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I wonder if Scola+the Milwaukee pick could move the Spurs pick into the late teens.
I wonder what the Spurs will term "a good offer", because they have been fairly cautious in the past, so I don't see a deal getting done unless they can get something significant in return.
Also, while I agree that his value may be at an "all-time high" this summer, I think that's relative to what it's been at before (worth next to nothing). I still say that to establish any real value, he'll have to come overseas and prove it on this stage (something I'm confident in)....
Last edited by AFBlue; 03-20-2007 at 03:11 PM.
I wonder if Scola+the Milwaukee pick could move the Spurs pick into the late teens.
You know, the more I read about McGuire the more I think he would be a perfect fit for what we need, athletic enough to guard and play the 3, big and strong enough to match up against some 4s, he would be a pretty good fit
I've also been impressed with Reyshawn Terry's play in the tourney.
He is damn good, and a great defender, athletic as , I think the SPurs could have a good shot at him in the mid 2nd
Spurs wanted last year a first round pick for Scola, I don't see why they will ask for less this summer.
And if nobody is ready to give what Spurs want for Scola they can just sign him : there are no reasons to trade Scola for something that will help less Spurs than Scola himself. Ludden says in his mailbag that Spurs aren't against signing Scola.
Think we could get Big Baby in the late 20's?
I think Big Baby will definately be there late in the 1st, although Im really not sure how good of a fit he would be
Think he might last until the second round as there are plenty of skilled PFs in this draft without "weight" issues. I also think that the Spurs have filled their quota for out-of-shape big in Jackie Butler. I think he'll be a good asset to another team, but I doubt he's wearing silver and black next year...
Last year it didn't work because the Spurs didn't already have a first rounder or even a decent second rounder to work with. This year, Scola is coming off an MVP calibur season, putting up great numbers, has a reasonable buyout, and the Spurs can use one of their picks along with Scola to gain in this draft....I think it's more possible than ever.
I love the last thing you quoted though. It makes it seem like the Spurs FO is actually impressed and anxious to see what Scola could bring to the table. I still think it's best for the Spurs to bring him over, especially when the draft is deep enough to get some possible key future pieces without having to trade up...
This is our man,SEC player of the year, WHAT!
Last edited by mardigan; 03-21-2007 at 11:04 AM.
Good take.
Did the Spurs want a pure first round pick for Scola, or to trade up/trade a future pick for him? I'm not sure they could get a first round straight up for him, but probably could trade up. If we could get someone like Corey Brewer, I'd absolutely give up Luis Scola for him.
An extract of an article from last July :
I don't think Spurs will only try to trade Scola for a first round pick but they have decided that his value for Spurs was a first round pick. That is to say :
- They won't trade him for a second round.
- They won't package with their first round pick for a trade like 28th + Scola for 25th. If they use Scola to move up, it's to get a mid first round pick.
- They won't trade him for a marginal vet whose trade value is a couple of second round picks.
And as I said before Spurs aren't at all in a weakness situation: if no team is ready to give what Spurs wants for Scola, Spurs can just sign him. Spurs would be in a weaker situation if they weren't ready at all to give a contract to Scola and Ludden says it's not the case.
Well last year the Spurs only had a late second rounder, so that means the Spurs had little to bargain with if the first round team didn't want to sacrafice a first rounder (the 57th pick is hardly a consellation prize). I agree with Bruno that the Spurs will clearly not "give" a player away (as we saw with the Spurs retaining Butler/Beno at the deadline instead of dealing for scraps), so I think Scola is only packaged if it is to get into the teens...maybe lottery.
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I fear there are some wrong assumptions regarding the Scola situation going around.
it was not the buyout in the first place, that hindered the Scola signing last summer.
the information was, that the buyout would have been 3.5 million and Scola's agent had negotiated a deferred payment for 3 years.
the other information was, that Scola was demanding a 3 years 9-10 million $ contract, which the Spurs just didn't want to give.
so, even if the buyout is further reduced, does anyone see that Scola reduces his asking price? why should he?
as it was mentioned, he is playing better than ever in the Euroleague this year (despite being injured in the first weeks).
his best comparison (Garbajosa) is doing quite well for a rookie and there has never been a doubt that Scola's potential is higher. (and Scola is almost 3 years younger). Garbajosa got more than Scola was asking and I didn't hear Colangelo being criticized for giving him that contract lately.
(btw. Scola is currently making 1.9 million $ after taxes + bonuses and it was reported, that he would get quite more if he stayed with Tau)
anyhow.
we learned that Luis is a proud man, sometimes quite quick-tempered and for sure not devoted and thankfull that someone from NBA is just talking to him.
whatever happened in fact last summer (we will never know), fact is that Scola was more than just upset about the Spurs organisation and that he really really hates RC. (calling him almost every spanish cussword in an interview that is banned from board)
so a lot does have to change, if they want to ever get back on the table.
