Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1

[RandomGuy]

Qhris triggered by little girl. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Leak suggests UN agency self-censors on climate crisis after US pressure

International Organization for Migration apparently amends programme documentation to avoid conflict with US ‘political sensitivities’

the US state department’s Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (PRM) told the agency documents related to

programme activities it funds “must not be in conflict with current [US government] political sensitivities”.

Sensitivities include the

climate crisis,

sustainable development goals,

the global compact for migration (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/dec/10/un-states-agree-historic-global-deal-to-manage-refugee-crisis)and

“anything that seems at odds with the administration’s take on US domestic/foreign issues”, the official wrote in the email.

“Documents related to programme activities, especially those that will be published online, may require prior review and approval by the donor,” they went on, requesting that colleagues use “discretion” and share relevant documents “in enough time to make any necessary adjustments in coordination with PRM”.

The email’s author noted that

“PRM is very willing to cut funding in areas that it deems are not in line with US foreign policy objectives”,

and asked that the substance of the email be conveyed by regional coordinators “to all country focal points”.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/sep/11/leak-suggests-un-agency-self-censors-on-climate-crisis-after-us-pressure (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/sep/11/leak-suggests-un-agency-self-censors-on-climate-crisis-after-us-pressure)

Trash, Repugs, oligarchy are blatantly, aggressively FORCES for EVIL and DESTRUCTION

[RandomGuy]

https://climate.nasa.gov/system/content_pages/main_images/203_co2-graph-061219.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Global Temperature Rise

The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.4 Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with the five warmest years on record taking place since 2010. Not only was 2016 the warmest year on record, but eight of the 12 months that make up the year — from January through September, with the exception of June — were the warmest on record for those respective months. 5

[RandomGuy]

Warming Oceans
The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of more than 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.

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The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass.
Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost an average of 286 billion tons of ice per year between 1993 and 2016, while Antarctica lost about 127 billion tons of ice per year during the same time period. The rate of Antarctica ice mass loss has tripled in the last decade.7

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Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.8

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Decreased Snow Cover
Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and that the snow is melting earlier.9

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Sea Level Rise
Global sea level rose about 8 inches in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century and is accelerating slightly every year.10

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Declining Arctic Sea Ice
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.11

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Extreme Events
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.12

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Ocean Acidification
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent.13,14 This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.15,16

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/


The evidence has simply gotten clearer in the 9 years since the beginning of this thread. The planets climate is changing quickly, and no other explanation fits the evidence: We are causing it.

[TheGreatYacht]

The best and most effective way to save our planet is to stop reproducing so much as a species. Educate Muslims blacks and Hispanics to stop popping out so many babies.

[RandomGuy]

The best and most effective way to save our planet is to stop reproducing so much as a species. Educate Muslims blacks and Hispanics to stop popping out so many babies.

Nope. We can easily accomodate more people. Technology has made vast strides in the amount of resources needed to support each new person.

The malthusian death spiral has been predicted since the 1700s.

[pgardn]

Getting the kids to do the bidding for a cause is a bit suspect.
Yes it is their world to inherit, but sticking with the science is the best way imo.
And because some people dont have a clue how science works in this country... Its really gonna take industry leaders imo.

It would also be advisable to not show the worst case models and then exaggerate them.
These petroleum nuts think this is like the 70s gas crisis. Or they have no fckn clue that we have already put a large dent into big climate problems like acid rain, upper level ozone depletion (less so but still pretty amazing).
This one will be tougher though.

I guess putting it off like the deficit is not advisable either as when it gets cold this winter (go figure), everything will be okay again.
Im not entirely sure how to get through to people who dont really know what is going on. You wont change the granite heads, as they link it to a guy chaining himself to a tree.

[TheGreatYacht]

Many conspiracy theorists believe that climate change is a hoax and is used as a manipulation tool for depopulation and to implement a carbon tax via Agenda 30 (formerly known as Agenda 21). To control us.

Even if the conspiracy theories turn out to be true/false doesn't mean we should keep reproducing like rabbits straining our natural resources. Every baby born will potentially require a new car, new phone and new house.

Overpopulation is a taboo subject that most people just like to brush aside. Our demands and consumerism is destroying our planet more than carbon dioxide tbh.

[TSA]

Nope. We can easily accomodate more people. Technology has made vast strides in the amount of resources needed to support each new person.

The malthusian death spiral has been predicted since the 1700s.

Where does the land and water come from to magically grow all of the non-gmo/organic/free range/grass fed food you desire to feed the world with?

[DarrinS]

The best and most effective way to save our planet is to stop reproducing so much as a species. Educate Muslims blacks and Hispanics to stop popping out so many babies.


Don't forget about cow farts.

[spurraider21]

Many conspiracy theorists believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRTOorIs_bc

[pgardn]

Don't forget about cow farts.

Yes, methane is a greenhouse gas.
This is what you meant.

[RandomGuy]

Where does the land and water come from to magically grow all of the non-gmo/organic/free range/grass fed food you desire to feed the world with?

I am all for GMOs, sorry. Wrong strawman, liar.

There is plenty of arable land, and water, if we are smarter about how we use both. It will require some serious public works though. Be ready to whine about that.

[RandomGuy]

Don't forget about cow farts.

Another lazy dig. It's like you can't do better, and I have given up a long time ago. Your side likes to rail against Boutons, but whatever you can say about him, he isn't lazy.

We can feed people without animals. Limiting meat consumption will have to be part of it, or at least mitigating the worst effects.

99% of the calories fed into cows vanish. Not really an efficient way to feed people, when one is faced with allocating farmland.

[boutons_deux]

I am all for GMOs, sorry. Wrong strawman, liar.

There is plenty of arable land, and water, if we are smarter about how we use both.

bullshit

BigAg, BigMeat, BigChem will block all of your bullshit plans.

GMOs require 100 tons of BigChem poi$on$ (which was ALWAYS the BigChem objective), so will make pollution worse.

Enslavement of agriculture world-wide to annual purchases sterile GMO seeds and their required poisons is the goal of GMO industry.

Many regions of the planet are already water-stressed. Drought is one of the drivers of the Northern Triangle people to USA. Drough started the Syrian civil war.

The increasing demand and consumption of horribly inefficient, pathogenic meat will continue to waste land and water to grow a few pounds of feed to produce 1 pound of meat.

[boutons_deux]

North America Has Lost More Than 1 in 4 Birds in Last 50 Years, New Study Says

For the first time, researchers have estimated the volume of total avian loss in the Western Hemisphere—and it’s not just threatened species that are declining. Many backyard favorites are also losing ground.

https://www.audubon.org/news/north-america-has-lost-more-1-4-birds-last-50-years-new-study-says?ms=digital-eng-social-facebook-x-20190900_fb_link_-_3bb_editorial&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=20190900_fb_link_-_3bb_editorial&fbclid=IwAR200cqCUeM9a8simoLp-ecC3VI3VY9jCd1X5hjkMRoxvwCLxEo-sgkimoE (https://www.audubon.org/news/north-america-has-lost-more-1-4-birds-last-50-years-new-study-says?ms=digital-eng-social-facebook-x-20190900_fb_link_-_3bb_editorial&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=20190900_fb_link_-_3bb_editorial&fbclid=IwAR200cqCUeM9a8simoLp-ecC3VI3VY9jCd1X5hjkMRoxvwCLxEo-sgkimoE)

BigAg/BigChem poisons are wiping out insects, so birds and bats are in decline.

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1171524856992518151?s=20

:lmao everyone's buying into a total scam propped up by a very exploited autistic child.

[koriwhat]

Getting the kids to do the bidding for a cause is a bit suspect.
Yes it is their world to inherit, but sticking with the science is the best way imo.

:lol listening to kids to dictate how we live... when's the last time you took a kid seriously tbh? :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

A Rothschild Says Climate Change `Past Point of Talking'

https://youtu.be/5vS1l2X_G9Q

[TheGreatYacht]

Prince Charles urges action against climate change 'before it is too late'

https://youtu.be/Lyoo9UKY4_s

[TheGreatYacht]

Trump Pastor: God Wants Humans To Destroy The Environment

https://youtu.be/-sIXujB8uDs

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Prince Charles urges action against climate change 'before it is too late'


It's Too Late, GAMEOVER

[DarrinS]

Another lazy dig. It's like you can't do better, and I have given up a long time ago. Your side likes to rail against Boutons, but whatever you can say about him, he isn't lazy.

We can feed people without animals. Limiting meat consumption will have to be part of it, or at least mitigating the worst effects.

99% of the calories fed into cows vanish. Not really an efficient way to feed people, when one is faced with allocating farmland.


Fuck that, tbh

You go ahead and go full vegan or start eating bugs, if you're so worried.

I notice that even the most alarmist climate change hucksters dont actually change their personal behavior. Perhaps they aren't actually that worried. :lol

[DarrinS]

It's Too Late, GAMEOVER

The Obama's are so worried, they bought oceanfront property in Martha's Vineyard. :lol

[spurraider21]

Fuck that, tbh

You go ahead and go full vegan or start eating bugs, if you're so worried.
except an individual's action isn't going to affect global patterns


I notice that even the most alarmist climate change hucksters dont actually change their personal behavior. Perhaps they aren't actually that worried. :lol
its true that the celebrity faces like gore and dicaprio can be extreme hypocrites. but that's a criticism of them as individuals, rather than the public concerns

[TheGreatYacht]

Fuck that, tbh

You go ahead and go full vegan or start eating bugs, if you're so worried.

I notice that even the most alarmist climate change hucksters dont actually change their personal behavior. Perhaps they aren't actually that worried. :lol

This needs to be an agreed and collective effort. Our human evolutionary instincts tells us "if I don't eat that bacon someone else will." Until we all agree to train our minds, adapt and willingly change our lifestyles like not have too many kids, lower our meat consumption, etc. then nothing will ever be accomplished and our natural resources will be depleted.

Meat consumption requires farmland and agriculture. Farmland and agriculture is the biggest cause of deforestation. Maybe the elites know that we will not change our lifestyles voluntarily so they trying to push this Agenda 30 on us? Depopulation?

[TSA]

I am all for GMOs, sorry. Wrong strawman, liar.

There is plenty of arable land, and water, if we are smarter about how we use both. It will require some serious public works though. Be ready to whine about that.

