11/6 - Spurs @ Trailblazers Game blog

[Parker2112]

i want to see a defensive tone from the start. Ratliff, bogans and hill. If they have to start to help set the tone then i am all for it.

+1000

[bigdog]

Like I said a few posts ago if TP is that gassed then he needs to come in off the bench when he comes back.

I want to see a defensive tone from the start. Ratliff, Bogans and Hill. If they have to start to help set the tone then I am all for it.

I agree 100%, but do you really think Ratliff would start if he hasn't gotten any minutes?

[duncan228]

Why did Parker only play 11 minutes??


Tony Parker suffered a sprained ankle in the first half and is not expected to play in the second half.

Jeff McDonald: X-rays on TP were negative. Team source says initial diagnosis is doesn't seem to be too serious.

[Budkin]

WAY too early to panic. If we had just played well in the first quarter we prolly get the win. Sucks to lose but it's freaking November the 6th.

[Ice009]

I agree 100%, but do you really think Ratliff would start if he hasn't gotten any minutes?

Ratliff only needs to play 5 minutes or so to get the game started. When teams look at him walking out there that will make a difference compared to seeing Bonner trot out there.

[VivaPopovich]

Ugh yeah, but we're not winning a championship with Tony Parker coming off the bench and not closing games

His defense is just something he needs to work on. He's not going to be blocking shots like Hill but he can get some more steals

[Parker2112]

I agree 100%, but do you really think Ratliff would start if he hasn't gotten any minutes?

Pop would never start him, but I think he would be a great compliment to Timmy, I would love to find out what they could do together.

[Morg1411]

Good loss...and the "losing" part pretty much happened in the first quarter.

RJ, Dice, Bogans, Hill all looked solid.

Now that we've helped both Utah and Portland exorsize their fucking demons and feel all nansy-pansy about themselves, we can stop being the Charlie Browns of the NBA and play some more fucking defense...like we did in the second half of that game. :tu

I'm impressed as hell we cut it as close as we did.

[NewJerSpur]

Ugh yeah, but we're not winning a championship with Tony Parker coming off the bench and not closing games

His defense is just something he needs to work on. He's not going to be blocking shots like Hill but he can get some more steals

I don't think anyone is alluding to Tony get benched when they mention starting Hill.

[Parker2112]

Ugh yeah, but we're not winning a championship with Tony Parker coming off the bench and not closing games

His defense is just something he needs to work on. He's not going to be blocking shots like Hill but he can get some more steals

Agreed...but I'm not even concerned about steals. I would like to see him keep his man from getting penetration and contest shots a lot better.

[Ice009]

Ugh yeah, but we're not winning a championship with Tony Parker coming off the bench and not closing games

His defense is just something he needs to work on. He's not going to be blocking shots like Hill but he can get some more steals

lol are you retarded or something. Where the fuck did I say have TP on the bench the whole season?

He needs to watch Hill play defense for a few games and then when he's feeling fresher he can start again. If he's too gassed to start why play him out there and watch the other PG work him over all game?

I think it would be good for him.

[bigdog]

Pop would never start him, but I think he would be a great compliment to Timmy, I would love to find out what they could do together.

Oh I'd love it too. A long guy like Ratliff or even Ian would be great alongside Timmy, even if Ian isn't good. Just the size and shotblocking ability would be nice to see instead of Bonners lameass out there

[Ice009]

Oh I'd love it too. A long guy like Ratliff or even Ian would be great alongside Timmy, even if Ian isn't good. Just the size and shotblocking ability would be nice to see instead of Bonners lameass out there

It only has to be for a few minutes. Then you can bring McDyess or Blair out there.

Bonner I don't want out there at all unfortunately.

[duncan228]

Updated.

Roy lifts Blazers over Spurs (http://www.nba.com/spurs/gameday/091106.html)

PORTLAND -- The Portland Trail Blazers are still looking for the big knockout punch to go with their jabs, and they're still looking for a way to do it without having to put all their weight on Brandon Roy.

