Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense" - Part 1

[clambake]

he can't own up to it. we can't provide him with courage like we did welfare.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao @ Fuzzy Lumpkins spending hours looking up old WC quotes...

http://www.atomicnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

[leemajors]

like a majority of any race in a club isn't a bunch of fucking momos :lol

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao @ Fuzzy Lumpkins spending hours looking up old WC quotes...

http://www.atomicnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg
Amazing, isn't it?

I must really have him butt-hurt.

[Blake]

It's more amazing that you are trying to justify and spin those racist quotes.

[Wild Cobra]

It's more amazing that you are trying to justify and spin those racist quotes.
Pick one, and explain why it's racist.

[Trill Clinton]

lol

[cantthinkofanything]

:lmao @ Fuzzy Lumpkins spending hours looking up old WC quotes...

http://www.atomicnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

I can't stand this particular meme or poster or whatever it's called. I thought it was funny when it first came out but it's pretty damn shitty to keep seeing. I'm sure you'll say, "lighten up". But it's fucking offensive and sad that you think it's appropriate. I don't know what you do but chances are there is someone that does it better. Making fun of a retarded person winning a race is about as dumb as telling someone in a pick-up game, "you're no Jordan".

[Wild Cobra]

lol
Not up to the challenge?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao @ Fuzzy Lumpkins spending hours looking up old WC quotes...

http://www.atomicnerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

10:51

11:36

Look at the timestamps, jackass. i didn't even use one hour its just that as I was looking for the "I hate black people" gem I ran into all of WC's other golden hits. Oh and I had a Coke. :)

[Wild Cobra]

Definition - racism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism):

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2: racial prejudice or discrimination

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't like most black people. There are very few who I have met that grew up in a cultural setting I have any respect for. Most I have met are out right thugs, and lack integrity. I could say I don't like black people, but there are some exceptions. If I based all my decisions on statistics, I would stay clear of blacks.


Well, in my experience, far more blacks speak poorly than white. Being in the Army for 11 years, I saw a good mix of people from all over. I say there's a significant difference.

So please give ust the context of " I don't like most black people" where you are not the asshole? Please point out how you claim black means poorer speaker than white and that to you that there is a "significant difference" not making you the asshole.

Please what context is there? Tell us more of your insipid stupidity.

[Wild Cobra]

So please give ust the context of " I don't like most black people" where you are not the asshole? Please point out how you claim black means poorer speaker than white and that to you that there is a "significant difference" not making you the asshole.

Please what context is there? Tell us more of your insipid stupidity.
How does that fit the definition of racism? I don't like most white people I meet either. Just because I left that unsaid doesn't mean it's not true too.

[Trill Clinton]

Not up to the challenge?
nope

[clambake]

i'm actually feeling a bit embarrassed for him.

[CosmicCowboy]

double post

[CosmicCowboy]

10:51

11:36

Look at the timestamps, jackass. i didn't even use one hour. )

:lmao @ Fuzzy Lumpkins spending 45 minutes looking up old WC posts.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/tired+of+bein+butthurt_eddda3_3692310.jpg

[Blake]

Not up to the challenge?

There is no challenge. It's right there plain as day.

You're a fucking loon.

[Wild Cobra]

There is no challenge. It's right there plain as day.

You're a fucking loon.
Believe as you wish. I think it's just that you can't handle the truth (http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=MP3S&type=Movies&movie=Few_Good_Men&quote=truth.txt&file=truth.mp3), so you twist the facts to make yourself feel better.

[clambake]

There is no challenge. It's right there plain as day.

You're a fucking loon.

this

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao @ Fuzzy Lumpkins spending 45 minutes looking up old WC posts.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/tired+of+bein+butthurt_eddda3_3692310.jpg

I guess. I at first though it wasn't worth it but then I thought about him having the most posts in this thread. I thought about him telling creepn, trill, and clam about how he characterized Martin so I thought that context of what they were dealing with had merit.

I went to the pantry got some cheezits and a diet big red and came back to my office. Now keep in mind most times while I am trolling these boards I am playing Civ5 or Shogun Total War or somesuch game but for the most part I tried different searches in the vB search.

I first tried "black people degenerates" by him but that didn't come up with much although i did find a couple of what I posted. Then I tried "black people integrity" and that pulled up much more. then I pulled up "black people" and got much much more.

I just hit the multiquote button and kept going as I browsed the posts. What was so sad is he has been spewing this hateful shit for years now. i had ot go through quite a bit but I figure if I am going to start it i might as well finish it. So I did. From my browsing I really wouldn't be surprised if he is or at one pint was a klan member or associates with those that are. The hateful shit he spews towards minorities is a bit alarming.

I do find it interesting that you go out of your way to defend that racist prick. Considering how you defend Zimmerman maybe it's not all that interesting after all.

[CosmicCowboy]

I guess. I at first though it wasn't worth it but then I thought about him having the most posts in this thread. I thought about him telling creepn, trill, and clam about how he characterized Martin so I thought that context of what they were dealing with had merit.

I went to the pantry got some cheezits and a diet big red and came back to my office. Now keep in mind most times while I am trolling these boards I am playing Civ5 or Shogun Total War or somesuch game but for the most part I tried different searches in the vB search.

I first tried "black people degenerates" by him but that didn't come up with much although i did find a couple of what I posted. Then I tried "black people integrity" and that pulled up much more. then I pulled up "black people" and got much much more.

I just hit the multiquote button and kept going as I browsed the posts. What was so sad is he has been spewing this hateful shit for years now. i had ot go through quite a bit but I figure if I am going to start it i might as well finish it. So I did. From my browsing I really wouldn't be surprised if he is or at one pint was a klan member or associates with those that are. The hateful shit he spews towards minorities is a bit alarming.

I do find it interesting that you go out of your way to defend that racist prick. Considering how you defend Zimmerman maybe it's not all that interesting after all.

:lmao @ me defending Zimmerman and WC.

Still :lmao @ you taking the internets so personally that you would take 45 minutes of your life (admittedly a pretty empty cheezits and video games life) to look up old WC posts.

[Wild Cobra]

Fuzzy Numb Nuts.

CC isn't one that defends me, it's pretty rare if he does, and I actually cannot recall a time he did. WH defends me more than he does. We agree on some things and don't on others. I think I defend him far more.

The only thing I can think of, is that you and other believe that pointing out racial facts and statistics, and/or not being politically correct means one is racist. It's not my fault that such errors of opinion are common.

Are we suppose to not talk about something that someone may find offensives as a group? Isn't your form of trying to shut people up, just another form of censorship?

You can call me a racist all you want. It doesn't make it so. If you go back and carefully think about my wording, I never say the things you paraphrase me saying.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao @ me defending Zimmerman and WC.

Still :lmao @ you taking the internets so personally that you would take 45 minutes of your life (admittedly a pretty empty cheezits and video games life) to look up old WC posts.

Feel better?

That's just what i do rather than sit around and watch TV. Most of my days lately have been in a lab. That will change in August but the summer for me is mostly a lazy time.

Introspection is important though. How long have you been here trolling me? I can point to time stamps and looks like its been far longer than 45 minutes.

And yes you are defending him by trying to drawn attention away from his vitriol but rather towards how long it took me to find it. Its reminiscent of your attempts to make this about betting earlier. It's call ed the bait and switch. You have been his knight in shining armor swooping into distracting the enemy away.

What a douchebag.

That in now way mitigates the bigoted shit that WC spews and does not have the balls to own up to. It's also engendered a discussion which is what a place like this is all about.

[clambake]

There is no challenge. It's right there plain as day.

You're a fucking loon.

this

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy Numb Nuts.

CC isn't one that defends me, it's pretty rare if he does, and I actually cannot recall a time he did. WH defends me more than he does. We agree on some things and don't on others. I think I defend him far more.

The only thing I can think of, is that you and other believe that pointing out racial facts and statistics, and/or not being politically correct means one is racist. It's not my fault that such errors of opinion are common.

Are we suppose to not talk about something that someone may find offensives as a group? Isn't your form of trying to shut people up, just another form of censorship?

You can call me a racist all you want. It doesn't make it so. If you go back and carefully think about my wording, I never say the things you paraphrase me saying.

You are such an idiot. Socially unaware and just dumb as fuck. diaf.

[clambake]

doesn't matter what race you are. getting to know wc is harrowing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh and CC you have been here since before 4PM CST. As i said introspection is important before you criticize others.

I don't say stupid hateful racist shit so I feel comfortable pointing out when WC does it.

You have been here for over 2 hours and you feel comfortable criticizing someone for 45 minutes.

Douchebag hypocrite is douchebag.

[Wild Cobra]

You are such an idiot. Socially unaware and just dumb as fuck. diaf.
Just because I don't like so many social things I see, doesn't mean I'm unaware.

You have to do better than that Fungus. My oh my. You grow like mold, don't you?

If CC and myself having similar views about you, and expressing it, means support for each other, then I really have to wonder about your sanity.

[Wild Cobra]

doesn't matter what race you are. getting to know wc is harrowing.
The why do you stalk me every day?

[clambake]

The why do you stalk me every day?

i wasn't talking to you.

[clambake]

blake and i don't agree on the aspects of this case.

blake and i, and many others, agree about you.

yes, now i'm talking to you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just because I don't like so many social things I see, doesn't mean I'm unaware.

You have to do better than that Fungus. My oh my. You grow like mold, don't you?

If CC and myself having similar views about you, and expressing it, means support for each other, then I really have to wonder about your sanity.

:lmao

Hear that CC? Here's your kindred spirit. Bosom buddies even.

[CosmicCowboy]

MIAMI - After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Detective Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the circumstances - but not his race.


Serino saw Zimmerman as "having little hero complex, but not as a racist."

The Duval County State Attorney released another collection of evidence in the Zimmerman murder case Thursday, including reports from FBI agents who investigated whether any racial bias was involved in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 killing.

The evidence includes bank surveillance videos from the day of the killing, crime scene photos and memos from prosecutors.

Among the documents is a note from the prosecutor who said one of the witnesses said her son, a minor, had felt pressured by investigators to say the injured man he saw was wearing a red top. The boy’s testimony had been considered key, because it backed up Zimmerman’s allegation that he - wearing red - was being pummeled.

Federal agents interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors and co-workers, but none said Zimmerman had expressed racial animus at any time prior to the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, a black teen, in a confrontation at a Sanford housing complex. As Sanford police investigated the circumstances of Martin’s death, the FBI opened a parallel probe to determine if Martin’s civil rights had been violated.

Several co-workers said they had never seen Zimmerman display any prejudice or racial bias.

Two co-workers told agents they spoke with Zimmerman the day after the shooting, and both said they noticed injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head. One person said Zimmerman was "absolutely devastated."

Zimmerman told both colleagues that he followed Martin - whom Zimmerman described as a "suspicious person" - so he could tell police where the teen went, but was then "jumped" by Martin. Zimmerman told both that Martin reached for Zimmerman’s gun before Zimmerman shot Martin.

In all, the FBI interviewed 35 people about Zimmerman, from current and former co-workers to neighbors and an ex-girlfriend.

Among the revelations found in nearly 300 pages of records:

-Zimmerman arrived at one of his police interviews with a friend who works as an air marshal. That friend told police Zimmerman was physically abused by his mother and had been estranged from his family.

-The day Zimmerman turned himself in to be charged with second-degree murder, authorities confiscated a handgun from his car.

-A gun dealer called police to say that some time in mid-March, Zimmerman called to say he was afraid for his life and "needed more guns.

-An ex-girlfriend said Zimmerman had outbursts and sometimes threatened suicide. She suspected it was a result of Accutane, the acne medicine he took. She said he was the "last person in the world" she thought would be involved in such an incident.

-The ex girlfriend said she and Zimmerman had a violent argument when she caught him on a singles dating web site, even though they were engaged to be married.

-Trayvon’s cousin said he would swear "on a stack of bibles" that the person shouting in a 911 tape that recorded screams during the struggle was Trayvon.


Zimmerman, 28, claims Trayvon attacked him, breaking his nose and slamming his head on the concrete at the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhouse complex. Specially appointed prosecutors who investigated the case charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder, which carries a potential life sentence.

The state attorney’s office says Zimmerman wrongly assumed Trayvon was a criminal, and says he did not suffer injuries serious enough to require deadly force to defend himself.

The U.S. Department of Justice and FBI stepped in about a month after the killing, as protesters nationwide criticized the investigation. The original probe was conducted by police in Sanford, the central Florida community where Zimmerman lives and Trayvon was visiting while suspended from school.

Visit The Miami Herald at www.miamiherald.com

[CosmicCowboy]

MIAMI - After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Detective Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the circumstances - but not his race.


Serino saw Zimmerman as "having little hero complex, but not as a racist."

