Spurs fielding trade calls for Parker [Archive] - Page 3

timvp

06-22-2011, 05:22 PM

TD 21

06-22-2011, 05:23 PM

It would be a great thing for the Spurs to acquire Thompson. I would love this trade.

But of course Sacramento would be ignorant to do this deal.

To be done with RJ once and for all and acquire a talented young big and a nice pick would be the best thing for the Spurs to get out of Parker.

Thompson is a quality second big. But he's like a poor man's Aldridge, in that he lacks athleticism and mobility. He would not be a good fit next to Duncan defensively and he's not a good enough prospect going forward for that to be a secondary issue.

Hopefully the Spurs are exhausting every avenue to rid themselves of Jefferson. McDyess' contract, Blair, the 29th pick, even next year's 1st unprotected, should all be on the table (not all in one trade though). One of Hill, Anderson or Neal shouldn't be ruled out either, depending on the return.

I'd rather they do that, then trade Parker for #7 and Casspi, even if they are able to rid themselves of Jefferson in the process. Not only is the return not great, but what a slap in the face it would be to Duncan and Ginobili. I agree with timvp, I'd rather they keep the big three intact, re-work some of the pieces around them and continue trying to contend.

it's me

06-22-2011, 05:26 PM

you know it took 2 years for duncan to trust his point guard right
do you think duncan will trust another point guard right away
manu will trust him right away to?
pop will trust him to?
chemistry takes awhile
see heat....

Shut the fuck up idiot..................... stop talking nonsense and start thinking on what team to root for .............. trust? chemistry? the ponnys won with fucking Barea and old man Kidd at PG.............. that position is overrated imho.

SenorSpur

06-22-2011, 05:26 PM

As stated earlier, Vesely, is the player the Spurs are targeting in the top 10. However, the key here are Toronto and Washington.

Colangelo was apparently really high on Vesely, but has since cooled off. Washington is/was interested in Vesely, too, yet if they can position themselves for Kanter, they will take him.

Either way, if Vesely is gone by 7, the Kings deal is off.

As mentioned, Vesely is an intriguing player. He is not your typical Euro, and will attack the rim relentlessly. He is that long 3 that everyone on this board has desired. If you watch video's of him, he has flashes of Manu Ginobili. The kid is fearless and has played against top Euro competition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zlB5w08_Es

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QZxGrVco3o

The second video is a pretty good break down.

As I mentioned in another thread, I like Vessly a lot, but he's not a fit for the Spurs. He's an open-court, attack-the-basket, kind of player. He doesn't shoot well from beyond the arc. Meanwhile, the Spurs prefer their SFs to setup in the corners and become perimeter shooters. It didn't work for RJ and it wouldn't work with this kid. Unless the Spurs are planning on revamping their offense, I don't see this as a match.

TJastal

06-22-2011, 05:37 PM

Shut the fuck up idiot..................... stop talking nonsense and start thinking on what team to root for .............. trust? chemistry? the ponnys won with fucking Barea and old man Kidd at PG.............. that position is overrated imho.

38 year old Kidd & Barea indeed. But we can't trust George Hill to run the show, because we've never seen him run a pick and roll. :rolleyes

Speaking of trust, I wonder if Timmy & Manu trust TP around their wives since the whole sexting scandal?

I'm betting they keep an eye on him whenever he's around and probably have scrolled their wives' phone at least once looking for inappropriate texts from Tony since it happened. :lol

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 05:49 PM

:shootme Ric Bucher just reported (very matter of factly) that Klay Thompson is the Spurs object of desire.

Trade TP for Mike Miller. Awesome.

4>0rings

06-22-2011, 05:53 PM

-The best idea to me is to keep the Big 3 together and to shake up the supporting cast. Getting Parker to believe again would be easier than to begin some sort of half-assed rebuilding project. Because really, if you trade TP, you might as well trade Manu and rebuild for real.
This.

Spurs landed #1 spot in the West, so the Spurs still have it and can compete so a total rebuild isn't necessary. Spurs just need to figure out their big men and try and secure that area up, Bonner/Blair are not securing that spot.

I truley think Pop is just majorly butt hurt about Tony's comments and wants to trade him just for making those comments.

2Cleva

06-22-2011, 05:55 PM

MHeislerLATimes Mark Heisler
FORGET 'RUMORED,' MYSTERY MAN SPURS WANT TO TRADE UP FOR IS DEFINITELY KLAY THOMPSON... Due in NY yesterday, detoured to SA to meet Pop, RC

shyne

06-22-2011, 06:01 PM

Fuck that shit, they better not trade Tony for Clay fucking Thompson.

Drewlius

06-22-2011, 06:03 PM

^^^^^ please no.

TD 21

06-22-2011, 06:04 PM

:shootme Ric Bucher just reported (very matter of factly) that Klay Thompson is the Spurs object of desire.

Trade TP for Mike Miller. Awesome.

That makes no sense. What is their obsession with not all that athletic, good shooting/mediocre defending two guards? The only logical explanation is that it would be a precursor to another trade, involving either Anderson or Neal. But if that were the case, we'd probably be hearing rumors.

baseline bum

06-22-2011, 06:06 PM

FML if that's true. Tony Parker for an average shooting guard prospect? How many mediocre shooting guards does this team need on its roster with Hill, Anderson, and Neal already there?

NASpurs

06-22-2011, 06:09 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/category/_/name/draft-reports

Sources say the Rockets and Spurs are interested in Jonas Valanciunas (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&playerId=19523) if he ends up sliding. The Spurs also are eying Washington State's Klay Thompson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&playerId=19450), according to sources.

San Antonio has offered George Hill to at least one team in the late lottery in an attempt to get into the first 14 picks if it can’t move Tony Parker to Sacramento or Toronto for a spot in the top 10. The Spurs obviously can only move one of the two points -- if at all -- and are attempting to include Richard Jefferson in the deal.

Leetonidas

06-22-2011, 06:09 PM

Jesus fuck this better not be true.

shyne

06-22-2011, 06:09 PM

Pop and RC cant be be this fucking stupid can they?

Leetonidas

06-22-2011, 06:10 PM

Seriously what the fuck? Why do we need ANOTHER undersized two guard? We need a fucking REAL point guard, a small forward, and a center. :pctoss

DesignatedT

06-22-2011, 06:10 PM

No way the Spurs trade Tony for Thompson. Hill for Thompson I could see although it still doesn't make much sense but that could eventually be a good trade.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 06:11 PM

tim_duncan_fan

06-22-2011, 06:11 PM

This has to be some CIA shit.

Everyone and their mothers know that while RJ sucks Dick at basketball, swingman was not our biggest problem.

We're trying to get a big.

Leetonidas

06-22-2011, 06:13 PM

I normally think that CIA Pop is bullshit but they can't be this stupid right? They have to be doing something else right??

NASpurs

06-22-2011, 06:14 PM

Oh Pop Troll, you so crazy

http://i.imgur.com/SZ6ml.png

Mugen

06-22-2011, 06:14 PM

Pop has been one of the dumbest coaches in this league for a while but even i don't think he's that dumb to pull a TP trade centered around Klay Thompson.

shyne

06-22-2011, 06:14 PM

I'd rather them fucking trade parker/Dick for Josh smith/hinrich

The ADMIRAL 50

06-22-2011, 06:17 PM

If we lost hill and the end game was klay Thompson now that would be something I could get behind. Hills position can't be defined whereas Thompson is a true 2 with upside, crazy size at the position and good shooting. But seriously; If this franchise got rid of tony parker, tony parker, and the grand prize was an unproven rookie out of wash st I might cry. Thompson is a player I thought was a sleeper though, if he slipped to late lottery and we traded hill I would definitely be cautiously optimistic, perhaps even delude myself quickly into hysteria.

rascal

06-22-2011, 06:32 PM

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Tony Parker says he loves Spurs and wants to finish career with franchise. Says quotes of Spurs on downslide false.

He is getting afraid of being shipped off to Toronto, Minn or Sac.

baseline bum

06-22-2011, 06:40 PM

:lmao You know this is bad when Jon Barry, yes Jon Barry is flat out saying "if this is true, you are way undervaluing TP on the market. You have to get more than Thompson. Especially when you have plenty of shooters and James Anderson in the wings. It makes no sense to me what they are doing"

:lol

It's times like this that make me recall what ducks once told me.... If Pop when shooters go, so was CIA.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 06:41 PM

It's times like this that make me recall what ducks once told me.... If Pop when shooters go, so was CIA.

:lol

crc21209

06-22-2011, 08:06 PM

My thoughts:

-I have to admit TP made me mad when he said the Spurs had no chance going forward. Even if it's true, a team with any sort of hope of contending can't have their starting point guard waving a white flag before the offseason even begins. I know he has tried to take back his comments but deep down, I bet TP thinks the run is over. That's a problem.

-But even a disbelieving TP is worth a lot more than a lottery pick in a weak draft. Straight up for a lottery pick is a joke. Adding an average talent to go along with a lottery pick (say Omri Casspi) is still a joke. You gotta get more than that for TP.

-If the Spurs use TP to salary dump Richard Jefferson, that would be unforgivable. Everyone knew RJ's contract was horrible when he was signed. Getting rid of RJ's contract would be very nice. But to do so using TP as bait? It'd be a low point in franchise history.

-If, IF, the Spurs really do want to trade TP, you gotta get back at least a starting quality point guard plus a couple other plug-and-play pieces. I'd actually prefer a roleplayer who can produce right away than a draft pick in this weak draft.

-The best idea to me is to keep the Big 3 together and to shake up the supporting cast. Getting Parker to believe again would be easier than to begin some sort of half-assed rebuilding project. Because really, if you trade TP, you might as well trade Manu and rebuild for real.

