If it were an American brand everyone would be piling on saying how much they suck. Now we finally see that Toyota doesn't make these dream machines that people have thought and nobody seems to care. People always backed Toyota as if they were the greatest cars around while looking down on American makers, yet Toyota has one of the largest recalls ever and nobody discusses it. Toyota a) avoided even talking about the situation even though people's lives were at risk, b) they had to stop selling these faulty cars because our government had to force them to stop selling, otherwise they would still be selling them. If this were Ford or GM people would be dancing on their graves
I guess because they don't have as long a track-record of putting out death-traps and lemons like we do? Also, it may have to do with the fact that their reputation comes from the fact that their cars run forever, not necessarily from their safety. Anyway, to answer your question, I don't know.
some truth to what you say. But truth is, a toyota that has 1% chance of killing you is still >>>> an american POS car
btw, I hate toyota. them. I will buy german till I die
this is what I'm saying:
Toyota may have a track record, but they currently can't sell 8 models because their gas pedals stick and can kill people. Toyota has no idea why or how to fix the problem- instead they dodge away from answering questions, and when they finally do, they blame it on floormats. Yet people still cite Toyota's track record.
Chevrolet and Ford, may not have the best track records, but their current models are both safe and often rated higher than comparable Toyota models. Yet Americans won't even consider them because they trust Toyota more. Why? They are often regarded as pieces of junk even though they are rated higher or comparable in most categories including value and safety
If you live your whole life as a saint, and murder one person, you can't call yourself a saint anymore.
That's what having a good reputation will do for you. Toyota has a good one, the domestic automakers have a bad one. Deal with it.
I have a good reputation in my town, but if I get convicted of robbing a bank tomorrow I lose my reputation.
wrong again. Toyota's reputation is ty for the last few years. It's Japanese car reputation vs. American car reputation.
Talk about pieces of -- especially over the last decade.
To the OP -- your premise is wrong.
This recall is a very big deal and a black eye on Toyota (for the time being).
Where are you getting your info. This is all over! It's all a lot of people can talk about, and now the new model Prius brakes aren't working just reported late yesterday. Not only that, but the recall was only for Toyota models. The catalyst for this recall (a 911 call from a car that was speeding out of control due to this issue which ended in a crash and the death of the 4 occupants) was in a Lexus. They haven't announced the Lexus recall, but I predict they will have to soon. It is just getting worse for them.
American car companies are taking advantage of this, did you see the sales figures and market share numbers for January? GM increased their market share a little, Ford is the #2 automaker in America again (at least for the month) by substantially increasing their market share. In addition these companies are offering incentives to customers with Toyotas to come buy their cars. (GM is offering 1k, I don't know what Ford is offering, but read in an article that they would be doing this too).
CNN had a big report on it while I was getting dressed this morning
Honda has said that they are worried because they feel people will group all of the Japanese auto makers together.
Transportation secretary said in a confrontational tone that this isn't over with.
This is being talked about.
been buying german for years. no problems. can't say the same about japanese/american
well I guess I don't see as much talk about it as I would assume there would be for an American company, though I have no way of estimating that
What do you mean it's not a big deal?
It isn't to me because I don't own a Toyota, but my father in law does, and we're keeping tabs on it because of that.
The increases in market share Toyota has made over the last few years suggest otherwise.
And if all you do is run a stop sign then your reputation remains intact. Over the next few months we'll see what the consumers have to say about how big a hit Toyota's reputation takes. They're the only ones whose opinion matters.
so the complete collapse of the american auto industry had nothing to do with that huh?
Ford is alive and well.
Robbing a bank is a good comparison since this is one of the largest recalls in history. If you had a good rep, good person, lots of volunteering in the community, etc. You would still have a tarnished rep, but would likely get closer to the minimum sentence than someone who robs banks ever 2 years. American cars are most definitely of great quality now, but there has to be some time that passes before the public can trust them again and say "they have a good reputation."
I think Toyota falls hard on this one (still goes to jail), but not as hard as an american company would if they did the same thing (goes to jail for much longer).
So Toyota capturing more and more market share had nothing to do with the collapse of the American auto industry huh?
Bingo.
That's natural though. Part of the pride in your country being better than everybody else is to hold it to a higher standard.
Or should be...
that's fair. I guess I just see people slamming the American makers even when they are turning out good products, and making excuses for Toyota when our government has to step in because their cars are not safe to sell.
It's kind of a big deal (media-wise) lately. How did you reach the conclusion that nobody cares?
Ummm. no.
BTW...the problems with this recall stem from Toyota capturing more and more market share. Their drive to be number one had them really reaching. When you're cranking cars out faster than you can safely make them, you get little ups like this.
aren't most toyotas built in the US now ?
Depends upon the definition of built. Assembled? Probably. Built, I doubt it. It seems to be a damned hard stat to pin down.
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