The Duval County State Attorney released another collection of evidence in the Zimmerman murder case Thursday, including reports from FBI agents who investigated whether any racial bias was involved in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 killing.

The evidence includes bank surveillance videos from the day of the killing, crime scene photos and memos from prosecutors.

Among the documents is a note from the prosecutor who said one of the witnesses said her son, a minor, had felt pressured by investigators to say the injured man he saw was wearing a red top. The boy’s testimony had been considered key, because it backed up Zimmerman’s allegation that he - wearing red - was being pummeled.

Federal agents interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors and co-workers, but none said Zimmerman had expressed racial animus at any time prior to the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, a black teen, in a confrontation at a Sanford housing complex. As Sanford police investigated the circumstances of Martin’s death, the FBI opened a parallel probe to determine if Martin’s civil rights had been violated.

Several co-workers said they had never seen Zimmerman display any prejudice or racial bias.

Two co-workers told agents they spoke with Zimmerman the day after the shooting, and both said they noticed injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head. One person said Zimmerman was "absolutely devastated."

Zimmerman told both colleagues that he followed Martin - whom Zimmerman described as a "suspicious person" - so he could tell police where the teen went, but was then "jumped" by Martin. Zimmerman told both that Martin reached for Zimmerman’s gun before Zimmerman shot Martin.

In all, the FBI interviewed 35 people about Zimmerman, from current and former co-workers to neighbors and an ex-girlfriend.

Among the revelations found in nearly 300 pages of records:

-Zimmerman arrived at one of his police interviews with a friend who works as an air marshal. That friend told police Zimmerman was physically abused by his mother and had been estranged from his family.

-The day Zimmerman turned himself in to be charged with second-degree murder, authorities confiscated a handgun from his car.

-A gun dealer called police to say that some time in mid-March, Zimmerman called to say he was afraid for his life and "needed more guns.

-An ex-girlfriend said Zimmerman had outbursts and sometimes threatened suicide. She suspected it was a result of Accutane, the acne medicine he took. She said he was the "last person in the world" she thought would be involved in such an incident.

-The ex girlfriend said she and Zimmerman had a violent argument when she caught him on a singles dating web site, even though they were engaged to be married.

-Trayvon’s cousin said he would swear "on a stack of bibles" that the person shouting in a 911 tape that recorded screams during the struggle was Trayvon.


Zimmerman, 28, claims Trayvon attacked him, breaking his nose and slamming his head on the concrete at the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhouse complex. Specially appointed prosecutors who investigated the case charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder, which carries a potential life sentence.

The state attorney’s office says Zimmerman wrongly assumed Trayvon was a criminal, and says he did not suffer injuries serious enough to require deadly force to defend himself.

The U.S. Department of Justice and FBI stepped in about a month after the killing, as protesters nationwide criticized the investigation. The original probe was conducted by police in Sanford, the central Florida community where Zimmerman lives and Trayvon was visiting while suspended from school.

Visit The Miami Herald at www.miamiherald.com

[clambake]

telling 2 co-workers that martin went for the gun is pure hearsay.

exactly where was he working?

[CosmicCowboy]

telling 2 co-workers that martin went for the gun is pure hearsay.

exactly where was he working?

Ask the FBI. It was their investigation and THEM that said he wasn't a racist.

[clambake]

i'd ask that question.

[CosmicCowboy]

We now know there won't be a federal civil rights violation charge.

[clambake]

We now know there won't be a federal civil rights violation charge.

unless there's some new push.

[CosmicCowboy]

unless there's some new push.

Even as fucked up and politically driven as Holder is he wouldn't charge when the FBI says there aren't any grounds.

[clambake]

Even as fucked up and politically driven as Holder is he wouldn't charge when the FBI says there aren't any grounds.

lol singling out holder. there's still plenty of time for new evidence.

[Creepn]

It's not that hard. There were a few burglaries committed by black people in the area. Zimmerman saw a BLACK guy that he didn't recognize and made the connection that he must be a burglar because the other guys were black as well. Racial Profiling. It's just that simple.

So it was the hoodie he says that made him suspect? So if there was a white guy in a hoodie that he didn't recognize, he would accuse him of trying to rob? I seriously doubt that. I genuinely seriously doubt that especially when crimes weren't committed by them.

[BradLohaus]

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/7/13/52419/3858

Zimmerman Investigator felt Peer Pressure to Charge


In Sanford Investigator Chris Serino's 2 page interview with the FBI, he says he felt pressure from three officers to charge Zimmerman, even though he didn't feel there was enoughe evidence to charge. He didn't believe Zimmerman was motivated by racial bias. The Miami Herald article is here, and Serino's FBI interview is here.

According to Serino, one of the cops pressuring hims was a Sgt. Barns, who Serino said is a friend of Tracy Martin's. Barns even asked Serino for Martin's phone number. Serino says he ended up getting it from somewhere else. My likely suspect: Team Crump.

Serino told the FBI this during a discussion about his concern that officers were leaking information.

Serino also told the FBI that he didn't think George was racist, but that he may have had something of a "hero complex". [More...]


Barns, in his own interview, doesn't mention he's friends with Tracy Martin. His focal point is on the potential racial uprising if no charges are brought.

On March 13, Crump team member Natalie Jackson is quoted in the Orlando Sentinel as saying:

"Racism is too simple. It may have been a factor," said family attorney Natalie Jackson. But also to blame was Zimmerman's "hero complex." He should never have gotten out of his vehicle and confronted Trayvon, she said.

Serino's interview was on March 3. Her comment reorted in the Orlando Sentinel was on March 13. Who leaked Serino's statement to Team Crump?

Coincidence? Not in my mind.

[Yonivore]

Here's the Miami Herald Story

TRAYVON MARTIN CASE
Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/12/2892510/more-evidence-released-in-zimmerman.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy)


Telling the FBI that he was concerned that people inside the police department were leaking information, Serino cited Sgt. Arthur Barnes, officers Rebecca Villalona and Trekelle Perkins “as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident,” an FBI report said. “Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges.”
...

Serino, a 15-year veteran of the department who was a major-crimes investigator, was demoted last month to overnight patrol.
So, he was punished for not towing the narrative line.

This is going to end up the same way as the Duke LaCrosse prosecution.

[clambake]

should have filed charges. glad they did.

[BradLohaus]

This is going to end up the same way as the Duke LaCrosse prosecution.

I believed the MSM at first, but the more that comes to light, the more it looks that way.

[Yonivore]

I believed the MSM...
First mistake. You can't believe them on Presidential Politics either.


...at first, but the more that comes to light, the more it looks that way.
Yep.

[ChumpDumper]

lol pressure

[clambake]

or you can just believe the liar.

[Trill Clinton]

the story about him not being a racist doesn't move me one bit. sandusky had supporters who claimed he wasnt a child predator lol. you zimmerman supporters are funny.

the night in question, the night he murdered a child walking home in the rain, he was a racist. no matter what his friends or thr detective says, he racial profiled a kid and took his life.

[Yonivore]

the story about him not being a racist doesn't move me one bit. sandusky had supporters who claimed he wasnt a child predator lol. you zimmerman supporters are funny.
Are you saying the FBI is a Zimmerman supporter? I don't know many racists that would advocate for a homeless black man abused by the local police department but, that's just me.


the night in question, the night he murdered a child walking home in the rain, he was a racist. no matter what his friends or thr detective says, he racial profiled a kid and took his life.
He shot a person trying to kill him.

[Fabbs]

Away back when,

After Travon went to the store to get milk for his elderly neighbor lady along with sugar for the cookies he was baking for the morning church bake sale......

Did they find a screwdriver on Trayvon? Or was that the other guy, a burglar who got away only to be caught later.

[ploto]

He does not have to be racist to be a murderer.

[mouse]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/Nash-skittles.jpg

[Yonivore]

He does not have to be racist to be a murderer.
That's correct but, it's the only way his critics can turn him into a murderer by, insinuating racial motivation behind the shooting. Otherwise, he's just a neighborhood watchdog that got into a difficult situation, found himself on the losing end of a physical fight, and resorted to the last option he believed available to him.

[Yonivore]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/Nash-skittles.jpg
But, it does extend to people who are being assaulted and find themselves fighting for their life.

[clambake]

But, it does extend to people who are being assaulted and find themselves fighting for their life.

like martin.

[Yonivore]

like martin.
From what I've read, all evidence points to Trayvon Martin making the fatal mistake of assaulting someone with the means to defend themselves.

[George Gervin's Afro]

From what I've read, all evidence points to Trayvon Martin making the fatal mistake of assaulting someone with the means to defend themselves.

i wonder if you really mean what you say...because I don't see the world the way you do

[Yonivore]

i wonder if you really mean what you say...because I don't see the world the way you do
I do and, I know you don't.

What evidence are you aware of that is inconsistent with George Zimmerman's account of events?

[clambake]

george will say anything to get what he wants. thats already been established in court.

undeniable.

[Trill Clinton]

funny how people can take the word of a low life like zimmerman as the truth is mind boggling. even the judge has questioned his integrity.

i wish the zimmerman supporters stop with the 'i would have....' or 'trayvon should have....' etc. you are an adult! trayvon was a 17 year old child! its easy to say what you would have done differently when you arent put in the position of being threatened at gun point when you're a child.

i keep going back to the point of trayvon just wanted to go home and zimmerman was trying to be a hero by any means necessary that night, fact.

it was on the adult white-hispanic male to be a professional and follow protocol. to identify hisself. instead all he did was heighten the fear in an innocent child, picked a fight with a child then murdered the child and straddled his lifeless body.

[Wild Cobra]

I have to wonder if you guys are racist against Hispanics.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have to wonder if you guys are racist against Hispanics.

We don't have to wonder if you are racist against Africans.

[DMC]

I think racist is pro something, not anti something. A white racist is pro white, so on and so forth. We might make a gradient of values but racist involves value of your skin color, associating other colors with a set of cultural behaviors you detest (in a gradient) and assigning values to them accordingly.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think racist is pro something, not anti something. A white racist is pro white, so on and so forth. We might make a gradient of values but racist involves value of your skin color, associating other colors with a set of cultural behaviors you detest (in a gradient) and assigning values to them accordingly.

If you want to get into the etymology of the suffix -ism then i think that it just means the study or inference of race. Not necessarily biased one way or the other.


Ultimately from either Ancient Greek -ισμός (-ismos), a suffix that forms abstract nouns of action, state, condition, doctrine; from stem of verbs in -ιζειν (-izein) (whence English -ize), or from the related suffix Ancient Greek -ισμα (-isma), which more specifically expressed a finished act or thing done.

However in America it has grown to include only negative bias. I have heard definitions that try and paint it as bias that only includes policy ramifications.

[Yonivore]

funny how people can take the word of a low life like zimmerman as the truth is mind boggling. even the judge has questioned his integrity.
I've never taken George Zimmerman's word on anything. I've simply stated all the known evidence supports his version of events.


i wish the zimmerman supporters stop with the 'i would have....' or 'trayvon should have....' etc. you are an adult! trayvon was a 17 year old child! its easy to say what you would have done differently when you arent put in the position of being threatened at gun point when you're a child.
Can't help that it appears Trayvon Martin is the one who committed the fatal error.


i keep going back to the point of trayvon just wanted to go home and zimmerman was trying to be a hero by any means necessary that night, fact.
According to the evidence, the location of his condo -- in relation to where the shooting occurred, and the timing, it appears he did have time to go home.


it was on the adult white-hispanic male to be a professional and follow protocol. to identify hisself. instead all he did was heighten the fear in an innocent child, picked a fight with a child then murdered the child and straddled his lifeless body.
What the fuck is a "white-hispanic" and how do you know so much about the virtue of Trayvon Martin and the malevolence of George Zimmerman?

[CosmicCowboy]

Yoni, Trill is just trolling you. He can't possibly be that stupid.

Even Al Sharpton has shut the fuck up since more facts came out.

[Yonivore]

Yoni, Trill is just trolling you. He can't possibly be that stupid.

Even Al Sharpton has shut the fuck up since more facts came out.
I know.

[boutons_deux]

a right wing guy I worked with in Germany said he admired Hitler because the concrete roads mein Fuhrer built (to speed his blitzkrieging bastards to battles) were still in use. His admiration should have been for concrete. Typical right winger, concrete for brains.

[CosmicCowboy]

The lead Sanford Police investigator who sought manslaughter charges against George Zimmerman told the FBI that a sergeant and two other officers tried to pressure him into making an arrest in the controversial case — even though he didn’t think there was enough evidence.
Sanford Police Officer Chris Serino first made headlines when evidence released in the case showed he sought manslaughter charges against Zimmerman even while his chief publicly said there was no probable cause to arrest him. But a document released late Thursday casts doubt on Serino’s prior sworn affidavit seeking criminal charges, and raises questions about the credibility of the star law-enforcement witness in the murder case against Zimmerman for the shooting death of a black teenager, Miami Gardens high school junior Trayvon Martin..

