Spurs fielding trade calls for Parker

[TJastal]

If you got Casspi and 7, you'd have a ~ 12million dollar trade exception, and then could use that to get another player. It'd have to be a salary dump of sorts, but a trade would involve that trade exception aswell.

yummy

Casspi
7th pick
trade exception to fill other gaps
open up spot for G. Hill in starting lineup

Please, god let this happen.....I promise I'll be good from now on.

[joshdaboss]

:rolleyes

Casspi just turned 23 today. There's no way he can be worse than 31 year old Jefferson. He's 2 inches taller @ 6'9", younger, more athletic and always hustles and rebounds the basketball. He'd be absolutely perfect starting next to Manu & George Hill in the starting lineup.

Jefferson is twice... three times the player Casspi is. It's ridiculous to even compare them. And he isn't even close to as athletic as Jefferson is. Give me some of what you're smoking. As far as hustling, I can get some players from the YMCA who always hustle, talent wins... Casspi lacks it.

[DesignatedT]

and then maybe we can somehow bring back Roger Mason and Ian Mahinmi to fill the gaps....

[MRBLAIREB.]

We have to get a BIG out of any deal RIGHT??????

[DesignatedT]

If Tony goes you better

1. Get rid of RJ as well
2. Get a PG in return
3. Get Big.

If all of those 3 don't happen then I would rather keep him.

[joshdaboss]

I don't really see the need for a big man. Sure, it would be great to get a 20/10 guy, but guess what? Those guys aren't available. The best big guy that's available is Oden and who knows what the hell is going on with that. Duncan/Splitter/Blair/Bonner rotation is fine. They need a perimeter stopper. Hill can't be guarding guys like Durant when he's 6'2".

[Spursfanfromafar]

Parker for Casspi + 7th pick would rank one of the worst deals ever made in NBA history.. equalling or surpassing the Gasol to LA deal for peanuts and chump change. Only idiots will endorse such a moronic deal.

[DesignatedT]

Duncan/Splitter/Blair/Bonner rotation is fine.

no it's not.

[024]

getting casspi would be pretty nice. his potential is being squandered on the kings and casspi could benefit from some veteran influence.

[joshdaboss]

no it's not.

It was good for the best record in the West.

[TJastal]

Sweet... the Spurs could get a has-been like Baron Davis.

Jordan seems to be looking to dump as many contracts as possible. I'd take T squared + Pryzbilla (combined 13m in salary) if it meant never seeing Matt Bonner & Dejuan Blair play another minute together (or apart).

[MRBLAIREB.]

include Jason thomson draft Montiejunas looks better

[DesignatedT]

It was good for the best record in the West.

and a first round exit...

[joshdaboss]

and a first round exit...

Could have sworn I didn't see Manu suit up for game 1...

[lurker23]

Parker for Casspi + 7th pick would rank one of the worst deals ever made in NBA history.. equalling or surpassing the Gasol to LA deal for peanuts and chump change. Only idiots will endorse such a moronic deal.

I agree...if the Spurs make a trade, they'll get a lot more than that.

One way or another, there's a lot more going on here than we're seeing.

[TJastal]

Parker for Casspi + 7th pick would rank one of the worst deals ever made in NBA history.. equalling or surpassing the Gasol to LA deal for peanuts and chump change. Only idiots will endorse such a moronic deal.

Oh gimme a f'ing break. Even if you don't view this is a good move for the present (which I would question) this would absolutely be a great move for the future.

[joshdaboss]

It wouldn't surprise me 1 bit to see Holt's cheap ass abandon ship right now and take 10 cents on the dollar. If he does, he's a spineless good-for-nothing fucking pussy.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I agree...if the Spurs make a trade, they'll get a lot more than that.

One way or another, there's a lot more going on here than we're seeing.

That is certainly the hope. If the Spurs have decided to give up Parker, they better get a good shot blocking PF or a good defensive SF with decent scoring ability in return AND hopefully manage to dump Richard Jefferson as well.

If the idea is merely to get a chance to draft high, then I think it will be a major major blunder.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Oh gimme a f'ing break. Even if you don't view this is a good move for the present (which I would question) this would absolutely be a great move for the future.

yeah, right. Dumping the youngest member of your experienced and winningest three-core and getting a 11.76 PER SF whose only USP is that he is a rootable and upstanding representative of a religious community ..is what is a great move for the future. Nonsense.

[TJastal]

I don't really see the need for a big man. Sure, it would be great to get a 20/10 guy, but guess what? Those guys aren't available. The best big guy that's available is Oden and who knows what the hell is going on with that. Duncan/Splitter/Blair/Bonner rotation is fine. They need a perimeter stopper. Hill can't be guarding guys like Durant when he's 6'2".

So why are you bitching about getting Casspi who @ 6'9" would be great at defending those big forwards?

[TJastal]

yeah, right. Dumping the youngest member of your experienced and winningest three-core and getting a 11.76 PER SF whose only USP is that he is a rootable and upstanding representative of a religious community ..is what is a great move for the future. Nonsense.

What are you babbling about?

[Ditty]

That 7th pick doesn't make me happy, the only player worth taking after Williams, and Irving is Kanter. If we could use it to get the 9th and 19th pick from Charlotte, so they know they can for sure get Leonard, and Spurs use the 9th pick to get a big man(Bisymbo or who of the Morris twins), and 19th on a Small Forward(Tobias Harris or Chris Singleton).Maybe throw in George Hill or Blair to move up if we would acquire the 19th pick?

I would prefer the Spurs get Thompson also and use the trade exception on Devin Harris, and use the Summer to decide what to do with RJ, or make him back up Omri.

[joshdaboss]

So why are you bitching about getting Casspi who @ 6'9" would be great at defending those big forwards?

Because he's not a great defender. He's not a great anything. He's merely a serviceable NBA player. We already have a good NBA player starting at SF, we don't need serviceable.

[TJastal]

Jefferson is twice... three times the player Casspi is. It's ridiculous to even compare them. And he isn't even close to as athletic as Jefferson is. Give me some of what you're smoking. As far as hustling, I can get some players from the YMCA who always hustle, talent wins... Casspi lacks it.

LMAO

You're takes continue to get worse each week. Next you'll be telling us Matt Bonner is better than Dirk Nowitszki.

:lmao

[TJastal]

Because he's not a great defender. He's not a great anything. He's merely a serviceable NBA player. We already have a good NBA player starting at SF, we don't need serviceable.

He just finished his 2nd year in the league, numbnutz. He has plenty of room to grow. He'd be perfect to start building a foundation with, along with Hill & Tiago.

[Spursfanfromafar]

What are you babbling about?

The fact that you don't have any clue about Casspi or his credentials. And yet you want to dump Tony Parker. Take off that pipe and go to sleep.

[joshdaboss]

LMAO

You're takes continue to get worse each week. Next you'll be telling us Matt Bonner is better than Dirk Nowitszki.

:lmao

Show me any number that would back up the claim that Casspi is a better NBA player than Richard Jefferson.

I suspect I'll be waiting for a very long time.

[joshdaboss]

He just finished his 2nd year in the league, numbnutz. He has plenty of room to grow. He'd be perfect to start building a foundation with, along with Hill & Tiago.

Fuck that, this team is in the tank after Tim is gone. For a long ass time.

[TJastal]

Show me any number that would back up the claim that Casspi is a better NBA player than Richard Jefferson.

Casspi is already equal to or > than Jefferson in only his 2nd year. He's a hustle player who rebounds & actually plays defense. And probably most importantly can take and hit BIG shots. When's the last time we saw Jefferson step up and hit a big shot? I can't even recall one outside of that uncontested free throw line jumper he hit against the thunder.

[joshdaboss]

Casspi is already equal to or > than Jefferson in only his 2nd year. He's a hustle player who rebounds & actually plays defense. And probably most importantly can take and hit BIG shots. When's the last time we saw Jefferson step up and hit a big shot? I can't even recall one outside of that uncontested free throw line jumper he hit against the thunder.

So wait... he's already equal to him or better, because you say so... :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

As I said, would you like to show me a number, ANY number, that would say he is a better NBA player than Richard Jefferson? Of course, you'll never be able to, because those numbers do not exist.

I mean, he's on a terrible team and he still can't put up numbers... in meaningless games, no less.

[TJastal]

So wait... he's already equal to him or better, because you say so... :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

As I said, would you like to show me a number, ANY number, that would say he is a better NBA player than Richard Jefferson? Of course, you'll never be able to, because those numbers do not exist.

I mean, he's on a terrible team and he still can't put up numbers... in meaningless games, no less.

Casspi already outrebounds Jefferson by a good margin. Which would be a welcome addition to the starting lineup.

Casspi reminds me of Peja Stojakovic.. same height, skillset. Great shooting touch. If you look at Peja's 2nd year numbers they almost mirror Casspi's EXACTLY. In his 3rd season with starter minutes Peja's numbers jumped to 20ppg/6rpg. With the spurs, I could see Casspi quickly becoming a 20/7 type player with the right minutes.

[buttsR4rebounding]

If the option is trading Parker for the 5th or 7th pick or trading Hill for the 10th through 14 I think you have to trade Hill. Parker is worth a hell of a lot more than 5 or 6 spots over Hill. Especially if you can pick up someone like Chris Singleton and get the lock down SF everyone has been clamoring for since Bruce left...especially with our glut of 2's.

[TJastal]

If the option is trading Parker for the 5th or 7th pick or trading Hill for the 10th through 14 I think you have to trade Hill. Parker is worth a hell of a lot more than 5 or 6 spots over Hill. Especially if you can pick up someone like Chris Singleton and get the lock down SF everyone has been clamoring for since Bruce left...especially with our glut of 2's.

Unless I missed something the option being discussed is 7th pick + Casspi for Parker.

Only mention of Hill were rumors of some teams offering a late 1st round pick.

[mathbzh]

I would trade Hill for a shot at a 8-15 pick in this years draft though. Roll with the Big 3, Neal, Splitter, Hill (if not traded) and replace everyone else on the damn roster and take another shot at a title....

This is the point IMO. There is no other shot at a title. It's over.
With the big 3 we could still have a couple of exciting seasons (like this one) but nothing more.

No lottery pick since 1997 is a very long time. I have nothing against being creative with late first round picks and cheap veteran contract but its not likely to be enough to win a title. And we don't have the assets or money to bring a big fish here.

Maybe it's time to save money, stack young talent, go into the lottery... and hope we will draft the next Duncan/Robinson soon.

I don't like that and would prefer we go with the big 3 until Duncan retires before we try to rebuild. But that is not my money on the table.

