Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1

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"solar forcing" is bullshit, earth, fuck the sun, should be in a cooling period, not high warming period

the sun was still there when the earth was "snowball earth"

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Climate change denial seems to be the de facto Biden Administration policy, much like his immediate predecessors

In climate reversal, Biden okays new oil and gas mega auction

https://news.yahoo.com/climate-reversal-biden-okays-oil-020427695.html (https://news.yahoo.com/climate-reversal-biden-okays-oil-020427695.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)

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220+ Medical Journals Unite to Demand Urgent Action on Climate Emergency

"The greatest threat to global public health is the continued failure of world leaders to keep the global temperature rise below 1.5°C and to restore nature," warn journals in unprecedented joint editorial.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/09/06/220-medical-journals-unite-demand-urgent-action-climate-emergency

Capitalism owns Congress and the political class, and Capitalism doesn't give a shit about AGW, only about amassing more Capital

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You got the con, you & Biden. Go on,,,do your thing.

Chop/chop.

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it's the greenwashing opportunity of a lifetime

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I think U233 derived from thorium is a fine nuclear fuel, but you still have to store the waste for at least hundreds of years for each batch for as long as the power is produced.

So where is all the waste from tens of thousands of reactors going to go?


Scientists are excited about an experimental nuclear reactor using thorium as fuel, which is about to begin tests in China. Although this radioactive element has been trialled in reactors before, experts say that China is the first to have a shot at commercializing the technology.

The reactor is unusual in that it has molten salts circulating inside it instead of water. It has the potential to produce nuclear energy that is relatively safe and cheap, while also generating a much smaller amount of very long-lived radioactive waste than conventional reactors.

Construction of the experimental thorium reactor in Wuwei, on the outskirts of the Gobi Desert, was due to be completed by the end of August — with trial runs scheduled for this month (https://www.gswuwei.gov.cn/art/2021/5/19/art_174_317815.html), according to the government of Gansu province.

Thorium is a weakly radioactive, silvery metal found naturally in rocks, and currently has little industrial use. It is a waste product of the growing rare-earth mining industry in China, and is therefore an attractive alternative to imported uranium, say researchers.

https://media.nature.com/lw800/magazine-assets/d41586-021-02459-w/d41586-021-02459-w_19645856.png
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02459-w

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I'll boil it down, fart face...

President Trump: $2.29 a gallon.
Mother fucker Biden: $3.29 a gallon.

That's it & that's all.

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"drill baby, drill"

says the far-left, Marxist-Leninist Biden admnistration


On August 9, 2021, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released a new reportdetailing observations of a rapidly changing climate in every region globally. This report doesnot present sufficient cause to supplement the EIS, at this timehttps://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/gulf-lease-rod.pdf

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doing nothing will have very large costs

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doing nothing will have very large costs

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Doing nothing has a cost? NO WAY.

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Doing nothing has a cost? NO WAY.some say yes


Banks and companies in the eurozone risk economic loss and financial instability, the central bank said Wednesday as it published the results of its first economywide climate stress test (https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecb.op281~05a7735b1c.en.pdf?278f6135a442cd01054885 13e77e3e6d), part of a major effort by policymakers to support the transition to a net-zero carbon world.


By the end of the century, more frequent and severe natural disasters could shrink the region’s economy by 10 percent if no new policies to mitigate climate change are introduced, the report said. By comparison, the costs of transition would be no more than 2 percent of gross domestic product.


“The short-term costs of transition pale in comparison with the costs of unfettered climate change in the medium to long term,” the report published on Wednesday said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/business/europe-climate-change-cost.html

the "stress test" : https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecb.op281~05a7735b1c.en.pdf?278f6135a442cd01054885 13e77e3e6d

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spending money to fuck the environment with an energy source that should be being aggressively phased out

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spending money to fuck the environment with an energy source that should be being aggressively phased out

1450465791724466178special interest subsidized by ratepayers, by the order of a state in hock to it.

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The IEA, hardly a bastion of wide eyed leftists, includes net zero goals into its 2021 modeling and emphasizes that continued investment in oil, gas and coal is counterproductive and not sustainable.


The energy sector is responsible for almost three-quarters of the emissions that have already pushed global average temperatures 1.1 °C higher since the pre-industrial age, with visible impacts on weather and climate extremes. The energy sector has to be at the heart of the solution to climate change.

At the same time, modern energy is inseparable from the livelihoods and aspirations of a global population that is set to grow by some 2 billion people to 2050, with rising incomes pushing up demand for energy services, and many developing economies navigating what has historically been an energy- and emissions-intensive period of urbanisation and industrialisation. Today’s energy system is not capable of meeting these challenges; a low emissions revolution is long overdue.

This special edition of the World Energy Outlook has been designed to assist decision makers at the 26th Conference of the Parties (COP26) and beyond by describing the key decision points that can move the energy sector onto safer ground. It provides a detailed stocktake of how far countries have come in their clean energy transitions, how far they still have to go to reach the 1.5 °C goal, and the actions that governments and others can take to seize opportunities and avoid pitfalls along the way. With multiple scenarios and case studies, this WEO explains what is at stake, at a time when informed debate on energy and climate is more important than ever.
https://www.iea.org/reports/world-energy-outlook-2021/executive-summary

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Biden begs OPEC to open the spigot

Glad that IPCC report was "a wake up call"


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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBnfOe2VkAMHVGp?format=jpg&name=medium

[SnakeBoy]

Climate change denial seems to be the de facto Biden Administration policy, much like his immediate predecessors

In reality acceptance, Biden okays new oil and gas mega auction

https://news.yahoo.com/climate-reversal-biden-okays-oil-020427695.html (https://news.yahoo.com/climate-reversal-biden-okays-oil-020427695.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)

fify

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fifyWhich reality are you referring to?

Regulatory capture? Willful obliviousness to future economic/environmental harm?

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This guy traces a sort of third path between political reform and replacing capitalism, namely, creating property rights -- a commonly held trust -- in co-inherited wealth


Before we talk about universal property, we need to look at co-inherited wealth, for that is what universal property is based on.


A full inventory of co-inherited wealth would fill pages. Consider, for starters, air, water, topsoil, sunlight, fire, photo#syn#thesis, seeds, elec##tri#city, minerals, fuels, cultivable plants, domesticable animals, law, sports, religion, calendars, recipes, mathema#tics, jazz, libraries and the internet. Without these and many more, our lives would be incalculably poorer.


Universal property does not involve all of all those wonderful things. Rather, it focuses on a subset: the large, complex natural and social systems that support market economies, yet are excluded from repre#sentation in them. This subset includes natural ecosystems like the Earth’s atmosphere and watersheds, and collective human constructs such as our legal, monetary and communications systems. All these systems are enormously valuable, in some cases priceless. Not only do our daily lives depend on them; they add prodigious value to mar#kets, en#ab#ling corporations and private for#tunes to grow to gargan#tu#an sizes. Yet the systems were not built by anyone living today; they are all gifts we inherit together. So it is fair to ask, who are their bene##ficial owners?


There are, essentially, three possibilities: no one, government, or all of us together equally. This book is about what happens if we choose the third option, and create property rights to apply it.


Let’s startwith an obvious question: how much is this subset of co-inherited wealth worth? While it is impos#sible to put a precise number on this, estimates have been made. In 2000, the late Nobel economist Herbert Simon stated, “If we are very gen#er##ous with our#selves, we might claim that we ‘earned’ as much as one fifth of [our present wealth]. The rest [eighty percent] is patrimony asso#ci#a#ted with being a member of an enormously productive social sys#tem, which has accumulated a vast store of physical capital and an even larger store of intellectual capital.”


Simon arrived at his estimate by comparing incomes in highly devel#oped economies with those in earlier stages of development. The huge differ##en#ces are due not to the rates of economic activity today — indeed, young economies often grow faster than mature ones — but to the much larger differences in institutions and know-how accumu#lated over decades. A few years later, World Bank economists William Easterly and Ross Levine con#firmed Simon’s math. They conducted a detailed study of rich and poor countries and asked what made them different. They found that it wasn’t natural resources or the latest technologies. Rather, it was their social assets: the rule of law, pro#per#ty rights, a well-organized banking system, economic transpar#ency, and a lack of corruption. All these collective assets played a far great#er role than anything else.


The preceding analysis doesn’t include ecosystems gifted to us by nature, but Robert Costanza and a worldwide team of scientists and econ#o##mists took a crack that in 1997. They found that natural eco#systems gen#erate a global flow of benefits — including fresh water supply, soil formation, nutrient cycling, waste treatment, pollination, raw mater#ials and climate regulation — worth between $25 trillion and $87 trillion a year. That compares with a gross world product of about $80 trillion.


These calculations are precise enough to sug#gest that we are greatly confused about where our wealth today comes from. We think it comes from the fevered efforts of today’s businesses and workers, but in fact they merely add icing to a cake that was baked long ago.


WHERE TODAY’S WEALTH COMES FROM
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The calculations also suggest that we should devote far more atten#tion to co-inherited wealth than we currently do. Nowadays, econo#mics textbooks don’t even mention such wealth, much less its mag#ni##tude. Nor do Wall Street analysts or financial report#ers. This is a grievous oversight that greatly impedes our understanding of our economy. It is like trying to comprehend the universe without taking dark matter into account, or ana#lyzing a business while ignor#ing over eighty percent of its assets.
https://evonomics.com/a-new-capitalism-the-case-for-universal-property/

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In principle, not so outlandish as it sounds, consider carbon offsets


An archetypal, albeit theoretical, example of universal property is the ‘sky trust’ I proposed in my 2001 book, Who Owns The Sky? It is archetypal because it includes features of pension-like funds and fiduciary trusts simultaneously. In it, a fiduciary trust is charged with protecting the integrity of the atmosphere (or one nation’s share of it) for future generations. It auctions a declining quantity of permits to dump carbon into our sky, and divides the proceeds equally. A version of this model was intro#duced in Congress in 2009 by Representative (now Senator) Chris van Hollen of Maryland and re-introduced several times since.

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The equities make sense


There are two kinds of property, he wrote: “firstly, property that comes to us from the Creator of the universe — such as the Earth, air and water; and secondly, artificial or acquired property — the inven#tion of men.” Because humans have different talents and luck, the latter kind of property must necessarily be distributed unequally, but the first kind belongs to everyone equally. It is the “legitimate birth#right” of every man and woman.


To Paine, this was more than an abstract idea; it was something that could be implemented within a laissez faire economy. But how? How could the Earth, air and water possibly be distributed equally to every#one? Paine’s practical answer was that, though the assets them#selves can’t be distributed equally, income derived from them can be.


How again? Here Paine came up with an ingenious solution. He pro#posed a ‘national fund’ to pay every man and woman about $18,000 (in today’s dollars) at age twenty-one, and $12,000 a year after age fifty-five. In effect, nature’s gifts would be transformed into grants and annuities that would give every young person a start in life and every older person a dignified retirement. Revenue would come from ‘ground rent’ paid by private land owners upon their deaths. Paine used con#tem##porary French and English data to show that a ten per#cent inheritance tax — his mechanism for collecting ground rent — could fully pay for the universal grants and annuities.


