Copa America 2011 thread

[urunobili]

Di Maria and Lavezzi can play on the midfield. Too many "disrupters" doesn't work for Argentina. Mascherano is good destroying but he doesn't have the foot and will Cambiasso has. I would swap them giving the starting job to the forementioned.

[IronMaxipad]

Why don't you guys just send hookers to Batistas room? Problem solved.

[MmP]

Bielsa left tired of the pressure, the situation i doubt he's eager to come back there.

[DAF86]

The thought of Bielsa coaching these players makes me salivate.

[ElNono]

Why don't you guys just send hookers to Batistas room? Problem solved.

Please... the guy was on the brink of dying because of coke OD... He's probably hitting a few hoes tonight.

The only way to get him out would be losing to Costa Rica... and tbh, I can't get myself to cheer for them but it would only be right.

[ElNono]

Di Maria and Lavezzi can play on the midfield. Too many "disrupters" doesn't work for Argentina. Mascherano is good destroying but he doesn't have the foot and will Cambiasso has. I would swap them giving the starting job to the forementioned.

Agree on DiMaria, plus he can play the wing where we have nobody to stretch the other team's defense. But Lavezzi is a striker in Napoli. He's a guy that lives inside the penalty area. Which is why he sucks as anything else.

[ElNono]

Martino is a good coach... heck, add Borghi to that list... he's got a better resume that this clown

[IronMaxipad]

Please... the guy was on the brink of dying because of coke OD... He's probably hitting a few hoes tonight.

The only way to get him out would be losing to Costa Rica... and tbh, I can't get myself to cheer for them but it would only be right.

Oh shit. :lol

No way Costa Rica beats Argentina. tbh, Costa Rica is the type of team you want to play it will give the players confidence.

[DAF86]

Please... the guy was on the brink of dying because of coke OD... He's probably hitting a few hoes tonight.

The only way to get him out would be losing to Costa Rica... and tbh, I can't get myself to cheer for them but it would only be right.

Win win situation tbh.

[DAF86]

Oh shit. :lol

No way Costa Rica beats Argentina. tbh, Costa Rica is the type of team you want to play it will give the players confidence.

I'm not so sure anymore, not too long Argentina starting team minus Messi draw with this same Costa Rica team.

[urunobili]

Agree on DiMaria, plus he can play the wing where we have nobody to stretch the other team's defense. But Lavezzi is a striker in Napoli. He's a guy that lives inside the penalty area. Which is why he sucks as anything else.

Nope. Lavezzi plays the 10 in Napoli. The strikers are Cavani and the Croatian dude I cant remember...

[DAF86]

Lavezzi plays as a wing in Napoli, tbh.

[MmP]

I think Arg needs a classic forward in the area too. Their lacking of presence in there.

I'd put a midfielder who can get the ball to Messi near the area and Huguain as forward. Take out Tevez and Lavezzi. I'd take out Banega too, the guy is a joke. I'd like to get Aguero in somewhere but I wouldn't know where..gee Argentina has too much talent.

[ElNono]

Nope. Lavezzi plays the 10 in Napoli. The strikers are Cavani and the Croatian dude I cant remember...

I thought Cavani was more of an attacking midfielder... but I believe you. I haven't seen Napoli in a while. :tu

[ElNono]

I'm ready to hand the reigns to Bilardo if necessary... he'll play Romero + 8 defenders + Messi + Higuain... but I bet you we win more games that way.

[ElNono]

And talking about Napoli, lol Italy

[DAF86]

I'm ready to hand the reigns to Bilardo if necessary... he'll play Romero + 8 defenders + Messi + Higuain... but I bet you we win more games that way.

Never, Bilardo is senile right now. I would take him out of the NT for good, I don't even know what role he is playing but he's in there contaminating the whole thing.

[MmP]

I think Bielsa would fit better, although I highly doubt he's up to take this team in this situation. He likes more taking control of long term deals.
Bianchi was never considered because of his relationship with Arg football board.
I guess Sabella is a good candidate.

I think Argentina can turn this thing around.

[ElNono]

I think Arg needs a classic forward in the area too. Their lacking of presence in there.

We can't even get the ball that far... Tevez gets to the corner of the penalty area and start trying to do his thing. Messi is picking up the ball at midfield. Lavezzi runs the wing, then can't even center a ball.

That's why I'm saying you need a classic 10 like Pastore. He can pass the ball and play some back and forth passing with Messi. Then you do need somebody to finish the play. I don't know what this guys doing with 3 defensive midfielders out there.

[MmP]

We can't even get the ball that far... Tevez gets to the corner of the penalty area and start trying to do his thing. Messi is picking up the ball at midfield. Lavezzi runs the wing, then can't even center a ball.

That's why I'm saying you need a classic 10 like Pastore. He can pass the ball and play some back and forth passing with Messi. Then you do need somebody to finish the play. I don't know what this guys doing with 3 defensive midfielders out there.
That's my point precesily. A 10 who can get the ball up there. Pastore likely. I don't know if Aguero plays the 10. Although I think he's too forward minded to that position.

[ElNono]

Never, Bilardo is senile right now. I would take him out of the NT for good, I don't even know what role he is playing but he's in there contaminating the whole thing.

Bilardo was never sound. He's always been crazy as shit.
But he understands one thing that most other coaches do not: You build your team from the back. You start from a solid defense and go from there.

I keep asking for Pastore, but he won't hide the deficiencies we have at the back. The hope is we can score more than the other team. Unfortunately, unless we get a completely defensive minded coach we're not getting excellence at the back again.

[MmP]

I too wonder what Bielsa would do with this team.

[ElNono]

That's my point precesily. A 10 who can get the ball up there. Pastore likely. I don't know if Aguero plays the 10. Although I think he's too forward minded to that position.

Agüero is a finisher. Much like Higuain. He can run from behind if there are open spaces, but when it's tight, he's only good to finish plays.

[ElNono]

Bielsa isn't picking up the phone while Grondona is still there. Much like Bianchi.
Pekerman might. Sabella, Gareca, Russo are also good candidates. Borghi and Martino too if they wouldn't be coaching other NT.

[ElNono]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pastore-titular-YA/124044134349439

:lol

[ElNono]

Garay is on the team and we're playing Milito???

[DAF86]

I too wonder what Bielsa would do with this team.


Romero

Garay Mussacchio Rojo

Mascherano

Zabaleta_______________Datolo

Messi

Levezzi Higuain Di Maria

Relentless attack with high pressing in the other's team half.

[ElNono]

lol Batista... "I'm thinking maybe playing Pastore next to Messi and a full-time striker in front of them against Costa Rica"

maybe??? :lol

[ElNono]

Batista: "Pastore could play with Messi, but I don't like to change that much"

Gee... it's not like this isn't working at all...

[ALVAREZ6]

Messi, Lavezzi, Zanetti

Those are Italian names



LOL Italy
Cambiasso, Burdisso, Milito, Di Maria, Pastore (at least I think), and switching sports Ginobili, Nocioni... yeah, lots of Italians.


http://www.hastevezleftyet.com/
:lol



Romero

Garay Mussacchio Rojo

Mascherano

Zabaleta_______________Datolo

Messi

Levezzi Higuain Di Maria

Relentless attack with high pressing in the other's team half.
lol..I would change that by replacing Lavezzi with Aguero..and IDK shit about Datolo but I'd likely find 2 other replacements for he and Zabaleta.





So it seems I ddin't miss much while writing parts of my 10-page paper due Friday. Glad I didn't succumb to the temptation because I need every minute remaining until the due date to complete this project. LMFArgentina, LMFAFA, LMFATTHEDUMBESTSUBSIVEEVERSEEN. lol Batista, what a damn joke, elNono is completely correct, that guy has no capacity to coach this team. Any one of us here would put out a better team than he consistently does. I don't get his damn choices, especially with Lavezzi playing over Aguero, it's like he feels bad he needs to share the time. Fuck that, change the formation, put Masch in the back four (anywhere honestly) and play Pastore in an advanced attacking midfielder role. LMAO at this rate the team will never compete for a single world cup, completely disparaging this generation of firepower. The AFA will be forced to eventually name a new coach. Unfortunately, this won't be until 2 to 4 months before the 2014 World Cup.

lol, the defense is just goddamn atrocious. Save for Zanetti, all of the defenders flat out suck ass...they are pathetic. I don't get why there aren't more Argentine defenders that are faster than me with some ability on the ball, because right now I would give Milito, Demichelis, Otamendi, or any other defensive scrub imaginable a serious run for their money. Since this team is fucking up so bad compared to their potential, might as well try a completely new approach of using only athletic and/or skilled players:


Romero
Zanetti - Cambiasso - Mascherano - Clemente Rodriguez
Di Maria - Pastore - Aguero
Messi - Higuain - Tevez


High risk, high reward. At least the less athletic players are proven performers this way, not some completely average citizens. LMAO, most of the Argentine defenders are average Joses off the street.

