Any Popsuckers gonna do some damage control?

[Spurtacular]

He wasn't playing against an NBA team also, he played against Franch team who was in disadvantage 4 out of 5 position on the floor... USA team was heavy favorite to get this one, Pop fucked up it bigtime, always been such a naive and soft coach, he also should have stoped coaching several years ago, right now he's taking Spurs fans as hostages!

Sum of the parts, dude. These AAU flunkies weren't up to the task.

[Play Boban]

:lol Castrated by Serbia now :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Beta male Pop fans gonna stay away from this thread like the plague :lmao

7TH PLACE

[Play Boban]

Beta male Pop fans gonna stay away from this thread like the plague :lmao

7TH PLACE

Is it any guarantee they even beat Poland/Czech Republic tbh? If they lose that they get 8th, and I'm not sure if the prima donas on this team aren't going to fold in their last game. :lol

[Frenchfred]

I guess that too many fans don’t understand that this is a team sport. They should buy a Harden jersey if the only thing they like in basketball is one on one. Big individualities don’t always win. Remember the Lakers with Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Grant and Payton, they were supposed to win it all and they didn’t. Phil Jackson sucks?

[lefty]

CIA Pop helping the country of his parents

[monty4329]

Maybe the league will decide it is time to have a basketball competition again, instead of a teenager-targeted videogame without any organized activity on the floor.

Even fucking Czech Rep plays a better game than team USA.

I am curious if any coach will have the balls to at least try to play some real basketball, having seen how to win games with inferior athletes but a better gameplan.

[Yogatti]

Kemba Walker - 25 PPG / 5 Assist / 4 Rebounds
Donovan Mitchel - 23 PPG / 4 Assist / 4 Rebounds

":crynot enough talent"
":cryPop is so brave to coach these scrubs against the mighty international players like Evan Fournier" :lmao

":cryThis is Trump's fault. Team USA would've played harder if Hilary was the president" :lmao

[Frenchfred]

Kemba Walker - 25 PPG / 5 Assist / 4 Rebounds
Donovan Mitchel - 23 PPG / 4 Assist / 4 Rebounds

":crynot enough talent"
":cryPop is so brave to coach these scrubs against the mighty international players like Evan Fournier" :lmao

":cryThis is Trump's fault. Team USA would've played harder if Hilary was the president" :lmao

Got to love fans who think that winning games is about adding individual stats.

[manufan10]

:lol People acting like Pop lost with LeBron, Kawhi, KD, AD, etc.

[Yogatti]

:lol People acting like Pop lost with LeBron, Kawhi, KD, AD, etc.

Popovich can't beat Team France unless he had Lebron, Kawhi, KD and AD on his team. How far has this guy fallen as a basketball coach. It's time to retire, oldman

[MultiTroll]

SB Nation writer suggesting Fox was told he was going to be cut and thus was given the option of leaving the team.

Hope that's not what happened.
:lol :pop:

[Play Boban]

:lol People acting like Pop lost with LeBron, Kawhi, KD, AD, etc.

I could probably win coaching it I had those 4. Who cares?

[kobyz]

Popovich can't beat Team France unless he had Lebron, Kawhi, KD and AD on his team. How far has this guy fallen as a basketball coach. It's time to retire, oldman

At this point I would say that even with Lebron, Kawhi, KD and AD on the team, if there is one coach who could still lose a gold medal is Pop! Don't underestimate his talent to be a choker and find ways to lose!

[Clipper Nation]

Got to love fans who think that winning games is about adding individual stats.
:lol Team USA should never lose a game when we have NBA players playing. Face it, Pop has been exposed once again without Duncan/Manu/Kawhi carrying him.

[TimDunkem]

:lol Team USA should never lose a game when we have NBA players playing. Face it, Pop has been exposed once again without Duncan/Manu/Kawhi carrying him.

Facts.

[monty4329]

:lol People acting like Pop lost with LeBron, Kawhi, KD, AD, etc.

Did LeBron, Kawhi, KD, AD wore a french shirt? I didn't notice them on the court....I seen a bunch of names never heard before, though, winning the game

[Frenchfred]

:lol Team USA should never lose a game when we have NBA players playing. Face it, Pop has been exposed once again without Duncan/Manu/Kawhi carrying him.

Just amazing the number of coach wannabe on this forum. Glad the front office didn’t listen to people like you or the Spurs would still be chasing their first ring

[Play Boban]

Poop lost to France, who lost in the semifinals. Embarrassing!!! :lmao

[manufan10]

I could probably win coaching it I had those 4. Who cares?

If he lost with those guys then it would be a big deal. He didn't, so it's not.

[Dennis the Menace]

I’m ready for the Becky takeover

[Baelzar]

He's just trying to make the USA look bad because Trump.

[Play Boban]

Starting this season off on the right note tbh :lol

Blown out by the Tragic :lmao

"It's just basketball, look at orange man." :pop:

[jeebus]

Poop's love affair with players who shouldn't even be sniffing the court continues.

We should be applauding Morris for reneging on his deal; he'd get zero playing time :lol

[NASpurs]

Poop's love affair with players who shouldn't even be sniffing the court continues.

We should be applauding Morris for reneging on his deal; he'd get zero playing time :lol

My nigga jeebus calling it as it is. Morris would had Sprewell'ed Pop 5 games into the season after Marco got his minutes.

[Genovaswitness]

sniff sniff sniff sniff

where are the sniffers?

[Chomag]

Time to let the Old Man go, he seems to care more about politics then basketball at this point anyway.

[Degoat]

sniff sniff sniff sniff

where are the sniffers?

theres more to life then basketball lol :bobo

[DMC]

Time to let the Old Man go, he seems to care more about politics then basketball at this point anyway.

I said years ago that Pop would leave like Sloan did, ineffective, old, senile and some young sparkly player handing him his coat. Ego won't let some people die with dignity. Nope, they have to pull that used DRE latex glove from the medical bin and sniff it

[MultiTroll]

SoftLords: "It's only 10 games."

[TheGreatYacht]

Are there still any Popsuckers left? Who is NOT WOKE yet?

[lefty]

Spurs could have had Doncic








:lol Spurms

[Dverde]

Your silence is being heard. So much stuff that cannot be defended. Pop probably trying to talk Parker out of retirement like it’s the players fault.

[spurraider21]

bump

[jeebus]

Solid bump.

[baseline bum]

bump

Season's going great honestly. Keldon is developing into a decent player but not at the cost of blowing games for the tank. Am just disappointed in the first two games tbh.

[spurraider21]

Season's going great honestly. Keldon is developing into a decent player but not at the cost of blowing games for the tank. Am just disappointed in the first two games tbh.
spot on

[Arcadian]

This thread has a special nostalgic charm since it was started within my first year of discovering ST <3

[RC_Drunkford]

damn I didn't know this was going on since 2012 :lol

[Prime BEEF]

damn I didn't know this was going on since 2012 :lol
Damn. No kidding. Hopefully it doesn’t go another 8yrs

[jjktkk]

Old man still coaching like one of the goats.

[spurraider21]

bump

[Darius Bieber]

Not many Popsuckers left tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

1374917281067671553

24 hours after he says this, he plays Luka for 180 seconds :lmao

The seat sniffers and bath water drinkers that said he was doing some CIA shit and showing off Rudy before the deadline are nowhere to be found. He did this exact thing to Lonnie, and folks wonder why he’s timid on the court. First two seasons are a waste, rotting behind Pop’s washed up vets.. and then when it’s time to get on the court you get pulled for making a small mistake.

Fuck this coattail rider. To think that this piece of shit will get credit if Lonnie and Luka shine later in their careers once taken off a leash is disgusting.

[MultiTroll]

Old man still coaching like one of the goats.
Shtikkk are you still here?

[jeebus]

:lmao

Officially the stupidest thread in the history of Spurstalk.

:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

‘Rona failed us.

[RD2191]

Fukin hell, unban my boy SBM and give him mod privileges for dropping this truth nuke years ago.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Any Coach Bud suckers gonna do some damage control?

[TheGreatYacht]

Pride month is officially over. Fart sniffers get in here and defend yalls guy LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

[TimDunkem]

Pride month is officially over. Fart sniffers get in here and defend yalls guy LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

They're already making excuses in the other thread. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

They're already making excuses in the other thread. :lol
:cry its the players fault they lost :cry
:cry Pop only has 10 all stars while Nigeria had the great Chimezu Metu :cry
:cry its only a friendly :cry

[TheGreatYacht]

Coach K lost 1 game as Team USA's coach. Poop has 4 already :lmao

[Budkin]

:lmao

[TimDunkem]

Coach K lost 1 game as Team USA's coach. Poop has 4 already :lmao
Seems problematic. USA winning the gold is not guaranteed by any means with the Crypt Keeper leading the way.

