Now Official: Spurs Trade RJ for Stephen Jackson

[sehui]

RJ's 3-pnt FG% and FG% in general is skewed data - He's shooting wide open shots that are created from elite players. It's like saying Bonner is the best 3 pnt shooter in the NBA because of his top ranking percentages..

SJax was more or less carrying the crappy teams he's been on aka the Bucks/Charlotte where he had to chuck shots.

[DesignatedT]

Very excited to see what sjax has left. I think people will be surprised how well he will be able to put the ball on the floor/finish around the rim. He can still play.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Woooooooooooo

someone post a Ric FLAIR .gif

[DesignatedT]

http://i.minus.com/inknNc.gif

[DAF86]

Was the last half that RJ played for us the best he played in San Antonio?

[lowdown]

My point concerning Jax shooting the 3 has nothing to do with stats but being clutch. I love it when people are so quick to argue and say things like "false" without understanding what the current issues are with the Spurs. Richard Jefferson is a professional player with great skills but the dude chokes when you need him the most. Jax is the opposite. He's a nut with a wild streak but is so competitive that he will take the shot - and make it - when it counts the most. The thing is, this current roster only needs this when it's your time to take it. He will do it when the shot clock (or game clock) is about to hit zero and do it with confidence.

[mattyc]

I love this trade so much. Part of that is due to sentiment, part of that beause we've solved the RJ issue and part of that is because I think SJax can contribute.

Never thought I'd see Buckets back in SA. Thrilled that it's happened.

[mattyc]

I love this trade so much. Part of that is due to sentiment, part of that beause we've solved the RJ issue and part of that is because I think SJax can contribute.

Never thought I'd see Buckets back in SA. Thrilled that it's happened.

[all_heart]

So we screwed up our cap for next season, when we could have actually had money to sign a Center. Gave away our first round pick in a deep draft. Got older today. And got even older for next year. And have no way of reloading with youth next year. And oh yeah, Stephen Jackson is hurt and shooting 35% this year. At least with Jefferson we could have amnestied his ass. FUCK!

Please go to the back of the line...:lol

[timvp]

Compared to Jefferson:

2010-11 Playoffs
Points per 36 mins: 8
TS%: .544
RB%: 8.3%
AST%: 4.6%
TOV%: 14.3%

2011-12
Points per 36 mins: 11.7
TS%: .556
RB%: 7.1%
AST%: 7%
TOV%: 8.6%

I was about to get those numbers. Thanks :tu

Going from SJax to RJ you lose efficiency but gain scoring and playmaking. And SJax's efficiency should rise since he won't have to create his own offense as much. He's always going to be inefficient to some degree because that's the way he's played his entire career but he can still be valuable.

And in the playoffs, you want guys who can create for themselves and others. RJ, on the other hand, had turned into the brunette version of Bonner. A team full of spot up three-point shooters doesn't get the job done come postseason.

[diego]

I worry more about the chemistry part, and Jax accepting a smaller role. if its better financially then that is icing on the cake

assuming he is healthy enough to play, there really isnt anything to compare with RJ. In the PO and tough games, RJ shrivels and so his numbers dont mean anything. As long as he accepts his role, Jax will be an improvement.

also, this isnt a crazy risk because Leonard has to become the starter sooner rather than later

[coyotes_geek]

My point concerning Jax shooting the 3 has nothing to do with stats but being clutch. I love it when people are so quick to argue and say things like "false" without understanding what the current issues are with the Spurs. Richard Jefferson is a professional player with great skills but the dude chokes when you need him the most. Jax is the opposite. He's a nut with a wild streak but is so competitive that he will take the shot - and make it - when it counts the most. The thing is, this current roster only needs this when it's your time to take it. He will do it when the shot clock (or game clock) is about to hit zero and do it with confidence.

He's a high volume, low percentage shot chucker who's never afraid to take a big shot and will occasionally hit them. He'll also occasionally shoot his team's way out of a win by going 4-18. He does the latter more frequently than the former.

[NASpurs]

$11 million for a late first rounder. GG, GSW :lmao


People keep responding to this thread and keep missing this point. It's a freaking a huge deal! The Warriors just paid $11 million for a late first round pick right like you said. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Hollinger's take on the trade:

San Antonio: B
It's an odd trade for a team in the championship race to make, since Jefferson-for-Jacko is a slight downgrade at this point in their respective careers. But the long-term savings were simply too good to pass up; San Antonio now has massive cap flexibility in the summer of 2013.

Additionally, one can argue it made a potentially difficult move much easier. The Spurs were likely going to have to bench Jefferson, who has started all 41 games but has by far the worst PER of San Antonio's 10 rotation players. With Kawhi Leonard playing well and Manu Ginobili likely to return soon, they sidestep a potentially sticky problem and can bring

[Beaverfuzz]

I'm so fucking hard right now, goodbye Dick!

[all_heart]

He's a high volume, low percentage shot chucker who's never afraid to take a big shot and will occasionally hit them. He'll also occasionally shoot his team's way out of a win by going 4-18. He does the latter more frequently than the former.

I really don't think Pop will allow him to throw up so many shots. I think Jax knows this too.

[spurs4real]

I love this trade so much. Part of that is due to sentiment, part of that beause we've solved the RJ issue and part of that is because I think SJax can contribute.

Never thought I'd see Buckets back in SA. Thrilled that it's happened.

well said.

[TDMVPDPOY]

People keep responding to this thread and keep missing this point. It's a freaking a huge deal! The Warriors just paid $11 million for a late first round pick right like you said. :lol

i dont think they have a 1st round pick due to being protected or someshit belonging to another team, they also have 3 2nd roundpicks, which they will use with the spurs pick to move up in a deep draft...

[DPG21920]

Look, we saw what a difference RJ made when he decided to actually do something besides spot up. When he drove and looked to create or get to the rim he actually made the team look much better. With Jax, you get that on a regular basis and he's a better passer/ball handler to boot. So no longer will that be the exception, but the norm.

I don't care how many Jax misses (to a certain degree obviously), I care that he will not be punked and I care about having another guy the people in the locker room trust. It could breath new life into the team as I've compared RJ to a sickness that doesn't seem to be serious so you never go to the doctor; you just never feel fully healthy.

I'm not expecting any major step forward, but this will force a better defensive unit from Pop and I will enjoy watching them much, much more. I'm going on record saying Jax will make the team better basketball wise and it will be noticeable.

Having said that, if the Spurs don't land a big man, the point is somewhat moot, although the Spurs are better now than before so hard to complain if people liked their chances as all before with RJ.

[lmbebo]

I'm so fucking hard right now, goodbye Dick!


So is Dick :hat

[Brazil]

whaaaaaattttttttt ?????

:wow:wow

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[manu the best]

fuck yeah .... im so pumped. is he gonna play tom against the thunder ? now lets just cross our fingers and hope we can get either kaman or diaw.. but i would prefer kaman. lets go spurs one more before timmy retires .. GO SPURS GO

[timtonymanu]

Look, we saw what a difference RJ made when he decided to actually do something besides spot up. When he drove and looked to create or get to the rim he actually made the team look much better. With Jax, you get that on a regular basis and he's a better passer/ball handler to boot. So no longer will that be the exception, but the norm.

I don't care how many Jax misses (to a certain degree obviously), I care that he will not be punked and I care about having another guy the people in the locker room trust. It could breath new life into the team as I've compared RJ to a sickness that doesn't seem to be serious so you never go to the doctor; you just never feel fully healthy.

I'm not expecting any major step forward, but this will force a better defensive unit from Pop and I will enjoy watching them much, much more. I'm going on record saying Jax will make the team better basketball wise and it will be noticeable.

Having said that, if the Spurs don't land a big man, the point is somewhat moot, although the Spurs are better now than before so hard to complain if people liked their chances as all before with RJ.

Well said. Hopefully Diaw gets bought out and joins us.

[therealtruth]

The biggest value in this trade is SJax's expiring contract. If he plays great and provides insurance for a Manu injury that's gravy. Yet with the expiring contract the Spurs get more flexibility to make deals and address their frontcourt issues.

[colargol]

Greatest. Tweet. Ever.

:downspin::king:rollin:toast

[Leetonidas]

The biggest value in this trade is SJax's expiring contract. If he plays great and provides insurance for a Manu injury that's gravy. Yet with the expiring contract the Spurs get more flexibility to make deals and address their frontcourt issues.

Why does everyone keep saying he's expiring? He's on board for next season

[tuncaboylu]

A very nice trade for us. Financially it's great, 1 year shorter 11M contract is excellent. On basketball wise, it depends. RJ was a better 3 pointer, but S-Jax is proven in play-offs. S-Jax was bad this year, because he was unhappy in his team and was wishing to play. He's hungry. He will be 34 next month, but he's not too old than Kobe Bryant. If his physical shape is good, he will help us.

If he can't help too much, there's also consolotion: We have acquired an expiring contract for next year, and we can pull the trigger again in next year's trade deadline.

