Shooting in Batman premiere?

[da_suns_fan]

What about the rest of us who are not crazy?
I have 9 pistols, 2 rifles, a shotgun and about 25k ammo but I choose not to go to crowded places and shoot everyone.
Why should I lose my right just because a mentally unstable person chose to do wrong?

:rolleyes

Because people go crazy all the time.

I doubt this kid PLANNED on going crazy someday. We have no idea what his mental health is. But I think its fair to say we dont entirely understand how the brain works and what leads to this type of meltdown.

You might not be a danger because youre mentally stable. But if you did have a nervous breakdown (or whatever), a lot people could be in danger.

Thats not a direct swipe at you, rather anyone who owns firearms.

Thats why its irresponsible to allow semi-automatic weapons to the masses. Humans are inherently too unpredictable.

[mavs>spurs]

:rolleyes

Because people go crazy all the time.

I doubt this kid PLANNED on going crazy someday. We have no idea what his mental health is. But I think its fair to say we dont entirely understand how the brain works and what leads to this type of meltdown.

You might not be a danger because youre mentally stable. But if you did have a nervous breakdown (or whatever), a lot people could be in danger.

Thats not a direct swipe at you, rather anyone who owns firearms.

Thats why its irresponsible to allow semi-automatic weapons to the masses. Humans are inherently too unpredictable.

were they unpredictable back in 1776 whenever we became a free people thanks to gun ownership rights?

[WeNeedLength]

Someone mentioned he bought all his guns at Bass Pro Shop. Link?

Do they actually sell assault rifles there? If so, that's pretty dumb...

[Spurtacus]

aEaBsDnwS9s

LhqUk28OwHs

[DMC]

Problem: the black market doesn't have background checks, and that's where the crazies will go if all guns were to be banned....
The problem with background checks is that a dealer has the right to check your background, but the average citizen does not have such right. I can sell my gun to my neighbor and I couldn't do a background check even if I wanted to. It would be an invasion of privacy to do so.

In the future there could be a requirement where two parties who wish to to a firearm transaction have to have a dealer involved for the background check, but that would require registration of serial numbers and that's probably not going to happen. Nazi Germany screwed that pooch already.

[djohn2oo8]

Someone mentioned he bought all his guns at Bass Pro Shop. Link?

Do they actually sell assault rifles there? If so, that's pretty dumb...
I've seem them there and at Academy.

[Clipper Nation]

Thats why its irresponsible to allow semi-automatic weapons to the masses. Humans are inherently too unpredictable.

Humans are too unpredictable, yet you want to preemptively take everyone's guns away IN CASE they go crazy (even though you can't predict if they'll go crazy at all, and if they do, you can't predict how the insanity would manifest itself).... you don't see an issue with that logic?

[Nathan89]

Of course you can.

But its A LOT harder than just driving to Bass Pro Shop.

"A LOT harder" means basically nothing in preventing something like this. TBH, I think you're overstating the raise in difficulty in obtaining the guns. In reality it wouldn't really deter these people from either getting a gun or killing masses in other ways.

[DMC]

Someone mentioned he bought all his guns at Bass Pro Shop. Link?

Do they actually sell assault rifles there? If so, that's pretty dumb...
He didn't have an assault rifle.

An assault rifle is an automatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_firearm) rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) that uses an intermediate cartridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_cartridges) and a detachable magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearms%29).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#cite_note-0) Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_arms) in most modern armies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army). Assault rifles are categorized in between light machine guns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_machine_gun), which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submachine_gun), which fire a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
Examples of assault rifles include the StG 44 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44), AK-47 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47),[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#cite_note-1) M16 rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle), QBZ-95 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBZ-95), Heckler & Koch G36 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36), and Enfield SA80 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80).


Having an AK look alike doesn't mean you have an assault rifle. What he had was no different technically than a semi-auto deer rifle.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

that will be the least of your worries considering there would be a civil war before they ever took away our 2nd amendment.

People better believe it. Shit will hit the fan.

[ChumpDumper]

aEaBsDnwS9sSerious question: Do you actually believe Alex Jones' bullshit?

[da_suns_fan]

were they unpredictable back in 1776 whenever we became a free people thanks to gun ownership rights?

Yep, but you couldnt shoot 70 people in span of five minutes in 1776.

Thats why there was no such thing as "mass shootings" until the 1940s.

[Nathan89]

DA_suns_fan cuts his steak with a butter-knife imho.

[mavs>spurs]

Do you realize that Alex has over 20 million listeners weekly?

[mavs>spurs]

Yep, but you couldnt shoot 70 people in span of five minutes in 1776.

Thats why there was no such thing as "mass shootings" until the 1940s.

crofl crofl crofl the mob had automatic weapons and would murder people all the time. it's a societal problem, not a gun problem. guns don't kill people, people do.

[Clipper Nation]

Yep, but you couldnt shoot 70 people in span of five minutes in 1776.

And the vast majority of people don't shoot 70 people in the span of five minutes in 2012.....

[ChumpDumper]

Do you realize that Alex has over 20 million listeners weekly?I heard him say something like that.

You didn't answer my question.

[Nathan89]

Yep, but you couldnt shoot 70 people in span of five minutes in 1776.

Thats why there was no such thing as "mass shootings" until the 1940s.

The internet allows people access to the instructions to making bombs.

Take away the internet.

[Clipper Nation]

Do you realize that Alex has over 20 million listeners weekly?

And 19,000,000 of those people probably listen ironically.... :lol

[mavs>spurs]

america has the highest violent crime rates and most people imprisoned by far of any other developed nation. many of those crimes involve no gun at all. we've become a sick, fucked up society for whatever reason, it's time we looked at ourselves and the way we raise our children rather than trying to find a scapegoat. let's face it, the average american is selfish, immoral scum who are too lazy to raise their kids properly. 3 year olds in the theatre what a bunch of bullshit.

[DisAsTerBot]

He didn't have an assault rifle.




Having an AK look alike doesn't mean you have an assault rifle. What he had was no different technically than a semi-auto deer rifle.

thank you, obviously said people know nothing of the evil guns they hate so much.

[mavs>spurs]

to put things into perspective, check out how many people we incarcerate here in this country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration

it's a societal problem.

[ChumpDumper]

america has the highest violent crime rates and most people imprisoned by far of any other developed nation. many of those crimes involve no gun at all. we've become a sick, fucked up society for whatever reason, it's time we looked at ourselves and the way we raise our children rather than trying to find a scapegoat.Then why did you try to scapegoat government psyops?

[da_suns_fan]

Humans are too unpredictable, yet you want to preemptively take everyone's guns away IN CASE they go crazy (even though you can't predict if they'll go crazy at all, and if they do, you can't predict how the insanity would manifest itself).... you don't see an issue with that logic?

Nope. Its not illogical and plenty of other nations have taken the steps to outlaw semi-automatics.

People are unpredictable. We take risks like driving even though people are unpredictable, but we dont need to arm the public with mass killing tools when it just takes one guy to go ape-shit and 70 people who went to go see "Batman" get shot for no apparent reason.

Again, this is WHY we ban bombs, grenades, missiles and other machines whose sole purpose is to cause mass death.

[Spurs da champs]

Insanity connotes some kind of uncontrollable compulsion. From what little I know, this guy made a clear choice.

[mavs>spurs]

out of all developed, civilized nations we lead the pack

http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-top-ten-countries/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.jpg

the vast majority of those crimes are committed without a gun too

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

america has the highest violent crime rates and most people imprisoned by far of any other developed nation. many of those crimes involve no gun at all. we've become a sick, fucked up society for whatever reason, it's time we looked at ourselves and the way we raise our children rather than trying to find a scapegoat. let's face it, the average american is selfish, immoral scum who are too lazy to raise their kids properly. 3 year olds in the theatre what a bunch of bullshit.

Sadly, this is a very real statement. Although, it's to be expected that there are idiotic parents that would have their kids out that late for a Batman movie that isn't made for children.

[Clipper Nation]

Nope. Its not illogical and plenty of other nations have taken the steps to outlaw semi-automatics.

And it's done nothing to stop gun crimes... in fact, they've increased, and so have knife crimes.......

[RollingStoned]

It was this guys fault.

http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ds-photo/getty/article/165/83/87532625_XS.jpg

[mavs>spurs]

guns save lives

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-07-07/news/chi-100707boomgarden_briefs_1_gun-crimes-accidental-deaths-study

[HI-FI]

america has the highest violent crime rates and most people imprisoned by far of any other developed nation. many of those crimes involve no gun at all. we've become a sick, fucked up society for whatever reason, it's time we looked at ourselves and the way we raise our children rather than trying to find a scapegoat. let's face it, the average american is selfish, immoral scum who are too lazy to raise their kids properly. 3 year olds in the theatre what a bunch of bullshit.

something is going wrong. there's just a lack of respect all the way around. maybe we don't stand up to bullies enough anymore, or look the other way at people who are flagrant assholes. too many people bringing kids into this world that really shouldn't.

i wouldn't say i'm pro gun rights, but i also don't like the idea of the state having a monopoly on them either. the truth is our society is rotting, has been for awhile.

[da_suns_fan]

The internet allows people access to the instructions to making bombs.

Take away the internet.

Again, its much more difficult for someone to construct a home-made bomb capable of killing 12 and putting 50 others in the hospital (while not blowing yourself up), moving the bomb, detonating the bomb etc than simply driving to Bass Pro shop and putting a couple glocks on a credit card.

This is why they say bomb makers have a "signature". If they successfully create a bomb, they tend to stick to that exact formula for making the bomb since they didnt blow themselves up the first time and bomb-making is extremely dangerous.

[Clipper Nation]

People are unpredictable. We take risks like driving even though people are unpredictable, but we dont need to arm the public with mass killing tools when it just takes one guy to go ape-shit and 70 people who went to go see "Batman" get shot for no apparent reason.

It also takes just one guy to get nearly blackout drunk, get behind the wheel of a car, and kill a bunch of innocent people.... OMGZ BAN CARS!!!!111one

[lil_penny]

It also takes just one guy to get nearly blackout drunk, get behind the wheel of a car, and kill a bunch of innocent people.... OMGZ BAN CARS!!!!111one

:lol

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Damn, the guy who did it, trip-wired his apt?
I didn't read that earlier..