[cd98]

Coach K lost 1 game as Team USA's coach. Poop has 4 already :lmao

In fairness, Coach K had way better teams. The team headed to Japan is not as talented as the ones Coach K had. And the ones Pop had two years ago were easily the least talented team since the US started sending pros.

[TheGreatYacht]

In fairness, Coach K had way better teams. The team headed to Japan is not as talented as the ones Coach K had. And the ones Pop had two years ago were easily the least talented team since the US started sending pros.
Against Chimezie Metu and Mike Brown’s Nigeria though? While you have Kevin Durant, Damian Lillard, Jayson Tatum, Bradley Beal, and Bam Adebayo?

I’ve seen better ball movement coming from Scott Brooks’ teams. No excuse whatsoever for that atrocity we saw last night. Also that late game play call :lol vintage Poop

[cd98]

Against Chimezie Metu and Mike Brown’s Nigeria though? While you have Kevin Durant, Damian Lillard, Jayson Tatum, Bradley Beal, and Bam Adebayo?

I’ve seen better ball movement coming from Scott Brooks’ teams. No excuse whatsoever for that atrocity we saw last night. Also that late game play call :lol vintage Poop

In fairness to me, I didn't see that the US had lost to Nigeria until now. Yes, there is no defending that.

[Teamduncan21]

Against Chimezie Metu and Mike Brown’s Nigeria though? While you have Kevin Durant, Damian Lillard, Jayson Tatum, Bradley Beal, and Bam Adebayo?

I’ve seen better ball movement coming from Scott Brooks’ teams. No excuse whatsoever for that atrocity we saw last night. Also that late game play call :lol vintage Poop


That was Lloyd pierce play. Pop has a fault for allowing it. But that's not his drawn play

[weeks]

fucking pop. you just knew this was gonna happen :drunk:drunk

[RC_Drunkford]

not surprising at all. Went as I expected :wakeup

[TheGreatYacht]

13-5 :lmao

Losing to the wombat :lmao

[Mugen]

:lol Worst coach in the world

[cd98]

Ok so Australia is a very good team with a lot of NBA talent. But yes, you'd think after losing to Nigeria, they would have taken this one personal to send a message. Maybe they just aren't very good. And maybe there is no official leader on this team. There is no one that has taken on the responsibility of being the team leader.

[spurs1990]

It's just a game. This is a wake up call for the guys. There needs to be more competitiveness. - Gregg the coach pop popovich

[poopbox]

Pop been outcoached by Mike fucking Brown and a random Australian dude :cry

Is Becky even around to change his diapers :cry

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

this huge embarrassing failure tells me more about dominoes than popasnitch tbh

[KobesAchilles]

Just wondering but why is there even exhibition games anymore? We should really go back to sending college kids tbh. Pay them like 20k each in sponsoring and 50k if they win gold. Cheaper and really necessary at this point as the pros no longer give a fuck about they Olympics

[Rummpd]

Cannot be happier despise Pop these days as he is a shell of the coach he used to be and so full of himself

[The Truth #6]

Love Pop, but simultaneously hate for him to come back for another year. I’d also hate to see his reputation get dragged through the mud, but this will get interesting.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

what's the venn diagram for
1) people who say coaching at the nba level doesn't matter because the players are so good
2) people who say pops is washed up and needs to go
3) people who say team usa is losing because of pops' coaching

[hater]

:lmao Poop

What an embarrassment

[Chomag]

Some dudes just don't know when It's time to walk away , even when the writing on the wall has been their for awhile now. Just look at Don Nelson , Phil Jackson and to an extent Jerry Sloan. as an example where they tarnished their career at the end.

Pop is getting outcoached by even scrub coaches these days and I really hope Pop doesn't come back.

[cd98]

Team USA being beat in exhibition games by two teams full of NBA players is not an embarrassment. I'm sure Nigeria and Australia will both have deep runs in the Olympics. This is not Angola in 1992. These rosters would give '92 dream team trouble.

[cd98]

Team USA being beat in exhibition games by two teams full of NBA players is not an embarrassment. I'm sure Nigeria and Australia will both have deep runs in the Olympics. This is not Angola in 1992. These rosters would give '92 dream team trouble.&nbsp;

Don't forget that a bunch of college players beat the '92 dream team during exhibitions.

[TheGreatYacht]

what's the venn diagram for
1) people who say coaching at the nba level doesn't matter because the players are so good
2) people who say pops is washed up and needs to go
3) people who say team usa is losing because of pops' coaching
The Venn diagram for
1) people who say today’s NBA players are entitled and selfish
2) people who say the games are closer bc other countries have NBA players
3) people who say Pop can still coach in the NBA if he had top players
is just one big circle lmao :lmao

[hater]

Team USA being beat in exhibition games by two teams full of NBA players is not an embarrassment. I'm sure Nigeria and Australia will both have deep runs in the Olympics. This is not Angola in 1992. These rosters would give '92 dream team trouble.

Lol nigeria and australia re full of nba players????

[cd98]

Lol nigeria and australia re full of nba players????

Nigeria has 8 players that are in the NBA. One of those was a lottery pick and isn't in the NBA right now. Most actually grew up in the United States and played basketball in the United States, including college basketball.

Australia has 7 players and an 8th player projected to go in the lottery.

I think that makes my statement truthful and not something to laugh at.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

The Venn diagram for
1) people who say today’s NBA players are entitled and selfish
2) people who say the games are closer bc other countries have NBA players
3) people who say Pop can still coach in the NBA if he had top players
is just one big circle lmao :lmao

https://i.ibb.co/5TYTszB/venss.png

[Rummpd]

Nigeria has 8 players that are in the NBA. One of those was a lottery pick and isn't in the NBA right now. Most actually grew up in the United States and played basketball in the United States, including college basketball.

Australia has 7 players and an 8th player projected to go in the lottery.

I think that makes my statement truthful and not something to laugh at.

these teams could be considered to rightfully give USA a game for perhaps some of it but come on the bookies had predicted a blow out first game and a commanding win 2nd. Pop and Diva Durant and crew were embarrassed and bottom line there was NO improvement game to game. Now teams have learned just go inside on soft small USA and there likely will be no gold medal with retired in place coach and a flawed but talented squad.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://i.ibb.co/5TYTszB/venss.png
Pop is getting flamed everywhere and that reporter regulated him :lol cope, pussy

[SpurOutofTownFan]

shit this thing is still open

[Chomag]

Worst is game adjustment coach
Worst out of time out play planner
Lol Bryan "Curry" Forbes
There are more important things then basketball...I guess

Guaranteed 2 more years for win record shameless bump.

(Sorry, I had too, but I'm honestly surprised this thread was still open lol)

[playbonner15]

LOL this thread's gonna be 10 years next year

[SAGirl]

No damage control possible when even the anti tankers want to keep losing games at this point.

[The Truth #6]

I’m on the fence about how much losing is a good idea. I want them to compete. I want the players to improve. I don’t think they are tanking, they’re just young. I mean, if we lose because our players aren’t getting better, then that sucks.

[benefactor]

I think SBM is still the only poster I've ever seen here get his whole profile nuked.

[jeebus]

I think SBM is still the only poster I've ever seen here get his whole profile nuked.

What did he do imo?


And Pop in stellar form tonight. Again. That stubborn pile of dog shit will never learn.

[Sugus]

I think SBM is still the only poster I've ever seen here get his whole profile nuked.

It's been two (at least), actually. Dejounte found out some time ago that TheDrewShow's account was banned & nuked too, his comments are all gone/invisible.

Kinda sad tbh, he was a good troll, not always funny but always just wacky enough that you could laugh at him. Wonder what he's up to now.

[Barfunk]

Let Pop get the wins record, but after that it's team #FreeBecky. The only person I'd take coaching over Becky is Ginobili.

[slick'81]

Time to hit the panic button yet?

[BillMc]

Kinda sad tbh, he was a good troll, not always funny but always just wacky enough that you could laugh at him. Wonder what he's up to now.

Wow. Our team is so sad we're even nostalgic for the trolls of the past. :lol

[slick'81]

Losing culture setting in under popovich:wow

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

It's been two (at least), actually. Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) found out some time ago that TheDrewShow (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53364)'s account was banned & nuked too, his comments are all gone/invisible.

