Voter Fraud Found

[RandomGuy]

Cost.

So the Republican party is willing to have lower voting participation to save a tiny fraction of government spending?

Save some money at the cost of, essentially, a less representative government?

Is that about right?

[boutons_deux]

Cost.

Why There Are Long Lines In Miami: City Financed Lavish Baseball Stadium Instead Of Voting Equipment (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/06/1145051/why-there-are-long-lines-in-miami-city-financed-lavish-baseball-stadium-instead-of-voting-equipment/)
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/06/1145051/why-there-are-long-lines-in-miami-city-financed-lavish-baseball-stadium-instead-of-voting-equipment/

[boutons_deux]

‘Voter Fraud’ Protection Group Submitted Forged Documents To Ohio Election Officials (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/06/1144341/voter-fraud-group-forged-documents/)
Volunteers with True the Vote, a Tea Party group that claims it is trying to fight voter fraud by challenging the right of voters to vote, may have committed fraud themselves. Plunderbund, an Ohio-based political blog, reported Monday (http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/11/05/true-the-vote-forged-signatures-to-get-observers-at-ohio-polls/) that members of the group attempted to sign up as poll observers in African American-heavy precincts in central Ohio, but may have forged signatures to do so.

According to the report:

The forms have been rejected unanimously by all members (Rs and Ds) on the board. True the Vote observers will not be allowed in Franklin County polling locations tomorrow. Poll monitoring organizations expect they may still be stationed outside of polling locations. Board member Zachary Manifold told us he was ”amazed that a group that goes to such extreme lengths to claim voting fraud in Ohio would knowingly forge or misuse signatures to try to gain access to Franklin County polling locations.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/06/1144341/voter-fraud-group-forged-documents/

aka, SCREW THE VOTE

tea baggers! Freedom! Liberty! Water the Tree of Liberty with Blood! and SCREW THE VOTE! :lol

[Winehole23]

scrubbing the rolls:

http://projects.aljazeera.com/2014/double-voters/

[boutons_deux]

Repugs can't win fairly, democratically, so they cheat, because they love America and democracy. voter suppression, insane gerrymandering, etc

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Repugs can't win fairly, democratically, so they cheat, because they love America and democracy. voter suppression, insane gerrymandering, etc

It used to be the tactics of southern dems even when they came over to the GOP but now its bleeding into northern states like WI.

SCOTUS did consent to the independent redistricting boards and there is a movement to bring that about state by state. I am going to focus my donations there this election cycle.

[boutons_deux]

"..southern dems.."

.... are now, after Brown v Board of Education and the 1960s' PROGRESS for blacks, the Southern Repugs, aka, Nixon's Southern Strategy.

SCOTUS redistricting decision will have almost no effect in red states, and probably not anywhere. People have to vote for redistricting to be by commission, but when a red state is totally gerrymandered to be uncompetitive, such voting is useless. Red state Repug extremists can support any old wild extreme shit, including scorched-earth obstructionism, and know they will be re-elected.

[Winehole23]

Political majorities can last a long time, but are neither eternal nor static. Red states won't be red forever; the same goes for blue states.

Your unceasing counsel of despair in voting and the political process sorts ill with your progressive aims. How can political change happen if people don't fight for it and vote for it?

[boutons_deux]

Political majorities can last a long time, but are neither eternal nor static. Red states won't be red forever; the same goes for blue states.

Your unceasing counsel of despair in voting and the political process sorts ill with your progressive aims. How can political change happen if people don't fight for it and vote for it?

fight all you want, the game is rigged. See how the Dems screwed the banksters, put them in jail. See the Repugs disenfranchise Ms of legit voters behind the lie of voter fraud, to maintain a solid hold on red districts, red legislatures, red states.

In practice, just how do you, it detail, plan to reverse the above?

[spursncowboys]

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/Democracy/Analysis%20of%20Crawford%20Allegations.pdf

So Dems are for voter ID?

[ElNono]

I know we go through this every 4 years, but, what problem is Voter ID supposed to solve again?

[boutons_deux]

I know we go through this every 4 years, but, what problem is Voter ID supposed to solve again?

It's the Repugs, so everything they say or do is a lie, fraudulent, pandering to the worst of their old white male, nativist, racist, jingoist, Bible humping, gun fellatin base.

Voter fraud is straw man lie they inflame their white male nativist, racist base with, used to disenfranchise non-white voters, even in solidly red states. Purple states are the real payoff.

[Slutter McGee]

I know we go through this every 4 years, but, what problem is Voter ID supposed to solve again?

Nothing. There are not enough voting fraud cases to justify it and the Republicans should drop it. At the same time the idea that having to present an ID to vote is some how racist and trying to fuck the blacks so they can't vote is pretty much even worse propaganda from the left. It is pretty ridiculous on both sides.

Slutter McGee

[boutons_deux]

"present an ID to vote is some how racist and trying to fuck the blacks so they can't vote is ... " how the racist, xenophobic Repugs suppress the non-white vote.

Calling it leftist propaganda is racist Repugs' slander, defending their voter suppression, disenfranchisement.

[ElNono]

Nothing. There are not enough voting fraud cases to justify it and the Republicans should drop it. At the same time the idea that having to present an ID to vote is some how racist and trying to fuck the blacks so they can't vote is pretty much even worse propaganda from the left. It is pretty ridiculous on both sides.

Slutter McGee

On the Dems side it's the "Diebold is rigging the electronic voting machines :cry"...

[boutons_deux]

On the Dems side it's the "Diebold is rigging the electronic voting machines :cry"...

counting fraud delivered OH in 04, and is much more effective than voting fraud. Repugs block all "open source" suggestions for electronic voting machines because they "count" on their Repug suppliers and their close source machines.

[ElNono]

there you have it :lol

[Winehole23]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/18/cory-booker/lightning-strikes-more-common-person-voter-fraud-s/

[boutons_deux]

voter fraud, one the fantasies in the Repug parallel fantasy universe

Repug COUNTING fraud, eg Ken Blackwell Ohio 2004, actually throws elections, along with Repug gerrymandering and voter, voting suppression.

[Winehole23]

I used to think voter ID laws were a solution in search of a problem. By now it seems clear voter ID laws are crafted to suppress voting.


I’ve been tracking allegations of fraud (https://web.archive.org/web/20070622014244/http:/truthaboutfraud.org/index.html) for years now (http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf), including the fraud ID laws are designed to stop. In 2008, when the Supreme Court weighed in on voter ID, I looked at every single allegation (http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/Democracy/Analysis%20of%20Crawford%20Allegations.pdf) put before the Court. And since then, I’ve been following reports wherever they crop up.


To be clear, I’m not just talking about prosecutions. I track any specific, credible allegation that someone may have pretended to be someone else at the polls, in any way that an ID law could fix.


So far, I’ve found about 31 different incidents (some of which involve multiple ballots) since 2000, anywhere in the country. If you want to check my work, you can read a comprehensive list of the incidents below.


To put this in perspective, the 31 incidents below come in the context of general, primary, special, and municipal elections from 2000 through 2014. In general and primary elections alone, more than 1 billion ballots (http://www.fec.gov/general/library.shtml) were cast in that period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

[boutons_deux]

By now it seems clear voter ID laws are crafted to suppress voting.

now? :lol How naive, you're at least a decade late. :lol

dubya's priority, from their appointment in 2001, for his US Attorneys was to find voter fraud.

They found just ONE, so many of them got fired after "botched-war-president" dubya was just barely re-elected.

The US Atty who sent Repug Duke Cunningham to prison for accepting $Ms in bribes also got rewarded by being fired

[boutons_deux]

Wisconsin Republican Rep. Glenn Grothman boasted (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/06/wisconsin_republican_congressman_lets_the_truth_sl ip_suppressive_voter_id_laws_will_help_republicans _win_in_november/) that the state’s voter ID law will help whoever the Republican presidential nominee is to win Wisconsin in the general election. “I think Hillary Clinton is about the weakest candidate the Democrats have ever put up,” Grothman said. “And now we have photo ID, and I think photo ID is going to make a little bit of a difference as well.”

This comment is being treated as a Kinsley gaffe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_gaffe#Kinsley_gaffe), but it’s actually pretty standard fare for Grothman, who has been a hard-charging proponent (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/11/19/wisconsin_voter_id_law_republicans_want_to_end_wee kend_voting.html) of voter ID laws and the political benefit they confer on Republicans. Back in 2012, when Grothman was a state senator, he was asked by ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/24/572971/glenn-grothman-voter-id/) if the Wisconsin voter ID law could help Mitt Romney win the state, and he said yes, explaining that only Democrats commit voter fraud. “I think if people cheat,” he said, “we believe the people who cheat are more likely to vote against us.”