[lefty]

Nope. Lavezzi plays the 10 in Napoli. The strikers are Cavani and the Croatian dude I cant remember...

Cavani is a striker and Hamsik is a midfielder


I've followed Napoli this season because of Yebda :D

[Sense]

So I missed yet another epic 0-0...

Awesome.

[DAF86]

According to ogait it was an entertaining match for neutrals, I couldn't tell 'cause I was too busy cursing.

[MB20]

lol Argentina.
Zero creativity on attack. These players are supposed to be great in 1 on 1 situations. Somebody needs to break down those defenses.
It´s really easy to play Arg today. You just wait on defense, and look for the mistake to counter-attack.
The D is a joke, but we already knew it.
One goal in two games? Give me a break...I´m so dissapointed.
And I want a "tank 9". Tired of midgets.

[cheguevara]

I will put this excerpt from IMHO one of the best comments said in the internets from an argentine:

Mas allá de los errores varios de Batista...tenemos , de una vez por todas, darnos cuenta que hace años que dejamos de ser una de las mejores selecciones del mundo. Solo tenemos al mejor jugador del mundo, que por ahora no lo demostró en su selección. Ahora el resto de los jugadores no son de la elite del futbol, hay jugadores tan buenos como ellos en muchas selecciones. Por ejemplo, nuestros laterales deben ser por lejos de los mas flojo a nivel mundial. Los centrales son medio pelo, Mascherano marca mucho pero tiene los pies cuadrados. No tenemos un conductor, porque no juega Pastore??? y por si fuera poco no hay juego asociado. Entonces es hora de admitir que somos una Selección mas del montón."

it's time to wake up to reality. Argentina is just another mediocre latin team just like Colombia, Mexico, Ecuador, Chile.

Any of those teams can beat each other any given time. Don't worry El Che sees Argentina making at least the semi finals.

[lefty]

I don't think Colombia is a mediocre team

They played very well

Falcao is a star, and that Carlos Sanchez did a great job on Messi=god

[cheguevara]

IMO mediocre team = win some, lose some but never go far in the world cup. Argentina was great once, now they are mediocre and back in the pack.

[MB20]

it's time to wake up to reality.

<<< Already did. Years ago.

[hater]

I don't think Colombia is a mediocre team

They played very well

Falcao is a star, and that Carlos Sanchez did a great job on Messi=god

they missed 3 of the 5 easiest goals in the Cup so far.

They play like beasts but when it's time to put it in the net, they just can't. South american soccer is in a pathetic state these days. Before we used to say, Brazil + Argentina at least show some face in the world stage. Now that is no more.

[diego]

while agree that argentina is mediocre in defense and GK and has been for several years now, mexico/chile/colombia/ecuador dont have any where near the amount of forwards argentina does. The problem is they are too similar, its foolish to play messi/aguero/tevez/di maria together because they are all small, fast 1v1 types- it works for barca because they have two playmakers. the closest we have to a true 9 is higuain/lavezzi/milito- the first two are really not that big, and while milito can play with his back to the goal he isnt much with his head either. We desperately need people who can go for a cross/corner, right now our best is Burdisso and he isnt very tall either. Against bolivia they had something like 16 corner kicks and werent even close to creating danger on any of them. freekicks is the same story, they are forced to shoot at goal because no one is going to win a header.

bielsa is not the solution. I respect him for his intelligence and work ethic, but he is a stubborn idealist, he flopped badly in 02 and though Chile improved with him as coach, they were really lucky in the WC and again Bielsa made some dubious decisions (like playing suazo who was coming from injury and basically useless the whole tournament). Bielsa would do a good job qualifying but crap out in elimination tournament be it the WC, CA, etc.

There are many more qualified argentine coaches: russo, bianchi, diaz, pekerman, hell even someone like cuper or caruso are more qualified than batista, and would get more out of these players. Since 06 argentina hasnt had the players to be a WC contender, but we still have enough to be a dark horse and certainly enough to win a copa america considering that brazil is rebuilding, paraguay hasnt been the same since cabañas got shot, etc. this is just a shameful display and it starts with the coach, there's a reason no one on earth plays a triple-5 midfield but this idiot thinks he is going to reinvent the wheel

[hater]

Riquelme. that was my boy. He would be doing his magic with this squad. He is the main reason Argentina has won something in the last 10 years (olympics)

[lefty]

they missed 3 of the 5 easiest goals in the Cup so far.

They play like beasts but when it's time to put it in the net, they just can't. South american soccer is in a pathetic state these days. Before we used to say, Brazil + Argentina at least show some face in the world stage. Now that is no more.
Yeah, they should have buried at least 1 (empty net)

But I think the colombian was thrown off by the foul, he probably thought the fucking referee would call a penalty.
I guess he was surprised, plus it happened so fast

[hater]

seriously Argentina is playing horrible. They want to score by walking the ball inside the goal. :rolleyes

what happened to the good ol days of Batistuta or Crespo. throw those mofos the ball and one touch it was 50% chance of going in.

This was the main difference between Argentina and the other south american teams. Now that difference is gone. They all a bunch of midgets trying to take 5 defenders on their own and barrel into the goal. :bang

[lefty]

seriously Argentina is playing horrible. They want to score by walking the ball inside the goal. :rolleyes

what happened to the good ol days of Batistuta or Crespo. throw those mofos the ball and one touch it was 50% chance of going in.
Yep

But Aguerro should have started

[hater]

IMO take Tevez, Labestia out. Start Higuain, Kun. Messi needs to play from mid field. they are too crowded up top.

if that does not work. Take messi out and put in pastore, a better playmaker imo

[TDMVPDPOY]

this tournament is exposing that messi=god bullshit

[hater]

messi is getting killed by the argentine media and public already.

They are calling for him to go back to Spain and never come back :lol

[ElNono]

Argentina's decline can easily be tracked back to a pretty bad generation of defenders and poor coaching. Half of the good coaches out there already burnt bridges with the federation's president, so they're no longer available.

All in all though, I thought Argentina had a good World Cup. At least for the most part they played 20x better than the shit they're showing now. I really think Batista is way over his head.

[MB20]

There´s no vocal leader on the field.
Maradona, Ruggeri, Passarella and even Simeone would shout to their teammates when they fuck up.
There´s noone with that type of personality today.

[urunobili]

Maradona is a motivator only. This would have been a tournament for him to win but oh wait, with his World Champ squad with him as a leader they choked in 87 anyway... :wakeup

[romain.star]

Argentina is possibly the most talented team out there.

All they need is a world class defender with leadership abilities and a good coach.
Too bad Bielsa Marcelo is not available. Do you guys know if he's interested in the job?

[nkdlunch]

it's clear Arg weak point is the defense. That has no fix this competition. They will have to roll with what they got. Someone mentioned the Phoenix Suns. Yeah, they will have to play like the Suns and hope their offense will carry them.

Pastore El Flaco will come in and will give them a boost in the midfield. They should be able to beat any team except monster defenses like Brasil, Paraguay.

[ElNono]

Argentina is possibly the most talented team out there.

All they need is a world class defender with leadership abilities and a good coach.
Too bad Bielsa Marcelo is not available. Do you guys know if he's interested in the job?

Bielsa had a terrible showing in the Korea/Japan World cup and after winning Olympic Gold got fed up with the BS from Grondona (the soccer federation president).

