Spurs Talk Fantasy Baseball 09

[Thunder Dan]

:lmao His best player has been Jim Thome and he dropped him the first day. This is fantastic.

My best players are Manny and Mark Teahan, Thome just had one good day.

[Melmart1]

losers need to point at small victories.


McCarthy hanged it, and Shoppach banged it!

[FromWayDowntown]

It's too bad for mel that the Rangers in her lineup won't have the Indians staff to kick around after today.

[Melmart1]

It's too bad for mel that the Rangers in her lineup won't have the Indians staff to kick around after today.

:depressed Good thing I got a good cushion on several categories. Dan could still win a couple, I think he is actually leading me in stolen bases right now, so congrats on finally winning a category, Dan. I think its possible he could win up to three categories that are still fairly close. So I am not celebrating yet. But it is fun to get a few digs in considering all the shit he talked before the season even began.

[Thunder Dan]

I gained 80 points in OBA over night, 2 behind in homers, and 4 behind in runs. If I steal wins I got this. Plus, I have a blockbuster trade in the works that will put me over the top this week.

[Thunder Dan]

Spurstalksmackdown Insiders are reporting a Blockbuster trade in the works in the You Hang It, I Bang It camp.....more soon

[Thunder Dan]

The speculation is rampant, but all my sources are telling me is that it is 2 huge names and it will surly change the outlook of the entire league.


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[Thunder Dan]

the Rangers scrub hanged it, Victor banged it!

[Thunder Dan]

Bobby Jenks Hanged it, Coco Banged it!


Team You Hang It, I Bang It playing a little...

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[Melmart1]

Bobby Jenks Hanged it, Coco Banged it!


Team You Hang It, I Bang It playing a little...

http://ninecooks.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ketchup_1.jpg

Too bad you have Crisp on your bench. :lmao

[FromWayDowntown]

But Mark "The Hammer" Teahen's 8 LOBs today should be huge for YHIB.

[Thunder Dan]

Too bad you have Crisp on your bench. :lmao

check again baby. When I see death on a team, I know it's instant postpone. That is my baseball wisdom.

Just wait until my blockbuster. This loss by Melmart will be no different than the 2006 Mavs in the Finals, Bill Buckner, and Jean Van Delvvde on #18 at the British Open

[Thunder Dan]

I'm not happy with the Hammer's lack of production today, but all great hitters have slumps, and the hammer is entitled to have it. He knows he has to produce to make my stacked lineup

[Thunder Dan]

http://www.thesnorks.co.uk/images/Jean%20Van%20de%20Velde.jpg
Melmart

[ATRAIN]

Spurstalksmackdown Insiders are reporting a Blockbuster trade in the works in the You Hang It, I Bang It camp.....more soon

:lol

[Melmart1]

Damn, my statracker shows Crisp on the bench. Looks like you are catching up in HR's. Congrats. I still don't understand how on earth you think you are going to win this week. At this point, it would take some luck on your part (and some tanking on my team's part) to win even four categories, which is still a loss. Your blockbuster trade won't help you this week. Because you don't have enough pitching.

[Thunder Dan]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01378/Greg-Norman_1378338c.jpg

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[ATRAIN]

Damn, my statracker shows Crisp on the bench. Looks like you are catching up in HR's. Congrats. I still don't understand how on earth you think you are going to win this week. At this point, it would take some luck on your part (and some tanking on my team's part) to win even four categories, which is still a loss. Your blockbuster trade won't help you this week. Because you don't have enough pitching.

:lmao

Damn this league is definitely more alive than it was last year

:toast to dan

[Thunder Dan]

Damn, my statracker shows Crisp on the bench. Looks like you are catching up in HR's. Congrats. I still don't understand how on earth you think you are going to win this week. At this point, it would take some luck on your part (and some tanking on my team's part) to win even four categories, which is still a loss. Your blockbuster trade won't help you this week. Because you don't have enough pitching.

you are underestimating the term blockbuster. We ain't talking prospects here

[Thunder Dan]

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[Thunder Dan]

BREAKING NEWS

You Hang It I Bang it has traded Jonathan Papelbon to ATrain for Dan Haren. When reached for comment, YHIIBI Owner and GM of the Year front runner said "this move bolsters our starting rotation giving us K's, and ERAs. You losers can have saves. You guys are going down"

[Melmart1]

you are underestimating the term blockbuster. We ain't talking prospects here

Well, considering you think Mark Teahen is a Hammer, I would think a blockbuster for you would be trading for Gary Sheffield.

[TheTruth]

lateral move....

[Thunder Dan]

Well, considering you think Mark Teahen is a Hammer, I would think a blockbuster for you would be trading for Gary Sheffield.

hahaha, when Haren and Lester each win games this weekend, you are going to pull a Jean Van De Velve

[Thunder Dan]

lateral move....

nope. Having a closer like Paps is worthless to me because I only have one. He was basically just dead weight on my team. To win saves I would need to get very lucky since you guys each have atleast 2-3 closers. Now with Haren,Lee, Carmona, and Baker I have probably the best starting pitching in the league. I'm down 0-1 to start the week, but my studs will mash, and I'll steal K's, ERA, or WHIP and it's over for you guys


You all underestimated me. I'm a wheeler and dealer. I'm in it to win it and it just so happens I'm smarter than everyone.

[Melmart1]

hahaha, when Haren and Lester each win games this weekend, you are going to pull a Jean Van De Velve

Lester? The same Lester who got roughed up just last night? Does Boston have a three or four-man rotation? Cus that is the only way Lester is playing this weekend.

[Thunder Dan]

Lester? The same Lester who got roughed up just last night? Does Boston have a three or four-man rotation? Cus that is the only way Lester is playing this weekend.

who cares who pitches, the fact is I'm going to hand you one of the worst losses in fantasy baseball history

[TheTruth]

Seriously, Carmona, Baker, Haren, and Lee the best staff in this league? :lmao

[Thunder Dan]

for those keeping score at home, I just overtook Melmart in OBP closing a 100 point gap in less than 24 hours

[Melmart1]

That scrub Matt Garza just got my team another win. Oh, and Brandon McCarthy, too. You got two starts this weekend? You can only hope to tie me. And I still got Peavy, Lincecum and Wainwright starting this weekend. You are not going to steal wins from me, Haren or not. I would be surprised if you won a single pitching category.

[Melmart1]

for those keeping score at home, I just overtook Melmart in OBP closing a 100 point gap in less than 24 hours

What stat tracker are you looking at? I just refreshed mine and the score is still 8-1, with your only category being steals.

[Thunder Dan]

That scrub Matt Garza just got my team another win. Oh, and Brandon McCarthy, too. You got two starts this weekend? You can only hope to tie me. And I still got Peavy, Lincecum and Wainwright starting this weekend. You are not going to steal wins from me, Haren or not. I would be surprised if you won a single pitching category.

again, you are underestimating my skills

[Melmart1]

Did we ever agree on a transaction limit for sure?

I ask because it seems that Thunder Dan, in an effort to back up his ridiculous shit talking, is overhauling his entire pitching staff so that he has three pitchers going each of the next three days.

Why the hell do we have a draft if managers are allowed to play Musical Rotations every week? Imagine the tactics timvp used in the playoffs last year that most of us loathed, and then imagine dealing with that EVERY WEEK. He has made something like a dozen transactions, meaning he would already be more than 1/4 of the way through the 40 transaction limit that was proposed, before week 1 is even done. Ridiculous!

As a result, I may very well lose this week by sheer roster tweaking on his part. And I am fine with that, as long as it doesn't happen every week. People like me who actually drafted a pitching staff can't be playing roster overhaul with our pitchers.

[Thunder Dan]

Did we ever agree on a transaction limit for sure?

I ask because it seems that Thunder Dan, in an effort to back up his ridiculous shit talking, is overhauling his entire pitching staff so that he has three pitchers going each of the next three days.

Why the hell do we have a draft if managers are allowed to play Musical Rotations every week? Imagine the tactics timvp used in the playoffs last year that most of us loathed, and then imagine dealing with that EVERY WEEK. He has made something like a dozen transactions, meaning he would already be more than 1/4 of the way through the 40 transaction limit that was proposed, before week 1 is even done. Ridiculous!

As a result, I may very well lose this week by sheer roster tweaking on his part. And I am fine with that, as long as it doesn't happen every week. People like me who actually drafted a pitching staff can't be playing roster overhaul with our pitchers.. Haha I'm GM of the year. Can't chat right now I'm busy scouting the indians in c-town. How is Galaraga looking today?

[Horry For 3!]

. Haha I'm GM of the year. Can't chat right now I'm busy scouting the indians in c-town. How is Galaraga looking today?

Dominating the Rangers, but Rangers got 1 on the board with an rbi single by Blalock in the 6th.

[Thunder Dan]

If I wasn't on an iPhone I would post a picture of greg Norman at the 1996 Masters


-GM of the year

[whottt]

BREAKING NEWS

You Hang It I Bang it has traded Jonathan Papelbon to ATrain for Dan Haren. When reached for comment, YHIIBI Owner and GM of the Year front runner said "this move bolsters our starting rotation giving us K's, and ERAs. You losers can have saves. You guys are going down"

That was a horrible trade for you and everyone in this league not named A-train.

One great closer who plays for a winning team can win or tie the saves category for you on any given week. Now you've assured yourself of losing that category every week.

It's hard enough to win in this league when your team is competitive in all 10 categories...good luck pulling it off only being competitive in 9 of them :tu

[TheTruth]

Did we ever agree on a transaction limit for sure?

I ask because it seems that Thunder Dan, in an effort to back up his ridiculous shit talking, is overhauling his entire pitching staff so that he has three pitchers going each of the next three days.

Why the hell do we have a draft if managers are allowed to play Musical Rotations every week? Imagine the tactics timvp used in the playoffs last year that most of us loathed, and then imagine dealing with that EVERY WEEK. He has made something like a dozen transactions, meaning he would already be more than 1/4 of the way through the 40 transaction limit that was proposed, before week 1 is even done. Ridiculous!

As a result, I may very well lose this week by sheer roster tweaking on his part. And I am fine with that, as long as it doesn't happen every week. People like me who actually drafted a pitching staff can't be playing roster overhaul with our pitchers.

I'm doing the same thing that he's doing, and I think I drafted a pretty damn good pitching staff. If we were going to have a transaction limit, it should have been announced before the season started.

[Melmart1]

I'm doing the same thing that he's doing, and I think I drafted a pretty damn good pitching staff. If we were going to have a transaction limit, it should have been announced before the season started.

You are replacing 2-3 of your pitchers every.single.day?

I know it should have been announced, so if we didn't formally agree then so be it. But I still think its bullshit even just for the playoffs, much less for the entire season. It really makes this whole thing much more work and much less fun, and partially negates the draft.

But if we didn't agree, then I will muddle through it for the rest of the season. I won't like it though, and I am fairly sure I am not alone.

[Thunder Dan]

Hahaha. It's within the rules of the game Melmart. A good GM (like me) takes the rules and uses them to his or her advantage. I was talking about doing this for about 2 weeks now and you are just now figuring out what I meant when I said I don't care about drafting
Pitching. I was trying to catch you in wins, and I still probably will, but I could catch you in alll the pitching categories now! My lineup of heroes are starting to show why kids have their posters on their walls, and your zeros are starting to show why nobody knows who they are when they walk in the mall!

[TheTruth]

Yeah, I do have 2 spots on my roster dedicated to rotating SP in and out Daily. It's a strategy that'll blow up in your face with ERA and Whip. I'm only doing it this week since I'm so far back in ERA and only want to catch Whottt in K's. I don't see how having a strategy and following through on it makes the league any worse.

[Thunder Dan]

Yeah, I do have 2 spots on my roster dedicated to rotating SP in and out Daily. It's a strategy that'll blow up in your face with ERA and Whip. I'm only doing it this week since I'm so far back in ERA and only want to catch Whottt in K's. I don't see how having a strategy and following through on it makes the league any worse.

she is just complaining because she hears the footsteps and doesn't want me closing in on wins or K's. It's a gamble, if I didn't do it yesterday I probably would be very close with ERA, but having done that gained me 12 strikeouts

[whottt]

Concerning the transactions: There hasn't been much discussion on doing it in the regualar season. I think timvp is the only one who has suggested that and he was suggesting a set number of moves for the entire season.

