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    There is only a slight chance Oden or Durant stays for another year. That's two.

    If you look at the very best teams, how many players come from them might depend on how far they go. A team winning it all and sticking together, like Florida last year, is rare, and even a deep run can convince guys to come out.

    Florida: Horford, Brewer, Noah
    UNC: Hansbrough, Wright, Lawson?
    UCLA: Collison?
    Kansas: Wright, Rush, Arthur
    Georgetown: Hibbert, Green

    Then add Al Thornton, Yi Jianlin, Acie Law, and you basically have a lottery right there, minus one or two players (Rush projected later, etc.). And that's not accounting for Tiago Splitter, Marcus Williams, and guys like Aaron Gray, who some team will take too high. And it doesn't account for Thaddeus Young, Javaris Crittendon, and other underclassmen who will probably stay in.

    That's pretty amazing. Unfortunately, the Spurs are about 8 picks out of making any real hay, but will make for an unusually intriguing draft.
    I think 8 players are lottery bound (Oden, Durant, B.Wright, J.Wright, Noah, Horford, Jianlian, Hawes) and 6 out of this 8 are likely also in the lottery (Law, Hibbert, Thornton, Brewer, T. Young, Splitter, J. Green, Budinger) always assuming all declare. (Budinger and T. Young might not declare, they have a nice chance to become a top 5 pick in 2008)
    on the lottery bubble I see Fernandez, Thabet, Hansbrough, McRoberts, M. Williams, N.Young, D.James, Belinelli. workouts will be crucial for them.
    one or two out of this group will for sure fall to our area.

    so the group of our 2 picks will be: Tucker, Affalo, Almond, B.Rush, Stuckey, J.Smith, G.Davis, Gray, Visser Fazekas, Dudley, McGuire, Hill, Nichols, Gasol, S.Williams. (and some more of course)

    IMO the most likely to slip out of group 2 are Splitter and Jeff Green. in the case of Green I agree with you, that we are about 8 picks out of the big hit. he is a great player, but I'm sure he will slip, if the Wolves don't pick him at 12. (before that pick, there are to many better players on the board). the following teams just don't need a player like him, next possible takers might be Heat at 18 and then Knicks at 20. if a miracle happens, he then falls to our hands. (very very unlikely, but if we had a no. 20 pick, he might be there)

    about Rush, who you mentioned several times. I think he is also one of the players who might slip, maybe even to our pick. he isn't a talent in the Julian Wright mold and most teams already have one or two players like him on their roster. I can easily see him slip to the end of 1st round.
    if he was there when we pick, he would be the perfect steal.
    (even if he might not be able to provide immediat help in the first year like Tucker, Almond or Nichols could)

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    I'm happy that we have an opportunity to get younger talent in this draft. Our bench is gettin older. We'l have alot of options. I'm hoping for an above average sf.

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    I guess Shakur won't be an option any more. (he was mentioned as a possible 2nd round pick, also by me).
    he still lacks a lot, especially in areas Pop usually is very demanding. (basketball IQ etc.)

    on the other hand I like the idea of picking Tucker with the first rounder more and more.
    he had a bad start yesterday, but worked his way back into the game and showed once again that he is Spurs material in terms of leadership and intangibles.
    and he easily makes up for the 2 inch he is to shorter than the average NBA SF.
    if Rush is gone, when the Spurs pick, Tucker would be my next wish player and the chance is there, that he will be on the board.
    IMO the worst case for him would be that he turns into a Trenton Hassell like player, what would be still a great asset to have on the bench.
    or he turns into a Desmond Mason with better understanding of the game.
    if he was 6-7 or 6-8, he would for sure be a top 15 pick. but at 6-5 we will have the chance that he falls to our hands.

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    Dominic McGuire is declaring for the draft this year.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1934

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    Sweet s, kids has a ton of up-side. By the way Body, have you watched Derrick Byars so far in the tourney? Kid is amazing

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    Sweet s, kids has a ton of up-side. By the way Body, have you watched Derrick Byars so far in the tourney? Kid is amazing
    I have. He may even slip into the second round, which would be fantastic. That Milwaukee pick could be aces.

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    If he keeps dropping 20 plus point games on everyone, I dont think he will be in the second, but that would be awesome

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    If he keeps dropping 20 plus point games on everyone, I dont think he will be in the second, but that would be awesome
    Probably not, but there will be Nick Young and Morris Almond and Alando Tucker, etc., all fighting for the same spots. He'll probably be late 1st round.

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    Byars line from Washington ST. game-27 points on 9-20 shooting(5-9 from 3s, 4-4 fts), 5 boards, 3 steals, 2 assists, and 1 block. Cant wait to see him in the silver and black

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    Given that people have started to speak about draft prospects in this thread, I've edited the first post to give some infos about this year draft.

    If you want that I add some infos in thsi post or if there are some mistakes, don't hesitate.

    Maybe a mod can too change the le of this thread because it's quite misleading now on the content of this thread.

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    Nicely done. That's some solid information.

