Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1

[Winehole23]

this decision just got upheld by the Supreme Court, Exxon will have to cough up.


Exxon Mobile was ordered to turn over 40 years of documents (https://www.republicreport.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Mass-Exxon-01-11-17.pdf) on Wednesday showing the company’s views on and knowledge of climate change. The ruling was made by a Massachusetts judge in an investigation led by the state’s attorney general Maura Healy, who is working to determine how much the company knew about the link between fossil fuels and climate change, and also to determine whether Exxon intentionally hid or suppressed information from the public and investors.https://gizmodo.com/were-finally-going-to-learn-how-much-exxon-knew-about-c-1791137298

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/01/07/supreme-court-refuses-block-healey-bid-investigate-exxonmobil/NuOpBuqIej6qzlL6X45BOM/story.html

[boutons_deux]

climatagolists been intimidated into making predictions usually at conservative, low end of the range, while AGW is now exceeding the high end of predicted ranges

Antarctica is melting at a more terrifying rate than anyone expected (https://theweek.com/speedreads/817622/antarctica-melting-more-terrifying-rate-than-anyone-expected)

https://theweek.com/speedreads/817622/antarctica-melting-more-terrifying-rate-than-anyone-expected

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Oceans Are Warming 40% Faster Than Predicted

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/12/oceans-are-warming-40-faster-than-predicted/

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iow, the planet and its human and other inhabitants are fucked

[Winehole23]

A recent Monmouth poll (https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_112918/) found that 78 percent of Americans believe climate change is real and leading to sea-level rise and more extreme weather. That’s up from 70 percent three years ago. The headline-grabbing takeaway: A majority of Republicans — 64 percent — are now believers, a 15-point jump from 2015.https://grist.org/article/8-percent-of-americans-recently-changed-their-minds-on-climate-what-gives/

[spurraider21]

https://grist.org/article/8-percent-of-americans-recently-changed-their-minds-on-climate-what-gives/
yeah but then its "we acknowledge there's been warming but have no way of knowing exactly what's causing it"

unless those numbers reflect, specifically, anthropogenic climate change, dont see it as particularly promising

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1087514299759759360

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1087514299759759360
:lol from Mr. Lewis' blog post:

The paper does not directly claim that ocean warming is accelerating faster than thought; that is the headline of The New York Times article about the paper.

[spurraider21]

no doubt that newspapers/magazines/web sites will often botch scientific reporting... most of the time they're kind enough to link to the actual paper, which is where people should be getting their info from.

hence, the original author's response to lewis:

This exercise was prompted by a comment by Nic Lewis who we thank, and it highlights the uncertainty in actual trends and their use to depict changes. The conclusions in our Perspective remain sound. If the alternative analysis method proposed by Nic Lewis is used, the change is not quite as dramatic as implied in some of the associated press releases.

[DarrinS]

We only got 12 years, y'all

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[boutons_deux]

AGW is real, the tipping point is past, GHG shit's gonna get really really bad, for centuries.

Human race, esp BigCorp chasing rising profits, has shit in its bed.

And still, there's no stopping the shitshow, and certainly reversing it is impossible

Ecocide is human suicide.

[DarrinS]

lol

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[spurraider21]

lol

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its absurd behavior tbh

[Chris]

He's back and he needs money bitches :lol


https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1088887748822515714

[Winehole23]

this is fine:


Previous research showed that meltwater from Thwaites accounts for about 4 percent of the global sea level rise, said Ted Scambos, a senior research scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, who was not involved with the new study.


If the loss of ice becomes so severe that the glacier collapses — something computer models predict could happen in 50 to 100 years — sea levels would rise by two feet. That’s enough to inundate coastal cities across the globe (https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/here-s-how-rising-seas-could-swallow-these-coastal-cities-ncna872466).


“It’s completely plausible,” Scambos said, adding that "Thwaites has a really perfect storm going for it” — a reference to the fact that parts of the glacier lie below sea level and are thus especially vulnerable to melting by seawater.
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/hole-opens-under-antarctic-glacier-big-enough-fit-two-thirds-ncna965696

[Winehole23]

primarily affects Asia, so who cares?


"Global warming is on track to transform the frigid, glacier-covered mountain peaks of the HKH cutting across eight countries to bare rocks in a little less than a century,” said Wester of the International Centre for Integrated Mountain Development (ICIMOD).




The report, by 210 authors, said that more than a third of the ice in the region will melt by 2100 even if governments take tough action to limit global warming under the 2015 Paris climate agreement.
And two-thirds of the ice could vanish if governments fail to rein in greenhouse gas emissions this century. “To me this is the biggest worrying thing,” Wester told Reuters on the sidelines of an event to launch the report in Kathmandu.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-himalayas-idUSKCN1PT157

[boutons_deux]

AGW to enrich the wealthy wins, mankind is unstoppably, irreversibly fucked.

It's ova, the fatcat lady has sung.

[boutons_deux]

Met Office: global warming could exceed 1.5C within five years

Lowest Paris agreement target may temporarily be surpassed for first time between now and 2023

Meteorologists said there was a 10% chance of a year in which the average temperature rise exceeds

1.5C, which is the lowest of the two Paris agreement targets set for the end of the century.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/06/met-office-global-warming-could-exceed-1-point-5-c-in-five-years

[Winehole23]

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Man kills 25% of vertebrates on land, all major mammals are in decline, at risk

Insects are WAY down, 2.5% less year

As the bottom of the food chain, absent insects reduce bird and bat populations, and dead insects also enrich the soil.

The culprit? massive expansion of agriculture

The multi-dimensional climate horror stories arrive weekly, relentlessly.

But mostrous, planet-destroying Capitalism demands infinite amassing of more Capital

[RandomGuy]

^Lying faggot wants a safe space

Perhaps you can show me a good map for the flat earth. Love to see what you think the world looks like.

???

[Chris]

Perhaps you can show me a good map for the flat earth. Love to see what you think the world looks like.

???

You think the Earth is flat?

[Winehole23]

soon to lead the WH panel on climate change:

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[Chris]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098631234161336320
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098631768674988032
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098633119467429888

[midnightpulp]

"So because they're doing it, we should do it too." or "Because they're not doing anything about it, we shouldn't do anything about it, either."

Here's a possible idea when (not if) shit starts hitting the fan. Massive tariffs or outright bans on goods produced in countries that haven't got their carbon emissions below a certain threshold. China is also going to be forced to get their shit in order because projections at their current rate have big parts of the country being virtually uninhabitable because of pollution.

[spurraider21]

absurdity from shapiro per par

[RandomGuy]

You think the Earth is flat?

I do not. I was wondering if you did. Do tell.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098631234161336320
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098631768674988032
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098633119467429888

Part and parcel of how the right lies.

Strawman arguments, easily made, and just as easily dismissed.

We can take unilateral action to avoid the worst of the damage.

Just because other people beat their kids, doesn't mean we have to.

[Chris]

Part and parcel of how the right lies.

Strawman arguments, easily made, and just as easily dismissed.

We can take unilateral action to avoid the worst of the damage.

Just because other people beat their kids, doesn't mean we have to.

Paris Climate Accord = beating your kids; I agree. What kind of unilateral action were you hoping for specifically?

[RandomGuy]

Paris Climate Accord = beating your kids; I agree. What kind of unilateral action were you hoping for specifically?

yuk yuk yuk.

A carbon tax would be fine for starters.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098631234161336320
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098631768674988032
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1098633119467429888

https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/09/08/yes-there-is-a-strong-consensus-on-climate-change

[RandomGuy]

"So because they're doing it, we should do it too." or "Because they're not doing anything about it, we shouldn't do anything about it, either."

Here's a possible idea when (not if) shit starts hitting the fan. Massive tariffs or outright bans on goods produced in countries that haven't got their carbon emissions below a certain threshold. China is also going to be forced to get their shit in order because projections at their current rate have big parts of the country being virtually uninhabitable because of pollution.

I know Chris won't read it, but you might. Very detailed analysis, and one of the better science blogs I follow.

https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/09/08/yes-there-is-a-strong-consensus-on-climate-change

[RandomGuy]

yup. chris never commits to any theories. he'll hint the fuck out of them.

he'll talk about how anyone leaving the earth would be fried by the van allen belt, and talk about snowglobe earth theory, but he'll never commit to anything.

very rarely do we find people so unwilling to state their convictions


I call that having the cowardice of one's convictions.

Pretty much. For some people, the complete inability to admit any weakness or fault in their beliefs stands out to me.

It may be my own confirmation bias, but I really wonder how much religious thinking has to do with it. When you suppress doubt and question questioning itself so that you can protect "faith", I really do think this is akin to having a weakened immune system. These people are unable to fend off shitty ideas.

[RandomGuy]

2012 news

https://thelogicofscience.com/2019/02/07/5-hottest-years-on-record-all-happened-in-the-past-5-years-global-warming-is-real

Same thing for you. Pearls before swine, but hey, I feel duty bound to at least provide you with the evidence available. I know you well enough to know you will ignore it, out of lazyness.

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Four Things That Could Kill Us Before the Cloud Apocalypse Does (https://earther.gizmodo.com/four-things-that-could-kill-us-before-the-cloud-apocaly-1832899684)

A study released in Nature Geoscience (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0310-1) chronicles how stratocumulus clouds, those low hanging clouds that lend themselves well to daydreaming, could one day disappear if we keep emitting carbon.

Their disappearance could, in turn lead to skyrocketing temperatures, raising the heat more than 8 degree Celsius (14 degrees Fahrenheit) around the globe.

Look, that is extremely super bad. If the clouds disappeared, the planet would likely be a scorched, parched hellscape

one researchers are furiously looking (http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/02/world-without-clouds-hardly-clear-climate-scientists-say) at because clouds play a crucial role in the climate system but are among the least understood components.

The study is based on a scenario where carbon dioxide rises to 1,200 parts per million, a near tripling of where it’s at today.

Technically, it’s possible.

But the reality is there’s a lot more stuff climate change could do to could spell the end of civilization before we reach that point.

Runaway ice melt and sea level rise

Oxygen-less oceans

Heat waves

Geoengineering

https://earther.gizmodo.com/four-things-that-could-kill-us-before-the-cloud-apocaly-1832899684?rev=1551202401411&utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-02-26

[Chris]

I know Chris won't read it

I didn't :tu

[RandomGuy]

I didn't [bother reading the thing i disagree with that had all the science in it]:tu

Translation:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/32634/small/fingers_in_your_ears.jpg?1368770900

It's ok actually. No one here, even your friends, thinks you care about the truth. At least you don't have to pretend, I guess.

[DMC]

"So because they're doing it, we should do it too." or "Because they're not doing anything about it, we shouldn't do anything about it, either."

Here's a possible idea when (not if) shit starts hitting the fan. Massive tariffs or outright bans on goods produced in countries that haven't got their carbon emissions below a certain threshold. China is also going to be forced to get their shit in order because projections at their current rate have big parts of the country being virtually uninhabitable because of pollution.

If your goal is to feel better about yourself, it doesn't matter what other countries do. If your goal is to save the world, then it does matter.

[DMC]

Seriously how god damned fucking stupid does one have to be to disagree with scientific fact?

Ducks, retard, faggot Joey? Tell us all how fucking stupid are you? Darrin, you input is also called for too

Scientific fact: You are a fat fucking slob

[RandomGuy]

If your goal is to feel better about yourself, it doesn't matter what other countries do. If your goal is to save the world, then it does matter.

That is why you take action, and work to have others do the same. Not difficult. :D

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1110341030858104832

Cool : )

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1110341030858104832

Cool : )
Try reading the article and not just the headline. I know it’s difficult for somebody who digests all information in 140 characters or less

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civilization is fucked and unfuckable

Coal plants emitted more than ever in 2018, putting Earth in ‘deep trouble’

Global energy experts released grim findings Monday, saying that

not only are planet-warming carbon-dioxide emissions still increasing,

but also the world's growing thirst for energy has led to higher emissions from coal-fired power plants than ever before.