These remarks are part of a growing number of comments (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/28/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters.html) from Republican officials and conservative activists stating in plain terms that voter ID laws are fantastic at suppressing the Democratic vote.

It’s impossible to ignore the partisan motivation here, just as it’s impossible to ignore the actions Republican-led states are taking in conjunction with voter ID laws to make it more and more difficult for Democratic constituencies to vote.

In Mississippi, the state passed a law requiring a photo ID to vote, and then announced that it was closing driver’s license offices (https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/02/planned-dmv-closures-alabama-adds-urgency-push-restore-voting-rights-act) in “predominantly black and poor” counties across the state (the state’s actions areunder federal investigation (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/alabama-dmv-closures-voting-rights/)).

In Wisconsin, they’ve dismantled the independent board in charge of supervising elections, devoted little resources to educating voters about the new laws, and made it more difficult (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/desperate-times-democracy-wisconsin) to conduct voter registration drives.

None of this is particularly subtle: they are targeting Democratic voters.

As Charles Pierce writes (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a43311/war-on-voting/), the Wisconsin example and others like it “are the result of a deliberate national campaign to restrict the franchise in new and different ways,

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/06/wisconsins_voter_id_sham_republican_rep_admits_the _law_targets_democrats_its_time_for_the_rest_of_th e_gop_to_say_it_too/

[Winehole23]

In 2016, 15 states will have new voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election. The new laws range from strict photo ID requirements to early voting cutbacks to registration restrictions.


Those 15 states are: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin.


(This number decreased from 17 to 15 when the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals struck down a series of voting restrictions in North Carolina in late July 2016, and a federal court enjoined North Dakota’s photo ID law in August 2016. Despite recent court victories mitigating the impact of restrictive laws in Texas and Wisconsin, those states are still included because the requirements are more restrictive than what was in place for the 2012 presidential election.)


This is part of a broader movement to curtail voting rights, which began after the 2010 election, when state lawmakers nationwide started introducing hundreds of harsh measures making it harder to vote.


Overall, 20 states have new restrictions in effect since the 2010 midterm election.https://www.brennancenter.org/voting-restrictions-first-time-2016

[boutons_deux]

https://www.brennancenter.org/voting-restrictions-first-time-2016

Repugs are hyper-concerned about the sanctity of the vote like they are freaked about protecting women's health.

If nothing else, you have to respect, to admire the Repugs' relentless, vehement commitment to dishonesty, lying, straw men, terminal hypocrisy.

[Wild Cobra]

This is part of a broader movement to curtail voting rights, which began after the 2010 election, when state lawmakers nationwide started introducing hundreds of harsh measures making it harder to vote.
https://www.brennancenter.org/voting-restrictions-first-time-2016

But it's not a right for people to vote twice.

[Splits]

But it's not a right for people to vote twice.

which never happens and an ID wouldn't prevent if it did

[Winehole23]

But it's not a right for people to vote twice.Voter fraud is a problem of infinitessimal proportions. Voter ID laws prevent more legit votes than fraudulent ones.

It isn't even close.

[Winehole23]

Voter ID laws are pure voter suppression.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

[Wild Cobra]

Blah blah blah...

Says the indoctrinated liberal

[baseline bum]

Blah blah blah...

Says the indoctrinated liberal

LOL you're the dual of boutons, who accuses everyone of being a right winger.

[boutons_deux]

LOL you're the dual of boutons, who accuses everyone of being a right winger.

... only assholes who espouse rightwing policies

[Splits]

The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals struck down key portions of North Carolina’s strict 2013 voting law on Friday, delivering a stern rebuke to the state’s Republican General Assembly and Governor Pat McCrory. The three-judge panel in Richmond, Virginia, unanimously concluded that the law was racially discriminatory, and it blocked a requirement that voters show photo identification to vote and restored same-day voter registration, a week of early voting, pre-registration for teenagers, and out-of-precinct voting.

...

“In what comes as close to a smoking gun as we are likely to see in modern times, the State’s very justification for a challenged statute hinges explicitly on race—specifically its concern that African Americans, who had overwhelmingly voted for Democrats, had too much access to the franchise,” wrote Judge Diana Gribbon Motz.

...

“In North Carolina, restriction of voting mechanisms and procedures that most heavily affect African Americans will predictably redound to the benefit of one political party and to the disadvantage of the other,” Motz wrote. “As the evidence in the record makes clear, that is what happened here.”

...

“Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices. Upon receipt of the race data, the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans,” Motz wrote. “Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-carolina-voting-rights-law/493649/

They should invoke their Constitutional rights that black votes only count 3/5ths.

[TeyshaBlue]

LOL you're the dual of boutons, who accuses everyone of being a right winger.

+10

[ElNono]

Voter ID laws are pure voter suppression.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/


Blah blah blah...

Says the indoctrinated liberal

When you don't have arguments, attack the messenger...

[Winehole23]

worried about electoral fraud?

pay more attention to the security of voting machines.


The revelation this month that a cyberattack on the DNC is the handiwork of Russian state security personnel has set off alarm bells across the country: Some officials have suggested that 2016 could see more serious efforts to interfere directly with the American election. The DNC hack, in a way, has compelled the public to ask the precise question the Princeton group hoped they’d have asked earlier, back when they were turning voting machines into arcade games: If motivated programmers could pull a stunt like this, couldn't they tinker with the results in November through the machines we use to vote?



This week, the notion has been transformed from an implausible plotline in a Philip K. Dick novel into a deadly serious threat, outlined in detail by a raft of government security officials. “This isn’t a crazy hypothetical anymore,” says Dan Wallach, one of the Felten-Appel alums and now a computer science professor at Rice. “Once you bring nation states’ cyber activity into the game?” He snorts with pity. “These machines, they barely work in a friendly environment.”


The powers that be seem duly convinced. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson recently conceded (https://www.politicopro.com/cybersecurity/whiteboard/2016/08/jeh-johnson-election-system-needs-cybersecurity-upgrades-075507) the “longer-term investments we need to make in the cybersecurity of our election process.” A statement by 31 security luminaries at the Aspen Institute issued a public statement (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/members-of-the-aspen-institute-homeland-security-group-issue-statement-on-dnc-hack-300306004.html): “Our electoral process could be a target for reckless foreign governments and terrorist groups.” Declared Wired (https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/): “America’s Electronic Voting Machines Are Scarily Easy Targets.”


For the Princeton group, it’s precisely the alarm it has been trying to sound for most of the new millennium. “Look, we could see 15 years ago that this would be perfectly possible,” Appel tells me, speaking in subdued, clipped tones. “It’s well within the capabilities of a country as sophisticated as Russia.” He pauses for a moment, as if to consider this. “Actually, it’s well within the capabilities of much less well-funded and sophisticated attackers.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144#ixzz4GiD6ZjbS

[Winehole23]

The Princeton group has a simple message: That the machines that Americans use at the polls are less secure than the iPhones they use to navigate their way there. They’ve seen the skeletons of code inside electronic voting’s digital closet, and they’ve mastered the equipment’s vulnerabilities perhaps better than anyone (a contention the voting machine companies contest, of course). They insist the elections could be vulnerable at myriad strike points, among them the software that aggregates the precinct vote totals, and the voter registration rolls that are increasingly digitized. But the threat, the cyber experts say, starts with the machines that tally the votes and crucially keep a record of them—or, in some cases, don't.


Since their peak around 2007, voting districts have begun to rely less on the digital voting machines—a step in the right direction, as states bolt for the door on what the programmers describe as a bungled, $4 billion experiment. Instead, rushing to install paper backups, sell off the machines and replace them with optical scanners—in some cases, ban them permanently for posterity. But the big picture, like everything in this insular world, is complicated. As the number of machines dwindle—occasioned by aging equipment, vintage-era software that now lacks tech support, years without new study by the computer scientists, and a public sense that the risk has passed—the opportunities for interference may temporarily spike. Hundreds of digital-only precincts still remain, a significant portion of them in swing states that will decided the presidency in November. And, as the Princeton group warns, they become less secure with each passing year.

[RandomGuy]

I used to think voter ID laws were a solution in search of a problem. By now it seems clear voter ID laws are crafted to suppress voting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

... and the courts agree with you.

[RandomGuy]

Blah blah blah...

Says the indoctrinated liberal

Actually they have more than one Republican official pretty much admitting the only reason they pass these laws is to suppress votes.