But they are no longer looking for a way to stop their embarrassing two-game home-court losing streak after shoving the San Antonio Spurs out of the way 96-84 at the Rose Garden.

The game had all the possibilities of a Portland blowout. The Blazers exploded for 29 first-quarter points, and the experiment of starting Andre Miller at point guard worked to coach Nate McMillan's satisfaction.

Then the Spurs lost Tony Parker to a sprained ankle in the second quarter and a packed Rose Garden house was in full throat for the kill.

The Blazers appeared ready to cooperate: They had a 15-point lead after one period and led by 17 twice in the middle of the third quarter.

But the Spurs banged and thumped their way back into the game in tiny increments. An 8-point run in the middle of the last quarter put them within three points at 75-72, and if Richard Jefferson makes a free throw with 2:57 left they're within two.

That was where it ended, though. McMillan called for Roy to handle the ball into the Blazers' offense and the team settled back into the right rhythm.

"It was a good win for us," McMillan said. "We've been trying to find our rhythm. I felt like we haven't played well even though we had two wins, and tonight I felt like we had good rhythm.

"The offensive execution, the movement was better. We got the tempo we wanted."

That was another way of declaring an experiment in his starting lineup a success. McMillan started Andre Miller for Martell Webster, and was quick to give himself an A for the idea.

"I thought we got more from him," he said. "He got everybody involved, a lot of communication, and just looked in sync even though that (unit) hasn't played a lot together.

"I'm going to take a look at that lineup again. In the next week or two, maybe, we'll stay with those guards."

McMillan also gave Miller credit for calling the offensive sets that drew the best game of the year out of Greg Oden. The big guy hit 6 of 9 field goals for 14 points and had 4 blocks to go with 8 rebounds.

Roy, who scored a game-high 24 points and settled the team in the final five minutes, was open to the idea, too.

"It was a change of pace," he said. "Maybe it was something that we needed."

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich was discouraged with his team's slow start.

"We turned it over and couldn't score," he said of the 15-point hold his team dug for itself, "and played poor defense at the same time. We got beat on the boards like we have been."

It looked a little like the Spurs' Thursday night game at Utah. The Spurs played more or less evenly after the first period and nearly got back in the game.

"From the second quarter on," Popovich said, "we competed, we were physical, a lot of guys did a good job for us defensively. We didn't make shots very well, but I'm not that concerned about that. "I'm happy with what I saw defensively. It was a step in the right direction." In the matter of the Spurs' second-half comeback, McMillan said that it was a matter of the Blazers losing focus. "We were attacking," he said, "then we stopped attacking and started isolating and going one on one."

[Blackjack]

Well, Pop did pretty much stick with a defensive rotation for the remainder of the game, so, in that, I'm thankful. Like I said before, the defensive pendulum finally looks like it swung in the right direction.

Parker going out actually helped them in the short term, as in this game, but with the way Tim's looking and how far Manu is from being Manu, let's hope Parker's injury doesn't keep him out more than a game or two; these guys need court time together and individually.

I'm not real happy with the result but at least there were some positive signs..

[NASpurs]

Oh man, I would have loved a win but the defense made me jizz my pants of what could be. The game was ugly as hell and made me have a flashback to the old Spurs in a way.

[VivaPopovich]

lol are you retarded or something. Where the fuck did I say have TP on the bench the whole season?

He needs to watch Hill play defense for a few games and then when he's feeling fresher he can start again. If he's too gassed to start why play him out there and watch the other PG work him over all game?

I think it would be good for him.

lol i'm retarded? dude goes off to a bad start the first few games and your talking about benching Tony Parker? benching tony parker? our best offensive player. our superstar last year, where you were probably all over his nuts

your a lot better at hurling insults than coming up with good suggestions, good thing you're not coaching. start Hill over TP, step back and listen to yourself. moron

we need good defense all game long. bringing tP off the bench will solve nothing. yeah, bench him so he can look up to his idol george hill lead by example which will inspire him to play defense just like his idol? you are a stupid idiot. just listen to yourself

RJ doesn't play good defense either, should we bench him?

