Spurs fielding trade calls for Parker

[DesignatedT]

Devin Harris and the 12 for Tony? lmao that's fucking disgraceful.

If Utah even wanted to make a serious deal it would have to be along the lines of this to even get the Spurs interested.

Harris
Al Jefferson
#12

for
Tony
R Jefferson

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

#4 and their unprotected 1st rounder next year would be worth trading for. Cleveland has made stupider moves in the past.

True. I think we'd have to take salary back. I'd do your scenario along with Jamison (he expires after this coming season).

Somehow I'm guessing they'd want to give us garbage like Varejao and Gibson back though, or maybe Baron Davis and the three years he has left.

[Ditty]

#4 and their unprotected 1st rounder next year would be worth trading for. Cleveland has made stupider moves in the past.

i doubt they throw there unprotected pick next year but,throw in Varejo, and there trade exception..hmmm

[will_spurs]

Cavs reportedly trying to get Parker now too. I'm guessing they're dangling #4 and some players, that'd free them up to take Williams #1.

I don't see anyone from that squad that would be worth it. Pass.

Given the Cavs huge trade exceptions a lot of scenarios can work.

Parker + RJ (+ Blair?) for Varejao + Gibson (or Session) + #4 pick + trade exception

etc etc. The possibilities are endless.

[SenorSpur]

I'd love to have Biyombo; not at the expense of Parker, but if the team can get him cheaply then yes. However, dude has no offensive game whatsoever. All he could do in the Nike Hoop Summit was score on put backs. If he can't put moves on high-schoolers I don't see him taking Kevin Garnett on the block. Still, what a phenomenal defender this guy will be after a couple of years in the league.

I wouldn't sacrifice Parker for him either - but George Hill? In a New York minute.

[DesignatedT]

Cleveland?

Sessions
Varajeo or Jamison
#4

for
Tony
R Jefferson

[SenorSpur]

Devin Harris and the 12 for Tony? lmao that's fucking disgraceful.

If Utah even wanted to make a serious deal it would have to be along the lines of this to even get the Spurs interested.

Harris
Al Jefferson
#12

for
Tony
R Jefferson

Al Jefferson is slow-footed and a terrible defender. No thanks.

[DPG21920]

CLE taking TP with Baron and Sessions there doesn't make sense. It's not the same as drafting Irving bc of the size of the contracts

[DesignatedT]

Al Jefferson is slow-footed and a terrible defender. No thanks.

He'd still be the best thing next to Duncan since Robinson and could definitely take a huge load offensively. You could actually call "4 down" for someone other then Tim for once. I'd consider it.

[Duncan2177]

CLE taking TP with Baron and Sessions there doesn't make sense. It's not the same as drafting Irving bc of the size of the contracts

Baron and Varajeo

[Mugen]

the thought of TP going to Utah cracks me up.

[DesignatedT]

I forgot about Baron lol.

[DPG21920]

Also, Varejao isn't garbage and I believe Baron has 2 years left on his deal

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

From Stein:


Draft Buzz: Cavs tryin to get 3rd lottery pick. Offering to take back contract to facilitate. Kings/Pistons are targets

Interesting.

Could be they are going all youth, or maybe they're trying to get another pick to do a deal with us. Two lotto picks + Varejao + Sessions for Parker and our first or something like that?

[will_spurs]

Also, Varejao isn't garbage and I believe Baron has 2 years left on his deal

CLE has 3 point guards, so any deal with them has to send of them down to SA:
- Baron has 2 years left, $14m per year (ouch)
- Session has 2 years too, $4m per
- Gibson also has 2 years, $4m per

The best would be to get Session back, but I assume any trade involving RJ will have to involve Davis in return.

The numbers for TP+RJ vs Davis+Varejao match almost exactly. CLE has a large trade exception from Lebron, and both teams have small (< $1 milion) trade exceptions. So the Spurs could easily add a scrub for CLE's 4th pick.

Would be fun seeing TP going to CLE and getting another ring before Lebron :lol

[DPG21920]

Caves are in a great spot. With getting Irving at 1 & then possibly getting the best big in the draft at 4 (Jonas), they prob won't deal.

[baseline bum]

I like Varejao, but he's more a player you trade for to win now as opposed to rebuilding around.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

From Stein:



Interesting.

Could be they are going all youth, or maybe they're trying to get another pick to do a deal with us. Two lotto picks + Varejao + Sessions for Parker and our first or something like that?

You must be an aggie if you think that trade makes any sense for Cleveland. 2 lotto picks and varejao? Get real.

[DPG21920]

Well I'm not as sold on if TP is moved it means no title shot (although I agree that is by far the most likely outcome), so Andy could really help if a few things panout.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You must be an aggie if you think that trade makes any sense for Cleveland. 2 lotto picks and varejao? Get real.

Yeah, must be an Aggie because of that. I agree it doesn't make any sense, but Cleveland is a bunch of retards, and we're apparently shopping Parker as part of a package/salary dump for RJ.

Tell me how that makes sense. :rolleyes

Just trying to embrace the Spurs drug induced worldview of the moment, and add in the stupidity of the Cavs as an organization.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Old news but:


There was talk the Spurs have offered point guard Tony Parker to Sacramento for forward Omri Casspi, swingman Francisco Garcia and the Kings' No. 7 pick. San Antonio would select Lithuanian center Jonas Valanciunas.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Would wonder if they planned on using Garcia to try to solve the 3 spot alongside Casspi, or if he was just a filler.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

@WojYahooNBA
Adrian Wojnarowski
Kings have made it privately clear that they expect to trade 7th pick, sources say. "They're confident they have deal," one official says.

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/83971106117136385

Ohhh noes.

[Fpoonsie]

[nervous gulp]

[ABrooks111]

Please God no...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

There's not even a guarantee Valanciunas will be there at #7. What the hell?

[ChumpDumper]

its confirmed parker to kings

Here's the latest: According to Wojo at Yahoo..the Spurs believe 7-footer Jonas Valanciunas could be the replacement for Tim Duncan and will draft him with the 7th pick in a deal with the Kings.Link?

[DPG21920]

Not true

[MaNu4Tres]

There's not even a guarantee Valanciunas will be there at #7. What the hell?

There's not even a guarantee that Spurs are trading Parker to the Kings for that pick.