Where is all the arable land you speak of and where is the water for said land?

[TSA]

This needs to be an agreed and collective effort. Our human evolutionary instincts tells us "if I don't eat that bacon someone else will." Until we all agree to train our minds, adapt and willingly change our lifestyles like not have too many kids, lower our meat consumption, etc. then nothing will ever be accomplished and our natural resources will be depleted.

Meat consumption requires farmland and agriculture. Farmland and agriculture is the biggest cause of deforestation. Maybe the elites know that we will not change our lifestyles voluntarily so they trying to push this Agenda 30 on us? Depopulation?

Fruit and vegetable consumption require farmland and agriculture.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fruit and vegetable consumption require farmland and agriculture.

If bitches stop popping put 4 or 5 babies and we all learn to grow our own fruits and vegetables in our backyards we can go a long way in conserving our natural resources.

[TSA]

If bitches stop popping put 4 or 5 babies and we all learn to grow our own fruits and vegetables in our backyards we can go a long way in conserving our natural resources.

How do people living in the city with no yard grow their own?

[TheGreatYacht]

How do people living in the city with no yard grow their own?

Tough luck. They better change their ways soon, try to get a home and stop having babies that they can't afford. Reform our welfare and tax system to not reward people for having babies.

[boutons_deux]

Jeff Bezos unveils sweeping plan to tackle climate change



Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos unveils a sweeping new plan to tackle climate change.
Bezos says Amazon is committed to meet the goals of the Paris climate agreement 10 years early.
As part of the plan, Amazon has agreed to purchase 100,000 electric delivery vans from vehicle manufacturer Rivian.
Bezos expects 80% of Amazon’s energy use to come from renewable sources by 2024, before transitioning to zero emissions by 2030.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/19/jeff-bezos-speaks-about-amazon-sustainability-in-washington-dc.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/19/jeff-bezos-speaks-about-amazon-sustainability-in-washington-dc.html)

[DarrinS]

If bitches stop popping put 4 or 5 babies and we all learn to grow our own fruits and vegetables in our backyards we can go a long way in conserving our natural resources.

You as dumb as this twat. :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27C7mtsWJwU

[TheGreatYacht]

You as dumb as this twat. :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27C7mtsWJwU

You're the retard that thinks we have unlimited resources :lol

You're okay with letting minorities outbreed white incels like yourself...be my guest :lol

[DarrinS]

You're okay with letting minorities outbreed white incels like yourself...be my guest :lol


Were you in Charlottesville? You have some strange views on minorities and Jews.

Hard to be an incel with a wife and two kids.

And when did climate alarmist start focusing so heavily on methane? Yes, cows fart, but so do humans. What do cows eat? Hint: they are not carnivorous

[TSA]

Tough luck. They better change their ways soon, try to get a home and stop having babies that they can't afford. Reform our welfare and tax system to not reward people for having babies.

Rich people with no kids live in the city. How do they grow their own food with no yard?

[TheGreatYacht]

Were you in Charlottesville? You have some strange views on minorities and Jews.

Hard to be an incel with a wife and two kids.

And when did climate alarmist start focusing so heavily on methane? Yes, cows fart, but so do humans. What do cows eat? Hint: they are not carnivorous

When did I say that I 100% believe in climate change? In fact, I'm skeptical. Read my above comments. I'm fully aware of Agenda 30 and carbon tax...5G.

So the cows farts, carbon and methane crap won't work on me :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Rich people with no kids live in the city. How do they grow their own food with no yard?

They're rich. They can afford a home.

[spurraider21]

When did I say that I 100% believe in climate change? In fact, I'm skeptical
let me guess

jews made it up

[TheGreatYacht]

let me guess

jews made it up

I triggered a leftist cuz I'm open to the possibility of climate change being a hoax :lol

[spurraider21]

I triggered a leftist cuz I'm open to the possibility of climate change being a hoax :lol
hoax perpetrated by who?

[DarrinS]

I triggered a leftist cuz I'm open to the possibility of climate change being a hoax :lol

I don't think it's a hoax. I just don't think it's a "crisis".

[RD2191]

I triggered a leftist cuz I'm open to the possibility of climate change being a hoax :lol

Even if it were a hoax (which it isn't) what's the problem with taking the proper precautions now?

[TSA]

They're rich. They can afford a home.

Where do all the rich people move to and where are all the millions of new homes with yards built?

Do they poor people in the city just die off?

What happens to the empty cities?

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't think it's a hoax. I just don't think it's a "crisis".

Wasn't referring to you. But I am SHOCKED that you're not a climate change denier like most right-wingers.


Even if it were a hoax (which it isn't) what's the problem with taking the proper precautions now?

hoax perpetrated by who?

It's up to you to find out. Check out the three part video report I posted on this other thread .

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279583

[spurraider21]

It's up to you to find out. Check out the three part video report I posted on this other thread.
:lmao terrified of explaining yourself

welcome to derp territory

[TheGreatYacht]

Where do all the rich people move to and where are all the millions of new homes with yards built?

Do they poor people in the city just die off?

What happens to the empty cities?

So you're saying there is not enough homes? Share. We don't need a home per person.

Why are you concerned about poor people? You're on the right. You're okay with getting rid of housing, SNAP, WIC, Social Security Medicare and Medicaid aren't you? That is a Republican DREAM. That would be a good way to kill poor people.

Empty cities? We can still keep some people on cities and apartments. We can still keep the farms and agriculture we have now and keep grocery stores open to sell food to those who couldn't get homes.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao terrified of explaining yourself

welcome to derp territory

I don't wanna spoil the movie for you.

[spurraider21]

And when did climate alarmist start focusing so heavily on methane?
methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. and when looking at realistic ways to scale back greenhouse gases, its probably a lot easier to ween us off our beef dependance than car dependence, for example. its an achievable goal that will make a difference, tbh, which is why it makes sense to focus there


Yes, cows fart, but so do humans.
cows and humans have very different diets and digestive systems. humans dont produce methane the way cows do. did you really think the composition of how farts/belches are the same as humans? :lol


What do cows eat? Hint: they are not carnivorous
what does this have to do with anything?

[SnakeBoy]

methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. and when looking at realistic ways to scale back greenhouse gases, its probably a lot easier to ween us off our beef dependance than car dependence, for example. its an achievable goal that will make a difference, tbh, which is why it makes sense to focus there


cows and humans have very different diets and digestive systems. humans dont produce methane the way cows do. did you really think the composition of how farts/belches are the same as humans? :lol


Do we need to kill off all the farting herbivores or just the cows?

[DarrinS]

cows and humans have very different diets and digestive systems. humans dont produce methane the way cows do.

what does this have to do with anything?


If we were all vegan, humans would produce much more methane. :lol

[DarrinS]

And all that methane from permafrost melt -- it's from vegetation that predates the industrial revolution. It's like the earth's climate changed or something. No vehicles required.

[spurraider21]

Do we need to kill off all the farting herbivores or just the cows?
no need to kill any off. there's pretty good evidence that naturally occurruing methane production is virtually completely offset by natural methane sinks. at this point i'm content to start with livestock farming.


If we were all vegan, humans would produce much more methane. :lol
any increase would be negligible compared to the amount we'd decrease from livestock farming. we're simply different creatures with different digestive systems. vegans aren't going to live off grass. its the microbes that help cows digest grass which are creating the methane.


And all that methane from permafrost melt -- it's from vegetation that predates the industrial revolution. It's like the earth's climate changed or something. No vehicles required.
nobody ever said that methane/CO2 can only come from artificial sources. this is a nonstop strawman i hear from this crowd. "HURR DURR THERE WERE NO SUV'S MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO"

there is an existing cycle where methane is created by some sources and absorbed by others (see the very top of my response here, to snakeboy). consider pouring water from a faucet into a pasta strainer. sure you can keep filling water, but the strainer also keeps releasing. now if instead of your sink faucet, you start dumping 5 gallon buckets of water into the pasta strainer, it will overflow, because you are grossly changing one side of the equation.

the methane being exposed from permafrost is a huge deal. as stated before, methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. it hasn't been the primary culprit because methane emission totals pale in comparison to CO2 emissions. but if we start getting big increases in methane production from soil exposed beneath permafrost, that's a big deal (regardless of how that methane was originally produced). we are still the ones causing the permafrost to give way to the methane emissions, further tilting the balance (aka positive feedback loop)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/allidoisowen/status/1174821703425449984?s=19

[Winehole23]

And all that methane from permafrost melt -- it's from vegetation that predates the industrial revolution. It's like the earth's climate changed or something. No vehicles required.What made the permafrost melt?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1175034553787924483?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

no need to kill any off. there's pretty good evidence that naturally occurruing methane production is virtually completely offset by natural methane sinks. at this point i'm content to start with livestock farming.


Well in that case what if we just replace cows with a non domesticated animal like bison. Their farts would be natural so nature would gobble them up.

[DarrinS]

Confess.....sinners


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/specials/climate-confessions-share-solutions-climate-change-n1054791


Not like a religion or anything. :lol

[Pavlov]

Confess.....sinners


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/specials/climate-confessions-share-solutions-climate-change-n1054791


Not like a religion or anything. :lolYou think there are only religious confessions?

:lol who forwarded that link to you?

[DarrinS]

:lol who forwarded that link to you?

your mom

[spurraider21]

Well in that case what if we just replace cows with a non domesticated animal like bison. Their farts would be natural so nature would gobble them up.
where did i say anything about "domesticated"

bison would still be considered livestock. farming bison instead of cows wouldn't be a solution.

if you actually want to talk about it, how about posting something other than quips


Do we need to kill off all the farting herbivores or just the cows?

[pgardn]

The timeline.

Climate is not changing———> climate can change and has done so *enter iceages*—————> Climate is changing————> climate is changing rapidly but has done so in the past *enter volcanoes* —————> climate is changing but our role is minimal——————-> climate is changing rapidly and we do contribute *enter nothing we can do now*

methane production becomes cow farting therefore draining off methane into the air at wells is just fine.

Completely ignore how we now understand and have disrupted acid rain and Ozone depletion thereby changing the climate (albeit on a smaller scale). Putting scrubbers in coal burning plants and limiting CFCs were horrible drags on the economy.