Is that the way you think elections should be won? By whichever party can cram through laws that can keep the other party's voters from legitimately casting ballots?

[boutons_deux]

Hillary Clinton’s Push For Universal Automatic Voter Registration Could Kill The GOP

Hillary Clinton isn't settling for restoring the Voting Rights Act.

The Democratic nominee has a plan to automatically and universally register voters that would kill the Republican Party.

Universal automatic voter registration means that every American would be automatically registered to vote when they turn age 18. If a person does not want to be registered to vote, they can opt out. It doesn’t mean that voting is mandatory, or that voters have to stay registered.What universal automatic voter registration would do is that it would immediately increase turnout for elections.

Ever since demographic trends have been moving against them, Republicans have decided that their key to victory is to make the electorate smaller.

In an attempt to hide their true motives, they’ve cooked up imaginary voter fraud as an excuse for voter suppression laws.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/06/hillary-clintons-push-universal-automatic-voter-registration-kill-gop.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[clambake]

Actually they have more than one Republican official pretty much admitting the only reason they pass these laws is to suppress votes.

Is that the way you think elections should be won? By whichever party can cram through laws that can keep the other party's voters from legitimately casting ballots?

lets be honest. some think their vote should be valued over other voters.

[boutons_deux]

lets be honest. some think their vote should be valued over other voters.

honestly, the Repugs think Ms of people should be denied the vote completely.

[Winehole23]

voter ID laws took aim at a gnat with a bazooka... and missed.



A News21 analysis four years ago of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases in 50 states found that while some fraud had occurred since 2000, the rate was infinitesimal compared with the 146 million registered voters in that 12-year span. The analysis found only 10 cases of voter impersonation, the only kind of fraud that could be prevented by voter ID at the polls.


This year, News21 reviewed cases in Arizona, Ohio, Georgia, Texas and Kansas, where politicians have expressed concern about voter fraud, and found hundreds of allegations but few prosecutions between 2012 and 2016. Attorneys general in those states successfully prosecuted 38 cases, though other cases may have been litigated at the county level. At least one-third of those cases involved nonvoters, such as elections officials or volunteers. None of the cases prosecuted was for voter impersonation.

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/08/21/review-states-voter-id-laws-found-no-voter-imperso/

[Winehole23]

The state of Texas has made it easier for more Texans to vote in this election by expanding the types of identification that a voter can present at the polls!


If you don’t have a photo ID (reminder of the accepted forms of photo ID here (http://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/need-id/)), you’ll just need to fill out a short form stating the reason why you haven’t been able to get one and swearing that you are who you say you are.


Then you can present any government document that lists your name and address. A copy of the document will do, unless it has a photo, in which case be sure to bring the original. Poll workers cannot question or challenge you regarding your lack of a photo ID.
If you don’t have a photo ID, bring one of these documents to the polls:

Voter registration certificate (the card mailed to you shortly after you register to vote)
Certified birth certificate (original)
Current utility bill (copy or original)
Bank statement (copy or original)
Government check (copy or original)
Paycheck (copy or original)


Election poll workers are prohibited by law from challenging your reason for being unable to obtain a photo ID. If you experience any issues at the polls, call our Voter Protection Hotline at 1-844-TXVOTES, and we can help.
Voters with a disability may apply with the county voter registrar for a permanent exemption to showing ID at the polls.

http://www.battlegroundtexas.com/what-to-bring-to-the-polls/

[Winehole23]

for security, paper ballots counted in public, beat all


Don’t listen to lobbyists for vendors pushing unnecessarily fancy and expensive voting equipment. Go back to paper ballots. Buy cheap used scanners to read them. Get it done now. “The Department of Homeland Security has said it. Every cyber expert says it,” she says. Voting machines like Georgia’s “are a national security risk.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-10/advocates-say-paper-ballots-are-safest

[Chris]

Massive voter fraud in Florida and Ohio

[Winehole23]

Massive voter fraud in Florida and Ohiowhen was that?

[Chris]

Current Florida voter file received this past Saturday:

7,001 people born between 1900 to 1916

516 born 1900 to 1908

80 born 1900-1903

Plus 16 from 1886 to 1899

[Winehole23]

link?

are those active voters, or dead people who haven't been removed from the rolls?

[Chris]

link?

are those active voters, or dead people who haven't been removed from the rolls?

It was from a data specialist that independently audits voter rolls.

Active voters.

[David Hogg]

Massive voter fraud in Florida and Ohio


7,001 people

516

80

Plus 16

:lmao

[Chris]

According to this guy they are dead people so I guess the correct answer is both.

1029410514902822912

It's fraudulent either way no?

[Winehole23]

if for the sake of high drama we assume all 7613 of those presumably dead people are all dead, and all active voters, in a state with ~14.5 million voters that comes to about five one hundredths of one percent statewide.

[Winehole23]

how about the link to the Ohio voter fraud? your Florida case failed at delivery.

[David Hogg]

7,613 down
2,992,387 to go :lmao

[Chris]

You will dismiss it on arrival so why bother?

[Hillary Clinton]

Someone tell Trump to investigate this matter. Maybe even make a Special Committee.

[Winehole23]

You will dismiss it on arrival so why bother?it's not my fault your case failed at delivery. you overhyped it, you made unverified assumptions.

also, if you don't care to support your own claims, so much the worse for your claims.

[Winehole23]

ran off.

Chris can't be bothered to back up his own bs.

[Winehole23]

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[Chris]

You just want a back and forth bicker.

No thanks!

[Spurminator]

Current Florida voter file received this past Saturday:

7,001 people born between 1900 to 1916

516 born 1900 to 1908

80 born 1900-1903

Plus 16 from 1886 to 1899

That news was already debunked. I'd post the thread debunking it, but you wouldn't read it.

[Winehole23]

You just want a back and forth bicker.

No thanks!you can't back up your own bs.

that's ok. everyone can see it for what it is.

[Winehole23]

That news was already debunked. I'd post the thread debunking it, but you wouldn't read it.YOU JUST WANT A BACK AND FORTH BICKER. NO THANKS!

[Chris]

you can't back up your own bs.

that's ok. everyone can see it for what it is.

You just want a back and forth bicker.

No thanks!

[Winehole23]

chickenshit Chris

[Chris]

chickenshit Chris

You're doing the troll thing again.

[Winehole23]

in this case I would say chickenshit is more descriptive than pejorative.

[pgardn]

You're doing the troll thing again.

You either have no number sense, or you are a chickenshit.
You are getting your ass handed to you.

[Winehole23]

what do you call someone who makes a bold claim, and then refuses to back it up and runs away from the bold claim?

[Winehole23]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266387&page=1190&p=9509842&viewfull=1#post9509842 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266387&page=1190&p=9509821&viewfull=1#post9509821)

[ElNono]

if for the sake of high drama we assume all 7613 of those presumably dead people are all dead, and all active voters, in a state with ~14.5 million voters that comes to about five one hundredths of one percent statewide.

Somebody here said that was like.. hmmm.. 14%...

[Pavlov]

Massive voter fraud in Florida and Ohio


Current Florida voter file received this past Saturday:

7,001 people born between 1900 to 1916

516 born 1900 to 1908

80 born 1900-1903

Plus 16 from 1886 to 1899Quit trolling, Chris.

[RandomGuy]

According to this guy they are dead people so I guess the correct answer is both.

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It's fraudulent either way no?

Fraud involves intent.

So, no.

Basically you have someone named Joe Smith voting, and the poll worker finding the first Joe Smith on the roll and marking that person as having voted, when in reality it ws the 3rd Joe Smith that voted, not the 1st.

Simple clerical error on the part of volunteer poll workers.

[RandomGuy]

what do you call someone who makes a bold claim, and then refuses to back it up and runs away from the bold claim?



A North-American vulgar slang for a cowardly and timid person. Also an alternative to describing a person as a chicken.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chickenshit


Seems to fit the definition of chickenshit in a very real sense.

[RandomGuy]

As in:

A person is chickenshit if they make bold claims, then run away from those claims at the first sign of challenge.
Chris makes bold claims, then runs away from those claims at the first sign of challenge.

Chis is, therefore, chickenshit. QED

[RandomGuy]

Massive voter fraud in Florida and Ohio

:rollin

[Winehole23]

massive voter purge in Georgia:


Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp (previously (https://boingboing.net/?s=%22brian%20kemp%22)) embarked on an aggressive voter suppression campaign in 2017, purging 10% of the voter roll, some 591,000 Georgian voters.
Now, after a litigation threat by investigative journalist Greg Palast, Kemp has provided a list of the purged voters, which Palast has assembled into a searchable database (https://www.gregpalast.com/georgia-voter-purge-list-2018/).
https://boingboing.net/2018/10/02/thanks-greg-palast.html

[RandomGuy]

You just want a back and forth bicker.

