Yahoo: Spurs front-runners in race for Maggette

[angelbelow]

If we give Maggette the MLE we could only give Barry the LLE for 1.8m

i dont really want to give barry the 1.8, hoefully he'll settle for something less.

[T Park]

offering the full MLE to Diop?

:lmao

MAYBE

MAYBE

the LLE

and even then I would doubt it.

[SenorSpur]

I'm not so sure I'd want a guy here if his deciding factor was having his choice in jersey number. :lol

Anyway, my opinion of Maggette is the same now as last time they went after him ... he's a balla ... can score, rebound and get to the line. His ability to get to the line and rebound are huge reasons the Spurs should want him. He's a big time china doll too though - you can count on him to miss about 15 games a year. But for the MLE, you can't pass him up.

..and these are part of that skill-set that makes him such a perfect fit for this team. I've been on board with, and have touted, this acquisition for over a year now. I'm hopeful that this is more than just idle rumor.

I'm cautiously optimistic at this point, knowing the Warriors, Magic or some other team could swoop in and mess everything up. Still, I'm glad to see that the Spurs targeted this guy as their 1st option in free agency. Reel his ass in!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol
Strong scorer who knows how to get to the line.

Wishful thinking, but it would be a long-shot T7OLaNA16cA

[montgod]

Shit, bring him back with that and use the LLE elsewhere.

Quick roster head count

Parker/Hill/Vaughn
Maggette/Ginobli/Hairston
Bowen/Udoka/
Duncan/Mahinmi/Bonner
Thomas/Oberto

That's 13, as you can see. Barry plus an LLE or Beno Trade Exception Player are still possible.

I can see Barry, Thomas, Finley, and Horry returning.

Parker/Hill/Vaughn
Maggette/Ginobli/Barry
Bowen/Udoka/Finley
Duncan/Horry/Ian
THomas/Oberto/Bonner

Sorry... how often do one of the Spurs second round picks make a roster.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

lol true, he couldnt get playing time on a fair washington front line.

He was also hurt for 3/4 of the season.

[George Gervin's Afro]

this just isn't our MO.. Did we (wink,wink) tell him we have substantial cap space next year?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Can Houston fuck off?

Yes. That would be nice...

[Biggems]

I don't understand this fixation with Pecherov, he's garbage.

he has 3pt range and a decent jump shot. he is young. he is cheaper than Bonner. IMO, a quality option as our 6th big off the bench. He is better than O'Bryant. I would prefer Javtokas....but after everyone else I have on that roster, we wouldn't have the funds to bring him over.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Barry is a risk because of injuries. Finley seems more durable (since being Spurs), and either way I think they would resign Finley. He'd be cheaper to sign than Barry at this point.

Pop went to Udoka and Barry as the LA series wore on and played Finley less and less. And Finley started out as one of Pop's favorite vets.

For him to bench Finley's scrub ass, you have to think he has fallen out of favor of sorts. Push comes to shove, I think Barry is back, Fin is gone (plus Barry can give spot minutes at PG if need be, Finley's just around as a chucker).

[clubalien]

Exactly what I was thinking. A million less might actually go twice as far here.

also since this is a odd year we will go deep in playoffs more games means playoff bonus money

[TheMadHatter]

So Yahoo Sports is now a legit source? C'mon now.....they've had their fair share of inaccuracies.

I don't expect Maggette to sign ANYWHERE for a long time. He's going to wait this thing out until he gets as much money as he possibly can. It makes zero sense for him from a monetary point of view to sign with any team immediately. I really hope the Lakers don't make a play for him, it's almost better not dealing with the endless BS rumors that come up from day to day.

[T Park]

this just isn't our MO.. Did we (wink,wink) tell him we have substantial cap space next year?

Seeing as they don't I'd doubt it.

[spursjustice]

not getting my hopes up...
but it would be bloody awesome if we can land him!!!!!!

[T Park]

So Yahoo Sports is now a legit source? C'mon now.....they've had their fair share of inaccuracies.

I don't expect Maggette to sign ANYWHERE for a long time. He's going to wait this thing out until he gets as much money as he possibly can. It makes zero sense for him from a monetary point of view to sign with any team immediately. I really hope the Lakers don't make a play for him, it's almost better not dealing with the endless BS rumors that come up from day to day.

Yahoo broke the Kurt Thomas deal.

They've broken many many other ones before as well.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Seeing as they don't I'd doubt it.


2010 cap space..

[Spur-Addict]

He was also hurt for 3/4 of the season.

Everybody gets banged on, but he sucks anyways. Nice jumper he has yes, but that's about it. He isn't exactly much of a defender, nor does he have much of a back to the basket game.

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[bigdog]

2010 cap space..

yeah, next year is 2009

[T Park]

2010 cap space..

next year is 09

[loveforthegame]

I won't get my hopes up but at least it's a legit source reporting it. It's not just money and years but whether Maggette is serious about winning a championship.

Right there that eliminates the Warriors and Grizzlies. Sixers should be considered but Smith is there first priority.

The Spurs can offer him a starting spot whereas Boston cannot. Orlando can but it seems like he would have accepted there already.

[George Gervin's Afro]

next year is 09

I made a mistake you fuckers... wink,wink sign a 2 yr deal with us. we take care of our guys..etc..

[thekingrobert]

he shoots too high a free throw percentage to be a Spurs

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So Yahoo Sports is now a legit source? C'mon now.....they've had their fair share of inaccuracies.

I don't expect Maggette to sign ANYWHERE for a long time. He's going to wait this thing out until he gets as much money as he possibly can. It makes zero sense for him from a monetary point of view to sign with any team immediately. I really hope the Lakers don't make a play for him, it's almost better not dealing with the endless BS rumors that come up from day to day.

* Yahoo broke Kurt Thomas to the Spurs.

* They have Johnny Ludden on staff, who is about as connected to the Spurs as can be.

You act like there's going to be these teams with millions of dollars waiting for him. Try fucking reading. There's three teams with more than MLE cap room.

1. Memphis. Looking to move and won't take on any big salaries.

2. Philly. Making a play for Childress at 10-12 million per year reportedly.

3. Golden State. Has substantial cheap talent at the 2-3, and has to re-sign Biedrins and Ellis, and probably one or more of Pietrus and Azubuike this summer.

In short, the money just isn't there.

[Biggems]

So Yahoo Sports is now a legit source? C'mon now.....they've had their fair share of inaccuracies.
I don't expect Maggette to sign ANYWHERE for a long time. He's going to wait this thing out until he gets as much money as he possibly can. It makes zero sense for him from a monetary point of view to sign with any team immediately. I really hope the Lakers don't make a play for him, it's almost better not dealing with the endless BS rumors that come up from day to day.

Yes but most of those inaccuracies were corrected once he left to be the Kleenex Nones GM...

[rj215]

Pop went to Udoka and Barry as the LA series wore on and played Finley less and less. And Finley started out as one of Pop's favorite vets.

For him to bench Finley's scrub ass, you have to think he has fallen out of favor of sorts. Push comes to shove, I think Barry is back, Fin is gone (plus Barry can give spot minutes at PG if need be, Finley's just around as a chucker).

Please send Finley back to either the Suns or Mavs so he can suck for them...he's past of point of being useful and he's definitely not a starter in this league anymore. Corey should start and help spell Manu a good deal in the regular season. But this story still sounds too good to be true and doesn't seem like the Spurs to spill something like this.

[TheMadHatter]

I've followed Maggette a lot longer than anyone here has. I'm sure if you guys get him you will immediately become title favorites again. He is that good a player and I know Pop can keep him focused. If you guys do get him, major props.

That being said, from what I've seen of Maggette as a Clipper he is one of the least motivated players I've ever seen. If he really wants a ring over making money then this is news to me. I see him going where the money is, and if the money isn't there he goes to the best location with the least pressure on him to perform.

[xtremesteven33]

the part about "MULTIPLE league sources" really sold me into believing that this is legitimate.

again, i wont get my hopes up to high just because maggette seems as though he puts money first before championships. but hopefully he proves all of us wrong

[bigdog]

Please send Finley back to either the Suns or Mavs so he can suck for them...he's past of point of being useful and he's definitely not a starter in this league anymore. Corey should start and help spell Manu a good deal in the regular season. But this story still sounds too good to be true and doesn't seem like the Spurs to spill something like this.

I don't think the Spurs spilled anything, it was likely someone out of the Maggette camp.

[SenorSpur]

Pop went to Udoka and Barry as the LA series wore on and played Finley less and less. And Finley started out as one of Pop's favorite vets.

For him to bench Finley's scrub ass, you have to think he has fallen out of favor of sorts. Push comes to shove, I think Barry is back, Fin is gone (plus Barry can give spot minutes at PG if need be, Finley's just around as a chucker).

Agreed. If push comes to shove and Pop has to choose between the two, he would likely invite Barry back. If this Maggette thing comes to fruition, then that punches Finley's ticket outta here.

[SenorSpur]

That would be swwweeeeettt but rumors have it we are after Diop and have offered full MLE to him so this may just be rumor......then again it could be why Barry just opted out!!

If Maggette does sign, Diop (or Najera) would be nice targets fro the LLE. Spurs would be very well-positioned.

[CaptainLate]

I get that but you have to look at it from a players point of view. Get what you can now because after that you have to think of the next 30 years of making money. SA is not a big market....Great catch for Spurs but will it pay off for him and his future.

Who gives a damn about being in a small market. It doesn't take being in a large market to take your millions and invest it to make more millions. Any player who isn't in the oil & gas market by now needs to either find a new financial advisor or they deserve to be poor after their career is over. :lmao

[chasky]

Wow that would be awesome!!