However,
limiting the transactions during the post season was something that was pretty much ageed upon at the end of last season and has been on the table for more than 2 seasons(by myself). We just haven't gotten around to agreeing on how to do it yet but we were pretty much agreement that we were going to do something by the time the post season roles around, and I think it's something the majority of the owners in the league already support.

Basically anyone who has played someone using that strategy in the post season is pretty much against it already.

There hasn't ever been any discussion about doing it in the regular season...but quite a few of the owners, including myself, slayer, A-train, FWDT and Melmart were on record as wanting limits in the post season....and this is going back to the end of last season.

In fact I was explicity told that we would do something about it this season and the only reason we haven't yet is that we haven't gotten input from all the owners yet.



I don't think you guys would want FWDT to just institute a rule like that in the post season without letting you have any input, and so basically we've been waiting for everyone to get together to see what we can hammer out and that's the only reason we don't know what the exact rule on the post season limits is yet.


But you can check any of the fantasy threads in this forum, including this one and see owners mentioning post season limits and FWDT saying we just don't know what it is yet.

So get these pitching staffs ready, you've got about 6 months to do it :tu

And I am ready to have this discussion anytime anyone else is.

I've been ready to have this discussiion for 3 years now since my pitching staff got assfucked in the first round of the playoffs the first year of this league and all the owners that weren't involved in a pitching turnover picked up my all my pitchers.


That strategy is not going to win the league anyway...you might make it to the second round, although timvp didn't the first year he tried it and probably wouldn't have last year if I had played that game, I just didn't do it last year.

What's the point? I mean even if you beat the guy doing it your pitching staff is decimated and your likely next round opponent feeds off that decimation to improve his own staff....eventually it becomes impossible to field a competitive pitching staff even turning it over every night...and I'm talking in wins and k's as well.

But the thing is...that strategy benefits the other owners who play the person doing it last. The first person who has to play them gets fucked for the rest of the playoffs...even if they advance.

[Ginofan]

I have a problem with any rule being instituted after the season already started. Even if it is just for the playoffs. I don't care how much you guys talked about it in the off season.

So I guess I'll go on record with my opinion. There should never be a transaction limit in fantasy baseball.

[Ginofan]

ah shit, I'm on mandy's computer.

[Thunder Dan]

I like the rules the way they are, they are allowing me to close the gap in K's and steal a pitching category. It's strategy bc I'm gambling away ERA for Ks

[slayermin]

I still think there should be a limit on transactions for the playoffs. If there isn't one implemented for the regular season, I'm cool with that.

[Melmart1]

Nobody said anything about implementing a rule in the middle of the season, so calm yourselves down. I simply asked if we had agreed. If we hadn't, then that's fine, as I already stated. I think most owners won't employ this tactic so I will only have to deal with it a couple of times when I play Dan or Truth. I don't like it, but I will deal with it.

[FromWayDowntown]

I've tried to start this discussion on several occasions -- most of them before the season started, and got sparse interest from anyone (other than maybe whottt) in proposing anything specific.

I've offered several solutions that made sense to me -- a hard cap on transactions in season; a hard cap on transactions during the post-season; hard use limits (games by position and innings for pitchers). But there's been nothing to resemble real consensus on what specifically should be done.

I'm not going to unilaterally impose a limit; without consensus, leaving things uncapped makes more sense to me.

With that said, it strikes me as a bogus argument against something like a post-season cap to say "well, I drafted a team anticipating unlimited transactions." Clearly, no player that would be likely to be valuable to a playoff team is going to be churned through the waiver wire after about 2 or 3 weeks. Thus, if we were to decide right now that there will be a cap come the post-season -- something that I absolutely agree with, because I think it's absolute nonsense to protect one owner's interest in turning over a staff every day when another owner drafted well enough to make such turn over unthinkable (if you drafted a good pitching staff, for instance, you're not going to go dropping useful pitchers every day just to run up numbers in the counting categories). That actually rewards the owner who had a shitty draft, which makes no sense to me.

I'm going to put 2 questions to the ownership and ask that everyone vote on each of the questions:

1. Should there be a limit on transactions during the post-season in 2009? Yes or No.

2. Regardless of your answer to question #1, if there is a limit, what should it be:
a. no more than 1-5 transactions per week
b. no more than 5-10 transactions per week
c. no more than 10-15 transactions per week
d. an inning limit for the team
e. no limit

Majority rules.

[Thunder Dan]

E, no limit

[FromWayDowntown]

E, no limit

RIF -- answer question No. 1 as well, please.

[Thunder Dan]

I vote no limit on both. This is America, land of freedom and no restrictions!

[Melmart1]

1. Yes
2. A


I didn't push much for a transaction limit because I had only seen this tactic employed in the playoffs, I honestly didn't think anyone had the time or energy to do this everyday, every single week. Oh well, my bad.

[TheTruth]

no, e

[whottt]

1. Yes
2. A

Basically this strategy is one that banks on having a good offensive week and stealing two pitching categories because of it...it turns wins and k's into de-facto offensive categories.

The way it is, you do not need to win 6 categories or 5 and a tie breaker on the basis of having the superior team...the way it is, you simply need to win 4 offensive categories, then you can pretty much dictate what goes on on the pitching side of the ball first through W and K, then once those are in play whip and ERA will usually come into play too...and it turns the pitching side of things into a total crapfest.

It gives the offense domain over the pitching stats, and the best offense shouldn't have domain over pitching, the best pitching staff should. That's why those are pitching stats and not hitting stats.


Incidentally Mel, it's much worse in the playoffs, you don't see anyone waiving their best pitchers in the regular season...in an all or nothing situation like the playoffs, you will.

And if one person has the lead in only 4 offensive categories, they can kamikazee the pitching staff of the opposing team.



5 transactions per week is still plenty enough to comletely jack the W and K categories. It just at least forces the person attempting it to be selective about pitching, which you should have to be to win pitching categories. This also gives the other team the option of staying in and fighting the kamikazee without turning his pitching staff(and improving those of other playoff teams) and championship aspirations into total crap in order to so.




Still need to hear from timvp, EricB, florige, A-train, slayer and FWDT on this.

[whottt]

Yeah, I do have 2 spots on my roster dedicated to rotating SP in and out Daily. It's a strategy that'll blow up in your face with ERA and Whip. I'm only doing it this week since I'm so far back in ERA and only want to catch Whottt in K's. I don't see how having a strategy and following through on it makes the league any worse.


You haven't come anywhere near 5 transactions this week...you've made fewer than I have. There's nothing wrong with this...being able to force someone to drop their entire pitching staffs just because you have the better offensive team, is wrong. And that's what can happen in the playoffs. The hitting shouldn't be able to dictate to the pitching. You win the hitting by having the best hitters, you should have to win the pitching by having the best pitchers, not the best hitters.

[alamo50]

1. No
2. e.

[ATRAIN]

1. Yes
2. A

As most of you know im not a fan of this during the post season and you can ask TIMVP what I think about this hahaha. What Truth is doing on maybe dropping 2 pitchers a week I see as fine, its totally revamping your pitching squad for the sake of k's and win's that sucks. I just dont seeing this being very successful during the regular season though. Yeah it helped dan stay in it but if he drops his good pitchers for scrubs it opens the door to those of us who need another solid starter. Hey Dan let me know when your going to drop Haren, he already misses my team and my pitching squad (aka the strike out kings).

[Thunder Dan]

How can you change this in the middle of the season when I drafted my team with the sole purpose to do this? That's a load of BS if you ask me. I've been saying since day 1 I was going to do this and no one seemed to know what I was referring to, and now that I actually did it, fantasy lifers whott and melmart have a problem with it. You cant just change it now all of a sudden, if you do just give me my $25 back, because this league will be bs. You set the rules at the beginning and play by them- if you change now we will have to redraft

[Thunder Dan]

This is a witch hunt against me because my lineup is nails compared to everyones.

I drafted my team with the intent on using this strategy to steal one category. It's why I traded Papelbon for Haren. You can't just change it now without a redraft. You all act like I've never played fantasy before. Whott likes to give me life lessons, and Melmart like to be the forum expert- but they didn't seem to understand what I was talking about when I referred to using this strategy 2 weeks ago. You can't just change now that you figured it out.

[Thunder Dan]

and let me also say that changing this rule will not make the league better, it will actually make it much worse for all of you. I won't go down quietly! I still have tricks up my sleeve

[ATRAIN]

Hey Dan this vote is for the post season so you really dont have to worry since you wont be making it anyways :) lol

[Thunder Dan]

Well I am catching up in Ks but melmarts zeros are playing out of their minds- this is the only way I can lose if your team gets really hot and mine gets cold. Even when my lineup is having a down week, and mels is on fire, I'm still right there. So you all can point to this one loss but I love my team and my strategy. I will prevail

[slayermin]

1.Yes
2.A

[timvp]

Just to clarify before I vote, did either of the last two winners employ the mass drop and add strategy? I did it to perfection (:smokin) and I still lost. While you can use it to get you wins and strikeouts, I have found out first hand that it basically gives you no hope of winning ERA and WHIP. Saves is the fifth pitching stat and that strategy doesn't make a difference. So basically by using the strategy, you are basically switching the game from a best out of ten to a best out of six.

Honestly, with the way Dominicans have rationed out who plays which position, I have no hope to win in the playoffs without unlimited maneuvers. There's no way I ever win a pitching category outside of a maybe saves and one fluke other stat. So selfishly, it would make sense for me to vote for no limit.

That said, I'd like confirmation on whether or not the first winner of the league used the strategy. I will then place my vote. Right now, I'm leaning toward "Yes, A" . . .






P.S.

Holland must have some sort of hex on my island. :madrun

[timvp]

Wait, whottt is the transaction Nazi yet he leads the league in transactions so far?

Does not compute.

[Thunder Dan]

This is just a witch hunt. I was closing in on Melmart and she just had to complain. Without the help of career weeks by a bunch of no names it would have worked too because I caught up in Ks.

[Thunder Dan]

LMAO, Whott are you serious with this lineup? Who are these guys? Get this weak stuff outta here! Dexter Fowler?

C
Jorge Posada
(NYY - C)
- - - - -
1B
Lance Berkman
(Hou - 1B)
- - - - -
2B
Clint Barmes
(Col - 2B,3B,SS)
- - - - -
3B
David Wright
(NYM - 3B)
- - - - -
SS
J.J. Hardy
(Mil - SS)
- - - - -
CI
Prince Fielder
(Mil - 1B)
- - - - -
MI
Ian Stewart
(Col - 2B,3B)
- - - - -
OF
Hunter Pence
(Hou - OF)
- - - - -
OF
Eric Byrnes
(Ari - OF)
- - - - -
OF
Randy Winn
(SF - OF)
- - - - -
Util
Dexter Fowler
(Col - OF)

[TheTruth]

Damn it. One boneheaded start of Carl Pavano away from a 9 - 1 week. Oh well, at least I took 7 from the Waiver Wire Nazi.

[Thunder Dan]

hey Whott, I think you made a mistake; Eric Byrnes is in your starting lineup. Just so you know, ou only have a couple hours to change that before it's becomes locked in.

[whottt]

Just to clarify before I vote, did either of the last two winners employ the mass drop and add strategy? I did it to perfection (:smokin) and I still lost. While you can use it to get you wins and strikeouts, I have found out first hand that it basically gives you no hope of winning ERA and WHIP. Saves is the fifth pitching stat and that strategy doesn't make a difference. So basically by using the strategy, you are basically switching the game from a best out of ten to a best out of six.

Honestly, with the way Dominicans have rationed out who plays which position, I have no hope to win in the playoffs without unlimited maneuvers. There's no way I ever win a pitching category outside of a maybe saves and one fluke other stat. So selfishly, it would make sense for me to vote for no limit.

That said, I'd like confirmation on whether or not the first winner of the league used the strategy. I will then place my vote. Right now, I'm leaning toward "Yes, A" . . .






P.S.

Holland must have some sort of hex on my island. :madrun


Fail.

#1. You use that strategy to pick up non-dominican pitchers when you use it. So if you are going to end up using American pitchers to use that strategy, why not just do it to build a worthy pitching staff.