[Blake]

"A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."

-George Washington

We are armed.

[mavs>spurs]

We are armed.

I'd like to stay that way and am appalled by the war against the 2nd amendment.

This in particular bothers me:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/18/un-gun-control-treaty-will-reveal-gun-laws-obama-really-supports/

[cantthinkofanything]

out of all developed, civilized nations we lead the pack

http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-top-ten-countries/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.jpg

the vast majority of those crimes are committed without a gun too

Without knowing what types of crime, I'm not sure how relevant the map is. It stands to reason that a country like the U.S. with 1) a large population 2) the most freedom and 3) most goods and wealth (ie: more things/opportunities to steal) will be at the top of that list.

[HI-FI]

no disrespect to the victims, but part of me wonders how much money Batman, and other flicks, will lose from this event? wonder if it will be a watershed moment or people will go about their normal lives.

[da_suns_fan]

How many times can people make false equivalencies to swords, knives, bombs, cars, swimming pools, the internet etc.

I'll take my chances against knives and swords. I can always run away. And a packed movie theater full of batman fans would probably be a bad place to try and kill people with knives and swords.

I'll take my chances against the dreaded bomb-makers. Chances are, the crazy person who wants to kill the masses will probably blow himself up. And even if he doesn't, no one can say that we at least didnt try. Bombs are illegal.

The analogies to cars, swimming pools, the internet etc is asinine. Yes, a lot of "things" are dangerous, but none of these things were specifically designed to cause mass death.

As for "they'll just get the guns on black market" argument, at least we know that it would be at least somewhat more difficult to buy these weapons illegally than to simply go to Bass Pro shop.

[cantthinkofanything]

I'd like to stay that way and am appalled by the war against the 2nd amendment.

This in particular bothers me:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/18/un-gun-control-treaty-will-reveal-gun-laws-obama-really-supports/

Ditto. Things are progressing very quickly and somehow this is still under the radar for most of the country.

[mavs>spurs]

Without knowing what types of crime, I'm not sure how relevant the map is. It stands to reason that a country like the U.S. with 1) a large population 2) the most freedom and 3) most goods and wealth (ie: more things/opportunities to steal) will be at the top of that list.

well in the wiki link on incarceration it shows that we blow everyone out of the water in incarcerated people per 100,000, so this levels the playing field.

[Blake]

He didn't have an assault rifle.

An assault rifle is an automatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_firearm) rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) that uses an intermediate cartridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_cartridges) and a detachable magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearms%29).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#cite_note-0) Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_arms) in most modern armies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army). Assault rifles are categorized in between light machine guns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_machine_gun), which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submachine_gun), which fire a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
Examples of assault rifles include the StG 44 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44), AK-47 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47),[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#cite_note-1) M16 rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle), QBZ-95 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBZ-95), Heckler & Koch G36 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36), and Enfield SA80 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80).


Having an AK look alike doesn't mean you have an assault rifle. What he had was no different technically than a semi-auto deer rifle.

Oh. It was only a semi automatic rifle.

smh

[Clipper Nation]

The analogies to cars, swimming pools, the internet etc is asinine. Yes, a lot of "things" are dangerous, but none of these things were specifically designed to cause mass death.
Guns aren't designed for murder (because that's ILLEGAL).... they're designed for self-defense....


As for "they'll just get the guns on black market" argument, at least we know that it would be at least somewhat more difficult to buy these weapons illegally than to simply go to Bass Pro shop.
And that changes things how? The crazed loons would still plan out these attacks even if guns are banned, because the fact that murder is illegal doesn't stop them.....

[mavs>spurs]

Oh. It was only a semi automatic rifle.

smh

in texas i think you have to go through all kinds of red tape to get an actual fully auto. i think in some states it's just outright banned. although i'm starting to see more and more people with them in response to fears of an Obama gun grab. gun sales keep breaking previous records under obama, it's like more than doubled since he took office last time i looked. people are starting to get loaded for bear.

[johnsmith]

Not that it is particularly relevant to the discussions being had here today in this thread, but when speaking of the downfall of society, I still firmly believe that the internet is the worst thing mankind ever invented as it pertains to ruining the human race.

I said that the moment I logged on in 1996 on AOL. I was only 16 at the time and even thought it then.

[DMC]

Here's my take on it:

1.We glorify killers in some shape, form or fashion by making them into legends instead of quietly dispensing of them as we should. A person who might have a strong desire to be world famous but doesn't have the talent to get there has the option of going to the other side, infamy. They can kill a bunch of people and it becomes the story of the day, week or whatever, and maybe even a movie will be made about them. So what they end up in prison or dead, they've ensured their name and face will be recorded in the annals of history.

2. From birth now days children are exposed to the concept that killing others is fun. It's in every movie, in every decent video game, and even their music now is about killing someone, doing a drive by, whatever. They don't learn these things as a fun, temporary escape, but from the time they can comprehend their surroundings they are introduced to violence (even the 3 month old in the theater, for example, with the movie being violent).

3. The clear line between socially accepted and outcast is getting even wider.

4. Some people are just fucking crazy and need to be put down.

[da_suns_fan]

Guns aren't designed for murder (because that's ILLEGAL).... they're designed for self-defense....



Garbage.

Kevlar is designed for self defense. Helmets are designed for self defense. Shields are designed for self defense.

Guns are designed to kill.

[ChumpDumper]

Guns aren't designed for murder (because that's ILLEGAL).... they're designed for self-defense....That's a moral judgment. They are designed to kill stuff for whatever reason.

Not that I necessarily disagree with your general stance.

[Blake]

I'd like to stay that way and am appalled by the war against the 2nd amendment.

This in particular bothers me:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/18/un-gun-control-treaty-will-reveal-gun-laws-obama-really-supports/

I'm saying as a people, we are armed.

GW's quote gets taken out of context quite a bit by the nra hacks.

[Clipper Nation]

That's a moral judgment. They are designed to kill stuff for whatever reason.

Yet one reason is illegal, while the other is justifiable.....

[pawe]

I'd blame the mother first before blaming guns TBH. She knew her son has issues yet still didn't do anything about it.

[Clipper Nation]

Garbage.

Kevlar is designed for self defense. Helmets are designed for self defense. Shields are designed for self defense.

Guns are designed to kill.

Kevlar, helmets, and shields are designed for protection, not self-defense....

[Blake]

in texas i think you have to go through all kinds of red tape to get an actual fully auto. i think in some states it's just outright banned. although i'm starting to see more and more people with them in response to fears of an Obama gun grab. gun sales keep breaking previous records under obama, it's like more than doubled since he took office last time i looked. people are starting to get loaded for bear.

why does any civilian need a fully auto?

[ChumpDumper]

Yet one reason is illegal, while the other is justifiable.....Doesn't change what guns are designed for.

[HI-FI]

Not that it is particularly relevant to the discussions being had here today in this thread, but when speaking of the downfall of society, I still firmly believe that the internet is the worst thing mankind ever invented as it pertains to ruining the human race.

I said that the moment I logged on in 1996 on AOL. I was only 16 at the time and even thought it then.

i see your point but I just see everything as a tradeoff, like equal measures good and bad. with the internet, i've been able to find more info on how certain operations work, how the media likes to twist things, learn more about the political process and corruption etc...and I'm sure the net has hurt with some of my more destructive tendencies as well.

ultimately it's just a tool, like a gun, and like Uncle Ben says, with great power comes great responsibility. unfortunately, people are turning into irresponsible shitheads.

[Nathan89]

Again, its much more difficult for someone to construct a home-made bomb capable of killing 12 and putting 50 others in the hospital (while not blowing yourself up), moving the bomb, detonating the bomb etc than simply driving to Bass Pro shop and putting a couple glocks on a credit card.

This is why they say bomb makers have a "signature". If they successfully create a bomb, they tend to stick to that exact formula for making the bomb since they didnt blow themselves up the first time and bomb-making is extremely dangerous.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVJFkpGDHyvW59zL39Ieu21PUpsldL7 VxJWeQJfoY23l0SJ2ob

[johnsmith]

I'd blame the mother first before blaming guns TBH. She knew her son has issues yet still didn't do anything about it.

That's tough though as a parent I would think. Here your kid is in school for his PHD and you think he's doing fine and then this.

Just speculating though, this kid could very well have always been fucked up.

Either way, he needs to be hurt, badly, and then hung.

[mavs>spurs]

I'm saying as a people, we are armed.

GW's quote gets taken out of context quite a bit by the nra hacks.

If you study history, the founding fathers put the gun provision into the bill of rights as a protective measure that we'd never become enslaved ever again. The bill of rights has served us well for this long and now all I see in the media these days is demonization of it.

stuff like this pops up all the time

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203824904577215310175957208.html

in my opinion, the quote isn't taken out of context at all. the founding fathers fully intended for us to be armed to the teeth.

[WeNeedLength]

out of all developed, civilized nations we lead the pack

http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-top-ten-countries/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.jpg

the vast majority of those crimes are committed without a gun too

This map is mostly pointless without populations included too.

U.S. population = about 311 million / 11.8 mil crimes = 3.8% crime rate

U.K. population = about 62 million / 6.5 mil crimes = 10.5% crime rate

And U.K. has banned guns???? :lmao

[johnsmith]

i see your point but I just see everything as a tradeoff, like equal measures good and bad. with the internet, i've been able to find more info on how certain operations work, how the media likes to twist things, learn more about the political process and corruption etc...and I'm sure the net has hurt with some of my more destructive tendencies as well.

ultimately it's just a tool, like a gun, and like Uncle Ben says, with great power comes great responsibility. unfortunately, people are turning into irresponsible shitheads.

Absolutely.....but I think when you are speaking of the general masses, particularly in America, there are far more dumb people than there are intelligent people.....

Having said that, this dude doesn't sound "dumb", so I'm certainly not arguing that the internet made him do it....just an observation on the internet as a whole and how it may or may not effect the mentality of others.

