RICHARD JEFFERSON opts OUT!!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol Every one of those 6'7" guys is bigger and stronger than James Anderson. You're a fucking idiot if you think Anderson could guard any of those guys on the low block.

You're also a retard for not comprehending that the game has changed since the Spurs last won a title. Lewis, Smith, and Diaw all run at the SF. You're wrong there. All drop to the 4 when their teams go "small", I'll give you that, but then we still don't have someone that can match up with them at that spot either.

Go beat off to your 6'5" small forward idea and call it a night.

They are 6-6 and the point is that your assertion that its all about length at the 3 is full of shit.

You were talking about length and now pulling the bait and switch with this weight bullshit.

Really who other than Diaw a few years back when he played the 3 for Phoenix has given us problems on the postup? All of our 3s have been lithe but its been the slashing 3s that get in the lane forcing our double teams to come quick and thus stressing the rotations that give us problems.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

:lol Every one of those 6'7" guys is bigger and stronger than James Anderson. You're a fucking idiot if you think Anderson could guard any of those guys on the low block.

You're also a retard for not comprehending that the game has changed since the Spurs last won a title. Lewis, Smith, and Diaw all run at the SF. You're wrong there. All drop to the 4 when their teams go "small", I'll give you that, but then we still don't have someone that can match up with them at that spot either.

Go beat off to your 6'5" small forward idea and call it a night.


I'm with you on this one AggieFan. We dont need any more of those 6'6" small forwards especially if they are Anderson or Hairston (nor Hill at 6'4"). RJ at 6'7" is the right size for the small forward postion.

[ace3g]

DeJuan45

WOW!!!!! I LOVE WAT I SEE!!! Hahaha


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just kidding I don't know what he is referring to

[hsxvvd]

Pop's new Findog II

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't see any benefit to signing Jefferson to a multi-year deal from the Spurs perspective. He's just a terrible fit here, period. We spent the past season moaning and groaning of how little he contributes to the court and now some rumors are saying the Spurs may look to extend him?

No thanks, I'd rather take my chances with Hairston for the time being and let him develop at an even greater pace with the extra minutes.

[Man In Black]

I've asked Larry Coon, the nation's pre-eminent capologist to ansk if RJ helps or hinders the Spurs with his contract. Since it's that time of the year, I know he won't get back to that question soon, or if at all, however, he did do a chat last evening and here is all that applies to the Spurs.

8:57
[Comment From Bubbles]
Smart move by Jefferson?

8:57
Larry Coon: I'm at a loss to explain Jefferson opting out. I don't think he's able to make up for it by signing a FA deal, even factoring in the uncertainty with the next CBA.

9:10
[Comment From Nas]
How happy are the Spurs?
9:11
Larry Coon: Nas -- I wouldn't go so far as to say it's Christmas in June for them, but they're definitely smiling.

9:23
[Comment From Lone Star]
Do the Spurs have any cap space now that RJ has opted out?

9:23
Larry Coon: Lone Star -- nope. Still capped-out.

12:06
[Comment From Joe]
I thought it was a dollar for dollar tax once over the cap? What is this about not being capable of going over?

12:07
Larry Coon: The cap is about $12 million less than the tax threshold. It's dollar-for-dollar when you're above the luxury tax threshold. Teams can't be over the cap without using an exception.

12:11
[Comment From nyk9327]
I think it's likely that David Lee will be a Spur now that Jefferson is out...

12:12
Larry Coon: Spurs didn't gain any cap room, even with RJ gone.

[PhxDog]

Having read the first ten pages, I am impressed by your collective ignorance.



1. The MLE and LLE are exceptions that every team receives at the beginning of free agency (except those who used the LLE the previous year--teams only get the LLE once every two years). The catch is that the exceptions count as holds against a team's salary cap.

In order to sign players, the team must use either cap space or an exception; in order to use your cap space, you first need to renounce your exceptions.

So, unless the Spurs get under the cap by, say, $8m (or however much is needed to sign a significant improvement over Splitter) their cap space isn't worth anything.


2. I'm sure Peter Holt is ecstatic like the reporters say--for whatever reason, he promised to pay luxury tax for two years to field non-championship teams, and suddenly his obligation is cut in half.

That doesn't mean that you should be ecstatic as a fan, obviously.


3. $32 million sounds awfully low for a Jefferson deal. The problem is, there's a not-insignificant risk he'll get nothing at all for the second year of his deal, and then only 60% of his promised salary in years three and four. In the worst case, that $32 million contract would be worth only $18 million or so in actual dollars.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This thread is really separating the wheat from the chaff.

This!

Good news for Holt I guess. :rolleyes

[jiggy_55]

Please someone explain something to me, as I'm not aware of all the exact details.

RJ opts out = Spurs are screwed and we cannot sign a replacement since the drop off in salaries is not significant enough to give us more than the MLE. Here's the question: BUT, the Spurs can re-sign him? How is that possible? I just don't get it..
Everyone's been saying forever if he opts out it sucks cuz we won't have any added money to replace him with, but just how is it then possible to resign him or sign and trade him??? Please someone explain this to me.

As far I had understood, we're still left with the MLE whether he had opted out or not.

[Mr Bones]

I generally agree that defensive length is extremely helpful, but if some posters here think it's impossible to play a 6'6" guy at SF and have any success, how do they justify a 6' 6-1/2" guy playing center or PF for the Spurs without the same criticism? And if that's the case, why not trade Blair now while his stock is high, for a 6'10" SF? What about Blair/Hairston for Ilyasova?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Please someone explain something to me, as I'm not aware of all the exact details.

RJ opts out = Spurs are screwed and we cannot sign a replacement since the drop off in salaries is not significant enough to give us more than the MLE. Here's the question: BUT, the Spurs can re-sign him? How is that possible? I just don't get it..
Everyone's been saying forever if he opts out it sucks cuz we won't have any added money to replace him with, but just how is it then possible to resign him or sign and trade him??? Please someone explain this to me.

As far I had understood, we're still left with the MLE whether he had opted out or not.

The Spurs can resign him or sign and trade him, because they have his Bird rights ( Bird rights IMO have done more damage than good since being introduced ). Either way, the Spurs will only have the MLE, LLE and min contracts to offer to FAs, of which the MLE is likely going to Splitter. So if RJ just leaves it leaves the Spurs with a huge hole at the 3 and only LLE type of money to offer, basically hoping to find a diamond in the rough, ala Bruce.