Kinda sad tbh, he was a good troll, not always funny but always just wacky enough that you could laugh at him. Wonder what he's up to now.

the Drew show has called into a couple different Spurs related YouTube shows. Dude is strange and very argumentative to say the least. I once heard him called the “at the line” podcast and also Spurstube TV. Both times he got into it with the host. I will not give any nuanced thoughts on what happened but he didn’t come off as too knowledgeable on either show.

He was very entertaining and acted like how he did on this site though.

[RC_Drunkford]

I just hope Pop doesn’t get the record, coaches another year to get it and sends our next lottery pick to the G-League while benching Primo for every little mistake for Bryn Forbes. Maybe then people will realize how full of himself he really is

[BacktoBasics]

the Drew show has called into a couple different Spurs related YouTube shows. Dude is strange and very argumentative to say the least. I once heard him called the “at the line” podcast and also Spurstube TV. Both times he got into it with the host. I will not give any nuanced thoughts on what happened but he didn’t come off as too knowledgeable on either show.

He was very entertaining and acted like how he did on this site though.
He’s a straight up dumb fuck conspiracy nutter. He has no place on this forum let alone in society out in the wild.

[exstatic]

You people wanted the tank, yet cry like little bitches when it’s here.

We were tanking the minute DeRozan was traded.

[slick'81]

You people wanted the tank, yet cry like little bitches when it’s here.

We were tanking the minute DeRozan was traded.

naw, spurs were fucked when kawhi asked out and they chose to build around derozan

[exstatic]

naw, spurs were fucked when kawhi asked out and they chose to build around derozan

I’m not talking about the DeRozan trade here. I’m taking about trading DeRozan to Chicago. The minute that trade went through, we were tanking. Trade your best player, receive ending contracts and picks. We could have had Markkanen with fewer picks, but chose not to. Is any of this sounding familiar?

[BackHome]

Worst is game adjustment coach
Worst out of time out play planner
Lol Bryan "Curry" Forbes
There are more important things then basketball...I guess

Guaranteed 2 more years for win record shameless bump.

(Sorry, I had too, but I'm honestly surprised this thread was still open lol)

Keep hi we desperately need Elite talent we not going to get that talent through free agency so quick your bitching and hope we can get a top 3 pick this year and top 3 the following year.

[Sugus]

Wow. Our team is so sad we're even nostalgic for the trolls of the past. :lol

:lmao you're not wrong here, Bill

To be fair though, I'd swap out half the lame trolls currently on ST for a DrewShow comeback in a heartbeat. Dude was really wacky and creative in his trolling, and always made me laugh one way or another, no canned "Spurs suck and will suck forevah" shticks like we usually see 'round here...


the Drew show has called into a couple different Spurs related YouTube shows. Dude is strange and very argumentative to say the least. I once heard him called the “at the line” podcast and also Spurstube TV. Both times he got into it with the host. I will not give any nuanced thoughts on what happened but he didn’t come off as too knowledgeable on either show.

He was very entertaining and acted like how he did on this site though.

Oooh, I was there for the At The Line call-in! I remember that, what a shit-show. Yeah, it was obvious he wasn't the brightest bulb on the room, I always thought it was a bit of a façade of his persona being all over the place, but after that call I wasn't so sure anymore. In any case, it made his shitposts even funnier tbh.

Entertaining is the word for it. Sad that he's gone.

[BackHome]

I’m not talking about the DeRozan trade here. I’m taking about trading DeRozan to Chicago. The minute that trade went through, we were tanking. Trade your best player, receive ending contracts and picks. We could have had Markkanen with fewer picks, but chose not to. Is any of this sounding familiar?

Markkanen sucks even you said yourself he was as fragile as a China Doll - Again I am all about the tank you wont
here me bitching and hopefully Pop can take one for
the team and we get two top 3 drift picks in the next two drafts - Cause Timmy, David, Manu, Sean, are not going to walk through the door in free agency

[exstatic]

Markkanen sucks even you said yourself he was as fragile as a China Doll - Again I am all about the tank you wont
here me bitching and hopefully Pop can take one for
the team and we get two top 3 drift picks in the next two drafts - Cause Timmy, David, Manu, Sean, are not going to walk through the door in free agency

Markkanen is a better player asset than Aminu and Young. He’s not a difference maker, but if you’re gunning for the playin, you get him and not ending contracts. So, we’re not gunning for the play in. We’re tanking.

[slick'81]

Markkanen is a better player asset than Aminu and Young. He’s not a difference maker, but if you’re gunning for the playin, you get him and not ending contracts. So, we’re not gunning for the play in. We’re tanking.

spurs wanted lauri Chicago said no

[exstatic]

spurs wanted lauri Chicago said no

Not true. They wanted to cut the pick returns, and the Spurs said no.

[baseline bum]

Time to hit the panic button yet?

What kind of season did you think this team was going to have? I think they're a little better than their record indicates because they have had a difficult opening season schedule, but still, were you actually expecting this team to do better after losing DeRozan?

[slick'81]

Not true. They wanted to cut the pick returns, and the Spurs said no.


Markkanen fully expected to be part of the DeMar DeRozan sign-and-trade to the Spurs, but Chicago is believed to have pulled him from the porospal.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263969/Lauri-Markkanen-Fully-Expected-Hed-End-Up-With-Spurs

[slick'81]

What kind of season did you think this team was going to have? I think they're a little better than their record indicates because they have had a difficult opening season schedule, but still, were you actually expecting this team to do better after losing DeRozan?


better? God no,they are playing exactly how the finished down the stretch last season. Unable to literally beat anybody

[offset formation]

:lmao you're not wrong here, Bill

To be fair though, I'd swap out half the lame trolls currently on ST for a DrewShow comeback in a heartbeat. Dude was really wacky and creative in his trolling, and always made me laugh one way or another, no canned "Spurs suck and will suck forevah" shticks like we usually see 'round here...



Oooh, I was there for the At The Line call-in! I remember that, what a shit-show. Yeah, it was obvious he wasn't the brightest bulb on the room, I always thought it was a bit of a façade of his persona being all over the place, but after that call I wasn't so sure anymore. In any case, it made his shitposts even funnier tbh.

Entertaining is the word for it. Sad that he's gone.

DrewShow was the worst poster in the history of this board. AuntFocker was an actual decent troll with occasional good basketball takes.

[Sugus]

DrewShow was the worst poster in the history of this board. AuntFocker was an actual decent troll with occasional good basketball takes.

No way, wasn't even top-3 worst posters here. Dabom existed/exists, that retard M:lolnty exists, and you can hop over to the Political forum and have your fill of easily worse posters than DDS. I haven't come across this AuntFocker mister, so i dunno how "good" a troll he was, but Drew was hilarious once you got the gist of him and didn't take it personal. Came up with the stupidest, wackiest insults and would believe his own shit-takes and double down on them, that's true quality right there, lmao

[exstatic]

Markkanen fully expected to be part of the DeMar DeRozan sign-and-trade to the Spurs, but Chicago is believed to have pulled him from the porospal.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263969/Lauri-Markkanen-Fully-Expected-Hed-End-Up-With-Spurs

…when the Spurs wouldn’t agree to take lesser picks.

[jeebus]

Dragged, kicking and screaming, to the record.

[spurraider21]

may as well get this one warmed up :lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This fucking thread :lol
We are truly back

[SPURt]

Great bump :lol

[baseline bum]

may as well get this one warmed up :lol

Better late than never

[Obstructed_View]

Last year with an extremely young team was Pop's best as a coach. Not having DD or DJM turned out to be a blessing, as neither of those guys has proven to be capable of improving a team. Now the Spurs have Wemby, and Pop is letting him figure things out with his teammates.

This is the best time to be a Spurs fan, and some of the fans are too ignorant to enjoy it.

[playbonner15]

:lol

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol great bump

[TrainOfThought5]

may as well get this one warmed up :lol

I’m currently taking the under on How many games before I see the “Gutless Worms” thread make a come back.

[Barfunk]

Lmao, this and the Gutless Worms thread out 1 game into the season lol

[wildbill2u]

Somehow I'm getting these posts from this thread sent to my email. Does anyone know how to stop it.???

[Obstructed_View]

Hi wildbill. I just wanted to make your phone beep.