[EricB]

Sit Parker monday and start Hill.

Dyess
Duncan
Jefferson
Bogans
Hill

should be the starting 5 monday.

[VivaPopovich]

Sit Parker monday and start Hill.

Dyess
Duncan
Jefferson
Bogans
Hill

should be the starting 5 monday.

if u guys really want an all defensive lineup that would be

hill
manu
bogans
duncan
ratliff

or

blair
duncan

[Chomag]

Sit Parker monday and start Hill.

Dyess
Duncan
Jefferson
Bogans
Hill

should be the starting 5 monday.

I must say I agree with you. :tu

[Ice009]

lol i'm retarded? dude goes off to a bad start the first few games and your talking about benching Tony Parker? benching tony parker? our best offensive player. our superstar last year, where you were probably all over his nuts

your a lot better at hurling insults than coming up with good suggestions, good thing you're not coaching. start Hill over TP, step back and listen to yourself. moron

Fuck me. I am suggesting it because he is injured. bring him back slowly. if he didn't get injured I wouldn't have said it.

If he is tired and injured it might be better to not start him for a few games. How can you say that is a retarded idea? Don't you recall Pop bringing Tim in off the bench once before when he came back from injury??????

I think the combination of Parker looking tired and being injured might help him to play off the bench for a couple of games and at the same time Pop can set a defensive tone with more defensive players starting. Right now we're trying to get some sort of tone set defensively, not offensively. I don't think it's a totally stupid idea. If you do tough.

[EricB]

if u guys really want an all defensive lineup that would be

hill
manu
bogans
duncan
ratliff

or

blair
duncan

WTF

Why the hell would sit down Richard Jefferson!!??

[VivaPopovich]

Fuck me. I am suggesting it because he is injured. bring him back slowly. if he didn't get injured I wouldn't have said it.

If he is tired and injured it might be better to not start him for a few games. How can you say that is a retarded idea? Don't you recall Pop bringing Tim in off the bench once before when he came back from injury??????

I think the combination of Parker looking tired and being injured might help him to play off the bench for a couple of games and at the same time Pop can set a defensive tone with more defensive players starting. Right now we're trying to get some sort of tone set defensively, not offensively. I don't think it's a totally stupid idea. If you do tough.

In that context, no, it is not a stupid idea at all.

Tony Parker shouldn't have played over the summer. Charles said it best. It's ok to play summer basketball in europe when your on a crappy team like Sacramento where it doesn't really matter anyways.

But Pau and tony playing every summer when their NBA teams advance deep in the playoffs every season, now that's retarded. we can agree on that.

i thought your suggestion would mean that TP would be benched, injury-aside, just cause of his lack of defense.

And in general, he needs to adjust his game where he's not diving into the paint and falling onto the floor 3 times a game. That's probably the reason why he feels drained when he gets back on D

[VivaPopovich]

WTF

Why the hell would sit down Richard Jefferson!!??

We shouldnt

I wouldnt

thats IF you really wanted to go all out on defense, which would be a terrible idea

that's why I feel (injury aside) benching Tony Parker for Hill in the name of defense would be a terrible idea. Far worse than benching RJ

[Parker2112]

We shouldnt

I wouldnt

thats IF you really wanted to go all out on defense, which would be a terrible idea

We've won championships playing with teams that were completely Defensive minded. The league hated us. Dont forget


that's why I feel (injury aside) benching Tony Parker for Hill in the name of defense would be a terrible idea. Far worse than benching RJ

You were the only one saying this:lol

[alchemist]

Best development of the night: Pop lit a fire under Jefferson's ass

[Tp9gospursgo]

I know how we can start winning more..Bench Bonner!! for the rest of the season. someone please trip him or something so pop will sit him!!

[NewJerSpur]

When Bonner starts knocking down shots from long distance again things will begin to balance out....he doesn't need to be starting though.