#2. You can play for wins in ERA and Whip using this All Dominican strategy. Since you are basically banking on winning at least 4 offensive categories with your Dominicans, why not just play for ERA and whip and use the cream of the crop of Dominican pitchers.


#3. Five transactions is more than enough to win W and K cheaply if you want to go that route...you just have to pick good pitchers to pull it off.


On the contrary my dear timvp, the way for you to pull off your Dominican dream and keep it pure Dominican, is by not attempting to kamikazee a pitching staff with AMERICAN(or Puerto Rican, Venzuelan etc.) pitchers and by either going for the sweep in the 5 offensive categories, or winning 4 and ERA and WHIP.

And you're welcome :tu

[Thunder Dan]

My team is playing in memory of Harry Kalas today. Whott doesn't stand a chance

[whottt]

I hate to tell you offensive category studs this...but you can win a series by sweeping the 5 offensive categories since OBP is the first tie breaker.

You guys want to win with offense only? Then do it...simply sweep the offensive categories and you can realize the macho dream. Don't half ass it by winning only 4 and then counting on cheap inevitability and rule raping to win two pitching cats so you can then tell yourself you won with offense...you're living a lie doing that.




And if you need to start more than 5 pitchers more than an opponent to win the W and K categories, you've got no business winning them because your judge of pitching talent is horrible.

[Thunder Dan]

I vote that Whott is taking this too seriously and needs to chill the F out and stoping bringing everyone down by telling people what do do and being controlling and no fun

Whott is debbie downer

[whottt]

And I'm not really a waiver wire Nazi by the way. I had two guys go on the DL and have simply been trying to pick up a run scorer...yeah I started an extra pitcher this week, after Truth picked up 4 of them, but since I had a pitcher go on the DL at the begnning of the week anyway it's not like I was boosting those stats.

I didn't even start half the guys I picked up on the waiver wire..


Besides, it never hurts to clear other people out of your way in the waiver claim order.

[Thunder Dan]

And I'm not really a waiver wire Nazi by the way. I had two guys go on the DL and have simply been trying to pick up a run scorer...yeah I started an extra pitcher this week, after Truth picked up 4 of them, but since I had a pitcher go on the DL at the begnning of the week anyway it's not like I was boosting those stats.

I didn't even start half the guys I picked up on the waiver wire..


Besides, it never hurts to clear other people out of your way in the waiver claim order.

it's just a game man let it go

[Melmart1]

I vote that Whott is taking this too seriously and needs to chill the F out and

Says the man who threatened to quit and demanded his money back like a petulant child :lol

Hopefully, this "strategy" will blow up in the faces of those that use it, because I find it to be rather desperate. It did allow Dan to steal K's from me by two strikeouts. Too bad the other half of this "strategy" ... winning all the offensive categories because you neglected to draft a pitching staff in order to bulk up on offense -- didn't work. He still lost two of the categories. And not just any two, but the two that truly show your offensive muscle -- home runs and RBIs. :lol

Each Hit!

[Thunder Dan]

Says the man who threatened to quit and demanded his money back like a petulant child :lol

Hopefully, this "strategy" will blow up in the faces of those that use it, because I find it to be rather desperate. It did allow Dan to steal K's from me by two strikeouts. Too bad the other half of this "strategy" ... winning all the offensive categories because you neglected to draft a pitching staff in order to bulk up on offense -- didn't work. He still lost two of the categories. And not just any two, but the two that truly show your offensive muscle -- home runs and RBIs. :lol

Each Hit!

well I have a point. I drafted my team and planned my strategy based on the rules set at the start of the season. You can't all of a sudden change the rules once 2 people don't like what is going on. That would be like the NFL saying in the middle of August that you are no longer allowed to pass the ball. It's the same thing. Some teams rely only on the pass, or they drafted a QB, and now you are saying they can't do that when they prepared to play a certain way. So if you are going to take away my strategy which is well within the rules stated at the start of the season, then yes I want my money back or I'll just place all my good players on waivers and let whoever I want to win (not Whott or Melmart) know exactly when I'll do it. How is that for pouting?


And my strategy will work over the long run. The only reason you beat me in 2 others is because 3 of your scrubs had career weeks. Sorry but Span, Kinsler, and Ibanez will not out RBI and HR Manny, Magglio, and Uttley all season long. It took the Rangers putting up like 40 runs in a week to beat me. That won't happen. All this week proved is even when my team plays like crap, I still have 3 categories written in stone before they even start

[whottt]

I vote that Whott is taking this too seriously and needs to chill the F out and stoping bringing everyone down by telling people what do do and being controlling and no fun

Whott is debbie downer

Whatever, I don't know if you can read or not but you just had the major practitioner of the strategy you are attempting, tell you that it won't win a championship.


The funny thing is he made the playoffs his first year with nothing but Dominicans and the secondy year playing it straight and then switched to that strategy in the playoffs both times and I think it ended up hurting his team both times. I mean both times he a playoff team and then jettisoned his pitching in an attempt to win W and K and my guess is he lost both times due to not having a pitching staff.


Just trying to help you have a better life. :tu


I can tell you got off to a rough start by the fact you idolize Dan Majerle.

I mean what, was the usernic, "loser", already taken or something?

[Thunder Dan]

Whatever, I don't know if you can read or not but you just had the major practitioner of the strategy you are attempting, tell you that it won't win a championship.


The funny thing is he made the playoffs his first year with nothing but Dominicans and the secondy year playing it straight and then switched to that strategy in the playoffs both titmes and I think it ended up hurting his team both titmes. I mean both times he a playoff team and then jettisoned his pitching in an attempt to win W and K and my guess is he lost both times due to not having a pitching staff.


Just trying to help you have a better life. :tu


I can tell you got off to a rough start by the fact you idolize Dan Majerle.

I mean what, was the usernic, "loser", already taken or something?

Leave Dan Majerle out of this. I will play the way I want to play. My lineup is better than yours, and I'll prove that this week. I'll steal K's and I'll beat you. Simple as that

[whottt]

Damn it. One boneheaded start of Carl Pavano away from a 9 - 1 week. Oh well, at least I took 7 from the Waiver Wire Nazi.


I got mashed because your team put up something like 20 HR and 60 RBI, and you had a strong week in W.

You didn't win the W category due to all those pitchers you picked up though...I think you got 1 win out of them....Loshe.

You ended up winning the K category by 2, but if you notice I pulled Gregg at the last second(because he's been shaky and could just have easily cost me ERA and WHip as he could have tied K), and he ended up getting 2ks which would have tied us, in spite of a the 3 starter advantage you had over me. So all those extra pitchers gave you a 2 K advantage and probably ended up hurting you more in ERA and Whip than you realize.

[Melmart1]

well I have a point. I drafted my team and planned my strategy based on the rules set at the start of the season. You can't all of a sudden change the rules once 2 people don't like what is going on. That would be like the NFL saying in the middle of August that you are no longer allowed to pass the ball. It's the same thing. Some teams rely only on the pass, or they drafted a QB, and now you are saying they can't do that when they prepared to play a certain way. So if you are going to take away my strategy which is well within the rules stated at the start of the season, then yes I want my money back or I'll just place all my good players on waivers and let whoever I want to win (not Whott or Melmart) know exactly when I'll do it. How is that for pouting?

Losers make idle threats like this when they don't get their way. Funny thing is, you are getting your way. No rule changes are being made for the regular season, and if they are it won't be until the playoffs, which you won't make if you keep overturning your staff and releasing your 'sleepers' like Cameron Maybin in order to do win one single category. And just barely, at that.



And my strategy will work over the long run. The only reason you beat me in 2 others is because 3 of your scrubs had career weeks. Sorry but Span, Kinsler, and Ibanez will not out RBI and HR Manny, Magglio, and Uttley all season long. It took the Rangers putting up like 40 runs in a week to beat me. That won't happen. All this week proved is even when my team plays like crap, I still have 3 categories written in stone before they even start

Kinsler and Ibanez are hardly scrubs. :lol But your obvious inability to accurately scout talent is apparent.

[Thunder Dan]

whott why arn't you starting Lilly today? Your going to need all the K's and W's you can get

[Thunder Dan]

Losers make idle threats like this when they don't get their way. Funny thing is, you are getting your way. No rule changes are being made for the regular season, and if they are it won't be until the playoffs, which you won't make if you keep overturning your staff and releasing your 'sleepers' like Cameron Maybin in order to do win one single category. And just barely, at that.




Kinsler and Ibanez are hardly scrubs. :lol But your obvious inability to accurately scout talent is apparent.

So you are telling me that Kinsler and Ibanez will account for more homers and RBI's this year than Uttley and Manny? I'll take that side bet


and it's not an idle threat, I may already have a deal in place

[whottt]

whott why arn't you starting Lilly today? Your going to need all the K's and W's you can get

Because he fucked me last week(although he did pick up a win) and I'm not going to start him again until I know he's got his shit togeher...it's not like he produced a bunch of K's in his last start anyway.

He'll (or Perez) probably be the guy I waive when Sherzer comes off the DL.

[Melmart1]

So you are telling me that Kinsler and Ibanez will account for more homers and RBI's this year than Uttley and Manny? I'll take that side bet


and it's not an idle threat, I may already have a deal in place

I never said Kinsler and Ibanez would account for more anything. Clearly, you are incapable of reading comprehension.

And I still think it's an idle threat. I call your bluff.

[Thunder Dan]

But I'm basically conceding ERA and WHIP to you and aiming at K's and Win's....that's why I'm confused you are not starting him- since even if he sucks, it won't really matter. The pitching categories I'm gunning for are the quantifiable ones, wins and K's.

You have to learn how to scout and adjust to the competition

plus, you are going to lose Beckett for a start so you will need all the pitcher pitching you can get

[Thunder Dan]

I think it's funny that even though I was the waiver king last week, I still found 2 pitchers that will give me major strikeout numbers- so I'm planning on keeping them just in case I need some K's. I think Purcey and that Japanese guy gave me like 18 k's combined

[whottt]

But I'm basically conceding ERA and WHIP to you and aiming at K's and Win's....

And I appreciate you doing that since you did it all of last week and managed to get 2 more K's than me....and my best strikeout pitcher was on the DL last week.



that's why I'm confused

Sounds like a personal problem to me.




you are not starting him- since even if he sucks, it won't really matter. The pitching categories I'm gunning for are the quantifiable ones, wins and K's.

And if you are giving up era and whip then I don't really see the need to worry about those two very much now do I?





You have to learn how to scout and adjust to the competition


I did last week....then I realized some competition isn't worth that much effort...I mean, do graduate students scout pre-schoolers?

Same thing...






plus, you are going to lose Beckett for a start so you will need all the pitcher pitching you can get

My pitching is not my major concern with my team right now nor really is winning at this particular moment. I got 3 or 4 slow perennial slow starters on my team offensively so it's going to be shaky until they start producing. There are other weaknesses I am working on addressing right now.

[Thunder Dan]

My pitching is not my major concern with my team right now nor really is winning at this particular moment. I got 3 or 4 slow perennial slow starters on my team offensively so it's going to be shaky until they start producing. There are other weaknesses I am working on addressing right now.

well it doesn't appear that hitting is much of a concern either seeing that 2 guys in your starting lineup aren't even playing today, and another is Eric Byrnes. Shit I could find 5 guys on the waiver wire better than Byrnes.

I'm just saying that Lilly vs. the Rockies is a perfect opportunity for a win, and you are passing it up. Plus it's funny that he hasn't given up a hit yet. The fact is, you are going to need all the K's and Wins you can get because that's what I'm gunning for.


Lilly so far today
3 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs, and 4 K's :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[whottt]

well it doesn't appear that hitting is much of a concern either seeing that 2 guys in your starting lineup aren't even playing today

Those two guys are producing better off the bench then most of your guys are as starters...



and another is Eric Byrnes. Shit I could find 5 guys on the waiver wire better than Byrnes.

Upsidewise, or based on last season? Based on last season if you can't find several hundred guys better than Byrnes you're a joke.



I'm just saying that Lilly vs. the Rockies is a perfect opportunity for a win, and you are passing it up. Plus it's funny that he hasn't given up a hit yet. The fact is, you are going to need all the K's and Wins you can get because that's what I'm gunning for.