[poopbox]

Somebody needs to up the seat sniffer thread to make the cypher complete :rollin

[Pauleta14]

Pop shouldn't "let him figure things out with his teammates"

Pop needs to clearly give priorities and treat Wemby the same way he treated Duncan

DRAW PLAYS FOR HIM

[exstatic]

Pop shouldn't "let him figure things out with his teammates"

Pop needs to clearly give priorities and treat Wemby the same way he treated Duncan

DRAW PLAYS FOR HIM

This isn’t 1997, and Wemby isn’t a post player.

[JeffDuncan]

Pop shouldn't "let him figure things out with his teammates"

Pop needs to clearly give priorities and treat Wemby the same way he treated Duncan

DRAW PLAYS FOR HIM


In other words, Pop should act like a coach. It’s a thought.

[jeebus]

Popsuckers! Mount up!

[vander]

I may be overreacting but it looks to me like Pop is fucking this team up really bad right now.

his "experiments" and this team's complete disorganization on defense would get any other coach a job at Walmart

Wemby isn't going to be like TD/Manu/TP. Wemby is actually going to need a competent coach.

[Kawhi Duncan]

I may be overreacting but it looks to me like Pop is fucking this team up really bad right now.

his "experiments" and this team's complete disorganization on defense would get any other coach a job at Walmart

Wemby isn't going to be like TD/Manu/TP. Wemby is actually going to need a competent coach.
Agreed... Pop is once again out coaching himself and wants to seem like the smartest guy in the room by not doing the obvious thing that needs to be done

[Fizziksman]

should always be in the front page

[Tyronn Lue]

:lol fans trying to coach a goat coach

[jeebus]

Pop bout to give a political speech in the post game presser :claw

[benefactor]

The 2023/2024 lol old man saga continues

[timtonymanu]

Pop bout to give a political speech in the post game presser :claw

“Why doesn’t Wemby get the ball more?

We are in the middle of wars around the world. Basketball isn’t that important. “

Although it will be the usual “safe” questions. Some irrelevant question about Zollins shooting better the last two games. And pop saying his usual “do you guys have questions? I can only do this for one minute.”

[MultiTroll]

Gregg Pop stands by as one of his teachers shows to get the ball to Wemby

https://i.gifer.com/EY8f.mp4
https://i.gifer.com/EY8f.mp4

[stephen jackson]

Lol it is kinda comical how we can’t get wemby the ball

[stephen jackson]

Typical spurs don’t expect anything less

[tbdog]

I do have concerns that we are so bad at defending the three point line for the last couple of years.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Typical spurs don’t expect anything less
and still you continue to watch
are you a masochist?

[RC_Drunkford]

Messina and Udoka are gone. That's why our defense sucks. You can't expect the 70-year old who hates the 3 to come up with the right schemes. Also why is Zach Collins playing drop coverage?

[stephen jackson]

and still you continue to watch
are you a masochist?
Yes I still watch for some reason

[SouthernFryd]

Pop has never been a good coach. My 9 year old nephew could have coached Tim/Robinson/Manu/Parker to 5 rings. You might/could make the argument he's not a bad player/personnel type of guy. But, coach? Nah.

Not being able to bring up the ball with pressure Defense...not being able to make decent entry passes to Wemby...not being able to defend 3 point line...one-and-done offense...

That's all bad coaching.

Pop only looks good, when he has hall-of-famers covering for him. It has always been that way. Ever since he fired Bob Hill the day Robinson came back from injury.

With any other coach, Spurs would have 2 more rings. Well, almost any other coach. Larry Brown woulda traded 2 of the big 3.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Pop has never been a good coach. My 9 year old nephew could have coached Tim/Robinson/Manu/Parker to 5 rings. You might/could make the argument he's not a bad player/personnel type of guy. But, coach? Nah.

Not being able to bring up the ball with pressure Defense...not being able to make decent entry passes to Wemby...not being able to defend 3 point line...one-and-done offense...

That's all bad coaching.

Pop only looks good, when he has hall-of-famers covering for him. It has always been that way. Ever since he fired Bob Hill the day Robinson came back from injury.

With any other coach, Spurs would have 2 more rings. Well, almost any other coach. Larry Brown woulda traded 2 of the big 3.

https://sun9-64.userapi.com/impg/kN7hcwjdFGBxysdY_T632p9vfJ8Kxd-vbL0viw/-HbQ2UEJUnM.jpg?size=700x757&quality=96&sign=d6f834e650728c1a4f0a1ec5504ecbb6&type=album

[tbdog]

I still think 2014 was the greatest coaching job I've ever seen.

[exstatic]

Plenty of coaches have had gobs of talent, and not won a ring. Looking at you, Pringles. You need talent, but it isn’t a guarantee.you have to understand how to use it.

[BacktoBasics]

Pop has never been a good coach. My 9 year old nephew could have coached Tim/Robinson/Manu/Parker to 5 rings. You might/could make the argument he's not a bad player/personnel type of guy. But, coach? Nah.

Not being able to bring up the ball with pressure Defense...not being able to make decent entry passes to Wemby...not being able to defend 3 point line...one-and-done offense...

That's all bad coaching.

Pop only looks good, when he has hall-of-famers covering for him. It has always been that way. Ever since he fired Bob Hill the day Robinson came back from injury.

With any other coach, Spurs would have 2 more rings. Well, almost any other coach. Larry Brown woulda traded 2 of the big 3.

Your 9 year old nephew couldn’t even keep you out of his pants what makes you think he could coach a whole team of adults?

[Splits]

Pop has never been a good coach. My 9 year old nephew could have coached Tim/Robinson/Manu/Parker to 5 rings. You might/could make the argument he's not a bad player/personnel type of guy. But, coach? Nah.

Not being able to bring up the ball with pressure Defense...not being able to make decent entry passes to Wemby...not being able to defend 3 point line...one-and-done offense...

That's all bad coaching.

Pop only looks good, when he has hall-of-famers covering for him. It has always been that way. Ever since he fired Bob Hill the day Robinson came back from injury.

With any other coach, Spurs would have 2 more rings. Well, almost any other coach. Larry Brown woulda traded 2 of the big 3.

Please spare us post 5 and beyond.

[RC_Drunkford]

I still think 2014 was the greatest coaching job I've ever seen.

it was and after that the old man got too full of himself

[tbdog]

it was and after that the old man got too full of himself

The year when we made the playoffs when Leonard didn't even play was great too.

[rascal]

Pop is a genius.

He wants that top 5 draft pick to get his all star pg.

Spurs had a better record last year after 7 games.

[lefty]

Wemby won't tolerate that BS for long, he will bolt as soon as he become a FA

[Kawhi Duncan]

I still think 2014 was the greatest coaching job I've ever seen.

With an offense implemented by his assistant coach

[jeebus]

Pop has never been a good coach. My 9 year old nephew could have coached Tim/Robinson/Manu/Parker to 5 rings. You might/could make the argument he's not a bad player/personnel type of guy. But, coach? Nah.

Not being able to bring up the ball with pressure Defense...not being able to make decent entry passes to Wemby...not being able to defend 3 point line...one-and-done offense...

That's all bad coaching.

Pop only looks good, when he has hall-of-famers covering for him. It has always been that way. Ever since he fired Bob Hill the day Robinson came back from injury.

With any other coach, Spurs would have 2 more rings. Well, almost any other coach. Larry Brown woulda traded 2 of the big 3.

I would say this is Sochan's burner account but they want to pass the ball to Wemby. Could be Tre Jones' burner account.

[Arcadian]

Pop has never been a good coach. My 9 year old nephew could have coached Tim/Robinson/Manu/Parker to 5 rings. You might/could make the argument he's not a bad player/personnel type of guy. But, coach? Nah.

Not being able to bring up the ball with pressure Defense...not being able to make decent entry passes to Wemby...not being able to defend 3 point line...one-and-done offense...

That's all bad coaching.

Pop only looks good, when he has hall-of-famers covering for him. It has always been that way. Ever since he fired Bob Hill the day Robinson came back from injury.

With any other coach, Spurs would have 2 more rings. Well, almost any other coach. Larry Brown woulda traded 2 of the big 3.

Welcome to ST. You'll fit right in here!

People are giving this guy shit, but he's just echoing precisely the same sentiments that this thread was 11 years ago (along with many other posts over the years) :lol

Sure it's a bit on the extreme side. But what is ST if not extreme?

[tim_duncan_fan]

I mean...the team doesn't seem like someone has been preparing them, to be honest. They don't have to win, but they should be expected to look as if they are working off some kind of game plan/strategy or employing specific tactics to try to gain advantages during a game. But no; everything seems to be quite random and undirected, as if the team doesn't have a staff of coaches.