[Parker2112]

I know how we can start winning more..Bench Bonner!! for the rest of the season. someone please trip him or something so pop will sit him!!

Catch him at his favorite sandwich show and break his knees with a hoagie:lol

[Parker2112]

When Bonner starts knocking down shots from long distance again things will begin to balance out....he doesn't need to be starting though.

his shot is unreliable. Like last year in the playoffs. Im tired of watching him suck on both ends.

[Tp9gospursgo]

Catch him at his favorite sandwich show and break his knees with a hoagie:lol

lol im sure he eats a hoagie before and during the games and thats why he sucks. Who even likes hoagies anyway? Id rather have a burger any day lol
NO BONNER=Championship

[NewJerSpur]

his shot is unreliable. Like last year in the playoffs. Im tired of watching him suck on both ends.

Just inconsistent, but so is everyone else's right now. He's still one of our better perimeter defenders at the moment. Have to take a chance that the jumper will find itself at some point; the life of a shooter.

[Tp9gospursgo]

I think hill will do a good job. At least defend more and get more minutes and rest for tony. I'm expecting a good win on Monday at home.

[Quiet Strength]

The spurs played very good defense in that 4th. They made several mistakes but I saw signs that they are still capable of being great on defense. Mcdyess is really hurting the team on defense and I think pop should give his minutes to ratliff to see how he does instead. Obvious players like bonner and finley hurt the spurs all night and same goes for timmy who played soft and let oden own him. In my opinion manu hurt the spurs the most tonight.. his turnovers and shot selection were terrible. He made stupid gambles on defense and he had a bonehead foul late in the 4th. The only good thing about this loss was the spurs defense in the 4th.

[Sean Cagney]

Just inconsistent, but so is everyone else's right now. He's still one of our better perimeter defenders at the moment. Have to take a chance that the jumper will find itself at some point; the life of a shooter.

LOL if he is one of our better perimeter defenders right now we are in big trouble man, stop sticking up for him he is just horrible on both ends right now.....

[ThaiFanofSpurs]

One problem I have seen from the last few games is that TP looked very tired and weak. He runs and penetrates with his legs looking like there's no lift in them. Is he really too tired because of all the games he played in the Summer? I am worried because he already looks very tired at the beginning of the season and we need him healthy to win the title.

I have nothing against TP (in fact, I like his offensive plays a lot) but I think he might need to sit out a few games. Not sure if that will help him gain some more energy and strength.

[duncan228]

I have nothing against TP (in fact, I like his offensive plays a lot) but I think he might need to sit out a few games.

He'll be out a week with the ankle sprain.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138806

[Ice009]

When Bonner starts knocking down shots from long distance again things will begin to balance out....he doesn't need to be starting though.

Bonner doesn't have a prime time shot. His shooting mechanics are no good and when he is pressured his shot can come out ugly. He doesn't have a shot like Stephen Jackson that is picture perfect.

Bonner is only a good shooter when he is left wide open. If teams actually get up on him and don't give him looks then he will be an even worse player out there.

[ThaiFanofSpurs]

Bonner doesn't have a prime time shot. His shooting mechanics are no good and when he is pressured his shot can come out ugly. He doesn't have a shot like Stephen Jackson that is picture perfect.

Bonner is only a good shooter when he is left wide open. If teams actually get up on him and don't give him looks then he will be an even worse player out there.

Agree!

[spurspokesman]

Agree!

I second that

[ceperez]

I second that

I third that!

[spursnatic]

Man the last few games have been horrible to watch?....I think we need to go and try to get Bowen back on board...Drop Hairston or Haislip to make room for him?....Why is Pop not playing any of our Big men besides Bonner?...The last few games we have had we lost in opponents in the paint scoring...Throw Theo in there shit he can get you boards ad blocks!!!...We need to do something and quick...I know it is still early in the season, but these are games we should have won...And we actually need to win them....The second half of the season is where are hard games/road games are...So you need to get all of the wins that you can now....