Oh.
The blue team has its record on ignoring issues as well as overstating them. Some press does have a penchant for taking worse case models and intensifying them. Accomplished by both teams.

[pgardn]

...

[boutons_deux]

The planet runs on carbon energy and oil-derived products.

Even if carbon were zeroed from today,

the anthropocene's AGW climate catastrophe would continue

15,000 Scientists: Climate Change Is Already Past The Point Of No Return

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/11/14/climate-change-already-past-point-no-return-warns-union-concerned-scientists/

Greta and the youth marchers? enjoy your 3-day weekend.

[Pavlov]

your momShe's dead. Got any other elementary school lines?

[Pavlov]

if you actually want to talk about it, how about posting something other than quipsThe quips show how afraid they are to actually talk about it.

[RandomGuy]

And all that methane from permafrost melt -- it's from vegetation that predates the industrial revolution. It's like the earth's climate changed or something. No vehicles required.

This is one of those " light switch" processes I have been trying to explain to you for a decade. Of course it has nothing to do with vehicles, but if the warming we have caused warms that the millions of squarebmile of permafrost you get a sudden massive warming feedback loop.
30 degrees... No problem.
33 degrees... Problem.

This is the kind of thing I meant when I said better to not change things substantially without knowing the consequences.

It like watching some one poking a sleeping bear with a sharp stick and telling them the bear might wake up and eat them. "This bear has been asleep for as long as I have seen it. "
"This bear was awake in the past and didn't hurt me."
"Quit being an alarmist'

Smh

[SnakeBoy]

where did i say anything about "domesticated"

bison would still be considered livestock. farming bison instead of cows wouldn't be a solution.

if you actually want to talk about it, how about posting something other than quips



Do we have to kill the existing bison herds then?

A lot of effort has been put into restoring native grasslands and to restoring the bison herds as well. Do we have to stop that or will you allow us to continue forward?

[Pavlov]

Oh, a quip.

[pgardn]

The planet runs on carbon energy and oil-derived products.

Even if carbon were zeroed from today,

the anthropocene's AGW climate catastrophe would continue

15,000 Scientists: Climate Change Is Already Past The Point Of No Return

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/11/14/climate-change-already-past-point-no-return-warns-union-concerned-scientists/

Greta and the youth marchers? enjoy your 3-day weekend.

And here is Mr. fckd and unfckble with 25 years ago...

Give me all your money, the world is at an end.

We most likely will survive this. Its gonna cost a lot of money as ariable land changes place (farming becomes erratic) and seashores get redefined.
Starvation and water shortages more likely as existing infrastructure for moving food and water is not gonna handle it.
We put the deficit off to grow out of it, same mentality.

[spurraider21]

Do we have to kill the existing bison herds then?

A lot of effort has been put into restoring native grasslands and to restoring the bison herds as well. Do we have to stop that or will you allow us to continue forward?

asked and answered :tu


no need to kill any off. there's pretty good evidence that naturally occurruing methane production is virtually completely offset by natural methane sinks. at this point i'm content to start with livestock farming.

[Pavlov]

Trying to distract from 90,000,000 head of cattle with 31,000 bison.

[SnakeBoy]

asked and answered :tu

So it's okay to restore bison populations to the 10's of millions and nature will gobble up their farts as long as we don't farm them?

[spurraider21]

So it's okay to restore bison populations to the 10's of millions and nature will gobble up their farts as long as we don't farm them?
is that what's going to happen?

[Chris]

cVdgwGz8wzQ

[SnakeBoy]

Trying to distract from 90,000,000 head of cattle with 31,000 bison.

Bison herd is headed toward 500,000

[spurraider21]

cVdgwGz8wzQ
wasn't shut down. they removed the people causing distractions and let everybody back in

:lol

[SnakeBoy]

is that what's going to happen?

That's the goal. Lot's of obstacles, namely cattle ranchers. Should become easier when cows are illegal.

[Pavlov]

Bison herd is headed toward 500,000There are approximately 31,000 total bison in 68 conservation herds (herds managed in the public interest by governments and environmental organizations) in North America.


https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/2815/123789863#population

Feel free to post your 500,000 number that you want to use to distract from 90,000,000.

[SnakeBoy]

There are approximately 31,000 total bison in 68 conservation herds (herds managed in the public interest by governments and environmental organizations) in North America.


https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/2815/123789863#population

Feel free to post your 500,000 number that you want to use to distract from 90,000,000.

Read the bolded part more carefully

[spurraider21]

That's the goal. Lot's of obstacles, namely cattle ranchers. Should become easier when cows are illegal.
the goal is to replace 90 million cattle with 10s of millions of bison?

[Pavlov]

Read the bolded part more carefullyPost your 500,000 citation you want to use to distract from 90,000,000.

[Pavlov]

Or is this the 360,000 that are already being raised for meat?

Is that what you want to use to distract from 90,000,000?

Or is there a quip you're holding back?

[SnakeBoy]

Post your 500,000 citation you want to use to distract from 90,000,000.

Stop trying to distract from how nature can distinguish a natural fart from a man caused fart.

[SnakeBoy]

the goal is to replace 90 million cattle with 10s of millions of bison?

The goal is to restore the natural bison herd

[Pavlov]

Stop trying to distract from how nature can distinguish a natural fart from a man caused fart.That's the quip?

Jesus. Darrin-level.

[Pavlov]

The goal is to restore the natural bison herdAnd still no link.

What are you accomplishing just making things up?

[RD2191]

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1175034553787924483?s=19

"Watson's career emerged through his work for conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones."


K.

[spurraider21]

Stop trying to distract from how nature can distinguish a natural fart from a man caused fart.
that was never the claim.

we have 90 million cattle due to farming. that's a purely artificial increase in the number of cows.

perhaps i should have assumed that you'd try to just make snarky quips and said "naturally occurring levels of cattle/bison population" or "levels of bison/cattle population independent of livestock farming"

[spurraider21]

"Watson's career emerged through his work for conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones."


K.
i agree, but tbh you also like banana man and peanut butter man

[RandomGuy]

Bison herd is headed toward 500,000

there are an estimated 1 billion cows on the planet.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/how-many-cows-are-there-in-the-world.html

Pavlov was off by a factor of 11.

FWTW. One billion cows each with four stomachs, and consuming trillions of pounds of feed per year, and in the end less than 1% of all the calories put into these cows will be used to produce food for humans.

[RandomGuy]

And all that methane from permafrost melt -- it's from vegetation that predates the industrial revolution. It's like the earth's climate changed or something. No vehicles required.


What made the permafrost melt?


[ignores question, answers other poster]

What made the permafrost melt?

[RandomGuy]

Do we need to kill off all the farting herbivores or just the cows?

https://i0.wp.com/think-liberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MFaau1O.png?resize=768%2C530&ssl=1

Where on the pyramid would you place your response here?

[RandomGuy]

that was never the claim.

we have 90 million cattle due to farming. that's a purely artificial increase in the number of cows.

perhaps i should have assumed that you'd try to just make snarky quips and said "naturally occurring levels of cattle/bison population" or "levels of bison/cattle population independent of livestock farming"

I would simply point to the title of the thread at this point. You should assume that pseudoscientific arguments will be the norm.

The beginning of this thread in 2010- 2015 or so were desperate attempts by Darrins/WC to prove "no warming" in various flawed ways. More data keeps piling up showing warming.

Then it became a conspiracy theory. "They are doing it for the money/power", with "they" being climate scientists, as if a trillion dollar fossil fuel industry wouldn't fight tooth and nail to show its product wasn't harmful, but greedy scientists were fooling everybody.

Now... it isn't even that. It is just mockery. Thornberg, farting cows, Gore, anything to distract.

The only good thing is that as we move into more and more and more billion dollar + weather events, such as never before seen rain events on the Texas coast where the rain is measured in FEET, the kinds of denial will get harder to do, and plainer to see who is paying for it.

Kids aren't stupid, and if you want to tie your political party to a virulently anti-science movement, that will have a cost.

[SnakeBoy]

that was never the claim.

we have 90 million cattle due to farming. that's a purely artificial increase in the number of cows.

perhaps i should have assumed that you'd try to just make snarky quips and said "naturally occurring levels of cattle/bison population" or "levels of bison/cattle population independent of livestock farming"

We don't have naturally occurring populations of really any ruminants. This is what I'm asking you. After we kill all the cows do we let these populations return to natural levels? There's going to be a lot of open grasslands so what do we do?

I'll admit that I'm pleased to see "Stop cow farts and become vegans" turning into a legit battle cry from your side but you shouldn't be so illusive when people ask "then what?".

[koriwhat]

cVdgwGz8wzQ

everyone in this video, both sides and the police, are huge pussies.

[RandomGuy]

We don't have naturally occurring populations of really any ruminants. This is what I'm asking you. After we kill all the cows do we let these populations return to natural levels? There's going to be a lot of open grasslands so what do we do?

I'll admit that I'm pleased to see "Stop cow farts and become vegans" turning into a legit battle cry from your side but you shouldn't be so illusive when people ask "then what?".

Europe bucks global deforestation trend

Around the world, forests are shrinking due to deforestation, urban development and climate change, but in Europe that trend has been reversed.

Large areas of the continent have seen a forest boom that means today more than two-fifths of Europe is tree-covered. Between 1990 and 2015, the area covered by forests and woodlands increased by 90,000 square kilometres - an area roughly the size of Portugal.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/07/forest-europe-environment/

Simply let the forests grow back over the grasslands used for grazing and cattle raising. (hint: Where do trees get their mass from?)

Cows are one part of the equation. We have to do a lot of things at once, not the least of which is trimming CO2 from industrial processes, as well as transportation.

All of which can be done with large scale renewables, such as eliminating the bessemer process in steel production for an anodic/diodic one, similar to how aluminum is processed.

[RD2191]

i agree, but tbh you also like banana man and peanut butter man

Can't argue with science :wakeup

[Chris]

"Watson's career emerged through his work for conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones."


K.

see: ad hominem on RandomGay's chart

[Chris]

everyone in this video, both sides and the police, are huge pussies.

Idiocracy. Just look at 21's posts.

[koriwhat]

Idiocracy. Just look at 21's posts.