[mavs>spurs]

why does any civilian need a fully auto?

for protection against anything and everything. foreign invasion, a corrupted government that needs to go, or an assault by an individual. the founding fathers wanted it this way specifically so that no other group or body would hold us down ever again.

[Blake]

Yet one reason is illegal, while the other is justifiable.....

the reason is to kill.

I think it sucks that a civilian like Zimmerman killed an unarmed kid and might get off scot free in the guise of self defense.

[Nathan89]

How many times can people make false equivalencies to swords, knives, bombs, cars, swimming pools, the internet etc.

I'll take my chances against knives and swords. I can always run away. And a packed movie theater full of batman fans would probably be a bad place to try and kill people with knives and swords.

I'll take my chances against the dreaded bomb-makers. Chances are, the crazy person who wants to kill the masses will probably blow himself up. And even if he doesn't, no one can say that we at least didnt try. Bombs are illegal.

The analogies to cars, swimming pools, the internet etc is asinine. Yes, a lot of "things" are dangerous, but none of these things were specifically designed to cause mass death.

As for "they'll just get the guns on black market" argument, at least we know that it would be at least somewhat more difficult to buy these weapons illegally than to simply go to Bass Pro shop.

Stupid post because there will still be guns even if they were illegal.

[mavs>spurs]

And U.K. has banned guns???? :lmao

banning guns usually leads to more victimization and crime. criminals look for people to victimize, so a gun is definitely a deterrent. it at least makes it harder to find easy pickings. i'm not sure if anyone actually read the chicago tribune link i posted, but it talks about how criminologist studies show time and time again that guns save lives.

[ChumpDumper]

for protection against anything and everything. foreign invasion, a corrupted government that needs to go, or an assault by an individual. the founding fathers wanted it this way specifically so that no other group or body would hold us down ever again.To which well regulated militia do you belong?

[mingus]

It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.

[The Batman]

To which well regulated militia do you belong?
Mav Krew. Oh you said "Well regulated"...nvm carry on

[CuckingFunt]

I wasn't pointing so much at the kids but at how this has been going on for awhile and society in general just doesn't care enough to try and change it or stop it.

Our kids senses are being assaulted by images/sounds/violence/blood/gore and we just accept it as being normal.

Parents, game inventors, marketers, everyone involved- is placing money above all else.

I didn't think you were pointing the blame at the kids.

My point was that the level of violence in movies/TV/video games is less of a concern when the kid watching them is otherwise well adjusted.

[ChumpDumper]

It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.It was only a matter of time before Paul Kersey checked in.

[pawe]

why does any civilian need a fully auto?

Bad guys already have their weapons drawn when they assault you or come into your house. He may be alone but usually there's 2 or more. They can have automatic rifles or not. They may be hyped up on drugs. They already planned their attack and is already at full alert while you sleep in your pajamas.

Homeowners like me are already at a disadvantage, it's nice to have an option on what kind of weapon you can use to protect yourself.

[Nathan89]

Nope. Its not illogical and plenty of other nations have taken the steps to outlaw

Other countries close to the freedom to own guns as Americans are. You see a lot of deaths if the government decides to go around and take guns from people.

After all that criminals would still have guns.

Nice plan.:lol

[man on wire]

It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.

:lmao You would have panicked and ran just like the rest.

[Lincoln]

It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.

Cool story bro, you should tell it at parties.

Not saying you can't, but do you think you could take down a shooter with 4 semi automatic weapons, with body armor on, with tear gas in your face, people screaming and panicking everywhere, in the dark?

[mavs>spurs]

robbery prevented because of an armed citizen. this happened just recently

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[cantthinkofanything]

Bad guys already have their weapons drawn when they assault you or come into your house. He may be alone but usually there's 2 or more. They can have automatic rifles or not. They may be hyped up on drugs. They already planned their attack and is already at full alert while you sleep in your pajamas.

Homeowners like me are already at a disadvantage, it's nice to have an option on what kind of weapon you can use to protect yourself.

No doubt. There's no way to quantify how many home invasions and potential rapes/murders have not been attempted because of the possibility of the home owner having a gun. But I'm sure it's more than 12.

[Lincoln]

And if you happened to miss, you have a chance at killing an innocent person or maybe even a kid.

Sup jack bauer

[DMC]

Again, its much more difficult for someone to construct a home-made bomb capable of killing 12 and putting 50 others in the hospital (while not blowing yourself up), moving the bomb, detonating the bomb etc than simply driving to Bass Pro shop and putting a couple glocks on a credit card.

This is why they say bomb makers have a "signature". If they successfully create a bomb, they tend to stick to that exact formula for making the bomb since they didnt blow themselves up the first time and bomb-making is extremely dangerous.
A. You watch too many movies, it's obvious. It's very easy to construct a home made bomb. This theater shooter had equipment that showed he put time and effort into his plan. Lazy people aren't out shooting up theaters. Your "easier" argument is moot.

B. You don't know anything about guns or bombs(trust me on this).

C. Gun ownership is an individual right, and unless you think you can change the 2nd Amendment, we are all just here discussing our personal stake in it. You have no power or right to remove my rights.

D. Your feeling of safety doesn't equate to safety, it equates to ignorance and is akin to being a sheep. The gun control idea is a placebo for people like you who are both gun ignorant and people ignorant.

E. I prefer being in charge of my own safety, because like it or not, we all are in charge of our own safety first and foremost. You can pretend to defer to authority, but authority is there to punish offenders, they rarely protect you from anything. You're 100x more likely to be pulled over for speeding by a cop than to have one save you from an attacker. They are there mostly as revenue generation device for the city.

Final thought: There's a reason suicide bombers aren't suicide shooters.

[mingus]

Cool story bro, you should tell it at parties.

Not saying you can't, but do you think you could take down a shooter with 4 semi automatic weapons, with body armor on, with tear gas in your face, people screaming and panicking everywhere, in the dark?

considering I'm a damn good shot, and I have six of them, pretty sure. Moreover, if two two or three others had handguns, too, you're talking about 25-40 shots on guys.

[mingus]

If we banned handguns, we wouldn't have massacres. Timothy McVay would've turned out to be an honorable citizen, working an honorable job like practicing law or teaching at university.

[HI-FI]

Absolutely.....but I think when you are speaking of the general masses, particularly in America, there are far more dumb people than there are intelligent people.....

Having said that, this dude doesn't sound "dumb", so I'm certainly not arguing that the internet made him do it....just an observation on the internet as a whole and how it may or may not effect the mentality of others.

i'm certainly not dismissing your point. i've had moments where i wonder if I would have been better off never getting on the internet, where it's maybe led to more confusion or bad habits. otoh, sometimes it's been great and really opened my eyes.

whenever i hear politicians say that everyone should have access, i just laugh, cuz it means more dipshits will be clogging it up and probably have nothing of value to add. ST will become even more a troll haven.

personally, i think it all starts with the family. once that breaks down, shit starts to get bad. i didn't come from the greatest of family backgrounds, so i've seen its effect. i have a friend (use the term loosely) whose mother was possibly raped, therefore she's never wanted anything to do with her son, and he's a fucking sociopath in the making. i try to keep my distance.

but why families break down, that's a much bigger question, and i have no answers for that. if there is one thing i feel strongly about, is that you shouldn't have kids unless you really want one, otherwise you're dropping that burden on the rest of us. i look at my "friend" as proof of this.

[Lincoln]

considering I'm a damn good shot, and I have six of them, pretty sure. Moreover, if two two or three others had handguns, too, you're talking about 25-40 shots on guys.

Possibly. However, if 2 or 3 other guys had handguns, shit would be a straight up firefight in a CROWDED room with women and children.

[ChumpDumper]

considering I'm a damn good shot, and I have six of them, pretty sure. Moreover, if two two or three others had handguns, too, you're talking about 25-40 shots on guys.Been in many shootouts? Serious question, could be military, etc.

[DMC]

Quick google on the definition of insanity:

in·san·i·ty/inˈsanitē/
Noun:
The state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
Extreme foolishness or irrationality.

Everything this guy did in the shooting falls under any and all these descriptions.
One could argue then that any person committing murder is insane.

Premeditated killings like this aren't looked at as being defensible by insanity pleas. There's a difference between extreme and insane. Anyone here could decide to do that and then go do it. Only an insane person would do it when he wasn't planning to.

[mingus]

Possibly. However, if 2 or 3 other guys had handguns, shit would be a straight up firefight in a CROWDED room with women and children.

Highly doubt if at least two people in there knew how to shoot a handgun properly and safely, you'd see any bystanders shot.

[ChumpDumper]

Highly doubt if at least two people in there knew how to shoot a handgun properly and safely, you'd say any bystanders shot.OK, in how many full theater firefights have you participated?

[ChumpDumper]

One could argue then that any person committing murder is insane.True, if he just shot one dude or two at a Valero for the same reasons, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[DMC]

Nonsense.

To gloss over the differences in usability, portability, concealibility, effectiveness, re-use etc is asinine.

Im sure this dude could have made a home-made bomb and brought it into the theater. BUt it would have been much more difficult to cause the amount of death he easily inflicted by using guns.

Especially considering he was a "rogue" and had no assistance from outside bomb-makers etc.
No fucking way.

One pipe bomb would have killed 30+ people if it was constructed right, especially if you consider he could have backpacked it in, set it between seats and then left. He could have brought in several.

He did what he did because that's what he saw someone had done; he's a copycat.

[Mog]

Highly doubt if at least two people in there knew how to shoot a handgun properly and safely, you'd see any bystanders shot.

Big difference between shooting a handgun properly and safely under safe conditions and letting go during a shootout.

[pawe]

considering I'm a damn good shot, and I have six of them, pretty sure. Moreover, if two two or three others had handguns, too, you're talking about 25-40 shots on guys.

But the owner of the theater is Cinemark, which has a "no firearms" policy. Guns are banned from that place so you cant bring in your guns as well as the other responsible gun owners.

That place sure was safe from shooting since people are claiming that it is safer if there are no guns around.

[mingus]

OK, in how many full theater firefights have you participated?

How many times have you been to a gun range or target practice?