Telling the FBI that he was concerned that people inside the police department were leaking information, Serino cited Sgt. Arthur Barnes, officers Rebecca Villalona and Trekelle Perkins “as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident,” an FBI report said. “Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges.”

The summary of Serino’s statement does not mention the race of the officers who allegedly pressured him, but sources told The Miami Herald that Barnes and Perkins are black, and Villalona is married to an African-American man. All three, the source said, had been called in by their supervisor and questioned about leaking information in the case.

A request Thursday evening to the Sanford Police Department for comment about Serino’s statement went unanswered.

“Our position has always been that there’s something going on in the Sanford Police Department,” said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon’s family. “All of this is window dressing. What’s important is George Zimmerman’s statements, which are inconsistent and factually impossible.”

Serino, a 15-year veteran of the department who was a major-crimes investigator, was demoted last month to overnight patrol. Tapes of his interviews with Zimmerman show him poking holes in the former neighborhood watch volunteer’s account of what happened the night he killed Trayvon. Serino told the FBI that Zimmerman had a “little hero complex” and sounded “scripted.” However, he said he believed Zimmerman targeted Trayvon because of his attire, the circumstances and recent burglaries in the area, not the color of the teen’s skin.

In his FBI interview, Serino accused Sgt. Barnes of being “friendly” with Tracy Martin, Trayvon’s father. He said Tracy Martin at first understood why no charges were filed, but later changed coursse and accused Zimmerman of racial profiling.

Crump denied that Tracy Martin ever changed postures. Martin, he said, sought legal counsel the very day Serino told him no charges would be filed.

Records released Thursday show that Sgt. Barnes, a 25-year veteran of the department, told the FBI that he believed the black community would be “in an uproar” if Zimmerman was not charged. “The community will be satisfied if an arrest takes place,” the FBI quoted him saying. Barnes “felt the shooting was not racially motivated, but it was a man shooting an unarmed kid.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/12/v-print/2892510/more-evidence-released-in-zimmerman.html#storylink=cpy

[Trill Clinton]

CC shut up.

witness 9 just dropped a bomb. zimmermans attorney is trying to block her testimoney and zimmerman jail phone calls. want to know why? well witness 9 accuses zimmerman of molesting her at age 6, says zimmermans family doesn't like black people(no surprise here) her family confronted zimmerman and all he had to say was ”im sorry”

so basically he's a murderer and a child molester...lmao@people donating money to this creep.

[Yonivore]

CC shut up.

witness 9 just dropped a bomb. zimmermans attorney is trying to block her testimoney and zimmerman jail phone calls. want to know why? well witness 9 accuses zimmerman of molesting her at age 6, says zimmermans family doesn't like black people(no surprise here) her family confronted zimmerman and all he had to say was ”im sorry”

so basically he's a murderer and a child molester...lmao@people donating money to this creep.
Being a child molester doesn't make him a murderer. And, he's been neither tried nor convicted of either.

[cantthinkofanything]

CC shut up.

witness 9 just dropped a bomb. zimmermans attorney is trying to block her testimoney and zimmerman jail phone calls. want to know why? well witness 9 accuses zimmerman of molesting her at age 6, says zimmermans family doesn't like black people(no surprise here) her family confronted zimmerman and all he had to say was ”im sorry”

so basically he's a murderer and a child molester...lmao@people donating money to this creep.

Shoot an unarmed black prowler? meh.
Molest a little white girl? you're fucked

[CosmicCowboy]

CC shut up.

witness 9 just dropped a bomb. zimmermans attorney is trying to block her testimoney and zimmerman jail phone calls. want to know why? well witness 9 accuses zimmerman of molesting her at age 6, says zimmermans family doesn't like black people(no surprise here) her family confronted zimmerman and all he had to say was ”im sorry”

so basically he's a murderer and a child molester...lmao@people donating money to this creep.

:lmao

That's the first time I've ever heard of two kids playing doctor called child molestation.

Even if it is true if you could read worth a shit with any comprehension you would see that when she was 6 Zimmerman was 8.

[Trill Clinton]

2 kids? he was 16 and she was 9. thats alright with you?

[CosmicCowboy]

2 kids? he was 16 and she was 9. thats alright with you?

Damn you are stupid.

He was two years older than she was.

Check it out.

[CosmicCowboy]

In a blockbuster interview released Monday morning, an unnamed witness told Sanford, Fla., police that George Zimmerman stuck his hands in her underwear and under her shirt while the two were children.
"It started when I was 6," she told investigators Jim Post and Jim Rick during a March interview. "He's about almost two years older than I am."
During the nearly 30-minute interview released Monday morning by Florida prosecutors, the woman, identified only as Witness 9, cried often.
She detailed years of alleged sexual abuse at the hands of Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
As children, she would often visit the Zimmerman family home, which is where Witness 9 alleged the abuse started.
"We would watch movies in front of the TV," she told investigators. "We would all lay in front of the TV and we would have pillows and blankets. And he would reach under the blankets and try to do things, and I would try to push him off but he was bigger and stronger and older."
"He would put his hands in, under pants, under my underwear, and basically just finger me," the woman tearfully told investigators. "I was a kid, I didn't know any better."
[/U][/B], and her exact relationship with George Zimmerman hasn't been disclosed.
The alleged abuse continued over the years, when Witness 9 would visit the Zimmermans. It's unclear why she spent so much time with the family, and her exact relationship with George Zimmerman hasn't been disclosed

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-alleged-sexual-assault-2012-7#ixzz20o0xXsC8



And she kept coming back to Zimmermans house?

:lmao

[cantthinkofanything]

In a blockbuster interview released Monday morning, an unnamed witness told Sanford, Fla., police that George Zimmerman stuck his hands in her underwear and under her shirt while the two were children.
"It started when I was 6," she told investigators Jim Post and Jim Rick during a March interview. "He's about almost two years older than I am."
During the nearly 30-minute interview released Monday morning by Florida prosecutors, the woman, identified only as Witness 9, cried often.
She detailed years of alleged sexual abuse at the hands of Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
As children, she would often visit the Zimmerman family home, which is where Witness 9 alleged the abuse started.
"We would watch movies in front of the TV," she told investigators. "We would all lay in front of the TV and we would have pillows and blankets. And he would reach under the blankets and try to do things, and I would try to push him off but he was bigger and stronger and older."
"He would put his hands in, under pants, under my underwear, and basically just finger me," the woman tearfully told investigators. "I was a kid, I didn't know any better."
[/U][/B], and her exact relationship with George Zimmerman hasn't been disclosed.
The alleged abuse continued over the years, when Witness 9 would visit the Zimmermans. It's unclear why she spent so much time with the family, and her exact relationship with George Zimmerman hasn't been disclosed

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-alleged-sexual-assault-2012-7#ixzz20o0xXsC8



And she kept coming back to Zimmermans house?

:lmao

That's funny to you?
It's obviously not as egregious as a 16 year old and 9 year old. But one child forcing them self on another is far from laughing material. Jackass.

[Trill Clinton]

Damn you are stupid.

He was two years older than she was.

Check it out.

yea my fault.

at this juncture you're arguing the age rather the fact HE SEXUALLY MOLESTED A YOUNG GIRL FOR OVER 10 YEARS!!!!

tha fuck is wrong with you? you probably think joe paterno is innocent in the penn state scandal too, huh?

the girl was a victim and now has the strength to make a stand. smh@ you taking her statements for a joke.

and yes molesters are murderers as well, Gacy says hello.

[Trill Clinton]

In a blockbuster interview released Monday morning, an unnamed witness told Sanford, Fla., police that George Zimmerman stuck his hands in her underwear and under her shirt while the two were children.
"It started when I was 6," she told investigators Jim Post and Jim Rick during a March interview. "He's about almost two years older than I am."
During the nearly 30-minute interview released Monday morning by Florida prosecutors, the woman, identified only as Witness 9, cried often.
She detailed years of alleged sexual abuse at the hands of Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
As children, she would often visit the Zimmerman family home, which is where Witness 9 alleged the abuse started.
"We would watch movies in front of the TV," she told investigators. "We would all lay in front of the TV and we would have pillows and blankets. And he would reach under the blankets and try to do things, and I would try to push him off but he was bigger and stronger and older."
"He would put his hands in, under pants, under my underwear, and basically just finger me," the woman tearfully told investigators. "I was a kid, I didn't know any better."
[/U][/B], and her exact relationship with George Zimmerman hasn't been disclosed.
The alleged abuse continued over the years, when Witness 9 would visit the Zimmermans. It's unclear why she spent so much time with the family, and her exact relationship with George Zimmerman hasn't been disclosed

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/george-zimmerman-alleged-sexual-assault-2012-7#ixzz20o0xXsC8



And she kept coming back to Zimmermans house?

:lmao

so its funny that she kept coming back? you're sick.

[Trill Clinton]

Being a child molester doesn't make him a murderer. And, he's been neither tried nor convicted of either.

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[Yonivore]

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I know you're stupid so, I'll type slower...

I didn't say one couldn't be both but that one doesn't necessarily make you the other -- as you've implied. I also said Zimmerman has been neither tried nor convicted of either. And, in the case of molestation accusation, he hasn't even been charged.

Frankly, I question the relevance of the accusation to the charge of 2nd degree murder of Trayvon Martin. Not that I would put it past them but, are the prosecutors now suggesting Zimmerman molested Martin before shooting him?

Finally, judging by what CC said (and I admit to not being interested enough to give much thought the notion Zimmerman is guilty of some sexual molestation when he was a child), if it occurred when Zimmerman was 8 and the "victim" 6, I question whether it is molestation at all. I played doctor with a girl down the street when we were both younger than 10.

[Trill Clinton]

I know you're stupid so, I'll type slower...

I didn't say one couldn't be both but that one doesn't necessarily make you the other -- as you've implied. I also said Zimmerman has been neither tried nor convicted of either. And, in the case of molestation accusation, he hasn't even been charged.

Frankly, I question the relevance of the accusation to the charge of 2nd degree murder of Trayvon Martin. Not that I would put it past them but, are the prosecutors now suggesting Zimmerman molested Martin before shooting him?

Finally, judging by what CC said (and I admit to not being interested enough to give much thought the notion Zimmerman is guilty of some sexual molestation when he was a child), if it occurred when Zimmerman was 8 and the "victim" 6, I question whether it is molestation at all. I played doctor with a girl down the street when we were both younger than 10.

and I'll type slow for you IT HAPPENED FOR 10 YEARS SINCE SHE WAS 6.

If your granddaughter told you a family friend who was 2 years older than her, was putting his hand UNDERNEATH her panties and fondling her private parts, would you just laugh it off and play the "doctor card"?:wakeup

I know you want to say yes so bad so you can be right, but just be honest. yes or no question.

CC doesn't know shit about this case lol. he has is just as invested in proving zimmerman was not at fault as I am in getting justice for Trayvon.

The prosecutors are unraveling zimmerman's credibility and character. Last time I checked that was a very important factor in court. Just because he hasn't been charged for either doesn't clear him of any wrongdoing either. With that logic OJ had no role in the murder of his ex-wife.:rolleyes

[Creepn]

A child killer and a child finger rapist. SMDH. He'll find a way to lie about that too.

[Trill Clinton]

A child killer and a child finger rapist. SMDH. He'll find a way to lie about that too.

and CC and Yoni will keep making excuses for his creep-like behavior. sad thing in all this are the people who will still send him money for his defense fund.

[Wild Cobra]

Yoni, Trill is just trolling you. He can't possibly be that stupid.

Even Al Sharpton has shut the fuck up since more facts came out.
No Shit.

People here need to keep that in mind.

[Creepn]

No Shit.

People here need to keep that in mind.

His job was to bring awareness and an arrest. Mission Accomplished Al Sharpton Thanks! Now please stay quiet Al lol.

[Trill Clinton]

No Shit.

People here need to keep that in mind.

everybody should just keep quiet and forget this happened?

sharpton's main role in this was to see zimmerman get charged. he rose awareness and zimmerman was charged, his job is done.

[Wild Cobra]

His job was to bring awareness and an arrest. Mission Accomplished Al Sharpton Thanks! Now please stay quiet Al lol.
No, when there is something he can make news with, he doesn't stop till the news is worn out. This news isn't worn out. just going to make all attached to Martin's side look like a fool.

He knows when to stop.

[Yonivore]

and I'll type slow for you IT HAPPENED FOR 10 YEARS SINCE SHE WAS 6.

