Now Official: Spurs Trade RJ for Stephen Jackson

[therealtruth]

Or, they could pay and keep Splitter.

Splitter is not enough. The Spurs need to replace Bonner/Blair.

[BackHome]

Wish we could have traded places for our second rounder...OH well...:depressed Maybe we can trade Anderson for a high second round pick?:lol

[kjhip1]

it'd be crazy if by 2015 we completely fell off and owned the #1 pick to a franchise big man only to send it to Golden State..of course i'm sure there will be spurs fans talking about how dumb we were to give away an unprotected pick for stephen jackson...

[Spurtacus]

Financially a good deal for the Spurs. Jax is an obvious upgrade over Jefferson talent wise. What I'm worried about is his injuries. Out for a month this year and he had trouble staying healthy last year. Also worried about team chemistry. 2012 Spurs are different then the 2003 Spurs. Tony was inconsistent, Manu was a rookie. Jax needs to understand he's the 4th scoring option on this team now. No chucker mode.

Also don't like giving up a 2012 first round pick. I wish we threw in Anderson and a 2nd round pick instead.

[jestersmash]

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=7693146

Trade deadline winners, losers
Good news for Jefferson, Wallace, Sessions, Batum; bad news for Camby, Foye
Updated: March 15, 2012, 9:16 PM ET
By John Cregan | Special to ESPN.com

Big Winners
Stephen Jackson, SG/SF, San Antonio Spurs: I get all misty-eyed even typing this: Jackson continues his trip down Teams-I-Talked-My-Way-Out-Of-Town-With Lane, landing ultimately on his second NBA squad. With Jackson, the key is his mental well-being, which is why I love this deal for him and his owners. Why? Because he'll be content on a winning veteran club in dire need of some 20-ppg scoring punch, and he'll be playing for a coach who can handle his ups and downs.

Jackson is an underrated fantasy player because of his bad rep and streakiness, but I get the feeling he's about to be on the upswing.

Another terrible take by ESPN. Spurs are in dire need of a 20 PPG player? Seriously?

:lmao

Nobody expects Stephen Jackson to score 20/game. We weren't in "dire need" of extra offense on this club. I'm surprised that ESPN doesn't recognize the Spurs as one of the better offensive (team offense) clubs in the league.

I expect Kawhi's minutes to increase, and anything SJax adds (on offense especially) is a bonus.

You could reasonably argue that Stephen Jackson is somewhat of a downgrade to R.J. right now, but it doesn't matter. R.J.'s role as a spot up 3 point shooter can be easily imitated by the likes of Kawhi Leonard (and Kawhi brings a host of extra goodies on offense and mostly defense), and we've dumped R.J.'s venomous player option

[NASpurs]

Jax is an obvious upgrade over Jefferson talent wise. What I'm worried about is his injuries.

Yeah, I think a lot of his injuries were "injuries" instead of actual injuries if you get what I'm saying. Dude didn't want to play for the crap teams he was sent to.

[therealtruth]

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=7693146

Trade deadline winners, losers
Good news for Jefferson, Wallace, Sessions, Batum; bad news for Camby, Foye
Updated: March 15, 2012, 9:16 PM ET
By John Cregan | Special to ESPN.com

Big Winners
Stephen Jackson, SG/SF, San Antonio Spurs: I get all misty-eyed even typing this: Jackson continues his trip down Teams-I-Talked-My-Way-Out-Of-Town-With Lane, landing ultimately on his second NBA squad. With Jackson, the key is his mental well-being, which is why I love this deal for him and his owners. Why? Because he'll be content on a winning veteran club in dire need of some 20-ppg scoring punch, and he'll be playing for a coach who can handle his ups and downs.

Jackson is an underrated fantasy player because of his bad rep and streakiness, but I get the feeling he's about to be on the upswing.

The guy has no clue what he's talking about. RJ's not starting in GS with Dorrell Wright. The Spurs just scored 120 the other night. Their not in dire need of 20ppg.

[therealtruth]

it'd be crazy if by 2015 we completely fell off and owned the #1 pick to a franchise big man only to send it to Golden State..of course i'm sure there will be spurs fans talking about how dumb we were to give away an unprotected pick for stephen jackson...

It would have been nice to give them J. Anderson.

[Redshadows]

Details of the protection on the first round pick Spurs send:
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
2012: top 14 protected
2013: top 14 protected
2014: top 14 protected
2015: unprotected
Damn, they may get the Spurs' 2015 #1 pick ! ! !

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Splitter is not enough. The Spurs need to replace Bonner/Blair.

Keeping him was an open question with three other big contracts and either Jack or other money taken back on the books. That question had been answered.

[ace3g]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Feels good to breathe this Texas air. Glad to be home.

9:18 PM

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Feels good to breathe this Texas air

Always. Welcome home, Cap'n Jack! :toast

[Obstructed_View]

Obviously, if between now and until Jax's contract runs out they decide to trade Jax for players with longer term deals, then that will be that.

If the Spurs are smart, they'll keep assuring him of an extension up to the day next March when they include him in a four team megatrade.

[crc21209]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Feels good to breathe this Texas air. Glad to be home.

9:18 PM

He's here! Awesome! I just got back from SA (went to yesterday's Spurs-Magic game) and was on my way to lunch when I got on ST on my phone and saw the Jax-RJ trade. SJax was my favorite Spur back in 03' after TD of course, this is like a dream!

[Supergirl]

My question is how is Jax's health? I see he's got a hamstring injury. If he's healthy this trade is a steal.

[loveforthegame]

Was hoping he'd play this weekend but makes sense to have his debut on Wednesday. Happy to hear he's ready to play.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Amazing news! It's about time we dumped Jefferson's ass! Incredibly inconsistent player, especially come play-off time. I'll take Jackson any day over RJ.

[Obstructed_View]

The guy has no clue what he's talking about. RJ's not starting in GS with Dorrell Wright. The Spurs just scored 120 the other night. Their not in dire need of 20ppg.

