General Free Agent Signings/Trades

[baseline bum]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Thunder to re-sign sharpshooter Daequan Cook to a two-year, $7.5 million deal, source tells @YahooSports.


Wow. WTF Presti?

[objective]

if there was a backlash the agents in question would have made sure they didn't talk to the Spurs and would have made sure a Woj article making it clear that the Spurs were being blacklisted days ago.

[Nathan89]

What an uneventful day.(for the spurs)

[TDMVPDPOY]

Wonder if the Mavs will get to use their large TE on someone.

they are still in the hunt for d12 and deron williams sweepstakes as long they both dont extend contracts with nets/magic

how come the spurs dont have out a TE, and get nene + howard for rj+bonner+dice+picks.....

[ace3g]

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Boston signs forward Chris Wilcox

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
The Magic have acquired Von Wafer as part of their sign-and-trade with the Celtics. Wafer will sign a three-year deal:

[ace3g]

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Source: Cektics close to deal with free agent forward David West. Story up soon on NBA.com.

[slick'81]

damn u boston lmao

[TimmehC]

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Source: Cektics close to deal with free agent forward David West. Story up soon on NBA.com.

ST meltdown in 3... 2...

[ace3g]

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
The Atlanta Hawks have signed Vladimir Radmanovic, according to press release.

[loveforthegame]

Sweet. The Spurs big addition this season is TJ Ford.

[timtonymanu]

Meh. I don't care for West anyway.

I'm just more worried that it has been ridiculously quiet on the Spurs free agent front.

[baseline bum]

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Source: Cektics close to deal with free agent forward David West. Story up soon on NBA.com.

They're getting West for the luxury tax midlevel????????? Can't be serious. Does Boston have a big trade exception or something?

[slick'81]

They're getting West for the luxury tax midlevel????????? Can't be serious. Does Boston have a big trade exception or something?


thats what i was wondering how

[stephen jackson]

why didnt we go after wilcox... id prefer him over west

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As @Daldridgetnt reports, David West close w/ Celtics. Y! Sources say sides working on a sign-and-trade for a 3-year, $27-29M deal.

[slick'81]

bye bye jeff green

[baseline bum]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As @Daldridgetnt reports, David West close w/ Celtics. Y! Sources say sides working on a sign-and-trade for a 3-year, $27-29M deal.

Haha, Stern just rubbing salt in the Laker fans wounds now.

[GSH]

For those of you who are reduced to hoping for Ronnie Turiaf - he's going to the Wizards for a 2nd round pick.

[jesterbobman]

Probably the Expiring contract of O'Neal, plus players/picks(some combination of Johnson, Bradley and a 1st round pick). Celtics are small, but their bigs are good shooters (West, Garnett and Bass are all very good shooters from 15 feet.)

[baseline bum]

Seriously, I can't see why the Spurs are going to try to come back with the same team when that team couldn't make it through a normally-paced schedule and looked out of gas last year.

[slick'81]

Seriously, I can't see why the Spurs are going to try to come back with the same team when that team couldn't make it through a normally-paced schedule and looked out of gas last year.


they did it last season

[MaNu4Tres]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As @Daldridgetnt reports, David West close w/ Celtics. Y! Sources say sides working on a sign-and-trade for a 3-year, $27-29M deal.

Spurs could have sign and traded for him using Dyess/Blair/Butler. Unfortunately, San Antonio is no longer a premiere destination for free agents. :depressed

[5in10]

Any word on Earl Clark?

[ace3g]

pdxtrailblazers Trail Blazers
LaMarcus Aldridge Undergoes Successful Heart Procedure: Portland Trail Blazers forward/center LaMarcus Aldridge ... bit.ly/tRAMiF
http://www.iamatrailblazersfan.com/ArticleDisplay/tabid/297/ItemID/2770/Default.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

hope he is ok

[timtonymanu]

Damn the Blazers really got it bad.

[baseline bum]

pdxtrailblazers Trail Blazers
LaMarcus Aldridge Undergoes Successful Heart Procedure: Portland Trail Blazers forward/center LaMarcus Aldridge ... bit.ly/tRAMiF
http://www.iamatrailblazersfan.com/ArticleDisplay/tabid/297/ItemID/2770/Default.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

hope he is ok

Damn, after hearing all the horrible Blazers news today I initially read that as LaMarcus Aldridge Undergoes Unsuccessful Heart Procedure.

[timvp]

David West to the Celtics? Damn, that's a great signing.

I might have to endorse an ST meltdown if the rich keep getting richer while the Spurs go around getting fooled by players who are only using them for leverage.

/emorant

[Dex]

Seriously, I can't see why the Spurs are going to try to come back with the same team when that team couldn't make it through a normally-paced schedule and looked out of gas last year.

Pop: "The shot's just didn't fall" :pctoss

[Mr. Body]

It's delightful to have the normally draining and deeply disappointing SAS offseason in the winter this year.

[dbestpro]

Front office doing its Bonner imitation by wilting when it matters.

[timtonymanu]

Pop: "The shot's just didn't fall" :pctoss

Or

Pop: We're gonna go with what we have.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this is depressing man...we are not addressing our own issues...fck this

throw the MLE at kwame brown or someshit

[Dex]

It's been a quiet day, for sure....but really, let it simmer for a while.

Spurs addressed one need (backup point guard) already.

Apparently they bought some time with McDyess, and there is no rush to amnesty Jefferson; they can do that at any point. They might as well use that time to see if either has any value on the trade market before they make either of those moves, and a lot of teams aren't going to start filling the gaps until they've made their major moves (which I doubt either Dick or Dice qualifies as).

Would've been nice to see a blockbuster moves for the Spurs today...but I'm pretty sure we all know thats probably not going to be in the cards. Doesn't mean all hope is lost. At least this season we only have to exercise two weeks of patience instead of four months.

[Russ]

David West to the Celtics? Damn, that's a great signing.

I might have to endorse an ST meltdown if the rich keep getting richer while the Spurs go around getting fooled by players who are only using them for leverage.

/emorant

This is the right time.

Disastrous commitments have been avoided.

Time for the Spurs FO to calm down, take a deep breath and carve up the situation like Jack the Ripper . . .

Or just plan Jack.

This is where the money is to be made.

Close your eyes RC and it will come to you.

It will . . . :)

[mystargtr34]

So is West going to come off the bench? Or are they going to play an undersized starting lineup.

[tmtcsc]

Any word on Earl Clark?

Yes, the word is "WHO ?"

[Buddy Holly]

Spurs could have sign and traded for him using Dyess/Blair/Butler. Unfortunately, San Antonio is no longer a premiere destination for free agents. :depressed

Spurs didn't want or need David West. Just because you think (foolishly I might add) that he's a good fit, you are wrong and the Spurs know it.

[Nathan89]

Spurs FO needs to throw me a fuckin' bone already. Do something to address you weaknesses. All I want is a gosh damn defensive big. At least then i'll feel like we have a punchers chance on any given night.

They couldn't sign the pg I wanted. I bet they don't get rid of bonner or blair. Now it looks like Rj is going to play as well. Fucking pathetic.

I am happy though that they got rid of Hill and added Luol Deng 2.0.

[Obstructed_View]

Spurs could have sign and traded for him using Dyess/Blair/Butler. Unfortunately, San Antonio is no longer a premiere destination for free agents. :depressed

Wait. San Antonio was a premiere destination for free agents? When the fuck did that happen and how did I miss it????

[TDMVPDPOY]

looks like earl clark is going to get paid by t he look of things how bigs are gettin overpaid this summer

dude has so much untapped potential

[Bruno]

What an ugly first day of free agency for Spurs. Tons of moves and Spurs have done basically nothing. :depressed

[objective]

according to Indy media people, McRoberts will sign with either the Lakers or Memphis.

