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Spurs Fans in the alternate universe where we never got Richard Jefferson: Pop and the front office for not trading to improve the team. There is a guy called Richard Jefferson and he is really good with the Bucks. Why didn't we trade for him?
Ever think about what this past season would of been like instead? Who we would of gotten instead or what moves would of been made. Also, we'd probably have more money to work with this summer to for sure go after a decent role player.
Spurs Fans in the alternate universe where we never got Richard Jefferson: Pop and the front office for not trading to improve the team. There is a guy called Richard Jefferson and he is really good with the Bucks. Why didn't we trade for him?
If only we could have hindsight prior to making decisions in lfe. We would probably have more money and if Hairston and Ian got more PT then maybe be in a better position going into next year.
Speaking of hindsight and drafting players then the Spurs could have had the following or combos there of:
1997 - Who the did the Spurs draft that year?
1998 - Felipe Lopez at 24 then traded away - available Al Harrington / Nazr
1999 - keep this one - it's Manu and we didn't have a 1st round pick
2000 - Cheis Carrawell at 41 - available Michael Redd !!!!
2001 - keep this one - it's TP
2002 - John Salmons but traded it away - available Carlos Boozer/ Roger Mason! / Matt Barnes/ Rasul Butler and the Spurs drafted Scola at 55
2003 - Drafted Barbosa and then traded it to the Suns - available Josh Howard (next pick to Mavs) or the following Kapono / Walton / Steve Blake / Bogans! / Bonner! / Mo Williams / Kyle Korver
2004 - Beno at 26 - available Varejao (talk about the proto type Spur - he would have been great on the team) / Chris Duhon
2005 - Ian - available David Lee / Brandon Bass / CJ Miles / Ronny Turiaf / Monta Ellis / Ryan Gomes / Gortat / Amir Johnson (Spurs were high on this kid at the time)
2006 - no 1st round pick and drafted Damir Markota art 59
2007 - Splitter - keep it - Marcus Williams at 33 - available Glen Davis / Marc Gasol and the Spurs drafted Giorgos Printezis at 58
2008 - George HIll at 26 and drafted Goran Dragic ar 45 for the Suns and got the 37th in 2008 which was Blair and drafted James Gist at 57
2009 - traded 1st pick and drafted Blair at 37 Jack McClinton at 51 and Nando De Colo at 53
The list isn't a complete one. Far from it but I picked some of the highlights. And I don't remember all the traded away #1s and what came back to the Spurs in return. One of the #1s was for Kurt Thomas'09) IIRC which didn't turn out the way many thought it would at the time. But I do remember that the Barbosa trade did lead to getting Nazr ehich ended with a ring in the '05 season so that one turned out very good. And just looking at the list alot of talent slipped through. But that should be said for all teams.
Imagine having Redd in 2000, Varejao in '04. David Lee in '05. Or just a couple of them since they might not have fit into the Spurs or the Spurs would have to move existing players to bring them in.
That would be an interesting layout: If the Spurs could go back and redo all trades and draft picks what kind of team would they have assembled?
The aim of that trade was to improve the SF position and I don't think there were many other options available at that time, because
1. I don't think Carter or Artest could fit in here as well.
2. There weren't that many re-buidling teams at that time, to which Spurs expiring contracts are attractive.
Jefferson actually hasn't been bad on offense. His drop in scoring is about what you would expect when someone goes from being a first option to being a fourth or fifth option. The defense hasn't quite been what I hoped, but it's been a while since he played the kind of defense that he did with Kidd and Martin. I think the Spurs got about what they should have expected from a new SF on the team. The only knock is that he is grotesquely overpaid.
Are you serious? The Spurs were expecting the production of an average starting small forward, at the least. They weren't expecting a slight upgrade from Michael Finley. Face it, Michael Finley would have given the Spurs more against the Suns than Jefferson did.
Apparently you haven't been following the playoffs. Hopefully Finley gets a chance to do something against Orlando, but he hasn't contributed so far for Boston. Maybe you're forgetting that RJ put up 9.8 points and 6.8 rebounds per game against the Suns? RJ is not LeBron, Carmelo, or KD but he is an above average starting small forward. I don't know what you expect from a guy who is your teams fourth or fifth option, but you should look around at the fourth and fifth options on other teams to see if it's realistic.
Jefferson was the weak link in the Spurs starting line-up against the Suns. They essentially left him wide open and RJ couldn't make them pay. The Spurs were playing 4 on 5 on offense. RJ's lack of ability to hit an open J or get to the rim essentially took away George Hill's open looks. The Suns were allowed to play a weak-side zone which made it easy to guard Jefferson and Hill with one player. There was absolutely no spacing with RJ standing 3 feet inside the 3 pt line. Finley's shooting ability alone would have forced the Suns to close out on him, resulting in more room for George Hill to operate. I'm not saying Finley is a great player. I'm saying that he would have been more affective against the Suns defense.
