Now Official: Spurs Trade RJ for Stephen Jackson

[DPG21920]

Look, the Spurs still have a glaring issue upfront but this allows the Spurs to have more grit in the starting line up (whether that's Kawhi or Jax). Jax has moxie and the Spurs needed that. RJ was a sickness that dragged everyone down. Jax will breathe new life.

Spurs amnestying RJ next year & adding a guy would have cost a lot; now they get a guy who's about as good as they could have hoped for with regards to title team impact.

Spurs need a big, but this trade saved them a lot of money and gave them championship grit.

[z0sa]

So is this confirmed or not, and if so by whom? Sorry but no time to read through the thread.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Welcome back Stephen.



PAT represennnnnnnnnt

[Chachachango]

:elephant

[TIMMYD!]

Holy shit!

[Tyrone Jenkins]

This is a good trade excluding Stephen Jackson from the equation. Anything he does is a bonus.

You trade a late first round pick for $10 million every day of the week.

SJ has played for 7 different teams in 13 years (including the Spurs way back when). Getting out of RJs contract is great but inheriting a guy who might be a chemistry problem is another...

If he can play D, hit a couple of 3s from the corner, hustle, rebound and keep his mouth shut to the officials, then I'm all for it.

But if he comes here, starts expecting to start and receive the ball in regular rotation like he did playing w/ weaker teams just a few years ago, watch out...

[Truckules]

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!

[Kori Ellis]

So is this confirmed or not, and if so by whom? Sorry but no time to read through the thread.

Confirmed by Yahoo.

[manufan10]

I'm on Spurstalk everyday and read all that I think is worthy to be read. I haven't posted in a very long time because the first round exits have killed my spirit. Now that the Spurs have brought back my favorite Spur and got rid of my least favorite Spur, I am posting again. Where is that damn purple elephant dancing thing?
:elephant

[DPG21920]

Bruno, basketball wise depending on Tim's money, how would amnesty of RJ be better of basketball wise? The Spurs might not have cap space next year.

[Bruno]

How so ? Spurs added 4th deadly weapon. Good defender, good shooter, could fit immediately. He is hungry of basketball and playing in conteder.

Jackson has been horrible this year. It could be a motivation issue but it could be that he will turn 34 in 20 days.

[timvp]

It's damn fun to see Jefferson gone and SJax back but I don't see the point of the trade. Keeping the pick and amnestying Jefferson was the better solution basketball wise.

Basketball wise, the Spurs with SJax have a lot higher ceiling than the Spurs with RJ. The Spurs didn't have a chance unless RJ was benched and that didn't appear to be in the cards. At least now the Spurs have a chance.

And if Duncan gets somewhere in the neighborhood of $13-15 million, which he could easily get if he wanted, amnestying RJ wouldn't have done anything.

With this move, at least RJ's player-option is wiped away and they won't be held done from that two seasons from now. Tbh, I think this is a good trade for now and in the future.

[jag]

Spurs need a big, but this trade saved them a lot of money and gave them championship grit.

Good post. The glaring weakness is still their lack of a defensive minded big.

[Kuestmaster]

One monkey don't stop no show. - SJax

I love having this guy back with the spurs

[will_spurs]

although GS fans are pretty happy he's gone. what did Jax do to that franchise?

He brought them to the playoffs. The fans aren't used to it there, and have never forgiven him.

:downspin:

[cheguevara]

At least now the Spurs have a chance.

not with the current state of our frontcourt. we still need a bigman

[jjktkk]

Why is Golden State falling for this?

Sounds like your upset that the Spurs improved with this trade. Figures.

[DrSteffo]

:toast

[MannyIsGod]

SJ has played for 7 different teams in 13 years (including the Spurs way back when). Getting out of RJs contract is great but inheriting a guy who might be a chemistry problem is another...

If he can play D, hit a couple of 3s from the corner, hustle, rebound and keep his mouth shut to the officials, then I'm all for it.

But if he comes here, starts expecting to start and receive the ball in regular rotation like he did playing w/ weaker teams just a few years ago, watch out...

New age Spurs fan.

[Kori Ellis]

SJ has played for 7 different teams in 13 years (including the Spurs way back when). Getting out of RJs contract is great but inheriting a guy who might be a chemistry problem is another...

If he can play D, hit a couple of 3s from the corner, hustle, rebound and keep his mouth shut to the officials, then I'm all for it.

But if he comes here, starts expecting to start and receive the ball in regular rotation like he did playing w/ weaker teams just a few years ago, watch out...

Stephen Jackson behaved in San Antonio because he needs the discipline of a tough system. He goes willy-nilly crazy when there's not someone strong to keep him in check. If you don't think Pop and TD will keep him in check, then that's fine, but there's honestly no reason to think that he could chemistry problems here.

And he probably will start.

[silverblk mystix]

SJ has played for 7 different teams in 13 years (including the Spurs way back when). Getting out of RJs contract is great but inheriting a guy who might be a chemistry problem is another...

If he can play D, hit a couple of 3s from the corner, hustle, rebound and keep his mouth shut to the officials, then I'm all for it.

But if he comes here, starts expecting to start and receive the ball in regular rotation like he did playing w/ weaker teams just a few years ago, watch out...

Relax...

this is the place where Jax thrived...and he was kept in check...

it is just a coming-home for Jax and the only thing he wants is to redeem his career...helping the Spurs in the playoffs will be the perfect redemption....

The ShawJax Redemption...

[silverblackfan]

Unbelievable! Did not think this would happen. Another clutch shooter.
"Welcome back Captain Jack! Eh.. you might have to be First Mate now..."

[jjktkk]

It's damn fun to see Jefferson gone and SJax back but I don't see the point of the trade. Keeping the pick and amnestying Jefferson was the better solution basketball wise.

I guess Holt is behind this trade and will enjoy the money saved.

This, and also imrpoves the team to contend imo.

[Bruno]

Bruno, basketball wise depending on Tim's money, how would amnesty of RJ be better of basketball wise? The Spurs might not have cap space next year.

The key is the pick. Hopefully, it's a 2012 pick and not a 2013 or after.

[will_spurs]

SJ has played for 7 different teams in 13 years (including the Spurs way back when). Getting out of RJs contract is great but inheriting a guy who might be a chemistry problem is another...

If he can play D, hit a couple of 3s from the corner, hustle, rebound and keep his mouth shut to the officials, then I'm all for it.

But if he comes here, starts expecting to start and receive the ball in regular rotation like he did playing w/ weaker teams just a few years ago, watch out...

http://www.nefga.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26369&d=1306899210

[The ADMIRAL 50]

Jackson can only be traded with his consent due to NBA rules.

Jackson's response:

FUCK YES.

[DPG21920]

Fisher to Hou for Jordan hill

[jag]

SJ has played for 7 different teams in 13 years (including the Spurs way back when). Getting out of RJs contract is great but inheriting a guy who might be a chemistry problem is another...

If he can play D, hit a couple of 3s from the corner, hustle, rebound and keep his mouth shut to the officials, then I'm all for it.

But if he comes here, starts expecting to start and receive the ball in regular rotation like he did playing w/ weaker teams just a few years ago, watch out...

New age Spurs fan

[bus driver]

Holy shit.

+1

now i can change my avatar


:flag:

[ginobilized]

Awesome!!!

There's a good chance that he will hit more 4th quarter shots than RJ come playoff time. That alone is worth the trade.

Congrats to the FO for pulling the trigger on this!!!!

[Bill_Brasky]

Stephen Jackson behaved in San Antonio because he needs the discipline of a tough system. He goes willy-nilly crazy when there's not someone strong to keep him in check. If you don't think Pop and TD will keep him in check, then that's fine, but there's honestly no reason to think that he could chemistry problems here.