[spursfan09]

:wow

[NASpurs]

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/83971106117136385 (http://twitter.com/#%21/WojYahooNBA/status/83971106117136385)

Ohhh noes.

Wonder who it is... makes me nervous as hell too.

[lmbebo]

its confirmed parker to kings

Here's the latest: According to Wojo at Yahoo..the Spurs believe 7-footer Jonas Valanciunas could be the replacement for Tim Duncan and will draft him with the 7th pick in a deal with the Kings.

No such quote...

[Agloco]

its confirmed parker to kings

Here's the latest: According to Wojo at Yahoo..the Spurs believe 7-footer Jonas Valanciunas could be the replacement for Tim Duncan and will draft him with the 7th pick in a deal with the Kings.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

[NASpurs]

There's probably a reason why he can't start threads. I think we know why.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.facebook.com/ticket760/posts/10150215457341006

Thanks.

But where did Wojo say it for them to post?

[tdunk21]

@ticket760
Ticket 760
Yahoo Sports is reporting that the Kings are expecting to trade the 7th pick. Is it to the Spurs? For Tony?

[tdunk21]

@WojYahooNBA
Adrian Wojnarowski
Kings have made it privately clear that they expect to trade 7th pick, sources say. "They're confident they have deal," one official says.

[NASpurs]

Did Woj ever say anything like that? I've been reading his articles and tweets and I haven't seen such a thing.

[TimmehC]

Kings trade deal is rumored to most likely be with Denver. Woj did not say that the deal is with the Spurs.

[Fpoonsie]

There's not even a guarantee Valanciunas will be there at #7. What the hell?

This is what I don't understand (assuming RocketFan's not completely full a' shit). Weren't there rumblings that CLE had their eye on him at #4?

[DPG21920]

For those asking I don't think it's true but Spurs only make the deal contingent on if the player the Spurs want is still there. There would be no risk the spurs make a deal and miss their guy.

[DBMethos]

All this speculation for such a shitty draft.

[Fpoonsie]

For those asking I don't think it's true but Spurs only make the deal contingent on if the player the Spurs want is still there. There would be no risk the spurs make a deal and miss their guy.

Oooooooh.

Ok.

[NASpurs]

Yep. He tweeted that a bit ago.

Oh I meant what the ticet760 is reporting specifically.

[Agloco]

For those asking I don't think it's true but Spurs only make the deal contingent on if the player the Spurs want is still there. There would be no risk the spurs make a deal and miss their guy.




http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6/23/2239680/cavs-to-derail-kings-spurs-trade-several-teams-believe-the-san



Cav's to derail Kings/Spurs trade

"Several teams believe the San Antonio Spurs’ desire to get the Sacramento Kings’ pick at No. 7 centers on a desire to draft Valanciunas as a future replacement for Tim Duncan, and now Cleveland must draft Valanciunas at the No. 4 spot, or risk losing him all together."

[will_spurs]

@WojYahooNBA
Adrian Wojnarowski
Kings have made it privately clear that they expect to trade 7th pick, sources say. "They're confident they have deal," one official says.

In other words: Kings have a deal finalized and fully expect that the draft target in the trade will still be available by #7.

Or they are putting pressure on other teams to get rid of their #7 pick.

[DPG21920]

There was never a mention the deal is w SA

[Vic Petro]

Of course they're not going to agree to any deal unless Valanciunas (or whoever they want) is sitting there at 7.

[NASpurs]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_draft_cavaliers_irving_062311&expire=1


Several teams believe the San Antonio Spurs’ (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas) desire to get the Sacramento Kings’ (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sac) pick at No. 7 centers on a desire to draft Valanciunas as a future replacement for Tim Duncan (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3173), and now Cleveland must draft Valanciunas at the No. 4 spot, or risk losing him all together

[nkdlunch]

:lol cavs

[NASpurs]

Cavs are trying to cock block the Spurs. :lmao

[Fpoonsie]

Kinda sucks to think that SA'd be sending off their All-Star PG for a player that won't even play w/ them for at LEAST another year or so.

:depressed

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Seriously? Cockblocked by the fucking Cavs?

[DarkGinobili]

Lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

looks like a few teams tryin to cuckhold us

[nkdlunch]

cuckhold? Valanciunas or whatever his name is won't even come for a couple of years. fuck that stash in europe shit. What an insult to Duncan

[DPG21920]

I hope CLE takes who the Spurs want at 4 if this is true.

[NASpurs]

Spurs are probably saying Valanciunas as a smoke screen for a cockblocker when they probably have someone else in mind. Typical CIA Spurs. :lol

[DPG21920]

Spurs better dump RJs ass if this is true

[DesignatedT]

What's the updated situation regarding the buyout on Valanciunas? Any chance he plays in the NBA next season?

[DPG21920]

From everything I've seen, no. ^

[Fpoonsie]

From everything I've seen, no. ^

So, she's NOT hot?

[TheProfessor]

What's the updated situation regarding the buyout on Valanciunas? Any chance he plays in the NBA next season?
Current buyout with his team precludes his coming to the NBA next season. Just how final that arrangement is, is currently uncertain. But it would be unlikely that he comes over immediately.

[NASpurs]

So, she's NOT hot?

I think he meant to say that she's not a BYU cheerleader.

[Fpoonsie]

Ah.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol if they do manage to trade parker for euro stash

then get rid of rjs contract

duncan might as well go retire...

any excuse to tank....


ps. what happens if theres no nba season, would there also be another draft? how would it be arrange?

[MaNu4Tres]

So, she's NOT hot?

She's pretty, nothing amazing though. imo

[timvp]

That TP trade with the Kings looks horrible. If the Spurs do it, it'd be time to blow everything up.

[NASpurs]

She's alright if that's her

http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2-220x187.jpg

[stealthjbravo]

She's alright if that's her

http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2-220x187.jpg

Thanks but no thanks

[will_spurs]

So Valanciunas is going to be drafted by... Cleveland, Detroit, Kings/SA, Bucks and Warriors. That's quite a few teams. Actually, that's too many teams, the kind of attention that turns a draft prospect into a decoy and makes him slide 5-10 spots.

[will_spurs]

I wouldn't have used the word smoking, but she's cute.

Hard to tell before meeting her for real. Charm doesn't translate well to photography.