[lowdown]

Wait, so Coyotes Geek, you think Jax is gonna be a high volume shooter in the Spurs system? I agree with Timvp's take. He's not a saviour but he does have testis! The front court is still a major concern but I even think Stephen Jackson can help in guarding Kobe Bryant or Kevin Durant with his length.

[timvp]

Look, we saw what a difference RJ made when he decided to actually do something besides spot up. When he drove and looked to create or get to the rim he actually made the team look much better. With Jax, you get that on a regular basis and he's a better passer/ball handler to boot. So no longer will that be the exception, but the norm.

I don't care how many Jax misses (to a certain degree obviously), I care that he will not be punked and I care about having another guy the people in the locker room trust. It could breath new life into the team as I've compared RJ to a sickness that doesn't seem to be serious so you never go to the doctor; you just never feel fully healthy.

I'm not expecting any major step forward, but this will force a better defensive unit from Pop and I will enjoy watching them much, much more. I'm going on record saying Jax will make the team better basketball wise and it will be noticeable.

Having said that, if the Spurs don't land a big man, the point is somewhat moot, although the Spurs are better now than before so hard to complain if people liked their chances as all before with RJ.

Good post.

This trade doesn't make the Spurs a true championship contender or anything. They are still a longshot until they solve their bigmen/defense issues. But the upside they gained is undeniable. Their ceiling is higher with SJax than it is with RJ ... I don't think that's even debatable.

[Obstructed_View]

According to Hollinger's numbers in the trade machine, the Spurs win one less regular season game with Jack instead of RJ. Considering the nosedive that RJ takes at the end of March, that's a really good deal for the Spurs.


BTW, some of you need to remember that Jack has been the first option on a lot of his teams since he left the Spurs. He now becomes the fourth option, which should free him up.

[DAF86]

The few times I've seen S-Jax this season he looked slow as fuck, very rarely I saw him attack the basket and when he did they were Paul Pierce kind of attacks without the whistle to bail him out.

[Kori Ellis]

The few times I've seen S-Jax this season he looked slow as fuck, very rarely I saw him attack the basket and when he did they were Paul Pierce kind of attacks without the whistle to bail him out.

Did you catch this game?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AgBXPSyunPSfg1FN6yCQY_szPKB4?gid=201 2011015

[DAF86]

Did you catch this game?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AgBXPSyunPSfg1FN6yCQY_szPKB4?gid=201 2011015


http://rlv.zcache.com/sample_size_tshirt-p235061285947722957z60o4_525.jpg

[Mugen]

The few times I've seen RJ this season he looked slow as fuck, very rarely I saw him attack the basket and when he did they were Paul Pierce kind of attacks without the whistle to bail him out.

[Ditty]

So is in the first round pick for this year, or any draft in the next few years?

I think Spurs could still acquire a late first rounder with Blair anyways(if there able to trade him).

[will_spurs]

I've compared RJ to a sickness that doesn't seem to be serious so you never go to the doctor; you just never feel fully healthy.

A really good description of the situation.

[will_spurs]

Whatever

To be honest, if as a player you're longing to play for a certain team, there's no better way to grab their attention than to shit on them whenever you play them.

That's exactly what SJax did.

[Kori Ellis]

http://rlv.zcache.com/sample_size_tshirt-p235061285947722957z60o4_525.jpg

You said in the few times that you've seen him, he looked horrible. So I was just asking if you missed the Spurs game. Either you missed the game, or you are exaggerating to make your point.

[timvp]

You can't say this:


The few times I've seen S-Jax

and then pull the sample size card :lol

[will_spurs]

Why does everyone keep saying he's expiring? He's on board for next season

He's expiring in the summer of 2013, when the FA class is quite good. And he could be traded at any point between now and then, if it turned out it's not working for SA, to any team looking to make an impact in the FA market in 2013.

[DAF86]

You can't say this:



and then pull the sample size card :lol

Few > One

Either way, it's not just from this season.

[DAF86]

You said in the few times that you've seen him, he looked horrible. So I was just asking if you missed the Spurs game. Either you missed the game, or you are exaggerating to make your point.

Yes, I missed that game.

[NASpurs]

A motivated SJax plays against the Spurs this year and puts up 34 points and 8 assists. So all he was lacking is motivation? Well, now he's back at a place that he wants to play at and judging from his tweets, he seems really hyped about it.

It's going to be great.

[Buddy Holly]

So the few times you saw him this season is enough of a sample size?

[DAF86]

So the few times you saw him this season is enough of a sample size?

The stats don't scream "playmaker" either.

[Kori Ellis]

Yes, I missed that game.

Cool.

I have seen him play a handful of times this year. Twice he looked really good, twice he looked horrendous, and once he looked okay. I'm guessing that's probably how he'll be in San Antonio..up and down. But at least you know when the playoffs roll around and the bright lights come on, he'll be making love to pressure.

[Buddy Holly]

Either way, it's not just from this season.

Pretty sure that's not what you put in the post. Keep your story straight brah.

[will_spurs]

He's a high volume, low percentage shot chucker who's never afraid to take a big shot and will occasionally hit them. He'll also occasionally shoot his team's way out of a win by going 4-18. He does the latter more frequently than the former.

WTF?

Not even Parker averages 18 FGA on the Spurs. Get real. Pop will yank him out of the game if he starts to take half as many shots as that. This is Parker's team now, and SJax won't even play 2nd fiddle simply because Pop trusts Duncan and Manu way more.

Think of SJax more in a Kerr/Horry role and just chill.

[Sense]

Few > One

Either way, it's not just from this season.

Oh shit, why didn't you warn Pop Mr. Scout?

[Buddy Holly]

The stats don't scream "playmaker" either.

Jesus guy, when it's a nice sunny day outside, do you run up to kids and yell "We all die some day and btw your dog didn't go to heaven."? I mean there's so much more positive than negative with this trade and you're content with being a bring down.

[DPG21920]

TBH, I've never been so happy to see Holt save himself money when it doesn't really help the Spurs immediate cap situation.

As a fan, I couldn't stand losing while watching RJ next to the big 3. I even said as much in the "why are Spurs fans so negative now" thread. With Jax here, Spurs if they go down, will go down swinging and it will bring me much more joy to rip on Jax than RJ :lol

[DAF86]

Pretty sure that's not what you put in the post. Keep your story straight brah.

I was talking about just this season but then I added that in previous seasons I saw the same things. I'm not hating just for hating, I would love for S-Jax to play great with the Spurs.

[timvp]

The stats don't scream "playmaker" either.

Ah, you're just trolling. Well done :toast

SJax has been one of the top ten playmaking swingmen in the NBA the last half decade.

[xmas1997]

Normally I would not only say NO, but HELL NO!
But as long as we get their draft pick with it I'm ok with it.

[gameFACE]

This deserves a huge FUCK YEAH!!!!! Welcome back JAX!

Being back here and the crowd response to him once he gets on the floor is going to give him a hell of a boost!

[sehui]

8 assists from a SF doesnt count as a playmaker? Have you gone full Javale Mcgee? No one goes full Mcgee dude. No one.

[DAF86]

Jesus guy, when it's a nice sunny day outside, do you run up to kids and yell "We all die some day and btw your dog didn't go to heaven."? I mean there's so much more positive than negative with this trade and you're content with being a bring down.

I'm just giving my opinion. If we would have gotten a player I think would help us I would be excited.

[DAF86]

8 assists from a SF doesnt count as a playmaker? Have you gone full Javale Mcgee? No one goes full Mcgee dude. No one.

The stats say: 35 FG% and 3 assts per game.

[Libri]

Ah, you're just trolling. Well done :toast

SJax has been one of the top ten playmaking swingmen in the NBA the last half decade.

And clutch 3-point shooter.

Notice the thread I bumped. :hat

[Obstructed_View]

The stats say: 35 FG% and 3 assts per game.

You're really going to pull out stats in a RJ for Jack trade? Fail.

[Slippy]

This bit of news just made my day. Even the missus loves SJAX.

[NASpurs]

Normally I would not only say NO, but HELL NO!
But as long as we get their draft pick with it I'm ok with it.

:lmao I have some bad news for you then

[bklynspursfan]

If he cant play tomorrow I Sure hope he's with us vs Dallas

[024]

i agree with the realists when they say that don't get your hopes up on a SF who will be 34 very soon. but i'm just so fucking glad jefferson is off this team and replacing him with a former spur is just icing on the cake. hopefully, leonard can take this opportunity and run with it.

[Sense]

the stats say: 35 fg% and 3 assts per game.

3>1.3

[xmas1997]

:lmao I have some bad news for you then

Then this will go down as the absolute worst trade in Spurs history, mark my words!

[Bruno]

Next step will be to bring back Antonio Daniels as vet PG insurance. :downspin:

[xmas1997]

What a sad day for the Spurs!

[timvp]

Next step will be to bring back Speedy Claxton as vet PG insurance. :downspin:

Fixed :hat

[Libri]

Anybody know if Stephen has recovered from his hamstring injury?