Indeed buddy :tu

[spurraider21]

We don't have naturally occurring populations of really any ruminants. This is what I'm asking you. After we kill all the cows do we let these populations return to natural levels? There's going to be a lot of open grasslands so what do we do?
i'm willing to draw the line at "farmed for our use."

i dont know exactly how many cows there would be independent of farming efforts. but there sure as fuck wouldn't be 90 million. if you're so peeved over the terms "artificial" and "natural" in this context, then fine, we can change the words. but you're not stupid enough to not understand what the point is


I'll admit that I'm pleased to see "Stop cow farts and become vegans" turning into a legit battle cry from your side but you shouldn't be so illusive when people ask "then what?".
i dont think we should become vegan. i love beef. burgers are tasty. to me, the most delicious meal is a good ribeye steak. but i'm good with cutting the supply substantially and having a lot less of it. makes sense from both health and environmental perspectives

[koriwhat]

i dont think we should become vegan. i love beef. burgers are tasty. to me, the most delicious meal is a good ribeye steak. but i'm good with cutting the supply substantially and having a lot less of it. makes sense from both health and environmental perspectives

you want people to be more healthy? cutting meat isn't the angle i'd take but whatever. i'd get rid of all the sugar in our diets like soda, candy, etc... i'd lay claim that all that shit is what's making our obesity ordeal get bigger, no pun intended.

a friend of my mothers used to drink a 3 liter or more a day of diet coke-cola and he was on the verge of diabetes which led him to cut back drastically on the soda. i think he went from 3 liters or more a day to about 1 can/bottle. the dude dropped weight like crazy and slimmed down so much i wouldn't had recognized him on the street had i not seen his progression. well, he didn't last long without high levels of sugar and went back to his old ways ballooning back into obesity. (sugar wasn't his only problem so don't assume i am claiming he got big strictly from sugar)

sugar is one of the worst things we intake tbh.

[spurraider21]

you want people to be more healthy? cutting meat isn't the angle i'd take but whatever. i'd get rid of all the sugar in our diets like soda, candy, etc... i'd lay claim that all that shit is what's making our obesity ordeal get bigger, no pun intended.

a friend of my mothers used to drink a 3 liter or more a day of diet coke-cola and he was on the verge of diabetes which led him to cut back drastically on the soda. i think he went from 3 liters or more a day to about 1 can/bottle. the dude dropped weight like crazy and slimmed down so much i wouldn't had recognized him on the street had i not seen his progression. well, he didn't last long without high levels of sugar and went back to his old ways ballooning back into obesity. (sugar wasn't his only problem so don't assume i am claiming he got big strictly from sugar)

sugar is one of the worst things we intake tbh.
yeah, i completely cut soda out of my regular diet. used to have it daily, or damn well near it. now i only have it if i'm out of the house getting food somewhere, or at the movies, stuff like that. so maybe once every couple of weeks.

i dont think the beef angle should be the primary front on the health issue, but its a pretty good way to hit 2 birds imo

[koriwhat]

yeah, i completely cut soda out of my regular diet. used to have it daily, or damn well near it. now i only have it if i'm out of the house getting food somewhere, or at the movies, stuff like that. so maybe once every couple of weeks.

i dont think the beef angle should be the primary front on the health issue, but its a pretty good way to hit 2 birds imo

i'm not saying we shouldn't incorporate more greens into our diets and less meat(beef specifically) but i suppose i am more of an avid advocate against soda and sugar in general(even though i like sugar :cry) because it's a silent killer for us all.

good on you for cutting back on the sodas. :tu

i had to cut back when i was a teenager and quit sodas altogether, except sprite/7up, because i used to love dr. pepper too much that it led to my back(kidney's) hurting after just a few sips on dp. it took a while before i realized it was the soda hurting me but once i did i never looked back. i think i quit soda altogether at age 17 or 18. i quit mc donalds at 15 and i mainly eat fish and chicken except for the rare case where i eat a steak which is like once or twice a yr. i'm not necessarily the healthiest of people however i am slowly getting back into working out too.

good convo SR. :tu

[RandomGuy]

see: ad hominem on RandomGay's chart

Score one for tweety bird.

It is entirely rational though, to apply more or less skepticism to claims based on who is making the claim. Alex Jones contributors deserve a great deal of skepticism, if not outright ignoring, based on their track record.

Kind of like most of the twidiots you pimp for

[RandomGuy]

While the denier crowd is attempting to derail the science with cheap shots about cow farts and silly websites, we get to witness the results of adding terajoules of heat energy to the oceans.

https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/tropicalstorm11.jpg?quality=70&strip=all

[RandomGuy]

Young People Lead Millions To Protest Global Inaction On Climate Change

Millions of young people raised their voices at protests around the world Friday in a massive display meant to demand urgent action on climate change. Scores of students missed school to take part, some joined by teachers and parents.

Some of the first rallies began in Australia, and then spread from Pacific islands to India and Turkey and across Europe, as students kicked off what organizers were calling a Global Climate Strike.

In the U.S., where more than 800 marches were planned, thousands of young people are absent from classrooms so they can carry signs, march and shout slogans calling for a new approach to energy and emissions.

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2019/09/20/greta-climate-march-new-york-ec3ce5862ce5f29e0d7a066d3192d210840f0aad-s1100-c85.jpg

[spurraider21]

i'm not saying we shouldn't incorporate more greens into our diets and less meat(beef specifically) but i suppose i am more of an avid advocate against soda and sugar in general(even though i like sugar :cry) because it's a silent killer for us all.

good on you for cutting back on the sodas. :tu

i had to cut back when i was a teenager and quit sodas altogether, except sprite/7up, because i used to love dr. pepper too much that it led to my back(kidney's) hurting after just a few sips on dp. it took a while before i realized it was the soda hurting me but once i did i never looked back. i think i quit soda altogether at age 17 or 18. i quit mc donalds at 15 and i mainly eat fish and chicken except for the rare case where i eat a steak which is like once or twice a yr. i'm not necessarily the healthiest of people however i am slowly getting back into working out too.

good convo SR. :tu
:tu good on you

i never felt the health effects and luckily it never got to that point with me, but my then GF sorta just kept hinting that i should scale it back just out of good sense. better to cut the habit before it becomes a serious problem. so i started making a conscious effort to stop. i was all about Dr Pepper, even the crazy sweet cherry dr pepper.

i haven't "quit" fast food, per se, but lifetsyle doesnt really call for it anymore. sure, in late high school when i had a car, or during college years, i would have fast food pretty regularly. but imo that was more a function of being a student than anything. since finishing school, the only times i get fast food are when driving long distances/traveling. exception is we'd go for in n out every few weeks or so as a treat (none here on the east coast), and every now and again we'll grab chipotle if we dont have the energy to prepare food when we're run out.

i also only have steak once or twice a year. easily my favorite meals of the year :lol

[boutons_deux]

Marching and protesting ain't gonna do shit

the planet is cooked and fucked, and there's no way to stop it.

even if the GHG emissions were stopped today, the perfect, unreachable solution, the planet is and will be fucked.

GHGases are already in the atmosphere, having been emitted for 150 years of the carbon economy, and Bs of tons still being emitted.

[koriwhat]

:tu good on you

i never felt the health effects and luckily it never got to that point with me, but my then GF sorta just kept hinting that i should scale it back just out of good sense. better to cut the habit before it becomes a serious problem. so i started making a conscious effort to stop. i was all about Dr Pepper, even the crazy sweet cherry dr pepper.

i haven't "quit" fast food, per se, but lifetsyle doesnt really call for it anymore. sure, in late high school when i had a car, or during college years, i would have fast food pretty regularly. but imo that was more a function of being a student than anything. since finishing school, the only times i get fast food are when driving long distances/traveling. exception is we'd go for in n out every few weeks or so as a treat (none here on the east coast), and every now and again we'll grab chipotle if we dont have the energy to prepare food when we're run out.

i also only have steak once or twice a year. easily my favorite meals of the year :lol

steak once or twice a year really makes you appreciate it more imo. :tu

these days i can't risk most places so i don't eat fast food that often outside of las palapas because i can eat anything made with corn but not flour. my daily routine is usually LP for lunch and then at night a restaurant for fish or chicken. i wish i cooked but i am rarely at my home and am always on the run; plus i waste groceries when i do buy them so i eat out basically every day.

mmm cherry dr pepper! ugh i miss dp cherry or not. i don't even remember what it tastes like these days however i do remember how much i used to love drinking it.

[DarrinS]

While the denier crowd is attempting to derail the science with cheap shots about cow farts and silly websites, we get to witness the results of adding terajoules of heat energy to the oceans.

https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/tropicalstorm11.jpg?quality=70&strip=all


^This is called "weather"

[spurraider21]

^This is called "weather"
which is influenced by the climate.

its not like ice ages have been a coincidence where it just happens to be really cold for many consecutive days

[DarrinS]

which is influenced by the climate.

its not like ice ages have been a coincidence where it just happens to be really cold for many consecutive days


Good point. All ice ages (which are major climate changes) were a result of natural climate variability.

[spurraider21]

Good point. All ice ages (which are major climate changes) were a result of natural climate variability.
yes. and because the climate has previously changed due to non-artificial factors, that means artificial factors can never ever play a role ever

also, back in the day, people would die of natural causes all the time, so i refuse to believe a car crash has ever been the cause of somebody's death. they must have suddenly died of natural causes simultaneously with impact

seriously, how many times can you repeat this same line? what's next, you gonna tell us all about how there were no SUV's back then?

[spurraider21]

i also refuse to believe that the panama canal was created artificially, as other straits around the world were natural results

[Pavlov]

:lol Darrin dragged hard. Will be difficult to whip with a sore ass.

[TheGreatYacht]

Trump Revokes California's Ability To Make Pollution Rules

https://youtu.be/MULaZdj2uGs

[boutons_deux]

Trump Revokes California's Ability To Make Pollution Rules

... that's far from done, is going to court for years.

CA rules, OK! has served America well for 50 years, saved 100Ks lives from disease and death from automobile pollution.

Trash fucking up America, killing people, to satisfy his vengeance against state where Hillary beat his stinky ass 61% to 31%.

[RandomGuy]

Good point. All ice ages (which are major climate changes) were a result of natural climate variability.

You seriously still don't know why this is a dumb shit thing to say? Wow.