For the record, the last time the Spurs and the Suns met in the playoffs (2008), Finley averaged 7.0 ppg on .433 shooting. Finley has gotten older since then, and the Suns have gotten better on defense. But don't let me throw a wet blanket on your Jefferson hate.
If only we could have hindsight prior to making decisions in lfe. We would probably have more money and if Hairston and Ian got more PT then maybe be in a better position going into next year.
Speaking of hindsight and drafting players then the Spurs could have had the following or combos there of:
1997 - Who the did the Spurs draft that year?
1998 - Felipe Lopez at 24 then traded away - available Al Harrington / Nazr
1999 - keep this one - it's Manu and we didn't have a 1st round pick
2000 - Cheis Carrawell at 41 - available Michael Redd !!!!
2001 - keep this one - it's TP
2002 - John Salmons but traded it away - available Carlos Boozer/ Roger Mason! / Matt Barnes/ Rasul Butler and the Spurs drafted Scola at 55
2003 - Drafted Barbosa and then traded it to the Suns - available Josh Howard (next pick to Mavs) or the following Kapono / Walton / Steve Blake / Bogans! / Bonner! / Mo Williams / Kyle Korver
2004 - Beno at 26 - available Varejao (talk about the proto type Spur - he would have been great on the team) / Chris Duhon
2005 - Ian - available David Lee / Brandon Bass / CJ Miles / Ronny Turiaf / Monta Ellis / Ryan Gomes / Gortat / Amir Johnson (Spurs were high on this kid at the time)
2006 - no 1st round pick and drafted Damir Markota art 59
2007 - Splitter - keep it - Marcus Williams at 33 - available Glen Davis / Marc Gasol and the Spurs drafted Giorgos Printezis at 58
2008 - George HIll at 26 and drafted Goran Dragic ar 45 for the Suns and got the 37th in 2008 which was Blair and drafted James Gist at 57
2009 - traded 1st pick and drafted Blair at 37 Jack McClinton at 51 and Nando De Colo at 53
The list isn't a complete one. Far from it but I picked some of the highlights. And I don't remember all the traded away #1s and what came back to the Spurs in return. One of the #1s was for Kurt Thomas'09) IIRC which didn't turn out the way many thought it would at the time. But I do remember that the Barbosa trade did lead to getting Nazr ehich ended with a ring in the '05 season so that one turned out very good. And just looking at the list alot of talent slipped through. But that should be said for all teams.
Imagine having Redd in 2000, Varejao in '04. David Lee in '05. Or just a couple of them since they might not have fit into the Spurs or the Spurs would have to move existing players to bring them in.
That would be an interesting layout: If the Spurs could go back and redo all trades and draft picks what kind of team would they have assembled?
As much as I hate to agree, because I couldn't stand the sight of Finley on the Spurs, I have to admit that your point is a good one. I will offer this caveat. Finley certainly would've taken the open 3 shots that RJ did not. Whether or not they went down for him would've depended on whether he was on a roll or in one of his infamous shooting slumps. We all know Fin was a streaky, streaky shooter, but did manage to hit some key shots for the Spurs during his tenure.
This is the whole point. Jefferson's numbers aren't much better than a 2008 Finley. Jefferson was wide open the entire series and managed to score 2.8 more points, while playing more minutes and shooting a lower percentage. RJ is NOT an average starting small forward. That is not hate, it is the truth. A 37 year old Grant Hill would have relegated Jefferson to the bench.
This is why I don't like revisiting history.
Let say we draft Redd... so we don't need Ginobili and trade him? Or we can't afford to give him a 10M$ contract? Or we just can't re-sign him or Parker and have to deal with Beno as starting PG? Too many questions...
I dont fault the FO for going after RJ. I think at the time it was a great move and it could still work out.
Agreed and it usually brings up more questions than answers but can be fun if you don't take it too seriously. Who knows what the FO would have done with the Redd/Manu situation. Do they trade Redd or even Manu since they believe that they are clones and therefore redundent? If so who gets traded and for what? blah...blah...blah... endless scenarios.
Sjax
Hairston is no savior and will not even be on the team next year. Hairston's offense makes RJ look like Wade. With or without RJ the Spurs do no better because Pop will still go small too often.
finley would have stayed and the spurs would have not made the playoffs
hard to prove but this is the truff here.
haha joke, couldn't help it...
BS, there's nothing but cheap skates on this board. Once they saw the 15 mil for 2 years, it would be another NO response.
Last edited by 4>0rings; 05-15-2010 at 09:12 PM.
Really? You should probably take a look at this thread.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124681
There's a whole faction of fans that says each year that we should gut the roster and bring in a bunch of all-stars that would never want to be here.
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