[DPG21920]

I literally don't see any kings trade that can be beneficial this year by itself unless it includes Cousins. Even if they do dump RJ with TP the best you get back is Casspi 7th Garcia. Awful

[TDMVPDPOY]

the decoy only works if we can get that lottery pick or that team to pick for us...other then that bless ur hatchings

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Best trade we can do? Add in the picks.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=68gjfs5

[DPG21920]

I'd do that. It's 1000x better than what's being discussed.You aren't getting Cousins for TP though ESP if you are taking RJ

[TheProfessor]

Best trade we can do? Add in the picks.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=68gjfs5
I think Cousins and Pop on the same sideline would make for an excellent sitcom.

[baseline bum]

That TP trade with the Kings looks horrible. If the Spurs do it, it'd be time to blow everything up.

Including the fucking front office? :pctoss

[timvp]

What I could see happening with Kings:

Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson for Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson, Francisco Garcia and the 7th overall (which I think the Spurs would actually realistically target Klay Thompson).

This trade still isn't very good and would end any championship hopes ... but the FO would pull the trigger just to dump RJ's contract while still getting decent talent in return.

[Agloco]

Cavs reportedly trying to get Parker now too. I'm guessing they're dangling #4 and some players, that'd free them up to take Williams #1.

I don't see anyone from that squad that would be worth it. Pass.

Varejao perhaps?

We'd need a PG too though.

[timvp]

Including the fucking front office? :pctoss

Yeah if the FO only semi blows this team up and ruins any chance of a quick rebuild, that'd be inexcusable.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I seriously don't get why they're after Thompson so hard. Neal has a long time ahead of him since his job is just to shoot, and there's potential with Anderson. Do they honestly think Blair and Splitter could be the frontcourt of the future? :vomit: It has to be Valanciunas. It just has to.

[will_spurs]

Varejao perhaps?

We'd need a PG too though.

Varejao is the best player they can include in a trade. And they have 3 PGs (see previous page for more info), but Baron Davis is their RJ and they probably want to move him before moving any of the other 2 PGs (Gibson and Sessions).

[Agloco]

Including the fucking front office? :pctoss


What I could see happening with Kings:

Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson for Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson, Francisco Garcia and the 7th overall (which I think the Spurs would actually realistically target Klay Thompson).

This trade still isn't very good and would end any championship hopes ... but the FO would pull the trigger just to dump RJ's contract while still getting decent talent in return.

Would either of you be opposed to seeing Cousins come over instead of Thompson?

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
There's sense Kings could be leveraging Spurs with leak of possible deal in place for 7th pick. Kings don't want Jefferson in Parker deal.

[loveforthegame]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
There's sense Kings could be leveraging Spurs with leak of possible deal in place for 7th pick. Kings don't want Jefferson in Parker deal.
51 seconds ago

[Dex]

The Richard Jefferson signing just starts to look worse and worse and worse.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

@WojYahooNBA
Adrian Wojnarowski
There's sense Kings could be leveraging Spurs with leak of possible deal in place for 7th pick. Kings don't want Jefferson in Parker deal.

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/83985544522121216

Sacramento can be hustling us. Fucking Sacramento.

[manufan10]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski


There's sense Kings could be leveraging Spurs with leak of possible deal in place for 7th pick. Kings don't want Jefferson in Parker deal.

[Ditty]

What I could see happening with Kings:

Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson for Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson, Francisco Garcia and the 7th overall (which I think the Spurs would actually realistically target Klay Thompson).

This trade still isn't very good and would end any championship hopes ... but the FO would pull the trigger just to dump RJ's contract while still getting decent talent in return.


Take Garcia out, and I would like that.I would love for the Spurs to try to trade the 7th pick to Bobcats for the 9th and 19th pick...Spurs can get Biyombo, and Harris with those pick,and Spurs could use Tony's TE for a point guard. That could go well, and Spurs can still use George Hill as an option for a trade with Utah. I doubt though Spurs would want 4 1st round draft picks.

[DPG21920]

:lmao Klay Thompson. This is a nightmare. Spurs can't be this foolish. I know RJ sucks, but it's Parker we are talking about.

If they want K:lolay Th:lolmpson they don't need to give up TP for him.

While replacing RJ w Casspi/Garcia (if healthy) is an immediate upgrade, and Thompson is serviceable, wasting a pick on Thompson deflates everything and the gap between hill and TP is likely too large to overcome

[manufan10]

:lol

Everyone posts at the same time.

[manufan10]

:lol

Double post

[TheProfessor]

Cockblocked by Cleveland and hustled by Sacramento. Fun times.

[Agloco]

Varejao is the best player they can include in a trade. And they have 3 PGs (see previous page for more info), but Baron Davis is their RJ and they probably want to move him before moving any of the other 2 PGs (Gibson and Sessions).

As is the case with Parker for us (sorry to the CoM :lol). Seems apropos no? And I was thinking that Sessions would be the best fit at PG in that scenario.

[Ditty]

Tell Kings to suck it then, while they stay horrible, if they don't want RJ, they certainly not going to get better with Felton as there point guard.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Cockblocked by Cleveland and hustled by Sacramento. Fun times.

All but concludes a horrible draft night we can already foreshadow.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Tell Kings to suck it then, while they stay horrible, if they don't want RJ, they certainly not going to get better with Felton as there point guard.

The way rumors have been swirling I wouldn't doubt San Antonio giving in at all.

[timvp]

Would either of you be opposed to seeing Cousins come over instead of Thompson?

I'd take Cousins over Thompson ... but the Kings are very doubtful to give up Cousins. He's a building block for them.

[will_spurs]

As is the case with Parker for us (sorry to the CoM :lol). Seems appro pos no? And I was thinking that Sessions would be the best fit at PG in that scenario.

Well tbh if the Spurs managed to get back Varejao AND Sessions AND the 4th pick (and a good chunk of their trade exception) for TP+RJ I'd say they'd pretty much be raping the Cavs. I don't see it happening. Replace Sessions with Davis bloated contract and it wouldn't be so lopsided any more (but then the Spurs wouldn't pull the trigger).

[nkdlunch]

I hate Cousins. And I only seen him play 3 games.

[NASpurs]

Spurs always seem to be used as leverage. Nothing new.

[baseline bum]

Would either of you be opposed to seeing Cousins come over instead of Thompson?