And this is exactly why timvp is the motherfuckin' man around here. Sure TP might have pissed some people off, but people are missing the point. He's still a major piece of this team. Without him, all the easy fastbreak buckets are gone, and so could some of the open looks for 3-point shooters with all the space TP takes up driving the lane. And this draft isnt very strong anyway, so they sure as hell better not just trade him for a pick...that would be beyond fucking stupid. I want to see this Big 3 die out TOGETHER. Why not? The Mavs just proved that a little tinkering can go a loooong way in the NBA. They held on to Terry and Dirk, and it got them a championship this year. The Spurs just need to roll with the Big 3, and a new supporting cast. I'm all in for seeing what TD, Manu, TP, Neal, Anderson, Splitter and a couple of other guys can do. If that means getting rid of guys like RJ, Bonner (Please somebody take him!), Blair, and Hill, then so be it.....

crc21209

06-22-2011, 08:08 PM

:lmao You know this is bad when Jon Barry, yes Jon Barry is flat out saying "if this is true, you are way undervaluing TP on the market. You have to get more than Thompson. Especially when you have plenty of shooters and James Anderson in the wings. It makes no sense to me what they are doing"

:lol

It's common fucking sense. Tony is worth WAY more than a fucking draft pick. If they trade him, it better be for a draft pick or multiple picks, and 2 or 3 players who have already proven themselves in the NBA......

jimo2305

06-22-2011, 08:15 PM

plus #5 pick sons..

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6k95gmj

u know u want it.. lol

mando6599

06-22-2011, 08:50 PM

Here's what I just caught following McDonald on twitter.

KLAY TO THE SPURS--OOPS.... Spurs also want to unload RJ and the three years and $30 mill left on his deal.... As if, er, no takers yet.

FORGET 'RUMORED,' MYSTERY MAN SPURS WANT TO TRADE UP FOR IS DEFINITELY KLAY THOMPSON... Due in NY yesterday, detoured to SA to meet Pop, RC

This was retweeted by McDonald from Mark Heisler from the LA Times.

Here's a clip of Thompson, son of Lakers big man Mychal Thompson, analyzing his game.
http://seattle.sbnation.com/washington-st-cougars/2011/6/22/2238155/2011-nba-draft-klay-thompson-golden-state-warriors-challenges

Chieflion

06-22-2011, 08:50 PM

If the Spurs are indeed going to trade away Tony Parker, I would expect nothing less than the 5th pick in return for him and no shitty contracts back. And the 5th pick assuming that Brandon Knight is still there on the board, otherwise Parker might as well stay.

DesignatedT

06-22-2011, 08:52 PM

If they trade Tony for just a pick it better be #2.

shyne

06-22-2011, 08:53 PM

One league source said the chances of the Spurs reaching a deal with the Kings isn’t likely.

From yahoo article that just went up 20 minutes ago.

NASpurs

06-22-2011, 08:58 PM

One league source said the chances of the Spurs reaching a deal with the Kings isn’t likely.

From yahoo article that just went up 20 minutes ago.

Guessing it's this one?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ah6hOeZatZ.sE.HF.LQVxyW8vLYF?slug=mc-spears_tony_parker_spurs_nba_draft_062211

Parker hopes to stay with Spurs

NEW YORK – Tony Parker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527/news) reiterated Wednesday that he hopes to remain with the San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/) – even if the choice isn’t up to him.

The Spurs have had discussions about trading Parker for a high pick in Thursday’s NBA draft, Yahoo! Sports reported Tuesday. The Toronto Raptors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/tor/) and Sacramento Kings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sac/), who hold the fifth and seventh picks, respectively, have talked to the Spurs about Parker. One league source said the chances of the Spurs reaching a deal with the Kings isn’t likely.
Spurs guard George Hill (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4488/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4488/news) also has drawn some trade interest from teams with picks in the middle of the lottery.

Parker said he hopes to finish his career in San Antonio.
“I just hope I stay in San Antonio,” said Parker, who is in town for Steve Nash’s (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103/news) charity soccer game. “I love it in San Antonio. I’ve had some great years in San Antonio. I just re-signed four years and I hope I can stay there.”

When asked specifically about possibly being dealt to Toronto or Sacramento, Parker said only: “We will see. I love it in San Antonio.”
Parker, 29, has played for the Spurs his entire 10-year NBA career after the team drafted him 28th in 2001. He averaged 17.5 points and 6.6 assists this season and signed a four-year, $50 million extension in October that begins next season. Only $3.5 million of $12.5 million in the final season (2014-15) is guaranteed if Parker is waived by June 30, 2014.

Parker helped the Spurs to the Western Conference’s best record this season, but didn’t play well early in their first-round loss to the eighth-seeded Memphis Grizzlies (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/mem/). Shortly after the Spurs’ exit, French media reported that Parker said the team’s days of contending for championships had all but ended. Parker has since tried to distance himself from the comments.

“That’s not what I said, so I’m not going to talk about that,” Parker said. “I don’t want to talk about that.”

Raptors guard Leandro Barbosa (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3731/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3731/news) was on his way to meet Parker at a local club Tuesday night when he was told about his team’s trade conversations with the Spurs. Barbosa, who believes the Raptors talked with the Spurs, didn’t end up meeting Parker, but planned to have dinner with him on Wednesday.

“I told him [via text message], ‘Are you going to play with me?’ ” Barbosa said. “He said, ‘Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.’

“I would love to play with him. You never know what can happen in the NBA. I guess we got to wait and see what’s up.”

crc21209

06-22-2011, 08:59 PM

One league source said the chances of the Spurs reaching a deal with the Kings isn’t likely.

From yahoo article that just went up 20 minutes ago.

Link?

shyne

06-22-2011, 08:59 PM

ya that one

crc21209

06-22-2011, 09:00 PM

Guessing it's this one?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ah6hOeZatZ.sE.HF.LQVxyW8vLYF?slug=mc-spears_tony_parker_spurs_nba_draft_062211

Parker hopes to stay with Spurs

NEW YORK – Tony Parker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527/news) reiterated Wednesday that he hopes to remain with the San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/) – even if the choice isn’t up to him.

The Spurs have had discussions about trading Parker for a high pick in Thursday’s NBA draft, Yahoo! Sports reported Tuesday. The Toronto Raptors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/tor/) and Sacramento Kings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sac/), who hold the fifth and seventh picks, respectively, have talked to the Spurs about Parker. One league source said the chances of the Spurs reaching a deal with the Kings isn’t likely.
Spurs guard George Hill (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4488/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4488/news) also has drawn some trade interest from teams with picks in the middle of the lottery.

Parker said he hopes to finish his career in San Antonio.
“I just hope I stay in San Antonio,” said Parker, who is in town for Steve Nash’s (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103/news) charity soccer game. “I love it in San Antonio. I’ve had some great years in San Antonio. I just re-signed four years and I hope I can stay there.”

When asked specifically about possibly being dealt to Toronto or Sacramento, Parker said only: “We will see. I love it in San Antonio.”
Parker, 29, has played for the Spurs his entire 10-year NBA career after the team drafted him 28th in 2001. He averaged 17.5 points and 6.6 assists this season and signed a four-year, $50 million extension in October that begins next season. Only $3.5 million of $12.5 million in the final season (2014-15) is guaranteed if Parker is waived by June 30, 2014.

Parker helped the Spurs to the Western Conference’s best record this season, but didn’t play well early in their first-round loss to the eighth-seeded Memphis Grizzlies (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/mem/). Shortly after the Spurs’ exit, French media reported that Parker said the team’s days of contending for championships had all but ended. Parker has since tried to distance himself from the comments.

“That’s not what I said, so I’m not going to talk about that,” Parker said. “I don’t want to talk about that.”

Raptors guard Leandro Barbosa (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3731/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3731/news) was on his way to meet Parker at a local club Tuesday night when he was told about his team’s trade conversations with the Spurs. Barbosa, who believes the Raptors talked with the Spurs, didn’t end up meeting Parker, but planned to have dinner with him on Wednesday.

“I told him [via text message], ‘Are you going to play with me?’ ” Barbosa said. “He said, ‘Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.’

“I would love to play with him. You never know what can happen in the NBA. I guess we got to wait and see what’s up.”

Thanks! :toast

spurtech09

06-22-2011, 09:12 PM

parker ain't going no where:hat

manufan10

06-22-2011, 09:20 PM

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard

I'm told Minny taking D Will if don't trade no. 2 pick...Kanter talk is a smokescreen...Sac not trading for TParker b/c of TP's contract...

crc21209

06-22-2011, 09:21 PM

Interesting.....

shyne

06-22-2011, 09:24 PM

Good let the big three go out together, we as fans have to face the fact that this era is just about done.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 09:26 PM

Because of TP's contract? What they hell. It is a very reasonable contract that is not even fully guaranteed (41M for 4 years = ~10M per year).

Mal

06-22-2011, 09:26 PM

plus #5 pick sons..

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6k95gmj

u know u want it.. lol

Hmm I`ll do it, but without Hill. Spurs could send pick, Blair, whatever. Calderon couldnt stay healthy whole season and Spurs havent got any backup

manufan10

06-22-2011, 09:27 PM

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard

No chance S Nash goes to NYK or Minny....Ray Felton to Sac for No. 7 a possibility....

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 09:27 PM

So Sacto wants a "win-now" vet that is still in his prime that can propel them into the playoffs for what averages out to less than 10M per year. Good luck.

Pistons < Spurs

06-22-2011, 09:57 PM

Alex Kennedy - 06/22/2011 10:43pm EST-

The San Antonio Spurs and Portland Trail Blazers nearly completed a blockbuster trade on Wednesday afternoon, but the deal fell apart in the late stages. San Antonio was prepared to ship Tony Parker and the #29 pick to Portland in exchange for Andre Miller, Nicolas Batum and the #21 pick, but the trade died when the Spurs insisted that Richard Jefferson somehow be included in the deal. Other players would have been included in the trade to make salaries work. Talks have quieted for now, but they could pick back up tomorrow if one of the teams has a change of heart.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20170#ixzz1Q42kiZJ2

DesignatedT

06-22-2011, 10:00 PM

Wow. If RJ is somehow included and they added another piece then that would be awesome.

shyne

06-22-2011, 10:00 PM

shit i might do that deal

manufan10

06-22-2011, 10:00 PM

JMcDonald_SAEN Jeff McDonald

According to Western Conference source, Spurs-Kings still talking vis a vis Tony Parker. Deal still considered "a long shot."

ducks

06-22-2011, 10:02 PM

hoopsworld LOL

shyne

06-22-2011, 10:02 PM

Jeff Mcdonald doesnt know shit.