Glenn Robinson was a 20ppg guy who didn't score 20ppg with the Spurs. What he did do is hit buckets when the Spurs were having trouble getting a basket. A guy who can score can score when you really need it. That's a big plus.

[Brazil]

too many hopes putting on jax tbh... it seems a lot of people didn't see him play in a long time...

It's an upgrade compared to RJ but Jax is no more 2003 jax

[stephen jackson]

:)
glad to be back

[DPG21920]

too many hopes putting on jax tbh... it seems a lot of people didn't see him play in a long time...

It's an upgrade compared to RJ but Jax is no more 2003 jax

I think people are underestimating what Jax can do for the Spurs. One of the hardest things to do is evaluate somewhat older players on bad teams. It's really hard to tell a player that is done physically from one that is unmotivated.

He doesn't address the biggest need (help upfront), but he changes the culture and adds a much needed dimension to the starting line up (I'm of the opinion you start Jax immediately). He's also part of the puzzle assuming Boris gets bought out.

[Obstructed_View]

too many hopes putting on jax tbh... it seems a lot of people didn't see him play in a long time...


I admit it's been two months since I saw him drop 34 on the Spurs. It seems a lot of people have been looking at his stats on NBA.COM instead of noticing what he did before his attitude soured.

[benefactor]

dzOHq5WbQ8k

[ace3g]

Another positive from the trade: Spurs increase their quota on arm sleeves, wrist/arm bands, and headbands.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Even if the Spurs amnestied RJ, they still had to pay him the money due (it just wouldn't have counted against the cap). After this year, Jackson is due $10 million, while RJ is due $21.1 million.

That's a $11.1 million savings for a late first round pick. If Jackson never even comes to San Antonio, this is a GREAT trade. If Jackson does anything as a Spur, it's gravy.

According to reports, you're a little off but your premise. SJax is on contract for this year and the next while RJ was on for the next 3. In the long run, the Spurs do save $ but again, I don't think that's all that this was about. Kawhi Leonard was the 16th pick overall and will get about $8 million. Giving up that 1st round pick means the Spurs also forfeit an opportunity to move up into the late lottery early playoff team trade spots for other players. And this years draft is supposed to be fairly stout.

RJ clearly wasn't working. He hadn't been and wasn't going to no matter how hard he or Pop tried. He's not a bad player, just the WRONG player.

SJax is an attempt at making a go w/ a player - although older - who could be right.

[Spurs da champs]

According to reports, you're a little off but your premise. SJax is on contract for this year and the next while RJ was on for the next 3. In the long run, the Spurs do save $ but again, I don't think that's all that this was about. Kawhi Leonard was the 16th pick overall and will get about $8 million. Giving up that 1st round pick means the Spurs also forfeit an opportunity to move up into the late lottery early playoff team trade spots for other players. And this years draft is supposed to be fairly stout.

RJ clearly wasn't working. He hadn't been and wasn't going to no matter how hard he or Pop tried. He's not a bad player, just the WRONG player.

SJax is an attempt at making a go w/ a player - although older - who could be right.

I agree it seems like R.C & Pop just looked at the box scores/stats for RJ rather then thinking if he'd fit into the system.

[timvp]

Found this quote from when Jackson thought he was going to the Warriors.

“I’m going to play this year out,” Jackson said. “If they want me for the future, we can talk about an extension this summer.
It looks like he has dropped his request for an extension. That's good news :tu

[DesignatedT]

I'm certain the Spurs told him something similar as well. Play this year out and we'll talk about it this summer.

[timvp]

Other SJax quotes from this season:

"I've never been in any trouble in my life until I got to the NBA," Jackson said. "I'm an assassin on the court, but at home I'm a nun. I can see why people would see me in the wrong light."




"I need to know where I'm starting at because that's how I approach my weight," Jackson said. "If I play 2-guard I'll probably come in at 215 (pounds), like I am now. If I'm playing the 3, I'll probably come back at 230, a little bulkier. I'll talk to coach and figure out where they want me."




"Winning now is important to me, and this is a great place to win now. I know what it takes to get to the playoffs, and I think definitely we'll be there come the end of the season."





When asked if he has a future in Milwaukee, Jackson shook his head. "Not at all,” Jackson said. “It's obvious, you can see that. I'm just waiting until my situation is different. I'm coming to work every day and keeping myself prepared so that when my situation does get better, I'm ready to go."





"I would love to [play in Orlando],” Jackson said. “Dwight has said a couple of times that he wants me to be with him. When you get a compliment like that from a big man like Dwight, it means a lot. Tim Duncan always steps up for me and says I'm the ultimate teammate too. When I have guys like that speaking up for me, I must have been doing something right throughout my whole career. I know my situation is going to get better eventually and I'm just going to keep being professional and keep my mouth closed."

[gospursgojas]

keeping myself prepared so that when my situation does get better, I'm ready to go

:tu

[phyzik]

I hope Captain Jack has a chip on his shoulder and feels he has something to prove. The dude's got steel below the belt, hopefully he has it on full display the rest of the season.

[DPG21920]

This trade makes me feel like I can whoop some a** on the court :lol

Can't imagine how the Big Tres feel.

[Whisky Dog]

What does RJ have below the belt?

Some Dude's lips...

[Obstructed_View]

Assassin on the court, nun at home, assaulter in the bleachers and shootist at the strip club.

[alamo50]

Buckets!!!

[therealtruth]

I agree it seems like R.C & Pop just looked at the box scores/stats for RJ rather then thinking if he'd fit into the system.

I think they though they could change him into a Bruce Bowen with better offense. There was talk about being able to post him up.

[hater]

:lol thinking this trade was mostly about $. Spurs office was pissed off at Dick Jefferson. Dude didn't learn anything in 3 years and didn't seem to give a shit either.

[blkroadrunners]

Stephen Jackson ‏@DaTrillStak5

@GregSimmonsKSAT (http://twitter.com/GregSimmonsKSAT) I'm heathy. Whenever Pop says the word I will b ready.