If your granddaughter told you a family friend who was 2 years older than her, was putting his hand UNDERNEATH her panties and fondling her private parts, would you just laugh it off and play the "doctor card"?:wakeup

I know you want to say yes so bad so you can be right, but just be honest. yes or no question.
First of all, you don't that it happened at all. Second of all, whatever happened, it isn't relevant to whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin.

Perhaps they'll investigate and bring charges. I don't care. It doesn't change my opinion Zimmerman killed Martin in self-defense.


CC doesn't know shit about this case lol. he has is just as invested in proving zimmerman was not at fault as I am in getting justice for Trayvon.

The prosecutors are unraveling zimmerman's credibility and character. Last time I checked that was a very important factor in court. Just because he hasn't been charged for either doesn't clear him of any wrongdoing either. With that logic OJ had no role in the murder of his ex-wife.:rolleyes
Credibility and character are not as important as evidence.

[Creepn]

No, when there is something he can make news with, he doesn't stop till the news is worn out. This news isn't worn out. just going to make all attached to Martin's side look like a fool.

He knows when to stop.

What you said made no sense.

[Trill Clinton]

First of all, you don't that it happened at all. Second of all, whatever happened, it isn't relevant to whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin.

Perhaps they'll investigate and bring charges. I don't care. It doesn't change my opinion Zimmerman killed Martin in self-defense.


Credibility and character are not as important as evidence.

evidence shows zimmerman is a sexual deviant and child killer.

[Trill Clinton]

and yoni, is your answer yes or no?

[Yonivore]

and yoni, is your answer yes or no?
The answer is no, and irrelevant to the question of whether or not Zimmerman murdered Martin.

[Yonivore]

evidence shows zimmerman is a sexual deviant and child killer.
There is no evidence to the former and I simply disagree with the latter; evidence shows Zimmerman was defending himself when he shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

[Trill Clinton]

The answer is no, and irrelevant to the question of whether or not Zimmerman murdered Martin.

it doesn't. I just needed some clarification as to what I'm dealing with in regards to your opinions in this case. you were quick to attribute her outcries to child-play even though the abuse went on for 10 years.

[Trill Clinton]

There is no evidence to the former and I simply disagree with the latter; evidence shows Zimmerman was defending himself when he shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

evidence shows Trayvon was defending himself while zimmerman used deadly force.

[Yonivore]

evidence shows Trayvon was defending himself while zimmerman used deadly force.
Actually, it doesn't.

[Yonivore]

it doesn't. I just needed some clarification as to what I'm dealing with in regards to your opinions in this case. you were quick to attribute her outcries to child-play even though the abuse went on for 10 years.
Going on the information I had available. I know absolutely zero about the accusations, aside from what you and CC had said. It's still irrelevant to the murder charge.

[Trill Clinton]

Actually, it doesn't.
yes it does. its very clear who the instigator is and that is why zimmerman is standing trial.

[Yonivore]

yes it does. its very clear who the instigator is and that is why zimmerman is standing trial.
We simply disagree and standing trial isn't evidence of a crime. Innocent people stand trial for crimes they did not commit.

Besides, with the information now coming to light, it's beginning to appear the only reason Zimmerman is standing trial is political.

[cantthinkofanything]

Based on what's available so far, I agree with Yoni that there doesn't seem to be enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder.

That being said, there's enough other stuff about Z that points to him being a total piece of shit. And in this particular case, I don't care if the jury overlooks the real facts to send him to jail. IMO, justice served.

[clambake]

We simply disagree and standing trial isn't evidence of a crime. Innocent people stand trial for crimes they did not commit.

Besides, with the information now coming to light, it's beginning to appear the only reason Zimmerman is standing trial is political.

he's standing trial because he hunted that kid down and killed him.

supporting this documented liar is purely political.

[Yonivore]

Based on what's available so far, I agree with Yoni that there doesn't seem to be enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder.

That being said, there's enough other stuff about Z that points to him being a total piece of shit. And in this particular case, I don't care if the jury overlooks the real facts to send him to jail. IMO, justice served.
I understand your point but, I'm having trouble reconciling Zimmerman being a "total piece of shit" and his support of a homeless African-American man with a beef against the Police Department.

A "total piece of shit" doesn't just champion the deserving cause of a no-name homeless guy.

It could be the "total piece of shit" characterization is a fabrication of those who are completely invested in Zimmerman being guilty of anything because, well, the racist angle just wasn't working out and, instead of wearing the egg on their faces, they will now assassinate his character.

I don't know but, it fits.

[Trill Clinton]

lol

[clambake]

I understand your point but, I'm having trouble reconciling Zimmerman being a "total piece of shit" and his support of a homeless African-American man with a beef against the Police Department.

A "total piece of shit" doesn't just champion the deserving cause of a no-name homeless guy.

It could be the "total piece of shit" characterization is a fabrication of those who are completely invested in Zimmerman being guilty of anything because, well, the racist angle just wasn't working out and, instead of wearing the egg on their faces, they will now assassinate his character.

I don't know but, it fits.

all that rose colored TALK about his character is hearsay.

the only FACT regarding his character is that he already lied to the court.

[cantthinkofanything]

I understand your point but, I'm having trouble reconciling Zimmerman being a "total piece of shit" and his support of a homeless African-American man with a beef against the Police Department.

A "total piece of shit" doesn't just champion the deserving cause of a no-name homeless guy.

It could be the "total piece of shit" characterization is a fabrication of those who are completely invested in Zimmerman being guilty of anything because, well, the racist angle just wasn't working out and, instead of wearing the egg on their faces, they will now assassinate his character.

I don't know but, it fits.

Yeah...I hear you. There's some things that don't completely add up to either side's portrayal of Zimmerman. And I also agree that this newest accusation could be fabricated or altered to a more sinister level than it really was.

But again, from what's out there (facts, accusations, events), I think something is wrong with the guy. If the accusations are true, then I won't have a problem with the jury convicting him, regardless if they are making their decision based on facts outside of the scope of the charge.

Maybe the truth will come out and show that Zimmerman really wasn't as bad as he seems. Or maybe he's not as bad as he seems but the truth never will come out and he is sacrificed.

[Yonivore]

Yeah...I hear you. There's some things that don't completely add up to either side's portrayal of Zimmerman. And I also agree that this newest accusation could be fabricated or altered to a more sinister level than it really was.

But again, from what's out there (facts, accusations, events), I think something is wrong with the guy. If the accusations are true, then I won't have a problem with the jury convicting him, regardless if they are making their decision based on facts outside of the scope of the charge.

Maybe the truth will come out and show that Zimmerman really wasn't as bad as he seems. Or maybe he's not as bad as he seems but the truth never will come out and he is sacrificed.
Well, there's a vote for blind justice. [/sarcasm]

[Wild Cobra]

all that rose colored TALK about his character is hearsay.

the only FACT regarding his character is that he already lied to the court.
So are most the other things said bad about him.

Look. We know you lie all the time, and are an expert at having no ethics and character. Just because that applies to you, and you would lie about anything, doesn't mean it applies to him.

[clambake]

So are most the other things said bad about him.

Look. We know you lie all the time, and are an expert at having no ethics and character. Just because that applies to you, and you would lie about anything, doesn't mean it applies to him.

what did i lie about?

be specific.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

Everyone see it. I don't need to. Everyone knows you are a chronic liar.

[clambake]

LOL...

Everyone see it. I don't need to. Everyone knows you are a chronic liar.

i knew you couldn't do it.

show some respect. we paid to keep you alive.

[Wild Cobra]

i knew you couldn't do it.

show some respect. we paid to keep you alive.
I can do it. There are plenty of examples. You just aren't worth the time.

[CosmicCowboy]

so its funny that she kept coming back? you're sick.

Yeah, I find it mighty curious that they were playing doctor, she now SAYS she didn't like it, yet she KEPT GOING BACK TO HIS HOUSE to allegedly get molested again.

That story stinks like week old dead fish.

More likely she just wants her 15 minutes of fame.

[cantthinkofanything]

Yeah, I find it mighty curious that they were playing doctor, she now SAYS she didn't like it, yet she KEPT GOING BACK TO HIS HOUSE to allegedly get molested again.

That story stinks like week old dead fish.

More likely she just wants her 15 minutes of fame.

My guess is the psychology of children who were sexually abused is far more complicated that you're assuming.

[Blake]

I can do it. There are plenty of examples. You just aren't worth the time.

Plenty examples of you being bat shit crazy

[CosmicCowboy]

Psychologists say it is perfectly normal for children to explore their sexuality.

So let me get this straight.

None of you guys had sex before you were 18?

None of you guys got naked or played around with anyone of the opposite sex when you were in elementary school?

[CosmicCowboy]

Bottom line, by her OWN WORDS she KEPT COMING BACK FOR MORE.

[Wild Cobra]

They can't handle the truth CC. Maybe you should give up on them?

[ChumpDumper]

CosmicCowboy: child psychologist. :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

Psychologists say it is perfectly normal for children to explore their sexuality.

So let me get this straight.

None of you guys had sex before you were 18?

None of you guys got naked or played around with anyone of the opposite sex when you were in elementary school?

I'm just saying the fact that she kept coming over doesn't disprove or make any less likely the allegations.

That being said, I just read that the last time it happened, he was 18 and she was 16. He was living alone. So...

[ChumpDumper]

That nine year old was asking for it, Look at how she dressed!

[cantthinkofanything]

None of you guys had sex before you were 18?


yes


None of you guys got naked or played around with anyone of the opposite sex when you were in elementary school?

no

[Yonivore]

The more important question is why did the Prosecutor feel it necessary to disclose this information?

I think Corey knows she doesn't have the evidence to convict for 2nd Degree Murder and his hoping to embarrass Zimmerman into a plea agreement; or, to so pollute the jury pool that they will be like canthinkofanything and just vote on their perception of the defendant instead of the facts of the case.

This isn't evidence about the shooting. It would be barred by any court as 1) irrelevant, 2) prejudicial, and 3) relating to unproven "prior bad acts."

Not even your criminal record gets entered against you (unless it's directly related to the current crime or undermines your alibi).

And yet Angela Corey is releasing this (“Witness #9” Makes Sure George Zimmerman Never Gets Fair Trial). As "disclosure."

[Yonivore]

My guess is the psychology of children who were sexually abused is far more complicated that you're assuming.
It's irrelevant to the murder charge and the only reason it would be disclosed by the prosecutor is to prejudice a potential juror.

[cantthinkofanything]

The more important question is why did the Prosecutor feel it necessary to disclose this information?

I think Corey knows she doesn't have the evidence to convict for 2nd Degree Murder and his hoping to embarrass Zimmerman into a plea agreement; or, to so pollute the jury pool that they will be like canthinkofanything and just vote on their perception of the defendant instead of the facts of the case.

This isn't evidence about the shooting. It would be barred by any court as 1) irrelevant, 2) prejudicial, and 3) relating to unproven "prior bad acts."

Not even your criminal record gets entered against you (unless it's directly related to the current crime or undermines your alibi).

And yet Angela Corey is releasing this (http://%E2%80%9CWitness%20#9%E2%80%9D%20Makes%20Sure%20Ge orge%20Zimmerman%20Never%20Gets%20Fair%20Trial). As "disclosure."

It's possible that the prosecution will prove that Travon was dating Zimmerman's female relative, thus providing motive for Zimmerman.

[ChumpDumper]

None of you guys sexually assaulted a nine year old?

[cantthinkofanything]

It's irrelevant to the murder charge and the only reason it would be disclosed by the prosecutor is to prejudice a potential juror.

I don't disagree. My point was that Cosmic Cowboy isn't qualified to pass judgement based on the girl's continuing to come back over.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't disagree. My point was that Cosmic Cowboy isn't qualified to pass judgement based on the girl's continuing to come back over.

They messed around over a TEN YEAR PERIOD?

It ALWAYS happened at HIS house after SHE voluntarily went to his house?

C'mon guys. That story doesn't wash. She claims to have been 16 years old the last time. If she didn't like it then WHY did she go over there? By that time she had plenty of other options to get fingered...Why Zimmerman? If she didn't like him, and didn't want to see him then just don't go over there. Problem solved.

The logic just doesn't track that she went over to his house time after time after time so he could "force himself" on her against her will time after time after time.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree.

They have no case, so they are purposely tainting the jury pool.

[Wild Cobra]

They messed around over a TEN YEAR PERIOD?

It ALWAYS happened at HIS house after SHE voluntarily went to his house?

C'mon guys. That story doesn't wash. She claims to have been 16 years old the last time. If she didn't like it then WHY did she go over there? By that time she had plenty of other options to get fingered...Why Zimmerman? If she didn't like him, and didn't want to see him then just don't go over there. Problem solved.

The logic just doesn't track.
She's probably pissed because he moved, and couldn't do her any more, and he probably didn't write.

See ya Baby... I got mine... now you get yours...