Energy demand around the world grew by 2.3% over the last year, marking the most rapid increase in a decade,

a fleet of relatively new coal plants in Asia, with decades to go on their lifetimes, led the way toward a record for emissions from coal-fired power plants — exceeding 10 billion tons of carbon dioxide "for the first time,"

greenhouse-gas emissions from the use of energy — by far their largest source —

surged in 2018, reaching a record high of 33.1 billion tons.

Emissions showed 1.7% growth, well above the average since 2010. The growth in global emissions in 2018 alone was "equivalent to the total emissions from international aviation,"

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-coal-power-plants-emissions-20190325-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter (https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-coal-power-plants-emissions-20190325-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter)

[CosmicCowboy]

So if we accept that climate change is inevitable, where will the climate improve? Will Alaska be like California is now?

[boutons_deux]

So if we accept that climate change is inevitable, where will the climate improve? Will Alaska be like California is now?

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

[spurraider21]

So if we accept that climate change is inevitable, where will the climate improve? Will Alaska be like California is now?
yeah totally like omg problem solved. lets just have mass migrations in the billions. that will solve everything. and all the infrastructure needed to go along with it!

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol triggered.

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaITk42XcAAVEA6.jpg

[DarrinS]

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[boutons_deux]

Everest is melting, exposing bodies of dead climbers, going back decades.

[Chris]

1112010159491084289

It completely undermines their argument. :lol According to this, climate change is inevitable and all societies are doomed to fail regardless of how much carbon they emit.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SPACEdotcom/status/1111633373913669634

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/SPACEdotcom/status/1111633373913669634:lol you didn't read this article either.

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Scientists Say Climate Change Might Turn Denali Into a Literal Mountain of Shit (https://jezebel.com/scientists-say-climate-change-might-turn-denali-into-a-1833704875)

Alaska’s Denali, the tallest mountain in North America, holds 66 tons of frozen human shit left behind by decades worth of hikers.

https://jezebel.com/scientists-say-climate-change-might-turn-denali-into-a-1833704875 (https://jezebel.com/scientists-say-climate-change-might-turn-denali-into-a-1833704875)

[spurraider21]

It completely undermines their argument. :lol According to this, climate change is inevitable and all societies are doomed to fail regardless of how much carbon they emit.
Only by a poor extension of logic

[DarrinS]

Only by a poor extension of logic

Climate change wiped out them dinosaurs, too


We only have 12 years left.

[RandomGuy]

It completely undermines their argument. :lol According to this, climate change is inevitable and all societies are doomed to fail regardless of how much carbon they emit.

Nope. Not what the video said. You are bad at the thinking thing, but I do encourage you to keep trying. Only through practice are you ever going to get better.

[RandomGuy]

Climate change wiped out them dinosaurs, too


We only have 12 years left.

We have little time to do anything meaningful, because of stupid kunts like you sucking up propaganda about non-existant scientific controversies. You fucking idiots will not be looked on kindly in a few more years.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/SPACEdotcom/status/1111633373913669634

You didn't read that. (shrugs) It doesn't say what you think it does. I will pass on asking your stupid ass any critical thinking questions on it, because you are neither honest nor smart enough to answer.

The world is warming, Greenlands ice sheet will continue melting, and will do so at an accelerating pace, and it is human that are doing it.

This article doesn't contradict that, at all.

[DMC]

Climate change wiped out them dinosaurs, too


We only have 12 years left.

Naw. AOC's green new deal has already started turning the climate around just by the suggestion of such a groundbreaking discovery. We should all walk to Hawaii and have a get together to celebrate it.

[DMC]

You didn't read that. (shrugs) It doesn't say what you think it does. I will pass on asking your stupid ass any critical thinking questions on it, because you are neither honest nor smart enough to answer.

The world is warming, Greenlands ice sheet will continue melting, and will do so at an accelerating pace, and it is human that are doing it.

This article doesn't contradict that, at all.
Oh noes, grab Toto and aunt Em and get to the cellar.

[Chris]

You didn't read that. (shrugs) It doesn't say what you think it does. I will pass on asking your stupid ass any critical thinking questions on it, because you are neither honest nor smart enough to answer.

The world is warming, Greenlands ice sheet will continue melting, and will do so at an accelerating pace, and it is human that are doing it.

This article doesn't contradict that, at all.


^That's 2+ years of MUH RUSSIA talkin'

[DarrinS]

I still don't get what "climate change" has to do with "social justice", tbh.

[DarrinS]

We have little time to do anything meaningful, because of stupid kunts like you sucking up propaganda about non-existant scientific controversies. You fucking idiots will not be looked on kindly in a few more years.

I guess I'll just live my life. You can carry on with your propaganda.

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We have little time to do anything meaningful

wrong. It's over, we're fucked.

GHG have been degrading the atmosphere for 170 years.

Nothing we can do to "fix" that.

In fact, USA and China are working hard to promote carbon energy.

[RandomGuy]

Oh noes, grab Toto and aunt Em and get to the cellar.

As I said when the thread started about nine years ago.

The evidence will continue to accumulate, as will the science. The longer we wait, the harder it will be to counteract the gigatons of CO2 we have pumped into the system.

[pgardn]

Acid Rain caused by sulfur emissions from coal burning. Hoax
Scubbers put in, sulfur declines acid rain gone. Lakes and forests healed.

Ozone layer being depleted by Chlorine and bromine compounds found mostly in refrigerants. Hoax
CFCs banned, Chlorine etc levels have stabilized and are now dropping. Ozone layer may reach pre refrigerant levels in 50 years.
Much less UV light getting in, algal populations especially in cold regions of poles stabilized.

Global warming. A bigger problem. The oceans still absorbing CO2 at high rates but CO2 levels still way high. Hoax.
Humans did not do this, no way... And if they did it cant be stopped and its not ruining anything... The Earth has gone through many warming and cooling periods so the latest is nothing new...

Like humans really dont do anything to the Earth. But, but... a comet could hit us and we would die, one big volcano...
But, but... we set a new record for cold in insert someplace... No understanding of global AVERAGES tending to rise.

Its here, its a problem, but we cant solve it so adjust...?
Or deny. Like acid rain or upper layer ozone depletion. Just deny.

[pgardn]

We are not doomed to anything.

We will take on giant economic costs in moving agriculture, shorelines etc... but it will be a long haul thing most likely. No immediate consequences. So no need to disrupt what we got going now. Fine.

But dont call it a hoax. Read what the majority of climatologists say. None of us are experts on climate like orange straw hair.

[Winehole23]

This is from the US Fed.

It's not hard to find DOD literature about climate change that describe it as a NATSEC threat.

https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2019/march/climate-change-and-federal-reserve/

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Humans Have Caused the Most Dramatic Climate Change in 3 Million Years

The level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere today is likely higher than it has been anytime in the past 3 million years. This rise in the level of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, could bring temperatures not seen over that entire timespan

examine the changes in climate during the Quaternary period (https://www.livescience.com/43151-quaternary-period.html), which started around 2.59 million years ago and continues into today. Over that period, Earth has undergone a number of changes, but none so rapid as those seen today,

https://www.livescience.com/65148-human-climate-change-worse-3-million-years.html (https://www.livescience.com/65148-human-climate-change-worse-3-million-years.html)

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US Oil and Gas Industry Set to Unleash 120 Billion Tons of New Carbon Emissions

The US oil and gas industry has the potential to “unleash the largest burst of new carbon emissions in the world” through 2050

new US oil and gas development could enable 120 billion tons of new carbon pollution, the equivalent to “the lifetime emissions of nearly 1,000 coal-fired power plants.”

Between now and 2030, the US is likely to account for sixty percent of the world’s projected growth in oil and gas production.

According to Kelly Trout, one of the report’s coauthors, the findings present “an urgent and existential emergency for lawmakers in the United States at all levels of government.”

https://www.projectcensored.org/us-oil-and-gas-industry-set-to-unleash-120-billion-tons-of-new-carbon-emissions/

Capitalism has fucked the planet into unfuckability

[boutons_deux]

How Climate Change Is Fuelling the U.S. Border Crisis

In the western highlands of Guatemala, the question is no longer whether someone will leave but when.


Residents depended on the few crops that could survive at an elevation of more than nine thousand feet, harvesting maize to feed their families and selling potatoes for a small profit.

But, Pérez said, the changing climate was wiping out the region’s crops.

“In the higher part of town,

there have been more frosts than there used to be, and

they kill an entire harvest in one fell swoop,” he said.

“In the lower part of Climentoro, there’s been much less rain and new sorts of pests.”

He added, “Farmers have been abandoning their land.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/how-climate-change-is-fuelling-the-us-border-crisis?utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_040319&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&user_id=43758549&esrc=&utm_term=TNY_Daily (https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/how-climate-change-is-fuelling-the-us-border-crisis?utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_040319&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&user_id=43758549&esrc=&utm_term=TNY_Daily)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/NateOnTheHill/status/1115667939393507333

damn :lol

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/NateOnTheHill/status/1115667939393507333

damn :lol

You don't get it either.

We know climate has changed since the fckn Earth was formed.
At one time there was no O2, there were only anerobes. Now we have 20 % O2. Do you not get the difference?
The entire Earth changed due to the first aerobic organisms. So you argue change has always happened therefore no worries?
So neither you, or that dumbass, understand recent v. long term changes.

How long have Homo sapiens inhabitited the Earth, and what is the approximate age of the Earth?

[pgardn]

"But, but, we will have another ice age..."

None of this would matter if human beings were still hunter gatherers and we had not based the location of our current large cities next to water (transportation of goods) and agriculture in areas that are suited for it. So what if it sea levels and climate changes quickly, we can surely hunt and gather again. What a huge mistake building fairly permanent structures that last more than a lifetime. Damn civilization.

Idiot...

[Chris]

Grrrrrr! Arghhhh!

[spurraider21]

^Chris doing the troll thing

[spurraider21]

kerry wasn't testifying as a scientific authority. he didnt claim to be s scientist. it wasn't a science committee hearing. its the oversight committee, and the hearing was on the need for leadership to combat climate change.

he's absolutely right that the guy wasn't having a serious conversation.

its also moronic to call political science "pseudoscience." its certainly not natural science, and there is a distinction between natural sciences and social sciences. social science degrees are typically bachelors in arts, not bachelors in science. its not as though the academic community conflates them. but this idiot congressman is trying to win political points on stupid semantics.

i'm sure he has DMC's vote

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Massie: Secretary Kerry, I want to read part of your statement back to you. “Instead of convening a kangaroo court, the president might want to talk with the educated adults he once trusted to fill his top national security positions.”

It sounds like you’re questioning the credentials of the president’s advisers currently, but I don’t think we should question your
credentials today.

Isn’t it true you have a science degree from Yale? :lol

Kerry: A bachelor of arts degree.

Massie: Is it a political science degree? :lol

Kerry: Yes, political science.

Massie: So how do you get a bachelor of arts in a science [degree]? :lol Holy Shit, KY Jelly for brains

Kerry: Well, it’s liberal arts education and degree, it’s a bachelor.

Massie: OK, so it’s not really science. :lol

So I think it’s somewhat appropriate that

someone with a pseudoscience degree :lol

is here pushing pseudoscience in front of our committee today.

Kerry: Are you serious? This is really, seriously happening here? :lol

Massie: You know what? It is serious, you’re calling the president’s Cabinet a kangaroo court, is that serious?

Kerry: I’m not calling his Cabinet a kangaroo court, I’m calling this committee he’s putting together a kangaroo committee.

Massie: Are you saying he doesn’t have educated adults there now?

Kerry: I don’t know who he it yet, because it’s secret.


Massie, for his part, has a degree from MIT, :lol

which, not that anyone really needed convincing, should prove that idiots are everywhere.

https://splinternews.com/here-is-possibly-the-stupidest-thing-a-member-of-congre-1833947736?utm_source=splinter_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-04-10 (https://splinternews.com/here-is-possibly-the-stupidest-thing-a-member-of-congre-1833947736?utm_source=splinter_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-04-10)

y'all fuckin red and slave states elect these cretins, over and over, y'all fuckin cretinous, too

[boutons_deux]

" This is really, seriously happening here?"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEEf_00tNos

[koriwhat]

" This is really, seriously happening here?"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEEf_00tNos

:tu one of the first movies i ever pirated back in my teens...