Russo21

06-22-2011, 10:02 PM

Parker and RJ to Sacaramento for Evans, Cousins and Casspi ROFL sacto would not do that but it'd be sweet. Screw tony he doesnt think we can win and he screwed a very popular teammates/ex teammates wife and cheated on his hot wife eva in the process so fuck off out of san antonio.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=658py8c

DeMarcus Cousins...........6'11 260lbs 14pts 9 reb 20 years old
Tim Duncan
Omri Casspi....................6'9" 10pts 37% 3PTFG 22 years old
Manu Ginobili
Tyreke Evans.................6'6" 18pts 6ast 5 reb 1.5stl 21 years old

Suck on that rest of the NBA. Size, length, offense, defense athleticism and stability, youth and experience. Save money and get bigger and better. Set for the championship this year and well equipped for life after TD and Manu. Sacto would hang up on RC if he called offering that swap lol

MannyIsGod

06-22-2011, 10:03 PM

LOL @ Sac balking at Tony's contract as if its unreasonable at all. Thats a crock of shit and tells me all I need to know about that rumor.

Dex

06-22-2011, 10:03 PM

Wow. Crazy deal right there.

Big P

06-22-2011, 10:04 PM

Alex Kennedy: The Spurs and Blazers nearly completed a blockbuster deal involving Tony Parker, Andre Miller and Nicolas Batum: http://tinyurl.com/6gh8fjg about 5 minutes ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q44GtS71

shyne

06-22-2011, 10:05 PM

The Maloof faggots probaly make Tony's salary in a couple nights at their casino

Russo21

06-22-2011, 10:07 PM

Damn i woulda been happy if that went down! #579 it's good to see the Front Office trying to get something big done

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 10:08 PM

WTF! That is a damn terrible deal for the Spurs. TP + 29th pick for f*cking Andre Miller and Batum just to move up 8 spots in a completely shit draft.

I am going to be furious if that happens. Even if RJ is included.

Batum is a marginal talent and not worth giving TP up for. It's essentially TP for cap space and Batum. F*cking awful.

edgar

06-22-2011, 10:09 PM

Andre miller and batum for an all star???

Are you fn kidding me?! Thats the best tony can get ya?

If deal goes down id be pissed.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 10:11 PM

Luckily, it's Hoopsworld.

Creation88

06-22-2011, 10:11 PM

what if you add Gerald Wallace and Jefferson to the mix?

Pistons < Spurs

06-22-2011, 10:14 PM

Luckily, it's Hoopsworld.

That's normally my point of view with stuff from HoopsWorld, but I actually think Alex Kennedy is pretty damn good and reliable.

edgar

06-22-2011, 10:15 PM

If you add g.wallace then thats a lil better but still not the best. Id rather keep parker than for fn batum. Im glad its hoopsworld haha. I got scared for a bit.

DesignatedT

06-22-2011, 10:17 PM

Yeah, I would do it if RJ was included for Wallace or Matthews.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 10:19 PM

It didn't think the rumors could get WORSE from the SAC/TOR, but this tops it. Hopefully RJ's shit contract that they gave him, which they are now trying to dump by moving TP (if this has any truth to it) hinders them from any deals like this.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 10:21 PM

Luckily, TP for Miller/Batum doesn't work financially.

manufan10

06-22-2011, 10:24 PM

I agree, that Portland trade is horrible. If you possibly add Gerald Wallace, then maybe. But it still would not be a definite yes.

Nathan Explosion

06-22-2011, 10:27 PM

WOAI just reported that the Tony trade rumor also is stating that the Spurs will trade Tony if RJ is included. I was tuning out the report until I heard that.

RC is on record as saying that the Spurs are receiving calls, but are not shopping anyone.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 10:29 PM

This is some bullshit from the F.O. if true. Just flat out bullshit.

I called re-signing RJ as a death blow right as it happened.

tim_duncan_fan

06-22-2011, 10:34 PM

We are coming back with the same team next year.

I know some of you are ok with that, but I'm gonna bitch, moan and cry.

Last season's effort was the ceiling.

I'd rather see ping pong balls than 1st round exits at this point.

objective

06-22-2011, 10:36 PM

That rumored Portland deal is pretty bad, even for a fake Hoopsworld rumor. 8 spots up for an old, ball-dominant expiring point and an admittedly solid step up from horrible RJ?

Bad deal.

I'm becoming torn. The Spurs have extra incentive to trade Parker: Jefferson's insane contract, stupidly supported by so many. But that very insane contract could keep Parker in San Antonio!

It's like the chicken just ate the egg. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 10:37 PM

“I told him [via text message], ‘Are you going to play with me?’ ” Barbosa said. “He said, ‘Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.’

Dude, this was so fucking funny to me that I assumed it was a sportswriting troll. Did anyone else here read that in Tony Parker's laugh?

Nathan Explosion

06-22-2011, 10:37 PM

It's been rumored that Bogut is available as well. We know that Bogut is better than Bonner and Blair, and Splitter, at the moment (we don't know how good Splitter is yet, so Bogut could be better or not in the future too).

Interesting, although I'm not sure what the Bucks would want and if the Spurs want any part of Bogut.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 10:37 PM

I doubt the Spurs would keep Miller in this deal. His value is his fully unguarenteed contract if he's waived by the 29th.

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 10:40 PM

Alex Kennedy - 06/22/2011 10:43pm EST-

The San Antonio Spurs and Portland Trail Blazers nearly completed a blockbuster trade on Wednesday afternoon, but the deal fell apart in the late stages. San Antonio was prepared to ship Tony Parker and the #29 pick to Portland in exchange for Andre Miller, Nicolas Batum and the #21 pick, but the trade died when the Spurs insisted that Richard Jefferson somehow be included in the deal. Other players would have been included in the trade to make salaries work. Talks have quieted for now, but they could pick back up tomorrow if one of the teams has a change of heart.
For the love of FUCKING GOD... GET GREG ODEN INVOLVED IN THIS DEAL. Give them whatever they want. Hill? Done. Blair? Done. Hill and Blair? Gone.

Ice009

06-22-2011, 10:43 PM

This is some bullshit from the F.O. if true. Just flat out bullshit.

I called re-signing RJ as a death blow right as it happened.

Well I wanted Rj back because I didn't think we had any other options and I legitimately thought he would improve.

I was right about him the first month of his first season with the Spurs and wanted him traded in November that season. Only one of a few people that wanted him gone immediately.

I was wrong about him last season though. Should have just went with a minimum salary player last season. You guys were right about that.

I was right and then I was wrong. Stupid stuff.

objective

06-22-2011, 10:43 PM

Charlotte is open to dealing. I posted about it in the Hill thread, but it could work with Parker.

a charlotte media blog (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2011/06/quick-thoughts-on-drafts-eve.html) talking mentioning the "Parker on the block with Jefferson" rumors under their "draft night eve quick thoughts" for the bobcats

One trade I'd consider that works under the old trade rules

Parker + Jefferson + 29

for

Augustin + Jackson + Diop + 9.

Nathan Explosion

06-22-2011, 10:45 PM

For the love of FUCKING GOD... GET GREG ODEN INVOLVED IN THIS DEAL. Give them whatever they want. Hill? Done. Blair? Done. Hill and Blair? Gone.

Oden is a restricted free agent. Portland may let him walk, which would allow the Spurs to sign him if possible. I'm all for signing Oden to a contract with lots of incentives and minimal guaranteed money. Take a flyer on a young, athletic big man who has one leg longer than the other and may never amount to anything? Why not, if he cost the team little to nothing.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 10:46 PM

Oden can't be traded until he has a contract.

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 10:46 PM

Oden is a restricted free agent. Portland may let him walk, which would allow the Spurs to sign him if possible. I'm all for signing Oden to a contract with lots of incentives and minimal guaranteed money. Take a flyer on a young, athletic big man who has one leg longer than the other and may never amount to anything? Why not, if he cost the team little to nothing.

Right. I mean a sign and trade situation. And there's no way in hell they'd even get him for the full MLE.

Buddy Holly

06-22-2011, 10:49 PM

Tony, Richard, 29 for Bogut, Maggette and 10th pick.

Ice009

06-22-2011, 10:50 PM

Tony, Richard, 29 for Bogut, Maggette and 10th pick.

Why would the Bucks want RJ back lol.

That would be like the Spurs trading RJ right now and then trading back for him a few months later.

Nathan Explosion

06-22-2011, 10:51 PM

Tony, Richard, 29 for Bogut, Maggette and 10th pick.

The Bucks wouldn't fall for that. Remember, the Spurs were the team that "fleeced" the Bucks for Jefferson. :lol

manufan10

06-22-2011, 10:51 PM

Tony, Richard, 29 for Bogut, Maggette and 10th pick.

Works on the ESPN Trade Machine.. :lol

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 10:52 PM

Tony, Richard, 29 for Bogut, Maggette and 10th pick.

Why would they do that deal when arguably their best player plays point guard?

manufan10

06-22-2011, 10:52 PM

Why would the Bucks want RJ back lol.

That would be like the Spurs trading RJ right now and then trading back for him a few months later.

Crap. I just remembered that's where the Spurs got him from.. :bang

Ice009

06-22-2011, 10:53 PM

The only way the Bucks would take RJ back is if he has some mystical power that guarantees the Packers winning another Superbowl next season if he is on the basketball team.

Nathan Explosion

06-22-2011, 10:54 PM

Why would they do that deal when arguably their best player plays point guard?

Because their best player is not better than Tony Parker. I saw Jennings play, and he had some moments. But no matter how much some of you all hate Parker now, Jennings is not better than him.

