1st Presidential Debate Blog

[Crookshanks]

What I find interesting is that people SAY they want the candidates to be more specific and point out the weaknesses of the other candidate; but then we hear that the independents are turned off by the angry tone, etc.

You can't have it both ways - maybe that's why they're independents - because they can't really take a stand and they just want everyone to play nicely together in the sandbox.

Me - I want them to take the gloves off and really go at it. I would love for McCain to look Obama in the eye and say "your own running mate said you weren't qualified to be President", so why should the american people think any differently?

[T Park]

CBS doesn't conduct the poll. They have a public resarch company that handles it such as gallup etc etc. The name of the company is right there in that picture.

The point is that whatever you feel about the news agency the conducting of these polls is done by 3rd parties who are not biased.

Good to know.

Hopefully Rasmussen and others come out with stuff later.



Im so cynical now a days I don't know who to believe.

Sucks.

[Yonivore]

CBS doesn't conduct the poll. They have a public resarch company that handles it such as gallup etc etc. The name of the company is right there in that picture.

The point is that whatever you feel about the news agency the conducting of these polls is done by 3rd parties who are not biased.
Like Zogby?

Also, polls are conducted in a myriad of ways with all results given back to the customer (CBS) for them to present in any manner they want. That's why the internals are important.

[Mr. Peabody]

CBS doesn't conduct the poll. They have a public resarch company that handles it such as gallup etc etc. The name of the company is right there in that picture.

The point is that whatever you feel about the news agency the conducting of these polls is done by 3rd parties who are not biased.

I think TPark is worried that Dan Rather is personally calling the poll participants and trying to sway the results of the polls.

[T Park]

What I find interesting is that people SAY they want the candidates to be more specific and point out the weaknesses of the other candidate; but then we hear that the independents are turned off by the angry tone, etc.

You can't have it both ways - maybe that's why they're independents - because they can't really take a stand and they just want everyone to play nicely together in the sandbox.

Me - I want them to take the gloves off and really go at it. I would love for McCain to look Obama in the eye and say "your own running mate said you weren't qualified to be President", so why should the american people think any differently?



God depending on the reaction, that could gain McCain some serious votes IMO.

But he won't do it. It might "anger" some people.

[T Park]

I think TPark is worried that Dan Rather is personally calling the poll participants and trying to sway the results of the polls.

No I'm worried about any media entity swaying the poll results.

[whottt]

Their ability or inability to remark intelligently is not irrelevant. The fact that she could not even be relied upon to parrot the points McCain made in the previous 2 hours is VERY telling.


As is the fact that they edited out the previous 2 times she was asked that question.

Just like ABC chopped off the first part of her anwer to the foreign policy question to get the sound bit they wanted.

Don't tell me they do that Obama...

Why should she give interviews to corrupt new sources?

Why? It only costs them the stupid vote every time they do it.

She should do only Fox interviews until the media stop smearing her.

Sorry but they are biased and dishonest and deliberately trying to manipulate the perception of her.

It would be one thing if the American public was aware of it and saw through, but evidentally a great many of them are too ignorant to do.

IF they did that shit to Obama, I guarantee you he wouldn't be doing interviews with them either.

[Spurminator]

I'm pretty cynical myself, particularly when it comes to partisan politics, but I feel better about both candidates after this debate. I may be in the minority here, but I am content with either of them as President.

Now, where I begin to get angry again is when I watch the post-debate analysis shows on various networks parading party yes-men out for analysis on the debate, all shitting out the same talking points as evidence that their guy won. And I get damn near homicidal lately when I see Giuliani's smug lying face.

[Spurminator]

As is the fact that they edited out the previous 2 times she was asked that question.

Why should she give interviews to corrupt new sources?

Why? It only costs them the stupid vote every time they do it.

She should do only Fox interviews until the media stop smearing her.

Sorry but they are biased and dishonest and deliberately trying to manipulate the perception of her..

IF they did that shit to Obama, I guarantee you he wouldn't be doing interviews with them either.


They're not going to edit a LIVE 2 minute post debate interview.

[Yonivore]

I don't care who you are, this is funny:


"I've got a bracelet." "I've got a bracelet too!" Are these serious adults running for president, or is this summer camp?

[ChumpDumper]

As is the fact that they edited out the previous 2 times she was asked that question.

Why should she give interviews to corrupt new sources?

Why? It only costs them the stupid vote every time they do it.

She should do only Fox interviews until the media stop smearing her.

Sorry but they are biased and dishonest and deliberately trying to manipulate the perception of her..

IF they did that shit to Obama, I guarantee you he wouldn't be doing interviews with them either.:lol

She needs to be protected from the big, bad media!

But she's tough and ready to be president!

[Yonivore]

They're not going to edit a LIVE 2 minute post debate interview.
No, in those they ambush.

[Yonivore]

Where'd Shasta go? Still googling Kissinger?

[Mr. Peabody]

No I'm worried about any media entity swaying the poll results.

I know what you were saying. I was just joking. I actually find the Fox News polls (not the internet polls, but their real election polls) to be fairly accurate (and obviously, I don't care for Fox News). Very rarely is a Fox News poll an outlier.

I don't trust The Daily Kos/Research 2000 Poll (again, not an internet poll, an actual poll) because it was an outlier when they first started posting it. Now it is in line with other polls.

[Spurminator]

"Oh yeah? I've got TWO bracelets!" Troop scoreboard bitch!

[ploto]

What I find interesting is that people SAY they want the candidates to be more specific and point out the weaknesses of the other candidate; but then we hear that the independents are turned off by the angry tone, etc.

I have not heard poeple say they want the candidates to point out the weaknesses of the other person. People do not like all that mudslinging. I hear people say they want to hear from the candidate what he or she will do specifically. That is an entirely different thing.

[whottt]

They're not going to edit a LIVE 2 minute post debate interview.


Why wouldn't they? They are doing everything in their power to destroy her, and they've already proven it to anyone with an objective mind.


They don't want her in Washington...that right there is reason enough to put her there.

[ChumpDumper]

They're not going to edit a LIVE 2 minute post debate interview.They will!

They're corrupt!

You have no idea the lengths they will go to to make my delicate flower look bad!

She must be protected!

[MannyIsGod]

"Oh yeah? I've got TWO bracelets!" Troop scoreboard bitch!


Battle of the Bracelets was fucking ridiculous. :lol

[Spurminator]

Why wouldn't they?

:lmao

Thanks.

[TheMadHatter]

Why wouldn't they? They are doing everything in their power to destroy her, and they've already proven it to anyone with an objective mind.


They don't want her in Washington...that right there is reason enough to put her there.

She's doing everything she can to ruin herself. Bush has set the bar INCREDIBLY low for future presidential/VP candidates. You really have to try hard to go lower than that, and Palin has done so in exquisite fashion.

[Spurminator]

Battle of the Bracelets was fucking ridiculous. :lol


The best part was they both got in "Kenyan immigrant father" and "Prisoner of War" in the last couple of minutes. Whew, that was close!

[Yonivore]

Battle of the Bracelets was fucking ridiculous. :lol
Particularly when Obama had to read the name on his.

Reminded me of when we all got those MIA/POW bracelets after Vietnam.

[whottt]

:lol

She needs to be protected from the big, bad media!

But she's tough and ready to be president!


The dishonesty is stunning.

[ChumpDumper]

The dishonesty is stunning.It's pretty much exactly what you said, so yes, I am parroting your dishonesty.

You're pissed you picked such a horrible candidate.

[Spurminator]

Particularly when Obama had to read the name on his.

I caught that, but I also caught McCain checking his before he started talking. I thought he was checking his watch at the time but when he pointed out the bracelet it was obvious.

[ElNono]

As is the fact that they edited out the previous 2 times she was asked that question.

Just like ABC chopped off the first part of her anwer to the foreign policy question to get the sound bit they wanted.

Don't tell me they do that Obama...

Why should she give interviews to corrupt new sources?

Why? It only costs them the stupid vote every time they do it.

She should do only Fox interviews until the media stop smearing her.

Sorry but they are biased and dishonest and deliberately trying to manipulate the perception of her.

It would be one thing if the American public was aware of it and saw through, but evidentally a great many of them are too ignorant to do.

IF they did that shit to Obama, I guarantee you he wouldn't be doing interviews with them either.

Well, she ain't showing up on Fox either. This woman could potentially have to lead this country, and she has basically done 3 interviews so far. People need to know her. See who she is and what she thinks.

Like I said earlier, this is getting ridiculous at this point...