[urunobili]

can we get back the tweeter feed just from the Spurs players on the side of the Spurs forum :stirpot:

[Agloco]

Stephen Jackson ‏@DaTrillStak5

@GregSimmonsKSAT (http://twitter.com/GregSimmonsKSAT) I'm heathy. Whenever Pop says the word I will b ready.


All of a sudden he's healthy :hat

I hope he comes in with the correct mindset.

[TDMVPDPOY]

All of a sudden he's healthy :hat

I hope he comes in with the correct mindset.

certainly he was ready all year man, bucks wasted him cause they were thinkin either to tank or not, now they have blown up their roster so we know what they are doing

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Bucks are most certainly not tanking at all. On the contrary - they're pushing for the 8th seed with their moves.

[Solid D]

:lol thinking this trade was mostly about $. Spurs office was pissed off at Dick Jefferson. Dude didn't learn anything in 3 years...

To be fair, RJ did learn how to improve his regular season perimeter shooting %. He was asked to focus on it and he did so. His percentages bear that out. I cheer this trade but RJ does get credit for learning something.

[Stalin]

anyone crying about this trade, needs to kill himself immediatelly

[Solid D]

Since RJ was the 2nd highest minutes eater due to his ability to play the 4, the team will need to settle on the most efficient distribution of minutes for Jack, Kawhi, Danny, Tiago and Matt. Nobody knows, but Pop, how this will play out. Probably not even Pop at this point.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Since RJ was the 2nd highest minutes eater due to his ability to play the 4, the team will need to settle on the most efficient distribution of minutes for Jack, Kawhi, Danny, Tiago and Matt. Nobody knows, but Pop, how this will play out. Probably not even Pop at this point.

pop will play alot of small ball which i see KL inserted

[ace3g]

couple of quotes from Timmy and TP:

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/16/duncan-jacksons-edge-just-what-spurs-need-for-playoff-push/

[Stalin]

TOSB Duncan with the goods, tbh

“He’s a little rough around the edges but that’s the kind of edge that we like and we’re going to need,” Duncan said. “That’s an aspect we’re going to want from him. Pop’s going to have to rein it in at some point and talk to him and change a couple things that he does. But all in all, that’s the kind of edge that we want from him.”

[jjktkk]

anyone crying about this trade, needs to kill himself immediatelly

I wouldn't advocate killing oneself, but repeatedly hitting oneself on the forehead with a hammer would suffice.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

Fisher to Hou for Jordan hill

:lol:lol:lol
what loyalty. classy move LA.

and seriously? that's all it took? they already have a ton of PGs, it makes me think we maybe couldve offered JA for Hill and I wouldve liked to add Hill to the squad somehow.

[Brazil]

I admit it's been two months since I saw him drop 34 on the Spurs. It seems a lot of people have been looking at his stats on NBA.COM instead of noticing what he did before his attitude soured.

I didn't say he is not capable anymore to put 34 pts on a bad D once in a while.

I'm just saying he is not 2003 jax anymore. I saw him being slow, turnover prone, taking bad shots, he still can take you out of a game by shooting like kobe in a tied fourth, his D is no more elite... Big part of that is imo linked to his lack of motivation to play for a shitty team but still we should all temper our hope.

I still think it is a good trade for the spurs because RJ simply sucks and because of the contractual obligation but it is not going to put us over the top by no means. It's my opinion and I would be glab to be wrong.

If he accepts his role as a the fourth weapon for the spurs, he will be fine if he makes it difficult to not be the first ou second option of a team we are in trouble. Everything seems to agree he is now a nice guy that will accept his role and will make big shots in POs, we will see

[bklynspursfan]

JA Adande thinks this is a bad move cause RJ doesnt get injured and the Spurs have injury problems. lmao.. Does he not know RJ is as good as injured in the playoffs?

[cheguevara]

I thought RJ not getting injured was actually bad for us

[2Cleva]

Great move for the Spurs. Haven't read posts but I assume everyone is fired up. If not they should be.

Spurs got one more fight in them.

[Obstructed_View]

I didn't say he is not capable anymore to put 34 pts on a bad D once in a while.

True. For some perspective, the last time RJ scored 34 was when he was in Milwaukee. And it has nothing to to with shot attempts; Jack put up 34 on 17 shots. People act like he's suddenly over the hill. He's not; he's just a malcontent. :lol


I'm just saying he is not 2003 jax anymore. I saw him being slow, turnover prone, taking bad shots, he still can take you out of a game by shooting like kobe in a tied fourth, his D is no more elite...
But you just described 2003 Jack. He could be turnover prone, take bad shots and shoot you out of a game back then too. Those of us that know him are well aware of the risks; they were there before. The upside is that he can shoot you back into games the same way and that he can play defense. Again, he also is an order of magnitude more likely to actually show up for the playoffs, which makes him an upgrade. We're probably in agreement in hoping that his travels around the league have taught him some lessons that will be valuable to the team.


Big part of that is imo linked to his lack of motivation to play for a shitty team but still we should all temper our hope.

I still think it is a good trade for the spurs because RJ simply sucks and because of the contractual obligation but it is not going to put us over the top by no means. It's my opinion and I would be glab to be wrong.

If he accepts his role as a the fourth weapon for the spurs, he will be fine if he makes it difficult to not be the first ou second option of a team we are in trouble. Everything seems to agree he is now a nice guy that will accept his role and will make big shots in POs, we will see

Well said. I agree completely with all the above and share in your hope, though I'm entering into it a tad more optimistic.

[timvp]

I had forgotten about this but SJax wanted to return to the Spurs just about as soon as he left:


Jackson played for the San Antonio Spurs in 2003 when they won the championship title. After playing for the Atlanta Hawks this year he is a free agent and his team is not yet decided.