[ElNono]

^ That sucks. I would've loved to see him as a Spur. Would be interesting to see what kind of deal he gets.

[Mel_13]

^ That sucks. I would've loved to see him as a Spur. Would be interesting to see what kind of deal he gets.

The Lakers can't offer more than the mini-MLE, so he would have been within the Spurs' ability to pay. Aside from that, Laker interest in him is one more sign that they're going to move Gasol.

[DesignatedT]

I think the Spurs are likely trying to make a move via trade now that all the FAs they seemed interested in are gone.

[Dex]

At least we still have Bonner!?!?!?!


:depressed

[objective]

The Spurs could probably use whichever mid-level they're left with after they settle up on Jefferson on one of the China guys if they're willing to wait until March.

Maybe every other team will have blown through their money and and they'd have a shot at Kenyon Martin. I assume Denver would match a Wilson Chandler offer sheet.

[baseline bum]

Capt. 3-23? :vomit:

[Sean Cagney]

What an ugly first day of free agency for Spurs. Tons of moves and Spurs have done basically nothing. :depressed

Come on now we should be used to this by now! Bro we are not players in FA now sides a piece here and there. Do not get depressed.

[mystargtr34]

If Kenyon Martin means no Bonner and Blair.. then i would jump through the roof if he signs.

[jjktkk]

Just guessing, but with all the free agent signings and trades, is the Spurs FO waiting for teams to cut vet. players, and then try to find a player or two? You would think that some vets, who could possibly help the Spurs, will be on the waiver wire, among the flurry of player movement going on.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs didn't want or need David West. Just because you think (foolishly I might add) that he's a good fit, you are wrong and the Spurs know it.


You foolishly missed this then I guess...

https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS/status/144524784385011712

http://www.projectspurs.com/2011-articles/december/spurs-interested-in-david-west.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Hornets-packaging-David-West-in-a-sign-and-trade?urn=nba-wp77


Take your pick.


(And let me add that I never claimed he was a great/good fit like you're falsely accusing me of.) :p:

[therealtruth]

Spurs are going after anybody but it looks like Holt's role in the lockout/new CBA is starting to come back and haunt him.

[Spurs Brazil]

What an ugly first day of free agency for Spurs. Tons of moves and Spurs have done basically nothing. :depressed

My main concern is they aren't talking about sign a big. We have 4 bigs to start the season: Tiago, TD, Blair and Bonner.

I hope they can turn Dice contract in a C/PF

[Spurs Brazil]

Wizards To Acquire Turiaf
Dec 09, 2011 11:17 PM EST

In order to clear salary cap space, the Knicks will trade Ronny Turiaf to the Wizards.

Washington will not give up any players to acquire Turiaf.

The Knicks needed to clear cap space to make room for Tyson Chandler.
Via Michael Lee/Washington Post (via Twitter)

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217290/Wizards_To_Acquire_Turiaf#ixzz1g8HyhNr7

[MaNu4Tres]

Wait. San Antonio was a premiere destination for free agents? When the fuck did that happen and how did I miss it????

90% of the Duncan era. Usually, with whatever money the Spurs had available, they typically signed the best talent for the price. From Derek Anderson to Bruce Bowen to Robert Horry to Brent Barry to Michael Finley to Antonio McDyess. All of those players (outside of Bowen) were highly coveted by teams that had money in their price range. They ultimately chose the Spurs because of Duncan and the chance to win. The only time Spurs had significant cap room, they almost pulled off Jason Kidd (2003).

That time is obviously over, and has been the past few seasons.

[Mr Fundamental]

We've been waiting for a 7 footer since April. But 15 days remaining to start of the season and we only have 6 footer TJ Ford.

[ace3g]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Small forward Rasual Butler signing with Raptors, source tells Y! Sports.

[Mel_13]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Small forward Rasual Butler signing with Raptors, source tells Y! Sports.

Butler, Pietrus, Forbes. Raps collecting wings.

[Big P]

What an ugly first day of free agency for Spurs. Tons of moves and Spurs have done basically nothing. :depressed

What's new?

[Big P]

Butler, Pietrus, Forbes. Raps collecting wings.

I think the Pietrus deal is going to or it already fell through.

[mountainballer]

Butler, Pietrus, Forbes. Raps collecting wings.

making Linas Kleiza available?

news about his health? there were rumors he will play for Zalgiris during the lockout, but didn't happen. still on rehab?

anyway. if he is healthy and available, he would be a nice option.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Utah Has made Josh Howard an offer, source says. No details on numbers. Howard still looking at all options.

[Bruno]

Come on now we should be used to this by now! Bro we are not players in FA now sides a piece here and there. Do not get depressed.

You can have all the rational thoughts possible:
- Spurs are never big FA players.
- Spurs are in a though financial situation.
- It's only the first day or free agency.

All the above is true but it doesn't change that, right now, Spurs offseason sucks ass.

[ace3g]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Mavs' first swipe, I'm told, will be trying to do S-and-T w/Sacramento for Dalembert by using big trade exception from Tyson Chandler deal

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Mavs' first swipe, I'm told, will be trying to do S-and-T w/Sacramento for Dalembert by using big trade exception from Tyson Chandler deal

Good for them. The best possible recovery from Chandler.

[mountainballer]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Mavs' first swipe, I'm told, will be trying to do S-and-T w/Sacramento for Dalembert by using big trade exception from Tyson Chandler deal

which is quite creative considering the Kings have renounced the bird rights for Dalembert.

[rascal]

Why aren't the Spurs making a move for Dalembert?

[mountainballer]

Dalembert didn't want to sign for the MLE with Heat, but with the Spurs he would?

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Why aren't the Spurs making a move for Dalembert?

Because he's lazy and dumb as a bag of rocks.

[Fireball]

Because he's lazy and dumb as a bag of rocks.

this ... and he is a black hole

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Aaron Gray has agreed to a one-year deal with Toronto Raptors, league source tells Y! Sports.

[tdunk21]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Aaron Gray has agreed to a one-year deal with Toronto Raptors, league source tells Y! Sports.

good acquisition by the raps....

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

how many players do the raptors have?

[loveforthegame]

Solid move by the Raps signing Gray.

[ace3g]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @KBergCBS: Source confirms Mbah a Moute, a restricted free agent, signed offer sheet with Denver last night

[Biggems]

I am not good at trade scenarios, so I apologize if this is unrealistic.

How about this trade

Clippers trade
Kaman
Jordan (who agrees to a contract extension prior to deal)
two 1sts

Spurs trade
Blair
Butler
two 2nds

Magic trade
Howard



Clippers receive
Howard

Spurs receive
Jordan

Magic receive
Kaman
Blair
Butler
two 1sts
two 2nds


The Clippers use the Spurs to help them get Howard, and the Spurs get themselves a nice young C in return.

[Muser]

No way the Magic do that.

[tdunk21]

when the lakers are interested in howard, he wouldnt want to go to the clippers....dont see it happening though

[ace3g]

someone mentioned this earlier:

paulcoro Paul Coro
The Suns-Raptors Pietrus trade is off. Agent said Pietrus will return to Phoenix for rehab on his knee. bit.ly/skR8lQ

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/150528

[DesignatedT]

Any chance PHX ends up waiving Pietrus? Wouldn't mind taking a chance on him for cheap if he's out there.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Restricted free agent center Spencer Hawes will sign 1-year qualifying offer with Philadelphia, Hawes tells Y! Sports.

[ElNono]

Any chance PHX ends up waiving Pietrus? Wouldn't mind taking a chance on him for cheap if he's out there.

Pietrus has a bum knee.

[Mr. Body]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Restricted free agent center Spencer Hawes will sign 1-year qualifying offer with Philadelphia, Hawes tells Y! Sports.