[timtonymanu]

Pop did great in 2014 but that was also a stacked roster where all the pieces fit. And very little defensive liabilities (Parker), It’s even more apparent when you see what our talent/players look like now.

[exstatic]

With an offense implemented by his assistant coach

No, that would be Phil Jackson’s entire career.

[exstatic]

Pop has never been a good coach. My 9 year old nephew could have coached Tim/Robinson/Manu/Parker to 5 rings. You might/could make the argument he's not a bad player/personnel type of guy. But, coach? Nah.

Not being able to bring up the ball with pressure Defense...not being able to make decent entry passes to Wemby...not being able to defend 3 point line...one-and-done offense...

That's all bad coaching.

Pop only looks good, when he has hall-of-famers covering for him. It has always been that way. Ever since he fired Bob Hill the day Robinson came back from injury.

With any other coach, Spurs would have 2 more rings. Well, almost any other coach. Larry Brown woulda traded 2 of the big 3.

Pop didn’t fire Bob Hill, David,Sean, and Avery did.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the apologists/homers, who thought the Spurs youth (but not other rebuilding teams, of course) would show linear progression, the genius would wave his magic wand and voila, they'd be competent on defense and competitive again.

Shockingly, it turns out not having a primary creator and having a PF who can't shoot masquerade as one leads to an untenable half court offense . . . and no, it's not just something that'll improve with experience and not only might it not help him down the line, it might destroy his confidence in the process.

The reality is, this team has two keepers at the moment (obviously Wembanyama and Vassell, who's ceiling is probably third option on a contender).

That doesn't mean the book is closed on others, but this is not going to be as simple as drafting a PG and they're set.

[jeebus]

Giving Poop a 5 year, $80+ million extension to have him de-motivate players and let the team get ass fucked nightly :lmao

[GAustex]

Giving Poop a 5 year, $80+ million extension to have him de-motivate players and let the team get ass fucked nightly :lmao

[SayTown]

This roster is constructed horrendously, just a mishmash hodge podge of pieces that don't fit.

[Mugen]

b2b seasons of historically terrible defense from a supposed defensive minded coach tbh. Those 2000s to early 2010s schemes haven't been relevant for years as evidenced by the team getting absolutely torched from 3 night in, night out every single season :lol

The game just passes you by, see Belichick about to get fired in New England if you need further proof tbh :lol

[TekXX]

Pop needs to get over himself and start earning that title "great coach" that supposedly his peers consider him.

[Marcus Bryant]

Lol this thread.

Bob Hill still has fans, I guess.

[J_Paco]

Lol this thread.

Bob Hill still has fans, I guess.

The hate boners are out in full force again (and again and again) for Popovich.

The team is bad, inconsistent and still needs further injections of high - end prospects. We only have one - maybe two or three (if Sochan pans out) - while most 'bad' teams have a lot more.

Spurs should be on the phone between now and February with Orlando about one or more of Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, and/or Cole Anthony, IMO.

[TD 21]

The hate boners are out in full force again (and again and again) for Popovich.

The team is bad, inconsistent and still needs further injections of high - end prospects. We only have one - maybe two or three (if Sochan pans out) - while most 'bad' teams have a lot more.

Spurs should be on the phone between now and February with Orlando about one or more of Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, and/or Cole Anthony, IMO.

Still, for all the undue credit he receives, it's only right he gets some blame to balance it out.

The front office has repeatedly drafted players with a defensive reputation and just got the highest ceiling defensive prospect ever, yet can't even graduate from terrible to run of the mill bad?

Meanwhile, they lack any semblance of dynamism offensively to offset it.

As ever, the team is full of players who lack impressive physical tools and are midrange pull-up fiends, which is being enabled because he literally runs ATO's for it.

[stephen jackson]

Crazy were really bad

[MultiTroll]

Still, for all the undue credit he receives, it's only right he gets some blame to balance it out.

The front office has repeatedly drafted players with a defensive reputation and just got the highest ceiling defensive prospect ever, yet can't even graduate from terrible to run of the mill bad?

Meanwhile, they lack any semblance of dynamism offensively to offset it.

As ever, the team is full of players who lack impressive physical tools and are midrange pull-up fiends, which is being enabled because he literally runs ATO's for it.


https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.31e841c3db492b15c51b90d079e8f395?rik=QYVx4xb2VmF GAw&pid=ImgRaw&r=0 Pops strategies this year are the best thing Wemby could ever hope for.

[Obstructed_View]

Pop did great in 2014 but that was also a stacked roster where all the pieces fit. And very little defensive liabilities (Parker), It’s even more apparent when you see what our talent/players look like now.
Amazing what happens when you finally play your Euroleague MVP that you inexplicably kept on the bench for years.

[Obstructed_View]

Dribbler gets past defender, slows down. Spurs defender stands behind dribbler trying not to foul. Help defender shows weakly, corner defenders sag down. Result is a floater, a wide open three, or a missed layup and a putback dunk. Rinse and repeat. If there is a miss, the Spurs are about 50 50 to secure the rebound and about 50 50 not to foul. The foul is an and one about a third of the time. That equals a lot of points given up.

[Chomag]

Dribbler gets past defender, slows down. Spurs defender stands behind dribbler trying not to foul. Help defender shows weakly, corner defenders sag down. Result is a floater, a wide open three, or a missed layup and a putback dunk. Rinse and repeat. If there is a miss, the Spurs are about 50 50 to secure the rebound and about 50 50 not to foul. The foul is an and one about a third of the time. That equals a lot of points given up.

Exactly, but the question is who is at fault of this. Is it all on the players, or are they not well coached?

[NASpurs]

I've been asking, wtf has this team been doing in training camp for the past few years. Probably watching documentaries.

[Obstructed_View]

Exactly, but the question is who is at fault of this. Is it all on the players, or are they not well coached?
Really good teams have started seasons poorly. Far better teams have started worse. We haven't even established what position Victor is supposed to play. People keep trying to turn him into Tim Duncan, which is precisely not what he does. The Spurs were a far better team before the fans started expressing their opinions. Half the fan base shits on Sochan for six months and then start a thread wondering what's up with him.

If we are gonna blame anyone right now, I blame the spoiled fans who didn't watch any games last year and now treat the youngest team in the league the same way they treated title teams. I wouldn't want to give effort for you fucking idiots either.

[spurraider21]

Exactly, but the question is who is at fault of this. Is it all on the players, or are they not well coached?
its both

but the idea that last year they simply weren't being coached to play defense, and all the talk of "this year we are emphasizing defense" is falling flat. we already knew a lot of these players were limited defenders. but schematically, there's nothing they're doing that seems right either. even Victor's defense has been less impactful last couple of games, and frankly, he looks disinterested on that end right now

guys being physically limited defensively doesnt account for the awful rotations, multiple guys leaving their assignments to overhelp, no boxing out. im not sure what pop is bringing to the table

[JeffDuncan]

Exactly, but the question is who is at fault of this. Is it all on the players, or are they not well coached?


It’s the coaching, or the lack thereof. Even an unathletic idiot can be taught to stand in the right spot. The Spurs players are constantly in the wrong place.

[The Truth #6]

Young players seem to have difficulty understanding (or caring tbh) about defensive rotations. Pop might be simplifying but if so that's obviously not working either. It's very weird. Pop has mellowed with age and being confronted with the real NBA (thanks, Kawhi) has taken away some of his bite. I'm curious if he is simply trying to accumulate young talent for the next coach or is so cautious with not screwing up Wemby that he's screwing up Wemby.

I expected bad this year but not somehow worse.

Part of me jokes that Pop is letting Wemby have an Amish Rumspringa, so to speak, where he gets no rules and can do whatever he wants so that Wemby will learn himself what works and doesn't work and then come back into the fold. I prefer that to Pop not having any plan as far as when he wants to start coaching again.

[tim_duncan_fan]

The coaching is bad. It has been like this for years with no acknowledgement, let alone attempts to do better.

A post from 2020:


No-names and up-and-comers will continue to get their career highs against us because we "help" on defense like 8 yards away from the 3 point line. Just to not stop whoever was attacking the paint anyway lol

[spurraider21]

pop signed a 5 year deal. its not about the next coach. frankly im confused as to what he's trying to accomplish

sure, are young guys excited to learn about defensive rotations? probably not. but thats your job as a coach. to get them to buy in, or play somebody ahead of them who will. this is why you usually see fans frustrated about why they dont "just play the young guy" all the time.

and other than wemby, none of these guys out there are rookies.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

It's obnoxious.