No I don't...you are basically conceding 3 categories to me already, whip, era and saves. I only need to worry about 3 other categories, neither of which have to be wins and k's...


Frankly I appreciate you conceding me whip and era, because my team sucked in those areas last week.


I love guys like you that concede categories before the series even begins...I save the scouting efforts for the owners that don't concede any categories, those are the tough ones. The guys that concede categories are the easiest.


My major concern with you is keeping track of which good players you are waiving to add scrub pitchers....like the genius you are.





Lilly so far today
3 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs, and 4 K's :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


Looks like it's Perez I'll probably be waiving then.


How much money are you going to get if you win this week btw? I missed that post.

[Thunder Dan]

Barry Bonds hit 28 homers 2 years ago, why don't you draft him to play outfield?

and I may be conceding those 3 pitching categories, but I could still win them if I get strong outings tonight. I mean, you only have 1 good starter coming this week with Shields and the rest are no better than decent, so even by conceding those I still might win them. You will win saves, but 9-1 will be a solid win for me this week.

Solid way to start the week with a .091 obp, down 7 Runs and a RBI before 5 PM

[whottt]

Barry Bonds hit 28 homers 2 years ago, why don't you draft him to play outfield?


Because I don't need a guy who hit 28 homers 2 years ago with how the draft went.

If I was going to be that stupid about my approach I'd have done something like draft Jim Thome.

Not to mention Barry Bonds is like 50 now and no longer plays baseball.

Now that I think about it...it's probably is less stupid to draft him than it is Thome.



Solid way to start the week with a .091 obp, down 7 Runs and a RBI before 5 PM


Spoken like a real winner :tu

[Thunder Dan]

you should have started Lilly as a hitter since he is out producing the rest of your lineup

[FromWayDowntown]

Frankly, the specter of a season filled with teams just adding and dropping pitchers ad infinitum and leaving some owners -- who are unwilling to do that -- with virtually no chance to win the counting categories in pitching makes me dread the entire season.

It was understandable when it was a Saturday/Sunday occurrence late last season.

6 months of this shit strikes me as just not any fun.

[Thunder Dan]

I think starting Lilly over Dexter Fowler would have been the play today

[Thunder Dan]

Frankly, the specter of a season filled with teams just adding and dropping pitchers ad infinitum and leaving some owners -- who are unwilling to do that -- with virtually no chance to win the counting categories in pitching makes me dread the entire season.

It was understandable when it was a Saturday/Sunday occurrence late last season.

6 months of this shit strikes me as just not any fun.

I only did it because I was down in every category but had a chance to gain in K's and Wins. I think I found 2 gem strikeout guys so I can't imagine being in that position again this week- well unless the Rockies bench comes in and scores 30 runs this week. I knew I could catch up in K's, but I likely won't have to worry about it this week

[FromWayDowntown]

I don't have the time or the inclination to try to win a race to the computer every day to pick up sufficient pitching to give my team a chance to overcome owners who are willing to mill pitchers. It doesn't matter whether its every few weeks or not; I'm not going to do it and, apparently, just have to face the fact that I'm going to lose the counting categories when my team runs into a manager who is willing to do that.

Again, I think it's utter b.s. This is the LAST year this league operates without a hard innings limit on pitching.

[whottt]

I think it's funny that even though I was the waiver king last week, I still found 2 pitchers that will give me major strikeout numbers- so I'm planning on keeping them just in case I need some K's. I think Purcey and that Japanese guy gave me like 18 k's combined

Holy shit!!!!!!!


Are you saying you picked up two guys off the waiver wire that helped you in categories and you plan on keeping them?

My god...this is revolutionary and will have ramifications throughout the fantasy baseball wo...nay, the entire fantasy sports World!.

Imagine, picking up guys off the waiver wire and using them to help your team.

Fucking genius.


Goddamn Dan...you've only been playing the game a week and you've discovered something new.

Exscuse me, you also pioneered jacking the W and K categories, a heretofore never before thought of strategy.


We are in awe...


Imagine, picking up guys off the waiver wire to help your team in certain categories...

And to think, all these years everryone else has been using the waiver wire without the intention of improving their team or keeping the players...they've just been aimlessly switching out players for the sheer hell of it until the maginificient intellect known as ThunderDan appeared on the scene to enlighten us that the waiver wire can actually be used to improve your team.



*faints*

[Thunder Dan]

Ted Lilly: 5 Innings, 0 Hits, 1 Walk, 6 K's, a walk and a run scored

:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin

[whottt]

Ted Lilly: 5 Innings, 0 Hits, 1 Walk, 6 K's, a walk and a run scored

:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin



Awesome...hopefully he'll keep it up for the season.

But I see your point...you picked up two guys off the waiver wire that gave you 16K's last week, so it's like you'll be getting 16 k's from them this week too...becuase they did it last week. :tu

[Thunder Dan]

Holy shit!!!!!!!


Are you saying you picked up two guys off the waiver wire that helped you in categories and you plan on keeping them?

My god...this is revolutionary and will have ramifications throughout the fantasy baseball wo...nay, the entire fantasy sports World!.

Imagine, picking up guys off the waiver wire and using them to help your team.

Fucking genius.


Goddamn Dan...you've only been playing the game a week and you've discovered something new.

Exscuse me, you also pioneered jacking the W and K categories, a heretofore never before thought of strategy.


We are in awe...


Imagine, picking up guys off the waiver wire to help your team in certain categories...

And to think, all these years everryone else has been using the waiver wire without the intention of improving their team or keeping the players...they've just been aimlessly switching out players for the sheer hell of it until the maginificient intellect known as ThunderDan appeared on the scene to enlighten us that the waiver wire can actually be used to improve your team.



*faints*

I'm saying that when I picked them up I only did so for the purpose of having more pitchers start than Melmart so I could gain ground in either Wins and/or K's. They both were impressive enough to keep rather than drop. It's nothing ground breaking and you guys can get mad at me and other who do this, but it's within the rules set forth at the start of the season. Yes it's unorthodox and may be seen as cheese, but it's within the rules.

[whottt]

Ok I get it...you're the first guy in history to pick up two pitchers you weren't sure you were going to keep and then ended up keeping them.

Never has happened before before you :tu


Same thing, no team has ever improved their strikeout totals with pitchers picked up off the waiver wire...at least, no team before you.


Take a bow Dan...it's your world, we're merely renting it.,

[whottt]

btw, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict you waive Bonificisio(or whatever the fuck his name is) before the season is over.

[Thunder Dan]

Ok I get it...you're the first guy in history to pick up two pitchers you weren't sure you were going to keep and then ended up keeping them.

Never has happened before before you :tu


Same thing, no team has ever improved their strikeout totals with pitchers picked up off the waiver wire...at least, no team before you.


Take a bow Dan...it's your world, we're merely renting it.,

no offense but you have a personality of a pile of dead leaves, so uptight about everything.

[Thunder Dan]

btw, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict you waive Bonificisio(or whatever the fuck his name is) before the season is over.

I'm not saying I won't- I use people. I'm a wheeler and dealer. If you ain't producing, there is no room for you in my lineup. I've about had it with Jimmy Rollins so keep your eye on that waiver wire.

Plus, I'll be able to use The Hammer as a MI in a couple days so there will be a log jam at that position. If I have to choose between the Hammer and Rollins, I'm driving Jimmy to the airport

[FromWayDowntown]

but it's within the rules.

That's my bad.

This season is the reason it won't ever happen again on my watch.

It sucks to try to draft a well-balanced team only to discover that others didn't really do that and will just mill pitchers and make it impossible for you to win at least 2 pitching categories no matter how good your pitching might be.

[Thunder Dan]

That's my bad.

This season is the reason it won't ever happen again on my watch.

It sucks to try to draft a well-balanced team only to discover that others didn't really do that and will just mill pitchers and make it impossible for you to win at least 2 pitching categories no matter how good your pitching might be.

I just did it for a week. If my starters don't implode this week like last week I probably won't have to do it again. I mean my Cy Young gave up like 20 runs so I was forced in a corner- I wasn't just about to sit back and do nothing about it. It's just playing to win, sometimes you have your hand forced and you have to think outside the box

But here is my big question, if everyone is so sure this strategy can't win, why is it such a big deal?

[alamo50]

Holy shit!!!!!!!


Are you saying you picked up two guys off the waiver wire that helped you in categories and you plan on keeping them?

My god...this is revolutionary and will have ramifications throughout the fantasy baseball wo...nay, the entire fantasy sports World!.

Imagine, picking up guys off the waiver wire and using them to help your team.

Fucking genius.


Goddamn Dan...you've only been playing the game a week and you've discovered something new.

Exscuse me, you also pioneered jacking the W and K categories, a heretofore never before thought of strategy.


We are in awe...


Imagine, picking up guys off the waiver wire to help your team in certain categories...

And to think, all these years everryone else has been using the waiver wire without the intention of improving their team or keeping the players...they've just been aimlessly switching out players for the sheer hell of it until the maginificient intellect known as ThunderDan appeared on the scene to enlighten us that the waiver wire can actually be used to improve your team.



*faints*


:rollin


Dan, may I ask how old you are?

[Thunder Dan]

:rollin


dan, may i ask how old you are?

25


and that post by Whott was only funny because of how long it was and how much venom it had behind it. I mean the guy can't take some good natured ribbing, he takes everything so seriously. IT'S FANTASY BASEBALL. I like talking shit, and sometimes it doesn't even make sense, but Whott thinks he can convince me with stats and other antidotes that I don't care about. How about Whott lightens up a little bit and has some fun

[Melmart1]

But here is my big question, if everyone is so sure this strategy can't win, why is it such a big deal?

Because there are only four spots in the playoffs. With 10 people fighting for 4 spots, ridiculous use of the waiver wire could prevent a well-drafted team from making it because they didn't have time to keep up with the waiver-wire Joneses. It disrupts the league completely and rewards those who have too much time on their hands and get lucky on a scrub like the Japanese dude who is so good that you can't even remember his name.

[Thunder Dan]

Because there are only four spots in the playoffs. With 10 people fighting for 4 spots, ridiculous use of the waiver wire could prevent a well-drafted team from making it because they didn't have time to keep up with the waiver-wire Joneses. It disrupts the league completely and rewards those who have too much time on their hands and get lucky on a scrub like the Japanese dude who is so good that you can't even remember his name.

some people just have an iphone and superior talent evaluation skills of foreign born players. True champions are the ones that want it just a little bit more than the next guy.

And how can you say I didn't draft a good team!? Look at my lineup. It's a freakin All Star team full of Hall of Famers such as Manny, Utley and Chipper, and future Hall of Famers like Bonfinicio and Teahan

[Thunder Dan]

man there goes the no hitter. Good thing you didn't start him that WHIP would be screwed up now

[alamo50]

25


and that post by Whott was only funny because of how long it was and how much venom it had behind it. I mean the guy can't take some good natured ribbing, he takes everything so seriously. IT'S FANTASY BASEBALL. I like talking shit, and sometimes it doesn't even make sense, but Whott thinks he can convince me with stats and other antidotes that I don't care about. How about Whott lightens up a little bit and has some fun


You call yourself king and people are gonna burn your castle.
It's a Fantasy League from a sports forum, don;t take yourself and others too seriously.

I agree with you that you are only playing within the rules that were set.
I don't care personaly becaue the ERA and WHIP will always blow up in your face. The only dissapointment for me is that there are only 10 teams in this league.

[FromWayDowntown]

Because there are only four spots in the playoffs. With 10 people fighting for 4 spots, ridiculous use of the waiver wire could prevent a well-drafted team from making it because they didn't have time to keep up with the waiver-wire Joneses.

This is particularly true because the standings aren't really affected by whether Team A "wins" a given week or not, but by how many categories each team wins over the course of a season. If I'm not willing (or am unable) to mill the waiver wire and my opponent is, and it costs me two categories, it means that my unwillingness to make 100 transactions a week because of my inability to just sit on Yahoo all day long will cost me two otherwise-winnable categories in those weeks.

For crissakes, I could have drafted a team with no pitchers at all, milled the waiver wire all season, probably won K's and maybe wins in most weeks and will end up beating out teams that drafted quality SPs and good RPs.

Again, when we start this league again in 2010, there will be an innings pitched cap for the season. It won't even be put up for a vote.