[ChumpDumper]

Well, she ain't showing up on Fox either. This woman could potentially have to lead this country, and she has basically done 3 interviews so far. People need to know her. See who she is and what she thinks.

Like I said earlier, this is getting ridiculous at this point...She's at a bar, dude. I don't know how you could ask any more of a VP candidate.

[Yonivore]

Well, she ain't showing up on Fox either. This woman could potentially have to lead this country, and she has basically done 3 interviews so far. People need to know her. See who she is and what she thinks.

Like I said earlier, this is getting ridiculous at this point...
Well, if she ever does hit the circuit and, I believe she will, this will all be moot. Now, won't it?

[MannyIsGod]

Whottt at this point Pallin's own mother thinks she sucks. You're the last one in that fort.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, if she ever does hit the circuit and, I believe she will, this will all be moot. Now, won't it?Then it will be whether she continues to look like an idiot, and I believe she will.

[MannyIsGod]

Two SUSA polls - one in CA and the other in Washington.

Actually I won't even bother posting the CA results, you can guess who won in taht one.

:lol

Of all debate watchers:
40% say McCain was the clear winner.
38% say Obama was the clear winner.
23% say there was no clear winner.

Those were the results for WA. Slight lead for McCain but it is a statistical tie since its within the MOE. Nonetheless, the best result so far for McCain.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=4e41a641-6f4e-4551-9394-c067418453c3

[Mr. Peabody]

Well, if she ever does hit the circuit and, I believe she will, this will all be moot. Now, won't it?

There's less than six weeks left. When are you predicting she will "hit the circuit"? And if it's with only two or three weeks left, is that enough time in the media?

[ploto]

Well, if she ever does hit the circuit and, I believe she will, this will all be moot. Now, won't it?

Actualy no. The fact that she still is not ready speaks volumes. The fact that she could not simply speak for a couple of minutes after the first debate to be McCain's cheerleader is pathetic no matter what she does later- especially after her awful appearances this week.

[T Park]

Two SUSA polls - one in CA and the other in Washington.

Actually I won't even bother posting the CA results, you can guess who won in taht one.

:lol

Of all debate watchers:
40% say McCain was the clear winner.
38% say Obama was the clear winner.
23% say there was no clear winner.

Those were the results for WA. Slight lead for McCain but it is a statistical tie since its within the MOE. Nonetheless, the best result so far for McCain.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=4e41a641-6f4e-4551-9394-c067418453c3


Thats shocking.

[T Park]

To me it seems Palin could do no right

[Yonivore]

Actualy no. The fact that she still is not ready speaks volumes. The fact that she could not simply speak for a couple of minutes after the first debate to be McCain's cheerleader is pathetic no matter what she does later- especially after her awful appearances this week.
It only speaks to you...

Politics is played from news cycle to news cycle...which, by the way, gets shorter every day.

This election could truly hinge on what happens November 1.

[ChumpDumper]

To me it seems Palin could do no rightI think she would be a hit on "Fox and Friends."

[whottt]

It's pretty much exaclty

Sorry, but I can take anyone seriously that doesn't have enough pride to proofread and correct their typos.

[Kriz-Maxima]

To me it seems Palin could do no right

Unless you consider constant hiding right.

[baseline bum]

To me it seems Palin could do no right

Yes, by ducking the American people she is doing wrong by them.

[Mr. Peabody]

She's at a bar, dude. I don't know how you could ask any more of a VP candidate.

She should be holed up in a hotel room prepping. Almost like the scene in The Paper Chase where the maid walks in and the students have literally wallpapered the room with study notes.

[ChumpDumper]

It only speaks to you...

Politics is played from news cycle to news cycle...which, by the way, gets shorter every day.

This election could truly hinge on what happens November 1.Somebody ask him what he thinks of Palin's performance thus far.

[whottt]

I think she wouoldp be a hit on "Fox and Friends."


That's twice.

[Yonivore]

To me it seems Palin could do no right
I think this is indicative of the treatment she is getting:

Washington Post reporter rudely dodges my Sarah Palin questions (http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/granju/2008/09/washington-post-reporter-rudel.html)

Seems to me they just make shit up out of thin air.

[ploto]

It only speaks to you...

Politics is played from news cycle to news cycle...which, by the way, gets shorter every day.

This election could truly hinge on what happens November 1.

You have any clue how many pepole will have already voted before November 1??

[baseline bum]

That's twice.

llo :lol

[whottt]

Yes, by ducking the American people she is doing wrong by them.


And the media by editing her inteviews is doing wrong by them as well...

[T Park]

Yes, by ducking the American people she is doing wrong by them.

:lol

Shes ducking the American people?

Wow.

[Yonivore]

So you're banking on a Hail Sarah?
Just stating current political realities. This debate will have been forgotten by the next.

She has a debate on the 2nd of October.

[whottt]

If the media isn't trying to manipulate the perception of her...then why do they keep editing those interviews?

[ElNono]

Well, if she ever does hit the circuit and, I believe she will, this will all be moot. Now, won't it?

To me it would. I thought she would come out tonight, considering that McCain did ok on the debate. I was on vacations overseas when she did the convention, and kept reading here how great she looked. When I came back, I wanted to know more about her, and she is basically nowhere to be found. I saw the Couric interview where she was pretty awful IMHO, but even if I wanted to take a second look, I can't. She's nowhere to be found.

[T Park]

And the media by editing her inteviews is doing wrong by them as well...

The media biased against palin since day 1?

Noooooo

[DarkReign]

:rolleyes Spelling smack...cmooon...

[Crookshanks]

Palin was at a debate watching party in Philadelphia. You know, with people in a SWING STATE - the people she needs to reach out to.

[baseline bum]

:lol

Shes ducking the American people?

Wow.

Absolutely. If you're running to become the most powerful person in the world, you better answer some difficult questions to them.

[T Park]

If the media isn't trying to manipulate the perception of her...then why do they keep editing those interviews?


They're being "fair and balanced" apparently I guess.

[ChumpDumper]

That's twice.When I write a blog that I want you to take seriously, you'll have a point.

Sorry Palin sucks so badly. I know it's tough to face.

[T Park]

Absolutely. If you're running to become the most powerful person in the world, you better answer some difficult questions to them.


If you can't trust then interviewer then what?

[Mr. Peabody]

If the media isn't trying to manipulate the perception of her...then why do they keep editing those interviews?

Because they don't edit other interviews......?

[T Park]

:rolleyes Spelling smack...cmooon...

Berry veak IMO :hat COLD BEER

[Spurminator]

To me it seems Palin could do no right

There's going to be a lot of that in politics, T Park. There are Democrats who would criticize and mock the Republican VP no matter who he/she is just as there are Republicans who would defend a pile of dirty socks that was nominated on their ticket.

I think the assault on Palin's personal life early on rallied Republicans to support her. But if you look past all of the muck on both sides what you find is a candidate for Vice President of the United States who is clearly in way over her head, so much so that her party is keeping her hidden like Madonna's baby.

[ChumpDumper]

If the media isn't trying to manipulate the perception of her...then why do they keep editing those interviews?Why does Palin look like an idiot in the unedited segments too?

[T Park]

Because they don't edit other interviews......?


So that makes it right?

Well its done to everyone else.

[ploto]

It did not take any editing job for Palin to look stupid with Couric. Sarah accomplished that all by herself.

[Yonivore]

By the way, have any of the networks claim to have been turned down for an interview with Palin? Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but, I don't recall any of the networks saying they were trying to get Palin on and couldn't.

Maybe they're not asking...

I saw her doing a sit down on some trash show my wife watches at 6:30...Entertainment Tonight, I think

[baseline bum]

If you can't trust then interviewer then what?

Every reporter wants to trip up every politician. It's great for ratings. Obama, Biden, and McCain don't go running for the hills when the media calls.

[DarkReign]

Then why doesnt Palin appear on Fox?

We all know its a common ground for her, she'd never be as comfortable anywhere else...

I mean, lets get real here, she has fallen off the fucking map since she accepted the VP nomination!

What
The
FUck.

[Yonivore]

It did not take any editing job for Palin to look stupid with Couric. Sarah accomplished that all by herself.
That interview was heavily edited.

[ploto]

Palin was at a debate watching party in Philadelphia. You know, with people in a SWING STATE - the people she needs to reach out to.

I think they have this thing now where they can interview people in other places.

[baseline bum]

By the way, have any of the networks claim to have been turned down for an interview with Palin? Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but, I don't recall any of the networks saying they were trying to get Palin on and couldn't.

Maybe they're not asking...

