General Free Agent Signings/Trades

[ace3g]

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Hawks waive Sy, Rolle, Wanamaker. Sy was having a good camp but became expendable when ATL signed Jannero Pargo earlier in the week.

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Source says Bobcats declined to match Grizzlies' 3 yr/$6.3M offer sheet for Dante Cunningham. MEM needs depth after losing D Arthur for year

[benefactor]

All the FO would need is that ONE ELITE frontcourt player - someone along the lines of a DeMarcus Aldridge.
Interesting. I did a search for that guy but it didn't pull up anything. Who does he play for?

[Fireball]

Interesting. I did a search for that guy but it didn't pull up anything. Who does he play for?

Guess he means LaMarcus Cousins :lol

[jjktkk]

Interesting. I did a search for that guy but it didn't pull up anything. Who does he play for?

What the hells wrong with your search engine benefactor? You don't know Demarcus? Thats Lamarcus's 4th cousin, whose playing over in Transylvania. :lol

[ace3g]

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
The Atlanta Hawks have waived Keith Benson, according to press release.

NuggetsMagazine NuggetsMagazine
#TwitNewsNow Denver Nuggets waive Cory Higgins and Michael Ruffin dlvr.it/11vVtR #NBA

[ChumpDumper]

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
The Atlanta Hawks have waived Keith Benson, according to press release.I'd keep an eye on this guy. He's at least the type of player the Spurs need.

[ChumpDumper]

Leonard's college teammate Malcom Thomas also got waived by the Lakers.

[timvp]

Ah, good ol' Micheal Ruffin.

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[Anonymous Cowherd]

ESPNChrisPalmer chris palmer
The Nets waive forward Ime Udoka

uh - oh

[stxspurs]

Nooooooooooo

[jjktkk]

I'd keep an eye on this guy. He's at least the type of player the Spurs need.

Wasn't this guy drafted just last year? IIRC, there were some scouts questioning this kids desire.

[analyzed]

I guess we settle with the best defensive rebounding big waived from the rest of the NBA, to play spot minutes (10- 15min) as our 5th big for the compact regular season. then maybe get a veteran like Kmart for the playoffs.

Yup when all said and done were headed for a 3rd to 5th playoff seed. for a match-up with the likes of Lakers, Clips , Memphis. Yup we can realistically win that 1st round match-up. But anything beyond that , beating OKC or Dallas in the semis is wishful thinking. That my friends is the bottom line

[jjktkk]

I guess we settle with the best defensive rebounding big waived from the rest of the NBA, to play spot minutes (10- 15min) as our 5th big for the compact regular season. then maybe get a veteran like Kmart for the playoffs.

Yup when all said and done were headed for a 3rd to 5th playoff seed. for a match-up with the likes of Lakers, Clips , Memphis. Yup we can realistically win that 1st round match-up. But anything beyond that , beating OKC or Dallas in the semis is wishful thinking. That my friends is the bottom line

I actually think Memphis and OKC have passed Dallas. The Mavs failed to sign Chandler, Barea, and Stevenson, wimo, were vital pieces to that team, who provided defense and scoring off the bench for them.

[ChumpDumper]

Wasn't this guy drafted just last year? IIRC, there were some scouts questioning this kids desire.He went like 48th in 2011.

[TD 21]

I guess we settle with the best defensive rebounding big waived from the rest of the NBA, to play spot minutes (10- 15min) as our 5th big for the compact regular season. then maybe get a veteran like Kmart for the playoffs.

Yup when all said and done were headed for a 3rd to 5th playoff seed. for a match-up with the likes of Lakers, Clips , Memphis. Yup we can realistically win that 1st round match-up. But anything beyond that , beating OKC or Dallas in the semis is wishful thinking. That my friends is the bottom line

There's nobody in the West that it would be "wishful thinking" for the Spurs to beat. If anything, the Spurs would probably have an easier time with the Thunder or Mavs than the Lakers or Grizzlies. See, the question isn't "can they beat (insert team in the West)", it's "can they beat three of them to reach the Finals?".

[jjktkk]

He went like 48th in 2011.

1st round talent, but slipped in the draft IIRC. Definitely worth a look, but it says something that the Hawks, who are lacking bigs, are already giving up in him.

[ChumpDumper]

1st round talent, but slipped in the draft IIRC. Definitely worth a look, but it says something that the Hawks, who are lacking bigs, are already giving up in him.I wouldn't say they are exactly lacking, but it is noteworthy.

Ivan Johnson must really have impressed them. He's certainly paid his dues. Maybe Benson needs to do the same.

[Hoops Czar]

There's nobody in the West that it would be "wishful thinking" for the Spurs to beat. If anything, the Spurs would probably have an easier time with the Thunder or Mavs than the Lakers or Grizzlies. See, the question isn't "can they beat (insert team in the West)", it's "can they beat three of them to reach the Finals?".

Your living in the past. This team would be hard-pressed to make it out of the 1st round. They got worst while the surrounding teams got better. Unless they face the Kings, warriors and Jazz in the postseason, you can forget about the finals.

[ace3g]

paulcoro Paul Coro
The Suns waived Marcus Landry, putting the roster at the 13-man minimum.

[TD 21]

Your living in the past. This team would be hard-pressed to make it out of the 1st round. They got worst while the surrounding teams got better. Unless they face the Kings, warriors and Jazz in the postseason, you can forget about the finals.

No, I'm not. There is no team in the West so good that the Spurs couldn't beat in a series. Losing Odom, Arthur and to a lesser extent, Chandler (not that he's not better than Arthur, I just saw the Mavs as more beatable to begin with), is what led me to that conclusion. But that's more a commentary on the state of the West than it is the Spurs. I wouldn't be shocked if any of the eight projected playoff teams beat any of the others.

The problem with the Spurs, particularly in this compressed schedule and with their lack of quality and quantity in terms of bigs, is they're almost certain to, if not have nagging injuries to key players, run out of gas fast in the playoffs.

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs peaked at the wrong time last year, and it sucks, but that was just as big a factor as the matchup with the Grizzlies. If they peak at the wrong time, they won't beat anyone, and if they peak at the right time, anything can happen.

[ace3g]

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
The Charlotte Bobcats have waived Melvin Ely, Taylor Griffin and Durrell Summers.

Hopefully the Spurs are just waiting till all teams make their roster waivers (to reach league max # of players) before making a trade, etc...

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Interesting. I did a search for that guy but it didn't pull up anything. Who does he play for?

My bad: LaMarcus Aldridge (Portland)

[underdawg]

The Wolves cut guard Bonzi Wells today, so their opening-day roster should be set, barring a last-minute trade. Wells, 35, hasn't played in the NBA since 2008. Minneapolis Star-Tribune (http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/136158183.html)

The Bobcats waived forwards Melvin Ely and Taylor Griffin, and guard Durrell Summers. Oklahoman (http://newsok.com/bobcats-cut-ely-2-others-to-get-roster-to-15/article/feed/329885)

One of two NBA veteran small forwards -- Bostjan Nachbar or Jamario Moon -- could fill out the Charlotte Bobcats' regular-season roster. Bobcats player-personnel chief Rod Higgins plans to bring in Nachbar and Moon for workouts Saturday. Charlotte Observer (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2011/12/nachbar-or-moon-as-charlotte-bobcat.html)

[ace3g]

sam_amick Sam Amick
Source says OKC Thunder expected to complete a buyout of guard Nate Robinson's contract by tomorrow morning and he will become a free agent.

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
New Orleans has traded Quincy Pondexter to Memphis for Grevis Vasquez, a league source tells Y! Sports.

[timvp]

That's a pretty damn good trade for the Hornets. Pondexter is horrible, while Vasquez seems capable of being a pretty solid 8th or 9th man.

[elemento]

I don't get this trade for Memphis

They're trading their backup PG, who played well in the playoffs for a 3rd string SF that hasn't show jack.

Am i missing something ?

[elemento]

I've missed that Memphis signed Pargo this offseason. It looks like they're high on Pargo.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Mavs have entered the bidding to sign Fesenko.



Because they feel like they're short of big men.

So are going to actually do something about it.

[slick'81]

Tim Duncan is concerned about the depth of the Spurs' rotation, particularly in a condensed schedule.
"We need some guys to step up, a lot of guys," Duncan said. "We’re going to need some of our bench to find their way and find their rhythm and help us out a lot." Duncan will start alongside DeJuan Blair in the frontcourt, with only Matt Bonner and Tiago Splitter behind them (unless you count the make-good contracts of Frank Hassell and Luke Zeller). Dec 24 - 2:17 PM
Source: San Antonio Express-News (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/12/23/duncan-sink-or-swim-time-for-spurs-bench/)

[mountainballer]

Grizzlies had a longjam at the guard positions and needed size. makes some sense. they still have more need for a PF. another trade following? Gay?

[Ocotillo]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
New Orleans has traded Quincy Pondexter to Memphis for Grevis Vasquez, a league source tells Y! Sports.

Meh, I remember some wanting to draft Pondexter the year James Anderson was our pick.

[Nathan89]

I've missed that Memphis signed Pargo this offseason. It looks like they're high on Pargo.

Yep, Pargo has clearly shown them that he is a stud. Great pick-up for them...

But at least we got Tj ford...:depressed

[Ice009]

I've missed that Memphis signed Pargo this offseason. It looks like they're high on Pargo.

So was I. I wanted the Spurs to get him. He must be showing them something.

[benefactor]

I was hoping the Spurs would at least feel out interest in Fesenko...especially with the options getting pretty thin. Its not like any of the cast offs are any better.

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs continue to sit back and do nothing....

[venitian navigator]

The only way understand why we're starting with just four bigs (Tim, Bonner, Blair, Splitter) is 'cause :
1) Pop and the F.O. think that we already have five (KL being the n° 5);
2) they want to use these first weeks to understand is right or at least it works;
3)they're not excited with the players currently on the "market" and they think, at the same time, that these players are gonna fill the roster of other teams with guaranteed contracts ... so freeing the possibility for spurs to be competitive, money wise, and so have future chances to sign eventually other (waived de europeised or de-chinesed etc etc.) players.