And he probably will start.

Exactly. Jax knows the Spurs are a no nonsense organization. He needed this.

[ginobilized]

Awesome!!!

There's a good chance that he will hit more 4th quarter shots than RJ come playoff time. That alone is worth the trade.

Congrats to the FO for pulling the trigger on this!!!!

[MoSpur]

:elephant

Thanks. I finally found it too.

:elephant

[manufan10]

So when can teams start buying players out?

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

That would be some shit if Jax said "no thanks".

:( :( :(

[Tyrone Jenkins]

How so ? Spurs added 4th deadly weapon. Good defender, good shooter, could fit immediately. He is hungry of basketball and playing in conteder.

Good shooter?

Compare SJ and RJs percentages...hate to admit it but RJ is clearly a better shooter and scorer.

RJ may not fit the Spurs system very well but SJ isn't the pick because of his shooting by any means.

[timtonymanu]

SJ has played for 7 different teams in 13 years (including the Spurs way back when). Getting out of RJs contract is great but inheriting a guy who might be a chemistry problem is another...

If he can play D, hit a couple of 3s from the corner, hustle, rebound and keep his mouth shut to the officials, then I'm all for it.

But if he comes here, starts expecting to start and receive the ball in regular rotation like he did playing w/ weaker teams just a few years ago, watch out...

You do realize we've won a title with him before. He has respect for this organization and this organization respects him.

[Bruno]

Tbh, I think this is a good trade for now and in the future.

I don't see how losing a first round pick and adding a 34 years old player is good for the future.

RJ's contract wasn't a problem (except for Holt) because Spurs had the amnesty slot and RJ was the only serious candidate.

For the record, I quite like this trade. It will make Spurs more fun to watch and it's a great financial move. Saying that, it doesn't really help Spurs down the road.

[Kori Ellis]

Good shooter?

Compare SJ and RJs percentages...hate to admit it but RJ is clearly a better shooter and scorer.

RJ may not fit the Spurs system very well but SJ isn't the pick because of his shooting by any means.

It's not about percentages. It's about balls.

[Manu20]

Somebody pinch me....:wow

[FromWayDowntown]

Win now, worry later.®

[Tyrone Jenkins]

New age Spurs fan

I don't get it (maybe I'm too new age).

But, I'm 41, have lived in grew up in S Texas (CC to be exact) and have been a fan ever since the Gervin days (yes, through the Dawkins faze and all the way past Robinson until now).

[Mal]

Good shooter?

Compare SJ and RJs percentages...hate to admit it but RJ is clearly a better shooter and scorer.

RJ may not fit the Spurs system very well but SJ isn't the pick because of his shooting by any means.

Clutch shooting is better skill then % shooting. Stephen Jackson can be used as closer. RJ cant. He choke.

[JRHernandez88]

Hell yeah the SPURS got some swag now!!!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/AuCZfj4IQpc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LMAO!!!!! continue.....:corn::spless:

[bklynspursfan]

Man I hope Jackson can play tomorrow lol

[Tyrone Jenkins]

I don't see how losing a first round pick and adding a 34 years old player is good for the future.

RJ's contract wasn't a problem (except for Holt) because Spurs had the amnesty slot and RJ was the only serious candidate.

For the record, I quite like this trade. It will make Spurs more fun to watch and it's a great financial move. Saying that, it doesn't really help Spurs down the road.

BINGO.

If 34 defensive minded SFs are what we need, then we should've kept Bowen.

[timvp]

For the record, I quite like this trade. It will make Spurs more fun to watch and it's a great financial move. Saying that, it doesn't really help Spurs down the road.

Every team in the league, maybe outside of the Knicks, would trade a late first rounder for $10 million or whatever it is. So yeah, it's a great financial trade.

If SJax actually plays, he'll be an upgrade from RJ if only from a competitive standpoint. It's rare to do a salary dump that could also make you better on the basketball court.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Win now, worry later.®

Word. I was not a fan of how he exited San Antonio but even if all you knew about Jackson is what's happened in the last five years this guy's "honeymoon period" is no joke for a team that needs to win now. A little motivation goes a long way with this guy.

[bklynspursfan]

So when can teams start buying players out?

As of now I believe. They have till next Friday to use that player for the playoffs. (I don't know if I'm explaining that correctly but saw it via Twitter)

[manufan10]

Man I hope Jackson can play tomorrow lol

I was about to ask, is Captain Jack available to play tomorrow?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

BINGO.

If 34 defensive minded SFs are what we need, then we should've kept Bowen.

At 34 Bowen was beasting on Billups in the NBA finals. Stop this shit already. It's more of a financial trade. If SJax ever scores a basket for the Spurs it's gravy.

[timvp]

BINGO.

If 34 defensive minded SFs are what we need, then we should've kept Bowen.

Someone doesn't know how old Bowen is.

[TDMVPDPOY]

we traded away a guy who has no balls for a guy who has a couple, yet ppl here dont like the trade? wtf go watch equestrian if u like watchin rj prancing up n down the court doing nothing

[Kori Ellis]

It's not really about RJ's contract or the future or whatever.

RJ never fit here. He didn't fit on the court. He didn't fit off the court. He didn't fit.

He's a nice guy. He tries to be funny. He pretends he bought into the philosophy. I'm sure he'll thrive somewhere...but it's not in San Antonio.

So, the Spurs get rid of him. Get rid of a first rounder because they have a lot of youth sitting around already. And they bring in a guy who thrived in the clutch for them in the past, who was liked by everyone in the organization.

If Jack hits one big shot for the Spurs, it's a winning trade.
If he does nothing at all, it's a wash.

[Morg1411]

Holy. Fuck.

In a good way.

That is all. :toast

[DPG21920]

Spurs need a big though.

[Quiet Strength]

It's not about percentages. It's about balls.

Exactly

[GrandeDavid]

To those saying Jax is a shell of himself, since he left the Spurs he's mostly been on awful teams. I'm sure he'll magically look spry and alive when he's playing with Tim, Tony and Manu again.

[Budkin]

Holy shit I just read this! Fuck yeah! Welcome back Jax!!!

[SenorSpur]

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!

I'm sure Dicky J is probably saying the same thing.

[all_heart]

To those saying Jax is a shell of himself, since he left the Spurs he's mostly been on awful teams. I'm sure he'll magically look spry and alive when he's playing with Tim, Tony and Manu again.

We can only hope. Worst case scenario, this trade is a wash... nothing lost or gained.

[jag]

It's not really about RJ's contract or the future or whatever.

RJ never fit here. He didn't fit on the court. He didn't fit off the court. He didn't fit.

I'm sure he'll thrive somewhere...but it's not in San Antonio.



He'll thrive in San Francisco, at least off the court.

[Proxy]

Bring the toughness back capn jack

[therealtruth]

I think the Spurs could have done this trade more as insurance if Manu gets hurt.

[jag]

Spurs need a big though.

We know

[all_heart]

Gonna go home and crack open a cold one!!

[SenorSpur]

Knowing the Spurs re-upped RJ is still a head-scratcher - to this very day.

[Budkin]

Greatest trade ever.

I don't care what happens.

9 years is better than nothing! We've all wanted JAX back!

[SA210]

AWWWW SHYT!!!

Damn, I'm in Port A for Spring break, just found out. We just got gangsta!!

:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag:

[all_heart]

We know

But not as much as we used to. Lakers got smaller and who can guard Durant anyways?

[Obstructed_View]

Duncan
Leonard
Jack
Manu
Parker


There's a smallball lineup I dont mind putting out there.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Oh my god, I've been dreaming about this day since...since he left!


We stacked, my silver-blooded brothers and sisters!

We stacked!

[bresilhac]

Gonna go home and crack open a cold one!!