I remember when this guy was supposed to be pretty good.

[DesignatedT]

Pietrus has a bum knee.

Yeah I know.

[ace3g]

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
RT @cf_gardner Bucks will match Denver's four-year offer to restricted free agent Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, according to league source.

[benefactor]

Not surprising. With Chandler gone they need him.

[DesignatedT]

Good move by Milwaukee not letting him go.

[benefactor]

Not surprising. With Chandler gone they need him.
Nevermind...got that backwards. Free agency is taking it's toll on me.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Jeremy Pargo has signed a two year deal with Memphis, his agent Brad Ames tells Y! Sports. He played for Maccabi Tel-Aviv last season.

sam_amick Sam Amick
Jeremy Pargo has signed a two-year, $2 million deal with Memphis, his agent Brad Ames says. Pargo played for Maccabi Tel Aviv last season.

[Vic Petro]

This offseason really solidifies the fact that free agents want nothing to do with San Antonio. The only way this team can build is through the draft. We need a top 5 pick desperately.

[Nathan89]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Jeremy Pargo has signed a two year deal with Memphis, his agent Brad Ames tells Y! Sports. He played for Maccabi Tel-Aviv last season.



:depressed

[ace3g]

mr_jasonjones Jason Jones
By the way I can confirm the Kings are trying to lure Andrei Kirilenko from Russia.

w_maxey wendell maxey
getting confirmation 15/16 teams still interested in free agent andrei kirilenko, back in action with cska moscow: bit.ly/9eI6hp

[slick'81]

so pargo was in play just not for sa

[kobyz]

Jeremy Pargo going to Memphis it's disappoint news, i really thought he could have been a stud for us, thousands miles better than TJ Ford!

[kobyz]

Jeremy Pargo going to Memphis it's disappoint news, i really thought he could have been a stud for us, thousands miles better than TJ Ford!

[ace3g]

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Boston has re-signed Jeff Green

[Spurs Brazil]

Chris Forsberg: Jermaine O'Neal acknowledges potential to be dealt in David West deal. Wants contender or will retire.

[baseline bum]

Reports: Knicks sign Mike Bibby, make run at J.J. Barea

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-12-10/reports-knicks-sign-mike-bibby-make-run-at-jj-barea#ixzz1gAtvJGEr

[Spurs Brazil]

Orlando Magic GM says Dwight Howard has requested a trade

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-dwight-howard-trade-magic-1211-20111210,0,3107502.story

[DesignatedT]

Brook Lopez and 2 first rounders seems pretty good if I'm Orlando.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

^ and a chance to get rid of Turkey Glue's contract.

However, this confirmed request for a trade comes at about the same time as I'd expect people in the loop to hear that the Lakers are getting CP3. I don't think that's a coincidence.

[Spurs Brazil]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Dwight Howard has requested that the Orlando Magic trade him to the New Jersey Nets, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

excellent.

[slick'81]

stay away from la dwight on to crooklyn

[elec99]

if there was a backlash the agents in question would have made sure they didn't talk to the Spurs and would have made sure a Woj article making it clear that the Spurs were being blacklisted days ago.

Unlike most here, I do think there is a backlash. There was indeed an article where an agent, who chose to rename anonymous, said he would not direct any of his clients to the spurs for holt's leadership role in the talks. Unless they way overpaid for a player, which as we all know does not happen a whole lot.

Yes I know there were probably 24 other teams who felt the same way but sometimes its the most vocal one that gets punished. And the unnamed agent does not represent the sentiment of all agents, which explains why some players did visit the spurs and gave them some consideration.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Unlike most here, I do think there is a backlash. There was indeed an article where an agent, who chose to rename anonymous, said he would not direct any of his clients to the spurs for holt's leadership role in the talks. Unless they way overpaid for a player, which as we all know does not happen a whole lot.

Yes I know there were probably 24 other teams who felt the same way but sometimes its the most vocal one that gets punished. And the unnamed agent does not represent the sentiment of all agents, which explains why some players did visit the spurs and gave them some consideration.

Would you mind providing a link to that article? Thanks in advance.

[quentin_compson]

I remember when this guy was supposed to be pretty good.

He's still only 23. But I agree that he hasn't been as good yet as he might have been if his career went the best way possible.

[Obstructed_View]

WHen a player turns down the Spurs to sign with a worse team for less money I'll start to believe the blacklisted thing. So far the Spurs have been talking to guys that they can't afford, hoping they'll take less.

[ElNono]

Wow. WTF Presti?

He'll flip him for 3 draft picks down the road...

[elec99]

Would you mind providing a link to that article? Thanks in advance.

BOOYAH! Ask and ye shall receive, this was hard to find btw, having taken place a while ago, the internet is indeed amazing.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/11/09/court-vision-will-nba-give-on-system-issues/

But here is also the quote:

Hoopsworld’s Alex Kennedy talks to an anonymous player agent who says he will direct his clients away from the owners who have taken a hard line during these talks:

“I don’t want any of my clients playing for Michael Jordan, Paul Allen, Robert Sarver, Dan Gilbert or Peter Holt,” said one agent. “We won’t sign with them, unless they’re willing to really overpay. That’s going to be the only way these hardline owners are going to land any free agents after the way they’ve handled these negotiations.”

[elec99]

Granted, were the spurs ever really players in free agency, probably not as much as other teams, but having agents work against you doesnt help.

[elec99]

SO everyone jog your memories, have portland, phoenix, cleveland, or charlotte landed any big names (aside from resigning an existing player)? I've been staying in touch with the signings as much as anyone but coming up blank, maybe its the alcohol currently in my system.....

[TXstbobcat]

Granted, were the spurs ever really players in free agency, probably not as much as other teams, but having agents work against you doesnt help.

We didn't do that well attracting free agents the last few years, even before the lockout. I guess the next star player for the spurs will come from a future draft pick once the rebuilding process starts.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

We didn't do that well attracting free agents the last few years, even before the lockout. I guess the next star player for the spurs will come from a future draft pick once the rebuilding process starts.

Nuggets are in the same boat, at least the Spurs have rings to show for their drafting success :lol

Nuggets won't ever get top free agents to sign there and the team will just have rebuild through the draft and hope they strike the next Tim Duncan ( loyal as opposed to guys like melo ) at some point.

Sucks watching all the big market teams get the top free agents all the time, but it is fun to watch those teams fail as well :hat

[Spurs Brazil]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Boston-NO deal for David West still on hold, sources say. Waiting on NBA. C's rookies, JaJuan Johnson and E'Twan Moore discussed in deal.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Magic re-sign Jason Richardson, 4 years/$25M

[mountainballer]

hmm.
considering what Thornton got, this looks like a bargain. not much more than MLE.

[ace3g]

Pistons sign G-F Damien Wilkins

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nba/2011/12/pistons-sign-g-f-damien-wilkins/1992816?utm_source=feedburner+dcexaminer%2FApConte ntFeed&utm_medium=feed+AP+Content+Feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dcexaminer%2FApContentFeed+%2 8AP+Content+Feed%29feed&utm_content=feed&utm_term=feed

[timvp]

What use for Damien Wilkins do the Pistons have? He's about the last player to sign if you are trying to rebuild.

[ace3g]

MSteinmetzCSN Matt Steinmetz
Warriors to sign DeAndre Jordan to 4-year, $40 million offer sheet Sunday. No Biedrins amnesty to do it. bit.ly/t4OBTN

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/warriors-talk/post/Warriors-to-sign-Jordan-to-four-year-40-?blockID=609864&feedID=5882

[Russ]

MSteinmetzCSN Matt Steinmetz
Warriors to sign DeAndre Jordan to 4-year, $40 million offer sheet Sunday. No Biedrins amnesty to do it. bit.ly/t4OBTN

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/warriors-talk/post/Warriors-to-sign-Jordan-to-four-year-40-?blockID=609864&feedID=5882

Lakers screwing the Clippers to maintain LA dominance?