[clambake]

I can do it. There are plenty of examples. You just aren't worth the time.

should be easy if the amount is plentiful.

go ahead, be specific.

quit stalling.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I agree.

They have no case, so they are purposely tainting the jury pool.

you just made this up out of thin air..now you and yoni a jury experts..lol

[Yonivore]

It's possible that the prosecution will prove that Travon was dating Zimmerman's female relative, thus providing motive for Zimmerman.
I'm pretty sure that would have already been disclosed.

[Trill Clinton]

Yeah, I find it mighty curious that they were playing doctor, she now SAYS she didn't like it, yet she KEPT GOING BACK TO HIS HOUSE to allegedly get molested again.

That story stinks like week old dead fish.

More likely she just wants her 15 minutes of fame.

you big dummy!/ fred sanford voice, she was a kid the entire time. her parents and zimmerman's family were friends. it wasn't like she drove over on her own free will. when she finally told her parents what happened they confronted the coward.

Despite a last-minute rush to the courthouse by the defense to keep a witness’ story out of public view, the Duval County State Attorney on Monday released a recorded statement from a woman who said George Zimmerman molested her when they were both children, beginning when she just six years old.


The families lived in different states, but the incidents took place during annual visits for as long as 10 years, she said.


The woman, whose name was not released, called investigators just days after the shooting of Trayvon Martin to say that Zimmerman and his family were racists who disliked blacks. As investigators probed weeks later, she made even more damaging allegations.



The recordings, taped March 20, make clear that the woman called the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office on March 19 with information she wanted to share. She was interviewed by investigators Jim Rick and Jim Post from the state attorney’s office.


The woman said she is two years younger than Zimmerman. From the statement, it’s clear their families were close. When she was 6 and her family was in the process of moving from Louisiana to Orlando, she and her sister were sent to stay with the Zimmermans at their home in Virginia, she said.



The children would hang out on sofas under blankets watching TV, and Zimmerman, she claims, would use the opportunity to fondle her and penetrate her with his fingers.
“That’s my earliest memory of him trying to do things. He would reach under the blankets,” she said. “He was bigger, and stronger and older. I was a kid. I didn’t know any better.”


Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O’Mara, filed a motion Monday to put a stop to a judge’s ruling that ordered the release of hundreds of his client’s jailhouse phone calls and the statement from the witness, known in court records as “witness 9.” But his motion apparently did not reach the Duval County state attorney in time, because the statements were posted shortly after 11 a.m. Monday as scheduled.


O’Mara had been in a furious quest to seal statements from witness 9, saying her allegations were incendiary, irrelevant and would ruin his client’s chance at a fair trial.



The portion of witness 9’s statement that the Zimmerman family disliked blacks was made public weeks ago, but the defense urged the judge to seal the rest of it. After Seminole Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester ruled to make the statement public, O’Mara asked the judge to reconsider. A second hearing on the matter was held last month, and on Friday the judge ruled again to make the statement public.


The judge also ordered the release of about 150 of Zimmerman’s jailhouse phone calls, which O’Mara wanted sealed.


The judge said in his ruling that nothing in Florida’s public-records law allows for such information to be kept secret. By law, evidence the prosecution turns over to the defense — called “discovery” — is public record. There are exceptions for things such as telecommunications records and confessions.



Lawyers for The Miami Herald, the Orlando Sentinel and other media argued for the release of the calls and the witness statement. At the June 29 hearing, the media attorneys argued against sealing the statements, and Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda said he may call “witness 9” as a rebuttal witness at trial.



“She certainly would be a rebuttal witness very similar to that in the Sandusky trial, showing that he has a history of violence and manipulation,” said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the parents of the unarmed teenager Zimmerman killed, in reference to the child molestation case involving former Pennsylvania State University coach Jerry Sandusky. “Zimmerman’s mentality is very relevant to this trial.”


By Monday afternoon, O’Mara had not yet commented on the damaging revelations.



Reached earlier this month by the Miami Herald, the woman known as witness 9 declined to be interviewed.


In her statement, the woman said Zimmerman has a captivating personality, but was different behind closed doors with her.


“He made everyone love him, made everyone laugh and be happy around him,” she said, adding he was like the son her father never had.


But the alleged abuse continued at least once a year during family visits, she said. She claims he would grope her behind curtains and once, when she was about 12, he allegedly made her rub his penis. She did not say he ever penetrated her.


He had “a certain look” whenever it was about to happen, she said.
She said the last incident occurred when she was 16, and the Zimmermans had recently moved to Centrral Florida, closer to where her family lives. She said he lay down next to her with an erection and began kissing her and rubbing her chest, but she got up and ran out. He chased her as far as the front door but no further, she said.


“I wanted it to just stop. I didn’t want to ever have to tell anyone,” she told the two investigators.


She said she once tried telling her family, but the vague words she used to explain it apparently went over everybody’s head. In 2005, when she was 20, she told her sister, and her sister told their parents.


The parents had a meeting with Zimmerman at a restaurant. “He sat down at the end of the booth, said, ‘I’m sorry,’ and got up and walked out,” she said. After that, Zimmerman was never invited to joint family functions.



She never went to the police, she said, because her mother told her that cases like hers become “he said/she said,” and get dropped. Zimmerman’s parents “pushed it under the rug and pretended it never happened,” she said.


However, she noted that neither Zimmerman’s parents nor her own ever heard the details of what she says happened. “I told them I didn’t want to talk about it,” she said.


Witness 9 told authorities that some of her memories on it were fuzzy, but she distinctly recalls telling some childhood friends. She blocked out even happy memories, she said.



Why then, investigators asked, was she coming forward now?
“It’s the first time in my life I’m not afraid of him,” she said. “I know nothing can get to me. He can’t get to me. I won’t go to Target and see him there anymore.”


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/16/v-fullstory/2897557/zimmerman-defense-attorney-will.html#storylink=cpy

[Trill Clinton]

None of you guys got naked or played around with anyone of the opposite sex when you were in elementary school?

dude you got a lil sandusky in you.

[Yonivore]

you just made this up out of thin air..now you and yoni a jury experts..lol
Okay, genius, what's the reason Corey disclosed this?

[ChumpDumper]

I have no idea why this information was released, but knee jerk blaming the six year old victim of alleged sexual abuse is pretty disturbing tbh.

[elbamba]

I have no idea why this information was released, but knee jerk blaming the six year old victim of alleged sexual abuse is pretty disturbing tbh.

I would agree if the victim were 6. However, the alleged victim is 27-28 years old and waited for an odd time to come forward. Her allegation of racism is weak, evidenced by her inability to point to a single instance of racism on Zimmerman's part. Her allegation that the family is racist is completely irrelevant. WHo cares about the family? Were they there the night Martin was shot?

Furthermore, the testimony is more than likely inadmissible. It is way too prejudicial, especailly because not only were charges never filed, no complaint was ever filed. This goes to support Zimmerman's attorney's request to have the judge recuse himself. To me, it makes no sense to allow this evidence to come to light and is highly prejudicial if you are pretending to be fair and impartial.

[Trill Clinton]

this is why victims of rape never come forward, because no matter what noone will believe them. smh. I feel sorry for every child that's been molested/rape. its a lose-lose situation for them. they get raped or molested and they're afraid to tell because the perpetrator has threatened them and they also feel some self guilt for letting it happen. when they finally get enough courage to speak out people like some posters in here will call them liars.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have no idea why this information was released, but knee jerk blaming the six year old victim of alleged sexual abuse is pretty disturbing tbh.

I'm not blaming anyone shithead. I'm saying the story as told makes no sense to me.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not blaming anyone shithead. I'm saying the story as told makes no sense to me.Your not getting it makes sense.

[ChumpDumper]

I would agree if the victim were 6. However, the alleged victim is 27-28 years old and waited for an odd time to come forward.Why would the passage of time make a person any less a victim?

[CosmicCowboy]

this is why victims of rape never come forward, because no matter what noone will believe them. smh. I feel sorry for every child that's been molested/rape. its a lose-lose situation for them. they get raped or molested and they're afraid to tell because the perpetrator has threatened them and they also feel some self guilt for letting it happen. when they finally get enough courage to speak out people like some posters in here will call them liars.

GFY

I don't condone rape.

Using logic her story simply doesn't make sense. Maybe that's why you don't get it. At any point in time from 6 to 16 she could have said no, and gotten up and left the room. She never said he forced anything on her, just that he was "bigger and stronger". Well, the parents in the rest of the house were bigger and stronger than George. I'm sorry, but the story sounds fabricated to me.

I don't doubt there is some factual basis to the story but she seems to be spinning it many years later to make herself look like she wasn't a semi-willing participant.

[CosmicCowboy]

Your not getting it makes sense.

Still butthurt about that summer camp with Sandusky?

[clambake]

GFY

I don't condone rape.

Using logic her story simply doesn't make sense. Maybe that's why you don't get it. At any point in time from 6 to 16 she could have said no, and gotten up and left the room. She never said he forced anything on her, just that he was "bigger and stronger". Well, the parents in the rest of the house were bigger and stronger than George. I'm sorry, but the story sounds fabricated to me.

I don't doubt there is some factual basis to the story but she seems to be spinning it many years later to make herself look like she wasn't a semi-willing participant.

so, you don't like it when people fabricate a story, right?

[CosmicCowboy]

so, you don't like it when people fabricate a story, right?

I don't like Zimmerman and I don't like liars. Yes, Zimmerman is a loser and a liar.

I still say he will be found not guilty of second degree murder.

I still say I find the testimony of witness #9 highly questionable and self serving.

[clambake]

I still say I find the testimony of witness #9 highly questionable and self serving.

just like george?

[ChumpDumper]

Still butthurt about that summer camp with Sandusky?You really get off on child rape jokes.

[Trill Clinton]

GFY

I don't condone rape.

Using logic her story simply doesn't make sense. Maybe that's why you don't get it. At any point in time from 6 to 16 she could have said no, and gotten up and left the room. She never said he forced anything on her, just that he was "bigger and stronger". Well, the parents in the rest of the house were bigger and stronger than George. I'm sorry, but the story sounds fabricated to me.

I don't doubt there is some factual basis to the story but she seems to be spinning it many years later to make herself look like she wasn't a semi-willing participant.

why doesn't it make sense? because she waited years like most rape victims do? not all rapists and molesters are forceful, I don't remember any of sandusky's victims describing him as forcing his will on them.

these creeps are master manipulators and very cunning. again it seems like you're trying to defend zimmerman by any means necessary and at this juncture its pretty sad considering a victim has come forward with rape accusations. she stated her parents even confronted him, do you think her parents are in on the "lie" too?

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't like Zimmerman and I don't like liars. Yes, Zimmerman is a loser and a liar.

I still say he will be found not guilty of second degree murder.

I still say I find the testimony of witness #9 highly questionable and self serving.

Clambake do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I'll try to use smaller words.

[CosmicCowboy]

why doesn't it make sense? because she waited years like most rape victims do? not all rapists and molesters are forceful, I don't remember any of sandusky's victims describing him as forcing his will on them.

these creeps are master manipulators and very cunning. again it seems like you're trying to defend zimmerman by any means necessary and at this juncture its pretty sad considering a victim has come forward with rape accusations. she stated her parents even confronted him, do you think her parents are in on the "lie" too?

I think that within a week she will be paid a six figure fee to go on an Opra like talk show because idiots like you will eat that shit up. Her lawyers are probably negotiating it right now.

[ChumpDumper]

lol six figures

[Trill Clinton]

I think that within a week she will be paid a six figure fee to go on an Opra like talk show because idiots like you will eat that shit up. Her lawyers are probably negotiating it right now.

:rolleyes

[clambake]

Clambake do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I'll try to use smaller words.

i doubt you would believe anything that witness has to say, now or in the future.

........this whole story belongs to george. we already know about george. it's been confirmed in court.

that is the fact in this case. fact

[cantthinkofanything]

I think that within a week she will be paid a six figure fee to go on an Opra like talk show because idiots like you will eat that shit up. Her lawyers are probably negotiating it right now.

so you think this girl is willing to risk slander to make some $? That's your theory?

[CosmicCowboy]

why doesn't it make sense? because she waited years like most rape victims do? not all rapists and molesters are forceful, I don't remember any of sandusky's victims describing him as forcing his will on them.

these creeps are master manipulators and very cunning. again it seems like you're trying to defend zimmerman by any means necessary and at this juncture its pretty sad considering a victim has come forward with rape accusations. she stated her parents even confronted him, do you think her parents are in on the "lie" too?

And BTW, you might want to read up on what the definition of RAPE is. It's pretty cut and dried.

RAPE didn't happen.

If you want to call it "molestation" then that happens thousands of times every weekend when high school boys try to get to home plate with high school girls and the girl stops them at first, second, or third.