[lurker23]

Unless I missed something the option being discussed is 7th pick + Casspi for Parker.

Only mention of Hill were rumors of some teams offering a late 1st round pick.

Re-read the very first post of the thread.

[Spurtacus]

Did Duncan tell the Spurs FO he's retiring this summer? Because trading Parker for Casspi and 7th pick is going rebuild mode. There has to be more to this deal.

[TJastal]

Did Duncan tell the Spurs FO he's retiring this summer? Because trading Parker for Casspi and 7th pick is going rebuild mode. There has to be more to this deal.

It's more like rebuilding on the fly, but the spurs will still have a formidable team, perhaps even better if Hill can man the PG position and a competent backup is found either through the draft or free agency.

Making moves like this is truly the best avenue to go IMO in order to start laying the groundwork for the future yet still be competitive in the final few years of Manu & TD's careers.

[TJastal]

Re-read the very first post of the thread.

OP article just mentions the spurs want to secure a high draft pick "in a trade" with a few lottery teams.

Which given TP's salary of 14m+ means they would be getting back a player along with the pick (or even 2 players).

I'm no salary cap guru but trading a 14m salary for a pick by itself isn't going to happen most likely.

[NASpurs]

tbh, what's really gonna suck is when the Spurs don't do shit on Thursday and everybody in here will be :pctoss

The Pop Troll has something to say to that

http://i.imgur.com/SZ6ml.png

[TJastal]

We have to get a BIG out of any deal RIGHT??????

If the spurs get a 5-6m trade exception from the Casspi + 7th pick they can use that to sign a big (Dalambert for instance).

Barring that, they'll still have the mid level exception to use as well. I just pray that Pop has finally had enough of Boner & Blair but that's probably just wishful thinking... :depressed

[lurker23]

OP article just mentions the spurs want to secure a high draft pick "in a trade" with a few lottery teams.

Which given TP's salary of 14m+ means they would be getting back a player along with the pick (or even 2 players).

I'm no salary cap guru but trading a 14m salary for a pick by itself isn't going to happen most likely.

I was pointing out the source of the "Hill for a lottery pick" talk.

"League sources said Hill also has drawn trade interest from teams willing to give the Spurs a pick near the back end of the lottery."

[Bruno]

If you trade Parker for a package centered around a draft pick, it's a rebuilding move. And if Spurs start a rebuilding process, you had to do it all the way. A successful rebuilding process almost ever go through years of high lottery picks and a lot of cap space.

A Parker for pick trade should be followed by Duncan retiring and Ginobili traded for assets. Cap space should be created by trading Bonner and using a possible future amnesty rule on RJ. Finally, Pop should be replaced by a young coach. If Spurs don't do that, trading Parker for pick would be a bad move.

[Spurtacus]

ESPN Insider


A few weeks ago Spurs point guard Tony Parker told the French media that he didn't think the team could contend for a title with the current team.

ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher wrote during one of his chats: "I'd say he's the most likely to be moved. It isn't just his comments the other day. Parker has gone off the reservation a bit in how the Spurs like their players to conduct themselves. A trust has been broken and that's very big in the San Antonio culture."

Parker later returned to San Antonio and said his comments were taken the wrong way and that he wouldn't have re-signed with them if he didn't think they could still contend for a title.

As it turns out, Bucher was right. Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports the Spurs want to move into the top 10 of the 2011 draft and have offered Parker to Toronto (No. 5) and Sacramento (No. 7).

According to Wojnarowski, the Kings coaches would prefer a veteran, like Parker, over the draft pick and that if a trade is made forward Omri Casspi would probably be part of the package for Parker.

Parker has three years remaining on his contract and each season he'll make $12.5 million, although the last one is only partially guaranteed for a small amount.

George Hill would become the Spurs starting point guard if Parker is traded.

This is starting to sound more probable. I imagine it will be a draft day trade if the Spurs targeted player is still on the board when the Kings pick.

[TJastal]

If you trade Parker for a package centered around a draft pick, it's a rebuilding move. And if Spurs start a rebuilding process, you had to do it all the way. A successful rebuilding process almost ever go through years of high lottery picks and a lot of cap space.

A Parker for pick trade should be followed by Duncan retiring and Ginobili traded for assets. Cap space should be created by trading Bonner and using a possible future amnesty rule on RJ. Finally, Pop should be replaced by a young coach. If Spurs don't do that, trading Parker for pick would be a bad move.

No. Trading Parker does not mean the spurs must start rebuilding "all the way" and just totally blow up the team.

Duncan I can gaurantee you is not set to retire just yet and Manu still has another year or two of high level basketball in him.

And a guy like Casspi could be a key piece of a contending team. Next years spurs could become this year's mavs with a few carefully executed moves. The window is not fully shut yet. Look at what the aging mavs accomplished this year with Kidd @ 38, Dirk @ 32 (going on 38), Marion @ 33 & Terry @ 34 They even did it short one of their key "younger" players (Butler) making their run all the more impressive.

The spurs won 60+ games and if Duncan would have had some interior help like Dirk got from Chandler things could have easily been a different outcome.

If there's even only just a 2% chance to still contend and win a title you go for it IMO. Rebuild on the fly until that chance < 0 then you start blowing things apart.

[mudyez]

we all agree, that the spurs are not contending for a title as of right now...and I dont see us making a trade, that will get us there right now. not with miami and others in the east and okc in the west beeing the hurdles.

so the logical step is to rebuild and with the right choices we have the perfect construct to do just that.

there allready is some nice talent in neal, hill, blair and splitter and who is better to menthor them than Tim (insideplayers) and Manu (outsideplayers)? make them the captains to lead by example, take a step back when they need to and take over in crunchtime if needed!
if we coult do so, it should be easy to get young talents to join...e.g. a situation like with rubio probably wouldn't occur, just coz its such a perfect enviroment to go to in SA.

in order to bet there, a Parker (+RJ...and hell even Bonner) trade for some young talent would be the only step we have to take! do it! I dont care about not getting out of the first round or not even making the playoffs, as long as we have a construct and wont pedal in and out beeing left in the middle of nothing.

[Bruno]

Another effect of this rumor is that it raises Hill trade value. Spurs being ready to trade their 3 times all star, 3 times NBA champion, NBA final MVP and starter for 10 years to make Hill a starter is a huge trade value boost for Hill.

I won't go as far as saying that Spurs have made up trade rumors around Parker to raise Hill's trade value but Spurs could receive for Hill better offers they have received in the past.

[TJastal]

we all agree, that the spurs are not contending for a title as of right now...and I dont see us making a trade, that will get us there right now. not with miami and others in the east and okc in the west beeing the hurdles.

so the logical step is to rebuild and with the right choices we have the perfect construct to do just that.

there allready is some nice talent in neal, hill, blair and splitter and who is better to menthor them than Tim (insideplayers) and Manu (outsideplayers)? make them the captains to lead by example, take a step back when they need to and take over in crunchtime if needed!
if we coult do so, it should be easy to get young talents to join...e.g. a situation like with rubio probably wouldn't occur, just coz its such a perfect enviroment to go to in SA.

in order to bet there, a Parker (+RJ...and hell even Bonner) trade for some young talent would be the only step we have to take! do it! I dont care about not getting out of the first round or not even making the playoffs, as long as we have a construct and wont pedal in and out beeing left in the middle of nothing.

Meh. Not everybody "agrees".

Excuse my optimism but I find it hard to believe a team that won 60+ games and finished atop the western conference cannot possibly be tweaked or upgraded to contend for a title the next season.

[NASpurs]

A fact that scares me is that the offense right now is built around Tony Parker. He drives the ball and either takes it to the rim or kicks it out. What's going to happen to the Spurs' offense if he gets traded? George Hill can't even run the pick and roll efficiently so trading TP right now has me worried. But I also don't want the Spurs to remain a somewhat above average team and just watch the wheels fall off with no course of action for the future until it's too late.

[TJastal]

A fact that scares me is that the offense right now is built around Tony Parker. He drives the ball and either takes it to the rim or kicks it out. What's going to happen to the Spurs' offense if he gets traded? George Hill can't even run the pick and roll efficiently so trading TP right now has me worried. But I also don't want the Spurs to remain a somewhat above average team and just watch the wheels fall off with no course of action for the future until it's too late.

So how did the spurs manage to win ballgames the past couple years with Hill as the starting PG every time TP was out with his various foot & ankle problems?

At around a .770 clip IIRC last time I did the research. Obviously he must be doing something right.

[NASpurs]

Well Manu will likely run the starting point guard.

So what's the actual status of this team, are they or are they not a few pieces away from contending again? If the Spurs somehow get the pieces to be an actual contending team and are looking for deep playoff runs, is Manu starting at the point be wise?

If the Spurs aren't a contending team, I can live with Manu running the point.

[NASpurs]

So how did the spurs manage to win ballgames the past couple years with Hill as the starting PG every time TP was out with his various foot & ankle problems before?

At around a .770 clip IIRC last time I did the research. Obviously he must be doing something right.

You and I must be watching different games then. It's a known fact that he sucks running the offense and most of the time, he's out there with Manu.

[TJastal]

You and I must be watching different games then. It's a known fact that he sucks running the offense and most of the time, he's out there with Manu.

So if Hill sucks so much how have the spurs managed to win games (at an even higher %) when Parker is out of the lineup?

[Russo21]

Total bullshit. Why would the spurs trade tony for a freakin draft pick? That's pretty much slapping the great tim duncan in the face and saying we cant win. A freakin draft pick? They can friggen well do better then that. We have 1 more year left to possibly win. What the fuck is trading tony for a draft pick gonna do for the last year or so of the tim duncan era.

If there gonna trade him they should be asking for a decent 7 foot centre instead of a fn draft pick!

[MoSpur]

I'd rather trade Hill. Tony Parker was pretty much your leading scorer last season. He's been the most consistent. How would you fill that void? He sucks in the defenders when he drives to the basket, which frees up the shooters on the outside.

Hill hasn't shown much other than that time Parker was hurt, but that doesn't prove he can run this team. Get a high draft pick for Parker is stupid. It frees up cap space, but so what?

[NASpurs]

So if Hill sucks so much how have the spurs managed to win games (at an even higher %) when Parker is out of the lineup?

You mean for a short stint in the regular season when teams don't really adjust to George Hill running the point? Fact is a lot of us have quivering assholes at the thought of G. Hill running the point, small sample size stats be damned.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Unless I missed something the option being discussed is 7th pick + Casspi for Parker.

Only mention of Hill were rumors of some teams offering a late 1st round pick.


"If the Spurs were to trade Parker, George Hill (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4488/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4488/news) could become their starting point guard. League sources said Hill also has drawn trade interest from teams willing to give the Spurs a pick near the back end of the lottery."