[Mr. Body]

THE SPURS MAKE LOVE TO PRESSURE.

Has anyone said that yet?

Weird. SJax was my favorite spur... nine years ago. Utterly bizarre.

[timvp]

Anybody know if Stephen has recovered from his hamstring injury?

That may very well be a "I can't play for Scott Skiles" injury.

Which would be ironic because the Spurs originally got him because he couldn't play for Byron Scott.

[SpursRock20]

Great news! Sorry RJ but you never fit the mold. With S-Jax we are certainly a better playoff team and now we must get a back-up PG from somewhere, and possibly pick up Diaw or Kaman and I'll be perfectly content.

[pgardn]

Two things:

1. He has got to be better on D than Jefferson, he has to. He is an effort player in the right situation.

2. He is a much better ball handler than Jefferson. He is not scared to dribble the ball on a break. We really got in a ball handling vice when Jefferson was pressured with the ball. Huge upgrade in ball handling.

These alone are enough for me since Pop, for some reason, had to play Jefferson.

Anything else is just gravy. There is no way he is the old Jackson we once had. But who cares. The only way I can seeing this be worse is Jackson gets put in a situation, or he feels the needs to do too much, offensively.

[TDMVPDPOY]

do we have roster spots available for another big and backup pg? we always waive anderson and CJ

[Mr. Body]

Watching the Spurs may be freakishly enjoyable now. Jackson was famous for shooting us out of as many games as he shot us in.

[sehui]

Any chance of him playing tomorrow?

[Obstructed_View]

The emotional anchor for one of the most woefully underperforming Spurs teams in history is back. Let's hope this year's Spurs don't feel the need to let opponents get out to a 20 point lead before taking the game over.

[ace3g]

apparently TJ Ford was also included in the trade

Maximum Sports ‏ @MaxSportsSA

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For what it's worth, TJ ford also traded to GS with RJ and 1st round pick

[DPG21920]

Wow, just saw that

[pgardn]

Watching the Spurs may be freakishly enjoyable now. Jackson was famous for shooting us out of as many games as he shot us in.

We got enough shooters. Just let him play a little D, and actually be confident with the ball. Thats all we need out of him. He will get some wide open 3's if he can hit them, fine. And he will get a chance here and there to slash, but not like 2003.

So were are the "I cant believe how stupid" Buford/Pop retorts?

BEFORE we know if this works out.

[lmbebo]

interesting...

[angelbelow]

Very excited for this trade, but Sjax is having a terrible year. I know that hes unhappy in with the Bucks and Coach Skiles though so hopefully this rejuvenates the heck out of him.

This is also in line with our 2013/2014 plan where a lot of our contracts are coming off the books. Even if SJax is reduced to RJ's level of production, this trade is a win because of our 2010-esque plan.

[DPG21920]

So the Spurs shaved money from their payroll this year, almost 1M.

[timtonymanu]

Shoot I hope they waive TJ so he can come back and help coach the team and mentor the young guys.

[xmas1997]

This is awful, simply awful.
That lost draft pick will come back to haunt us.

[FreeMad Dan]

:flag::flag: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :flag::flag:

[sehui]

Does anyone know the deal about the 1st rounder we gave, its protected right? How exactly does the protected first round draft pick work? If we get below a certain threshold (like under 20th) we get to keep it?

[yavozerb]

John Schuhmann: GSW/SAS trade is official. Jefferson, TJ Ford & '12 1st rounder 4 Stephen Jackson. Pick is lottery protected if Spurs somehow miss playoffs 1 minute ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1pEBnEpJD

[timvp]

apparently TJ Ford was also included in the trade

Maximum Sports ‏ @MaxSportsSA

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For what it's worth, TJ ford also traded to GS with RJ and 1st round pick

Holy crap, the trade just got better. Grand total of possible savings is now $12 million

:wow

[DPG21920]

What was GS thinking? Did they fear Jax's attitude that bad that they had to dump him and thought RJ would fit well in their system?

[AidanNelson2009]

Let's just hope S-Jax plays better D than what RJ did.

[Bruno]

Interesting that TJ Ford has been included and not James Anderson. I guess Pop wanted to have some additional depth at SG/SF with Ginobili and SJax being old/injury prone.

[will_spurs]

This is awful, simply awful.
That lost draft pick will come back to haunt us.

Yeah, we know, and it's the worst trade in Spurs history (as you mentioned in another thread).

Worse than Scola. Worse than RJ. And all that because of the 27th pick in a draft.

Not sure what you're smoking, but it must be good.

[will_spurs]

Interesting that TJ Ford has been included and not James Anderson.

Maybe because TJ retired, whereas JA still has at least a little bit of potential?

[pgardn]

This is awful, simply awful.
That lost draft pick will come back to haunt us.

This is possible.

But with the money we saved, and the upgrade in D and ball handling we just acquired, I have to read this as very good for us right now.

[DPG21920]

GM's must really value 1st round picks in this draft. Some of the deals that were done to obtain late first rounders is crazy.

[timvp]

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[angelbelow]

What was GS thinking? Did they fear Jax's attitude that bad that they had to dump him and thought RJ would fit well in their system?

They're just a retarded organization. I actually praised them for the Sjax trade because they got rid of their joke of a lottery pick (Upoh) and their joke of an offseason signing (Brown) but then they turn around and do something like this. The Warriors organization make a lot of questionable basketball moves and this is just another example IMO.

[DPG21920]

But a lot of teams are doing stupid things for late first rounders (What was CLE thinking taking on Luke for LA's first rounder?)

[Darkwaters]

Does anyone know the deal about the 1st rounder we gave, its protected right? How exactly does the protected first round draft pick work? If we get below a certain threshold (like under 20th) we get to keep it?

It's lottery protected. So if we miss the playoffs this year we keep the pick. Otherwise, Golden State gets it.

[pgardn]

GM's must really value 1st round picks in this draft. Some of the deals that were done to obtain late first rounders is crazy.

Supposedly crazy deep.

[SenorSpur]

The savings for the club and for Holt is a good thing. However, I still lament the loss of 1st round pick, in what will undoubtedly be a very deep draft. Unless the Spurs can somehow package their way back into the draft, the only chance of getting a young big now is via free agency.

[DPG21920]

It's lottery protected for this year + the next two, but it's moot. Spurs aren't missing the playoffs.

This move (the trading of the pick) actually saves the Spurs more than the 12M on the surface (RJ's additional year + TJ) as it eliminates guaranteed 1st rounder money as well since they don't have the pick.

timvp: You really think there is a chance the Spurs traded for Jax and don't play him at least as much as RJ? Would that not be a locker room nightmare?

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Lorbek?

[tuncaboylu]

We sold a 25+ draft pick for 10M.

If it will haunt us in that case, i wonder how it will.

[angelbelow]

But a lot of teams are doing stupid things for late first rounders (What was CLE thinking taking on Luke for LA's first rounder?)

Maybe its the word of mouth about the 2012 draft class. I mean I don't follow college b-ball whatsoever and even I'm aware that its one of the deeper drafts in recent years.

However, if I'm not mistake, the draft is top heavy right? Meaning that in general the top 15 rea likely to be high potential prospect but theres a drop off towards the end?

If thats the case I'm fine with giving up the 1st rounder.

[Bruno]

Maybe because TJ retired, whereas JA still has at least a little bit of potential?

Yeah but Spurs woudl have save more money by including JA. Pop somewhat still count on JA.

[DPG21920]

You're right about the draft chatter, but many pundits have cooled on the talent in this class. I for one don't think a pick that late (Spurs 27th) is that valuable in any draft. In fact, buying the 31st pick might even be better.

[kjhip1]

Bun B‏@BunBTrillOG
My Lil bro @DaTrillStak5 is back in Texas! Where he got that ring at! With my other bro @tp9network


Stephen Jackson‏@DaTrillStak5
@BunBTrillOG yes sir OG

That remind me, I can finally get my UGK CD back.



#oldschoolreference

TimVP what you know about that wood wheel

Wt7BEbdCFMM

[mudyez]

after all it comes down to this:

Jax in--> fanfav which gives us a better outsideshot at making a deep run...he may not be better than Dick but he will be at his best in the playoffs

RJ out--> saves us a lot of money, but we loose the ability to amnestize him in order to create capspace...but IMHO: who thinks, we are real players in free agency? I dont see someone nice coming to us in 2012 anyway.

Pick out-->yeah, the Spurs are strong at scouting, but a) that tells us, that they probably dont see anyone special in the range of 20-30...b) they might be able to get a pick if they really want one by trading Green or Blair this summer...c) its not like there is a big difference for the Spurs between picking 20-30 or in the second round

[Mal]

Yeah but Spurs woudl have save more money by including JA. Pop somewhat still count on JA.

How much $$ we are talkin ? 300k or more ? So 300k for players who could be usefull, who could give some rest to our guard isnt that much price.