Buddy Holly

06-22-2011, 10:55 PM

Why would the Bucks want RJ back lol.

That would be like the Spurs trading RJ right now and then trading back for him a few months later.

Not really but ok.

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 10:55 PM

Because their best player is not better than Tony Parker. I saw Jennings play, and he had some moments. But no matter how much some of you all hate Parker now, Jennings is not better than him.

Parker is better, but that's not the point. A kindergartener could analyze that deal and come up with the same conclusion I did; laughter.

Nathan Explosion

06-22-2011, 10:59 PM

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 11:01 PM

I heard a podcast where Chad Ford stated the the Bucks FO believes that the team is a playoff contender. Parker would show the fans that the FO is serious about getting to the playoffs, being that Parker is a better player.

It's the East, I'm sure they do. They're also in the business of selling tickets, so even if they didn't, they would say that.

Again, it's absolutely laughable to think that they would trade for Tony Parker, given that their best player currently plays the same position.

Leetonidas

06-22-2011, 11:01 PM

Tony, Richard, 29 for Bogut, Maggette and 10th pick.

Seeing as how Bogut and Maggette are better overall than RJ and Tony and the 10th pick is 19 selections higher than ours, why the fuck would the Bucks do this?

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 11:03 PM

Seeing as how Bogut and Maggette are better overall than RJ and Tony and the 10th pick is 19 selections higher than ours, why the fuck would the Bucks do this?

lol I don't even think the Bucks would trade Bogut for Parker straight up.

Nathan Explosion

06-22-2011, 11:10 PM

Seeing as how Bogut and Maggette are better overall than RJ and Tony and the 10th pick is 19 selections higher than ours, why the fuck would the Bucks do this?

If Bogut is better than Parker, then the Bucks best player doesn't play the same position as Tony.

Either way, if Jennings in the Bucks best player, what does that say about the team that Tony is better than Jennings. Again, I'm not saying the Bucks do this, but not because of Jennings. Tony is a better player, and if Jennings is the Bucks best, then it stands that the Bucks could be better with Tony. Talent is talent, and talent that has championship hardware is much more valuable than an up and down PG.

baseline bum

06-22-2011, 11:11 PM

Shit, these deals just keep getting worse and worse. I half expect Parker to get traded to the Lakers for Luke Walton, Derek Fisher, and the #58.

Nathan Explosion

06-22-2011, 11:11 PM

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 11:13 PM

That's like saying that the Spurs wouldn't trade a player for Chris Paul because Tony is a PG as well. It doesn't matter what position Tony plays, if you can get a better player at the position, then you do it and worry about what to do with the position later.

Wait, so you're saying the Spurs would give up say... Manu, Hill and Blair to get Paul, only to have Tony Parker still here at PG? Yes, I see the logic there.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 11:14 PM

Shit, these deals just keep getting worse and worse. I half expect Parker to get traded to the Lakers for Luke Walton, Derek Fisher, and the #58.

:lmao

itzsoweezee

06-22-2011, 11:21 PM

MHeislerLATimes Mark Heisler: "FORGET 'RUMORED,' MYSTERY MAN SPURS WANT TO TRADE UP FOR IS DEFINITELY KLAY THOMPSON... Due in NY yesterday, detoured to SA to meet Pop, RC"

Are you kidding me? Spurs are trying to ship Parker out for another fucking shooting guard (a mediocre one at that)? Why are these idiots running an NBA franchise?

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 11:23 PM

Spurs FO has done way more good than bad, so they get/deserve the benefit of the doubt.

baseline bum

06-22-2011, 11:27 PM

Spurs FO has done way more good than bad, so they get/deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Not if this Portland deal was offered. The front office needs to be cleaned out if this really was close to being done.

DesignatedT

06-22-2011, 11:30 PM

The Spurs knew they weren't going to make a deal without RJ being involved the whole time. He is the one sparking all of this talk just as many expected. It's all about the Spurs wanting to dump him. Highly doubt any deal gets done that doesn't involve him.

Hopefully they don't get rid of Tony to just get rid of RJ like many have mentioned because that is fucking retarded but I wouldn't mind an Hill/RJ package under the right circumstances.

06-22-2011, 11:31 PM

It would be a sad day if:
1.) we entered next season with essentially the same roster.

or

2.) got rid of tp and rj in a crap trade.

As this thread has progressed, I have to agree with baseline bum. The potential deals being discussed are shit.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 11:32 PM

DesignatedT

06-22-2011, 11:35 PM

I personally would rather keep Tony but I'll also acknowledge that this is probably the last off-season that he will have substantial value... Once he hits that 30 mark his stock will definitely plummet.

That doesn't mean trade him for shit or trade him to just get rid of RJ. That is beyond retarded and I don't necessarily believe that is what's happening here.

ducks

06-22-2011, 11:35 PM

parker if stay healthy market will be ok for 2 years

DesignatedT

06-22-2011, 11:37 PM

parker if stay healthy market will be ok for 2 years

not sure tony stock market stays good after year 2

Gino2882

06-22-2011, 11:39 PM

If the Spurs are dangling TP solely to dump RJ it is a massive failure and they are going to ruin their only "real" trade asset in Tony value-wise. They need to get close to the value they should for TP and then include RJ for it to be done.

No team is gonna give fair value for Parker, and THEN take Jefferson's contract.

Putting Batum at SF would be great, but not at the expense of Parker.

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 11:43 PM

Then you don't trade TP.

crc21209

06-22-2011, 11:45 PM

Whatever happens, tomorrow is going to be one hectic ass day for us here on SpursTalk....

bigdog

06-22-2011, 11:46 PM

I work a 2-10 shift tomorrow. son of a bitch I'm gonna miss the draft!

manufan10

06-22-2011, 11:46 PM

Whatever happens, tomorrow is going to be one hectic ass day for us here on SpursTalk....

Agreed.

ducks

06-22-2011, 11:48 PM

if you are wanting to dump salary and include an asset it would be smarter to include manu then tp

ducks

06-22-2011, 11:49 PM

I work a 2-10 shift tomorrow. son of a bitch I'm gonna miss the draft!

you do not haver a smart phone?

06-22-2011, 11:49 PM

if you are wanting to dump salary and include an asset it would be smarter to include manu then tp

Well, of course ducks, of course it would be smarter.

jimo2305

06-22-2011, 11:52 PM

Whatever happens, tomorrow is going to be one hectic ass day for us here on SpursTalk....

lol yep.. although i admit i would be kinda pissed off if absolutely nothing happened

crc21209

06-22-2011, 11:52 PM

I work a 2-10 shift tomorrow. son of a bitch I'm gonna miss the draft!

Hit me up Adam, I'll keep you updated if you want so you're not lost tomorrow...:lol

Buddy Holly

06-22-2011, 11:54 PM

you do not haver a smart phone?

Not many jobs allow you to be on your smart phone for a couple hours. :lol

DPG21920

06-22-2011, 11:54 PM

The thing that people aren't mentioning (because it sucks) is that as is, the Spurs are already dangerously close to the luxury tax (if there is one). That could be fueling some of this. I know we aren't used to that since the RJ trade, but there was a time when shrewd moves had to be made in order to stay below.

bigdog

06-22-2011, 11:55 PM

Not many jobs allow you to be on your smart phone for a couple hours. :lol

Exactly what I was gonna say. Plus, service inside our building sucks :lol

SenorSpur

06-22-2011, 11:57 PM

joshdaboss

06-22-2011, 11:58 PM

How many here will have insta-boners if Stern comes up in the first 10 picks and announces a trade?

crc21209

06-22-2011, 11:59 PM

Why in the hell would they sacrifice TP for the sake of ridding themselves of RJ's contract? It makes no sense. On second thought, it made no sense to re-up RJ in the first place, but that's for another thread. If they want RJ gone, then package him with Hill.

Exactly what I was thinking. If you took TP out and replaced Hill in that Portland deal then I think I do it. Hill + RJ + 29th pick for Batum, filler, Camby?, and their 21st pick....

jimo2305

06-23-2011, 12:00 AM

How many here will have insta-boners if Stern comes up in the first 10 picks and announces a trade?

heart rate would pick up dramatically :lol

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 12:01 AM

I'm going to call RC to discuss this. BRB

crc21209

06-23-2011, 12:03 AM

I'm going to call RC to discuss this. BRB

Good idea. :tu Let us know what he says....:lol

ElNono

06-23-2011, 12:11 AM

It's patently clear that the priority is not to trade Tony, but to jettison RJ's contract. Unfortunately, not even a Tony in his prime can offset that turd.

The way I see it, if they Spurs do make a deal, they'll have to be the losers in it. That's what happens when you're dumping a bad salary. With that in mind, I don't think they'll make a deal.

It's going to be really awkward for Richard to suit up whenever the next season starts.

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 12:11 AM

Wow. RC just told me that there is NO way TP gets moved for what is being floated around. He said they only way someone gets moved is if they get offered, and I quote, "a no brainer" deal.

ElNono

06-23-2011, 12:12 AM

Why in the hell would they sacrifice TP for the sake of ridding themselves of RJ's contract? It makes no sense. On second thought, it made no sense to re-up RJ in the first place, but that's for another thread. If they want RJ gone, then package him with Hill.

If teams don't want to bite on a borderline All-Star in Tony alongside RJ, what makes you think anybody wants to take Hill+RJ?

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 12:12 AM

Buddy Holly

06-23-2011, 12:14 AM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5w2rels

Tony, Jefferson, Hill, 29th pick

for

Iguodala, Brand, Holiday, 9th pick

Holiday/?
Manu/Neal/Green
Iggy/Anderson/Butler
Brand/Blair/Bonner
Tim/Splitter/Richards?

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 12:15 AM

Buddy, those trades don't make a lot of sense.

ElNono

06-23-2011, 12:15 AM

Are yall kidding me? You do realize that both Hedo Turkoglu and Gilbert Arenas got moved and it didn't take giving up a guy as good as TP to accomplish it.

Both those guys had worse contracts and play than RJ.