Yes, you missed quite a bit. The article says nothing about Casspi. That was a suggestion about 12 pages ago and by page 14 it is fact. In fact, you really can't say the stuff about Parker is more than a rumor. My point is of the 2 rumors in the article I would prefer to move Hill for a pick 5 or 6 spots later because I believe Parker is worth a heck of a lot more than 5 or 6 spots than Hill. Especially since Hill becomes less valuable to us trying to work both Anderson, Neal and Manu into the line up.

[Fireball]

I firmly believe that George Hill feels more comfortable when Tony is not in front of him in the rotation. George always stepped up when Tony was injured for a longer period of time.

I like Casspi, a little inconsistent, but with much room for improvement. Since RJ is not part of the trade talks currently I do not understand comparing Casspi to RJ. We might end up having them both.

[pancakechef]

G hill is a D bag. Have you seen him on twitter? Dumber than a box of rocks. He is less skilled than Neal.

As for Parker, hes been awful and single-handedly killed us the last two playoffs. He isnt very tough, and it is evident he cant will us to victory. NOT A LEADER. Although I think Parker needs to be traded, Casspri is not the answer. HE IS A BUM. Just what we need another RJ (but worse). He plays on Sac, arguably the leagues worst team, in a high tempo offense. Remember how great RJ seemed until he came to boring walk it up the court SA?

This draft is awful too. I could put my name into the lottery and would get taken third.

I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to trade TP for junk from Sac or Toronto and a draft pick.

UNLESS we unloaded Bonner, Richard, Parker and McDyess (even if he is retired):

But then you would have to essentially take the whole Sac team for it to work

[Mal]

Who was scouted by Spurs and it is projected as TOP 7 pick ?

[mosdef17]

If these rumors are true, and the Spurs are willing to trade Tony to move into the lottery in a fairly weak draft it makes me think that there is someone in the 6-8 range that the front office must really like. The trade for the 7th pick to Sacramento makes sense for the Kings, I know a few people here disagreed with that. But, the Kings need to start winning games, they have a nice young core but they can't have yet ANOTHER losing season. The team is in jeopardy of moving, some excitement needs to be generated. If they can get to the point where they are fighting for the 8th seed with 2 weeks left in the Playoffs that would be considered a successful 2011/12. I'm not sure I would take the 7th pick for Tony, I guess it all hinders on who the Spurs have in mind.. because it obviously is someone.

[will_spurs]

As for Parker, hes been awful and single-handedly killed us the last two playoffs.

Are you aware no extra points are going to be handed out for being overly dramatic? Keep that for your teachers.

In the long list of why the Spurs failed in the last few years there are A LOT of entries before Parker shows up: the team being better off with 4 players on the court than with RJ in it, Bonner's repeated disappearing act, Splitter no being developed, etc.

I kind of hope that Parker will be traded just to show so-called Spurs fans what they are missing. Anybody saying Hill can be running the point has not watched ANY Spurs games in the last 3 years--that doesn't really surprise me from TJackal.

[El_Mago]

As stated earlier, Vesely, is the player the Spurs are targeting in the top 10. However, the key here are Toronto and Washington.

Colangelo was apparently really high on Vesely, but has since cooled off. Washington is/was interested in Vesely, too, yet if they can position themselves for Kanter, they will take him.

Either way, if Vesely is gone by 7, the Kings deal is off.

As mentioned, Vesely is an intriguing player. He is not your typical Euro, and will attack the rim relentlessly. He is that long 3 that everyone on this board has desired. If you watch video's of him, he has flashes of Manu Ginobili. The kid is fearless and has played against top Euro competition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zlB5w08_Es

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QZxGrVco3o

The second video is a pretty good break down.

[pancakechef]

Maybe you need to watch the games. Tony's D and the other PGs offensive EXPLOSION in combination with Parkers inability to see the floor AND TURN THE BALL OVER AT CRUCIAL MOMENTS were the reasons for our departures. Granted Bonner shouldnt be in the NBA and there were other factors that helped us bust. But even so, take away parker for almost any NBA PG and we moved to round 2 last year.

[mountainballer]

this could fit a 2 offseasons rebuilding program. (no lock out scenario) this year Tony is traded for a high pick and a young player.
(let's take the Kings scenario with Casspi or a Raptors package like #5 pick plus Davis or Kleiza. maybe Spurs trow in Blair. expiring contracts in return.).
Spurs then take Valanciunas or Vesely, knowing that the player might not come over before 2012.
Spurs play the season with Hill and will see if they are still a PO team till years end. if no, they put Manu on the market at the trade deadline for a young player/pick and expiring contracts. one contender will bite, knowing what Manu brings in terms of winning. (Spurs miss the PO and get a lottery pick in the deep 2012 draft)
Tim retires 2012, Tony and Manu are off the books. even with RJ still on the payroll and a new CBA, Spurs will have significant money available for FAs.
they have a lottery pick plus a young player from the Manu trade.

2012 roster could be like this:

Hill
Anderson
Neal
Jefferson
Splitter
Richards
Valanciunas/Vesely
Davis/Kleiza/Casspi

premium 2012 FA (maybe Paul, DH and Deron Williams are on the market. not likely they chose SA, still worth a try)
lottery pick 2012
player they got from the Manu trade, maybe a talented PG.

hm. this looks like a pretty nice group of players to build on and it also looks as if the Spurs don't need to go to the lottery for 5 years to rebuild.

[Spursfanfromafar]

this could fit a 2 offseasons rebuilding program. (no lock out scenario) this year Tony is traded for a high pick and a young player.
(let's take the Kings scenario with Casspi or a Raptors package like #5 pick plus Davis or Kleiza. maybe Spurs trow in Blair. expiring contracts in return.).
Spurs then take Valanciunas or Vesely, knowing that the player might not come over before 2012.
Spurs play the season with Hill and will see if they are still a PO team till years end. if no, they put Manu on the market at the trade deadline for a young player/pick and expiring contracts. one contender will bite, knowing what Manu brings in terms of winning. (Spurs miss the PO and get a lottery pick in the deep 2012 draft)
Tim retires 2012, Tony and Manu are off the books. even with RJ still on the payroll and a new CBA, Spurs will have significant money available for FAs.
they have a lottery pick plus a young player from the Manu trade.

2012 roster could be like this:

Hill
Anderson
Neal
Jefferson
Splitter
Richards
Valanciunas/Vesely
Davis/Kleiza/Casspi

premium 2012 FA (maybe Paul, DH and Deron Williams are on the market. not likely they chose SA, still worth a try)
lottery pick 2012
player they got from the Manu trade, maybe a talented PG.

hm. this looks like a pretty nice group of players to build on and it also looks as if the Spurs don't need to go to the lottery for 5 years to rebuild.

Downright silly to blow up like this. There is no way the Spurs will give it up just like that this way. It is not a case of Championship or BUST this way.

Proud winners like Duncan and Manu will not want to ride the sunset like this. There is no way the Spurs are trading Parker. There is too much irrationality in the whole scheme. I suspect Adrian Woj has blown a bomb in this trade rumour.

[jesterbobman]

I think long term, The Spurs have the role players to surround a core with, they just lack the core. Also, the fact the main group of Tim, Tony, Manu has lasted so long means that Tony is going to be too old to build around. If you can get value know that is a combination of building for the future and potentially getting a star to lump the role players around, it's an option. I don't think you go rebuild all the way, but If you get a high pick and a good piece that'll help this year and in the future, it's an option. I still think a 60 win team should be looking for win now, though potentially incorporating the not to distant future into decision making.

[pookenstein]

Meh. Not everybody "agrees".

Excuse my optimism but I find it hard to believe a team that won 60+ games and finished atop the western conference cannot possibly be tweaked or upgraded to contend for a title the next season.

+1

In my opinion Manu's injury is the difference between us going at least to the WCF and losing in the first round.

If Pop sits him in that meaningless PHX game we meet the Grizz being @ full strenght and have a big chance of winning game 1. With the win in game 2 we go to Memphis leading the series 2-0, meaning the Gruizzlies still don't have a Playoff win. If it goes that way it's a complete different series.

Second round I have no doubts that we would have beat the Thunder. We just own them. We know it, they know it.

WCF against the Mavs is a toss up imo. Mavs beeing the favorites the way they played during the Post Season, but I think we'd had a legit chance of beating them.

So despite the awfulness of RJ and Bonner in my opinion we were just one dumbass decision away from beeing contender.



As for the Tony rumor: I don't want him gone, but as others said before, if the package is right then you might have no choice but pulling the trigger

[Texas_Ranger]

I say no to the the Caspi + 7pick trade. That would be a joke.

[spursfan09]

I'm a Spurs fan first so anything that will make the team better works for me. Tony Parker is pretty much the only tradable asset so I know why the Spurs would shop him around. But if they do trade him it better be for someone who is 10x the player TP is because; to lose your starting pg especially one like Tony Parker who has run the offense for the past 9 years can be detrimental to the team.

[mingus]

i think the Spurs FO is reacting to TP's comments about this team not contending anymore. Pop hates that shit. if Spurs trade himto the kings for a pick i'd like a player like Casspi along with it.

[JP le Requin]

evans + DP #7 ok...
and add RJ for Casspi ;-)

but not less..

TP is our leader now..he know pop's system better than anyone in the team and it will take maybe too many times to learn this to another PG (or maybe hill is now a true PG..i doubt it)

2 days....it will be 2 long days to know the truth and see what happen in san antonio...

[cheguevara]

include Bonner in the deal for a box of bomboms

[stxspurs]

It's bon bons...smh

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

include Bonner in the deal for a box of bomboms

Not really sure what you mean here but reading between the lines of your post I am summising you do not rate this Bonner chap?

[Mr. Body]

Jan Vesely? That fucker can't even hit half his free throws.

[Spurs Brazil]

Trade Parker and make Hill the startiing PG will be a big mistake. Hill already showed he can't be a PG. I'd rather see that other deal: Hill for a end of the lotery pick. Sign a veteran PG, give all the SG minutes to Neal and draft a SF or a big

[ace3g]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
San Antonio, as I hear it, wants to attach Richard Jefferson to any Tony Parker deal. Can't see that appealing to Raps. Or Kings. Or ...

[lmbebo]

per Marc Stein on Twitter: RJ has to be attached to any TP trade. Don't know how to link a twitter post

[cheguevara]

fuck! everyone knows RJ is a piece of shit

[Josepatches_]

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:clap:clap:clap

[NASpurs]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
San Antonio, as I hear it, wants to attach Richard Jefferson to any Tony Parker deal. Can't see that appealing to Raps. Or Kings. Or ...