[Mog]

But the owner of the theater is Cinemark, which has a "no firearms" policy. Guns are banned from that place so you cant bring in your guns as well as the other responsible gun owners.

That place sure was safe from shooting since people are claiming that it is safer if there are no guns around.

Probably to keep the concession stand workers from getting capped due to some nutjob going crazy over paying $8 for a small popcorn.

[HI-FI]

No fucking way.

One pipe bomb would have killed 30+ people if it was constructed right, especially if you consider he could have backpacked it in, set it between seats and then left. He could have brought in several.

He did what he did because that's what he saw someone had done; he's a copycat.

i agree on your earlier point they want infamy. it's not rocket science, these guys are pissed and angry at the world and want others to feel their pain, but making sure people know who or why they did it.

we just need to be more effective in sending a message that there are dire consequences for such actions, and I ain't talking life in prison.

[IronMaxipad]

http://i.imgur.com/f0RiZl.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/f0RiZ.jpg)

Pic of Holmes with the red hair found on adult friend finder

[mingus]

Big difference between shooting a handgun properly and safely under safe conditions and letting go during a shootout.

Not really. If you have ever taken a firearms class, the same rules apply. You don't shoot you're target if you don't have a clear shot/someone is in the way.

[ChumpDumper]

How many times have you been to a gun range or target practice?Several.

It in no way makes me think I am fully prepared for a firefight in a completely full theater. You took this opportunity to brag about how much of a badass you would be had you been there and armed. I was asking what led you to this conclusion.

Your answer is "I'm a good shot at the range."

[Clipper Nation]

Probably to keep the concession stand workers from getting capped due to some nutjob going crazy over paying $8 for a small popcorn.

But the "no guns" policy didn't stop this tragedy.....

[Lincoln]

So you're saying a bystander wouldn't get hit if 2-3 people opened fire on a shooter in a: dark crowded room with screaming people running everywhere with tear gas blinding them and bullets flying all around them?

You must've been in a few firefights with tough conditions tbh

[Lincoln]

How many times have you been to a gun range or target practice?

Do you go to a range where innocent panicked people are running around everywhere in a crowded room, with tear gas in your face, WHILE taking gunfire from a man in full body armor? If so, props on being such a damn good shot bro! You wreck it with that concealed .357 of yours!

[mingus]

Several.

It in no way makes me think I am fully prepared for a firefight in a completely full theater. You took this opportunity to brag about how much of a badass you would be had you been there and armed. I was asking what led you to this conclusion.

Your answer is "I'm a good shot at the range."

That's how confident I am in my ability to shoot accurately and precisely. I have no doubt that had I been there I would have identified the target, looked for the right shot, would have found it, and would have connected. I think had there been several other people who were well-trained in firearms would have done the same.

I don't think I would be a badass for doing it, either. You are entirely wrong about that, but I expect the name-calling, ad hominem attacks to come from you, so it is not too surprising.

[Mog]

Not really. If you have ever taken a firearms class, the same rules apply. You don't shoot you're target if you don't have a clear shot/someone is in the way.

Wrong. In a real shootout all rules off and you have to make split second decisions and all the firearms classes won't matter. Great marksmanship doesn't always equal great soldier/fighter.

[johnsmith]

That's how confident I am in my ability to shoot accurately and precisely. I have no doubt that had I been there I would have identified the target, looked for the right shot, would have found it, and would have connected. I think had there been several other people who were well-trained in firearms would have done the same.

I don't think I would be a badass for doing it, either. You are entirely wrong about that, but I expect the name-calling, ad hominem attacks to come from you, so it is not too surprising.

Respectully disagree. I think it would be too difficult because of the amount of people, the darkness, the chaos. Just my opinion, I could be flat ass wrong.

[Koolaid_Man]

were they unpredictable back in 1776 whenever we became a free people thanks to gun ownership rights?

huh this thread was fine until you interjected your 2 bit sense into it...please go away...you're disgusting..I think I speak on behalf of everyone here that after you pulled that stunt in the NBA forum by attacking a nice young snow bunny *aka* basketballgirl25 no one really cares to hear your opinion on what you think...you're a joke to us now...get lost loser

[Blake]

A. You watch too many movies, it's obvious. It's very easy to construct a home made bomb.

this made me laugh out loud.

[CuckingFunt]

Quick google on the definition of insanity:

in·san·i·ty/inˈsanitē/
Noun:
The state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
Extreme foolishness or irrationality.

Everything this guy did in the shooting falls under any and all these descriptions.

What the definition you found doesn't include is that "insanity" has been largely dismissed as a medical term because it is so general as to have become meaningless.

I would be very surprised if this guy didn't suffer from some sort of sociopathy or antisocial disorder, but such disorders don't always manifest in a way that fits the colloquial definition of "insanity": hearing voices, talking to oneself, acting irrationally, etc. Clearly his course of action was carefully planned and well thought out -- lacking the foolishness or irrationality in your definition.

[mavs>spurs]

What the definition you found doesn't include is that "insanity" has been largely dismissed as a medical term because it is so general as to have become meaningless.

I would be very surprised if this guy didn't suffer from some sort of sociopathy or antisocial disorder, but such disorders don't always manifest in a way that fits the colloquial definition of "insanity": hearing voices, talking to oneself, acting irrationally, etc. Clearly his course of action was carefully planned and well thought out -- lacking the foolishness or irrationality in your definition.

yep, he comes off as a sociopath to me. i think you nailed it.

[Mog]

What the definition you found doesn't include is that "insanity" has been largely dismissed as a medical term because it is so general as to have become meaningless.

I would be very surprised if this guy didn't suffer from some sort of sociopathy or antisocial disorder, but such disorders don't always manifest in a way that fits the colloquial definition of "insanity": hearing voices, talking to oneself, acting irrationally, etc. Clearly his course of action was carefully planned and well thought out -- lacking the foolishness or irrationality in your definition.

Are you saying that carefully planned actions cannot be foolish or irrational!?

[Koolaid_Man]

Here's my take on it:

1.We glorify killers in some shape, form or fashion by making them into legends instead of quietly dispensing of them as we should. A person who might have a strong desire to be world famous but doesn't have the talent to get there has the option of going to the other side, infamy. They can kill a bunch of people and it becomes the story of the day, week or whatever, and maybe even a movie will be made about them. So what they end up in prison or dead, they've ensured their name and face will be recorded in the annals of history.

2. From birth now days children are exposed to the concept that killing others is fun. It's in every movie, in every decent video game, and even their music now is about killing someone, doing a drive by, whatever. They don't learn these things as a fun, temporary escape, but from the time they can comprehend their surroundings they are introduced to violence (even the 3 month old in the theater, for example, with the movie being violent).

3. The clear line between socially accepted and outcast is getting even wider.

4. Some people are just fucking crazy and need to be put down.


So..... what violent movie premier's did Hitler, Mussolini and Pol Pot attend....what music did they have on their I-Pods :lmao

/fail DMC is just a failure :lol

[DMC]

this made me laugh out loud.
Ok, that means it was probably accurate then.

[ChumpDumper]

That's how confident I am in my ability to shoot accurately and precisely. I have no doubt that had I been there I would have identified the target, looked for the right shot, would have found it, and would have connected. I think had there been several other people who were well-trained in firearms would have done the same.

I don't think I would be a badass for doing it, either. You are entirely wrong about that, but I expect the name-calling, ad hominem attacks to come from you, so it is not too surprising.I'm entirely right about your bragging about being such a badass shooting range avenger. Nobody asked. You couldn't wait to post it here so we could all marvel at your amazing skill and steely nerve.

[Koolaid_Man]

Ok, that means it was probably accurate then.

for a guy who's wife left him for a big black buck you sure know how to make light of such situations..I guess at some point you had to embrace it in order to move on...I can hate on you for that playa..

Carry on :lol

[DMC]

http://i.imgur.com/f0RiZl.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/f0RiZ.jpg)

Pic of Holmes with the red hair found on adult friend finder
http://images.wikia.com/disney/images/c/c8/Syndrome.jpg

[Blake]

Bad guys already have their weapons drawn when they assault you or come into your house. He may be alone but usually there's 2 or more. They can have automatic rifles or not. They may be hyped up on drugs. They already planned their attack and is already at full alert while you sleep in your pajamas.

Homeowners like me are already at a disadvantage, it's nice to have an option on what kind of weapon you can use to protect yourself.

Well hell, why stop at assault rifle? Sounds like you need a missile launcher.

[Blake]

Ok, that means it was probably accurate then.

Naw. Usually home made bombs are the stuff of tv/movies.

[DMC]

Naw. Usually home made bombs are the stuff of tv/movies.
For you, sure.

So are theater shootings.

Never heard of an IED eh? (hint, doesn't necessarily prevent pregnancy).

[Blake]

For you, sure.

So are theater shootings.

Cool. How long did it take you to make your bomb

[DMC]

Well hell, why stop at assault rifle? Sounds like you need a missile launcher.


While you just need a cell phone, right?

:lmao


"911 whats your emergency?"

"someone's breaking in my house"

"where are you sir?"

"I'm under the bed"

"oh ok, don't worry, they won't hurt you if you act docile"

[CuckingFunt]

Not that it is particularly relevant to the discussions being had here today in this thread, but when speaking of the downfall of society, I still firmly believe that the internet is the worst thing mankind ever invented as it pertains to ruining the human race.

I said that the moment I logged on in 1996 on AOL. I was only 16 at the time and even thought it then.

Don't know if I can get that hyperbolic about it, and I'm far from a luddite, but I generally agree. And I know I've said similar in various discussions here in the past.

I'm rapidly approaching the age where any "in my day..." rant I go on comes across as anti-whippersnapper fist shaking, but I do think things were different back in my day. Even as a snarky, smart ass kid who hung with other snarky, smart ass kids and young adults, the people who made up my cohort when I was in college in 1996 were nowhere near as detached and apathetic as the people who made up my cohort when I went back to school in 2007. And I think a lot of that had to do with the fact the latter group grew up with the consequence-free anonymity of the interwebs.

[Blake]

While you just need a cell phone, right?

:lmao


"911 whats your emergency?"