[boutons_deux]

Why 10,000 farmers have gotten behind the Green New Deal

A coalition that unites farmers and ranchers behind the Green New Deal hopes to set a new tone for how the agriculture sector relates to policy solutions to address the climate crisis, and ensure farmers have a voice in the debate.

Farmers and Ranchers for the Green New Deal (GND) officially launched on Wednesday with a press conference at the Capitol and a letter to Congress (https://us.netdonor.net/page/9832/petition/1) urging members to support the GND resolution.

10,000 farmers and ranchers who want to be part of the conversation as Congress considers how and whether to move forward with the GND.

the essential role of farmers in addressing the climate crisis.

https://grist.org/article/why-10000-farmers-have-gotten-behind-the-green-new-deal/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=beacon (https://grist.org/article/why-10000-farmers-have-gotten-behind-the-green-new-deal/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=beacon)

BigOil and Repugs are laughing their asses off. Ain't nobody gonna stop AGW of the anthropocene.

[Chris]

Qi6USArcsxY

Quite the actor. I wonder who is writing her script?

[SnakeBoy]

Qi6USArcsxY

Quite the actor. I wonder who is writing her script?

Legit crazy imo

[MannyIsGod]

Legit crazy imo

I know you're generally a piece of shit but calling a 16 year old who doesn't want to live in a fucked up world because your generation was a bunch of selfish assholes crazy is low even for you.

[RandomGuy]

Legit crazy imo

https://media.giphy.com/media/82DaAxknIvBovGGPj5/giphy.gif

It's sad to see grown men picking on little girls.

Another bottom of the pyramid post. Per par.

https://i0.wp.com/think-liberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MFaau1O.png?resize=768%2C530&ssl=1

[SnakeBoy]

How Dare You! You can't criticize a child. That's why we trot out children as political props.

Spare me the faux outrage Manny. Chick seems legit crazy to me but maybe you're right and she is acting.

I am curious what real climate scientists like you think when when you see deranged children screaming that they're all about to die from global warming. Are you thinking yeah that's what the science says or are you thinking man this has really gone off track?

[RandomGuy]

Spare me the faux outrage Manny. Chick seems legit crazy to me but maybe you're right and she is acting.

I am curious what real climate scientists like you think when when you see deranged children screaming that they're all about to die from global warming. Are you thinking yeah that's what the science says or are you thinking man this has really gone off track?

Climate change will cause more droughts and famines in places with food insecurity.

It will kill people.

Are you saying that people don't die in famines?

[TheGreatYacht]

https://youtu.be/yv_z5VpF3AM

[Phenomanul]

Why does she have several entries in IMDB.com?




Oh... so she is an actress... smdh...

[Chris]

She has Asperger’s you fucking prick.

WNBA white knight to the rescue!

She has an imdb page you mongoloid. :lol

[Chris]

Barely beat me to it ^ :lol

[spurraider21]

You’re still the one attacking a kid with Asperger’s. Fake Christian Chris :lmao
to be fair, we make fun of derp

[Phenomanul]

She is a puppet... but yeah wrap up the message in the most vulnerable looking package and leftists will all collectively rally behind her. Flip the narrative and they aren’t so protective. Imagine if a 10 year old abortion survivor made the same sort of plea at the Planned Parenthood headquarters... yeah, she would likely be ostracized and made into a pariah...

The point being that the deliverer of the massage is not the focal point here: but the message itself. Leftist ideologues will band together behind any narrative they already support. Conservatives will band behind any message they support as well. It’s human nature.

[DarrinS]

I feel sorry for that girl, tbh. She drank the doomsday cult koolaid.

[Phenomanul]

double post

[Phenomanul]

:cry but but but muh imdb page :cry

^^^ what is wrong with you? Seriously? This isn’t grade school. I stated fact. You interpreted my motive in a way to justify the legitimacy of your ridiculous rebuttal - even though it was fabricated straw man. I never said she was a “crisis actor”. Did I? No.

I simply stated that IMDB lists her as an actress... given her excessive overly emotional “speech” I would tend to agree that she has the blood of thespians flowing through her veins... oh wait, who are her parents? Svante Thunberg and Malena Ernman both Swedish actors, also listed on IMDB.

[Phenomanul]

You know exactly what you implied by bringing up her “several entries” on IMDB without clarifying the context of those entries. Justify it all you want, you disingenuous faggot.

Playground insults? Lol you are in grade school. Just calling out your straw man as I see it. Greta’s speech delivery was excessive... That was my point. I don’t care if she’s a teen, that doesn’t make her message any more true.

[benefactor]

^^^ what is wrong with you? Seriously? This isn’t grade school. I stated fact. You interpreted my motive in a way to justify the legitimacy of your ridiculous rebuttal - even though it was fabricated straw man. I never said she was a “crisis actor”. Did I? No.

I simply stated that IMDB lists her as an actress... given her excessive overly emotional “speech” I would tend to agree that she has the blood of thespians flowing through her veins... oh wait, who are her parents? Svante Thunberg and Malena Ernman both Swedish actors, also listed on IMDB.
Trump has an IMDB as well and is also listed as an actor. He's so seasoned it won him the presidency

[Phenomanul]

Trump has an IMDB as well and is also listed as an actor. He's so seasoned it won him the presidency

Context my brother, context. No one here is trying to convince anyone that Trump’s age, or the passion with which he delivers his speeches is the basis for the truth of the message (or lack thereof).

This is another case of the left picking up another poster child (literally) to drum up their narratives while trying to elicit our empathetic emotions. The Parkland High School kid also comes to mind. Meanwhile that Catholic school kid that grinned at a right-to-life march - oh yeah, he’s a “racist, patriarchal bigot”.

It won’t surprise me to see Greta land some invites to prime time talk shows, or late night shows over the next few weeks. Maybe a lucrative book deal. That’s how the globalist elites pay their spokespeople from the shadows - they simply use their media outlets/Hollywood to do it in the open. Or does no one question how someone like AOC goes from being a bartender one day to amassing personal wealth over 15 million dollars in a little less than two years? So the hypocrisy of her rallying cry against the “wealthy” while she herself partakes of the joys of her own newfound wealth - yeah, that message should fall on deaf ears. But no, history shows us that Marxist leaders were always well off financially.

[Phenomanul]

:lmao oh, now you call for context :lmao :lmao :lmao

Post as many long winded diatribes of bullshit as you like, you’re not fooling anybody, least of all yourself. Just own up to the fact that you’re a disingenuous piece of shit and do better next time.

Three rebuttals by you and none have actually addressed any of my arguments. But keep deluding yourself that Greta is not a paid actress. And you’re the shill in this story.

[Chris]

mono getting pushed around with ease :lol

[Chris]

https://i0.wp.com/think-liberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MFaau1O.png?resize=768%2C530&ssl=1

gutter tier :lol

[Phenomanul]

Both her parents are Swedish actors. They’ve taught her well. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

[AaronY]

https://i0.wp.com/think-liberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MFaau1O.png?resize=768%2C530&ssl=1

gutter tier :lol
^^^Trump fan doesn't like ad hominems or name calling

[Chris]

At least Chris just owns the fact that he’s a fake Christian who will use any amount of lies and deception to assist his right wing cause. He doesn’t hide it or try and justify it, he just owns the fact that he’s a shitty person. I may not agree with that, but I can respect it.

^massive salt mine detected :lol

[Phenomanul]

Where have I lied? I DISAGREE with you! That isn’t a lie. I believe Greta is an actress... how is that a lie? It was evident to anyone that witnessed her speech. C’mon you’re going to buy the “how dare you?” diatribe as being legitimately written by her...? You can almost see the exact moment when Greta turns on the switch to her act, it’s disgusting. But because you support her message somehow her pre-scripted delivery and the exaggerated manner in which she is trying to sell that message is off-limits as a point for dissent? GTFOH with that weak excuse for an argument.

[AaronY]

^massive salt mine detected :lol


Low-Energy Jeb.
Little Marco.
Lyin’ Ted.
Sleepy Joe
Crooked Hillary
Pocahontas

Gutter tier^^

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/fYGRZPL/41684.jpg

[Isitjustme?]

https://i0.wp.com/think-liberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/MFaau1O.png?resize=768%2C530&ssl=1

gutter tier :lol


^^^Trump fan doesn't like ad hominems or name calling



Low-Energy Jeb.
Little Marco.
Lyin’ Ted.
Sleepy Joe
Crooked Hillary
Pocahontas

Gutter tier^^

:lol Good ol Simple Chris got caught with his hand in the cookie jar

[pgardn]

Science does not become irrelevant because a child throws a tantrum.

Red team may want it that way, tough nuts ideologues.
You are much like the child.

[Capt Bringdown]

The Manufacturing of Greta Thunberg - For Consent: The Political Economy of the Non-Profit Industrial Complex - - > (http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/01/17/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-political-economy-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/)

In ACT I, I disclose that Greta Thunberg, the current child prodigy and face of the youth movement to combat climate change, serves as special youth advisor and trustee to the burgeoning mainstream tech start-up, We Don’t Have Time. I then explore the ambitions behind the tech company We Don’t Have Time.

In ACT II, I illustrate how today’s youth are the sacrificial lambs for the ruling elite. Also in this act I introduce the board members of and advisors to We Don’t Have Time. I explore the leadership in the nascent We Don’t Have Time and the partnerships between the well-established corporate environmental entities: Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, 350.org, Avaaz, Global Utmaning (Global Challenge), the World Bank, and the World Economic Forum (WEF).

In ACT III, I deconstruct how Al Gore and the planet’s most powerful capitalists are behind today’s manufactured youth movements and why. I explore the We Don’t Have Time/Thunberg connections to Our Revolution, the Sanders Institute, This Is Zero Hour, the Sunrise Movement and the Green New Deal. I also touch upon Thunberg’s famous family. In particular, Thunberg’s celebrity mother, Malena Ernman (WWF Environmental Hero of the Year 2017) and her August 2018 book launch. I then explore the generous media attention afforded to Thunberg in both May and April of 2018 by SvD, one of Sweden’s largest newspapers.