Cousins shooting 43% last year is a huge red flag, but I'd have to seriously consider that deal since he's still just a kid and has outstanding size.

[timvp]

:lmao Klay Thompson. This is a nightmare. Spurs can't be this foolish. I know RJ sucks, but it's Parker we are talking about.

If they want K:lolay Th:lolmpson they don't need to give up TP for him.

While replacing RJ w Casspi/Garcia (if healthy) is an immediate upgrade, and Thompson is serviceable, wasting a pick on Thompson deflates everything and the gap between hill and TP is likely too large to overcome

There's a lot more wrong with that trade than picking Klay Thompson. Who the Spurs pick there is pretty much irrelevant. It's an era buster no matter who the Spurs select.

[Fireball]

I hate Cousins. And I only seen him play 3 games.

Cousins has a bad work ethic ... and after the first thing that goes wrong in a game he either argues too much or loses interest. But this guy also dominated the Lakers frontline in a game I watched. Anyway, I do not think the Kings would let him go ...

[baseline bum]

There's a lot more wrong with that trade than picking Klay Thompson. Who the Spurs pick there is pretty much irrelevant. It's an era buster no matter who the Spurs select.

I just cannot see trading him this year. Certainly Parker will be able to command a lottery pick next season when there are guys actually worth drafting.

[Mr. Body]

I can't believe the Spurs so badly want to get rid of Jefferson they'd be willing to take this trade.

[Kool Bob Love]

:nerd

Thank you Spurs for helping me forget about my problems. No Lebron james.

[joshdaboss]

Comparing a complete scrub and bust like Jason Thompson, to a top-tier prospect like Cousins, is laughable at best.

[objective]

This is a pathetic disaster.

Not because it would end their title window, that window is already closed. But because the idiotic, preventable mistakes of the past (Jefferson) are hurting the future.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

@DraftExpress
Jonathan Givony
Teams calling Sacramento about the #7 pick are being told it's already been moved. Problem is, no one knows to who, or for which player.http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/83989004382502912

[Vic Petro]

There's a lot more wrong with that trade than picking Klay Thompson. Who the Spurs pick there is pretty much irrelevant. It's an era buster no matter who the Spurs select.

I don't like the trade, but I don't think the "era" should have anything to do with it. The era is over already. Time to reinvent. Not with this shite trade though.

[manufan10]

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony


Teams calling Sacramento about the #7 pick are being told it's already been moved. Problem is, no one knows to who, or for which player.

[DPG21920]

If you get Cousins + the 7th it's ok.

[DesignatedT]

If it's Casspi and the 7for Tony I'm going to kill someone. literally

[timvp]

Maybe the Kings can throw in Mitch Richmond . . .

[NASpurs]

http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/83989004382502912 (http://twitter.com/#%21/DraftExpress/status/83989004382502912)

:wow:wow:wow

I guess we'll find out in a couple of hours who the mysterious team is

[baseline bum]

If you get Cousins + the 7th it's ok.

I'd be shocked if it was that. Spurs fans, bend the fuck over.

[baseline bum]

Maybe the Kings can throw in Mitch Richmond . . .

I'd rather get KJ. The Spurs have enough shooting guards.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

@GeryWoelfel
Gery Woelfel
Bucks appear to have deal with Sacamento for No. 7http://twitter.com/#!/GeryWoelfel/status/83989949619245056

Woops.

[DesignatedT]

good.

[DarkGinobili]

Lol

[DMX7]

lol

[The Btown Spur]

Bucks are moving up from 10 to 7?

[NASpurs]

http://twitter.com/#!/GeryWoelfel/status/83989949619245056 (http://twitter.com/#%21/GeryWoelfel/status/83989949619245056)

Woops.

If that's true, I feel relieved tbh.

[baseline bum]

@GeryWoelfel
Gery Woelfel
Bucks appear to have deal with Sacamento for No. 7
http://twitter.com/#!/GeryWoelfel/status/83989949619245056



Woops.

Please let this report be true.

[DPG21920]

I just cannot see trading him this year. Certainly Parker will be able to command a lottery pick next season when there are guys actually worth drafting.

I agree and I wasn't making Klay the focal laughing point of the deal but pointing out it's an extra kick to the junk if that happens.

[objective]

I might be starting to come around on a Parker trade, only including Ginobili instead of Jefferson. This way, the Spurs still get crap back, causing Duncan to retire. Send Splitter with them, because playing him as a Spur just "wouldn't be fair to the team".

Then Pop & RC can enjoy the next 3 seasons of wretched existence playing out with Jefferson and Bonner as their centerpieces. That should be their punishment. Same with the pro-RJ and pro-Bonner brigades on this board. They deserve it.

:lol

[Bruno]

I may be wrong but I doubt Spurs will trade Parker. I would be less optimistic about Hill's future in SA.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Does a broken down Parker trade trigger more desperation to get rid of Hill for a lesser pick?

[Mr. Body]

I may be wrong but I doubt Spurs will trade Parker. I would be less optimistic about Hill's future in SA.

It sure looks like they'll trade one or the other. Since no one will take RJ with Parker, George Hill gets the boot.

[objective]

Bucks boards are wondering if Jennings is going to be the Kings point. Maybe they're on the hunt for Jimmer?

[DPG21920]

I agree, Hills value (whether real or not) should be at an all time high with what he's proven, a weak draft and all the TP trade talk.

[joshdaboss]

If they trade Hill, that's a huge mistake. Parker is 29-years-old and plays 0 defense. The Spurs could get away with that with a prime Duncan back there correcting all of his mistakes. You keep Hill, he's far and away the better defender and isn't a slouch on offense. He's also about 10 years younger, and Parker yields more on the market. If you wait, whose to say Parker won't be just viewed as a bad contract that no one wants? Trade his ass, now. The writing is all over the damn wall, in bright red spray paint.

[baseline bum]

If Parker plays 0 defense than Hill plays -2 defense.

[joshdaboss]

If Parker plays 0 defense than Hill plays -2 defense.

HAHAHAHAHAH. You're saying Parker is a better defender than Hill? Is that what you're saying here????

[baseline bum]

HAHAHAHAHAH. You're saying Parker is a better defender than Hill? Is that what you're saying here????