On the other hand, a potential sign and trade would possibly give the Spurs a very good asset in the form of a trade exception, whcih would be the best case scenario.To get it, the Spurs would have to S&T RJ to a team under the cap, say the Nets, for nothing/ protected 2nd round pick or something similar. This move would give the Spurs a trade exception the size of RJ's first year salary of his new contract, that the Spurs can use within a year on one player ( but cannot combine it with another player and make an offer ).Question is, why would the team under the cap agree to help the Spurs, doing a sign and trade ( as they can sign him outright ), unless the Spurs give them an incentive - be it a 1st round pick, or a player.

[HankChinaski]

Well early this evening when I heard about Jefferson opting out. I felt like there was a giant F'YOU to the spurs from one dick jeff. But after the initial reaction I sat and thought about it.

Honestly it isn't the worse thing to happen.

Sure puts a lot of pressure on the current squad especially the big 3 when it comes to minutes throughout the regular season. Leaves a giant hole in our rotation, which wasn't that fabulous to begin with in regards to the recent season. So we are back to same thought we had before in finding a serviceable SF just possibly without one Richard Jefferson. Which feels kind of nice.

1. I'm having a hard time envisioning the Front Office signing RJ to long term deal, unless it were a 3 to 4 year contract had some partially guranteed status on its 3rd and/or 4th year somewhere around the 7 million ballpark. I doubt he accepts something like that and he could easily weasel more from a lousy gm elsewhere if they (he and his agent) wait it out. But with a contract that looks to be cut down to half the cost or slightly around it, it becomes a nice pick up renegotiating his contract and considering his production this last season 6-8 mill a year doesn't taste as bad if he can produce consistency with those kind of numbers. He finds his shot again out on the 3pt line and fans would be pleased yet bitch about him endless in a spurs jersey. Hopeful thinking in him finding his touch again but he can't possibly shot any worse than he did behind the arc.

2. Sign and Trade for serviceable replacement/trade exception/pick in some sort of fashion from those options combined or seperately. Allows the slap in the face of him using his player option to not sting as much and leaves us with something as oppose to nothing.

3. Let the man walk and Holt and crew don't have to be concerned about dipping into lux tax as heavily as before.

Regardless Spurs are going to have to look hard and make the best evaluated conclusion on whom they can pick up with what little money they can offer and fill out the roster with our 2 obvious holes in a Wing and Big. I don't see that much changing for them whether he comes back on a new contract or leaves.

All I know is I'm looking at this years Free Agency and feeling a bit more excited at what the hell this team will look like come training camp.

[jiggy_55]

The Spurs can resign him or sign and trade him, because they have his Bird rights ( Bird rights IMO have done more damage than good since being introduced ). Either way, the Spurs will only have the MLE, LLE and min contracts to offer to FAs, of which the MLE is likely going to Splitter. So if RJ just leaves it leaves the Spurs with a huge hole at the 3 and only LLE type of money to offer, basically hoping to find a diamond in the rough, ala Bruce.

I completely understand this now, thanks. It's the Bird rights thing that had me confused.

So basically, we can sign RJ now that he is opted out and this will not take up any of our MLE or etc? Otherwise, as you have said, the Spurs only have the "MLE, LLE and min contracts to offer to FAs".


On the other hand, a potential sign and trade would possibly give the Spurs a very good asset in the form of a trade exception, whcih would be the best case scenario.To get it, the Spurs would have to S&T RJ to a team under the cap, say the Nets, for nothing/ protected 2nd round pick or something similar. This move would give the Spurs a trade exception the size of RJ's first year salary of his new contract, that the Spurs can use within a year on one player ( but cannot combine it with another player and make an offer ).Question is, why would the team under the cap agree to help the Spurs, doing a sign and trade ( as they can sign him outright ), unless the Spurs give them an incentive - be it a 1st round pick, or a player.

So we CANNOT sign and trade RJ directly for another significant player? The only possible deal is as mentioned the trade exceptions? Which could then be used obviously to sign a significant player

[mudyez]

maybe we can back finley for one year! :)

never have been a big jefferson fan and I couldn't care less about him leaving, if it was nt for that nice expiring we may have been able to turn into something nice come february.

to be honest: If peter is happy to safe some money, I'm happy for him too and if RJ gets a well rounded contract, we should be ok too. and if not it means, that guys like Hairston get a chance we all where rooting for all the way!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I completely understand this now, thanks. It's the Bird rights thing that had me confused.

So basically, we can sign RJ now that he is opted out and this will not take up any of our MLE or etc? Otherwise, as you have said, the Spurs only have the "MLE, LLE and min contracts to offer to FAs".



So we CANNOT sign and trade RJ directly for another significant player? The only possible deal is as mentioned the trade exceptions? Which could then be used obviously to sign a significant player?

Yes we can re-sign him without using the MLE.This is one of the options - signing him to a longer contract that'd pay him less per year but giving him more financial security in the future and allowing the Spurs to save lux tax money.I think this is unlikely though.

As for S&T, we can trade him for another player as well, not just for a TE, but IMO netting a nice TE, say about 8-10 mil, would be a wonderful asset for the Spurs, provided that Holt is still in spend mode, as we could just absorb the contract of some player, making within that range, thus being able to provide instant cap relief to other teams.

[jermaine]

Yes we can re-sign him without using the MLE.This is one of the options - signing him to a longer contract that'd pay him less per year but giving him more financial security in the future and allowing the Spurs to save lux tax money.I think this is unlikely though.

As for S&T, we can trade him for another player as well, not just for a TE, but IMO netting a nice TE, say about 8-10 mil, would be a wonderful asset for the Spurs, provided that Holt is still in spend mode, as we could just absorb the contract of some player, making within that range, thus being able to provide instant cap relief to other teams.

All this shit is retarded as me tryin to figure this shit out!

[jiggy_55]

Yes we can re-sign him without using the MLE.This is one of the options - signing him to a longer contract that'd pay him less per year but giving him more financial security in the future and allowing the Spurs to save lux tax money.I think this is unlikely though.

As for S&T, we can trade him for another player as well, not just for a TE, but IMO netting a nice TE, say about 8-10 mil, would be a wonderful asset for the Spurs, provided that Holt is still in spend mode, as we could just absorb the contract of some player, making within that range, thus being able to provide instant cap relief to other teams.

I'm gonna have to disagree with that, considering more than a few sources have mentioned Pop working out with RJ this summer in SA. It seems clear to me that after the initial shock of him opting out, he simply CANNOT be that stupid to opt out of 15 million.

If there was no news about Pop working out with him than I would be slightly worried he'd leave us dry, but then again he couldn't have received a guarantee anyway. If Pop truly is working out with him it seems to indicate they are trying to fix some things in his game to make him a Spurs type player. It seems they've discussed this with his agent and management and a deal will be done. No reason to work him out if you don't want him back!

