Yeah, so I see two things.
1. They are letting him figure things out himself rather than try to control him (the long-standing critique was that Pop was too controlling).
2. The other teams have figured out how to defend him with a physical small forward. Victor gets stripped all the time now dribbling. He doesn't really want to be a post player and doesn't have the strength for it.
To me, he gets his best points off team movement not isolation. But we'll see where this goes.
All I'm saying is that as inconvenient it can be, because PATFO's secrecy culture added to local medias inability or unwilligness to tell the public what's happening, there's a degree of agnosticism regarding the real strategy in place that should be kept in all our theories or analysis.
I also think, that this detail could help us exchange without considering a different pov as idiotic or unrealistic because they all have potentially legs.
That's not a strategy, that's a goal.
We're all aware of that but no one knows what has been decided, nor if they're on the same page.
- Wemby could be the pain in the ass using his leverage to impose his "strategy" despite PATFO'S tentative to convince him othewise.
- PATFO (Pop in particular) could be the one who convinced Wemby to change is timeline and go through a longer developmental process.
- Both parties could be just trying to find the right "strategy" and be as lost as they seem to be whatcng the team.
- There could also be an underrated level of incompetency that many fans have called for years. It's not absurd condidering every Cie/firm etc goes through that stage, it's very hard to keep the same level of competency with such a regular turnover at so many key positions for so many years.
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Def #2. Teams now have a year worth of tape to game plan. Add to that the team’s atrocious spacing, and yeah, why pull out your Center to guard Vic? My hope is that Vassell helps with the spacing
So long as Spurs are committed to playing the vet, our best line up is probably:
CP3, Vassell, Champ, Barnes, Wembs
I think they gave Wemby the green light to shoot unlimited 3s is because they realized that it is always an open shot for Wemby given his height.
Since it is a unblockable shot, as long as Wemby is conditioned enough and with good shooting form, he can knock it down at respectable rate.
Wemby just need to figure out the "happy middle (per Tony Parker)" between spamming 3s and playmaking for the team
I generally disagree with managing superstars by letting them do whatever they want. Not saying that what is what’s happening as none of us know what is happening, but this is more to address the speculations:
1) You are basically creating a monster. Bending over backwards for a superstar basically gives them free range to manage roster moves and even FO decisions. From Lebron to Giannis, Kawhi to embiid, nothing good ever happens when the superstar make FO calls. These are things best left to professionals.
2) Bending over backwards for people is t how to earn respect. Without a mutually respectful relationship, the team will never excel. It is either growing resentment from one or both sides, or the superstar refuse to listen to anything due to lack of respect. This would be a nightmare scenario in a supposedly symbiotic relationship.
3) the player will not be able to accept constructive criticisms for growth. Kawhi has not improved at all, and arguably regressed, since his last healthy season with the spurs. Lebrons greatest growth was when he was with the heat when Riley would tell him to piss off if need be (he did piss off to be fair).
A high maintenance superstar is rarely worth the effort. Jordan didn’t start winning rings until he got a coach he respected (Jackson), same with shaq, to be a FO that would cater to whatever the superstar wants is like a guy willingly being whipped by his girlfriend, it’s not a healthy relationship no matter how hot the girl is, and nothing good ever comes out of it.
That said, I still think it’s FO being clueless. I think wemby wants to learn, he wants to grow, he doesn’t mind being yelled at as long as it makes sense.
Agree with everything you just stated ambchang. And if this is the case of the FO just catering to Wemby's wants (which, like you say... we don't actually know - that's just the justification that certain posters have ascribed to the stupid approach they are taking), I wouldn't immediately assume that is something that Wemby has demanded, but rather a proactive approach the Spurs are taking because maybe they've felt burned by other players and they thing they have to do this. Which is just another way of agreeing with your assessment... the FO is just clueless.
A multi-billion dollar operation like the San Antonio Spurs is not one to go about making business decisions while being "clueless". WTF.
I get that this a forum for discussing all things about our favorite team but sometimes we just need to collectively pinch our ballsacks a little bit to wake up and re-acquaint ourselves to this fact.
The FO is doing whatever makes Victor happy. Keeping him entertained is better than losing him due to lack of compe iveness as a team.
I guess Castle is also not Wemby's cryptonite. It really does seem like if it's willing to play off the ball that he can have a ton of success. Now I missed most of the game, so I didn't get to see how the Kings were guarding him. But it certainly looked like they lacked the forward with size and defensive chops to replicate the game plan other teams have used successfully. It's WAY too early, but if the Spurs can make the play-in their chances of getting through might swing on whether the teams have a "Wemby counter" or have to play their center there.
There were a couple of possessions (and I’m talking a couple literally, like two) were Doug McDermott gave Wemby some trouble in the post but overall there was just a lot more energy and movement from Wemby tonight. He caught a couple buckets off of offensive rebounds which was nice as well. Tonight was a good balance of Wemby being more active on offense and finding himself in good positions to score. Shot a handful of threes that he shouldn’t have, but the 3pt shot selection was a lot better.
I noticed a new thing Wemby FINALLY does on offense, when a teammate starts his shooting he goes straight to rebound instead of waiting for the shot to fall as he used to.
He got 3 of his offensive rebounds that way today
As long as Wemby is hitting his outside shots, he can pull a dominant Center like Sabonis out and not play him at the post.
A thing that stands out in these last two games is that Vassell has a much better 2 man game with Wemby than Paul (bc of age). Vassell’s return and Steph’s rise, should also hopefully result in fewer minutes of Branham imitating the offense (which has been bad), with the latter anchoring the bench.
I think this is unique to SAC who is shockingly small outside of Sabonis. Still think most teams with the personnel will throw a smaller but stout defend at Wembs ala Brooks, Dort/JW, Grant, Washington, etc.
Wemby taking a hot wet on all the spurstalk amateur pundits who know as much about basketball as a door stop.
Why, because he hit his 3s this game? What happens when he goes 2/7 on the next game? Wemby shouldn't need the 3pt shot to fall to score points.
He was 6 for 9 against Utah.
If he keeps this up then that's just him finally hitting his groove, for which you and I should be happy, not sit and spin in trepidation.
Of course I would be happy if suddenly Wemby becomes an elite 3pt shooter, all I'm saying is that he has way easier ways to get his points. I'd like for him to take advantage of those instead of relying so much on a shot that he shoots at a below average level.
he needs to learn how to draw a foul to get to the freethrow line. 8 to 10 freethrow attempts a game should be good
What if he's gradually becoming an elite 3 point shooter? Obviously you and I do not know the answer to that, if we're talking long-term. But do you want him to stay away from what he is doing now and just eschew the progress he's made (so far)? I mean, there's literal proof of progress at this point.
Why not have Sochan and Castle each shoot ten 3s a game? What if they become elite 3 point shooters?
The guy’s a stick. I’d rather not see him getting clobbered every time. Now Castle yes. I see him baiting fouls and making a living at the ft line
Because Sochan and Castle don’t get open like Wemby does at 7’6
fukkit, GO FOR IT!!!
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