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/PeDQxFiuH1Nno_4onKWFwqArQ2w=/0x0:3000x2000/1200x800/filters:focal(0x0:3000x2000)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50169021/GettyImages-51775153.0.jpg

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/fordnation/status/1118230807947223042

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1121877878084382721
Qu0JsEytz6s

[boutons_deux]

Landmark UN Report to Show 'Transformational Change' Urgently Needed Save Humanity and Natural World FromNightmarish Future

"Anyone who denies that we are in a human-induced extinction crisis is either lying or not paying attention."


Signaling the need for urgent "transformative changes (https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/how-fix-nature-and-avoid-human-misery-un-report-doc-1g510c2)" in order to save humanity and the natural world,

the 1,800-page report and a separate executive summary will represent the first time the UN has published such an exhaustive report on the state of Nature.

As Agence France-Presse, which obtained a draft of the conclusions, reports (https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/how-fix-nature-and-avoid-human-misery-un-report-doc-1g510c2) Saturday that

"The bombshell Summary for Policymakers... makes for very grim reading."

According to AFP's review of the draft report and the summary, the documents

"paint a picture of widespread destruction wrought by man, some of it irreparable."

human destruction of natural systems has put the world on a path towards

a mass extinction that could wipe out over a million species.

the "number of people in the world and

their growing ability to consume"

are the two biggest indirect drivers of biodiversity loss and the climate crisis.

According to AFP:

The new report details how humans are

undermining Earth's capacity to produce fresh water, clean air and productive soil, to name a few "ecosystem services."

The direct causes of Nature's degradation—in order of importance—are

shrinking habitat and land-use change,

hunting for food or illicit trade in body parts,

climate change,

pollution, and

predatory or disease-carrying alien species such as rats, mosquitoes and snakes.

"The evidence is incontestable,"

"Our destruction of biodiversity and ecosystem services has reached levels that threaten our well-being at least as much as human-induced climate change."


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/05/04/landmark-un-report-show-transformational-change-urgently-needed-save-humanity-and?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/05/04/landmark-un-report-show-transformational-change-urgently-needed-save-humanity-and?cd-origin=rss)

Capitalism is incompatible with life

[a777pilot]

Humans Have Caused the Most Dramatic Climate Change in 3 Million Years

The level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere today is likely higher than it has been anytime in the past 3 million years. This rise in the level of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, could bring temperatures not seen over that entire timespan

examine the changes in climate during the Quaternary period (https://www.livescience.com/43151-quaternary-period.html), which started around 2.59 million years ago and continues into today. Over that period, Earth has undergone a number of changes, but none so rapid as those seen today,

https://www.livescience.com/65148-human-climate-change-worse-3-million-years.html (https://www.livescience.com/65148-human-climate-change-worse-3-million-years.html)



It's those damn termites!

OK, just for arguments sake.....I will agree to your premise that man is a major, if not the biggest, contributor to greenhouse gases.

Now, so what?

Do you have a plan? What is that plan? I stand ready to read your plan to stop and/or reduce these greenhouse emissions.

I'm not trying to be an ass about this, I truly want to know what you think we, humans, ought to do about this?

Well?

[a777pilot]

Landmark UN Report to Show 'Transformational Change' Urgently Needed Save Humanity and Natural World FromNightmarish Future

"Anyone who denies that we are in a human-induced extinction crisis is either lying or not paying attention."


Signaling the need for urgent "transformative changes (https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/how-fix-nature-and-avoid-human-misery-un-report-doc-1g510c2)" in order to save humanity and the natural world,

the 1,800-page report and a separate executive summary will represent the first time the UN has published such an exhaustive report on the state of Nature.

As Agence France-Presse, which obtained a draft of the conclusions, reports (https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/how-fix-nature-and-avoid-human-misery-un-report-doc-1g510c2) Saturday that

"The bombshell Summary for Policymakers... makes for very grim reading."

According to AFP's review of the draft report and the summary, the documents

"paint a picture of widespread destruction wrought by man, some of it irreparable."

human destruction of natural systems has put the world on a path towards

a mass extinction that could wipe out over a million species.

the "number of people in the world and

their growing ability to consume"

are the two biggest indirect drivers of biodiversity loss and the climate crisis.

According to AFP:

The new report details how humans are

undermining Earth's capacity to produce fresh water, clean air and productive soil, to name a few "ecosystem services."

The direct causes of Nature's degradation—in order of importance—are

shrinking habitat and land-use change,

hunting for food or illicit trade in body parts,

climate change,

pollution, and

predatory or disease-carrying alien species such as rats, mosquitoes and snakes.

"The evidence is incontestable,"

"Our destruction of biodiversity and ecosystem services has reached levels that threaten our well-being at least as much as human-induced climate change."


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/05/04/landmark-un-report-show-transformational-change-urgently-needed-save-humanity-and?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/05/04/landmark-un-report-show-transformational-change-urgently-needed-save-humanity-and?cd-origin=rss)

Capitalism is incompatible with life





Read that last line.

That says it all. Climate change is not about science. It is ALL about politics.

[spurraider21]

Read that last line.

That says it all. Climate change is not about science. It is ALL about politics.
For the deniers it can’t be about science

[boutons_deux]

Humanity is fucked by Capitalists and there is NO EXIT from AGW, anthropocene climate catastrophe.

[a777pilot]

For the deniers it can’t be about science

Y'all know that works both ways. Why would a person that believes in man made climate change.....read warming.....say that capitalism is incompatible with life if it were not all about politics.

I personally do not believe that the current climate we are in is mainly a result actions by mankind.

For argument's sake I am willing to agree with the global warming crowd and say it is mostly, to all man's fault. Now, with that stipulation, what do y'all want to do about it? What is your best case plan to reverse/end this climate change by man?

I actually have a plan that is doable, available and is both cheap and safe.

I await your plan.

[a777pilot]

Humanity is fucked by Capitalists and there is NO EXIT from AGW, anthropocene climate catastrophe.


In my plan it is the capitalist enlightened self interest that will save mankind. In my plan there will be greatly reduced carbon emissions, there will be an increase in the standard of living, an increase in life expectancy. And an increase in the world population.

I'm still waiting for you to say what your plan is.

[spurraider21]

Y'all know that works both ways. Why would a person that believes in man made climate change.....read warming.....say that capitalism is incompatible with life if it were not all about politics.

I personally do not believe that the current climate we are in is mainly a result actions by mankind.

For argument's sake I am willing to agree with the global warming crowd and say it is mostly, to all man's fault. Now, with that stipulation, what do y'all want to do about it? What is your best case plan to reverse/end this climate change by man?

I actually have a plan that is doable, available and is both cheap and safe.

I await your plan.
what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint. that is the scientific analysis.

beyond that, the solutions are of course political. but the underlying science is apolitical. and sure, i would say that trusting that private corporations will act outside their own self interest to reduce emissions would be a fools errand

[Pavlov]

In my plan it is the capitalist enlightened self interest that will save mankind. In my plan there will be greatly reduced carbon emissions, there will be an increase in the standard of living, an increase in life expectancy. And an increase in the world population.

I'm still waiting for you to say what your plan is.You didn't post a plan, you posted the results you hope to get from a plan you didn't post.

[a777pilot]

what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint. that is the scientific analysis.

beyond that, the solutions are of course political. but the underlying science is apolitical. and sure, i would say that trusting that private corporations will act outside their own self interest to reduce emissions would be a fools errand

I agree. The solution should be based in science, yet all we hear is political shit.

"...what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint."

Well, and simply stated. I could not agree more.

Now, deferring to parts of my plan, first thing I would do is end and get rid of all solar panels, windmills and battery operated vehicles. The manufacturing, transportation, insulation and maintenance of these items are all a negative return on carbon use reduction, i.e., it takes more carbon than it saves.

Next, I would manufacture and install a massive number of nuclear power plants. Tens of thousand of them.

There, that ought to give y'all to think about.

I am still waiting for any ideas on how to reduce our dependance on carbon based fuels from someone else.

[Pavlov]

I agree. The solution should be based in science, yet all we hear is political shit.

"...what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint."

Well, and simply stated. I could not agree more.

Now, deferring to parts of my plan, first thing I would do is end and get rid of all solar panels, windmills and battery operated vehicles. The manufacturing, transportation, insulation and maintenance of these items are all a negative return on carbon use reduction, i.e., it takes more carbon than it saves.

Next, I would manufacture and install a massive number of nuclear power plants. Tens of thousand of them.

There, that ought to give y'all to think about.

I am still waiting for any ideas on how to reduce our dependance on carbon based fuels from someone else.Where are you going to store all the nuclear waste?

[a777pilot]

You didn't post a plan, you posted the results you hope to get from a plan you didn't post.

I know I did not post my plan. I am waiting for others to post theirs first. I have, on occasion, posted parts of my plan for the sake of getting a debate going.......so far, no joy.

If you have a plan, let's hear it.

[a777pilot]

Where are you going to store all the nuclear waste?

Where it is being stored now. However, my nuclear waste will only have to be stored for 300 to 400 years. Yes, that is a long time but way shorter than the current waste that needs to be be hidden away from humans for up to 50,000 years.

Good start.

Next question, please.

[Pavlov]

Where it is being stored now.And where is it being stored now?


However, my nuclear waste will only have to be stored for 300 to 400 years. How is your nuclear waste different from current nuclear waste?

[spurraider21]

I agree. The solution should be based in science, yet all we hear is political shit.

"...what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint."

Well, and simply stated. I could not agree more.

Now, deferring to parts of my plan, first thing I would do is end and get rid of all solar panels, windmills and battery operated vehicles. The manufacturing, transportation, insulation and maintenance of these items are all a negative return on carbon use reduction, i.e., it takes more carbon than it saves.

Next, I would manufacture and install a massive number of nuclear power plants. Tens of thousand of them.

There, that ought to give y'all to think about.

I am still waiting for any ideas on how to reduce our dependance on carbon based fuels from someone else.
scientists cant pass legislation. the solution has to be political unless you believe people and corporations will spontaneously step up and shrink their carbon footprints

[boutons_deux]

" the solution has to be political"

and the politicians are owned by Capitalists who now make ALL the laws, regs, rules, so there simply cannot be a solution by politicians, even if there were a technical/scientific solution (there ain't)

too late to reduce carbon footprint. The planet is in or rapidly approaching the tipping point of no return.

As soon as arctic tundra releases gigatons of methane, already in progress, GAMEOVER

[a777pilot]

And where is it being stored now?

How is your nuclear waste different from current nuclear waste?

Currently, nuclear waste is being stored in vast under ground, read, in mountains, in the West.

"My" nuclear waste is not a by product of uranium.

You made an incorrect assumption.

[a777pilot]

scientists cant pass legislation. the solution has to be political unless you believe people and corporations will spontaneously step up and shrink their carbon footprints

Get the government out of the way and we would have massive amounts of safe, cheap electricity. All government does in 99% of the time is get in the way.

[Pavlov]

Currently, nuclear waste is being stored in vast under ground, read, in mountains, in the West.Which facilities?


"My" nuclear waste is not a by product of uranium.

You made an incorrect assumption.I never said anything about uranium.

I said your plan has nuclear waste.

You lied about what I said.

How is your nuclear waste different from current nuclear waste?

[FrostKing]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1121877878084382721

No 6 Million Jews no care

[a777pilot]

" the solution has to be political"

and the politicians are owned by Capitalists who now make ALL the laws, regs, rules, so there simply cannot be a solution by politicians, even if there were a technical/scientific solution (there ain't) YES, there is. It is available today. The only reason it is not being used is the resistance of the oil, gas, and coal industry.


too late to reduce carbon footprint. The planet is in or rapidly approaching the tipping point of no return. No, it is not!

As soon as arctic tundra releases gigatons of methane, already in progress, GAMEOVER I agree with you on that point, that is why we need this nuclear power NOW! ....and in mass quantities.




Good points. More if you got'um.

[a777pilot]

"How is your nuclear waste different from current nuclear waste?"

What is the "current" nuclear waste derived from, then?

[a777pilot]

Which facilities?

I never said anything about uranium.

I said your plan has nuclear waste.