Laker Jerry strikes again.

[benefactor]

He's gone. Sterling will let him walk.

[Ice009]

He's gone. Sterling will let him walk.

If the Spurs were after Kaman still, and they don't match then I guess he is off the market.

Warriors would have screwed the Spurs again like they did with Maggette.

[TD 21]

@ESPNSteinLine (http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine): CP3 Trade Latest: Sources say Lakers have pulled out of three-team trade for Chris Paul.

@ESPNSteinLine (http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine): Sources say Lakers will instead trade Lamar Odom to Dallas into Mavericks' new trade exception.

This has to be a prelude to a Howard trade.

[loveforthegame]

Damn. The Lakers are going to end up with Howard. :depressed

Nice move for the Mavs too.

[timvp]

Odom and Dirk on the same team? If McDyess retires, the Spurs will have no shot of defending either one. Even if he comes back, that's still probably true.

[timtonymanu]

Yuck. I can imagine Pop throwing Bonner and Blair out there against Dirk and Odom and the Mavs will go on a 27-0 run.

[mystargtr34]

Odom and Dirk on the same team? If McDyess retires, the Spurs will have no shot of defending either one. Even if he comes back, that's still probably true.

Yeah.. and that would still be the least of the Spurs concerns if the Lakers end up with Howard.. which everyone knows they will.

[mystargtr34]

Maybe the Magic requested Gasol instead of Bynum? I agree with TD 21... the Lakers must have some sort of agreement with the Magic for Howard..

Bynum/Gasol + exception + picks for Howard + Turkoglu

[slick'81]

cant wait to c how spurs counter...wait

[ElNono]

yeah, you know Dwight is the next move

[yavozerb]

Maybe the Magic requested Gasol instead of Bynum? I agree with TD 21... the Lakers must have some sort of agreement with the Magic for Howard..

Bynum/Gasol + exception + picks for Howard + Turkoglu

I think by getting rid of Odom and not taking on any salary all it would take would be one player, not both, between Bynum and Gasol. I hope im wrong on this...

[ElNono]

Billups or BDiddy and Lakeshow is set

[ElNono]

cant wait to c how spurs counter...wait

Well, the new CBA ensures parity, so Spurs don't really have to do anything...

[mystargtr34]

I think by getting rid of Odom and not taking on any salary all it would take would be one player, not both, between Bynum and Gasol. I hope im wrong on this...

Yeah agree... only way they would give up both is if a third team is involved and the Lakers get a decent PF.

[jesterbobman]

I think Kawhi would be able to cover one of them OK, but those 2 guys playing together is dangerous.

[Sean Cagney]

cant wait to c how spurs counter...wait

Wait for what? The next Spurs are interested in guy who doesn't come here or gets traded somewhere else? Thats what you will wait for :depressed

[ElNono]

Can't wait to see TJ Ford guarding Odom, tbh...

[mystargtr34]

:lol im just shitting myself at the thought of Howard-Gasol-Kobe... they would even run a train through the Heat.

[slick'81]

yeah its like la almost fcked themselves then come out ahead if they can keep pau and howard together

[TD 21]

Yep, they're definitely getting one of Billups or Davis on the cheap and they're definitely not giving up Gasol. I'm sure they'll get away with Bynum and either some meaningless future 1st or some combination of their pseudo prospects, Ebanks, Caracter and Morris.

If I were one of the big three, I'd snap. Don't give me this "what did you want them to do?" nonsense. The Celtics found a way to acquire West, the Knicks Chandler, the Mavs Odom and soon the Lakers Howard. The first three, at least, were completely unexpected. No one was expecting something of that magnitude, but nothing? The big rotation has been in shambles in recent years and they do nothing to improve it. Not even to make the pieces fit better. Inexplicable. They've turned the situation with Jefferson into a fiasco/circus. They almost have to amnesty him at this point, but probably won't, given the limited options at their disposal and their inability to pull off a trade that involves an ounce of creativity. What a total disaster.

If this was their plan, they may has well have just commenced with a full on re-build. What a waste of a season. You think deep down the big three thinks they have a chance to contend? Not a chance. They're watching the rich get richer and all they have to show for it is Ford and eventually, some big off the scrap heap.

[slick'81]

Yep, they're definitely getting one of Billups or Davis on the cheap and they're definitely not giving up Gasol. I'm sure they'll get away with Bynum and either some meaningless future 1st or some combination of their pseudo prospects, Ebanks, Caracter and Morris.

If I were one of the big three, I'd snap. Don't give me this "what did you want them to do?" nonsense. The Celtics found a way to acquire West, the Knicks Chandler, the Mavs Odom and soon the Lakers Howard. The first three, at least, were completely unexpected. No one was expecting something of that magnitude, but nothing? The big rotation has been in shambles in recent years and they do nothing to improve it. Not even to make the pieces fit better. Inexplicable. They've turned the situation with Jefferson into a fiasco/circus. They almost have to amnesty him at this point, but probably won't, given the limited options at their disposal and their inability to pull off a trade that involves an ounce of creativity. What a total disaster.

If this was their plan, they may has well have just started a re-build. What a waste of a season. You think deep down the big three thinks they have a chance to contend? Not a chance. They're watching the rich get richer and all they have to show for it is Ford and eventually, some big off the scrap heap.


sadly yes

[Sean Cagney]

Yep, they're definitely getting one of Billups or Davis on the cheap and they're definitely not giving up Gasol. I'm sure they'll get away with Bynum and either some meaningless future 1st or some combination of their pseudo prospects, Ebanks, Caracter and Morris.

If I were one of the big three, I'd snap. Don't give me this "what did you want them to do?" nonsense. The Celtics found a way to acquire West, the Knicks Chandler, the Mavs Odom and soon the Lakers Howard. The first three, at least, were completely unexpected. No one was expecting something of that magnitude, but nothing? The big rotation has been in shambles in recent years and they do nothing to improve it. Not even to make the pieces fit better. Inexplicable. They've turned the situation with Jefferson into a fiasco/circus. They almost have to amnesty him at this point, but probably won't, given the limited options at their disposal and their inability to pull off a trade that involves an ounce of creativity. What a total disaster.

If this was their plan, they may has well have just commenced with a full on re-build. What a waste of a season. You think deep down the big three thinks they have a chance to contend? Not a chance. They're watching the rich get richer and all they have to show for it is Ford and eventually, some big off the scrap heap.

These last few years have been really depressing to say the least! Waste of Tims last few years and this year is no different. Trot out the same bullshyt as last year, you get the same result minus the 61 misleading wins.

This is flat out depressing, no shot at all to contend and we all know it from the players on down.

[ElNono]

Anybody surprised MJ, Dan Gilbert, Allen, Holt not even sniffing any of the top FAs?

[AFBlue]

I think by getting rid of Odom and not taking on any salary all it would take would be one player, not both, between Bynum and Gasol. I hope im wrong on this...

Can't pair a trade exception with a player IIRC. Can someone validate that?

[slick'81]

Anybody surprised MJ, Dan Gilbert, Allen, Holt not even sniffing any of the top FAs?


damn :depressed

[ElNono]

Lakers would need to absorb Turkoglu probably, so he would cover for Odom.

[AFBlue]

Billups or BDiddy and Lakeshow is set

Disgusting.

[DesignatedT]

This league is totally fucked. I thought the new CBA was meant to prevent shit like this from happening all the time :lol

[slick'81]

This league is totally fucked. I thought the new CBA was meant to prevent shit like this from happening all the time :lol


right!! players calling the shots big markets reloading wtf changed :lol

[ElNono]

The Spurs simply have a very expensive big 3... and the 4th guy (RJ) is just a shit trade asset due to the contract. That just gives you very little wiggle room. TD comes off the books next year, so they'll have some flexibility then.