[ALVAREZ6]

I will put this excerpt from IMHO one of the best comments said in the internets from an argentine:

Mas allá de los errores varios de Batista...tenemos , de una vez por todas, darnos cuenta que hace años que dejamos de ser una de las mejores selecciones del mundo. Solo tenemos al mejor jugador del mundo, que por ahora no lo demostró en su selección. Ahora el resto de los jugadores no son de la elite del futbol, hay jugadores tan buenos como ellos en muchas selecciones. Por ejemplo, nuestros laterales deben ser por lejos de los mas flojo a nivel mundial. Los centrales son medio pelo, Mascherano marca mucho pero tiene los pies cuadrados. No tenemos un conductor, porque no juega Pastore??? y por si fuera poco no hay juego asociado. Entonces es hora de admitir que somos una Selección mas del montón."

it's time to wake up to reality. Argentina is just another mediocre latin team just like Colombia, Mexico, Ecuador, Chile.

Any of those teams can beat each other any given time. Don't worry El Che sees Argentina making at least the semi finals.

Not sure if I completely agree with the underlined portion..Tevez and Aguero are damn elite players, any country would love to have them available. And the Messi crap is bullshit, everyone who says he hasn't played to his abilities for Argentina are misleading. They imply it's he that hasn't brought it for the team, when really it's been no different than what he does at Barca. He misses easy goals for Barcelona too, but for that club it doesn't matter much because they always have the ball and create tons of scoring opportunities against any opponent. Messi still plays his ass off for Argentina, it's simply an overall inferior team to Barcelona (as is any other team, club or national, in the world). For Argentina, Messi has to do everything, he's the only one who can consistently advance the ball and has to drop way back to receive passes. It's no wonder he doesn't capitalize as much for his national team as he does for his club..by the time he gets in scoring range he's probably exhausted from everything he had to do to lead to the play.

[ALVAREZ6]

Riquelme. that was my boy. He would be doing his magic with this squad. He is the main reason Argentina has won something in the last 10 years (olympics)

Riquelme is an overrated, slow ass pile of shit, and has been for at least half a decade. He frustrated me a lot back in the 06 World Cup.

[ALVAREZ6]

this tournament is exposing that messi=god bullshit

Yup. Totally correct on that one. This tournament has proven Messi is not the best player in the world. Cristiano Ronaldo, David Villa, and Wayne Rooney would all do better with the same exact roster.

[ALVAREZ6]

messi is getting killed by the argentine media and public already.

They are calling for him to go back to Spain and never come back :lol

That's not a surprise because the Argentine media and public are fucking retarded, in general.

lol @ disapproving of Messi because his non-forward teammates suck total dick
lol @ go back to Spain trash talk
lol @ multiple clubs (like River... LOL River) having the chance to sign the best player in the world
lol @ any of said clubs wish they took on his medical bills, because they could have sold his ass to Spain for a fuckload of money
lol retards

[hater]

Riquelme is an overrated, slow ass pile of shit, and has been for at least half a decade. He frustrated me a lot back in the 06 World Cup.

the Argentina team of 2006 did not lose a game. They lost in penalties to the host, Germany.

that's 100000x better than tying with Bolivia and Colombia in home turf

[ALVAREZ6]

the Argentina team of 2006 did not lose a game. They lost in penalties to the host, Germany.

that's 100000x better than tying with Bolivia and Colombia in home turf
Oh, ok. Got ya. The difference is completely due to the lack of Riquelme.



That team was better overall. The defense was stronger and the coaching was clearly WAY superior. Javier Saviola played well that tournament, as did many of the Argentina players. Messi and Tevez came off the bench and wreaked havoc immediately once on the pitch. They didn't score a ton of goals, but they put a lot of pressure on other teams. The team was overall more balanced, and I thought the team could have gone all the way, especially against Italy in the semis...but that German team always ends us. Argentina only gave up 3 goals in 5 games in that WC...and remember, their opponents were Holland, Ivory Coast (06 "group of death), Serbia & Montenegro, Mexico, and Germany.

[ElNono]

Riquelme is an overrated, slow ass pile of shit, and has been for at least half a decade. He frustrated me a lot back in the 06 World Cup.

This. Add a complete failure in Europe.

[ElNono]

And the 2006 team had a great coach: Pekerman.

[ElNono]

This Ticos-Bolivia game looks like a 0-0...

[ALVAREZ6]

And the 2006 team had a great coach: Pekerman.

wish he was still the coach... or if they had this guy:

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/Curb-Your-Enthusiasm/images/larry-david-6.jpg











whoops, I meant:


http://www.as.com/diarioasmedia/diarioas/media/200508/26/futbol/20050826dasdasftb_5_I_LCO.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R_0qbvfZ5gg/TGwxwlox-sI/AAAAAAAAGdU/iGjejI-JYDY/s640/carlos-bianchi.jpg
(lolz)



Do it Grondona!!! you fat old worthless piece of faggot shit

[ElNono]

Shit... Ticos up 1-0

[ElNono]

Bianchi already said he won't pick up the phone if Grondona is still there...

[ElNono]

This result means we have to win or win monday

[ElNono]

Penalty for Costa Rica

[ElNono]

and red card for Bolivia

[ElNono]

Penalty saved!

[ElNono]

Another red card for Bolivia... down to 9 players

[ElNono]

Ticos 2-0

[NASpurs]

My country, FUCK YEAH! They might not do shit after this but bask in the glory! :lol

[DAF86]

There are many more qualified argentine coaches: russo, bianchi, diaz, pekerman, hell even someone like cuper or caruso are more qualified than batista, and would get more out of these players. Since 06 argentina hasnt had the players to be a WC contender, but we still have enough to be a dark horse and certainly enough to win a copa america considering that brazil is rebuilding, paraguay hasnt been the same since cabañas got shot, etc. this is just a shameful display and it starts with the coach, there's a reason no one on earth plays a triple-5 midfield but this idiot thinks he is going to reinvent the wheel

You Mean Caruso Lombardi? You're kidding right?, He already said that if he was the NT coach he would leave Messi on the bench, thanks but no.

[DAF86]

Shit... Ticos up 1-0


This result means we have to win or win monday

Costa Rica winning is good for us, now our future is in our hands (I don't know if that's a good thing though).

An no, we can draw and still qualify as one of the two best thirds, Italy style.

lmao Italy

lmao Argentina :depressed

[DAF86]

this tournament is exposing that messi=god bullshit

Put any other player instead of Messi in this team and they wouldn't do any better, taking Messi away is taking away the only offense Argetina can generate.

[DAF86]

South american soccer is in a pathetic state these days. Before we used to say, Brazil + Argentina at least show some face in the world stage. Now that is no more.

Disagreed, Argentina and Brazil may have go down a bit but Southamerica as a whole is in great shape, I think this last WC showed that. Every CONMEBOL qualified to the knock out stage, 4 out of 5 got to the quarters and the only one that idn't lost to a southamerican team, Uruguay got to the semis and Paraguy was a penalty away of knocking out the eventual champs. Besides the Conmebol is the only federation that can say that every member of it is competitive.

[Phenomanul]

Disagreed, Argentina and Brazil may have go down a bit but Southamerica as a whole is in great shape, I think this last WC showed that. Every CONMEBOL qualified to the knock out stage, 4 out of 5 got to the quarters and the only one that idn't lost to a southamerican team, Uruguay got to the semis and Paraguy was a penalty away of knocking out the eventual champs. Besides the Conmebol is the only federation that can say that every member of it is competitive.

This

Even Venezuelan fútbol has grown so much over the past decade... they're no longer pushovers...

[Phenomanul]

No way, you can't compare the level of competition the U-17 is facing with the level of the Copa America. The U-17 squad would have lost by at least 3 goals against Chile, they're still kids, there's too much difference. Bealive me I know from experience...

I meant to answer this a while back...

Obviously their age/experience would factor against them (more than likely weighing against them defensively)... But seriously, outside of Gio Dos Santos (and the suspended players) the skeleton-crew U-22 Mexican squad that was left to play the tournament doesn't have much talent...

I would venture to say that a 5 or 6 players on the U-17 squad are far more talented and skilled than those on the U-22 team...

Off the top of my head:
Julio Gomez
Omar Briseño
Carlos Fierro
Espericueta
Giovanni Casillas
Carlos Guzman
Marco Gracias

[DAF86]

I meant to answer this a while back...

Obviously their age/experience would factor against them (more than likely weighing against them defensively)... But seriously, outside of Gio Dos Santos (and the suspended players) the skeleton-crew U-22 Mexican squad that was left to play the tournament doesn't have much talent...

I would venture to say that a 5 or 6 players on the U-17 squad are far more talented and skilled than those on the U-22 team...