Might as well close this thread. No one is stupid enough to take RJ unless Isiah Thomas goes back to being GM.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs looking to trade a good asset to get rid of a bad contract once again.

[NickiRasgo]

Parker, Jefferson, Hill & Blair for Rubio and #2 Pick. Hahaha. Just dreaming. :/

[ohmwrecker]

Parker, Jefferson, Hill & Blair for Rubio and #2 Pick. Hahaha. Just dreaming. :/

Sounds like a nightmare.

[SenorSpur]

Might as well close this thread. No one is stupid enough to take RJ unless Isiah Thomas goes back to being GM.

Exactly.

And as I stated earlier, the Jazz and the Kings are not exactly rolling in revenue. They are not perennial luxury tax payers. As such, there is no way either of these teams take on RJ's contract too.

In hindsight, the Spurs should "bit the bullet" and absorbed the final year of RJ's 15 mil. Had they done so, they could've possibly gotten rid of him at the trade deadline or simply allowed his money to come off the books this summer. There was simply no need for them to have rewarded RJ with a contract extension.

[Findog]

He fucked a teammate's wife and then threw his other teammates under the bus by telling the media that a 61 win team's title window was closed. I can see why the Spurs would want to ship this piece of shit out of town.

[benefactor]

lol Spurs. That's what they get for signing RJ to that very foolish deal.

The Spurs trying to get a team to take RJ with Parker is like me saying I will give you the best steak dinner you have ever eaten as long as you finish off the large cup of piss I'm going to pour you to go with it.

[SenorSpur]

Honestly, the best the Spurs can do is trade Parker and Anderson for Holliday and Iguodala. Two proven to be good players. Iggy being the best defender in the league and Holiday being one of the better low value high potential point guards.

Iggy would be a good get, but the Spurs still need a strong PF.

[Spurs Brazil]

fuck! everyone knows RJ is a piece of shit

I still can't believe the Spurs gave a $40 million contract for that piece of shit

[Findog]

I still can't believe the Spurs gave a $40 million contract for that piece of shit

They extended him after he was a colossal waste of space! :lol

[lmbebo]

Don't think Philly interested in TP.

[NASpurs]

:lmao @ RJ 4 years, 39 million dollars.

Remember how happy we were when he opted out last year? :depressed

[Das Texan]

If the price is right, move Parker's fucking ass.

You cant open your mouth and go spouting off shit and then go fuck a popular ex teammates wife and come off with no repurcussions.

[Agloco]

What's dumb is not quoting the entire post. This is what I said.

"Parker is past his prime at 29. He's not finished but he's our best trade asset. Getting back Calderon and two potential lottery picks isn't a bad deal. "

Calderon is also 29. Is he past his prime?

[Mel_13]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
San Antonio, as I hear it, wants to attach Richard Jefferson to any Tony Parker deal. Can't see that appealing to Raps. Or Kings. Or ...



The Spurs trying to get a team to take RJ with Parker is like me saying I will give you the best steak dinner you have ever eaten as long as you finish off the large cup of piss I'm going to pour you to go with it.

Stein's right. Teams like the Kings and Raps may be interested in Tony, but not at the price of taking on RJ.

If you want a candidate to take on RJ's contract in order to get Tony, then look no further than the team that just Donnie Walsh go. Dolan is an idiot who still listens to Thomas.

Tony+RJ for Billups, Turiaf, Douglas and the 17th pick.

NY should hold on to Billups because they need his expiring contract to have any chance at Howard, Paul, or any other top trade target, but Dolan may be the dumbest owner in professional sports. Amare/Melo/Tony will look pretty and sell tickets, but they're not winning the East.

For the Spurs, the trade is primarily a salary dump. After the 2011-12 season, the only salary larger than 4M would be the last year of Manu's contract. Positions them, at least financially, for the post-Duncan era.

[Agloco]

Parker for Casspi + 7th pick would rank one of the worst deals ever made in NBA history.. equalling or surpassing the Gasol to LA deal for peanuts and chump change. Only idiots will endorse such a moronic deal.

:lol

Right on cue:



yummy

Casspi
7th pick
trade exception to fill other gaps
open up spot for G. Hill in starting lineup

Please, god let this happen.....I promise I'll be good from now on.


Getting Casspi + 7th pick for unloading Parker would be pure heaven. I think I'd do a frickin dance out on main street if this happened.

:lol

[Mr. Body]

Tony+RJ for Billups, Turiaf, Douglas and the 17th pick.


Not sure the NYK would do this, but it could be great for the Spurs. Billups' age is a concern, but he's still a very good floor leader. The rest of the guys we could use.

[Bruno]

If Stein is right, it's pathetic.

A year ago, basically, EVERYBODY agree it was damn dumb to give $50M to RJ and Bonner. To erase that mistake now Spurs want to trade Parker!

If a Parker + RJ for crap trade happens, RC should be fired.

[Agloco]

Meh. Not everybody "agrees".

Excuse my optimism but I find it hard to believe a team that won 60+ games and finished atop the western conference cannot possibly be tweaked or upgraded to contend for a title the next season.

And of course the best way to go about that is to trade away the one true point guard you have for an unproven young SF and whatever junk you pull with the 7th.

:lol

[Mr. Body]

A year ago, basically, EVERYBODY agree it was damn dumb to give $50M to RJ and Bonner. To erase that mistake now Spurs want to trade Parker!


The Spurs, and RC, have a history of trading very good assets to get rid of salary, cf. Luis Scola trade.

[Bruno]

The Spurs, and RC, have a history of trading very good assets to get rid of salary, cf. Luis Scola trade.

Don't put Scrubla and Parker in the same sentence. Parker is one of 5 best Spurs ever. Trading him to dump RJ's contract and get a pick in a crappy draft would be a shame.

[Mr. Body]

Don't put Scrubla and Parker in the same sentence.

I just did. You can read it again.

[SenorSpur]

I'd rather trade Hill. Tony Parker was pretty much your leading scorer last season. He's been the most consistent. How would you fill that void? He sucks in the defenders when he drives to the basket, which frees up the shooters on the outside.

Hill hasn't shown much other than that time Parker was hurt, but that doesn't prove he can run this team. Get a high draft pick for Parker is stupid. It frees up cap space, but so what?

Does anyone truly believe that George Hill is ready to play PG for this team? Has there been any evidence to support that notion? It's amazing that all national pundits and analysts tout Hill as "ready to step in" for Tony at PG. I'm thinking to myself, "have any of you actually watched an entire Spurs game?"

[Maddog]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
San Antonio, as I hear it, wants to attach Richard Jefferson to any Tony Parker deal. Can't see that appealing to Raps. Or Kings. Or ...

I'm calling BS on this one
Why?
that's 21 million in salary someone has to match.
Haven't looked- but not sure that is even feasible the above mentioned teams
Would require a 3rd team and you know how often that works

[Agloco]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
San Antonio, as I hear it, wants to attach Richard Jefferson to any Tony Parker deal. Can't see that appealing to Raps. Or Kings. Or ...


per Marc Stein on Twitter: RJ has to be attached to any TP trade. Don't know how to link a twitter post

Want to or have to?

Big difference here.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Surely there is a better way to dump RJ somewhere for some other crappy contract. I keep reading that the Clippers are desperate for a decent SF. RJ fits the bill there. Wonder why the Spurs aren't willing to pull the trigger and getting something back, even if very bad.

[baseline bum]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
San Antonio, as I hear it, wants to attach Richard Jefferson to any Tony Parker deal. Can't see that appealing to Raps. Or Kings. Or ...

Motherfucker. I hope everyone on this forum cancels their season tickets if this salary dump goes through.

[Basketball Power]

If we get rid of Parker and RJ we'd basically need a superstar to fill the scoring gap

[elemento]

Lol @ people defending our fo saying jefferson's new contract was a nice financial move.

Guess what ? Richard jefferson sucks ! And now we have to give parker in order to get rid of jefferson.

Rc buford has to be fired.

[ElNono]

lol nobody wants to touch that RJ turd... We're probably gonna have to throw in Splitter and Blair and they still won't bite :lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

If we get rid of Parker and RJ we'd basically need a superstar to fill the scoring gap

i think spurs are salary dumping, preparing for new cba and start rebuilding...

his fiasco off the court bullshit affected this team when it became hoes b4 bros...and the shitty performance in the playoffs and remarks after the game having no faith the team couldnt be competitive enough to win a title this year...

i think none of that is welcome around spurs culture....


one of them lottery teams could pull this trade and put themselves into a playoff spot contention

[z0sa]

Looks like it's time to prepare for some extended mediocrity.

[lefty]

Don't put Scrubla and Parker in the same sentence. Parker is one of 5 best Spurs ever. Trading him to dump RJ's contract and get a pick in a crappy draft would be a shame.
Robinson
Duncan
Gervin
Ginobili
Gilmore


Bruno :lmao

[gameFACE]

Most of these rumors could have been generated by other teams picking up the phone and calling the Spurs.

But truth be told the Spurs are in a fucking pickle. The FO backed themselves into a corner with the RJ deal and it's getting desperate. And make no mistake, trading ANY of the big three is rebuilding mode. That's if you don't get back players that can contribute now. You better get at least one superstar not some "pick" if you're not in rebuilding mode. And we all know about Pop's system. It's great when it works after new players have acclimated to it. Hey, it worked four times, I can't complain about that. But when it doesn't it really falls apart. If you think a bad elbow is a cog in Pop's system wait until one of the big three is missing.

Tony didn't play well against Memphis. But neither did anyone else.

Motherfucker. I hope everyone on this forum cancels their season tickets if this salary dump goes through.
I might consider that if they make another boneheaded move.

[ohmwrecker]

Surely there is a better way to dump RJ somewhere for some other crappy contract. I keep reading that the Clippers are desperate for a decent SF. RJ fits the bill there. Wonder why the Spurs aren't willing to pull the trigger and getting something back, even if very bad.

That makes more sense than trading TP just to dump RJ. That would be a disservice to Duncan's career and what the big 3 have accomplished. Complete and total disrespect.

[lefty]

In another thread, a few weeks ago, I did mention that the Raptors might be interested in Parker to add depth to their PG position and would be willing to trade a high draft pick fo him

Looks like it could happen, after all.