You lied about what I said.

How is your nuclear waste different from current nuclear waste?

Go back and re-read our posts.

[Pavlov]

Go back and re-read our posts.No.

You already said your plan has nuclear waste.

What is your waste produced from?

What are the names of the facilities that currently store nuclear waste?

[a777pilot]

No.

You already said your plan has nuclear waste. And it does!

What is your waste produced from? If you don't know, you should not be in this conversation, because you don't know enough about nuclear power to have an opinion.

What are the names of the facilities that currently store nuclear waste? I don't know andI don't care! If it a a big concern to you, look it up.



Do you come up with this shit because you have nothing else to do? How sad.

[a777pilot]

We had a good discussion going till you joined in. We were making progress. We were learning. We were thinking. WE all had good ideas and good questions.

[Pavlov]

Do you come up with this shit because you have nothing else to do? How sad.If you don't know where nuclear waste is currently stored, you should not be in any conversation about some nuclear energy "plan."

But thanks for admitting you lied about where it is stored. Makes it easy to dismiss you out of hand.

Why do you lie in every thread?

[Pavlov]

We had a good discussion going till you joined in. We were making progress. We were learning. We were thinking. WE all had good ideas and good questions.You lied about where waste is stored and for some reason want to hide the composition of the material you want to use.

What material do you want to use to produce nuclear energy?

[a777pilot]

If you don't know where nuclear waste is currently stored, you should not be in any conversation about some nuclear energy "plan."

But thanks for admitting you lied about where it is stored. Makes it easy to dismiss you out of hand.

Why do you lie in every thread?

OK, OK, I will look it up for you. I will not reference the federal law suit dealing with the storage of nuclear waste. for that you are on your own.

[a777pilot]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-does-the-us-do-with-nuclear-waste/

Damn, that took many seconds of my time. I'll survive.

[Pavlov]

OK, OK, I will look it up for youHere's where it's stored (HINT: nothing is stored in "vast under ground, read, in mountains, in the West." The locals scuttled that idea.)

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/688135.jpg

[a777pilot]

Yucca Mountain.

And yes, I know about waste being stored on site.

[Pavlov]

Yucca Mountain.

And yes, I know about waste being stored on site.You mean not being stored on the site.

[a777pilot]

Do you have a plan to reduce carbon emissions or not. If not then bugger off.....please.

[Pavlov]

Do you have a plan to reduce carbon emissions or not. If not then bugger off.....please.I'm asking you about your "plan."

If you're afraid of answering simple questions, you fit right in with the rest of the Trump supporters.:tu

[a777pilot]

I'm asking you about your "plan."

If you're afraid of answering simple questions, you fit right in with the rest of the Trump supporters.:tu

OK, let's start.

You asked a few questions and I did not answer, therefore, let's start over. Ask me a question.

[Pavlov]

OK, let's start.

You asked a few questions and I did not answer, therefore, let's start over. Ask me a question.You have my questions. They have not been answered, so answer those questions.

[a777pilot]

I know of one question you asked.

My nuclear reactors are powered my thorium. Well, hell, they are NOT my reactor. I just support their use, their massive use. What's not to love?

[a777pilot]

Looking it up? Good. You should. I think the more you learn about thorium fueled molten salt reactors the more you will fall in love with the idea of tens of thousands of these things being used.

[Pavlov]

I know of one question you asked.

My nuclear reactors are powered my thorium. Well, hell, they are NOT my reactor. I just support their use, their massive use. What's not to love?Thorium on its own only works about 1/10 as well as uranium in "fast" reactors that aren't currently being used in the US. The best use of thorium is to change it into uranium or use it with plutonium.

[Pavlov]

Looking it up? Good. You should. I think the more you learn about thorium fueled molten salt reactors the more you will fall in love with the idea of tens of thousands of these things being used.Not really tbh. I've only seen one proposed thorium plant and that's definitely changing the thorium to U233 -- which is fine, but not actually fueled by thorium.

[a777pilot]

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Please, do not answer that. I know the answer.

[Pavlov]

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Please, do not answer that. I know the answer.I think U233 derived from thorium is a fine nuclear fuel, but you still have to store the waste for at least hundreds of years for each batch for as long as the power is produced.

So where is all the waste from tens of thousands of reactors going to go?

[pgardn]

I personally do not believe that the current climate we are in is mainly a result actions by mankind.

For argument's sake I am willing to agree with the global warming crowd and say it is mostly, to all man's fault. Now, with that stipulation, what do y'all want to do about it? What is your best case plan to reverse/end this climate change by man?

.

So you are saying that the very rapid uptick in average global temp is NOT in any way correlated with human activities.
Science says you are wrong at present.

[boutons_deux]

As if facts were recognized by the anti-scientific AGW-denying religionists

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/sites/www.e-education.psu.edu.earth103/files/module05/image005.png

[a777pilot]

So you are saying that the very rapid uptick in average global temp is NOT in any way correlated with human activities.
Science says you are wrong at present.

No, I'm saying that I don't care. I see problem of too much use of carbon fuels and I have a plan to reverse that. Do you have a plan to stop, then reverse the use of carbon based fuels?

[Winehole23]

repealing oil and natural gas subsidies might be a good start:

1125581067078049793

[boutons_deux]

BigCarbon subsidies won't stop like the AGW climate catastrophe won't stop

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/michaeljknowles/status/1128028118705328128

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/michaeljknowles/status/1128028118705328128

the left always trying too hard to be edgy. bill nye trying too hard to look like an actual scientist when he's just a fucking idiot.

[Chris]

the left always trying too hard to be edgy. bill nye trying too hard to look like an actual scientist when he's just a fucking idiot.

Smoke and mirrors is all they've got. They use comedy to hamfist their whacky agendas and sugar coat everything. They're terrified of Conservatives using memes (a comedic device) to softball their ideas in return.

[RandomGuy]

No, I'm saying that I don't care. I see problem of too much use of carbon fuels and I have a plan to reverse that. Do you have a plan to stop, then reverse the use of carbon based fuels?

Renewable energy, promote energy efficiency. A simple, slowly escalating carbon tax.

[RandomGuy]

Smoke and mirrors is all they've got. They use comedy to hamfist their whacky agendas and sugar coat everything. They're terrified of Conservatives using memes (a comedic device) to softball their ideas in return.

We have plenty of scientific papers, and actual experts on climate science. You are the ones relying on meme-based policy making.

Post a tweet or two now. :lol

[boutons_deux]

planet is fucked and unfuckable

The plastic industry is on track to produce as many emissions as 600 coal-fired power plants


https://grist.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/annual-plastic-emissions.jpg


https://grist.org/article/the-plastic-industry-is-on-track-to-produce-as-many-emissions-as-600-coal-fired-power-plants/

[boutons_deux]

On Islands, Tons of Plastic Trash Is Likely Buried Beneath the Sands (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2019/05/16/plastic-trash-debris-beaches-buried/)

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/files/2019/05/Plastic-Trash.jpg

humans have produced more than 8.3 billion metric tons of plastic,

An Australian team of researchers traveled to the Cocos (Keeling) Islands (CKI), a remote archipelago in the Indian Ocean that’s roughly 1,700 miles off the northwest coast of Australia.

Even looking at just a fraction of beaches, the researches still managed to find over 23,000 pieces of manmade debris, weighing a total of 213 pounds.

The bulk of this debris — 95 percent — was made of plastic.

Some of those items included flip flops, plastic bags, drinking straws and lids and caps.

But 60 percent of their total haul consisted of micro-debris measuring 2-5 millimeters.

The real kicker, though, is that most of this trash isn’t even where we can see it.

Depending on the survey site,

between 10 to 70 times more debris was found below the surface — up to 10 centimeters deep

— compared to the trash they could see.

the team extrapolates that there are

approximately 414 million pieces of manmade debris on CKI, weighing in at over 200 tons.

And the researchers estimate

93 percent of those 414 million pieces are buried, likely in the form of micro debris.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2019/05/16/plastic-trash-debris-beaches-buried/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20DiscoverMag%20%28Discover%2 0Magazine%29#.XN3FVMhKiUk (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2019/05/16/plastic-trash-debris-beaches-buried/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20DiscoverMag%20%28Discover%2 0Magazine%29#.XN3FVMhKiUk)

[boutons_deux]

ATMOSPHERIC METHANE LEVELS ARE GOING UP—AND NO ONE KNOWS WHY

the concentration of methane in the atmosphere had been steadily rising since 1983, before leveling off around 2000. “And then, boom, look at how it changes here,” Dlugokencky says, pointing at a graph on his computer screen. “This is really an abrupt change in the global methane budget, starting around 2007.”
The amount of methane in the atmosphere has been increasing ever since. And nobody really knows why. What’s more, no one saw it coming.

Over a 20-year time frame, methane traps 86 times as much heat in the atmosphere as carbon dioxide.

It is responsible for about a quarter of total atmospheric warming to date.

https://media.wired.com/photos/5cdcb6e74ef5ad318eea393c/master/w_981,c_limit/science_methane-graph-1.jpghttps://www.wired.com/story/atmospheric-methane-levels-are-going-up-and-no-one-knows-why/ (https://www.wired.com/story/atmospheric-methane-levels-are-going-up-and-no-one-knows-why/)

iow, planet is fucked and unfuckable

[TheGreatYacht]

It Was A Record 84 Degrees Near The Arctic Ocean

https://youtu.be/yBObh_XC1A4

[spurraider21]

But al gore has a jet

[boutons_deux]

Nearly 25% of West Antarctic Ice in Danger of Collapse

Glaciers and ice sheets in Antarctica (https://www.livescience.com/21677-antarctica-facts.html) have thinned and weakened dramatically over the past quarter-century,

leaving 24% of the ice in the western part of the continent seriously weakened and in danger of collapse.

In some places on Antarctica, glaciers have thinned by approximately 400 feet (122 meters).

This staggering loss has little to do with weather fluctuations;

rather, it unfolded over decades as Earth's climate warmed,

And that ice loss is accelerating.

The researchers found that West Antarctica's two biggest glaciers — Thwaites and Pine Island —

are melting away five times faster now than they were at the beginning of the survey, in 1992

https://www.livescience.com/65524-antarctica-ice-unstable.html (https://www.livescience.com/65524-antarctica-ice-unstable.html)

[DarrinS]

1130820937178337280

[DarrinS]

But it was 84 near the arctic, but snowing this week in Colorado.

[spurraider21]

But it was 84 near the arctic, but snowing this week in Colorado.
did you take a thermometer across the street though?

[Winehole23]

Darrin so glib.

Thing is, he's not wrong. On a cultural level, his bullshit anecdotes are stronger than the truth of climate change.

You'd think an engineer would understand the geometric growth of pollutants and the startling rate of warming worldwide over the last 150 years occurs in a context of terrestrial feedback that can't be ignored and will be very costly in our lifetimes. Geographical process is overtaking historical time.

[Winehole23]

1127960911094865920

[UnWantedTheory]

1127960911094865920
Fuck all yer sciencey facts. Its gettin hotter cus the gays and libruls are bringing the hell on earth!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1133150990901944320

[pgardn]

Again and louder:

Al Gore has a jet

[boutons_deux]

Humans have shit in their bed, and there is no way to clean it, or even anyway to stop shitting in it.

the Anthropocene sucks for the anthros, and the shit show just getting started.

[boutons_deux]

"Earlier this year, a United Nations report found (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/13/arctic-temperature-rises-must-be-urgently-tackled-warns-un) that “potentially devastating temperature rises of 3 to 5 [degrees Celsius] in the Arctic (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/27/arctic-warming-scientists-alarmed-by-crazy-temperature-rises) are now inevitable

even if the world succeeds in cutting greenhouse gas emissions in line with the Paris agreement.”

At the moment, no nation on Earth is on track to meet its emissions targets under that accord.

And any temperature rise above what’s already inevitable would pose a severe risk of melting the methane-infused Arctic permafrost,

thus releasing 283 gigatonnes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/23/melting-permafrost-in-arctic-will-have-70tn-climate-impact-study)

— a development that, when combined with the disappearance of heat-deflecting ice,

would rapidly accelerate global warming and all but doom human civilization."

https://medium.com/new-york-magazine/moderate-democrats-delusions-of-prudence-will-kill-us-all-8802a034d47c (https://medium.com/new-york-magazine/moderate-democrats-delusions-of-prudence-will-kill-us-all-8802a034d47c)

... and there is NOTHING that can be done to stop the doom.