I saw her doing a sit down on some trash show my wife watches at 6:30...Entertainment Tonight, I think

A couple of hours ago Wolf Blitzer said he'd love to have Palin on but she wouldn't come to CNN.

[Yonivore]

A couple of hours ago Wolf Blitzer said he'd love to have Palin on but she wouldn't come to CNN.
I wouldn't go on CNN. We all have standards.

Are the networks making a deal about this? If not, why not?

[Yonivore]

I think they have this thing now where they can interview people in other places.
Maybe they didn't want to interview her in a friendly environment.

[DarkReign]

By the way, have any of the networks claim to have been turned down for an interview with Palin? Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but, I don't recall any of the networks saying they were trying to get Palin on and couldn't.

Maybe they're not asking...

I saw her doing a sit down on some trash show my wife watches at 6:30...Entertainment Tonight, I think

I hope YOU are fucking joking?

Youre smart, youre obviously interested and motivated.

But there comes a point in those excuses when you have to take an honest stock of a given situation.

You sir, are falling very short of that very low hurdle.

[ChumpDumper]

Palin was at a debate watching party in Philadelphia. You know, with people in a SWING STATE - the people she needs to reach out to.She was in a bar. How many people did she reach?

[ploto]

By the way, have any of the networks claim to have been turned down for an interview with Palin? Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but, I don't recall any of the networks saying they were trying to get Palin on and couldn't.

Yes- they specifically said (I think it was CNN) that they invited both Palin and Biden and Palin declined.

[Spurminator]

By the way, have any of the networks claim to have been turned down for an interview with Palin? Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but, I don't recall any of the networks saying they were trying to get Palin on and couldn't.

Maybe they're not asking...

I saw her doing a sit down on some trash show my wife watches at 6:30...Entertainment Tonight, I think

Brian Williams, after tonight's debate, said NBC extended an invitation to Palin for an interview and she declined. They interviewed Biden and Giuliani.

[sook]

That interview was heavily edited.

they haven't released some of the other stuff that would her look even more pathetic, thank CBS for that.

[DarkReign]

I wouldn't go on CNN. We all have standards.

Are the networks making a deal about this? If not, why not?

FOX would have her on faster than the Pope prays.

[ChumpDumper]

By the way, have any of the networks claim to have been turned down for an interview with Palin? Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but, I don't recall any of the networks saying they were trying to get Palin on and couldn't.

Maybe they're not asking...

I saw her doing a sit down on some trash show my wife watches at 6:30...Entertainment Tonight, I think
O

M

G

That's the funniest, most ridiculous fucking thing he's posted in a long time -- and that's saying something.

[T Park]

There's going to be a lot of that in politics, T Park. There are Democrats who would criticize and mock the Republican VP no matter who he/she is just as there are Republicans who would defend a pile of dirty socks that was nominated on their ticket.

I think the assault on Palin's personal life early on rallied Republicans to support her. But if you look past all of the muck on both sides what you find is a candidate for Vice President of the United States who is clearly in way over her head, so much so that her party is keeping her hidden like Madonna's baby.


Because IMO, everytime she does an interview or says something its spun or played into something bad.

I'm sick of turning on the TV and seeing the Olberman's of the world dominating the freaking media and being so blatantly on one side of the aisle.

[ploto]

EVERY network that interviewed Biden mentioned that they invited them both and Palin declined.

[sook]

I wouldn't go on CNN. We all have standards.

Are the networks making a deal about this? If not, why not?

Every news station is biased, but to the extent that fox news is makes you want to vomit. They have the biggest hypocritical bastard on television, one that has surpassed Bill O reilly in hate, Sean Hannity.:ihit

[DarkReign]

O

M

G

That's the funniest, most ridiculous fucking thing he's posted in a long time -- and that's saying something.

Thats why I am interested in his rationale behind such a claim. It borders on severely delusional.

[Spurminator]

Yonivore is smart enough to know that every network would kill to have Palin on because the ratings would be through the roof. But he's intellectually dishonest enough to suggest that they're avoiding her.

[baseline bum]

I wouldn't go on CNN. We all have standards.

Are the networks making a deal about this? If not, why not?

Big surprise. :lol

Who would ever expect anything but partisan bullshit out of you?

[whottt]

:rolleyes Spelling smack...cmooon...




It's petty of me, but I can't take a blog seriously when it says something like "There are claims that Zogby, a polling giant in America, is bias in gathering research data."




So you're bias against bad typers?




I say he's careless. If he doesn't care enough to proof his work, I don't care enough to read it.

[T Park]

Every reporter wants to trip up every politician. It's great for ratings. Obama, Biden, and McCain don't go running for the hills when the media calls.

They're smoother and better made for it.

They're better made to be BS artists.

McCain and Biden cause they've been in Washington for so freaking long, and Obama just cause hes got a natural built in bullshitomiter

[Spurminator]

Because IMO, everytime she does an interview or says something its spun or played into something bad.

I'm sick of turning on the TV and seeing the Olberman's of the world dominating the freaking media and being so blatantly on one side of the aisle.

So quit watching that shit. There are plenty of news options besides MSNBC and Fox News.

[ElNono]

Then why doesnt Palin appear on Fox?

We all know its a common ground for her, she'd never be as comfortable anywhere else...

I mean, lets get real here, she has fallen off the fucking map since she accepted the VP nomination!

What
The
FUck.

Exactly what I was going to write. If you suspect smearing, go to Fox. They would actually ask you the easy questions, and edit the interview to make you look good.
And don't tell me a guy like Hannity wouldn't love to have an entire show with her as a guest.

[T Park]

Every news station is biased, but to the extent that fox news is makes you want to vomit. They have the biggest hypocritical bastard on television, one that has surpassed Bill O reilly in hate, Sean Hannity.:ihit


Yeah and MSNBC is very down the middle.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll cherry pick quotes and heavily edit them so I'll be doing what I accuse the big, bad media of doing to my delicate flower, Sarah.

God, I love her!

[T Park]

So quit watching that shit. There are plenty of news options besides MSNBC and Fox News.

CNN?

and.....

[DarkReign]

@ Whottt

Ahhh, got it. Inside thing. My bad.

[baseline bum]

They're smoother and better made for it.

They're better made to be BS artists.

McCain and Biden cause they've been in Washington for so freaking long, and Obama just cause hes got a natural built in bullshitomiter

Maybe it's because all three of them are 10x smarter than Palin.

[DarkReign]

They're smoother and better made for it.

They're better made to be BS artists.

McCain and Biden cause they've been in Washington for so freaking long, and Obama just cause hes got a natural built in bullshitomiter


Define "smooth", TPark.

In Presidential terms, since that is the severity of this query.

EDITED: shit wrong quote

[T Park]

Maybe it's because all three of them are 10x smarter than Palin.


Maybe.

Or Maybe because they are all full of shit.

[Spurminator]

CNN?

and.....

Really you should just avoid the cable stations in prime time altogether if you're looking to avoid the partisan bullshit. It's news entertainment, it's not news.

[Yonivore]

I hope YOU are fucking joking?

Youre smart, youre obviously interested and motivated.

But there comes a point in those excuses when you have to take an honest stock of a given situation.

You sir, are falling very short of that very low hurdle.
Well, the media isn't playing up her absence as much as you guys are. Personally, I think it's much ado about nothing.

She gave Charlie Gibson 2 days...

Who know how long Katie Couric ran tape until she had enough to edit down into a hit piece.

Besides, the media doesn't seem too interested in her side of the story on a wide ranges of issues...but, they'll throw up one of the 20% of Alaskans who don't like her in a heartbeat.

[T Park]

Define "smooth", TPark.

In Presidential terms, since that is the severity of this query.

Define smooth?

Obama is smooth, with his delivery.

McCain is smooth in how he talks about military and what not.

Bill Clinton is smooth all around.

If they don't know an answer they just BS it and make it seem like they know it.

[Xylus]

I feel sorry for America when our two leading presidential candidates think their bracelets and Kissinger's opinion somehow take precedence over the country's foreign policy.

[T Park]

Really you should just avoid the cable stations in prime time altogether if you're looking to avoid the partisan bullshit. It's news entertainment, it's not news.


:lol

Then whos left?

CBS NBC ABC are all the same way.

Thats what I mean :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Well, the media isn't playing up her absence as much as you guys are. Personally, I think it's much ado about nothing.

She gave Charlie Gibson 2 days...

Who know how long Katie Couric ran tape until she had enough to edit down into a hit piece.