[rascal]

[QUOTE=Parker2112;3813259]We've won championships playing with teams that were completely Defensive minded. The league hated us. Dont forget



/QUOTE]

That primarily defensive minded team concept work work anymore. The Lakers now are stronger than any teams the spurs faced in all their championship seasons. the spurs need to bring it on both ends of the court.

[rascal]

Man the last few games have been horrible to watch?....I think we need to go and try to get Bowen back on board...Drop Hairston or Haislip to make room for him?....Why is Pop not playing any of our Big men besides Bonner?...The last few games we have had we lost in opponents in the paint scoring...Throw Theo in there shit he can get you boards ad blocks!!!...We need to do something and quick...I know it is still early in the season, but these are games we should have won...And we actually need to win them....The second half of the season is where are hard games/road games are...So you need to get all of the wins that you can now....

Forget about Bowen. Bowen is finished and won't be any type of difference maker.

[Ice009]

Forget about Bowen. Bowen is finished and won't be any type of difference maker.

You got any suggestions Rascal?

btw I am not ragging on you about saying Bowen is done. I think he'd be better than Finley, but yeah I might also agree that he alone won't make a big enough impact.

[spursnatic]

You say Bowen is done?...Not any chance...He is one who will bring it on the defensive end on a nightly basis...Plus he hits his open 3's, which our other guys are missing...I think it is a win-win situation regardless, plus he already knows the offensive sets...And he's the best defender this organization has ever had...And guarantee you it hasn't dropped off a bit?....

[Ice009]

I'm just going to add that Bruce is definitely still got something left. He has only lost maybe half a step at most and I thought he was great in the stretch run and playoffs last season. He played high level D when he was put onto Barea and Jason Terry.

It is not Bruce's fault that the guys bought it to provide extra offense choked and in turn didn't provide offense or defense. They provided nothing and Bruce was cast away like it was his fault since he's not an offensive player.

You couldn't expect Bruce to pick up the offensive slack for players bought in to do that, but instead they vanished in the playoffs while Bruce still bought solid defense.

I was very disappointed that the Spurs never bought him back this season. Right now I am a bit pissed off he was treated that way for some shitty offensive players that aren't bringing it on either end of the floor so far this season.

Pathetic move from the Spurs FO.

I didn't see a player that declined much. I saw a player that bought it on the defensive end and that was cast aside because they thought he was a liability on the offensive end of the floor, yet they somehow forgot what he bought on the defensive end.

[duncan228]

Bit from Dime.

Yeah, the Spurs are known to start the season slow and we know not to even get concerned about them until like February, but still, how often do you see Tim Duncan and crew lose three road games in a row? Just like they did on Thursday in Utah, the Spurs fell behind early against Portland — by as much as 17 at one point — and spent all their energy just trying to get within striking distance. It also didn’t help that Tony Parker hurt his ankle in the first half and never returned. The Spurs cut the lead to three eventually, but Brandon Roy (24 pts) took over down the stretch and wouldn’t let the Blazers blow it … Sometimes it doesn’t take a genius to coach San Antonio. Knowing Greg Oden would be guarding Duncan, and knowing G.O. has issues with foul trouble, Gregg Popovich just had his guys feed Duncan right from the start and let him go to work on the kid. Oden picked up two quick fouls and had to sit — but then he came back and stayed on the court long enough to make a difference with 14 points, eight boards and four blocks … Oden also happened to be on the court when Richard Jefferson went back to Tucson and dunked on him reminiscent of what Kobe did to Dwight Howard a few years back...

http://dimemag.com/2009/11/24-hundred-thousand-trillion/

[Chomag]

You say Bowen is done?...Not any chance...He is one who will bring it on the defensive end on a nightly basis...Plus he hits his open 3's, which our other guys are missing...I think it is a win-win situation regardless, plus he already knows the offensive sets...And he's the best defender this organization has ever had...And guarantee you it hasn't dropped off a bit?....