[AFBlue]

This league is totally fucked. I thought the new CBA was meant to prevent shit like this from happening all the time :lol

Disgusting.

[AFBlue]

Lakers are bound to get Howard, CP3 ends up in NY next year (no matter where he plays this season), Mavs stay competitive with a horribly lopsided deal, and the Spurs still have RJ.

If you can't tell by my last few posts, I'm disgusted.

[AFBlue]

Double post

[Sean Cagney]

The Spurs simply have a very expensive big 3... and the 4th guy (RJ) is just a shit trade asset due to the contract. That just gives you very little wiggle room. TD comes off the books next year, so they'll have some flexibility then.

YES, but thats at the expense of Timmays last year in hell :depressed:depressed. I will miss him alot if he doesn't resign for cheap next year and play another year, but man his last years were wasted. THANK GOD we had a prime Tim for David and he was on top his last year and we were a competitor his last few.
Lakers are bound to get Howard, CP3 ends up in NY next year (no matter where he plays this season), Mavs stay competitive with a horribly lopsided deal, and the Spurs still have RJ.

If you can't tell by my last few posts, I'm disgusted.

I AM THERE, I am disgusted and about done with this crap.

[ElNono]

YES, but thats at the expense of Timmays last year in hell :depressed:depressed. I will miss him alot if he doesn't resign for cheap next year and play another year, but man his last years were wasted. THANK GOD we had a prime Tim for David and he was on top his last year and we were a competitor his last few.

It's allright. I'm glad we're honoring the guys that brought the :lobt: home.

[DesignatedT]

Lakers are bound to get Howard, CP3 ends up in NY next year (no matter where he plays this season), Mavs stay competitive with a horribly lopsided deal, and the Spurs still have RJ.

If you can't tell by my last few posts, I'm disgusted.

Pretty much. If you don't draft well you essentially have no chance as a small market team. This shit is really getting old and ruins the league.

[ElNono]

Disgusting.


This league is totally fucked. I thought the new CBA was meant to prevent shit like this from happening all the time :lol


right!! players calling the shots big markets reloading wtf changed :lol


Lakers are bound to get Howard, CP3 ends up in NY next year (no matter where he plays this season), Mavs stay competitive with a horribly lopsided deal, and the Spurs still have RJ.

If you can't tell by my last few posts, I'm disgusted.


Pretty much. If you don't draft well you essentially have no chance as a small market team. This shit is really getting old and ruins the league.







http://www.warriorsworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/david_stern.jpg

[baseline bum]

Yeah.. and that would still be the least of the Spurs concerns if the Lakers end up with Howard.. which everyone knows they will.

This season should be the least of the Spurs concerns. They need to trade Parker and Ginobili ASAP and lean on RC's drafting ability. The draft is the single way the Spurs can be built; always has been, always will be.

[AFBlue]

This season should be the least of the Spurs concerns. They need to trade Parker and Ginobili ASAP and lean on RC's drafting ability. The draft is the single way the Spurs can be built; always has been, always will be.

Won't happen.

[Sean Cagney]

It's allright. I'm glad we're honoring the guys that brought the :lobt: home.

Oh yeah our guys are loyal! They do not run to other teams to get rings and all the hype! I take my hats off to all of them, they never begged to be traded or whined for help like others (Kobe etc.). This leauge and superteams has lost it's identity now.

[underdawg]

Oh yeah our guys are loyal! They do not run to other teams to get rings and all the hype! I take my hats off to all of them, they never begged to be traded or whined for help like others (Kobe etc.). This leauge and superteams has lost it's identity now.

I agree and there's still more value for the big 3 ahead instead of "blowing it up" - get young players and develop them under the guidance and tutelage of the big 3. Besides, I don't think the return value would actually be more valuable..

Will the Spurs ever be fortunate enough to draft a player like TD again? Odds are that they won't, but the hope is that they can still use the draft and free agency to acquire unknowns and mold them into efficient players in a good system. The only problem with that theory is that it hasn't been practiced in a while.

[Mr. Body]

This league is totally fucked. I thought the new CBA was meant to prevent shit like this from happening all the time :lol

I'm not sure the league was even fighting for competitive concessions for small market teams. Or were they? I dunno. It's a bit fucked. It certainly didn't work.

[analyzed]

Speaking of the draft. Here is a little known secret from small town down under Wellington New Zealand: Steve Adams 7.0" 18 yrs old. (TD. 2.0). I just came from the gym watching this guy play in Wellington this afternoon and the more I watch him the more I'm convinced this guy will be special.

http://www.cardiachill.com/2011/8/7/2350567/2011-adidas-camp-pitt-basketball-recruiting-steven-adams-jamie-dixon-pittsburgh-panthers

Draft experess sees him going in the top 3 in the 2013 draft He is now considered the best big man young foreign talent avaialble.

I actually don't know how the NBA draft elegibility work, can he be drafted next year 2012? even if he scheduled to join Pitt Univessity as a freshman? He afterall should be considered as a foreign talent, aren't the rules different for foreigners, even if he attendng college in the US?

There is no way this guy is going late in the draft in 2013. So 2012 is the Spurs chance. If they can trade down to the top 10, he could be available . Some say if he was part of the 2011 draft he would be in the top 20.

The other thing I can say about Steve is he has TD type of demeneor and personality. This guys would be more confortable playing in San antionio than big cities. This guys will shy away from the big lights.

Well anyway just saying..

[Obstructed_View]

Yuck. I can imagine Pop throwing Bonner and Blair out there against Dirk and Odom and the Mavs will go on a 27-0 run.

Only when the shots aren't falling though.

[ace3g]

Indiana is also negotiating with free-agent forward Carl Landry, sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_pacers_also_interested_in_West_121011

[Obstructed_View]

This league is totally fucked. I thought the new CBA was meant to prevent shit like this from happening all the time :lol

Not sure how it's the Lakers' fault that they're willing to trade everyone to get Dwight Howard and the Spurs aren't willing to trade anyone to get anyone. It's also not the Lakers' fault that the Spurs traded for a guy with a shitty contract and didn't trade it away when it had value, instead conspiring with the guy against the rules to extend his contract and pay him more money, praying that he was going to suddenly be something he'd never been in his career.

[Buddy Holly]

Let's do it!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7gfsujt

:lol

[Bruno]

I don't get the Odom to Dallas trade.

The reason why Mavs didn't keep Chandler was to get cap space in 2012. Trading for Odom will eat some of this cap space. Odom has a $8.2M salary in 2012-2013 that is $2.4M guaranteed.

This trade makes no sense for Lakers unless it's followed by another trade. They are some rumors with Howard and Paul but it's far from sure they can get either.

A weird move.

[SenorSpur]

I don't get the Odom to Dallas trade.

The reason why Mavs didn't keep Chandler was to get cap space in 2012. Trading for Odom will eat some of this cap space. Odom has a $8.2M salary in 2012-2013 that is $2.4M guaranteed.

This trade makes no sense for Lakers unless it's followed by another trade. They are some rumors with Howard and Paul but it's far from sure they can get either.

A weird move.

I read that the Mavs shrewedly used the trade exception they just received for Tyson Chandler. Basically, they got Odom for nothing. The trade exception, now acquired by the Lakers, could help them take back an additional contract the Magic want to dump, in any potential Dwight Howard trade scenario. Supposedly, the ulterior motive behind the Mavs move to acquire Odom is to help enable the Fakers to trade for Howard. Their thinking is if Howard ends up in Fakerland, as opposed to New Jersey, then Deron Williams will be less likely to stay in New Jersey. The Mavs desparately want to entice Williams, a Dallas native, to consider coming home and playing for the Mavs.