No thanks!

No back and forth.

You posted something stupid.

It was debunked.

No forth here to have. Feel free to claim the earth is flat for your finale. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Online link for Texas voter application goes down days before registration deadline
Texas Secretary of State Rolando Pablos' office says it is working on the "server issue" and tweeted an alternative link to the application Saturday afternoon. Voters must register by Tuesday for November elections.

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/10/06/texas-voter-registration-application-secretary-state-midterms-2018/

shithole TX Repugs cheating again, as always.

[Winehole23]

About half a million voters were purged from the registration rolls in the state of Indiana.
https://wsbt.com/news/local/you-might-have-been-kicked-off-voter-rolls-and-not-even-know-it

[Winehole23]

According to the ACLU and other voting advocates, about two million Ohio registered voters have been purged under what the state calls “the supplemental process” since Husted took office in 2011. It’s not entirely clear how many Ohio voters are in the crosshairs this time around. About 835,000 Ohio registered voters haven’t voted in two years, according to an election data analysis this summer by Cleveland.com.http://prospect.org/article/fighting-republicans-voter-purges-ohio

[Winehole23]

From November 2008 to November 2010, the median purge rate in the Sunshine State was 0.2 percent. That number jumped to 3.6 percent from 2012 to 2014. And new data show it’s jumped again: Between December 2016 and September 2018, Florida has purged more than 7 percent of its voters.

Not only can we tell that purges have increased — we also know where the biggest purges are happening. Hardee, Hendry, Palm Beach, and Okaloosa counties have each purged more than 10 percent of their voters in the last two years.
https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/florida-georgia-north-carolina-still-purging-voters-high-rates

[Winehole23]

Between 2010 and 2014 — a period of time that covers before and after the Supreme Court’s decision on the Voting Rights Act — Georgia’s median purge rate increased from 6.7 percent to 10.7 percent. Our analysis of the data shows that the state continues to have a high purge rate: Over the past two years, the state has purged 10.6 percent of voters. Nonwhite voters were slightly overrepresented among those purged when compared to the total population breakdown
.
Ninety-seven of the state’s 159 counties purged more than 10 percent of their voters in the last two years. Four counties (Chattahoochee, Liberty, Dade, and Camden) are particular outliers, each purging at least 15 percent of their voters. At a more granular level, 430 of the 781 zip codes have purged more than 10 percent of their voters since 2016. This rebuts any speculation that the VRA’s preclearance provision may have blocked reasonable list maintenance practices. “Catching up” might have seemed like an excusable reason for increased rates in the first purge cycle without pre-clearance (2014-2016), but Georgia’s purge rates have not returned to pre-2013 levels in the five years since the decision was handed down.

[Winehole23]

North Carolina’s purge rates fall in between Florida and Georgia. Forty of its one hundred counties were covered under Section V of the Voting Rights Act at the time of the Shelby County v. Holder decision in 2013. The average purge rate in the state increased modestly between 2010 to 2014, from 8.0 to 8.8 percent. Like in Georgia and Florida, however, this didn’t represent a temporary increase, but rather has been sustained over the past few years. Between September of 2016 and May of 2018 (the latest date data is available), the state purged 11.7 percent of its voter rolls. Just 19 of its counties purged fewer than 10 percent of their voters, and no county purged fewer than 8 percent. These purges have been especially troubling for voters of color – in 90 out of 100 counties, voters of color were over-represented among the purged group.

[boutons_deux]

another Constitutional fuckup, letting states decide who can vote

the Constitution sucks

[Winehole23]

as designed. politicians pick the voters.

[boutons_deux]

as designed. politicians pick the voters.

and they unpick the voters

[Winehole23]

in Georgia, it's a gubernatorial candidate who's doing the de-selecting

[boutons_deux]

in Georgia, it's a gubernatorial candidate who's doing the de-selecting

53K voter applications on hold by the candidate for Gov aka Secy of State, they can't vote, 70% of the applicants are black.

[Winehole23]

Altogether, Indiana cancelled the registrations of ... 469,000 votershttps://www.gregpalast.com/indiana-caught-illegally-purging-20000-voters-are-you-one/

[Winehole23]

Florida's voter registration website went down two days before the deadline.

Was not fixed.

[boutons_deux]

Florida's voter registration website went down two days before the deadline.

Was not fixed.

Just like TX's

===================

Georgia Breaks Its All-Time Voter Registration Record

https://www.courthousenews.com/georgia-breaks-its-all-time-voter-registration-record/

[Winehole23]

2016 Democratic primary post-mortem:


This evidence falls into four categories: 1) voter suppression; 2) voter registration tampering (switching of a voter’s party affiliation without their knowledge or consent); 3) illegal voter registration purges; 4) evidence for erroneous or fraudulent voting machine counts. We have also discovered a number of credible reports of miscellaneous kinds of election fraud or potential election fraud that are particularly relevant to caucus states.”https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5O9I4XJdSISNzJyaWIxaWpZWnM/view

[Winehole23]

1053465271648821250

[Winehole23]

500,000 purged in Illinois, 750,000 in Colorado.

[Winehole23]

totally legit


Under Georgia procedures, registered voters who have not cast ballots for three years are sent a notice asking them to confirm they still live at their address. If they don’t return it, they are marked inactive. If they don’t vote for two more general elections after that, they are removed from the rolls.

Georgia removed more than 534,000 voters that way in 2016 and 2017. Using databases employed by commercial mailing firms, analysts commissioned by Palast’s group found that 334,134 of those citizens actually still live at the address they registered.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/19/georgia-governor-race-voter-suppression-brian-kemp

[SnakeBoy]

totally legit

[/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/19/georgia-governor-race-voter-suppression-brian-kemp[/FONT][/COLOR]

People who don't vote lost their voter registration and will have to register again. Sounds like the end of democracy.

[Winehole23]

if you don't see a problem there must not be one.

why do you think the rate of voter purges has gone up so much in Georgia in recent years?

[Winehole23]

why do you think the GOP is trying to make it harder for Americans to vote?

[Winehole23]

the pattern of purges will raise questions about the legitimacy of elections in a lot of places, but as a fan of chaos you probably like that.

[Winehole23]

People who don't vote lost their voter registration and will have to register again. Sounds like the end of democracy.you're missing the point. 334,000 people got marked inactive NOT for not voting, but for not returning postcards to verify the addresses at which they're registered to vote and at which they still live.

it's chickenshit.

[Winehole23]

the Georgia election is grotesquely corrupted

[SnakeBoy]

why do you think the GOP is trying to make it harder for Americans to vote?

cuz they're smart

[boutons_deux]

The Repug strategy of voter suppression is fundamental to the oligarchy's coup d'etat, how it obtains and maintains political power, the power to do their self-enriching, destructive shit or, at very minimum, obstruct the Dems from doing anything.

It's multi-state strategy, with the feckless, dickless, gutless Dems doing nothing.

All thanks to the oligarchy whores on SCOTUS gutting the VRA.

[Winehole23]

cuz they're smartyour contempt and the GOP's for legit voters and the legitimacy of our system of government couldn't be any clearer.

[Winehole23]

334,000 people losing the ability to vote because they throw away junk mail is evil bullshit.

the GOP isn't smart for doing this. it's gonna backfire.

[SnakeBoy]

334,000 people losing the ability to vote because they throw away junk mail is evil bullshit.

the GOP isn't smart for doing this. it's gonna backfire.

334,000 who don't vote anyways. I doubt they give a shit.

[Spurs Homer]

Didn't those Native Americans in North Dakota get screwed also?

I hope their tribe gives them a legal address to place on their ID and be able to vote with - but of course - the GOP making non repuke voters jump through extra hoops is sickening.

[Winehole23]

334,000 who don't vote anyways. I doubt they give a shit.speak for yourself, douchenozzle

[Winehole23]

purging millions from voter rolls to prevent a problem this small is beyond cynical

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[dabom]

The only widespread Voter Fraud is by gop. How Ironic. :lmao

[dabom]

Disenfranchising millions of voters. :lmao

[Winehole23]

for reference:

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/44529201_2231270183571998_5373142127544893440_o.pn g.jpg?_nc_cat=102&efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=a4663a71abf2b6f1ee1bbe1d4ff9aa3f&oe=5C871CDF

[Winehole23]

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/44529201_2231270183571998_5373142127544893440_o.pn g.jpg?_nc_cat=102&efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=a4663a71abf2b6f1ee1bbe1d4ff9aa3f&oe=5C871CDFdude, there's better information in this thread than on the chart you posted.

please try to keep up.