Can't see a sign-and-trade but it is slightly possible. RJ leaving us to sign with another team seems to be completely out of the question, as he could not have received a guarantee elsewhere since he's unable to make contact with anyone but the Spurs. Again, he wouldn't walk from 15 million guaranteed just like that.

[Muser]

Well that's us fucked.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm gonna have to disagree with that, considering more than a few sources have mentioned Pop working out with RJ this summer in SA. It seems clear to me that after the initial shock of him opting out, he simply CANNOT be that stupid to opt out of 15 million.

If there was no news about Pop working out with him than I would be slightly worried he'd leave us dry, but then again he couldn't have received a guarantee anyway. If Pop truly is working out with him it seems to indicate they are trying to fix some things in his game to make him a Spurs type player. It seems they've discussed this with his agent and management and a deal will be done. No reason to work him out if you don't want him back!

Can't see a sign-and-trade but it is slightly possible. RJ leaving us to sign with another team seems to be completely out of the question, as he could not have received a guarantee elsewhere since he's unable to make contact with anyone but the Spurs. Again, he wouldn't walk from 15 million guaranteed just like that.

Well who knows, we'll see soon I guess.

Common sense says he doesn't opt out of 15 mil unless he has a serious offer on the table, be it from the Spurs or some other team. Now, obviously he's not officially allowed to speak with other teams but it'd be naive to think his agent hasn't 'hypothetically' discussed alternatives with other teams. We have a very recent example with Byron Davis, who opted out of 17 Mil ( I think ) to sign with the Clippers. No one can prove tampering, of course, but it's naive to think he didn't know the offer from the Clippers would be on the table when he opted out.

[Mr Bones]

To this point in his career, Jefferson has made about 68 million dollars. If he signs a 4 year deal somewhere for 7 or 8 million a year, he maybe finishes his career having made around 100 million dollars. So if he absolutely hates playing for Pop or in San Antonio for any reason, opting out and moving on does make sense. What can he do in his life with 108 million dollars that he can't with 100 million?

[mudyez]

To this point in his career, Jefferson has made about 68 million dollars. If he signs a 4 year deal somewhere for 7 or 8 million a year, he maybe finishes his career having made around 100 million dollars. So if he absolutely hates playing for Pop or in San Antonio for any reason, opting out and moving on does make sense. What can he do in his life with 108 million dollars that he can't with 100 million?

clean the oil leak area for about 2 minutes!

[jiggy_55]

Well who knows, we'll see soon I guess.

Common sense says he doesn't opt out of 15 mil unless he has a serious offer on the table, be it from the Spurs or some other team. Now, obviously he's not officially allowed to speak with other teams but it'd be naive to think his agent hasn't 'hypothetically' discussed alternatives with other teams. We have a very recent example with Byron Davis, who opted out of 17 Mil ( I think ) to sign with the Clippers. No one can prove tampering, of course, but it's naive to think he didn't know the offer from the Clippers would be on the table when he opted out.

Agreed. Of course its highly possible many players talk with teams even before the July 1 date, but it's done in an indirect way probably and nobody ever speaks of it due to the consequences on both sides. I just don't see who wants him after his last year and is willing to pay a big enough amount to convince him to opt out. Can't see it myself.

Like I said, if the Spurs and Pop actually are working out with RJ in SA, the only reason would be is they want him and they convinced him they want him to stay and play a big role and they'd give him a nice 3/4 year contract.

[Mel_13]

I think I posted that 4 years, 32 million somewhere earlier in this thread before.

Mel_13, you Spursreport member, you.

It's not just me. Local media has picked it up.



Maybe the Spurs will announce a new deal for Jefferson in another week that will pay him about $32 million over four seasons.

[Chieflion]

It's not just me. Local media has picked it up.

LOL local media. Chieflion just making the predictions he is going to make like Delfino not being waived. Bunch of copycats catching on to 4 years, 32 million.

[Creation88]

i can't believe no one is considering that extending Jefferson pretty much guarantees no $ for resigning Parker in the off-season. and at the very least binds us to an aged roster for the next 4 years. you guys are morons.

[DPG21920]

:vomit: at 3-4 more years of rj

[MaNu4Tres]

I think 4 years 32 million will be the best offer the Spurs can get Jefferson to agree to.

I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs had to increase their offer to 4/36 or even 5yr/40-45 with the last year being only partially guaranteed or a team option.

[Mel_13]

i can't believe no one is considering that extending Jefferson pretty much guarantees no $ for resigning Parker in the off-season. and at the very least binds us to an aged roster for the next 4 years. you guys are morons.

Man, take a Valium. It's just basketball.

[Gagnrath]

I think 4 years 32 million will be the best offer the Spurs can get Jefferson to agree to.

I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs had to increase their offer to 4/36 or even 5yr/40-45 with the last year being only partially guaranteed or a team option.

1. Bird rights with parker as well, So they can offer whatever they are willing to pay into the luxury tax.

2. They can seriously back load the contract with Duncans 21 mill coming off the books the next year.

3. It is somewhat reasonably assumed with the new CBA that the salary cap and luxury taxes overall won't be dropping much to say 50 mill even or so but the max contract amounts will be dropping to around 14 mill without likely having the over all % of max cap built as high the years after the first are also most likely to be more restricted.

[ohmwrecker]

I don't know if this has been posted already, but this guy "gets it".

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/413917-richard-jeffersons-surprise-decision-should-spook-san-antonio-spurs

[iManu]

Wait a second, can't we sign him to more than 15 mil this year, and trade him for someone else worth that much?

[ohmwrecker]

i can't believe no one is considering that extending Jefferson pretty much guarantees no $ for resigning Parker in the off-season. and at the very least binds us to an aged roster for the next 4 years. you guys are morons.


1. Bird rights with parker as well, So they can offer whatever they are willing to pay into the luxury tax.

2. They can seriously back load the contract with Duncans 21 mill coming off the books the next year.

3. It is somewhat reasonably assumed with the new CBA that the salary cap and luxury taxes overall won't be dropping much to say 50 mill even or so but the max contract amounts will be dropping to around 14 mill without likely having the over all % of max cap built as high the years after the first are also most likely to be more restricted.


Man, take a Valium. It's just basketball.

[Kindergarten Cop]

no one considers signing RJ long term pretty much guarantees NO Tony Parker extension. who would you rather have?

How does RJ's situation have anything at all to do with Parker?

[urunobili]

Gimme some fucking Travis Outlaw please!!!

[Mel_13]

I don't know if this has been posted already, but this guy "gets it".

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/413917-richard-jeffersons-surprise-decision-should-spook-san-antonio-spurs

Not so much.