"Hopefully be back in San Antonio," he said of next season's plans.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35411&postcount=1

[Mel_13]

Reading around, apparently folks haven't caught on to awfulness of GSTs Jefferson trade. You can get the #26 pick without committing $11 mil

http://twitter.com/#!/johnhollinger

Incredibly good fortune for the Spurs, their fans, and SJax that he was traded to perhaps the only FO dumb enough to make an RJ plus late first rounder for SJax swap.

[Obstructed_View]

Reading around, apparently folks haven't caught on to awfulness of GSTs Jefferson trade. You can get the #26 pick without committing $11 mil

http://twitter.com/#!/johnhollinger

Incredibly good fortune for the Spurs, their fans, and SJax that he was traded to perhaps the only FO dumb enough to make an RJ plus late first rounder for SJax swap.

We can thank all those analysts in the nationally televised Spurs games for heaping praise onto RJ because they never bothered to check anything aside from his season stats.

[DesignatedT]

Or Pop continuing to put RJ in a position to succeed as much as possible. Pop throws RJ on the bench like everyone has been harping for the last 2 years and this trade never happens.

[ace3g]

hmm was checking the boxscores for the games RJ didn't play (2) check the results...

Jan. 18, 2010 vs Hornets: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AoXK3wRny7aXZls8X8.43GeVPKB4?gid=201 0011803

Mar. 11, 2011 vs Kings: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Avgjy8fdelgHu1ByRIeFYmWVPKB4?gid=201 1031124

[timvp]

Reading around, apparently folks haven't caught on to awfulness of GSTs Jefferson trade. You can get the #26 pick without committing $11 mil

http://twitter.com/#!/johnhollinger

Yeah, it truly is a shockingly bad trade for the Warriors. The Spurs basically ran into the perfect storm: a new ownership group with a lot of money who wants to prove to their fans that they aren't afraid to spend that money. But on the finances alone, there's no way the trade makes sense from the Warriors view.

Eventually, the new Warriors owners will learn that there's nothing as harmful as dead money on your books. Even Pop and the Spurs had to learn the hard way with Charles Smith I.

Speaking of Charles Smith, he was the third highest paid player on the 1999 championship team ... even though he hadn't played in two years. He made more money that season than Duncan did :lol

[Brutalis]

It still hurts from when he left. Dallas fans were happy as hell. I wish we had him longer in his prime though, he would have meant another title at least for the Spurs.

[T Park]

It still hurts from when he left. Dallas fans were happy as hell. I wish we had him longer in his prime though, he would have meant another title at least for the Spurs.


No doubt in my mind had he resigned they would have 2 more rings minimum.

[ace3g]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Headed to Dallas

--
check out his new twitter avatar

[timvp]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Headed to Dallas

--
check out his new twitter avatar

Nice. Sounds like he passed his physical :tu



(Although the trade was so good, the Spurs probably still do the deal even if he had failed it, tbh.)

[DPG21920]

Ya :lol There is no freaking way the Spurs care enough about winning to pass that financial savings up.

Jax debut in D-Town :wow Please, please, please let that happen

[benefactor]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Headed to Dallas

--
check out his new twitter avatar
So much win.

[T Park]

What I wouldn't give for him to have the headband on, arm bands, and bust a couple transition 3's on Kidd....

Damn I missed this guy...


I do remember TIMVP laughing at my fandom after reminding me I wasn't on the Jackson bandwagon to begin with :)

[NASpurs]

Does SJax still remember how to run the "4 Down" play from back in the day? :lol

[TJastal]

Nice. Sounds like he passed his physical :tu



(Although the trade was so good, the Spurs probably still do the deal even if he had failed it, tbh.)

12 million reasons tbh.

[T Park]

Does SJax still remember how to run the "4 Down" play from back in the day? :lol

Ran it well in game 6 vs Dallas :)

[bbarry]

how is this thread the 35th most viewed thread of all time on this board? over 40k views in about a day...

[ace3g]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Yes playing tommorow guys. So excited.

[jeebus]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5


Yes playing tommorow guys. So excited.



Fuck yes

[DesignatedT]

Sjax is going to keep throwing the ball into Duncan every time down the court. Timmy is going to love him haha

[DPG21920]

That makes this trade 10x better.

lol Mavs. lol time to get wild. lol go time.

[NASpurs]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Yes playing tommorow guys. So excited.

It's only fitting that it's going to be against Dallas. :wow

[Obstructed_View]

how is this thread the 35th most viewed thread of all time on this board? over 40k views in about a day...

I've accounted for at least 200 of those views. I keep clicking on it to make sure it's not a dream.

[T Park]

Stephen Jackson ‏ @DaTrillStak5

Yes playing tommorow guys. So excited.

Perfect time to debut too.

Pop will want to rest Manu most likely, and he'll tell stephen heres 20 mins, earn em for next wednesday.

[DPG21920]

Damn, that is so sick that his debut is against the Mavs.

[T Park]

Damn, that is so sick that his debut is against the Mavs.

The hatred grows deeper from their side :lol

[dunkman]

Losing the first rounder was steep, the next draft is deep. However, RJ was already useless before the playoffs. S-Jax is a big improvement, even when S-Jax commits 2-3 costly TO's every game, he's not afraid to shoot.

Despite lacking an draft pick, the Spurs could find the players they need from the amnesty victims. Hopefully they will be able to add an PG and another big.

[DPG21920]

Man, I hope the Mavs don't sh*t on the Spurs tomorrow :lol.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Damn, that is so sick that his debut is against the Mavs.

No joke! How fitting!

[shyne]

Obviously we need a big for this season (Diaw).

We need big as in tall not big as in fat.

[T Park]

Losing the first rounder was steep, the next draft is deep. However, RJ was already useless before the playoffs. S-Jax is a big improvement, even when S-Jax commits 2-3 costly TO's every game, he's not afraid to shoot.

Despite lacking an draft pick, the Spurs could find the players they need from the amnesty victims. Hopefully they will be able to add an PG and another big.

losing a late first rounder is not steep.