The long awaited return of Captain Jack! Let it rain threes now. I've got a tall cool one in my hand right now! I love this day!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Now we nneed someone to brush up on some Jackson tape, and see if this guy is washed up or just apathetic

[timvp]

Duncan
Leonard
Jack
Manu
Parker


There's a smallball lineup I dont mind putting out there.
Good point. Small ball just got a lot more potent. In fact, if Jack pans out, the Spurs might have just replaced RJ and Bonner's spot in the clutch-time rotation.
:wow

[TheChillFactor]

You little Hollinger wannabes can crunch whatever numbers you want, but Imma say this & Imma end mine...

We just went from this:

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Richard-Jefferson-Luke-Walton-Basketball-Players-Bromance-Vacation-3.jpg

To this:

http://allhiphop.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/stephen-jackson.jpg?w=620

/thread

[VBM]

It's not about percentages. It's about balls.

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/108/1081362/south-park-20100329083143148_640w_1270130404.jpg

[jag]

But not as much as we used to. Lakers got smaller and who can guard Durant anyways?

Lakers got smaller?

[AnthonyM]

Didn't see this posted earlier. So, just in case it hasn't been mentioned.

The Spurs will also sent their first-round draft pick this year as part of the package. Sources say that pick is lottery protected.

Per ESPN.

[Chase_the_Bass]

The Captain should play well with us. He single-handedly beat us earlier this year, I think that was him saying "Fuck yo RJ clown, trade for me! Can RJ ever do this? Hell no."

[yavozerb]

Good point. Small ball just got a lot more potent. In fact, if Jack pans out, the Spurs might have just replaced RJ and Bonner's spot in the clutch-time rotation.
:wow

we may be talking about amnesting Bonner this summer if things work out..

[Big Empty]

hell yea!!!!!! WOOOHOOOO!!! BTW what kinda contract does sjax have??

[Chase_the_Bass]

We just went from this:

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Richard-Jefferson-Luke-Walton-Basketball-Players-Bromance-Vacation-3.jpg

To this:

http://allhiphop.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/stephen-jackson.jpg?w=620

/thread

Brilliant.

[all_heart]

Lakers got smaller?

No more Odom. Either way they have zero bench compared to ours.

[timvp]

Now we nneed someone to brush up on some Jackson tape, and see if this guy is washed up or just apathetic

I've seen him a few times. Sometimes he looks okay. Sometimes he looks done. That one game against the Spurs, he looked like Kobe crossed with MJ crossed with Bird.

That said, I wouldn't expect much. I mean, if he averages 10 points per game on 42% shooting from the field and 35% shooting from beyond the arc, that'd be a little better than expected.

There's a small chance he can totally turn it around and have one final glorious run of good games ... but I doubt it. I think he'll be inefficient and have some bad games but he'll also be someone you can count on to really, really care about winning. That alone is an improvement over RJ.

[Spurs Brazil]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm damn happy. Welcome back Jax!!!!!!!!!!!

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/711/412/2058489_display_image.jpg?1297667353

And GTFO Jefferson. You were one of the worst Spurs all time :flipoff

[all_heart]

Seems Warriors fans are fine with this deal...

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2012/3/15/2874700/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-warriors-stephen-jackson-richard-jefferson?ref=yahoo

[polandprzem]

WTF babysitting again?

[Obstructed_View]

hell yea!!!!!! WOOOHOOOO!!! BTW what kinda contract does sjax have??

I think he makes RJ money for the same length of time. IINM he's an expiring to dump next year just like RJ.

[TDMVPDPOY]

good thing about this jax trade, we have a deep backcourt where we can have at leasts 2 wing defenders who play above avg defense lockin down players

[timvp]

Didn't see this posted earlier. So, just in case it hasn't been mentioned.

The Spurs will also sent their first-round draft pick this year as part of the package. Sources say that pick is lottery protected.

Per ESPN.
Better this year's pick than a future pick. And bonus points for being lottery protected.

It's a little tough to see the pick go but then again, $10 million for a late first rounder is a trade every team does every time.

[DPG21920]

Spurs open up some cap space by moving this years first.

[jag]

No more Odom. Either way they have zero bench compared to ours.

Jordan Hill. He's not good, and he's been abused by every big man he's faced (Tiago's 25 points) but he's a big body and offers size from the bench.

[Bruno]

Didn't see this posted earlier. So, just in case it hasn't been mentioned.

The Spurs will also sent their first-round draft pick this year as part of the package. Sources say that pick is lottery protected.

Per ESPN.

Great news.

Spurs pick for this year is currently 27th. It isn't a that big loss.

[Spurs Brazil]

And the always late E-N :lol

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/15/sources-report-stephen-jackson-acquired-for-richard-jefferson/

[Obstructed_View]

Better this year's pick than a future pick. And bonus points for being lottery protected.

It's a little tough to see the pick go but then again, $10 million for a late first rounder is a trade every team does every time.

Agreed. BTW, glad your lovely wife isn't the GM. Seeing three first rounders go would have stung a bit.

[024]

yeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

[DPG21920]

Nene to Was for McGee

[bklynspursfan]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

[Cant_Be_Faded]

If Jackson is done, then we all should start praying Leonard stays healthy. If Jackson sucks, Leonard can be due for big big big time minutes

[baseline bum]

Sweet.... Spurs lost Dick and got a pair of balls in exchange.

[jag]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

bad ass

[MaNu4Tres]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

[timvp]

Great news.

Spurs pick for this year is currently 27th. It isn't a that big loss.

I know GSW didn't want Jack but damn what are they thinking?













Wait, I just remembered that the Warriors need to tank because they owe a top 7 protected lottery pick. So if they don't tank below that level, they'll lose their lottery pick.

With that in mind, Richard Jefferson is a great way to tank. He'll be sure to make that team suck enough so that the Warriors keep that lottery pick.

Jack for a late first rounder and a lottery pick? Great trade by Golden State.

[AnthonyM]

The fact that the pick is lottery protected is just icing on the cake. Even if Sjax amounts to nothing...this is going to be a huge hit with Spurs fans...if anything just for the memories.

[Leetonidas]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

:smokin

[timvp]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

Greatest. Tweet. Ever.

[all_heart]

Jordan Hill. He's not good, and he's been abused by every big man he's faced (Tiago's 25 points) but he's a big body and offers size from the bench.

True but he just got there and has to fit it. Spurs should be able handle the Lakers anyway.

[polandprzem]

killer instinct guy might help this year.
His attitude will not last longer then this season IMO

[Mal]

Stephen Jackson Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

To all my fans thanks for the love. To my spurs fans lets go. I'm ready and hungry. Grrrrrrr

[Obstructed_View]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

Storybook.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

No more Odom. Either way they have zero bench compared to ours.

They dealt Fisher for Jordan Hill a little while ago. I think that might have been what Jag was getting at. Not saying that move magically solves their issues, but it does make them bigger.

ETA: fucking computer, how the hell did it take this long to post that?

[NASpurs]

Damn reading that Jax tweet gave me goosebumps. A motivated player playing where he wants to be at can do wonders.

[Fpoonsie]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

Pimp.

[Maddog]

I've seen him a few times. Sometimes he looks okay. Sometimes he looks done. That one game against the Spurs, he looked like Kobe crossed with MJ crossed with Bird.

That said, I wouldn't expect much. I mean, if he averages 10 points per game on 42% shooting from the field and 35% shooting from beyond the arc, that'd be a little better than expected.

There's a small chance he can totally turn it around and have one final glorious run of good games ... but I doubt it. I think he'll be inefficient and have some bad games but he'll also be someone you can count on to really, really care about winning. That alone is an improvement over RJ.