Parker-Hill-Vaungth (IL)
Ginobili-Maggette-Barry (if he come back)
Bowen-Udoka-
Duncan-Bonner-
Oberto-Mahinmi-

With that players we need a BIG MAN, Maybe Resign Thomas, Najera would be a good option, diop too. NO RESING HORRY PLEASE,

If the spurs sign maggette probably Barry opting out of his contract. in that case we need another SG/SF, Finley is too expensive.

a lot of guys in this forum put hopes in the second round picks, but i don't think that they see some accion in the nba regular season in 2008/09, if they show something in the toros, may be in the next seasons. For sure Gist and Hairston In the IL all the year. And probably the spurs waive someone.

[T Park]

yeah I think Barry comes back as well.


I think Finley is done.

[Solid D]

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[CaptainLate]

No.. he'd probably sign a 2-year deal (maybe three) with player option(s). I believe he would look to find a good payday from a decent team next year or the year after; especially the year after.

Then sign him for 2yrs with the caveat that if he's what he thinks he is then he'll be factored in when we retool in 2010.

[T Park]

If Maggette does sign, Diop (or Najera) would be nice targets fro the LLE. Spurs would be very well-positioned.

Yeah I don't know who I'd rather have out of either one.

I'd probobly go with Najera.

Although it would be nice to have another shot blocker.

[spurman20]

Maggette rumor is coming from a legit news source. Ignore the idiots on RealGM going on about Diop.

I hope so, I wouldnt mind getting a shot blocker to put by duncan but not at the expense of signing a wing....if we go thru FA and get only a scrub wing or two we are screwwweeeeedddd!!!:bang

[SenorSpur]

I've followed Maggette a lot longer than anyone here has. I'm sure if you guys get him you will immediately become title favorites again. He is that good a player and I know Pop can keep him focused. If you guys do get him, major props.

That being said, from what I've seen of Maggette as a Clipper he is one of the least motivated players I've ever seen. If he really wants a ring over making money then this is news to me. I see him going where the money is, and if the money isn't there he goes to the best location with the least pressure on him to perform.


This is why I'm cautiously optimistic about this. I didn't peg Corey for being a player that would reject the highest bidder or the greater convenience. I just knew for sure he'd go back to Orlando.

[oligarchy]

If Maggette does sign, Diop (or Najera) would be nice targets fro the LLE. Spurs would be very well-positioned.

If you believe the rumors.. Mavs are looking to lock up Diop for the full MLE.. :lol

[loveforthegame]

I think Finley comes back for the vet minimum and Barry is off for greener pastures. Why else did he opt out of his contract?

[SenorSpur]

If you believe the rumors.. Mavs are looking to lock up Diop for the full MLE.. :lol

Paying him that much would be their biggest offseason mistake.

Speaking of the Mavs, they were licking their chops about Maggette too.

[spurman20]

If the Spurs put Maggette in the fold, then I'd rather they use the LLE on another big. Where do things stand with Kurt Thomas?

They want to resign Thomas but if they do they are gonna run out of roster spots with Maggette, draft picks, and reup Barry, they wont have room for another big......I would like to see us go after O bryan from G State! hes only 21 and they gave up on him after 1 yr...:flag:

[loveforthegame]

Mavs signed Gerald Green so they probably don't want Maggette any longer.

[T Park]

Mavs signed Gerald Green so they probably don't want Maggette any longer.

Who?

[Marcus Bryant]

Meanwhile, according to the Express-News, Brent Barry is not a free agent.

[spurman20]

I think Finley comes back for the vet minimum and Barry is off for greener pastures. Why else did he opt out of his contract?

I think Barry opt out to help spurs bing in Maggette, we are a couple mil under the cap with him not on roster so they could offer Maggette 6-7 m and sign Barry to to LLE for about 1.8m and because they have K T bird rights sign him above the cap for lets say 2 yrs 8 m

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Who?

Gerald Green

:)

[Budkin]

I'll get excited if it becomes official and only then.

[loveforthegame]

I guess I can see both Finley and Barry back as Barry can play some point and let Vaughn sit in the IR section. Makes one wonder how many minutes Udoka will be seeing.

Oberto - Thomas
Duncan - Mahinmi - Horry - Bonner
Bowen - Udoka
Maggette - Ginobli - Finley
Parker - Hill - Barry - Vaughn

Finley, Horry, Vaughn, and Bonner take turns on the IR.

[T Park]

Gerald Green

:)


THANKS

:lol

[tav1]

I think Barry opt out to help spurs bing in Maggette, we are a couple mil under the cap with him not on roster so they could offer Maggette 6-7 m and sign Barry to to LLE for about 1.8m and because they have K T bird rights sign him above the cap for lets say 2 yrs 8 m

We're not under cap.

[angelbelow]

yeah I think Barry comes back as well.


I think Finley is done.

he wants to play tho..

[angelbelow]

Meanwhile, according to the Express-News, Brent Barry is not a free agent.

lol that would make us sound like fools debating over finely or barry. but i'll be very happy if he wasnt a FA.

[Solid D]

2007-08 Free Throws Attempted Top 20 Regular Season

PLAYER NAME, TEAM . GP PPG FTM FTA FTM FTA FT%
1 Dwight Howard , ORL 82 20.7 6.5 10.9 529 897 .590
2 LeBron James , CLE 75 30.0 7.3 10.3 549 771 .712
3 Corey Maggette , LAC 70 22.1 7.9 9.7 553 681 .812
4 Allen Iverson , DEN 82 26.4 7.9 9.7 645 797 .809
5 Kevin Martin , SAC 61 23.7 8.2 9.5 502 578 .869
6 Dwyane Wade , MIA 51 24.6 6.9 9.2 354 467 .758
7 Kobe Bryant , LAL 82 28.3 7.6 9.0 623 742 .840
8 Amare Stoudemire , PHX 79 25.2 7.0 8.7 556 691 .805
9 Chris Bosh , TOR 67 22.3 7.0 8.3 472 559 .844
10 Richard Jefferson , NJN 82 22.6 6.6 8.3 542 679 .798
11 Carmelo Anthony , DEN 77 25.7 6.0 7.7 464 590 .786
12 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 13 19.4 5.7 7.4 74 96 .771
13 Ming Yao , HOU 55 22.0 6.3 7.4 345 406 .850
14 Dirk Nowitzki , DAL 77 23.6 6.2 7.1 478 544 .879
15 Gerald Wallace , CHA 62 19.4 5.0 6.9 313 428 .731
16 Michael Redd , MIL 72 22.7 5.6 6.8 402 490 .820
17 Andre Iguodala , PHI 82 19.9 4.5 6.2 365 506 .721
18 Paul Pierce , BOS 80 19.6 5.1 6.1 409 485 .843
19 Manu Ginobili , SAS 74 19.5 5.1 6.0 380 442 .860
20 Tim Duncan , SAS 78 19.3 4.3 5.9 338 463 .730

[2centsworth]

I think Barry opt out to help spurs bing in Maggette, we are a couple mil under the cap with him not on roster so they could offer Maggette 6-7 m and sign Barry to to LLE for about 1.8m and because they have K T bird rights sign him above the cap for lets say 2 yrs 8 m

is this true?

[CaptainLate]

I've followed Maggette a lot longer than anyone here has....If he really wants a ring over making money then this is news to me. I see him going where the money is, and if the money isn't there he goes to the best location with the least pressure on him to perform.

The money isn't there this year. And with the Big 3 here, there isn't going to be the pressure to perform he had in Clipperland. 15 and 5 is as good here as 20 and 5 was there.

[T Park]

no the most they can offer is the MLE.

There is no, under the cap.

[Marcus Bryant]

is this true?

No. The Spurs are significantly under the Luxury Tax Threshold.

[2centsworth]

No. The Spurs are significantly under the Luxury Tax Threshold.

under or over?

[CaptainLate]

I hope so, I wouldnt mind getting a shot blocker to put by duncan but not at the expense of signing a wing...

We need more of a rebounder by Duncan than a shot blocker. Which is why the FO is happy with Gist.

[Marcus Bryant]

under or over?

Under the Lux Tax Threshold and over the Salary Cap.

[T Park]

After Tyrone Nesby, I refuse to get excited :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I hope so, I wouldnt mind getting a shot blocker to put by duncan but not at the expense of signing a wing....if we go thru FA and get only a scrub wing or two we are screwwweeeeedddd!!!:bang

Um, if we don't get a wing who can come in and give us double figures scoring every night and give Manu some rest during the regular season, we're screwed anyway, and that does take precedent over a marginal big.

[2centsworth]

Under the Lux Tax Threshold and over the Salary Cap.

I'm sure you've done this a million times, but please explain the mechanics. Being under the cap allows more cap space, no? If so, does Barry opting out create more cap space? thanks in advance.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think Barry opt out to help spurs bing in Maggette, we are a couple mil under the cap with him not on roster so they could offer Maggette 6-7 m and sign Barry to to LLE for about 1.8m and because they have K T bird rights sign him above the cap for lets say 2 yrs 8 m

I think you don't know squat about the salary cap.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

:pctoss:pctoss:pctoss:madrun:madrun:madrun OH WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKING HORSESHIT! NO IT'S NOT HAPPENING. THE SPURS ARE NEVER CAPABLE OF LANDING SOMEONE LIKE MAGETTE. I DONT FUCKING BUY IT. HE ALSO SAID HE WANTED TO GO TO ORLANDO. I SAY THIS DOESNT HAPPEN. SPURS ARENT CAPABLE OF PICKING UP A GUY LIKE THIS IN FREE AGENCY AND IT WONT ALL OF A SUDDEN START NOW!


THOSE FUCKTARDS AT YAHOO NEED TO CHANGE IT TO "ANYONE NOT NAMED THE SPURS FRONT-RUNNERS IN RACE FOR MAGGETTE!"

IT WONT HAPPEN! I FUCKING SWEAR TO GOD IT WONT FUCKING HAPPEN! IN THE END FATE WILL DO IT'S PART AND NOT LET THIS HAPPEN. :nope

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Being under the cap allows more cap space, no? If so, does Barry opting out create more cap space?

Yes. No.

