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Some details are kinda scarce on it.
Kinda a waste to discuss since it has no chance of passing at this moment.
Haven't seen any mention of it on here.
Do the board liberals support it?
Some details are kinda scarce on it.
Kinda a waste to discuss since it has no chance of passing at this moment.
All the ST socialists support it. Don't expect any of them to come here saying they don't support it, tbh.
It will get to universal care eventually. It will become a matter of global compe iveness.
Bernie just grandstanding tbh, proposing a bill with no chance to go anywhere
This....there's no point in talking about it when he's only doing it to try and make a point.
Pavlov is right though, one way or the other, the country will get to universal healthcare.
Explain your laughter.
Why are you laughing at it? Use your words.
"country will get to universal healthcare"
nope.
Look at how BigPharma, BigInsurance screwed up ACA so they got paid.
They are all much more wealthier, so more powerful now, have captured more politicians and more of the regulatory agencies more deeply.
Look at how Repugs in MI just voted NO LIMITS on political corruption. I figure other red/slave states will follow MI's example
Last edited by boutons_deux; 09-24-2017 at 09:27 PM.
true. and since the Sanders camp says it isn't a litmus test for 2020 candidates I guess it's nothing to talk about.
Nina Turner, president of Our Revolution, a group launched by Sanders after his presidential bid, rejected the idea that support for Medicare for all is a “litmus test” but emphasized that a candidate’s support for single payer will be crucial in earning the group’s backing.
“I don’t want to frame it as a litmus test. It’s a value proposition: Either you value the lives of the American people or you don’t,” she said.
See...not a litmus test
So how are you going to get American doctors, physician assistants, therapists, nurses, technicians, etc to accept less than they make now to reach that global compe iveness? How much will a brain surgeon get paid? Will you change the legal system so that they cannot be sued? Will you lower medical school and college tuitions so that the health care professionals aren't saddled with massive debt and forgive the medical school debt that's already out there? Or are we going to lower standards - no more Doctorates for physical therapists/pharmacists or PHDs for audiologists?
Are you for $15 minimum wage? If so, how do you reconcile $15 burger flippers with pay for medical professionals who have to study for up to 14 years to practice and still maintain global compe iveness? How do you convince bright students to go into medicine for so many years but so little pay when they could go into CS for only 4 years and work for Google starting at $112k?
Expect lots of resistance from the medical, legal, educational and all supporting industries - good luck.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres...205254557.html
I do expect a lot of resistance from a lot of interests that want to raise the costs of health care as much as possible. I didn't say it was going to happen soon.
Do you think single payer is a winning issue in 2020?
Nope. You keep beating that straw man tho. Keep hope for this current Republican dream alive.
It's not a choice under capitalism. That's what compe iveness is all about.
See: manufacturing industry, IT offshoring, medical tourism, telemedicine, etc.
I wouldn't worry about 'Our Revolution'. It's much more likely they're going to get outspent a million times over by pharma/medical services companies.true. and since the Sanders camp says it isn't a litmus test for 2020 candidates I guess it's nothing to talk about.
Nina Turner, president of Our Revolution, a group launched by Sanders after his presidential bid, rejected the idea that support for Medicare for all is a “litmus test” but emphasized that a candidate’s support for single payer will be crucial in earning the group’s backing.
“I don’t want to frame it as a litmus test. It’s a value proposition: Either you value the lives of the American people or you don’t,” she said.
See...not a litmus test
Current # Of ST liberals coming out against medicare style health care: 0
Modern liberals are collectivists.
just about the same amount of conservative ideas for reforming healthcare, tbh...
So are the interests that want to keep medical costs as high as they can.
I've always been for single-payer... not sure about this particular system, since there's not a lot of details...
I don't even think it's a left-right issue... maybe only in America... plenty of conservative countries that have universal healthcare systems, tbh...
This.
I also read there were no guarantees that people would even buy into it. It would have a large dose of unknowns that could shake confidence enough so that even if it might work it would not get a chance as the "activation energy" required to get it going would be way high. People would have to be confident to join and this would have to snowball.
Ahhh...
They have not had enough time.
Allegedly.
No excuses on this point.
Never ever got their together. A rhyme.
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