[objective]

76ers beat writer is saying that Speights is 'almost certain' to be moved.

[024]

after odom's crying on the radio and decision to skip practice, it is pretty clear the lakers needed to send him away. this will give the lakers some flexibility in cap room and a TE for when a good deal comes along. now they can be in the running for howard.

[Bruno]

I read that the Mavs shrewedly used the trade exception they just received for Tyson Chandler. Basically, they got Odom for nothing. The trade exception, now acquired by the Lakers, could help them take back an additional contract the Magic want to dump, in any potential Dwight Howard trade scenario. Supposedly, the ulterior motive behind the Mavs move to acquire Odom is to help enable the Fakers to trade for Howard. Their thinking is if Howard ends up in Fakerland, as opposed to New Jersey, then Deron Williams will be less likely to stay in New Jersey. The Mavs desparately want to entice Williams, a Dallas native, to consider coming home and playing for the Mavs.

The trade exception is useless in a trade for Howard. It's too small to absorb Hedo's contract. Magic could ask Lakers to take Duhon or Q Rich contract but Lakers have still another trade exception big enough to do it.

Since this doesn't really help Lakers getting Howard, I don't see why Mavs would do it with Deron Williams as "ulterior motive".

[Bruno]

76ers beat writer is saying that Speights is 'almost certain' to be moved.

Speights and Brand have a very bad relationship. I guess it's smart to move one of them. He is an interesting young bigman even if there are some red flags surrounding him.

[mountainballer]

This trade makes no sense for Lakers unless it's followed by another trade. They are some rumors with Howard and Paul but it's far from sure they can get either.

A weird move.

this trade might become the most genious move of the decade, if the following scenario materializes (and if it's a possible scenario under CBA rules, please tell me if it's legal):

LA has a negotiated a package for Gasol with HOU. this should still be on the table, it's a nice deal for the Rockets. this package now goes to ORL with Bynum. Scola goes to LA, that's why they might need the TE from the Odom trade.

LA gets D12 and Scola
ORL gets Bynum, Martin, Dragic and picks
HOU gets Gasol and clears cap space for a run at Nene or (watch this) Mark Gasol !!!

if this is possible and legal (maybe needs some more adjustments), this is a win win win situation for all 3 teams IMO.

EDIT: the Magic need to include Hedo into the LA package, then it works. clears Hedo as well off the books now that Arenas will be the AC waiver.

[Seventyniner]

this trade might become the most genious move of the decade, if the following scenario materializes (and if it's a possible scenario under CBA rules, please tell me if it's legal):

LA has a negotiated a package for Gasol with HOU. this should still be on the table, it's a nice deal for the Rockets. this package now goes to ORL with Bynum. Scola goes to LA, that's why they might need the TE from the Odom trade.

LA gets D12 and Scola
ORL gets Bynum, Martin, Dragic and picks
HOU gets Gasol and clears cap space for a run at Nene or (watch this) Mark Gasol !!!

if this is possible and legal (maybe needs some more adjustments), this is a win win win situation for all 3 teams IMO.

EDIT: the Magic need to include Hedo into the LA package, then it works. clears Hedo as well off the books now that Arenas will be the AC waiver.

I don't think trade exceptions can be combined. That is, two $5M trade exceptions can't be used to take back a $10M salary. Then again, I could be wrong.

[benefactor]

Looks like Sterling will surprise all of us.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7341018/los-angeles-clippers-match-deandre-jordan-offer-sheet-golden-state-warriors

[Giuseppe]

Not sure how it's the Lakers' fault that they're willing to trade everyone to get Dwight Howard and the Spurs aren't willing to trade anyone to get anyone. It's also not the Lakers' fault that the Spurs traded for a guy with a shitty contract and didn't trade it away when it had value, instead conspiring with the guy against the rules to extend his contract and pay him more money, praying that he was going to suddenly be something he'd never been in his career.

My goodness.

[mountainballer]

I don't think trade exceptions can be combined. That is, two $5M trade exceptions can't be used to take back a $10M salary. Then again, I could be wrong.

the TE isn't combined. technically the Scola for TE trade is a seperate trade. and this works, b/c the TE is 8.9 million and Scola salary is 8.6 million.

the 3 team trade looks like this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7wrs2hv

[Anonymous Cowherd]

So why do the Rockets give up Scola for nothing?

Surely another team with cap space would take Scola and give them back some draft picks, a good young contract, etc.

[DPG21920]

Like Bruno said, the TE from Odom isn't enough to absorb Hedo, so that is a hiccup. They could want Bynum/Martin, but they would have to value players more than cap space which I somewhat doubt. I also don't see why they wouldn't want Scola in the deal if that was the case.

[mountainballer]

Scola is 31 and has 4 years and 40 million left on his contract.
yeah, teams will line up to take this contract and send back picks.

but you missed the major point, that is to clear cap space for either Nene or Mark Gasol. if it means to give up a good but aging player, for a younger and better player, you don't ask if the return could be slightly better.

and Rockets have a replacement in the house in Patterson and Hill will also get more minutes.

[Russ]

So why do the Rockets give up Scola for nothing?

Something about that just made me chuckle. :)

[mountainballer]

Like Bruno said, the TE from Odom isn't enough to absorb Hedo, so that is a hiccup. They could want Bynum/Martin, but they would have to value players more than cap space which I somewhat doubt. I also don't see why they wouldn't want Scola in the deal if that was the case.

sorry friends, I can't do more than try to explain how it works technically in my limited english.
and yes, it would work without the Scola move as well, but the Scola move might be a requirement from the Rockets, b/c they have a bigger picture in mind. please notice that it either frees cap space and/or saves money AND it creates a TE as well. (a TE that could alo be used for a SG for example)

[Mel_13]

So why do the Rockets give up Scola for nothing?

Surely another team with cap space would take Scola and give them back some draft picks, a good young contract, etc.

They're not giving him up for nothing in that scenario. They're giving him up as part of a package to get Gasol just as they were prepared to do in the Paul trade. It just occurs in a separate transaction to meet the rules.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Not sure how it's the Lakers' fault that they're willing to trade everyone to get Dwight Howard and the Spurs aren't willing to trade anyone to get anyone. It's also not the Lakers' fault that the Spurs traded for a guy with a shitty contract and didn't trade it away when it had value, instead conspiring with the guy against the rules to extend his contract and pay him more money, praying that he was going to suddenly be something he'd never been in his career.

True. Spurs have noone to blame but their own incompetencies and fuckups for their roster struggles over the past 4-5 years.

[lcroock]

Anybody heard anything about Michael Redd's status? I assume he is not cleared to play but I have not seen anything on him for awhile.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The Los Angeles Clippers plan to match the Golden State Warriors' offer sheet of four years and $40 million for center DeAndre Jordan, a league source said, a move that will practically force starting center Chris Kaman to seek a trade elsewhere, according to a second source.http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7341018/los-angeles-clippers-match-deandre-jordan-offer-sheet-golden-state-warriors

[Texas_Ranger]

Spurs FO is fucking pathetic... Our center line is shit and we still didn't do nothing. I guess we'll sign Oberto, trade Dice for some 2nd rounders and hat will be it.

[Spurs Brazil]

Mavericks' Draft Pick In Odom Trade Top 20 Protected
Dec 11, 2011 11:32 AM EST

The Mavericks traded an $8.9 million trade exception, plus a future protected pick to the Lakers for Lamar Odom.

The pick is top-20 protected, meaning that if the Mavericks are selecting in the top-20 picks of the draft, they keep the pick.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/news#ixzz1gFGwDbO9

[Spurs Brazil]

Knicks Working On Crawford Sign-And-Trade
Dec 11, 2011 11:37 AM EST

The Knicks are seeking a three-team sign-and-trade to acquire Jamal Crawford, according to a source.