[Thunder Dan]

It's a Fantasy League from a sports forum, don;t take yourself and others too seriously.


you can't possibly be talking to me. I thought this was a league to have fun with so that is what I'm doing. In return Whott and Melmart are giving me statistical breakdowns of the last 10 seasons of fantasy baseball and all other kinds of crap I have no use for. I have a strategy I believe in, and choose to play that way. They are my cards and I can do what I want with them. I just like riling people up that are talking this like it's life and death.

It shouldn't be a big deal because my strategy has proven to not work here, so you are all just taking my money, no big deal.

[Thunder Dan]

I probably won't be able to be doing much dumpster diving anyway once summer starts and there are less day games because my office here at work has a tv with MLB extra innings and that's basically all I do all day is watch baseball, but I don't have extra innings at home. That said, I do have a jailbreaked Iphone and am not scared to use it when I see a player I might enjoy inviting to join You Hang It, I Bang It

[Melmart1]

How about Whott lightens up a little bit and has some fun

Funny you say that, cus everyone was having fun till you got here.

[TheTruth]

I got mashed because your team put up something like 20 HR and 60 RBI, and you had a strong week in W.

You didn't win the W category due to all those pitchers you picked up though...I think you got 1 win out of them....Loshe.

You ended up winning the K category by 2, but if you notice I pulled Gregg at the last second(because he's been shaky and could just have easily cost me ERA and WHip as he could have tied K), and he ended up getting 2ks which would have tied us, in spite of a the 3 starter advantage you had over me. So all those extra pitchers gave you a 2 K advantage and probably ended up hurting you more in ERA and Whip than you realize.

I'll still take the 7 points this week. Don't really care how it happened. And I was
still one Carl Pavano start (a player I drafted) away from sweeping everything but saves.

[Thunder Dan]

Funny you say that, cus everyone was having fun till you got here.

yeah because having fun to you is what I consider boring. Who wants to sit around and just discuss baseball? Notice how in the Yahoo box there is a place to talk smack- that is what I'm doing. What is the point in fantasy sports if you can't talk some trash? I mean how old are you guys? A couple of you are all uptight. I'm the reason there is so much interest in this season so far, you need people like me.

the difference is that I can take it when people talk trash to me and I keep prospective (that it's fantasy), where some of you talk yourselves and fantasy baseball way too seriously and get upset when people rib you. Talk all the trash you want to me, I don't care, it's having fun.

[whottt]

no offense but you have a personality of a pile of dead leaves, so uptight about everything.

Dude...I was just joking. Get that stick out of your ass and learn to lighten up.

[TheTruth]

I can see why you guys would want a transaction cap. Most definitely. But since the rules are set the way they are, I'm going to use them to my advantage as much as possible. If it's a cheap way to steal K's then so be it.


You ended up winning the K category by 2, but if you notice I pulled Gregg at the last second(because he's been shaky and could just have easily cost me ERA and WHip as he could have tied K), and he ended up getting 2ks which would have tied us, in spite of a the 3 starter advantage you had over me. So all those extra pitchers gave you a 2 K advantage and probably ended up hurting you more in ERA and Whip than you realize.

Actually, me picking up Kyle Lohse and Ian Snell really helped get the ERA and WHip categories so close. So, no, they my strategy didn't keep me from getting those 2 categories. Brandon Morrow, Carl Pavano, Verlander, and Volquez (all players I drafted) kept me from winning those categories.

[TheTruth]

yeah because having fun to you is what I consider boring. Who wants to sit around and just discuss baseball? Notice how in the Yahoo box there is a place to talk smack- that is what I'm doing. What is the point in fantasy sports if you can't talk some trash? I mean how old are you guys? A couple of you are all uptight. I'm the reason there is so much interest in this season so far, you need people like me.

It's one thing to talk a little smack and another to bash a dude personall.

Your smack to start the season was fun, and kept things entertaining. You're turning into a whiny kid though right now. That isn't any fun.

[FromWayDowntown]

Dan has certainly livened this league up. Between March 2, 2008 and March 10, 2009, last year's league totaled 11 pages of discussion. We're a week into the 2009 season and we're already to 15 pages. I like that.

[TheTruth]

This is particularly true because the standings aren't really affected by whether Team A "wins" a given week or not, but by how many categories each team wins over the course of a season. If I'm not willing (or am unable) to mill the waiver wire and my opponent is, and it costs me two categories, it means that my unwillingness to make 100 transactions a week because of my inability to just sit on Yahoo all day long will cost me two otherwise-winnable categories in those weeks.

For crissakes, I could have drafted a team with no pitchers at all, milled the waiver wire all season, probably won K's and maybe wins in most weeks and will end up beating out teams that drafted quality SPs and good RPs.

Again, when we start this league again in 2010, there will be an innings pitched cap for the season. It won't even be put up for a vote.

I can really get behind a Innings or maybe a Starts cap. Much Much better than waiver wire caps.

[whottt]

I'll still take the 7 points this week. Don't really care how it happened. And I was
still one Carl Pavano start (a player I drafted) away from sweeping everything but saves.

Ok so now we see what you could have done had you not managed in absentia last season...

Question is, can and will you keep it up for the entire season?


I've never seen a Truth lead team make the playoffs yet in any league...I am curious to see what it looks like :smokin

[Thunder Dan]

It's one thing to talk a little smack and another to bash a dude personall.

Your smack to start the season was fun, and kept things entertaining. You're turning into a whiny kid though right now. That isn't any fun.

I'm sure Whott doesn't care what I think of him, just the same can be said with me. I'm just trying to make the point that it's just fantasy baseball and a)people should be talking as much trash as possible (I mean he chose to not start a guy who took a no hitter into the 7th inning and started 2 guys that didn't even play- you have to say something about that) and b) it's not going to matter if you win this, it's not going to be written on your tombstone that you won fantasy in 2009. Point is, it's not a big deal. If you don't like me trash talking then just put me on your ignore list.

and what I don't want is people giving me all kinds of statistical breakdowns of the downfalls of my team. It's my team, I chose it. I don't care what you think.

[TheTruth]

Ok so now we see what you could have done had you not managed in absentia last season...

Question is, can and will you keep it up for the entire season?


I've never seen a Truth lead team make the playoffs yet in any league...I am curious to see what it looks like :smokin

I tend to win Championships. How many have you won in the basketball leagues? You can have all the playoff appearances you want.

[whottt]

25


and that post by Whott was only funny because of how long it was and how much venom it had behind it.

It's called "sarcasm" and if you get into a shit talking contest with me you are going to get a lot of it. I know you probably think you just discovered that too...but trust me, it's been around for a while and you are the only person in this thread that is unaware that I use it liberally when talking shit.


You started it...if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[TheTruth]

lol, I'm 1 for 1.

I just need to make the playoffs more often.

[Thunder Dan]

It's called "sarcasm" and if you get into a shit talking contest with me you are going to get a lot of it. I know you probably think you just discovered that too...but trust me, it's been around for a while and you are the only person in this thread that is unaware that I use it liberally when talking shit.


You started it...if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

everyone knows that Matthew Perry invented sarcasm, that much is common knowledge- but it's hard to think you are joking around when you give me a 4 paragraph statistical breakdown of something I said.

[TheTruth]

Whott'll break it down. That's for damn sure.

[whottt]

but it's hard to think you are joking around when you give me a 4 paragraph statistical breakdown of something I said.

I did that because there were 4 paragraphs worth of wrong in what you said.

[whottt]

I gotta go make an F in a Spanish test...bbiab. For now I'll just say, Truth winning a championship is better and I've won nada...but being the fantasy clippers can't be that much fun.


Dan...it all depends on your philosophy of talking smack, your philosophy is great if you win, but it gives anyone that beats you a tremendous amound of satisfaction after doing so...my philosphy in talking smack when into it, is to talk so much shit that even if I lose the person regrets the entire experience and won't look forward to it again. It's kind of like getting into a fight...just because you might wind up getting your ass kicked is no reason to not do as much damage as you possibly can in the process of getting your ass kicked. Make the guy think twice about engaging you again even if he wins.

Live and learn grasshoppper.

[TheTruth]

I have a blast Whootttt.

[Thunder Dan]

Dan...it all depends on your philosophy of talking smack, your philosophy is great if you win, but it gives anyone that beats you a tremendous amound of satisfaction after doing so...my philosphy in talking smack when into it, is to talk so much shit that even if I lose the person regrets the entire experience and won't look forward to it again. It's kind of like getting into a fight...just because you might wind up getting your ass kicked is no reason to not do as much damage as you possibly can in the process of getting your ass kicked. Make the guy think twice about engaging you again even if he wins.


maybe you care a little more about what others think than I do. Do you think I care that Melmart beat me 6-4 last week? I don't. I don't care if I lose and others get more satisfaction from it. Again, it's fantasy baseball, its not like you are bragging about banging my wife or something. If I lose I don't care, and when I win you will all hear about it- it's just the nature of a good trash talker

What I am pissed about is pitchers getting scared to pitch to Manny. Hudson on 3rd with no outs and they walk him and let that chump Loney get the RBI. That's bullshit

[TheTruth]

Lol, should have drafted Andre Ethier. He's going to be sniping Manny's RBI's all season.

[timvp]

The plan that made sense to me from the beginning was a regular season + playoff cap of about 40. That way you don't have regular season waiver wire whores like whottt transaction themselves to the playoffs and you don't have playoff waiver wire whores like timvp to whine about. It would make the playing field completely even because a team would have to consider whether a move in April is worth risking maneuverability during the playoffs.

Having a non-cap regular season is just asking for what we've seen so far. And then switching to a cap during the playoffs basically changes the game we're playing and no longer are the four teams that are active necessarily the four best teams under the new rules.

All that said, I'll officially vote for "Yes, A". It basically eliminates myself from championship competition but I think it's best for the league. If FWD would proposition a regular season cap (or a regular season + postseason cap), I'd vote for that as well.

If someone is going to complain to the point they want their money back due to voted upon rule adjustments, I'll pay for their team and give the team to Kori to manage. :hat

[timvp]

Fail. 15 transactions in one week for the guy begging for a transaction cap? Classic. And injured players isn't an excuse. I have four players on the disabled list.


#1. You use that strategy to pick up non-dominican pitchers when you use it. So if you are going to end up using American pitchers to use that strategy, why not just do it to build a worthy pitching staff.I'm willing to outsource during the playoffs. The Dominicans get tired of carrying the load. We need some illegals to help out.


#2. You can play for wins in ERA and Whip using this All Dominican strategy. Since you are basically banking on winning at least 4 offensive categories with your Dominicans, why not just play for ERA and whip and use the cream of the crop of Dominican pitchers. Genius. :rolleyes

How about because they are all taken. The problem with the Dominican strategy is we don't believe in mediocrity. So by about the eighth or ninth round of the draft, all the Dominican studs have been taken.

Believe me, if I had free reign and exclusive rights to the Dominican players, no other team in this league would have a chance.


#3. Five transactions is more than enough to win W and K cheaply if you want to go that route...you just have to pick good pitchers to pull it off. BS. Four or five stud pitchers is worth about 14 to 15 suck pitchers. Believe me. I've tried to use the strategy. Five transactions is less than one day's work.

And to counter that, the other team would just need to copy it.

:lol @ the "strategy" still being effective with five transactions. Five would be lucky to cover injuries and days off.


And you're welcome :tuThanks for the fantasy advice. I obviously have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to fantasy sports.

[FromWayDowntown]

All that said, I'll officially vote for "Yes, A". It basically eliminates myself from championship competition but I think it's best for the league. If FWD would proposition a regular season cap (or a regular season + postseason cap), I'd vote for that as well.

With that vote, there are officially 5 votes for "Yes" as to Question No. 1, which concerned whether a change limiting post-season transactions should be instituted now.

By my count:

YES: Melmart, whottt, slayer, timvp, ATRAIN
NO: Dan, The Truth, alamo50
NOT VOTED YET: FWD, Eric B

My inclination is to vote "Yes" to question no. 1, too, which would make that the majority.

As such, the majority of the league (6 of 10) has voted to institute a cap on transactions for this year's post-season.