[Capt Bringdown]

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[boutons_deux]

rightwing accused the left of picking on, persecuting this privileged prick of a MAGAtt Catholic rotten with condescension

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2019/02/20/sandmann-covington-lincoln-memorial_wide-ff6c6b54ed29a40ca3e3f2a6556eaa034213e501-s800-c85.jpg

but they, up to their earlobes in hilarious, ridiculous hypocrisy, immediately and always trash young people like Greta who actually has a legitimate point

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and yet, nothing effective is being done

‘I would like people to panic’ –

Top scientist unveils equation showing world in climate emergency

the world is ‘deep in a climate emergency’

To calculate risk,

he used the insurance industry’s approach of multiplying the amount of damage done by the probability of the event.

For urgency,

he followed the model used by air traffic controllers, which divides the time needed to react by time left for intervention.

‘If we go into a runaway climate effect,

the damage may be between €100 trillion and the loss of civilisation,’ he said.

‘The probability, I would say, is about 10% that this is going to happen.

And when it comes to the urgency of decarbonising society and keeping the forests alive,

we need at least 20 years.

We have only 30 years left to do this.

‘It simply means that we are in a deep state of climate emergency.

If you trust the numbers from science.’

https://horizon.scienceblog.com/984/i-would-like-people-to-panic-top-scientist-unveils-equation-showing-world-in-climate-emergency/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28Science Blog.com%29 (https://horizon.scienceblog.com/984/i-would-like-people-to-panic-top-scientist-unveils-equation-showing-world-in-climate-emergency/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28Science Blog.com%29)

[RandomGuy]

Where have I lied? I DISAGREE with you! That isn’t a lie. I believe Greta is an actress... how is that a lie? It was evident to anyone that witnessed her speech. C’mon you’re going to buy the “how dare you?” diatribe as being legitimately written by her...? You can almost see the exact moment when Greta turns on the switch to her act, it’s disgusting. But because you support her message somehow her pre-scripted delivery and the exaggerated manner in which she is trying to sell that message is off-limits as a point for dissent? GTFOH with that weak excuse for an argument.

From.the guy who thinks evolution is a conspiracy.

[FrostKing]

Antifa shirt. She's done

https://i.ibb.co/zZrVtqL/ob-f94a0e-efgou8uuwaa1dwr.jpg

[Chris]

^full pic includes Sideshow Bob and creepy smile :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

From.the guy who thinks evolution is a conspiracy.

His bible says that God created humans :cry

[koriwhat]

mono getting pushed around with ease :lol

is Ease© now making forklifts?

[koriwhat]

that tantrum by greta the other day was quite amusing. i wonder who wrote her stupid fucking speech. as well, no one looks towards the youth to fix today's problems nor future problems. kids are fucking dumb but not as dumb as the ploy that is greta!

[koriwhat]

Where have I lied? I DISAGREE with you! That isn’t a lie. I believe Greta is an actress... how is that a lie? It was evident to anyone that witnessed her speech. C’mon you’re going to buy the “how dare you?” diatribe as being legitimately written by her...? You can almost see the exact moment when Greta turns on the switch to her act, it’s disgusting. But because you support her message somehow her pre-scripted delivery and the exaggerated manner in which she is trying to sell that message is off-limits as a point for dissent? GTFOH with that weak excuse for an argument.

it's not ok to attack greta's bullshit message but it is ok to attack a kid just standing there in the face of a methhead native banging a drum with his off beat shananigans.

[koriwhat]

Your argument was based on a lie. Having IMDB entries for talking about climate change on The Daily Show is not being a “paid actress”, you disingenuous cunt.

you're just a dumbfuck who thinks he's smarter than everyone when you're right up there with corky.

ps: when's your "600lb life" episode debuting btw? i'll dvr it.

[DarrinS]

And there it is.

There's not an equivalence.

[DarrinS]

Well of course you say that. One’s a sweet blessed child who dindu nuffin, the other is a paid actor brainwashed by evil scientists trying to take over the world.

What did the dindu nuffin actually do?

[koriwhat]

And there it is.

yes, there it is. you called it! so what's good for the goose is good for the gander then, right?

fuck greta, her dumbass parents, and the handlers who write her bullshit diatribe.

[TheGreatYacht]

Alaska’s Sea Ice Completely Melted Earlier Than Ever Before

https://truthout.org/articles/alaskas-sea-ice-completely-melted-for-first-time-in-recorded-history/

[koriwhat]

Alaska’s Sea Ice Completely Melted Earlier Than Ever Before

https://truthout.org/articles/alaskas-sea-ice-completely-melted-for-first-time-in-recorded-history/

Board of Advisers

William Ayers...

you're brainwashed holmes!

[Spurminator]

Seems like a good time to remind everyone that koriwhat's response when people were dunking on John Bolton was "Oh yeah? Do you know him personally?"

[Chris]

What did the dindu nuffin actually do?
mono

[ElNono]

Putting kids in that situation is ridiculous and stupid. Whining about the kids is even more stupid.

Then again, when you’re talking with people of faith, there’s no big-enough mental gymnastics they won’t go through.

[Spurtacular]

You paying attention to the world is ending rhetoric yet, Lite?
spurraider21


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOE6J8etu0E

[RandomGuy]

Don’t be purposely obtuse

You are talking about DarrinS here. IT is kinda his schtick.

[RandomGuy]

Spare me the faux outrage Manny. Chick seems legit crazy to me but maybe you're right and she is acting.

I am curious what real climate scientists like you think when when you see deranged children screaming that they're all about to die from global warming. Are you thinking yeah that's what the science says or are you thinking man this has really gone off track?


Climate change will cause more droughts and famines in places with food insecurity.

It will kill people.

Are you saying that people don't die in famines?


[crickets]

Don't fold so soon SnakeBoy It was a simple yes or no question.

[RandomGuy]

She is a puppet... but yeah wrap up the message in the most vulnerable looking package and leftists will all collectively rally behind her. Flip the narrative and they aren’t so protective. Imagine if a 10 year old abortion survivor made the same sort of plea at the Planned Parenthood headquarters... yeah, she would likely be ostracized and made into a pariah...

The point being that the deliverer of the massage is not the focal point here: but the message itself. Leftist ideologues will band together behind any narrative they already support. Conservatives will band behind any message they support as well. It’s human nature.

Jeez. Imagine if a government forced an 11 year old girl to be pregnant with her father's child. I bet you would ostracize her and make her into a pariah for wanting to terminate the pregnancy, hypocrite.

[RandomGuy]

Good point. All ice ages (which are major climate changes) were a result of natural climate variability.


You seriously still don't know why this is a dumb shit thing to say? Wow.

Seriously Darrin, what the fuck, man. The flaw in this reasoning has been explained to you multiple times.

Do you not understand why this is flawed?

[RandomGuy]

Playground insults? Lol you are in grade school. Just calling out your straw man as I see it. Greta’s speech delivery was excessive... That was my point. I don’t care if she’s a teen, that doesn’t make her message any more true.

... and there it is.

Yes or no, assume she is an actress. Is her message therefore false?

Are her feelings in this case not genuine?

Two simple yes or no questions that go to the heart of what appears to be your argument.

[pgardn]

is Ease© now making forklifts?

Cry for help between the Chris ——- Kori——-Spurter Triumvirate Of Knowledge

[Phenomanul]

Jeez. Imagine if a government forced an 11 year old girl to be pregnant with her father's child. I bet you would ostracize her and make her into a pariah for wanting to terminate the pregnancy, hypocrite.

For the umpteenth time, termination of an abortion due to the risk posed to the mother’s health has always been legal (most everywhere). It has literally been performed at the judgement of the doctor based on medical need throughout the modern era.

Your straw man deflects from the primary reason why most on "the Right" reject the wanton and indiscriminate use of abortion. MURDER should not be a contraceptive option when other choices are available. Over 60 million babies have been murdered in the USA since Roe vs Wade proliferated the use of the procedure. Only the tiniest smidgeon of a fraction of that number would be categorized as falling into the subset of terminations associated with preteen incest. I reject your hypocrite label given the utter and deliberate disregard for the primary reason (by far) why abortions occur in this country: CONVENIENCE. The callousness with which you dismiss the significance of this argument is the very reason why you have zero room to parade yourself as someone that lobbies for the lives of children. Your talk of mental gymnastics is the true hypocrisy here.

If you want to believe that Greta isn’t another paid spokesperson that’s your naïve prerogative. I’m not about to be suckered into your religion of environmentalism simply because the spokesperson happens to be some emotional kid trying to tug at the heartstrings. And really, who the hell do you think you are? Demanding answers from other people as if you were some sort of judge... no one here owes you anything, especially not with arrogance and condescension with which you demand that they listen to you. It’s pathetic really that you try to derive self-importance from a place such as this. :lmao

EDIT: life in general has been better, particularly now that this sub-forum is no longer the time-wasting hole that it used to be for me.

[koriwhat]

Did you just say fuck a kid with autism?

oh no! yes, it's clear as day, i said, "fuck greta" and you know why? not because she has autism and not her personally but fuck what she represents which is a true puppet who spews the same vitriol her parents and handlers taught her to spew.

now a personal fuck you goes out to your obese ass though. :tu


Seems like a good time to remind everyone that koriwhat's response when people were dunking on John Bolton was "Oh yeah? Do you know him personally?"

and i still stand by that. do you know john bolton? do you know the inner workings of the admin? how about bolton's day to day life? nah, then stfu.

as for whether or not i know greta, i don't but anyone can see a ruse for a ruse.

ps: i look towards no kids for "hope" and that greta hasn't lost her childhood or dreams considering most would consider it a dream to fly around the world and on to the hill to advocate for climate change while destroying the climate at the same time and acting all pissed off while reading someone else's speech.

[koriwhat]

For the umpteenth time, termination of an abortion due to the risk posed to the mother’s health has always been legal (most everywhere). It was literally performed at the judgement of the doctor based on medical need.

Your straw man deflects from the primary reason why most on the Right reject the wanton and indiscriminate use of abortion. Murder should not be a contraceptive option when other choices are available. Over 60 million babies have been murdered in the US since Roe vs Wade. Only the tiniest smidgeon of a fraction of that number would be categorized as falling into the subset of terminations associated with preteen incest. I reject your hypocrite label given the utter and deliberate disregard for the primary reason (by far) why abortions occur in this country: convenience. The callousness with which you dismiss the significance of this argument is the very reason why you have zero room to parade yourself as someone that lobbies for the lives of children. Your talk of mental gymnastics is the true hypocrisy here.