I have serious questions as well over how "deep" this draft is to begin with honestly as well.

[benefactor]

Buckets comes back and debuts against the Mavs?

I don't even give a shit that Mizzou just destroyed my bracket.

[ace3g]

Plus Diaw is 2 inches taller, more range on his jumper;

see how much time SJAX gets to defend Dirk tomorrow, good early test for him defensively.

[Texas_Ranger]

http://c0014229.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b820466

[ace3g]

http://c0014229.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b820466

Thanks for posting, what news channel showed that?

[Texas_Ranger]

no news channel, its from twiter.

[crc21209]

Fucking awesome. I can't wait for tomorrow now!

[crc21209]

Anyone know if Jax was interviewed by the local media?

[ace3g]

no news channel, its from twiter.

who on twitter posted it?

[Texas_Ranger]

who on twitter posted it?

this girl

http://twitter.com/#!/Renata4Real

I would guess she's his wife or girlfriend... this pic also from her

http://c0014224.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b7d5347

[loveforthegame]

So excited that he'll play tomorrow. Like I wasn't pumped up for the game already but this certainly kicked it up a few notches.

[ace3g]

yeah and looks like the Spurs know how to welcome player's family, another from her twitter:

http://c0014224.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b7e9c21

[mystargtr34]

Man im getting nostalgia big time.. this wont feel 100% real until i see Jax on the court with Timmy Tony and Manu.

[Mel_13]

Jason Terry:

They wanted to get Jefferson out of there and if you can get Stephen Jackson for Richard Jefferson I would have done it, too. And he’s a Wildcat, but that’s just a no-brainer.”

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/17/mavs-terry-jefferson-for-jackson-was-no-brainer-for-spurs/

:lol

[TD 21]

Like the vast majority, I'm on board with this trade. I don't know how much Jackson has left or if he can fit in and not ruffle feathers (this isn't '03; he's made a lot of money now, been thought of as a star caliber player on various teams and the bad habits he had have only gotten significantly worse), but I'd much rather find out than see Jefferson do what he was inevitably going to do and that was go fetal in hostile environments in the playoffs. They just weren't going to win a championship with him eating up roughly 30 mpg and as much as I was for going to Leonard/Green at the three, that was a long shot. With Jackson, at least you know you're getting a guy who's not afraid of the moment and a guy who brings some much needed swagger and irrational confidence, things this team desperately needs. Hopefully this goes a long way towards changing the perceptions of them.

[SenorSpur]

And in the worse-case scenario, if it doesn't work out (and I do believe that it will), Jack becomes an expiring contract for next season.

[Vic Petro]

Nice story on Jackson from a few years back

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3243802

[Spurs Brazil]

Warriors Waive T.J. Ford
Mar 17, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

The Golden State Warriors have waived guard T.J. Ford.

Ford, 28, was acquired on Thursday (March 15) from San Antonio, along with forward Richard Jefferson and a 2012 First Round pick, in exchange for Stephen Jackson. Earlier this week, Ford announced that he planned to take an indefinite leave of absence from basketball activities after suffering a series of neck and spine injuries during his eight-year NBA career, most recently on March 7 vs. New York, and is contemplating retirement

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219873/Warriors_Waive_TJ_Ford#ixzz1pQ9dSYKX

[timtonymanu]

Warriors Waive T.J. Ford
Mar 17, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

The Golden State Warriors have waived guard T.J. Ford.

Ford, 28, was acquired on Thursday (March 15) from San Antonio, along with forward Richard Jefferson and a 2012 First Round pick, in exchange for Stephen Jackson. Earlier this week, Ford announced that he planned to take an indefinite leave of absence from basketball activities after suffering a series of neck and spine injuries during his eight-year NBA career, most recently on March 7 vs. New York, and is contemplating retirement

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219873/Warriors_Waive_TJ_Ford#ixzz1pQ9dSYKX

Won't surprise me if he comes back as an assistant.

[Darkwaters]

Won't surprise me if he comes back as an assistant.

Ford is a great guy and all, but I don't know that his ties to the Spurs are that strong. Besides, didn't the Spurs already add another Assistant Coach spot this offseason to add another former player? How do we legitimize adding another one on top of that?

[timvp]

Won't surprise me if he comes back as an assistant.

Ford never left. He'll continue being an assistant coach / assistant GM for at least the rest of the season. Him and Sean Marks have basically been told they can do whatever they wish so they can see if they want to make a career out of it.

[ace3g]

bump,

since it was a boring trade deadline for the Spurs, time to relive a great day in Spurs history

[DrunkTXLabrat]

this is nice. hell! bump that baynes thread too. spurs didn't trade blair. let's hope they don't play him either.

[timtonymanu]

Sweet trade still. But it got Spur fans hoping for another home run this year. Didn't happen.

[Mel_13]

bump,

since it was a boring trade deadline for the Spurs, time to relive a great day in Spurs history

:lol

i remember sitting in a doctor's office trying to refresh this thread on a crappy 3G connection. Couldn't believe it was happening.

[TampaDude]

Best.

Trade.

Ever.

[Pasta Batman]

bump,

since it was a boring trade deadline for the Spurs, time to relive a great day in Spurs history

Boring is good since most teams didn't improve, although OKC got Brewer

[TrueSpursFan]

One good thing that there were no trades this season is that jack is still a spur!

[timvp]

Jack hasn't been good this season but still a great, great trade. :tu

[ace3g]

Boring is good since most teams didn't improve, although OKC got Brewer

Boring has different standards; I wasn't looking for a blockbuster trade or anything (didn't want to hurt chemistry by giving away too many pieces for someone), would have been happy with a Blair trade.

Even last year I had my mind set on Diaw as buyout option, could care less about deadline (until SJAX trade came out of left field).

[JRHernandez88]

Lol I was so hype this day. That was one of the best surprises I've had in a long timmeeee.