[Ditty]

Yeah but Spurs woudl have save more money by including JA. Pop somewhat still count on JA.

I still think JA is going to be apart of the future plans still, but not picking up his option was kinda odd.

[DPG21920]

It's quite possible that the Spurs tried to include JA but GS said no due to the additional 500K.

[timvp]

The Warriors lose so much money in this trade you'd think the Spurs had to throw in cash. But haven't heard that yet.

[Darkwaters]

I'm still in shock. I just checked the web a few minutes ago and was amazed to see this trade came down. Jax is back in town. Go figure.

It's a shame the first rounder had to go, but it's not a huge deal. This draft isn't nearly as deep as many originally thought and I'm not sure that pick would have made nearly the impact most here seem to think.

Tossing in TJ Ford was a nice move that saved some cash. Perhaps most amazing is that James Anderson survived the deadline. Interesting...

All and all, I love this trade. The Spurs saved a ton of cash by dumping RJ (and TJ for that matter) - something like 12M. Jax is infinitely better than Jefferson and Ford wasn't going to play ever again. And to top it all off, the Spurs maintain their ability to amnesty a player not named Richard Jefferson. I personally would be in favor of amnestying Matt Bonner in due time, but thats just me.

How often can you make a trade that both saves you money and makes you better?

[Bill_Brasky]

Bun B‏@BunBTrillOG
My Lil bro @DaTrillStak5 is back in Texas! Where he got that ring at! With my other bro @tp9network


Stephen Jackson‏@DaTrillStak5
@BunBTrillOG yes sir OG











That remind me, I can finally get my UGK CD back.



#oldschoolreference

I hit the 3 like Steve Jackson, say my name and watch ya bitch reaction!

[DPG21920]

The Warriors lose so much money in this trade you'd think the Spurs had to throw in cash. But haven't heard that yet.

Don't see why they throw in TJ when not needed financially to make the trade work if they are paying cash.

[Spurs Brazil]

Monroe_SA By including @tj_ford in jefferson-Jax deal #Spurs have cleared some salary to saign potential buyout player(s); Diaw? Kaman?

[Bruno]

How much $$ we are talkin ? 300k or more ? So 300k for players who could be usefull, who could give some rest to our guard isnt that much price.

$500K more in luxury tax and about $200K more in remaining salary.

[Spurs Brazil]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/120315_jackson

Spurs Obtain Stephen Jackson from Warriors

[will_spurs]

How much $$ we are talkin ? 300k or more ? So 300k for players who could be usefull, who could give some rest to our guard isnt that much price.

Difference between TJ's and JA's contract is $550k this year. It's not inconsequential at this stage.

Of course TJ's contract was a salary dump waiting to happen, but what's even weirder is that the Spurs haven't picked JA's option, so it didn't make a difference, unless the Spurs are counting on JA at some point before the end of the season.

[Spurs Brazil]

manuginobili I enjoyed playing w RJ for +2ys. Great teammate & player. We´ll miss him in the locker room.

[kjhip1]

and i wonder where he gets his inside information from

:rolleyes

[Darkwaters]

Don't see why they throw in TJ when not needed financially to make the trade work if they are paying cash.

It saves on the luxury tax.

[DPG21920]

Monroe is not correct. Spurs have no additional money to offer because TJ was included.

[DPG21920]

It saves on the luxury tax.

Sure, but then what's the point if you are just turning around and paying that cash to GS?

[sliver]

What you guys talking about S. Jack being one of greatest Spurs, he had 11ppg in 03..?

[kjhip1]

Skip Bayless Twitter:

Spurs get even better sending RJefferson to GState for Stephen Jackson. Jeff talented but soft, low energy. Capt Jack tough gamer, loves Pop

No surprise here

[anakha]

Pick out-->yeah, the Spurs are strong at scouting, but a) that tells us, that they probably dont see anyone special in the range of 20-30...b) they might be able to get a pick if they really want one by trading Green or Blair this summer...c) its not like there is a big difference for the Spurs between picking 20-30 or in the second round

Or that anybody the Spurs are targeting in that pick range can be had with a second-round pick (and non-guaranteed money).

[ManuTastic]

Knowing the Spurs re-upped RJ is still a head-scratcher - to this very day.

Exactly. All they've done is cure a problem they created. Love the trade, but wtf was that extension all about anyway??

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs general manager R.C. Buford will be available at a press conference later this evening. We’ll have all the details after he finishes.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/15/spurs-officially-confirm-jefferson-jackson-deal/

[SenorSpur]

For anyone wanting some insight on what they're saying here on Mavsland, the talking heads on local Sportstalk radio proclaim even more hatred for the already-hated Spurs. The majority of Mavs faithful hate Jax for how he and his mates worked Dirk over in that epic 2007 1st round playoff upset versus Golden State. Now that Jax is coming back to the Spurs, it simply ramps up the anti-Spurs hatred. Gotta love it.

[angelbelow]

What you guys talking about S. Jack being one of greatest Spurs, he had 11ppg in 03..?

Case of quality not quantity.

[kjhip1]

For anyone wanting some insight on what they're saying here on Mavsland, the talking heads on local Sportstalk radio proclaim even more hatred for the already-hated Spurs. The majority of Mavs faithful hate Jax for how he and his mates worked Dirk over in that epic 2007 1st round playoff upset versus Golden State. Now that Jax is coming back to the Spurs, it simply ramps up the anti-Spurs hatred. Gotta love it.

I dont know why...but Dallas isnt scaring anyone this year..i mean they are the champs but the way they have been losing..Spurs would have to be heavily favored going against them.

[DPG21920]

For anyone wanting some insight on what they're saying here on Mavsland, the talking heads on local Sportstalk radio proclaim even more hatred for the already-hated Spurs. The majority of Mavs faithful hate Jax for how he and his mates worked Dirk over in that epic 2007 1st round playoff upset versus Golden State. Now that Jax is coming back to the Spurs, it simply ramps up the anti-Spurs hatred. Gotta love it.


Speaking of, that would be boss if he made his debut against the Mavs.

[ace3g]

By the numbers:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/jackson_numbers

[Spurs Brazil]

Old Jack city — why it works
Posted on 03/15/2012 by Buck Harvey

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/buckharvey/2012/03/old-jack-city-why-it-works/

[Hoops Czar]

Not sure how productive this trade was. They give up a cripple but still didn't address any needs like a backup pg and/or big man. On top of that, they gave up a 1st round draft pick in a strong upcoming draft.

This is S-Jax at 33, not 20.

[Obstructed_View]

For anyone wanting some insight on what they're saying here on Mavsland, the talking heads on local Sportstalk radio proclaim even more hatred for the already-hated Spurs. The majority of Mavs faithful hate Jax for how he and his mates worked Dirk over in that epic 2007 1st round playoff upset versus Golden State. Now that Jax is coming back to the Spurs, it simply ramps up the anti-Spurs hatred. Gotta love it.

Yep, that sound you heard down there was the collective assholes of the Mavericks puckering up.

[Darkwaters]

Sure, but then what's the point if you are just turning around and paying that cash to GS?

You only pay GS the cash for TJ's contract. Not the contract + luxury tax.

So lets say hes scheduled to make 1M with another 1M in luxury tax afterwards. By trading him you essentially cut out 2M in expenses. But the team receiving him is under the cap, so they only owe the 1M in salary and $0 in luxury tax. So you send the receiving team 1M and walk away. They break even and get the player for free (1M salary owed, but received 1M cash) and the sending team doesn't have to pay the extra 1M in luxury tax.

The only person that loses in that scenario is the league office collecting the luxury tax.

[mexicanjunior]

For anyone wanting some insight on what they're saying here on Mavsland, the talking heads on local Sportstalk radio proclaim even more hatred for the already-hated Spurs. The majority of Mavs faithful hate Jax for how he and his mates worked Dirk over in that epic 2007 1st round playoff upset versus Golden State. Now that Jax is coming back to the Spurs, it simply ramps up the anti-Spurs hatred. Gotta love it.

Followill and Corby in particular HATE the Spurs...

Bottom...

[Pauleta14]

I have a bad feeling about this trade...

I don't understand why so many of you, even some of the "best" posters on ST are blinded by the memory of "2003 SJax".
The guy is 34, is a volume scorer, and at that time Manu and Tony took a lot less shot/game...

Do you see him becoming a role player and being able, at 34 years old, to play an elite D?

I hope I'll be surprised/wrong, but I really think it's a desperate move to get rid of RJ's player option, since their salaries match and a "gift" to the SA fans who hated RJ and were nostalgic of SJax...

+ WE NEED A BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bang

[timvp]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/buckharvey/2012/03/old-jack-city-why-it-works/

Pretty much what we've covered here but good take by Buck :tu

[jag]

If nothing else, it's just nice to know you have a guy out there who isn't a pussy, frightened by the opponent or the moment. The Spurs have lacked a certain level of toughness, and it can be difficult to quantify the impact certain players have with their toughness. Certain things just don't show up in the box score. The contributions of Avery Johnson, Mario Elie and Malik Rose would hardly appear invaluable by simply reading box scores. I guess sometimes it's just nice to know you have a teammate who wouldn't think twice about charging into the stands to cover your back.