[baseline bum]

There are two teams with room more than MLE

One is the Sixers and they are preparing a deal for Josh Smith.

So its down to 1.

Actually, there are three: Philly (money will be tied up on Smith), Memphis (won't add big salary), and Golden State (the most serious threat)

[spurman20]

I think you don't know squat about the salary cap.

Im an agent so I know plenty about the cap.

[T Park]

Im an agent so I know plenty about the cap.


I call huge bullshit on that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Im an agent so I know plenty about the cap.

:lmao

You clearly don't know shit about the salary cap, because if you did you'd know that the Spurs are already north of it even with Barry opting out.

[T Park]

I think sarsreport crashed again, it's like amateur night around here.


When it comes back up they can go and take Rendaldo McDonald with em.

[oligarchy]

I'm sure you've done this a million times, but please explain the mechanics. Being under the cap allows means cap space, no? If so, does Barry opting out create more cap space? thanks in advance.

There is a soft cap. Meaning, when the Spurs hit a certain amount (which they are already at even with Barry gone), they can't freely spend money. They have to use exceptions in order to retain their players or sign new ones. So, cap space has nothing to do with Barry. They can offer him the non-bird exception or as MB stated earlier in the thread, the LLE.

[SequSpur]

No way this happens.

[loveforthegame]

Not sure I buy the Barry opted out to make room for Maggette theory. I'm sure Brent is a good guy and would take less money if that helped but what about minutes. Is Barry going to sit on the bench another year? Not a lot of minutes after Bowen, Maggetter, Ginobli, and Udoka. Not a lot of minutes at the point if Hill can handle the backup spot behind Parker.

The more I think about it, I don't see Finley or Barry returning if this happens.

[duncan228]

:pctoss:pctoss:pctoss:madrun:madrun:madrun OH WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKING HORSESHIT! NO IT'S NOT HAPPENING. THE SPURS ARE NEVER CAPABLE OF LANDING SOMEONE LIKE MAGETTE. I DONT FUCKING BUY IT. HE ALSO SAID HE WANTED TO GO TO ORLANDO. I SAY THIS DOESNT HAPPEN. SPURS ARENT CAPABLE OF PICKING UP A GUY LIKE THIS IN FREE AGENCY AND IT WONT ALL OF A SUDDEN START NOW!


THOSE FUCKTARDS AT YAHOO NEED TO CHANGE IT TO "ANYONE NOT NAMED THE SPURS FRONT-RUNNERS IN RACE FOR MAGGETTE!"

IT WONT HAPPEN! I FUCKING SWEAR TO GOD IT WONT FUCKING HAPPEN! IN THE END FATE WILL DO IT'S PART AND NOT LET THIS HAPPEN. :nope

:lmao Hey Dirk. How have you been?

[T Park]

Actually, there are three: Philly (money will be tied up on Smith), Memphis (won't add big salary), and Golden State (the most serious threat)

Yeah someone pointed that out and I apologize for not seeing that earlier.

Golden State will be tough to contend with, unless they go hard after Arenas.

[spurman20]

We're not under cap.

as of now with barry out and draft picks unsigned we are under the projected 58.5-59 m cap number for 2008-09 season

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm sure you've done this a million times, but please explain the mechanics. Being under the cap allows means cap space, no?


Yes.



If so, does Barry opting out create more cap space? thanks in advance.

No, as the Spurs were above the cap by a larger amount.

The Spurs are over the cap, so they have their mid-level exception (worth $5.8 mil) and lower-level exception ($1.9 mil). They also have as many minimum player exceptions as they want. The NBA Salary Cap is not a hard cap.

In addition, there are exceptions which are tied to certain players depending on how long they've been under contract with one team. This is known as "Bird Rights" (yes, named after Larry). There are full Bird Rights, Early-Bird Rights, and Non-Bird Rights. For example, the Spurs have full Bird Rights for Kurt Thomas, which means that they can re-sign him to a new contract up to the maximum player salary, if they were so inclined. Bird Rights are transferable for traded players.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah someone pointed that out and I apologize for not seeing that earlier.

Golden State will be tough to contend with, unless they go hard after Arenas.

Yes, you're welcome.

[2centsworth]

There is a soft cap. Meaning, when the Spurs hit a certain amount (which they are already at even with Barry gone), they can't freely spend money. They have to use exceptions in order to retain their players or sign new ones. So, cap space has nothing to do with Barry. They can offer him the non-bird exception or as MB stated earlier in the thread, the LLE.

gracias

[SequSpur]

If they get Maggette and JR Smith, I buy tickets.

[T Park]

as of now with barry out and draft picks unsigned we are under the projected 58.5-59 m cap number for 2008-09 season

not enough to up the MLE.

The MLE is SET.

Come on Boras, figure it out.

[T Park]

If they Maggette and JR Smith, I buy tickets.

Its either or dumbass.

Stay away.

[Marcus Bryant]

as of now with barry out and draft picks unsigned we are under the projected 58.5-59 m cap number for 2008-09 season

The Spurs have not renounced Finley, Barry, and Thomas, so they are not under the cap. Given that they are likely to re-sign Thomas, he alone will ensure they don't go below the cap.

[spurman20]

:lmao

You clearly don't know shit about the salary cap, because if you did you'd know that the Spurs are already north of it even with Barry opting out.

check your numbers...with barry opt out, spurs are at 56-56.5m with out signing draft picks....the projected cap for 2008-09 is 58.5-59m that means we are 2-3 mil under

[El_Mago]

Arenas will agree with Washington.

[T Park]

Yes, you're welcome.

:lol

[T Park]

since when did you become a wiz at this shit?


Since when did your wife allow you on the computer after 9?

Go make some pie small fry.

[2centsworth]

Yes.



No, as the Spurs were above the cap by a larger amount.

The Spurs are over the cap, so they have their mid-level exception (worth $5.8 mil) and lower-level exception ($1.9 mil). They also have as many minimum player exceptions as they want. The NBA Salary Cap is not a hard cap.

In addition, there are exceptions which are tied to certain players depending on how long they've been under contract with one team. This is known as "Bird Rights" (yes, named after Larry). There are full Bird Rights, Early-Bird Rights, and Non-Bird Rights. For example, the Spurs have full Bird Rights for Kurt Thomas, which means that they can re-sign him to a new contract up to the maximum player salary, if they were so inclined. Bird Rights are transferable for traded players.

awesome, ty.

[T Park]

check your numbers...with barry opt out, spurs are at 56-56.5m with out signing draft picks....the projected cap for 2008-09 is 58.5-59m that means we are 2-3 mil under

2-3 million under, DOES NOTHING FOR THE MLE!!!

christ.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Not sure I buy the Barry opted out to make room for Maggette theory. I'm sure Brent is a good guy and would take less money if that helped but what about minutes. Is Barry going to sit on the bench another year? Not a lot of minutes after Bowen, Maggetter, Ginobli, and Udoka. Not a lot of minutes at the point if Hill can handle the backup spot behind Parker.

The more I think about it, I don't see Finley or Barry returning if this happens.


Okay, for all the salary cap rookies on here...

Barry opting out didn't do jack to free up room financially for Maggette. The Spurs are over the salary cap threshold already, even with Barry opting out.

The Spurs are under the luxury tax, which you can treat as a de facto hard cap for the ownership group as it stands (though they have shown willingness to go over it minimally before).

Barry opted out either to go elsewhere or because the Spurs told him that if he opted out of his $1.2 million deal, they'd give him the biannual LLE for $1.9 million for being a good soldier and coming back this spring when we did the swap with Seattle. Period.

Carry on.

[dallaskd]

very nice for the spurs. cubes needs to make a move now.

[spurman20]

Um, if we don't get a wing who can come in and give us double figures scoring every night and give Manu some rest during the regular season, we're screwed anyway, and that does take precedent over a marginal big.

Thats what I was say;n:flag:

[T Park]

Barry opted out either to go elsewhere or because the Spurs told him that if he opted out of his $1.2 million deal, they'd give him the biannual LLE for $1.9 million for being a good soldier and coming back this spring when we did the swap with Seattle. Period.


Wich if you sign Maggette thats fine.

[oligarchy]

as of now with barry out and draft picks unsigned we are under the projected 58.5-59 m cap number for 2008-09 season

They didn't renounce his rights, so he still counts against cap. Mr. Agent.

[CaptainLate]

Actually, there are three: Philly (money will be tied up on Smith), Memphis (won't add big salary), and Golden State (the most serious threat)

GS is not a title contender...and Calif has a state income tax and Oakland is near queer city. :lmao

As for Memphis, they just agreed with Marc Gasol:

The Grizzlies made a bold trade on draft night to acquire O.J. Mayo. Now they might have added another "lottery" pick.

Marc Gasol, the younger brother of Lakers center Pau Gasol, has agreed to a three-year deal worth $10 million, according to a league source. The contract has yet to be signed, but was said to be near completion.

Gasol, 23, is considered one of the top players in Europe. Last year the 7-foot-1 center was named MVP of the Spanish League after averaging 16.2 points and 8.3 rebounds per game for Akasvayu Girona. He could join with 7-foot Darko Milicic to give the Grizzlies one of the taller frontcourts in the NBA.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/marty_burns/07/01/gasol/index.html

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Forget that lash out from a few minutes ago. It just said the Spurs have interest in Maggette. I dont even care if the Magic get him. Im just glad to know all this excitment is that the spurs like Cory. The Mavs could use him too but they arent getting him and either are the spurs.

Orlando or another team will get Cory. Spurs werent capable of landing guys like Cory back then and they sure as hell arent capable now. :toast

[SequSpur]

The Spurs are probably only going to give him 24 hours to answer back, cuz they need to move onto plan B, so we will know soon.

[Spurtacus]

Whoa. Somebody slap me around and call me Susan!

[angelbelow]

If they get Maggette and JR Smith, I buy tickets.

sorry but it cant be both, i encourage you to buy tickets anyways.