[venitian navigator]

...with that said I frankly don't understand why the f.o. cut players with minimum contracts that could be extremely useful in case of emergency during these first weeks...considering the economic damage we're gonna suffer, also if we are in lux tax territory, is minimal.
I think would have been better to keep, at least, one "insurance" big guy... I loved some things I saw of Gani Lawal, for example...and the fact he spent the (reduct) training camp with the team is a plus till we can't find any one clearly better than him.

[dunkman]

The only way understand why we're starting with just four bigs (Tim, Bonner, Blair, Splitter) is 'cause :
1) Pop and the F.O. think that we already have five (KL being the n° 5);
2) they want to use these first weeks to understand is right or at least it works;
3)they're not excited with the players currently on the "market" and they think, at the same time, that these players are gonna fill the roster of other teams with guaranteed contracts ... so freeing the possibility for spurs to be competitive, money wise, and so have future chances to sign eventually other (waived de europeised or de-chinesed etc etc.) players.

Pop is going to use small ball more often, so there won't be a need for the fifth big. Since Duncan can't log many minutes and neither can Splitter, the rotation is very thin.

They could still trade RJ mid-season. However, like in the case of Kurt Thomas, that player won't be able to contribute this season. I still have hopes Dice changes his mind and re-signs.

[alfahdlan]

For this season we have Anderson and Splitter at full health. Other pundits even consider Splitter as candidate for most improve player of the year. so why worry? The big we need will come in time if he is really is meant for us.

[TDMVPDPOY]

For this season we have Anderson and Splitter at full health. Other pundits even consider Splitter as candidate for most improve player of the year. so why worry? The big we need will come in time if he is really is meant for us.

any of these frontline combo is good
duncan/blair
duncan/bonner
duncan/splitter

this is not good
blair/bonner
blair/splitter
splitter/bonner

[spurs10]

any of these frontline combo is good
duncan/blair
duncan/bonner
duncan/splitter

this is not good
blair/bonner
blair/splitter
splitter/bonner
As Tim can't play 48 mpg, then I guess our situation is "not good."

[wildbill2u]

Just watched a D league game where Brandon Costner, 6'9" 235, dropped 36 pts many from waaaaay outside. According to the announcers he's the most improved player in the league this year.

Same game SG Osiris Eldridge dropped 52 pts. Are any of these D leaguers worthy of a look or do they just appear to shine against that caliber of competition.

[elemento]

Most of them can't do shit in the NBA

Terrence Williams avg triple double in the D-League and can't even crack the rotation in Houston

[therealtruth]

I wish Pop would forget about small ball. It's never really worked. Last time they won in '07 Oberto was part of the rotation. In fact if he had not been on the floor at the end of game 4 in '07 they might not have beaten the Cavs that game.

[timtonymanu]

There's alot of things Pop needs to forget about, tbh.

[ace3g]

sam_amick Sam Amick
Source tells SI.com that big man Kyrylo Fesenko has agreed to a one-year deal with Golden State.

[underdawg]

Joel Pryzbilla Update:
Chris Mannix: Clips, Heat, Mavs have expressed interest in Joel Pryzbilla, sources confirm. However Pryzbilla has given no indication he wants to play yet Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

[underdawg]

sam_amick Sam Amick
Source tells SI.com that big man Kyrylo Fesenko has agreed to a one-year deal with Golden State.

Fifth-year center Kyrylo Fesenko has agreed to a one-year, $1.07 million deal with Golden State, league sources told SI.com. SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/27/fesenko.warriors/index.html?sct=nba_t2_a3)

[underdawg]

Most of them can't do shit in the NBA

Terrence Williams avg triple double in the D-League and can't even crack the rotation in Houston

By the way, Terrence had 13 pts and 6 rebounds in 27 minutes against Orlando the other night.

[objective]

I haven't found exact data for Ayon's deal, but according to hornets boards a couple of days ago it was 3/5. Solid gamble for a player DX compares favorably to prime Jeff Foster.

[underdawg]

I haven't found exact data for Ayon's deal, but according to hornets boards a couple of days ago it was 3/5. Solid gamble for a player DX compares favorably to prime Jeff Foster.

Dubi Pick: Source: Mexican big Gustavo Ayon's currently going over his 3-year contract terms w/NOH worth an estimated $1.9M.. Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

Sources indicated that the Hornets’ half of Ayon’s buyout that facilitated his exit from Madrid — about $525,000 — didn’t come from money the team received from the draft-night transaction with New York that sent second-round draft choice Josh Harrellson to the Knicks. That brought the Hornets about $750,000 in cash. Nicknamed “The Titan,” Ayon also was coveted by the Indiana Pacers and Denver Nuggets this season, and in the past he was sought by the San Antonio Spurs and Phoenix Suns. New Orleans Times-Picayune (http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2011/12/new_orleans_hornets_are_able_t.html)

[ace3g]

Redd worked out with the Suns on Tuesday and they thinking of signing him: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2011/12/29/20111229phoenix-suns-michael-redd-works-out.html

[BackHome]

Get rid of Bonner and get a real big............

[thOOdee]

Get rid of Bonner and get a real big............

i second the notion

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol ostertag is in the dleague if ur interested....

[SenorSpur]

Get rid of Bonner and get a real big............

I third that notion.

[underdawg]

OFFICIAL: SIG Strasbourg signs big man Alexis Ajinca http://www.sportando.net/eng/europe/france/33828/sig_strasbourg_signs_big_man_alexis_ajinca.html

[biziofromdowntown]

Kirilenko?

[underdawg]

A. Sherrod Blakely: #Suns announce signing of Michael Redd. Good shooter, defense always an issue even before the injuries. He'll fit in well. Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

[Obstructed_View]

And a collective groan comes from the Arizona fanbase...

[jjktkk]

And a collective groan comes from the Arizona fanbase...

Phx. is desperate for a 2 guard. Alot of ifs, but Redd, if healthy, can absolutely stroke it.

[Fireball]

we should have given them Neal for Gortat ... don't care if it doesn't work

[VI_Massive]

It's one of those "First World Problems", but I worry that if the Spurs have a lot of success before the trading deadline, they'll believe they don't need another big and will stand pat with what they have.

[Obstructed_View]

Phx. is desperate for a 2 guard. Alot of ifs, but Redd, if healthy, can absolutely stroke it.

Oh, I'm not sure why I thought they had a lot of depth at that position. Yeah, Redd can fill it up if he comes back healthy.

[ChumpDumper]

Leonard's college teammate Malcom Thomas also got waived by the Lakers.Joined their D-League team. Only played two games so far but got four blocks in each.

Frank Hassel is playing for the Cavs' D-League team.

[ace3g]

sam_amick Sam Amick
Deal was agreed on in principle and pending physical. Unclear why it went south here.
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Sam Amick
sam_amick Sam Amick
Warriors GM Larry Riley tells local media that GS decided to go in a different direction in relation to free agent C Kryrlo Fesenko

[benefactor]

If he was willing to take 1yr/1 million from GS I don't see why the Spurs couldn't pick him up. That's a pretty low risk investment.

[timvp]

As much as Fesenko's length would hypothetically help, he's not only injured but he has character red flags. No way he'd get up to speed fast enough to help this season.

I'd rather the Spurs get a plug and play option like Przybilla.

[ChumpDumper]

Right, Bonner's retirement probably necessitates the signing of a real vet at this point.

Still want to audition some athletes, though.

[objective]

Skinner was waived by Memphis today.

[underdawg]

Ronald Tillery: Griz just announced they've signed center Hamed Haddadi Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)



The New Orleans Hornets waived free-agent forward Lance Thomas on Saturday, trimming their roster to 14 and at the same time shrinking a crowded reserve front court that will fight for minutes this season. New Orleans Times-Picayune (http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2011/12/new_orleans_hornets_waive_f_la.html)

Back to the Toros?

[Bruno]

A nice little gift to Spurs fans for the new year:
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2011/12/31/finley-not-done/

[Spurs Brazil]

A nice little gift to Spurs fans for the new year:
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2011/12/31/finley-not-done/

Maybe that's Pop plan for the 5th big...:depressed

[Obstructed_View]

Michael Finley: “U left me off the free agency list #notdoneyet”

Hoopshype: "BEST free agents available"

[Spurs Brazil]

Michael Finley: “U left me off the free agency list #notdoneyet”

Hoopshype: "BEST free agents available"

:lmao

[TD 21]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7409294/dallas-mavericks-yi-jianlian-agree-one-year-deal-sources-say

Supposedly, the Spurs were interested. Given that they could have offered more money and a bigger role, I'm not sure how they managed to lose out. Yi becomes the latest dwindling prospect to be lured to the Mavs, even though there's no minutes available. Unlike Brewer, this wasn't because of the money, either.

Anyway, the Mavs are still interested in Fesenko, too. Hopefully they sign him, because it'll mean they'll have to release a player. Based on value, that would be Cardinal. But they seem to like to have him around, probably because he's a good chemistry guy and on a team where the vast majority of players are either use to a bigger role or probably expecting one, he's one guy who will accept his role without complaint. So if it's not him, that leaves Williams or Wright. Given that they immediately played Williams ahead of Wright upon signing him and have deactivated Wright in recent games, it'll probably be Wright. He's injury prone, rail thin, can't shoot and doesn't appear to care much about the game. But he's also 6-10, athletic, a former 8th pick and still only 24. In other words, if he's waived, he'll instantly become the most intriguing option available and if the Spurs front office has an ounce of common sense left, they'll sign him.

[therealtruth]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7409294/dallas-mavericks-yi-jianlian-agree-one-year-deal-sources-say

Supposedly, the Spurs were interested. Given that they could have offered more money and a bigger role, I'm not sure how they managed to lose out. Yi becomes the latest dwindling prospect to be lured to the Mavs, even though there's no minutes available. Unlike Brewer, this wasn't because of the money, either.