An important nuance here is that the rent would be col#lect#ed not only on a deceased per#son’s land, but on his en#tire estate. It would thereby recoup many of soci#ety’sgifts as well as nature’s. And in Paine’s view, there was nothing wrong with this. “Sepa#rate an indi#vidual from soci#ety, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot…be rich. All accu#mu#lation therefore of personal pro#perty, beyond a man’s own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes, on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civiliza#tion, a part of that accu#mulation back again to society from whence the whole came.” What Paine invented here, in my retrospective opinion, was a prescient stroke of genius. Long before Wall Street sliced collateralized debt obli#gations into risk-based tranches, Paine designed a simple way to mone#tize co-inherited wealth for the equal benefit of everyone. It is a model as relevant — and revolu#tion#ary — today as it was then.

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Not much chatter here about COP26

https://ukcop26.org/

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Whatever the tweeter uses as "socialism", Denmark appears to "work" better than the brutal, inhumane Capitalism of USA.

Denmark ALWAYS rates very near the top in international rankings of national "happiness" and Human Development Index, certainly ALWAYS well above "USA fuck yeah"

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Blind spot: food and agriculture

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Biden warns of 'existential' climate threat at Glasgow summit

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/579403-biden-calls-for-collective-action-at-glasgow-climate-summit

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Biden is full of shit

Biden Promised To End New Drilling On Federal Land,

But Approvals Are Up

Approvals for companies to drill for oil and gas on U.S. public lands are on pace this year to reach their highest level since George W. Bush was president,

underscoring President Joe Biden's

reluctance to more forcefully curb petroleum production in the face of industry and Republican resistance.

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1015581092/biden-promised-to-end-new-drilling-on-federal-land-but-approvals-are-up

Republican resistance? fuck off

It's resistance from BigCarbon's owners of / donors to the Dems

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the word-play around this has always been hilarious

conservatives will bring up that denmark states they aren't socialist as if its some kind of own

but then when we want to implement some policies similar to, say, denmark, those policies are brushed off as socialism and therefore bad

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Cows toilet trained to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58552651

Next step, toilet training poopy pants Biden

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Cows toilet trained to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58552651

Next step, toilet training poopy pants Biden

Democrats:
1.2 trillion dollar infrastructure package
200 million vaccinations
5 million jobs
unemployment down to 4.6%
wages up $2/hr
Dow at an all time high


Republicans:
came up with a thing to call Joe Biden

:lol

[SnakeBoy]

Democrats:
1.2 trillion dollar infrastructure package
200 million vaccinations
5 million jobs
unemployment down to 4.6%
wages up $2/hr
Dow at an all time high


Republicans:
came up with a thing to call Joe Biden

:lol

Ol Joe is doing great

Gloomy landscape for Democrats in midterms as Biden's approval drops to 38% in USA TODAY/Suffolk poll
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/07/biden-approval-falls-38-midterms-loom-usa-today-suffolk-poll/6320098001/

Disapproval at 59%. Worse insurrectionist Trump's disapproval :lol

but thanks to dems for passing the Trump highway bill :tu. I'm looking forward to my rural roads getting chip sealed again. It really pisses off the douchebag cyclists that come out here to ride.

[RandomGuy]

Ol Joe is doing great

Gloomy landscape for Democrats in midterms as Biden's approval drops to 38% in USA TODAY/Suffolk poll
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/07/biden-approval-falls-38-midterms-loom-usa-today-suffolk-poll/6320098001/

Disapproval at 59%. Worse insurrectionist Trump's disapproval :lol

but thanks to dems for passing the Trump highway bill :tu. I'm looking forward to my rural roads getting chip sealed again. It really pisses off the douchebag cyclists that come out here to ride.

Are you better off than you were? Its the economy, stupid. :lol

Democrats:
Let's rebuild mainstreet

Republicans:
Let's attack sesame street

[RandomGuy]

Ol Joe is doing great

Gloomy landscape for Democrats in midterms as Biden's approval drops to 38% in USA TODAY/Suffolk poll
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/07/biden-approval-falls-38-midterms-loom-usa-today-suffolk-poll/6320098001/

Disapproval at 59%. Worse insurrectionist Trump's disapproval :lol

but thanks to dems for passing the Trump highway bill :tu. I'm looking forward to my rural roads getting chip sealed again. It really pisses off the douchebag cyclists that come out here to ride.

Democrats:
Let's get science back in the classrooms!

Republicans:
JFK is going to endorse Trump!

:lol

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GHG emissions steady or increasing. Planet is fucked

The only solution is removing Bs of tons of CO2 from the atmosphere. Nobody wants to pay for it.

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“No more subsidies for [the] fossil fuel industry. No more drilling on federal lands. No more drilling, including offshore. No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill, period. Ends.”Brandon didn't mean it, one says things like this to get nominated and elected.

https://www.worldoil.com/media/10272/gulf-of-mexico-lease-sale-252-map.jpg

https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf

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It's not pie in the sky, what's lacking is political will and funding

(CARES Act was 10.2% of GDP)


How Net Zero Compares to Past Episodes of Big Spendinghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEV5dxDWYAEW0-9?format=jpg&name=900x900


https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-financing-the-multi-trillion-dollar-transition-to-net-zero-isnt-that-hard-11636018200

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An alarming crackup has begun at the foot of Antarctica’s vulnerable Thwaites Glacier, whose meltwater is already responsible for about 4% of global sea level rise. An ice sheet the size of Florida, Thwaites ends its slide into the ocean as a floating ledge of ice 45 kilometers wide. But now, this ice shelf, riven by newly detected fissures on its surface and underside, is likely to break apart in the next 5 years or so, scientists reported today (https://agu.confex.com/agu/fm21/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/978762) at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union.


A collapse of the entire glacier, which some researchers think is only centuries away, would raise global sea level by 65 centimeters. And because Thwaites occupies a deep basin into which neighboring glaciers would flow, its demise could eventually lead to the loss of the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet (https://www.science.org/content/article/discovery-recent-antarctic-ice-sheet-collapse-raises-fears-new-global-flood), which locks up 3.3 meters of global sea level rise. “That would be a global change,” says Robert DeConto, a glaciologist at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. “Our coastlines will look different from space.”https://www.science.org/content/article/ice-shelf-holding-back-keystone-antarctic-glacier-within-years-failure

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Rising Sea Levels Will Threaten 200 Million People by 2100

The model used in the study assumes a global average temperature increase (https://www.statista.com/topics/1148/global-climate-change/) of 2° C and does not take into account the possibility of accelerated ice sheet melting.

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Underrated: rising groundwater


Arguably the first big study in a prominent scientific journal that looked at what sea-level rise might mean to groundwater levels was published in 2012 in the journal Nature by researchers Kolja Rotzoll and Chip Fletcher of the University of Hawaii. The study came on the heels of a report by the United States Geological Survey and Yale University researchers who looked at what would happen to groundwater in coastal New Haven, Connecticut, as sea levels rose. In both cases researchers found that the two would rise in concert.




“We looked at well records and found that the water table in the coastal zone goes up and down with the tides,” says Fletcher. “And so we realized there’s a direct connection between the ocean and the water table. And as the ocean rises due to climate change, the water table is going to rise and eventually flood the land. So we’re gonna have all these wetlands in urbanized areas and around roads, where we don’t really want them. And it turns out this is a form of sea-level rise that in many areas is more damaging than what people classically think of as the ocean flowing over the shoreline and flooding.”


https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/13/1041309/climate-change-rising-groundwater-flooding/

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For something you’ve probably never heard about, rising groundwater presents a real, and potentially catastrophic, threat to our infrastructure. Roadways will be eroded from below; septic systems won’t drain; seawalls will keep the ocean out but trap the water seeping up, leading to more flooding. Home foundations will crack; sewers will backflow and potentially leak toxic gases into people’s homes.

[RandomGuy]

Underrated: rising groundwater

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/13/1041309/climate-change-rising-groundwater-flooding/

That impinges on wells, right? Wouldn't the salinity increase in florida wellheads?

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That impinges on wells, right? Wouldn't the salinity increase in florida wellheads?oh yes

[DMC]

Rising Sea Levels Will Threaten 200 Million People by 2100

I'll come bump this thread if that doesn't happen.

[DMC]

That impinges on wells, right? Wouldn't the salinity increase in florida wellheads?

What keeps the ocean out now? :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Underrated: rising groundwater

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/13/1041309/climate-change-rising-groundwater-flooding/


Since 1950, sea level in the region has risen by eight inches

Bend Over, I'll show you an 8 inch rise

[baseline bum]

Running the AC on fucking December 15th

[Winehole23]

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The Thwaites Eastern Ice Shelf is the floating terminus of the Thwaites Glacier, one of the fastest changing glaciers in Antarctica and contributing as much as 4\% of global sea level rise today. This floating ice shelf is stabilized offshore by a marine shoal and acts as a dam to slow the flow of ice off the continent into the ocean. If this floating ice shelf breaks apart, the Thwaites Glacier will accelerate and its contribution to sea level rise will increase by as much as 25\%. Over the last several years, satellite radar imagery shows many new fractures opening up. Similar to a growing crack in the windshield of a car, a slowly growing crack means the windshield is weak and a small bump to the car might cause the windshield to suddenly break apart into hundreds of panes of glass. We have mapped out weaker and stronger areas of the ice shelf and suggest a “zig-zag” pathway the fractures might take through the ice, ultimately leading to break up of the shelf in as little as 5 years, which result in more ice flowing off the continent.https://agu.confex.com/agu/fm21/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/978762

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https://agu.confex.com/agu/fm21/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/978762
the deniers hate facts. :lol

[Winehole23]

the deniers hate facts. :lolmuch of the derided late 1990s climate change modeling has come up well short of the measurable change. another reason to disbelieve it, I suppose. :lol

[Winehole23]

very unusual weather

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGrgVlxVQAEO_sl?format=jpg&name=large

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MIT email
















Zimbabwe’s climate migration is a sign of what’s to come
Julius Mutero has harvested virtually nothing in the past six years. For his entire adult life, he has farmed a three-hectare plot in Mabiya, a farming community in eastern Zimbabwe.

But over a decade ago, his area started getting less rain and the rivers dried up. What was already a hot climate, with temperatures that could reach 30 °C (86 °F), began recording summer highs up to 37 °C (99 °F) on a regular basis.

Now the rainy season begins in late December instead of early November, and it ends sooner too.

Years of severe droughts have wiped out all Mutero’s crops. He has had no choice but to abandon his home and relocate to the country’s Eastern Highlands, which get more rain and heavier mists than the rest of the country.

Mutero is just one of the 86 million people in sub-Saharan Africa who the World Bank estimates will migrate domestically (https://technologyreview.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=47c1a9cec9749a8f8cbc83e78&id=40bec6f254&e=df54cd6124) by 2050 because of climate change—

the largest number predicted in any of six major regions the organization studied for a new report.