Besides, the media doesn't seem too interested in her side of the story on a while ranges of issues...but, they'll throw up on the 20% of Alaskans who don't like her in a heartbeat.So you expected the networks to run two days of footage of a VP candidate.

You really do have a high opinion of her.

Except you don't.

Protect her!

[whottt]

Why does Palin look like an idiot in the unedited segments too?

For the same reason you thought Barry was a pussy and deserved to be playing behind Beno Udrih and Devin Brown in 2004 because Pop was benching him.

IOW...

She doesn't...you're just an asshole.

[DarkReign]

Define smooth?

Obama is smooth, with his delivery.

McCain is smooth in how he talks about military and what not.

Bill Clinton is smooth all around.

If they don't know an answer they just BS it and make it seem like they know it.

I can go with that. But being able to even appear to have knowledge on a subject, one must have a least a "passing" knowledge of said subject.

Palin cannot even display that so far in her pequilar lack of televsision time.

[sook]

Yeah and MSNBC is very down the middle.

msnbc is pretty bad too, 2 most biased srry i left that out

[ChumpDumper]

Here's where I try to change the subject and inflame the discussion because I am angry that my delicate flower is being picked upon!

I must protect her!Damn this is funny.

[T Park]

I can go with that. But being able to even appear to have knowledge on a subject, one must have a least a "passing" knowledge of said subject.

Palin cannot even display that so far in her pequilar lack of televsision time.

But shes not a professional politician like these others are IMO.

What I take for as not polished and trained, I guess others take as stupid.

To each their own.

[T Park]

God what crawled up Chump's butt tonight?

[sook]

Well, the media isn't playing up her absence as much as you guys are. Personally, I think it's much ado about nothing.

She gave Charlie Gibson 2 days...

Who know how long Katie Couric ran tape until she had enough to edit down into a hit piece.

Besides, the media doesn't seem too interested in her side of the story on a wide ranges of issues...but, they'll throw up one of the 20% of Alaskans who don't like her in a heartbeat.

there are 3 parts to it, all on youtube, obviously not all of it. Trust me the piece about health care didn't get released till recently, Palin should be thanking them for showing her best pieces

[whottt]

Brian Williams, after tonight's debate, said NBC extended an invitation to Palin for an interview and she declined. They interviewed Biden and Giuliani.

Yeah..and NBC is heavily in the tank for Obama.

She's not in over her head. She'll just do just fine.

I know one thing...anyone that votes against her loses the right to bitch about the typical politicians in Washington DC over the next 4 years.

You vote for a Harvard Grad, like W, over a real person, supported by the most powerful multinational media entities in the world, and it's two wealthies men...you get what you deserve. You get every fucking bit of what you deserve.

[ChumpDumper]

But shes not a professional politician like these others are IMO.

What I take for as not polished and trained, I guess others take as stupid.

To each their own.Some would say she's not ready.

[T Park]

What i hated tonight was the "I saw it, WELL I SAW IT TOO!!!"

Good lord.

Just say, I agree with whoever, I saw it as well and wish whatever.

[Yonivore]

Unedited Palin Interview with Charlie Gibson (http://poligazette.com/2008/09/13/unedited-palin-interview/)

Can't find one of the Couric interview...yet.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah..and NBC is heavily in the tank for Obama.

Biden was on Fox.

[sook]

Yeah..and NBC is heavily in the tank for Obama.

She's not in over her head. She'll just do just fine.

I know one thing...anyone that votes against her loses the right to bitch about the typical politicians in Washington DC over the next 4 years.

You vote for a Harvard Grad, like W, over a real person, supported by the most powerful multinational media entities in the world, and it's two wealthies men...you get what you deserve. You get every fucking bit of what you deserve.

If bush is a harvard grad, i can guarantee you its b.c he's rich.

Obama was a poor boy living with a single mother.

[T Park]

Some would say she's not ready.


Thats fine you could say that.

I preffered Romney only because hes actually run a business, but, they all panicked over the "how many houses they own" culture warefare bullshit.

[DarkReign]

Well, the media isn't playing up her absence as much as you guys are. Personally, I think it's much ado about nothing.

She gave Charlie Gibson 2 days...

Who know how long Katie Couric ran tape until she had enough to edit down into a hit piece.

Besides, the media doesn't seem too interested in her side of the story on a wide ranges of issues...but, they'll throw up one of the 20% of Alaskans who don't like her in a heartbeat.

To say that second-to-last sentence of yours...


Besides, the media doesn't seem too interested in her side of the story on a wide ranges of issues

...is disingenuous doesnt even to begin to describe the level of self-delusion you must labor thru in order to reach such a preposterous conclusion. It confounds me beyond my limits of reasonable discussion.

[sook]

Unedited Palin Interview with Charlie Gibson (http://poligazette.com/2008/09/13/unedited-palin-interview/)

Can't find one of the Couric interview...yet.

Like i said, its to Palin's advantage that all of it isn't being showed, the questions being asked to her didn't require that much of a thought process anyways. From watching the new all thetime i could have answered them better.

[ChumpDumper]

Thats fine you could say that.

I preffered Romney only because hes actually run a business, but, they all panicked over the "how many houses they own" culture warefare bullshit.I think the Mormon issue was also pretty big.

[T Park]

Biden was on Fox.

Biden is a good guy,

I've said that from the beginning.

I just lost respect for him for taking the vice president's job and not standing by his "He is not ready for presidency, and I stand by that statement"

[Xylus]

To say that second-to-last sentence of yours...



...is disingenuous doesnt even to begin to describe the level of self-delusion you must labor thru in order to reach such a preposterous conclusion. It confounds me beyond my limits of reasonable discussion.

+1

[DarkReign]

If bush is a harvard grad, i can guarantee you its b.c he's rich.

Obama was a poor boy living with a single mother.

Fuck cmon, Bush is a Yale man on legacy alone.

[sook]

Thats fine you could say that.

I preffered Romney only because hes actually run a business, but, they all panicked over the "how many houses they own" culture warefare bullshit.

If it were, Romney i would be a Cain supporter today.

Talk about being qualified to run the economy

[T Park]

I think the Mormon issue was also pretty big.

Which is BS.

Just as much as it was BS in the 60s when Mr Kennedy ran for Prez.

[T Park]

If it were, Romney i would be a Cain supporter today.

Talk about being qualified to run the economy

Yeah Romney would've been fantastic as a VP.

Very smooth, very very intelligent on the economy.

[ChumpDumper]

Biden is a good guy,

I've said that from the beginning.

I just lost respect for him for taking the vice president's job and not standing by his "He is not ready for presidency, and I stand by that statement"McCain lost a couple of points with me with his flip-flops, but it has worked for him so far.

[Yonivore]

To say that second-to-last sentence of yours...

...is disingenuous doesnt even to begin to describe the level of self-delusion you must labor thru in order to reach such a preposterous conclusion. It confounds me beyond my limits of reasonable discussion.
How many reporters were dropped into to Alaska to dig up crap on Palin?

How many reporters have shown the least bit of interest in Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers.

[whottt]

Unedited Palin Interview with Charlie Gibson (http://poligazette.com/2008/09/13/unedited-palin-interview/)

Can't find one of the Couric interview...yet.


What's funny is they don't show in that Couric interview that she answered that question twice and then finally got fed up with Couric and said,


"I'll check and get back to you on it ok?"

Add "bitch" to the end of that sentence and you get an entirely different perspective on what she meant.


Total hit piece.

[ChumpDumper]

How many reporters were dropped into to Alaska to dig up crap on Palin?[quote]Several. Since no one knew anything about her, it was natural.

[quote]How many reporters have shown the least bit of interest in Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers.Several, since you posted every innuendo-laden article about it.

Too bad there just isn't that much to the story.

[Spurminator]

she answered that question twice

:lol

[T Park]

What's funny is they don't show in that Couric interview that she answered that question twice and then finally got fed up with Couric and said,


"I'll check and get back to you on it ok?"

Add "bitch" to the end of that sentence and you get an entirely different perspective on what she meant.


Total hit piece.


Yeah, Couric clearly went into that interview with an agenda.

Its sickening.

I would've rather seen good old Russert interview her.

Now there was a true right down the middle guy.

[T Park]

McCain lost a couple of points with me with his flip-flops, but it has worked for him so far.


Did Obama and his flip flops lose points with you as well?

[ChumpDumper]

Did Obama and his flip flops lose points with you as well?Yes, but I had more respect for McCain in the first place.

[whottt]

:lmao I bet if I check some old threads I can find everyone of these oldschool posters trashing Palin now saying Barry was a pussy in 2004....including Spurminator.