Anyway, the Mavs are still interested in Fesenko, too. Hopefully they sign him, because it'll mean they'll have to release a player. Based on value, that would be Cardinal. But they seem to like to have him around, probably because he's a good chemistry guy and on a team where the vast majority of players are either use to a bigger role or probably expecting one, he's one guy who will accept his role without complaint. So if it's not him, that leaves Williams or Wright. Given that they immediately played Williams ahead of Wright upon signing him and have deactivated Wright in recent games, it'll probably be Wright. He's injury prone, rail thin, can't shoot and doesn't appear to care much about the game. But he's also 6-10, athletic, a former 8th pick and still only 24. In other words, if he's waived, he'll instantly become the most intriguing option available and if the Spurs front office has an ounce of common sense left, they'll sign him.

The Mavs are stocking up on big men who probably won't be able to get minutes and the Spurs can't even get one. Pop is so in love with his system and corporate knowledge that he doesn't work a new player in.

[timvp]

Not sure if the dollar figures were ever mentioned anywhere but Josh Howard got a one-year, $3 million deal with the Jazz.

[Obstructed_View]

Not sure if the dollar figures were ever mentioned anywhere but Josh Howard got a one-year, $3 million deal with the Jazz.

He had to leave salary room for Nene.

[DPG21920]

Well that confirms the Spurs wanted nothing to do with Howard.

[Cane]

The Mavs are stocking up on big men who probably won't be able to get minutes and the Spurs can't even get one. Pop is so in love with his system and corporate knowledge that he doesn't work a new player in.

When it comes to players like Yi Jianlian, then it makes sense. These guys suck and will be spending a good part of the season in the d-league. Spurs really could use another big or two, but I think they'll wait until the trade deadline for a real opportunity rather than signing an injured Yi. Just not much out there thats worth a damn.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Mavs can easily waive Yi at the trade deadline and do exactly the same though can't they?

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs might be waiting for the D-League showcase to choose whom to audition. Jan 9-12.

[Bruno]

Even if they didn't get him, Spurs having tried to get Yi Jianlian is a good news. Spurs are trying to add a bigman.

[Libri]

Even if they didn't get him, Spurs having tried to get Yi Jianlian is a good news. Spurs are trying to add a bigman.

:tu

[DPG21920]

Except Yi isn't a big man anymore than Bonner is and we don't actually know if the Spurs tried to get him. Spurs names are in a lot of reports and we don't know what the word "interested" actually means.

[SenorSpur]

This assessment of Yi, according to ESPN's John Hollinger:

A look at Yi's skills:

"Yi's mobility makes him a useful defensive player; while his rates of blocks, steals and rebounds are nothing to write home about, he's very good in pick-and-roll defense because he moves well laterally and has the length to challenge shots. Yi is also a good pick-and-pop player who can hit midrange jump shots; he made a very solid 40.7 percent of his long 2s. One wishes he'd extend that range to the 3-point line, where he could be much more of a weapon. And there ends the good news. Although he's the tallest player on his team at 7-0, Yi plays like he's completely unaware that this might be an advantage. He drew two and-1s the entire season. Two. The only player in the league with a lower rate of field goal attempts that became and-1s was Brian Cardinal. Less than a quarter of Yi's shot attempts were at the rim, which also caused him to struggle at getting to the line. This is why his TS% is so poor every season. Well, that and his generally brutal offensive instincts. Yi's in-between game is in between bad and awful -- he shot 8-for-42 between 3 and 9 feet (lest you accuse me of cherry-picking off a small sample, he's at 29.9 percent for his career). He also averaged less than one assist per 40 minutes; only four power forwards were worse. His skill set tantalizes, but until he stops with the 'Yi, Robot' routine and finds ways to contribute offensively beyond taking 17-foot jumpers, he's destined to remain a back-of-rotation big man."

[ChumpDumper]

Yi would have been ok, though he doesn't do much. Given the choice, I'd get someone with his mobility or more.

[DPG21920]

FA isn't the way to go. Spurs need to trade. Now, if that is to happen, they will likely have to give up Blair/Anderson/Leonard and do people think that is worth it?

[ChumpDumper]

FA isn't the way to go. Spurs need to trade. Now, if that is to happen, they will likely have to give up Blair/Anderson/Leonard and do people think that is worth it?For whom?

[silverblk mystix]

:pop: "Bonner is the LAST big that we'll ever need...he spreads the floor!"

[mountainballer]

if Spurs were interested in Yi, they are interested in any big man.
if they wanted Yi, they are satisfied with a #5 in the big rotation. best case this player can compete for the #4 spot. (the bar isn't that high considering the competition is this years version of Bonner)
that said, they must be as well interested in Fesenko. doesn't make sense if they were not. Mavs still want him. he might think about it, considering the number of bigs on the Mavs roster. and Spurs could outbid the Mavs.

[DPG21920]

For whom?

They will have to look at a few teams that have a few of these qualities:

1) Maybe are in a bad situation with being a bad team
2) Might be interested in some young talent
3) Maybe willing to swap bad contract for bad contract a la Arenas for Rashard Lewis trade
4) A team that has plenty of bigs that might be willing to let one go

Some teams/trades that come to mind:

Cleveland: Anderson Varejao or Antawn Jamison. Their team will be bad again. Both of those guys don't fit long-term and it could open up more time for Tristan Thompson. They might be interested in adding a young piece in Blair/Anderson/Kawhi to help with building for the future. Varejao makes more money than RJ with an additional year as well (even though it's only partially guaranteed).

Warriors: Andris Beidrins. Similar contract to RJ. They have been trying to ship him out. Another team where RJ might be a better fit in the system and they could be enticed with a young asset or draft pick perhaps?

Minny: Anthony Randolph. They are very crowded up front, could use some veteran presence and a guy like Bonner might appeal to them. A guy who can give them another dimension with regards to spreading the floor and would they be willing to sign Randolph next year? Could be sweetened with one of our young guys or a draft pick since they lost theirs to the Clippers which now NO owns.

There are several options that while they may not be easy, seem to be somewhat realistic and would likely serve the Spurs much better than going to FA. This is just linear thinking as well (meaning just a 2 team trade. if you open that up to multiple teams, other opps present themselves).

Spurs won't be able to land a superstar with their assets (assuming they won't trade the big 3), but if you look at my criteria, they should be able to find some trade partners.

[ChumpDumper]

Why would Varejao not fit the Cavs long term? That doesn't make any sense.

[DPG21920]

So out of all of that, that is what you cling too? :lol

They are a bad team that is rebuilding through the draft. They won't be a playoff team likely for a while. He is pushing 30, just had surgery and is their highest paid player. For being such a limited guy, it's not good for a rebuilding team to have their highest paid player be someone like that. It definitely makes sense IMO.

[DPG21920]

You asked a question (in your typical fashion), I gave you an answer, sorry if you don't like it.

[Bruno]

that said, they must be as well interested in Fesenko. doesn't make sense if they were not.

After what happens a couple of years ago with Finley and Mason bitching about not getting enough playing time, Spurs are likely now careful with how to fill the end of their roster. I can see them not going after Fesenko because they think he won't handle well getting little to no minutes.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not clinging to anything. I was asking who you had in mind since it would be worth trading the young players for the right player in return.

Don't be such a little bitch about having your logic questioned.

You act like 10 and 10 centers fall out of trees.

lol pushing 30

[DPG21920]

:lol u mad?

I'm not acting like anything. I answered your question(s) and you cherry pick one thing and said "it doesn't make sense". I explained my logic and why it made sense. You can "lol" it all you want, but I answered your questions. Again, sorry if you don't like it.

lol acting like I went GNSF and said "Spurs just need to pull of an easy trade for a 10 & 10 center!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". I explained my rational and if you disagree instead of being a tool, explain why what I mentioned "doesn't make any sense" especially when I do your dumb as a courtesy of answering your questions.

[DPG21920]

Bitch.

[DPG21920]

I also didn't say it would be worth trading the young guys. You are now lying or just can't read. Either way you look toolish IMVHO.

[timvp]

After what happens a couple of years ago with Finley and Mason bitching about not getting enough playing time, Spurs are likely now careful with how to fill the end of their roster. I can see them not going after Fesenko because they think he won't handle well getting little to no minutes.

Good point. The Spurs basically need to find a PJ Brown in '08 type player. Przybilla sounds like a good candidate to me. DJ Mbenga or Etan Thomas could work.

I'd wait until the trade deadline to see if the Spurs need more than a filler. Right now, it's possible the Spurs could roll with Duncan, Blair and Splitter as the bigman rotation in the playoffs.

[DPG21920]

Good point. The Spurs basically need to find a PJ Brown in '08 type player. Przybilla sounds like a good candidate to me. DJ Mbenga or Etan Thomas could work.

I'd wait until the trade deadline to see if the Spurs need more than a filler. Right now, it's possible the Spurs could roll with Duncan, Blair and Splitter as the bigman rotation in the playoffs.

In your opinion (hypothetically) is it worth it to you for the Spurs to give up Blair or Anderson as part of a trade to bring in a guy like Varejao so the rotation going into the playoffs is Duncan, Varejao & Splitter?

[timvp]

In your opinion (hypothetically) is it worth it to you for the Spurs to give up Blair or Anderson as part of a trade to bring in a guy like Varejao so the rotation going into the playoffs is Duncan, Varejao & Splitter?

Eh, not right now. I'd rather wait to see how the next month or two goes. Varejao is good but he costs like 30 times more than Blair. Blair and Splitter are two unknown at this point to say whether the Spurs have to blow up the bigman rotation. (Trading for Varejao would basically be blowing it up since he'd immediately start next to Duncan and average ~30 MPG.)

That said, if the Cavs wanted to do RJ + JA for Varejao now I'd do that in a second.