I think that is a fairly reasonable expectation/impression

I also think his contract becomes valuable next year as an expiring contract.
RJ could have been amnestied next year- but other than cap room that the Spurs probably can't entice anyone to be able to utilize.

[024]

oh man if sjax can revive his winning ways, this will be an amazing deal. if not, the spurs just swapped an invisible SF to a SF that shoots really low percentages.

[velik_m]

I'll have to side with Bruno on this one, i don't like the trade all that much. I think it won't do much for Spurs this season and not any good for the future.

[all_heart]

Nene to Was for McGee

Not a bad move for either team IMO.

[coyotes_geek]

If Jackson is done, then we all should start praying Leonard stays healthy. If Jackson sucks, Leonard can be due for big big big time minutes

Precisely what I'm worried about.

I'm fine with the trade, but people should be expecting the 2011-2012 Bucks version of SJ and not the 2002-2003 Spurs version.

[rasho8]

So what do we look like now?

Starters: Tim, Tony, SJax, Kawhi, Blair
Bench: Manu, Neal, Tiago, Bonner, Green

That's two starting NBA teams right there.

[DPG21920]

I'm praying for a Kaman buyout. This trade basketball wise helps some but it's really (at least as it appears now) not a huge jump forward (just financially for the Spurs). I hope this wasn't the all time best money grab Jedi mind trick by the FO.

"well get a fan favorite back, make the appearance we tried to shake it up all the while not really addressing the needs and saving money hahaha!"

[polandprzem]

I'll have to side with Bruno on this one, i don't like the trade all that much. I think it won't do much for Spurs this season and not any good for the future.

What?

It might do this year and screw the next one

[polandprzem]

I mean just screw the next year :)

[Malice]

Sweet.... Spurs lost Dick and got a pair of balls in exchange.

THIS. :lol

[Leetonidas]

I think Spurs will get Diaw if not Kaman

[rasho8]

Kaman and Diaw buyout pickups... We can hope.

[JR3]

I like this trade overall... Can't wait to see him back in a spurs uniform.

[Obstructed_View]

I mean just screw the next year :)

Except that next year he's a big expiring contract. Even if Jack is a shell of himself he goes from being a guy who used to go for 40 to a guy who can score six straight when you really need a run. He doesn't have to be Michael Jordan, he just has to not be Kobe Bryant. :lol

[ace3g]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Close

Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball
Retweeted by Maximum Sports

--

Late on this one, lol, dont' follow him, I guess now I should!!!

Motivation can be a great tool for success!!!

[all_heart]

They dealt Fisher for Jordan Hill a little while ago. I think that might have been what Jag was getting at. Not saying that move magically solves their issues, but it does make them bigger.

ETA: fucking computer, how the hell did it take this long to post that?

Yea, I saw that. On the other hand the Lakers lost a team leader and got 2 new players that have to be part of Kobe's world.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

When is the soonest Jackson can play?
Im going to Saturday's game, and my chode will collapse in on itself if he's available

[Malice]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball


Yes please.:flag:

[timvp]

Precisely what I'm worried about.

I'm fine with the trade, but people should be expecting the 2011-2012 Bucks version of SJ and not the 2002-2003 Spurs version.

Tbh, 2003 Jack isn't a high bar to live up to. He wasn't nearly as good as our memory makes him out to be. We remember those shots against the Nets but he had some really bad games in that playoff run. According to PER and everything else, he graded out as a below replacement level player that year.

[TDMVPDPOY]

So what do we look like now?

Starters: Tim, Tony, SJax, Kawhi, Blair
Bench: Manu, Neal, Tiago, Bonner, Green

That's two starting NBA teams right there.

manu should be the backup point imo, have neal return to usual shooter role...

if we can sign a big diaw or kaman, blair goes to the end of the bench

[Leetonidas]

imo Diaw could play the kind of Horry role we've been missing. I think Duncan/Splitter are good at the C and adding Kaman would be a no brainer but getting Diaw would be a very underrated move. Too bad we probably can't get both

[Mal]

Anthony carter waived. Not a pipe dream, but could be usefull

[phyzik]

To all my fans thanks for the love. To my spurs fans lets go. I'm ready and hungry. Grrrrrrr

:ihit

From Twitter.

[cheguevara]

When is the soonest Jackson can play?
Im going to Saturday's game, and my chode will collapse in on itself if he's available

doubt it. Jax hasn't played since Feb 19 I think

[loveforthegame]

Would be nice to know if his injury is legit or not? You have to believe he's ready to go soon for the Spurs to have picked him up. Hopefully the move wasn't just a financial one.

Judging from his tweet he sounds ready to play.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Tbh, 2003 Jack isn't a high bar to live up to. He wasn't nearly as good as our memory makes him out to be. We remember those shots against the Nets but he had some really bad games in that playoff run. According to PER and everything else, he graded out as a below replacement level player that year.

He was streaky three shooter, and went thru long periods of being a turnover machine. But he developed a good chemistry with Duncan off three pick and roll, which Tiago excels at, played defense and rebounded when the going got tough.

the clutch fourth quarter playoff three's were the overall exception not the rule for the season, but 2007 proved that it can be the rule for his post season play

[Chomag]

Sjax may not be the player he once was but if he just can brin gthe effort he did when he was last hear that would add so much to this team.

He is tough as they come, and it be good to have a bit of swager out there after seeing soft player slike Bonner and RJ out there for so long.

[therealtruth]

I wonder if he still wants that contract extension.

[timtonymanu]

So what do we look like now?

Starters: Tim, Tony, SJax, Kawhi, Blair
Bench: Manu, Neal, Tiago, Bonner, Green

That's two starting NBA teams right there.

Let's go with

Starters: Tony, Jax, Leonard, Timmy, Splitter
Bench: Manu as the 6th man, Neal = Kerr role.

See where I'm going here. :hat

[Chomag]

Greatest thing with this trade is we get rid of RJ, so it's pretty much win win too me.

A motivated "which I think eh will be returning and playing alongside of Duncan again" Sjax would be adeadly one.

[FromWayDowntown]

I recall that when the Hawks came to SA in November 2003, Pop and Jax had a long embrace and conversation on the floor after the game. My memory is that Pop told the press later that he told Jax, basically, that the door wasn't closed on a return to SA at some point. It struck me then because it fueled some hope that Jax would have come back sooner; but it was also odd because Popovich doesn't usually share those sorts of things with the media and it was extremely complimentary of Stephen Jackson, I thought.

I'm looking for the exact quote.

[timtonymanu]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

:toast Enough to make even more excited.

[FromWayDowntown]

double post

[davidbowie]

thank you based god
:downspin:

[Mugen]

cant wait til Jax goes into the locker room and asks "Who's this ginger fuck?"

[all_heart]

Tbh, 2003 Jack isn't a high bar to live up to. He wasn't nearly as good as our memory makes him out to be. We remember those shots against the Nets but he had some really bad games in that playoff run. According to PER and everything else, he graded out as a below replacement level player that year.

Yes, but I think we like him so much cause he's the R-rated player on a PG-13 team.

[coyotes_geek]

Tbh, 2003 Jack isn't a high bar to live up to. He wasn't nearly as good as our memory makes him out to be. We remember those shots against the Nets but he had some really bad games in that playoff run. According to PER and everything else, he graded out as a below replacement level player that year.

Definitely agree that Jack's reputation is inflated. I pretty much see this as a lateral move basketball-wise with a definite positive financially.

[timvp]

I recall that when the Hawks came to SA in November 2003, Pop and Jax had a long embrace and conversation on the floor after the game. My memory is that Pop told the press later that he told Jax, basically, that the door wasn't closed on a return to SA at some point. It struck me then because it fueled some hope that Jax would have come back sooner; but it was also odd because Popovich doesn't usually share those sorts of things with the media and it was extremely complimentary of Stephen Jackson, I thought.