[2centsworth]

Forget that lash out from a few minutes ago. It just said the Spurs have interest in Maggette. I dont even care if the Magic get him. Im just glad to know all this excitment is that the spurs like Cory. The Mavs could use him too but they arent getting him and either are the spurs.

Orlando or another team will get Cory. Spurs werent capable of landing guys like Cory back then and they sure as hell arent capable now. :toast


Suicide is not the answer. You need a priest.

[duncan228]

Forget that lash out from a few minutes ago. It just said the Spurs have interest in Maggette. I dont even care if the Magic get him. Im just glad to know all this excitment is that the spurs like Cory. The Mavs could use him too but they arent getting him and either are the spurs.

Orlando or another team will get Cory. Spurs werent capable of landing guys like Cory back then and they sure as hell arent capable now. :toast

It's okay Dirk, we know how passionate you can get. :)

[SequSpur]

sorry but it cant be both, i encourage you to buy tickets anyways.

I ain't donating my money to any team that thinks Vaughn Bonner and Old man Bowen can still play.

[T Park]

Figure it out yoda.


Your babble cannot be figured out without your halfass explanations.

[spurman20]

They didn't renounce his rights, so he still counts against cap. Mr. Agent.

The spurs do not have bird rights to barry so there is nothing to renounce

[T Park]

I ain't donating my money to any team that thinks Vaughn Bonner and Old man Bowen can still play.


Then stay the fuck out.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

check your numbers...with barry opt out, spurs are at 56-56.5m with out signing draft picks....the projected cap for 2008-09 is 58.5-59m that means we are 2-3 mil under

Check your numbers.

Spurs are at 56 million. As of the completion of the draft, they are on the hook for Hill's 'minimum' salary of 838K, plus a charge of approximately $460K for two empty roster spots (with Hill, they only have 9 guys under contract).

That puts us back at $58 million, and the cap hasn't been announced for 2008-2009 yet. There is no wiggle room under the cap, and even if the Spurs were under the cap by 2 million, they can't add that to the MLE money and give him $7 mil or something stupid like that.

Further:

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. So even if theoretically we had this mythical $2 million you are talking about (which we don't, see above), the league would still tack on the amounts for the MLE and LLE on top of our trade exceptions and we'd be capped out.

Stick to the kiddie pool, 'agent'.

[2centsworth]

I ain't donating my money to any team that thinks Vaughn Bonner and Old man Bowen can still play.


:lmao:lmao:lmao

(Bowen can still ball)

[T Park]

sorry but it cant be both, i encourage you to buy tickets anyways.


No, keep him away please.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

I guess you have to fix my quotes to make yourself feel better after someone stole your box of Hostess Twinkies.

[50 cent]

I'm not going to get excited, but GOD, I hope this happens.

[SequSpur]

Check your numbers.

Spurs are at 56 million. As of the completion of the draft, they are on the hook for Hill's 'minimum' salary of 838K, plus a charge of approximately $460K for two empty roster spots (with Hill, they only have 9 guys under contract).

That puts us back at $58 million, and the cap hasn't been announced for 2008-2009 yet. There is no wiggle room under the cap, and even if the Spurs were under the cap by 2 million, they can't add that to the MLE money and give him $7 mil or something stupid like that.

Further:

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. So even if theoretically we had this mythical $2 million you are talking about (which we don't, see above), the league would still tack on the amounts for the MLE and LLE and we'd be capped out.

Stick to the kiddie pool, 'agent'.


So Matt Bonner's $3mill is hosing the Spurs again.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs are offering a variation on the DA offer: join us, play for a championship, be showcased, and then be able to opt out to be re-signed by us when we have a shitload of cap room (or, well, someone else) for your true price.

The only difference is, he'd have to wait two years. But the Summer of 2010 should result in a pay raise for him if he's a free agent then.

[T Park]

So Matt Bonner's $3mill is hosing the Spurs again.

No its not.


GOD WOULD YOU SHUT UP.

[Marcus Bryant]

So Matt Bonner's $3mill is hosing the Spurs again.

Not at all.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

It's okay Dirk, we know how passionate you can get. :)

:toast

[2centsworth]

Can't you see I'm on the verge of killing myself. Sheesh, what's wrong with you people, call 911.

[bigdog]

Sequ is still allowed in this place?

[2centsworth]

Not at all.

Dude, Frankenstein is brutal. I'm with Sequ.

[Leetonidas]

What I don't understand is that there is no mention of whether or not Maggette is even interested, yet the Spurs are "front-runners" to sign him, which would imply they are at the top of his list.

Something's not right here...

[SequSpur]

Sequ is still allowed in this place?

what kind of question is that?

[Marcus Bryant]

Dude, Frankenstein is brutal. I'm with Sequ.

His contract doesn't prevent the Spurs from going under the cap.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Tight avatar :toast

[peskypesky]

2-3 million under, DOES NOTHING FOR THE MLE!!!

christ.

Mid-level exception
A team is allowed to sign one player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2007-08 NBA season is $5.36 million. Only teams that are over the Salary Cap can use the mid-level exception to sign free agents.

from wikipedia

[bigdog]

what kind of question is that?

Just thought you might have been hated so much by now that you'd be banned.

That's all.

[T Park]

Mid-level exception
A team is allowed to sign one player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2007-08 NBA season is $5.36 million. Only teams that are over the Salary Cap can use the mid-level exception to sign free agents.

from wikipedia


So that pretty much confirms what I said.

Hell, it would be BAD if they went under the cap.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So Matt Bonner's $3mill is hosing the Spurs again.

As much of a scrub as I think Bonner is, his $3 million isn't hanging us up. As the NBA sees it, here's our salary status for 2008-2009:

Currently committed salaries: 56 million
Hill: rookie scale 100%: 838K
Two roster spots: 460K each, 920K

Total: $57.7 million.

MLE: $5.8 million
LLE: $1.9 million

Trade exception: $1.9 million (Beno)
Trade exception: $400K (Thomas)
Trade exception: $400k (Scola)

Total: ~68 million.

And I believe that Thomas and Barry are still technically on the books for 150% of their salaries as well.

[spurman20]

Check your numbers.

Spurs are at 56 million. As of the completion of the draft, they are on the hook for Hill's 'minimum' salary of 838K, plus a charge of approximately $460K for two empty roster spots (with Hill, they only have 9 guys under contract).

That puts us back at $58 million, and the cap hasn't been announced for 2008-2009 yet. There is no wiggle room under the cap, and even if the Spurs were under the cap by 2 million, they can't add that to the MLE money and give him $7 mil or something stupid like that.

Further:

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. So even if theoretically we had this mythical $2 million you are talking about (which we don't, see above), the league would still tack on the amounts for the MLE and LLE on top of our trade exceptions and we'd be capped out.

Stick to the kiddie pool, 'agent'.

You must have gotten you education from Texas a and n......notice I said we are under the cap now not signing draft pics......all FA that we hold rights to can be renounce to create futher room, in doing so that puts the spurs 2-3 mil under the projected cap....meaning the spurs could sign a FA for the anount under the cap, then use MLE then LLE . to fill roster viods they can also sign players for vets min pending on years of service is about 1.1 m......dont talk to me about caps with some info you got off the net....your out of you league.

[TheMadHatter]

Teams under the cap who might make a play:

GSW - If they don't find themselves a legit starting PG, which is their #1 option right now, they could easily make this deal and outbid everyone. Right now they have expressed no interest in Maggette though.

PHI - They lost out on Brand and there is no way they are getting at J. Smith. Maggette could be their backup plan, right now they are starting Willie Green......Maggette would be a big upgrade there.

MEM - Not happening.

Teams over the cap

Every single NBA contender. This is what's going to be tough for any team to get Maggette's services for the MLE price. EVERYONE is going to make a play, even if Maggette doesn't necessarily fit their team, simply because of the price tag. When you can get a player of his caliber for this cheap you do the deal regardless. At worst he is a valuable trading chip for the future. It's for this reason that I don't see Maggette making any moves for a long time, he's going to be fielding offers from just about everyone.

[oligarchy]

Mid-level exception
A team is allowed to sign one player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2007-08 NBA season is $5.36 million. Only teams that are over the Salary Cap can use the mid-level exception to sign free agents.

from wikipedia

There's also a portion missing that states that if you are under the cap by an amount less than the MLE, you still get the MLE.

So, it would hurt the LLE and other exceptions, but not the MLE.

[bigdog]

Hes kind of like the blowup clown that you punch and he pops back up.

Ah, one of those bitches.

[Spurtacus]

Is it July 9 yet?

[SequSpur]

Just thought you might have been hated so much by now that you'd be banned.

That's all.

hated for what? for speaking my opinion? shit... I like the Maggette deal, I like the Hill draft, I like Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Horry, Udoka, Thomas, etc.

But Vaughn and Bonner suck and Bowen is 100 years old. Shit, you can't turn back frickin time einstein. Shit.

I'm not a Popsucker like tpark, solid d, and chumpdumber are... shit, I can see through the smoking mirrors and bullshit.

I will tell you what most think but don't have the balls to say. the Spurs got there ass blown out in the west finals.. shit, it wasn't even close, they have issues and to sit here standing pat with the same bullshit they had last year ain't going to cut it, because they couldn't beat LA, Detroit or Boston with this shitty lineup.

Yes, I'm still here.

[2centsworth]

Teams under the cap who might make a play:

GSW - If they don't find themselves a legit starting PG, which is their #1 option right now, they could easily make this deal and outbid everyone. Right now they have expressed no interest in Maggette though.

PHI - They lost out on Brand and there is no way they are getting at J. Smith. Maggette could be their backup plan, right now they are starting Willie Green......Maggette would be a big upgrade there.

MEM - Not happening.