[DPG21920]

I agree with that. I mean, I still think the third big in this scenario (Tiago) would get more minutes than normal due to the scheduling, but at this point I would definitely rather include JA than Blair in a deal even though I like JA as a prospect better long-term.

[ace3g]

sam_amick Sam Amick
Shocking Kings statement released regarding DeMarcus Cousins, who was sent home from the team's home game against New Orleans tonight.

sam_amick Sam Amick
Kings coach Paul Westphal says Cousins demanded to be traded: "When a player continually, aggressively, lets it be known that he is...

sam_amick Sam Amick
Westphal: "...unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team, it cannot be ignored indefinitely."

sam_amick Sam Amick
Cousins' agent, John Greig, tells SI.com: "DeMarcus never demanded a trade. I'm surprised the Kings, if they believe the player wanted..."

sam_amick Sam Amick
Greig: "...a trade, wouldn't have made a phone call to his representative. Maybe Westphal is just feeling the heat early this season."

[DPG21920]

Wow. What is wrong with that dude. Decently talented but seemingly much maligned.

[TD 21]

Spurs might be waiting for the D-League showcase to choose whom to audition. Jan 9-12.

I could see them doing that. But if Wright springs free, they'd be foolish to not sign him. I realize he's 24, but given his injuries, he'd still be almost the equivalent of getting a free 1st round pick/prospect. I have no illusions about him reaching the level many thought he once could, but there's no reason he can't be, at minimum, a good fifth big. Despite his limitations, he's got a career PER of 17.5, which is impressive.

The other positive to signing him is, he'd add more salary for a possible trade down the line and he'd be a solid secondary asset to throw into a trade. Say they sign him and don't waive Green. They could package the two of them, with their 1st and make a competitive offer for a guy like Thompson.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

sooooo who goes after DeMarcus then?

[stephen jackson]

rj, tiago james anderson for cousins :)

[Brazil]

rj, tiago james anderson for cousins :)

Cousins is a cancer and he has the BB IQ of a hot oyster. He would drive pop nuts with his TOs and 0.400 FG%

[stephen jackson]

Cousins is a cancer and he has the BB IQ of a hot oyster. He would drive pop nuts with his TOs and 0.400 FG%
timmy would groom him to a superstar:hat

[ChuckD]

timmy would groom him to a superstar:hat

A dog turd with frosting on it isn't a piece of wedding cake, it's a frosted dog turd.

Cousins had character red flags coming out of KY. I would say at this point, his BEST scenario is to turn into a non-trouble causing, non-winning, non-give-a-shit stat sheet filler like Derrick Coleman. I can't ever see him being mature enough to build a franchise around.

These fucking kids are lionized from the time they are 8-10 years old if they show any glint of talent. Everyone tells them how great they are, and no one tells them their shot selection is crap, and they need a drop step move and a jump hook.

[baseline bum]

Good point. The Spurs basically need to find a PJ Brown in '08 type player. Przybilla sounds like a good candidate to me. DJ Mbenga or Etan Thomas could work.

I'd wait until the trade deadline to see if the Spurs need more than a filler. Right now, it's possible the Spurs could roll with Duncan, Blair and Splitter as the bigman rotation in the playoffs.

I think they need to find a PJ Brown in '98 type player tbh.

[JP le Requin]

demarcus cousins ask a trade..and he has a rookie contrat again...so what can we do to have a (i know not very smart) but real good potential center/PF??? he can be the next barkley or derrick coleman lol

[ace3g]

I wouldn't want Cousins but if it turned into a 3 team trade, maybe the Spurs could get a PF/C that way.

[Robz4000]

DeMarcus Cousins is one of the last players I'd want to see in a Spurs uniform. If they were to trade for him he'd destroy the locker room and make everything about himself.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol u mad?lol triple post response

[ChumpDumper]

I could see them doing that. But if Wright springs free, they'd be foolish to not sign him. I realize he's 24, but given his injuries, he'd still be almost the equivalent of getting a free 1st round pick/prospect. I have no illusions about him reaching the level many thought he once could, but there's no reason he can't be, at minimum, a good fifth big. Despite his limitations, he's got a career PER of 17.5, which is impressive.

The other positive to signing him is, he'd add more salary for a possible trade down the line and he'd be a solid secondary asset to throw into a trade. Say they sign him and don't waive Green. They could package the two of them, with their 1st and make a competitive offer for a guy like Thompson.I doubt he'd be worth more than the minimum. He's certainly the type of player needed, but he's also a spectacular bust.

[ChuckD]

Cousins' own teammates hate him. He and Jason Thompson had to be separated after JT called him fat and yelled at him for not running back on D.

[JP le Requin]

cousin with spurs org can be mouthed

[DPG21920]

lol triple post response

Lol lying and looking like an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol lying and looking like an idiot.Lying about what? I never said you believed it was worth trading any of the young players. Your meltdown over a perceived slight completely warped your thinking.

Don't worry, sport. It happens.

I said I believe it would be worth trading the young guys for the right player.

Need a link?

[ChuckD]

cousin with spurs org can be mouthed

Mouthed?

[DPG21920]

Lying about what? I never said you believed it was worth trading any of the young players. Your meltdown over a perceived slight completely warped your thinking.

Don't worry, sport. It happens.

I said I believe it would be worth trading the young guys for the right player.

Need a link?

And I answered your questions and explained myself. You just cherry-picked and offered no insight.

[ChumpDumper]

And I answered your questions and explained myself. You just cherry-picked and offered no insight.I accept your apology.

[angelbelow]

A dog turd with frosting on it isn't a piece of wedding cake, it's a frosted dog turd.

Cousins had character red flags coming out of KY. I would say at this point, his BEST scenario is to turn into a non-trouble causing, non-winning, non-give-a-shit stat sheet filler like Derrick Coleman. I can't ever see him being mature enough to build a franchise around.

These fucking kids are lionized from the time they are 8-10 years old if they show any glint of talent. Everyone tells them how great they are, and no one tells them their shot selection is crap, and they need a drop step move and a jump hook.

ChuckD made a good points in the general nba forum as well, I would pass on this guy.

-It would cost too much to get him, likely Splitter or Blair.
-Major character issues
-Doesn't play hard
-Will go from a situation where he gets all the minutes he wants to a 4/5th big situation. No way that sits well with someone as immature as him.

[DPG21920]

I accept your apology.

You're welcome for discussing basketball with you.

[Obstructed_View]

Ian Mahinmi shut down Cousins in summer league and almost made him cry. Cousins has a million dollars worth of talent and a nickel worth of everything else.

[DPG21920]

Ian Mahinmi shut down Cousins in summer league and almost made him cry. Cousins has a million dollars worth of talent and a nickel worth of everything else.

Agreed, but he's got enough talent where you have to look.

[TD 21]

I doubt he'd be worth more than the minimum. He's certainly the type of player needed, but he's also a spectacular bust.

The Mavs are paying him the minimum, with a team option for a second. That would be perfect for the Spurs. If they like what they see, then they've got a young, long, athletic big, who can score inside and block shots, for cheap for the next year and a half. If they don't, he can easily be cut loose at any time.

He's clearly not what he was projected by many to be, but I don't know that he is a "spectacular bust". His career PER suggests that injuries and lack of opportunity have been his primary downfall.

[Ice009]

Good point. The Spurs basically need to find a PJ Brown in '08 type player. Przybilla sounds like a good candidate to me. DJ Mbenga or Etan Thomas could work.

I'd wait until the trade deadline to see if the Spurs need more than a filler. Right now, it's possible the Spurs could roll with Duncan, Blair and Splitter as the bigman rotation in the playoffs.

I thought PJ Brown was the last/missing piece to the Championship puzzle in '08. I wanted the Spurs to sign him during the off season, too bad he was the missing piece to Boston's puzzle.

I agree about waiting a bit more too. I'd like to see how Blair and Splitter do with extended time to see what we really need, but if something good comes up before then you gotta take it.

[Obstructed_View]

Agreed, but he's got enough talent where you have to look.

Meh, if he was a free agent perhaps, but otherwise I really don't think so. The Spurs are looking for a 4th big. I think I'd rather have someone else's training camp scraps. There's really no need to swing for the fences, especially if you have to give someone up.

[SenorSpur]

DeMarcus Cousins is one of the last players I'd want to see in a Spurs uniform. If they were to trade for him he'd destroy the locker room and make everything about himself.

Boy this kid is really immature. Loafing down court, not running back on D, causing issues in the lockerroom. I don't see this guy lasting 5 mins with Pop.

[BillMc]

Boy this kid is really immature. Loafing down court, not running back on D, causing issues in the lockerroom. I don't see this guy lasting 5 mins with Pop.

+ 1 trillion

[underdawg]

Paul Coro: The #Suns waived Garret Siler after the game. The roster is back to the 13-man minimum. Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

[timvp]

Siler wouldn't be a bad fit. He's huge and has a pretty good basketball IQ. He needs to drop another 30-40 pounds but his size alone could help in certain matchups.

[ChumpDumper]

Siler wouldn't be a bad fit. He's huge and has a pretty good basketball IQ. He needs to drop another 30-40 pounds but his size alone could help in certain matchups.I'd still want to sign a real vet but Siler could be a project.

[DPG21920]

I'd still want to sign a real vet but Siler could be a project.

Like whom?

[ChumpDumper]

Like whom?I should have said sign or trade for to be accurate, but since the Spurs have a couple of spots open I have no problem picking up a vet to see if he has anything left and a project to see if he has anything to begin with.

None of the available free agents is going to make the Spurs real contenders and I'm not completely sold on any single one of them, but having only four bigs on the team is problematic.

Again, no one is going to set the world on fire, but seeing if Leon Powe or Etan Thomas can still play basketball or at least push Bonner out of retirement

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

still hope Pryzbilla will sign but Etan Thomas would be a nice pickup as well. what about Dan Gadzuric?

[TD 21]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7421206/nate-robinson-close-signing-golden-state-warriors-according-report

Smith will probably be waived in short order.