If you want to believe that Greta isn’t another paid spokesperson that’s your naïve prerogative. I’m not about to be suckered into your environmentalism religion simply because the spokesperson happens to be an emotional kid trying to tug at the heartstrings. And who the hell do you think you are? Demanding answers from other people as if you were some judge... no one here owes you anything, especially not with arrogance and condescension with which you demand that they listen to you. It’s pathetic really that you try to derive self-importance from a place such as this. :lmao

:tu strong post and so damn true too!

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/60JTn7L/Screenshot-2019-09-26-19-49-39-1.png

[FrostKing]

,

[RandomGuy]

... and there it is.

Yes or no, assume she is an actress. Is her message therefore false?

Are her feelings in this case not genuine?

Two simple yes or no questions that go to the heart of what appears to be your argument.



If you want to believe that Greta isn’t another paid spokesperson that’s your naïve prerogative. I’m not about to be suckered into your environmentalism religion simply because the spokesperson happens to be an emotional kid trying to tug at the heartstrings. And who the hell do you think you are? Demanding answers from other people as if you were some judge... no one here owes you anything, especially not with arrogance and condescension with which you demand that they listen to you. It’s pathetic really that you try to derive self-importance from a place such as this. :lmao

You bitched when people ignored your argument, then as soon as I hit your main point, you pretend it didn't happen.

The questions remain, regardless of what I think of myself or anyone else for that matter. I simply value honesty, which you do not in my experience.

People who do not value honesty generally cannot answer simple questions in defense of their worldview.

Yes or no, assume she is an actress. Is her message therefore false?

Are her feelings in this case not genuine?

Two simple yes or no questions that go to the heart of what appears to be your argument.

[RandomGuy]

Imagine if a government forced an 11 year old girl to be pregnant with her father's child. I bet you would ostracize her and make her into a pariah for wanting to terminate the pregnancy, hypocrite.


For the umpteenth time, termination of an abortion due to the risk posed to the mother’s health has always been legal (most everywhere). It was literally performed at the judgement of the doctor based on medical need.

Your straw man deflects from the primary reason why most on the Right reject the wanton and indiscriminate use of abortion. Murder should not be a contraceptive option when other choices are available. Over 60 million babies have been murdered in the US since Roe vs Wade. Only the tiniest smidgeon of a fraction of that number would be categorized as falling into the subset of terminations associated with preteen incest. I reject your hypocrite label given the utter and deliberate disregard for the primary reason (by far) why abortions occur in this country: convenience. The callousness with which you dismiss the significance of this argument is the very reason why you have zero room to parade yourself as someone that lobbies for the lives of children. Your talk of mental gymnastics is the true hypocrisy here.


It isn't a strawman, you twit. Jeez, you guys suck at this.

I would put forth that no babies at all have been murdered, since my definition of baby differs from your fucktarded one. That is pretty easy for me to square.

You however have a harder row to hoe here, morally.

Let's start on how much you want to force people to risk their lives and let other people use their bodies.

Do I have a right to require you to give me a life-saving blood transfusion, yes or no?

[boutons_deux]

"the wanton and indiscriminate use of abortion" :lol

:lol Religion makes you stupid

A Miscarrying Woman Nearly Died After a Catholic Hospital Sent Her Home Three Times

At some point, records indicate she was given misoprostol to soften her cervix.

But before she made it to the operating room, Alison miscarried into the toilet.

The Catholic health ... its statement of common values, which says it “strives to promote the sanctity of all human life.”

https://rewire.news/article/2019/09/25/miscarriage-catholic-hospital/

misogynist Catholic Sharia, defined by men, often hidden in the Catholic facilities' public policies (a BUSINESS decision), puts women's health and lives at risk

[pgardn]

P
https://i.ibb.co/60JTn7L/Screenshot-2019-09-26-19-49-39-1.png
Upon further investigation it was found the 14 yo also found out Santa Claus was not real.

[Winehole23]

P
Upon further investigation it was found the 14 yo also found out Santa Claus was not real.Please find the Greta Thunberg help line for emotionally fragile middle aged men at the link:

https://chaser.com.au/world/an-angry-middle-aged-mans-guide-to-greta-thunberg/

[boutons_deux]

Silencing Science: Trump Campaign Tries To Quash Anthropogenic Connection To Climate Crisis

Maria Caffrey, PhD (https://colorado.academia.edu/MariaCaffrey), of the University of Colorado, Boulder, who works with the US Park Service.

She did a four-year study of the potential impact of climate crisis on 118 national parks in 2030, 2050, and 2100.

It was finished in late 2016 just before Donald Trump ascended to the presidency (after losing the vote by nearly 3,000,000 votes).Dr. Caffrey’s report went through 18 revisions.

The word “anthropogenic” was removed to prevent the link between humans and climate crisis from being made in the report.

Two years passed to delay the report.

In the end, even while

under pressure from three government officials that she might lose her job, and

maybe some of her co-workers could lose their jobs,

Dr. Caffrey stuck to her principles, and the report was released in a version that was “uncensored.”In the course of this ordeal, Dr. Caffrey said

“she was instructed that the Park Service works for Trump and not the American people.“

Columbia University runs a silencing science tracking website (http://columbiaclimatelaw.com/resources/silencing-science-tracker) that has hundreds of examples of cases

when climate crisis science has been silenced or self-censored in federal or state cases

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/26/silencing-science-trump-campaign-tries-to-quash-anthropogenic-connection-to-climate-crisis/

[lefty]

Greta is in my town today!!!!!


:lol dirty Montreal , oh the irony

[RandomGuy]

Please find the Greta Thunberg help line for emotionally fragile middle aged men at the link:

https://chaser.com.au/world/an-angry-middle-aged-mans-guide-to-greta-thunberg/

The meltdown in the conservative blogosphere has uncovered some really ugly misogyny.

"if she is old enough to take a stand against climate change, she is old enough for us to have sex with her"

Not making that up. (ick)

[DarrinS]

The meltdown in the conservative blogosphere has uncovered some really ugly misogyny.

"if she is old enough to take a stand against climate change, she is old enough for us to have sex with her"

Not making that up. (ick)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gva78eneSbQ/Ub9ex44bL6I/AAAAAAAAMZs/FXqwtY3kc-c/s1600/dont-believe-you.gif

[RandomGuy]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gva78eneSbQ/Ub9ex44bL6I/AAAAAAAAMZs/FXqwtY3kc-c/s1600/dont-believe-you.gif

(shrugs)


"not being provacative, but if you think Greta Thunberg has the maturity to guide global policy-making then you cannot object to Jeffrey Epstein paying 16-year-olds for sex"

Not saying it is some wide consensus, but expressed in more than one place. As I said, icky.

[DarrinS]

:lol

Justin Murphy, formerly “a respectable member of the organized left,” has provided the internet with a prime example of what not to tweet.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/justin-murphy-greta-thunberg-jeffrey-epstein/

[spurraider21]

who is justin murphy?

[DarrinS]

Regardless, that dude is an idiot.

[DarrinS]

who is justin murphy?

Famous conservative blogger. :lol

[DarrinS]

RG must have an interesting Google search history. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Regardless, that dude is an idiot.

Regardless the attacks on the messanger continue.

IT is easier than debating the science for the anti-science crowd, I guess.

[RandomGuy]

Good point. All ice ages (which are major climate changes) were a result of natural climate variability.


You seriously still don't know why this is a dumb shit thing to say? Wow.

Seriously Darrin, what the fuck, man. The flaw in this reasoning has been explained to you multiple times.

Do you not understand why this is flawed?

[koriwhat]

So you’re proud of saying “fuck a kid with autism”. Got it :tu

Twist it however you like you real life troll looking loser.

[Chris]

:lol

Justin Murphy, formerly “a respectable member of the organized left,” has provided the internet with a prime example of what not to tweet.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/justin-murphy-greta-thunberg-jeffrey-epstein/

Another stinker from RG.

[RandomGuy]

Another stinker from RG.

(yawn)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1177791204425109504?s=19

She is a terrific actor, even Arnold thinks so :tu

[Winehole23]

Chris likes entertainers when they say something he likes.

James Woods, Chuck Woolery, Jon Voight.

[boutons_deux]

BigFinance/IMF still lends $Bs to destructive, polluting, AGW carbon economy BigCorp, all over the planet

And of course, BigFinance/Capitalism doesn't give the tiniest fuck about the environment, but only how it can amass more Capital

If there's profit in non-Carbon economy, or anywhere, the Vampire-Squid BigFinance will go after it.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1178607155571826688?s=19


:wow

[TheGreatYacht]

5 Stories The Media Ignored While Dividing The Country With Greta Thunberg

https://youtu.be/FguJxRcrU_A

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1178607155571826688?s=19


:wow
they should publish their research instead of penning useless letters

[DarrinS]

We need to start eating the babies, tbh

1179908480322289664

[TheGreatYacht]

We need to start eating the babies, tbh

1179908480322289664

Goeroge Soros funded tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

We need to start eating the babies, tbh

1179908480322289664
ok lets go quote farming for some random trump constituents.

what an idiotic use of time

[boutons_deux]

Meet the Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement

Nearly a billion dollars a year is flowing into the organized climate change counter-movement

it's not “for some reason” that

people are confused.

There's a very obvious reason.

There is a very well-funded, well-orchestrated climate change-denial movement,

one funded by powerful people with very deep pockets.

In a new and incredibly thorough study (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10584-013-1018-7%20), Drexel University sociologist Robert Brulle (http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~brullerj/%20)took a deep dive into the financial structure of the climate deniers, to see who is holding the purse strings (http://www.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/now/pdfs/Institutionalizing%20Delay%20-%20Climatic%20Change.ashx).

According to Brulle's research (http://www.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/now/pdfs/Institutionalizing%20Delay%20-%20Climatic%20Change.ashx),

the 91 think tanks and advocacy organizations and trade associations that make up the American climate denial industry

pull down just shy of a billion dollars each year (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/20/conservative-groups-1bn-against-climate-change),

money used to lobby or sway public opinion on climate change and other
issues.