Werther he had anything left before the trade or not (I felt he did) I honestly doubt he is even keeping in game shape. In his mind set he is done with this chapter in his life and has moved on. We just have to find a way to do the same.

[Johnny RIngo]

When Bonner starts knocking down shots from long distance again things will begin to balance out....he doesn't need to be starting though.

God help the Spurs if we have to rely on Bonner making shots to win games.

[SCdac]

Bonner doesn't have a prime time shot. His shooting mechanics are no good and when he is pressured his shot can come out ugly. He doesn't have a shot like Stephen Jackson that is picture perfect.

Bonner is only a good shooter when he is left wide open. If teams actually get up on him and don't give him looks then he will be an even worse player out there.

I like to call Bonner's shot a

"High Percentage Heave"

his shooting form, as you mentioned, is far from ideal but like others (Marion, etc) he's able to perfect it and work with it. but when it's not falling, it's still just a heave.

Bonner is 9/34 three point field goal in his last 10 games in Black and White. This season he has 21 three point attempts... 16 rebounds... 0 blocks.

[Spursmania]

God help the Spurs if we have to rely on Bonner making shots to win games.


Really, I just want Bonner as a role player and nothing else. If we have to depend on him, we're screwed.

[Ice009]

I like to call Bonner's shot a

"High Percentage Heave"

his shooting form, as you mentioned, is far from ideal but like others (Marion, etc) he's able to perfect it and work with it. but when it's not falling, it's still just a heave.

Bonner is 9/34 three point field goal in his last 10 games in Black and White. This season he has 21 three point attempts... 16 rebounds... 0 blocks.

The thing is I don't mind an unorthodox shooter, if you recall Reggie Miller didn't have a picture perfect shot, but he could take and make his shot under pressure.

Bonner cannot do that. All you have to do is get up on him and he's useless. lol it is the easiest strategy in the world for other teams to execute. First you leave Bonner open and if he makes some shots great because that gives him confidence and then you can use that later against him. All you have to do later is get up on him and give him a little daylight and his shot usually clanks cause his shooting style is just not good when it comes to shots that are pressured a little bit. The opposing team also knows that Pop will keep using him so it's like you're getting an unfair advantage when Bonner is out there. Everyone knows this. The only person that hasn't figured it out yet is Pop.

Teams know that even if Bonner is making a few shots it's still good for them if the Spurs have him out there because they will feel like they can score twice as much against him on the other end of the court. The also know they can take him out whenever they want by putting a defender right up on him. Pop needs to wake up. Matt Bonner might open up the court a little bit for Tim Duncan, but he is also opening up the court twice as much for the other team offensively and putting more pressure on Tim to work harder on both offense and defense.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol we dont need bonner to hit shots

actually we dont need him on our fkn roster

[VivaPopovich]

The thing is I don't mind an unorthodox shooter, if you recall Reggie Miller didn't have a picture perfect shot, but he could take and make his shot under pressure.

Bonner cannot do that. All you have to do is get up on him and he's useless. lol it is the easiest strategy in the world for other teams to execute. First you leave Bonner open and if he makes some shots great because that gives him confidence and then you can use that later against him. All you have to do later is get up on him and give him a little daylight and his shot usually clanks cause his shooting style is just not good when it comes to shots that are pressured a little bit. The opposing team also knows that Pop will keep using him so it's like you're getting an unfair advantage when Bonner is out there. Everyone knows this. The only person that hasn't figured it out yet is Pop.

Teams know that even if Bonner is making a few shots it's still good for them if the Spurs have him out there because they will feel like they can score twice as much against him on the other end of the court. The also know they can take him out whenever they want by putting a defender right up on him. Pop needs to wake up. Matt Bonner might open up the court a little bit for Tim Duncan, but he is also opening up the court twice as much for the other team offensively and putting more pressure on Tim to work harder on both offense and defense.

Yes, and we've already seen teams exploit Matt Bonner. David West and Lamarcus Aldridge went out of their way to post him.