Only govt policies "could" work, but the oligarchy, the LAST ones to be affected by AGW doomsday, own and operate govt.

Disenfranchised individuals are powerless, politically, and environmentally.

[Winehole23]

"Trump Administration Hardens its Attack on Climate Science"


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7qd-LiXkAAoiq0.pnghttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/us/politics/trump-climate-science.html

[boutons_deux]

The Trump administration (cheap whores to the oligarchy) takes climate denial to new heights

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/28/trump-administration-takes-climate-denial-new-heights/?utm_term=.74aeff7f5f58&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/28/trump-administration-takes-climate-denial-new-heights/?utm_term=.74aeff7f5f58&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

[boutons_deux]

European countries are fucking smarter than dumbed-down-for-profit Americans

European Greens surge as voters abandon old parties over climate

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/european-greens-surge-as-voters-abandon-old-parties-over-climate/2019/05/27/185be506-8085-11e9-b585-e36b16a531aa_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.903d78fdbc6b&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/european-greens-surge-as-voters-abandon-old-parties-over-climate/2019/05/27/185be506-8085-11e9-b585-e36b16a531aa_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.903d78fdbc6b&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

[boutons_deux]

During debate over science standards, Connecticut Republican blurts out:

‘Thank God for global warming’

Senior Republican Whip John Piscopo argued that the Next Generation Science Standards are wrong about climate change and he said that humans should be thankful for global warming.

“That’s what teachers are going to be mandated to teach,” the lawmaker complained. “That’s just wrong. I mean, it’s just glaringly wrong. There is active scientific debate among scientists

“It can’t be determined how much global warming is caused by human burning of fossil fuels,”

he continued. “It’s just, on the face of it, wrong. If you see something wrong, why tie teachers hands to debate one side of a debate?”

“You’re indoctrinating the kids to learn one side of a legitimate scientific debate,” he remarked.

“The climate does change. We have an ice age every hundred thousand years or so. It takes 10,000 years to get out of an ice age — about 10,000 years — and we happen to be enjoying a period of global warming.” :lol

“If I was talking to you about 10,000 years ago, we’d be under a half mile of ice right night now,” Piscopo added. “So, thank God for global warming.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/during-debate-over-science-standards-connecticut-republican-blurts-out-thank-god-for-global-warming/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/during-debate-over-science-standards-connecticut-republican-blurts-out-thank-god-for-global-warming/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

Repugs are 2-bit whores to the oligarchy, have no shame, are ignorant as rocks.

[boutons_deux]

the head of Donald Trump’s planned climate review panel had this to say about the climate crisis: “The demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler.”

there are more important factors that shape Happer’s reasoning.

Millions of them.

As in the millions that have come from the fossil-fuel billionaires Robert and Rebekah Mercer to fund Happer and his anti-science pogrom.
the Mercers funded both Happer’s one-man “advocacy group” and a super PAC controlled by John Bolton.

Then, when Trump brought Bolton into the Cabinet,

it was Bolton who pulled in Happer to head up efforts to destroy the planet’s future.

The Mercers have to be genuinely happy with their investments.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/28/1860850/-Trump-s-climate-chief-compares-Jews-to-carbon-dioxide-as-Pompeo-looks-for-lebensraum-in-the-Arctic?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/28/1860850/-Trump-s-climate-chief-compares-Jews-to-carbon-dioxide-as-Pompeo-looks-for-lebensraum-in-the-Arctic?detail=emaildkre)

the oligarchy's billionaires staffing the Trash/Repug kakistocracy.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8JS46wUEAEFlZT.jpg

[RandomGuy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8JS46wUEAEFlZT.jpg

Record-Breaking Heat in Alaska Wreaks Havoc on Communities and Ecosystems
Abnormally high temperatures have led to unsafe travel conditions, uncertain ecological futures and even multiple deaths

Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/record-breaking-heat-alaska-wreaks-havoc-communities-and-ecosystems-180972317/#6A7xWwxhroe0tI5V.99
Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv
Follow us: smithsonianMag on Twitter

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/record-breaking-heat-alaska-wreaks-havoc-communities-and-ecosystems-180972317

[boutons_deux]

Companies See Climate Change Hitting Their Bottom Lines in the Next 5 Years

Many of the world’s biggest companies, from Silicon Valley tech firms to large European banks, are bracing for the prospect that climate change could substantially affect their bottom lines within the next five years, according to a new analysis of corporate disclosures (https://www.cdp.net/en/research/global-reports/global-climate-change-report-2018-tcfd).

Under pressure from shareholders and regulators, companies are increasingly disclosing the specific financial impacts they could face as the planet warms,

such as extreme weather that could disrupt their supply chains or

stricter climate regulations that could hurt the value of coal, oil and gas investments.

Early estimates suggest that trillions of dollars may ultimately be at stake.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/climate/companies-climate-change-financial-impact.html?smid=tw-nytclimate&smtyp=cur

The concern is about money, not dead people, not collapse and loss of flora and fauna forever. Just fucking Capitalist money.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Admin’s CO2 Champion Intervened To Quash Testimony On Climate Crisis


https://cdn.talkingpointsmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/GettyImages-1125974671-1-804x536.jpg

A top White House official who has championed the environmental benefits of carbon dioxide (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/william-happer-jews-co2-climate-change) :lol

apparently intervened to quash scientific research on the coming climate crisis.

The Washington Post (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/white-house-climate-change-intelligence-agency) and New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/climate/rod-schoonover-testimony.html) reported Saturday that the Trump administration

refused to allow written testimony (https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/the-national-security-implications-of-climate-change/d5977183-15d9-45eb-a011-d4c701b02594/?utm_term=.c3515a5913e3) from a State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research analyst about the “possibly catastrophic” effects of climate change to be entered into the congressional record last week.

Happer — a 79-year-old physics PhD and star of the right-wing pro-carbon-dioxide movement (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/william-happer-jews-co2-climate-change) — wrote extensive comments on analyst Rod Schoonover’s drafted written testimony on the national security implications of climate change.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/william-happer-blocked-testimony-climate-change?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

Following Trump's Executive Order, EPA Moves to Limit States' Ability to Block Dirty Energy Projects

"Not a day goes by where [EPA] doesn't do *something* to endanger your health."

In just the latest move by the Trump administration to expand dirty energy infrastructure no matter the cost to the climate and public health,

the Environmental Protection Agency on Friday issued a new guidance that limits the ability of states and tribes to block permits for proposed projects such as fossil fuel pipelines.

The guidance is specifically about Clean Water Act (CWA) Section 401, which empowers state and tribal governments to "certify" projects permitted at the federal level by the Army Corps of Engineers, EPA, or Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.

The guidance aims to restrict the scope of state and tribal certifications, and force the local governments to issue decisions more quickly.

certification reviews and decisions—including any requested modifications to comply with federal, state, or tribal laws—"be limited to an evaluation of potential water quality impacts."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/07/following-trumps-executive-order-epa-moves-limit-states-ability-block-dirty-energy?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/07/following-trumps-executive-order-epa-moves-limit-states-ability-block-dirty-energy?cd-origin=rss)

Trash and Repugs know their "pro quo" will bring them many $100Ms of BigCarbon "quid" campaign money, lobbying gifts.

[boutons_deux]

Arctic Permafrost Melting 70 Years Sooner Than Expected

unusually warm summers in the Canadian High Arctic between 2003 and 2016 resulted in permafrost melt up to 240% higher than previous years.

the three areas of melting permafrost studied in remote northern Canada are believed to have been frozen for thousands of years.

“This change is unprecedented on this kind of time scale,”

As permafrost disappears, it creates what's known as thermokarst, a sinking landscape often pockmarked with lakes, holes and mounds. In one area the researchers studied, the ground sank about three feet

"There are these troughs of up to 90 centimeters (about 35 inches). It's kind of like the elevation of a kitchen countertop. There are small ponds in many of these troughs. It’s quite a profound change.”

Vegetation never before seen in the area is also creeping in.

exacerbates the problem by exposing thawing biological material to the atmosphere where it decomposes and releases CO2, a key element in global warming.

Research has also shown that loss of permafrost can wreak havoc on everything from animal habitat, migration and diet in the wild to agriculture and infrastructure in populated areas.

“Locally, these changes, they affect the vegetation, the ecology, the hydrology,” Farquharson explained. “It’s kind of a canary in the coal mine situation I would say."

https://weather.com/science/environment/news/2019-06-14-permafrost-melting-sooner (https://weather.com/science/environment/news/2019-06-14-permafrost-melting-sooner)

:lol the planet and human civilization is so unstoppably, irreversibly fucked! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Greenland lost 2 billion tons of ice this week, which is very unusual :lol

Over 40% of Greenland experienced melting Thursday, with total ice loss estimated to be more than 2 gigatons (equal to 2 billion tons) on just that day alone.

This much melting this early in the summer could be a bad sign, indicating 2019 could once again set records for the amount of Greenland ice loss.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/greenland-sudden-ice-melt-wxc/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/greenland-sudden-ice-melt-wxc/index.html)

[boutons_deux]

"the US military is doing its own thing.

They've taken the security implications of a rapidly changing climate into account for over a decade,

view it as a serious threat, and are preparing accordingly.

What's The Twist?

In a fascinating case of doublethink (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink),

the US Department of Defense (in the course of spending half the federal budget)

uses more oil than any other institution in the world,

generating more carbon emissions than the entire countries of Sweden and Denmark.

Since 2001, the

DOD has pumped out 1.2 billion metric tons of greenhouse gases

— the biggest chunk coming from the War on Terror.

https://thecompost.io/articles/the-war-machine

[boutons_deux]

With More Storms and Rising Seas, Which U.S. Cities Should Be Saved First?

As disaster costs keep rising nationwide, a troubling new debate has become urgent:

If there’s not enough money to protect every coastal community from the effects of human-caused global warming,

how should we decide which ones to save first?

there is growing consensus among policymakers and scientists that

coastal areas will require significant spending to ride out future storms and rising sea levels —

not in decades, but now and in the very near future.

There is also a growing realization that some communities, even sizable ones, will be left behind.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/climate/seawalls-cities-cost-climate-change.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/climate/seawalls-cities-cost-climate-change.html)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1149365694796115968

oof

[Chucho]

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1149365694796115968

oof

Funny thing- this summer...so far at least *knocks on wood*...has been much cooler than the previous 10 summers here locally. Whatever the cause, I'll take it.

[Chris]

Funny thing- this summer...so far at least *knocks on wood*...has been much cooler than the previous 10 summers here locally. Whatever the cause, I'll take it.

You still in Cali? It's hot af here in the hill country of Texas.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1149365694796115968

oof

One ambiguous study that you didn't read. :rollin

More evidence for the OP.

Thanks.

[Chris]

One ambiguous study that you didn't read. :rollin

More evidence for the OP.

Thanks.

You're welcome : )

[spurraider21]

wow, those guys came up with climate sensitivity at 0.24 degrees celsius for a doubling of CO2... thats dramatically lower than just about any other study. as they even acknowledge, most research indicate sensitive between a range of 2 and 5 degrees Celsius. they're at 10% of the lower end of that spectrum, which is quite the anomaly.

the claims are also oddly simplistic. we can draw a strong correlation between cloud cover and temperature, and therefore anthropogenic climate change can't exist. i've never read a peer reviewed paper that had such simplistic analysis

accordingly, no surprise it has not been peer reviewed yet.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1151554407483338752

Nice informative watch :tu (5minutes)

[spurraider21]

PragerU informative? heh

[boutons_deux]

Modern Climate Change Is the Only Worldwide Warming Event of the Past 2,000 Years

New research finds that previous periods of warming and cooling driven by natural causes were regional shifts in temperature rather than global events

https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/-qv1vf6j4HaNIXfOqn-96GXNKH8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale():focal(1009x657:1010x658)/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/74/3a/743aef43-3687-4178-8cc8-161c907f81ee/istock-944663414.jpg
Mount Bromo erupting in Indonesia.