[Winehole23]

oops!

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/us/politics/senate-house-elections.html

[boutons_deux]

The Georgia governor’s race was just hit with a new voter suppression scandal affecting thousands

The latest alarming incident to make headlines broke this afternoon when it was revealed that more than

4,500 vote-by-mail applications have gone missing for DeKalb county,

which just so happens to be one of Georgia’s most liberal and densely populated counties.

County election officials said they could only confirm they had received 48 of out of the thousands of vote-by-mail applications :lol

that Democratic vote monitors were trackings. The officials promised :lol that they would quickly (https://washingtonpress.com/2018/10/23/georgias-republican-governor-candidate-just-got-caught-on-hot-mic-bashing-high-voter-turnout/) call :lol

the affected voters and tell them they needed to re-request their ballots :lol

before the fast-approaching November 2nd deadline.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/10/25/the-georgia-governors-race-was-just-hit-with-a-new-voter-suppression-scandal-affecting-thousands/?fbclid=IwAR1tngmECqe5Z7NupZCFm2DtNvK9HXELcRzgZR48 0qKDH1ffElQ9F-qJFzg

slave-state knitter-hatin' officials don't have the initial mail-in requests already?

People need to re-request? :lol

[Winehole23]

you never check the link immediately above yours, do you?

[boutons_deux]

you never check the link immediately above yours, do you?

my links are always the best, G F Y

[Winehole23]

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Republican House Candidates Pay Protesters To Violently Disrupt Nancy Pelosi Event


https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/17/republican-house-pay-proud-boy-protesters-nancy-pelosi.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[boutons_deux]

‘This is live voter suppression’: Black Voters Matter blocked from taking seniors to vote

Roughly 40 black seniors in Georgia were told to get off a bus organized to take them to cast their votes.

the county administrator ordered the senior center to take the 40 or so elderly African Americans off the bus —

an act organizers described as “live voter suppression.”

once the elderly people were onboard, Black Voters Matter co-founder Cliff Albright announced that they’d have to get off.

Leisure Center’s staff said

someone had called county officials and complained that the bus should not be taking voters to the polls

, he said.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (https://politics.myajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/black-senior-citizens-ordered-off-georgia-bus-taking-them-vote/42lZxIGOF1uFo637TEc9jP/) on Tuesday reported that a Jefferson County clerk had called the senior center, raising concerns about allowing the bus to take residents to vote.

The county administrator later told the newspaper that

officials considered the bus tour “political activity,” which is barred at county-sponsored events.

The senior center is a county-run facility.

LaTosha Brown, Black Voters Matter’s other co-founder, said there was nothing illegal about the group’s activity.

The organization is non-partisan and

the bus doesn’t endorse any particular candidate.

She called it a clear-cut case of “voter intimidation.”

“This is voter suppression, Southern style,” aka, slave-state style

https://thinkprogress.org/georgia-black-voters-matter-bus-blocked-from-taking-seniors-to-vote-a3c3e6580c5b/

Once a slave state, always a slave state.

[boutons_deux]

Texas voting machines flip Senate vote on straight Dem ticket to Cruz;

Secy of State blames voters (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/27/1807603/-Texas-voting-machines-flip-Senate-vote-on-straight-Dem-ticket-to-Cruz-Secty-of-State-blames-voters) :lol

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/27/1807603/-Texas-voting-machines-flip-Senate-vote-on-straight-Dem-ticket-to-Cruz-Secty-of-State-blames-voters?detail=emaildkre

"user error?" :lol

any "user" who thinks the shitbag Repugs in shit hole TX are trustworthy, honest, fair play people is in "error"

[boutons_deux]

Shit hole TX embellishing its reputation

Reports of Voter Intimidation at Polling Places in Texas


Election official in Dallas County says it’s the worst she’s seen in decades.

The county’s nonpartisan election administrator said that the harassment — including name-calling and interrogating voters waiting in line — is the worst she’s seen in decades.

“I’ve been here for 30 years, and this harassment that’s going on, I haven’t ever seen the likes of this,”

“I’ve seen some other things, props being used and whatnot, but nothing like this type of mentality or aggressiveness or demeaning type of actions.”

election administrators received

complaints of a partisan poll watcher looking over voter’s shoulders as they cast their ballots and questioning voters on their politics. :lol

The person was later escorted out by Mesquite Police Department officers on Monday after refusing to leave the premises

Poll greeters at Dallas’ Lochwood Library reported being “harassed” and “verbally abused” and described

a person with a bullhorn driving by yelling about “baby killers,”

multiple reports emerged of a person standing beyond the 100-foot-perimeter accosting voters as they arrived to vote,

calling people “bipolar” and “alligators who live in swamps.”

When harassment occurs, however, it can be

particularly discouraging for those inexperienced with voting,

“If you are a first time voter

— say a young voter or a minority voter, a newly enfranchised Hispanic citizen voting for the first time —

and you have some aggressive white guy yelling at you as you walk in, it might have a negative effect.

It’s meant to dissuade people from voting,”

Rolando Pablos, Texas’ secretary of state, said “everyone should continue to treat their fellow Texans with dignity” :lol :lol :lol

an unexpectedly close Senate race between Republican incumbent Ted Cruz and Democratic challenger Beto O’Rourke, which has driven record-breaking registration (https://www.propublica.org/article/voter-registration-around-austin-smashed-records-that-may-be-a-problem) and early voting turnout (https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article220487450.html).

https://www.alternet.org/reports-voter-intimidation-polling-places-texas

[boutons_deux]

SCOTUS 6-2 Allows ND Repugs to suppress 10Ks of Heidi Heitkamp voters.

After Heitkamp won, ND Repugs ramped up voter suppression

"Ginsburg noted that the appeals court said voters have a month to "adapt" to the new requirement.

However, she wrote that Hovland in his ruling said that

70,000 state residents lack a qualifying ID and

about 18,000 residents also lack supplemental documentation sufficient to permit them to vote.

Ginsburg then re-emphasized that the decision could result in "the all too real risk of grand-scale voter confusion.""

https://www.inforum.com/news/government-and-politics/4511372-supreme-court-rules-6-2-favor-north-dakotas-voter-id-law

Indians have PO Boxes, not the no-mandatory street address.

ND Repug cowboys racially cleansing Indians from the voting booth.

ND has only 750K residents.

[Winehole23]

sounds like Waller County, Tx

[boutons_deux]

fucking racist shithole red state / slave state shitbag Repugs

How to Punish Voters

The prosecution of individual voters for fraud is a trend that seems intended to intimidate.

Aggressive prosecution of black voters, particularly community leaders, for dubious voting "offenses" is one of the several tactics of voter suppression.

Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp, the chief elections official in the state, is a pioneer of present-day voter suppression.

Mr. Kemp has a record of making it harder for people to register to vote, and more difficult for those voters to remain on the rolls.

Since 2012, his office has canceled more (https://www.wabe.org/voting-rights-become-a-flashpoint-in-georgia-governors-race/) than 1.4 million voter registrations.

In July 2017, over half a million people (https://www.apmreports.org/story/2018/10/19/georgia-voter-purge) — 8 percent of the state’s registered voters — were purged in a single day.

As of earlier this month, over 50,000 people’s registrations, filed before the deadline to vote in the coming midterm election, were listed as on hold.

Seventy percent had been filed by black applicants.

Even as Mr. Kemp claims his draconian voting policies are intended to prevent fraud, it’s clear that

his real aim is to weaken black voting power in a state where political affiliation is largely dictated by race.

He has warned his fellow Republicans about Democrats “registering all these minority voters.”

voter suppression also happens in ways that aren’t as well-known, and are even more insidious.

In particular,

local prosecutors have increasingly brought criminal charges against black voters and community activists for small technical infractions.

They’re sending the

frightening message that casting a ballot is risky

— a message that resonates even when the charges turn out to be baseless and the people charged are acquitted.

It began six years ago, on the first day of early voting in Georgia, when a black woman named Diewanna Robinson went to cast her ballot. Ms. Robinson, then 21, had never voted before and didn’t know how to operate the electronic voting machine, reported Buzzfeed (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/joelanderson/this-is-what-happened-when-a-georgia-grandmother-went-on). She asked Ms. Pearson, more than 30 years her senior, for help.