[analyzed]

So the Spurs FA story line : added TJ and Ike, Lose : Dice

[ace3g]

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Trade, on course to be completed Wednesday, would send Speights to Grizz, Xavier Henry to Hornets and furnish Philly with two future picks

Damn I wanted Speights !!!

[mountainballer]

wait. what?
Hornets get a lottery pick from last year, who is still only 20, for just two 2nd rounders? someone should veto this trade.
it's not that Henry could be called a bust b/c of his injury plagued rookie season. he will need some more time, but common. 2 2nd rounders?

[DPG21920]

RC doing work! Stern > RC

[ace3g]

looks like Speights was brought in more than just to replace what Arthur brings to the table:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jan/04/grizzlies-zach-randolph-miss-8-weeks-knee-ligament/

[jjktkk]

RC doing work! Stern > RC

Stern made it mandatory. :hat

[underdawg]

Former face of the franchise Michael Finley sparked a bit of a stir himself sitting in a baseline seat next to longtime Mavs courtside fixture Neil Hawks for Dallas’ 98-89 victory over Steve Nash’s Phoenix Suns. Catching a Dirk vs. Nash duel, though, is not the only reason Finley’s in town this week. The 38-year-old has worked out for the past two days with newly signed Mavs forward Yi Jianlian under the watchful eye of Texas Legends coach Del Harris, as Finley continues his comeback after a year away from the game. ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4683090/sources-d-leagues-legends-lobbying-finley)

Ime Udoka will sign with Spanish club UCAM Murcia. TuBasket.com (http://www.tubasket.com/noticia/ucam-murcia/te-lo-adelanta-tubasket-ucam-murcia-ficha-al-alero-nba-ime-udoka-tiene-pasaporte-cotonou/886761/6298)

Former first round pick Luther Head signed a D-League contract on Wednesday, according to a league source, enabling him to clear waivers on Friday and join his new team ahead of next week's Showcase. Head appeared in 36 games for the Sacramento Kings last season after previously spending time with the Houston Rockets, Miami Heat and Indiana Pacers. Ridiculous Upside (http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2012/1/5/2684294/luther-head-nba-development-league)

[ace3g]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Nets announce signing of guard Keith Bogans.

[TimmehC]

LOL Nets

[Mel_13]

http://twitter.com/EyeOnBasketball
Report: Rockets pursuing trade of Chris Kaman while the Sixers are out.

http://twitter.com/SeanDeveney
Agent Bill Duffy also said that Joel Przybilla will choose between the #Heat and #Bulls by week's end.

[Robz4000]

http://twitter.com/eyeonbasketball
report: Rockets pursuing trade of chris kaman while the sixers are out.

http://twitter.com/seandeveney
agent bill duffy also said that joel przybilla will choose between the #heat and #bulls by week's end.
in the meantime, at the spurs' front office...

[xmas1997]

I admit, it gets very frustrating after a while to watch all the other teams make the necessary changes they need to make with trades and free agents while nothing ever seems to happen with the Spurs making the changes they need to make.
The main question I have is: WHY????????????

[ChumpDumper]

Trades are more difficult that most think.

[EricD]

Trades are more difficult that most think.

No really?

Let me break it down for y'all..


1) Spurs have to find a team willing to part with a specific player for salary or skill-set purposes.

2) Spurs have to have a player(s) that is/are attractive to the potential trading partner, which Spurs don't really have outside of the Big 3, Tiago, Green and Leonard.

3) Salaries have to match.

It's a lot tougher than most think.

[ace3g]

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
The Orlando Magic have waived Larry Hughes and called up Ish Smith from the NBA D-League.

[underdawg]

Hornets sign F Lance Thomas
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7543664/with-carl-landry-injured-new-orleans-hornets-sign-lance-thomas

[Mel_13]

Earl Barron is back on the market:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-tsn-acn-barron-gsw-20120206,0,4196626.story

[GSH]

Earl Barron is back on the market:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-tsn-acn-barron-gsw-20120206,0,4196626.story


Barron showed a couple of flashes, but I guess nothing came of it. As desperate as GS is for a big man, it's tough to believe that they overlooked a gem - even a gem in the rough. It seems like he's another player whose talent doesn't translate from D-League to the big show.

Still, watching Blair at times it would really be nice to have a 7-foot body on the roster.

[Mel_13]

The bottom of the barrel:

http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

[Mel_13]

The bottom of the barrel:

http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

[Mel_13]

In addition to Malcolm Thomas and Earl Barron, these players were waived over the last few days:

Mychel Thompson-CLE
DeMarre Carrol-DEN
Derrick Caracter-Lakers
Josh Davis-MEM
Mickell Gladness-MIA
Solomon Jones-Clippers
Hamady Ndiaye-Wizards

There are also reports that Houston will sign Greg Smith from the D-League. If true, Jeff Adrien is the likely roster cut as he is the only player on the Rockets without a guaranteed deal. Adrien had a real nice game last night in Denver.

[outmap]

Keith Benson is available.

[Sense]

Spurs should go after Fesenko and Przybilla..

[DesignatedT]

I read somewhere that Pryzbilla is choosing between the Bulls and the Heat. I'm not sure if this is because those are the only two destinations he's interested in or if we never even picked up the phone. Guy could have definitely helped though.

[DesignatedT]

I'm thinkin JR Smith to LAC now after the Billups injury.

[E-RockWill]

Earl Barron is back on the market:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-tsn-acn-barron-gsw-20120206,0,4196626.story


Barron showed a couple of flashes, but I guess nothing came of it. As desperate as GS is for a big man, it's tough to believe that they overlooked a gem - even a gem in the rough. It seems like he's another player whose talent doesn't translate from D-League to the big show.

Still, watching Blair at times it would really be nice to have a 7-foot body on the roster.

What could it hurt?!

[timtonymanu]

Joel Przybilla has chosen to resign with the Blazers:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-spears_joel_przybilla_blazers_022212

[Duncan2177]

What a lameass

[jermaine]

Don't the Blazers already have like 5 bigs?

[crc21209]

:lol Good luck getting a ring and good playing time there Przybilla....

[TD 21]

Chris Johnson will probably be cut to make room for Pryzbilla. Long, athletic, slender shot blocker. Could be a potential 10 day candidate. Then again, he's 6-11, so I'm sure they'd view him as more of a center than a power forward and bypass him for some 6-9 or under big, with sub par physical tools.

[EricD]

Chris Johnson will probably be cut to make room for Pryzbilla. Long, athletic, slender shot blocker. Could be a potential 10 day candidate. Then again, he's 6-11, so I'm sure they'd view him as more of a center than a power forward and bypass him for some 6-9 or under big, with sub par physical tools.

Another irrelevant potential signing..

:jack...tbh..

The only relevant potential signing will happen post trade- deadline, when a few NBA caliber rotation players get bought out.

Til then, chill out bro!

[GSH]

Josh Powell is sort of big. And cheap. And supposedly available, now that he's back from China. It feels sort of silly even mentioning it. But nearly everyone else already has a prom date.

[timvp]

Josh Powell is sort of big. And cheap. And supposedly available, now that he's back from China. It feels sort of silly even mentioning it. But nearly everyone else already has a prom date.

A poor man's McDyess. The fact that he has a jumper makes him a decent fit. Too bad he's pretty damn bad at everything else.

But as a fifth big who wouldn't kill the team, the Spurs could do worse. He'd be a safe yet underwhelming selection.

[mountainballer]

Josh Powell is sort of big. And cheap. And supposedly available, now that he's back from China. It feels sort of silly even mentioning it. But nearly everyone else already has a prom date.

not a bad idea. for sure better than all the d-league options. in case of more injuries I'd rather play him than one of those guys with less than 3 half NBA games under their belt. he is an end of the bench optiopn, but for whatever it is worth, he was on some good teams. hey, the guy has 2 rings. could be 3 if Dirk didn't choke.

[mountainballer]

btw. isn't Powell married to the daughter of a Spurs coach or staff member?

[DPG21920]

I'd rather have Blair than Powell. Let's hope someone better than Blair shakes loose; like Turiaf.

[timvp]

Turiaf is better than Blair at blocking shots and that's about it. Turiaf on the Spurs would play the Kevin Willis role unless Blair doubled his Whataburger per day consumption.

[TD 21]

Turiaf is better than Blair at blocking shots and that's about it. Turiaf on the Spurs would play the Kevin Willis role unless Blair doubled his Whataburger per day consumption.

Wrong. Turiaf can actually shoot from mid range and he's better defensively. But he is a terrible rebounder and he can't finish inside or pass like Blair. Blair is more talented, but this isn't about talent; it's about fit.

That said, I agree that Blair would most likely retain his spot even if they signed Turiaf. The difference is, with him, they'd have an option if they want to start Splitter (unlikely, I know), drop Blair from the rotation or in case of injury to one of the four bigs.

[elemento]

I know a lot of people hate Blair in ST, but Blair is much better than Powell. It's not even close.

As a 5th big, fine. Replacing Blair in the starting lineup. Hell no

I hope the Bobcats just buys out Diaw. I am pretty sure Parker can change his lazy mind.

[eric365]

Wrong. Turiaf can actually shoot from mid range and he's better defensively. But he is a terrible rebounder and he can't finish inside or pass like Blair. Blair is more talented, but this isn't about talent; it's about fit.


Turiaf is not a good mid range shooter at all.

[timvp]

Wrong. Turiaf can actually shoot from mid range

:lol If you are going to pull the "Wrong" card, at least know what you're talking about. In the last three seasons, Turiaf is 13-for-60 on shots from outside of ten feet.

Turiaf would begin as the fifth big. He could enter the mix if Blair continued to regress or Pop shuffled the starting lineup ... but it wouldn't be overly likely. Turiaf blocks shots and that makes him a better defender but Blair can pretty much match him in anything else.

[MaNu4Tres]

:lol If you are going to pull the "Wrong" card, at least know what you're talking about. In the last three seasons, Turiaf is 13-for-60 on shots from outside of ten feet.