Kori said it best when she said RJ just didn't fit in. It was obvious how awkward it was at times. Not only did RJ not bring toughness or grit, he also managed to disrupt team chemistry. It didn't take long for him to realize that he had completely disappointed everyone in the front office and on the roster. He was supposed to join the team as part of the "Big 4", but probably felt like a massive piece of shit for getting paid Parker/Manu money while being a complete waste of space who didn't fit in and didn't know his role. His mindset changed from wanting to be a key contributor, to not wanting to be in the front of everyone's mind as a major disappointment. RJ's only goal then was to blend in. If he could blend in and be unremarkable, then maybe he could actually finish his career without being moved again. It didn't take long for Milwaukee to realize they had made a mistake, and the Spurs quickly found out why Milwaukee was willing to part with him for scraps. RJ understood all of that. He's never really fit in, even going back to NJ. And I doubt he'll ever really fit in, but he needs to go somewhere he's liked and expectations are low. GS could very well be that place.

As far as Jackson is concerned, he won't be asked to carry the offense and I doubt the Spurs expect him to be a consistent defensive stopper. All he has to do is want to compete. That alone will be a huge upgrade over the past 2 1/2 seasons.

[DPG21920]

I have a bad feeling about this trade...

I don't understand why so many of you, even some of the "best" posters on ST are blinded by the memory of "2003 SJax".
The guy is 34, is a volume scorer, and at that time Manu and Tony took a lot less shot/game...

Do you see him becoming a role player and being able, at 34 years old, to play an elite D?

I hope I'll be surprised/wrong, but I really think it's a desperate move to get rid of RJ's player option, since their salaries match and a "gift" to the SA fans who hated RJ and were nostalgic of SJax...

+ WE NEED A BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at it this way: Even if Jax never plays, are the Spurs really that worse off?

[timvp]

Saying the Spurs need a big or a point guard misses the fact that RJ wasn't movable in any trade other than this one. It's not like the Spurs were offered a variety of players and decided to take SJax. This was literally their only opportunity to move RJ.

So it comes down to whether you want RJ and a late first rounder or you want SJax, $12 million and a soon to be expiring contract.

[Ocotillo]

Count me among those who approve this trade.

I hope R.C. doesn't celebrate too much tonight.:drunk

[ace3g]

Manu Ginobili ‏ @manuginobili

The good news is that is great to have SJackson back with us! Great memories from my rookie season. Welcome back Jack!!

[mudyez]

Not sure how productive this trade was. They give up a cripple but still didn't address any needs like a backup pg and/or big man. On top of that, they gave up a 1st round draft pick in a strong upcoming draft.

This is S-Jax at 33, not 20.

not sure, if the Spurs see the backup PG as such a big problem: Manu can handle it the few minutes TP is off the court and if one of them goes down, our season is over anyway. Neal did well most games and Joseph at least can handle some garbage time.

not sure, if the Spurs see the big man as a problem either: With all 4 Big Man healthy we seem to be fine...Bonner stretching, Blair banging, Splitter and Timmy ballin' and then there is the love of going small (I hate it too) with Leonard or now maybe Jax.

...I think, they will take a look at some buyouts, but after all without signing one, they didnt allready play this season.

my best hope is Diaw because of him beeing friends with Tony, but we shouldnt get our hopes up just hours after the Spurs did their biggest in season move since....since....???

[Obstructed_View]

I have a bad feeling about this trade...

I don't understand why so many of you, even some of the "best" posters on ST are blinded by the memory of "2003 SJax".
The guy is 34, is a volume scorer, and at that time Manu and Tony took a lot less shot/game...

Do you see him becoming a role player and being able, at 34 years old, to play an elite D?

I hope I'll be surprised/wrong, but I really think it's a desperate move to get rid of RJ's player option, since their salaries match and a "gift" to the SA fans who hated RJ and were nostalgic of SJax...

+ WE NEED A BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bang

You're missing the point on this: Jack may never become anything, which makes him about the same as RJ has been since he's been a Spur. There's simply not a downside to getting rid of RJ, even if it's for nothing.

Bonus: Jack is an expiring contract next year, before Duncan retires, which adds to the value. Their numbers are relatively equal. The intangible is what gives him value. Jack's the kind of guy who runs towards the fire, RJ is the kind of guy who runs away from it. Who do you want on your team in the playoffs?

Yes, the Spurs still need a big. Yes, the Spurs still need a point guard. That wasn't going to change one way or another. What the Spurs just did was give themselves some cap flexibility next year and potentially improved the team drastically this year. Not bad.

[yavozerb]

I have a bad feeling about this trade...

I don't understand why so many of you, even some of the "best" posters on ST are blinded by the memory of "2003 SJax".
The guy is 34, is a volume scorer, and at that time Manu and Tony took a lot less shot/game...

Do you see him becoming a role player and being able, at 34 years old, to play an elite D?

I hope I'll be surprised/wrong, but I really think it's a desperate move to get rid of RJ's player option, since their salaries match and a "gift" to the SA fans who hated RJ and were nostalgic of SJax...

+ WE NEED A BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you that in some area's the spurs will not get better. You are 100% correct when you say this trade was to get rid of RJ and that option year. This trade have everything to do with $ while losing very little in the way of a competative team on the floor. We have needed a big all year and the spurs have done very well during this time, But I do feel the spurs will add 1 more piece before its all said and done

[Trill Clinton]

Not sure how productive this trade was. They give up a cripple but still didn't address any needs like a backup pg and/or big man. On top of that, they gave up a 1st round draft pick in a strong upcoming draft.

This is S-Jax at 33, not 20.


by the time we would have picked all of that talent would have been gone.

[rascal]

Do the Spurs ever trade for good players younger than 30?

They always go for the almost washed up types.

Getting rid of Jefferson was a good move, but just too much excitement for a chucker nearing past his prime years. And still no upgrade on the frontline which is the teams biggest need and achilles heel.

[timvp]

Manu Ginobili ‏ @manuginobili

The good news is that is great to have SJackson back with us! Great memories from my rookie season. Welcome back Jack!!

Nice. My favorite press conference ever was Manu and SJax at the podium after the 2003 champion.

Please tell me that's on YouTube . . .

[cd98]

What's espn insider's take?

[RodNIc91]

S-Jax thread!! I couldn't be any happier. Coincidentally, yesterday they were broadcasting game 1 2003 finals. @Timvp I expect a full analysis on how this coupled with other factors affect the stretch run. A preview kind-of post of what to expect of this second half would be nice. Cheers for a great trade deadline.

[angelbelow]

I have a bad feeling about this trade...

I don't understand why so many of you, even some of the "best" posters on ST are blinded by the memory of "2003 SJax".
The guy is 34, is a volume scorer, and at that time Manu and Tony took a lot less shot/game...

Do you see him becoming a role player and being able, at 34 years old, to play an elite D?

I hope I'll be surprised/wrong, but I really think it's a desperate move to get rid of RJ's player option, since their salaries match and a "gift" to the SA fans who hated RJ and were nostalgic of SJax...

+ WE NEED A BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bang

Because its as much of a financial move as it is a personnel move. If SJax ends up doing as bad as RJ we still clear a ton of cap room for the 2013 project.

Sjax is also an above average play maker - something this team desperately needs. As much as we need a big, I would say having another playmaker is extremely important as well.

[rascal]

Saying the Spurs need a big or a point guard misses the fact that RJ wasn't movable in any trade other than this one. It's not like the Spurs were offered a variety of players and decided to take SJax. This was literally their only opportunity to move RJ.

So it comes down to whether you want RJ and a late first rounder or you want SJax, $12 million and a soon to be expiring contract.

Good trade overall but just too much excitement over a deal that really doesn't make the Spurs all that much better.

[Spursfan092120]

HRieYTW3zkM

[5in10]

So does Jax or Leonard start? Even if jax amounts to nothing we gain something in giving rjs time to Leonard.

[Mal]

2005

Taking RJ`s 30 mil wasnt big deal ? Or it should be one.

[Hoops Czar]

You're missing the point on this: Jack may never become anything, which makes him about the same as RJ has been since he's been a Spur. There's simply not a downside to getting rid of RJ, even if it's for nothing.

Bonus: Jack is an expiring contract next year, before Duncan retires, which adds to the value. Their numbers are relatively equal. The intangible is what gives him value. Jack's the kind of guy who runs towards the fire, RJ is the kind of guy who runs away from it. Who do you want on your team in the playoffs?

Yes, the Spurs still need a big. Yes, the Spurs still need a point guard. That wasn't going to change one way or another. What the Spurs just did was give themselves some cap flexibility next year and potentially improved the team drastically this year. Not bad.