Almost four years later, Ms. Pearson received a letter from District Attorney George Barnhill’s office, informing her that she was facing felony charges for improperly assisting Ms. Robinson. The city councilwoman and community leader was arrested and booked.

they insisted that because Ms. Robinson was not illiterate or disabled, she had not been entitled to even minimal verbal assistance.

Ms. Pearson’s case is a reminder that it can also take the form of the aggressive prosecution of individual black voters for polling-place offenses — which in many cases appears motivated less by a sincere desire to address fraud than by a desire to intimidate.

can nonetheless be seen as evidence of a disturbing trend. Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said

prosecutors are increasingly preying on “respected community leaders” in rural areas where they “anticipate people will not be able to shine a bright spotlight on what’s happened.”

One Quitman resident, Debra Dennard, was charged with two felonies (https://newrepublic.com/article/121715/georgia-secretary-state-hammers-minority-voter-registration-efforts) for helping her partly blind father fill out his absentee ballot.

Lula Smart was accused of assisting voters by carrying their sealed absentee ballots to the mailbox.

She was charged with 32 felony counts.

If convicted, she faced over 100 years in prison.

Mr. Trump, Mr. Kemp and their ilk are worried about is not voter fraud but access to the ballot for minorities and Democrats.

“This was without a doubt a racially motivated targeted prosecution of a woman who was exercising her right to get out the vote in her community,”

“I was tried because I’m black and outspoken,” Ms. Pearson told me.

it was also a victory for voter suppression.

making entire communities question whether it’s worth the risk to engage in one of the most sacred rights in a democratic society.

“Even when these prosecutions result in acquittal, the damage is done.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/opinion/election-voting-rights-fraud-prosecutions.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/opinion/election-voting-rights-fraud-prosecutions.html)

shitbag racist Kemp is running for GA gov against black woman

Of course, AL racist JeBo's DoJ remains hands off

[Winehole23]

I hope people read the article Boutons just posted.

It paints a frightful picture of what anti-voter fraud laws look like as applied in Georgia.

[clambake]

brian kemp, a true american patriot.

[baseline bum]

I hope people read the article Boutons just posted.

It paints a frightful picture of what anti-voter fraud laws look like as applied in Georgia.

The GOP has become the biggest piece of shit party the last decade. I miss the GOP of Bush 42 and before.

[boutons_deux]

The GOP has become the biggest piece of shit party the last decade. I miss the GOP of Bush 42 and before.

I miss the GOP of the '60s, and even Nixon GOP that created OSHA, EPA, etc.

When the VRWC/oligarchy bought the GOP in after Nixon went down, and esp when they got St Ronnie the Diseased into office, GOP totally abandoned good-faith governance, and degraded to bad-faith whored fellating of the oligarchy, St Ronnie's regime got the shitball rolling, real wage incomes essentially flat since 1980

[Winehole23]

court orders Ohio to count voters scrubbed between 2011-2015:


The Sixth Circuit ruled Wednesday that Ohio’s elections board must count provisional ballots cast in next week’s midterm election by residents who were purged from voter rolls between 2011 and 2015.

The Cincinnati-based federal appeals court found that the subset of voters who moved outside their previous voting district received confirmation notices that likely did not clarify they would be removed from voter registration rolls if they didn’t vote or change their voter registration within four years of receiving the notice.

“A statement that the individual ‘may be removed’ is not a statement that the individual ‘will be removed’ and a confirmation notice with such language appears at least in tension with, and likely in violation of, the [National Voter Registration Act],” according to the unsigned opinion (http://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/OhioVoting.pdf).https://www.courthousenews.com/ohio-ordered-to-count-ballots-from-purged-voters/

[boutons_deux]

Dodge City Says It Can’t Add Another Polling Place To Its One Outside City


The Kansas county clerk who moved the only polling site in the historic Wild West town of Dodge City to a facility

outside the city limits

more than a mile from the nearest bus stop

says it is not possible to add a second polling site for the upcoming election.

Cox refused for weeks to talk about improving the polling conditions prior to the lawsuit.

an ACLU lawyer told the judge that Cox forwarded one of their letters to the Kansas secretary of state’s office, with the notation “LOL.”

The ACLU noted that Cox moved the polling location just weeks before the election.


“She then compounded any confusion that abrupt change likely caused by incorrectly

informing hundreds of newly registered voters that they could vote at the original voting location,”

In recent decades, meatpacking plants have drawn to the town thousands of

Hispanics, who now make up a majority of the population.

moving the only polling site outside the city makes it more difficult for the city’s majority Hispanic population to vote

because they tend to have less access to transportation and

are less likely to have flexible work schedules.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/dodge-city-cannot-add-another-polling-place-to-outside-city?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

Repug shitholes gonna shithole

[Winehole23]

that's a month old. I bet you already posted it.

[Winehole23]

Voter fraud is vanishingly rare, why don't Republicans want all Texans to vote?


The state was recently named the fifth most difficult in the nation to cast a ballot, based on a Northern Illinois University study that reviewed election laws from 1996 to 2016. In 1996, the study ranked it as the 14th easiest state to vote.https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/11/02/easier-vote-california-texas-study-ranks-state-bottom-5

[Winehole23]

closing polls is easier than gerrymandering


Indiana’s Republican secretary of state, Connie Lawson—who has unusual power to close local precincts herself—has already announced (https://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/lake-newsletter/lake-news/indiana-secretary-of-state-to-lake-county-consolidate-precincts-or/article_874f5452-66d2-5529-97f2-c3bf3cc65ff0.html) that she’ll be shuttering a stunning 170 majority-Democratic polling places for 2020 in Lake County, the state’s largest and home to three of its biggest black populations in East Chicago, Hammond, and Gary.https://newrepublic.com/article/151966/gops-sneakiest-voter-suppression-tactic

[boutons_deux]

Judge rules against Brian Kemp over Georgia voting restrictions days before gubernatorial election

Georgia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/georgia/?tid=a_inl_auto) must change its procedures

to make it easier for some people flagged under the state’s restrictive “exact match” law to vote, a federal judge ruled Friday, dealing a blow to Republican gubernatorial candidate and Secretary of State Brian Kemp.

The “exact match” law flags voter registrations that are found to have discrepancies, such as a dropped hyphen, with other official identifications.

Potential voters are allowed to settle the discrepancy by providing proof of identity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/03/judge-rules-against-brian-kemp-over-georgia-voting-restrictions-days-before-gubernatorial-election/?utm_term=.26dab2e3f9fb

[Winehole23]

Kemp cried wolf before:


The Department of Homeland Security did not engage in a prolonged cyberattack against the state of Georgia, the DHS inspector general has determined.


"We have recently completed our investigation into these allegations and have determined that the activity Georgia noted on its computer networks was the result of normal and automatic computer message exchanges generated by the Microsoft applications involved," Inspector General John Roth wrote in a letter to House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (https://thehill.com/people/trey-gowdy) (R-S.C.) on Monday.


In December, Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp sent a letter (http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/309530-state-of-georgia-allegedly-accusing-homeland-security-of-attempted-hack) to then-Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson accusing the DHS of 10 cyberattacks of varying sizes around the time of the 2016 presidential election, implying that the alleged attacks were related to the state turning down DHS help to secure election systems.

"On November 15, 2016, an IP address associated with the Department of Homeland Security made an unsuccessful attempt to penetrate the Georgia Secretary of State's firewall. I am writing you to ask whether DHS was aware of this attempt and, if so, why DHS was attempting to breach our firewall," he wrote.
https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/339734-investigation-shows-dhs-did-not-hack-georgia-state-computers

[Winehole23]

Kemp must be shook. Looks like he's concocting a pretext for a challenge.


With just two days until the election, Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp’s office is investigating a hacking attempt into the state’s voter registration system. The department is pointing the finger at The Democratic Party of Georgia and claims the party is under investigation.


According to a news release sent out by the secretary of state’s office, the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have been alerted to a failed hacking attempt on the state’s voter registration system that occurred Saturday night, Nov. 3.


“While we cannot comment on the specifics of an ongoing investigation, I can confirm that the Democratic Party of Georgia is under investigation for possible cyber crimes,” said Candice Broce, Press Secretary. “We can also confirm that no personal data was breached and our system remains secure.”
https://www.underthegeorgiasun.com/2018/11/04/brian-kemps-office-accuses-democrats-of-attempting-to-hack-into-georgias-voter-registration-system/

[Winehole23]

kinda weird that the person overseeing the election should also be a candidate for the highest office in the state. seems like the most obvious conflict of interest there could be.