Turiaf would begin as the fifth big. He could enter the mix if Blair continued to regress or Pop shuffled the starting lineup ... but it wouldn't be overly likely. Turiaf blocks shots and that makes him a better defender but Blair can pretty much match him in anything else.

There's one important thing that Blair does not match Turiaf in...

The mental aspect of the game; which is very crucial in the playoffs (more so than regular season)-- due to each possession in the post-season being significant and magnified. It seems to me Blair has his "big games" or "shining moments" whenever the game is out of hand or if the competition is anything but competitive.

It seems to me Blair is aggressive in the wrong aspects for this team(hurried shots off O boards, going for steals on post entry passes, dribbling too much and being a ball-stopper, wasting possessions by throwing up bad shots against much taller defenders) and passive in the important aspects (although he's been doing a great job in his def. rotations as of late by drawing frequent charges).

In the post-season, where possessions aren't wasted, Spurs need Blair to be aggressive in the small, yet important aspects/intangibles (screens, boxing out, not being a ball stopper on offense, defensive boards and offensive rebounds followed by resetting the offense by throwing the ball back out to Tony/Manu instead of trying to throw up a fade-away teardrop over 7 footers--which he does way too often). Yes Blair can put up great stats, but when it comes down to it, he's too dumb to be given a significant role in the post-season (if Spurs plan to compete for a title). Give me 07' Oberto any day of the week over Blair in the playoffs. I hate to hate on Blair, he's young and still learning and I hope he can prove me wrong--but he can drive me nuts sometimes with his decisions on both ends (although in recent weeks he's made some strides). But yeah his stats can be great.

[Bruno]

Getting a center (Turiaf or someone else) would only make sense if Pop was decided to start Splitter alongside Duncan. When you see how little they have been paired, it certainly sounds like Pop won't take that road.

[ChumpDumper]

Getting a center (Turiaf or someone else) would only make sense if Pop was decided to start Splitter alongside Duncan. When you see how little they have been paired, it certainly sounds like Pop won't take that road.Well, if Blair still doesn't play well, he could simply be replaced in the lineup.

[timvp]

There's one important thing that Blair does not match Turiaf in...

The mental aspect of the game; which is very crucial in the playoffs (more so than regular season)-- due to each possession in the post-season being significant and magnified. It seems to me Blair has his "big games" or "shining moments" whenever the game is out of hand or if the competition is anything but competitive.

It seems to me Blair is aggressive in the wrong aspects for this team(hurried shots off O boards, going for steals on post entry passes, dribbling too much and being a ball-stopper, wasting possessions by throwing up bad shots against much taller defenders) and passive in the important aspects (although he's been doing a great job in his def. rotations as of late by drawing frequent charges).

In the post-season, where possessions aren't wasted, Spurs need Blair to be aggressive in the small, yet important aspects/intangibles (screens, boxing out, not being a ball stopper on offense, defensive boards and offensive rebounds followed by resetting the offense by throwing the ball back out to Tony/Manu instead of trying to throw up a fade-away teardrop over 7 footers--which he does way too often). Yes Blair can put up great stats, but when it comes down to it, he's too dumb to be given a significant role in the post-season (if Spurs plan to compete for a title). Give me 07' Oberto any day of the week over Blair in the playoffs. I hate to hate on Blair, he's young and still learning and I hope he can prove me wrong--but he can drive me nuts sometimes with his decisions on both ends (although in recent weeks he's made some strides). But yeah his stats can be great.

Mostly agree with you but Turiaf isn't exactly Robert Horry either. He's an energy big who blocks shots -- but that's about the extent of his game these days. He doesn't play fundamental defense either, he's more about causing chaos.

I'd say Turiaf has the higher basketball IQ but it's basically a wash. Blair being the better scorer and rebounder while also having the higher potential in other areas outside of blocked shots gives him the edge over Turiaf overall.

I'd be all for replacing Blair with a better player or a player with a substantially higher basketball IQ but Turiaf doesn't quite qualify. But yeah, part of the reason I've wanted Blair used as a bench player is so that his shortcomings in the mental part of the game aren't so damaging.

[Bruno]

Well, if Blair still doesn't play well, he could simply be replaced in the lineup.

I don't get what you want to say.

[TD 21]

:lol If you are going to pull the "Wrong" card, at least know what you're talking about. In the last three seasons, Turiaf is 13-for-60 on shots from outside of ten feet.

Turiaf would begin as the fifth big. He could enter the mix if Blair continued to regress or Pop shuffled the starting lineup ... but it wouldn't be overly likely. Turiaf blocks shots and that makes him a better defender but Blair can pretty much match him in anything else.

I never said he was a knockdown mid range shooter, genius. The difference is, Blair's literally a non threat to even shoot from their. Obviously, it doesn't make sense to bomb away if he's not confident enough in it, but still. Turiaf is more of threat from their than Blair. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

That's basically exactly what I said.

I'm not suggesting Turiaf is some star or is better than Blair, he's just different and probably more of what this team needs. I'd start Splitter and play Blair or Turiaf as the fourth big depending on the match-up/how they are playing, but we all know that's not going to happen. So even though it's not ideal, I wouldn't be opposed to trying Turiaf as a starter and having him play the Anthony role. Haslem is really the Heat's second big, but for fit/balance purposes, he comes off the bench. If he's terrible, then they can always go back to Blair.

'Tres get's it. Blair can be more spectacular, no question, but that's not what this team needs out of that role. They need solid play and he's more sloppy than solid.

Bruno, Turiaf is really a power forward. I know almost every guy who's 6-9 and can protect the rim now plays at least some center, but it's not as if he can't defend power forwards.

[dirkdirkastan]

Well, if Blair still doesn't play well, he could simply be replaced in the lineup.

Lineup? So they can just pinch hit for him when he comes up in the batting order? :lol:lol

[ChumpDumper]

I don't get what you want to say.Blair is so marginal a player right now that he could conceivably be replaced by a slightly better marginal player.

[ChumpDumper]

Lineup? So they can just pinch hit for him when he comes up in the batting order? :lol:lolYou don't believe there are lineups in basketball?

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/732/732571/nba-2k7-20060913013215251-000.jpg

You're pretty stupid.

[dirkdirkastan]

You don't believe there are lineups in basketball?

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/732/732571/nba-2k7-20060913013215251-000.jpg

You're pretty stupid.

You don't know the difference between lineup and rotation? And i'm pretty stupid.... pot meet kettle.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't know the difference between lineup and rotation? And i'm pretty stupid.... pot meet kettle.Either one fits here.

You're pretty stupid.

[dirkdirkastan]

Either one fits here.

You're pretty stupid.

Sticks and stones Chumpy. And no it doesn't.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mostly agree with you but Turiaf isn't exactly Robert Horry either. He's an energy big who blocks shots -- but that's about the extent of his game these days. He doesn't play fundamental defense either, he's more about causing chaos.

I'd say Turiaf has the higher basketball IQ but it's basically a wash. Blair being the better scorer and rebounder while also having the higher potential in other areas outside of blocked shots gives him the edge over Turiaf overall.

I'd be all for replacing Blair with a better player or a player with a substantially higher basketball IQ but Turiaf doesn't quite qualify. But yeah, part of the reason I've wanted Blair used as a bench player is so that his shortcomings in the mental part of the game aren't so damaging.

It's not that crystal clear between Blair and Turiaf overall, it's all about personal preference and what you think this team needs. I personally think this team doesn't need Blair's empty stats and needs someone who can be aggressive in the small intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet.

If healthy, give me Turiaf over Blair.IMO

And no, I wasn't implying that Turiaf had a great IQ, but his IQ is better than Blair's. And he's solid in other areas as well as Hollinger points out here:

Per Hollinger FWIW: Positives bold; negatives red.


+ High-energy, injury-prone big man who blocks shots and hustles.

+ Decent midrange shooter and passer, but only shoots if left wide open.

+ Very poor rebounder. Undersized for a 5 and compensates with high foul rate.

Turiaf, despite his reputation as an energetic wildman, ranked 63rd out of 67 centers in rebound rate. While that was a new career low, it wasn't a fluke either, as his rate has languished in the 11s and 12s for four straight seasons. Moreover, Turiaf's lack of offensive aggression resulted in a second straight season averaging single-digit points per 40 minutes.

He compensates by converting a high percentage of his chances and distributing the ball well. Turiaf is comfortable in the high post area finding other players, ranking fourth among centers in pure point rating. That skill gives him an offensive role even if he isn't scoring. And while he rarely shoots, he made 40 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet last season, so defenses have to respect his jumper. Turiaf is unlikely to match last season's gaudy 63.2 percent shooting mark, but he'll shoot in the high 50s and get himself to the line.

Defensively, Turiaf was 10th among centers in blocks per minute and 15th in steals, but at a cost of a high foul rate (one every 7.13 minutes). The Knicks gave up 6.05 points per 100 minutes less with him on the floor last season; while that's a bit of an outlier, he's a strong plus-minus guy at the defensive end because he'll guard pick-and-rolls and run around like a crazy person trying to block everything. He just can't do this for extended minutes given the foul trouble and the manic pace he maintains.

The last part I bolded is huge. As Bruno alluded to in another thread, the Spurs are currently 27th in the league in PPP in pick and roll defense. And they've been pretty atrocious for a while now. Turiaf's presence could help in this aspect, especially if he gets 100% healthy and if the confidence is there.

[benefactor]

I never said he was a knockdown mid range shooter, genius. The difference is, Blair's literally a non threat to even shoot from their. Obviously, it doesn't make sense to bomb away if he's not confident enough in it, but still. Turiaf is more of threat from their than Blair. Just admit you were wrong and move on.


:lol If you are going to pull the "Wrong" card, at least know what you're talking about. In the last three seasons, Turiaf is 13-for-60 on shots from outside of ten feet.