I'm looking for the exact quote.Good point. Also remember that the Spurs tried to sign Stephen Jackson the next summer before they settled for Brent Barry. All along it sounded like the divorce was due to Jackson's agent (Fegan, IIRC).

[Borosai]

Wow.

[timvp]

I wonder if he still wants that contract extension.

He probably still wants it. And he'll ask for it. But no way the Spurs give it to him. He miiiiight get a one year extension after the season if he performs well.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Someone doesn't know how old Bowen is.

How old was Bowen when he was traded?

[coyotes_geek]

He was streaky three shooter, and went thru long periods of being a turnover machine. But he developed a good chemistry with Duncan off three pick and roll, which Tiago excels at, played defense and rebounded when the going got tough.

the clutch fourth quarter playoff three's were the overall exception not the rule for the season, but 2007 proved that it can be the rule for his post season play

Careful. As awesome as 2007 playoff Jackson vs. the Mavs was, 2007 playoff Jackson vs. the Jazz was awful.

[Chomag]

cant wait til Jax goes into the locker room and asks "Who's this ginger fuck?"
:lol

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Fair enough, coyote geek, but one good series still improves what we gave up, which is no good playoff games, much less a series

[ace3g]

I guess I can finally update my sig

[polandprzem]

Jack still can be the one who fuchs us up in the playoffs

TO's bad shooting attitude ...

[Mugen]

rofl @ anybody calling this a lateral basketball move for the Spurs.

[will_spurs]

Remember that GS has to tank hard this year to keep their draft pick, so RJ is an obvious choice!


Wait, I just remembered that the Warriors need to tank because they owe a top 7 protected lottery pick. So if they don't tank below that level, they'll lose their lottery pick.

With that in mind, Richard Jefferson is a great way to tank. He'll be sure to make that team suck enough so that the Warriors keep that lottery pick.

Great minds think alike (even though some think faster :lol)

[all_heart]

Jack still can be the one who fuchs us up in the playoffs

TO's bad shooting attitude ...


Hmmm... sounds familiar, but I think this guy just left.

[coyotes_geek]

Fair enough, coyote geek, but one good series still improves what we gave up, which is no good playoff games, much less a series

I agree.

I think the odds of Jackson being able to "find the magic" here aren't all that good, but they're greater than zero. The Spurs traded something that wasn't going to work for something that might.

[Spursfan092120]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5
Back where I belong. SA here I come. #hungry #readytoball

Fucking epic...love the attitude.

[Arcadian]

Look at Jackson's career stats. Between 2004-2011, he averaged at least 18 ppg seven times and at least 20 ppg four times. Obviously, that was partly because of the role assigned to him. He won't average more than 10 with the Spurs because he will always be the third or fourth option in the offense. But that's okay. He is still capable of scoring 18 ppg given the right situation. It would be erroneous to evaluate his success with the Spurs based on stats. It doesn't give an accurate indication. His stats could all drop off, and he could still have a huge impact on the team's success.

[polandprzem]

I agree.

I think the odds of Jackson being able to "find the magic" here aren't all that good, but they're greater than zero. The Spurs traded something that wasn't going to work for something that might.

End of discussion

[JustSpurs]

There is a God!

[bklynspursfan]

Mo Elzaim ‏ @Signandtrades
@talkhoops Stephen Jackson hasn't arrived in SA yet, but he has already mentioned the word "extension" three times
Retweeted by Zach Harper

[benefactor]

Seriously...fuck you all that don't like this. Would you have rather kept RJ? And cot damn...it fucking Buckets. Buckets.

Buckets.

[coyotes_geek]

Mo Elzaim ‏ @Signandtrades
@talkhoops Stephen Jackson hasn't arrived in SA yet, but he has already mentioned the word "extension" three times
Retweeted by Zach Harper

He can mention it all he wants, but he's not getting one.

[slick'81]

woke up from a long hangover and have been rewarded fck yeah good bye rj hello jax

[Tyrone Jenkins]

At 34 Bowen was beasting on Billups in the NBA finals. Stop this shit already. It's more of a financial trade. If SJax ever scores a basket for the Spurs it's gravy.

Dude, calm down and use your brain instead of your emotions...

I'm not mad at getting rid of RJ. Let's get that straight. But this trade is NOT a salary dump. If it was, then it would've been smarter to keep RJ and just amnesty his contract at the end of the season. RJ was traded FOR someone, and that someone has a similar salary this year and the next. SJax may or may not be eligible for that same amnesty, but if the Spurs use it, it means the trade was a failure and the Spurs lost a 1st round pick in the process. To further the risk, I understand there's some rule that means SJax, who's reported as injured, must play on the team in a few days to be eligible to play in the playoffs?

Regardless of that, this trade is about making a run for the title. And while I feel as if SJax is a MUCH better fit in the Spurs scheme, there's a REASON why he wasn't resigned by the Spurs in 03 (he was vocally bitter about it as well).

Let's just hope Jax has matured. If I recall, an immature Pao Gasol was upset last year about a rumor surrounding his gf. Lamar Odom is a mess in Dallas. Some guys are just not right chemisty-wise. I'm not sayin SJax is not - as I really hope he is. I'm just mentioning we need to be cautious.

I do hope and pray Pop has got this one...

[Barfunk]

Fanastic fucking news

[spurs4real]

Wow back to the Spurs, I know Manu is loving this trade.

[benefactor]

I was coming home from the store thinking I would catch the last of the trade deadline...watching other teams make minor moves to get better while the Spurs hung out and waited for the post-deadline buyouts.

But no...they did the incredible...they got rid of RJ. And for who?

Buckets motherfuckers.

[polandprzem]

http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/raise-the-bucket-from-the-ground.jpg

[timvp]

Let's get that straight. But this trade is NOT a salary dump. If it was, then it would've been smarter to keep RJ and just amnesty his contract at the end of the season.Even if the Spurs amnestied RJ, they still had to pay him the money due (it just wouldn't have counted against the cap). After this year, Jackson is due $10 million, while RJ is due $21.1 million.

That's a $11.1 million savings for a late first round pick. If Jackson never even comes to San Antonio, this is a GREAT trade. If Jackson does anything as a Spur, it's gravy.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Jax is not the same player he once was, but this could work if he decides to play the role Pop allocates to him. If he doesn't, welcome to the doghouse!

Intriguing move.

Even though it saves money, it disturbs me a little that it took a first rounder in a deep draft to get this done.

[benefactor]

Dude, calm down and use your brain instead of your emotions...

I'm not mad at getting rid of RJ. Let's get that straight. But this trade is NOT a salary dump. If it was, then it would've been smarter to keep RJ and just amnesty his contract at the end of the season. RJ was traded FOR someone, and that someone has a similar salary this year and the next. SJax may or may not be eligible for that same amnesty, but if the Spurs use it, it means the trade was a failure and the Spurs lost a 1st round pick in the process. To further the risk, I understand there's some rule that means SJax, who's reported as injured, must play on the team in a few days to be eligible to play in the playoffs?

Regardless of that, this trade is about making a run for the title. And while I feel as if SJax is a MUCH better fit in the Spurs scheme, there's a REASON why he wasn't resigned by the Spurs in 03 (he was vocally bitter about it as well).

Let's just hope Jax has matured. If I recall, an immature Pao Gasol was upset last year about a rumor surrounding his gf. Lamar Odom is a mess in Dallas. Some guys are just not right chemisty-wise. I'm not sayin SJax is not - as I really hope he is. I'm just mentioning we need to be cautious.

I do hope and pray Pop has got this one...
http://www.pajamasandcoffee.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/what_the_fuck_is_this_shit_dr_seus.jpg

[SenorSpur]

Some said they couldn't do it, and it got done.
While he was here, it was less than fun.