Yes

[DPG21920]

My prediction: Hill to Utah for their pick.

[baseline bum]

My prediction: Hill to Utah for their pick.

I don't like that at all unless Biyombo is still there at 12. I can't think of anyone else I'd be excited about at that number.

[NASpurs]

http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/83992112156254208

Woj: Milwaukee has a three-way deal with Charlotte and Sacramento, sources say.

[MaNu4Tres]

I wouldn't mind a Hill to Indiana for their 15th.

[baseline bum]

That makes my day to know the Spurs aren't landing fucking Omri Casspi for one of the franchise legends.

[joshdaboss]

Attention: Is there one person on this entire message board, besides baseline bum, that says that Tony Parker is a better defender than George Hill?

[MaNu4Tres]

Over or under this thread to reach 55 pages by nights end?

[Bruno]

My prediction: Hill to Utah for their pick.

Well, it's been rumored on twitter by a radio guy an hour ago...

[timvp]

Sounds like TP to the Kings is not going to happen.

Good.

[baseline bum]

Attention: Is there one person on this entire message board, besides baseline bum, that says that Tony Parker is a better defender than George Hill?

You should stick with your old act of bitching about lack of ref love to the Miami Heat (of all teams :lol).

[Mal]

Fuck me, Parker for Jennings + pick + fillers.

[baseline bum]

What does anyone see in Hill's defense besides his long arms? It's hilarious (in a sad way) watching guys like Nash and Ray Allen mercilessly run this guy through screens for wide open shots all day.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Partial of deal: The Bucks get Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, sources say. Charlotte gets the 7th pick and Corey Maggette.

damn I wanted SJ

[MaNu4Tres]

WojYahooNBA
Partial of deal: The Bucks get Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, sources say. Charlotte gets the 7th pick and Corey Maggette.

[baseline bum]

Fuck me, Parker for Jennings + pick + fillers.

Que?

[timvp]

Parker defends point guards about 23423 times better than Hill does.

[DarkGinobili]

This thread is going to be huge. lol

[Mugen]

I'd love for the spurs to trade Hill for a pick that becomes Singleton or Honeycutt.

backup pg is a need for this team regardless if Hill stays or is traded.

i wouldnt mind a trade with PHX:

RJ
Hill

for

Childress
13th
future pick/throw in

[DPG21920]

Well, it's been rumored on twitter by a radio guy an hour ago...

I know. There's a lot of rumors out there and I was picking the one I saw as the most realistic.

[Ditty]

George Hill is a better defender than Parker, but I would take Parker's defense IQ over George's anyday, how to defende a simple pick n roll..Please Spurs trade George Hill, and get Chris Singleton, or Tobias Harris.

[baseline bum]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Partial of deal: The Bucks get Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, sources say. Charlotte gets the 7th pick and Corey Maggette.

damn I wanted SJ

I wanted Jack all the way until this year, but I'd much rather have talented youth now. Trading Parker for a lesser vet would be horrible.

[joshdaboss]

The deal we need to make is with Toronto. If we can get Calderon back, there won't be as much slippage at PG as one might think. It actually may be better for the team. He's a pass-first PG, which is what a PG is supposed to be. Obviously the pick is an added bonus and if we could somehow get Bargnani back, wow......... we stacked.

[timvp]

Bobcats in ultra tank mode.

[objective]

I'm so pissed off that Jackson is now unobtainable. If there was ever a chance to move Jefferson it was for him. But Charlotte preferred Maggette and his stupid contract + 7 over Jefferson's worse play + Hill which I guess would be the Spurs best offer, and I can't blame them.

[nkdlunch]

What does anyone see in Hill's defense besides his long arms? It's hilarious (in a sad way) watching guys like Nash and Ray Allen mercilessly run this guy through screens for wide open shots all day.

Hill is bad at chasing ppl through screen. Parker is no better.

Hill is a better defender when the opponent has the ball.

overall Hill - mediocre defender. Parker - poor defender.

[Cane]

Hill is a much better overall defender than Parker and who doesn't get burned by Nash and Ray Allen? They make young guys in their prime look out of shape and have skills that won't leave til they retire if ever.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Milwaukee's 10th overall pick goes to the Kings, source says.

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Hearing Bobcats-Bucks-Kings deal includes Bucks get Beno Udrih and the No. 9 and 19 picks Bobcats.

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
The Bobcats get No. 7 pick from Sac. & Maggette. Kings will get John Salmons and the No. 10 pick.

[baseline bum]

The deal we need to make is with Toronto. If we can get Calderon back, there won't be as much slippage at PG as one might think. It actually may be better for the team. He's a pass-first PG, which is what a PG is supposed to be. Obviously the pick is an added bonus and if we could somehow get Bargnani back, wow......... we stacked.

You're just full of horrible ideas. Bargnani is like a rich mans Bonner. If they trade with Toronto I'd much rather get a rebounder with some size like Ed Davis. With Johnson and Bargnani already there he could probably be had too.

[timvp]

I'm so pissed off that Jackson is now unobtainable. If there was ever a chance to move Jefferson it was for him. But Charlotte preferred Maggette and his stupid contract + 7 over Jefferson's worse play + Hill which I guess would be the Spurs best offer, and I can't blame them.

Why care about getting Jackson if the era is already over? If you think the Spurs have no shot at another run, Buckets is the last player you should want on this team.

[joshdaboss]

Hill is bad at chasing ppl through screen. Parker is no better.

Hill is a better defender when the opponent has the ball.

overall Hill - mediocre defender. Parker - poor defender.

I would agree mostly. I think Hill is a good defender, but the key is that he has potential to get much better, whereas Parker is only going to decline even more.

[DPG21920]

What does Sac get for their pick

[crc21209]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Milwaukee's 10th overall pick goes to the Kings, source says.

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Hearing Bobcats-Bucks-Kings deal includes Bucks get Beno Udrih and the No. 9 and 19 picks Bobcats.

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
The Bobcats get No. 7 pick from Sac. & Maggette. Kings will get John Salmons and the No. 10 pick.

:lol So Salmons goes back to the Kings?

[baseline bum]

According to this site Hill isn't a point guard. Against the league's best shooting guard the first two times they played Hill was a big part of holding Kobe to 13 of 45 shooting from the field. I'd like to see Parker try that.