First he talks smack about salary cap IQ:


This ranks as good news only in the eyes of delusional folks who do not understand the salary cap and how it handicaps the Spurs this summer.

Then he exposes his own ignorance:


If he leaves, the Spurs will have about $7 million total to sign Anderson, Splitter and find another small forward. They would have the same amount had he opted in for the final year of his deal.

[montgod]

Richard Jefferson's response/mindset to opting out:

Coming off such a disappointing season, Jefferson likely won't be able to earn all of the money he left on the table back in a single season, but as he told FanHouse's Chris Tomasson in April, he hopes a temporary pay cut will result in long-term security. "I probably wouldn't make 15 [million dollars] some place, but you could somehow recoup some of that over a multi-year deal and get some guaranteed money for the next few years," he said. "So you figure it out. If you're able to get four years and 40 [million dollars by opting out] from someone, it's like, 'OK, I did lose out on 15 [million dollars]. But I'm going to get basically a $25 million extension.' Those are things that you think of at the end of the season.'' FanHouse.com

[Creation88]

How does RJ's situation have anything at all to do with Parker?

even with the Bird Rights, do you think the FO and Holt are gonna be willing to pay/go into the luxury tax for 4-6 seasons? you have to consider Hill, Blair, etc will need new extensions soon. IMO, extending Jefferson has huge implications on the team's future.

[DPG21920]

I don't know if this has been posted already, but this guy "gets it".

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/413917-richard-jeffersons-surprise-decision-should-spook-san-antonio-spurs

RJ opting out sends the spurs into Panic mode? Like I said, people are freaking out.You thinking this guy gets it shows you don't.

[Johnny RIngo]

Spurs seem to be in a shitty position with RJ. Opting out leaves them with a gaping hole at SF and re-signing him to a longer deal makes no sense considering how much of an awful fit he was for the team. The only value he had(to me anyway) was as an expiring contract.

[ohmwrecker]

Not so much.

First he talks smack about salary cap IQ:


Then he exposes his own ignorance:

How much is the MLE + LLE exactly? isn't it approx. $7M? I only meant he "gets it" compared to other "respected" sports journalist who called this "Christmas in July" for the Spurs.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

How much is the MLE + LLE exactly? isn't it approx. $7M? I only meant he "gets it" compared to other "respected" sports journalist who called this "Christmas in July" for the Spurs.

True, but the Spurs do not have to use part of the 7M from MLE and LLE to sign Anderson and can't offer anyone a salary starting at 7M as it's composed of 2 separate exceptions.

[ohmwrecker]

RJ opting out sends the spurs into Panic mode? Like I said, people are freaking out.You thinking this guy gets it shows you don't.

Huh? Not sure where you're going there, bubba.

[ohmwrecker]

True, but the Spurs do not have to use part of the 7M from MLE and LLE to sign Anderson.

Right. Details, details.

[Kindergarten Cop]

even with the Bird Rights, do you think the FO and Holt are gonna be willing to pay/go into the luxury tax for 4-6 seasons? you have to consider Hill, Blair, etc will need new extensions soon. IMO, extending Jefferson has huge implications on the team's future.

Even giving Parker a max deal wouldn't necessarily mean that the Spurs would go into the Luxury Tax, considering that Duncan will likely step away after two more seasons. IMHO, RJ's (projected) $8M/yr actually makes it more likely to sign Parker to a contract extension since many felt that the Spurs would use RJ's expiring contract to bring in other players at the trade deadline.

[montgod]

RJ opting out sends the spurs into Panic mode? Like I said, people are freaking out.You thinking this guy gets it shows you don't.

I agree.

I am not seeing how this is so difficult to comprehend.

Would you rather sign Richard Jefferson for one year at $30 million....

Or sign him for 4 years at say... 32 million?

There is a lot we don't know regarding conversations Spurs probably had with RJ, but like others have said, I doubt he opted out without talking with the Spurs first about future possibilities.

[montgod]

Even giving Parker a max deal wouldn't necessarily mean that the Spurs would go into the Luxury Tax, considering that Duncan will likely step away after two more seasons. IMHO, RJ's (projected) $8M/yr actually makes it more likely to sign Parker to a contract extension since many felt that the Spurs would use RJ's expiring contract to bring in other players at the trade deadline.

Good point... I was thinking this as well. Although, just from a player perspective, Tony didn't sound to enthused about coming back. I am sure money would change things but maybe he isn't confident in the Spurs being contenders once Timmy retires. Hopefully, Tiago will perform at a level that helps anyone's concern for the future.

[Creation88]

Even giving Parker a max deal wouldn't necessarily mean that the Spurs would go into the Luxury Tax, considering that Duncan will likely step away after two more seasons. IMHO, RJ's (projected) $8M/yr actually makes it more likely to sign Parker to a contract extension since many felt that the Spurs would use RJ's expiring contract to bring in other players at the trade deadline.

Tim leaving in 2 years is a different story but from every account it sounds like he wants to keep playing (hints in the media). you have to consider the potential contracts of Hill and Blair.

say all those 3 (Tim, Hill, Blair) are here in 2 yrs. would you want an old RJ still here or the potential to sign a FA that summer? i'll test the market with RJ gone.

[Creation88]

this roster in 2 years is NOT a great one. we have to start getting rid of the fat and Richard Jefferson proved he's full of it last season.

[montgod]

even with the Bird Rights, do you think the FO and Holt are gonna be willing to pay/go into the luxury tax for 4-6 seasons? you have to consider Hill, Blair, etc will need new extensions soon. IMO, extending Jefferson has huge implications on the team's future.

I see your point, but I think the FO understands the current players like Hill and Blair and what money will potentially be there when they get to that point. Who knows how long a RJ contract would be for and it's a possibility it might be partially guaranteed or be a nice trading chip for the future. Besides that, we have to wait and see what Hill and Blair become before worrying about a significant salary increase for them.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Tim leaving in 2 years is a different story but from every account it sounds like he wants to keep playing (hints in the media). you have to consider the potential contracts of Hill and Blair.

say all those 3 (Tim, Hill, Blair) are here in 2 yrs. would you want an old RJ still here or the potential to sign a FA that summer? i'll test the market with RJ gone.

I've actually heard nothing at all about Tim hinting to coming back after his contract is up. Would you mind sharing a link or where you saw this?

Anyways, if we are going to be as close to the Luxury Tax threshold as you propose we will be limited again by our exceptions to sign FAs - so testing the market with RJ gone might not be as lucrative as you think.