And amnesting Rj gives them a lot more money to play with next year. That's waisting a year of Duncan's career. I fail to see how this moves makes the Spurs better.

[benefactor]

Do the Spurs ever trade for good players younger than 30?

They always go for the almost washed up types.

Getting rid of Jefferson was a good move, but just too much excitement for a chucker nearing past his prime years. And still no upgrade on the frontline which is the teams biggest need and achilles heel.
rascal with the "forever unhappy" goods, per usual, fwiw, tbh, imo.

[urunobili]

Happy for RJ to hang often in the Castro :tu

[mudyez]

my biggest concern: we always hear of players needing a year getting used to our system. we dont have that year with Jax!

RJ offensively may have been a pure spotupshooter (with that backdoor alley hoop play with the screen at the elbow), but he seemed to finaly get it. Defensively I just dont know.

So timvp? Do you think Jax can use some of the stuff he learned nearly a decade ago, for getting used to it faster now? Or did everything change anyway?

[tuncaboylu]

I have a bad feeling about this trade...

I don't understand why so many of you, even some of the "best" posters on ST are blinded by the memory of "2003 SJax".
The guy is 34, is a volume scorer, and at that time Manu and Tony took a lot less shot/game...

Do you see him becoming a role player and being able, at 34 years old, to play an elite D?

I hope I'll be surprised/wrong, but I really think it's a desperate move to get rid of RJ's player option, since their salaries match and a "gift" to the SA fans who hated RJ and were nostalgic of SJax...

+ WE NEED A BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bang

How old is Kobe?

[kjhip1]

at least jax wont have this happen to him anymore:

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Sean Elliott is hilarious!!! :lol

[Duncan2177]

And amnesting Rj gives them a lot more money to play with next year. That's waisting a year of Duncan's career. I fail to see how this moves makes the Spurs better.

And you thought Jefferson wouldn't be traded. :lol

[yavozerb]

And amnesting Rj gives them a lot more money to play with next year. That's waisting a year of Duncan's career. I fail to see how this moves makes the Spurs better.

If you still cannot see the benfit of this trade after all these posts its pretty much impossible you ever will...:rolleyes

[Hoops Czar]

not sure, if the Spurs see the backup PG as such a big problem: Manu can handle it the few minutes TP is off the court and if one of them goes down, our season is over anyway. Neal did well most games and Joseph at least can handle some garbage time.

not sure, if the Spurs see the big man as a problem either: With all 4 Big Man healthy we seem to be fine...Bonner stretching, Blair banging, Splitter and Timmy ballin' and then there is the love of going small (I hate it too) with Leonard or now maybe Jax.

...I think, they will take a look at some buyouts, but after all without signing one, they didnt allready play this season.

my best hope is Diaw because of him beeing friends with Tony, but we shouldnt get our hopes up just hours after the Spurs did their biggest in season move since....since....???


They may not be concerned with a backup pg, but I would hkp they're concerned about another big and they put a lot of emphasis on Diaw now more than ever.

[ElNono]

wow... super busy at work today and come back home to read all this!!!!! wow

Welcome back Jack!!!!!

[benefactor]

wow... super busy at work today and come back home to read all this!!!!! wow

Welcome back Jack!!!!!
It gets better...there's actually people who don't like the trade.

[ElNono]

Nice. My favorite press conference ever was Manu and SJax at the podium after the 2003 champion.

Please tell me that's on YouTube . . .

:lol I looked. I remember it well. Talking how him and Manu are the same, coming from overseas (he mentioned playing in Venezuela I think) and that they're hungry... great conference. I might have it saved on a DVD somewhere.

[cd98]

In a way, Spurs can handle the back up point guard problem by committee. Both Ginoboli and Jackson can handle the ball and Neal is decent. That said, if Tony got injured, we'd be screwed, but that's probably true even if we got a solid back up point guard.

[ElNono]

It gets better...there's actually people who don't like the trade.

What? Fuck RJ. Can't believe somebody took that albatross of a contract.

lol GSW
lol Mark Jackson
lol hand down, man down

[Drachen]

Saying the Spurs need a big or a point guard misses the fact that RJ wasn't movable in any trade other than this one. It's not like the Spurs were offered a variety of players and decided to take SJax. This was literally their only opportunity to move RJ.

So it comes down to whether you want RJ and a late first rounder or you want SJax, $12 million and a soon to be expiring contract.

THANK FUCKING YOU! I have been reading this thread waiting for someone to say it. I just wanted to get to the end and make sure that no one had before I posted it.

Its not like Orlando was offering us Dwight Howard for RJ and then we said "hold on the other phone is ringing.... Hello? Oh hey golden state.... who?...." "Oh Orlando, I am going to have to call you back, I really gotta take this call"

[Muser]

What a steal for the Spurs to dump RJ and get Jackson. Nowhere near the player he was but still prefer him to RJ.

[RodNIc91]

Per Manu, Jack will be making his debut next wednesday

[Nathan89]

I hope Jackson is healthy and if so I really like this trade.

The fact that we lost the ability to amnesty Rj doesn't bother me too much because I think there was a possibility that the Spurs weren't going to. Were the Spurs really going to payoff Rj to overpay a free agent to come to SA? Dallas and other teams would have had dibs on big name free agents. Leaving Spurs someone to overpay someone for a long-term contract.

Overall this trade stopped a possibility of Rj playing more seasons for the Spurs. Also prevent all the pain I would had witnessed from Spurs fans on this board as they came to the realization that Rj wouldn't be amnestied.

[Hoops Czar]

And you thought Jefferson wouldn't be traded. :lol

Nope. But I'm not really convinced this trade makes the Spurs better.

[Pauleta14]

Look at it this way: Even if Jax never plays, are the Spurs really that worse off?

Of course not, and I just read Buck Harvey article (I should have start by that before posting) and I finaly agree, wort case scenario, Spurs save 10M$...

I'm just not really sold on re-writing history, players or coaches who come back where they had succes rarely do it again.

We'll see

[mexicanjunior]

Per Manu, Jack will be making his debut next wednesday

I'm so glad I bought tickets to that game...originally it was just for the Bowen jersey retirement but hearing the ovation for Capt Jack in person will be AWESOME!

[Trill Clinton]

THANK FUCKING YOU! I have been reading this thread waiting for someone to say it. I just wanted to get to the end and make sure that no one had before I posted it.

Its not like Orlando was offering us Dwight Howard for RJ and then we said "hold on the other phone is ringing.... Hello? Oh hey golden state.... who?...." "Oh Orlando, I am going to have to call you back, I really gotta take this call"

lol

[Cane]

While the idea of Mark Jackson coaching Stephen Jackson sounds pretty damn entertaining, its pretty remarkable that RJ got moved for a tougher player with a better contract. It does suck giving up a first rounder but there will be all sorts of free agents and trade opportunities anyway

Every team needs a crazy guy and Stephen Jackson has the talent to back it up, hopefully its more consistent with the silver and black. RJ was just too soft although he did improve his 3 point shooting greatly

Stephen Jackson's also going to love Parker's new nightclub or whatever btw :downspin:

:flag:

[SenorSpur]

When Pop benched RJ in that series-clinching Game 6 versus the Grizzlies last spring, it was obvious the romance was over. Let's also recall how feverishly the Spurs FO worked to try and get RJ traded prior to the start of the season - and that was before all the presumed amnesty chatter.

This was a move that HAD to happen.

[Cane]

When Pop benched RJ in that series-clinching Game 6 versus the Grizzlies last spring, it was obvious the romance was over. Let's also recall how feverishly the Spurs FO worked to try and get RJ traded prior to the start of the season - and that was before all the presumed amnesty chatter.

This was a move that HAD to happen.

True that.

Imo it almost felt like Coach Pop and the rest of the coaching staff wanted to bench RJ all along because of RJ's uninspired play, but the Spurs had to play RJ starting minutes otherwise he'd be untradeable

[rascal]

Nope. But I'm not really convinced this trade makes the Spurs better.

timvp also did not believe the trade would make the team better before the trade happened.
Just read it in another thread.

So there are others that also believe it.

[rascal]

Good trade because they get rid of RJ who was never going to be good with the Spurs and saves the team $ but it does not make the team much better on the court like the excitement I am seeing from some in here.

[timvp]

timvp also did not believe the trade would make the team better before the trade happened.
Just read it in another thread.

So there are others that also believe it.

The thing is though that the trade doesn't have to make the Spurs better to be a successful trade. Moving RJ out of the way and saving $12 million makes it a success no matter what happens.


Good trade because they get rid of RJ who was never going to be good with the Spurs and saves the team $ but it does not make the team much better on the court like the excitement I am seeing from some in here.

I'd be excited about trading RJ for a bag of rocks even though RJ is probably better at basketball than a bag of rocks.

[rascal]

THANK FUCKING YOU! I have been reading this thread waiting for someone to say it. I just wanted to get to the end and make sure that no one had before I posted it.