I definitely have a feeling of deja-vu.

[whottt]

:lmao I bet if I check some old threads I can find everyone of these oldschool posters trashing Palin now saying Barry was a pussy in 2004....including Spurminator.

I definitely have a feeling of deja-vu.


:lmao that was easy...first post I clicked on :lol


It's the exact same argument.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7539&highlight=Barry+Pussy&page=3

[Spurminator]

You will not find me ever saying that Barry is a pussy. I'll bet my right testicle (you may recall I offered my left testicle if we could sign Barry).

[whottt]

Click the link...you're in that thread.

True...you don't straight up call him a pussy....but you make your point in your own way.

[T Park]

I don't see what Brent Barry has to do with Sarah Palin honestly...

[ChumpDumper]

Barry was a pussy early in his Spur career.

He got better.

Palin currently sucks horribly with the press.

She could get better if people like you quit acting like pussies demanding she be protected.

[T Park]

Barry was a pussy early in his Spur career.

He got better.

Palin currently sucks horribly with the press.

She could get better if people like you quit acting like pussies demanding she be protected.

She could get better if she was treated as fairly as Obama and McCain.

[ploto]

So now you are attacking Couric for insisting that she actually answer the question that was posed?

I just can not get over the memory lapses of people. Media have treated all kinds of candidates the way she has been treated and even far worse. All this vicitmization makes me sick. If she does not like the edited pieces, then do a live interview like you were invited to by EVERY network tonight.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't see what Brent Barry has to do with Sarah Palin honestly...He's just trying to change the subject from protecting Palin.

I won't bite any further.

[ChumpDumper]

She could get better if she was treated as fairly as Obama and McCain.So go to Fox.

You guys fail to realize that the McCain campaign thinks she sucks so bad, she can't even go on FOX.

[ploto]

She could get better if she was treated as fairly as Obama and McCain.

Beno could get better if he was treated as fairly as NVE and Jacque. :lol

[T Park]

So now you are attacking Couric for insisting that she actually answer the question that was posed?

I just can not get over the memory lapses of people. Media have treated all kinds of candidates the way she has been treated and even far worse. All this vicitmization makes me sick. If she does not like the edited pieces, then do a live interview like you were invited to by EVERY network tonight.


Man, does it hurt being as big a sexist as you are?


BTW

Rasho still sucks, suck it up.

[whottt]

Barry was a pussy early in his Spur career.

He wasn't ever a pussy...you were just an asshole.

Beno and Devin were the pussies.




He got better.

Pop made it worse.




Palin currently sucks horribly with the press.

No she doesn't...she just gives more honest answers than most politicians do...and you don't like that.




She could get better if people like you quit acting like pussies demanding she be protected.

How'd Beno do Pop when started cutting his minutes?

How'd Beno do when he started getting the Barry treatment? Pussy indeed.


If they were doing the shit to Obama they are doing to her, he'd be the whiningest fucking bitch on planet Earth...in fact he already is.

[T Park]

Beno could get better if he was treated as fairly as NVE and Jacque. :lol

Give me a fucking break with the goddamn basketball analogies.

BTW, Beno is a pussy, GET OVER IT.

[Spurminator]

Click the link...you're in that thread.

True...you don't straight up call him a pussy....but you make your point in your own way.

I argued Barry shouldn't start. You were arguing Barry should be brought off the bench when scoring stagnated. Weren't we basically making the same point?

[T Park]

So go to Fox.

You guys fail to realize that the McCain campaign thinks she sucks so bad, she can't even go on FOX.


Link to where the campaign says that?

[TheMadHatter]

If Sarah Palin can't deal with the media there is absolutely no way she is ready to become VP and potentially CIC. Absolutely no way.

[ChumpDumper]

No she doesn't...she just gives more honest answers than most politicians do...and you don't like that. Yes, she honestly doesn't know what the hell she is doing, and I don't like that.

Neither do you, but you want to make excuses for her and protect her.

Pretty sexist of you.

[T Park]

Is Whottt comparing Beno to Palin now?

I can't keep up

sigh.

[dg7md]

If Sarah Palin can't deal with the media there is absolutely no way she is ready to become VP and potentially CIC. Absolutely no way.

Maybe god is telling her to avoid the media.

[ChumpDumper]

Link to where the campaign says that?You want a link to the Fox News schedule?

[Mr. Peabody]

Obama wins Fox News focus group -

wup4nsIWe8A
:wow:wow

[T Park]

If Sarah Palin can't deal with the media there is absolutely no way she is ready to become VP and potentially CIC. Absolutely no way.

Who says she can't deal?

Some people on a message board?

[T Park]

You want a link to the Fox News schedule?

Hilarious.

Any more partisan BS you wanna throw around?

[Cry Havoc]

So now you are attacking Couric for insisting that she actually answer the question that was posed?

I just can not get over the memory lapses of people. Media have treated all kinds of candidates the way she has been treated and even far worse. All this vicitmization makes me sick. If she does not like the edited pieces, then do a live interview like you were invited to by EVERY network tonight.

+1

The incessant defense of Sarah Palin is absolutely unfathomable. You're asking us to accept her because she's not part of the Washington political entity? FINE. But let us SEE her first. Hell, I've seen the Tina Fey skit more often and for longer durations than I have seen Sarah Palin since she was nominated.

Are you really going to tell me to accept a person who I've never heard of a month ago as viable for the 2nd (or one of the) most powerful position(s) in the world? It's absolutely ridiculous. The election is right around the corner and I have only seen Sarah Palin in one major spot (the RNC) and one solitary interview she did on TV.

People go through more rigorous checks on their stances on policies when they apply to work at Wendy's. And no, that's not hyperbole, sadly, though I wish it were.

STOP defending Sarah Palin. We aren't all out to rip her down. We're just fucking SCARED that someone we barely know might be our VP soon. I WANT TO KNOW WHO THIS WOMAN IS. If your daughter (or son) came home with the guy you met before they went on their first date last week and announced that she was marrying him, but that you couldn't see him until the wedding, wouldn't that piss you off just a little bit, too?

[ChumpDumper]

Hilarious.

Any more partisan BS you wanna throw around?So when is her next interview?

I believe the ratio between Biden's total interviews since the convention and hers is about 30:1.

[T Park]

This debate is painfull to watch.

[dg7md]

+1

The incessant defense of Sarah Palin is absolutely unfathomable. You're asking us to accept her because she's not part of the Washington political entity? FINE. But let us SEE her first. Hell, I've seen the Tina Fey skit more often and for longer durations than I have seen Sarah Palin since she was nominated.

Are you really going to tell me to accept a person who I've never heard of a month ago as viable for the 2nd (or one of the) most powerful position(s) in the world? It's absolutely ridiculous. The election is right around the corner and I have only seen Sarah Palin in one major spot (the RNC) and one solitary interview she did on TV.

People go through more rigorous checks on their stances on policies when they apply to work at Wendy's.

STOP defending Sarah Palin. We aren't all out to rip her down. We're just fucking SCARED that someone we barely know might be our VP soon. If your daughter (or son) came home with the guy you met before they went on their first date last week and announced that she was marrying him, but that you couldn't see him until the wedding, wouldn't that piss you off just a little bit, too?

Man, spread this around, this is something even the repubs can deal with, and rightfully many level-headed repubs are questioning her to date. Brilliant take on the subject and I agree fully.

[T Park]

So when is her next interview?

I believe the ratio between Biden's total interviews since the convention and hers is about 30:1.


I'm waiting on the link to the campaign supposedly "hiding" her.

And the campaign being embarassed of her.


you bring up the typial leftist "evil fox news" blah blah blah.

[Spurtacus]

Obama wins Fox News focus group -

wup4nsIWe8A
:wow:wow

Very nice.

[TheMadHatter]

Who says she can't deal?

Some people on a message board?

http://wonkette.com/403042/couricpalin-sexterview-part-iii-omg-you-are-so-awful-we-want-to-die

Watch please. Get back to me with your honest opinion of her answer to that specific question. Don't give me BS about the "librul" media, I don't want to hear that. I want you to give me your honest assessment of her answer to that question specifically.

[T Park]

Guess I should start saving up for my tax increases.

Fuck.

[Spurminator]

I'm waiting on the link to the campaign supposedly "hiding" her.

She's a VP candidate and she's never on TV/Radio/Print. A month and a half before the election. What more evidence do you need?

[whottt]

:lol

She did answer it and Couric kept asking her the same question and she got pissed off because she knew it was a hit job.