[Cry Havoc]

I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

It's obnoxious.

Oh no. You're tired.

[MultiTroll]

I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

It's obnoxious.
You'll have to just take it for what it is.
In all likelyhood for 5 more years at the least.

Pop has a cult following and with all his slurpers including ownership he's never going to be held to account imo.
5 Rings? Tim Duncan.
Popped without Duncan? Ya, we see what's happening.

[baseline bum]

I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

It's obnoxious.

Because he said he didn't know how to stop the Knicks in the interview last night?

[GAustex]

The team seems to be purposeless
Young team is part to blame
Coach is part too

[exstatic]

I am also tired of Pop being terse and curt with the media. You don't get to act like everyone asks you too many dumb, obvious questions when you never show that you have any answers to on-court problems.

It's obnoxious.

Pop hasn't been that guy in two seasons.

[RC_Drunkford]

I've been asking, wtf has this team been doing in training camp for the past few years. Probably watching documentaries.

:pop: „look at these penguins. That‘s how y’all gotta be“

[J_Paco]

Still, for all the undue credit he receives, it's only right he gets some blame to balance it out.

The front office has repeatedly drafted players with a defensive reputation and just got the highest ceiling defensive prospect ever, yet can't even graduate from terrible to run of the mill bad?

Meanwhile, they lack any semblance of dynamism offensively to offset it.

As ever, the team is full of players who lack impressive physical tools and are midrange pull-up fiends, which is being enabled because he literally runs ATO's for it.

I totally agree with all this, brother. It's extremely discouraging that there seems to be no 'good' or improved gameplay since last season. I'm not gonna disagree with any of that.

And I also understand people's frustrations with Pop pulling a'Doc Rivers' and being unwilling to switch up this poorly performing/fitting starting lineup.

I think (if he can get his shooting touch back inserting Champagnie and Jones into the starting rotation, bringing both Sochan & Johnson off the bench (if Keldon doesn't want to be a 6th man then bye bye), while removing McDermott completely (use him young a younger 'Steve Kerr' type gunner sparingly), and platooning Graham & Wesley all would make more sense.

Hopefully, Pop realizes this at some point and stops worrying about 'hurting' Keldon or Jeremy's feelings.

[poopbox]

Really good teams have started seasons poorly. Far better teams have started worse. We haven't even established what position Victor is supposed to play. People keep trying to turn him into Tim Duncan, which is precisely not what he does. The Spurs were a far better team before the fans started expressing their opinions. Half the fan base shits on Sochan for six months and then start a thread wondering what's up with him.

If we are gonna blame anyone right now, I blame the spoiled fans who didn't watch any games last year and now treat the youngest team in the league the same way they treated title teams. I wouldn't want to give effort for you fucking idiots either.

Plenty of "youngest teams in the league" have been young and not historically bad on defense for two seasons. The climb from historically bad to good enough to be a good team is probably to steep.

[MultiTroll]

Does basic strategy one learned when 8 years old really require millionaire rookies, many of whom went to major colleges to have some ridiculous learning curve?
Thus justifying this years thus far crap show.

I call b.s.

[exstatic]

Plenty of "youngest teams in the league" have been young and not historically bad on defense for two seasons. The climb from historically bad to good enough to be a good team is probably to steep.

One season and 8 games.

[rjv]

One season and 8 games.


i saw that; that's quite a round up.

[exstatic]

i saw that; that's quite a round up.

The drama...

[tim_duncan_fan]

Does basic strategy one learned when 8 years old really require millionaire rookies, many of whom went to major colleges to have some ridiculous learning curve?
Thus justifying this years thus far crap show.

I call b.s.

It comes down to the team being either slow (physically, at the least) or not getting instruction from the coaches.


Seeing something wrong and not doing anything about it...it's like the team has the Dantoni/Dolan virus.

[poopbox]

One season and 8 games.

You think it's going to get better :rollin

[MultiTroll]

You think it's going to get better :rollin
If Pop somehow happens on to 2 additional HOFs and All Star role players to go with Wemby he may be able to duplicate the coat tailing of Duncan.
That's what it's going to take.
If not the drought will continue for at least 5 more years.

[TimmyBuckets]

Pop is doing everything correctly if the goal is to tank.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

The goal isn't to tank but it's not to won either. Pop is seeing and developing what they got. FO's job is to secure massive talent upgrade needed around wemby

[TimmyBuckets]

The goal isn't to tank but it's not to won either. Pop is seeing and developing what they got. FO's job is to secure massive talent upgrade needed around wemby

Hence the tanking. They know they need to draft talent.

[DAF86]

It's frustrating to know the Spurs should be a lot better if Pop actually decided to coach for real.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Sean said during the broadcast that Pop said they are "just observing" Vic, implying that they aren't influencing the way he plays yet.

[exstatic]

It's frustrating to know the Spurs should be a lot better if Pop actually decided to coach for real.

It’s frustrating to see people who are like five years old and don’t understand that short term goals sometimes should be sacrificed for long term goals.

[rascal]

[/B]
Hence the tanking. They know they need to draft talent.

Drafting in the teens and twenties will get you the same caliber players that the Spurs have now.

Finding late draft pick talent like Parker and Manu won't be easy to pull off again.

[SouthernFryd]

After watching 8 Spurs games and basketball for the last 50 years...I would say this is one of the worst coached basketball teams I've ever seen at the pro level.

The talent they do have, is floundering with no direction. I feel for the players. But, not too much...they're getting paid millions to put up with it.

The fans are the ones who are really getting the shaft in all this.

[MultiTroll]

After watching 8 Spurs games and basketball for the last 50 years...I would say this is one of the worst coached basketball teams I've ever seen at the pro level.

The talent they do have, is floundering with no direction. I feel for the players. But, not too much...they're getting paid millions to put up with it.

The fans are the ones who are really getting the shaft in all this.
Rack it.

Serious Q:
Is there a worse coach in the NBA right now?

[vander]

Sean said during the broadcast that Pop said they are "just observing" Vic, implying that they aren't influencing the way he plays yet.

I think he's just observing the rest of the team as well

[MultiTroll]

I think he's just observing the rest of the team as well
Job listing.
"Senior citizen wanted for long periods of observing, travel. Must be able to sit for long stretches and take airplane rides, with or without Depends."

[RC_Drunkford]

It's frustrating to know the Spurs should be a lot better if Pop actually decided to coach for real.

or if he would gtfoh

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

After watching 8 Spurs games and basketball for the last 50 years...I would say this is one of the worst coached basketball teams I've ever seen at the pro level.

The talent they do have, is floundering with no direction. I feel for the players. But, not too much...they're getting paid millions to put up with it.

The fans are the ones who are really getting the shaft in all this.


That sums it up.

[DAF86]

It’s frustrating to see people who are like five years old and don’t understand that short term goals sometimes should be sacrificed for long term goals.

It's frustrating to read folks that justify just about everything the management does.

[exstatic]

It's frustrating to read folks that justify just about everything the management does.

Yes, because they know nothing about player development or team building. :rolleyes

I’m surprised that there is anyone left posting here. Surely,NBA front offices should be snapping all of you people who are smarter than PATFO up, and offering you jobs.

[spurraider21]

Yes, because they know nothing about player development or team building. :rolleyes

I’m surprised that there is anyone left posting here. Surely,NBA front offices should be snapping all of you people who are smarter than PATFO up, and offering you jobs.
guy who makes account on forums for all 30 teams and just says "everything they are doing is right" in every thread

[TekXX]

It doesn't matter where we draft, Pop is going to reach for projects and bypass the obvious talent

[superbigtime]

he stinks. who is a sorrier coach right now

[Obstructed_View]

Sean said during the broadcast that Pop said they are "just observing" Vic, implying that they aren't influencing the way he plays yet.
Here is why this seems brilliant. Vic has a high BBIQ and wants to win. He also is used to being the superstar on every team he has ever been on and has always been the best player on any court. The best way to get him on board with honest evaluations might to let him get frustrated. Also, it's important to see what he does well. An ironic example is that he is the best high-low passer on the squad.

I'm not saying this is what Pop is doing, but if he were a good coach, this is what he should be doing.

[exstatic]

It doesn't matter where we draft, Pop is going to reach for projects and bypass the obvious talent

Right, because Victor Wembanyama isn’t on our squad, because we passed on him.

In the last four drafts, with lottery picks, we did that exactly once.