When was the last time this FO was able to pull a salary dump like this though? Malik Rose?

024

06-23-2011, 12:16 AM

i expect the spurs to just stand pat with their thumbs stuck up their asses again. resigning jefferson and bonner was the death blow to this team. trading parker would mean the start of rebuilding and we all know how afraid the spurs are of change. and i know i'm going to catch a lot of flak for this but the spurs should have traded ginobili when they had the chance.

jimo2305

06-23-2011, 12:16 AM

blahh fakecoachpop had a presser today..

http://twitter.com/#!/FakeCoachPop/status/83640198101073920

http://twitter.com/#!/FakeCoachPop/status/83640621713203200

http://twitter.com/#!/FakeCoachPop/status/83641437601808384

http://twitter.com/#!/FakeCoachPop/status/83642432897564672

http://twitter.com/#!/FakeCoachPop/status/83643030640398338

http://twitter.com/#!/FakeCoachPop/status/83643864338010112
:lol:lol:lol

Pistons < Spurs

06-23-2011, 12:16 AM

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Before you send Tony Parker anywhere in draft trades, know that Spurs are asking teams to take RJeff as well. Not much interest so far.

tim_duncan_fan

06-23-2011, 12:16 AM

Is reality setting in for all of you too?

We do nothing tonight.

Buddy Holly

06-23-2011, 12:17 AM

Buddy, those trades don't make a lot of sense.

How so?

Ditty

06-23-2011, 12:18 AM

I'm calling in for the draft tommorow, we might not enjoy anything Spurs related for a while.

I wish New York had another solid prospect besides Landry Fields. that would of been nice to get him, and there 17th pick, and would of been nice to get Gallanari, or maybe even Wilson Chandler, oh well there is always if's.

Anyways, it sounds like no one wants RJ even other teams who have a bad contract, and know there player is a bad fit, still won't trade with the Spurs,even if Spurs are throwing in Blair's nice contract, or George Hill. Any team taking RJ's contract would be a plus, even if Parker is used as bait, Spurs could get a TE to get another point guard, and get 2 solid young prospects in Casspi, and maybe whoever they get in the draft, I would be all over it if Thompson was throw in also.I would all be down to trade the 7th pick for the 9th pick and 19th pick, and possibly get 3 or 4 young prospects under 25 for a 29 year old, only 2 or 3 years Tony Parker. Spurs could go for maybe a Andre Miller or Devin Harris with the TE, and still be able to compete, without getting rid of Manu or Duncan, plus have salary cap next summer if the CBA doesn't change too much. Anyways, Parker traded or not, I'm all for giving up Hill for the 12 pick to Utah. I think it will happen if they decide to draft Kanter with the 3rd pick, or maybe Utah sees Hill as a point guard? I don't know.

Buddy Holly

06-23-2011, 12:18 AM

Is reality setting in for all of you too?

We do nothing tonight.

More than likely.

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 12:20 AM

When was the last time this FO was able to pull a salary dump like this though? Malik Rose?

I'm just saying. It shouldn't take dangling TP to move RJ. While his play sucked and his contract is bad, it's no where near a crippling contract for most teams and other guys with far worse contracts and level of play have been moved.

I understand it's bad and RJ is tough to move, but it shouldn't take TP to do it.

joshdaboss

06-23-2011, 12:20 AM

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=67ovpzz

+ Oden signed for around 7 million/year and traded to us.

tim_duncan_fan

06-23-2011, 12:24 AM

RJ likes to buttfuck, but he LOVES to buttfuck the Spurs.

It's revenge for the '03 finals.

Ditty

06-23-2011, 12:24 AM

DesignatedT

06-23-2011, 12:41 AM

This has been all about RJ the whole time. I'm sure they are just looking to see what's out there for other pieces as well... like Tony. It's no secret that his stock is higher now then it ever will be and they know that... regardless of RJ's situation.

jimo2305

06-23-2011, 12:52 AM

dammit RJ!

Nathan89

06-23-2011, 12:56 AM

All I know is some well known forum member said that everyone can be traded. Everyone. I said Everyone.

SenorSpur

06-23-2011, 12:59 AM

and there wont be either.

The rest of the NBA will not view RJ in the same way the Spurs did two seasons ago. This was a marriage that was doomed from the start.

On the right team, RJ still has value in this league. Even though he's already as good as he'll ever be and he's been on the wrong team for two seasons.

Nathan89

06-23-2011, 01:01 AM

There should be a bookie bet for a draft day trade.

buttsR4rebounding

06-23-2011, 01:03 AM

I don't mind that approach. Spurs are giving the "you go by our rules" mind set. Someone will bite on RJ. I think Sacremento will by tommorow, the need a veteran face to that franchise, because no one is coming to Sac especially with the team trying to move out of the city.

RJ is actually an upgrade for the Kings at the 3. He shot higher percentages than any of the 3's they had last year. The Parker, RJ for Caspri and the #7 pick trade seems to actually work well for both teams. I may be in the minority that isn't overly thrilled with it as I am not impressed with Caspri. Although I understand that RC has a woody for him. This would free up a ton of cap space and give the Spurs a great deal of flexibility going forward however.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 01:12 AM

You guys are still talking about this? Go to sleep! Watch a movie! Do that Spring cleaning you put off until Summer! If ANYTHING happens it won't because RC read this thread and said "What a great idea! Why didn't I think of that?!"

Huh? RC seems to be taking TJastal's trolling to heart.

will_spurs

06-23-2011, 01:32 AM

If anything happens we probably won't hear about it until another team is in a position to draft whichever target the Spurs have right now. It would be stupid to announce a trade for a lottery pick right now and have the other teams try to double guess how to screw the Spurs up.

DesignatedT

06-23-2011, 01:46 AM

I guess it's time for bed. Prob wake up to some blockbuster trade.

chazley

06-23-2011, 01:46 AM

Iggy one time.

Nathan Explosion

06-23-2011, 02:56 AM

If the Spurs were in win now mode, wouldn't a Nash for Parker trade work straight up? I'm not saying either team does it, just that it would be nice to see Nash running the Spurs offense.

benefactor

06-23-2011, 06:26 AM

Russo21

06-23-2011, 06:38 AM

lmbebo

06-23-2011, 06:44 AM

TRADE NO. 11: San Antonio trades Tony Parker (50 cents) and DaJuan Blair (quarter) to Cleveland for no. 4 (30 cents), Anderson Varejao (quarter), and $7 million in cap space (20 cents). Final tally: Cleveland (75 cents), San Antonio (75 cents).

Now we're talking! If Cleveland took Williams first, landed Parker for the fourth pick and flipped Varejao for the younger/cheaper Blair, that's their best possible haul for the 2011 draft (and also, the funniest outcome, because David Kahn would suddenly be stuck looking at ANOTHER point guard at no. 2 unless they traded it).16 As for the Spurs, they already have a Parker replacement in house (George Hill); they desperately need someone like Varejao; they desperately need to shave a few million off their cap; they'd be restoring their team karmically and sending Parker off to be strangled with a wire by Clemenza; and they'd be drafting in the top-five for the first time since 1997. Great deal all the way around.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6693430/page/2/painting-nba-trade-picture

sorry if posted, too many pages to read that I haven't. Its an interesting idea at least...

And if we could throw in RJ and take back Baron Davis....

will_spurs

06-23-2011, 06:45 AM

Spurs fucked themselves by resigning RJ after his shithouse first season with us. Were they expecting him to magically pull his finger out of his ass and produce again? Why oh why did they resign that faggot and why oh why was it for so long and for so much $$$ Fuckin idiots, the F/O really fucked up resinging that fag

If they don't sign RJ to this new contract, they don't resign Bonner and they don't sign Splitter either. In retrospect that wouldn't necessarily have been a bad move (we will know for sure if/when Splitter gets some decent PT), but from the front office point of view, knowing how high they were/are on Bonner and how hopeful they were about Splitter, it totally made sense.

You cannot look at things like this in a vacuum.

TJastal

06-23-2011, 06:49 AM

Good morning...trade Parker thread.

In reading all that has been said since I went to sleep, I don't think Parker is going anywhere. The Spurs have screwed themselves badly on RJ's contract and the rest of the league is making that pretty clear to them. If any deal happens today, it will be a deal for Hill to get into the late lottery. Both RJ and TP will be in a Spurs uniform if/when the season starts.

Good morning, Parker homer. A bit of wishful thinking eh? :lol

I think it's pretty obvious the spurs are playing hardball right now but they'll soften up eventually when they find no takers for RJ and move TP somewhere else, probably for something like Casspi + 7th.

buttsR4rebounding

06-23-2011, 07:05 AM

I think trying to work with Cleveland at the #4 pick is promising. They can draft Williams with the #1 pick. Then Minny either has to draft Kanter or let the other top player in the draft go by. They probably trade the pick and Irving gets drafted. Utah takes Knight and Kanter falls to us at 4. He gets tutored by Duncan for a couple of years...and who knows.

Russo21

06-23-2011, 08:03 AM

Russo21

06-23-2011, 08:10 AM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5szjapo

C Tim Duncan
PF Josh Smith
SF Antawn Jamison
SG Manu Ginobili
F/A PG or George Hill if worse comes to worse

TJastal

06-23-2011, 08:13 AM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ezxkx7

Gortat
Duncan
Dudley 42% career 3PFG, career high 46%!
Ginobili
Nash

Gortat is tough and has attitude which the spurs need, dudley can drain the three ball (note: i am unsure of his defense) , manu is manu, and nash would make life so much easier for timmeh and everyone else.

Screw parker, he can go to phoenix and sleep with vince carters wife or something

Why would Phoenix do this? Seeing as Jefferson basically has negative value in any trade with that ridiculous contract, you'd need to throw in Splitter & Neal, + a future pick for them to even pick up the phone.

will_spurs

06-23-2011, 08:14 AM

Russo21

06-23-2011, 08:17 AM

Why would Phoenix do this? Seeing as Jefferson basically has negative value in any trade with that ridiculous contract, you'd need to throw in Splitter & Neal, + a future pick for them to even pick up the phone.