Stak5 spurs 4 life :cry

[Pasta Batman]

Boring has different standards; I wasn't looking for a blockbuster trade or anything (didn't want to hurt chemistry by giving away too many pieces for someone), would have been happy with a Blair trade.

Even last year I had my mind set on Diaw as buyout option, could care less about deadline (until SJAX trade came out of left field).

Hey, not boring would have been a Blair trade for a pick even if there was no other moves. I'm definitely with you on that. The sadest thing of the day for me, is no Kawhi tonight since I'm going to that game.

[lurker23]

As bad as Jack has been this year, RJ has been similar, and isn't earning minutes.

Jackson: 20.9 mpg, 6.6 ppg, 37.5 FG%, 25.9 3P%, 3.0 RPG, 1.4 APG
Jefferson: 11.7 mpg, 3.8 ppg, 42.6 FG%, 28.9 3p%, 1.6 RPG, 0.6 APG

or per 36 minutes:

Jackson: 11.4 pts, 5.1 reb, 2.4 ast
Jefferson: 11.7 pts, 4.9 reb, 1.9 ast

[Mel_13]

As bad as Jack has been this year, RJ has been similar, and isn't earning minutes.

Jackson: 20.9 mpg, 6.6 ppg, 37.5 FG%, 25.9 3P%, 3.0 RPG, 1.4 APG
Jefferson: 11.7 mpg, 3.8 ppg, 42.6 FG%, 28.9 3p%, 1.6 RPG, 0.6 APG

or per 36 minutes:

Jackson: 11.4 pts, 5.1 reb, 2.4 ast
Jefferson: 11.7 pts, 4.9 reb, 1.9 ast

And RJ still has 11M coming to him next season.

:lol @ GS spending 11M to buy the 30th pick in the draft.

[baseline bum]

God this thread freaked me out when I saw Stephen Jackson in a trade thread. Very happy to see he wasn't moved, as physical threes with size who can play good defense are huge to have when the path to a title will have to cross Durant and LeBron.

[lurker23]

And RJ still has 11M coming to him next season.

:lol @ GS spending 11M to buy the 30th pick in the draft.

While I agree that the 1st round pick / $11mil swap was a steal for the Spurs, we all know the real reason the Warriors made the trade was because they wanted NO PART of bringing Jackson back into their locker room.

[Mel_13]

While I agree that the 1st round pick / $11mil swap was a steal for the Spurs, we all know the real reason the Warriors made the trade was because they wanted NO PART of bringing Jackson back into their locker room.

Of course. They had other options than this terrible trade. Thankfully, they didn't explore them.

[lurker23]

Of course. They had other options than this terrible trade. Thankfully, they didn't explore them.

Maybe. They had less than two days to explore options, and there are very few teams who would have been interested in bringing Jack into their organization. I suppose given time, they probably could have found a multi-player trade that only left them with $3-7 million on the books for 2013-14 instead of RJ's $11mil, but I think that's about as good as they could have done.

Edit: That and they could have gotten actual basketball players out of the trade. I guess I'm starting to see your point. :lol

[spurraider21]

This is pobably my favorite thread to read over

[KenziE]

Capt Jack will be bringing it in the playoffs !!!

I'll take SJ over RJ in a playoff run allday everyday !!!

[Mel_13]

Maybe. They had less than two days to explore options, and there are very few teams who would have been interested in bringing Jack into their organization. I suppose given time, they probably could have found a multi-player trade that only left them with $3-7 million on the books for 2013-14 instead of RJ's $11mil, but I think that's about as good as they could have done.

Edit: That and they could have gotten actual basketball players out of the trade. I guess I'm starting to see your point. :lol

They could have paid him to go home for the rest of the season and tried to trade his expiring contract in the summer. If that failed, they could have simply bought him out. That worst case scenario would leave them without Festus, RJ, and an 11M obligation for next season. I'd say that's better than where they are.

Buford did great work by presenting what appeared to be a viable escape to the Warriors. Just a great trade for the Spurs.

[ThePop]

This is pobably my favorite thread to read over

I love this thread. I got excited just reading the title again.

[elemento]

How can people still discuss if it was a good move or not for SA? It was the highlight of last season.

Who cares about regular season numbers? Richard Jefferson has a vagina. And that vagina is getting 11m next season :lol

Jack was, is and will always be better than Dick Jefferson.

[NickiRasgo]

:depressed

Well atleast the good thing is we can use the money for this off-season. Spurs have to make sure that whoever they sign this off-season is worth it.

[RD2191]

bigger question if the trade happens, who starts? Kawhi or SJAX
:lmao

[RD2191]

Best.

Trade.

Ever.
:lmao

[timtonymanu]

Still loved this trade since it got rid of Jefferson and allowed Kawhi to take over.

[DPG21920]

I was so excited about this trade. I am now furious with how it ended. Jax ruined everything.

[Mugen]

Why tbh? The Spurs don't get to the Conf Finals or NBA Finals with RJ on the team.

[DPG21920]

Why tbh? The Spurs don't get to the Conf Finals or NBA Finals with RJ on the team.

Not talking about on the court. Talking about the stupid and nasty way it ended.

[HarlemHeat37]

From a toughness and defense perspective, it's a great move..Jax is mentally tough, and he's long and intelligent on the defensive end..

From an overall basketball standpoint, it's a lateral move, possibly even a downgrade..Jax has been one of the worst offensive players in the NBA, the past few seasons..he can't shoot anymore, he's no longer productive..

The hope is that Jackson was being restricted by lack of motivation, playing for shitty teams..if that's the case, it'll be an upgrade..if not, it's a lateral move..

Fortunately, the playoffs won't affect him mentally, like Jefferson..as bad as Jackson has been, it's still worth the risk, as losing RJ doesn't affect the Spurs, either way, he's usually a negative..

My expectations are low, even though he's one of my favorites..

Not anymore, tbh:(..fuck that ugly-ass, Grinch-looking nigga..

[Sean Cagney]

:depressed

Well atleast the good thing is we can use the money for this off-season. Spurs have to make sure that whoever they sign this off-season is worth it.