[Obstructed_View]

Right, because Victor Wembanyama isn’t on our squad, because we passed on him.

In the last four drafts, with lottery picks, we did that exactly once.
It's amazing. The Spurs pull gem after gem in the draft. At least the retard wing of Spurs fans have forgotten to criticize Brian Wright.

[Seventyniner]

It's amazing. The Spurs pull gem after gem in the draft. At least the retard wing of Spurs fans have forgotten to criticize Brian Wright.

The ones expecting Wright to hit on every single pick still pop their heads up every now and then.

"but but but Lonnie and Samanic and Primo"

Though it's hard to disentangle the drafting process from player development. Personally I think the Spurs are okay to good at drafting and great at player development.

[spurraider21]

i dont really have a problem with the lonnie pick. didnt work out, sometimes that happens

samanic and primo picks were bad instantly

like, i dont think LJC was inherently a bad pick. he got unlucky with injuries. but milutinov pick never made sense.

its context specific, not just a question of whether or not the pick panned out

[MultiTroll]

Here is why this seems brilliant. Vic has a high BBIQ and wants to win. He also is used to being the superstar on every team he has ever been on and has always been the best player on any court. The best way to get him on board with honest evaluations might to let him get frustrated.
Let me get this straight.
You're proposing don't throw him wide open lobs / reward sprint aheads where he's beating everyone down the court so that he can get frustrated and thus be better evaluated?

:lmao

[tim_duncan_fan]

Let me get this straight.
You're proposing don't throw him wide open lobs / reward sprint aheads where he's beating everyone down the court so that he can get frustrated and thus be better evaluated?

:lmao

I think he is saying "let the NBA help him get over himself while we figure out what's good and what needs work".

That's not a bad argument, but I am still going to be annoyed about the walk-up threes early in the clock on a non-rebounding team from a 30% shooter and the insistence on not being near the rim in general on offense until the moment he figures these things out..

[Sugus]

i dont really have a problem with the lonnie pick. didnt work out, sometimes that happens

samanic and primo picks were bad instantly

like, i dont think LJC was inherently a bad pick. he got unlucky with injuries. but milutinov pick never made sense.

its context specific, not just a question of whether or not the pick panned out

Why would you say it's context specific, then declare Milutinov pick (which had a specific reason - not spending money on a player at that moment) not making any sense? That's ambivalent.

Same with the others. Primo I get, but Luka? He had great physical tools, an intriguing toolset, and one of the FO higher-ups had scouted him in Europe. That's hard from a bad pick at what, #17? #15? You can go through the last 10 drafts and see actual bad picks there.

Luka just had to care. He never learned to, and was cut. Same way many, many prospects "just need to learn to shoot" or "just need to learn to play good defense" and just never do. That doesn't make a bad pick (to be clear, a bad pick would be taking them anyway, without the existence of a clear potential "good scenario"). Some people get it, and some never do, and you just can't know it when you're drafting rookies with no college experience. They're 18 or 19yo, what the hell do they know about life? Much less how they themselves will grow to play.

Blame the NBA drafting system and the going away from college experience model, if you feel like pointing fingers. Show me the last pick who had 4 years of college play to learn and grow, and never hustled or cared, but was drafted anyway. Sure wasn't Luka's story...

[spurraider21]

Why would you say it's context specific, then declare Milutinov pick (which had a specific reason - not spending money on a player at that moment) not making any sense? That's ambivalent.

Same with the others. Primo I get, but Luka? He had great physical tools, an intriguing toolset, and one of the FO higher-ups had scouted him in Europe. That's hard from a bad pick at what, #17? #15? You can go through the last 10 drafts and see actual bad picks there.
if we are going to say "not spending money" as a legitimate purpose to drafting a certain player, then the solution is to trade the pick, not take a player who had a very slim chance of over making it over, and also having a very limited skill set in the modern nba

as for samanic, it was kind of just a wild reach on a guy who many saw as a 2nd round prospect. his skill set was intriguing but was very much a project pick

[Sugus]

if we are going to say "not spending money" as a legitimate purpose to drafting a certain player, then the solution is to trade the pick, not take a player who had a very slim chance of over making it over, and also having a very limited skill set in the modern nba

as for samanic, it was kind of just a wild reach on a guy who many saw as a 2nd round prospect. his skill set was intriguing but was very much a project pick

Good point, to which I counter-argue, there's only a trade if two parts want one. We don't know if, and how hard, they tried trading the pick at the time. But I hardly care about that, it was just an example to prove my point - a pick that has a thinking behind it, is only a bad pick insofar as the thinking behind it is bad or flawed. Seeing as the Spurs really were cash-strapped at the time, you can at least understand it. It's not a "let's take Ayton over Luka because he's Phoenix-born and raised" type of flawed thinking scenario.

Re. Sammich, well, again, what may be "wild" or "dumb" to us fans, can be the exact opposite on the eyes of the FO - a professional, dedicated to basketball, front office. We know for a fact Luka was scouted heavily by RC, so why do you call it a "wild reach"? The Spurs were clearly planning on it (they even took him with their first pick, having Keldon miraculously fall to their laps anyway - that was a lucky pick). I don't care how many people (you mean people on here? the lowest of the low in terms of actual analysis? :lol).

Of course he was a project pick. That was like, the whole plan, which is again my point. Having a plan and it not working out in the end =///= throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. The Spurs, by all accounts, tend to operate on the former, and it's mostly dwellers on here, who cannot understand the workings of a FO, that insist and triple-down on everything being caused by stupidity or ineptness.

At the end of the day, 5 rings speak for themselves, and yet look at the title of the thread we're in. Some people just can't tell up from down in this life (not meaning you ofc, unless you also happen to be the OP of this thread...).

[spurraider21]

Good point, to which I counter-argue, there's only a trade if two parts want one. We don't know if, and how hard, they tried trading the pick at the time. But I hardly care about that, it was just an example to prove my point - a pick that has a thinking behind it, is only a bad pick insofar as the thinking behind it is bad or flawed. Seeing as the Spurs really were cash-strapped at the time, you can at least understand it. It's not a "let's take Ayton over Luka because he's Phoenix-born and raised" type of flawed thinking scenario.

Re. Sammich, well, again, what may be "wild" or "dumb" to us fans, can be the exact opposite on the eyes of the FO - a professional, dedicated to basketball, front office. We know for a fact Luka was scouted heavily by RC, so why do you call it a "wild reach"? The Spurs were clearly planning on it (they even took him with their first pick, having Keldon miraculously fall to their laps anyway - that was a lucky pick). I don't care how many people (you mean people on here? the lowest of the low in terms of actual analysis? :lol).

Of course he was a project pick. That was like, the whole plan, which is again my point. Having a plan and it not working out in the end =///= throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. The Spurs, by all accounts, tend to operate on the former, and it's mostly dwellers on here, who cannot understand the workings of a FO, that insist and triple-down on everything being caused by stupidity or ineptness.

At the end of the day, 5 rings speak for themselves, and yet look at the title of the thread we're in. Some people just can't tell up from down in this life (not meaning you ofc, unless you also happen to be the OP of this thread...).
eh if we're all just gonna go around and say "well im sure they know better than me" then theres really no point in being on a forum. we can all read news about transactions, can all read box scores, etc. we're here to give takes. none of us here claim to be pros

[MultiTroll]

eh if we're all just gonna go around and say "well im sure they know better than me" then theres really no point in being on a forum. we can all read news about transactions, can all read box scores, etc. we're here to give takes. none of us here claim to be pros
yep.
And the PoP hAz 5 rInGz noise.
Duncan.

Popped has 1 ring in the last 16 years.

[Obstructed_View]

Let me get this straight.
You're proposing don't throw him wide open lobs / reward sprint aheads where he's beating everyone down the court so that he can get frustrated and thus be better evaluated?

:lmao
:lol It's funny that you start a post with "let me get this straight" and then completely miss what I said. Classic Fabbs.

They do miss him on lobs, but that likely isn't deliberate. Victor sucks at establishing position and drawing or avoiding contact in the low block. In fact, he is far better as the high man than the low man so far. Once Vic knows what he us and is not good at, they can work to improve him. It's a whole new world under the basket for him.

[Obstructed_View]

The ones expecting Wright to hit on every single pick still pop their heads up every now and then.