As for Hill and Blair, I'm sure the FO is in no hurry whatsoever to worry about extending them - at least not until 2012-2013. By that time, I'm sure our team will look FAR different than it does now - including seeing a new HC - so I'm not concerned with looking that far down the road just yet.

[ohmwrecker]

this roster in 2 years is NOT a great one. we have to start getting rid of the fat and Richard Jefferson proved he's full of it last season.

I'm just going to go ahead and assume that Popovich is a greater judge of talent than you. Now, based on that assumption, what do we know?
1. The Spurs are trying to win another championship in the Tim Duncan era.
2. There is no current player on the roster or who could reasonably be had at the LLE that is a better option than RJ.
3. Popovich is personally working with RJ this off season to improve his "corporate knowledge".
4. There have been other former Spurs who struggled in their first year and came back to contribute in big ways.
5. RJ, potentially, is one of these guys.

[Brazil]

Rough numbers.

For many years, the Spurs spent right up to the lux tax level and did all they could to avoid the tax. That first dollar over the tax is the most expensive because you forgo the luxury tax distribution check that goes to teams that stay below the tax. This check is for several million dollars.

So with RJ at 15M and Splitter for the MLE the Spurs were going to be way over the tax threshold again this season. A reasonable guess is that they would be 10M over the tax line.

So how much does that add to payroll compared to spending right up to, but not over, the tax line?

10M in additional salary
10M in tax
5M in tax distribution lost

If RJ accepts a back loaded deal that allows the Spurs to sign him and Splitter while staying under the tax, the Spurs have reduced their payroll expenses for 2010-11 by 25M. A large chunk of that money is then paid out to RJ in years 2, 3, and perhaps year 4 of his new contract.

Both sides win by sharing money saved by avoiding the tax and by collecting the tax distribution.

this is what I call a solid contribution. Thx Mel !

[lurker23]

Not much I can say that hasn't already been said. Pretty bad news for the Spurs on the face of it, but some of the potential outcomes can be quite favorable:

1. Best outcome for Spurs is probably a S&T with RJ. Even if they get nothing else but a trade exception, at some point this season they can have their pick of the crop of SFs on cash-strapped or cap-conscious teams.

2a. The second best option is resigning RJ for a lesser amount but more years. As poor a fit as RJ seemed at times last year, it's hard to top him talent-wise when you're talking about a 4th or 5th option. If he can somehow find a way to focus on his three-point shooting and defense, he could be a nice option at the 3 for a few more years, considering he's only 30. I think a good contract that could benefit both sides would be in the realm of 3 years, $25 million, or 4 years, $33 million.

2b. However, much more than the numbers I quoted above for his contract is probably too much; unless he really improves, $10 million per year is overpaying for RJ in the Spurs system. Admittedly more palatable than $15 million, but still.

3. The absolute worst case scenario is the one many of us feared when we read this headline. RJ signs elsewhere without a S&T, the Spurs are up the creek without a paddle (or, more accurately, without a SF and without any money to spend). While I agree that someone who's primary focus is defense or 3-point shooting might be a better fit in the system, odds are the Spurs will sign a vet with the LLE who will end up starting, but should probably be a backup on a championship caliber team.

[ohmwrecker]

Not much I can say that hasn't already been said.

You summed it up very well. Nice job.

[Mel_13]

How much is the MLE + LLE exactly? isn't it approx. $7M? I only meant he "gets it" compared to other "respected" sports journalist who called this "Christmas in July" for the Spurs.

Yeah, I understood what you meant. In general, he gets it.

I just don't like smack talkers at all, especially those who don't have the expertise to remotely justify the arrogance.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

How much is the MLE + LLE exactly? isn't it approx. $7M? I only meant he "gets it" compared to other "respected" sports journalist who called this "Christmas in July" for the Spurs.

I thought combined they were about $8M. The MLE is around $5.8M and the LLE $2M. Aside from that error, I don't get why he included Anderson in the mix, his rookie contract doesn't have any affect on the MLE/LLE.

[ohmwrecker]

I thought combined they were about $8M. The MLE is around $5.8M and the LLE $2M. Aside from that error, I don't get why he included Anderson in the mix, his rookie contract doesn't have any affect on the MLE/LLE.

Already been over it and this is not really the point of the link that was originally posted, but hey, let's nit-pick the only article that I've seen that even brings up the notion that this potentially might not be such a great deal for the Spurs.

[Agloco]

I generally agree that defensive length is extremely helpful, but if some posters here think it's impossible to play a 6'6" guy at SF and have any success, how do they justify a 6' 6-1/2" guy playing center or PF for the Spurs without the same criticism? And if that's the case, why not trade Blair now while his stock is high, for a 6'10" SF? What about Blair/Hairston for Ilyasova?

Because Blairs stature belies his production. He's perfectly capable of grabbing 10 boards on any given night which is not something you can readily deduce if you just look at his height. You need to take a closer look at his skillset, and herein lies the problem I have with the Hairston, Anderson, Gee, etc sugestions at SF. Our problem is with a height and/or weight challenged SF trying to guard some of the best out there. Their skill sets have yet to be proven at the highest level for the duration of a season. Blair is a known quantity (yes, even his defense has vastly improved over the course of one season), those others are far from it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Already been over it and this is not really the point of the link that was originally posted, but hey, let's nit-pick the only article that I've seen that even brings up the notion that this potentially might not be such a great deal for the Spurs.

Sure thang.

[E-RockWill]

Yeah, I understood what you meant. In general, he gets it.

I just don't like smack talkers at all, especially those who don't have the expertise to remotely justify the arrogance.

Ohhhhhhh snap!

Face-palm.....

[DynastySpurs210]

Well since RJ opted out who do we Chase?

[Agloco]

Well since RJ opted out who do we Chase?

Splitter. And according to various posters, we're stacked at SF anyway........you know, with Hairston, Anderson, Gee, and crew.

[PDXSpursFan]

If we don't resign RJ it means that in opening night we'll heard the Spurs announcer: "....6'5 Foward from Kentucky Keith Bogaaaannnsss!!!!!"

[Agloco]

Rough numbers.

For many years, the Spurs spent right up to the lux tax level and did all they could to avoid the tax. That first dollar over the tax is the most expensive because you forgo the luxury tax distribution check that goes to teams that stay below the tax. This check is for several million dollars.

So with RJ at 15M and Splitter for the MLE the Spurs were going to be way over the tax threshold again this season. A reasonable guess is that they would be 10M over the tax line.

So how much does that add to payroll compared to spending right up to, but not over, the tax line?