Yep, we went out and GOT JEFF AYRES!

[irishock]

Didn't he hit 6 threes in that elimination game vs OKC?

[Sean Cagney]

Double post.

[Sean Cagney]

Didn't he hit 6 threes in that elimination game vs OKC?
Not only that he shot over 50% from three in the playoffs and 60 overall I believe or near it, also he shot over 80% from the line! He paid off that first year in the playoffs. He also hit a huge three in game one vs the Thunder which basically sealed it, he was good his first year back in the playoffs.


He shot .535% from two, over .600 from three and .939 from FT line to be exact, not bad for 17 playoff games. RJ would not have done half that.

[TheGoldStandard]

Not only that he shot over 50% from three in the playoffs and 60 overall I believe or near it, also he shot over 80% from the line! He paid off that first year in the playoffs. He also hit a huge three in game one vs the Thunder which basically sealed it, he was good his first year back in the playoffs.

Perfect situation he came into during his first season back.. Went from playing with a shitty team to a contender, halfway thru the season and didn't have to be the focal point at all. Given his age and the fact that he admits he never really plays basketball during the summer or work on his game hurt his 2nd year stint. He had a decent run right before he hurt himself and then his personal problems which I think attributed to his attitude problem. Would have been helpful in certain spots in the playoffs last year.

[Sean Cagney]

Perfect situation he came into during his first season back.. Went from playing with a shitty team to a contender, halfway thru the season and didn't have to be the focal point at all. Given his age and the fact that he admits he never really plays basketball during the summer or work on his game hurt his 2nd year stint. He had a decent run right before he hurt himself and then his personal problems which I think attributed to his attitude problem. Would have been helpful in certain spots in the playoffs last year.
I agree, he lost his daughter didn't he? I feel that would have a huge effect on almost anyone! That and a lack of working in the offseason I agree. I agree last year in spurts he would have been helpful, namely late in game I won't mention again.

[TheGoldStandard]

I agree, he lost his daughter didn't he? I feel that would have a huge effect on almost anyone! That and a lack of working in the offseason I agree. I agree last year in spurts he would have been helpful, namely late in game I won't mention again.

Yup, first had the ankle injury because of that spill and then went on hiatus for a week or so because of the baby. It's amazing that he hung on as long as he did with his poor work ethic in the off season.

[Gagnrath]

I still like the trade. Now that Jefferson is having a resurgent year with an awful team and Jackson fell out of the league it seems questionable. However at the time it seemed great and the immediate returns were very good. The spurs finances don't seem to have been harmed by the transaction which was important and he provided a useful role for just over a seasons worth of games.

Jackson's falling out of the league have to do with his semi-lackadaisical attitude when not actually playing organized basketball. As well as his tumultuous personality and the effect some personal issues had on that. I also think that as some time has passed and after meeting with the team last year that most hard feelings are gone. Jackson/Pop interaction during pre-game in the early part of the season seemed warm and sincere.

Jefferson is also two years younger and honestly simply takes better care of his body. Would it be a smart trade for a team that had rights to Jefferson today? No but the conditions at the time made it a good transaction and comparing the two players production until the play-offs last year (I know that Jackson was waived just before the end of the season/start of the play-offs) Jackson comes out as a very comparable player.

[dunkman]

It's clear now that the Spurs started winning games because of Diaw, not Jack, tbh. RJ was the better player, at least serviceable. Jack was completely done at that point. However the Spurs saved a ton of money.

[exstatic]

I still like the trade. Now that Jefferson is having a resurgent year with an awful team and Jackson fell out of the league it seems questionable. However at the time it seemed great and the immediate returns were very good. The spurs finances don't seem to have been harmed by the transaction which was important and he provided a useful role for just over a seasons worth of games.

Jackson's falling out of the league have to do with his semi-lackadaisical attitude when not actually playing organized basketball. As well as his tumultuous personality and the effect some personal issues had on that. I also think that as some time has passed and after meeting with the team last year that most hard feelings are gone. Jackson/Pop interaction during pre-game in the early part of the season seemed warm and sincere.

Jefferson is also two years younger and honestly simply takes better care of his body. Would it be a smart trade for a team that had rights to Jefferson today? No but the conditions at the time made it a good transaction and comparing the two players production until the play-offs last year (I know that Jackson was waived just before the end of the season/start of the play-offs) Jackson comes out as a very comparable player.

The trade was never about Stephen Jackson. It was about shedding $11M in salary for one shitty late first round pick. SJ had a contract to match salaries, and a team that had just acquired him that wanted NO part of his bullshit.

As for his personal problems last spring, while I feel badly for he and his wife, unless she miscarried multiple times when he was on multiple teams, it really had nothing to do with his clashes with Pop last spring. He's burned his bridges with every team he's ever been on. It's what he does.

[Gagnrath]

The trade was never about Stephen Jackson. It was about shedding $11M in salary for one shitty late first round pick. SJ had a contract to match salaries, and a team that had just acquired him that wanted NO part of his bullshit.

As for his personal problems last spring, while I feel badly for he and his wife, unless she miscarried multiple times when he was on multiple teams, it really had nothing to do with his clashes with Pop last spring. He's burned his bridges with every team he's ever been on. It's what he does.


He had various bridge burning issues but not ever previously on winning teams. He also typically took quite awhile to melt down in a lockerroom. Jackson melting down there and him taking time off from the team was as much about his personal life as his personality.

[timtonymanu]

Its a good thing we never ended up with Kaman.

[Budkin]

Damn I was so happy about this trade. Thought for sure we would be ringing it up with Jack again. :depressed

[Chinook]

The trade was great. Not trading Jack last season and letting his contract go to waste was the bad part.

[exstatic]

The trade was great. Not trading Jack last season and letting his contract go to waste was the bad part.

That was pretty much the object of the trade, to let his contract roll off.

[Chinook]

That was pretty much the object of the trade, to let his contract roll off.