"but but but Lonnie and Samanic and Primo"

Though it's hard to disentangle the drafting process from player development. Personally I think the Spurs are okay to good at drafting and great at player development.
As SR21 said, I like the Lonnie pick. He had value and is clearly an NBA player. Just didn't work out. Samanic was a home run swing like Wesley was. Again, I don't hate it. Primo was a reach but nobody knew he was a perv. The Spurs have a pretty impressive young lineup that came exclusively from the draft.

[exstatic]

if we are going to say "not spending money" as a legitimate purpose to drafting a certain player, then the solution is to trade the pick, not take a player who had a very slim chance of over making it over, and also having a very limited skill set in the modern nba

as for samanic, it was kind of just a wild reach on a guy who many saw as a 2nd round prospect. his skill set was intriguing but was very much a project pick

A wild reach at #19 isn’t a fail if it doesn’t pan out, especially if you hit at#29 Later in the same draft. You cannot always play it safe in the draft,or your team will get stuck on the 30-35 win treadmill. You’ve got to take a big swing once in awhile,even if you miss.

[MultiTroll]

:lol It's funny that you start a post with "let me get this straight" and then completely miss what I said. Classic Fabbs.

They do miss him on lobs, but that likely isn't deliberate.
Not sure where you're attempting to Strawman this, but to the point what is it then iyo?

[Obstructed_View]

Luka is projected, based on his numbers, to play far better then he actually does. That fits with the beliefs about him before the draft as well as how he panned out: super talented lazy bonehead. If he suddenly figures it out tomorrow he will have a great year with the Jazz.

[Obstructed_View]

Not sure where you're attempting to Strawman this, but to the point what is it then iyo?
Um what? You're such a retard it's difficult to understand your point. You talk in circles and declare victory. Again, classic Fabbs. You brought up lobs. I tried to respond to what was kind of a strawman from you in order to try to address what you brought up, even though it wasn't relevant. Then you project and act like an ass.

The point is, you're just too difficult to have a conversation with and I made an effort anyway and you were a twat, yet again. You're apparently too fucking dumb to even realize why nobody likes you and you only post to pontificate about opinions you won't ever move from. It's easier to go back to ignoring you.

[spurraider21]

A wild reach at #19 isn’t a fail if it doesn’t pan out
disagree, and i dont think qualifiers really change the analysis

[SpurSpike]

Lonnie seems to be doing well these days, we gave up on him too early imo.



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[Obstructed_View]

Lonnie seems to be doing well these days, we gave up on him too early imo.



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Um, no. His defense is abysmal. The Spurs defense is struggling historically and Lonnie would be the worst defender on the squad.

[Obstructed_View]

disagree, and i dont think qualifiers really change the analysis
The Spurs either needed a stud or they needed the roster spot. That's why it wasn't a fail. The guy they wanted fell to their second pick. The bad part was that Luka turned into a lunkhead before he could be offloaded for some value. You still have to swing for talent once in a while.

[MultiTroll]

Um what? You're such a retard it's difficult to understand your point. You talk in circles and declare victory. Again, classic Fabbs. You brought up lobs. I tried to respond to what was kind of a strawman from you in order to try to address what you brought up, even though it wasn't relevant. Then you project and act like an ass.

The point is, you're just too difficult to have a conversation with and I made an effort anyway and you were a twat, yet again. You're apparently too fucking dumb to even realize why nobody likes you and you only post to pontificate about opinions you won't ever move from. It's easier to go back to ignoring you.��
Whal a projection cop out. :lmao
You're busted on the Lobs point and so bail.

Try sticking to the basketball point(s) and save the schoolgirl pms Strawman dances for like minded.

[RC_Drunkford]

Lonnie seems to be doing well these days, we gave up on him too early imo.



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not really, a lot of us said he might succeed under another coach. Pop broke his confidence.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

eh if we're all just gonna go around and say "well im sure they know better than me" then theres really no point in being on a forum. we can all read news about transactions, can all read box scores, etc. we're here to give takes. none of us here claim to be pros

Sure but at the same time you see a whole bunch of people talking about how they have watched for x amount of time or the like establishing their own authority. If all you have is your opinion without grounds, whose authority is above the mouthbreathers ehre no matter how much they watch?

It would be great if they were talking about basketball on the court because to me it is obvious that the defensive rotations are a heck of a lot better as are the pickups and technique in transition. Individual players and lineups are playing better. That stats are clear on that.

Instead we get whining about cherry picked events and bias to anything else. It reads just like trolling to me tbh. At the same time, if you are going to take it straight at least do not ignore the 400 lbs gorilla in the room.

[Obstructed_View]

https://youtu.be/CtuEm0XSL9Y

[spurraider21]

a lot of this looks like the clips from the pacers/knicks game from the other thread as well, particularly with the overhelping, unnecessary crowding of the paint, and the lack of rotations BEFORE the pass is made. if players are only going to start rotating/reacting after a pass is made, they're screwed. ball is faster than the player.

this guy also pointed out schematic issues as far as switches. im skeptical that they'd actually want collins to be switching onto guards, and having somebody like vassell switch onto bam... but he's right that wemby/keldon/vassell/sochan, etc should be switching everything unless its just a piss poor screen that the primary defender can beat

to be fair, collins was basically a PF who played alongside poeltl. his mobility as a big is supposed to be one of his positive attributes, so push comes to shove, he should switch if its not too early in the shot clock

[scott]

^^^ Great video, thanks for sharing.

Man, our PnR defense is so bad. Feels like we're getting Stockton-to-Malone'd every game, but it's actually just our inability to deal with screens and switch correctly.

[JeffDuncan]

[youtube video]


When Pop said he wasn’t coaching Victor he neglected to add that he wasn’t coaching anybody.

[spurraider21]

^^^ Great video, thanks for sharing.

Man, our PnR defense is so bad. Feels like we're getting Stockton-to-Malone'd every game, but it's actually just our inability to deal with screens and switch correctly.
reminds me of the genius to let nash/amare destroy us on the pick and roll due to the fear of raja bell or leo barbosa beating us

[RC_Drunkford]

I really wonder what Pop is teaching these guys in practice

[Obstructed_View]

a lot of this looks like the clips from the pacers/knicks game from the other thread as well, particularly with the overhelping, unnecessary crowding of the paint, and the lack of rotations BEFORE the pass is made. if players are only going to start rotating/reacting after a pass is made, they're screwed. ball is faster than the player.

this guy also pointed out schematic issues as far as switches. im skeptical that they'd actually want collins to be switching onto guards, and having somebody like vassell switch onto bam... but he's right that wemby/keldon/vassell/sochan, etc should be switching everything unless its just a piss poor screen that the primary defender can beat

to be fair, collins was basically a PF who played alongside poeltl. his mobility as a big is supposed to be one of his positive attributes, so push comes to shove, he should switch if its not too early in the shot clock
But they back off into no-man's land, so they can't defend the midrange, can't defend the drive, and can't recover to defend the three. And they do it 100 times a game. It's why I keep turning off games.

[Obstructed_View]

reminds me of the genius to let nash/amare destroy us on the pick and roll due to the fear of raja bell or leo barbosa beating us
That strategy worked. Better off giving up twos than threes.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://youtu.be/CtuEm0XSL9Y
exstatic curious to hear your sniffer excuse for that kind of "defense"

[spurraider21]

That strategy worked. Better off giving up twos than threes.
eh, it worked because the spurs were able to slow the games down against them and prevent too many transition 3's, and we murdered them on the glass. but in the half court those guys were scorching us, especially in 2005. in the playoffs amare averaged 37 on 55% shooting which is functionally the same as giving up 36-37% from 3.

in 07 suns were dumb enough to try to play kurt thomas big minutes to slow duncan, which rarely worked, and came at the expense of their offense, and slowed the game down further. plus the whole hipcheck thing

i always thought the spurs made it harder on themselves than they needed to against them

[Obstructed_View]

eh, it worked because the spurs were able to slow the games down against them and prevent too many transition 3's, and we murdered them on the glass. but in the half court those guys were scorching us, especially in 2005. in the playoffs amare averaged 37 on 55% shooting which is functionally the same as giving up 36-37% from 3.

in 07 suns were dumb enough to try to play kurt thomas big minutes to slow duncan, which rarely worked, and came at the expense of their offense, and slowed the game down further. plus the whole hipcheck thing

i always thought the spurs made it harder on themselves than they needed to against them
Given the pace, Amare couldn't score enough points to make up for the lack of threes and nobody had to double. Duncan was never in foul trouble and his plus minus was the difference. Always felt easy to me. KT played excellent post defense on Timmy but like you said, he was too big of a liability on the other end.