Its not like Orlando was offering us Dwight Howard for RJ and then we said "hold on the other phone is ringing.... Hello? Oh hey golden state.... who?...." "Oh Orlando, I am going to have to call you back, I really gotta take this call"

That is not the point that they were not going to get a big for RJ. The point is the Spurs still have a thin weak frontline and adding Jackson does not fix that.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't think timvp thought the trade had a chance of happening because Milwaukee had no reason to agree to it.

[Nathan89]

I'd be excited about trading RJ for a bag of rocks even though RJ is probably better at basketball than a bag of rocks.

Disagree.

[ace3g]

Earvin Magic Johnson ‏ @MagicJohnson

@NBA trade deadline winners: @Lakers, Spurs, Pacers & Clippers.
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[CGD]

Looks like the Spurs shipped TJ Ford's contract in the deal too. http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/warriors_acquire_jefferson.html

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm one of the people that don't believe it'll make the Spurs much better, but I'm still very excited about it..

These aren't two exclusive opinions/feelings..

[Russo21]

Fuck you smartass know it all fuckas who said RJ was unable to be moved and we were stuck with him. In one of my trades you guys mocked was an RJ for Jackson switch and all you dumb pricks laughed. Yep one of my dumb trade scenarios turned out to actually happen. Suck on that you know it all fuckas.

[dbestpro]

How soon some forget. The Spurs were actually talking about getting rid of Parker just to get rid of RJ. Now we got rid of him for a number one pick and got a clutch payer back with one year less on his contract. It's not like we've been all that with number one picks in the back of the draft anyway. All in all a pretty good day.

[Hoops Czar]

If you still cannot see the benfit of this trade after all these posts its pretty much impossible you ever will...:rolleyes

Well, yavof*ck, I'm not about to revisit 27 pages of comments just because your too lazy to mention it again. How I see it is Stephen Jackson will be making 10.06 million next year, T.J Ford is off the books, and the Spurs lose a draft pick in a strong draft.

I don't give a flying shit if another team played RJ while the Spurs payed for him because its not counting against the cap next year.

They still have Leonard and I would have rather seen him start while getting a backup SF to come off the bench.

This move has nothing to do with winning but then again, I'm sure S-Jax was the "only" case scenario.


And losing a draft pick in a strong upcoming draft is costly for a team who's closer to rebuilding than reloading.

[Hoops Czar]

The thing is though that the trade doesn't have to make the Spurs better to be a successful trade. Moving RJ out of the way and saving $12 million makes it a success.

Excuse me Timvp, where is the 12 million savings coming from??

[lmbebo]

Excuse me Timvp, where is the 12 million savings coming from??

it takes away the $12 million (slightly less) that RJ was supposed to earn in his final year of the contract.

SJax;s contract basically ends 1 year sooner.

[benefactor]

Excuse me Timvp, where is the 12 million savings coming from??
Shamsports is your friend.

[ElNono]

it could be more than $12 million if the Spurs are in luxury tax land... just great move. RJ is somebody's else problem now

[Trimble87]

Excuse me Timvp, where is the 12 million savings coming from??

Stephen Jackson has an expiring contract next year. Where as RJ has a player option after next year. So in 2013 Jackson will be off the books but if we had kept RJ + TJ Ford we would be spending an extra 12 million. Thats the money timvp is talking about.

It does not save us any money next year, which amnestying RJ would have. But people seem to forget that when you use the Amnesty you still have to pay the player it just doesn't count against cap space. The spurs just don't have the kind of cash to do that.

[Hoops Czar]

Stephen Jackson has an expiring contract next year. Where as RJ has a player option after next year. So in 2013 Jackson will be off the books but if we had kept RJ + TJ Ford we would be spending an extra 12 million. Thats the money timvp is talking about.

It does not save us any money next year, which amnestying RJ would have. But people seem to forget that when you use the Amnesty you still have to pay the player it just doesn't count against cap space. The spurs just don't have the kind of cash to do that.


it takes away the $12 million (slightly less) that RJ was supposed to earn in his final year of the contract.

SJax;s contract basically ends 1 year sooner.


Right. But as opposed to Amnestying Rj and having his contract not count against the cap. Sure the Spurs still pay his contract, but it doesn't prevent the Spurs from making moves. The only winners here are the Spurs FO.

[InRareForm]

lol RJ is going to the bench.

RT @cruzkontrolJackson on Stack Jack-Jefferson trade: says Jefferson probably won't start ahead of Wright.

[Muser]

If you aren't happy to see RJ gone then not even god can help you.

[Drachen]

That is not the point that they were not going to get a big for RJ. The point is the Spurs still have a thin weak frontline and adding Jackson does not fix that.

So an upgrade is a bad thing now? (even if sjax isn't an upgrade, kawhi is)
Yes we have a weakness at the 4/5, RJ wasn't going to fix that. This trade exists in a vacuum relative to the big need. RJ was never going to help with that ever. With that being said, and understood we upgraded the 3. So instead of doing nothing, we upgraded the three. Upgrades are good.

[VaSpursFan]

had to come out of retirement and say welcome back jack...you shouldn't have left us. we will now have at least 2 scorers on the court the entire game now. i think i just wet myself...LOL

[Trimble87]

Right. But as opposed to Amnestying Rj and having his contract not count against the cap. Sure the Spurs still pay his contract, but it doesn't prevent the Spurs from making moves. The only winners here are the Spurs FO.

If you consider RJ a better player then SJax I suppose so. But I'm not sure why fans would be mad that the Spurs FO saves money.

[benefactor]

Right. But as opposed to Amnestying Rj and having his contract not count against the cap. Sure the Spurs still pay his contract, but it doesn't prevent the Spurs from making moves. The only winners here are the Spurs FO.
You really think the Spurs are going to be doling out loads of cash to FA's after cutting a huge check to RJ and re-signing Duncan?

lol

[jimo2305]

If you aren't happy to see RJ gone then not even god can help you.

:lol

im so excited sjax is back.. can't wait to see this lineup in full effect

it's like 2003 except everyone's older and wiser :p

[analyzed]

With acquisition of Jackson more than anything it shows Pops confidence in Kawhi as a starter. With Leonard moving to the starting line-up with Green that gives the Spurs a heck of 2nd unit, probably the best in the NBA. (Neal, Manu, Jackson, Bonner and Tiago). The 3 perimeter players are explosive and supper clutch, great for the playoff run.

[Otaku]

Contenders now.

[Drachen]

Stephen Jackson has an expiring contract next year. Where as RJ has a player option after next year. So in 2013 Jackson will be off the books but if we had kept RJ + TJ Ford we would be spending an extra 12 million. Thats the money timvp is talking about.

It does not save us any money next year, which amnestying RJ would have. But people seem to forget that when you use the Amnesty you still have to pay the player it just doesn't count against cap space. The spurs just don't have the kind of cash to do that.

Amnestying RJ would have actually cost us even more money. We would have had to pay the remaining 21M of his contract, plus whatever we pay his replacement.

Instead of doing that, we have an expiring as a HUUUUUGE trading chip next year.

[angelbelow]

Right. But as opposed to Amnestying Rj and having his contract not count against the cap. Sure the Spurs still pay his contract, but it doesn't prevent the Spurs from making moves. The only winners here are the Spurs FO.

There are no FA at the 3 position that would help. Playing the free agency is always a risk when it comes to the Spurs. Batum would be the only player I'm interested in but Batum is going to get his from portland (now that the complication with his extension is traded to the nets.)

SJax is a low risk solution that accomplishes multiple things.
1. We get rid of RJ
2. We clear cap space for the 2013 project.
3. We add a much needed play maker after losing TJ and seeing that we may not be able to count on Manu 100%. IMO, a PF and a play maker are the two biggest holes in our roster. We may have just bolstered our play making department by getting rid of RJ.
4. Holt remains happy.

[Hoops Czar]

You really think the Spurs are going to be doling out loads of cash to FA's after cutting a huge check to RJ and re-signing Duncan?

lol
:lol Did you share this pessimistic view prior to dumping RJ? Didn't think so.

[Nathan89]

Fuck you smartass know it all fuckas who said RJ was unable to be moved and we were stuck with him. In one of my trades you guys mocked was an RJ for Jackson switch and all you dumb pricks laughed. Yep one of my dumb trade scenarios turned out to actually happen. Suck on that you know it all fuckas.

If your trade was Rj to the Bucks and Sjax to the Spurs, then it was a stupid trade.

[therealtruth]

it could be more than $12 million if the Spurs are in luxury tax land... just great move. RJ is somebody's else problem now

We need that money to get more frontcourt help. It's not exactly saving anything except Holt's wallet if he wants to be cheap.

[Hoops Czar]

We need that money to get more frontcourt help. It's not exactly saving anything except Holt's wallet if he wants to be cheap.