Teams over the cap

Every single NBA contender. This is what's going to be tough for any team to get Maggette's services for the MLE price. EVERYONE is going to make a play, even if Maggette doesn't necessarily fit their team, simply because of the price tag. When you can get a player of his caliber for this cheap you do the deal regardless. At worst he is a valuable trading chip for the future. It's for this reason that I don't see Maggette making any moves for a long time, he's going to be fielding offers from just about everyone.

you're may be right, but this now makes JR Smith a little more attainable.

[oligarchy]

You must have gotten you education from Texas a and n......notice I said we are under the cap now not signing draft pics......all FA that we hold rights to can be renounce to create futher room, in doing so that puts the spurs 2-3 mil under the projected cap....meaning the spurs could sign a FA for the anount under the cap, then use MLE then LLE . to fill roster viods they can also sign players for vets min pending on years of service is about 1.1 m......dont talk to me about caps with some info you got off the net....your out of you league.

You are a moron. You don't get under cap and then have the ability to use exceptions. You only get exceptions when you are OVER CAP.

[Big P]

So know the question is, can we front load a contract for him, & if the answer is yes, how much could we load it by? Thanks in advance cap gurus..

[Marcus Bryant]

You must have gotten you education from Texas a and n......notice I said we are under the cap now not signing draft pics......all FA that we hold rights to can be renounce to create futher room, in doing so that puts the spurs 2-3 mil under the projected cap....meaning the spurs could sign a FA for the anount under the cap, then use MLE then LLE . to fill roster viods they can also sign players for vets min pending on years of service is about 1.1 m......dont talk to me about caps with some info you got off the net....your out of you league.

So we should pretend like the Spurs have renounced Kurt Thomas? Where'd you go to school, ITT Tech?

[T Park]

You are a moron. You don't get under cap and then have the ability to use exceptions. You only get exceptions when you are OVER CAP.

Hey thats an agent you're talkin to there :lmao

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You must have gotten you education from Texas a and n......notice I said we are under the cap now not signing draft pics......all FA that we hold rights to can be renounce to create futher room, in doing so that puts the spurs 2-3 mil under the projected cap....meaning the spurs could sign a FA for the anount under the cap, then use MLE then LLE . to fill roster viods they can also sign players for vets min pending on years of service is about 1.1 m......dont talk to me about caps with some info you got off the net....your out of you league.

Geezus fucking Christ.

"Not signing draft picks". I'm not counting our second rounders. Apparently you flunked out of agent school. The league put Hill on the books for 100% of his rookie pay scale ($838K) the minute the draft ended. It's what they do.

Similarly, because with Hill that's only 10 players under contract they charge us for two empty roster spots at the rookie minimum ($460K for 2008-2009).

I really don't give a fuck what fuzzy math you use to try and make yourself look 'agent smart', the league does its math a different way. Funny, the edumacation I got at A&M taught me little shit like how to read, which comes in handy if you ever decide to peruse the CBA and figure out what it means in English.

Like I said, stick to the kiddie pool Jerry Maguire.

[2centsworth]

your barely even tall enough to make it through the door

Pipe down kid.

dude, you're the last person on earth that should make fun of people's appearence. Not cool.

[SequSpur]

your barely even tall enough to make it through the door

Pipe down kid.

kid? I'm old enough to be your daddy clown act...

[spurman20]

You are a moron. You don't get under cap and then have the ability to use exceptions. You only get exceptions when you are OVER CAP.

Look up at the winki quote posted, a team may use a MLE if doing so will put them over the cap.....in other words if your under the cap say 3 mil you can still use MLE for the full amount.

[T Park]

kid? I'm old enough to be your daddy clown act...


Yet you act like a 13 year old.


dude, you're the last person on earth that should make fun of people's appearence. Not cool.

Oh really?

Like I give a fuck what you think.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hey dumbass (spursman20), here's the math. Try reading.


As much of a scrub as I think Bonner is, his $3 million isn't hanging us up. As the NBA sees it, here's our salary status for 2008-2009:

Currently committed salaries: 56 million
Hill: rookie scale 100%: 838K
Two roster spots: 460K each, 920K

Total: $57.7 million.

MLE: $5.8 million
LLE: $1.9 million

Trade exception: $1.9 million (Beno)
Trade exception: $400K (Thomas)
Trade exception: $400k (Scola)

Total: ~68 million.

And I believe that Thomas and Barry are still technically on the books for 150% of their salaries as well.

[T Park]

Geezus fucking Christ.

"Not signing draft picks". I'm not counting our second rounders. Apparently you flunked out of agent school. The league put Hill on the books for 100% of his rookie pay scale ($838K) the minute the draft ended. It's what they do.

Similarly, because with Hill that's only 10 players under contract they charge us for two empty roster spots at the rookie minimum ($460K for 2008-2009).

I really don't give a fuck what fuzzy math you use to try and make yourself look 'agent smart', the league does its math a different way. Funny, the edumacation I got at A&M taught me little shit like how to read, which comes in handy if you ever decide to peruse the CBA and figure out what it means in English.

Like I said, stick to the kiddie pool Jerry Maguire.

Tom Cruise just knocked and wants a retraction immediately.

[2centsworth]

Spurman20, stay out of the CBA talk with these dudes until you're a pro. Dude's are like pretend agents and s*&t.

[bigdog]

You must have gotten you education from Texas a and n......notice I said we are under the cap now not signing draft pics......all FA that we hold rights to can be renounce to create futher room, in doing so that puts the spurs 2-3 mil under the projected cap....meaning the spurs could sign a FA for the anount under the cap, then use MLE then LLE . to fill roster viods they can also sign players for vets min pending on years of service is about 1.1 m......dont talk to me about caps with some info you got off the net....your out of you league.

Damn. For an agent, you sure can't spell to save your life.

[oligarchy]

Hey thats an agent you're talkin to there :lmao

I'd hate to see who he represents. Poor bastards.

[DynastyBuilder]

I think GS will throw more at Monta Ellis since it was rumored the Grizz wanted to give him 10mil. Not a buyer on Maggette to GS just yet.

[ss1986v2]

Look up at the winki quote posted, a team may use a MLE if doing so will put them over the cap.....in other words if your under the cap say 3 mil you can still use MLE for the full amount.
are getting your info from the wiki? god, you are retarded. try going here and brushing up on your "agent" skills:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Look up at the winki quote posted, a team may use a MLE if doing so will put them over the cap.....in other words if your under the cap say 3 mil you can still use MLE for the full amount.

Yeah, but the whole point is earlier in the thread you said we could add whatever we're under the cap to the MLE.



I think Barry opt out to help spurs bing in Maggette, we are a couple mil under the cap with him not on roster so they could offer Maggette 6-7 m and sign Barry to to LLE for about 1.8m and because they have K T bird rights sign him above the cap for lets say 2 yrs 8 m


We know the Spurs can use the MLE, we don't need a reject from agent school to tell us that.

[spurman20]

Geezus fucking Christ.

"Not signing draft picks". I'm not counting our second rounders. Apparently you flunked out of agent school. The league put Hill on the books for 100% of his rookie pay scale ($838K) the minute the draft ended. It's what they do.

Similarly, because with Hill that's only 10 players under contract they charge us for two empty roster spots at the rookie minimum ($460K for 2008-2009).

I really don't give a fuck what fuzzy math you use to try and make yourself look 'agent smart', the league does its math a different way. Funny, the edumacation I got at A&M taught me little shit like how to read, which comes in handy if you ever decide to peruse the CBA and figure out what it means in English.

Like I said, stick to the kiddie pool Jerry Maguire.


As long as a team signs FA before signing draft pics the pics salaries dont count against the team....untill they are signed. L James did this with cleavland when he was drafted to allow them to sign other players without his contract on the books till after they signed who they wanted in the FA market.

[200 miles]

signing maggette would certainly diminish Hill's chances of being a combo guard

good, right?

[spurman20]

Yeah, but the whole point is earlier in the thread you said we could add whatever we're under the cap to the MLE.



We know the Spurs can use the MLE, we don't need a reject from agent school to tell us that.

Get out of your moms basement dude and come clean the gutters on my 7500sq ft home in Austin! If you do a good job Ill let you have one of my season tickets!!!

[z0sa]

your barely even tall enough to make it through the door

Pipe down kid.

how can you be barely tall enough to make it through a door?

[SequSpur]

Get out of your moms basement dude and come clean the gutters on my 7500sq ft home in Austin! If you do a good job Ill let you have one of my season tickets!!!

dude, do you have a plasma? lets have a gtg at your house...

[2centsworth]

No one is saying stay out of it.

Just don't come in saying

NO YOUR WRONG AND HERES WHY

when the reasons why are totally 100% wrong.


Now had he brought LEGIT reasons why they were wrong, Aggie and others would've had no problem discussing it.

But he drops the "Im an agent" card when hes totally clueless.

my post was giving props to aggie and alike.

[T Park]

signing maggette would certainly diminish Hill's chances of being a combo guard

good, right?

Doesn't diminish it in the least.

[T Park]

my post was giving props to aggie and alike.

I know.

I was expounding on it for the people reading :lol

[Big P]

As long as a team signs FA before signing draft pics the pics salaries dont count against the team....untill they are signed. L James did this with cleavland when he was drafted to allow them to sign other players without his contract on the books till after they signed who they wanted in the FA market.

wow...lol...you have provided me with some much needed laughs tonight...

[baseline bum]

Damn. For an agent, you sure can't spell to save your life.

I think dude was Ricky Williams' first agent.

[T Park]

I think dude was Ricky Williams' first agent.


Ah snap,

we got Master P in here?!?!?!

[spurman20]

are getting your info from the wiki? god, you are retarded. try going here and brushing up on your "agent" skills:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

The winki post is a brief outling of the bi laws of nba salary cap code.....I dont think you want to read all 48 pages of rules on use of the MLE!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As long as a team signs FA before signing draft pics the pics salaries dont count against the team....untill they are signed. L James did this with cleavland when he was drafted to allow them to sign other players without his contract on the books till after they signed who they wanted in the FA market.