“The anti-climate effort has been largely underwritten by conservative billionaires,” ...“often working through secretive funding networks.

They have displaced corporations as the prime supporters of 91 think tanks, advocacy groups and industry associations which have worked to block action on climate change.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/meet-the-money-behind-the-climate-denial-movement-180948204/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/meet-the-money-behind-the-climate-denial-movement-180948204/)

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1179908480322289664?s=20
Sick people!

[FrostKing]

-

[Chris]

ok lets go quote farming for some random trump constituents.

what an idiotic use of time

salty :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

We need to start eating the babies, tbh

1179908480322289664

1180104921678569473

My bad...it wasn't George Soros afterall it was a Trumptard paid troll :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

It's NOT Climate Change - It's Population Growth

https://youtu.be/N2rvCcagsaw

[pgardn]

1180104921678569473

My bad...it wasn't George Soros afterall it was a Trumptard paid troll :lol

You will figure out a way to blame it on Choos and Zionists, no worries... In YOUR mind.

[DarrinS]

She sounded only slightly crazier than the Swedish girl. :lol

[ElNono]

ok lets go quote farming for some random trump constituents.

what an idiotic use of time

Another Ryan Saavedra special...

[TheGreatYacht]

Another Ryan Saavedra special...

A Zionist neocon war monger just like his master Ben Shapiro

[Winehole23]

We need to start eating the babies, tbh

1179908480322289664you got juked :lol

1179933213021626368

[pgardn]

She sounded only slightly crazier than the Swedish girl. :lol

So this means the science of climatology is wrong.
Logical conclusion.
Take a big leap.

[boutons_deux]

Report shows ‘stunning and dramatic’ scenes of thawing permafrost in Siberia that ‘leaves millions on unstable ground’

“Rivers are rising and running faster, and entire neighborhoods are falling into them.”

Rising global temperatures from human activity are causing the world’s permafrost—

a mix of soil, rocks, and sand that remains frozen for two or more consecutive years—

to thaw and release (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/04/16/thawing-permafrost-emitting-higher-levels-potent-greenhouse-gas-previously-thought) greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere, further warming the planet.

“the permafrost that once sustained farming—and upon which villages and cities are built—is in the midst of a great thaw, blanketing the region with swamps, lakes, and odd bubbles of earth that render the land virtually useless.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/report-shows-stunning-and-dramatic-scenes-of-thawing-permafrost-in-siberia-that-leaves-millions-on-unstable-ground/

It's GAMEOVER for the planet.

A handful of conservative billionaires are keeping their AGW-denial strategy going full blast,

their $Bs insulating themselves from the AGW shitstorm they are dumping on Bs of people.

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1177791204425109504?s=19

She is a terrific actor, even Arnold thinks so :tu

lol 2 fucking retards

[boutons_deux]

‘This is truly terrifying’: Scientists discover ocean waters ‘boiling with methane’ in Arctic

they found a 50-square-foot area of the East Siberian Sea “boiling with methane bubbles.”

“This is the most powerful seep I have ever been able to observe,” lead scientist Igor Semiletov said Monday, using a term for methane gas bubbling up from the seafloor to the surface.

“No one has ever recorded anything similar.”

Compared with carbon dioxide, methane has a shorter lifetime in the atmosphere

but is better at trapping radiation, so

methane’s impact is more than 25 times greater than that of carbon dioxide over a 100-year period

Experts are increasingly concerned about the consequences of thawing permafrost that is located both beneath land and water in the planet’s coldest regions.

Last week, the Washington Post reported on

“stunning and dramatic” scenes from a region of Eastern Siberia where “sections of many older, wooden buildings already sag toward the ground—

rendered uninhabitable by the unevenly thawing earth,” and “rivers are rising and running faster,”

sweeping away entire neighborhoods.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/this-is-truly-terrifying-scientists-discover-ocean-waters-boiling-with-methane-in-arctic/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1690&recip_id=298460&list_id=1 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/this-is-truly-terrifying-scientists-discover-ocean-waters-boiling-with-methane-in-arctic/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1690&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)

Then add in the underreported / unmonitored methane from oil/gas extraction, etc, etc, etc.

Repent! The End Is Nigh!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/seasonal-celebrations-end_is_in_sight-the_end_is_nigh-thanksgiving-turkeys-prophets-dre1343_low.jpg

[TheGreatYacht]

https://youtu.be/Atn-cg7Omks

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042) Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656) koriwhat (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10674) all agreed with this guy.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2019/10/11/greta-thunberg-iowa-waterloo-teacher-resigns-matt-baish-wcsd-police-sniper-rifle-comment-climate/3946175002/

Iowa teacher who posted 'sniper rifle' comment about climate activist's visit resigns


Matt Baish, a science teacher at Waterloo West High School, had been placed on administrative leave (https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/04/greta-thunberg-sniper-rifle-gun-teacher-waterloo-high-school-science-threat-facebook-comment-iowa/3867963002/) after posting "Dont have my sniper rifle" Oct. 3 on an article shared from Little Village Magazine about Thunberg, a 16-year-old Swedish girl who has spoken out about climate change.

[DMC]

https://youtu.be/Atn-cg7Omks

Stick to regurgitating other people's thoughts. When you step out on your own you fall flat on your face.

[koriwhat]

DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042) Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656) koriwhat (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10674) all agreed with this guy.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2019/10/11/greta-thunberg-iowa-waterloo-teacher-resigns-matt-baish-wcsd-police-sniper-rifle-comment-climate/3946175002/

Iowa teacher who posted 'sniper rifle' comment about climate activist's visit resigns

:lmao i have no clue what this is but yeah i agreed with this guy.... go fuck yourself ya bitch!

[DarrinS]

DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042) Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656) koriwhat (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10674) all agreed with this guy.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2019/10/11/greta-thunberg-iowa-waterloo-teacher-resigns-matt-baish-wcsd-police-sniper-rifle-comment-climate/3946175002/

Iowa teacher who posted 'sniper rifle' comment about climate activist's visit resigns


???

[TheGreatYacht]

Come to my side. I don't like you challenging my beliefs :cry

Nah I'm good.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

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[DarrinS]

???

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[Chris]

Don't @ me faggot.

[Chris]

Fg9vWB3cqQo

[koriwhat]

fuck yes greta!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RfphGMYq0g

[DMC]

People who deny science and physics are delusional or ignorant.

[pgardn]

https://youtu.be/Atn-cg7Omks


1 minute into her diatribe she claims it’s a mute point, yet she kept on blathering.
Explain please.

[boutons_deux]

1 minute into her diatribe she claims it’s a mute point, yet she kept on blathering.
Explain please.

Am I hearing this right? mute or moot?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/1776Stonewall/status/1186679419412402183?s=19

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/1776Stonewall/status/1186679419412402183?s=19
doesnt say that's why she was fired. and has nothing to do with the 97% statistic, which isn't based on polling a bunch of scientists, but rather, a review of published research on the subject

[FuzzyLumpkins]

doesnt say that's why she was fired. and has nothing to do with the 97% statistic, which isn't based on polling a bunch of scientists, but rather, a review of published research on the subject

Innuendo over substance. It's the right wing playbook.

[pgardn]

Am I hearing this right? mute or moot?

she said mute, thus my comment

[boutons_deux]

Dinosaurs became extinct from the same horrifying conditions plaguing our oceans

“We could very easily have something more extreme … so this should be something that is yes, horrifying to us.”

the first direct evidence that the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction was caused in part by a decrease in the oceans' pH levels.

This likely happened because the asteroid impact led to sulfur-rich rocks creating acid rain, which went into the ocean and disrupted its ecosystem.

What is alarming is that acidification is currently happening in the planet’s oceans today,

even without an asteroid to disrupt the environment because of carbon dioxide emissions.

According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA (https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/ocean-coasts-education-resources/ocean-acidification)),

over the last 200 years — since the industrial revolution — the pH of the ocean surface has fallen by 0.1 pH units.

Based on the current rate of carbon dioxide levels,

evidence suggest that the ocean could be 150 percent more acidic by the end of the century,

according to NOAA, “resulting in a pH that the oceans haven’t experienced for more than 20 million years.”

Planavsky said the latest evidence from the study gives us insight into what will be happening in the future if carbon emissions continue to rise.

The short-term event destabilized and altered the structure of ecosystems for millions of years, so this should be something that is yes, horrifying to us.

https://www.salon.com/2019/10/22/dinosaurs-extinction-acidic-oceans-ph-asteroid/ (https://www.salon.com/2019/10/22/dinosaurs-extinction-acidic-oceans-ph-asteroid/)

Wonderfully, predatory, avaricious Capitalism and Capitalists don't GAF about long term anything, only short-term wealth accumulation.

[boutons_deux]

BigCarbon perpetrators pretending to GIVE A TINY SHIT about the external costs of them make $Ts in profits

Oil and Gas Climate Initiative

https://oilandgasclimateinitiative.com/ (https://oilandgasclimateinitiative.com/)

[boutons_deux]

U.S. Military Could Collapse Within 20 Years Due to Climate Change, Report Commissioned By Pentagon Says

The report says a combination of

global starvation,
war,
disease,
drought, and
a fragile power grid

could have cascading, devastating effects.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbmkz8/us-military-could-collapse-within-20-years-due-to-climate-change-report-commissioned-by-pentagon-says?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_847994 (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbmkz8/us-military-could-collapse-within-20-years-due-to-climate-change-report-commissioned-by-pentagon-says?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_847994)

.... FUD? from the biggest USA polluter who created dozen of taxpayer-financed SuperFund sites?

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Offshore Drilling Plan Would Be an Environmental Disaster

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/content/uploads/2019/10/16131359/OffshorePlans-table1-693-1.png

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/content/uploads/2019/10/16131428/OffshorePlans-fig1-693-2.png

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/content/uploads/2019/10/16131443/OffshorePlans-fig2-693-1.png

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/content/uploads/2019/10/18122004/OffshorePlans-fig3.png





https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/news/2019/10/23/475732/trumps-offshore-drilling-plan-environmental-disaster/

[Winehole23]

NBD

https://climateandsecurity.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/implications-of-climate-change-for-us-army_army-war-college_2019.pdf
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbmkz8/us-military-could-collapse-within-20-years-due-to-climate-change-report-commissioned-by-pentagon-says