Yeah, but for what? What did that give them? Nothing they would not have had anyway.

[exstatic]

Yeah, but for what? What did that give them? Nothing they would not have had anyway.

It allowed them to spend most of the MLE this year without paying the tax.

[Chinook]

It allowed them to spend most of the MLE this year without paying the tax.

Which they could have done anyway by either waiving Bonner or just trading for someone making about $8 Million or less. Or had they picked up a good player last season, perhaps they don't need to use the full MLE this season.

[exstatic]

Which they could have done anyway by either waiving Bonner or just trading for someone making about $8 Million or less. Or had they picked up a good player last season, perhaps they don't need to use the full MLE this season.

There's a lot of things the Spurs CAN do that they WON'T do. I can't ever see them taking on salary in trade for Jack, or turning around and cutting Bonner and paying his $$$. These are things that you need to understand AND accept if you want to be a fan of the team and not drive yourself crazy with scenarios that will never happen.

The Spurs have a pattern of behavior involving payroll that they rarely deviate from. If you keep your expectations within those parameters, you won't be mystified, puzzled, or angry at what they do or don't do. If your expectations are outside of those parameters, your often going to be pissed off or angry at what they do or don't do.

[Chinook]

There's a lot of things the Spurs CAN do that they WON'T do. I can't ever see them taking on salary in trade for Jack, or turning around and cutting Bonner and paying his $$$. These are things that you need to understand AND accept if you want to be a fan of the team and not drive yourself crazy with scenarios that will never happen.

The Spurs have a pattern of behavior involving payroll that they rarely deviate from. If you keep your expectations within those parameters, you won't be mystified, puzzled, or angry at what they do or don't do. If your expectations are outside of those parameters, your often going to be pissed off or angry at what they do or don't do.

Stop acting like you're a Spurs guru and that you're giving me sage advice. I know how they operate. I didn't say I was shocked they didn't trade Jack. I said it was a mistake. I wanted them to acquire a good player on a long-term deal over having financial flexibility the following summer. After seeing how things played out in July, I feel justified in that desire.

And before you or someone else brings up the past 17 years as a retort, save it. I know all about the success the team has had. It's been awesome seeing playoff seasons for most of my life. That doesn't mean the FO doesn't make mistakes or that a casual fan can't correctly point them out. It also doesn't mean that their philosophy is sustainable or that throwing away assets has to be a good strategy just because the most-consistent organization in pro sports did it.

As a fan, and as a person of free mind, I have a right to observe and react with either praise or criticism as I see fit. That doesn't make me less supportive of a fan, and it certainly doesn't make me less knowledgeable of the team's history or present. Get off your damned high horse with this whole, 'You'll be a happier fan if you just sit there and watch the games,' nonsense. I am a happy fan. I'm just not a shill. I can root for the team while also giving my opinion on how they can improve. It's not that hard.

[exstatic]

Stop acting like you're a Spurs guru and that you're giving me sage advice. I know how they operate. I didn't say I was shocked they didn't trade Jack. I said it was a mistake. I wanted them to acquire a good player on a long-term deal over having financial flexibility the following summer. After seeing how things played out in July, I feel justified in that desire.

And before you or someone else brings up the past 17 years as a retort, save it. I know all about the success the team has had. It's been awesome seeing playoff seasons for most of my life. That doesn't mean the FO doesn't make mistakes or that a casual fan can't correctly point them out. It also doesn't mean that their philosophy is sustainable or that throwing away assets has to be a good strategy just because the most-consistent organization in pro sports did it.

As a fan, and as a person of free mind, I have a right to observe and react with either praise or criticism as I see fit. That doesn't make me less supportive of a fan, and it certainly doesn't make me less knowledgeable of the team's history or present. Get off your damned high horse with this whole, 'You'll be a happier fan if you just sit there and watch the games,' nonsense. I am a happy fan. I'm just not a shill. I can root for the team while also giving my opinion on how they can improve. It's not that hard.

But, you're not talking about how they can improve. You're looking into the past at something they didn't do, and saying they should have done it, when you know damn well why they didn't, or so you say.

[Chinook]

But, you're not talking about how they can improve. You're looking into the past at something they didn't do, and saying they should have done it, when you know damn well why they didn't, or so you say.

First, it's not a rule that the team doesn't take on future salary in trades. They did so with Jefferson, Thomas, and Mohammad. They take on the salary if they want the player, so your blanket statement about the team's habits isn't true.

And it makes no difference if the criticism I gave is about the past or future, especially in this case when there's proof on this board of me giving this opinion already. We can and do criticize things the team has done, like benching Green for a good part of the season, even while knowing why the team did it.

Again, you're equating, "I don't think the team should have done this," with, "I am surprised/hurt/confused the team did this." They aren't the same statement at all. I understand why the FO let Jack's and Bonner's contracts go to waste last season. I just feel their reasoning was poor and that the team is weaker than it could have been as the result of their actions.

[rascal]

Do the Spurs ever trade for good players younger than 30?

They always go for the almost washed up types.

Getting rid of Jefferson was a good move, but just too much excitement for a chucker nearing past his prime years. And still no upgrade on the frontline which is the teams biggest need and achilles heel.

I was right about Jackson making any type of difference on the floor.

[hater]

Do the Spurs ever trade for good players younger than 30?

the Spurs go for whatever is affordable in the market. It's simple math imo.

same reason nigs go for crack over high grade coca imo

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

First, it's not a rule that the team doesn't take on future salary in trades. They did so with Jefferson, Thomas, and Mohammad. They take on the salary if they want the player, so your blanket statement about the team's habits isn't true.


You're right but the chances they could have found a deal for a player good enough to commit to for Jack's corpse are extremely slim. For all we know, they might have really wanted to, they might have called every single team for every single player but no one wanted him. In fact that's probably much closer to the truth than the assumption they just wanted his contract to expire. Besides he had his family issues around the trade deadline time and it's possible this played a role as well.