Off the top of my head:
Julio Gomez
Omar Briseño
Carlos Fierro
Espericueta
Giovanni Casillas
Carlos Guzman
Marco Gracias

That's probably true, but it's not the same to play the youngsters mixed with some veterans than to play a whole U-17 team. Too much physical and mental difference.

[urunobili]

are you all saying that this U17 Uruguayan team would have defeated Peru?

[IronMaxipad]

That's probably true, but it's not the same to play the youngsters mixed with some veterans than to play a whole U-17 team. Too much physical and mental difference.

This.

There's a huge difference playing against other 16 year olds vs Men.

[IronMaxipad]

are you all saying that this U17 Uruguayan team would have defeated Peru?

No. :lol only Phenomanul is saying that. tbh

[ElNono]

Costa Rica winning is good for us, now our future is in our hands (I don't know if that's a good thing though).

An no, we can draw and still qualify as one of the two best thirds, Italy style.

lmao Italy

lmao Argentina :depressed

The only way the future is in our hands is with a win.
If we tie, we depend on Bolivia not beating Colombia. If Bolivia beats Colombia, Colombia, Bolivia and Costa Rica all end up with 4 points and we're done.
If we tie, and Bolivia ties or loses, we're third with 3 points.
If we lose, we're done.

[MmP]

Fuck if argies are scared that C. Rica won tonight (even the press is as all well) then the situation is way bad.
As far as I know this Costa Rican team is U23, right? Argentina must win, is almost forced to it. If the first goal comes in the first 45 minutes, then they're saved.

[ALVAREZ6]

Fuck if argies are scared that C. Rica won tonight (even the press is as all well) then the situation is way bad.
As far as I know this Costa Rican team is U23, right? Argentina must win, is almost forced to it. If the first goal comes in the first 45 minutes, then they're saved.
lmao nothing about our past play makes me confident... i will LMFARGENTINA so hard on monday night if they manage to lose. It would be retarded. 0 wins in the easiest group with the best talent. Fun times.



I blame the cold weather.:lol Why couldn't this have been in some northern South American country? ..except Bolivia

[ElNono]

:lol Burdiso talking shit to Messi when last night's game was over: "Pendejo, la última jugada se corre, no te podés dejar anticipar la puta que te pario"

(notice that the Argentinean pendejo does not mean the same as the mexican. In Argentina the slang pendejo refers to 'kid'. I ended up learning the mexican meaning the hard way :lol)

lol Burdiso talking shit to anybody

[ElNono]

Messi should've told him: "Burdiso, stop giving the ball to Colombia" :lol

[SAtown]

Messi wishes he was Spanish right about now :cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

[ALVAREZ6]

:lol Burdiso talking shit to Messi when last night's game was over: "Pendejo, la última jugada se corre, no te podés dejar anticipar la puta que te pario"

(notice that the Argentinean pendejo does not mean the same as the mexican. In Argentina the slang pendejo refers to 'kid'. I ended up learning the mexican meaning the hard way :lol)

lol Burdiso talking shit to anybody

touche

lmao this post randomly inspired me to wiki Burdisso, and I learned this:


In 2009, Burdisso won his fourth consecutive Serie A title with Inter, making his personal title tally 19. This makes him the second-leading Argentine behind Alfredo di Stéfano, who has 21.

He must be the Derek Fisher of soccer. Those of you who've been following longer, did this clown consistently start for Inter? His current age and number of years spent in Inter lead me to believe he may have. His current playing does the opposite, however.


Anyway, it won't be long before Messi smokes both of their asses in championship count, which is a stupid thing to do in this sport anyway since many of the championships are very different and obviously a huge range in difficulty.

[Phenomanul]

No. :lol only Phenomanul is saying that. tbh

Actually, what I'm saying is that the best veterans on the U-22 + the best of the best of the U-17 would be a better team than just the U-22 team alone...

There is a bit of a distinction... there are plays I've seen Julio Gomez do that I've never seen before on the pitch... the spinning flick that he coupled with 'Ronaldinho's move' (the one foot mis-direction) comes to mind (I believe he did it in the first game this tourney)... I don't care if you're a 28 year old player... the play is so crafty, it would be hard to defend no matter the age....

Aside from talent... 3 of those aforementioned players also have way more game vision than anyone on the U-22 team (not named Dos Santos, obviously)...

[ElNono]

He must be the Derek Fisher of soccer.

lol vicariously living through Samuel, Lucio and Ivan Cordoba...

[TDMVPDPOY]

messi wishes xaviniesta was argy, so he wont get expose

[IronMaxipad]

Actually, what I'm saying is that the best veterans on the U-22 + the best of the best of the U-17 would be a better team than just the U-22 team alone...

There is a bit of a distinction... there are plays I've seen Julio Gomez do that I've never seen before on the pitch... the spinning flick that he coupled with 'Ronaldinho's move' (the one foot mis-direction) comes to mind (I believe he did it in the first game this tourney)... I don't care if you're a 28 year old player... the play is so crafty, it would be hard to defend no matter the age....

Aside from talent... 3 of those aforementioned players also have way more game vision than anyone on the U-22 team (not named Dos Santos, obviously)...

Yes i'm sure that Gomez would've torn Chile's A team appart..He makes Alexis Sanchez look like bofo tbh. :lol

Anyway, regardless of what "U17" players you bring in you are not going to beat Chile's A team with the tactics put in place by Tena. Bunker all game hoping for a draw.. even Gio complained about it after the game saying they were too defensive. Mexico didn't even make a sub until around the 80th minute..Seems like Tena didn't even want to try to win it.

There are capable players on the team including Davila (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8tgl9ohQf4) who is the best player from mexico's U20 world cup team and Orrantia who can make things happen on the wings. Neither of them played. and don't forget that the 8 new players that were brought in never had any friendlies to get acclimated to team, they only had 1 or 2 practices together and you could see the lack of chemistry. Oh and the fact that Mexico wasted their 5 over age players.. i mean Marquez lugo? peralta? seriously? Someone please send hookers to their room asap. The only decent referzo mexico brought was Luis Michel.. Gio is 22 so he doesn't even count as an over age player..

[MB20]

lol vicariously living through Samuel, Lucio and Ivan Cordoba...

I don´t agree. Burdisso is not a world class player ala those you mentioned, but he is serviceable.
Do you think all his coaches were/are stupid?
He´s been a pro for over 10 years. He deserves respect.
You are comparing him to some of the best defenders in the world, and he doesn´t belong in that group. But he is not a scrub either.
Was he lucky to play with some of the best? Yes.
But he started for every team he is been with.

[ElNono]

I don´t agree. Burdisso is not a world class player ala those you mentioned, but he is serviceable.
Do you think all his coaches were/are stupid?
He´s been a pro for over 10 years. He deserves respect.
You are comparing him to some of the best defenders in the world, and he doesn´t belong in that group. But he is not a scrub either.
Was he lucky to play with some of the best? Yes.
But he started for every team he is been with.

Just mentioning who he teamed up with while at Inter. It's a lot easier to look 'serviceable' when you play with guys like that. At the end of the day, he has no business being the starter and seemingly best defender on a national team like Argentina. If he has to be in that role, then our defense won't be anything but mediocre. The guy is 30 already, and he isn't anything but average.

[cheguevara]

damn Costa Rica vs. Argentina is gonna be a good game. Ticos wiped the floor with the bolivians.

I reallyl don't see Argentina as favorite this game. But their locality will probably help them as well as hopefully sitting Lavezzi and Tevez

[diego]

You Mean Caruso Lombardi? You're kidding right?, He already said that if he was the NT coach he would leave Messi on the bench, thanks but no.

i'm kidding to show how bad batista is, that even caruso is better.

as for sitting messi... I would have done it against colombia, after he twisted his ankle. one, to protect his ankle and his ego, and two, to give the team a chance to play without him. The pressure is really getting to messi, and by extension the rest of the team. It was the ideal situation to sit him. Now, too much is at stake, even though we are playing a u23 team from a tiny country, at home :bang

supposedly batista is going to play messi further back next game with di maria, higuain and aguero up front. wasnt everyone harping on after the WC that messi had to be a forward?

[diego]

Riquelme is an overrated, slow ass pile of shit, and has been for at least half a decade. He frustrated me a lot back in the 06 World Cup.