10M in additional salary
10M in tax
5M in tax distribution lost

If RJ accepts a back loaded deal that allows the Spurs to sign him and Splitter while staying under the tax, the Spurs have reduced their payroll expenses for 2010-11 by 25M. A large chunk of that money is then paid out to RJ in years 2, 3, and perhaps year 4 of his new contract.

Both sides win by sharing money saved by avoiding the tax and by collecting the tax distribution.

Can't believe I missed this. Another solid post from Mr. Mel.

Oh, those numbers don't include the tax distribution for future years right? Just this year?

[Mel_13]

Oh, those numbers don't include the tax distribution for future years right? Just this year?

Just this year. Future years will be under the terms of a new CBA, the luxury tax rules could change in major ways.

[rascal]

Not much I can say that hasn't already been said. Pretty bad news for the Spurs on the face of it, but some of the potential outcomes can be quite favorable:

1. Best outcome for Spurs is probably a S&T with RJ. Even if they get nothing else but a trade exception, at some point this season they can have their pick of the crop of SFs on cash-strapped or cap-conscious teams.

2a. The second best option is resigning RJ for a lesser amount but more years. As poor a fit as RJ seemed at times last year, it's hard to top him talent-wise when you're talking about a 4th or 5th option. If he can somehow find a way to focus on his three-point shooting and defense, he could be a nice option at the 3 for a few more years, considering he's only 30. I think a good contract that could benefit both sides would be in the realm of 3 years, $25 million, or 4 years, $33 million.

2b. However, much more than the numbers I quoted above for his contract is probably too much; unless he really improves, $10 million per year is overpaying for RJ in the Spurs system. Admittedly more palatable than $15 million, but still.

3. The absolute worst case scenario is the one many of us feared when we read this headline. RJ signs elsewhere without a S&T, the Spurs are up the creek without a paddle (or, more accurately, without a SF and without any money to spend). While I agree that someone who's primary focus is defense or 3-point shooting might be a better fit in the system, odds are the Spurs will sign a vet with the LLE who will end up starting, but should probably be a backup on a championship caliber team.



Option 3 would be the worst. The spurs trying to win with a backup quality starter at the 3.

[Creation88]

Knicks and Clippers willing to throw $ at a SF. hopefully it's Jefferson.

[Seventyniner]

It looks like both sides win and lose. RJ wins in that he'll get more guaranteed money, but loses because he forgoes a chance at a decent contract after this year (which probably won't happen due to the new CBA). The Spurs win big in that they don't have to pay the tax this year, but lose in future flexibility. I can understand RJ's point of view, now.

[Kori Ellis]

http://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone/status/17504369519

RJ to the Knicks?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone/status/17504369519

RJ to the Knicks?

They couldn't get Parker so they settle for option 2 :stirpot:.

[Seventyniner]

http://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone/status/17504369519

RJ to the Knicks?

As long as they'll take him in a sign-and-trade giving us a big trade exception, yes please.

[HarlemHeat37]

Knicks fans hate Jefferson, their reaction will be priceless if he signs there..

[timvp]

I don't get how RJ is a good fit for D'Antoni's system. D'Antoni likes players who can shoot, dribble and pass. RJ is below average in each category.

[Cane]

I don't get how RJ is a good fit for D'Antoni's system. D'Antoni likes players who can shoot, dribble and pass. RJ is below average in each category.

Yea unless they can get a premier passer I don't think RJ will work but he can run and finish around the rim. Might remind Mike of Shawn Marion. RJ's defense should fit right in as well :downspin:

[EricB]

:lol Rick Bucher.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol Rick Bucher.

He's usually the most informed ESPN guy about the Spurs, because he's spent a lot of time with the team. That said, I don't think RJ's going to NY.

[rayray2k8]

Damn, I hope it's a possible sign and trade..

[lurker23]

Just an idea I've been kicking around in my head...

With teams like the Knicks, Nets, etc. who have some additional cap space, does anyone think they might want to ship a player to the Spurs instead of just a trade exception?

For example:

Knicks have $34 million in cap space. They'll probably sign someone else before they sign RJ, but for the sake of this example, let's say RJ is their first signing.

They could:
-Sign RJ outright for $9 million, dropping their cap space to $25 million.
-Work with Spurs on RJ sign and trade; same cap number, but maybe they also get a 2nd round pick out of it or something. Spurs get $9 million trade exception.
-Work with Spurs on RJ sign and trade, but also send someone like Wilson Chandler or Danilo Gallinari to the Spurs. Instead of $9 million trade exception, Spurs get a player and a $6-7 million trade exception. Instead of $25 million in cap space, Knicks now have $27-28 million in cap space.


1. Is a trade like the one outlined in the 3rd bullet kosher as far as the CBA goes?
2. Do you think either team would be interested in such a deal?

[Kindergarten Cop]

To be honest, although I hope that I am wrong, I see the Tony Parker to NYK as a much more likely scenario than a RJ sign-and-trade to NYK.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I think Gallinari is nearly untouchable. But Chandler would definitely be a nice 3 to bring in. I'd go for option 3.

[EricB]

He's usually the most informed ESPN guy about the Spurs, because he's spent a lot of time with the team. That said, I don't think RJ's going to NY.


Wasn't he the one that said "The Spurs are almost a lock to get Cory Maggette?"

Maybe not, thats been a few years...

[AFBlue]

Just an idea I've been kicking around in my head...

With teams like the Knicks, Nets, etc. who have some additional cap space, does anyone think they might want to ship a player to the Spurs instead of just a trade exception?

For example:

Knicks have $34 million in cap space. They'll probably sign someone else before they sign RJ, but for the sake of this example, let's say RJ is their first signing.

They could:
-Sign RJ outright for $9 million, dropping their cap space to $25 million.
-Work with Spurs on RJ sign and trade; same cap number, but maybe they also get a 2nd round pick out of it or something. Spurs get $9 million trade exception.
-Work with Spurs on RJ sign and trade, but also send someone like Wilson Chandler or Danilo Gallinari to the Spurs. Instead of $9 million trade exception, Spurs get a player and a $6-7 million trade exception. Instead of $25 million in cap space, Knicks now have $27-28 million in cap space.


1. Is a trade like the one outlined in the 3rd bullet kosher as far as the CBA goes?
2. Do you think either team would be interested in such a deal?

The problem with the last scenario (Knicks sending player back) is that Chandler and Gallinari both have value and are on relatively cheap contracts. The Knicks could sign RJ outright and just keep the other two...or trade them for something more attractive.

If the Spurs do a S&T with RJ and the other team is below the cap, it's likely any player received in return is in the "cuttable" category.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Wasn't he the one that said "The Spurs are almost a lock to get Cory Maggette?"

Maybe not, thats been a few years...