Bingo

[therealtruth]

With acquisition of Jackson more than anything it shows Pops confidence in Kawhi as a starter. With Leonard moving to the starting line-up with Green that gives the Spurs a heck of 2nd unit, probably the best in the NBA. (Neal, Manu, Jackson, Bonner and Tiago). The 3 perimeter players are explosive and supper clutch, great for the playoff run.

Pop has said Manu's starting is just a matter of time before it happens. Is SJax going to be OK with a rookie starting over him?

[Trimble87]

Bingo

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that a team that has done everything they could to stay out of the luxury over the years would suddenly be willing to pay someone 20+ million over two years to just go away. Acting as if Holt is a cheap asshole because he doesn't want to do this is insane. The spurs just simply don't have the cash for this to be an option.

So instead of amnestying RJ which doesn't save the FO any money at all. We wait one more year and get the cap space without having to pay RJ. PLUS we get a fan favorite back in SJax. Seems like a win-win to me.

[benefactor]

:lol Did you share this pessimistic view prior to dumping RJ? Didn't think so.
Never really had a view tbh...just wanted him gone by whatever means possible. But thanks for dodging the question.

[SpurPadre]

This trade had to be done but it's too bad we had to give up a 1st round pick instead of a 2nd Rd. pick or that we couldn't get the Warriors to at least give up a 2nd round pick to us as part of the deal. This year's draft is supposed to be deep and who knows if we could've found a steal? Oh well, welcome back Jack.

[ace3g]

Photo gallery:
http://www.nba.com/spurs/photos/120315_jackson

[ElNono]

We need that money to get more frontcourt help. It's not exactly saving anything except Holt's wallet if he wants to be cheap.

That money isn't going to be available until 2013... but that's the point. The Spurs free up that cap space a season earlier...

[Obstructed_View]

Really can't judge this trade completely until you see who the Spurs turn Jack's expiring into next season. If they just let him leave at the end of next season, it's still a win.

[timtonymanu]

Per Manu, Jack will be making his debut next wednesday

Wow that's gotta be the most anticipated day of the season. Bowen's jersey, Jackson's return.

[therealtruth]

That money isn't going to be available until 2013... but that's the point. The Spurs free up that cap space a season earlier...

I think the only way to make use of that money is though a trade. The Spurs will probably still be over the cap or close especially if Duncan gets sthg like 24M/2yr.

[Drachen]

Photo gallery:
http://www.nba.com/spurs/photos/120315_jackson

LOL 9 of 39

[Hoops Czar]

Never really had a view tbh...just wanted him gone by whatever means possible. But thanks for dodging the question.

I don't usually answer rhetorical questions. I'm not a wizard so I won't speculate on Duncan's contract. As for the spurs FO, that all depends on their motives. If they're looking to save money and have given up on winning, no. If they still believe, then yes. I guess the FO answered that question in resounding fashion.

[ace3g]

Alex Kennedy ‏ @AlexKennedyNBA

When called out for issues in MIL, Stephen Jackson would counter that Tim Duncan says he's "the ultimate teammate." Fitting he's back in SA.

[ElNono]

I think the only way to make use of that money is though a trade. The Spurs will probably still be over the cap or close especially if Duncan gets sthg like 24M/2yr.

No. Jackson's contract ends at the end of next season.

RJ's contract ended a season afterwards (if he used his player option, which is likely seeing he was going to get $11 million for it).

Jack basically comes off the books a season earlier. If the Spurs would've kept RJ, they would've had to pay him $11 million on that season. They no longer have that money committed there now, and will become part of the cap space.

[ElNono]

Obviously, if between now and until Jax's contract runs out they decide to trade Jax for players with longer term deals, then that will be that.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

That money isn't going to be available until 2013... but that's the point. The Spurs free up that cap space a season earlier...

...to pay Splitter without tax worries.

[Solid D]

I like the trade but there will be more risk/reward with Jack. More turnovers and risk-taking. More assists and steals, but def more, TOs. Jack can still create his own shot and that makes this a plus move by the Spurs.

[Hoops Czar]

No. Jackson's contract ends at the end of next season.

RJ's contract ended a season afterwards (if he used his player option, which is likely seeing he was going to get $11 million for it).

Jack basically comes off the books a season earlier. If the Spurs would've kept RJ, they would've had to pay him $11 million on that season. They no longer have that money committed there now, and will become part of the cap space.

Amnestying Rj gives the Spurs 10 mil in cap space next year. Now, your talk about waisting another year of Duncan's career. Hope he's as viable in two years as he is now or it really isn't going to matter.

[Spurs Brazil]

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=7693146

Trade deadline winners, losers
Good news for Jefferson, Wallace, Sessions, Batum; bad news for Camby, Foye
Updated: March 15, 2012, 9:16 PM ET
By John Cregan | Special to ESPN.com

Big Winners
Stephen Jackson, SG/SF, San Antonio Spurs: I get all misty-eyed even typing this: Jackson continues his trip down Teams-I-Talked-My-Way-Out-Of-Town-With Lane, landing ultimately on his second NBA squad. With Jackson, the key is his mental well-being, which is why I love this deal for him and his owners. Why? Because he'll be content on a winning veteran club in dire need of some 20-ppg scoring punch, and he'll be playing for a coach who can handle his ups and downs.

Jackson is an underrated fantasy player because of his bad rep and streakiness, but I get the feeling he's about to be on the upswing.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I think the only way to make use of that money is though a trade. The Spurs will probably still be over the cap or close especially if Duncan gets sthg like 24M/2yr.

Or, they could pay and keep Splitter.

[timvp]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/378/stephen-jackson

This to see SJax in silver and black :tu

[ducks]

we all know rj sucks
so atleast pop can not play him to many minitues now

[manufan10]

we all know rj sucks
so atleast pop can not play him to many minitues now

:lol

He can't play him any minutes now.

[Capt Bringdown]

RJ never fit here. He didn't fit on the court. He didn't fit off the court. He didn't fit.

He's a nice guy. He tries to be funny. He pretends he bought into the philosophy. I'm sure he'll thrive somewhere...but it's not in San Antonio.


This.
The effect of a sad-sack/non-competitor such as RJ on team spirit/concept must have been corrosive.
Of course, the Spurs are a classy bunch, so we'll likely never hear about it. But I'm guessing the Spurs locker room has become a much brighter and hopeful place with RJ's departure.

SJAX has earned the respect of Pop and the rest of the crew. That's golden. No matter what, you know SJAX is going to go out there and compete every single night.

I wish I could be there for SJAX first home game. That place is going to be roaring with joy.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/378/stephen-jackson

This to see SJax in silver and black :tu

That looks so awesome.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Really can't judge this trade completely until you see who the Spurs turn Jack's expiring into next season. If they just let him leave at the end of next season, it's still a win.

It's actually two wins already, with the possibility of two more wins for a total of four wins.

1. RJ is gone
2. We can pay Splitter in 2013.

If Jack comes around and we get anything at ALL from him on the floor.
3. That is win three.

Here's a bit of conjecture on the nature of the "conditionality" of the pick. GS really wanted to be in this draft. Their own pick is forfeit from a previous trade if it's after pick #7. If they finish in the bottom four, top 7 is a lock. If they jump up into the top 3 picks in the lottery drawing, it's also a lock. They just traded their best offensive player and their best defensive player to Milwaukee, and got back a player that won't help them at all this year. They are also talking about shutting down Steph Curry for the year because of his recurring ankle problems. If they get their own pick, I think we keep ours. They're going to try REAL hard because it's a much better pick. If this happens...

4. The trade may cost NOTHING.

[Capt Bringdown]

I reckon the only thing that could make me happier would be if the Admiral came back for another playoff run. 47 year old Admiral >>>> Blair

[Bruno]

Details of the protection on the first round pick Spurs send:
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
2012: top 14 protected
2013: top 14 protected
2014: top 14 protected
2015: unprotected

[L.I.T]

Financial considerations aside, Spurs basically traded 2003 Steve Smith for 1999 Mario Elie. I'm incredibly ok with that.

I think most Spurs fans have noticed the limitations of the Spurs in clutch situations. With Bonner and RJeff constantly shrinking in those situations they were down to Manu/TP who could create and Neal to at least stretch the D. Depending on how he fits in, SJax adds a much needed dimension that other teams have to take into consideration.

That's a win already.

[timvp]

Details of the protection on the first round pick Spurs send:
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
2012: top 14 protected
2013: top 14 protected
2014: top 14 protected
2015: unprotected

Not bad. If the Spurs don't make the playoffs the next three seasons, they have more problems to worry about than a draft pick :lol

[T Park]

Financial considerations aside, Spurs basically traded 2003 Steve Smith for 1999 Mario Elie. I'm incredibly ok with that.

I think most Spurs fans have noticed the limitations of the Spurs in clutch situations. With Bonner and RJeff constantly shrinking in those situations they were down to Manu/TP who could create and Neal to at least stretch the D. Depending on how he fits in, SJax adds a much needed dimension that other teams have to take into consideration.

That's a win already.


Damn 03 Smith to 99 Elie is pretty good.....

Good comparison....