In Zimbabwe, farmers who have tried to stay put and adapt by harvesting rainwater or changing what they grow have found their efforts woefully inadequate in the face of new weather extremes.

Droughts have already forced tens of thousands from the country’s lowlands to the Eastern Highlands.

But their desperate moves are creating new competition for water in the region, and tensions may soon boil over.







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Capitalism doesn't fucking care

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Kanye West may have broken law hiding links to Republicans during presidential bid

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/gop-operatives-linked-to-kanye-wests-presidential-bid-in-potential-spoiler-effort-nyt.jpg?id=24489157&width=800&height=430

appears to have taken efforts designed to conceal the support his campaign was receiving from the Republican establishment.

styled as an 'independent' third-party effort— :lol

appears to have disguised potentially millions of dollars in services it received

from a secretive network of Republican Party operatives, including advisers to the GOP elite and a managing partner at one of the top conservative political firms in the country,"

“The importance of disclosure in this matter can’t be overstated,” Ryan said.

“It’s no secret that Kanye West’s candidacy would have a spoiler effect, siphoning votes from Democrat Joe Biden.

Voters had a right to know that a high-powered Republican lawyer was providing legal services to Kanye—

and federal law requires disclosure of such legal work.”

https://www.rawstory.com/kanye-west-campaign-finance-violations

Kanye duped? to run as a ghost candidate to split the Black vote. Black man cravenly serving The Man

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Kanye West may have broken law hiding links to Republicans during presidential bid

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/gop-operatives-linked-to-kanye-wests-presidential-bid-in-potential-spoiler-effort-nyt.jpg?id=24489157&width=800&height=430

appears to have taken efforts designed to conceal the support his campaign was receiving from the Republican establishment.

styled as an 'independent' third-party effort— :lol

appears to have disguised potentially millions of dollars in services it received

from a secretive network of Republican Party operatives, including advisers to the GOP elite and a managing partner at one of the top conservative political firms in the country,"

“The importance of disclosure in this matter can’t be overstated,” Ryan said.

“It’s no secret that Kanye West’s candidacy would have a spoiler effect, siphoning votes from Democrat Joe Biden.

Voters had a right to know that a high-powered Republican lawyer was providing legal services to Kanye—

and federal law requires disclosure of such legal work.”

https://www.rawstory.com/kanye-west-campaign-finance-violations

Kanye duped? to run as a ghost candidate to split the Black vote. Black man cravenly serving The Man

...but I thought West took it all back and called President Trump "honky lips" to confirm his regret.

tee, hee.

[RandomGuy]

Ol Joe is doing great

Gloomy landscape for Democrats in midterms as Biden's approval drops to 38% in USA TODAY/Suffolk poll
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/07/biden-approval-falls-38-midterms-loom-usa-today-suffolk-poll/6320098001/

Disapproval at 59%. Worse insurrectionist Trump's disapproval :lol

but thanks to dems for passing the Trump highway bill :tu. I'm looking forward to my rural roads getting chip sealed again. It really pisses off the douchebag cyclists that come out here to ride.

Democrats:
Human caused climate change is real

Republicans:
you can't trust science.

[SnakeBoy]

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[Winehole23]

Warmest December in 125 years in Texas.

Maybe it's soot or solar forcing.

[boutons_deux]

USA is biggest exporter of water

Water exported as agricultural products

then water wasted on crops to produce ethanol

fucking failed country

[koriwhat]

fucking failed country

GTFO already!

[MannyIsGod]

Good to see there's still deniers here. Would hate for people to stop being clueless.

[pgardn]

The basic forecast for our changing climate is drastic shifts. Very High temps and low temps.
But the AVERAGE is up.
For some reason red team members, especially M&Ms dont get this. So these harsh extended lows during a period when the AVG goes up totally confounds Trumpsters. And then they will point to harsh lows at some prior date lasting longer and use that point to throw the whole affair in the bin.

[SnakeBoy]

100 million in path of winter storm that's blasting central US with snow, sleet, freezing rain
https://news.yahoo.com/100-million-path-winter-storm-152735307.html

lol global warming

[Winehole23]

100 million in path of winter storm that's blasting central US with snow, sleet, freezing rain
https://news.yahoo.com/100-million-path-winter-storm-152735307.html

lol global warmingYou should read up on the jet stream and the polar vortex, the correlation between unusual polar blasts and climate change isn't as outlandish as might think.

[benefactor]

People still think global warming has to do with warmer winters?:lol

[spurraider21]

heh, they say there's global warming, but we still got some snow this year

checkmate atheists

[pgardn]

The basic forecast for our changing climate is drastic shifts. Very High temps and low temps.
But the AVERAGE is up.
For some reason red team members, especially M&Ms dont get this. So these harsh extended lows during a period when the AVG goes up totally confounds Trumpsters. And then they will point to harsh lows at some prior date lasting longer and use that point to throw the whole affair in the bin.


100 million in path of winter storm that's blasting central US with snow, sleet, freezing rain
https://news.yahoo.com/100-million-path-winter-storm-152735307.html

lol global warming

Bingo.
Snake wins.

[Winehole23]

Scientists analysed sea surface temperatures over the last 150 years, which have risen because of global heating. They found that extreme temperatures occurring just 2% of the time a century ago have occurred at least 50% of the time across the global ocean since 2014.


In some hotspots, extreme temperatures occur 90% of the time, severely affecting wildlife. More than 90% of the heat trapped by greenhouse gases is absorbed by the ocean, which plays a critical role in maintaining a stable climate.


“By using this measure of extremes, we’ve shown that climate change is not something that is uncertain and may happen in the distant future – it’s something that is a historical fact and has occurred already,” said Kyle Van Houtan, at the Monterey Bay Aquarium, US, and one of the research team. “Extreme climate change is here, it’s in the ocean
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/01/extreme-heat-oceans-passed-point-of-no-return-high-temperatures-wildlife-seas

[Winehole23]

The proportion of the ocean experiencing extreme heat in some large ecosystems is now 80%-90%, with the five worst affected including areas off the north-east coasts of the US and Canada, off Somalia and Indonesia, and in the Norwegian Sea.


“You should care about turtles, seabirds and whales, but even if you don’t, the two most lucrative fisheries in the US, lobster and scallops, are in those exact spots,” said Van Houtan, while 14 fisheries in Alaska have recently been declared federal disasters (https://www.ktoo.org/2022/01/25/federal-disasters-declared-for-14-alaska-fisheries/#:~:text=The%20disaster%20declarations%20include%2 0the,in%20the%20summer%20of%202021.).

[SnakeBoy]

The West’s Green Delusions Empowered Putin
While we banned plastic straws, Russia drilled and doubled nuclear energy production.
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-wests-green-delusions-empowered?utm_source=url&s=r

[boutons_deux]

Let's say all GHG emission for the empire planet stopped tomorrow at noon

There would be no improvement in AGW

Because the GHG already in the atmosphere will be up there for dozens to hundreds of years

The planet is fucked and unfuckable

[RandomGuy]

100 million in path of winter storm that's blasting central US with snow, sleet, freezing rain
https://news.yahoo.com/100-million-path-winter-storm-152735307.html

lol global warming

:lol denier

[RandomGuy]

People still think global warming has to do with warmer winters?:lol

averages, how do they work? asking for a friend. :lol

[RandomGuy]

People still think global warming has to do with warmer winters?:lol

averages, how do they work? asking for a friend. :lol

[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

God Will Help Us Fix Climate Change, so 'Drill Baby Drill,' West Virginia Governor Says

Jim Justice says we don't need to stop burning fossil fuels,

because God will give us time to deal with climate change later.

https://gizmodo.com/god-will-help-us-fix-climate-change-so-drill-baby-dril-1848654471


https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275918496_3123777164616825_1930805904422830690_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=WeEMAMxL3G4AX-pW7Vv&tn=E86nKcj2rvRbi0mH&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=00_AT8iEsYobVw1K9WDl40th42yuS-xrjVh03Ghpo4WwnG4Fw&oe=6236397D

[Winehole23]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDdv6Zx_u6sZaJuvZIO-dqu600aPjczkEhow&usqp=CAU


Earth’s poles are undergoing simultaneous freakish extreme heat with parts of Antarctica more than 70 degrees (40 degrees Celsius) warmer than average and areas of the Arctic more than 50 degrees (30 degrees Celsius) warmer than average.


Weather stations in Antarctica shattered records Friday as the region neared autumn. The two-mile high (3,234 meters) Concordia station was at 10 degrees (-12.2 degrees Celsius),which is about 70 degrees warmer than average, while the even higher Vostok station hit a shade above 0 degrees (-17.7 degrees Celsius), beating its all-time record by about 27 degrees (15 degrees Celsius), according to a tweet from extreme weather record tracker Maximiliano Herrera.


The coastal Terra Nova Base was far above freezing at 44.6 degrees (7 degrees Celsius).


It caught officials at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, by surprise because they were paying attention to the Arctic where it was 50 degrees warmer than average and areas around the North Pole were nearing or at the melting point, which is really unusual for mid-March, said center ice scientist Walt Meier.
https://apnews.com/article/climate-science-colorado-arctic-antarctica-eda9ea8704108bdab2480fa2cd4b6e34

[Winehole23]

The Antarctic continent as a whole on Friday was about 8.6 degrees (4.8 degrees Celsius) warmer than a baseline temperature between 1979 and 2000, according to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer, based on U.S. National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration weather models. That 8-degree heating over an already warmed-up average is unusual, think of it as if the entire United States was 8 degrees hotter than normal, Meier said.


At the same time, on Friday the Arctic as a whole was 6 degrees (3.3 degrees) warmer than the 1979 to 2000 average.


By comparison, the world as a whole was only 1.1 degrees (0.6 degrees Celsius) above the 1979 to 2000 average.

[RandomGuy]

Good to see there's still deniers here. Would hate for people to stop being clueless.

:lol DarrinS in 2010 = there isn't any warming

[DMC]

So instead of 69 today it would be 77. Oh the humanity.

[RandomGuy]

So instead of 69 today it would be 77. Oh the humanity.

:lol "the right doesn't deny science, the left does"

(slow clap)

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOx7QcbWUAMspWv?format=jpg&name=small

[RandomGuy]

So instead of 69 today it would be 77. Oh the humanity.

Strawman harder. smh

[RandomGuy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOx7QcbWUAMspWv?format=jpg&name=small

Saw that. Massive temperature spike at BOTH poles at once. WOW.

Denier brigade gonna have to work harder.

[DMC]

Massive consumers bitching about the effects of consumerism :lol

[ChumpDumper]

DMC only speaking about other men here.

Watch....

[Ef-man]

DMC only speaking about other men here.

Watch....

Plus he is not providing lucky numbers. SMDH.

[spurraider21]

Massive consumers bitching about the effects of consumerism :lol
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/036/647/Screen_Shot_2021-03-01_at_2.28.39_PM.jpg

[DMC]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/036/647/Screen_Shot_2021-03-01_at_2.28.39_PM.jpg

Obligatory and predictable copycat meme poster posts obligatory copycat meme.