Hill can defend one and only one type of player: a selfish guard who wants nothing but isolations. He's phenomenal in that role. Every other type of player he's lousy guarding.

[loveforthegame]

As a Kings fan as well I don't get this trade for them. They couldn't wait to get rid of Salmons before and they're now taking him back? Desperate to get rid of Udrih maybe? He was actually one of the few bright spots last year.

[joshdaboss]

You're just full of horrible ideas. Bargnani is like a rich mans Bonner. If they trade with Toronto I'd much rather get a rebounder with some size like Ed Davis. With Johnson and Bargnani already there he could probably be had too.

Bargnani is 7' tall. He blocks shots. He stretches it to the 3 as a 7' PF/C. He can put it on the floor. Ed Davis doesn't have the basketball IQ to play for a team like the Spurs.

[joshdaboss]

Hill can defend one and only one type of player: a selfish guard who wants nothing but isolations. He's phenomenal in that role. Every other type of player he's lousy guarding.

Parker is pretty good at guarding Luke Ridnour. Just kidding, Ridnour torches him. lol @ Parker's defense.

[baseline bum]

Bargnani is 7' tall. He blocks shots. He stretches it to the 3 as a 7' PF/C. He can put it on the floor. Ed Davis doesn't have the basketball IQ to play for a team like the Spurs.

Bargnani doesn't have the nutsack to play for the Spurs.

[objective]

Why care about getting Jackson if the era is already over? If you think the Spurs have no shot at another run, Buckets is the last player you should want on this team.

Pretty simple answer: I want to be able to enjoy watching the Spurs as much as possible, entertainment-wise.

Jefferson sucks the life out of that when he's on the court. So does Bonner.

Even regular season games, watching them just plain sucks.

I would enjoy watching Jackson trot around like old days with the big three, even though he'd be limping and shooting like .167 or some other awful number.

Seeing Jefferson on the court SUCKS.

[nkdlunch]

Bargnani doesn't have the nutsack to play for the Spurs.

do Bonner + RJ?

[baseline bum]

Bargnani is 7' tall. He blocks shots. He stretches it to the 3 as a 7' PF/C. He can put it on the floor. Ed Davis doesn't have the basketball IQ to play for a team like the Spurs.

:rollin :lmao :rollin :lmao

LOL @ Bargnani blocking 0.7 shots a game in 36 minutes while Davis gets 1.0 in 25 minutes.

[baseline bum]

do Bonner + RJ?

So we need more of that? I'm not following.

[Cane]

LOL @ Bargnani blocking 0.7 shots a game in 36 minutes while Davis gets 1.0 in 25 minutes.

Lol @ thinking Parker's a better defender than Hill

[nkdlunch]

So we need more of that? I'm not following.

Spurs signed both. Them signing Andrea is a possibility.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Here's one thing I'm double checking again: Salmons' inclusion in the deal. Hold tight. Getting conflicting info from sources on him.

[crc21209]

OK so to sum it up here it is:

Bobcats get No. 7 pick and Corey Maggette.

Kings get No. 10 pick and John Salmons.

Bucks get No. 9 pick, No. 19 pick, Beno Udrih, and Stephen Jackson, and Shaun Livingston.

[joshdaboss]

Bargnani doesn't have the nutsack to play for the Spurs.

A lot of the same things I heard about Nowitzki I hear about Bargnani. Granted, I know that he will never reach Nowitzki's level, but he's definitely a similar player, skillset wise. And with how much people hate Bonner on this board(unjustly, I might add), it would basically signify the end of all of his playing time, which would be a good thing in the eyes of most.

[objective]

not sure I'm understanding this deal for the Kings. Move down 3 spots to swap out 2 years of Beno for 4 years of Salmons?

[joshdaboss]

:rollin :lmao :rollin :lmao

LOL @ Bargnani blocking 0.7 shots a game in 36 minutes while Davis gets 1.0 in 25 minutes.

I'm not sure why you're comparing Ed Davis and Bargnani's shot blocking. I said Bargnani blocks shots, which he does. lol @ reaching for anything you can.

[Vic Petro]

And the Bucks now have Jennings, Beno, and Livingston? Glut of PGs

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Ticket 760
BLOCKBUSTER TRADE IN THE MAKING STAY TUNED!

Ticket 760 STILL GETTING THE DETAILS BUT IT DOES AFFECT THE SPURS
http://www.facebook.com/ticket760 Woops again!

[loveforthegame]

I thought the Kings were wanting a pg? BS? Maybe have something else lined up?

[baseline bum]

By your definition I could call Richard Jefferson or Tony Parker shotblockers. :lol

[cheguevara]

wtf

[timvp]

Pretty simple answer: I want to be able to enjoy watching the Spurs as much as possible, entertainment-wise.

Jefferson sucks the life out of that when he's on the court. So does Bonner.

Even regular season games, watching them just plain sucks.

I would enjoy watching Jackson trot around like old days with the big three, even though he'd be limping and shooting like .167 or some other awful number.

Seeing Jefferson on the court SUCKS.

No offense, but if I just wanted entertainment, I'd watch an NFL game. :)

When it comes to the Spurs, I want championships. That's why I'm either for one more run or the start of a total rebuild. Some sort of hopeless farewell tour or a halfway rebuild would be the two worst scenarios in my book. In fact, that would end up taking away any entertainment value for me personally.

That said, I see where your coming from ... and the Spurs may very well do it just to sell tickets. For example, even if it makes perfect sense to trade Ginobili, I could see Holt vetoing the idea just so there wouldn't be a total financial collapse.

[NASpurs]

Those motherfuckers are going to give me a heart attack.

[crc21209]

Basically the TP to Kings deal is dead now that Sacramento has dealt their 7th pick to Charlotte. I was reading earlier that Charlotte is very high on Thompson from Texas, and we're worried Detroit would take him with their 8th pick, so this is probably why they wanted Sacramento's 7th pick so bad....

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Those motherfuckers are going to give me a heart attack.

:lol

[joshdaboss]

By your definition I could call Richard Jefferson or Tony Parker shotblockers. :lol

Look at the 2 years previous to that. He's up over a block a game. I never claimed he was an elite shot blocker, just that he can change shots on defense.

[NASpurs]

It affects the Spurs as in the deal with the Spurs is dead?