No, Lebron didn't sign his because they were going to give him the max allowable for his slot, so he stayed on the books at 100% of his rookie scale until they signed others.

Here, let me help:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#14


Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries?

# The "scale" amount for the team's unsigned first-round draft pick(s) (see question number 43). This amount begins applying to the team's team salary immediately upon selection in the draft. However, this is not the same as his trade value (see question number 71).

# A roster charge if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). The roster charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player below 12. The roster charge only applies during the offseason.

# The combined amount of any Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Disabled Player (see question number 19) or Traded Player exceptions (see question number 69) available to the team (see question number 20), if the team is under the salary cap. (Teams may renounce these exceptions, in which case they no longer are included in team salary.)



Seriously, did you get your agent license out of a cracker jack box? You really don't know shit.

[spurman20]

No, Lebron didn't sign his because they were going to give him the max allowable for his slot, so he stayed on the books at 100% of his rookie scale until they signed others.

Here, let me help:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#14



Seriously, unless you got your agent license out of a cracker jack box, you really don't know shit.

Well I sure did make alot of cheese this year for someone who doesnt know much, maybe you should buy some cracker jacks and get yours!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Get out of your moms basement dude and come clean the gutters on my 7500sq ft home in Austin! If you do a good job Ill let you have one of my season tickets!!!

:lmao Salary smack. Classic. Sorry, I'll pass, got a morning tee time tomorrow here in Dallas, getting paid to play :toast

Your 75 square foot box under I35 doesn't count as a 'home'.

[2centsworth]

spurman20, you are obviously new to this board. When it comes to CBA talk, you better come correct or get killed.

[SequSpur]

:lmao :lol

you guys are frickin hilarious...

[z0sa]

Well I sure did make alot of cheese this year for someone who doesnt know much, maybe you should buy some cracker jacks and get yours!


:lmao:lmao

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well I sure did make alot of cheese this year for someone who doesnt know much, maybe you should buy some cracker jacks and get yours!

Yeah, I hear the WIC program gives you two pounds of cheese a month, I'm sure you stocked up.

[Blackjack]

Maybe the Maggette camp feels that the best way to maximize his earning potential in a weak market, is to sign a 3yr. contract (3rd being p.o.) at the MLE. Opting-out in year three (2010, when there will be multiple teams with cap-room) leaves him a great chance of getting a contract well above his market-value. After the top-tier free-agents are off the board, players like Maggette would benefit from teams scrambling to find a way to salvage their offseason. Thus, over-paying for lesser talent.

Playing for a team like the Spurs for 2 years, would give Maggette a chance to re-shape his image. If he's a good soldier, contributes to a winning team, and maybe even becomes a key-contributor to a championship team? He could really help himself financially down the road. Artest might have done well to do the same.

The positives of Maggette are obviously his free-throws, rebounding, and overall athleticism. He'd be a hell of a fouth scorer and could really help to lighten the load on what most likely will be a beaten-up Ginobili.

The negatives being: he's a bit of a ball stopper, he's injury-prone, and his passion/drive has left alot to be desired in the past.

For the MLE though, Maggette is a no-brainer. Worst case scenario you finally have a tradeable asset (outside The Big 3) with an attractive/friendly contract. :tu

[oligarchy]

Well I sure did make alot of cheese this year for someone who doesnt know much, maybe you should buy some cracker jacks and get yours!

alot of cheese? You are probably in your late 30's, a high school drop-out, and you are currently sitting at the edge of your bed that you share with your mom trying not to wake her up.

[oligarchy]

Maybe the Maggette camp feels that the best way to maximize his earning potential in a weak market, is to sign a 3yr. contract (3rd being p.o.) at the MLE. Opting-out in year three (2010, when there will be multiple teams with cap-room) leaves him a great chance of getting a contract well above his market-value. After the top-tier free-agents are off the board, players like Maggette would benefit from teams scrambling to find a way to salvage their offseason. Thus, over-paying for lesser talent.

Playing for a team like the Spurs for 2 years, would give Maggette a chance to re-shape his image. If he's a good soldier, contributes to a winning team, and maybe even becomes a key-contributor to a championship team? He could really help himself financially down the road. Artest might have done well to do the same.

The positives of Maggette are obviously his free-throws, rebounding, and overall athleticism. He'd be a hell of a fouth scorer and could really help to lighten the load on what most likely will be a beaten-up Ginobili.

The negatives being: he's a bit of a ball stopper, he's injury-prone, and his passion/drive has left alot to be desired in the past.

For the MLE though, Maggette is a no-brainer. Worst case scenario you finally have a tradeable asset (outside The Big 3) with an attractive/friendly contract. :tu

He basically has that same opportunity with Orlando. The difference being, actually being a contender or not.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Just watched ESPNNEWS.

Nothing about "maggette's verbal" bs

They did cover spurman30 lighting his farts in his mom's basement while trying to argue on the internet about the salary cap though...

[2centsworth]

He basically has that same opportunity with Orlando. The difference being, actually being a contender or not.

he starts in San Antonio.

[T Park]

They did cover spurman30 lighting his farts in his mom's basement while trying to argue on the internet about the salary cap though...


:lmao

He wasn't trying to impress Lauren holly was he?

[Marcus Bryant]

he starts in San Antonio.

and gets at least 35 minutes a night.

[oligarchy]

he starts in San Antonio.

He would start in Orlando..

[Buddy Holly]

He would start in Orlando..

He'd play more in SA.

He'd be an actual title contender in SA.

[T Park]

He would start in Orlando..


Maybe.

Maybe not.

[TheMadHatter]

He starts in ORL as well.

A team of Dwight Howard, Maggette, Lewis, Hedo, and Nelson is quite formidable in the EC. Easily one of the best shooting teams in the league, and Maggette provides them with a slashing guard who can get to the hoop that they've sorely lacked. If they avoid the Celtics they could definitely find themselves deep in the playoffs or even in the Finals. The EC is that weak.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm glad we have 20 full pages of insightful discussion on this topic.

[spurman20]

alot of cheese? You are probably in your late 30's, a high school drop-out, and you are currently sitting at the edge of your bed that you share with your mom trying not to wake her up.

Im in my hot tub with your mom and sister

[spurscenter]

He Cant wear #50

[Spurtacus]

Would Maggette start over Rashard Lewis or Hedo Turkoglu? Once again, Hedo's play is underappreciated.

Maggette is a starter in SA. He's also much closer to a championship ring in SA.

[z0sa]

Maybe the Maggette camp feels that the best way to maximize his earning potential in a weak market, is to sign a 3yr. contract (3rd being p.o.) at the MLE. Opting-out in year three (2010, when there will be multiple teams with cap-room) leaves him a great chance of getting a contract well above his market-value. After the top-tier free-agents are off the board, players like Maggette would benefit from teams scrambling to find a way to salvage their offseason. Thus, over-paying for lesser talent.

Playing for a team like the Spurs for 2 years, would give Maggette a chance to re-shape his image. If he's a good soldier, contributes to a winning team, and maybe even becomes a key-contributor to a championship team? He could really help himself financially down the road. Artest might have done well to do the same.

The positives of Maggette are obviously his free-throws, rebounding, and overall athleticism. He'd be a hell of a fouth scorer and could really help to lighten the load on what most likely will be a beaten-up Ginobili.

The negatives being: he's a bit of a ball stopper, he's injury-prone, and his passion/drive has left alot to be desired in the past.

For the MLE though, Maggette is a no-brainer. Worst case scenario you finally have a tradeable asset (outside The Big 3) with an attractive/friendly contract. :tu

I think Maggette would actually be more of a third or even second option should we pick him up. Pop is going to micromanage Manu's minutes more than ever this season, including bringing him off the bench in that sixth man role once again.

This means Maggette is going to carry much more of that scoring load which depleted Manu last season.

[T Park]

Im in my hot tub with your mom and sister


Fail.

[montgod]

Would Maggette start over Rashard Lewis or Hedo Turkoglu? Once again, Hedo's play is underappreciated.

Maggette is a starter in SA. He's also much closer to a championship ring in SA.

These were my thoughts as well, but supposedly, Turk or Lewis is going to make a go at being a PF full-time. We will see how that works out.

I actually think Orlando is the SPurs biggest competitor for CMaggette. Who doesn't like Orlando and FL is tax free as well.

Not to mention, it is the east. How close was Orlando to getting to the next round? Pretty close.

[spurman20]

unless you're sleeping with Maggette's girlfriend and have more to add, this rumor is about played out.

There is a wire report that C M is expected to sign with Orl for 5 yr MLE.....fun while it lasted plan B I guess

[Spur-Addict]

He starts in ORL as well.

A team of Dwight Howard, Maggette, Lewis, Hedo, and Nelson is quite formidable in the EC. Easily one of the best shooting teams in the league, and Maggette provides them with a slashing guard who can get to the hoop that they've sorely lacked. If they avoid the Celtics they could definitely find themselves deep in the playoffs or even in the Finals. The EC is that weak.

They are so weak that there conference represents the current league champions. Sounds damn weak to me.

[Marcus Bryant]

There is a wire report that C M is expected to sign with Orl for 5 yr MLE.....fun while it lasted plan B I guess

link? I don't see it.

[2centsworth]

There is a wire report that C M is expected to sign with Orl for 5 yr MLE.....fun while it lasted plan B I guess

I think we all figured Orlando was a strong player, but coming from you there's still hope.

[angelbelow]

You must have gotten you education from Texas a and n......notice I said we are under the cap now not signing draft pics......all FA that we hold rights to can be renounce to create futher room, in doing so that puts the spurs 2-3 mil under the projected cap....meaning the spurs could sign a FA for the anount under the cap, then use MLE then LLE . to fill roster viods they can also sign players for vets min pending on years of service is about 1.1 m......dont talk to me about caps with some info you got off the net....your out of you league.

whats the point of not counting the rookies? hill has a guranteed salary too, even if we waive him.

[spurman20]

I think we all figured Orlando was a strong player, but coming from you there's still hope.