Thank God R.C. was able to pull off what many thought was the impossible.

Good to have Captain Jack coming back into the fold.

I hope the Spurs FO learned a valuable lesson about importing players who do not fit the system - then compounding the issue by re-upping them.

[timtonymanu]

David Aldridge really loves the trade. He keeps praising it on nbatv while the other two guys are all Magic, Magic, Magic, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers.

[therealtruth]

He probably still wants it. And he'll ask for it. But no way the Spurs give it to him. He miiiiight get a one year extension after the season if he performs well.

Let's hope it doesn't affect his play. What's the reason for his numbers being down this year?

[will_spurs]

The other side of the conversation (http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2012/3/15/2874700/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-warriors-stephen-jackson-richard-jefferson?ref=yahoo)


what were the spurs thinking lmaooo
Stephen Jackson for a 1st round AND richard jefferson?


There is a GAWD...
HALLEJULAH !!!


So now we traded Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh and Kwame Brown for Andrew Bogut, Richard Jefferson, and a 1st round draft pick.

(note: this guy has a point. overall the Warriors have improved a lot)


this is a great deal.


Bravo.
• Jefferson’s got an extra year on his contract, but he’s also two years younger.
• Jefferson’s a much more complementary/team player: scores much more efficiently, rebounds a bit better, turns the ball over much less.
• We don’t have to pretend to like the jerk who gladly signed a pricy contract extension with us and then crapped all over us.
• FIRST ROUND PICK.

It sounds oddly similar to what we're saying :D

[Spurs da champs]

Let's hope it doesn't affect his play. What's the reason for his numbers being down this year?

Scott Skiles & Brandon Jennings.

[BanditHiro]

http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/raise-the-bucket-from-the-ground.jpg

a little beaten but it can still do it's job

[tmtcsc]

Mike Brown was the guy that kept Pop and SJ from killing each other. I wonder who will fill that role now.

The memories of SJ being clutch are awesome but the ones of him getting pulled after 1 minute or less in a game are still fresh for me too. Those were hilarious. :lol

No doubt, this is a GREAT trade. RJ was worthless and his game was flat and uninspiring.

[all_heart]

Sjax has a lot to play for, when he gets in game shape, he's gonna help the Spurs quite a bit. Let's just hope he stays healthy and contributes in some way.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's a great trade for the Warriors..

Jefferson fits in very well with a non-playoff team like the Warriors..no pressure, just play offensive ball..as an offensive player, he's easily better than Jax..

In addition, they received a first round pick..

I like the trade, as a Spurs fan, but strictly from a basketball perspective, Golden State easily got the better deal..

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I have a strange feeling Jax is going to hit some big shots for us in the playoffs... ;)

The more I think about it, the more I like this as a gamble for a run at the title. Sure as hell we weren't going much past the second round without a move, but Jaxanity might be just the tonic to take us on an insane run. Let's hope so.

Unfortunately, we still have the glaring Grizz-Bonner issue though...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dude, calm down and use your brain instead of your emotions...


Oh the irony.

Yes it was a salary dump first and foremost. It's just one that has about 5 or 10% chance to help basketball-wise too, that's what makes it great. I'm sure Holt paying off $21 million to amnesty RJ is not your problem, but it sure is his.

[Obstructed_View]

I agree.

I think the odds of Jackson being able to "find the magic" here aren't all that good, but they're greater than zero. The Spurs traded something that wasn't going to work for something that might.

Exactly. The ceiling for RJ is that he doesn't completely disappear in the playoffs for once. The ceiling for Jack is that he helps the Spurs win a title. This is worth it for the potential increase in defense alone.

[will_spurs]

@DaTrillStak5: Question fans. Should I stay with 1 or should I go back to 3.


@GDWine: @DaTrillStak5 3's where it's at


@DaTrillStak5: Thanks to my fans 3 it is.

[therealtruth]

Even if the Spurs amnestied RJ, they still had to pay him the money due (it just wouldn't have counted against the cap). After this year, Jackson is due $10 million, while RJ is due $21.1 million.

That's a $11.1 million savings for a late first round pick. If Jackson never even comes to San Antonio, this is a GREAT trade. If Jackson does anything as a Spur, it's gravy.

I think the greatest value could be Jax's expiring contract. That might be able to be turned into a good big. The FO is basically in the same position they were with RJ in '10.

[benefactor]

The other side of the conversation (http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2012/3/15/2874700/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-warriors-stephen-jackson-richard-jefferson?ref=yahoo)







(note: this guy has a point. overall the Warriors have improved a lot)





It sounds oddly similar to what we're saying :D
They just don't understand the mental aspect of the two situations. RJ was sucking the life out of the Spurs and Jack probably would suck the life out of any team that wasn't the Spurs. For immediate purposes...its a good move for both teams. Warriors fans will face a bit of sobering reality around the middle of next season when they realize that RJ is going to pick up his option and they will have to deal with another whole season of him.

[Obstructed_View]

Mike Brown was the guy that kept Pop and SJ from killing each other. I wonder who will fill that role now.

He might be available by the end of the regular season.

[iManu]

How the fuck did we get this deal? :D

[iManu]

Sorry, sorry. I never swear, I'm just amazed!!!!!! :D

[DAF86]

Mmmh, I have a bad feeling about this one.

[Obstructed_View]

I like the trade, as a Spurs fan, but strictly from a basketball perspective, Golden State easily got the better deal..


As I mentioned before, the Warriors would be happy to contend for a playoff spot in the west. The Spurs won't be happy without ring number five. From a basketball perspective, this is great for both situations.

[therealtruth]

Look at Jackson's career stats. Between 2004-2011, he averaged at least 18 ppg seven times and at least 20 ppg four times. Obviously, that was partly because of the role assigned to him. He won't average more than 10 with the Spurs because he will always be the third or fourth option in the offense. But that's okay. He is still capable of scoring 18 ppg given the right situation. It would be erroneous to evaluate his success with the Spurs based on stats. It doesn't give an accurate indication. His stats could all drop off, and he could still have a huge impact on the team's success.

He's going to assume RJ's scapegoat position. KL right now is the best fit for the 3 position.

[all_heart]

No doubt, this is a GREAT trade. RJ was worthless and his game was flat and uninspiring.

Perfectly said. :flag:

[timvp]

It's a great trade for the Warriors..

Jefferson fits in very well with a non-playoff team like the Warriors..no pressure, just play offensive ball..as an offensive player, he's easily better than Jax..

In addition, they received a first round pick..

I like the trade, as a Spurs fan, but strictly from a basketball perspective, Golden State easily got the better deal..The best part of the trade for the Warriors is they'll be able to tank enough to protect their lottery pick. When it comes to tanking, Jefferson is a magnificent addition.


I think the greatest value could be Jax's expiring contract. That might be able to be turned into a good big. The FO is basically in the same position they were with RJ in '10.Good point. So instead of amnestying RJ this summer, the Spurs will have a tradeable asset in Jack's expiring deal. So for a first round draft pick, the Spurs save $11.1 million, get a nice-sized expiring contract and a wild card who has a chance to be a very positive addition.


They just don't understand the mental aspect of the two situations. RJ was sucking the life out of the Spurs and Jack probably would suck the life out of any team that wasn't the Spurs. For immediate purposes...its a good move for both teams. Warriors fans will face a bit of sobering reality around the middle of next season when they realize that RJ is going to pick up his option and they will have to deal with another whole season of him.
Yeah, Warriors fans need to get back to us a year from now and tell us what they think. Instead of having Jack's contract about to come off the books, they'll look forward to a year and a half more of RJ :lol

[therealtruth]

Dude, calm down and use your brain instead of your emotions...