Riquelme is the best playmaker Argentina has had since Maradona retired. The team played much much better when he was in it, in 06 we were beating germany until he was subbed out, not to mention copa america finalists and olympic gold. You praise Pekerman and Bianchi, both love Riquelme since he was a kid, Pekerman in the u20 and u21 team and the 06 WC team, giving him the 10 and making him the star of his team, and Bianchi making him a star in Boca. He made the most assists in the 06 WC, and was the 2nd leading goalscorer of the 07 copa america (and the most for argentina). He won the libertadores in 07 as well, leading his team in goals and chosen MVP of the finals. He is done now because his body is shot, but to call him an overrated piece of shit shows you dont know jack. the teams biggest need is a playmaker, someone to control the pace and execute a freekick, ie Riquelme. HOPE, hope that pastore can play that role for us, otherwise we are screwed for at least a couple of years



This. Add a complete failure in Europe.


do all complete failures lead the spanish league in assists and lead a POS team to champions league semis? he wasnt a smash success in europe, but he was not a complete failure. complete failure is ariel ortega, but even as a failure in europe Ortega was a great player and if he were in his prime I'd start him over aguero/lavezzi/tevez/di maria in an instant.

[ElNono]

do all complete failures lead the spanish league in assists and lead a POS team to champions league semis? he wasnt a smash success in europe, but he was not a complete failure. complete failure is ariel ortega, but even as a failure in europe Ortega was a great player and if he were in his prime I'd start him over aguero/lavezzi/tevez/di maria in an instant.

Over and over he puts himself above the team, which is a failure. He always wanted special treatment. When he started demanding in Barça, they kicked him out. Villareal had to build a team around him to even sniff some degree of success. In Boca and the NT when he was on it, it was him or the highway.

He peaked in that intercontinental cup against Real Madrid, but he's always been very inconsistent when the bar was raised. In that World Cup Alvarez mentions, he flat out disappeared against Germany. In the last Copa America's final against Brazil, he was also a ghost. And that's his biggest problem. He just takes games off.

Ortega has always been a drunk. What's Roman excuse for the pecho frio?

[ElNono]

What this idiot Batista is doing wrong though is flat out playing without a classic 10. Pastore can fill that role. We've been really lacking in producing some talent there since Riquelme, Gallardo, Aimar, etc aged.

[cheguevara]

no worries. Batista just stated "I see Argentina in the finals"

Americ:lol = fucked

[ElNono]

Actually, it was Bielsa that said that.

[cheguevara]

"Me veo jugando la final. Tenemos equipo, jugadores, tengo mucha confianza", las palabras de Sergio Batista suenan fuerte.

[ElNono]

"Me veo jugando la final. Tenemos equipo, jugadores, tengo mucha confianza", las palabras de Sergio Batista suenan fuerte.

lol I just read that too... crofl

[hater]

goddam this is the same idiot that said after game 1:
"things are not going our way"

after game 2:
"we might need a # 9 out there..."

"game 3 vs. CR is our final"


:pctoss

[ElNono]

Somebody have Batista do a drug test ASAP

[ElNono]

This should be a good game... go URU

[ALVAREZ6]

messi wishes xaviniesta was argy, so he wont get expose
you're so pathetic

[Libri]

"Me veo jugando la final. Tenemos equipo, jugadores, tengo mucha confianza", las palabras de Sergio Batista suenan fuerte.

:lol

[diego]

In that World Cup Alvarez mentions, he flat out disappeared against Germany. In the last Copa America's final against Brazil, he was also a ghost. And that's his biggest problem. He just takes games off.

Ortega has always been a drunk. What's Roman excuse for the pecho frio?

the game against germany where he gave a perfect corner for the 1-0 lead (Ayala immediately runs to thank him for the goal), drew numerous fouls while controlling possession, until the coach took him out for a defensive mid (cambiasso) with 20 minutes to play and the team winning 1-0? if messi and tevez disappeared like that right now we'd have 6 points instead of 2.

the copa america 2007 final, where Riquelme was our best player for the tournament (we wont be getting to the final this year, btw), and brazil was lucky to get goal 5 minutes in that conditioned the rest of the match (btw, cambiasso lost the ball that led to the counter on that one). the one where riquelme hit a shot on the post 5 minutes after that goal, the one where brazil comitted 37 fouls (most of them near midcourt and on riquelme) and argentina had to send its central defenders to header for lack of a forward that could. the one where we had more shots, more possession, more corner kicks, more passes; the one where Messi, Tevez, Mascherano, and Cambiasso were also on the field, but without a man marker like Riquelme was...

if that is disappearing, then what is it that messi does for the NT? when Chile beat us for the first time in history, what was messi doing on the pitch? when bolivia beat us 6-1, where was messi, looking for an electric blanket? some heat rub? how about when we needed to beat Peru and Uruguay to get to the WC, what did he do then? did he make an assist, hit a post, involve himself in a goal?


oh thats right, when Argentina loses with messi as its leader, against teams it has never lost against or in ways that it never has before, it is the coaches fault, but when argentina loses to Germany or Brazil with Riquelme as the leader- even if the team was winning and lost after he was subbed out- its riquelme's fault...

and :lol at having more issue with riquelme being a diva than with ortega being a drunk. Ortega is three thousand times the fuck up Riquelme is. Saying Riquelme was a failure in europe was a ridiculous overstatement, whether you own up to it or not is your problem.

ps: in this post i'm not saying riquelme is better than messi. I'm merely pointing out the ridiculous double standard ElNono is using. just say you dont like Riquelme, no problem. but to call him a failure in europe and blame the 06 WC and 07 CA losses on him is bullshit, unless you are willing to hold Messi to the same standard.

pps: Cue a DAF86 meltdown for even suggesting that Messi can be compared to Riquelme.

[ALVAREZ6]

pps: Cue a DAF86 meltdown for even suggesting that Messi can be compared to Riquelme.

lol

well, to do so would be pretty ridiculous.

[ElNono]

lol Suarez

[ElNono]

the game against germany where he gave a perfect corner for the 1-0 lead (Ayala immediately runs to thank him for the goal), drew numerous fouls while controlling possession, until the coach took him out for a defensive mid (cambiasso) with 20 minutes to play and the team winning 1-0? if messi and tevez disappeared like that right now we'd have 6 points instead of 2.

the copa america 2007 final, where Riquelme was our best player for the tournament (we wont be getting to the final this year, btw), and brazil was lucky to get goal 5 minutes in that conditioned the rest of the match (btw, cambiasso lost the ball that led to the counter on that one). the one where riquelme hit a shot on the post 5 minutes after that goal, the one where brazil comitted 37 fouls (most of them near midcourt and on riquelme) and argentina had to send its central defenders to header for lack of a forward that could. the one where we had more shots, more possession, more corner kicks, more passes; the one where Messi, Tevez, Mascherano, and Cambiasso were also on the field, but without a man marker like Riquelme was...

if that is disappearing, then what is it that messi does for the NT? when Chile beat us for the first time in history, what was messi doing on the pitch? when bolivia beat us 6-1, where was messi, looking for an electric blanket? some heat rub? how about when we needed to beat Peru and Uruguay to get to the WC, what did he do then? did he make an assist, hit a post, involve himself in a goal?


oh thats right, when Argentina loses with messi as its leader, against teams it has never lost against or in ways that it never has before, it is the coaches fault, but when argentina loses to Germany or Brazil with Riquelme as the leader- even if the team was winning and lost after he was subbed out- its riquelme's fault...

and :lol at having more issue with riquelme being a diva than with ortega being a drunk. Ortega is three thousand times the fuck up Riquelme is. Saying Riquelme was a failure in europe was a ridiculous overstatement, whether you own up to it or not is your problem.

ps: in this post i'm not saying riquelme is better than messi. I'm merely pointing out the ridiculous double standard ElNono is using. just say you dont like Riquelme, no problem. but to call him a failure in europe and blame the 06 WC and 07 CA losses on him is bullshit, unless you are willing to hold Messi to the same standard.

pps: Cue a DAF86 meltdown for even suggesting that Messi can be compared to Riquelme.

I'm glad you got that off your chest... :lol

Messi never asked or acted like he wanted to be the leader of anything. And therein lies the difference. Riquelme always played in the national team (or anywhere else) like he was the owner of the ball. What he says goes, or GTFO. He talked shit about teammates, and he got coaches fired.