I believe that nearly everyone was saying that. :depressed

[ffadicted]

Ugh, I need some time to take this all in, I think I justed puked a little in my mouth

[ace3g]

that or get Wilson Chandler

[Ginnoobbllee]

I would think this gives more of a chance to resigning Parker. That's a big hunk of money saved, that could be spent on Parker the following year with a new contract.

Also, what is the incentive to Jefferson to do a sign and trade? Wouldn't he be more marketable to just sign as a free agent without the new team having to give up anything in return? Why would he do the Spurs any favors, obviously doesn't care about leaving them in a lurch, unless this would net him more money? Does it?
:greedy

[Mel_13]

1. Is a trade like the one outlined in the 3rd bullet kosher as far as the CBA goes?
2. Do you think either team would be interested in such a deal?

1. Yes

2. The Spurs would for sure. I have a hard time understanding why the Knicks would want RJ. Is he better than either Chandler or Gallo?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't get how RJ is a good fit for D'Antoni's system. D'Antoni likes players who can shoot, dribble and pass. RJ is below average in each category.

He loves the run and gun. That's admittedly Jefferson's real strength as a player, getting out on the break.

As long as we can do a trade and get something back for him. Chandler, Lee, etc...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wasn't he the one that said "The Spurs are almost a lock to get Cory Maggette?"

Maybe not, thats been a few years...

Considering your posts on here in the last 24 hours, you might want to tone down the whole 'criticize the source' thing.

[Creation88]

Considering your posts on here in the last 24 hours, you might want to tone down the whole 'criticize the source' thing.

lol.

[lurker23]

Yeah, I don't know that Chandler or Gallo are necessarily get-able from the Spurs perspective, I was just throwing names out there for the sake of example. Same principle could be applied to Nets, Clippers, etc. If the Spurs want to get a player of any value back, they may have to throw in a first round pick. As steep a price as that sounds, a large trade exception can sometimes be more valuable than a first rounder.

[EricB]

Considering your posts on here in the last 24 hours, you might want to tone down the whole 'criticize the source' thing.

I stand by my sources.


Again, scroll if you dont like.

[stnick2261]

I can't believe I read all 1110 posts in this thread...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I stand by my sources.


Again, scroll if you dont like.

Yeah, saying you heard we were going to go after a certain player for the LLE, but not naming said player.

And then the whole Odom to Miami thing.

What's there to stand by? The only explanation for item #1 is that you heard it from Kori or LJ and don't want to repeat it.

Otherwise, who's gonna know?

LOL @ Odom...

[2pac]

I stand by my sources.


Again, scroll if you dont like.

You don't have sources.

hth

[rayray2k8]

You don't have sources.

hth

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131465

[ace3g]

if EricB does have sources, and said he was surprised by the target for the LLE, lets say the Spurs sign said player, how will we know if you are telling the truth.

You can't say "my sources were right" because you never mentioned the players name, the Spurs could go out and sign "whoever" and you could be like yep that was who my sources said they were going to sign.

You aren't even saying if it is a SF, his previous team, etc.

This is like me saying "my sources tell me the Spurs will sign someone this offseason"

[lurker23]

If the Spurs are able to pull off an RJ sign and trade, what do people feel would be the most likely package involved? Would it be something like this?

Other team gets:

Richard Jefferson, 2nd round pick (to convince them not to just sign RJ outright with cap space)

Spurs get:

One huge trade exception

Or would something as simple as $1 million cash sound more likely than a 2nd rounder?

[jiggy_55]

if EricB does have sources, and said he was surprised by the target for the LLE, lets say the Spurs sign said player, how will we know if you are telling the truth.

You can't say "my sources were right" because you never mentioned the players name, the Spurs could go out and sign "whoever" and you could be like yep that was who my sources said they were going to sign.

You aren't even saying if it is a SF, his previous team, etc.

This is like me saying "my sources tell me the Spurs will sign someone this offseason"

:lmao

[rayray2k8]

if EricB does have sources, and said he was surprised by the target for the LLE, lets say the Spurs sign said player, how will we know if you are telling the truth.

You can't say "my sources were right" because you never mentioned the players name, the Spurs could go out and sign "whoever" and you could be like yep that was who my sources said they were going to sign.

You aren't even saying if it is a SF, his previous team, etc.

This is like me saying "my sources tell me the Spurs will sign someone this offseason"

The only person who had a true source was GIG. That's it. He was the one who broke the jefferson deal and look how that turned out. :lol

[tdunk21]

is this the longest thread on ST with 1118 replies and 43 pages?

[Creation88]

my sources tell me that i might get a #1 from Whataburger for lunch.

[Mel_13]

is this the longest thread on ST with 1118 replies and 43 pages?

Not even close....yet.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&securitytoken=1278007963-f697048302819b6c0038aa0eba53dff4ea77c2cc&f=2&page=1&pp=25&sort=replycount&order=desc&daysprune=-1

[jiggy_55]

The Ric Bucher bit of news came from this video: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5345347&categoryid=2459788

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

if EricB does have sources, and said he was surprised by the target for the LLE, lets say the Spurs sign said player, how will we know if you are telling the truth.

You can't say "my sources were right" because you never mentioned the players name, the Spurs could go out and sign "whoever" and you could be like yep that was who my sources said they were going to sign.

You aren't even saying if it is a SF, his previous team, etc.

This is like me saying "my sources tell me the Spurs will sign someone this offseason"


Exactly. Don't name a name TPark. Just give us his current NBA division (Southwest, etc.) and what position he plays.

Otherwise you have zero credibility on the source thing.

[ohmwrecker]

is this the longest thread on ST with 1118 replies and 43 pages?

What is the record for locked threads in a 24 hour period? Kori is busy today.

[TimDunkem]

What is the record for locked threads in a 24 hour period? Kori is busy today.
Busy? How much effort does it take to lock less than a handful of threads?

[ohmwrecker]

Busy? How much effort does it take to lock less than a handful of threads?

It's a joke you dense motherfucker.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

So, Matt Barnes is a cheap replacement....and they WILL need a cheap replacement.

+++++

[TimDunkem]

It's a joke you dense motherfucker.
You're a worse comedian than Lefty you lame motherfucker.

[ohmwrecker]

You're a worse comedian than Lefty you lame motherfucker.

I'm just saying that Kori is locking a lot of threads today and you, for some reason, find this cause to flip out? And I'm lame? OK, cowboy. You got me.

[TimDunkem]

I flipped out? Where?

Don't call me cowboy by the way. That sounds like some faggoty Culburn bullshit.

[iManu]

Great.

[ohmwrecker]

I flipped out? Where?