I'm not mad at getting rid of RJ. Let's get that straight. But this trade is NOT a salary dump. If it was, then it would've been smarter to keep RJ and just amnesty his contract at the end of the season. RJ was traded FOR someone, and that someone has a similar salary this year and the next. SJax may or may not be eligible for that same amnesty, but if the Spurs use it, it means the trade was a failure and the Spurs lost a 1st round pick in the process. To further the risk, I understand there's some rule that means SJax, who's reported as injured, must play on the team in a few days to be eligible to play in the playoffs?

Regardless of that, this trade is about making a run for the title. And while I feel as if SJax is a MUCH better fit in the Spurs scheme, there's a REASON why he wasn't resigned by the Spurs in 03 (he was vocally bitter about it as well).

Let's just hope Jax has matured. If I recall, an immature Pao Gasol was upset last year about a rumor surrounding his gf. Lamar Odom is a mess in Dallas. Some guys are just not right chemisty-wise. I'm not sayin SJax is not - as I really hope he is. I'm just mentioning we need to be cautious.

I do hope and pray Pop has got this one...

SJax's contract is easier to trade than RJ.

[Drachen]

WoooHooo.


I made a difference today!

Edit: Eh, that was in response to Will_spurs's post about the number 3

[Chomag]

How soon do you guys think he will have Bonner shitting his pants in the lockerroom?

[lowdown]

This trade is awesome for 2 reasons:
1) When Jax takes a three, you feel that it's gonna go in as oppose to RJ in which you pray that it'll make it.

2) Jax's contract will be a useful trade asset to all those teams that desire to get into the Chris Paul, Dwight Howard sweepstakes that will happen for 2013.

[slick'81]

to get rid of rj spurs would have to throw in a 1st im not pissed jax >rj with a #1 anyday

[siraulo23]

holy fucking shitttttttttttttttttttt

[all_heart]

How soon do you guys think he will have Bonner shitting his pants in the lockerroom?

If we are lucky, Jax may convince him he needs to slap a mofo every now and then.:lol

[Obstructed_View]

Still not worth re-signing RJ, but this goes a long way to make up for it if Jack still has the clutch gene.

[coyotes_geek]

1) When Jax takes a three, you feel that it's gonna go in as oppose to RJ in which you pray that it'll make it.

You haven't been watching Jax take threes lately........

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

When is the deadline exactly?

[HarlemHeat37]

This trade is awesome for 2 reasons:
1) When Jax takes a three, you feel that it's gonna go in as oppose to RJ in which you pray that it'll make it.

2) Jax's contract will be a useful trade asset to all those teams that desire to get into the Chris Paul, Dwight Howard sweepstakes that will happen for 2013.

#1 is absolutely false..Jefferson is actually a solid 3-point shooter, while Jackson is streaky, at best(putting it nicely)..

#2 is a good point..

The pros of acquiring Jackson, from a basketball perspective: much better defender, handles pressure well, adds toughness and swag to a team that desperately needs it, and he's an underrated passer..

As a scorer, he's inferior to RJ, as bad as that sounds..

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

How soon do you guys think he will have Bonner shitting his pants in the lockerroom?

Don't bring a sandwich to a gun fight...

[DAF86]

I want to go on record saying that I think S-Jax will suck and may not even be a rotation guy come playoffs time.

Needless to say, I hope I'm wrong.

[bigfan]

Ill add my dos centavos and say welcome back Capt Jack. Hes older, maybe hes lost a step but he is some positive attitude and its not like hes totally gone. Re Jefferson, seems like a nice guy but he just never had it here, good luck to him and his long expensive contract in Golden State.

[slick'81]

all i know is jax isnt a big fckn pussy who will melt down in crunch time. what a move for our spurs :downspin:


Yes jax is older(got some hamstring issues) and yuck on his fg% but hes what the spurs need-attitude,toughness and the willingness to take and make the big shot

[Buddy Holly]

I want to go on record saying that I think S-Jax will suck and may not even be a rotation guy come playoffs time.

Needless to say, I hope I'm wrong.

I think you're incredibly wrong.

[will_spurs]

When is the deadline exactly?

If you're talking about the trade deadline, it was 2 hours ago.

If you're talking about the deadline for a player to be active with a team to be eligible for the playoffs, I think it's a week or so from now, but not 100% sure.

[will_spurs]

I think you're incredibly wrong.

Do you want to go on record about that? :lol

[timvp]

Stephen Jackson's stats:

2003
Points per 36 mins: 15.1
TS%: .526
RB%: 7.4%
AST%: 14.1%
TOV%: 16.4%

2011
Points per 36 mins: 18.6
TS%: .520
RB%: 7.7%
AST%: 18.1%
TOV%: 14.9%


So if Jackson can even revert to his form from last season, he's basically what he was in 2003. His points per minute will come down in San Antonio, which will help his true shooting percentage a little bit. He's a slightly better rebounder these days and a much better playmaker.

Here are SJax's numbers from the 2003 playoffs:

Points per 36 mins: 13.6
TS%: .529
RB%: 6.6%
AST%: 14.1%
TOV%: 19.0%

It's really not a high bar when hoping SJax can regain his 2003 form. He could regress a little bit from last year and still be in the ballpark.

And on top of that, it's possible he can bring intangibles like toughness and confidence to the table that RJ would never bring.

[DAF86]

I think you're incredibly wrong.

Hope that's the case but I'm usually right when I have these feelings.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

If you're talking about the trade deadline, it was 2 hours ago.

If you're talking about the deadline for a player to be active with a team to be eligible for the playoffs, I think it's a week or so from now, but not 100% sure.

Yeah, I was talking about the trade deadline.

So, if Kaman or Diaw were to get bought out,
when is that projected to happen?

I want to see the Spurs pick up a big.

[Obstructed_View]

...and defense, and timely shooting.

[timvp]

As a scorer, he's inferior to RJ, as bad as that sounds..SJax is a much better scorer when you're talking about straight up points. These days, RJ can't create anything for himself while Jack still can.

Now if you're talking about shooting, then yeah RJ is a better shooter.

[DAF86]

Stephen Jackson's stats:

2003
Points per 36 mins: 15.1
TS%: .526
RB%: 7.4%
AST%: 14.1%
TOV%: 16.4%

2011
Points per 36 mins: 18.6
TS%: .520
RB%: 7.7%
AST%: 18.1%
TOV%: 14.9%


So if Jackson can even revert to his form from last season, he's basically what he was in 2003. His points per minute will come down in San Antonio, which will help his true shooting percentage a little bit. He's a slightly better rebounder these days and a much better playmaker.

Here are SJax's numbers from the 2003 playoffs:

Points per 36 mins: 13.6
TS%: .529
RB%: 6.6%
AST%: 14.1%
TOV%: 19.0%

It's really not a high bar when hoping SJax can regain his 2003 form. He could regress a little bit from last year and still be in the ballpark.

And on top of that, it's possible he can bring intangibles like toughness and confidence to the table that RJ would never bring.

I just hope he hits his threes at a respectable rate kinda like RJ was doing.

[Kori Ellis]

Mike Brown was the guy that kept Pop and SJ from killing each other. I wonder who will fill that role now...

Actually Timmy and Malik are really the ones who did that, and it wasn't long before Jack bought into Pop's way of thinking anyway.

[timvp]

I want to go on record saying that I think S-Jax will suck and may not even be a rotation guy come playoffs time.

I think there's a decent chance that happens. Maybe as high as like 40%. But even then, the financial considerations of this trade make it worth it. And on top of that, opening minutes for Kawhi and losing RJ makes it even more worth it.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I just hope he hits his threes at a respectable rate kinda like RJ was doing.

Considering SJax has never even got close to this year's RJ 3 point % in his career, these are some lofty expectations.