Prior to 20th century industrialization, volcanoes were a primary driver of regional temperature changes over timescales of two or three decades, one of the studies found.

the only time in the past 2,000 years that nearly all of the Earth has undergone significant warming or cooling is the present period of change that began in the 20th century,

The rate of warming was also higher during the second half of the 20th century than during any similar period of the past 2,000 years,

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/modern-climate-change-only-worldwide-warming-event-past-2000-years-180972719/?utm_source=smithsoniandaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190724-daily-responsive&spMailingID=40276367&spUserID=NjY0ODU0NTQ2Mzk1S0&spJobID=1562034639&spReportId=MTU2MjAzNDYzOQS2 (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/modern-climate-change-only-worldwide-warming-event-past-2000-years-180972719/?utm_source=smithsoniandaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190724-daily-responsive&spMailingID=40276367&spUserID=NjY0ODU0NTQ2Mzk1S0&spJobID=1562034639&spReportId=MTU2MjAzNDYzOQS2)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1154889886094118913?s=20

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1154889886094118913?s=20
yes. carbon dioxide is necessary for life.

and also yes, excessive CO2 being pumped back into the atmosphere is warming the earth.

we also need water to live. but if you chug too much water in a short period of time, it can be fatal.

[Chris]

and also yes, excessive CO2 being pumped back into the atmosphere is warming the earth.

Are we back to "global warming" now, or are will still sticking to the infallible "climate change"? I need some clarification on your theories.

[spurraider21]

Are we back to "global warming" now, or are will still sticking to the infallible "climate change"? I need some clarification on your theories.
they're interchangeable, colloquially. there was never a change from one to the other. there are scientific papers from the late 1800's discussing climate change

glad i could clarify

[Chris]

they're interchangeable, colloquially. there was never a change from one to the other. there are scientific papers from the late 1800's discussing climate change

glad i could clarify

Are the scientific papers from the late 1800's in the infallible zone, or is this like a Dead Sea Scrolls thing for you?

[spurraider21]

Are the scientific papers from the late 1800's in the infallible zone, or is this like a Dead Sea Scrolls thing for you?
we're talking about the climate change/global warming terminology right now, not the fallibility or infallibility of the papers.

actually, you had raised this same question before and ran away when confronted on it

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197878&page=157&p=9343313&viewfull=1#post9343313

[spurraider21]

your claim was: global warming turned to climate change

my rebuttal was: no, it had been called climate change all along, going back to the the 1950's and even further, in some cases in the late 1800's

somehow, you think it's a valid deflection to then ask "yeah but are those papers infallible?"... you're moving the goalpost

[Chris]

Just asking for clarification on your global warming/climate change theory is all.

[spurraider21]

Just asking for clarification on your global warming/climate change theory is all.
it was clarified long ago, and you keep coming back to it to try to pull off some zinger instead of addressing the merits

LUL it used to be global warming but they changed it because they were wrong lol libs

[Chris]

it was clarified long ago, and you keep coming back to it to try to pull off some zinger instead of addressing the merits

LUL it used to be global warming but they changed it because they were wrong lol libs

I addressed the "merits" with my post about carbon dioxide. It refutes your "doom and gloom" theory, but you come back with: "excessive CO2 being pumped back into the atmosphere is warming the earth" Just repeating the lie ad nauseam does little to help your case imo. I was interested in how you are packaging it these days, not "trying to pull of some zinger." I don't do the troll thing.

[Chris]

Scientific papers from the 1800's tho.

[spurraider21]

I addressed the "merits" with my post about carbon dioxide. It refutes your "doom and gloom" theory, but you come back with: "excessive CO2 being pumped back into the atmosphere is warming the earth" Just repeating the lie ad nauseam does little to help your case imo. I was interested in how you are packaging it these days, not "trying to pull of some zinger." I don't do the troll thing.
yes, and i responded directly to that post, which took offense to CO2 being called a pollutant despite it being required for life on earth. something can be necessary, and yet harmful in high quantities. CO2 is among them. the warming effect of CO2 has been known about for quite some time, and has been experimentally observed in the last 100 years. you can call it repeating a lie, but its really just repeating the consistent findings that our temperature is increasing along with CO2 levels. combined with our knowledge that CO2 molecules have qualities that would lead to warming, it fits the puzzle piece quite well.

the theoretical knowledge and the experimental evidence go hand in hand.


Scientific papers from the 1800's tho.
again, i only brought those up to demonstrate that the term "climate change" has been used for a long time, and not something that was invented in the 2000's to replace the global warming term.

so i'm really not sure what point you think you're making here.

[Winehole23]

This is fine, normal weather variation, right?

1155765949850673152

[DarrinS]

0.65 mm :wow

[Winehole23]

0.65 mm :wowhow many Superdomes would that fill up?

[DarrinS]

how many Superdomes would that fill up?

Would evaporate in minutes. :lol

[Winehole23]

Would evaporate in minutes. :lo!You're aware that that the melt anomaly im Greenland alone is estimated to cause a global sea level rise of that magnitude within 4-5 months, aren't you?

For an engineer.you seem to have trouble putting these figures in context.

[DarrinS]

You're aware that that the melt anomaly im Greenland alone is estimated to cause a global sea level rise of that magnitude within 4-5 months, aren't you?

For an engineer.you seem to have trouble putting these figures in context.


0.65 mm? Better move to higher ground. :lol

[Winehole23]

That's exactly what I meant, thanks for underscoring my point.

[pgardn]

Trump’s political guys again not wanting science done.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/05/ziska-usda-climate-agriculture-trump-1445271

Definitely not a good way to get current research done.
Science is really tough on many red team members. I thought it was the domain of blue team “go organic” guys not really wanting to understand what organic means. Or the total misunderstanding of some blue team members about the safety of irradiated food.

Red team takes the ignorance points now. Not even close.

[Thread]

Trump’s political guys again not wanting science done.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/05/ziska-usda-climate-agriculture-trump-1445271

Definitely not a good way to get current research done.
Science is really tough on many red team members. I thought it was the domain of blue team “go organic” guys not really wanting to understand what organic means. Or the total misunderstanding of some blue team members about the safety of irradiated food.

Red team takes the ignorance points now. Not even close.

Thank Christ! I thought he was caving on this happy horseshit when I saw your lodgment.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1154889886094118913?s=20

LOL Prager U propaganda.

Not worth watching.

[RandomGuy]

0.65 mm :wow

THat is for a few day's melt, moron. It's like you can't extrapolate from incomplete

[RandomGuy]

how many Superdomes would that fill up?

:rollin

Well-played.

[boutons_deux]

TheState of the Climate in 2018 (https://www.ametsoc.net/sotc2018/SoC2018_ExecSummary.pdf) study also reported other key findings:



2018 was the fourth-warmest year on record. The three other warmest years were 2015, 2016 and 2017, with 2016 as the warmest year since records first began being kept in the mid-1800s.
Sea levels rose to record levels for a seventh consecutive year.
Glaciers continue to melt at a concerning rate for the 30th straight year.


"Every year since the start of the 21st Century has been warmer than the 1981-2010 average," the report said.

"In 2018, the dominant greenhouse gases released into Earth's atmosphere -- carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide -- continued to increase and reach new record highs."

In fact, the report found greenhouse gases warming influence on the planet have increased an alarming 43% since 1990.

Global carbon dioxide concentrations, which represent the bulk of the gases warming power, rose during 2018 to a record 407.4 parts per million, the study found.

That is "the highest in the modern instrumental record and in ice core records dating back 800,000 years," the report said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/world/state-of-climate-report-2018/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/world/state-of-climate-report-2018/index.html)

Man, esp Capitalism, has dumped a shitload in his bed, and there's no way to stop or reverse it.

[RandomGuy]

Pseudoscience is any belief system or methodology which tries to gain legitimacy by wearing the trappings of science, but fails to abide by the rigorous methodology and standards of evidence that demarcate true science. Pseudoscience is designed to have the appearance of being scientific, but lacks any of the substance of science.


From Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science by Martin Gardner

1.The pseudo-scientist considers himself a genius.

2.He regards other researchers as stupid, dishonest or both. By choice or necessity he operates outside the peer review system (hence the title of the original Antioch Review article, "The Hermit Scientist").

3.He believes there is a campaign against his ideas, a campaign compared with the persecution of Galileo or Pasteur.

4.Instead of side-stepping the mainstream, the pseudo-scientist attacks it head-on: The most revered scientist is Einstein so Gardner writes that Einstein is the most likely establishment figure to be attacked.

5.He coins neologisms. ["new words", in this case meant to sound as scientific as possible-RG]

In reading through numerous climate change threads, and websites, I have found many of the traits rampant within the Denier movement.

While I would not lump all people who doubt the current scientific consensus regarding man's effect on our climate into this category, I can say what I see quoted often by people making the argument almost invariably fits rather well into this.

Quite frankly the most damning thing in my mind is that Deniers tend to eschew the peer-review process entirely. Something shared in common with people putting forth theories about healing properties of some "energetically treated water" and so forth.

[RandomGuy]

"Now that we have established the drivers of past climate change, we can look at our current situation to see whether or not natural factors are causing the current warming (spoiler alert, they aren’t). You see, the thing that the “only 130+ years of data” argument ignores is that we already understand causal relationships when it comes to the drivers of climate change. In other words, scientists aren’t just sitting back and saying “well it’s been warming for 130+ years, therefore it must be us and it will keep on warming until we change.” Rather, they have carefully examined the cause of the warming, and it is the understanding of that cause that allows us to be so confident."

https://thelogicofscience.com/2017/01/23/how-long-is-long-enough-do-we-need-more-climate-data

[boutons_deux]

They found a seaweed, mixed into cow chow (a LOT of shit gets mixed into cow chow), that reduced methane from cows by "99%".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-15/seaweed-for-cows-could-be-mass-farmed-reduce-methane/11414724

Much better to kill industrial meat factories and stop eating mammal meat

Also stop wasting land and water on corn saturated with x-icides to make ethanol.

Thanks, Repugs, you destructive mofos.

[Winehole23]

According to the study linked in the article below, the melting of the West Antartica Ice Sheet has reached a tipping point, it'll cause sea level to rise ~10 feet, and it's probably our fault.



http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2019/08/the-antarctic-ice-sheet-is-melting-and-yeah-its-probably-our-fault/

[Winehole23]

Dp

[Thread]

According to the study linked in the article below, the melting of the West Antartica Ice Sheet has reached a tipping point, it'll cause sea level to rise ~10 feet, and it's probably our fault.



http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2019/08/the-antarctic-ice-sheet-is-melting-and-yeah-its-probably-our-fault/

We ain't even supposed to here right now according to that idiot Gore.

[Winehole23]

We ain't even supposed to here right now according to that idiot Gore.Yeah, you clearly weren't paying attention then, and you're not paying attention now either.

[Thread]

Yeah, you clearly weren't paying attention then, and you're not paying attention now either.

Because some guy tells me something I'm going to believe him? No. It's nothing more than a scam to separate Americans from their boodle.

& don't come at me with that science angle. I ain't buyin' it.

[spurraider21]

Because some guy tells me something I'm going to believe him? No. It's nothing more than a scam to separate Americans from their boodle.

& don't come at me with that science angle. I ain't buyin' it.
you sound like those chain smokers who didnt think the cancer was comin

[TheGreatYacht]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279583&p=9907590#post9907590

[TheGreatYacht]

HOW THE GORES, FATHER AND SON, HELPED THEIR PATRON OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM

WASHINGTON, D.C. January 11, 2000 — On Sept. 7, 1995, Vice President Albert Gore Jr., stood on the White House lawn and talked in sweeping terms about ending the era of big government. He touted a list of recommendations formulated by the National Performance Review, an initiative Gore directed that he claimed streamlined the federal bureaucracy, cut unnecessary waste and helped make the government “work better and cost less.” Gore said that his report, delivered to President Clinton that day, would continue the drive to “reinvent government.”