I suppose so. I'm just rambling lol:toast:flag:

TJastal

06-23-2011, 08:25 AM

I'm wondering how much a draft pick is worth, when it comes to trade.

The Cavs have a huge trade exception from Lebron, they could easily absorb Parker + RJ with it and give the Spurs Varejao, the 4th pick and some cap relief.

What are Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions gonna do then while Parker is playing point guard and scoping out their wives? Play hopscotch behind the bench?

pgardn

06-23-2011, 08:28 AM

I could not read every post in this enormous thread.

But...

One item that I did not see that should be reasoned in to all this:

Ginobilli, remember him?, is a better point than Hill imo, much better. I believe it would wear Ginobili down full time, and I know Hill has proven himself expendable, but for those who think we have Zero point if Parker does happen to get shipped, think again. It aint Hill and it aint zero.

I also think it is pretty clear Parker was being sent a "whaddya worth" message, even if the Spurs have no intention of shipping him. He does have a pretty fat contract.

Then the question: If we do want to ship Parker do we:

1. Want a big?
2. Want a guard? I think there are 3 talented guards, none on the level of Parker even 3 years into the future. (Did Miami, LA, Dallas make our brass think we dont need a "true" PG a step below the likes of D. Will, Chris Paul, D. Rose; we dont have the surrounding talent that would allow this imo)
3. Just want to rid ourselves of dollar space, especially if some team coveted Parker enough to take Jefferson with him? (Is it at all possible that Duncan cares enough about the franchise/city, ala Robinson, to take a cut?) ie start over with some old talent remaining in Duncan and Ginobili.

The rest is unimaginably complex if we factor in NBA/players no agreement possibility, trade Parker for something more significant than just a draft pick (ie not just a bench player's expiring contract, etc...) In any event, it will take a blockbuster breakthru for us to be real contenders next season. Note that Chandler/Marion allowed Dallas to play extraordinarily diverse team defense while not interrupting the flow of ball movement on the offensive end. We are not close to this.

Buddy Holly

06-23-2011, 08:29 AM

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 08:31 AM

Watch, spurs are gonna dump Tiago to help dump RJ.

TJastal

06-23-2011, 08:33 AM

Spurs aren't trading Neal and Splitter.

They are if they wanna get rid of Richard Jefferson.

rascal

06-23-2011, 08:34 AM

If they don't sign RJ to this new contract, they don't resign Bonner and they don't sign Splitter either. In retrospect that wouldn't necessarily have been a bad move (we will know for sure if/when Splitter gets some decent PT), but from the front office point of view, knowing how high they were/are on Bonner and how hopeful they were about Splitter, it totally made sense.

You cannot look at things like this in a vacuum.

How do you figure if they let RJ go and don't restructue any contract for him that they could not sign Splitter ( they also should not have signed Bonner again also)?

TJastal

06-23-2011, 08:38 AM

How do you figure if they let RJ go and don't restructue any contract for him that they could not sign Splitter ( they also should not have signed Bonner again also)?

TBH what was even the point of signing Splitter to a contract this year... RC/Pop could have just waited till next year when their was available capspace for as much PT as Splitter got.

In retrospect, all that monkey'ing around with restructuring RJ's contract to make room for Tiago just ended up being a big waste of time and money (for both sides).

rascal

06-23-2011, 08:42 AM

TBH what was even the point of signing Splitter to a contract this year... RC/Pop could have just waited till next year when their was available capspace for as much PT as Splitter got.

In retrospect, all that monkey'ing around with restructuring RJ's contract to make room for Tiago just ended up being a big waste of time and money (for both sides).

They had higher hopes for Splitter coming into last season but he was injured early on and never showed enough for Pop to trust him with much playing time. Splitter was a bust in his first season.

TJastal

06-23-2011, 08:54 AM

They had higher hopes for Splitter coming into last season but he was injured early on and never showed enough for Pop to trust him with much playing time. Splitter was a bust in his first season.

What were you & Pop expecting, an all-star? He played great defense every time his number was called, and managed to score some points on the side. That's all the spurs really need him to do. He would have been better than Blair in the starting lineup by a longshot.

It's dumbshits like you that just keep perpetuating the stupid excuses. The classic injury excuse. Next it'll be the lame "Tiago didn't show enough in practices", then for the finale you'll tell us that Pop was smart to give Matt Bonner all his minutes cuz he's just so awesome and stuff.

ace3g

06-23-2011, 09:42 AM

johnhollinger John Hollinger
Re: Blazers. If "the point guard can't shoot" is the problem, not seeing how Tony Parker is the answer.

will_spurs

06-23-2011, 09:43 AM

How do you figure if they let RJ go and don't restructue any contract for him that they could not sign Splitter ( they also should not have signed Bonner again also)?

RJ had one year left on his contract. You can be 100% sure he didn't opt out of $15 million w/o anything from the Spurs saying they'd sign him back. He and his agent aren't that stupid. I know that because he opted out people started to come up with fantasies of "why did the Spurs sign him back" but it was 100% pre-agreed before he opted out, no other way around it.

ohmwrecker

06-23-2011, 10:01 AM

I think it's pretty obvious the spurs are playing hardball right now but they'll soften up eventually when they find no takers for RJ and move TP somewhere else, probably for something like Casspi + 7th.

If that's all they can get, they would just keep Parker. I don't understand your hard-on for Casspi. It's disturbing.

NASpurs

06-23-2011, 10:06 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_draft_cavaliers_irving_062311

• The San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/)’ aggressive pursuit of a lottery pick had them trying to get into the early teens, with hopes of using one of those picks to move up even higher in the first round, sources said. San Antonio could get into the late teens – perhaps the Utah Jazz (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/uth/) slot at 12 – to draft. The Spurs are enamored with Lithuanian 7-footer Dontas Montejunas, sources said, and could move up to take him in the late lottery picks. Nevertheless, several teams believe San Antonio’s ultimate goal is to parlay that late lottery pick into an even higher spot in the first round. The Spurs are discussing deals involving guard George Hill (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4488/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4488/news) to get them anywhere from 11 to 13, and using Tony Parker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527/news) in talks to rise up to the Sacramento Kings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sac/) or Toronto Raptors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/tor/) picks at seven and five, respectively.

JR3

06-23-2011, 10:16 AM

Well looks like the mindset is clear- REBUILD.

Interrohater

06-23-2011, 10:30 AM

Well looks like the mindset is clear- REBUILD.
I don't think it's that simple. It looks like they're trying to rebuild on the fly without blowing up the whole team. There's no word about trading Tim or Manu, so they're obviously not rebuilding from scratch. I think they're looking to get great players to keep the winning ways alive after Tim is gone. We might not be contenders again, but I don't think we'll be a lottery team either. We can't forget that while R.C. has made some errors in the last couple of years, he's been spot on more often than not. So we can trust that he's going to keep the Spurs in the playoff race for many many more years.

ace3g

06-23-2011, 10:41 AM

Oliviareneee Olivia Renee
by JMcDonald_SAEN
@BlazerFreeman For Blazer fans having nightmares about Tony Parker in a Blazers uniform, sleep well tonight.

sam_amick Sam Amick
Since I failed to mention it, the notebook breaks the Tony Parker situation as well - http://bit.ly/kUPjzH

SenorSpur

06-23-2011, 10:45 AM

Well looks like the mindset is clear- REBUILD.

That, my friend, was obvious, at least to me, after watching that stunning 4-game sweep at the hands of the Suns last spring. That's when the light came on for me that this team was declining rapidly and the window had all but closed.

When your best player and once-in-a-lifetime, HOF, PF, Duncan, hits the age wall, it's clear that your team is also in severe decline.

Unfortunately, the Spurs fooled themselves into thinking that things weren't that bad - despite the stunning playoff sweep last spring. The 61-win season this year notwithstanding, the wheels fell off in the playoffs again versus the Grizzlies. All of this isn't an accident. This is hard, cold reality.

Rebuilding will take time. The rebuild process is already underway. Now it's time to accelerate it.

InRareForm

06-23-2011, 10:47 AM

RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker

will_spurs

06-23-2011, 10:54 AM

I think Bruno's theory must be very close to the truth.

Spurs want to trade Hill. They send signals that they are to trade Parker (which makes a lot of sense given his current situation--playoffs, mouthing off, extracurricular activities...). The Spurs start to receive some offers for Parker, some of them quite good. In the meanwhile Hill's value goes up. However the Spurs never wanted to trade Parker in the first place, so they add RJ to any Parker deal, knowing nobody will take them up on that offer (and so far, nobody has indeed). Then they let everybody know that since option #1 (trading Parker +RJ) isn't working out, they are open to option #2 (trading Hill), which was actually their option #1 all along, but with which they might manage to gouge some team by pretending they really didn't want to trade Hill.

CIA.

Nathan Explosion

06-23-2011, 10:55 AM

Here's another trade that's not going to happen, but it's fun to speculate because that's all we can do at this point.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3cjyk7s

Nash and Dudley for Parker. Then the Suns can continue to try and trade Gortat to Minny for the #2 and grab the hometown guy if/when Cleveland takes Irving.

stxspurs

06-23-2011, 10:59 AM

RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker

Wow that sucks

buttsR4rebounding

06-23-2011, 11:01 AM

That, my friend, was obvious, at least to me, after watching that stunning 4-game sweep at the hands of the Suns last spring. That's when the light came on for me that this team was declining rapidly and the window had all but closed.

When your best player and once-in-a-lifetime, HOF, PF, Duncan, hits the age wall, it's clear that your team is also in severe decline.

Unfortunately, the Spurs fooled themselves into thinking that things weren't that bad - despite the stunning playoff sweep last spring. The 61-win season this year notwithstanding, the wheels fell off in the playoffs again versus the Grizzlies. All of this isn't an accident. This is hard, cold reality.

Rebuilding will take time. The rebuild process is already underway. Now it's time to accelerate it.