[Winehole23]

Obligatory and predictable copycat meme poster posts obligatory copycat meme.accurate representation, tbh

[spurraider21]

Obligatory and predictable copycat meme poster posts obligatory copycat meme.
dont need to change the response to the same stupid point you keep making over and over again

[DMC]

dont need to change the response to the same stupid point you keep making over and over again

Good thing for you, I'm not sure you can do anything on your own.

[DMC]

accurate representation, tbh

Only if you're an idiot. Everyone is a part of society as they have no choice. Are you saying you have no choice but to be a massive consumer?

[spurraider21]

Good thing for you, I'm not sure you can do anything on your own.
yeah good for me you're not clever.

in a week you'll be smirking about how libs here dont have houses fully powered by solar panels and therefore hypocrites for advocating for green energy. and then the same meme will be applicable because you insist in repeating your stupidity

[DMC]

yeah good for me you're not clever.

in a week you'll be smirking about how libs here dont have houses fully powered by solar panels and therefore hypocrites for advocating for green energy. and then the same meme will be applicable because you insist in repeating your stupidity

Another idiot who doesn't know the difference between bitching and advocating.
Example:
Person A supports EVs but doesn't own one.
Person B bitches about EVs but buys them.

Person A doesn't self-contradict by not having purchased an EV even though he supports them.
Person B self-contradicts by continuing to purchase EVs even though he bitches about them.

The massive consumers here are in the B category, like you.. poster B.

[spurraider21]

Another idiot who doesn't know the difference between bitching and advocating.
Example:
Person A supports EVs but doesn't own one.
Person B bitches about EVs but buys them.

Person A doesn't self-contradict by not having purchased an EV even though he supports them.
Person B self-contradicts by continuing to purchase EVs even though he bitches about them.

The massive consumers here are in the B category, like you.. poster B.
no not really. markets/prices/budgets dictate a lot of that

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Another idiot who doesn't know the difference between bitching and advocating.
Example:
Person A supports EVs but doesn't own one.
Person B bitches about EVs but buys them.

Person A doesn't self-contradict by not having purchased an EV even though he supports them.
Person B self-contradicts by continuing to purchase EVs even though he bitches about them.

The massive consumers here are in the B category, like you.. poster B.

What puritanical nonsense.

[Winehole23]

A grey rhino is a disaster everyone sees coming and does nothing to avert.


The IPCC working group 3 report found:


Coal must be effectively phased out if the world is to stay within 1.5C, and currently planned new fossil fuel infrastructure would cause the world to exceed 1.5C.
Methane emissions must be reduced by a third.
Growing forests and preserving soils will be necessary, but tree-planting cannot do enough to compensate for continued emissions for fossil fuels.
Investment in the shift to a low-carbon world is about six times lower than it needs to be.
All sectors of the global economy, from energy and transport to buildings and food, must change dramatically and rapidly, and new technologies including hydrogen fuel and carbon capture and storage will be needed.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/04/ipcc-report-now-or-never-if-world-stave-off-climate-disaster

[boutons_deux]

halting GHG emissions planet-wide today would do nothing to halt the climate AGW catastrophe

"direct air capture" DAC is the only solution that makes halting GHG emissions worthwhile

[DMC]

What puritanical nonsense.
No one asked you, faggot.

[DMC]

no not really. markets/prices/budgets dictate a lot of that

So being a massive consumer is a necessity? Or are you just being the twat you've always been?

[spurraider21]

So being a massive consumer is a necessity? Or are you just being the twat you've always been?
the part i bolded did not include "massive consumer"

and what is your definition of massive consumer? how many vehicles do i have to buy to become a massive consumer?

[Ef-man]

See below for a good example of a "massive consumer."

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/DMCHand_zps86eecc97.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No one asked you, faggot.

Puritanical and comically self important now. Keep up the good work.

Your dumbed down version of two categories that encompass us all so you can claim moral superiority was riveting work as well.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So being a massive consumer is a necessity? Or are you just being the twat you've always been?

You made a logical construct. He is asking you to define your terms and you come with this shit. smh

You're the twat claiming moral superiority that cannot define your own nonsense.

[Winehole23]

lol so crabby

[SnakeBoy]

the part i bolded did not include "massive consumer"

and what is your definition of massive consumer? how many vehicles do i have to buy to become a massive consumer?

1

If you live an average life in America you are a massive consumer

[DMC]

You made a logical construct. He is asking you to define your terms and you come with this shit. smh

You're the twat claiming moral superiority that cannot define your own nonsense.

And like always I didn't ask for your faggot opinion.

[DMC]

Puritanical and comically self important now. Keep up the good work.

Your dumbed down version of two categories that encompass us all so you can claim moral superiority was riveting work as well.

Keep auto-fellating, it's fascinating.

[DMC]

the part i bolded did not include "massive consumer"

and what is your definition of massive consumer? how many vehicles do i have to buy to become a massive consumer?

Because everything here is about you. The part you bolded didn't have your name it it.

It's interesting though that you want to distance yourself from being a massive consumer even though you provided an escape hatch in the form of purposely obtuse nonsense about markets.

Your misdirection indicates you're afraid of simply admitting that bitching about shit you're causing is different than being in favor of something you don't currently invest in. That's what happens when you lazily throw out a copycat meme without considering context.

[spurraider21]

Because everything here is about you. The part you bolded didn't have your name it it.
:lmao ?

i responded to a select portion of your comment. If you are going to respond, it makes sense to pay attention to what i was addressing. This is how conversations work


It's interesting though that you want to distance yourself from being a massive consumer even though you provided an escape hatch in the form of purposely obtuse nonsense about markets.

Your misdirection indicates you're afraid of simply admitting that bitching about shit you're causing is different than being in favor of something you don't currently invest in. That's what happens when you lazily throw out a copycat meme without considering context.
I’m not distancing myself from anything. It just seems like a loaded term and I’m asking you to define it. Instead of simply doing so you went on a stupid rant

[ChumpDumper]

DMC is not well.

[DMC]

:lmao ?

i responded to a select portion of your comment. If you are going to respond, it makes sense to pay attention to what i was addressing. This is how conversations work


Maybe in your world of creative lying, but in an actual adult conversation you don't get to select a portion of a comment and derail the topic by making it about you. Well, maybe if you're a diva.


I’m not distancing myself from anything. It just seems like a loaded term and I’m asking you to define it. Instead of simply doing so you went on a stupid rant
bullshit. "nuh uh, not me, I'm not a massive consumer, you must be talking about someone else". :lol

I don't dance for you, clown. If you don't understand consumerism use Google.

Just own it, you once again relied on someone else's shtick to lob a lazy meme for likes and you fell on your ass, again.

[ChumpDumper]

You dance for us in every post DMC. If you didn't post about us personally, you wouldn't post at all.

:lol "ignore"

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Keep auto-fellating, it's fascinating.

Is this supposed to draw my ire?

I know you are going to try the moral categorization argument again at some point because logical consistency is not your strong suit. just know that when you go on repeat that we all know it to be stupidity that you cannot defend sans ad hominem.

[spurraider21]

Maybe in your world of creative lying, but in an actual adult conversation you don't get to select a portion of a comment and derail the topic by making it about you. Well, maybe if you're a diva.

bullshit. "nuh uh, not me, I'm not a massive consumer, you must be talking about someone else". :lol

I don't dance for you, clown. If you don't understand consumerism use Google.

Just own it, you once again relied on someone else's shtick to lob a lazy meme for likes and you fell on your ass, again.
What is a massive consumer?

[Winehole23]

degrowth is already a minor theme, how can economic expansion be infinite in principle on a planet with finite resources?

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[Winehole23]

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[spurraider21]

BUT WERE THERE SUV's MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS HOT?

[SnakeBoy]

New Zealand considers taxing cow and sheep burps to combat climate change
https://news.yahoo.com/new-zealand-considers-taxing-cow-and-sheep-burps-to-combat-climate-change-184504518.html

New Zealand's burp tax would take effect in 2025, and it would also provide farmers with subsidies to switch their livestock to a special diet that avoids creating greenhouse gases, such as feeding them seaweed instead of grass or grain, or to offset the emissions by planting trees. The country will also pour money into research that could advance other technological fixes, such as outfitting animals with masks that capture their emissions, or selectively breeding cows that burp less.

[pgardn]

New Zealand considers taxing cow and sheep burps to combat climate change
https://news.yahoo.com/new-zealand-considers-taxing-cow-and-sheep-burps-to-combat-climate-change-184504518.html

New Zealand's burp tax would take effect in 2025, and it would also provide farmers with subsidies to switch their livestock to a special diet that avoids creating greenhouse gases, such as feeding them seaweed instead of grass or grain, or to offset the emissions by planting trees. The country will also pour money into research that could advance other technological fixes, such as outfitting animals with masks that capture their emissions, or selectively breeding cows that burp less.

NPR did a story on Eritea scientists feeding cattle sea weed mixed in with their ordinary feed and the methane reducing has been retested by other groups to be about 92% less methane. They apparently accidentally stumbled upon this seaweed lying on top of methane natural seepage and reducing it. These people tried it in cattle feed and it worked. Now the process of going through the taste of the meat, any protein-fat alterations etc...

Things are usually not quite this straightforward.
This being said, I dont see Texas using this anytime soon just because; even if it is actually cheap, works, produces good meat.
Anyways. Good stuff. They are working on the chemistry of what exactly is going on. Its neat it got past basic research.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/20/1099945356/ermias-kebreab-what-do-seaweed-and-cow-burps-have-to-do-with-climate-change

[pgardn]

What is a massive consumer?

A blue whale.

[Winehole23]

heat kills


Excessive heat causes more weather-related deaths in the United States than hurricanes, flooding and tornadoes combined.https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-science/sweltering-streets-hundreds-of-homeless-die-in-extreme-heat/

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWXtAqxWYA8vBba?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a40433989/increased-spaceflight-will-hurt-the-ozone-layer/

[Winehole23]

If accurate, might partly explain SCOTUS's haste to do the bidding of fossil fuel companies.

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[Thread]

If accurate, might partly explain SCOTUS's haste to do the bidding of fossil fuel companies.



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Trump President.
Not Clinton.
DID THAT!!!

[Winehole23]

...and it worked

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[boutons_deux]

Scots team’s research finds Atlantic plankton all but wiped out in catastrophic loss of life

research team fears plankton, the tiny organisms that sustain life in our seas, has all but been wiped out after spending two years collecting water samples from the Atlantic.

blames chemical pollution from plastics, farm fertilisers and pharmaceuticals in the water.

Previously, it was thought the amount of plankton had halved since the 1940s, but the evidence gathered by the Scots suggest 90% has now vanished.

The scientists warn there are only a few years left before the consequences become catastrophically clear when fish, whales and dolphins become extinct,

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/humanity-will-not-survive-extinction-of-most-marine-plants-and-animals/

When phyto and zoo plankton, the bottom of the food chain, disappear or just greatly diminished, the entire oceanic food chain will collapse.