As to the second question, the voting also reveals a clear majority. Without my vote, there are 5 votes for option A, a limit that permits no more than 1-5 transactions per week. There are 3 votes for option E, no limit. There are no votes for options B, C, or D. Again, FWD and Eric B have abstained thus far. FWD will vote for option A, making that the majority choice.

[whottt]

Dan...no one has ever made the playoffs doing the strategy you are doing during the regular season.

Timvp has done it the playoffs, but he's never done it in the regular season. Which makes you wonder why the hell he does it in the post season...I mean if not doing it is good enough to get his team to the post season, it's good enough to win a championship.


And Truth isn't in this boat with you either even though it may seem like he is...I tope truthy starts dropping 5 pitchers per night...as he's got some pitching I'd like to get hold of. Even better if he drops some of his freaking hitters that laid 20 HR and 60 RBI on me last week(which I believe is probably a record)....


Bottom line is that other guys are voting for it just to keep the option open...you've actually pencilled yourself into having to do it.

[TheTruth]

I've limited my self to 2 roster spots that I could drop for pitching if ERA and Whip get out of reach for me.

[whottt]

15 transactions in one week for the guy begging for a transaction cap? Classic. And injured players isn't an excuse. I have four players on the disabled list.

Dude we can cap them if you want...I didn't play but 3 of the pickups I made last week. The rest was just picking up then decide if I want them.

If I see a guy that looks half interesting to me, I sign him, then I decide if I want him or not. The reason I do that is because in those second while you are analyzing stuff someone can snag a player from you.





I'm willing to outsource during the playoffs. The Dominicans get tired of carrying the load. We need some illegals to help out.

Genius. :rolleyes

How about because they are all taken. The problem with the Dominican strategy is we don't believe in mediocrity. So by about the eighth or ninth round of the draft, all the Dominican studs have been taken.

Believe me, if I had free reign and exclusive rights to the Dominican players, no other team in this league would have a chance.

LOL if you can win enough to make the playoffs with that staff, you can win a championship. I've seen you win weeks against the eventual champion withot using that strategy...I've never seen you beat the eventual champion using that strategy.



BS. Four or five stud pitchers is worth about 14 to 15 suck pitchers. Believe me. I've tried to use the strategy. Five transactions is less than one day's work.

And to counter that, the other team would just need to copy it.

:lol @ the "strategy" still being effective with five transactions. Five would be lucky to cover injuries and days off.

That's not really true...take a look at what Truth did this week.

Look, you can play for ERA and Whip just as easily as you can for K and W.




Thanks for the fantasy advice. I obviously have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to fantasy sports.

:lmao you are pretty much a stud in football and basketball..

Beisbol has not been beddy beddy good to you IMHO.

And you can't use the Dominican excuse either...because you didn't do that last year and you still tried to scam w and k with a drafted and refined staff.

You should just consider yourself lucky I didn't play that game with you last year...


Reason being, as long as I kept buffering the rest of the league from that strategy. I'd never pick up the converts I need to put a stop to it...so last year I refused to buffer it even after getting you in the thr first round again, and giving you bragging rights in the fantasy sport that I have dominated you in...lo and behold, I got new converts with every round you made it to :smokin

[whottt]

maybe you care a little more about what others think than I do.

On the contrary...you obviously care a great deal about what others think which is why you talk so much shit unsolicited in the first place.

I mean if knew your team was good you wouldn't be worried about convincing others it is or asking for approval of your Jim Thome draft pick.




Do you think I care that Melmart beat me 6-4 last week? I don't.

Hey it's your $25. Throw it away however you want.


I'll believe you don't care if you give me $25 right now...prove what you say.


If I lose I don't care, and when I win you will all hear about it- it's just the nature of a good trash talker

That's pretty hilarious coming from a guy who has done nothing but talk shit without winning even a week yet.



What I am pissed about is pitchers getting scared to pitch to Manny. Hudson on 3rd with no outs and they walk him and let that chump Loney get the RBI. That's bullshit


Someday when you grow up and are more mature you'll understand why a great hitter not having protection can give you this result.

There's no substitute for experience...but you'll figure it out as you learn more about life...


And fantasy baseball.

Been there done that. :sleep

[whottt]

Damn, at this rate I might be able to win the K race just with my closers.

Incidentally...if you are so worried about K's you should probably hold on to your good closers, since they overwhelminingly have the highest K per IP rates in the game...I figure you gave up about 6-7 k's a week when you traded your closer....which looking at your staff is probably the best k per week rate of anyone on your entire pitching staff.

And oh yeah, ,they rack up their K's usually along with microscopic era and whip totals while they are doing it.


As you learn more about the game you'll stop making these sorts of mistakes.

[Thunder Dan]

Melmart was up 23 Ks on Friday and I pulled it off. It just so happens that all your closers play for shitty teams so they could be done for the week

[whottt]

Compared to who are they shitty teams?

Like for instance...KC has got 2 more games against the 1-6 Indians...they aren't shitty compared to the Indians.

1-6 is shitty compared to any other team in the league.

[whottt]

Melmart was up 23 Ks on Friday and I pulled it off. It just so happens that all your closers play for shitty teams so they could be done for the week

I hate to break it to you but Melmart could have taken the K easily if she wanted too...I think it was probably something about principles.

In case you didn't notice, you lost with your strategy last week.

[whottt]

And with that turd your pitching staff took tonight for a whopping 2 K gain against a team that hasn't even used it's starters yet...I suggest you hit that waiver wire quick.

At this rate I might not even have to use my starters this week.


Hurry up and turn those pitchers...time's a wasting.


Go on...get to work.


Unlike the playoffs, the entirity of the pitching waiver wire is your kindgom right now :tu

[Thunder Dan]

Sorry but I refuse to take advice from a guy that started 3 guys that didn't even play today. Yeah Carmona and Lester had bad outings, but I still have a solid week of hitting coming and I'll be able to take a pitching category

[Thunder Dan]

LMAO, you are calling my pitching staff shitty? Your best pitcher will be suspended by Friday and all the others could easily implode just as Lester and Carmona did tonight. Plus, you in all your genius sat a guy that tossed a no hitter until the 7th inning, and started 3 guys that didn't even take the field.

My Japanese Phenom will give me 8-9K's, Haren will give me 7-8, Lester will give me 5-7, and my other guys will give me 15-20..so if your closers can give you 80 K's then they are something else because that is what it will take to beat me

[whottt]

Sorry but I refuse to take advice from a guy that started 3 guys that didn't even play today.

Pssst slick...I started every guy on my roster whose team was playing today with the exception of Justin Upton who might just be shittiest hitter in baseball right now this side of Lastings(was on the waiver wire more last year than Jim Thome) Milledge......

Tell me Eintstein, who on my roster would you have started instead? The other 5 guys whose teams weren't even playing today? Or the guy hitless 7 games into the season?

It's called a Monday...not to be confused with a Thursday.



Yeah Carmona and Lester had bad outings, but I still have a solid week of hitting coming

Damn...I didn't think about that, and all my hitters are already done for the week unlike yours.

Shit.



and I'll be able to take a pitching category

Looks to me like you are doing a pretty good job of taking the ERA and Whip categories this season...just not in the way you want.

[Melmart1]

I hate to break it to you but Melmart could have taken the K easily if she wanted too...I think it was probably something about principles.

In case you didn't notice, you lost with your strategy last week.

Yeah, he needed eight extra starts that he picked up off the wire to beat me by two K's. If I had resorted to his tactics (because this is not a "strategy") then I could have easily won that category. If I don't make the playoffs by one loss, I will likely look back on this and regret it. But hopefully it won't come to that.

[Thunder Dan]

Pssst slick...I started every guy on my roster whose team was playing today with the exception of Justin Upton who might just be shittiest hitter in baseball right now this side of Lastings(was on the waiver wire more last year than Jim Thome) Milledge......

Tell me Eintstein, who on my roster would you have started instead? The other 5 guys whose teams weren't even playing today? Or the guy hitless 7 games into the season?



Ted Lilly out hit the guys you started



















It's called a Monday...not to be confused with a Thursday.
















I know what day it is


















Damn...I didn't think about that, and all my hitters are already done for the week unlike yours.





have you looked at your lineup? Aside from David Wright the rest of your team sucks












Shit.




Looks to me like you are doing a pretty good job of taking the ERA and Whip categories this season...just not in the way you want.


I had 2 terrible outings tonight and I'm still close in WHIP
























.

[whottt]

Ted Lilly out hit the guys you started


He got more AB's.



































I know what day it is

I think the significance is lost on you due to your newbieness.























have you looked at your lineup? Aside from David Wright the rest of your team sucks

Well they're no Jim Thomes that's for sure.

















I had 2 terrible outings tonight and I'm still close in WHIP
You really aren't...I could have about triple the Whip you have right now(ditto ERA) and it still wouldn't be close.

[Thunder Dan]

this is bullshit- The Tigers game is postponed to a later date and I can't take them out of my lineup

[slayermin]

this is bullshit- The Tigers game is postponed to a later date and I can't take them out of my lineup

Welcome to the Spurstalk Smackdown Grind.

[Thunder Dan]

Josh Beckett Suspended 6 Games! Who has then on their fantasy team?

[Melmart1]

Josh Beckett Suspended 6 Games! Who has then on their fantasy team?

Who cares? Six games for an SP= 1 start. When they suspend pitchers it should be for six starts instead of games for it to have the same impact as a position player.

[FromWayDowntown]

I want Swisher's inning from last night. Outside of Halladay and Santana's work, it's probably about the best inning my staff has put together this year.

[TheTruth]

Damn, Volquez and Gallardo decided they wanted to suck ass when facing each other. At least one of them got the win.


Shit....

[Thunder Dan]

Hey Whott, that was a solid outing by Dice-K last night. I'm willing to bet my Japanese stud will have a better outing tomorrow

[TheTruth]

Dan...no one has ever made the playoffs doing the strategy you are doing during the regular season.

Timvp has done it the playoffs, but he's never done it in the regular season. Which makes you wonder why the hell he does it in the post season...I mean if not doing it is good enough to get his team to the post season, it's good enough to win a championship.


And Truth isn't in this boat with you either even though it may seem like he is...I tope truthy starts dropping 5 pitchers per night...as he's got some pitching I'd like to get hold of. Even better if he drops some of his freaking hitters that laid 20 HR and 60 RBI on me last week(which I believe is probably a record)....


Bottom line is that other guys are voting for it just to keep the option open...you've actually pencilled yourself into having to do it.
after 2 1/2 days i'm on pace to at least match it. Guess we'll see if some of my players stay hot.

[whottt]

Hey Whott, that was a solid outing by Dice-K last night. I'm willing to bet my Japanese stud will have a better outing tomorrow

And I'm willing to bet you have a pitcher go on the DL before the season is over, like Dice K now is...making this entire line of arguing stupid on your part.


One thing you'll learn as get more experienced at fantasy baseball...

There are no certainties when it comes to pitching...

Well except for one...

And that's that with the current state of your roster, you are going to either lose or at best tie in the saves category every week for the rest of the season.

Anything else?

[EricB]

Need relievers, please send trade offers :)

[ATRAIN]

Damn Truth and I are really battling it out this week, this looks to maybe be decided over the weekend.

[Thunder Dan]

Hahahahaha The Hammer with a 4/5 night!!!

[Thunder Dan]

Man I was at a concert and missed the Hammer's big night. How about this line: 5/6 a HR a double and 3 Runs scored. See that's just great scouting by me. You all laughed when I picked him up, but I picked him up for days like today when his true potential comes out.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1133/1473967253_e877b82a1d.jpg

[TheTruth]

what was your reason for picking up Alex Gordon? BUST!!!!!

[Thunder Dan]

Welp Whott, It appears that this is one of those cases of student beating the teacher . Looks like you still have some work to do before we can consider you a serious contender for the title. A 6-4 win is nice, however if Lilly pitched tonight it would be 8-2 or 7-3 at the very least since I closed in on WHIP and ERA. It's a shame my team didn't bother to steal any bases this week, or it would have been 9-1.

No shame in losing though Whott, don't hang your head

[Thunder Dan]

what was your reason for picking up Alex Gordon? BUST!!!!!

he is just hurt, no big deal. He has the same injury Arod has, it's an injury all great hitters get at some point in their career.