"someone's breaking in my house"

"where are you sir?"

"I'm under the bed"

"oh ok, don't worry, they won't hurt you if you act docile"

Cool story. What tv show is that from

[ace3g]

a pic of the gas mask:

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-120720-batman-aurora-shooting/ss-120720-batman-aurora-shooting-37.ss_full.jpg

[mavs>spurs]

a pic of the gas mask:

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-120720-batman-aurora-shooting/ss-120720-batman-aurora-shooting-37.ss_full.jpg

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/news/dark-knight-rises-new-bane-photo.jpg

it must be mitt romneys fault because of "Bane" capital, get it.

too fucking convenient

[CuckingFunt]

Are you saying that carefully planned actions cannot be foolish or irrational!?

No. I'm not. I'm merely suggesting that the actions of this person do not, on their own, support the assumption he fits the legal or colloquial definition of insanity.

[Spurs da champs]

Well apparently he colored his hair to make himself look like the Joker, what an idiot tho, Joker's hair is green not red.

But that mask obviously proves yet again that this bullshit was premeditated & an insane man would have no fucking idea what to do.

[TE]

No. I'm not. I'm merely suggesting that the actions of this person do not, on their own, support the assumption he fits the legal or colloquial definition of insanity.

What's the legal definition of insanity?

[TE]

What's the legal definition of insanity?

@ CF, what do you think of this murderer and his success in killing 12 people? What do you label him?

[AussieFanKurt]

What's the legal definition of insanity?

Isn't it something to do with losing all grip with reality.

[silverblk mystix]

That's how confident I am in my ability to shoot accurately and precisely. I have no doubt that had I been there I would have identified the target, looked for the right shot, would have found it, and would have connected. I think had there been several other people who were well-trained in firearms would have done the same.

I don't think I would be a badass for doing it, either. You are entirely wrong about that, but I expect the name-calling, ad hominem attacks to come from you, so it is not too surprising.

Agree with you. It isn't as easy as shooting at the range but it isn't out of the realm of possibility to think that if you are prepared and are a good shot-that you could have made a difference.

Nothing unreasonable or braggish about what you said but some people can't help themselves.

[MannyIsGod]

@ CF, what do you think of this murderer and his success in killing 12 people? What do you label him?

She mentioned that above.

[ChumpDumper]

Agree with you. It isn't as easy as shooting at the range but it isn't out of the realm of possibility to think that if you are prepared and are a good shot-that you could have made a difference.

Nothing unreasonable or braggish about what you said but some people can't help themselves.Of course it's bragging.

No one asked him anything about this. He just decided to brag that his vast shooting range experience made his being a fantasy hero in a crowded theater a sure bet.

It's just as likely he would have shit his pants and trampled women and children trying to get out of the theater.

[CuckingFunt]

@ CF, what do you think of this murderer and his success in killing 12 people? What do you label him?

I already said I thought he likely suffered from some form of sociopathy or antisocial disorder.

[silverblk mystix]

Of course it's bragging.

No one asked him anything about this. He just decided to brag that his vast shooting range experience made his being a fantasy hero in a crowded theater a sure bet.

It's just as likely he would have shit his pants and trampled women and children trying to get out of the theater.


Agree with you. It isn't as easy as shooting at the range but it isn't out of the realm of possibility to think that if you are prepared and are a good shot-that you could have made a difference.

Nothing unreasonable or braggish about what you said but some people can't help themselves.



strawman, strawman, neverending

[redzero]

This isn't the first time that mingus boasted about all the cool shit he would have done in certain situations.

[ChumpDumper]

Agree with you. It isn't as easy as shooting at the range but it isn't out of the realm of possibility to think that if you are prepared and are a good shot-that you could have made a difference.

Nothing unreasonable or braggish about what you said but some people can't help themselves.



strawman, strawman, neverending
It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.You're an idiot, sbm. Neverending.

[TE]

I already said I thought he likely suffered from some form of sociopathy or antisocial disorder.

So what do you call his acts? (don't tell me they're premeditated, you've already said that).

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

[CuckingFunt]

So what do you call his acts? (don't tell me they're premeditated, you've already said that).

I call them horrible. And unfortunate.

[MannyIsGod]

So what do you call his acts? (don't tell me they're premeditated, you've already said that).

Where are you going with this? His acts are premeditated murder. What else could anyone possibly call them?

[silverblk mystix]

You're an idiot, sbm. Neverending.

add;

ad hominem to your idiocy...

[CuckingFunt]

Where are you going with this? His acts are premeditated murder. What else could anyone possibly call them?

He's trying to trap me into calling them insane.

[MannyIsGod]

He might as well try to trap you into calling them bad. OH MAN, GOTCHA!

I think there's likely good chance he's got some sort of mental/social problem because many times people who do these things are. But its not an absolute certainty that a mass murdering fuckhead is necessarily mentally ill.

[da_suns_fan]

Weapons included AR-15 Assault rifle.

Also purchased legally.

[TE]

He might as well try to trap you into calling them bad. OH MAN, GOTCHA!
:lol



I think there's likely good chance he's got some sort of mental/social problem because many times people who do these things are. But its not an absolute certainty that a mass murdering fuckhead is necessarily mentally ill.

The things he did, like shooting a 3 month old straight in the face, I think he is mentally ill.

[TE]

He's trying to trap me into calling them insane.

Not playing this game with you or Chump.

[jjktkk]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control discussion?

Most of the people who initiate these discussions are not versed on existing gun laws. They have this caricature of reality in their minds where gun control is concerned, that laws that prohibit the purchase of firearms do away with firearms. They ignore that laws that prohibit the purchase of drugs don't do away with drugs. They ignore that murder is against the law, ergo a law abiding citizen, one who would obey the gun law, wouldn't go on a shooting spree anyhow. They ignore the fact that existing gun laws prohibit the sale of guns to convicted felons, but convicted felons have guns just the same. They make every event an issue of blaming a political party instead of dealing with the real reason these things happen, people are batshit crazy (no pun intended).

The world is full of crazy motherfuckers. That's been the case for a long, long time, and your personal security ultimately falls on you, not your congressman or even the police. Surely there were people in that theater that were for stronger gun control laws, and it's unlikely anyone there was carrying a concealed weapon (other than the shooter). When we are left to the whims of the billions of other people, our lives are always in danger. There's always going to be some recluse who spends too much time on fringe websites trying to make a name, someone who's been fucked with non stop his whole life who wants to get even. That's the underlying theme to most of these sprees. That much is obvious to anyone who cares to check it out, yet the online bullying continues and every day these momma's boys are stocking up for their grand coming out party, and when he happens, some internet gun control keyboard commando will rant about laws they don't even know already exist.

Outstanding post DMC. :toast

[DMX7]

Only in America? Yeah murders never happen anywhere else. What a stupid thing to say.

They obviously happen everywhere, but 10,000 deaths a year by gun in America are unique to unfortunately unique to us.

[CuckingFunt]

He might as well try to trap you into calling them bad. OH MAN, GOTCHA!

I think there's likely good chance he's got some sort of mental/social problem because many times people who do these things are. But its not an absolute certainty that a mass murdering fuckhead is necessarily mentally ill.

And, as with the point I've been making, I don't think it's necessarily the case that someone with mental/social problems is "insane."

Ultimately, labeling actions that we can't personally relate to as "insane" is fucking lazy. And makes it way too damned easy to sweep under the rug whatever issues foster sociopathy or encourage this level of violence.

[IronMaxipad]

http://i.imgur.com/GCAOV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DkcUJ.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

:lol



The things he did, like shooting a 3 month old straight in the face, I think he is mentally ill.

Are you qualified to make a mental health diagnosis? Even if you were qualified, do you have the necessary information?

Questions are rhetorical.

Does committing this act automatically mean you're mentally ill? I don't believe it does, but I honestly don't know for sure. Are you arguing that he should not suffer punishment for these crimes and instead be placed in a mental institution until such time as he is not considered dangerous? Because thats what would happen if he's found insane by the court (chances of that happening are non existent)

[TE]

I already said I thought he likely suffered from some form of sociopathy or antisocial disorder.

Would a pathological diagnosis of psychopath not also be appropriate for this man?

[ChumpDumper]

add;

ad hominem to your idiocy...
It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.Sorry, dude bragged that he would have killed this guy on sight in the crowded, chaotic theater -- and you reposted his walkback position like he never made the first one.

Add "liar" to your resume.

[DeadlyDynasty]

He's probably a soccer fan.

[ChumpDumper]

Not playing this game with you or Chump.You really get hung up on definitions and by asking for more definitions you are definitely playing this game.

[TE]

Are you qualified to make a mental health diagnosis? Even if you were qualified, do you have the necessary information?


Not qualified yet. And no I don't have the necessary information at the tip of my brain.





Does committing this act automatically mean you're mentally ill? I don't believe it does, but I honestly don't know for sure.
It doesn't automatically mean someone is mentally ill, but he sure shows symptoms of it by his actions (for example, shooting a baby point blank in the face).



Are you arguing that he should not suffer punishment for these crimes and instead be placed in a mental institution until such time as he is not considered dangerous?

Not arguing anything or what his verdict should be, yet. As the information comes in, the picture will be painted more colorfully.



Because thats what would happen if he's found insane by the court (chances of that happening are non existent)

That's entirely dependent on the Judge and the Jury, and how they apply the sanity/insanity assessment to the individual.

[CuckingFunt]

Would a pathological diagnosis of psychopath not also be appropriate for this man?

You tell me, doc.

Something to consider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath): "While no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis of "psychopathy" itself, assessments of psychopathy are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations and may have important consequences for individuals. The term is also used by the general public, in popular press, and there are many fictional portrayals. This popular usage does not necessarily conform to the clinical concept. According to the Scientific American, although psychopathy is associated with and in some cases is defined by conduct problems, criminality or violence, many psychopaths are not violent, and psychopaths are, despite the similar names, rarely psychotic."

[TE]

You really get hung up on definitions and by asking for more definitions you are definitely playing this game.

I'm not getting hung up on definitions, rhetorical guy. This is a discussion. Not an argument or debate. You fail to obviously see that it's not an argument, I'm not surprised by that.