If Biden declares a National Emergency, BigFossil, rightwing hate media, Repugs will sue, before a Trash judge or court like the 5th fucking Circuit, of course, to block all of it.

[CosmicCowboy]

That seems counter intuitive in that plankton convert sunlight through photosynthesis to glucose just like plants (I know, I left out a couple of steps but dumbed it down for Spurstalk) so it seems like fertilizer would be helpful in the process.

[Winehole23]

That seems counter intuitive in that plankton convert sunlight through photosynthesis to glucose just like plants (I know, I left out a couple of steps but dumbed it down for Spurstalk) so it seems like fertilizer would be helpful in the process.The story itself is fertilizer, where's the report?

[CosmicCowboy]

The story itself is fertilizer, where's the report?

I know algae loves fertilizer. You would think plankton would. Not arguing, just that it seemed counter intuitive.

[CosmicCowboy]

Question...since the plankton are now threatened should we start killing whales again since they eat plankton by the billions?

[Winehole23]

I know algae loves fertilizer. You would think plankton would. Not arguing, just that it seemed counter intuitive.hmm, not sure I follow you there. regardless, the "report" appears to be an extreme outlier with weak data. several takedowns can be found in the thread below.

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[boutons_deux]

Ocean Discoveries Are Revising Long-Held Truths about Life

New findings show that the ocean is much more intertwined with our lives than we ever imagined



https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ocean-discoveries-are-revising-long-held-truths-about-life/

[SnakeBoy]

World - Beware of bad science reporting: No, we haven’t killed 90% of all plankton
https://www.coastalnewstoday.com/post/world-beware-of-bad-science-reporting-no-we-havent-killed-90-of-all-plankton

[monosylab1k]

Ocean Discoveries Are Revising Long-Held Truths about Life

New findings show that the ocean is much more intertwined with our lives than we ever imagined



https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ocean-discoveries-are-revising-long-held-truths-about-life/



You have to go out of your way to post an unclickable link :lol you’re seriously the worst.

[Winehole23]

Some studies suggest up to 8 million people die annually from air pollution

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/c-change/news/fossil-fuel-air-pollution-responsible-for-1-in-5-deaths-worldwide/


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYbYpzNWYAAOoqF?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/environment/build-back-better-joe-manchin.html

[boutons_deux]

Manchin Reconciliation Deal Fails to Truly Address Climate Change and

Locks in Fossil Fuel Use

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2022/07/27/manchin-reconciliation-deal-fails-truly-address-climate-change-and-locks-fossil

fuck the Constitution

[Winehole23]

woke reinsurance companies


Today, Munich Re, the world’s largest reinsurer, has taken a major step away from oil and gas. Munich Re has committed (https://www.munichre.com/en/company/media-relations/statements/2022/new-oil-and-gas-investment-underwriting-guidelines.html) that as of 1 April 2023 it will no longer invest in or insure contracts/projects exclusively covering the planning, financing, construction or operation of new oil and gas fields, new midstream oil infrastructure and new oil fired power plants.


Munich Re’s policy follows a commitment last week by its syndicate in Lloyd’s of London market to stop underwriting all traditional oil and gas business by January 1, 2023.
https://global.insure-our-future.com/worlds-largest-reinsurer-announces-major-new-oil-and-gas-policy/

[Winehole23]

quite the mystery

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[Winehole23]

Great thread on this

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[spurraider21]

merchants of doubt all over again

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[Blake]

merchants of doubt all over again

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Smh I've seen a couple of docs on Netflix showing those old 1950s black and white news reels with studies about the global warming showing those trends

[boutons_deux]

You have to go out of your way to post an unclickable link :lol you’re seriously the worst.

you dumb mother f*****, you cannot follow a legitimate link?

You are seriously a stupid fuck

[Winehole23]

Europe has a similar trick, biomass energy plants burn firewood.

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[boutons_deux]

Exxon Got Rich, We Got Played

For decades, Exxon has been

hiding the truth (https://www.commondreams.org/news/exxon-global-warming-projections) about the climate crisis, burying their own scientific reports.

From 1970 to 2003, the oil company ran studies that accurately predicted the disastrous consequences of continuing to burn fossil fuels.
They modeled out the alarming reality of the disasters we are living in.

They knew that continuing to burn oil would lead to the forest fires that burnt my friend’s house to the ground,

the floods that destroyed the coastal California city I lived in, and

the drought that threatens the water supply of the high-altitude desert where I worked for 10 years.

they lied … and lied … and lied.

All this time has been wasted, 30 years when they could have been putting their skills and strengths to work solving the problem.

Exxon keeps raking in the profits (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/28/historic-exxon-chevron-profits-signal-all-out-war-american-consumers) as it imperils us all.

we now also have to pay to clean up the oil companies’ mess.

Environmental disasters cost us billions (https://www.commondreams.org/news/christian-aid-climate-disasters) of dollars this year alone.

We’re paying for it,

either directly as we help friends rebuild their homes or find shelter,

or indirectly through taxes, high prices, economic upheavals, and insurance rate hikes.

Exxon got rich. We got played.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/01/25/exxon-got-rich-we-got-played/

Repugs, eg TX and FL of course, punish anybody who does business with ESG policies.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmVLpfunzE

[spurraider21]

oh i mean if john stossel says so

but its super convincing because they share clips of annoying teenagers doing stupid things. therefore all the scientists are wrong.

[pgardn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmVLpfunzE

The red team used to like to try to save money by looking closely at long term problems that costs trillions of dollars and try to solve them.
The true red team (not RHINOs) now thinks... they dont think... especially about future generations.

[ElNono]

oh i mean if john stossel says so

but its super convincing because they share clips of annoying teenagers doing stupid things. therefore all the scientists are wrong.

Cool story. You don't like in the da zip code.

[DarrinS]

oh i mean if john stossel says so

but its super convincing because they share clips of annoying teenagers doing stupid things. therefore all the scientists are wrong.


The red team used to like to try to save money by looking closely at long term problems that costs trillions of dollars and try to solve them.
The true red team (not RHINOs) now thinks... they dont think... especially about future generations.


Cool story. You don't like in the da zip code.



Why I rarely post anymore

[Ef-man]

Muh beer/liquor!!!! :wow

Inflation has afflicted beer makers with the increased cost of ingredients and shipping, just as consumers have been hit with higher gas and grocery prices.

So, beer producers have raised prices. The price of beer purchased to drink at home had risen about 7.7% as of November 2022, compared to November 2021, according to the Labor Department’s consumer price index. That's higher than whiskey (1.7%), wine (3%), and other spirits (1.7%).

[DarrinS]

Muh beer/liquor!!!! :wow

Inflation has afflicted beer makers with the increased cost of ingredients and shipping, just as consumers have been hit with higher gas and grocery prices.

So, beer producers have raised prices. The price of beer purchased to drink at home had risen about 7.7% as of November 2022, compared to November 2021, according to the Labor Department’s consumer price index. That's higher than whiskey (1.7%), wine (3%), and other spirits (1.7%).


Merp

[baseline bum]

Why I rarely post anymore

Because you get shit on for your ignorance?

[spurraider21]

Why I rarely post anymore
If your rebuttal to scientific consensus is a John stossel tweet making fun of annoying teenagers then maybe you should stop posting

[boutons_deux]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmVLpfunzE

The degradation is well under way and will accelerate

[ElNono]

Why I rarely post anymore

If only you would make good on that, tbh...

[boutons_deux]

Worst impacts of sea level rise will hit earlier than expected

Current models of sea level rise suggest the most widespread impacts will occur after sea level has risen by several meters.

But a new study finds the biggest increases in inundation will occur after the first 2 meters (6.6 feet) of sea level rise,

covering more than twice as much land as older elevation models predicted.

https://phys.org/news/2023-01-worst-impacts-sea-earlier.html

BigFossil's planetary gas chamber exterminating life, human, animal, vegetal

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnXXKZWWAAEUvhL?format=jpg&name=small

it's reportedly the size of London

1618190692551110657

[DarrinS]

"A 600-square-mile iceberg broke away from an ice shelf, but scientists say the event is not related to climate change"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/01/24/antarctica-brunt-ice-shelf-calving/

[Ef-man]

Also from same article.


Unlike some previous icebergs and collapsed ice shelves that have been linked to climate change, the BAS press release said the break is a “natural process” and there is “no evidence that climate change has played a significant role.”

[Winehole23]

Got me there, but where else am I supposed to file it?

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr7tFcvaAAAR7t0?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-environ-012220-011104#_i27

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsCZdaLaIAAbl6_?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvKHVR_WAAEW_3Y?format=png&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr_ZJNrXsAYtK5-?format=jpg&name=medium



While global supply is expected to jump 26% to 38.5 million tonnes annually by 2035, it will likely fall 1.7% short of demand, even with increased recycling, according to data released this week by the International Copper Association (ICA), an industry trade group.


"There is no way for the world to meet the terms of the Paris climate agreement if we don't have an increase in the supply of copper and other metals," Joshua Meyer of mining equipment maker FLSmidth (FLS.CO) (https://www.reuters.com/companies/FLS.CO), referring to the climate accord that aims to limit greenhouse gas emissions by keeping the global temperature rise "well below" 2.0 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) this century.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/copper-industry-warns-looming-supply-gap-without-more-mines-2023-04-20/

[spurraider21]

1658880798336876546

[Winehole23]

1658880798336876546Absolutely great news if the trend holds, but the conclusion seems a bit pat. Noah Smith is liable to sweeping, galaxy-brained pronunciamentos.

[spurraider21]

Absolutely great news if the trend holds, but the conclusion seems a bit pat. Noah Smith is liable to sweeping, galaxy-brained pronunciamentos.
yeah. i find he's worth a follow, but he's always just so overly confident in every opinion he has, so taken with a grain of salt.

like sure, i have opinions on most subjects, but im not going to defend all of them to the death. i have my areas that i know better than others. smith doesnt seem to recognize any such limitations

[SnakeBoy]

1658880798336876546

Cool Nimbyism

I do agree that Greta's degrowth ideology is unnecessary even though she is correct that endless global growth is a fantasy. It just doesn't make sense to prematurely end the most peaceful prosperous time in human history because a future generation won't get to enjoy the same peaceful prosperous times.

[spurraider21]

Cool Nimbyism

I do agree that Greta's degrowth ideology is unnecessary even though she is correct that endless global growth is a fantasy. It just doesn't make sense to prematurely end the most peaceful prosperous time in human history because a future generation won't get to enjoy the same peaceful prosperous times.
what does this have to do with nimbyism?

[SnakeBoy]

what does this have to do with nimbyism?

It's selectively comparing emissions to gdp growth over the period of globalization. When the countries ignored get our good air, their bad air got to move.

[ChumpDumper]

Cool Nimbyism

I do agree that Greta's degrowth ideology is unnecessary even though she is correct that endless global growth is a fantasy. It just doesn't make sense to prematurely end the most peaceful prosperous time in human history because a future generation won't get to enjoy the same peaceful prosperous times.It already ended prematurely 40 years ago.