[TDMVPDPOY]

That makes more sense than trading TP just to dump RJ. That would be a disservice to Duncan's career and what the big 3 have accomplished. Complete and total disrespect.

how is it a disservice to duncan if you trade away one of the players who brought it upon themself? gtfo

tp situation reminds me of david beckhems final days at manutd, his personal life was getting involve with the team, didnt help when u marry a celebrity as a wife and the media is always looking for dirt to write. now everything is in the air, the franchise doesnt need this negative press. We dont know how close brent barry is with the guys on the team/franchise, but shit like this is not welcome if you have a strong culture in ur organization, especially with role models in ur ball club from top to bottom. This could be a FO thing.

yeh sure everyone wants timmay to go out on a high to end his career like drob, but not everyone has happy endings. Everybody knows this team is going nowhere, but the spurs must look long term financially and being able to field a competitive team once duncan retires...surely if they wanted to, they could ride out the next 2 seasons when td, ginoboli contract ends, then u have parkers....

[dbreiden83080]

And his playoff performances in previous non-title seasons don't count. Because those playoffs just don't count.

You talk as if Tony is this untradeable asset to the team. He is 29 and supposed to be in his prime yet he was just badly outplayed by Conley in the Memphis series. Obviously with Tim not in his prime anymore they need much more from Tony and if they can't get it then maybe they should deal him. He is not going to get better in the next 3-4 years especially when he is always playing for France and coming into camp all beat up. You know that is gonna be a factor again at some point..

[2centsworth]

Don't put Scrubla and Parker in the same sentence. Parker is one of 5 best Spurs ever. Trading him to dump RJ's contract and get a pick in a crappy draft would be a shame.

Top 5 ? Give me a break. I'm a fan, but thats over the top.

[dbreiden83080]

:cry Parker doesnt believe in the team so I want him gone :cry

If he really feels Spurs are done why would he want to stay? Those comments came off to me like he was trying to get traded.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Top 5 ? Give me a break. I'm a fan, but thats over the top.

only the french fans on this site think his top 5 ever to wear the black and silver...lol

this draft looks weak unless we can get singleton...

then again why not look back at trading with the knicks who was interested in parker, maybe they can give us fields, there starting pg, and a big....

[TDMVPDPOY]

If he really feels Spurs are done why would he want to stay? Those comments came off to me like he was trying to get traded.

the comments he made was not welcome after the shit he has done during the season off the court, that shit didnt help the organization at all, what would happen if none of this happen and he was mentally mind free to compete in the playoffs...

[dbreiden83080]

Don't put Scrubla and Parker in the same sentence. Parker is one of 5 best Spurs ever. Trading him to dump RJ's contract and get a pick in a crappy draft would be a shame.

If you can get someone good in the draft why not take a chance? Spurs are never winning a title with Tony as a franchise player. Plus he is a risk to get hurt or play poorly going forward due to his play for France.. I'm not saying Tony has not been a good Spur, of course he has but it might be time to move on. His comments about "Spurs being done" sounded like he was all ready to go..

[dbreiden83080]

the comments he made was not welcome after the shit he has done during the season off the court, that shit didnt help the organization at all, what would happen if none of this happen and he was mentally mind free to compete in the playoffs...

If Kobe said what Tony said it would be all over ESPN for a week.. RC Buford and Pop both seem pissed off about it..

[rascal]

If Minny were willing to trade Rubio and the second pick for Parker and 29th, I would be fine with that.

Rubio stinks

[MaNu4Tres]

No way Stein is right.

Spurs would be beyond stupid to package RJ with Tony for multiple of reasons:

1) Spurs wouldn't get fair value back (talent-wise) in return for their best trading asset (Parker). Such a move would give the Spurs an average team that wouldn't be able to compete for a title and at the same time they wouldn't be worthy of a relevant lottery selection in the up-coming draft. Putting the franchise in irrelevant limbo.

2) Freeing up cap space for the summer of 2012 or 2013 really is a waste! For the simple fact that no premiere top-tier free agent would sign with San Antonio.

The only "free agent" situation that can come out of a cap freeing move (trading Tony and RJ together to free up future cap space) is this:

-Overpaying a middle tier free agent come summer of 2012 or 2013 because the Spurs will be desperate to fill any relevant roster spot. They already did that with R.J. So basically they would be attaching an R.J to their best trading asset this year to free up future cap space, which would only lead to signing another R.J type come 2012 or 2013. That makes no sense and that is the reality.

That is why I think Spurs should try to package Hill and or Blair ONLY with RJ to try to get rid of him. If they can't, then I'd just hold on to him til the last year of his contract then trade him away to any team who wants to clear 10-11 million off the books the following year (worst-case scenario). **At the end of every month , I'd be calling around for a taker on R.J til then obviously.

I really really hope Stein isn't right.

Attaching the worst trading asset on the team to the best trading asset is beyond stupid, especially when your team just fielded a 61 win season.

[ducks]

this all could be a smokescreen and manu could be the one that is traded.....
spurs make trades with people not mentioned

[NickiRasgo]

Please don't trade Parker. :/

[rascal]

Does anyone truly believe that George Hill is ready to play PG for this team? Has there been any evidence to support that notion? It's amazing that all national pundits and analysts tout Hill as "ready to step in" for Tony at PG. I'm thinking to myself, "have any of you actually watched an entire Spurs game?"

Maybe they get Kemba Walker with the #7 draft pick and a big Cousins/Thompson for parker.

Or work out a 3 team trade involving Sac and Toronto. Shipping out parker with Jefferson and getting Bargnani along with the #5-(take Walker) and a big from Sac.Thompson/Cousins.

[ducks]

parker for bosh ?

[hater]

this all could be a smokescreen and manu could be the one that is traded.....
spurs make trades with people not mentioned

:lmao

Manu IS the Spurs. No way in hell he gets traded.

Parker gave up on the team and the team gave up on him. He is a goner.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I say we trade TP for D Howard or D Rose..

[Cane]

If you can get someone good in the draft why not take a chance? Spurs are never winning a title with Tony as a franchise player. Plus he is a risk to get hurt or play poorly going forward due to his play for France.. I'm not saying Tony has not been a good Spur, of course he has but it might be time to move on. His comments about "Spurs being done" sounded like he was all ready to go..


If Kobe said what Tony said it would be all over ESPN for a week.. RC Buford and Pop both seem pissed off about it..

Agreed. Hell as a Spurs fan I'm pissed at Tony Parker. Sexting nonsense, wanting to join NYC, playing badly in the playoffs against Mike Conley, his lack of a consistent midrange/3 point shot, lacking defense, etc.

He's been garbage in the playoffs especially the last run: 31 assists to 20 turnovers is not good. Its underrated just how poor of a playmaker, shooter, leader, etc Parker can be. Trade his ass for something that makes sense.

Parker has declined significantly especially with Duncan playing less minutes and declining himself.

[ducks]

:lmao

Manu IS the Spurs. No way in hell he gets traded.

Parker gave up on the team and the team gave up on him. He is a goner.

manu is done
can not even be healthy in playoffs so what is the point of him
he played less minutes this year to

and quit blaming pop for playing him he benched him more then manu liked


right now manu is kissing spurs ass
parker is telling spurs what it is and what most feel here
manu is being stupid

[hater]

Parker + Dick to Cleveland for Varejao and BDiddy. Do it Ferry

[ducks]

you do realize spurs were going to let David Robinson Walk
HE WAS THE SPURS

[ducks]

you trade parker
then you trade manu for picks
or chandler

there is talk that wilson chandler does not want to be in denver
doing a sign and trade for chandler for manu would be great
karl LOVES MANU

[TDMVPDPOY]

i wonder if t-back would join the spurs? play pg...lol

[Mr. Body]

Holy shit are there suddenly some horrible ideas.

[Bruno]

Top 5 ? Give me a break. I'm a fan, but thats over the top.

3 Spurs are clearly better than Parker with Ice, Robinson and Duncan. Parker is 4th or 5th depending if you consider him better or not than Manu.

So what is your top 5?

[Agloco]

Does anyone truly believe that George Hill is ready to play PG for this team? Has there been any evidence to support that notion? It's amazing that all national pundits and analysts tout Hill as "ready to step in" for Tony at PG. I'm thinking to myself, "have any of you actually watched an entire Spurs game?"

This.

If Parker is traded, it needs to be for another veteran PG plus a 1-5 pick.......at the very least.

[Bruno]

If you can get someone good in the draft why not take a chance? Spurs are never winning a title with Tony as a franchise player. Plus he is a risk to get hurt or play poorly going forward due to his play for France.. I'm not saying Tony has not been a good Spur, of course he has but it might be time to move on. His comments about "Spurs being done" sounded like he was all ready to go..

Getting something good in this draft seems quite hard to do.

I'm not against trading Parker to start rebuilding the team but it should then be a full rebuilding process.

[rascal]

manu is done
can not even be healthy in playoffs so what is the point of him
he played less minutes this year to

and quit blaming pop for playing him he benched him more then manu liked


right now manu is kissing spurs ass
parker is telling spurs what it is and what most feel here
manu is being stupid

It's better to move Manu now while he still has some value before his last years on the contract where he will be way over paid for the type of player he will be.

[Agloco]

Top 5 ? Give me a break. I'm a fan, but thats over the top.


only the french fans on this site think his top 5 ever to wear the black and silver...lol

You've got Timmy, Robinson, Ice.......

And Manu presumably. Only one more to bump him out. We're all ears.

[Interrohater]

I wonder what Timmy thinks of the whole situation. You have to assume that they'd have talked to him about it before any deals were considered. Tim Duncan always has seemed an extremely pragmatic individual. I would not be surprised at all if he was okay with the possibility of trading TP. He seems to be a man of moderately high (not D-Rob high, but still) integrity and was probably not pleased by TP's actions in the last year and a half.

[MannyIsGod]

JMcDonald_SAEN (http://twitter.com/#%21/JMcDonald_SAEN) Jeff McDonald



Spurs' R.C. Buford, on Tony Parker trade rumors: "We're not shopping anyone." bit.ly/jBkUWV (http://t.co/qdDRpnw)


Via Twitter. So much for that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I wonder what Timmy thinks of the whole situation. You have to assume that they'd have talked to him about it before any deals were considered. Tim Duncan always has seemed an extremely pragmatic individual. I would not be surprised at all if he was okay with the possibility of trading TP. He seems to be a man of moderately high (not D-Rob high, but still) integrity and was probably not pleased by TP's actions in the last year and a half.

duncan might not have the last decision, but there are guys in the front office or shareholders in the club not happy with what happen...

[Agloco]

JMcDonald_SAEN (http://twitter.com/#%21/JMcDonald_SAEN) Jeff McDonald



Spurs' R.C. Buford, on Tony Parker trade rumors: "We're not shopping anyone...............yet. " bit.ly/jBkUWV (http://t.co/qdDRpnw)


Via Twitter. So much for that.