One source put the odds of a deal being consummated at better than 50 percent.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/news#ixzz1gFH2EoCj

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Mavericks' Draft Pick In Odom Trade Top 20 Protected
Dec 11, 2011 11:32 AM EST

The Mavericks traded an $8.9 million trade exception, plus a future protected pick to the Lakers for Lamar Odom.

The pick is top-20 protected, meaning that if the Mavericks are selecting in the top-20 picks of the draft, they keep the pick.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/news#ixzz1gFGwDbO9

Good deal for Dallas :tu. Odom must've been really pissed.

[SenorSpur]

Good deal for Dallas :tu. Odom must've been really pissed.

Why should he be pissed? After all, he dodged a bullet because he almost wound up in New Orleans.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Why should he be pissed? After all, he dodged a bullet because he almost wound up in New Orleans.

I meant pissed at LA for trying to dump him. He took the loyalty thing to another level.

[The Truth #6]

Mavericks' Draft Pick In Odom Trade Top 20 Protected
Dec 11, 2011 11:32 AM EST

The Mavericks traded an $8.9 million trade exception, plus a future protected pick to the Lakers for Lamar Odom.

The pick is top-20 protected, meaning that if the Mavericks are selecting in the top-20 picks of the draft, they keep the pick.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/news#ixzz1gFGwDbO9

Realgm commented that LA is now focusing on trading Gasol and Bynum for Dwight Howard...hmm, to me Howard by himself is not better than Gasol and Bynum, and for sure not without Odom still around.

I think the Lakers are putting too much hope in Howard. I think this easily could be a step back considering they are emptying all their big man depth. To me, Howard is overrated. He doesn't seem to be a player who is going to win a big game for you, which is kind of helpful in the playoffs.

So as a Spurs fan, I'm happy to see LA gut their depth just to make news. Gasol has twice as many skills as Howard. Howard has the better potential but I've never considered him a great center like those we saw in the 80s.

[Duncan2177]

Clippers To Match DeAndre Jordan Offer Sheet
Dec 11, 2011 11:10 AM EST

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217365/Clippers_To_Match_DeAndre_Jordan_Offer_Sheet

[ajballer4]

Realgm commented that LA is now focusing on trading Gasol and Bynum for Dwight Howard...hmm, to me Howard by himself is not better than Gasol and Bynum, and for sure not without Odom still around.

I think the Lakers are putting too much hope in Howard. I think this easily could be a step back considering they are emptying all their big man depth. To me, Howard is overrated. He doesn't seem to be a player who is going to win a big game for you, which is kind of helpful in the playoffs.

So as a Spurs fan, I'm happy to see LA gut their depth just to make news. Gasol has twice as many skills as Howard. Howard has the better potential but I've never considered him a great center like those we saw in the 80s.

It's gonna be Kobe and Shaq part 2

[Obstructed_View]

Realgm commented that LA is now focusing on trading Gasol and Bynum for Dwight Howard...hmm, to me Howard by himself is not better than Gasol and Bynum, and for sure not without Odom still around.

I think the Lakers are putting too much hope in Howard. I think this easily could be a step back considering they are emptying all their big man depth. To me, Howard is overrated. He doesn't seem to be a player who is going to win a big game for you, which is kind of helpful in the playoffs.

So as a Spurs fan, I'm happy to see LA gut their depth just to make news. Gasol has twice as many skills as Howard. Howard has the better potential but I've never considered him a great center like those we saw in the 80s.

I was thinking about Dwight and Kobe on the same team. The big game fourth quarter folds should be legendary.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

You guys be interested in Speights?

Nuggets are apparently in talk with the sixers about trying to acquire him for a future 2nd rd pick.

Decent player if he can stay healthy

[Mel_13]

You guys be interested in Speights?

Nuggets are apparently in talk with the sixers about trying to acquire him for a future 2nd rd pick.

Decent player if he can stay healthy

Nuggs have cap space, Spurs don't.

[Obstructed_View]

You guys be interested in Speights?

Nuggets are apparently in talk with the sixers about trying to acquire him for a future 2nd rd pick.

Decent player if he can stay healthy

He's 6'10", so I assume they aren't.

Can he shoot threes?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Nuggs have cap space, Spurs don't.

Oh, I didn't realize. No wonder you guys are ticked about RJ

[Mugen]

3 Team Trade idea between SA/LAC/NO:

Spurs Trade: RJ/DeJuan to the Clippers, McDyess to the Hornets

Clippers Trade: Aminu/Kaman to the Spurs, Eric Gordon/Bledsoe/Minny pick to the Hornets

New Orleans Trade: Chris Paul to the Clippers, Future 2nd Rounder to the Spurs

Spurs
TP/Manu/Leonard or Aminu/TD/Kaman

Clippers
CP3/Caron/RJ/Blake/Jordan w/ Blair off the Bench

Hornets
Couple of young talented guards, unprotected lottery pick and cap relief with Dice's Contract


trade is approved. what say you?

[DPG21920]

They aren't taking RJ

[TDMVPDPOY]

3 Team Trade idea between SA/LAC/NO:

Spurs Trade: RJ/DeJuan to the Clippers, McDyess to the Hornets

Clippers Trade: Aminu/Kaman to the Spurs, Eric Gordon/Bledsoe/Minny pick to the Hornets

New Orleans Trade: Chris Paul to the Hornets, Future 2nd Rounder to the Spurs

Spurs
TP/Manu/Leonard or Aminu/TD/Kaman

Clippers
CP3/Caron/RJ/Blake/Jordan w/ Blair off the Bench

Hornets
Couple of young talented guards, unprotected lottery pick and cap relief with Dice's Contract


trade is approved. what say you?

not sure if serious

[Mugen]

not sure if serious


lol edited, good catch


They aren't taking RJ

True. But they might consider it if means getting CP.

No brainer for the Spurs and hornets but that Clippers team can contend out of the West for the next 3 years.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Clippers giving up way too much in that scenario.

At the moment, their offer for CP3 - Kaman/Aminu/Bledsoe - is stalling because they won't give up either of Eric Gordon or their Minny 1st-round pick, and the Hornets want one or the other.


If the Hornets aren't too bothered about Kaman and want to rebuild, we could sneak in giving them Blair and Dice's contract, and take Ariza off their hands. This would give the Hornets a decent amount of cap relief. In return for helping them out with getting CP3, Clippers take RJ's contract. But it's a stretch.

[ace3g]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Frontcourt enforcer Kurt Thomas, I'm strongly told, headed to Portland on two-year deal. Blazermaniacs deserve some good news

[Nathan89]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Frontcourt enforcer Kurt Thomas, I'm strongly told, headed to Portland on two-year deal. Blazermaniacs deserve some good news

I'm sure they are jumping with joy.

[Fireball]

I'm sure they are jumping with joy.

Hopefully not too high, otherwise they might hurt themselves ...

[The Truth #6]

It's gonna be Kobe and Shaq part 2

Kind of...except that Shaq was completely unguardable when he wanted to be and Howard's offense is still inconsistent and is even more of a free throw liability than Shaq. Howard is no Shaq.

[Harry Callahan]

Kind of...except that Shaq was completely unguardable when he wanted to be and Howard's offense is still inconsistent and is even more of a free throw liability than Shaq. Howard is no Shaq.

And Bryant is staring the inevitable decline square in the face. Howard is an physical wonder, but has some limitations as you said.

[The Truth #6]

I was thinking about Dwight and Kobe on the same team. The big game fourth quarter folds should be legendary.

Their lack of depth will hurt them in this shortened season. Also, as Kobe declines they need post scoring more than ever and I don't see Howard delivering there.