Don't call me cowboy by the way. That sounds like some faggoty Culburn bullshit.

Why are you responding to me in the first place? This really isn't argument material. I don't know what "faggoty Culburn bullshit" is. Are you mentally imbalanced or something?

[phxspurfan]

Yes!!! gg Spurs!

[Dex]

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu262/frobbnik/vader_flower.gif

[TimDunkem]

Why are you responding to me in the first place? This really isn't argument material. I don't know what "faggoty Culburn bullshit" is. Are you mentally imbalanced or something?
It was more of a jab at Kori than a knock on your lame joke because it really takes no effort to lock a few threads. It should be done regularly. I was actually about to edit my post when you flipped out.

And don't play dumb. If you've ever clicked on the NBA forum then you know who that pedo Culburn is.

[ohmwrecker]

It was more of a jab at Kori than a knock on your lame joke because it really takes no effort to lock a few threads. It should be done regularly. I was actually about to edit my post when you flipped out.

And don't play dumb. If you've ever clicked on the NBA forum then you know who that pedo Culburn is.

Ugh . . . I know it takes no effort to lock threads. Sarcasm is a hard concept to grasp apparently. I guess it was kind of lame, but it really didn't require a response at all. I didn't flip out, I am just pretty casual about my use of the word motherfucker. Lastly, I really have no idea what this Culburn is, but it sounds like something i wouldn't be interested in. So, have fun, good luck with all that.

[TimDunkem]

Ugh . . . I know it takes no effort to lock threads. Sarcasm is a hard concept to grasp apparently. I guess it was kind of lame, but it really didn't require a response at all.
I guess you can't read either.

Moving on...

[bdictjames]

I can't believe this. He better not get more than 10 mil per season.. 4 years 30 million is reasonable.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

Y! Sports' Latest Free Agency Buzz: Richard Jefferson eyes return to Metropolitan N.Y. area: http://tinyurl.com/34uvljx

[Creation88]

Richard Jefferson doesn’t have a deal with the San Antonio Spurs and would prefer to return to the New York area to play for the Knicks or Nets, league sources told Y! Sports.

Jefferson is seeking a multiyear contract that averages in the range of $8 million-$10 million, sources said. He opted out of the $15 million final season of his contract with the Spurs on Tuesday.

Jefferson has built a good relationship with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, but doesn’t think the team’s system best fits his skills.

The Spurs could still try to sign Jefferson to a contract that lowers their luxury-tax hit, depending on what other options they find in free agency.

[DesignatedT]

We don't have any other options....?

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Exactly. Jefferson wasn't great, but Matt barnes, James Jones and other LLE or Min players aren't going to have the ability to potentially go off for 20+ on any given night.

Have some in here completely forgotten why the Spurs needed to go out and get a 4th scorer?

TD, Tony, Manu, George = 4 scorers

Best option for SF LLE is defensive sf who can shoot the 3 and slash -- matt barnes fits that bill

[BillMc]

What a bitch ass. As if he hadnt hurt the Spurs enough already.

For those of you rejoicing this aint good news. Even with his 15 mill off the books the Spurs wont have money to spend in FA, as bad as RJ was his replacement wont be as talented. Not only that but a 15 mill expiring contract couldve had alot of value going into the trade deadline. Fuck you Dick Jefferson. Fuck you.

+10000000

He would have been a great trade assest. Could have been better in the 2nd year and is still WAAAYYYY better than anyone our capped out team could get.

[Mel_13]

Spurs player sighting of the evening.

We're season ticket holders and my son won a door prize at the Draft Party last week. It was for VIP access at the FIBA-Americas U18 tourney finals here in San Antonio. I sent him a message about RJ just as they were moving him to the VIP area at center court. The Bronze Medal game between Argentina and Canada is going on now, so Manu is there and my son gets seated right in front of him. So, he asks Manu to sign his cap and tells him about RJ. He says Manu was absolutely incredulous.

Manu texting on his iPhone right after my son told him about RJ:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4752554181_b1a6ed2a20.jpg

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Some people don't like the idea of signing him to a long term deal. The thing is, when the Spurs begin the rebuilding process...he'll be the first one shipped out for cap space.

Yeah but by the time rebuilding comes around, rjs deal will be back-loaded, he'll be 33+ yrs old, and he's still gonna suck. Whose gonna take THAT off the Spurs' books?

[DPG21920]

It's a joke you dense motherfucker.

You are a miserable person to have around :lol

[jiggy_55]

Manu texting on his iPhone right after my son told him about RJ:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4752554181_b1a6ed2a20.jpg

Your son said what exactly? RJ is interested in NYK/NJN?

Thanks for the pic.

[Mel_13]

Your son said what exactly? RJ is interested in NYK/NJN?

Thanks for the pic.

That was last night at the FIBA U18 tournament. He told Manu that RJ had opted out. Manu said "That's some good data" and started texting.

[Harry Callahan]

That was last night at the FIBA U18 tournament. He told Manu that RJ had opted out. Manu said "That's some good data" and started texting.

Was Manu upset?

I just hope the FO can salvage something out of RJ for all the time and effort put into him.

He just did not get with the program last year.

[DPG21920]

That was last night at the FIBA U18 tournament. He told Manu that RJ had opted out. Manu said "That's some good data" and started texting.

Instead of "data", are you sure Manu did not say "infos"? That sounds more foreign.

[Mel_13]

Instead of "data", are you sure Manu did not say "infos"? That sounds more foreign.

I wasn't there. Just relaying the story as my son remembered the exchange.

[Creation88]

Manu said "that's some GOOD data." lol

[Mel_13]

Was Manu upset?

Surprised

[DPG21920]

I wasn't there. Just relaying the story as my son remembered the exchange.

It was a joke :lol. Don't you notice that a lot of foreign posters say "infos" around here?

"That is some good infos"

"Thanks for the infos"

[Mel_13]

It was a joke :lol. Don't you notice that a lot of foreign posters say "infos" around here?

"That is some good infos"

"Thanks for the infos"

:lol

Use the blue

[jiggy_55]

McDonald:

http://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/17525528799

Just posted to mysa.com. No deal yet, but Jefferson's return to #spurs looking imminent. http://bit.ly/agdsAq

[ohmwrecker]

You are a miserable person to have around :lol

Well, that is just not nice at all.

[spursfan1000]

Bump.

[DesignatedT]

Bump.

why?

[spursfan1000]

why?


classic thread :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

RC Buford gave this bum a 4yr/39M contract... Gave Splitter a 4yr/36M contract

People are wondering what Kawhi will get... Knowing RC's past, I'll say a 4yr/60M contract sounds right

[testies]

RC Tardford