It cracks me up that you want to come off as such a black gangsta and are such a pussy about juvenile sex.

[CosmicCowboy]

so you think this girl is willing to risk slander to make some $? That's your theory?

Monica Lewinski made a fucking career out of it.

[Trill Clinton]

I think that within a week she will be paid a six figure fee to go on an Opra like talk show because idiots like you will eat that shit up. Her lawyers are probably negotiating it right now.

I didn't even bother reading this post the first time:lol so I'm a idiot because I believe this girls outcry? well you did admit to getting naked in elementary and playing with girls so your response doesn't surprise me one bit.

I hope you don't have any daughters or granddaughters, even nieces. kinda scary that you a)admit to being a creepy kid and b) are so quick to call this girl a liar. what if that was a young girl in your family and she came to you with that outcry 10 years later? if zimmerman didn't have such a checkered past then maaaaaaaybe I could understand where you're coming from with your train of thought. considering everything we've learned about him these past couple months I'm certain this lady and her family are credible.

[cantthinkofanything]

And BTW, you might want to read up on what the definition of RAPE is. It's pretty cut and dried.

RAPE didn't happen.

If you want to call it "molestation" then that happens thousands of times every weekend when high school boys try to get to home plate with high school girls and the girl stops them at first, second, or third.

It cracks me up that you want to come off as such a black gangsta and are such a pussy about juvenile sex.

Holy shit...you have to be trolling...

you're equating high school kids consensually touching each other with someone forcing himself on another for 10 years? Starting at age 6?

That's you take on this?

and thinking it's normal for little boys and girls to do stuff naked together?

Sounds like you're trying to rationalize some things you might have done in the past.

[Trill Clinton]

It cracks me up that you want to come off as such a black gangsta and are such a pussy about juvenile sex.


how and where have I tried to come off as a black gangsta? stop it. nothing pussy about not taking child molestation lightly. just because you got naked with kids at a young age doesn't mean its right. let's talk about it.

[ChumpDumper]

If you want to call it "molestation" then that happens thousands of times every weekend when high school boys try to get to home plate with high school girls and the girl stops them at first, second, or third.Ignorant or simply misogynist.

Whatever.

[cantthinkofanything]

I didn't even bother reading this post the first time:lol so I'm a idiot because I believe this girls outcry? well you did admit to getting naked in elementary and playing with girls so your response doesn't surprise me one bit.

I hope you don't have any daughters or granddaughters, even nieces. kinda scary that you a)admit to being a creepy kid and b) are so quick to call this girl a liar. what if that was a young girl in your family and she came to you with that outcry 10 years later? if zimmerman didn't have such a checkered past then maaaaaaaybe I could understand where you're coming from with your train of thought. considering everything we've learned about him these past couple months I'm certain this lady and her family are credible.

In any event, regardless of if Zimmerman had a checkered past or not, it's completely out of line to demonize the girl. If it comes out that she's lying, then go for it. But for CC to immediately blame her???? It's pretty disturbing.

[Trill Clinton]

In any event, regardless of if Zimmerman had a checkered past or not, it's completely out of line to demonize the girl. If it comes out that she's lying, then go for it. But for CC to immediately blame her???? It's pretty disturbing.

indeed.

[CosmicCowboy]

I didn't even bother reading this post the first time:lol so I'm a idiot because I believe this girls outcry? well you did admit to getting naked in elementary and playing with girls so your response doesn't surprise me one bit.

I hope you don't have any daughters or granddaughters, even nieces. kinda scary that you a)admit to being a creepy kid and b) are so quick to call this girl a liar. what if that was a young girl in your family and she came to you with that outcry 10 years later? if zimmerman didn't have such a checkered past then maaaaaaaybe I could understand where you're coming from with your train of thought. considering everything we've learned about him these past couple months I'm certain this lady and her family are credible.

Shit dude, I was playing spin the bottle with two neighborhood girls when we were in the 5th and 6th grade. Ain't nuthin to it. And I have a healthy well developed daughter and two female grandchildren that are perfectly safe.

And my daughter would have come to me the night it happened and I would have moved heaven and earth to take the boy down if he forced himself on her but that's just not what we are dealing with here.

[Yonivore]

In any event, regardless of if Zimmerman had a checkered past or not, it's completely out of line to demonize the girl. If it comes out that she's lying, then go for it. But for CC to immediately blame her???? It's pretty disturbing.
I haven't been following the trashing of Witness #9 but, you're right, to an extent. If she's two years younger than Zimmerman, she's now a grown woman and could possibly have other motives for bringing this up now.

I think it's quite possibly Angela Corey and this witness conspired to disclose this information knowing it would reduce Zimmerman's chances of receiving a fair trial.

It's not relevant to the murder charge and, that its just now coming to light, tells me its something that was dropped after that restaurant meeting between Zimmerman and her parents way back when. If not, I would suggest this would have been something Witness #9 would have been willing to sing to the hills as soon as Zimmerman was facing any kind of public scrutiny.

The late disclosure smells of calculation.

[CosmicCowboy]

In any event, regardless of if Zimmerman had a checkered past or not, it's completely out of line to demonize the girl. If it comes out that she's lying, then go for it. But for CC to immediately blame her???? It's pretty disturbing.

You fucking pussies.

I'm not blaming her.

I'm saying her story makes no sense.

From her own words there were adults in the next fucking room. If she thought there was something inappropriate going on she had plenty of chance to get help to stop it...better yet? Don't get under that fucking blanket with George in the first place. Problem solved.

[ChumpDumper]

If your daughter came back with this story about a series of assaults that started when she was six, you'd say she liked it and wanted it.

[Trill Clinton]

Shit dude, I was playing spin the bottle with two neighborhood girls when we were in the 5th and 6th grade. Ain't nuthin to it. And I have a healthy well developed daughter and two female grandchildren that are perfectly safe.

And my daughter would have come to me the night it happened and I would have moved heaven and earth to take the boy down if he forced himself on her but that's just not what we are dealing with here.

spin the bottle and innocent kissing is one thing. YOU implied that you've gotten naked somewhere between the age of 5-11 with other children. let's talk about that little nugget of truth you shared with us.

as a father and grandfather I would expect you to take a woman's allegations of rape/molestation more serious. i'm sure you would like to believe your daughters and granddaughters would come to you immediately, that may be the case and it certainly might not be according to statistics.


and she disclosed this information 2 months ago.

[cantthinkofanything]

Trill...humor me with an experiment...

Close your eyes. You're 6 and with your friend at his granddaddy's house. He's played catch with you and let you guys pretend to drive his old Mustang. Things seem nice here...comfortable... Grandma has been gone for years but Grandad has learned to be one hell of a cook. Yep...best barbeque in the county. You stay for dinner and are invited to spend the night. After some football in the backyard...Grandpa says time to shower. Oops...only one working shower... "Well, you just share one with my little Johnny. In fact, make it a bath. Normal to spend time naked with your friends." You're in the shower with Johnny...very uncomfortable. You hear a door creak open. It's Cosmic Cowboy completely naked except for a Penn State football helmet. Open your eyes. You've got a hair lip.

[Yonivore]

If your daughter came back with this story about a series of assaults that started when she was six, you'd blame her and say she liked it.
If my daughter came back with this story, I assure you Zimmerman wouldn't have had an opportunity to live a life of relative obscurity between the time I found out about it and he shot Trayvon Martin.

But, this didn't happen last week, it is alleged to have happened years ago.

I question the timing.

[cantthinkofanything]

Shit dude, I was playing spin the bottle with two neighborhood girls when we were in the 5th and 6th grade. Ain't nuthin to it. And I have a healthy well developed daughter and two female grandchildren that are perfectly safe.

And my daughter would have come to me the night it happened and I would have moved heaven and earth to take the boy down if he forced himself on her but that's just not what we are dealing with here.

Dude...the girl was 6. You don't see the difference?

[Yonivore]

Trill...humor me with an experiment...

Close your eyes. You're 6 and with your friend at his granddaddy's house. He's played catch with you and let you guys pretend to drive his old Mustang. Things seem nice here...comfortable... Grandma has been gone for years but Grandad has learned to be one hell of a cook. Yep...best barbeque in the county. You stay for dinner and are invited to spend the night. After some football in the backyard...Grandpa says time to shower. Oops...only one working shower... "Well, you just share one with my little Johnny. In fact, make it a bath. Normal to spend time naked with your friends." You're in the shower with Johnny...very uncomfortable. You hear a door creak open. It's Cosmic Cowboy completely naked except for a Penn State football helmet. Open your eyes. You've got a hair lip.
You owe me a fucking keyboard!

[Trill Clinton]

Trill...humor me with an experiment...

Close your eyes. You're 6 and with your friend at his granddaddy's house. He's played catch with you and let you guys pretend to drive his old Mustang. Things seem nice here...comfortable... Grandma has been gone for years but Grandad has learned to be one hell of a cook. Yep...best barbeque in the county. You stay for dinner and are invited to spend the night. After some football in the backyard...Grandpa says time to shower. Oops...only one working shower... "Well, you just share one with my little Johnny. In fact, make it a bath. Normal to spend time naked with your friends." You're in the shower with Johnny...very uncomfortable. You hear a door creak open. It's Cosmic Cowboy completely naked except for a Penn State football helmet. Open your eyes. You've got a hair lip.

:rollin:rollin:rollin:nope

[CosmicCowboy]

spin the bottle and innocent kissing is one thing. YOU implied that you've gotten naked somewhere between the age of 5-11 with other children. let's talk about that little nugget of truth you shared with us.

as a father and grandfather I would expect you to take a woman's allegations of rape/molestation more serious. i'm sure you would like to believe your daughters and granddaughters would come to you immediately, that may be the case and it certainly might not be according to statistics.


and she disclosed this information 2 months ago.

No, it was spin the bottle and take something off when it pointed at you. We all ended up naked multiple times but hugs and pecks on the cheek were as far as it went till we were older.

[ChumpDumper]

If my daughter came back with this story, I assure you Zimmerman wouldn't have had an opportunity to live a life of relative obscurity between the time I found out about it and he shot Trayvon Martin.

But, this didn't happen last week, it is alleged to have happened years ago.

I question the timing.Of course you do. You have to defend Zimmerman at all costs.

[Yonivore]

Dude...the girl was 6. You don't see the difference?
When he was 8, and 16 when he was 18.

I wouldn't be too eager to make this into a crime until you have more facts. A lot of long-term consensual relationships turn into statutory rape when Dad finds out and daughter is afraid to tell the truth.

We don't have enough information to know what occurred. But, what I can say, is it's not germane to the murder trial and its disclosure could only serve to bias a jury pool against Zimmerman.

[Trill Clinton]

No, it was spin the bottle and take something off when it pointed at you. We all ended up naked multiple times but hugs and pecks on the cheek were as far as it went till we were older.

sure:wakeup

[CosmicCowboy]

Dude...the girl was 6. You don't see the difference?

The girl was 6 and the boy was 8. Is it that different? Shit, don't believe me...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=playing+doctor+normal%3F

Understand, Zimmy was slightly older and going for stinkfinger was a little much and the alleged annual reunion under the blanket was a little disconcerting but rape it wasn't.

[cantthinkofanything]

When he was 8, and 16 when he was 18.

I wouldn't be too eager to make this into a crime until you have more facts. A lot of long-term consensual relationships turn into statutory rape when Dad finds out and daughter is afraid to tell the truth.

We don't have enough information to know what occurred. But, what I can say, is it's not germane to the murder trial and its disclosure could only serve to bias a jury pool against Zimmerman.

I'm not saying with 100% surety that it happened. My problem is with Cosmic Cocksucker with his dubious past and one dollar psychology degree immediately blaming the girl for coming out with the story and being ignorant to the rights of sexual victims.

[cantthinkofanything]

The girl was 6 and the boy was 8. Is it that different? Shit, don't believe me...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=playing+doctor+normal%3F

Understand, Zimmy was slightly older and going for stinkfinger was a little much and the alleged annual reunion under the blanket was a little disconcerting but rape it wasn't.

Here...this is from the Google search you gave me:


When sex play is not normal. How do you tell when the line has been crossed from innocent, childish curiosity that needs to be handled with understanding and explanations into abnormal behavior that needs serious attention? It's important for parents to know how to tell when one child is victimizing another. Here are suspicious signs:


One child entices or forces the other into sex play.
There is an age difference of more than three years between children.
The sex play is not appropriate: for example, oral-genital contact between a six-year-old and a three-year-old.
The event occurs more than once despite your careful intervention and supervision. These are grounds to protect your child from another by terminating the friendship. If the sex play is between siblings, seek professional help.