And I didn't say Roman didn't play well that World Cup or Copa America. The problem is that due to his diva attitude, and the fact that he only gives a shit when the team is built specifically around him, if he dissappears, the team is done. Which is exactly what happened both times. I'm on record saying Batista or whoever would be making the same mistake if they make Argentina Messi-dependent.

Last, I don't excuse Ortega for being a drunk that wasted his talent. He's a fuckup. Likewise, I don't excuse Riquelme for being a pecho frio diva. He is what he is, and if he would've shown the same talent without the stupid attitude, he probably would be 10x the player he is, and succeeded 10x than he did.

[ElNono]

And BTW, Messi *will* be held to the same standards in the long run, whatever happens. Even if he didn't ask to lead or if he's not a natural leader. He will be microobserved and everything he does will be dissected. It's the nature of this game.

[ElNono]

and lol @ having to bring Messi and Ortega to defend Riquelme's ass...

[ElNono]

btw, fun game so far..

[ElNono]

Chile deserving to be up after the 1st half

[ElNono]

Uruguay 1-0... totally undeserved too :lol

[ElNono]

1-1... very nice goal from Chile

[MB20]

and lol @ having to bring Messi and Ortega to defend Riquelme's ass...

As a leader, give me Riquelme. Diva or not he is/was a better leader of a team.
As a player, they are different. Messi is way better. But Riquelme at his peak was a damn good player.
The last 10 Argentina had.

About the 2006 WC:
Arg lost to Germany due to stupid subs by Pekerman.
Arg was up 1-0 he subs for........Julio Cruz. LMFAO.
Germany was being kicked out. It was a perfect time to put Messi in there for counterattack, and Pekerman had a brain fart.
And the germans were good, btw. Not trying to take anything away from them.

Anyway, I don't blame Messi. The whole team is playing like shit right now.
Honestly, I don't know how to fix such a mess, but I'll start by trying Pastore and Higuain as starters instead of Cambiasso and Lavezzi.

[MB20]

Uru-Chi was the least boring game so far in this Cup.

[ElNono]

As a leader, give me Riquelme. As a player, they are different. Messi is way better. But Riquelme at his peak was a damn good player.

Give me a team. Tired of depending on single players that always want theirs, and when the pressure mounts, don't deliver. We need a team of good players, not bunched up talent.

[ElNono]

Chile IMO is the better team so far... they're playing very well

[ElNono]

Mexico getting robbed by that linesman

[IronMaxipad]

:sleep:sleep

I missed the first 30 minutes but from what i did see it's been boring as fuck. and Marquez lugo is garbage. Out of all the forwards from the Mexican league i can't believe they picked that fucker. :lol

[ElNono]

lol @ this Brazilian newspaper after Messi was being booed by Argentina fans:

http://www.ole.com.ar/fuera-de-juego/Meia-Hora-hicieron-pasaporte-Messi_OLEIMA20110708_0099_3.jpg

:lmao

[ElNono]

Mexico > Peru so far... Peru just has no ideas going forward... reminds me of Argentina :lol

[IronMaxipad]

lol @ this Brazilian newspaper after Messi was being booed by Argentina fans:

http://www.ole.com.ar/fuera-de-juego/Meia-Hora-hicieron-pasaporte-Messi_OLEIMA20110708_0099_3.jpg

:lmao

:lol

[IronMaxipad]

Game over

[ElNono]

At least 3 offside calls against Mexico that shouldn't have been called.

[ElNono]

Game over

More like Cup Over, tbh

[IronMaxipad]

More like Cup Over, tbh

pretty much. :lol

LOL Mexico
LOL Gio
LOL Marquez Lugo
LOL Prostitutes
LOL baby gio
LOL Clenbuterol
















































LOL italy

[Libri]

I think that the only goals this Mexican team had was for a few players to showcase themselves, if possible, and to use the tournament as preparation for the pre-Olympic tournament.

[Phenomanul]

I fell asleep during the Mexico game... 1) Obviously I was tired... but still 2) the game was pretty boring.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Looking forward to the U-17 final and the U-20 tournament...

[ElNono]

LOL italy

[ElNono]

Rumored lineup for ARG vs Costa Rica:


Romero

Zabaleta Burdisso Milito Zanetti

Mascherano Banegas

Agüero Messi DiMaria

Higuain

[ogait]

^ A step in the right direction if that's true.

[ALVAREZ6]

Rumored lineup for ARG vs Costa Rica:


Romero

Zabaleta Burdisso Milito Zanetti

Mascherano Banegas

Agüero Messi DiMaria

Higuain

You gotta be shittin me.... it's about time. If the rumor is true, I'm quite surprised Batista is changing the formation, I thought the change would only be in the players, using Higuain and Aguero, finally.

[lefty]

Brazil :lmao

[ElNono]

lol Pato
lol Ganso
lol bird names
lol Neymar
lol Robinho

[DAF86]

The only way the future is in our hands is with a win.
If we tie, we depend on Bolivia not beating Colombia. If Bolivia beats Colombia, Colombia, Bolivia and Costa Rica all end up with 4 points and we're done.
If we tie, and Bolivia ties or loses, we're third with 3 points.
If we lose, we're done.

If Bolivia would have won, we could beat Costa Rica and still not qualify with a draw between Colombia and Bolivia. That's why I said the Costa Rica win benefited us.

[TDMVPDPOY]

If Bolivia would have won, we could beat Costa Rica and still not qualify with a draw between Colombia and Bolivia. That's why I said the Costa Rica win benefited us.

what happens if this doesnt come true?

lol argy

[lefty]

lol Pato
lol Ganso
lol bird names
lol Neymar
lol Robinho

And since Pato plays for the Serie A champs





LOL Italy

[ElNono]

If Bolivia would have won, we could beat Costa Rica and still not qualify with a draw between Colombia and Bolivia. That's why I said the Costa Rica win benefited us.

:tu

[ElNono]

If Bolivia would have won, we could beat Costa Rica and still not qualify with a draw between Colombia and Bolivia. That's why I said the Costa Rica win benefited us.

Wait, what do you mean not qualify? we would've been tied with Colombia and Bolivia with 5 points, same or better goal differential as Colombia... That's very likely we move on in that case.

[DAF86]

pps: Cue a DAF86 meltdown for even suggesting that Messi can be compared to Riquelme.

:lol I wasn't going to say anything but since you ask for me...

Riquelme is the most overrated Argie player of all time. I'm not saying he wasn't great, I loved him when he was an up and comer in Boca but then he got so overrated by fans that I started to grow some feelings against him, his little diva bitch attitude helps increase those feelings too.

This guy was voted the "best player after Maradona" in Argentina. No, no "the best Argentinian player after Maradona", the best period. Yeah, you heard right, people in Argentina people voted him ahead of Messi, Zidane, Ronaldo, Cruyff, Pele, etc. That's how overrated he is.

Riquelme nowadays can't play two games in a row without getting injured and there's still people that said that he is the best player in the World, yeah with a straight face and all.

The same fans that like to rag on Messi for never doing anything with the national team want Riquelme on the team like if he has ever done anything with Argentina's shirt. For big part of his prime Riquelme wasn't even considered to be on the NT squad. Then Pekerman got along and gave him a vital role. Where let's be honest he didn't shine, that's why Pekerman (one of Riquelme's biggest fans) subbed him out on the most important game of the tournament for Argentina.

And don't even get me started on his attitude issues, he had problems everywhere he went and even Basile (another Riquelme defender) said that he was a strange guy and denied Riquelme's comments about them beign friends.

In conclusion, Riquelme was a very good player but nowhere close to what some fans in Argentina think of him

P/S: Ortega >> Riquelme on the NT.

[DAF86]

Wait, what do you mean not qualify? we would've been tied with Colombia and Bolivia with 5 points, same or better goal differential as Colombia... That's very likely we move on in that case.

I should have phrase it better: "we could have not qualify with a win" whereas now we now that no matter what happens in the other game we qualify with a win.

[DAF86]

what happens if this doesnt come true?

lol argy

If that doesn't come true we would still be better than Australia.

[ElNono]

I should have phrase it better: "we could have not qualify with a win" whereas now we now that no matter what happens in the other game we qualify with a win.