Who do you think we should go after now?

[2centsworth]

link? I don't see it.

wiki I bet. Strange Maggette would sign for that long when he would command more in 2 years.

[oligarchy]

Would Maggette start over Rashard Lewis or Hedo Turkoglu? Once again, Hedo's play is underappreciated.

Maggette is a starter in SA. He's also much closer to a championship ring in SA.

Why would he have to start over either one?

They played most of the season (especially second half) with a line-up of:

Maurice Evans / Dwight Howard / Rashard Lewis / Jameer Nelson / Hedo Turkoglu
Carlos Arroyo / Maurice Evans / Dwight Howard / Rashard Lewis / Hedo Turkoglu

Are you saying they would start Maggette over Evans or Arroyo? He can start and play plenty of minutes.

[Big P]

Duhon to Meet with Orlando

Posted: 7/2/2008 12:13:00 AM
Source: Sporting News

After meeting with the Knicks today, Bulls free-agent point guard Chris Duhon is on to Orlando to meet with the Magic tomorrow. He was contacted by five teams on the first day of free agency: Cleveland, Sacramento, New York, Orlando and, in a bit of a surprise, Boston. The re-signing of Udrih should eliminate the Kings. Keep an eye on Duhon's dinner plans -- he could be meeting up with some current Magic players tomorrow. Players only get involved in free-agent recruitment when teams are truly serious about signing them.



Maybe they offer him the LLE?

[2centsworth]

Who do you think we should go after now?

what do you mean now, this Maggette thing was a huge surprise to everyone. Plan A is still in place.

[ChumpDumper]

There is a wire report that C M is expected to sign with Orl for 5 yr MLE.....fun while it lasted plan B I guessBut we have all that cap space you found.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

whats the point of not counting the rookies? hill has a guranteed salary too, even if we waive him.

It's the only way our resident agent, spurman20, can make his dumbass salary cap math work. Nevermind it's not how the NBA does it.

[Blackjack]

I think Maggette would actually be more of a third or even second option should we pick him up. Pop is going to micromanage Manu's minutes more than ever this season, including bringing him off the bench in that sixth man role once again.

This means Maggette is going to carry much more of that scoring load which depleted Manu last season.

I said he'd give us a hell of a fourth scorer, not be the fourth option.

I've never been a big fan of Maggette, but for the MLE he's a no-brainer. He'll lighten the load on Manu during the reg. season, and he fills a need.

Like I said before, worst case scenario he give us a tradeable asset with a friendly contract.

[DynastyBuilder]

always count on ole' mcdonald http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA.070208.Spurs.EN.14978daf.html

[angelbelow]

It's the only way our resident agent, spurman20, can make his dumbass salary cap math work. Nevermind it's not how the NBA does it.

apparently he wants to be technically correct on information that doesn't really matter and is incorrect when it matters. well you have to give it to him though, he is right about saying without rookie contracts. :p:

[spurman20]

whats the point of not counting the rookies? hill has a guranteed salary too, even if we waive him.

Draft pics dont count until signed.....so by waiting to sign till after FA it can make a diff if you under the cap. Like we did with Ian. He was drafted in 05 his rights were held but his salary didnt come on the books till this season when he signed. You can exceed the cap to sign pics but you cant to sign FA unless they are your own or you use the MLE.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

There is a wire report that C M is expected to sign with Orl for 5 yr MLE.....fun while it lasted plan B I guess

Where are these miraculous wire reports? The AP doesn't have one.

It's rather humorous to accept the idea of the Magic paying $6 million per for Maggette when they have a Maggette clone in Courtney Lee for a fraction of that.

[Marcus Bryant]

Draft pics dont count until signed.....so by waiting to sign till after FA it can make a diff if you under the cap. Like we did with Ian. He was drafted in 05 his rights were held but his salary didnt come on the books till this season when he signed. You can exceed the cap to sign pics but you cant to sign FA unless they are your own or you use the MLE.

That's swell. Where's the link?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Draft pics dont count until signed.....so by waiting to sign till after FA it can make a diff if you under the cap. Like we did with Ian. He was drafted in 05 his rights were held but his salary didnt come on the books till this season when he signed. You can exceed the cap to sign pics but you cant to sign FA unless they are your own or you use the MLE.

For the billionth time in this thread, the NBA puts rookies on the team's cap at the conclusion of the draft. No matter how many times you choose to ignore this fact doesn't make it any less of a reality.

[2centsworth]

this is freakin groundhog day. I'm sure buddy will post the pic in just a second.

[oligarchy]

These were my thoughts as well, but supposedly, Turk or Lewis is going to make a go at being a PF full-time. We will see how that works out.

I actually think Orlando is the SPurs biggest competitor for CMaggette. Who doesn't like Orlando and FL is tax free as well.

Not to mention, it is the east. How close was Orlando to getting to the next round? Pretty close.

How it works out? How did it work out last year? You realize Hedo was the starting PF no? ..and in the playoffs...

[2centsworth]

How it works out? How did it work out last year? You realize Hedo was the starting PF no? ..and in the playoffs...

yeah, that's not a good thing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Where are these miraculous wire reports? The AP doesn't have one.

It's rather humorous to accept the idea of the Magic paying $6 million per for Maggette when they have a Maggette clone in Courtney Lee for a fraction of that.

I thought this was worth reiterating. The Magic just drafted a Corey Maggette clone in Courtney Lee, are they really going to spring for the MLE for Corey when they have other needs to address?

There are reports Duhon is going to meet with the Magic before the end of the week, that sounds a lot more serious than 'gee, hope an offer is coming'.

[Tully365]

2007-08 Free Throws Attempted Top 20 Regular Season

PLAYER NAME, TEAM . GP PPG FTM FTA FTM FTA FT%
1 Dwight Howard , ORL 82 20.7 6.5 10.9 529 897 .590
2 LeBron James , CLE 75 30.0 7.3 10.3 549 771 .712
3 Corey Maggette , LAC 70 22.1 7.9 9.7 553 681 .812
4 Allen Iverson , DEN 82 26.4 7.9 9.7 645 797 .809
5 Kevin Martin , SAC 61 23.7 8.2 9.5 502 578 .869
6 Dwyane Wade , MIA 51 24.6 6.9 9.2 354 467 .758
7 Kobe Bryant , LAL 82 28.3 7.6 9.0 623 742 .840
8 Amare Stoudemire , PHX 79 25.2 7.0 8.7 556 691 .805
9 Chris Bosh , TOR 67 22.3 7.0 8.3 472 559 .844
10 Richard Jefferson , NJN 82 22.6 6.6 8.3 542 679 .798
11 Carmelo Anthony , DEN 77 25.7 6.0 7.7 464 590 .786
12 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 13 19.4 5.7 7.4 74 96 .771
13 Ming Yao , HOU 55 22.0 6.3 7.4 345 406 .850
14 Dirk Nowitzki , DAL 77 23.6 6.2 7.1 478 544 .879
15 Gerald Wallace , CHA 62 19.4 5.0 6.9 313 428 .731
16 Michael Redd , MIL 72 22.7 5.6 6.8 402 490 .820
17 Andre Iguodala , PHI 82 19.9 4.5 6.2 365 506 .721
18 Paul Pierce , BOS 80 19.6 5.1 6.1 409 485 .843
19 Manu Ginobili , SAS 74 19.5 5.1 6.0 380 442 .860
20 Tim Duncan , SAS 78 19.3 4.3 5.9 338 463 .730

Getting opposing teams in foul trouble would be a specialty of the Spurs with Maggette on the team. Parker/Ginobili/ Maggette would be a nightmarish matchup for defenders.

I love the fact that Duncan had a better free throw % last year than LeBron.

[bigdog]

Duhon to Meet with Orlando

Posted: 7/2/2008 12:13:00 AM
Source: Sporting News

After meeting with the Knicks today, Bulls free-agent point guard Chris Duhon is on to Orlando to meet with the Magic tomorrow. He was contacted by five teams on the first day of free agency: Cleveland, Sacramento, New York, Orlando and, in a bit of a surprise, Boston. The re-signing of Udrih should eliminate the Kings. Keep an eye on Duhon's dinner plans -- he could be meeting up with some current Magic players tomorrow. Players only get involved in free-agent recruitment when teams are truly serious about signing them.



Maybe they offer him the LLE?

I doubt it. NY has reportedly offered a 2 yr deal worth about half the MLE.

[TheMadHatter]

The Magic have a definite need for a player who can get to the rim like Maggette can. Right now they have a ton of shooters surrounding Howard but no real players who can break guys off the dribble and collapse the defense.

[spurman20]

Where are these miraculous wire reports? The AP doesn't have one.

It's rather humorous to accept the idea of the Magic paying $6 million per for Maggette when they have a Maggette clone in Courtney Lee for a fraction of that.

I agree with you this was reported by sporting news I am looking for the link again

[ChumpDumper]

I'm an agent AND a news editor.

[2centsworth]

The Magic have a definite need for a player who can get to the rim like Maggette can. Right now they have a ton of shooters surrounding Howard but no real players who can break guys off the dribble and collapse the defense.

they need that from the PG position, a guy who can create for others.

[Marcus Bryant]

I agree with you this was reported by sporting news I am looking for the link again

The most recent article re: Maggette from TSN is 8 hours old.

[oligarchy]

I thought this was worth reiterating. The Magic just drafted a Corey Maggette clone in Courtney Lee, are they really going to spring for the MLE for Corey when they have other needs to address?

There are reports Duhon is going to meet with the Magic before the end of the week, that sounds a lot more serious than 'gee, hope an offer is coming'.

Lee isn't proven, but that's neither here nor there. It's all speculation anyway. Although, you can't say it would be the dumbest thing they could do.

[Buddy Holly]

Yeah, Sporting News is breaking all the news these days...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Damn, maybe I can run some cheese smack again

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs can offer Maggette the same $ that the Magic could offer. If he wants to play for the Magic again then he wants to play for the Magic again. But $ won't be the reason.