Just like she answered Gibson's question explaining that there are many ties between Russia and Alaska including economic ones not to mention shared maritime boundaries....and they edited that out for the I can see Russia from my house comment.


It's bullshit dude...don't tell me they do that to Obama...they've never done that to any politician in history prior to her. And it should be alarming to any sane person how corrupt they are.

They do not want this woman in Washington, becusase she doesn't fit the mold.


And it's not just the media...it's fucking google, it's fucking Microsoft.

[TheMadHatter]

I'm waiting on the link to the campaign supposedly "hiding" her.

And the campaign being embarassed of her.


you bring up the typial leftist "evil fox news" blah blah blah.

If you were following this election in any meaningful way you could clearly conclude that the reason the McCain camp is hiding Sarah Palin is because she comes across poorly in interviews.

There is no "librul" media conspiracy. Palin is flat out not good when she is unscripted. Stop making stupid statements, educate yourself.

[TheMadHatter]

She did answer it and Couric kept asking her the same question and she got pissed off because she knew it was a hit job.


Just like she answered Gibson's question explaining that there are many ties between Russia and Alaska including economic ones not to mention shared maritime boundaries....and they edited that out for the I can see Russia from my house comment.


It's bullshit dude...don't tell me they do that to Obama...they've never done to any politician in history prior to her.

And if they have I'd like to see it.

She didn't answer the question because she didn't know the answer. It's that simple.

[TheMadHatter]

Guess I should start saving up for my tax increases.

Fuck.

Do you make over $250,000? If not you don't need to worry, you'll actually get more tax breaks from Obama.

[T Park]

http://wonkette.com/403042/couricpalin-sexterview-part-iii-omg-you-are-so-awful-we-want-to-die

Watch please. Get back to me with your honest opinion of her answer to that specific question. Don't give me BS about the "librul" media, I don't want to hear that. I want you to give me your honest assessment of her answer to that question specifically.


So shes not coached.

Shocker.

[Spurminator]

She did answer it and Couric kept asking her the same question and she got pissed off because she knew it was a hit job.


Just like she answered Gibson's question explaining that there are many ties between Russia and Alaska including economic ones not to mention shared maritime boundaries....and they edited that out for the I can see Russia from my house comment.


It's bullshit dude...don't tell me they do that to Obama...they've never done to any politician in history prior to her.

And if they have I'd like to see it.


The question: Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

Palin's first response: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie--that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.

Palin's second response: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government.


Where is the answer?

[T Park]

Do you make over $250,000? If not you don't need to worry, you'll actually get more tax breaks from Obama.

Yeah I do.

Im considered very rich to him and the enemy.

Fuck him.

[T Park]

If you were following this election in any meaningful way you could clearly conclude that the reason the McCain camp is hiding Sarah Palin is because she comes across poorly in interviews.

There is no "librul" media conspiracy. Palin is flat out not good when she is unscripted. Stop making stupid statements, educate yourself.


No thanks, sorry if my opinions to you are "stupid"

Goodbye.

[dg7md]

Yeah I do.

Im considered very rich to him and the enemy.

Fuck him.

What about the struggling middle class? If you make that much, you have no reason to get more tax cuts than us struggling...

[T Park]

She's a VP candidate and she's never on TV/Radio/Print. A month and a half before the election. What more evidence do you need?


:lol

I guess I don't believe easily in "conspiracy" theories apparently.

[Spurminator]

And how did this become another fucking Palin thread???

My bad.

[Cry Havoc]

http://wonkette.com/403042/couricpalin-sexterview-part-iii-omg-you-are-so-awful-we-want-to-die

Watch please. Get back to me with your honest opinion of her answer to that specific question. Don't give me BS about the "librul" media, I don't want to hear that. I want you to give me your honest assessment of her answer to that question specifically.

A: snort can will health care eat potato cheap economy health poop cum umbrella face nose tax cut health penis eye stab number drink pepsi trade blah moose shit die cancer.

[T Park]

What about the struggling middle class? If you make that much, you have no reason to get more tax cuts than us struggling...


I have no reason to have my taxes raised.

I'm paying 45% in federal, not counting the income taxes i pay in Arizona and California as well.

Its not a case of me getting more than you.

Its a case of ALL of us. Thats the whole fucking point.

[Spurminator]

:lol

I guess I don't believe easily in "conspiracy" theories apparently.


Except for the one about the Media being out to make Palin look like an idiot, I guess.

[MannyIsGod]

Good thing this turned into a Palin thread. We needed another one of those. Maybe we can talk about Scola too?

[T Park]

Except for the one about the Media being out to make Palin look like an idiot, I guess.


Yeah Katie Couric is verrrry right down the middle :lol

whatever.

[ploto]

No way would people feel this need to defend her if she were a man.

[Spurminator]

Palin's the 2008 wedge issue. Cornered in an argument? Bring up Palin. Classic distraction. I got suckered into this one... I'm ashamed.

[TheMadHatter]

Do you make over $250,000? If not you don't need to worry, you'll actually get more tax breaks from Obama.

You don't make over $250,000.

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah Katie Couric is verrrry right down the middle :lol

whatever.

So it's Couric's fault that she can't answer questions about the economy that EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN wants and needs to know, about a month before she might be the VP?

Wow, that's awesome.

[T Park]

No way would people feel this need to defend her if she were a man.


:lol

wow....

[T Park]

So it's Couric's fault that she can't answer questions about the economy that EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN wants and needs to know, about a month before she might be the VP?

Wow, that's awesome.


When Katie Couric becomes an unbiased reporter you let me know.

[Cry Havoc]

Good thing this turned into a Palin thread. We needed another one of those. Maybe we can talk about Scola too?

Still think we should have traded Manu for Deng when we had the chance.

[ChumpDumper]

No way would people feel this need to defend her if she were a man.Or merely ugly.

[ploto]

Good thing this turned into a Palin thread. We needed another one of those. Maybe we can talk about Scola too?

Where's KillBill to tell us about all the offers for Palin from European countries?

[whottt]

The question: Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

Palin's first response: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie--that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.

Palin's second response: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government.


Where is the answer?

What is wrong those answers that requires asking the question a third time?

That's the best answer she had...and it's more than Obama has done....unless you count being paid by them.

Why keep asking the question?

[TheMadHatter]

So shes not coached.

Shocker.

You have no qualms voting for someone who is clearly not qualified for the office she seeks just because you want to see your "team" win.

Shocker.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't give a fuck who defends her on Spurstalk. When I see conservatives coming out in droves saying how bad she's doing I don't need to be convinced that there is some sort of stupid media conspiracy.

I don't understand why this is even debated to be quite frank. If people want to dilude themselves into believe such bullshit then no amount of linking or quoting or posting is going to change their mind. Truly openminded people saw through the bullshit - or moose shit rather - some time ago.

[ploto]

Or merely ugly.

I had written that and then deleted it before I posted. Seriously.

[TheMadHatter]

When Katie Couric becomes an unbiased reporter you let me know.

So Sean Hannity is unbiased right?

[T Park]

You have no qualms voting for someone who is clearly not qualified for the office she seeks just because you want to see your "team" win.

Shocker.


I'm voting against someone that wants to raise the fuck out of my taxes.

its not about goddamn teams.

[T Park]

So Sean Hannity is unbiased right?


Whos talking about Sean Hannity?

[ChumpDumper]

I had written that and then deleted it before I posted. Seriously.:lol

[TheMadHatter]

I don't give a fuck who defends her on Spurstalk. When I see conservatives coming out in droves saying how bad she's doing I don't need to be convinced that there is some sort of stupid media conspiracy.

I don't understand why this is even debated to be quite frank. If people want to dilude themselves into believe such bullshit then no amount of linking or quoting or posting is going to change their mind. Truly openminded people saw through the bullshit - or moose shit rather - some time ago.

The conservatives on this forum would defend a pair of tennis shoes if the Republican party nominated them for Presidency.

[MannyIsGod]

Where's KillBill to tell us about all the offers for Palin from European countries?

:lmao

Russian teams were offering Pallin 20 million Euros to be Putin's vice president. Palin can use this as proof she has foreign policy experience.

[Cry Havoc]

Back on subject:

According to an analysis by Congressional Quarterly, McCain has voted for bills favored by President Bush 90 percent of the time. The nonpartisan publication, which has analyzed voting by members of Congress since 1953, said the report took into account all legislation that Bush had taken a clear position on. It spans from the beginning of Bush's term to Congress's recess in August.