[ChumpDumper]

The legal definition has a lot to do with whether the defendant knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime. With so much apparent preparation and coolness in execution, it's going to be very difficult to prove this piece of shit legally insane.

[silverblk mystix]

Sorry, dude bragged that he would have killed this guy on sight in the crowded, chaotic theater -- and you reposted his walkback position like he never made the first one.

Add "liar" to your resume.

Wrong. Reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.

He clearly stated that someone had been shot on sight in front of him when he was younger. This was a reason that he now carries a weapon. He stated that he would have shot the guy. Understandable considering his past.

Always trying to mischaracterize everything you read. You really should pause before posting-especially when you already have a dislike or a prejudice of the poster you are attacking. You already made that clear regarding that poster in one of your earlier posts in this thread.

[MannyIsGod]

@TE If you don't feel you have enough information to make the decision then you're basically saying the exact same thing I did. Its likely based on his actions he has some sort of condition/disorder/whatever but its also possible that he doesn't.

[MannyIsGod]

The legal definition has a lot to do with whether the defendant knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime. With so much apparent preparation and coolness in execution, it's going to be very difficult to prove this piece of shit legally insane.

I only play a psychiatric legal expert on the web and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I said its flat out impossible he gets an insanity plea. IMO.

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong. Reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.

He clearly stated that someone had been shot on sight in front of him when he was younger. This was a reason that he now carries a weapon. He stated that he would have shot the guy.Right, he said that he would have certainly killed that guy in the midst of a chaotic and crowded theater and been a real-life, tough guy hero. No doubt in his mind.


Always trying to mischaracterize everything you read. You really should pause before posting-especially when you already have a dislike or a prejudice of the poster you are attacking. You already made that clear regarding that poster in one of your earlier posts in this thread.
It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.These are his words, you idiot liar. You didn't even post them because you are a liar. It's too bad you are a liar, especially since you are so easily exposed as one.

[TE]

The legal definition has a lot to do with whether the defendant knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime. With so much apparent preparation and coolness in execution, it's going to be very difficult to prove this piece of shit legally insane.

Legally, the more I read about it, you're right.

[silverblk mystix]

Right, he said that he would have certainly killed that guy in the midst of a chaotic and crowded theater and been a real-life, tough guy hero. No doubt in his mind.

These are his words, you idiot liar. You didn't even post them because you are a liar. It's too bad you are a liar, especially since you are so easily exposed as one.

Show me where he specifically stated he would be a hero. In fact he stated on another post that had he killed the guy there would have been nothing heroic about it.

Who's lying now?

[ChumpDumper]

@TE If you don't feel you have enough information to make the decision then you're basically saying the exact same thing I did. Its likely based on his actions he has some sort of condition/disorder/whatever but its also possible that he doesn't.Yeah, I'll reserve judgment, but I can't jump to the conclusion that he's really insane.

It's interesting that very few mass killers like this piece of shit survive their crimes. I can't even think of one in the US.

[ChumpDumper]

Show me where he specifically stated he would be a hero. In fact he stated on another post that had he killed the guy there would have been nothing heroic about it.

Who's lying now?[emoticon] Like no one would have considered him a hero if that had happened.

Add "delusional" to your list.

[redzero]

Yeah, I'll reserve judgment, but I can't jump to the conclusion that he's really insane.

It's interesting that very few mass killers like this piece of shit survive their crimes. I can't even think of one in the US.

Jared Lee Loughner

[Reck]

Yeah, I'll reserve judgment, but I can't jump to the conclusion that he's really insane.

It's interesting that very few mass killers like this piece of shit survive their crimes. I can't even think of one in the US.

You have to be a little crazy (the full extend of the word) to be able to do this, no doubt.

He even booby trapped his apartment to blow.

Doesn't sound like someone with a right mind.

[DMC]

That's how confident I am in my ability to shoot accurately and precisely. I have no doubt that had I been there I would have identified the target, looked for the right shot, would have found it, and would have connected. I think had there been several other people who were well-trained in firearms would have done the same.

I don't think I would be a badass for doing it, either. You are entirely wrong about that, but I expect the name-calling, ad hominem attacks to come from you, so it is not too surprising.
No disrespect, but it's not about being trained in firearms. It's about being trained and up to date in combat hard training and scenario based training.

There used to be a place in South Texas called Thunder Ranch. There you would shoot thousands of rounds and go through situational exercises.

So you can hit a target, can you identify the target that's not necessarily at the end of a range, that's moving, that's shooting, at night, after running... oh... 100 yards? What's your accuracy like then?

Even with the training, when the real thing happens, will you recognize it's happening and will you act? Will you pull the trigger or will the consequence of "what if I'm wrong?" keep you from even drawing your gun? Will you think "maybe I can get out alive, maybe I can talk to this guy, maybe I can hide, maybe someone else will do something"?

Again, no disrespect, but it's not just about shooting ability.

[ChumpDumper]

Jared Lee LoughnerTrue, I was thinking further back to see if there was any people with histories and explanations that were more fleshed out.

[silverblk mystix]

It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.

Chumpie, I want you to specifically point to the word HERO in this post. I don't see it and since you called me a liar- we should see who is the real liar here.


I may have missed it. Show me in this post of his-- or stfu because you made that word up.

[Reck]

No disrespect, but it's not about being trained in firearms. It's about being trained and up to date in combat hard training and scenario based training.

There used to be a place in South Texas called Thunder Ranch. There you would shoot thousands of rounds and go through situational exercises.

So you can hit a target, can you identify the target that's not necessarily at the end of a range, that's moving, that's shooting, at night, after running... oh... 100 yards? What's your accuracy like then?

Again, no disrespect, but it's not just about shooting ability.

Actually, he's full of shit.

Only took me one post to realized how pompous and self centered this guy mingus is.

[Blake]

This isn't the first time that mingus boasted about all the cool shit he would have done in certain situations.

You see him brag about how much money he makes.

It's e-impressive

[Ginobilly]

some people just want to watch the world burn and make people suffer. He knew what he was doing. I don't think this guy was insane at all, or had disorder of any kind. Just a pure evil, diabolical cowardly son of bitch who took out his anger on innocent people. Labeling a mental disorder/inanity, is letting people like him off the hook. Kinda like people who label alcoholism as disease, and don't wanna take responsibility for their actions. I'm surprised no one punched the prick as he was getting arrested.

[TE]

You have to be a little crazy (the full extend of the word) to be able to do this, no doubt.

He even booby trapped his apartment to blow.

Doesn't sound like someone with a right mind.

Again, if there existed a full-on medical diagnosis, this POS would have been diagnosed with every possible applicable mental illness. It really doesn't matter since this is a legal issue.

Legally, from the little I've read, it depends on if the person was acting in accordance to what he deemed was right and wrong. Dressing up and telling police officers he was joker more than likely will be labeled as sane by the court. In other words, he knew what he was doing.

[ChumpDumper]

You have to be a little crazy (the full extend of the word) to be able to do this, no doubt.

He even booby trapped his apartment to blow.

Doesn't sound like someone with a right mind.Again, that's more a matter of definition. I hope he at least tries to explain his actions in his own words and it doesn't get lost in a bunch of legal wrangling. Might give some insight -- definitely no excuses -- but possible reasons other than a blanket "he's crazy."

[DeadlyDynasty]

"Homosexuality is akin to necrophilia"

-mingus

off his Greatest Hits album

[Reck]

Chumpie, I want you to specifically point to the word HERO in this post. I don't see it and since you called me a liar- we should see who is the real liar here.


I may have missed it. Show me in this post of his-- or stfu because you made that word up.

That whole post reeks of hero me.

Going by what I've seen on the news, I highly doubt even someone well trained in these situation would actually do all what he claimed on that post.

First of all lets see at the situation shall we?

1.Crowded place
2.Darkened area
3.Mass panic
4.Perpretor was covered head to toe with military gear


So with all that in mind, do you actually think you would have the time to react that quicky?

Yep, hero.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpie, I want you to specifically point to the word HERO in this post. I don't see it and since you called me a liar- we should see who is the real liar here.


I may have missed it. Show me in this post of his-- or stfu because you made that word up.You're saying no one would have considered him a hero if he did what he claimed he could have easily done.

I can't tell if you are being disingenuous out of butthurt or you're just really that stupid.

Maybe both.

[silverblk mystix]

[emoticon] Like no one would have considered him a hero if that had happened.

Add "delusional" to your list.

:lol

Now you backtrack and say that others would have considered him a hero.

What happened to the poster "claimed or stated" or "bragged" he was a hero?

What an idiot.

You can't show me where HE said it- because HE never did. It was you mischaracterizing per usual.

[silverblk mystix]

...move those goalposts chumpie...quick...:lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Now you backtrack and say that others would have considered him a hero.

What happened to the poster "claimed or stated" or "bragged" he was a hero?

What an idiot.

You can't show me where HE said it- because HE never did. It was you mischaracterizing per usual.He claimed he would have killed the guy quickly and easily.

That would have made him a hero automatically. Shit, I would have called anyone a hero who actually did what he claimed he could do. So would you.

You're too hurt and upset to make a simple inference.

But go ahead and think you salvaged your idiocy today. You desperately want a victory, so go ahead and declare one for yourself no matter what.

[silverblk mystix]

No disrespect, but it's not about being trained in firearms. It's about being trained and up to date in combat hard training and scenario based training.

There used to be a place in South Texas called Thunder Ranch. There you would shoot thousands of rounds and go through situational exercises.

So you can hit a target, can you identify the target that's not necessarily at the end of a range, that's moving, that's shooting, at night, after running... oh... 100 yards? What's your accuracy like then?

Even with the training, when the real thing happens, will you recognize it's happening and will you act? Will you pull the trigger or will the consequence of "what if I'm wrong?" keep you from even drawing your gun? Will you think "maybe I can get out alive, maybe I can talk to this guy, maybe I can hide, maybe someone else will do something"?

Again, no disrespect, but it's not just about shooting ability.


True.