:tu :tu

[IronMaxipad]

If that doesn't come true we would still be better than Australia.

http://i.imgur.com/Xew9f.gif

[IronMaxipad]

Larissa Riquelme who?

http://wp.clicrbs.com.br/clubedabolinha/files/2011/07/02loira.jpg
http://wp.clicrbs.com.br/clubedabolinha/files/2011/07/01loira.jpg
http://wp.clicrbs.com.br/clubedabolinha/files/2011/07/03loira.jpg
http://wp.clicrbs.com.br/clubedabolinha/files/2011/07/04loira.jpg

[DAF86]

WTF? Where's the pic that goes right after that last one you posted IM?

[ElNono]

Bitches just can't help themselves in front of a camera, uh?

[resistanze]

Who's this bitch??

[TDMVPDPOY]

attention whore, wasnt there one of a brunette from the recent wc....from same country also

[TDMVPDPOY]

If that doesn't come true we would still be better than Australia.

LOL comparing argy team with god on the team to the aussie team, lmao overrated player on underachieving choke ass team...

[ElNono]

^ A step in the right direction if that's true.


You gotta be shittin me.... it's about time. If the rumor is true, I'm quite surprised Batista is changing the formation, I thought the change would only be in the players, using Higuain and Aguero, finally.

tbh, this is still a FAIL in the long run, IMO. It probably be enough to beat Costa Rica and an improvement over playing 3 defensive midfielders, but as seen in the World Cup, Messi isn't a playmaker. That boat has already sailed.

There's no magic wand or single player that's going to fix everything, but Messi should play upfront, and we've a fairly talented playmaker in Pastore on the bench.

If I had to modify that lineup from midfield and up, I would go with this:


Romero

Zabaleta Burdisso Milito Zanetti

Mascherano (Gago or Cambiasso)

Messi Pastore DiMaria

Higuain

Another rumor today says Banega will be dropped for Gago...

[ElNono]

Looks like Colombia is going to make quick work of Bolivia

[DAF86]

I think Argentina will win the tournament


http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/5/19/129187832833803038.jpg

[lefty]

man those latinas don't need boob jobs :wow

[ALVAREZ6]

According to Sam Kelly of ESPN Soccernet, this is the lineup for tonight:


Di Maria - Higuain - Tevez
Messi
Mascherano - Banega
Zabaleta - Burdisso - Milito - Zanetti

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/933430/unexpected-twists-at-the-copa-america?cc=5901

...assuming the back 4 are the same as last game.

[ElNono]

Batista confirmed the lineup yesterday:



Romero
Zabaleta Burdisso Milito Zanetti
Gago Mascherano
Agüero Messi DiMaría
Higuaín.

[urunobili]

Argentina will trash CR with an Higuain Hat trick, Messi jewel and Aguero. 5-0 me says

[ALVAREZ6]

Batista confirmed the lineup yesterday:



Romero
Zabaleta Burdisso Milito Zanetti
Gago Mascherano
Agüero Messi DiMaría
Higuaín.


ok, that's a lot better. The formation makes more sense and good to see Aguero starting.

[DAF86]

man those latinas don't need boob jobs :wow

I think those are fake, tbh.

[ElNono]

And this is why Tevez is a bitch and shouldn't have been called:

"It's ok that I was benched"... "I'm a number 9, if I play there and I get criticized, then it's all right. But playing number 11 I feel lost, it's hard... :cry :cry :cry"

He's right in that he's a striker. But you gotta tell this to Batista, not the media.

[Spurologist]

Messi for the hat trick to silence the doubters???

[ALVAREZ6]

di maria is such a faggot

[MB20]

Someone needs to shoot the ball from midrange.

[MB20]

Salta Higuain la c....de tu madre!!!

[MB20]

I miss Batistuta so much

[ALVAREZ6]

LMFArgentina are we gonna score........jesus christ, how many opportunities do they need.

[ALVAREZ6]

Messi sets everyone's ass up and yet he's the one that get's all the blame from the country of morons...


:cry :cry but but go back to Spain :cry :cry

[MB20]

Finally...

[ALVAREZ6]

bout time.

[MB20]

Gago was the best player of the 1st half

[DAF86]

Agreed, Gago has been a pleasent surprise. Maybe not playing much this season has him with at full energy.

[MB20]

I hope guys shoot more in the 2nd half.
With so many defenders packing the box, you HAVE to shoot from outside and not dribble the ball through half the CR team.

[ElNono]

lol target practice
lol Batista ready to sub everyone for the triple-5
lol if this ends 1-1 Batista should be shot

[ElNono]

Does CR qualifies with this result?

[ElNono]

nvm, they would need Brazil and Uruguay to lose, IIRC

[ElNono]

I want Pastore for DiMaria... Pastore can shoot from outside

[ALVAREZ6]

game over

[MB20]

This game has been a step in the right direction so far.
But Arg needs to get better.
Don't forget we are playing CR. One of the defenders is a 18 years old amateur player.

[ALVAREZ6]

Of course the win is with a grain of salt.

and LMAO wow that was a penalty, most blatant non-call I've seen in a while, just as blatant as the women's WC when that one defending player held the ball for a few seconds and play resumed. Messi delivered a great ball for Higuain, who got held by both arms on the shirt and shoulders, was dragging the CR defender for a few feet until the keeper reached it first. That shit was laughable.

[ALVAREZ6]

Messi is assisting everyone his passing is money.

[MB20]

Garbage time

[ElNono]

lmao at CR almost scoring on us on that corner kick... Milito and Burdiso will be our undoing... hilarious too that the guys that scored were both players Batista didn't want to start the first two games. And lol @ playing Biglia to restore a triple-5 against CR.

[ElNono]

lol Higuain
lol Mourinho
lol Real Madrid

[MaNuMaNiAc]

lol "Messi isn't a playmaker"

[ElNono]

Ehh...I still think Messi isn't a playmaker... :hat

Don't be fooling yourself, we played Costa Rica's U-21... he ain't getting that much space against other teams... which is somewhat the sad part: If Messi didn't have as much room I don't know that we win tonight.

[ElNono]

Gago and DiMaria made a huge difference in the middle though... instead of passing the ball within Burdiso, Milito and Mascherano, we moved the ball with Gago, Di Maria and Messi...

Oh, and LOL Tevez... GTFO

[ElNono]

BTW, who's making the Agüero = Boss thread? :lol

[DAF86]

lol Higuain
lol Mourinho
lol Real Madrid

Higuain missed a bunch of easy looks today but don't understate the fact that he got those looks. He's always playing in the line of the last defender, sprinting to get those looks. If Tevez would have played instead of him, he would have gone down to the miedfield instead of staying in the box, the presence of a true centerforward helped create all those chances. Don't overlook the art of "beign there".

[ElNono]

Comment from here (http://www.canchallena.com/1388611-una-noche-a-pedir-de-la-argentina-goleo-gano-confianza-y-esta-en-cuartos-de-final#lectores):

"Mañana empieza en Ezeiza la maestria como jugar al futbol de delantero....las materias incluyen: como pararse en la cancha, como moverse para buscar espacios, como tocar al pie a un compañero; año dos, como usar la cintura para enganchar, como pegarle con las dos piernas, como definir al arco, la clase de etica incluye ser generoso con un compañero, y no festejar solo. Dirige la catedra, Sergio AGUERO. Ya se inscribieron Tevez, Lavezzi e Higuian..."

:lol

[DAF86]

Ehh...I still think Messi isn't a playmaker... :hat

Don't be fooling yourself, we played Costa Rica's U-21... he ain't getting that much space against other teams... which is somewhat the sad part: If Messi didn't have as much room I don't know that we win tonight.

Messi has been the best "assister" in the Spanish league this season and he always makes at least two or three of those passes where he leaves a man wide open. He's one of the best playmakers in the world.

[ElNono]

Higuain missed a bunch of easy looks today but don't understate the fact that he got those looks. He's always playing in the line of the last defender, sprinting to get those looks. If Tevez would have played instead of him, he would have gone down to the miedfield instead staying in the box, the presence of a true centerforward helped create all those chances. Don't overlook the art of "beign there".

tbh, I dropped that one for lefty :lol

I loved having Higuain there... even if he misses, you know he'll eventually make them, plus he puts a lot of pressure on the defenders to follow him, so they can't bunch up on the guys in the middle. He needs to stay a starter.