I know you are trying to get your whole "anti-establishment showing up the establishment" thing going again, but I'd say less than 25% isn't a threat from there either. You said "Turiaf can actually shoot from mid-range." You were wrong...and trying to change the semantics of the argument after you were proven wrong just make it looks worse. Just admit you talked out of your ass and move on.

[TD 21]

Blair is so marginal a player right now that he could conceivably be replaced by a slightly better marginal player.

What's gotten into you? Critiquing a Spurs player AND agreeing with me in the same breathe? Forgot your medication? :lol

benefactor, if/when your head get's dislodged from timvp's ass one of these years, you'll realize that I was right. He claimed all Turiaf had on Blair was shot blocking, but he's actually a better, more versatile defender, in addition to being a better mid range shooter. What 'tres posted supports that.

[ChumpDumper]

Sticks and stones Chumpy. And no it doesn't.Sure it does.

Take him out of the lineups he's in and he's out of the rotation.

I didn't think you were this stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

What's gotten into you? Critiquing a Spurs player AND agreeing with me in the same breathe? Forgot your medication? :lolWho said I agreed with you?

[dirkdirkastan]

What's gotten into you? Critiquing a Spurs player AND agreeing with me in the same breathe? Forgot your medication? :lol

You noticed that too. I'm wondering if his ritalin cut out this week. Its like hes on his own little island.

[ChumpDumper]

You noticed that too. I'm wondering if his ritalin cut out this week.Thanks for slavishly keeping a record of everything I do. :tu

[dirkdirkastan]

Thanks for slavishly keeping a record of everything I do. :tu
Don't mention it Chump.

[ChumpDumper]

Glad I could be of assistance Chump.No problem.

lol forgot what you posted

[benefactor]

What's gotten into you? Critiquing a Spurs player AND agreeing with me in the same breathe? Forgot your medication? :lol

benefactor, if/when your head get's dislodged from timvp's ass one of these years, you'll realize that I was right. He claimed all Turiaf had on Blair was shot blocking, but he's actually a better, more versatile defender, in addition to being a better mid range shooter. What 'tres posted supports that.
And when you are done deflecting with your whole "head up timvp's ass" bit, you can check some actual stats.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Ronny%20Turiaf

He was never a good shooter from beyond 10ft. Ever. Your statement "Turiaf is actually a good shooter from mid-range" was a lie. Attacking me doesn't make you less of a liar. It just makes you look foolish.

[timvp]

I never said he was a knockdown mid range shooter, genius. The difference is, Blair's literally a non threat to even shoot from their. Obviously, it doesn't make sense to bomb away if he's not confident enough in it, but still. Turiaf is more of threat from their than Blair. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

You usually have some good takes but sometimes you're so dense it's ridiculous. I'm not even sure why I'm wasting time replying but ...

In the last three years, DeJuan Blair is 64-for-182 (35.2%) on jumpers outside of ten feet. In the last three years, Ronny Turiaf is 15-for-63 (23.8%) of ten feet. DeJuan Blair attempts 2.19 shots outside of ten feet per 48 minutes over the last three seasons, while Ronny Turiaf shoots 1.47 shots outside of ten feet per 48 minutes over the last three seasons.

So, Turiaf shoots less and for a lower percentage from mid-range. By no definition is Turiaf "more of a threat" from midrange. And if "Turiaf can actually shoot from mid range" so can Blair.

But, yeah, I look forward to how you'll attempt to shimmy out of this one. Typically, you say I'm either twisting your words or I'm bullying you so that'll probably be your go-to move here, tbh.

[benefactor]

:cry:crySpurstalk posters don't respect me:cry:cry

[The ADMIRAL 50]

I never said he was a knockdown mid range shooter, genius. The difference is, Blair's literally a non threat to even shoot from their. Obviously, it doesn't make sense to bomb away if he's not confident enough in it, but still. Turiaf is more of threat from their than Blair. Just admit you were wrong and move on.


Don't mockingly call someone a genius and then use the wrong form of "there." I'm not the grammar police, in fact I really don't give a shit, but when you literally just got done mockingly calling someone a genius, and then make a really, really basic mistake like that (twice), you come off looking like an idiot and an ass.


Take your own advice, dude. When you say Turiaf is a threat from midrange, and then somebody pulls out a stat saying he is 13 of his last 60 from 10 feet and out, you're wrong. Continuing to argue your recently disproven argument doesn't make you any less wrong, you just come off looking like an idiot and an ass. Just admit you were wrong, and maybe even consider moving on.

[benefactor]

Seriously though, just admit you were wrong. Hell...I had no problem admitting I was wrong when I didn't double check a couple of things I said in my RRT preview thread. We all do it at some point. Even veteran poster regulators like yourself miss one occasionally.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

You usually have some good takes but sometimes you're so dense it's ridiculous. I'm not even sure why I'm wasting time replying but ...

In the last three years, DeJuan Blair is 64-for-182 (35.2%) on jumpers outside of ten feet. In the last three years, Ronny Turiaf is 15-for-63 (23.8%) of ten feet. DeJuan Blair attempts 2.19 shots outside of ten feet per 48 minutes over the last three seasons, while Ronny Turiaf shoots 1.47 shots outside of ten feet per 48 minutes over the last three seasons.

So, Turiaf shoots less and for a lower percentage from mid-range. By no definition is Turiaf "more of a threat" from midrange. And if "Turiaf can actually shoot from mid range" so can Blair.

But, yeah, I look forward to how you'll attempt to shimmy out of this one. Typically, you say I'm either twisting your words or I'm bullying you so that'll probably be your go-to move here, tbh.

:rollin Looks like TD 21 has some major issues with looking up real stats.

[UnWantedTheory]

I am very interested in what you have to say next TD21. I'm a lone, lonely, loner with no life. Entertain me!:corn:

[superbigtime]

I wonder if Dice would actually return. Our thin, short, injured big lineup beckons. And there is just nobody out there who the Spurs could acquire that I could see wanting to play in SA. My concern is Pop would overplay a player who is done, ala nick van exel. But in pinch minutes and filling in for injuries I think he would be a great stop gap. It's not like he would play over 20 minutes. Who's with me?

[analyzed]

BTW any news if the Spurs are trying to move Anderson. from a pros and cons perspective what are the advantages and disadvantages of keeping him past the trade deadline,? I'm assuming he's done as a prospect rotation player in Pops mind

[Vic Petro]

I wonder if Dice would actually return. Our thin, short, injured big lineup beckons. And there is just nobody out there who the Spurs could acquire that I could see wanting to play in SA. My concern is Pop would overplay a player who is done, ala nick van exel. But in pinch minutes and filling in for injuries I think he would be a great stop gap. It's not like he would play over 20 minutes. Who's with me?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Dad-to-be-McDyess-glad-to-be-retired-2432224.php

[E-RockWill]

:lmao...Wow...
TD21 is getting his interweb cornhole rammed w/ no lube...


So, any general free agent signings/trades happening?

[iManu]

Turiaf is better at 3 point shots than blare.



[sic]

[E-RockWill]

Turiaf is better at 3 point shots than blare.



[sic]

:toast

[TD 21]

You usually have some good takes but sometimes you're so dense it's ridiculous. I'm not even sure why I'm wasting time replying but ...

In the last three years, DeJuan Blair is 64-for-182 (35.2%) on jumpers outside of ten feet. In the last three years, Ronny Turiaf is 15-for-63 (23.8%) of ten feet. DeJuan Blair attempts 2.19 shots outside of ten feet per 48 minutes over the last three seasons, while Ronny Turiaf shoots 1.47 shots outside of ten feet per 48 minutes over the last three seasons.

So, Turiaf shoots less and for a lower percentage from mid-range. By no definition is Turiaf "more of a threat" from midrange. And if "Turiaf can actually shoot from mid range" so can Blair.

But, yeah, I look forward to how you'll attempt to shimmy out of this one. Typically, you say I'm either twisting your words or I'm bullying you so that'll probably be your go-to move here, tbh.

Blair has less range. His numbers are inflated because he most likely shot a higher percentage from 11-12 feet, but I'm talking roughly 15 feet, to be exact.

Apparently you missed what 'tres posted from Hollinger: And while he rarely shoots, he made 40 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet last season, so defenses have to respect his jumper. Turiaf is unlikely to match last season's gaudy 63.2 percent shooting mark, but he'll shoot in the high 50s and get himself to the line.

You don't twist my words so much as you misconstrue them and I've never said or inferred that you were "bullying me". You just can't stand when people aren't patting you on the back. You and your marry band of idiots came up with this "I'm anti-establishment" nonsense. Despite what you may think, I have no schtick. I admit sometimes I do purposely push certain people's buttons, but that's about it.

benefactor, I never said "Turiaf is a good mid range shooter". In this thread, I said "he can actually shoot from mid range" and in another I put "he's a decent mid range shooter". In retrospect, I should have put "he can actually shoot somewhat from mid range". But that's not what I'm talking about when I said I was right. I'm talking about how he's better at more than just shot blocking than Blair and he is.

You're clearly still mad over my obliterating your point about "the Spurs being a good rebounding team" in your RRT thread. Get over it.

[sehui]

Turiaf plays better D, slightly taller, more athletic.

Not the greatest option, but we really lack size in the frontcourt. I mean, currently it looks like the Spurs aren't even going to do anything, so hell I'll take Turiaf.

[benefactor]

Blair has less range. His numbers are inflated because he most likely shot a higher percentage from 11-12 feet, but I'm talking roughly 15 feet, to be exact.

Apparently you missed what 'tres posted from Hollinger: And while he rarely shoots, he made 40 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet last season, so defenses have to respect his jumper. Turiaf is unlikely to match last season's gaudy 63.2 percent shooting mark, but he'll shoot in the high 50s and get himself to the line.

And you apparently missed what the actual numbers are. He did not make 40% from beyond 10 feet. From 10-23 feet he made 24% last season. Hollinger was wrong and you were dumb for taking what he said and running with it like it was gospel instead of doing some very simple fact checking...which you should probably go ahead and do now so you can stop with this ridiculous argument.