[Trill Clinton]

http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww147/TheWafflePimp/GIFs/lenny.gif

[Yonivore]

I'm not saying with 100% surety that it happened. My problem is with Cosmic Cocksucker with his dubious past and one dollar psychology degree immediately blaming the girl for coming out with the story and being ignorant to the rights of sexual victims.
I get that but, his antics aside, I'm not sure the woman's story deserved to be accepted uncritically given the timing of the disclosure and the absence of any prosecution of Zimmerman, over the allegation, prior to today.

I blame Angela Corey.

I think she knows her 2nd Degree Murder charge won't pass muster at trial and, so, she's working overtime make Zimmerman into a boogey man a typical juror wouldn't lose sleep over sending to jail, even if he didn't commit murder.

You're already convinced.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not saying with 100% surety that it happened. My problem is with Cosmic Cocksucker with his dubious past and one dollar psychology degree immediately blaming the girl for coming out with the story and being ignorant to the rights of sexual victims.

:lmao

I didn't blame the girl. I said if she REALLY didn't like it she had MANY options to avoid or prevent it.

Like not getting under the blanket with George for starters.

Maybe not at 6, but 16?????? REALLY?

[Trill Clinton]

I get that but, his antics aside, I'm not sure the woman's story deserved to be accepted uncritically given the timing of the disclosure and the absence of any prosecution of Zimmerman, over the allegation, prior to today.

I blame Angela Corey.

I think she knows her 2nd Degree Murder charge won't pass muster at trial and, so, she's working overtime make Zimmerman into a boogey man a typical juror wouldn't lose sleep over sending to jail, even if he didn't commit murder.

You're already convinced.

witness 9 made the outcry 2 months ago. the prosecution has been releasing bits of various witness statements and findings for about a month now. findings about zimmerman's past were released when the case first broke. no need in questioning corey when she's been releasing information. its not like this is the first time she's done this.

I know its a hard pill to swallow. the guy you've been defending is now a chester molester but it is what it is. if you're comfortable defending a man of zimmermans cloth then so be it. corey doesn't have to work overtime to make him look like a boogey man, he did this to hisself.

[Trill Clinton]

CC I bet you blame women who get raped because they should have done x,y, z to prevent it.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC I bet you blame women who get raped because they should have done x,y, z to prevent it.

I'll bet you are really really wrong and really really stupid.

In fact I'm sure of it.

I think getting under the blanket with George time after time and expecting a different result is almost as stupid as you are.

Almost.

[Yonivore]

witness 9 made the outcry 2 months ago. the prosecution has been releasing bits of various witness statements and findings for about a month now. findings about zimmerman's past were released when the case first broke. no need in questioning corey when she's been releasing information. its not like this is the first time she's done this.

I know its a hard pill to swallow. the guy you've been defending is now a chester molester but it is what it is. if you're comfortable defending a man of zimmermans cloth then so be it. corey doesn't have to work overtime to make him look like a boogey man, he did this to hisself.
I've not been defending him; I've always allowed Zimmerman could be guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin. But, I just believe -- based on all the evidence available to the public -- what occurred that night closely aligns with Zimmerman's version of events. That's it. And, my opinion of that hasn't changed.

I love the use of the legalese "outcry." Seriously? Witness #9 hasn't had an opportunity before two weeks ago, before Angela Corey, before Trayvon Martin's shooting, to make her "outcry?"

Her allegations require a whole separate prosecution and I would suggest she file a criminal complaint with the District Attorney having jurisdiction over the alleged crime and pursue it. Angela Corey is a special prosecutor with the specific duty to try the case involving Zimmerman's shooting of Martin. Disclosures, by her, about past, unproven, behavior are irrelevant, prejudicial, and probably unethical...but, then, so was her sham of an arrest affidavit.

Unless they're able to extort a plea bargain out of Zimmerman, the murder charge goes the way of the Duke LaCrosse rape charges. After that, I bet nothing comes of the other character smears made during the whole ordeal. But, that's only if the extortion fails. It's quite possible they'll get a plea out of Zimmerman...and, no one benefits from that, except Corey.

[Yonivore]

If Zimmerman had been molesting Witness #9, consistently and persistently, over a period of 10 years; at the bottom of my question list is Why isn't Zimmerman in jail?

First question is:

"Why didn't her parents pursue criminal prosecution?"

"Why didn't local authorities (if it was reported) pursue criminal prosecution?"

"What missing from her account that results in no criminal prosecution of Zimmerman and him being left alone over the intervening years?"

"What evidence is there that any of her allegations are true?"

"What was hers and Zimmerman's relationship, otherwise?"

But, forgive me for not just uncritically accepting Zimmerman is child molester because Angela Corey releases information -- unrelated to her charge -- from an unnamed Witness #9.

[Trill Clinton]

I've not been defending him; I've always allowed Zimmerman could be guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin. But, I just believe -- based on all the evidence available to the public -- what occurred that night closely aligns with Zimmerman's version of events. That's it. And, my opinion of that hasn't changed.

I love the use of the legalese "outcry." Seriously? Witness #9 hasn't had an opportunity before two weeks ago, before Angela Corey, before Trayvon Martin's shooting, to make her "outcry?"

Her allegations require a whole separate prosecution and I would suggest she file a criminal complaint with the District Attorney having jurisdiction over the alleged crime and pursue it. Angela Corey is a special prosecutor with the specific duty to try the case involving Zimmerman's shooting of Martin. Disclosures, by her, about past, unproven, behavior are irrelevant, prejudicial, and probably unethical...but, then, so was her sham of an arrest affidavit.

Unless they're able to extort a plea bargain out of Zimmerman, the murder charge goes the way of the Duke LaCrosse rape charges. After that, I bet nothing comes of the other character smears made during the whole ordeal. But, that's only if the extortion fails. It's quite possible they'll get a plea out of Zimmerman...and, no one benefits from that, except Corey.

to the bold: of course he is going to paint a picture that makes him look like the victim here, so it is very likely he'll get off. also this is Florida, their justice system don't have a good track record(casey anthony).

its very plausible that she feels confident because zimmerman may be put in prison for a considerable amount of time. again, most victims are terrified of their perpetrators for years after the molestation took place. same reason so many of the sandusky victims came out years down the line, its not an easy thing to do obviously. how can she extort him when he has no money? he was sleeping on his daddy's couch@28, he broke.

bringing up character witnesses and a person's past is common in court cases and Corey isn't doing anything out of the ordinary.

[Trill Clinton]

I'll bet you are really really wrong and really really stupid.

In fact I'm sure of it.

I think getting under the blanket with George time after time and expecting a different result is almost as stupid as you are.

Almost.

I also bet as a kid you had no problem stripping butt ass naked with other children.

[Yonivore]

to the bold: of course he is going to paint a picture that makes him look like the victim here, so it is very likely he'll get off. also this is Florida, their justice system don't have a good track record(casey anthony).
You're missing the point. It's not the picture he's painting but that of the known facts that tend to agree with his version of events.


its very plausible that she feels confident because zimmerman may be put in prison for a considerable amount of time. again, most victims are terrified of their perpetrators for years after the molestation took place. same reason so many of the sandusky victims came out years down the line, its not an easy thing to do obviously. how can she extort him when he has no money? he was sleeping on his daddy's couch@28, he broke.
I thought she told her parents at 16. Cats out of the bag then...where's the criminal prosecution when he was 18? And, I meant extort in the sense Corey is extorting a plea -- not Victim #9 extorting money.


bringing up character witnesses and a person's past is common in court cases and Corey isn't doing anything out of the ordinary.
A) We're not in court and B) any attempt by Corey to present Witness #9 in a court of law to testify to Zimmerman's character would be stopped because, 1) The crime she alleges hasn't been proven, 2) testimony on unproven past behavior is inadmissible unless it relates directly to the crime being tried or to motive, and 3) Corey knows this.

The only reason for the disclosure is to taint a potential jury. Period.

[Trill Clinton]

You're missing the point. It's not the picture he's painting but that of the known facts that tend to agree with his version of events.


I thought she told her parents at 16. Cats out of the bag then...where's the criminal prosecution when he was 18? And, I meant extort in the sense Corey is extorting a plea -- not Victim #9 extorting money.


A) We're not in court and B) any attempt by Corey to present Witness #9 in a court of law to testify to Zimmerman's character would be stopped because, 1) The crime she alleges hasn't been proven, 2) testimony on unproven past behavior is inadmissible unless it relates directly to the crime being tried or to motive, and 3) Corey knows this.

The only reason for the disclosure is to taint a potential jury. Period.

the facts you speak of can go either way. In my eyes, trayvon was walking home, talking to his gf and bringing his brother candy and tea. he was followed and in fear for his life then cornered and shot. that's how I view it.

she told her parents at 16 and told the investigators 2 months ago. just like we're seeing in this here thread, meny people wouldn't have believed her because it would be he say/she say.

and Corey's tactics are fair and ethical.

[Capt Bringdown]

If Zimmerman had been molesting Witness #9, consistently and persistently, over a period of 10 years; at the bottom of my question list is Why isn't Zimmerman in jail?

First question is:

"Why didn't her parents pursue criminal prosecution?"

"Why didn't local authorities (if it was reported) pursue criminal prosecution?"

"What missing from her account that results in no criminal prosecution of Zimmerman and him being left alone over the intervening years?"

"What evidence is there that any of her allegations are true?"

"What was hers and Zimmerman's relationship, otherwise?"

But, forgive me for not just uncritically accepting Zimmerman is child molester because Angela Corey releases information -- unrelated to her charge -- from an unnamed Witness #9.

Investigators asked the woman why she was coming forward now. "This is the first time in my life that I'm not afraid of him," she replied.

[Yonivore]

Investigators asked the woman why she was coming forward now. "This is the first time in my life that I'm not afraid of him," she replied.
What's her parents' excuse?

[Yonivore]

the facts you speak of can go either way. In my eyes, trayvon was walking home, talking to his gf and bringing his brother candy and tea. he was followed and in fear for his life then cornered...
Cornered? Where? Are you even familiar with the layout of the scene?

From the time Zimmerman exclaimed to the 911 operator "Shit! He ran" to the end of the conversation is more than 2 minutes. If, in fact, Martin was running -- hell, walking fast, he was less than a minute from his condominium and just a few seconds from where the shooting occurred.

What was Martin doing for the remainder of Zimmerman's call with the 911 operator?

That's the most damning piece of evidence. Time.

Martin was never more than a few seconds from the safety of his home and yet, more than two minutes after he took off running he found himself less than a few seconds away from where he started running.

Explain that.


...and shot. that's how I view it.
Additionally, what Martin (or Zimmerman for that matter) was doing prior to the altercation that resulted in the shooting is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if Martin was innocently walking home or casing houses. It doesn't matter if Zimmerman playing cowboy or if he was innocently doing what he thought was the right thing in a neighborhood plagued by property crimes. None of that matters.

What matters is who accosted who and whether or not it is reasonable to believe Zimmerman feared for his life and shot Martin in self-defense.

The time between Martin running and being shot tells me he didn't go home when he had the opportunity. The injuries suffered by Zimmerman tell me he was getting beat up pretty good and that a reasonable person might fear great bodily harm or death if he didn't stop the assault.


she told her parents at 16 and told the investigators 2 months ago. just like we're seeing in this here thread, meny people wouldn't have believed her because it would be he say/she say.
What's her parents excuse?


and Corey's tactics are fair and ethical.
Sure.

[clambake]

Investigators asked the woman why she was coming forward now. "This is the first time in my life that I'm not afraid of him," she replied.

boom

[Yonivore]

...meny people wouldn't have believed her because it would be he say/she say.
Isn't it still he said, she said?

Again, what's the reason Angelo Corey disclosed this unproven allegation?

[clambake]

she said she's not afraid anymore.

she's at least as believable as george.

[Capt Bringdown]

What's her parents' excuse?

If the allegations are true, this family was victimized. They are not in the wrong, and have nothing to answer for.

Do you also blame the parents of child sexual abuse victims in the various cases that have come to light recently involving the Catholic church?

Often we see that the allegations take years to come to surface because the victims are afraid and ashamed to talk to anyone about it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's pretty obvious that Yoni has no experience with victims of abuse.

[Wild Cobra]

I can't believe all this discussion over what a girl says happened from when she was 8 to 16 years old. It's very common for women to lie to their parents when caught. To say this happened one way or another is beyond stupidity. This is a he-said-she-said, and no way to prove either way.

[Wild Cobra]

the guy you've been defending is now a chester molester
OMG...

Are you really that dumb?

Less than two years difference in age...

[Wild Cobra]

The only reason for the disclosure is to taint a potential jury. Period.
Yep.

There can be no other reason but to give perspective jurors another reason to lie to be an active juror to see him go to jail.

[Wild Cobra]

Do any of you libtards believe in justice?

[Jacob1983]

What about tolerance and equality? Aren't those two major parts in the liberal movement?