:lol

Fixed

[will_spurs]

Top 5 ? Give me a break. I'm a fan, but thats over the top.

I'll bite... Duncan, Robinson, Gervin, Manu... who is 5th if not Parker?

[Ditty]

Kings can observe there contracts I believe because there under the current cap right now,I believe. A Parker and Jefferson for Casspi,Thompson ans 7th pick with a $12 million trade exception to go after a point guard, and would be nice if spurs can use the 7th pick to acquire the 9th and 19th pick from the bobcats, but got to be ralistic parker has about no more than 4 good years on him, he's no jason kidd, tp will lose his speed. Yeah I wish Hill would be traded also, even if Parker does or doesn't get traded for a back end lottery pick. I would wait next year to trade parker but I think Spurs see it as this could be the last time they get good value for parker back as he will be 30 next year. Kings really want to put people in seats in Sac to keep them there, and getting a championship guard like Parker even taking Jefferson, who is more of bad fit in the spurs system then a bad player,can really bring back some fans,especially having 2 players on a starting lineup that had the best record in the west. Kings want a veteran SF it seems, and don't think they can lure battier, or prince to sac. Maybe Wilson Chandler, but not a huge upgrade over RJ ,after that horrible series against the Thunder this year,he's younger though. Spurs just aren't getting a lot of offers for Parker it seems but I do love Casspi.

[DPG21920]

No one & I mean no one believes McDonald right now over those at Yahoo.

[TheProfessor]

JMcDonald_SAEN (http://twitter.com/#%21/JMcDonald_SAEN) Jeff McDonald



Spurs' R.C. Buford, on Tony Parker trade rumors: "We're not shopping anyone." bit.ly/jBkUWV (http://t.co/qdDRpnw)


Via Twitter. So much for that.
Article said they have received calls and answered them. Not exactly a denial.

[ohmwrecker]

JMcDonald_SAEN (http://twitter.com/#%21/JMcDonald_SAEN) Jeff McDonald
Spurs' R.C. Buford, on Tony Parker trade rumors: "We're not shopping anyone." bit.ly/jBkUWV (http://t.co/qdDRpnw)

Poor Jeff McDonald. Do you think they ever tell that sucker the truth?

[Libri]

Getting something good in this draft seems quite hard to do.

I'm not against trading Parker to start rebuilding the team but it should then be a full rebuilding process.

How would you go about doing this full rebuilding process? Do you have a fire sale now or do you start by trading Parker/RJ and then Manu next year?

[MannyIsGod]

No one & I mean no one believes drunk McDonald over those at Yahoo.

Thats great and all but if the Spurs aren't actively shopping Parker then that doesnt' mean they're not fielding calls. What it does mean, however, is that if they're not actively looking for a trade the price on Parker is going to be quite high.

[ATXSPUR]

I'll bite... Duncan, Robinson, Gervin, Manu... who is 5th if not Parker?

Will Perdue...duh!

[DPG21920]

Of course they are saying that. Have you ever heard a team come out and say "we are actively shopping player x"?

[MannyIsGod]

Yes.

[NASpurs]

McDonald? :lmao :lmao

That guy is not even worth a retweet.

[MannyIsGod]

Are you guys fucking stupid? (Rhetorical - I know the answer) McDonald posted a QUOTE.

[NASpurs]

Of course they are saying that. Have you ever heard a team come out and say "we are actively shopping player x"?

Pretty much. This is the organization that keeps everything close to their vests and deny everything.

RC did say though that they're going to try and get better by trades earlier though.

[MannyIsGod]

“We’re not shopping anyone,” Buford said, via text message. “We’ve received calls on a lot of our guys and we’ve answered the phone.”

[NASpurs]

Are you guys fucking stupid? (Rhetorical - I know the answer) McDonald posted a QUOTE.

And you believe what they say. How cute.

[MannyIsGod]

Pretty much. This is the organization that keeps everything close to their vests and deny everything.

RC did say though that they're going to try and get better by trades earlier though.

:lol Oh so you listen to RC when you want but not when he says things you disagree with.

All I know is that a Parker trade sure as hell is a possibility but its sure as hell not going to be for the 5th pick in this draft.

[MannyIsGod]

pretty much. This is the organization that keeps everything close to their vests and deny everything.

Rc did say though that they're going to try and get better by trades earlier though.


and you believe what they say. How cute.


lol!??!?!

[NASpurs]

:lol Oh so you listen to RC when you want but not when he says things you disagree with.

All I know is that a Parker trade sure as hell is a possibility but its sure as hell not going to be for the 5th pick in this draft.

That earlier quote wasn't exactly during the middle of the activity.

Deny everything.

[MannyIsGod]

Deny everything except when you talk about trading people? :lmao

[DPG21920]

Manny, I wasn't disagreeing w what you said but I could care less about what they tell McDonald. Also :lol at acting like teams come out and say we are actively shopping players.

[SenorSpur]

JMcDonald_SAEN (http://twitter.com/#%21/JMcDonald_SAEN) Jeff McDonald



Spurs' R.C. Buford, on Tony Parker trade rumors: "We're not shopping anyone." bit.ly/jBkUWV (http://t.co/qdDRpnw)


Via Twitter. So much for that.

Take this with a grain of salt. R.C. would never deliberately show his hand, anyway. There's too much smoke surrounding this situation for there not to have been some initial conversations with various teams.

[Ginobilly]

Tony Parker is worth a lot more than a 5th or 7th pick in the draft. He's a freakin allstar quality player and former finals MVP. I would expect a similar player in return or 1st or 2nd pick in the draft for TP.

[MaNu4Tres]

“We’re not shopping anyone,” Buford said, via text message. “We’ve received calls on a lot of our guys and we’ve answered the phone.”

When is the last time Pop/R.C has said, " We are shopping player X around ."

The last time I remember them admitting to such a thing to the media was about 17 years ago. Before Rodman was traded to the Bulls.

Since then, Spurs have never let their cards show til the deals actually happened.

Only time will tell.

[NASpurs]

Deny everything except when you talk about trading people? :lmao

It's funny how to turn this shit on me yet you're the one who says "so much for that". Everyone knows there's something going on. The Spurs aren't going to come out and say it though. You know how this organization works.

[Mugen]

lol I wanna see Timmy's face when the FO tells him they just traded TP for a 5th pick in a shitty draft and some fillers.

Pop and RC have been shitting on Timmy's twilight years for the last 4 years, not sure why anyone would be surprised by them trading the only one of the Big 3 in their prime for garbage.

[Bruno]

How would you go about doing this full rebuilding process? Do you have a fire sale now or do you start by trading Parker/RJ and then Manu next year?

You do everything this summer:
- Trade Parker for expiring/cap space/prospects/picks.
- Trade Ginobili for expiring/cap space/prospects/picks.
- Trade Bonner for expiring contract.
- Fire Pop and go after a young coach.
- Let Duncan retire or chase a last ring with a contender.
- If there is an amnesty rule, use it on RJ. Otherwise keep RJ instead of using assets to dump him.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't disagree that other teams are calling the Spurs asking what they want for Tony Parker. That happens ALL the time. I just don't see anything to indicate its anything more than that and there is nothing to indicate the Spurs are willing to trade their most tradeable asset for a mediocre draft pick.

[Bruno]

While RC woudl have never said "we are shopping Parker", he easily could have ignored McDonald text message instead of giving thsi answer to it.

[cd98]

If any team calls regarding Parker, RC would have to listen to what they had to say. But insisting on including RJ means one of two things: (1) he has very little interest in actually trading TP, at least for a lottery pick; or (2) by including RJ, RC is applying the stupidity test to the other GM to see if he can get a couple quality players and a lottery pick while divesting the Spurs of RJ's contract.

[spurspokesman]

Thats a nice deal for us, I know we loved Davis and Derozan, I would rather have Jimmer than Kemba, but they are very similar. A new starting backcourt with a big to boot and use 29th pick to fill a hole, I would do it.

I second this. Except I'd take kemba. I'm CT all the way.

[lefty]

3 Spurs are clearly better than Parker with Ice, Robinson and Duncan. Parker is 4th or 5th depending if you consider him better or not than Manu.

So what is your top 5?
Duncan
Robinson
Gervin
Manu
Gilmore

[DPG21920]

I don't disagree that other teams are calling the Spurs asking what they want for Tony Parker. That happens ALL the time. I just don't see anything to indicate its anything more than that and there is nothing to indicate the Spurs are willing to trade their most tradeable asset for a mediocre draft pick.

Exactly. It happens all the time. What usually doesn't happen is a credible source like Yahoo with ties to the Spurs reporting it. If it's just run of the mill calls, it's usually not covered. If Yahoo is doing a feature on just the Spurs, it usually means it's a little more serious than just the obligatory "we are just making calls".

[will_spurs]

Gilmore

Oh yeah right, I remember when his jersey got retired back in 1992, it was so emotional.

[lurker23]

Another effect of this rumor is that it raises Hill trade value. Spurs being ready to trade their 3 times all star, 3 times NBA champion, NBA final MVP and starter for 10 years to make Hill a starter is a huge trade value boost for Hill.

I won't go as far as saying that Spurs have made up trade rumors around Parker to raise Hill's trade value but Spurs could receive for Hill better offers they have received in the past.

The more and more I think about this whole situation, the more I think that this is the most likely scenario. By floating Tony Parker trade rumors, the Spurs raise George Hill's value. The effect wouldn't be huge, but even if it's just a few spots upward in the draft, it could make all the difference if they've got someone in particular targeted.

As much as I like Hill, trading Hill makes a lot more sense than trading Parker. Parker is a huge part of your current core who you just locked up for 4 years. He's an All-Star, and a big part of what makes the offense run. George Hill is a combo guard on a team that suddenly finds itself crowded at the 2. He's on the last year of his rookie contract, and he'll be looking for a decent payday next summer. If Parker is still around, the Spurs will want to give him bench/role player money. Given his potential and previous play, other teams might be willing to give him starter money. As the Spurs, if you're worried about this at all, you trade him now while his value is highest.

[lefty]

Oh yeah right, I remember when his jersey got retired back in 1992, it was so emotional.
This :lol

[ATXSPUR]

Duncan
Robinson
Gervin
Manu
Gilmore


Can't believe I forgot about Gilmore.

[DPG21920]

:rollseyes So lefty is trying to argue and give someone crap about saying TP is a top 5 Spur when he himself prob has him in the top 7 like it's a huge difference.

[xtremesteven33]

This team was a title contender this year no doubt. They ran into the worst possible matchup at the worst time when Manu yet again is hurt for game 1.

I still think we should try and package a Hill/RJ/Blair combo for a small forward and then maybe try and sign a solid big.