[SnakeBoy]

It already ended prematurely 40 years ago.

The most peaceful prosperous time in human history ended in 1983? Interesting take. When did it start exactly?

[ChumpDumper]

Ended closer to 80. Started after WWII. There's more wealth overall now but concentrated among fewer people. This isn't rocket science.

[spurraider21]

It's selectively comparing emissions to gdp growth over the period of globalization. When the countries ignored get our good air, their bad air got to move.
im not sure you know what NIMBYism is

[ChumpDumper]

im not sure you know what NIMBYism isWindBYism

[pgardn]

It's selectively comparing emissions to gdp growth over the period of globalization. When the countries ignored get our good air, their bad air got to move.

The air is shared.

It gives us an idea who cares.

This rhymes…

[SnakeBoy]

im not sure you know what NIMBYism is

im not sure you realize you've created a "yard" of a dozen nations

[SnakeBoy]

Ended closer to 80. Started after WWII. There's more wealth overall now but concentrated among fewer people. This isn't rocket science.

Ah so the cold war was the most peaceful prosperous time in human history? Not sure I can agree with you on that. I do agree with you that a multipolar world is better for most people, well probably not most people but most Muricans at least. Fortunately, we're on the road to a multipolar world once again.

[pgardn]

im not sure you realize you've created a "yard" of a dozen nations

China and India are a mess.
We know this. You don’t want a view of nations who understand the future and can do something about it.
We know it’s going to the major contributors.

[pgardn]

Ah so the cold war was the most peaceful prosperous time in human history? Not sure I can agree with you on that. I do agree with you that a multipolar world is better for most people, well probably not most people but most Muricans at least. Fortunately, we're on the road to a multipolar world once again.

Multipolar used to make sure we count the horridly repressive part because that’s good for most people?
Thats completel BS. You can make an argument that the US and some Western European countries have been horrible with colonizing and starting wars. But don’t dare act like Russia, China, Iran and North Korea as another “balancing” pole is a good thing. That’s pure Bullshit.

[SnakeBoy]

Multipolar used to make sure we count the horridly repressive part because that’s good for most people?
Thats completel BS. You can make an argument that the US and some Western European countries have been horrible with colonizing and starting wars. But don’t dare act like Russia, China, Iran and North Korea as another “balancing” pole is a good thing. That’s pure Bullshit.

Tell it to Chump, he's the one who thinks it was the best of times for all humans.

[SnakeBoy]

China and India are a mess.
We know this. You don’t want a view of nations who understand the future and can do something about it.
We know it’s going to the major contributors.

The GDP growth cited is due to the countries that are "a mess". Ignoring that fact while comparing gdp growth to emissions in selected countries is what I would call NIMBYism. What would you call it?

There is nothing to be done about it except kick the can down the road. Limits to growth is real...eventually. There's just no reason to do anything about it now, future generations can deal with it when they have no choice. Until then we should all be grateful we were Blessed to be born at the right time, and consume.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's gone from "it doesn't exist don't regulate my oilco overlords" to "other countries are worse at emissions than we are so don't regulate my oilco overlords."

[pgardn]

The GDP growth cited is due to the countries that are "a mess". Ignoring that fact while comparing gdp growth to emissions in selected countries is what I would call NIMBYism. What would you call it?

There is nothing to be done about it except kick the can down the road. Limits to growth is real...eventually. There's just no reason to do anything about it now, future generations can deal with it when they have no choice. Until then we should all be grateful we were Blessed to be born at the right time, and consume.

So boomer…

[ElNono]

The GDP growth cited is due to the countries that are "a mess". Ignoring that fact while comparing gdp growth to emissions in selected countries is what I would call NIMBYism. What would you call it?

Cherry picking? What does Not In My Back Yard has to do with that?

[ElNono]

Fortunately, we're on the road to a multipolar world once again.

What are the other poles?

[ChumpDumper]

Ah so the cold war was the most peaceful prosperous time in human history? Not sure I can agree with you on that.For the US and its fully recognized US citizens it absolutely was. Don't act you care beyond that.

[spurraider21]

Cherry picking? What does Not In My Back Yard has to do with that?
he doesnt know what nimby means

[SnakeBoy]

For the US and its fully recognized US citizens it absolutely was. Don't act you care beyond that.

So you were talking only about white male Americans when you said those were the good ole days. Got it.

[ChumpDumper]

So you were talking only about white male Americans when you said those were the good ole days. Got it.

No. You're really bad at this.

But you've resigned the rest of your and everyone else's lives away. Understandable that all you can do is troll. Got it.

[SnakeBoy]

he doesnt know what nimby means

I already said why it's nimbyism. If you want to call it something else feel free.

Funny for all of the times you've cried about having a real conversation, you final bring up the interesting topic of Limits to growth vs endless growth theory and then refuse to address it beyond your original post. I've never seen anyone who can rationally defend the endless growth viewpoint that you subscribe to.

[SnakeBoy]

No. You're really bad at this.

But you've resigned the rest of your and everyone else's lives away. Understandable that all you can do is troll. Got it.

Oh my bad. So you think the 50's, 60's and 70's were the good ole days for all Americans. How would you propose Making America Great Again?

[spurraider21]

I already said why it's nimbyism. If you want to call it something else feel free.

Funny for all of the times you've cried about having a real conversation, you final bring up the interesting topic of Limits to growth vs endless growth theory and then refuse to address it beyond your original post. I've never seen anyone who can rationally defend the endless growth viewpoint that you subscribe to.
the point what of what i posted is that moving away from fossil fuels doesnt mean you necessarily have to tank your economy.

sure, there are some poorer countries who dont have the infrastructure or capital (yet) to move on to different forms of energy, but it just a generally positive sign.

i dont know if endless growth is a viable thing or not, but its cool to know that it doesnt appear to be dependent on oil production and consumption

your calling it nimbyism or whatever to look at certain countries was just odd because it had nothing to do with nimbyism

[ChumpDumper]

Oh my bad. So you think the 50's, 60's and 70's were the good ole days for all Americans.No.

Your bad.

[SnakeBoy]

the point what of what i posted is that moving away from fossil fuels doesnt mean you necessarily have to tank your economy.

sure, there are some poorer countries who dont have the infrastructure or capital (yet) to move on to different forms of energy, but it just a generally positive sign.

i dont know if endless growth is a viable thing or not, but its cool to know that it doesnt appear to be dependent on oil production and consumption

your calling it nimbyism or whatever to look at certain countries was just odd because it had nothing to do with nimbyism

The point of the tweet you posted was about the degrowth movement which is rooted in the idea of limits to growth. So if you disagree with the degrowth movement and don't believe endless growth is viable then you agree with me, kick the can down the road for a future generation to worry about. Btw, the degrowth movement isn't solely about fossil fuel and energy sources. It's about the fact that our modern capitalist economic system is destined to collapse because endless growth is a fantasy. Like I said they are correct...eventually.

And the economies of those countries grew because of globalization which has off loaded pollution/emissions to countries not included on your list. I'm still calling that nimbyism unless you have a better term. Also the reduction in emissions is primarily due to switching from coal to natural gas, it's not from a reduction in oil production and consumption. It's not like those countries electrified their transportation sector starting 30 years ago.

[SnakeBoy]

No.

Your bad.

So you think the 50's,60's, and 70's were the most peaceful prosperous time in America for some Americans but not others. Got it.

How would you propose Making America Great Again?

[spurraider21]

The point of the tweet you posted was about the degrowth movement which is rooted in the idea of limits to growth. So if you disagree with the degrowth movement and don't believe endless growth is viable then you agree with me, kick the can down the road for a future generation to worry about. Btw, the degrowth movement isn't solely about fossil fuel and energy sources. It's about the fact that our modern capitalist economic system is destined to collapse because endless growth is a fantasy. Like I said they are correct...eventually.

And the economies of those countries grew because of globalization which has off loaded pollution/emissions to countries not included on your list. I'm still calling that nimbyism unless you have a better term. Also the reduction in emissions is primarily due to switching from coal to natural gas, it's not from a reduction in oil production and consumption. It's not like those countries electrified their transportation sector starting 30 years ago.
frankly, i dont know if there is a limit to growth in the grand scheme of things. but there were a lot of "degrowth" components to climate change... ie it is so important to combat climate change that it is, in fact, worth hurting the global economy (even to the point of triggering degrowth) to accomplish those goals. it doesnt seem that this is an inevitability, because we can shift our energy away from oil without tanking economies

[ChumpDumper]

So you think the 50's,60's, and 70's were the most peaceful prosperous time in America for some Americans but not others. Got it.
Getting closer.

How would you propose Making America Great Again?Reopen all the doors you decided to shut in the late 70s and early 80s because nonwhites were being allowed through.

Got it?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would take the 1950s corporate regulatory regime over this shit we have now. Corporate "speech" is a significant impediment to our "greatness."

[RandomGuy]

10-11-2010#148
DarrinS

You know what? Fuck it. I don't even care about the "denier" label any more. The AGW ship has been sinking for some time now and its advocates are scurrying around like drowning rats trying to save it. Time and observations will disprove this pseudoscience, just like it disproved other shitty theories from the 1970's.

With all the "overwheming evidence" to support AGW, a sci-fi docudrama by a Nobel-winning ex vice president, and a more than willing mainstream media, you'd think that more than a third of the population would believe that humans cause climate change.

Why is getting harder and harder to sell this ROCK SOLID science?

I post anecdotal evidence to make fun of AGW alarmists, who constantly use anecdotal evidence to support their cause.

That said, there hasn't been statistically significant warming in the last 15 years. Hell, even Phil Jones admits that.


Has the Earth warmed in the past century? Yes.
Is that warmth unprecedented? I don't think so.
Given the hundreds of factors that affect climate, is human-produced CO2 the PRIMARY cause of this warming? I don't think so.


That's a relief. How about 30 years? We only need 15 more years of no statistically significant warming.

---------------------------------------

13 years later:

https://twitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1660045260175855617

https://twitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1660049015818555393

The science has gotten better, the pause that convinced D that this whole global waming thing was fake ended years ago, and the acceleration of warming coupled with CO2 continues.

[SnakeBoy]

Never, since 1982 :lol

El Nino will cool it off

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Never, since 1982 :lol

El Nino will cool it off

You guys took the ocean currents to levels of stupid before. We going back to the idea the Ocean is just going to suck up the energy and poof it goes away like before. That was fun.

[RandomGuy]

Never, since 1982 :lol

El Nino will cool it off

Never what since 1982.

Use your words. jesus, you get lazier by the day.

[SnakeBoy]

You guys took the ocean currents to levels of stupid before. We going back to the idea the Ocean is just going to suck up the energy and poof it goes away like before. That was fun.

La Nina warms the Atlantic
We're just coming out of a triple dip La Nina, caused by the Aussies according to The Experts™
El Nino will cool it off

[SnakeBoy]

Never what since 1982.