[Winehole23]

sure looks like he's using his office to put his thumb on the scale, right before the election

[Spurs Homer]

kinda weird that the person overseeing the election should also be a candidate for the highest office in the state. seems like the most obvious conflict of interest there could be.

He has been repeatedly asked to resign - the shitbag refuses.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs have realized that their shit is never held accountable, never policed, so they pile up the shit, following shitbag Trash's example and knowing the oligarchy does not care and keeps corruption funds flowing

eg, ND where Repug judge ruled screwing Indians was maybe bad but let's first keep Indians from voting, defeat Heitkamp then look into it.

The Repugs are now a 100% BAD FAITH corrupt shithouse working exclusively for the oligarchy

Citizens voting is ineffective, meaningless, and dog-and-pony show continuing the myth that USA is democracy.

[boutons_deux]

OHIO VOTERS FACE ENDLESS OBSTACLES TO VOTING

Voting Machines

Valid ID

Voter Registration Purge

Absentee Ballot Problems

https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/11/03/ohio-voters-face-endless-obstacles-to-voting/

[Winehole23]

One more thing about Brian Kemp.

A few months before he cried wolf on the 2016 "DHS cyberattack", he refused a federal grant to secure the GA voting system against such attacks, saying it was "trying to subvert the Constitution."

[ElNono]

DA cites 'compassion' for not prosecuting voter fraud case

District Attorney David Learner tried on Wednesday to justify not prosecuting a woman who admitted she pretended to be her dead mother so she could vote a second time for President Donald Trump during the presidential election in November.

Learner sent a press release out on Wednesday appearing to use the woman’s age and lack of criminal history as reasons he chose not to charge the woman.

Learner said in the release that on March 3, an investigator with the North Carolina State Board of Elections submitted information for his review of a case of alleged voter fraud that occurred in Catawba County in November 2016.

He said the suspect is a 67-year-old woman who lives in Catawba County who has never been in trouble a day in her life other than a couple of minor traffic tickets.

“Her mother was 89 years old and a huge supporter of Donald Trump,” Learner said in the release. “She had intended to vote by absentee ballot but had not completed the ballot when she unexpectedly had a massive stroke and died on Oct. 26, 2016.”

Learner said prior to the mother’s death, she had instructed her daughter that if anything happened to her, the daughter was to use her Power of Attorney and vote for Donald Trump.

“This was her mother’s last request,” Learner said.

However, a Power of Attorney becomes null and void when the person dies.

https://www.morganton.com/news/da-cites-compassion-for-not-prosecuting-voter-fraud-case/article_766b15cc-2ad8-11e7-abfa-8f9665252d92.html

[Will Hunting]

What’s happening in Georgia right now is criminal. This is approaching stuff totalitarian dictators do to win elections.

[Winehole23]

yep.

it won't be long before we need a third Reconstruction.

[boutons_deux]

What’s happening in Georgia right now is criminal. This is approaching stuff totalitarian dictators do to win elections.

Repugs know their crimes, lies, slanders, cheating will not be punished, so they've been running wild, and running America down.

[Winehole23]

last year Georgia destroyed election data related to a lawsuit that alleged voting was hacked. the records were destroyed three days after Brian Kemp was informed of the lawsuit:

https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/georgia-destroyed-election-data-right-after-a-lawsuit-alleged-the-system-was-vulnerable.html

[Winehole23]

the investigation Brian Kemp just opened is based on vulnerabilities in the state election system pointed out by Democratic officials, to security experts:


From the reporting, it appears that the vulnerability is the kind of mistake that was common on the web two decades ago, that once you've logged in you can access anyone else's content just by changing the URL. Basically anyone with any degree of knowledge of online security learned to block such a vulnerability at least a decade or more ago. It is astounding that such a vulnerability might still exist online, let alone on something as vital and key to democracy as a state election system.


It appears that this is the basis of Kemp's new investigation. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20181104/23204140978/georgias-brian-kemp-no-good-very-bad-claim-that-democrats-were-hacking-voter-registration-system.shtml

[Winehole23]

A later story on WhoWhatWhy details that it wasn't the Democratic Party who had discovered the vulnerability in the first place, but rather someone else, who then contacted a lawyer for someone already suing Kemp over weaknesses in Georgia's election system:


A man who claims to be a Georgia resident said he stumbled upon files in his My Voter Page on the secretary of state’s website. He realized the files were accessible. That man then reached out to one of Cross’s clients, who then put the source and Cross in touch on Friday.

The next morning, Cross called John Salter, a lawyer who represents Kemp and the secretary of state’s office. Cross also notified the FBI.


As noted above, WhoWhatWhy reached out to multiple security experts who all confirmed the vulnerability -- and apparently all five of them noted that actually testing the vulnerability would be illegal. But all five of them were able to just look at the code on the site and confirm the vulnerability was real and could be used to alter voter information in the rolls, which is an especially big deal considering that one of Kemp's voter suppression methods was to insist that if any tiny bit of your information did not match what was in the rollbook, you couldn't vote.

The report further notes that the security researchers approached by WhoWhatWhy reached out to both US intelligence officials and the Coalition for Good Government, who also reached out to Kemp's own lawyers to alert him to the problems in the system:


Bruce Brown, a lawyer for the group, then reached out to Kemp’s attorneys to alert them of the problem. At 7:03 PM Saturday night, he emailed John Salter and Roy Barnes, former governor of Georgia, in their capacities as counsel to Secretary of State Kemp, to notify them of the serious potential cyber vulnerability in the registration files that had been discovered without any hacking at all, and that national intelligence officials had already been notified.
[....]

“What is particularly outrageous about this, is that I gave this information in confidence to Kemp’s lawyers so that something could be done about it without exposing the vulnerability to the public,” Brown told WhoWhatWhy. “Putting his own political agenda over the security of the election, Kemp is ignoring his responsibility to the people of Georgia.”

[Winehole23]

The first vulnerability identified in the email is on the My Voter Page, where voters can check their registration, the status of their mail-in or provisional ballots, or change their voter information. After following a commonly used link, one arrives at a page that is not secure. To view any file on the server that runs the My Voter Page nothing more is needed than typing any file name into the web browser, the experts said.

In addition to documents, files include things like network configuration files, cryptographic keys, and possibly even code that could be used to break into the server.

Because it would be illegal to explore what is available on the site, the extent of the vulnerability is still not known.

“Holy shit,” Duncan Buell told WhoWhatWhy when he logged onto the website. “Presumably, you could just hit the backspace button on the file, put in a new file name, and it would let you download that.”

Even if someone didn’t know the name of the document they were trying to access, they could instead find it by writing a code to probe the My Voter Page, said Buell, a computer science professor at the University of South Carolina and elections and voting technology expert.
https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/11/04/kemps-aggressive-gambit-to-distract-from-election-security-crisis/

[Winehole23]

The second vulnerability described in the email is found in the state’s online voter registration system.

In the code of the website — which anybody can access using their internet browser — there is a series of numbers that represent voters in a county. By changing a number in the web browser’s interface and then changing the county, it appears that anybody could download every single Georgia voter’s personally identifiable information and possibly modify voter data en masse.

In addition, voter history, absentee voting, and early voting data are all public record on the secretary of state’s website. If a bad actor wanted to target a certain voting group, all of the information needed is available for download.

“It’s so juvenile from an information security perspective that it’s crazy this is part of a live system,” Constable said.same article

[Winehole23]

What’s more, there don’t seem to be any security measures that could detect these changes or trace them back to a source, according to several of the experts.


Worse yet, a bad actor could easily pretend to be someone else, according to Constable. “In theory you could copy and paste that session ID or cookie — that unique string — and put it in your browser to emulate that person,” Constable said. “So not only could you access that person’s information and act as that person, you could then make changes under that person’s identity.”

[Winehole23]

essentially, Brian Kemp is investigating Georgia Democrats for pointing out egregious vulnerabilities in the elections system he oversees.

[boutons_deux]

red/slave state Repugs, Dedicated Guardians of the Mythical, Sacred Right To Vote

[Winehole23]

pattern of incompetence:


If the assessment of these vulnerabilities is accurate, it would be the fourth time in as many years that the private information of every voter in Georgia, as well as other information related to voting, has been exposed.


In 2015, an employee at the secretary of state’s office sent out personally identifiable information to 12 news media and political party organizations.



In August, 2016, computer researcher Logan Lamb, formerly of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, was able to access Georgia’s entire voter registration database, including all personally identifiable information. The system was not password protected and was vulnerable to being rewritten. He notified the state of the problem.