Gore did not mention that his recommendations to the president included a plan to give oil companies access to thousands of acres of oil-rich, publicly owned land that the U.S. Navy has held as emergency reserves since 1912. Ever since the federal government earmarked the reserves for military emergencies, the oil industry had tried and failed to pry them away from the Navy.

In 1922 a couple of oil men Edward L. Doheny and Harry Sinclair bribed Albert Fall, the secretary of the interior in the Harding administration, for secret leases to drill on two of the fields, the Teapot Dome field just outside of Casper, Wyo., and the Elk Hills field in Bakersfield, Calif. Doheny and his Pan American Petroleum and Transport Co. (later Atlantic Richfield Co, or ARCO), paid $300,000 to Fall in exchange for the rights. When the bribes were uncovered, the ensuing Teapot Dome scandal forced the resignations of Fall (who later went to prison), and Edward Denby, the secretary of the Navy.

IN 1973, DURING THE ARAB oil embargo, the Nixon administration tried to lease Elk Hills to boost domestic oil production. In 1984, 1986 and 1987, the Reagan administration proposed selling Elk Hills for a lump-sum payment of $1.5 billion that would go toward reducing the federal budget deficit. Each time, Congress wisely blocked the sale of Elk Hills.

But where Fall, Nixon and Reagan had failed, Gore succeeded. Despite the history of the naval petroleum reserves, despite the royalty revenues that the field continued to generate, Gore recommended that the government put Elk Hills on the auction block. Clinton took Gore’s advice and approved a deal to let oil companies buy some of the reserves. The White House then pushed to have language authorizing the sales inserted in the 1996 defense authorization bill, which Congress ultimately approved. Oil companies bid on the field and, finally, on Oct. 6, 1997, the Energy Department announced that the government would sell its interest in the 47,000-acre Elk Hills reserve to Occidental Petroleum Corp. for $3.65 billion. It was the largest privatization of federal property in U.S. history, one that tripled Occidental’s U.S. oil reserves overnight. During the months after the sale, Occidental tripled the amount of natural gas extracted from the field.

Although the Energy Department was required to assess the likely environmental consequences of the proposed sale, it didn’t. Instead it hired a private company, ICF Kaiser International, Inc., to complete the assessment. The general chairman of Gore’s presidential campaign, Tony Coelho, sat on the board of directors.

Just hours after the announcement of the Elk Hills sale, Gore stood across town on the campus of Georgetown University and delivered a speech to the White House Conference on Climate Change on the “terrifying prospect” of global warming, a problem he attributed to the unchecked use of fossil fuels such as oil.

EVEN AS OCCIDENTAL was moving forward with plans to boost oil production at Elk Hills, Gore told his audience: “If we ignore the scientific warnings and continue stubbornly on our current course, we’d better begin to prepare what we would like to say to our children and grandchildren, because if they encounter the terrible consequences the scientific community is saying now come as a result of global climate disruption, and then look back at the evidence which was clearly laid out for us in our generation, they might fairly ask, If you knew all that, why didn’t you do something about it?’”

If there is one oil company that Gore might ask “our children and grandchildren” to forgive, it is Occidental Petroleum. The company has been a steady supplier of campaign funds to Gore and to the Democratic Party, though its relationship with Gore goes far deeper. Armand Hammer, who built Occidental Petroleum into the behemoth it is today and who’s been described as “the Godfather of American corporate corruption,” liked to say that he had Gore’s father, Sen. Albert Gore, Sr., “in my back pocket.” When the elder Gore left the Senate in 1970, Hammer gave him a $500,000-a-year job as the chairman of Island Coal Creek Co., an Occidental subsidiary, and a seat on Occidental’s board of directors. By 1992, Gore owned Occidental stock valued at $680,000.

FOR PART OF HIS CAREER, Albert Gore Sr., received two paychecks: one from the taxpayers and another from Hammer. Hammer, who raised prize bulls, met the elder Gore at a Tennessee cattle auction in the 1940s. He put Gore, who was then a member of the House, on the payroll of his New Jersey cattle business. Thus began a cozy relationship between the two men that would last until Hammer’s death in 1990.

Hammer personified the worst excesses of both capitalism and Communism. In his biography of Hammer (Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer), Edward Jay Epstein notes that Hammer built a pencil factory outside Moscow in 1926 and returned to the United States soon after to launder funds for the Communist Party. In the 1930s, Hammer marketed something he called the “Romanoff Treasure,” a collection of fake Russian art that he passed off as genuine. Much of the proceeds of the sales went to Josef Stalin’s government. Hammer helped recruit Soviet spies and position them in the U.S. government. At one time he even had a contract to train dogs for the Soviet police.

FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover wanted to prosecute Hammer for his activities on behalf of the Soviet government. But Hammer had friends in Congress whom Hoover believed would attempt to protect him from prosecution; among them was Gore, who took to the floor of the Senate once to defend Hammer against allegations of bribery (later proved to be true) in obtaining government contracts.

Gore’s job as a senator was even more useful to Hammer the capitalist. In January 1961 the most sought-after ticket in Washington was to John F. Kennedy’s inaugural ball; Gore made sure that Hammer got one. A few months later, Gore successfully lobbied the Commerce Department to allow Hammer to visit the Soviet Union. The Kennedy administration had banned the importation of Soviet crabmeat on the ground that it was produced with slave labor; Hammer reported that he had found no evidence to support the ban, which was soon lifted. Gore even suggested to President Kennedy that Hammer, whom the FBI had long known was an agent for the Soviet Union, act as an envoy to Nikita Khrushchev should any crisis erupt between the two superpowers.

In April 1968, Senator Gore stood by Hammer’s side when the industrialist officially opened his Libyan oil fields. Occidental was not a player in world crude-oil markets until Hammer bribed King Idris and some of his officials to gain a concession to the huge reserves there. Two years after Gore left the Senate, Hammer placed him on Occidental’s board of directors, where he earned a much higher salary than he had as a U.S. senator.

BY THE TIME the younger Gore was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, the Gore relationship with Hammer had already begun to transfer from father to son. In the 1960s, Gore informed Hammer that zinc ore had been discovered near the Gore farm in Smith County, Tenn. Hammer, who owned Occidental Minerals (a subsidiary of Occidental Petroleum), bought the land for $160,000, twice the only other offer. But after buying the land, Hammer made a strange decision at least from a business standpoint. Rather than mine the zinc-rich land, he offered instead to let Gore buy it from him. Then, once ownership transferred to Gore, Occidental starting paying Gore $20,000 per year for the mineral rights to mine it. After the first payment, Gore Sr. sold the land to his son for $140,000. Gore has received a $20,000 check in the mail almost every year since.

Perhaps even more astounding than Hammer’s decision to sell the land and pay royalties is that Occidental never actually mined the land. In 1985, Gore began leasing the land to Union Zinc, Inc., a competitor of Occidental. Gore still receives $20,000 a year in royalties. In all, the Hammer-engineered sweetheart deal has put hundreds of thousands of dollars in profits in Gore’s pocket.

The relationship between Hammer and Al Gore, Jr., continued. Gore and his wife once caught a ride across the Atlantic Ocean on Hammer’s private jet; they hosted Hammer at Reagan’s 1984 inauguration and President Bush’s in 1988; and they attended Hammer’s 90th birthday extravaganza in Washington on May 21, 1988. When Hammer came to Washington for business, he and Gore frequently lunched together in the company of Occidental’s lobbyists.

In return, Hammer and members of his family bent over backward to get money into Gore’s campaigns.

GORE RECOGNIZED that his relationship with Hammer and his company did not look good. In 1992, before President Clinton settled on him as his running mate, Gore’s father wrote a memo for Clinton on his ties to Occidental to prepare him for possible questions about it. After the election, however, Gore resumed his old relationship with the company and its new chairman, Ray Irani.

Occidental, for example, loaned $100,000 to the Presidential Inaugural Committee to help pay for the ceremony and the celebrations surrounding it. And Gore used his connections to bring in money from Occidental for the Clinton/Gore re-election campaign. According to a memo from White House Deputy Chief of Staff Harold Ickes, Occidental gave $50,000 in response to one of Gore’s “no controlling legal authority” telephone calls from his office in the White House. Indeed, since Gore became part of the Democratic ticket in the summer of 1992, Occidental has given more than $470,000 in soft money to various Democratic committees and causes.

Irani might lack Hammer’s high profile the old chairman traded quips with Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show but he has been as cozy as his predecessor was with occupants of the White House. Two days after he slept in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House, Irani’s company dropped $100,000 on the Democratic National Committee He was also one of 130 guests at Clinton’s second official state dinner, on Sept. 27, 1994, where then-Russian President Boris Yeltsin and his wife were the guests of honor. Occidental had some interest in Russian oil; in the spring of 1994, Irani had traveled with the late Commerce Secretary Ronald Brown on a trade mission to Russia.

Uranium Deal Helps Benefactors, but Costs Taxpayers $2.1 Billion
IN 1993, Vice President Gore boarded Air Force Two and flew to Moscow for meetings with Russian Prime Minister Victor Chernomyrdin about the vitally important task of protecting nuclear weapons and nuclear material in the newly decentralized former Soviet Union. It was a natural mission for Gore; during his tenure in the Senate, he had become something of an expert in arms control agreements and, thanks to the patronage from Hammer, had already met with Anatoly Dobrynin, Moscow’s longtime ambassador to Washington.

Many defense experts consider Russia’s nuclear arsenal to pose the greatest immediate threat to U.S. security, of even greater concern than China’s alleged acquisition of U.S. nuclear secrets. The Chinese will no doubt develop sophisticated warheads and the missiles to launch them over the next decade or two; the Russians already have them. The fear of loose nukes grew as economic conditions in the old Soviet republics deteriorated in the early 1990s. Gore’s mission was to reach an agreement with Russia on a way to manage all those weapons in a post-Cold War world.

Gore and Chernomyrdin signed a 20-year, $12 billion deal under which Russia would ship its weapons-grade uranium to the United States. The U.S. Enrichment Corp. (then government-owned) would buy the highly enriched uranium, process it into lower grade, reactor-friendly uranium and sell it to nuclear power plants in the United States. The cash-starved Russian government would get much-needed dollars to pay its nuclear scientists, those scientists would not be tempted to offer their services around the world, and nuclear material would be under the protection of the United States.

IT LOOKED GOOD ON PAPER, but it didn’t work out that way. In 1996, Congress passed a bill to privatize the U.S. Enrichment Corp., a move that threatened the Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement, though one that in fact would ultimately benefit Gore.

Foreign policy experts including Thomas Neff, a senior researcher for the Center for International Studies at the Massachusetts Institute for Technology, who conceived of the uranium agreement warned that privatization threatened the deal. A privatized, profit-seeking U.S. Enrichment Corp., would pay Russia far less cash for its uranium than the amount Gore and Chernomyrdin had originally agreed on. Gore, as the broker of the deal, was in a perfect position to lobby against the privatization scheme. He didn’t. Instead, the Clinton-Gore administration wholeheartedly supported privatization of USEC as part of its efforts to “reinvent government.”

USEC’s board of directors, led by William Rainer, a large donor to the Presidential Inaugural Committee in 1993, had decided to consider two options: Sell the company to a behemoth like Lockheed Martin Corp., or go it alone with an initial public offering. Rainer and the board chose the latter course. In 1998, the U.S. government got $1.9 billion from the sale of USEC to private investors. Clinton rewarded Rainer for presiding over USEC’s privatization by nominating him to serve as the chairman of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission. At his Senate confirmation hearings, Rainer said, “I thought it was the right decision, and one year later, I look at the decision and I still think it was the right decision.”

The decision was certainly right for some of Gore’s biggest benefactors, which quickly cashed in on what turned out to be a $75 million bonanza. Wall Street firms such as Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter & Company; Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.; and Goldman Sachs & Co., Gore’s No. 3 career patron, collectively raked in at least $42 million in underwriting fees. Well-connected law firms, among them Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom and Patton, Boggs earned nearly $11 million for their part in taking the company private. USEC retained J.P. Morgan & Company, Inc., as its adviser in the deal; J.P. Morgan, in turn, , hired Greg Simon, Gore’s domestic policy adviser, for a fee of $10,000 a month to help it select the new, privatized company’s directors.