The announcers are right, what we're seeing now is very un-Spurs like.

But let's have faith. Let Pop go through his brain fart/identity crises or whatever it is. He's been benching Bonner in the 4th quarter which is a good sign. Resorting to small-ball with RJ as our PF is a good sign too.

I hate that tacky small-ball crap that Steve Nash and the Suns pioneered, but if it gets Bonner off the court at least I can enjoy watching the games again.


lol we dont need bonner to hit shots

actually we dont need him on our fkn roster

Yes, there has been an over-emphasis on his value dependent on whether or not he hits his jump shots.

There is a strong argument out there that Bonner shouldn't be on the floor for as long as he is even if he is hitting his jump shots. What good is scoring if you can't stop teams from scoring on the other end.

All these posters that were ferociously defending him when we were winning games should be ashamed of themselves. Most of us were consistent with our dismay with Bonner even when we were winning games.

[Ice009]

Yes, and we've already seen teams exploit Matt Bonner. David West and Lamarcus Aldridge went out of their way to post him.

The announcers are right, what we're seeing now is very un-Spurs like.

But let's have faith. Let Pop go through his brain fart/identity crises or whatever it is. He's been benching Bonner in the 4th quarter which is a good sign. Resorting to small-ball with RJ as our PF is a good sign too.

I hate that tacky small-ball crap that Steve Nash and the Suns pioneered, but if it gets Bonner off the court at least I can enjoy watching the games again.



Yes, there has been an over-emphasis on his value dependent on whether or not he hits his jump shots.

There is a strong argument out there that Bonner shouldn't be on the floor for as long as he is even if he is hitting his jump shots. What good is scoring if you can't stop teams from scoring on the other end.

All these posters that were ferociously defending him when we were winning games should be ashamed of themselves. Most of us were consistent with our dismay with Bonner even when we were winning games.


Yep I agree. Even when we were winning I was still not pleased with Bonner starting or playing significant minutes. This helps the other team out more than Pop seems to know. His negatives far out weigh the few shots he makes a game.

Don't get me wrong, but I dolike Matt Bonner, but if we're going to win we can't have him out there playing that much court time.

[rascal]

You got any suggestions Rascal?

btw I am not ragging on you about saying Bowen is done. I think he'd be better than Finley, but yeah I might also agree that he alone won't make a big enough impact.

Trade manu for Camby. If you want more defense bringing back Bowen who the spurs feel has lost enough to not be worth a roster spot anymore is not the solution.

Getting stronger post defense by adding Camby would be more of an impact move. Most will cry they don't want to give up Manu but if you want an impact center you need to trade some value.

The spurs will still have enough offensive fire power without Manu. More shots to Jefferson who still can average 20 points a game and give Hill big minutes early in the season and watch him turn into a solid all around player. Camby would also be a big offensive upgrade over Bonner.

[SA210]

Trade manu for Camby. If you want more defense bringing back Bowen who the spurs feel has lost enough to not be worth a roster spot anymore is not the solution.

Getting stronger post defense by adding Camby would be more of an impact move. Most will cry they don't want to give up Manu but if you want an impact center you need to trade some value.

The spurs will still have enough offensive fire power without Manu. More shots to Jefferson who still can average 20 points a game and give Hill big minutes early in the season and watch him turn into a solid all around player. Camby would also be a big offensive upgrade over Bonner.

Manu is NOT just offensive firepower! He changes the game and gets others involved in a way that Jeff and others can't. He has a competitive drive that no one else on our team has, an energy that he brings to the team that we desperately need.

How can you not see this? Did you see how dead our team was acting the other night, but when Manu got rolling, everyone else was hustling.

He's a god damn leader man. Camby would be nice to have, but Jesus, sending Manu away would be ridiculous. We already have Dice and Ratliff that should be utilized a lot more, and Tim needs to quit being a lazy ass and start hustling and blocking shots like I know he can. Pop is the main problem right now. He needs to get his shit together and utilize his players a lot better, and YES, bring back Bruce!

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