[bigdog]

If it's worth anything, if you go to Yahoo.com, then click on the little sports tab on the center of the page, there is a link that goes to the Yahoo article about the Spurs and Maggette, and it's titled "Spurs near deal"

[200 miles]

i admit i have not seen maggette play much on tv, so i have to ask: how is good is he on defense?

[spurman20]

For the billionth time in this thread, the NBA puts rookies on the team's cap at the conclusion of the draft. No matter how many times you choose to ignore this fact doesn't make it any less of a reality.

Cap charges are not taken into account untill " said player has contractually agreed to render services for the contract stated length of time where as said players rights to services are here after deemed property of the said organization....."......" a team shall be deemed to retain all rights to services of said player even in the event said player declines to agree to contract until such time as players rights are waived or traded...."......In other words a players salary is off the books till signed.....the spurs have rights to several over seas players..... tiago splitter ...Is he on the books smart ass???

[Marcus Bryant]

Anyways, back to the article that started this all. It definitely read as though in the past tense.

:smokin

[ChumpDumper]

If it's worth anything, if you go to Yahoo.com, then click on the little sports tab on the center of the page, there is a link that goes to the Yahoo article about the Spurs and Maggette, and it's titled "Spurs near deal"It's not worth much. It's the same article.

[ChumpDumper]

Cap charges are not taken into account untill " said player has contractually agreed to render services for the contract stated length of time where as said players rights to services are here after deemed property of the said organization....."......" a team shall be deemed to retain all rights to services of said player even in the event said player declines to agree to contract until such time as players rights are waived or traded...."......In other words a players salary is off the books till signed.....the spurs have rights to several over seas players..... tiago splitter ...Is he on the books smart ass???Are you actually linking something or just making it up?

[T Park]

Anyways, back to the article that started this all. It definitely read as though in the past tense.

:smokin

Yeah,

the way he talks about the Spurs "Originally had planned to go after" makes me wonder.

Hopefully its true and not poor journalism.

[bigdog]

It's not worth much. It's the same article.

Yeah, but it suggests that they could be working out a deal with Maggette's agent.

I agree that it's just probably some title they made up to link to the article, but you never know.

[Brutalis]

i admit i have not seen maggette play much on tv, so i have to ask: how is good is he on defense?

Average at best.

[angelbelow]

his average at best on D. i live in la so i catch a few clipper games here and there, but even then i'll admit my analyst of maggettes D isnt the most accurate cause its pretty hard to watch the clippers. i usually just leave it on in the background if the clippers are playing and theres nothing else on.

[T Park]

i admit i have not seen maggette play much on tv, so i have to ask: how is good is he on defense?

Average.

With the SPurs, hed improve.

[oligarchy]

I couldn't find the link, but I took a snapshot..

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c6cbd0feef.jpg

[SenorSpur]

i admit i have not seen maggette play much on tv, so i have to ask: how is good is he on defense?

He's not a really good defender. However, no one has ever demanded that he become better either. He's got the skills necessary to be a better defender. He's got quick enough feet and does crash the glass. It's a matter of getting him to develop a mindset for it. If he does come here, Pop will demand more outta him. Believe that.

[Spurtacus]

i admit i have not seen maggette play much on tv, so i have to ask: how is good is he on defense?

Better than Finley.

[Jahivah]

Well this is my first post so Hi all. I'm really psyched about this Corey news. He's 6'6" so I would assume that he would be penciled in to start at SG. He is a banger though and can go down low and averaged over 5 rebounds last year. Im liking the shape that this team is taking. I think that we are good at PG with Parker, Hill and Vaugh. I like Vaugh alot. He runs the team well and doesn't make mistakes. We really don't need any scoring at the point position. I'd like to see us ad Barnes as well. He's a really solid player that does pretty much everything. And though I like Thomas we need another big man. I think that Mahamini can be a stud but Pop doesn't seem to really trust young kids lately. so gimme Magette, Barnes and a big man and I'm good.

[Big P]

I doubt it. NY has reportedly offered a 2 yr deal worth about half the MLE.

Thats even better...if NY is/was offering half the MLE, then Duhon would not be in Orlando if they were not offering at least the same type of money...half the MLE, which means if they do that, no full MLE contract for Maggs...

[spurman20]

Are you actually linking something or just making it up?

Like I said agent........spurs have rights to 4 over seas player and T Splitter is one, a first round pick that will not be on the spurs payroll untill he signs if he does.....we drafted him in 07 .....does anyone see his salary on our cap? No but we still hold his rights..Can anyone argue that fact? That is a quote from the Agents Hand book

[ss1986v2]

Like I said agent........spurs have rights to 4 over seas player and T Splitter is one, a first round pick that will not be on the spurs payroll untill he signs if he does.....we drafted him in 07 .....does anyone see his salary on our cap? No but we still hold his rights..Can anyone argue that fact? That is a quote from the Agents Hand book
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Big P]

Well this is my first post so Hi all. I'm really psyched about this Corey news. He's 6'6" so I would assume that he would be penciled in to start at SG. He is a banger though and can go down low and averaged over 5 rebounds last year. Im liking the shape that this team is taking. I think that we are good at PG with Parker, Hill and Vaugh. I like Vaugh alot. He runs the team well and doesn't make mistakes. We really don't need any scoring at the point position. I'd like to see us ad Barnes as well. He's a really solid player that does pretty much everything. And though I like Thomas we need another big man. I think that Mahamini can be a stud but Pop doesn't seem to really trust young kids lately. so gimme Magette, Barnes and a big man and I'm good.

Welcome...sorry you had to devirginize yourself in this filthy thread..lol

[T Park]

but Pop doesn't seem to really trust young kids lately

False.

[duncan228]

i admit i have not seen maggette play much on tv, so i have to ask: how is good is he on defense?

From the article:


“He’s going to take a lot of the offensive load off (Manu) Ginobili, but (Spurs coach Gregg) Popovich will have to hide him defensively on the floor,” a Western Conference scout said Tuesday night.

[spurman20]

Better than Finley.

His D is weak, because he doesnt wanna play it. But he has the skills to be a good one. That was the knock on him with Dunlevey.....all C M wants to do is score.

[Jahivah]

Like I said agent........spurs have rights to 4 over seas player and T Splitter is one, a first round pick that will not be on the spurs payroll untill he signs if he does.....we drafted him in 07 .....does anyone see his salary on our cap? No but we still hold his rights..Can anyone argue that fact? That is a quote from the Agents Hand book

I just about gave up on Tiago. He reupped for four more years. And we can only pay him as a rookie. I don't see him coming over anytime soon. Spurs maybe need to just mvoe on.

[Big P]

I just about gave up on Tiago. He reupped for four more years. And we can only pay him as a rookie. I don't see him coming over anytime soon. Spurs maybe need to just mvoe on.

2010

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Cap charges are not taken into account untill " said player has contractually agreed to render services for the contract stated length of time where as said players rights to services are here after deemed property of the said organization....."......" a team shall be deemed to retain all rights to services of said player even in the event said player declines to agree to contract until such time as players rights are waived or traded...."......In other words a players salary is off the books till signed.....the spurs have rights to several over seas players..... tiago splitter ...Is he on the books smart ass???

Hey dipshit, it's in the CBA. I guess you better get on the phone and tell the NBA their contract is wrong. Share some of your agent knowledge with them or something as they apparently need the help.

Here, right out of the contract for your nappy ass:

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_4.php


(1) A First Round Pick, immediately upon selection in the Draft, shall be included in the Team Salary of the Team that holds his draft rights at 100% of his applicable Rookie Scale Amount, and, subject to Section 4(e)(2) below, shall continue to be included in the Team Salary of any Team that holds his draft rights (including any Team to which the player’s draft rights are assigned) until such time as the player signs with such Team or until the Team loses or assigns its exclusive draft rights to the player.

What does 4(e)(2) state you ask?


In the event that a First Round Pick signs with a non-NBA team, the player’s applicable Rookie Scale Amount shall be excluded from the Team Salary of the Team that holds his draft rights, beginning on the date he signs such non-NBA contract or the first day of the Regular Season, whichever is later, and shall be included again in his Team’s Team Salary at the applicable Rookie Scale Amount on the following July 1 or the date the player’s contract ends (or the player is released from his non-NBA contractual obligations), whichever is earlier, unless the Team renounces its exclusive rights to the player in accordance with Article X, Section 4(f).

So to answer your question, agent boy, the day Tiago signed his new deal with Pau he came off the books.

Like I said, find your way to the kiddie pool. That or buy some floaties. At the least shut the fuck up about the CBA already, you know less about it than Laker fan knows about women.

[ss1986v2]

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#14


The "scale" amount for the team's unsigned first-round draft pick(s) (see question number 43). This amount begins applying to the team's team salary immediately upon selection in the draft. However, this is not the same as his trade value (see question number 71).

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#43


Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary. An incident occurred prior to the 1997-98 season when Vancouver's first round pick, Antonio Daniels, revealed in an interview that he and the team had verbally agreed to a contract starting at the maximum salary (120% of the scale amount). Since verbal agreements apply to the salary cap, the league then changed the team's cap figure from the scale amount to 120% of scale.

Once a first round pick signs a contract, his actual salary is included in the team salary, of course.

Unsigned second round picks are not included in team salary. This is a loophole that Houston once tried to use by trading a first round pick for a second round pick in order to clear cap room.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Like I said agent........spurs have rights to 4 over seas player and T Splitter is one, a first round pick that will not be on the spurs payroll untill he signs if he does.....we drafted him in 07 .....does anyone see his salary on our cap? No but we still hold his rights..Can anyone argue that fact? That is a quote from the Agents Hand book

He's not counted because he's under contract over seas.

Yes, we still own his rights, but that's not why he doesn't count.

That is a quote from the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, which also states that your agents hand book is fucking stupid and you're full of shit.