The Spurs will no doubt take at least one more shot. I am sure the mindset is that 2 of the losses...game 1 where Zach Randolf, a 19% 3pt shooter hits one at the end to win it and Sam Young a 26% 3pt shooter does the same in game 5 and the best player on your team misses one game and is clearly not playing to his potetial in the other games that the series could have easily gone the Spurs way even with the mismatches down low. You don't necessarily blow it up because of that especially as you say the rebuilding process will be slow.

ogait

06-23-2011, 11:07 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_draft_cavaliers_irving_062311

giving up both point guards for a prospect, I don't buy that.

stnick2261

06-23-2011, 11:07 AM

^^^ that series may have been close.... but we lost to the team, that lost to the team, that lost to the team that won the championship.

Agloco

06-23-2011, 11:07 AM

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6/22/2237376/determining-richard-jeffersons-value#comments

Dont know how I came across this but look at all the fools in the message board thinking that Jefferson is still a decent player. Maybe its just us spurs fans that understand hes a gut-less coward. Some of them literally had me cracking up.

I think you're seeing how the other half lives tbh.

Spurfan has been spoiled for far too long.

This link gives a lot of insight on how another team might view RJeff:

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6/22/2237334/richard-jefferson-tony-parker-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings

They say he would be the best SF on the team. :wow That's a reality check that Spurfan hasn't had to deal with in a few decades. We've been spoiled by the likes of Elliott, Horry, and Bowen.

Agloco

06-23-2011, 11:09 AM

You said it. THIS is the kid they should be after. He could be paired with either Duncan or Splitter and would instantly improve their faulty interior defense. There's no question that Biyombo would solidfy the PF position on this team for years to come.

If the Spurs were to somehow position themselves and then surprise us all by taking this guy, I would be absolutely ecstatic. I"m hopeful that they are secretly targeting this kid.

You don't think he's too raw? He's got no offense to speak of. I'd also be weary of him being a fouling machine for the first year at least.

Agloco

06-23-2011, 11:09 AM

Double post

spursfan09

06-23-2011, 11:11 AM

RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker

Blah! For a split second when I read this I was thinking of Deron Williams, but I forgot he got traded to the Nets for Devin.

I thought, "Deron Williams! Hells yea! Why did this not go through?"

Then I realized wait thats not right...

God what could have been.

Interrohater

06-23-2011, 11:11 AM

Wow that sucks
Come on man, you know how the game is played. They offer, Spurs counter-offer, etc. until they come to an agreement. I can't wait to see what's going to happen. Whatever the case, at least it brings some excitement to what will be an otherwise dull offseason.

Agloco

06-23-2011, 11:14 AM

Tony, Richard, 29 for Bogut, Maggette and 10th pick.

Why would the Bucks want RJ back lol.

That would be like the Spurs trading RJ right now and then trading back for him a few months later.

Not a good comparison since RJ isn't the ONLY person going to Milwaukee in that trade. It's the other guy that would provide that motivation.

But yeah, the Bucks did trade him for cap relief so taking on 22 mil again is most likely out of the question for them, even if they get Parker.

rascal

06-23-2011, 11:16 AM

RJ had one year left on his contract. You can be 100% sure he didn't opt out of $15 million w/o anything from the Spurs saying they'd sign him back. He and his agent aren't that stupid. I know that because he opted out people started to come up with fantasies of "why did the Spurs sign him back" but it was 100% pre-agreed before he opted out, no other way around it.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If that were the case they would have signed him back up right away but that did not happen. It was weeks before they signed him back up. RJ tested the waters and so did the Spurs, neither RJ or the Spurs were able to get suitable alternatives. It was more of an open agreement that RJ could leave if he had another offer from another team or if the Spurs could land a starting SF but that didn't happen.

ChumpDumper

06-23-2011, 11:18 AM

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If that were the case they would have signed him back up right away but that did not happen. It was weeks before they signed him back up. RJ tested the waters and so did the Spurs, neither RJ or the Spurs were able to get suitable alternatives. It was more of an open agreement that RJ could leave if he had another offer form another team but that didn't happen.So the Spurs said they would sign him back if he opted out.

MaNu4Tres

06-23-2011, 11:21 AM

RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker

I'd counter with Harris, Favors and 12th for Parker and Blair.

But would ultimately settle for Harris/Favors for Parker.

Agloco

06-23-2011, 11:21 AM

RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker

:lol

Dunno which is worse...... Casspi +7 or Harris +12.....

At least Harris is a PG.

rascal

06-23-2011, 11:23 AM

So the Spurs said they would sign him back if he opted out.

Thats what some are saying to get his contract restuctured to be able to sign splitter.

RJ was the last option after the Spurs could not get another SF and he was still available. RJ even stated he would be better off on another team before he opted out but nobody came calling.

ChumpDumper

06-23-2011, 11:25 AM

MaNu4Tres

06-23-2011, 11:26 AM

Thats what some are saying to get his contract restuctured to be able to sign splitter.

RJ was the last option after the Spurs could not get another SF and he was still available. RJ even stated he would be better off on another team before he opted out but nobody came calling.

Wrong.

willspurs and Chump are right.

It was a pre-arranged deal. Everything else you hear about him "considering" New Jersey as a destination was all smoke and mirrors so Spurs didn't get investigated for making a pre-arranged deal.

Gino2882

06-23-2011, 11:29 AM

Wow that sucks

Definitely not ideal, but IMO, that beats the hell out of Parker for the 7th pick. Harris is definitely a starting caliber PG. Who else do the Jazz have that could sweeten the trade a little bit? Maybe expand it out to include some of our other movable pieces.

MaNu4Tres

06-23-2011, 11:37 AM

milsap

Favors.

lurker23

06-23-2011, 11:42 AM

I'd counter with Harris, Favors and 12th for Parker and Blair.

But would ultimately settle for Harris/Favors for Parker.

As a resident of Salt Lake City, I can tell you that they're not going to trade Favors. Of all their young pieces, I think he's the one they're most in love with. Millsap would be relatively easy to pry from them, and I think you could manage to get Al Jefferson away from them if you tried. But, at least from what I've seen/heard, Favors is probably out of the question.

rascal

06-23-2011, 11:43 AM

Wrong.

willspurs and Chump are right.

It was a pre-arranged deal. Everything else you hear about him "considering" New Jersey as a destination was all smoke and mirrors so Spurs didn't get investigated for making a pre-arranged deal.

That's just speculation on your part.
How do you know.

MaNu4Tres

06-23-2011, 11:45 AM

That's just speculation on your part.
How do you know.

Common sense.

ChumpDumper

06-23-2011, 11:46 AM

That's just speculation on your part.
How do you know.The actual contract.

MaNu4Tres

06-23-2011, 11:47 AM

The actual contract.

Which ties to common sense.

timvp

06-23-2011, 11:52 AM

With all these rumors, I'm starting to think the front office is going to actually pull the trigger on a TP trade. Unfortunately, I think it's going to be in an RJ salary dump trade -- which lessen what the Spurs will be able to get out of the trade. I have a bad feeling that the front office is about to do a trade that will kill any chance of contending next season.

Then again, the Spurs have never traded up in the first round in the 22387234 years Pop has been in charge. And TP trade rumors have swirled for as long as TP has worn the silver and black. So perhaps this is just a bunch of smoke and no fire.

peacemaker885

06-23-2011, 11:54 AM

Man, RJ has done nothing for this team...seriously...

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 11:58 AM

It would be unforgivable to dump TP to soley get rid of RJ.

ohmwrecker

06-23-2011, 11:59 AM

Would this be the first time in NBA history that a 61 wins team has traded it's best player the following season?

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 11:59 AM

I cant see the FO doing that w/o talking to Tim. If they make a move, they will do it with trying to win in mind hopefully although it's hard to see how.

Mr.Bottomtooth

06-23-2011, 12:00 PM

will_spurs

06-23-2011, 12:02 PM

Would this be the first time in NBA history that a 61 wins team has traded it's best player the following season?

and most likely for a bag of peanuts, too.

ohmwrecker

06-23-2011, 12:04 PM

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 12:06 PM

If they trade Parker they HAVE to completely blow up the team. They'll have no point guard and might as well move Ginobili. Tim I could never trade even if Miami offered LeBron. Unless Tim asked for a trade, in which case I'd send him anywhere feasible that he wanted. It'll really suck if they move TP and have no 2012 season to tank, thus ending up with #29 again and now no way to move up into the top 10 when there is a great draft.

MaNu4Tres

06-23-2011, 12:06 PM

It would be unforgivable to dump TP to soley get rid of RJ.

Without question.

Say you get rid of Tony and RJ and create significant cap space for the summer of 2012 or 2013.

What big name free agents would sign here? Zero!

Therefore the Spurs would essentially be getting rid of Tony now to sign a middle tier free agent (another RJ) in the summer of 2012 or 2013.

Spurs should just try to trade RJ for another bad contract (Hedo/Marvin Williams) before using the best trading asset to get back a pile of shit and future cap space.

Nathan Explosion

06-23-2011, 12:09 PM

BONUS TRADE: Phoenix trades Steve Nash (50 cents), Jared Dudley (25 cents), and Josh Childress (minus-25 cents) to San Antonio for Tony Parker (50 cents) and Richard Jefferson (dime). Final tally: San Antonio (50 cents), Phoenix (60 cents).

One of my favorite fake trades ever. Phoenix HAS to do it: It's the best Nash trade the Suns could make, not just for what they're getting back (an All-Star point guard who's eight years younger), but because they're dumping Childress' contract ($27 million over the next four seasons) and giving Nash a legitimate chance to win (which he deserves).