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    Probably not, but there will be Nick Young and Morris Almond and Alando Tucker, etc., all fighting for the same spots. He'll probably be late 1st round.
    did you notice that currently something intriguing is happening, if all the mock rankings can be trusted. (i know that the mock isn't an exactly science)
    some of the interesting wing players, who we thought will likely be out of our range are slipping (Tucker, Marcus Williams), meanwhile some of the projected 2nd half 2nd rounders are rising (Dudely, Terry, Trey Johnson, Hosley).
    so it happens, that in the area where we have 2 picks, almost only wing players are ranked. what I try to say. if it in fact happens this way, the Spurs can pick from a quite impressive pool of decent talents.

    btw. does anybody have some information about this Wendell White, who just destroyed Tucker and Wisconsin?
    is he someone, who should be added to our list? at least it sounds as if he was the currently toughest player in college basketball.

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    The only thing predictable about a Spurs draft is that we will have 50 threads in here the next day ing and moaning about the picks they traded away instead of taking the "next" LeBron.

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    I think DX mentioned Wendell White in a 'Stock Rising' part. DX also has some good stuff on how the bottom of the round is filling with shooting guards and wings. A lot will depend on the Draft Camps, too, but there should be a log of good players still available at the end. With guys like Dominic McGuire coming in, it only helps us.

    The DX article is about how most of the American lottery picks almost always are in the Sweet Sixteen of the tournament, and even top 20 picks, too. I think they say only Al Thornton is rated that high who didn't make the NCAAs.

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    The only thing predictable about a Spurs draft is that we will have 50 threads in here the next day ing and moaning about the picks they traded away instead of taking the "next" LeBron.
    And if we ever pick a new Ginobili... In 2 years we will have hundreds of "I knew he would become a top player!!!" threads

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    And if we draft another Mahinmi... we'll get threads that go "what the is taking so long" about his young and inexperienced Euroleague games. What's the point?

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    yes, DX has some good writers, they are also covering the Euro basketball quite well.
    I think the article about the tournament (and how it sometimes leads to a wrong judgment of a player) is right, I'm just missing a point about the pressure and the crowd. if a player shows his best games in front of 30000 and more spectators in a one and done game, it does tell much about his big game abilities. at least you have an indication, that such a player won't be totally overexert with the pressure of a PO game.
    McGuire looks very intriguing.
    even if he didn't face the thoughest compe ion on college level, almost 10 RPG and 3.5 BPG (!) for a SF are quite impressive numbers. (numbers we would really need, especially the rebounding) sounds a bit like like Josh Smith.

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    The Spurs should just sign Randolph Morris right now, since he is eligible to sign with a team now and not have to enter the draft, but thats another topic I suppose....





    White averaged almost 15 points ands 6 boards in 27 minutes a game this last year. The thing with him is, for someone 6-6, he cant shoot the 3 (.067 ouch), and is a bad free throw shooter (67%). He plays more like a big than a guard, and that wont transfer well at the next level. He has tremendous heart and toughness. Good rebounder for his size, but not a great ball handler and will have trouble guarding fast guards at the next level. I would much rather have Byars, whos game will transfer much easier at the next level than White or Tucker.
    Last edited by mardigan; 03-20-2007 at 12:47 PM.

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    Don't know if you saw it already, but "Big Baby" Davis declared for this draft. I know some of the sites didn't include him in their mock drafts, so add some more depth to this draft...

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    The thing with him is, for someone 6-6, he cant shoot the 3 (.067 ouch), and is a bad free throw shooter (67%). He plays more like a big than a guard, and that wont transfer well at the next level.
    I thought Randolph Morris is a Center?

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    I thought Randolph Morris is a Center?
    He is, I was talking about White

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    BTW, Bulls second round pick isn't top51 protected but top53 protected. Ludden say it in his mailbag and espn too.
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....2f3c826b.html
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=2782886

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    BTW, Bulls second round pick isn't top51 protected but top53 protected. Ludden say it in his mailbag and espn too.
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....2f3c826b.html
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=2782886
    Damn. They'd have to catch Cleveland or Houston, both of which are 4 games up in the loss column. Not likely.

    Not like Portland (who wd get it instead) needs another 2nd rounder. Don't they have, like, 4-5?

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    I’d be surprised if Luis isn’t in the NBA next season. I can’t say whether it’s going to be with the Spurs, but I certainly wouldn’t rule it out, particularly if Robert Horry decides to retire.

    I asked one Spurs official the other day if signing Luis would be an option this summer. His response: "Absolutely."

    The buyout clause in Luis’ contract with Tau Ceramica – the same clause that made it next to impossible for the Spurs to sign him two summers ago – has dropped to a little more than $3 million.

    As a result, interest in Luis from other NBA teams picked up around the trade deadline. I expect there will be a few more queries this summer.
    Scola's saga : episode 532.
    These comments by Bruno in another thread caught my eye. Scola is being looked at hard and could be used as bait to trade up in this ever-deepening draft...

    BTW, I am not an advocate of trading away Scola....

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    I wouldnt want to trade him either, not a fan of trading players before you can see what they do

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    Scola is being looked at hard and could be used as bait to trade up in this ever-deepening draft...

    BTW, I am not an advocate of trading away Scola....
    Or he can be traded with expiring contracts to get a vet.

    Scola is having a very good year in europe and will likely be euroleague's MVP, his buyout isn't a concern anymore : his trade value will be at an all time high this summer.
    I'm not saying too that Spurs should trade him but why not, if an interested team make a good offer.

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