In addition- no one knows exactly how they will act when the shit hits the fan. I have seen 20 year veterans who had nerves of steel in a crisis. I have seen 20 year veterans who froze and were paralyzed and couldn't explain or even believe that they froze- when trying to talk about it later.

I have seen rookies whom I thought were never even gonna get through probation-and looked like they were too weak, too scared or displayed some other questionable trait- all of a sudden become a machine and shock the shit out of you. Shock you because- in a crisis they displayed courage and wits that saved the day.

[lakerhaterade]

Of course it's bragging.

No one asked him anything about this. He just decided to brag that his vast shooting range experience made his being a fantasy hero in a crowded theater a sure bet.

It's just as likely he would have shit his pants and trampled women and children trying to get out of the theater.

:lol

:lmao at sbm being the shield for this pompous bragger

[silverblk mystix]

He claimed he would have killed the guy quickly and easily.

That would have made him a hero automatically. Shit, I would have called anyone a hero who actually did what he claimed he could do. So would you.

You're too hurt and upset to make a simple inference.

But go ahead and think you salvaged your idiocy today. You desperately want a victory, so go ahead and declare one for yourself no matter what.

I'm not competing with you, hating on you, or butthurt by you or anyone in any way.

I'm not the one who was given the opportunity to end this and move on-and declined by answering, "fuck you and your thin skin" :lmao

I can move past this. Can you?


You simply made an inaccurate statement by claiming that Mingus bragged and specifically stated that he claimed to be a hero. I have proven here that he never used those words in this thread and you can't accept that you screwed the pooch.

Nothing personal at all. Just your anger clouding your judgement. It happens.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

:lmao at sbm being the shield for this pompous braggerThe best part is he actually agrees with me -- e-grudge notwithstanding.

[silverblk mystix]

:lol

:lmao at sbm being the shield for this pompous bragger

You finally came back?

Haven't seen you around since that night you ran out of here...:lmao

[lakerhaterade]

You simply made an inaccurate statement by claiming that Mingus bragged and specifically stated that he claimed to be a hero. I have proven here that he never used those words in this thread and you can't accept that you screwed the pooch.


Can you infer with Mingus's post that he bragged of acting a hero had he been present?


You can't be that stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

I can move past this. Can you?You proved you can't.

If I responded to every perceived slight thrown at me on these boards, I'd look -- well I'd look like you.

mingus' fantasy actions would have made him a hero, and there's nothing you or he can say to change that. Prove you can move past that.

[silverblk mystix]

Can you infer with Mingus's post that he bragged of acting a hero had he been present?


You can't be that stupid.

Chumpie made that claim by mischaracterizing Mingus's post.

The word HERO was only used by Chumpie-- not the person he accused of using it.

[Reck]

mystix is the self proclaim defender of the weak at ST.

True.

In addition- no one knows exactly how they will act when the shit hits the fan. I have seen 20 year veterans who had nerves of steel in a crisis. I have seen 20 year veterans who froze and were paralyzed and couldn't explain or even believe that they froze- when trying to talk about it later.

I have seen rookies whom I thought were never even gonna get through probation-and looked like they were too weak, too scared or displayed some other questionable trait- all of a sudden become a machine and shock the shit out of you. Shock you because- in a crisis they displayed courage and wits that saved the day.

I find it hilarious that that post contradicts his defending mingus entirely. :lol

[silverblk mystix]

You proved you can't.

If I responded to every perceived slight thrown at me on these boards, I'd look -- well I'd look like you.

mingus' fantasy actions would have made him a hero, and there's nothing you or he can say to change that. Prove you can move past that.

:lol Moving the goalposts again.

Show me in Mingus' post where he specifically stated he would be or was a hero?

He never did. Show me or accept that you were wrong.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I don't hate sbm, but he's been flogged so many times on this site that he's changed his posting style from being himself to purposely trying to sound outrageous and stupid--taking contrarian positions just for the hell of it. He's the forum's Skip Bayless, but with Down Syndrome.

[silverblk mystix]

mystix is the self proclaim defender of the weak at ST.

True.

In addition- no one knows exactly how they will act when the shit hits the fan. I have seen 20 year veterans who had nerves of steel in a crisis. I have seen 20 year veterans who froze and were paralyzed and couldn't explain or even believe that they froze- when trying to talk about it later.

I have seen rookies whom I thought were never even gonna get through probation-and looked like they were too weak, too scared or displayed some other questionable trait- all of a sudden become a machine and shock the shit out of you. Shock you because- in a crisis they displayed courage and wits that saved the day.

I find it hilarious that that post contradicts his defending mingus entirely. :lol

Another case of reading comprehension issues.

It absolutely does not say anything one way or the other about what Mingus says he would have done.

If you didn't read from the original Mingus post to now- you don't know what you are talking about.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Moving the goalposts again.

Show me in Mingus' post where he specifically stated he would be or was a hero?

He never did. Show me or accept that you were wrong.Where did I say he used that exact word?

Show me specifically where I quoted his using the word hero.

I never did. Show me or accept that you were wrong.

[lakerhaterade]

Chumpie made that claim by mischaracterizing Mingus's post.

The word HERO was only used by Chumpie-- not the person he accused of using it.

Chump's characterization of mingus's post is spot on.

He said he would have acted a hero had he been present.

[redzero]

I don't hate sbm, but he's been flogged so many times on this site that he's changed his posting style from being himself to purposely trying to sound outrageous and stupid--taking contrarian positions just for the hell of it. He's the forum's Skip Bayless, but with Down Syndrome.

Yep. He wasn't always like this.

[silverblk mystix]

Chump's characterization of mingus's post is spot on.

He said he would have acted a hero had he been present.

Show me where Mingus specifically stated that he would be a hero?

[ChumpDumper]

Another case of reading comprehension issues.

It absolutely does not say anything one way or the other about what Mingus says he would have done.

If you didn't read from the original Mingus post to now- you don't know what you are talking about.You didn't even quote his original psot.

You moved the goalposts after I did quote his original post.

[ChumpDumper]

Show me where Mingus specifically stated that he would be a hero?Show me where I stated mingus specifically stated that he would be a hero.

[DMC]

Out of curiosity, how long is the CD/SBM "yes you did" "no I didn't" going to last, how many pages?

[ChumpDumper]

Well, sbm has made the thread about his crusade again.


Show me specifically where I called it a crusade!

[ChumpDumper]

Out of curiosity, how long is the CD/SBM "yes you did" "no I didn't" going to last, how many pages?He's going to prove he can let it go by not letting it go and telling me to let it go.

[silverblk mystix]

Show me or you lied. Simple.

[MannyIsGod]

SBM has managed to make yet another thread about him. Good lord.

[silverblk mystix]

I don't hate sbm, but he's been flogged so many times on this site that he's changed his posting style from being himself to purposely trying to sound outrageous and stupid--taking contrarian positions just for the hell of it. He's the forum's Skip Bayless, but with Down Syndrome.

I don't hate Deadly Dynasty, but he has been embarrassed so many times in the NBA forum that anything he posts now is surely inaccurate. Sad.

[lakerhaterade]

Show me where Mingus specifically stated that he would be a hero?



It's too bad nobody there had a handgun. If I had been there, that wouldn't have been the case (because of something that happened earlier in life where a guy was shot right in front of my eyes at a mall, I carry a .357 at all times) and this crazy mother fucker would have been dead on sight.

He doesn't have to specifically say that he would be a hero. Any normal person with elementary level reading comprehension would automatically infer he would attempt to act a hero upon reading the initial post of Mingus.

Seriously, stop.

[ChumpDumper]

Show me or you lied. Simple.I never said that's what he overtly stated. The implication is so simple and clear even you could get it. You're just mad you got caught in a lie yourself and tried to get back at me.


Because it always has to be about you.

[Reck]

Another case of reading comprehension issues.

It absolutely does not say anything one way or the other about what Mingus says he would have done.

If you didn't read from the original Mingus post to now- you don't know what you are talking about.

Follow your own advise. :lol

He didn't need to say he would be a hero or that people who see him as one. It was implied in his post without the actual word being said.

It only took me one post, one to understand what he was trying to say.

And is no coincidence that everyone else caught on to that fact.

[silverblk mystix]

SBM has managed to make yet another thread about him. Good lord.

:lol

Right. I did. Chumpie didn't attack another poster by completely mischaracterizing his post to make it about Chumpie.

I did. :lol

OK

[Reck]

He doesn't have to specifically say that he would be a hero. Any normal person with elementary level reading comprehension would automatically infer he would attempt to act a hero upon reading the initial post of Mingus.

Seriously, stop.

Are you sure you're not my troll? :lol

Just finished posting this.

mystix is a tool really.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Right. I did. Chumpie didn't attack another poster by completely mischaracterizing his post to make it about Chumpie.

I did. :lol

OKI called mingus out after he made it about himself and his clearly implied heroic fantasy.

Now all that's left is for you to say the meanies are picking on you again. Might as well do that.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I don't hate Deadly Dynasty, but he has been embarrassed so many times in the NBA forum that anything he posts now is surely inaccurate. Sad.

That's telling me.

[lakerhaterade]

sbm is currently hi-jacking a great thread, AGAIN.

Pretty fucking sad that this has to happen on a regular basis.

[mavs>spurs]

That's telling me.

:lmao

[silverblk mystix]

He doesn't have to specifically say that he would be a hero. Any normal person with elementary level reading comprehension would automatically infer he would attempt to act a hero upon reading the initial post of Mingus.

Seriously, stop.

Right. The word hero was never used but you inferred it.

The incident that happened before his eyes (where someone got shot in front of him) could have also been a motivator to train himself and do whatever he could to not ever let it happen again.

You and everyone else ONLY see the hero angle. You are incapable of seeing that there could be other motivations. So it goes back to 5 of you vs. one poster and the facts don't matter just how many are on one side.

[ChumpDumper]

Right. The word hero was never used but you inferred it.

The incident that happened before his eyes (where someone got shot in front of him) could have also been a motivator to train himself and do whatever he could to not ever let it happen again.