[ElNono]

Messi has been the best "assister" in the Spanish league this season and he always makes at least two or three of those passes where he leaves a man wide open. He's one of the best playmakers in the world.

I call a playmaker a true number 10. Like Beto Alonso, Aimar, Bochini, Riquelme... guys that can come from the middle and organize the offense.

Messi is a forward, he's just very unselfish, which is great. I'm not complaining, I just think he's more of the style of Franchescoli or Del Piero that can finish just as easily as they can assist.

[DAF86]

I'm very relieved right now. I'll enjoy watching Brazil play for their lives with the tranquility of beign in the second round :lol

[ElNono]

I know... I sound like el Tano Pasman, but I can actually breathe now... that first half I was crawling through the ceiling with all the misses :lol

[DAF86]

I call a playmaker a true number 10. Like Beto Alonso, Aimar, Bochini, Riquelme... guys that can come from the middle and organize the offense.

Messi is a forward, he's just very unselfish, which is great. I'm not complaining, I just think he's more of the style of Franchescoli or Del Piero that can finish just as easily as they can assist.

People say that Messi isn't a playmaker 'cause he plays better as a forward but he's so talented that he can play anywhere (offensively), let me ask you something: what did those guys you named make better than Messi (other than set pieces)?

have you ever seen Riquelme, Aimar and all those guys get the ball in miedfield, get past two or three defenders, make a "through" pass and create plays as often as Messi does?

Messi as a playmaker is better than most "playmakers", the thing is he plays better as a forward but seeing as we have forwards to spare and lack "playmakers" I'm OK with playing Lio in that role.

[ElNono]

People say that Messi isn't a playmaker 'cause he plays better as a forward but he's so talented that he can play anywhere (offensively), let me ask you something what did those guys make better than Messi (other than set pieces)?

have you ever seen Riquelme, Aimar and all those guys get the ball in miedfield, get past two or three defenders, make a "through" pass and create plays as often as Messi does?

Messi as a playmaker is better than most "playmakers", the thing is he plays better as a forward but seeing as we have forwards to spare and lack "playmakers" I'm OK with playing Lio in that role.

The problem I have with him in that role is twofold:
1) He has to start from behind, and if they throw two or three guys at him and slow him down, our offense becomes completely stale. See: the game against Colombia.
2) I rather he get the ball closer to the penalty area, and make the passes there. Completely agree he's a better forward. We have guys to move the ball there. Gago has shown today he can do it. Di Maria, even though he's a mess with the ball, can do it too. He has a second gear. I think Pastore is another guy that you can play there and he can be a great associate for Messi in that part of the pitch.

Basically, it's such a huge role that I don't want everything on Messi alone creating the opportunities. I think he'll make the right pass anyways if he gets the ball more upfront.

[ElNono]

Oh, and thanks to the ref for that yellow card on Lavezzi in the last minute... I think he's suspended for a game now :tu

[ElNono]

Wow, Agüero with 3 goals is the current top goalscorer in this cup. That's how sad this cup has been right there.

[ElNono]

So, who do you want? Chile, Uruguay or Peru?

I'll take Peru in a heartbeat, tbh

[ALVAREZ6]

Wow, Agüero with 3 goals is the current top goalscorer in this cup. That's how sad this cup has been right there.

Ehh, not really. 3 goals in 3 games isn't too bad. Not even all teams have played 3 games yet, right?

[ElNono]

Ehh, not really. 3 goals in 3 games isn't too bad. Not even all teams have played 3 games yet, right?

lol bench player
lol the guy on your sig

:lol

[ALVAREZ6]

lol bench player
lol the guy on your sig

:lol

lol tevez
lol should i change it to kun
lol or would that jinx him

[ElNono]

lol with that defense it doesn't matter

:lol

[DAF86]

Ehh, not really. 3 goals in 3 games isn't too bad. Not even all teams have played 3 games yet, right?

Yeah, a goal per match is great for a player.


So, who do you want? Chile, Uruguay or Peru?

I'll take Peru in a heartbeat, tbh

No brainer. Out of Chile and Uruguay I prefer Uruguay (this may come to bite me in the ass).

[ElNono]

If it's between Chile and Uruguay, I'll take Chile. Event though Chile has played great so far, Uruguay has much more rough defenders, including a very tough midfield. It's gonna be a difficult game whoever it is.

[DAF86]

White socks > Black socks

And on a more serious note, I like the players that Batista put on the field but I don't like the way he placed them.

He played:


Romero

Zabaleta Burdisso Milito Zanetti

Gago Mascherano Di Maria

Messi Higuain Aguero

I would have played:


Romero

Zabaleta Burdisso Milito Zanetti

Gago Mascherano

Aguero Messi Di maria

Higuain

It's a waste to have Messi on a side, yeah I know that Messi then moves wherever he wants but that leaves a hole on the right wing of Argentina.

And Di Maria's greatest asset is his speed, he needs to play on the wing to take advantage of that.

[hater]

Oh, and thanks to the ref for that yellow card on Lavezzi in the last minute... I think he's suspended for a game now :tu

that's actually a good thing for argentina

[cheguevara]

:lol Argentina

losing to Chile would be like Spurs losing to the Mavs
losing to Peru would be like Spurs losing to the Grizzlies

all they can do is hope to keep some self respect and lose to Uruguay :lmao

[ElNono]

lol self respect
lol cheguevara

:lol

[urunobili]

Damn I want to avoid ARG come on Mexico draw this game now!

[DAF86]

I'm still hoping that Uruguay keeps it close 'till the end of the game and then lets Mexico draw.

[Libri]

Mexico's passes have been so crappy.

[Libri]

Ponce falls lol

[ElNono]

lol Mexico
lol Gio
lol only team to lose every game
lol waste of plane tickets

[urunobili]

Forlan totally Jinxed after the world cup... he can't miss that opportunity!

[ElNono]

Forlan totally Jinxed after the world cup... he can't miss that opportunity!

Higuain says hello...

[Sense]

lol Mexico
lol Gio
lol only team to lose every game
lol waste of plane tickets

Not sure if serious...

[ElNono]

Not sure if serious...

lol Costa Rica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexico

:lol

[ElNono]

lol Rodriguez is yelling at the ref before even hitting the ground :lol

[ElNono]

tbh, not to talk shit, but now that Gio is gone Mexico is player better :lol

[ElNono]

:lol Forlan

[ElNono]

:lol he's gonna score 8 against ARG

[Libri]

lol Forlan

[Libri]

lol Suarez

[ElNono]

:lol pretending they want to score a 2nd goal when they're going to let Mexico score in the 89th minute

[lefty]

One of my best friends is Uruguayan

He is so fucking nervous right now :lol

[DAF86]

Vamos Mexico cabrones!

[ElNono]

:lol offside

[DAF86]

Pinche lineman.

[ElNono]

:lol linesman is miles away

[Libri]

Forlan laughing at how bad he played.

[lefty]

Llllloool

Wtf shot

[ElNono]

Arg:lolntin:lol = F:lolcked

[Bill_Brasky]

lmao mexico

tbh some dumb mexican cunt spams my FB every time they win, can't wait to laugh in that fat slut's face

[ElNono]

Ur:lolg:lolay = F:lolcked

[DAF86]

crofl Milito trying to defend Forlan, Suarez and Cavani.

[urunobili]

Higuain says hello...

He didn't win the golden boot...

[urunobili]

Good match. It could have easily finished 3-0. Two posts, Folan missing easy chips.

I didn't want to face Argentina but so be it...

[ElNono]

Good match. It could have easily finished 3-0. Two posts, Folan missing easy chips.

I didn't want to face Argentina but so be it...

:ihit

[urunobili]

crofl Milito trying to defend Forlan, Suarez and Cavani.

Cavani is still trying to rehab from a knee sprain... if only La joya was given more minutes... :stirpot:

[ElNono]

lol Suarez running circles around Burdiso... FML

[urunobili]

lol Suarez running circles around Burdiso... FML

Argentina's D hasn't had any debacles thus far, I don't get where the hate is coming from...

[it's me]

Lol Forlan, Suarez and any attacker Uruguay may have are a thousand times better than the whole Bolivian and Costa Rican offense........ Falcao is the only quality forward Argentina has faced so far....... Arg defense is a disgrace ...... sorry Argentina=fucked.

[it's me]

....and it will be all Messi's fault LOL ..............now even Milito will call him "pendejo"