In the 100-member Senate, 14 current members — all Republicans — voted with Bush more than 90 percent of the time, according to the report. Six others have a 90 percent rating like McCain's. The report shows Obama voting with Bush 40 percent of the time and his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, voting with Bush 52 percent of the time during the course of his presidency.

Obama surrogates also frequently say McCain voted with Bush 95 percent of the time. This is a reference to the Republican senator's record in 2007. That was the highest percentage in the seven years studied. In 1995, McCain voted with Bush 77 percent of the time — his lowest percentage in those years. "The president and I agree on most issues," McCain said in a May 22, 2003 interview on Fox's "Your World with Neil Cavuto." "There was a recent study that showed that I voted with the president over 90 percent of the time, higher than a lot of my even Republican colleagues."

Yep. He's a real maverick, alright.

[whottt]

Except for the one about the Media being out to make Palin look like an idiot, I guess.


You really don't see it do you?

[Spurminator]

I think our leaders should boycott the media until they can be more balanced. No interviews, press conferences, nothing. That'll show the media!

[TheMadHatter]

I'm voting against someone that wants to raise the fuck out of my taxes.

its not about goddamn teams.

Exactly how much money do you make per year? I will tell you how much you "lose" by going back to Clinton level taxes

Odds are your lifestyle wouldn't change one iota and you'd be doing the country a lot of good by contributing to universal healthcare and educational reform instead of a stupid war in Iraq. C'mon, be a good Christian hypocrite.

[MannyIsGod]

Even I'm getting sucked into this shit now.

In a debate context things are set up perfectly for Palin. The bar is so fucking low she could show up with a bib and drool running down her fucking chin and still come out of the debate ok.

[T Park]

The conservatives on this forum would defend a pair of tennis shoes if the Republican party nominated them for Presidency.

:lol

Keep throwing that broad net out there and not being able to discern conservatives from Republicans jackass.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly how much money do you make per year? I will tell you how much you "lose" by going back to Clinton level taxesCrass.

Just give him the link to the calculator if he's interested.

[whottt]

I don't give a fuck who defends her on Spurstalk. When I see conservatives coming out in droves saying how bad she's doing I don't need to be convinced that there is some sort of stupid media conspiracy.

I don't understand why this is even debated to be quite frank. If people want to dilude themselves into believe such bullshit then no amount of linking or quoting or posting is going to change their mind. Truly openminded people saw through the bullshit - or moose shit rather - some time ago.


LOL this is classic from someone supporting Joe Biden for VP.

That guy is the biggest shit for brained idiot ever loosed upon a Presidential Ticket.

It's not even comparable.

[TheMadHatter]

:lol

Keep throwing that broad net out there and not being able to discern conservatives from Republicans jackass.

Did you vote for George Bush twice?

If so you lose the right to identify yourself as conservative. You're just stupid.

[Crookshanks]

I've not seen any mention of the interview she did with Sean Hannity. It aired for pretty much the entire hour for two nights in a row. And the ratings for it were through the roof. I watched it and I thought she sounded pretty geniune and articulate. But then again, Sean asked a question and then just shut up and let her talk - unlike Gibson and Couric.

[T Park]

Exactly how much money do you make per year? I will tell you how much you "lose" by going back to Clinton level taxes

Odds are your lifestyle wouldn't change one iota and you'd be doing the country a lot of good by contributing to universal healthcare and educational reform instead of a stupid war in Iraq. C'mon, be a good Christian hypocrite.


Fuck you.

I don't believe the goddamn government should be involved with Healthcare. I agree about educational reform, but I believe audits and checks should be done, throwing more money at it won't work. eliminating BS positions and spending money SMARTER would fix education alot better.


Its none of your business how much I make, but I make enough to where Obama wants to raise them.


Take your hypocritical Christian bullshit somewhere else.

[TheMadHatter]

I've not seen any mention of the interview she did with Sean Hannity. It aired for pretty much the entire hour for two nights in a row. And the ratings for it were through the roof. I watched it and I thought she sounded pretty geniune and articulate. But then again, Sean asked a question and then just shut up and let her talk - unlike Gibson and Couric.

Read what you wrote. Analyze. Come back to us.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL this is classic from someone supporting Joe Biden for VP.

That guy is the biggest shit for brained idiot ever loosed upon a Presidential Ticket.

It's not even comparable.

You're right its not even comparable. Biden hasn't ducked the media out of fear. Biden appeared on every network tonight and wasn't at a fucking bar. Biden may make a ton of gaffes, but Miss South Carolina and he don't share teh same answers unlike Palin.

You're god damn right its not compareable.

[T Park]

Did you vote for George Bush twice?

If so you lose the right to identify yourself as conservative. You're just stupid.


???

:lol

So I should've voted for John Kerry cause he was more conservative?

WTF kind of reasoning is that?

[ChumpDumper]

LOL this is classic from someone supporting Joe Biden for VP.

That guy is the biggest shit for brained idiot ever loosed upon a Presidential Ticket.

It's not even comparable.Joe looked ok on all three news networks tonight.

Palin?

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/photo_servlet?contentId=7525878&version=1&locale=EN-US&subtype=MIMG&siteId=1011&isP16=true

[Spurminator]

You really don't see it do you?

I think, at worst, the media magnifies her shortcomings. It's a bit of a characature but it's grounded in reality.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL this is classic from someone supporting Joe Biden for VP.

That guy is the biggest shit for brained idiot ever loosed upon a Presidential Ticket.

It's not even comparable.

Furthermore, when you get liberals coming out in droves to say Palin was a bad pick the way Conseravtives are right now then MAYBE they'll be comparable.

You can throw lipstick on a ignorant stupid bitch and she's still the same ignorant stupid bitch.

[T Park]

I'll say this as a conservative.

Obama as I'm watching this for the first time, overmatched McCain.

As I watch it now, hes clearly won IMO.

[MannyIsGod]

You know what, fuck Joe Biden. You put ME on that fucking stage with Sara Barracuda and I'll leave her looking stupid without needed all the damn coaching she's going to get.

[Yonivore]

Furthermore, when you get liberals coming out in droves to say Palin was a bad pick the way Conseravtives are right now then MAYBE they'll be comparable.

You can throw lipstick on a ignorant stupid bitch and she's still the same ignorant stupid bitch.

You did mean to say Biden, right?

Because even he said he was bad pick.

[whottt]

I think our leaders should boycott the media until they can be more balanced. No interviews, press conferences, nothing. That'll show the media!



Just fine one interview where they did it to Obama and I'll drop it.

[baseline bum]

Obama wins Fox News focus group -

wup4nsIWe8A
:wow:wow

These results on these polls tell me one of two things:

1) People are pissed at McCain for trying to chicken out of the debate and swung to Obama before the debate even began, and were seeing it through blue tinted glasses

- or -

2) The war in Iraq is even more unpopular than advertised, and people are supporting Barack for the way he killed McCain on the war in that one statement shown in the video above.

I honestly thought McCain did very well on the debate, but the American people disagree.

[Yonivore]

You know what, fuck Joe Biden. You put ME on that fucking stage with Sara Barracuda and I'll leave her looking stupid without needed all the damn coaching she's going to get.
Okay, I'd pay to see that.

[TheMadHatter]

Fuck you.

I don't believe the goddamn government should be involved with Healthcare. I agree about educational reform, but I believe audits and checks should be done, throwing more money at it won't work. eliminating BS positions and spending money SMARTER would fix education alot better.


Its none of your business how much I make, but I make enough to where Obama wants to raise them.


Take your hypocritical Christian bullshit somewhere else.

I'm not Christian, but most conservatives identify themselves as Christian but support a party that Jesus would vehemently oppose.

The "goddamn" government needs to be involve with healthcare on some level, to suggest otherwise is idiotic and ludicrous (have you ever heard of Medicare?). The fact of the matter is we need the government to perform certain functions for us as a society or we end up with economic crises like we are facing today due to ZERO government oversight.


eliminating BS positions and spending money SMARTER would fix education alot better.

I agree, clearly our education system failed you.

[Spurminator]

Just fine one interview where they did it to Obama and I'll drop it.

I'm not even arguing Obama isn't favored by the media. My perception has been that there's a pretty significant pro-Obama bias. That doesn't mean I think Palin's ineptitude is a media fabrication.

[MannyIsGod]

That (well is guess this is) was my last Palin post in this thread. She's really fucking stupid and if you can't see it and have to resort to claiming media bias or a conspiracy for this shit then you're either being intellectually dishonest or maybe Palin is smarter than you and you're not aware what intellectual dishonesty is but you know that when Putin rears his ugly head its time to blame Curic and the Obamessiah.