[slick'81]

we got rid of rj and that contract wtf r people complaining about ?!?

we could me minus rj with no jax and be better off

[SenorSpur]

In the postgame following the victory over the Magic, Pop mentioned how much he likes going with both RJ and Khawi at the same time to create a more versatile lineup. Imagine how much better that lineup will be with Jax and Khawi, seeing as how JAx is a superior defender to RJ?

So now who starts? Khawi or Jax?

[coyotes_geek]

I just hope he hits his threes at a respectable rate kinda like RJ was doing.

Doubtful. Low 30%'s is the best you can hope for. So far this year he's in the high 20%'s.

[Spursfan092120]

I think there's a decent chance that happens. Maybe as high as like 40%. But even then, the financial considerations of this trade make it worth it. And on top of that, opening minutes for Kawhi and losing RJ makes it even more worth it.

This...great deal no matter what. But I think Jax will be beneficial to this team.

[Obstructed_View]

If the Spurs trade RJ for Jack on the same day Syracuse gets bounced I might celebrate it as a holiday every year.

[will_spurs]

So, if Kaman or Diaw were to get bought out, when is that projected to happen?

Within next week. I don't expect a contender to go hard after a player that can't play in the playoffs, and I don't expect a player to accept a buyout (= losing money) if he can't sign with a contender.

[bigfan]

Thing about SJ is he is just as likely to punch you in the mouth as RJ is to fade into oblivion. Welcome back SJ!!!

[Libri]

I just hope he hits his threes at a respectable rate kinda like RJ was doing.

So that is what his role will be, 3-point shooter?

[timvp]

I just hope he hits his threes at a respectable rate kinda like RJ was doing.

No way that happens, tbh. RJ had morphed into one of the best three-point shooters in the NBA. SJax will be doing well if he's shooting 34-35% on threes. The difference is that SJax is more well-rounded on the offensive end and actually looks forward to shooting pressure threes. RJ's first instinct in pressure situation was to pass.

SJax is going to miss a whole lot of threes. That's just he does. But there's hope that he'll knock down a few huge shots when it counts.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

This board is going to have Meltdown of the Decade when Jackson misses a buzzer beater and we lose a game by one basket

[ThaBigFundamental21]

So we screwed up our cap for next season, when we could have actually had money to sign a Center. Gave away our first round pick in a deep draft. Got older today. And got even older for next year. And have no way of reloading with youth next year. And oh yeah, Stephen Jackson is hurt and shooting 35% this year. At least with Jefferson we could have amnestied his ass. FUCK!

[Drachen]

Ok. Sign him up, HEB.

[Bill_Brasky]

I want to go on record saying that I think S-Jax will suck and may not even be a rotation guy come playoffs time.

Needless to say, I hope I'm wrong.

Were you not watching when Jax effortlessly dropped 34/8 on us earlier this year? The guy is still incredibly effective when he wants to be.

[Trill Clinton]

I wonder if RJ is going to thank the Spurs fans for their support during his tenure here

[Thomas82]

I'm wondering since we gave up our 1st round pick in the draft, if we might be secretly targeting a player again this year, and put together a package to give a team for picking that player for us on draft day. Either that, or the Spurs don't value their first round pick this year. I want to believe the front office might have something up their sleeves for the draft.

[DAF86]

I think there's a decent chance that happens. Maybe as high as like 40%. But even then, the financial considerations of this trade make it worth it. And on top of that, opening minutes for Kawhi and losing RJ makes it even more worth it.

I understand that but the fan in me wants to make the best out of this season. I like Kawhi getting more minutes but if S-Jax doesn't produce, with Ford gone and Green sucking we suddenly lost a whole lot of depth, not to mention the catastrophe that would be another Manu injury (knock on wood).

[Spursfan092120]

So we screwed up our cap for next season, when we could have actually had money to sign a Center. Gave away our first round pick in a deep draft. Got older today. And got even older for next year. And have no way of reloading with youth next year. And oh yeah, Stephen Jackson is hurt and shooting 35% this year. At least with Jefferson we could have amnestied his ass. FUCK!

And if we get Kaman?

[DAF86]

Were you not watching when Jax effortlessly dropped 34/8 on us earlier this year? The guy is still incredibly effective when he wants to be.

Weren't you watching the other 25 games he played?

[oligarchy]

Stephen Jackson's stats:

2003
Points per 36 mins: 15.1
TS%: .526
RB%: 7.4%
AST%: 14.1%
TOV%: 16.4%

2011
Points per 36 mins: 18.6
TS%: .520
RB%: 7.7%
AST%: 18.1%
TOV%: 14.9%


So if Jackson can even revert to his form from last season, he's basically what he was in 2003. His points per minute will come down in San Antonio, which will help his true shooting percentage a little bit. He's a slightly better rebounder these days and a much better playmaker.

Here are SJax's numbers from the 2003 playoffs:

Points per 36 mins: 13.6
TS%: .529
RB%: 6.6%
AST%: 14.1%
TOV%: 19.0%

It's really not a high bar when hoping SJax can regain his 2003 form. He could regress a little bit from last year and still be in the ballpark.

And on top of that, it's possible he can bring intangibles like toughness and confidence to the table that RJ would never bring.

Compared to Jefferson:

2010-11 Playoffs
Points per 36 mins: 8
TS%: .544
RB%: 8.3%
AST%: 4.6%
TOV%: 14.3%

2011-12
Points per 36 mins: 11.7
TS%: .556
RB%: 7.1%
AST%: 7%
TOV%: 8.6%

[timvp]

Hollinger on the trade:


Golden State: D+

Golden State gets the better player in Jefferson, and he may help them with their playoff run. But wait, aren't they trying to tank? Wasn't that half the reason for the Monta Ellis trade? My brain hurts.

At any rate, this is a bad trade for completely different reasons -- Jefferson has one more year left than Jackson, one in which he makes $11 million. Having already taken themselves out of the free-agent race in 2012 with the original trade for Jackson two days ago, the Warriors now have punted on 2013 by taking on Jefferson; add an extension in the $10 million range for Stephen Curry and they're capped out with Curry, Jefferson, David Lee, Andris Biedrins and Andrew Bogut, and they've already used their amnesty.

By 2013-14 the Warriors are likely to be swashbuckling with the luxury tax, and that will be a much more punitive monster that season than it is now. All this might make sense if they were locking in a championship contender, but they've basically committed long-term to a fairly uninspiring nucleus. The absolute best-case scenario is that they're the West Coast Atlanta Hawks.

They also got a first-rounder from San Antonio, but it will be a very late one in all likelihood. Plus, nobody pays $11 million for first-round picks. Well, except Cleveland, I guess.


San Antonio: B

It's an odd trade for a team in the championship race to make, since Jefferson-for-Jacko is a slight downgrade at this point in their respective careers. But the long-term savings were simply too good to pass up; San Antonio now has massive cap flexibility in the summer of 2013.

Additionally, one can argue it made a potentially difficult move much easier. The Spurs were likely going to have to bench Jefferson, who has started all 41 games but has by far the worst PER of San Antonio's 10 rotation players. With Kawhi Leonard playing well and Manu Ginobili likely to return soon, they sidestep a potentially sticky problem and can bring Jackson off the bench in a more limited role.


$11 million for a late first rounder. GG, GSW :lmao

Unless you watch the Spurs every game, you don't really understand how much RJ was hurting the team. Yeah he'll put up better stats than SJax most likely but RJ was choking the life out of this team. He desperately needed to be benched a la 2003 Steve Smith. As Hollinger pointed out, that would have been an odd dynamic. So trading him away was probably the best solution.

And on top of that, the Spurs get Stephen Jackson.

Got damn, what a great trade.