You and everyone else ONLY see the hero angle. You are incapable of seeing that there could be other motivations. So it goes back to 5 of you vs. one poster and the facts don't matter just how many are on one side.No one said that being a hero was his motivation, though it may speak to how mingus feels about himself. It would be a logical result of his fantasy actions that you yourself questioned could actually happen in reality.

It must really hurt that you actually agree with me on this.

[CuckingFunt]

some people just want to watch the world burn and make people suffer. He knew what he was doing. I don't think this guy was insane at all, or had disorder of any kind. Just a pure evil, diabolical cowardly son of bitch who took out his anger on innocent people. Labeling a mental disorder/inanity, is letting people like him off the hook. Kinda like people who label alcoholism as disease, and don't wanna take responsibility for their actions. I'm surprised no one punched the prick as he was getting arrested.

The problem with "evil," just as with the knee-jerk definition of "insane," is that it has no real meaning outside its opposition to our cultural definition of "good" (or "sane," in the other case). Sure, it's true. And it's a definition most people would agree with. But it's not really saying much of anything.

To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying it or believing it to be the case, but neither "evil" nor "insane" is an explanation all on its own.

[silverblk mystix]

No one said that being a hero was his motivation. It would be a logical result of his fantasy actions that you yourself questioned could actually happen in reality.

It must really hurt that you actually agree with me on this.

Only you said that Mingus bragged about being a hero. Then you denied it.
Then you changed it again, saying this time that anyone would infer that he said it.

Then you changed it again....and again...:lol

[lakerhaterade]

Right. The word hero was never used but you inferred it.


An inference was properly made upon the processing of Mingus's post.



The incident that happened before his eyes (where someone got shot in front of him) could have also been a motivator to train himself and do whatever he could to not ever let it happen again.

Whether the prior incident motivated him or not is irrelevant. Had he been trained, and motivated, or whatever the fuck, he would have attempted to act a hero had he been in the exact location of the shooting.



You and everyone else ONLY see the hero angle. You are incapable of seeing that there could be other motivations. So it goes back to 5 of you vs. one poster and the facts don't matter just how many are on one side.

It's quite possibly the only angle to see this from. I am capable of seeing motivations of the like, but it's a moot point: Mingus would have acted a hero (or so he says) had he been there.

You love playing the me against the world angle in this forum. So much so that it frequently ruins potentially great threads.

[ChumpDumper]

Only you said that Mingus bragged about being a hero. Then you denied it.
Then you changed it again, saying this time that anyone would infer that he said it.

Then you changed it again....and again...:lolNope, I was quite consistent about what I said mingus was bragging about.

You were the one who moved the goalpost after you realized you completely whiffed posting mingus' actual first post where he bragged he would easily kill the guy, therefore becoming a hero (spelled out for you, since you still don't get it).

[CuckingFunt]

:lol

Right. I did. Chumpie didn't attack another poster by completely mischaracterizing his post to make it about Chumpie.

I did. :lol

OK

Smh.

And emoticons.

[silverblk mystix]

That's how confident I am in my ability to shoot accurately and precisely. I have no doubt that had I been there I would have identified the target, looked for the right shot, would have found it, and would have connected. I think had there been several other people who were well-trained in firearms would have done the same.

I don't think I would be a badass for doing it, either. You are entirely wrong about that, but I expect the name-calling, ad hominem attacks to come from you, so it is not too surprising.

I am looking for the word HERO in his post here and cannot seem to find it.

Wanna move the goalposts again?


Or move them again after him trying to say others would also do the same thing. Doesn't sound like hero talk to me.

Change your story again?

[DMX7]

It's a good thing that the NRA and the state of Colorado learned from Columbine massacre and passed sensible gun control legislation otherwise this whole thing could have gotten out of control.

[silverblk mystix]

Nope, I was quite consistent about what I said mingus was bragging about.

You were the one who moved the goalpost after you realized you completely whiffed posting mingus' actual first post where he bragged he would easily kill the guy, therefore becoming a hero (spelled out for you, since you still don't get it).

This is you taking a leap and mischaracterizing. Never uttered by Mingus.

Wanna try again?

[Reck]

mystix you're a fucking idiot.

I wouldn't waste my time with this guy anymore. People just stop replying to this tool.

[ChumpDumper]

This is you taking a leap and mischaracterizing. Never uttered by Mingus.

Wanna try again?No need. I never said mingus uttered that word. I can't make you less stupid and butthurt. Only you can let this go.

[silverblk mystix]

mystix you're a fucking idiot.

I wouldn't waste my time with this guy anymore. People just stop replying to this tool.

I already embarrassed you the other night- you should have stayed gone.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I already embarrassed you the other night- you should have stayed gone.
:lmaoAh, the self-declarations of victory.

"Meanies are mean" can't be far behind.

[Reck]

You embarrased me with what?

Oh right, its one of your fantasy e-victories. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You embarrased me with what?

Oh right, its one of your fantasy e-victories. :lolHe doesn't consider himself a hero, though.

Just a guy doing heroic things that make people call him a hero.

[Reck]

Ah, the self-declarations of victory.

"Meanies are mean" can't be far behind.

:lol

Its really sad when everyone knows his shtick.

[Ginobilly]

The problem with "evil," just as with the knee-jerk definition of "insane," is that it has no real meaning outside its opposition to our cultural definition of "good" (or "sane," in the other case). Sure, it's true. And it's a definition most people would agree with. But it's not really saying much of anything.

To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying it or believing it to be the case, but neither "evil" nor "insane" is an explanation all on its own.

so what do you think his motives were? Just by looking at the guy, and the media revealing some of his educational and life story, I would say this guy probably got picked on when he was in grade school. Got rejected by girls. Very few friends. Probably just mad at society for being a social loser? He should of been mad at himself for being a nerd loser.

[DMX7]

He doesn't consider himself a hero, though.

Just a guy doing heroic things that make people call him a hero.

:lol He's so humble.

Just your ordinary Joe Shmoe fucking up the bad guy then going home to fuck his wife.

[silverblk mystix]

Of course it's bragging.

No one asked him anything about this. He just decided to brag that his vast shooting range experience made his being a fantasy hero in a crowded theater a sure bet.

It's just as likely he would have shit his pants and trampled women and children trying to get out of the theater.

My bad, you didn't just use the word HERO...


It was Fantasy Hero!

Care to admit it this time? Or will you move the goalposts again?


:lmao

How much more owned can you get?

Proved liar- the rest of the naysayers won't admit it either.
Par for the course.



Embellishment by chumpie!

[silverblk mystix]

No need. I never said mingus uttered that word. I can't make you less stupid and butthurt. Only you can let this go.

Unbelievable.

[Reck]

No need. I never said mingus uttered that word. I can't make you less stupid and butthurt. Only you can let this go.

mystix :lol

[lakerhaterade]

This is embarrassing. smh

[Reck]

Unbelievable.

Owned by himself. :lol

[CuckingFunt]

so what do you think his motives were?

I haven't a fucking clue. And I question the value of speculating.

[ChumpDumper]

My bad, you didn't just use the word HERO...


It was Fantasy Hero!

Care to admit it this time? Or will you move the goalposts again?Yep, that's exactly what I said. The actions he stated he would take in his fantasy would surely make him a fantasy hero.

He never uttered the word "fantasy" either and I never said he did utter it.

I think you might have caught on by now.

My statement stands.

[silverblk mystix]

Yep, that's exactly what I said. The actions he stated he would take in his fantasy would surely make him a fantasy hero.

He never uttered the word "fantasy" either.

I think you might have caught on by now.

My statement stands.

He also never said it would be a SURE BET. You did though.

How is that not mischaracterizing?

Move the goalposts again...

/thread

[ChumpDumper]

Unbelievable.Yeah, yet you keep trying.

[Reck]

:lol going back and editing the post to pink. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

He also never said it would be a SURE BET. You did though.Yeah, he said he was sure to kill that guy.


How is that not mischaracterizing?Since he said he would definitely have killed that guy.


Move the goalposts again...Yes, you did -- after you actually read his first post.


/threadUm, that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the shooting in Aurora -- not about your petty e-vendetta against me.

Wow, you really have a huge, fragile ego.

[ChumpDumper]

so what do you think his motives were? Just by looking at the guy, and the media revealing some of his educational and life story, I would say this guy probably got picked on when he was in grade school. Got rejected by girls. Very few friends. Probably just mad at society for being a social loser? He should of been mad at himself for being a nerd loser.It will be interesting to see what he says, if nothing else since most of these douches die during the crime.

[silverblk mystix]

Yeah, he said he was sure to kill that guy.

Since he said he would definitely have killed that guy.

Yes, you did -- after you actually read his first post.

/threadUm, that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the shooting in Aurora -- not about your petty e-vendetta against me.

Wow, you really have a huge, fragile ego.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't have anything to do with my ego- it is about you lying and mischaracterizing others. Sounds like it is more about you. All I did was call you out on it.

Good luck with that.

[Reck]

That's how confident I am in my ability to shoot accurately and precisely. I have no doubt that had I been there I would have identified the target, looked for the right shot, would have found it, and would have connected. I think had there been several other people who were well-trained in firearms would have done the same.

I don't think I would be a badass for doing it, either. You are entirely wrong about that, but I expect the name-calling, ad hominem attacks to come from you, so it is not too surprising.


He also never said it would be a SURE BET. You did though.

How is that not mischaracterizing?

Move the goalposts again...

/thread

Looks like he say something along those lines. :lol

[Reck]

Um, that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the shooting in Aurora -- not about your petty e-vendetta against me.

Wow, you really have a huge, fragile ego.

Doesn't have anything to do with my ego- it is about you lying and mischaracterizing others. Sounds like it is more about you. All I did was call you out on it.

Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Changing the subject when your point about him making it a safe bet got derailed. :rollin:rollin:rollin:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't have anything to do with my ego- it is about you lying and mischaracterizing others. Sounds like it is more about you. All I did was call you out on it.And you wanted to end the thread once you thought you could claim victory.

Heroically.

No that's not about your e-grudge at all.

[emoticon]


Good luck with that.Good luck trying to deny you tried to end the thread about the Aurora shooting after you thought you scored a point against me.

[silverblk mystix]

Emoticons!!!!

[Reck]

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