And yes...I misquoted you(see how easy it is to admit you are wrong?). That doesn't change the fact that he can't shoot from mid-range. He can't actually shoot. He's not a decent shooter. He can't somewhat shoot. 24% is sucking no matter how you try to spin it.

[DPG21920]

I'm shocked by those numbers from Turiaf. Maybe it's revisionist history, but I seem to remember him being a ver sold mid-range guy on LA. I also think the gap between him and Blair on defense and energy is sizeable despite what advanced metrics might say.

Spurs desperately need someone better than Blair is the original point though.

[The Truth #6]

And when you are done deflecting with your whole "head up timvp's ass" bit, you can check some actual stats.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Ronny%20Turiaf

He was never a good shooter from beyond 10ft. Ever. Your statement "Turiaf is actually a good shooter from mid-range" was a lie. Attacking me doesn't make you less of a liar. It just makes you look foolish.


I don't know...I looked up the link you provided for the stats. While Turiaf has never been good at 10-15 feet, he actually has almost always been better at 16-23 feet. And specifically, his first year in LA he shot 48% from 16-23 feet. So...I'm not sure how you're defining "good" but at least for one year, his first year, I would say he shot well from 16-23 feet. So to say he never shot well outside ten feet seems false.

Why his shooting got worse almost every year is a mystery. But his first two years in LA he shot at least decently from 16-23, and based on seeing him play then, perhaps some posters here thought of him as a better shooter than he later turned out to be.

[TDMVPDPOY]

bucks are willing to listen to offers fro bogut...

[jjktkk]

bucks are willing to listen to offers fro bogut...

Link?

[MaNu4Tres]

We really don't know how good of a mid-range shooter Turiaf is right now. Truth is he has shot over 35% from 15-23 feet out the majority of his career but his attempts (along with his confidence) seemed to have regressed the past few seasons. Why is that? Because he's been hampered dealing with injuries the majority of the past 3 seasons.

His numbers the past 3 years (10'-11'-12') are somewhat misleading, due to him missing more than half the games (in 2 of the 3 years) and being injured the majority of the three years (which causes the sample size to be relatively small; which makes Turiaf seem to be a worse shooter than Blair; which is false IMO).

Now, when you look at his past 3 healthy seasons, the numbers sky rocket to 107 for 278 in shots from 15-23 feet out-- which is equivalent to 39%. via Hoopdata. That number suggests he's better shooter and a more viable threat than Blair from mid-range.

Also, throughout his career, Turiaf has attempted three times as many shots from 15-23 feet than shots from 10-15 feet out. Take that however you want it.

[sehui]

Bogut's pretty injury prone though :/

[Kindergarten Cop]

bucks are willing to listen to offers fro bogut...


Link?

LINK (www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/magic_kingdom_ransom_rj4s6vvwwG5y96M97eB9pO/1)

That leads us to Andrew Bogut, who fractured his left ankle and is out for another 8-12 weeks. Hurt or healthy, there are always teams interested in the 2005 pick of the litter, who’s under contract ($13M/$14M) for the next seasons. Obviously, the Bucks have yet to hear anything especially enticing, but they’re “definitely open to offers,” disclosed an East Coast coach.

[benefactor]

Yeah...I saw that(guess I was wrong again, gets easier every time). I was going to edit what I said to add that year as the exception but I was too lazy to bother. I guess I was chalking it up as a bit of a fluke as his shooting has fallen off a cliff since then.

Still...the fact remains that our friend TD21 is still grasping onto misinformation to try to prove himself right. He used last year as his evidence...evidence he got from Hollinger who obviously didn't do proper research either(which is strange for a numbers guy). All he had to do was look it up himself. Instead, he once again cited the same false stats after the true stats were presented to him.

[The Truth #6]

Yes, whether or not Turiaf was once or had the potential to be a decent outside shooter, at this moment his outside shooting is weak. Perhaps it's from injuries as 'Tres mentions, but the fact that he's been injured a lot in the last few years doesn't exactly improve one's confidence in him to somehow reverse a 5 year trend.

That said, if Blair doesn't improve his rebounding then it's hard for me to say that Blair is that much better. The other way to look at that is: why pursue Turiaf if he isn't a marked improvement?

[benefactor]

We really don't know how good of a mid-range shooter Turiaf is right now.
Bingo. He's had some past success. Was it a fluke? Was it injuries as you suggested that made things worse? Could be either. There are only assumptions at this point and the numbers. The only safe assumption right now is that he really can't be trusted to stretch the floor at all. If the Spurs were going to target a player to help on the front line, I'd like to work with more concrete evidence.

[elemento]

I just wonder what kind of offer the Bucks expects for Bogut

[benefactor]

That said, if Blair doesn't improve his rebounding then it's hard for me to say that Blair is that much better. The other way to look at that is: why pursue Turiaf if he isn't a marked improvement?

The only safe assumption right now is that he really can't be trusted to stretch the floor at all. If the Spurs were going to target a player to help on the front line, I'd like to work with more concrete evidence.
Looks like we are on the same page here. No real reason to target a free agent that...tbh...doesn't make them significantly better. Backup plan or last resort? I could see that.

[MaNu4Tres]

Looks like we are on the same page here. No real reason to target a free agent that...tbh...doesn't make them significantly better. Backup plan or last resort? I could see that.

If healthy, Turiaf would be a significant improvement over Blair on the defensive end. IMO Most specifically in pick and roll defense/contesting shots in the paint. As Hollinger pointed out here in his assessment of Turiaf's defense:


He's a strong plus-minus guy at the defensive end because he'll guard pick-and-rolls and run around like a crazy person trying to block everything. He just can't do this for extended minutes given the foul trouble and the manic pace he maintains.

Also, it can be debated that Turiaf would be an improvement on the offensive end, as he would allow the superior offensive players on the team more shots by not taking any bad ones--which Blair has a problem with. (Simplified addition by subtraction; solid play over sloppy play) And that's not even to mention him potentially being a much better mid-range threat than Blair right now.

[benefactor]

I guess we have different definitions of significant. Still to many unknowns and assumptions for me to accept that he would make the team much better. Hed be better than doing nothing.

[The Truth #6]

And he's friends with Parker, which would be a positive to get him here and for him to be happy here, in theory.

Edit: IF healthy.

[DPG21920]

The thing is that there doesnt appear to be many options that would "clearly" make the Spurs better. What we do know is that we need shot blocking (he provides that) & consistent energy and a dirty work guy next to Tim (he provides that). This is really all moot because he's not available in reality at the moment.

[Hoops Czar]

The team isn't making a move. This decision was clarly made in the offseason when they chose to keep Rj. Now, they are going to stick with their guns and go with the youth (Splitter, Green, Leonard), and if it doesn't work, so be it.


Edit - Turiaf blows

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Mavs shopping Beaubois - Anderson's agent asked for a trade...

Salaries are similar...

[Mel_13]

My biggest concern with Turiaf is that he hasn't played since New Year's Day. He's been out with a broken hand and who knows how far away he is from returning and how much time he will need to get back to playing condition.

I'd definitely want him if he's bought out, but projecting him as an immediate addition to the rotation is optimistic.

[TD 21]

And you apparently missed what the actual numbers are. He did not make 40% from beyond 10 feet. From 10-23 feet he made 24% last season. Hollinger was wrong and you were dumb for taking what he said and running with it like it was gospel instead of doing some very simple fact checking...which you should probably go ahead and do now so you can stop with this ridiculous argument.

And yes...I misquoted you(see how easy it is to admit you are wrong?). That doesn't change the fact that he can't shoot from mid-range. He can't actually shoot. He's not a decent shooter. He can't somewhat shoot. 24% is sucking no matter how you try to spin it.

Fair enough. But you're still missing the point. This is a classic case of not seeing the forest (the fact that I said he's a better, more versatile defender, in addition to being a better shot blocker, which would make your savior wrong) from the trees (debating whether Turiaf is a decent or worse mid range shooter).

I wasn't necessarily wrong; Hollinger was. There's no earthly idea for me to have presumed he was wrong though and no one made me aware of it until now. But like 'tres did, you can interpret the numbers differently and I do. Either way, like I said from the beginning, I agree with your savior that he wouldn't crack the rotation anyway. Despite this team's desperate need for a versatile defensive big, who can block shots, they value corporate knowledge/chemistry too much to sign what's by most measures an inferior player and play him over Blair. Especially when you consider the fact that he wouldn't be in game shape and would have limited time to master even the basics of the system, as well as build chemistry.

Still, he'd be good insurance. I can't say with conviction that he'd make the team "that much better", but I can say with conviction that I can't imagine Blair being a rotation player -- and a starter at that -- on a championship team. He's a good stats/bad team guy, who just so happens to be on a good team. I'd rather find out if Turiaf can make the team "that much better" than have Blair inevitably end up being a large part of their undoing.

[elemento]

Mavs shopping Beaubois - Anderson's agent asked for a trade...

Salaries are similar...

yeah, but the values are not similar even considering Beaubois injuries;

[Kindergarten Cop]

yeah, but the values are not similar even considering Beaubois injuries;

This

[benefactor]

I wasn't necessarily wrong; Hollinger was.

:lol
Well...I guess your consistency is admirable.


Still, he'd be good insurance. I can't say with conviction that he'd make the team "that much better", but I can say with conviction that I can't imagine Blair being a rotation player -- and a starter at that -- on a championship team.
This we can agree on. At least we meet in the middle somewhere. :tu

[Kindergarten Cop]

Francisco Elson was waived today by the 76ers.

He is a true 7 footer. ;)

[spursparker9]

Elson can run the floor too. Remember when he was the fastest player beside parker on the team?

[therealtruth]

Seriously this team could get Dwight Howard and Pop probably still wouldn't play him because it wouldn't be fair to the other guys and he doesn't spread the floor.

[jermaine]

I would love elson man. He was a high energy guy. He played Dirk well.