AS NEFF AND OTHER EXPERTS had predicted, however, the deal soon began to unravel. Later in 1998 USEC announced that it had received shipments of uranium from the U.S. Department of Energy. The sudden glut caused the worldwide price of uranium to plummet, and the Russians suddenly stood to receive less money than they had been promised. Yeltsin’s government cried foul and threatened to sell its nuclear material to other countries, including Iran. The White House scrambled to come up with the money the Russians demanded, and managed to quietly slip an extra $325 million for the Russians a taxpayer-financed bailout into an omnibus appropriations bill before Congress.

Neff, the architect of the plan to ship Russia’s weapons-grade uranium to USEC for reprocessing, estimates that it will cost taxpayers $140 million a year for 15 years to continue purchasing the Russian nuclear material, for a total cost of $2.1 billion or $200 million more than the sale of USEC brought in. Gore’s “reinvention” of USEC made a lot of money for some of his most reliable political patrons. It also endangered nuclear arms control and left in private hands the management of facilities that are contaminated with deadly substances.

https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/how-the-gores-father-and-son-helped-their-patron-occidental-petroleum/

[TheGreatYacht]

Elk Hills Oil Field

https://youtu.be/Q0s8Xy1vRes




So much for Al Gore being an environmentalist :flipoff

[pgardn]

Because some guy tells me something I'm going to believe him? No. It's nothing more than a scam to separate Americans from their boodle.

& don't come at me with that science angle. I ain't buyin' it.

Science angle...

You mean that thingy that allows you to express your thoughts here?
“I don’t believe electricity can be used to transfer information.
damn science angle... I believe it when it suits me.”

[Thread]

Science angle...

You mean that thingy that allows you to express your thoughts here?
“I don’t believe electricity can be used to transfer information.
damn science angle... I believe it when it suits me.”

Don't be purposely obtuse.

[boutons_deux]

'This Is Crazy': Scientists Alarmed as Lightning Near North Pole Seen as Latest Sign of Climate Breakdown

"I think there's potential for nasty surprises coming out of the Arctic."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/13/crazy-scientists-alarmed-lightning-near-north-pole-seen-latest-sign-climate?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Email (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/13/crazy-scientists-alarmed-lightning-near-north-pole-seen-latest-sign-climate?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Email)

[spurraider21]

Al Gore isn’t a scientist

[Thread]

Al Gore isn’t a scientist

...they're on the tit just like the next deadbeat on the trough. Fuck them.

[TheGreatYacht]

Al Gore isn’t a scientist

He's just a conman pretending to care about planet Earth

[Thread]

He's just a conman pretending to care about planet Earth

Tell it, Yahtzee. Testify!!!

[spurraider21]

He's just a conman pretending to care about planet Earth
true. he has enriched himself quite a bit.

but that doesn't speak to the credibility of the science

[Winehole23]

Declining vegetative growth due to warming:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-stopped-getting-greener-20-years-ago/

[boutons_deux]

Declining vegetative growth due to warming:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-stopped-getting-greener-20-years-ago/

the planet is fucked and unfuckable

planetary tipping point reached and passed

btw, huge spike in atmospheric methane, much worse than CO2, over the past 10 years, almost certainly caused by Sky People's fracking.

[Thread]

the planet is fucked and unfuckable

planetary tipping point reached and passed

btw, huge spike in atmospheric methane, much worse than CO2, over the past 10 years, almost certainly caused by Sky People's fracking.

...well, your Hussein was President for 7 of those 10 years, sweetheart.

You've nary room.

& if it's so fucked you should step offin' it.

Buh, bye.

[RandomGuy]

U.S. MEDIA GIVES WAY TOO MUCH AIR TIME TO CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, STUDY FINDS

https://www.newsweek.com/media-air-time-climate-change-deniers-scientists-1454498


Media outlets reporting on climate change will bring in deniers in an effort to "balance" coverage and present an alternative view. However, to viewers, this then places them—often a person with no scientific background—on the same level as someone who is an expert in the field.

"It's not just false balance; the numbers show that the media are 'balancing' experts—who represent the overwhelming majority of reputable scientists—with the views of a relative handful of non-experts," study author Professor LeRoy Westerling said in a statement. "Most of the contrarians are not scientists, and the ones who are have very thin credentials. They are not in the same league with top scientists. They aren't even in the league of the average career climate scientist."

Last year, the U.K.'s BBC was found to have broken accuracy guidelines in 2017 after Lord Nigel Lawson—a known climate change denier—made inaccurate statements that went unchallenged. Following the incident, the broadcaster sent out a memo to staff saying it gets climate change coverage "wrong too often" and that journalists "do not need a 'denier' to balance the debate," the The Guardian reported.

Shocking.

Deniers have no expertise, and don't really care what the truth of the science is. Like we needed a study to tell us that? heh. Of course we did. Nerds.

[Winehole23]

Neither the advertiser nor the outlet suffers for the educated outrage of the audience: it's a look at me dance, a mere spectacle of controversy contrived for TV or video.

It's a celebration dance of impunity and scorn but in the end, natural feedback loops will not be mocked; the rate of change will not be mocked.

[DarrinS]

deniers :cry

[Winehole23]

deniers :cryminimizers like you will probably live long enough to eat your own words.

Geological change, historical timeframe. Early indications seem to be the climate models were too conservatative.

[spurraider21]

U.S. MEDIA GIVES WAY TOO MUCH AIR TIME TO CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, STUDY FINDS

https://www.newsweek.com/media-air-time-climate-change-deniers-scientists-1454498



Shocking.

Deniers have no expertise, and don't really care what the truth of the science is. Like we needed a study to tell us that? heh. Of course we did. Nerds.
2:44 on


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=113&v=cjuGCJJUGsg

[Thread]

minimizers like you will probably live long enough to eat your own words.

Geological change, historical timeframe. Early indications seem to be the climate models were too conservatative.

Tryin' to lift my boodle for your discretion.

NoPERIOD

[boutons_deux]

Elk Hills Oil Field

https://youtu.be/Q0s8Xy1vRes

So much for Al Gore being an environmentalist :flipoff

"There Will Be Blood"

[RandomGuy]

2:44 on


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=113&v=cjuGCJJUGsg

Thanks. Oddly enough my 13 year old is a huge fan of this show. It is one of our father son things. :D

[RandomGuy]

deniers :cry

"look at me, I'm a victim" :cry

Pick a better word, and if you say "skeptic" I am going to reach through your monitor and smack the shit out of you, because the way you approach this topic is shamefully unskeptical.

you deny evidence.

you deny ever admitting anything wrong with your shitty arguments

You deny there is anything wrong.

Seems to fit pretty well.

[Winehole23]

Tryin' to lift my boodle for your discretion.

NoPERIODClimate change is probably already lifting your boodle. If we do nothing to mitigate it, the economic and social impacts will be worse.

Climate change is going to be a huge civilizational cost regardless. "Not my boodle" skeptics like you tend ensure the maximum future impact.

[boutons_deux]

the BigCarbon/Capitalist anthropocene massive extinction continues

Alaska's water temperatures have been so hot this summer that salmon are dying off in large numbers (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/21/1880433/-Alaska-s-water-temperatures-have-been-so-hot-this-summer-that-salmon-are-dying-off-in-large-numbers)

Salmon are showing up dead in record numbers across Western Alaska this summer, and

scientists believe it is due to an unprecedented heat wave.

counted “850 dead unspawned salmon on that expedition, although they estimated the total was likely four to 10 times larger.” (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/16/us/alaska-salmon-hot-water-trnd/index.html)

The scientists saw no signs of disease or infections.

These salmon, they believe, are dying off in record numbers due to the heat.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1880433 (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1880433)

[DarrinS]

Thanks. Oddly enough my 13 year old is a huge fan of this show. It is one of our father son things. :D

Father and son watching woke pseudo comedy. sad

[spurraider21]

Father and son watching woke pseudo comedy. sad
what a grump you are, tbh

[DarrinS]

what a grump you are, tbh

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Thanks. Oddly enough my 13 year old is a huge fan of this show. It is one of our father son things. :D

he's ok with all the "fucking" and "fucks" :)

[boutons_deux]

Scientists Definitively Debunk the Biggest Climate Change Lie

not only is the planet warming faster than at any time in the last 2,000 years (https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-07/uob-tci072419.php), but

this unique climate change really does have neither a historic precedent nor a natural cause.

The only period in which the world’s climate has changed, everywhere and at the same time, is right now.

The present sustained, ubiquitous warming is unique in that it can be

coupled directly with the Industrial Revolution,

the clearing of the forests,

population growth and

profligate use of fossil fuels.

the Nature study clarifies a point of possible confusion.

There have been changes in modern human history,

but none of them global and synchronous (happening at the same time).

They were random fluctuations within the climate system, and

even changes in solar activity (https://climatenewsnetwork.net/astronomers-take-the-heat-out-of-sunspots-theory/) or volcanic surges (https://climatenewsnetwork.net/volcanoes-may-mask-lost-warming/) could not affect all of the planet at any one time.

The peak periods of pre-industrial warm and cold periods occurred at different times in different places.”

This paper should finally stop climate change deniers claiming that the recent observed coherent global warming is part of a natural climate cycle.

“This paper shows the truly stark difference between

regional and localised changes in climates of the past and

the truly global effect of anthropogenic greenhouse emissions.”

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/scientists-definitively-debunk-the-biggest-climate-change-lie/ (https://www.truthdig.com/articles/scientists-definitively-debunk-the-biggest-climate-change-lie/)

[boutons_deux]

BigCarbon, Sky People, continue to murder the planet, for profit

The Petrochemical Industry Is Killing Another Black Community in ‘Cancer Alley’

Residents of St. James are fighting new plastics plants—

but some wonder if they should leave before it's too late.

https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Kardas-portrait_img.jpg

https://www.thenation.com/article/st-james-louisiana-plastic-petrochemicals-buy-out/

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1169376592398835713?s=20

[DarrinS]

These dudes always seem to get stuck in the ice

https://maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1169376592398835713?s=20
so he has a group for the politicians/media that are alarmists, but none for the deniers who say its all a haox? lol

[RandomGuy]

Father and son watching woke pseudo comedy. sad

The show is, collectively, massively more informing on a variety of topics than Fox "news" that hyper-focuses on culture war things that you people think is important.

What is your take on bail bonds, for example?

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1169376592398835713?s=20

:lol PragerU

Good example of the kinds of slick propaganda that sounds good to people like you, much like sciency-sounding brochures for magic crystals sounds good to the anti-vaxx crowd.

What was most amusing is the expert there failed to mention another group of stakeholders in the debate.

If you watch the video the omission is glaringly obvious.

Shockingly enough Mr. Lindzen receives a fair amount of funding from this group of stakeholders.

Who do you think this group is Qhris? Take a guess.

[boutons_deux]

Funding[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PragerU&action=edit&section=3)]

Two of PragerU's largest donors are the hydraulic fracturing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing) billionaires Dan and Farris Wilks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_and_Farris_Wilks).[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU#cite_note-buzzfeed_2018-03-03-7)

Two members of the Wilks family are on PragerU's board.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU#cite_note-buzzfeed_2018-03-03-7)

The next-largest donor is the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynde_and_Harry_Bradley_Foundation).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU#cite_note-motherjones-5)[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU#cite_note-Sludge-17)

Other donors include the Morgan Family Foundation,

Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidelity_Charitable_Gift_Fund), Donors Trust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donors_Trust), and

the Minnesota-based Sid and Carol Verdoorn Foundation, led by former C.H. Robinson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.H._Robinson) CEO Sid Verdoorn.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU#cite_note-Sludge-17)
The organization has a $10 million annual budget, of which it spends more than 40% on marketing.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU#cite_note-buzzfeed_2018-03-03-7)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU#Funding

Prager and friend and cheap BigMoney whores

[Chris]

*me ignoring RandomGuy's posts


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[RandomGuy]

*me ignoring RandomGuy's posts


https://media.giphy.com/media/URI7924u8ybpm/giphy.gif

I get it. You can't defend anything. You say that is if I didn't already know that.

What would mythical Jesus do? :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1171524856992518151?s=20

[spurraider21]

leader?