Amateur: Spurs fans think Manu Ginobili is a top 30 all-time player

[JohnnyMax]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=275496

[DAF86]

He isn't a Top 30 player of all time tbh. Top 30 most influential? Definitely. At least Top 50 of all time, however.

I don't think this should be a problem. I think after 15 or so, I don't really care about ranking total players. Manu was great, obviously, but where he stacks up against guys from all era? No idea. So long as he makes the HoF in the first three ballots, I don't really care.

I also think you can argue that Parker has a better resume than Manu does, especially if you skew it toward NBA accomplishments. I would rather have Manu at any stage of his career than Tony at that same stage of his career, but Tony certainly gets underrated by Spurs fans nowadays.

Unless you go analyzing player by player, it is impossible to know who ranks where outside the top 15/20 players ever. Manu must be top 50, top 40 for sure though. That "top 75 at best" is pure ignorance.

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Pretty spot on

Love Manu but he's not top 30 NBA players (if not including international play).

Only long-term Spurs that are Top 30 all time are Tim, David and Ice. LMA and Kawhi have outside chances if you factor in their work for other teams. (obviously in KL's case it remains to seen how he does on other teams). And obviously there are some greats that had short stays here (Moses, Dominique, Rodman etc)

On every fan forum players get ranked far higher than they are going to be historically ranked. Manu isn't a top 30 player all time. Not sure he cracks the top 50.

Of course he wasn’t.

Not a single Spur fan saying he is top 30 for sure.

[CitizenDwayne]

Nope. Top 75 imo

[LkrFan]

[Daddy Long Dik]

They are high son

[Bynumite]

Top 30 bench player for sure.

[Stabula]

Better than Kobe

[Spurtacular]

Better than Kobe

[Bynumite]

Better than Kobe

Said no one outside Fat Antonio.

[namlook]

He's in the top 80-100 range.

[Stabula]

Said no one outside Fat Antonio.

You've always given me a vibe that you, yourself, were quite fat.

[lefty20]

Well yeah. The GOAT, by definition, would be included in any Top 30 list, tbh.

[Mitch]

Top 30 SG, maybe

[Chucho]

LOLaker fans think Kobe wasnt the greatest Beta of all time. They hate the greatest second fiddle ever.

[Stabula]

Prime Shaq and Pippen instead of Bryant would have stayed together and had even more rings tbh.

[ambchang]

Hard to say manu was top 50 all time you take the top 50 players from 1996, then add, since then:
Duncan
Iverson
Garnett
Kobe
Lebron
Durant
Harden
Curry
Ray Allen
Reggie miller
Nique
Carter
Wade
Dirk
MVPau
Howard
Nash

Even guys like
Unibrow
Yao
Paul George
Melo
Mutombo

Hard to say manu is better than 15 of those players from and accomplishment perspective. Manu May be a “better player” overall than many of them but from and accomplishment perspective manu wasn’t that awe inspiring.

Top 30 is at least the level of a Stockton or Ewing and manu isn’t in that realm.

[HWoodNixon]

Hard to say manu was top 50 all time you take the top 50 players from 1996, then add, since then:
Duncan
Iverson
Garnett
Kobe
Lebron
Durant
Harden
Curry
Ray Allen
Reggie miller
Nique
Carter
Wade
Dirk
MVPau
Howard
Nash

Even guys like
Unibrow
Yao
Paul George
Melo
Mutombo

Hard to say manu is better than 15 of those players from and accomplishment perspective. Manu May be a “better player” overall than many of them but from and accomplishment perspective manu wasn’t that awe inspiring.

Top 30 is at least the level of a Stockton or Ewing and manu isn’t in that realm.

manu accomplished more than Stockton and Ewing.

[ambchang]

manu accomplished more than Stockton and Ewing.

How so?

[HWoodNixon]

4 rings, arguably a 2005 finals MVP, Olympic gold/ Olympic upset of USA team, highest +/- stat second to Lebron and TD,intro of eurostep. Ask anyone off the street if they'd prefer Stockton or Ewing's career over Manu's

[Chris Fall]

Lol “arguably” 2005 Finals MVP

The Finals MVP is a real, tangible thing. It’s not an opinion. You either win it or don’t win it.

Arguably???

[Killakobe81]

Hard to say manu was top 50 all time you take the top 50 players from 1996, then add, since then:
Duncan
Iverson
Garnett
Kobe
Lebron
Durant
Harden
Curry
Ray Allen
Reggie miller
Nique
Carter
Wade
Dirk
MVPau
Howard
Nash

Even guys like
Unibrow
Yao
Paul George
Melo
Mutombo

Hard to say manu is better than 15 of those players from and accomplishment perspective. Manu May be a “better player” overall than many of them but from and accomplishment perspective manu wasn’t that awe inspiring.

Top 30 is at least the level of a Stockton or Ewing and manu isn’t in that realm.

Amb with some healthy perspective.
Manu has NOT accomplished more than Reggie Miller or Dominique.
But a case can be made he impacted the game and winning even more than those guys an dthe proof was his fingerprints all over many of the Spurs le runs.

However, joining a team that just won a le is different than say Reggie Miler.
who was booed on draft day and carried a franchiise that had not won since the ABA to the NBA Finals or to ECF vs MJ.
HE never rang like manu so Manu has the edge there, but Reggie was the main cog on a Finals team and carried his franchise for years.

Manu was the better all around player but miller carried his eam more than Manu was ever asked to.

[superbigtime]

I'd take Manu over Reggie Miller any day of the week. lol Reggie Miller. cmon

[Killakobe81]

I'd take Manu over Reggie Miller any day of the week. lol Reggie Miller. cmon

I agree. I said that.
But in the NBA, Reggie accomplished more as an individual.
Remember les and team win% are team accomplishments...right?!
Or at least that is what I was told when it was convenient.

I would take manu, agreed ...but reggie accomplished more.
Replace Reggie with Manu Ducan probably still wins at least 4 of those 5 les (save 2005) but man Reggie and Tim would also be deadly

[TimmyBuckets]

He sacrificed stats, but if not, he could've been a top 30-20 type player.

[Killakobe81]

or flip it. give Regie miller a season with eitherLarry Brown or chuck Daly as HC and Prime Tim Duncan do you think he wins some les?