I dont think trading Parker will win us a championship unless we get someone better. Ive heard also that the Spurs are looking into trading for Raymond Felton. Now thats an interesting concept. Felton looks like a player who is waiting for his oppurtunity to shine and has the fire to compete at a high level. He is big and can shoot the 3 and dish out assists. He needs some playoff polishing but that would be a trade that intrigues me.

[will_spurs]

:rollseyes So lefty is trying to argue and give someone crap about saying TP is a top 5 Spur when he himself prob has him in the top 7 like it's a huge difference.

Lefty was just trolling, which is what he does 90% of the time. At least he puts some humor in it most of the time, which makes it mildly tolerable.

[DisciplinaryOffice]

Word has it that ESPN Insider has posted an agreed trade between the Spurs and Kings. Spurs get Cousins and #7; Kings get Parker and Jefferson. Skeptical until I see it, but...anyone with access willing to repost?

[benefactor]

Anything Wojo reports almost certainly goes through Ludden. If there was nothing but some calls some teams made to the Spurs going on I'm pretty sure nothing would have been said.

The only thing McDonald has inside information on is the specifics of drinking and driving laws in the state of Texas.

[John Basedow]

Word has it that ESPN Insider has posted an agreed trade between the Spurs and Kings. Spurs get Cousins and #7; Kings get Parker and Jefferson. Skeptical until I see it, but...anyone with access willing to repost?

That would be great for SA....not sure why the Kings would do that though, unless they planned on putting Tony at SG:lol.

Cousins is a beast (owns Gasol too).

[yavozerb]

Word has it that ESPN Insider has posted an agreed trade between the Spurs and Kings. Spurs get Cousins and #7; Kings get Parker and Jefferson. Skeptical until I see it, but...anyone with access willing to repost?

Word has it or is it actually posted? It either is or isnt...

[Leetonidas]

That would be great for SA....not sure why the Kings would do that though, unless they planned on putting Tony at SG:lol.

Cousins is a beast (owns Gasol too).

Because Evans is a SG not a PG.

And don't fuck with me man, I don't see shit on ESPN about this. If the Spurs got Cousins holy fuck :worthy:

[DisciplinaryOffice]

Don't have Insider, but was texted this by friend who does: "ESPN today reported a blockbuster trade between the San Antonio Spurs and Sacramento Kings...Spurs get F/C Demarcus Cousins and the #7 pick in this year's draft, while the Kings get PG Tony Parker and SF Richard Jefferson." Apologize if it's just a rumor, or my friend is screwing with me.

[ABrooks111]

Don't have Insider, but was texted this by friend who does: "ESPN today reported a blockbuster trade between the San Antonio Spurs and Sacramento Kings...Spurs get F/C Demarcus Cousins and the #7 pick in this year's draft, while the Kings get PG Tony Parker and SF Richard Jefferson." Apologize if it's just a rumor, or my friend is screwing with me.

Why are you fuckin' with me? If that actually happened I might cry with joy.

[hater]

Why are you fuckin' with me? If that actually happened I might cry with joy.

why? because we got rid of RJ? that's the only good thing I see in that trade.

[baseline bum]

Maybe they get Kemba Walker with the #7 draft pick and a big Cousins/Thompson for parker.

Or work out a 3 team trade involving Sac and Toronto. Shipping out parker with Jefferson and getting Bargnani along with the #5-(take Walker) and a big from Sac.Thompson/Cousins.

All your bitching about getting a good big for years and now you want to trade for the softest one in the league in Bargnani? And a 6'0" shooting guard who shoots 43% against NCAA defenses in Walker? Are you even a Spurs fan?

[ATXSPUR]

Don't have Insider, but was texted this by friend who does: "ESPN today reported a blockbuster trade between the San Antonio Spurs and Sacramento Kings...Spurs get F/C Demarcus Cousins and the #7 pick in this year's draft, while the Kings get PG Tony Parker and SF Richard Jefferson." Apologize if it's just a rumor, or my friend is screwing with me.

Meh, not really impressed with that. Though we would get rid of RJ's contract...

[DisAsTerBot]

uhhhh.....that doesnt come close to working salary wise

[John Basedow]

Because Evans is a SG not a PG.

And don't fuck with me man, I don't see shit on ESPN about this. If the Spurs got Cousins holy fuck :worthy:

He's played both for the Kings. Why would they give up one of their only true low-post threats when they have a decent backcourt already? Evans and Thornton is pretty damn good. TP is a more ideal PG no doubt, but they'd have no low post offensive threats left. Thompson, Dalembert, and Whiteside don't scare anybody

[DisciplinaryOffice]

Ugh. Think I've been screwed with. Sorry to drag you all into it.

[Gino2882]

Ugh. Think I've been screwed with. Sorry to drag you all into it.

No your not. Typical bullshit that goes on around here...

[rascal]

JMcDonald_SAEN (http://twitter.com/#%21/JMcDonald_SAEN) Jeff McDonald



Spurs' R.C. Buford, on Tony Parker trade rumors: "We're not shopping anyone." bit.ly/jBkUWV (http://t.co/qdDRpnw)


Via Twitter. So much for that.

But he didn't say we are not trading anyone.

[hater]

if you knew the front office well, Buford's statement practically means:
"Give us a call about Parker. Anybody."

[rascal]

I'll bite... Duncan, Robinson, Gervin, Manu... who is 5th if not Parker?

Kenon and James Silas

[Leetonidas]

I knew getting Cousins and their pick for Parker and RJ was bullshit because the salaries don't make sense at all but I just got a boner at the thought

[lmbebo]

I knew getting Cousins and their pick for Parker and RJ was bullshit because the salaries don't make sense at all but I just got a boner at the thought


Salaries work because of the king's low team salary.

I couldn't see Kings moving Cousins though.

[lefty]

:rollseyes So lefty is trying to argue and give someone crap about saying TP is a top 5 Spur when he himself prob has him in the top 7 like it's a huge difference.
it's a difference for me

[DPG21920]

It doesn't work salary wise.

[rascal]

I second this. Except I'd take kemba. I'm CT all the way.

Agree. Kemba is a winner. He single handily made the big shots and willed his team to victory in the Big East tournamnet and the NCAA tournament.

A true class player and proven winner. He would be a great fit on the spurs and would add depth at pg and help replace Parker and the Spurs also could upgrade on the frontline from the trade.

[rascal]

Salaries work because of the king's low team salary.

I couldn't see Kings moving Cousins though.

Throw in Toronto and a couple more players and try working out a deal that could work as a 3 team deal. Sac may move Evans if they land Parker and Toronto could be a destination.

[rascal]

All your bitching about getting a good big for years and now you want to trade for the softest one in the league in Bargnani? And a 6'0" shooting guard who shoots 43% against NCAA defenses in Walker? Are you even a Spurs fan?

Bargnani plays bigger than Jefferson. And you forgot that the spurs will be adding Cousins who is better than Bonner. So yes there is an upgrade on the frontline.

[Leetonidas]

Salaries work because of the king's low team salary.

I couldn't see Kings moving Cousins though.

I don't think the Spurs can trade about 20 million in salary for a player on his rookie deal and a pick.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't think the Spurs can trade about 20 million in salary for a player on his rookie deal and a pick.

Kings will be 15 million under the cap under the newly proposed 62 million cap (if that's about where the new salary cap will be with the new CBA intact). A lopsided trade (salary-wise) can be done in this scenario.

[5in10]

Who do the Spurs like enough to want to move up into the Lottery?
Chad Ford
(2:00 PM)


Valanciunas is a draw as a legit center. They're also high on Klay Thompson I believe. I'm not sure they need to trade Parker to move way up in the draft. George Hill could probably get them somewhere in the late lottery.

[objective]

If Stein is right, it's pathetic.

A year ago, basically, EVERYBODY agree it was damn dumb to give $50M to RJ and Bonner. To erase that mistake now Spurs want to trade Parker!

If a Parker + RJ for crap trade happens, RC should be fired.


Come on Bruno, not everybody thought it was dumb. There was a very vocal cadre of pro-RJ and pro-Bonner people on this board and unfortunately in the Spurs FO. :depressed

[DisciplinaryOffice]

No your not. Typical bullshit that goes on around here...

Not to belabor this, but...

1. Yes, I am.
2. I think you're getting my posts (which were honest (if ill-informed) questions) confused with the typical bullshit, which I would characterize as: completely unsubstantiated claims presented as facts and stream-of-consciousness inanity, often delivered in a new, unnecessary thread, and members who equate post-count with penis-length strutting around trying to pick/provoke fights and embarrass other posters into silence.

Not pointing fingers, just differentiating. Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Bruno]

The more and more I think about this whole situation, the more I think that this is the most likely scenario. By floating Tony Parker trade rumors, the Spurs raise George Hill's value. The effect wouldn't be huge, but even if it's just a few spots upward in the draft, it could make all the difference if they've got someone in particular targeted.

As much as I like Hill, trading Hill makes a lot more sense than trading Parker. Parker is a huge part of your current core who you just locked up for 4 years. He's an All-Star, and a big part of what makes the offense run. George Hill is a combo guard on a team that suddenly finds itself crowded at the 2. He's on the last year of his rookie contract, and he'll be looking for a decent payday next summer. If Parker is still around, the Spurs will want to give him bench/role player money. Given his potential and previous play, other teams might be willing to give him starter money. As the Spurs, if you're worried about this at all, you trade him now while his value is highest.

Yep, Spurs having Neal and Anderson in addition of Manu at SG makes Hill a less interesting player.

Another news to consider is the damn strange Motiejunas workout. It fits very well with Spurs getting a pick for Hill (same area).

[Bruno]

Come on Bruno, not everybody thought it was dumb. There was a very vocal cadre of pro-RJ and pro-Bonner people on this board and unfortunately in the Spurs FO. :depressed

:lol

[baseline bum]

Bargnani plays bigger than Jefferson. And you forgot that the spurs will be adding Cousins who is better than Bonner. So yes there is an upgrade on the frontline.

Bargnani is charmin-soft. And Cousins would be nice, but you're also suggesting Jason Thompson as an option. Thompson is a prototypical bust. He might be a guy to throw a small and short term deal at in free agency, but no way you trade an allstar for him. And Kemba Walker? What do you see in this guy at the NBA level? If being a winner in college was enough you'd see guys like Mateen Cleaves and Hansbrough tearing up the NBA. If Walker can't be efficient against lousy NCAA defense I don't see how he survives the NBA. It would be one thing if he was just a kid like Jrue Holiday was or had ridiculous athleticism like Westbrook, but he's had 3 years and is still just a volume scorer.