[whottt]

Welp Whott, It appears that this is one of those cases of student beating the teacher . Looks like you still have some work to do before we can consider you a serious contender for the title. A 6-4 win is nice, however if Lilly pitched tonight it would be 8-2 or 7-3 at the very least since I closed in on WHIP and ERA. It's a shame my team didn't bother to steal any bases this week, or it would have been 9-1.

No shame in losing though Whott, don't hang your head

Don't forget I didn't start Lilly the first game of the week either. Not to mention Dice K going out after an inning with a 45 era.

As for the 6-4 loss, don't feel too special, I would have lost by at least that score to every team in the league this week and in fact I had an incredibly shitty week offensively...

Thankfully utilizing your strategy you conceded me ERA and WHIP and that held up.....like I said before you did it, thanks, because my team kind of sucks in ERA and whip right now.

OTOH, I improved my team a little in the steals category and even won it, which, has been the focus of pretty much all 21 waiver moves I have made and was my major focus of the week since I only got like 2 or something last week.

[Thunder Dan]

Don't forget I didn't start Lilly the first game of the week either. Not to mention Dice K going out after an inning with a 45 era.

As for the 6-4 loss, don't feel too special, I would have lost by at least that score to every team in the league this week and in fact I had an incredibly shitty week offensively...

Thankfully utilizing your strategy you conceded me ERA and WHIP and that held up.....like I said before you did it, thanks, because my team kind of sucks in ERA and whip right now.

OTOH, I improved my team a little in the steals category and even won it, which was my major focus of the week since I only got like 2 or something last week.

same could be said for shitty starts I got from Baker and Lester earlier in the week. Assuming either of them just play decent it's a 8-2 victory for the good guys

[Ginofan]

Good week Atrain. If I hadn't been a dumbass and benched Ethier on Monday it would have been a little better for me.

[ATRAIN]

Good week Atrain. If I hadn't been a dumbass and benched Ethier on Monday it would have been a little better for me.

Yeah I know I had a few bonehead mistakes.....some I dont think would have made much of a difference but things could have turned out different but could have made things worse for me at the same time. Good week to you too, we fought each other off pretty good, looking forward to the rematch.

[FromWayDowntown]

If the Yankees' Wang wasn't useless . . . .

[TheTruth]

Why are the Autodraft teams always tough?

[Thunder Dan]

all my games are going to be rained out this week. That's the only way I lose

[Thunder Dan]

why can't you get up to the second stats on Yahoo now, it wait until the end of the night to post them?

[Thunder Dan]

:lmao at you thinking that Vmart is anything more than below average for a starting 1b.


Picking Vmart as your 1b was a mistake. The guy is getting old, and i no way will ever perform as more than a barely average first baseman.

30 is pretty old for a catcher. Especially one that has already shown signs of breaking down. He did miss a few games last year, right?


Bump! :rollin:rollin

Batting Average .397
HR 4
RBI 9
OBP .463
Slug .707

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/7258f3f2-fc68-473c-9c41-ea534c81a9e1.jpg

I win, you lose

[ATRAIN]

Why are the Autodraft teams always tough?

like?

[alamo50]

why can't you get up to the second stats on Yahoo now, it wait until the end of the night to post them?

It was a trial till April 19th.
Now you got to pay $10 to get it.
I paid up.

[rascal]

How did timvp get Pujols with the last pick in the draft? And if he traded for a top 3 pick who was the moron to trade with him? The 11th pick is not much better than the players you can get in the 3rd round.

Pujols should have been drafted before pick 10.
And letting him get his targeted Dominican players is foolish. Those players are some of the best in the league.

[FromWayDowntown]

How did timvp get Pujols with the last pick in the draft? And if he traded for a top 3 pick who was the moron to trade with him? The 11th pick is not much better than the players you can get in the 3rd round.

Pujols should have been drafted before pick 10.
And letting him get his targeted Dominican players is foolish. Those players are some of the best in the league.

Pujols was selected #2. Melmart, who won the league last year, traded with him and ended up with Kinsler, Lincecum, and Jake Peavy. For the moment, Melmart's team is better than timvp's team, for whatever it's worth. Her teams have finished 2nd and 1st in the two years of this league's existence, so I'd think it a bit early to call her trade a foolish one.

And I don't think anyone was just letting timvp get his targeted Dominican players. In fact, at certain points, one could argue that timvp reached to get Dominican players and left better non-Dominican players on the board.

[Thunder Dan]

anyone want Scott Baker?

[ATRAIN]

Who has Carlos Q? I want him on my team.

[alamo50]

Who has Carlos Q? I want him on my team.

:hat

[Thunder Dan]

Who has Carlos Q? I want him on my team.

what autodraft didn't draft him for you?

[ATRAIN]

what autodraft didn't draft him for you?

:bang no but had I been there in time I would have drafted him, although I dont know if he would have fallen to me. You make it seem like I missed the whole draft.......is that jealousy of me being on top?

[Thunder Dan]

:bang no but had I been there in time I would have drafted him, although I dont know if he would have fallen to me. You make it seem like I missed the whole draft.......is that jealousy of me being on top?

you are like Phil Jackson and I am like Greg Popvich

You were handed a team to manage so it makes you look good. I built my team from the ground up and manage accordingly. I'm the 3 Headed Monster of Owner/GM/Manager, while you were not granted the GM title. So basically, when I win victory is much sweeter, and when you win it comes with conditions. The rest of us developed at strategy, evaluated talent, and drafted accordingly. Autodrafters had a computer do it for them. That is why some people have a problem with it.

[ATRAIN]

you are like Phil Jackson and I am like Greg Popvich

You were handed a team to manage so it makes you look good. I built my team from the ground up and manage accordingly. I'm the 3 Headed Monster of Owner/GM/Manager, while you were not granted the GM title. So basically, when I win victory is much sweeter, and when you win it comes with conditions. The rest of us developed at strategy, evaluated talent, and drafted accordingly. Autodrafters had a computer do it for them. That is why some people have a problem with it.

Well I did some pre-ranking cause I knew I was going to miss the beggining, and as you know I showed up later so I wouldnt say this team was "given" to me. I got some of the guys I pre-ranked and wanted and got some I didnt want, its part of the risk. Also if I had not made any moves and won then I could see your argument but part of coaching is keeping an eye out for talent to help take you to the promise land. Im sure its going to drive you guys crazy when a "autodraft" team wins it all lol.

[whottt]

Damn that was an asskicking. Props Alamo, I don't recall ever losing this badly before.

[alamo50]

Not bad for an 100% autodraft squad, is it?

:)

Appreciate the props whottt.
I just couldn't get the 2 extra steals.

Dan is up next.

:hat

[Thunder Dan]

Damn that was an asskicking. Props Alamo, I don't recall ever losing this badly before.

It's called letting the computer do all the work for you.

[Thunder Dan]

Welp, that's 2 weeks in a row I took care of the fantasy know-it all's. If not for a late, meaningless homer I win 7-3 yesterday, but I will take a solid win.

How about my shitty starting catcher/first baseman? He is only hitting .400 with 5 homers.

Once Rollins starts hitting over .180, you are all in a world of trouble.

[alamo50]

Hahaha, wow that was even faster than I thought Danny boy!
Have you seen the 16 moves I made to get this team to #1?
I didn't make those moves just to get a leg up in the pitching stats. It was for a different reason.

Aren't people who don't autodraft supposed to be in advantage over autodrafters? I just went with the on hand rankings.

I came into this league not knowing shit about baseball for the last 10-15 years and now I am completely back into it again like shit on Kobe.

Thanks for dropping Scott Downs 4 days ago by the way!
Hence my vote for the unlimited moves during the season so I can make a profit from guys like you.

P.S.
Good luck this week, it would have been a 6-3 victory for me with the stats from last week.

[Thunder Dan]

Thanks for dropping Scott Downs 4 days ago by the way!
Hence my vote for the unlimited moves during the season so I can make a profit from guys like you.

.

I didn't need him since I'm not going for saves. I dropped him and the rest of my relievers to get me a starter to get my WHIP down, give me a chance in wins, and get some K's. It's worked out for me. Relievers are expendable to me. The only one I keep is Arradando just because he is normally solid unless coming off a b2b. If something were to happen and he would become a closer I would trade him. There are guys like Downs all over the league. I have like 5 on my watchlist. Whats the big deal that he is now a closer? You picked up some saves, but all you need is 1 to beat me

[alamo50]

I don't need any saves to beat you.
Feel free to react to the other comments I made not involving you too.

[Thunder Dan]

I don't need any saves to beat you.
Feel free to react to the other comments I made not involving you too.

you thanked me for dropping Scott Downs, how is that not involving me?

[Thunder Dan]

Jessica Simpson picking her NCAA bracket by who's colors she likes the best thinks Autodrafting is lame.

[alamo50]

I would have been there if the draft wouldn't have been in the middle of the night for me during the week.

But still, just take the time to look at the moves I made.
THAT'S why I am #1 at the moment.

[alamo50]

you thanked me for dropping Scott Downs, how is that not involving me?

That's what I said.
Now react to the other comments not involving you................

:sleep

[EricB]

I need a trade for a couple closers please :lol hope to get some trade offers

[Thunder Dan]

Man Alamo your team is starting off hot. That computer must have really studied it's fantasy guides before the draft

[alamo50]

How do you mean, this is average for my squad.

:hat

Don't you wish you had used the given pre-rankings to your advantage now?
Don't you feel ashamed that a pre-ranked auto drafted team is beating you after the 1st matchup day already?

:bang

If I had any baseball knowledge and drafted myself, I surely would have tried to outsmart the pre-rankings that were there for everybody to work with.

But still, don't cry too long young horn tooter.
It's all in the moves I made after the draft.

:pimpslap

I just picked up Wakefield and look what he did yesterday.

:king

[Thunder Dan]

Wakefield is so hit or miss I wouldn't bank on him. He could throw a 2 hit shutout one day and give up 10 runs the next

[Thunder Dan]

the Papelbon for Haren trade now looks like the genius move it was a month ago

[Thunder Dan]

Whott, whats the deal, you are no longer here to offer advice now that your team is 8-21?

[whottt]

Whott, whats the deal, you are no longer here to offer advice now that your team is 8-21?


I'd be insulted if you hadn't taken just about all my advice. As it is I'm just waiting for you to waive Bonaficio or whatever the fuck his name is.

And you got raped on the Papelbon trade.


And one other bit of advice...anyone can talk shit at any time. As it is, you've talked more shit through the first 3 weeks of the season than everyone else in the entire history of the league combined, total, in all previous years.

[alamo50]

As it is, you've talked more shit through the first 3 weeks of the season than everyone else in the entire history of the league combined, total, in all previous years.


But there's a hughe difference in talking shit and talking SHIIYYAAAAT.

[Thunder Dan]

I'd be insulted if you hadn't taken just about all my advice. As it is I'm just waiting for you to waive Bonaficio or whatever the fuck his name is.


like you dropping Dexter Fowler a couple days before he steals 5 bases then you pick him right back up thinking he will do it again? LMAO nice move :rollin:rollin

[ATRAIN]

the Papelbon for Haren trade now looks like the genius move it was a month ago

Yeah it hasnt helped me much but I replaced Haren with a good pitcher in Felix Hernandez. Papelbon will get his saves and help me win that cat from time to time.

[Thunder Dan]

I would still be 0-3 in saves whether I had Papelbon or not, I wouldn't have won K's or ERA once if I didn't have Haren. For Whott to say I got fleeced is crazy, but then again, he has only won 8 times this year and likely only 9 after this week so maybe he doesn't understand genius baseball moves

[Thunder Dan]

Whott,

How come you chastise me for eventually dropping Bonifacio when you are basically doing the same thing with Nefi Morgan?

[whottt]

Whott,

How come you chastise me for eventually dropping Bonifacio when you are basically doing the same thing with Nefi Morgan?

You don't see me on here talking shit about them being genius pickups.

Furthermore, I've waived and added them both probably 3 times apiece going to back to the first week of the season, not to mention several other players I'd done similar things with...and the reasoning behind it really has nothing to do with whether or not they can steal bases, for I know they can, they can steal 40 bases easily...the reason I keep adding and dropping them is because it doesn't matter how many bases they can steal if the manager won't let them steal them, because he doesn't want to take the bats out of his havy hitters hands...or keep them(basestealers) in the lineup.