[baseline bum]

That said, I see where your coming from ... and the Spurs may very well do it just to sell tickets. For example, even if it makes perfect sense to trade Ginobili, I could see Holt vetoing the idea just so there wouldn't be a total financial collapse.

Short term profit over the long term viability: the story of America.

[baseline bum]

Barngani makes Bonner look like Dwight Howard on defense. No thanks.

[crc21209]

It affects the Spurs as in the deal with the Spurs is dead?

Pretty much. It didnt say it "involved" the Spurs....

[DPG21920]

It affects spurs bc they don't deal w sacto

[NASpurs]

:lol

Your "Woops!" isn't helping either. That's twice in a row. :toast

[DPG21920]

Bargnani has talent.

[joshdaboss]

Barngani makes Bonner look like Dwight Howard on defense. No thanks.

If Parker is being traded, you don't agree that more offense will be needed? Bargnani scored 21 a game last year, and he scored those 21 in a variety of ways.

[baseline bum]

Bargnani has a bigger vagina than Jefferson.

fify

[crc21209]

:lol So now that I look at this 3-team deal, Sacramento got John Salmons (maybe) and the No. 10 pick, and traded Beno? What happened to wanting a veteran PG to lead the team?

[ace3g]

Ticket 760
Here's the trade according to Chad Ford: 2 former Spurs Beno and Stephen Jax along with Shaun Livingston and the 19th pick go to Milwaukee. Charlotte gets the #7 pick and Corey Maggette and the Kings get John Salmons and the 10th pick

lol they are so behind, lol

[baseline bum]

If Parker is being traded, you don't agree that more offense will be needed? Bargnani scored 21 a game last year, and he scored those 21 in a variety of ways.

If Parker is being traded I believe that tanking will be needed.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

@aamcneill48MoH
Andrew A. McNeill
If SAC does move the 10th and Salmons to SA for TP and RJ, RJ makes about $6 mil more over next 3 years. Salmons' 4th year is unguaranteed.http://twitter.com/#!/aamcneill48MoH/status/83999832741658624

I'm open for change, but please God no.

[crc21209]

Ticket 760
Here's the trade according to Chad Ford: 2 former Spurs Beno and Stephen Jax along with Shaun Livingston and the 19th pick go to Milwaukee. Charlotte gets the #7 pick and Corey Maggette and the Kings get John Salmons and the 10th pick

lol they are so behind, lol

:lol Idiots....

[DarkGinobili]

:lol:lol

[crc21209]

http://twitter.com/#!/aamcneill48MoH/status/83999832741658624

I'm open for change, but please God no.

The 10th pick and Salmons for TP and RJ? HELL NO. If the Kings wanted TP so bad they would have offered their 7th pick when they had it, and a couple of their players.....

[timvp]

Trading for Bustnani is the worst of the worst case scenarios. He's literally the worst defender in the league. Trying to rebuild around him, which Pop would probably try to do seeing how he loves Bonner so much, would be a colossal mistake.

Stay far away.

[ElNono]

I don't think you can match a pick + Salmons for both RJ and TP. Some other players would need to be involved. Maybe Caspi?

[joshdaboss]

If Parker is being traded I believe that tanking will be needed.

Why? I hate this attitude amongst Spurs fans. You realize if Manu didn't get hurt in the last game of the regular season(Popobitch should be fired), that we could very well have been hoisting another banner last year? If you don't believe that, you're just entirely too pessimistic. We're a better team than the Mavs.

[objective]

No offense, but if I just wanted entertainment, I'd watch an NFL game. :)

When it comes to the Spurs, I want championships. That's why I'm either for one more run or the start of a total rebuild. Some sort of hopeless farewell tour or a halfway rebuild would be the two worst scenarios in my book. In fact, that would end up taking away any entertainment value for me personally.

That said, I see where your coming from ... and the Spurs may very well do it just to sell tickets. For example, even if it makes perfect sense to trade Ginobili, I could see Holt vetoing the idea just so there wouldn't be a total financial collapse.

I don't see it from a ticket-selling viewpoint. They can't sellout games now even with the big 3. I also haven't spent any money on the Spurs for tickets or merchandise since the re-upped Bonner, as I swore I wouldn't as long as he's on the team.

I just don't enjoy seeing slugs like RJ or Bonner stinking it up, regardless of contender status. The Spurs don't have to be contenders for me to enjoy watching them. Some of my fondest memories as a fan was the injury-laden lottery year. I watched nearly every game, and even though they were getting crushed, it was worth watching. There was intrigue . . . was Cory Alexander developing before my eyes . . . could Jamie Feick turning into a legit player . . . Wow, this Sasser kid isn't very good, is he? Oh well, he's not tied up long term or anything . . . Hey, the lottery's coming up! Maybe we can get that Colgate kid to help Robinson with our 5th pick or whatever . . .

Jefferson crapping around for 30 minutes? That's no mystery there, or hope. All misery. Bonner tooling about for 22 minutes, a constant reminder of front office mistakes . . . all misery.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think I'm setting a personal record on the clicking of the refresh button tbh..

[loveforthegame]

http://twitter.com/#!/aamcneill48MoH/status/83999832741658624

I'm open for change, but please God no.

No thanks!! :bang

That's worse than what the rumored offers before.

[joshdaboss]

Trading for Bustnani is the worst of the worst case scenarios. He's literally the worst defender in the league. Trying to rebuild around him, which Pop would probably try to do seeing how he loves Bonner so much, would be a colossal mistake.

Stay far away.

I don't see many busts putting up 21PPG.

[lmbebo]

if we are still trading with Sac for the 10th pic.

Then I expect it will be GHill for 10 and Casspi.


edit: Ghill and Danny green for Casspi works on espn trade machine due to Jerrels trade exception

[ElNono]

Trading for Bustnani is the worst of the worst case scenarios. He's literally the worst defender in the league. Trying to rebuild around him, which Pop would probably try to do seeing how he loves Bonner so much, would be a colossal mistake.

Stay far away.

That would be the epic turd towers... Ginger + Bustnani! Both standing in the perimeter shooting 3 pointers while Manu and Neal play PF and Center. Brilliant!

[NASpurs]

http://twitter.com/#!/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/84000639612493825 (http://twitter.com/#%21/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/84000639612493825)


McDonald: Guessing Kings-Bucks-Cats deal means Tony Parker remains in SA for time being. Unless something else is cooking.