Read your own post lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

La Nina warms the Atlantic
We're just coming out of a triple dip La Nina, caused by the Aussies according to The Experts™
El Nino will cool it off

And again you have no idea how thermodynamics work. The reality is that the EN and LN events are getting progressively warmer. LN soaks heat and then it cycles but then it comes back to the surface and doesn't just disappear. The former LN events come back in the form of warmer EN events.

You're an ignoramus.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fz3dwRfX0AQuCoR?format=jpg&name=small

1674737536131006464

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fz3KdXPXgAEyN0f?format=png&name=small

[Winehole23]

~4 standard deviations above normal


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fz3LAf0XoAInZsa?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

sea ice in decline


"To say unprecedented isn't strong enough," Dr Doddridge said.

"For those of you who are interested in statistics, this is a five-sigma event. So it's five standard deviations beyond the mean. Which means that if nothing had changed, we'd expect to see a winter like this about once every 7.5 million years.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-24/antarctic-sea-ice-levels-nosedive-five-sigma-event/102635204

[rogcl1]

This thread fits with The ducks education thread. Why would one even dare to try.

[HemisfairArena]

The stupidity and arrogance of liberals knows no bounds,,,you talk as if you have had the means to judge weather patterns for the last million years,,,lmao. You know what they say about meteorologists, right?,,,its the only job where you can be wrong half of the time and still not get fired. You guys act like you know exactly what is gonna happen with the weather from here on out,,,,what an ego. You cant cure cancer,,,you cant get a human to Mars,,,but by God,,,you know what the weather has done for the last million years and what its gonna do going forward,,,,,lmao.

Just recently the dumbass liberals thought they knew medicine and tried to force people to take an unproven vaccine for covid,,,,lmao.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The stupidity and arrogance of liberals knows no bounds,,,you talk as if you have had the means to judge weather patterns for the last million years,,,lmao. You know what they say about meteorologists, right?,,,its the only job where you can be wrong half of the time and still not get fired. You guys act like you know exactly what is gonna happen with the weather from here on out,,,,what an ego. You cant cure cancer,,,you cant get a human to Mars,,,but by God,,,you know what the weather has done for the last million years and what its gonna do going forward,,,,,lmao.

Just recently the dumbass liberals thought they knew medicine and tried to force people to take an unproven vaccine for covid,,,,lmao.

:lol meltdown

wonder what caused it.

[HemisfairArena]

:lol meltdown

wonder what caused it.

Ice Age,,,Earth rebounded,,,,:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ice Age,,,Earth rebounded,,,,:lol

I was just pointing out how you seemed upset about something. Your ranting nonsense for attention doesn't interest me.

[HemisfairArena]

I was just pointing out how you seemed upset about something. Your ranting nonsense for attention doesn't interest me.

If it doesnt interest you, then why did you respond, fuzz,,,that makes no sense unless you are a stalker. Is that it? I see you stalk Frost all over this board,,,,what gives? If you want attention just say so,,,,,your liberal pals on here will hug it out with ya,,,,

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If it doesnt interest you, then why did you respond, fuzz,,,that makes no sense unless you are a stalker. Is that it? I see you stalk Frost all over this board,,,,what gives? If you want attention just say so,,,,,your liberal pals on here will hug it out with ya,,,,

:lol so you are upset about my treatment of Frost, huh.

[HemisfairArena]

:lol so you are upset about my treatment of Frost, huh.

He lives in your head,,,not mine,,,but if you say so,,,,,

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He lives in your head,,,not mine,,,but if you say so,,,,,

you just criticized me for my treatment of Frost and now you distance from it. not surprising either.

[Ef-man]

I was just pointing out how you seemed upset about something. Your ranting nonsense for attention doesn't interest me.

Yes, he is a lonely boomer, easily shook and ranting nonsense; hoping frost befriends him and is able to give him rides to medical appointments.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, he is a lonely boomer, easily shook and ranting nonsense; hoping frost befriends him and is able to give him rides to medical appointments.

self control is important.

[MannyIsGod]

La Nina warms the Atlantic
We're just coming out of a triple dip La Nina, caused by the Aussies according to The Experts™
El Nino will cool it off

Like once a year I come back here just to read all the bullshit people post. This one made me especially LOL.

Thanks.

[SnakeBoy]

Like once a year I come back here just to read all the bullshit people post. This one made me especially LOL.

Thanks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwOYjC2IzZc&t=8s

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwOYjC2IzZc&t=8s

I didn't click on it. Anyone click on it?

[RandomGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwOYjC2IzZc&t=8s

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2VuzCFawAAXZnX?format=png&name=small

[RandomGuy]

I didn't click on it. Anyone click on it?

It was an interesting discussion, which is odd coming from Sneks.

[Thread]

It was an interesting discussion, which is odd coming from Sneks.

How the fuck would you know anything about "an interesting discussion" you fuckin' mongrel, you?

Your mother is waitin'. Git!

[Winehole23]

Climate change is making some areas uninsurable.


Each state regulates its insurance market, and some limit how much companies can raise rates in a given year. In California, for example, anything more than a 7 percent hike requires a public hearing. According to First Street, such policies have meant premiums don’t always accurately reflect risk, especially as climate change exacerbates natural disasters.

This has led companies such as Allstate, State Farm, Nationwide, and others to pull out (https://grist.org/housing/state-farm-california-insurance-wildfire/) of areas with a high threat of wildfire, floods, and storms. In the Southern California city of San Bernardino, for example, non-renewals jumped 774 percent between 2015 and 2021. When that happens, homeowners often must enroll in a government-run insurance-of-last-resort program where premiums can cost thousands of dollars more per year.

“The report shows that actuarially sound pricing is going to make it unaffordable to live in certain places as climate impacts emerge,” said David Russell, a professor of insurance and finance at California State University Northridge. He did not contribute to the report. “It’s startling and it’s very well documented.”

Russell says that what’s most likely to shock people is the economic toll on affected properties. When insurance costs soar, First Street shows, it severely undermines home values — and in some cases erodes them entirely.

The report found that insurance for the average California home could nearly quadruple if future risk is factored in, with those extra costs causing a roughly 39 percent drop in value. The situation is even worse in Florida and Louisiana, where flood insurance in Plaquemines Parish near New Orleans could go from $824 annually to $11,296 and a property could effectively become worthless.

“There’s no education to the public of what’s going on and where the risk is,” said Porter, explaining that most insurance models are proprietary. Even the Federal Emergency Management Agency doesn’t make its flood insurance pricing available to the public — homeowners must go through insurance brokers for a quote.

First Street is posting its report online (https://report.firststreet.org/insurance-issue), and it also runs riskfactor.com, where anyone can type in an address and receive user-friendly risk information for any property in the U.S. One metric the site provides is annualized damage for flood and wind risk. Porter said that if that number is higher than a homeowner’s current premiums, then a climate risk of some kind probably hasn’t yet been priced into the coverage.

“This would indicate that at some point this risk will get priced into their insurance costs,” he said, “and their cost of home ownership would increase along with that.”
https://flux.community/tik-root/2023/09/report-insurance-companies-may-cancel-up-to-39-million-homeowner-policies-due-to-climate-risks/

[RandomGuy]

Climate change is making some areas uninsurable.

https://flux.community/tik-root/2023/09/report-insurance-companies-may-cancel-up-to-39-million-homeowner-policies-due-to-climate-risks/

US companies don't insure the catastrophic risks in the US. That is generally picked up by foreign insurers, often German or Japanese, or anonymous offshore entities in Bermuda.

The largest exposures get reinsured to other companies that specialize in accepting these kinds of risks. The overall risk is then split up among companies to limit the risk to a company further.

While dipshits like Darrin and Snakeboi want to avoid the science, these companies know that the risk is increasing, and it is there ass on the line. They are pricing accordingly.

The free market knows what is coming, even if the "conservative" suckers don't.

[Winehole23]

much of the derided late 1990s climate change modeling has come up well short of the measurable change. another reason to disbelieve it, I suppose. :lol

https://actuaries.org.uk/media/qeydewmk/the-emperor-s-new-climate-scenarios.pdf

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2WEqSeWkAE2nqo.jpg

[Thread]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2WEqSeWkAE2nqo.jpg

It's a crock-a-shitPERIOD

[Winehole23]

Sounds mild and bureaucratic, but economies don't work without insurance. If reinsurers refuse to back risk in areas threatened by climate change and downstream disasters like wildfires and floods, the burden will fall on countries and it will not be sustainable, economically or politically.

Actuaries do not lie or spin. When they warn the whole globe that the burden of risk will too great for insurance companies, the response should be urgent, because the consequences of doing nothing will not be mocked.

1726542171048661261

[Winehole23]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-21/bis-sees-climate-losses-hitting-governments-as-insurers-exit

[Winehole23]

Sounds mild and bureaucratic, but economies don't work without insurance. If reinsurers refuse to back risk in areas threatened by climate change and downstream disasters like wildfires and floods, the burden will fall on countries and it will not be sustainable, economically or politically.

Actuaries do not lie or spin. When they warn the whole globe that the burden of risk will too great for insurance companies, the response should be urgent, because the consequences of doing nothing will not be mocked.

1726542171048661261The consequences of doing nothing will not be mocked because
natural feedback loops will not be mocked. The atmosphere traps heat, and so does the ocean.

[RandomGuy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2WEqSeWkAE2nqo.jpg

yeah. this is why Darrins grandchildren will hate him.

[Winehole23]

JP Morgan Chase doesn't seem to think climate change is pseudoscience. The associated risks have banks scrambling to protect their capital.


The economic shocks inherent to the current trajectory of global warming may leave banks facing loan losses and impaired balance sheets. The Basel Committee on Banking Supervision has said climate change has the potential to affect “the safety and soundness of banks and the stability of the broader banking system.”

Until recently, banks have mainly focused on what so-called transition risks mean for their underlying business. These risks are tied to changes in asset values and other costs associated with the decarbonization of the global economy.
But as temperatures soar around the world, triggering a deadly cocktail of wildfires, storms and drought, banks are now being forced to pay greater attention to what are known as “physical risks.”

The potential losses from extreme events and long-term changes in weather patterns are becoming more prominent, forcing the financial industry to “sharpen its understanding” of physical risks, said Gianluca Cantalupi, head of climate, nature and social risk at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

And there’s little secret why. Here are just some of the recent calamities: Floods in Pakistan wiped out 2.2% of the country’s gross domestic product in 2022; Canada’s worst wildfire season on record in 2023 took a heavy toll on the local economy; and a crippling drought at the Panama Canal has impaired a waterway that handles $270 billion a year in global trade.

“These events are happening more and more frequently, and so we need to be educated—to be risk-aware,” Cantalupi said. “I need to know the physical risks the bank might face when making lending decisions: Will a semiconductor company face water stress? Will logging in certain provinces cause landslides that destroy factories or other infrastructure?”

To prepare for an increasing number of environmental disasters, JPMorgan has been adding personnel to assess such risks, including Cantalupi, who joined late last year from Credit Suisse. The bank is hiring catastrophe modelers that can estimate the potential impact of severe weather events on JPMorgan’s real estate portfolios.

https://www.business-standard.com/industry/banking/climate-change-s-physical-risks-are-increasingly-catching-up-with-banks-124041901366_1.html

[Winehole23]

JP Morgan and Citibank don't think climate change is pseudoscience, they think it's a risk to their bottom line.