Furthermore I aslo want runs which has the been the weakest part of my offense so far...and while I know Fowler will score runs if he's kept in the lead, he's not a full time player yet...it's possible Morgan won't score runs even if he get every day PT, because his lineup is not that potent and neither is their park.

And that's what I am trying to figure out. I already know they'll both be good pickups for the purpose of stolen bases and possibly runs, if they are allowed to be...it's one thing to figure who the players that can put up the numbers are, quite another for the manager to actually let them do it.

For instance, the Astros have a pretty decent running team, but for some reason they flat out refuse to run like they did last season.



And don't get too full of yourself...

My team sucks right now, part of it is because I drafted second half players, part of it is injuries, part of it is that my team actually is sucking right now, in particular my best players(supposedly) are currently my worst...


It also doesn't help that I've played 3 of the top 5 hottest teams(key word being hot)in viritually every offensive category the first 3 weeks of the season.

[Thunder Dan]

My team sucks right now, part of it is because I drafted second half players, part of it is injuries, part of it is that my team actually is sucking right now, in particular my best players(supposedly) are currently my worst...


It also doesn't help that I've played 3 of the top 5 hottest teams(key word being hot)in viritually every offensive category the first 3 weeks of the season.

I could use that same excuse since my #1 pick is hitting .180 with 1SB, Lester has sucked, Alex Gordon is out for a couple months, and Scott Baker is getting shelled...

But You Hang It, I Bang It doesn't make excuses, we just produce results.

[whottt]

I could use that same excuse since my #1 pick is hitting .180 with 1SB, Lester has sucked, Alex Gordon is out for a couple months, and Scott Baker is getting shelled...

But You Hang It, I Bang It doesn't make excuses, we just produce results.

Yeah well if it was just one player my team wouldn't suck...it's my two best pitchers and like 5 of my top 4 hitters. There's no way they'll suck this bad fore the entire season...it's not an excuse, it's just a completely accurate assessment of the reality of this situation.

Meanwhile...Bonaficio is not a basestealer, you just think he is right now.

[whottt]

And while we're on this subject...would someone tell Soscia to pull his head out of his ass and stop trying to destroy his potential 40hr/40sb 3b/ss as his team goes down the tubes.

[Thunder Dan]

Yeah well if it was just one player my team wouldn't suck...it's my two best pitchers and like 5 of my top 4 hitters. There's no way they'll suck this bad fore the entire season...it's not an excuse, it's just a completely accurate assessment of the reality of this situation.

Meanwhile...Bonaficio is not a basestealer, you just think he is right now.

is that why he has 6 Stolen Bases?


and the player I was referring to was Jimmy Rollins who got his first SB last night, but is still hitting under .200

[ATRAIN]

Blockbuster Trade number 2 is in the works!!

[Thunder Dan]

Won't turn out any better than Haren on You Hang It, I Bang It

[Thunder Dan]

computer based teams are like having a bake contest and going and getting pre-made cookie dough cookies to enter the contest. It shows no skill, no strategy, nothing. Just let the computer do it all for you.

[alamo50]

Move #17 executed and #18 in the works young horn tooter.
Oh and by the way, you are trailing 3-7 by now.

Teahan: 2/16 this week.
You just hang!

[Thunder Dan]

I took a flyer on Teahen bc I watched spring training, the computer took a flyer on Jorge Cantu who for whatever reason is Lou Gerihg/Babe Ruth this week. That's the difference, you made minor moves that really don't matter and you hid behind the foundation the computer drafted for you. There is no coincidence that you and Atrain are leading- the computer drafts very well and give you very deep teams and sets you up to win, it takes out any bit of skill out of it.

I'll talk shit to anyone but you and ATrain because you 2 are computers, I'd just talk shit to a microwave and get further

[alamo50]

Hahahaha, I am enjoying this week a lot.

Dude, YOU SUCK! You got the biggest mouth in here and you ain't absolutely got nothing to show for. You should have drafted better than the pre-rankings that my computer used.

And no, I am not trading Hudson to you.
You could have taken him yourself before my computer took him in the 26th round.

:loser

[Thunder Dan]

I'm .5 game out of the organic league, so that's pretty good. If Cantu doesn't have his career season all in one week I'm up. So I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Cantu doesn't hit 4 homers and 11 RBI's a week from here on out. You take his line out and I'd win this week, and seeing as he is a bum, you can't feel too good about that.

[ATRAIN]

I took a flyer on Teahen bc I watched spring training, the computer took a flyer on Jorge Cantu who for whatever reason is Lou Gerihg/Babe Ruth this week. That's the difference, you made minor moves that really don't matter and you hid behind the foundation the computer drafted for you. There is no coincidence that you and Atrain are leading- the computer drafts very well and give you very deep teams and sets you up to win, it takes out any bit of skill out of it.

I'll talk shit to anyone but you and ATrain because you 2 are computers, I'd just talk shit to a microwave and get further

HA

I came in late to the draft so not much would have changed had I been there since I created my pre-ranks. I have made moves to what I want my team to produce, (pulling off a few trades in the process). Ultimatly we can have a DEEP Bench but its choosing who to start and and not is all about coaching. Go ahead and keep crying about "computer" drafted teams, its just making you look like bad. Maybe you should autodraft your teams from now on. You seem to be the only one bothered by it. You call it a computer draft but the computer drafted my first few rounds based on guys I wanted it to draft. You are aware that you can do that right? Whats the difference from pre-ranking to cuing up your picks in your draft cue?

[Thunder Dan]

the difference is knowing the players to draft besides the rankings. Human drafters don't take into account what teams they play for and things like that, the computer won't draft guys on the same team so one night you only have 5 guys playing. They pick so you hardly ever have more than 1 guy on a team. That's the difference, it's not about rankings. Like last night, I think I had 4 guys that had games, and Alamo had a full roster- that's the difference. Humans don't have the time to think about the schedule and all of that, it's built into the computer to draft that way.

Besides all of that, I'm still in good position to get a 5-4 win this week. I'll be like Dwight Schrute and beat the computer

[ATRAIN]

the difference is knowing the players to draft besides the rankings. Human drafters don't take into account what teams they play for and things like that, the computer won't draft guys on the same team so one night you only have 5 guys playing. They pick so you hardly ever have more than 1 guy on a team. That's the difference, it's not about rankings. Like last night, I think I had 4 guys that had games, and Alamo had a full roster- that's the difference. Humans don't have the time to think about the schedule and all of that, it's built into the computer to draft that way.

Besides all of that, I'm still in good position to get a 5-4 win this week. I'll be like Dwight Schrute and beat the computer

Thats retarted....plus pay attention......IF I PRERANK 2 guys on the same team it will pick them if they are avail. Knowing that there are times you wont have a full roster I pre ranked based on this. Shit there has been plenty of times I havent had a full roster. It happens. I guess you couldnt have pre-ranked and auto drafted since you decided to draft based on trying to exploit the "pitching" rules or lack of rules.

[Thunder Dan]

Thats retarted....plus pay attention......IF I PRERANK 2 guys on the same team it will pick them if they are avail. Knowing that there are times you wont have a full roster I pre ranked based on this. Shit there has been plenty of times I havent had a full roster. It happens. I guess you couldnt have pre-ranked and auto drafted since you decided to draft based on trying to exploit the "pitching" rules or lack of rules.

I will prevail. I didn't need to prerank anything since I was at the draft. I am a champion and champions always prevail. I will say though that a) I can't run faster than a car, b)I can't do math better than a calculator, and c) I can't out draft a computer in fantasy baseball

[ATRAIN]

I will prevail. I didn't need to prerank anything since I was at the draft. I am a champion and champions always prevail. I will say though that a) I can't run faster than a car, b)I can't do math better than a calculator, and c) I can't out draft a computer in fantasy baseball

LMAO so WHEN I win am I getting an * by my championship?

[Thunder Dan]

LMAO so WHEN I win am I getting an * by my championship?

I would vote yes on that.

You and Alamo are like Charlie Weiss, you win with Ty Williamhams recruits. I am like Pete Carrol, I build from the ground up so when I win I can feel good about it and not get fired when I actually recruit my own players and suck. It's exactly like that.

[ATRAIN]

I would vote yes on that.

You and Alamo are like Charlie Weiss, you win with Ty Williamhams recruits. I am like Pete Carrol, I build from the ground up so when I win I can feel good about it and not get fired when I actually recruit my own players and suck. It's exactly like that.

Maybe your just a bad GM. I drafted my team as a rookie GM last year and GUESS what I made the playoffs. The draft isnt always what makes your team successful and a good GM. Waiver wire pick ups, trades and knowing who to start does. My draft was decent last year but it was my free agent pick ups that put me into the playoffs that made me successful. Yes the draft is the foundation but you still have work to do from there. So can I laugh at you when you DON'T make playoffs?

[Thunder Dan]

Maybe your just a bad GM. I drafted my team as a rookie GM last year and GUESS what I made the playoffs. The draft isnt always what makes your team successful and a good GM. Waiver wire pick ups, trades and knowing who to start does. My draft was decent last year but it was my free agent pick ups that put me into the playoffs that made me successful. Yes the draft is the foundation but you still have work to do from there. So can I laugh at you when you DON'T make playoffs?

you're crazy if you think I'm not making the playoffs. My team isn't preforming in the least bit (Rollins hitting .200 with 1 SB!, Manny with like 10 RBI's, Lester with a ERA over 7 and 1 win, Mags hitting like .230 with 1 homer and 2 homers) and despite all that, if the season ended today I would be in the playoffs.

[ATRAIN]

you're crazy if you think I'm not making the playoffs. My team isn't preforming in the least bit (Rollins hitting .200 with 1 SB!, Manny with like 10 RBI's, Lester with a ERA over 7 and 1 win, Mags hitting like .230 with 1 homer and 2 homers) and despite all that, if the season ended today I would be in the playoffs.

Your not making playoffs, im calling it right now.

[Thunder Dan]

Your not making playoffs, im calling it right now.

you are about to be humbled

9K-wEUCCvE0

[ATRAIN]

oh its on

[ATRAIN]

Oh yeah Dan on got Carlos Q on my team now...........BOOM CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

[FromWayDowntown]

If anyone is looking for outfielders with any number of different skill sets, I've got them and am willing to make a deal, particularly one for pitching:

Carlos Lee (power)
Jacoby Ellsbury (speed)
Nate McLouth (power + speed)
Bobby Abreu (OBP + SB)
Jermaine Dye (power)
Johnny Damon (OBP)
Nick Swisher
Conor Jackson

While none of these guys is untouchable, they will come with differing prices (their order above is not necessarily representative of my valuation of the players)

[EricB]

IF anyone is looking to trade a closer, I'd be more than happy to make a deal :lol

[Melmart1]

Sorry Commish, it's nothing personal. :oops

Now time to send Atrain off the rails. :ihit

[ATRAIN]

Sorry Commish, it's nothing personal. :oops

Now time to send Atrain off the rails. :ihit

Good luck trying Mel!!!!!

[ATRAIN]

Damn I trade Crawford and the guy goes nuts and steals 6 bases in one game!!!! Good thing I won that cat. or else I would be pissed.

[TheTruth]

Got dang Stephen Drew. How long does a sore Vagina really need to heal?

[Melmart1]

Good luck trying Mel!!!!!

Your SP tonight is 4-8 all-time against the Rangers. Just sayin.'

[ATRAIN]

Your SP tonight is 4-8 all-time against the Rangers. Just sayin.'

Dont be scared.

[ATRAIN]

Got dang Stephen Drew. How long does a sore Vagina really need to heal?

You can ask melmart next week. She is going to know after I give it to her hard this week.

[TheTruth]

I didn't pay much attention to this league last year, so I'm not really sure if Whott was any better then. Because damn, his team is bad right now.

[ATRAIN]

You can ask melmart next week. She is going to know after I give it to her hard this week.

Or I guess you can ask Thunderdan. Alamo gave it to him pretty hard this past week.

[TheTruth]

Or I guess you can ask Thunderdan. Alamo gave it to him pretty hard this past week.

Nah, I can't talk much shit to Thunderdan. He caught me the week I went on my bachelor party and left Stephen Drew, Brandon Morrow, and a few other injured players in my lineup all week. He beat me like I'm going to beat Alamo this week.