Gee ya think?

[baseline bum]

It blows me away how underrated Parker has been on this forum for so long. First it was Parker = Chris Whitney. Then it was "let's throw him away and hand the team over to Beno" and now it's George Hill mania. Unbelievable. Part of me would love to see the Parker haters get their wish to come true so they could see how bad the team would be in their scenarios, but I'll still be the one sporting black and silver when they go back to not giving a shit like the old days when you couldn't get 5000 people in Hemisfair Arena.

[timvp]

Salmons and #10 for TP and RJ? WTH? Suddenly that Casspi trade looks good in comparison.

[ElNono]

I don't see many busts putting up 21PPG.

In Toronto?























:lmao

[Ditty]

I'm hoping it's Hill & Jefferson for #10 and Salmons

[joshdaboss]

It blows me away how underrated Parker has been on this forum for so long. First it was Parker = Chris Whitney. Then it was "let's throw him away and hand the team over to Beno" and now it's George Hill mania. Unbelievable. Part of me would love to see the Parker haters get their wish to come true so they could see how bad the team would be in their scenarios, but I'll still be the one sporting black and silver when they go back to not giving a shit like the old days when you couldn't get 5000 people in Hemisfair Arena.

Yet -- the team seemed to do just fine while he was out and Hill was the starter. Just imagine getting pieces back on top of that. Real talented pieces. Case rested.

[ElNono]

It blows me away how underrated Parker has been on this forum for so long. First it was Parker = Chris Whitney. Then it was "let's throw him away and hand the team over to Beno" and now it's George Hill mania. Unbelievable. Part of me would love to see the Parker haters get their wish to come true so they could see how bad the team would be in their scenarios, but I'll still be the one sporting black and silver when they go back to not giving a shit like the old days when you couldn't get 5000 people in Hemisfair Arena.

Truth be told, I don't think other teams are that high on Parker either.

[baseline bum]

And Bonner does?

I'm not getting this reasoning at all. Because the Spurs have a Bonner and a Jefferson on the team already, they should trade good assets to get more Bonners and Jeffersons?

[joshdaboss]

In Toronto?























:lmao

You don't score over 20 a game if you're a bust, I don't care what team it is. You're playing the same players that everyone else is. That should be common sense, but I guess it isn't.

[DesignatedT]

Kings getting rid of a PG in Beno. Interesting.

[MaNu4Tres]

George for Kings 10th?

[DesignatedT]

I'd do Hill and RJ for Salmons and the 10th. No way I do Tony though.

[objective]

http://twitter.com/#!/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/84000639612493825 (http://twitter.com/#%21/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/84000639612493825)



Gee ya think?

Maybe McDonald hit up those happy hour margaritas a little early today.

[baseline bum]

Truth be told, I don't think other teams are that high on Parker either.

Parker should still get a top 10 pick next year as long as the team doesn't try to throw Jefferson in as an add-on.

[objective]

George for Kings 10th?

Hope so.

Maybe Hill for the Bobcats' 9?

[ElNono]

We'll be rolling out the all-softie Spurs team next season:

Calderon, Hill, RJ, Bonner, Bargnani

[ElNono]

We'll be rolling out the all-softie Spurs team next season:

Calderon, Hill, RJ, Bonner, Bargnani

[DesignatedT]

Parker hits 30 years old next year. His value will start to diminish but you don't get rid of him for John Salmons.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Any Sac deal involving Salmons now for Jefferson is pretty much lateral, aside from contracts. Now it will only make sense if TP is involved. Salmons is basically a little less expensive Jefferson, so trading for him and the 10th with Hill doesn't really make the team better.

[Spurs Brazil]

At the end of the day I want Parker to stay and Hill gone

[NASpurs]

40 pages of draft chat when later tonight it'll be:

"With the 29th pick, the San Antonio Spurs select *insert unknown foreign guy's name*"

and a lot of "WHO THE FUCK?" posts.

It's going to be so anti-climatic. :lmao

[baseline bum]

Yet -- the team seemed to do just fine while he was out and Hill was the starter. Just imagine getting pieces back on top of that. Real talented pieces. Case rested.

There are no talented pieces being offered for Parker that we have heard of. Only lousy pics and mediocre players.

[DesignatedT]

Any Sac deal involving Salmons now for Jefferson is pretty much lateral, aside from contracts. Now it will only make sense if TP is involved. Salmons is basically a little less expensive Jefferson, so trading for him and the 10th with Hill doesn't really make the team better.

I'll take Salmons over Jefferson. Isn't saying much though.

[DBMethos]

I truly believe that TP will still be a Spur by the end of the night. My only hope is that he uses these trade talks as motivation to get out there and bust ass next year. Especially when everyone in the media (who obviously never actually watch the Spurs) believes that Hill would be a competent PG replacement.

[loveforthegame]

40 pages of draft chat when later tonight it'll be:

"With the 29th pick, the San Antonio Spurs select *insert unknown foreign guy's name*"

and a lot of "WHO THE FUCK?" posts.

It's going to be so anti-climatic. :lmao

I know. :depressed

[timvp]

It's open season on Parker hating. A bad playoff run plus dumb comments = the haters are going to dominate the conversation. Spurs fans with half a brain understand his value.

You'd think that Ginobili getting hurt four years in a row in the playoffs and thus killing the team's chances would have some of the venom aimed at him ... but it just doesn't work that way.

[baseline bum]

Parker hits 30 years old next year. His value will start to diminish but you don't get rid of him for John Salmons.

Can it really diminish any worse than Parker for shitty pick + shitty scrub? Any of the deals mentioned here are already worst-case moves.

[joshdaboss]

We'll be rolling out the all-softie Spurs team next season:

Calderon, Hill, RJ, Bonner, Bargnani

Why is it those guys are soft? What's the criteria for that? A guy like Bonner hustles his ass off and tries as hard as he can on every play. He mixes it up. To me, that's the exact opposite of soft. Games aren't won by having a roster of 12 players with 40" verticals.

[ElNono]

I would take Salmons over RJ in a second. I don't care if he ends up being a bust too. At least his last year isn't guaranteed.

[ohmwrecker]

This love for Casspi is troubling. I would think Spurs fans would have learned their lesson with Turkoglu.