The potential losses from extreme events and long-term changes in weather patterns are becoming more prominent, forcing the financial industry to “sharpen its understanding” of physical risks, said Gianluca Cantalupi, head of climate, nature and social risk at JPMorgan Chase & Co.


And there’s little secret why. Here are just some of the recent calamities: Floods in Pakistan wiped out 2.2% of the country’s gross domestic product in 2022; Canada’s worst wildfire season on record in 2023 took a heavy toll on the local economy; and a crippling drought at the Panama Canal has impaired a waterway that handles $270 billion a year in global trade.


“These events are happening more and more frequently, and so we need to be educated—to be risk-aware,” Cantalupi said. “I need to know the physical risks the bank might face when making lending decisions: Will a semiconductor company face water stress? Will logging in certain provinces cause landslides that destroy factories or other infrastructure?”

To prepare for an increasing number of environmental disasters, JPMorgan has been adding personnel to assess such risks, including Cantalupi, who joined late last year from Credit Suisse. The bank is hiring catastrophe modelers that can estimate the potential impact of severe weather events on JPMorgan’s real estate portfolios.





Citigroup Inc. said last month in its climate report that the physical impacts of climate change can cause a host of other worries, such as credit, liquidity and operational risks. To assess the vulnerability of its credit exposures to climate risks, the bank has introduced what it calls a Climate Risk Heat Map, which shows the business areas with the highest physical risks and transition risks.


According to Citigroup, its $15.8 billion oil and gas production loan book has a transition risk score of 4, the highest, and a physical risk score of 3. The two sectors with the highest physical risk scores are semiconductors and ports.


“It’s become a bigger issue,” especially over the past six months, said Andrew Karp, global head of the sustainable banking solutions group at Bank of America Corp. “There’s a growing worry about rising costs and, in some cases, a reduced availability of insurance and what that says about how climate risk will manifest into financial risks.”
https://www.business-standard.com/industry/banking/climate-change-s-physical-risks-are-increasingly-catching-up-with-banks-124041901366_1.html

[Winehole23]

JP Morgan and Citibank don't think climate change is pseudoscience, they think it's a risk to their bottom line.


The potential losses from extreme events and long-term changes in weather patterns are becoming more prominent, forcing the financial industry to “sharpen its understanding” of physical risks, said Gianluca Cantalupi, head of climate, nature and social risk at JPMorgan Chase & Co.


And there’s little secret why. Here are just some of the recent calamities: Floods in Pakistan wiped out 2.2% of the country’s gross domestic product in 2022; Canada’s worst wildfire season on record in 2023 took a heavy toll on the local economy; and a crippling drought at the Panama Canal has impaired a waterway that handles $270 billion a year in global trade.


“These events are happening more and more frequently, and so we need to be educated—to be risk-aware,” Cantalupi said. “I need to know the physical risks the bank might face when making lending decisions: Will a semiconductor company face water stress? Will logging in certain provinces cause landslides that destroy factories or other infrastructure?”

To prepare for an increasing number of environmental disasters, JPMorgan has been adding personnel to assess such risks, including Cantalupi, who joined late last year from Credit Suisse. The bank is hiring catastrophe modelers that can estimate the potential impact of severe weather events on JPMorgan’s real estate portfolios.





Citigroup Inc. said last month in its climate report that the physical impacts of climate change can cause a host of other worries, such as credit, liquidity and operational risks. To assess the vulnerability of its credit exposures to climate risks, the bank has introduced what it calls a Climate Risk Heat Map, which shows the business areas with the highest physical risks and transition risks.


According to Citigroup, its $15.8 billion oil and gas production loan book has a transition risk score of 4, the highest, and a physical risk score of 3. The two sectors with the highest physical risk scores are semiconductors and ports.


“It’s become a bigger issue,” especially over the past six months, said Andrew Karp, global head of the sustainable banking solutions group at Bank of America Corp. “There’s a growing worry about rising costs and, in some cases, a reduced availability of insurance and what that says about how climate risk will manifest into financial risks.”
https://www.business-standard.com/industry/banking/climate-change-s-physical-risks-are-increasingly-catching-up-with-banks-124041901366_1.html

[Winehole23]

JP Morgan and Citibank don't think climate change is pseudoscience, they think it's a risk to their bottom line.


The potential losses from extreme events and long-term changes in weather patterns are becoming more prominent, forcing the financial industry to “sharpen its understanding” of physical risks, said Gianluca Cantalupi, head of climate, nature and social risk at JPMorgan Chase & Co.


And there’s little secret why. Here are just some of the recent calamities: Floods in Pakistan wiped out 2.2% of the country’s gross domestic product in 2022; Canada’s worst wildfire season on record in 2023 took a heavy toll on the local economy; and a crippling drought at the Panama Canal has impaired a waterway that handles $270 billion a year in global trade.


“These events are happening more and more frequently, and so we need to be educated—to be risk-aware,” Cantalupi said. “I need to know the physical risks the bank might face when making lending decisions: Will a semiconductor company face water stress? Will logging in certain provinces cause landslides that destroy factories or other infrastructure?”

To prepare for an increasing number of environmental disasters, JPMorgan has been adding personnel to assess such risks, including Cantalupi, who joined late last year from Credit Suisse. The bank is hiring catastrophe modelers that can estimate the potential impact of severe weather events on JPMorgan’s real estate portfolios.





Citigroup Inc. said last month in its climate report that the physical impacts of climate change can cause a host of other worries, such as credit, liquidity and operational risks. To assess the vulnerability of its credit exposures to climate risks, the bank has introduced what it calls a Climate Risk Heat Map, which shows the business areas with the highest physical risks and transition risks.


According to Citigroup, its $15.8 billion oil and gas production loan book has a transition risk score of 4, the highest, and a physical risk score of 3. The two sectors with the highest physical risk scores are semiconductors and ports.


“It’s become a bigger issue,” especially over the past six months, said Andrew Karp, global head of the sustainable banking solutions group at Bank of America Corp. “There’s a growing worry about rising costs and, in some cases, a reduced availability of insurance and what that says about how climate risk will manifest into financial risks.”
https://www.business-standard.com/industry/banking/climate-change-s-physical-risks-are-increasingly-catching-up-with-banks-124041901366_1.html

[Winehole23]

JP Morgan and Citibank don't think climate change is pseudoscience, they think it's a risk to their bottom line.


The potential losses from extreme events and long-term changes in weather patterns are becoming more prominent, forcing the financial industry to “sharpen its understanding” of physical risks, said Gianluca Cantalupi, head of climate, nature and social risk at JPMorgan Chase & Co.


And there’s little secret why. Here are just some of the recent calamities: Floods in Pakistan wiped out 2.2% of the country’s gross domestic product in 2022; Canada’s worst wildfire season on record in 2023 took a heavy toll on the local economy; and a crippling drought at the Panama Canal has impaired a waterway that handles $270 billion a year in global trade.


“These events are happening more and more frequently, and so we need to be educated—to be risk-aware,” Cantalupi said. “I need to know the physical risks the bank might face when making lending decisions: Will a semiconductor company face water stress? Will logging in certain provinces cause landslides that destroy factories or other infrastructure?”

To prepare for an increasing number of environmental disasters, JPMorgan has been adding personnel to assess such risks, including Cantalupi, who joined late last year from Credit Suisse. The bank is hiring catastrophe modelers that can estimate the potential impact of severe weather events on JPMorgan’s real estate portfolios.





Citigroup Inc. said last month in its climate report that the physical impacts of climate change can cause a host of other worries, such as credit, liquidity and operational risks. To assess the vulnerability of its credit exposures to climate risks, the bank has introduced what it calls a Climate Risk Heat Map, which shows the business areas with the highest physical risks and transition risks.


According to Citigroup, its $15.8 billion oil and gas production loan book has a transition risk score of 4, the highest, and a physical risk score of 3. The two sectors with the highest physical risk scores are semiconductors and ports.


“It’s become a bigger issue,” especially over the past six months, said Andrew Karp, global head of the sustainable banking solutions group at Bank of America Corp. “There’s a growing worry about rising costs and, in some cases, a reduced availability of insurance and what that says about how climate risk will manifest into financial risks.”
https://www.business-standard.com/industry/banking/climate-change-s-physical-risks-are-increasingly-catching-up-with-banks-124041901366_1.html

[RandomGuy]

JP Morgan and Citibank don't think climate change is pseudoscience, they think it's a risk to their bottom line.



https://www.business-standard.com/industry/banking/climate-change-s-physical-risks-are-increasingly-catching-up-with-banks-124041901366_1.html

Texas Insurance companies are told they can't price climate change into their prices. Expect a slow motion withdrawal from the catastrophic market, and a steady increase in homeowner's rates.

[Thread]

Texas Insurance companies are told they can't price climate change into their prices. Expect a slow motion withdrawal from the catastrophic market, and a steady increase in homeowner's rates.

...max out your deductible and pray on a daily basis.

[Winehole23]

1803521607681372413

https://x.com/WeatherProf/status/1803521607681372413

[pgardn]

It is amazing when an event leads to money loss, a few rhinos wake up.

[Thread]

It is amazing when an event leads to money loss, a few rhinos wake up.

...Amen, peeg, it's (losing money)///(dying) stuck fast at interchangeable.

[Winehole23]

Climate change is making some areas uninsurable.

https://flux.community/tik-root/2023/09/report-insurance-companies-may-cancel-up-to-39-million-homeowner-policies-due-to-climate-risks/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUWMbf4WsAAQXHz?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

tl;dr

measurably decreasing cloud cover correlates to a hotter earth and atmosphere.


For more than 20 years, NASA instruments in space have tracked a growing imbalance in Earth’s solar energy budget, with more energy entering than leaving the planet. Much of that imbalance can be pinned on humanity’s greenhouse gases emissions, which trap heat in the atmosphere. But explaining the rest has been a challenge. The loss of reflective ice, exposing darker ground and water that absorb more heat, isn’t enough to explain the deficit, and the decline in light-reflecting hazes (https://www.science.org/content/article/paradox-cleaner-air-now-adding-global-warming) as countries clean up or close polluting industry falls short as well (https://www.science.org/content/article/clearer-skies-may-be-accelerating-global-warming). “Nobody can get a number that’s even close,” says George Tselioudis, a climate scientist at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

But Tselioudis and his colleagues now think they can explain the growing gap with evidence collected by a remarkably long-lived satellite. They find that the world’s reflective cloud cover has shrunk in the past 2 decades by a small but tangible degree, allowing more light in and boosting global warming. “I’m confident it’s a missing piece. It’s the missing piece,” says Tselioudis, who presented the work (https://agu.confex.com/agu/agu24/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/1730632) last week at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union.
Earth’s clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming | Science | AAAS (https://www.science.org/content/article/earth-s-clouds-are-shrinking-boosting-global-warming)