[cheguevara]

Come on Bruno, not everybody thought it was dumb. There was a very vocal cadre of pro-RJ and pro-Bonner people on this board and unfortunately in the Spurs FO. :depressed

Well RJ worked hard all summer and came in playing lights out. I can see why RC would give him another chance. And the longer year term was to get us some cap space last year.

I don't think anybody was Pro Bonner though. Except maybe Bonner's wife. She posts as Chazley in this forum

[baseline bum]

Come on Bruno, not everybody thought it was dumb. There was a very vocal cadre of pro-RJ and pro-Bonner people on this board and unfortunately in the Spurs FO. :depressed

And everyone said it was ridiculous when I kept saying the Spurs would be better off letting Jefferson walk for nothing as opposed to resigning him. :depressed

[DPG21920]

While it's definitely concerning, I can't really see TP being moved.

[Mal]

WTF ? Spurs going up for Valanciunas who has fuck up buyout, and Spurs never were good in buyouts things

[LkrFan]

Lamar Odom and Blake for TP. :tu

[objective]

WTF ? Spurs going up for Valanciunas who has fuck up buyout, and Spurs never were good in buyouts things

that's where you're wrong!

Valanciunas or Montiejunas staying overseas and having buyout issues will be perfect for when they need sweetener in order to dump Bonner in summer 2013.

[Mal]

that's where you're wrong!

Valanciunas or Montiejunas staying overseas and having buyout issues will be perfect for when they need sweetener in order to dump Bonner in summer 2013.

So generaly it is like giving up dream of Timmy`s 5th. Just get his huge contract expire, play and improve Hill as starting PG, wait for Valanciunas (Montiejunas isnt worth of Parker) and play Hill, Jonas, Tiago, old Manu , old Timmy in 2013, and probably Anderson, Butler and whoever is coming from Kings with theirs pick.

[eric365]

Dirty move by the FO if they do that

Parker has played for the spurs for 10 years, 3 championships, a final MVP etc... Accepted a 12 Mil / year contract not fully guarenteed the last year when every one was widely overpaid in free agency

And you send him in Sacramento or Toronto before the first game of this contract ?

I could understand not being loyal but it has to be for a great offer, not to get Cassipi and the 7 pick in a bad draft

[Mr. Body]

Dude, he's paid millions to play basketball. They can trade his ass anywhere they want.

[Trill Clinton]

Dirty move by the FO if they do that

Parker has played for the spurs for 10 years, 3 championships, a final MVP etc... Accepted a 12 Mil / year contract not fully guarenteed the last year when every one was widely overpaid in free agency

And you send him in Sacramento or Toronto before the first game of this contract ?

I could understand not being loyal but it has to be for a great offer, not to get Cassipi and the 7 pick in a bad draft

It's a business, bruh.

[Duncan2177]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6689841

[ace3g]

RealSkipBayless Skip Bayless
Spurs GM RCBuford smartest drafter in NBA. If he wants to trade Tony Parker for No. 5 or 7 pick, great. RC knows something others don't.

Here is my trade with the Kings: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6jclxfo

[FromWayDowntown]

Since the Spurs are allegedly shopping Parker and/or Hill for picks, I wonder if this can be a precursor to the problems that may come with a hard cap under a renegotiated CBA. If the Spurs are anticipating a hard cap (or at least one with less flexibility), it may make a lot of sense to deal Parker now and get reasonable value for him than to wait to try to make a deal in the aftermath of a new cap, in a market flooded with higher earners who have to be moved.

From a basketball standpoint, it would seem to be a no-brainer that it is better to deal Hill for a pick that isn't appreciably lower than the pick you might get in return for Parker -- particularly in this draft. But if there's a longer view of this that touches the next CBA, dealing Parker makes a whole lot of sense.

[cheguevara]

^ Bingo

when the Lakers + Spurs are doing similar things, you know something is up

[joshdaboss]

He fucked a teammate's wife and then threw his other teammates under the bus by telling the media that a 61 win team's title window was closed. I can see why the Spurs would want to ship this piece of shit out of town.

You may be trolling, but you're also 100% correct.

[5in10]

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6/22/2237376/determining-richard-jeffersons-value#comments

Dont know how I came across this but look at all the fools in the message board thinking that Jefferson is still a decent player. Maybe its just us spurs fans that understand hes a gut-less coward. Some of them literally had me cracking up.

[lurker23]

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6/22/2237376/determining-richard-jeffersons-value#comments

Dont know how I came across this but look at all the fools in the message board thinking that Jefferson is still a decent player. Maybe its just us spurs fans that understand hes a gut-less coward. Some of them literally had me cracking up.

The thing is, I actually think he could still be somewhat productive in a different system. Not $10mil/yr productive, mind you, but a heckuva lot better than he is in the Spurs system.

[baseline bum]

Since the Spurs are allegedly shopping Parker and/or Hill for picks, I wonder if this can be a precursor to the problems that may come with a hard cap under a renegotiated CBA. If the Spurs are anticipating a hard cap (or at least one with less flexibility), it may make a lot of sense to deal Parker now and get reasonable value for him than to wait to try to make a deal in the aftermath of a new cap, in a market flooded with higher earners who have to be moved.


I don't think it makes that much sense there either. Certainly contracts will be grandfathered in for 2011-12 at least. Then Tim will most likely retire after next year, clearing $21 million off the payroll. Manu becomes a $14 million expiring contract for 2012-13, so he could possibly land a nice young player from a team that needs to get out of a contract. Meanwhile the Spurs will be ok to take back a lousy contract since they'll be in the lottery and tanking for picks, not spending on free agents to win now.

[joshdaboss]

Why is nobody talking about Bismack Biyombo? Where is this fellow supposed to go in the draft? He's just what the Spurs need; a strong, defensive beast. He also seems to have a great work ethic and extremely willing to be coached.

[SenorSpur]

Why is nobody talking about Bismack Biyombo? Where is this fellow supposed to go in the draft? He's just what the Spurs need; a strong, defensive beast. He also seems to have a great work ethic and extremely willing to be coached.

You said it. THIS is the kid they should be after. He could be paired with either Duncan or Splitter and would instantly improve their faulty interior defense. There's no question that Biyombo would solidfy the PF position on this team for years to come.

If the Spurs were to somehow position themselves and then surprise us all by taking this guy, I would be absolutely ecstatic. I"m hopeful that they are secretly targeting this kid.

[joshdaboss]

You said it. THIS is the kid they should be after. He could be paired with either Duncan or Splitter and would instantly improve their faulty interior defense. There's no question that Biyombo would solidfy the PF position on this team for years to come.

If the Spurs were to somehow position themselves and then surprise us all by taking this guy, I would be absolutely ecstatic. I"m hopeful that they are secretly targeting this kid.

You should hear some interviews with this kid. I'm really impressed by his demeanor. Although, I do think the Spurs need a personality on the team with a little more of an edge, this guy seems like exactly the type of player the Spurs like, in terms of character.

edit: It also doesn't hurt that he's got a body and athleticism like LeBron James.

[ace3g]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Tony Parker says he loves Spurs and wants to finish career with franchise. Says quotes of Spurs on downslide false.

[SenorSpur]

You should hear some interviews with this kid. I'm really impressed by his demeanor. Although, I do think the Spurs need a personality on the team with a little more of an edge, this guy seems like exactly the type of player the Spurs like, in terms of character.

I've heard the same thing about him. I watched some additional clips on him today. Besides being a devastating shot-blocker and defender, he's also a better low-post offensive player than people think.

There is no question in my mind that he could transform this franchise as he is now. With some work and development, he could, quite possibly, become a great player in this league.

I really hope this will the "rabbit in the hat" that the Spurs are after.

[joshdaboss]

I've heard the same thing about him. I watched some additional clips on him today. Besides being a devastating shot-blocker and defender, he's also a better low-post offensive player than people think.

There is no question in my mind that he could transform this franchise as he is now. With some work and development, he could, quite possibly, become a great player in this league.

I really hope this will the "rabbit in the hat" that the Spurs are after.

Right. The only thing that concerns me would be, in trading Parker, it would mean a heavily increased work load on Duncan and Manu offensively. At their advanced ages, I'm not sure that they can do that for an entire season+playoffs. Hill is a very good all-around player, but he isn't great in the pick and roll.

I would love if they could do a deal with Toronto if Biyombo is still there.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=66may8c

This gives you a guard that is great in the pick and roll. A guard that would more naturally get Jefferson his touches in places where he's comfortable. It also gives you a former #1 overall pick. A 7' player that can stretch it to the 3 and put it on the floor. His size alone can alter shots defensively. It would give the Spurs a HUGE front line with Duncan/Splitter/Bargnani.

I'd prefer if they could get Cousins instead, but that's a bit less realistic, in my estimation.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

@DraftExpress
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Cannot believe Sacramento is legitimately considering taking on Richard Jefferson's awful contract AND giving up the #7 pick. Terrible tradehttp://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/83653590652166144

[TJastal]

You do everything this summer:
- Trade Parker for expiring/cap space/prospects/picks.
- Trade Ginobili for expiring/cap space/prospects/picks.
- Trade Bonner for expiring contract.
- Fire Pop and go after a young coach.
- Let Duncan retire or chase a last ring with a contender.
- If there is an amnesty rule, use it on RJ. Otherwise keep RJ instead of using assets to dump him.

LOL @ completely dismantling a 60+ win team that just needs one or two key roster changes/tweaks... makes no sense.

[ducks]

LOL @ completely dismantling a 60+ win team that just needs one or two key roster changes/tweaks... makes no sense.

if you trade parker you start over
not a hard concept

[Brutalis]

Spurs receive:
Jason Thompson
Omri Casspi
Francisco Garcia
7th Overall Pick

Kings Receive:
Tony Parker
Richard Jefferson
29th Overall Pick

Now something along these lines I would agree to :lol but not Tony for the 7. That makes no sense.
It would be a great thing for the Spurs to acquire Thompson. I would love this trade.

But of course Sacramento would be ignorant to do this deal.

To be done with RJ once and for all and acquire a talented young big and a nice pick would be the best thing for the Spurs to get out of Parker.

[Brutalis]

http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/83653590652166144

Oh snap!!!

In all seriousness the Spurs haven't had a rather large trade in so many years.. I can't honestly remember... it would be about time for a surprise..

[TJastal]

if you trade parker you start over
not a hard concept

Right, because Parker is such an integral piece of the puzzle that can't be replaced.

[ducks]

you know it took 2 years for duncan to trust his point guard right
do you think duncan will trust another point guard right away
manu will trust him right away to?
pop will trust him to?
chemistry takes awhile
see heat....