I do hope that Manu and especially Oberto (who is highly respected by his Argentinian teammates and a friend of Scola) will help to cool down the situation and convince Scola that the Spurs do have a great team and a great coach, but just a nearsighted bookkeeper.
for sure the Spurs would have to do the first step, if they really plan to try again to sign him. this "wait for our call because you are plan C or D, if A and B fail", or the position: "we own your rights, so we just offer you half of what other teams would give you" will lead to the same result like last summer.
like it or not, this is the going-in position. the buy-out is just a minor matter in this regard.
if Spurs really want to get him, show him the money. he was just asking for half of what the average salary of a NBA player is.
that's not exactly greedy, as some on this board are constantly repeating.
(the "prove yourself first" hardliners)
every signing is a risk for a team. about Scola one thing can be assumed for sure: he won't show up out of shape and he will work his ass off every second he is playing.
conclusion: I would still love to see Scola with this team and do hope the situation can be solved somehow. if the positions are to far apart, they should of course try to trade his rights, but not for future picks or a better pick this year (I think this wouldn't get the value back), they should use it to sweeten a package in a trade scenario. in this years draft teams will be very cautious to trade their picks, so a trade for a player looks more promissing IMO.
Bulls come to mind once again. they for sure won't offer their pick, even if it doesn't look as valueable as at the start of the season.
but they might think of trading a player. Sefolosha, Khryapa and Duhon would be great options for us.
Rumors say that they are anything but happy with Tyrus. (not because of his play, but because of his behavior. he is describet as angry, defiant, condescending and arrogant). so Tyrus would be not exactly the charakter Spurs usually look for.
the other team might be the Nets. but they won't do anything till they have learned what Carter is going to do. Antoine Wright would be a player the Spurs could really use.
Last edited by mountainballer; 03-21-2007 at 04:22 AM.
Looks like Dukie Josh McRoberts, the highly celebrated but underacheiving forward, will be in the 2007 draft. Intriguing tools, but aggravating inconsistency. I think he'll illicit Charlie Villaunueva comparisons (not at ude, but lack of consistency) and will still go in the mid-first. It doesn't directly affect the Spurs draft, but another name in the hat is always good...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=2808295
Fro what Ive heard a lot of GMs think he will do better in the pro style game. I personally think he sucks and have always thought he sucked, but your right, the more guys that declare, the better our chances are of getting a player that can immediately contribute
No way the Spurs could get Tyrus Thomas for Scola. There was an article a couple of days ago about the Bulls starting TT in place of PJ. I dont think they are that down on him if they are(have?) given him the starting job. IMO getting Sefelosha is probably little more likely than getting TT. Khrypa & Duhon would seem like a good package for Scola & say Beno. Not sure if the Spurs would pull the trigger, but that seems like a more reasonable package for Scola. I also dont think that Scola would bring a lottery pick, maybe the late teens early 20's, but I think a lottery pick is a bit much for Scola.
Bulls are keeping all of their guys until they can make a run this summer at a guy like Pau Gasol, Jermaine O'Neal, or Kevin Garnett. They didn't pull the trigger on a deal before the deadline under a "pressure-cooker" situation because they knew they could probably get the best deal in the off-season. The Bulls have enough assets to deal for one of the aformentioned three without giving up Deng....if they do, count on Sefolosha and/or Thomas being a part of that.
But packaging Scola plus our 1st this year could definately move us up into the mid teens
Even though a "Spurs source" (which is better than pure speculation) said they fielded calls about Scola around the deadline and that the chatter would get louder around draft day, I think he's flying under the radar right now and it's really tough to say what his value will be to other teams.
My guess is that some teams who haven't paid much attention wouldn't even offer a second rounder, while others with an eye on Euroleague and a need at the position might be willing to give up close to what you're thinking. Let's just hope for the Spurs FO sake, if they are able to trade up to the lottery or late teens they can grab a real difference-maker (Brewer/Green/Thornton).
I still have my doubts, but as we get closer to the draft I might change my mind.
That would be throwing Scola away, IMO. Better sign Scola than give him for sub-starters like those.
Looking at the projected draft order, picks #15, 16, 17 & 18 all belong to teams with a bunch of young guys already. They would probably be looking for some type of vet or experienced player in return. Right now those picks belong to Atlanta, NJ, Golden State & the Sixers. All of those teams would make good trading partners IMO, 3 teams are in the east & Nelly with the Warriors would deal with Pop. I dont know if Scola plus Beno plus our first rounder could get us that high, but that should be somewhere around his trade value. If Scola cant move us up 8 to 10 spots in the draft, then I say keep him & try to package him for a package like the afformentioned Khrypa & Duhon.
Agreed.
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