[TheMadHatter]

It's a double edged sword with Palin.

The media scrutinizes her every word BECAUSE she has refused to make herself available.

[Yonivore]

I'm not Christian, but most conservatives identify themselves as Christian but support a party that Jesus would vehemently oppose.
Okay, where will I find that in scripture?

[T Park]

I'm not Christian, but most conservatives identify themselves as Christian but support a party that Jesus would vehemently oppose.

The "goddamn" government needs to be involve with healthcare on some level, to suggest otherwise is idiotic and ludicrous (have you ever heard of Medicare?). The fact of the matter is we need the government to perform certain functions for us as a society or we end up with economic crises like we are facing today due to ZERO government oversight.



I agree, clearly our education system failed you.


I'm sick and tired of people like you doing this bullshit with religon. Cut it the fuck out.



Yeah I've heard of Medicare and its a pathetic wastefull government porkbarrel quagmire. If Government was efficient and well versed in what they did I would be for it. BUT government is a wastefull freaking joke. Red tape, wasted time, beuracracy all that BS. NO, My health and my doctor's visits should not be run through the goddamn government. NO NO NO.


Keep the personal BS to yourself. Your the one that started the insult horseshit.

[TheMadHatter]

Okay, where will I find that in scripture?

Book of Go Fuck Yourself: 3:16

[T Park]

I'm not even arguing Obama isn't favored by the media. My perception has been that there's a pretty significant pro-Obama bias. That doesn't mean I think Palin's ineptitude is a media fabrication.

I can agree with that to a point.

[T Park]

Book of Go Fuck Yourself: 3:16

Thats adult.

[whottt]

You're right its not even comparable. Biden hasn't ducked the media out of fear. Biden appeared on every network tonight and wasn't at a fucking bar. Biden may make a ton of gaffes, but Miss South Carolina and he don't share teh same answers unlike Palin.

You're god damn right its not compareable.


Biden is a complete and total idiot. A legitimate one...no editing necessary. In fact editing can't save him.

[Yonivore]

Book of Go Fuck Yourself: 3:16

Yeah, thought so.

[TheMadHatter]

I'm sick and tired of people like you doing this bullshit with religon. Cut it the fuck out.



Yeah I've heard of Medicare and its a pathetic wastefull government porkbarrel quagmire. If Government was efficient and well versed in what they did I would be for it. BUT government is a wastefull freaking joke. Red tape, wasted time, beuracracy all that BS. NO, My health and my doctor's visits should not be run through the goddamn government. NO NO NO.


Keep the personal BS to yourself. Your the one that started the insult horseshit.

We all know the government is inefficient, but free markets left to their own devices have just as much potential for failure. Have you followed the economy at all in the last month? Shit you are dumb.

It's a balance that is needed. We need someone watching over corporate America that will keep them in check just as much as we need the government staying out of our lives.

You don't make over $250,000. There is no way someone as stupid as yourself makes anywhere near that money. Lying keyboard jockey.

[Mr. Peabody]

Book of Go Fuck Yourself: 3:16

That must be a part of the Apocrypha.

[bobbyjoe]

+1

The incessant defense of Sarah Palin is absolutely unfathomable. You're asking us to accept her because she's not part of the Washington political entity? FINE. But let us SEE her first. Hell, I've seen the Tina Fey skit more often and for longer durations than I have seen Sarah Palin since she was nominated.

Are you really going to tell me to accept a person who I've never heard of a month ago as viable for the 2nd (or one of the) most powerful position(s) in the world? It's absolutely ridiculous. The election is right around the corner and I have only seen Sarah Palin in one major spot (the RNC) and one solitary interview she did on TV.

People go through more rigorous checks on their stances on policies when they apply to work at Wendy's. And no, that's not hyperbole, sadly, though I wish it were.

STOP defending Sarah Palin. We aren't all out to rip her down. We're just fucking SCARED that someone we barely know might be our VP soon. I WANT TO KNOW WHO THIS WOMAN IS. If your daughter (or son) came home with the guy you met before they went on their first date last week and announced that she was marrying him, but that you couldn't see him until the wedding, wouldn't that piss you off just a little bit, too?

There's a saying in Wall Street: "Trust the Actions of the Insiders"

The fact that McCain's camp is hiding the living hell out of Palin, restricting her access to the media, trying to minimize interaction in the VP debates, and keeping her the hell away from interviews tells you all you need to know.

And it's not a good sign.

Palin is an utter joke. PRAY that McCain does not die if elected.

[T Park]

We all know the government is inefficient, but free markets left to their own devices have just as much potential for failure. Have you followed the economy at all in the last month? Shit you are dumb.

It's a balance that is needed. We need someone watching over corporate America that will keep them in check just as much as we need the government staying out of our lives.

You don't make over $250,000. There is no way someone as stupid as yourself makes anywhere near that money. Lying keyboard jockey.



I'm done discussing with you.

All your doing is insulting me with names and tripe.


Goodbye.

[TheMadHatter]

That must be a part of the Apocrypha.

:lmao

The bottom line is Jesus was a champion of the outcasts and the poor. Conservatives don't hold this section of our society in high regard at all.

[TheMadHatter]

I'm done discussing with you.

All your doing is insulting me with names and tripe.


Goodbye.

Stop eating you fat fuck.

[T Park]

Thats adult.

[Spurminator]

I actually thought McCain scored better on Iraq than he should have given how Obama is on the popular side of the argument of whether we should have gone in the first place. When McCain called him out for being surprised about the success of the surge, Obama failed to address the point, instead going back to how the decision to invade was a bad one.

The thing is, the next President isn't going to be charged with deciding whether or not the War in Iraq was a good idea. He's going to have to find a way to finish the job.

[Cry Havoc]

What is wrong those answers that requires asking the question a third time?

That's the best answer she had...and it's more than Obama has done....unless you count being paid by them.

Why keep asking the question?

So let me get your position straight.

There is a huge media bias against Sarah Palin. This contributes to your rationale for why she hasn't made many (any) recent appearances before national TV.

Do you think this will change if she becomes VP? Because I really need to know if the potential Vice President of my country is going to dive out of sight for a few weeks every time that she perceives she's being slighted. What kind of image does that present as the 2nd most powerful person in this country?

Don't we, as the voters and as human beings, have certain unalienable Rights? Would you not say that contained in these Rights is a right to know who we are governed by? Because there could very well be a President Sarah Palin when all the smoke clears. I am beginning to lose my anger at the republican party for this situation. The anger I had is now slowly (but increasingly) being replaced by abject fear. I actually feel wronged in this situation, that I might have to accept a person I know very little about into an extremely high office.

I feel that we as the voters have a right to utilize the media for THIS VERY PURPOSE. That is to say that this is one of the innate reasons that such media exists. Biased or not, fallible, buzz-seeking, Apple-iPod generation... it doesn't matter. It's all we have! It's all we have right now, and I would like to think that at least a few people out in the American public would be smart enough to see through the slander if they are attempting to discredit Ms. Palin.

To think that if the coverage is so biased now will be lessened if she attains the office of VP is somewhat bizarre. She will likely be scrutinized more tightly than ever before, BECAUSE she isn't part of the Washington circle and BECAUSE she's attractive and BECAUSE yes, because she is a woman.

She's a woman and she likes McCain's policies a lot. That's about the extent of my Sarah Palin knowledge right now. And I think that is extremely unfair. Call me an Obama hack if you must, but please point to a place in this entire post where I have unjustly attacked Ms. Palin.

I am not a democrat or a republican. I am merely a (deeply) concerned citizen.

[MannyIsGod]

I lied, one more Palin post.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4176/putinrearshisheadnz7.jpg

[baseline bum]

This fucking thread is turning into crap, which is a shame, because it was incredibly resreshing to have a debate with two intelligent candidates for once. Hell, it would have been refreshing with one intelligent candidate after the last two elections.

[Spurminator]

You don't make over $250,000. There is no way someone as stupid as yourself makes anywhere near that money. Lying keyboard jockey.

He does.

[ChumpDumper]

Biden is a complete and total idiot. A legitimate one...no editing necessary. In fact editing can't save him.And yet, there he is, closing in on 100 interviews since the convention while Palin has done....

3?

And her favorable rating isn't all that higher than Biden's while her unfavorable rating is.


Stop protecting her!

She's tough!

[whottt]

I'm not even arguing Obama isn't favored by the media. My perception has been that there's a pretty significant pro-Obama bias. That doesn't mean I think Palin's ineptitude is a media fabrication.


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