[Wild Cobra]

What about tolerance and equality? Aren't those two major parts in the liberal movement?

No shit.

They are acting as if women are defenseless.

[ChumpDumper]

I can't believe all this discussion over what a girl says happened from when she was 8 to 16 years old. It's very common for women to lie to their parents when caught.When was she "caught"?

[CosmicCowboy]

It doesn't really matter. None of this will be admissable in a Florida Court.

[Clipper Nation]

No shit.

They are acting as if women are defenseless.

And you're acting like a naive dumbass for not considering the fact that people in an abusive relationship are often too scared to leave....

[DisAsTerBot]

she said she's not afraid anymore.

she's at least as believable as george.

ha, so according to you, not believable at all :tu

[elbamba]

It doesn't really matter. None of this will be admissable in a Florida Court.

Disagree. It might not be admissible but this hurts Zimmerman's case way worse than purjury or anything else that has happened subsequent to the shooting of Martin. This is the kind of prejudicial evidence that can lead to a mistrial in my opinion.

One of the associates I work with suggested that she thinks the prosecutor will eventually drop the case and that they released this as sort of an FU to Zimmerman.

[clambake]

ha, so according to you, not believable at all :tu

no, according to you, very believable.

[Capt Bringdown]

It doesn't really matter. None of this will be admissable in a Florida Court.

Not unless the defense opens the door by introducing evidence that GZ is a person of good character. If the defense opens the door, you will be able to hear a garbage truck backing up to the courtroom door with a load of bad character evidence to be provided in damning detail by W9 and anyone else they can find between now and the trial. According to W9, btw, there is another victim, but she is reluctant to come forward. Who knows, she might change her mind. For example, think of the recently concluded Sandusky case.

[DisAsTerBot]

no, according to you, very believable.

:rollin, because I said she's as believable as george. Fucking insane

[CosmicCowboy]

It will be inadmissable. I cut and pasted this from a former Florida prosecutor that is now a defense atorney...


The evidence would inadmissible in Florida as it violates the Williams Rule. Williams v. State is the 1959 Florida Supreme Court ruling pertaining to "similar fact evidence." The cite is Williams v. State, 110 So. 2d 654, (Fla. 1959). I am a former Florida prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney. I am very familiar with Williams Rule evidence and successfully argued as recently as two weeks ago that evidence which ran afoul of the Williams case was inadmissible in a trial (which I won). Here's the link for the Williams case on
Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3041833513271880148&q=williams+v.+state&hl=en&as_sdt=2%2C10

williams v. state - Google Scholar

[Frank Dux]

Multiple assault charges
Assaulting a police officer
Resisting arrest
Bullying cowokers
Lying under oath
Sexual molestation

Remind me who the thug in this case is again?

[Creepn]

^ waits for wild cobra's response to this.

[elbamba]

It will be inadmissable. I cut and pasted this from a former Florida prosecutor that is now a defense atorney...


The evidence would inadmissible in Florida as it violates the Williams Rule. Williams v. State is the 1959 Florida Supreme Court ruling pertaining to "similar fact evidence." The cite is Williams v. State, 110 So. 2d 654, (Fla. 1959). I am a former Florida prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney. I am very familiar with Williams Rule evidence and successfully argued as recently as two weeks ago that evidence which ran afoul of the Williams case was inadmissible in a trial (which I won). Here's the link for the Williams case on
Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3041833513271880148&q=williams+v.+state&hl=en&as_sdt=2%2C10

williams v. state - Google Scholar

The point is that the damage is already done. Whether it gets in or not.

[clambake]

so, you're saying that if the defense trots up a bunch of family and friends telling the court how wonderful george is, the prosecution can't do the opposite?

not buying that. ever heard of refuting evidence?

[Blake]

so, you're saying that if the defense trots up a bunch of family and friends telling the court how wonderful george is, the prosecution can't do the opposite?

not buying that. ever heard of refuting evidence?

Character witnesses

[CosmicCowboy]

so, you're saying that if the defense trots up a bunch of family and friends telling the court how wonderful george is, the prosecution can't do the opposite?

not buying that. ever heard of refuting evidence?

No.

I just quoted what a former prosecutor in Florida and current defense attorney in Florida said.

Argue with him.

[cantthinkofanything]

It will be inadmissable. I cut and pasted this from a former Florida prosecutor that is now a defense atorney...


The evidence would inadmissible in Florida as it violates the Williams Rule. Williams v. State is the 1959 Florida Supreme Court ruling pertaining to "similar fact evidence." The cite is Williams v. State, 110 So. 2d 654, (Fla. 1959). I am a former Florida prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney. I am very familiar with Williams Rule evidence and successfully argued as recently as two weeks ago that evidence which ran afoul of the Williams case was inadmissible in a trial (which I won). Here's the link for the Williams case on
Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3041833513271880148&q=williams+v.+state&hl=en&as_sdt=2%2C10

williams v. state - Google Scholar


No.

I just quoted what a former prosecutor in Florida and current defense attorney in Florida said.

Argue with him.

No, you said it will be inadmissible.

[Blake]

No, you said it will be inadmissible.

It won't be admitted because it's not evidence of anything related to this case.

As elbamba alluded to, it's been admitted into the court of public opinion......which in this case is worse for Zimmerman.

[cantthinkofanything]

It won't be admitted because it's not evidence of anything related to this case.

As elbamba alluded to, it's been admitted into the court of public opinion......which in this case is worse for Zimmerman.

Not arguing the validity of the statement. Just pointing out the CC represented it as fact and then backtracked saying he didn't say it.

[johnsmith]

Already worse than the Casey Anthony trial and this one hasn't even started yet.

I wonder where the riots will be if he's found not guilty?

[cantthinkofanything]

Already worse than the Casey Anthony trial and this one hasn't even started yet.

I wonder where the riots will be if he's found not guilty?

oh...I think it'll be easy to narrow down

[CosmicCowboy]

No, you said it will be inadmissible.

Fine, I said it based on the opinion and case law cited by a former prosecutor and current defense attorney in Florida, not the opinion of some blowhard asswipe on an internet messageboard.

[Wild Cobra]

And you're acting like a naive dumbass for not considering the fact that people in an abusive relationship are often too scared to leave....
No, they are treating the allegations as fact. I am only but pointing out alternative possibilities, and keep an open mind to this being either way.

[elbamba]

so, you're saying that if the defense trots up a bunch of family and friends telling the court how wonderful george is, the prosecution can't do the opposite?

not buying that. ever heard of refuting evidence?

Rebuttle witnesses are usually allowed but there testimony has to be relevant and it cannot be prejudicial, especially in criminal cases. Usually, you can only use crimes from the past if they deal with honesty. For example, if Zimmerman is prosecuted for perjury, his perjury could be used against him if he testifies as it would go to show that he is untrustworthy.

If you read the girl's testimony, it offers very little with respect to what happened the night Martin was shoot and whether or not Zimmerman was standing his ground. You cannot just parade evidence that the defendant is a bad person. The prosecution must present evidence that supports a second degree murder charge. An allegation of rape does not support this and is highly prejudicial. It cannot go to his character as it is completely undocumented.

Her closest comment that would be considered relevant is that the family doesn't like black people unless they act white. Of course, the family is not on trial and she could not cite a single instance that supports Zimmerman was racist. She did say that his Mom does not like Obama. Of course, Obama is white so that defeats that argument.

[elbamba]

Already worse than the Casey Anthony trial and this one hasn't even started yet.

I wonder where the riots will be if he's found not guilty?

The better question will be what happens if the prosecution drops the case. Which they very well could if witness 9 is the best evidence they have.

[clambake]

Rebuttle witnesses are usually allowed but there testimony has to be relevant and it cannot be prejudicial, especially in criminal cases. Usually, you can only use crimes from the past if they deal with honesty. For example, if Zimmerman is prosecuted for perjury, his perjury could be used against him if he testifies as it would go to show that he is untrustworthy.

If you read the girl's testimony, it offers very little with respect to what happened the night Martin was shoot and whether or not Zimmerman was standing his ground. You cannot just parade evidence that the defendant is a bad person. The prosecution must present evidence that supports a second degree murder charge. An allegation of rape does not support this and is highly prejudicial. It cannot go to his character as it is completely undocumented.

Her closest comment that would be considered relevant is that the family doesn't like black people unless they act white. Of course, the family is not on trial and she could not cite a single instance that supports Zimmerman was racist. She did say that his Mom does not like Obama. Of course, Obama is white so that defeats that argument.

i did not read her testimony. just used it as an example should the defense line up a bunch of character witnesses.

can't see him testifying. tbh that would be subject to opening many doors, if the prosecution has any talent at all.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No.

I just quoted what a former prosecutor in Florida and current defense attorney in Florida said.

Argue with him.

I remember you quoting Dershowitz as well. He is reaffirming what he has argued which is equivalent to masturbation. Could you point us to the salient portions of the decision are or are you just going to leave it at anonymous lawyer?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, they are treating the allegations as fact. I am only but pointing out alternative possibilities, and keep an open mind to this being either way.

You forgot to add 'as long as it doesn't stop me from blaming the black kid.'

[Wild Cobra]

You forgot to add 'as long as it doesn't stop me from blaming the black kid.'

There you go showing your bigotry again.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There you go showing your bigotry again.

Speaking of bigotry:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6019156&postcount=227

[Wild Cobra]

Speaking of bigotry:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6019156&postcount=227
Are you saying that using statistical facts is a form of bigotry?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you saying that using statistical facts is a form of bigotry?

yeah all of that was based on stats.

You said black people were lazy. You said that they were not as well spoken. You said that they did not want to better themselves and instead get handouts. You said you don't like most blacks.

Yeah that all was based on statistical analysis.

Dear spaghetti monster, you are a coward as much as you are an asshole bigot.

I can back that up with stats too. DERP!!

[Wild Cobra]

yeah all of that was based on stats.

You said black people were lazy. You said that they were not as well spoken. You said that they did not want to better themselves and instead get handouts.
Liar.

I said no such thing.

Show me the exact quote you are taking out of context and i will explain it to your pea-brain.

You said you don't like most blacks.

I also said I don't like most whites.

I think it's safe to say I don't like most people I meet.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I cannot believe how much of a coward you are. If you want to know where you said that click the link. You're reminding me of aspie claiming that he never said he thought he had aspergers.

Click the link it's right there. You even go so far as to say that there is a difference between the races after saying derogatory things about black folks.

You are a scary combination of dumb and delusional willful ignorance.

[Wild Cobra]

I cannot believe how much of a coward you are. If you want to know where you said that click the link. You're reminding me of aspie claiming that he never said he thought he had aspergers.

Click the link it's right there. You even go so far as to say that there is a difference between the races after saying derogatory things about black folks.

You are a scary combination of dumb and delusional willful ignorance.
Why are you so fucking stupid? If you mean the sentence "Blacks tend not to," then I suggest you do some fact checking as to words and phrase meanings. It's a generalization based on statistics, and not a statement that carries fact for all. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Period. However, my observations of life over these last many decades tell me that in general, blacks are lazier as a class as other races.

What other observations and or fact that show poorly on a class do you want to call racist, bigotry, etc? Does using the statistics that show blacks commit more crime per capita than whites mean one is racist?

My God man... Grow up. Stop being butthurt over the truth.

[Creepn]

Why are you so fucking stupid? If you mean the sentence "Blacks tend not to," then I suggest you do some fact checking as to words and phrase meanings. It's a generalization based on statistics, and not a statement that carries fact for all. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Period. However, my observations of life over these last many decades tell me that in general, blacks are lazier as a class as other races.

What other observations and or fact that show poorly on a class do you want to call racist, bigotry, etc? Does using the statistics that show blacks commit more crime per capita than whites mean one is racist?

My God man... Grow up. Stop being butthurt over the truth.

Fuck you and your pathetic little black and white world you live in. I hope your world gets sucked in by a blackhole one day.

[Blake]

I also said I don't like most whites.

I think it's safe to say I don't like most people I meet.

You could have just said you don't like most people.

But you separated them into colors first.

© Wild Cobra

[Wild Cobra]

You could have just said you don't like most people.

But you separated them into colors first.

© Wild Cobra

It's how I separate the wanna-be Jesse Jackson's and wanna-be Al Sharpton's. See people's prejudicial reactions at work. So many people here are prejudicial, it's ridiculous. Where is the acceptance the left keeps preaching to all? Why can't you all accept that I refuse to be a politically correct lemming?

[jack sommerset]

Zimmerman issued another apology. He said he prays for the family every day. God bless

[DMC]

I used to love them, but I had to kill them.

[clambake]

Zimmerman issued another apology. He said he prays for the family every day. God bless

he just lying again.

[clambake]

he wasn't praying when he was blowin through that cash! lol