I can see how Howard will improve their defense in theory...but against the Spurs I think our offense will actually be more effective against them now. For sure, Brown will improve their defense overall. But the Spurs don't have any real low post threat anyway, so I don't see what he by himself is taking away from us.

Not to mention Meta World Peace looking to be a huge distraction to Brown and his attempt to assert authtority...yeah, this will be an interesting season for everyone but for the Lakers as well. I'm not saying they're going to be bad by any stretch but I'm not sure where they are headed either.

[Mark in Austin]

If I'm the clips Gordan is pretty damn near untouchable. At this point it is easier to find a solid PG for a team than it is a 2. Gordan is set up to be a top 3 player at his position for the next 6 years.

[Spurs Brazil]

Magic Tell Dwight To Prepare To Stay Put For Foreseeable Future
Dec 11, 2011 12:32 PM EST

When Dwight Howard asked to be traded, the Magic informed him that the team will not let his request dictate their timetable for a decision.

"[S]ources close to the team said there will be no rush to judgment on Howard's fate, no matter how uncomfortable the relationship might get leading up to the March trade deadline," writes Sam Amick. "When Howard requested a trade earlier this week, the source said he was told the Magic wouldn't succumb to the mounting pressure and that Howard should be prepared to play for the Magic for the foreseeable future."

A complicating factor could be that Orlando is investigating possible tampering by the Nets, the team that is reportedly Howard's first choice.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/news#ixzz1gFwop1MC

[ace3g]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
ESPN link to latest on Indy bid for David West and talks w/Grizz to deal sign-and-traded Josh McRoberts for O.J. Mayo: es.pn/syoKLu

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7341777/indiana-pacers-work-trade-oj-mayo-according-sources

[Spurs Brazil]

Grizzlies, Pacers Resume McRoberts For Mayo Discussions
Dec 11, 2011 2:22 PM EST

The Grizzlies and Pacers have returned to Josh McRoberts for O.J. Mayo trade talks, according to sources.

The two were involved in a multi-team trade at last February's deadline that didn't go through.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/news#ixzz1gFxKjzoD

[Fireball]

I like what the Pacers are trying to accomplish ... good moves

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
David West has agreed to a 2 year, $20 million deal with Pacers, league source tells Y.

[DPG21920]

Ya, adding West, Hill & possibly OJ Mayo with only losing McRoberts is a pretty damn solid job.

[timtonymanu]

I think I'm gonna start following the Pacers this year.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Houston's close to signing Marc Gasol to max-contract offer sheet, working a sign-and-trade with Memphis to secure him, league sources say.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Rockets are working to sign Marc Gasol to a 4 year, $55M offer sheet, sources tell Y! Memphis would have 3 days to match, or lose him.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

interesting.

[DesignatedT]

Memphis will match. That's a nice contract though.

[Mugen]

now revisit Pau to HOU and the Rox have a scary frontcourt with the Gasol brothers.

[DPG21920]

Is MEM that concerned with payroll that they would be willing to move backwards and not match?

[ChuckD]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
David West has agreed to a 2 year, $20 million deal with Pacers, league source tells Y.

Wait, what happened to Boston, and the corpse of J O'Neal??

[DPG21920]

NO couldn't find any takers for JO so the deal died.

[timvp]

Good news that DWest isn't headed to the Cetics :tu

:lol @ the Rockets melting down after not landing one Gasol brother and throwing a max offer at the other Gasol brother.

[DPG21920]

Is 13M that out of line for Marc in this market? I don't think so. This is still a crazy FA market though.

[Juanobili]

what's up with Nene?

[Obstructed_View]

Good news that DWest isn't headed to the Cetics :tu

:lol @ the Rockets melting down after not landing one Gasol brother and throwing a max offer at the other Gasol brother.

At least they're throwing money at the right one this time.

[Fireball]

I think I'm gonna start following the Pacers this year.

Me too ... it seems George really got in a lucky position there. It does not take much to make a huge leap in the Eastern conference and the Pacers are willing to do so. Starting Five of Hibbert, West, Granger, George and Collison would definitely look good.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Damn. Pacers have a Nice team. If they land Mayo for McRoberts they would have the best backcourt in the league. George, Granger, Hill, Mayo, Jones, Collison, Rush, Price. Schedule not going to give them trouble & could make some real noise in the playoffs.

[baseline bum]

That's gotta piss Hill off; where does he fit on that team with Collison, Granger, and Mayo ahead of him?

[DPG21920]

What, BB? Hill have plenty of minutes at PG & SG. Granger is a SF only. Hill doesn't really play SF (or at least he shouldn't, he did at times on the Spurs because of lack of personnel.)

[superbigtime]

3 Team Trade idea between SA/LAC/NO:

Spurs Trade: RJ/DeJuan to the Clippers, McDyess to the Hornets

Clippers Trade: Aminu/Kaman to the Spurs, Eric Gordon/Bledsoe/Minny pick to the Hornets

New Orleans Trade: Chris Paul to the Clippers, Future 2nd Rounder to the Spurs

Spurs
TP/Manu/Leonard or Aminu/TD/Kaman

Clippers
CP3/Caron/RJ/Blake/Jordan w/ Blair off the Bench

Hornets
Couple of young talented guards, unprotected lottery pick and cap relief with Dice's Contract


trade is approved. what say you?

I say someone get this to Buford.

[DPG21920]

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[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Must be tough to watch your squad just stand still while moves are being made. Felt the same way last year w/ the Mavs, then we trade for Chandler and look what happened. Point being it may look bleak now... but one move and the Spurs could change everything.

[Obstructed_View]

Must be tough to watch your squad just stand still while moves are being made. Felt the same way last year w/ the Mavs, then we trade for Chandler and look what happened. Point being it may look bleak now... but one move and the Spurs could change everything.

That's the thing. Who thought Chandler was a difference maker on a title team? Don't recall that it was a highly regarded move.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
DeAndre Jordan has signed a 4 year, $43 million offer sheet with Golden State, agent Greg Lawrence tells Y!

[ElNono]

Must be tough to watch your squad just stand still while moves are being made. Felt the same way last year w/ the Mavs, then we trade for Chandler and look what happened. Point being it may look bleak now... but one move and the Spurs could change everything.

Right now, this is the image I'm getting from our FO:

http://windowsphone7reviews.net/wp-content/plugins/rss-poster/cache/14527_winphone-7-snail-ars-thumb-640xauto-20314.jpg

[Spurs Brazil]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Golden State has used its amnesty waiver on Charlie Bell, team says.

[ace3g]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
CP looking to join Clippers since NYK and Lakers look unlikely. Clips and Hornets talking trade.

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Hornets asking for E Gordon, Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu and 2 1st round picks, sources say

[Sense]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
CP looking to join Clippers since NYK and Lakers look unlikely. Clips and Hornets talking trade.

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Hornets asking for E Gordon, Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu and 2 1st round picks, sources say

That is way too much for Paul... wow.

[Mr. Body]

Seems cheap for Paul, IMO. Only Gordon and the picks are top notch or potentially top notch there. Kaman's good but not great.

[Sean Cagney]

Right now, this is the image I'm getting from our FO:

http://windowsphone7reviews.net/wp-content/plugins/rss-poster/cache/14527_winphone-7-snail-ars-thumb-640xauto-20314.jpg

No! That thing actually moves! :wow

[SenorSpur]

For those who had designs on McRoberts, looks like you can forget about him now too.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7341777/free-agent-david-west-signs-indiana-pacers

The Memphis Grizzlies are in advanced discussions with Indiana on a sign-and-trade deal that would bring free agent Josh McRoberts to the Grizzlies and send guard O.J. Mayo to the Pacers, according to sources close to the process.

[Fireball]

Good, McRoberts will not hurt the Spurs as Mayo often did in the last years ... Grizzlies will look a little different this year.