As for San Antonio, the 2011 Mavericks just taught us something: You never know with a veteran contender. Why couldn't the Spurs make one last run? What if they were meant to have Dallas' run of destiny this spring, only Ginobili's elbow and a bad playoff draw (Memphis in Round 1) conspired to sink them? The Spurs would acquire two warriors in this trade: Nash and Dudley, both fantastic chemistry guys who have proven themselves in pressure situations. They'd be dumping Parker's bad karma and replacing it with the good karma of Nash and Duncan chasing a ring together. They'd be clearing cap space short-term ($2.1 million next season) and long-term (Jefferson makes $10.3 million more than Childress over the next three seasons). And they'd be giving Nash one last chance to pull a Jason Kidd and reinvent the end of his career with a ring. I love this trade. And on that note, T.M. Picasso has left the building. Er, studio.

http://http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6693430/view/full/painting-nba-trade-picture#footer-nav

Not happening but I like it. An extension of a trade I mentioned earlier.

will_spurs

06-23-2011, 12:11 PM

This link gives a lot of insight on how another team might view RJeff:

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6/22/2237334/richard-jefferson-tony-parker-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings

They say he would be the best SF on the team. :wow That's a reality check that Spurfan hasn't had to deal with in a few decades. We've been spoiled by the likes of Elliott, Horry, and Bowen.

The thing is, RJ isn't half as bad as we think he is. He happens to be extremely bad in the Spurs system... put him in a run & gun offense (the Spurs circa nov 10) and he's going to be a lot better. It will be hard to convince other teams of that, but I can imagine some teams at least are looking at him that way. Of course the idea of a serviceable SF with a $10m per year contract isn't probably appealing in general, but each and every team has a skeleton in the closet. It's all about figuring out which dead bodies are suddenly going to spring to life in the right system/environment. I can easily imagine that a run & gun offense powered by TP and RJ would be better than anything the Kings have had in the past 10 years.

lurker23

06-23-2011, 12:22 PM

I agree with everyone who is saying that trading TP for a bag of chips just to get rid of RJ's contract is inexcusable.

If you're really determined to get rid of RJ, there are a lot of other routes you could go. The most successful one would probably be to pair him with McDyess's contract, and take 1-3 guys from another team that amount to $16 million in contracts. You'd basically have to take bad contracts to get rid of the bad contract, but you can probably accomplish one or both of the following:

a.) Get guys that fit better into the system than RJ, and
b.) Get guys with only 1-2 years on their contracts, as opposed to RJ's 3 years.

Aggie Hoopsfan

06-23-2011, 12:34 PM

RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker

I'd counter offer Parker, Bonner, and our first rounder this year for Harris, Millsap, and the 12.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 12:36 PM

I'd counter offer Parker, Blair, and our first rounder this year for Harris, Millsap, and the 12.

I wouldn't make any trade with Utah that didn't involve Favors.

Mr. Body

06-23-2011, 12:37 PM

I'd listen to a Parker for Nash kind of trade.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 12:38 PM

I'd laugh at a Parker for Nash kind of trade. I'd rather do the shitty Batum deal than that.

Aggie Hoopsfan

06-23-2011, 12:38 PM

I wouldn't make any trade with Utah that didn't involve Favors.

I agree with you on that idea, but I'm also guessing that Favors is the one guy off limits up there. We could probably get Al Jefferson out of there before Favors.

I've come to accept the idea that we're going to trade Tony, and this deal would beat the hell out of any of the Sacto/Toronto trash.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 12:40 PM

I agree with you on that idea, but I'm also guessing that Favors is the one guy off limits up there. We could probably get Al Jefferson out of there before Favors.

I've come to accept the idea that we're going to trade Tony, and this deal would beat the hell out of any of the Sacto/Toronto trash.

I'd rather have the 5th or 7th than Harris. If you trade Parker it has to be for a young player with a high ceiling. Not 28 year-olds who peaked 5 years ago.

Agloco

06-23-2011, 12:41 PM

I'd laugh at a Parker for Nash kind of trade. I'd rather do the shitty Batum deal than that.

If Nash was, say 32 or so, I'd think long and hard about it. At 38? No way.

timvp

06-23-2011, 12:41 PM

So no one believes that they can trade Parker and still be a contender for next season? While trading him does show a sign of rebuilding, I don't necessarily believe that they must go all out and revamp the whole team. It could be rebuilding just for having security in a couple seasons.

To trade TP and still be a contender, they'd need to get a great haul. Something like an above average point guard along with two or three quality role players.

But with the Spurs trying to include RJ in a TP trade, there's no way they get anything close to that. By including RJ, the most you can hope to get back is probably two decent players and a draft pick.

In such a scenario, I agree with baseline bum. If you trade TP for peanuts, you might as well trade Ginobili now. And then you have to have serious talks with TD about what he wants to do.

Personally, I want the Spurs to give it one final shot. But if the front office wants to move toward rebuilding, I don't want it to be half-assed rebuilding. Either keep trucking or tear it down. Nothing else makes sense.

ChumpDumper

06-23-2011, 12:43 PM

You never trade Ginobili.

It makes no business sense.

Mr. Body

06-23-2011, 12:43 PM

I'd laugh at a Parker for Nash kind of trade. I'd rather do the shitty Batum deal than that.

No, I think Simmons is right. Nash is a warrior who could punch through a series or two next year. Parker clearly cannot. At this stage you need hungry guys who need to win now.

Mr. Body

06-23-2011, 12:44 PM

I'd also be interested in getting Billups.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 12:48 PM

No, I think Simmons is right. Nash is a warrior who could punch through a series or two next year. Parker clearly cannot. At this stage you need hungry guys who need to win now.

I gotta strongly disagree about Nash. I don't see how you add one of the worst defensive players in the history of the game to a team already struggling defensively and expect to do anything. If you trade Parker, it's gotta be for the future.

Mr. Body

06-23-2011, 12:50 PM

I gotta strongly disagree about Nash. I don't see how you add one of the worst defensive players in the history of the game to a team already struggling defensively and expect to do anything. If you trade Parker, it's gotta be for the future.

I do agree, which is why I wouldn't go full-force into it. At least listen to what a deal might be.

But I disagree on the last point. This team has no future. You play for next year, and that's about it.

SenorSpur

06-23-2011, 12:51 PM

You don't think he's too raw? He's got no offense to speak of. I'd also be weary of him being a fouling machine for the first year at least.

He is raw - very raw, but he's already a superb NBA rebounder and interior defender. He could be an instant game-changer on that end of the court, right off the bat.

As for his offense, yes he's pretty thin and underdeveloped there, but he's no Ben Wallace either. He's got more low-post offense than has been reported. If he gets a pass on the block, with his back to the basket, he's got a couple of go-to moves already. He's got a nice baby hook and a quick baseline spin move. So there is something to work with there.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 12:54 PM

I do agree, which is why I wouldn't go full-force into it. At least listen to what a deal might be.

But I disagree on the last point. This team has no future. You play for next year, and that's about it.

This team has no future? Of course it doesn't if you don't want to use Parker to try to give them one.

TDMVPDPOY

06-23-2011, 12:54 PM

parker + rj + bonner + blair for lebron....

DPG21920

06-23-2011, 12:56 PM

I hope the Spurs sit tight tonight. Give it time to play out and get better deals towards the deadline if they want to make moves.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 12:59 PM

He is raw - very raw, but he's already a superb NBA rebounder and interior defender. He could be an instant game-changer on that end of the court, right off the bat.

As for his offense, yes he's pretty thin and underdeveloped there, but he's no Ben Wallace either. He's got more low-post offense than has been reported. If he gets a pass on the block, with his back to the basket, he's got a couple of go-to moves already. He's got a nice baby hook and a quick baseline spin move. So there is something to work with there.

I'd love to have Biyombo; not at the expense of Parker, but if the team can get him cheaply then yes. However, dude has no offensive game whatsoever. All he could do in the Nike Hoop Summit was score on put backs. If he can't put moves on high-schoolers I don't see him taking Kevin Garnett on the block. Still, what a phenomenal defender this guy will be after a couple of years in the league.

Aggie Hoopsfan

06-23-2011, 12:59 PM

JR3

06-23-2011, 12:59 PM

Utah wants Jimmer at 12, so I don't think the Spurs will trade for their pick.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 01:00 PM

I hope the Spurs sit tight tonight. Give it time to play out and get better deals towards the deadline if they want to make moves.

Yeah, if they don't blow the team up this year, then Parker will be a critical piece to try to trade in the top 10 of the 2012 draft when Tim retires and the team is truly dismantled.

baseline bum

06-23-2011, 01:03 PM

Cavs reportedly trying to get Parker now too. I'm guessing they're dangling #4 and some players, that'd free them up to take Williams #1.

I don't see anyone from that squad that would be worth it. Pass.

#4 and their unprotected 1st rounder next year would be worth trading for. Cleveland has made stupider moves in the past.

admiralfats

06-23-2011, 01:04 PM

To trade TP and still be a contender, they'd need to get a great haul. Something like an above average point guard along with two or three quality role players.

But with the Spurs trying to include RJ in a TP trade, there's no way they get anything close to that. By including RJ, the most you can hope to get back is probably two decent players and a draft pick.

In such a scenario, I agree with baseline bum. If you trade TP for peanuts, you might as well trade Ginobili now. And then you have to have serious talks with TD about what he wants to do.

Personally, I want the Spurs to give it one final shot. But if the front office wants to move toward rebuilding, I don't want it to be half-assed rebuilding. Either keep trucking or tear it down. Nothing else makes sense.

If they blew up the team, the FO would essentially be driving Timmy out. I say no way they do that. They're gonna try "til the wheels fall off."

I think with all the talks and speculations, they MUST see something they think gives us a shot at next year, and they're trying to make it happen. What that is...I have no idea.

I'm inclined to believe it's actually GH3 for a pick where we take some big man that we like. I read that we worked out motiejunas, and he's really the only other guy I saw we worked out who is someone we'd need to trade up to get. With very limited info, I'd again like to reiterate that i have no idea what's going to happen tonight.

But I trust the FO, because they have a pretty sterling record in the draft, and if they're gonna make noise it must be for some very good reason.

Sounds like motiejunas is more of an offensive guy than defensive, but maybe the spurs see something in him. I know the bonner haters will say, "great, another 7 foot jump shooter," but...I trust the FO. They sure have a lot of makes in the draft, whichever direction we end up going.