Then in February, 2017, Christopher Grayson — a Los Angeles-based security engineer — and Lamb found that the problem had not been fixed and that the same information was still unprotected.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

during the same period, 637 people in the US were killed by lightning strikes

[boutons_deux]

Georgia Officials Quietly Patched Security Holes They Said Didn’t Exist

the state was busily fixing problems in its voter registration

hours after the office of Secretary of State Brian Kemp, the Republican candidate for governor,

had insisted the system was secure.

in the evening hours of Sunday, as the political storm raged, ProPublica found state officials quietly rewriting the website’s computer code.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/georgia-officials-patch-security-holes?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[Will Hunting]

Arizona GOP now suing to stop 600,000 of mail in ballots from being counted.

Why is it that the GOP is always trying to limit the amount of votes that matter?

[boutons_deux]

Arizona GOP now suing to stop 600,000 of mail in ballots from being counted.

Why is it that the GOP is always trying to limit the amount of votes that matter?

"About 75 percent of Arizona voters cast ballots by mail,"

so AZ Repugs want to disenfranchise, for this race, 75% of the voters? :lol

[baseline bum]

Arizona GOP now suing to stop 600,000 of mail in ballots from being counted.

Why is it that the GOP is always trying to limit the amount of votes that matter?

Because they're from blue districts duh

[Winehole23]

Arizona GOP now suing to stop 600,000 of mail in ballots from being counted.

Why is it that the GOP is always trying to limit the amount of votes that matter?sue to stop the counting while you're ahead.

worked for GWB.

[Winehole23]

Only 147 votes, still, 100% illegal.

[Spurtacular]

Arizona GOP now suing to stop 600,000 of mail in ballots from being counted.

Why is it that the GOP is always trying to limit the amount of votes that matter?

That's a shit load of illegal alien votes right there, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

I’m sure Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656) Spurtacular (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49615) ducks (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13) are ready to combat the voter fraud exposed here :lmao

https://theweek.com/speedreads/807424/heavily-republican-florida-county-allowed-some-residents-vote-by-email-apparently-illegally (https://theweek.com/speedreads/807424/heavily-republican-florida-county-allowed-some-residents-vote-by-email-apparently-illegally)

A heavily Republican Florida county allowed some residents to vote by email, apparently illegally (https://theweek.com/speedreads/807424/heavily-republican-florida-county-allowed-some-residents-vote-by-email-apparently-illegally)

Slob thinks he knows my politics.

:lol Dip shit

[Winehole23]

That's a shit load of illegal alien votes right there, tbh.how did you reach this conclusion?

did your spidey sense tingle?

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, I guess I haven’t watched the youtube videos that you depend on to give you an opinion.

You don't know the glaring difference between me and ducks and chris. Not a big deal other than it makes you look a bit thick for habitually mentioning me with them.

[Spurtacular]

how did you reach this conclusion?

did your spidey sense tingle?

How did you not reach that conclusion? That's rhetorical. We all know it's a matter of convenience for you.

[Winehole23]

How did you not reach that conclusion?read these and explain how mail in ballots ended up in the hands of ineligible voters.

did the Republican AZ Secretary of State send mail in ballots to 600,000 illegal aliens?

https://www.fvap.gov/uploads/FVAP/Forms/fpca.pdf (https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml)

https://apps.azsos.gov/apps/election/election/Military/RegisterVoter1.aspx

[Spurtacular]

read these and explain how mail in ballots ended up in the hands of ineligible voters.

did the Republican AZ Secretary of State send mail in ballots to 600,000 illegal aliens?

https://www.fvap.gov/uploads/FVAP/Forms/fpca.pdf (https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml)

https://apps.azsos.gov/apps/election/election/Military/RegisterVoter1.aspx

Were you under the impression that I don't know the law?

:lol That you look up such boring links for nothing. That takes a special kind of person I think.

[Winehole23]

you cited the volume of mail in ballots as being evidence illegal aliens voted. I'm curious to know how you think that happened.

do you think Michelle Reagan sent mail in ballots to illegal aliens?

[Winehole23]

Were you under the impression that I don't know the law? Yep

[Winehole23]

:lol That you look up such boring links for nothing. That takes a special kind of person I think.I agree that dunking on your ignorant ass isn't anything special.

[Winehole23]

low hoop basketball, tbh

[Spurtacular]

Yep

Then, you're an idiot.

[LkrFan]

Voter fraud? David Dennison endorses it:
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SMH

[CosmicCowboy]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46161197_2686691794889987_9092577917480730624_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=9f2a0f9e2178c62a3d2fe699f9758ded&oe=5C64C517

[Winehole23]

Let's hear all the credible allegations of vote fraud in Broward County, FL, starting with you, Cosmic Cowboy.

[Spurs Homer]

Voter fraud? David Dennison endorses it:
1062353417283293184
SMH

Trump just following the orders of his boss.

[Winehole23]

Scott loses bid to impound voting machines, cites lack of evidence of any wrongdoing in Broward County elections:


Citing a lack of evidence pointing to any wrongdoing, Tuter stopped short of granting the Scott campaign’s request for an injunction to impound the machines. But he agreed with Scott’s lawyers that “there needs to be an additional layer of confidence” in the vote-recount system in Broward. The votes in the U.S. Senate race between Scott, the Republican, and Nelson, the Democrat, are part of the recount. Unofficially, Scott leads Nelson by about 12,500 votes.http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/Judge-Rejects-Florida-Governors-Bid-to-Impound-Voting-Machines-But-Offers-Compromise.html

[CosmicCowboy]

Let's hear all the credible allegations of vote fraud in Broward County, FL, starting with you, Cosmic Cowboy.

It's a joke Winehole. Lighten up, dude.

[Winehole23]

an ironic allegation of voter fraud resembles your penchant for ironic racism and hey, look!

a black face is the brunt of your joke.

[Winehole23]

you've done this too many times, CC. I can't let that pass.

[TSA]

Let's hear all the credible allegations of vote fraud in Broward County, FL, starting with you, Cosmic Cowboy.

1062192511727362048

[Pavlov]

1062192511727362048lol TSA

[Spurminator]

1062213837145997314
1062206852715425793
1062199445142560768

[Pavlov]

Verified and a yuge deal!
1062574337113423872

[Spurtacular]

I know.

And that is?

You don't know.

[Chris]

1063127108468330496

[Pavlov]

So far Chris has pimped voter fraud that has absolutely nothing to do with general elections.:tu

[Winehole23]

Hidalgo County politics is notoriously dirty. It doesn't surprise me people were paid to register at fake addresses and vote a certain way.

[Chris]

So far Chris has pimped voter fraud that has absolutely nothing to do with general elections.:tu

How am I "pimping" voter fraud?

[Pavlov]

How am I "pimping" voter fraud?As an issue, Chris.

lol

[ElNono]

9 votes in Hidalgo County is like what? 14%?

[Chris]

9 votes in Hidalgo County is like what? 14%?

Could be 7 or 5.5. Who cares right?

[ElNono]

Could be 7 or 5.5. Who cares right?

Quantifying the problem is important. Also thanks for pointing out that in the rare cases where it happens, the system catches them.

[TSA]

Florida Dems planned to use altered forms to fix mail ballots across state after deadline
https://amp.naplesnews.com/amp/2009178002?__twitter_impression=true

[Winehole23]

Florida Dems planned to use altered forms to fix mail ballots across state after deadline
https://amp.naplesnews.com/amp/2009178002?__twitter_impression=truethen Rick Scott picked up some more votes in the machine recount.

the fix is in!

[Chris]

1063205753954230274
1063205756793733120
1063205761373913088
1063206555582164994
1063208428879966209

[Winehole23]

certification delayed in NC-9, alleged absentee ballot shenanigans big enough to sway a very close election.




The allegations are apparently behind this week’s decision by the State Board of Elections and Ethics Reform to not certify the results of the congressional race in the 9th District.

The decision came after board member Joshua Malcolm of Robeson County cited what he called “unfortunate activities” in that part of the district. The board voted 9-0 not to certify the 9th District results.

“After pulling the fire alarm on Tuesday, the State Board cannot in good conscience certify the election three days later, when so much smoke continues to hang over this election,” he wrote.


Wallace went on to say a review of public records “confirms that serious irregularities and improprieties may have occurred.” Bladen County had the highest percentage of absentee ballot requests in the state. There, 7.5 percent of registered voters requested absentee ballots. In most counties it was less than 3 percent.

An analysis by Catawba College political scientist Michael Bitzer suggested more aberrations.

In seven of the eight counties in the 9th District, for example, McCready won a lopsided majority of the mailed-in absentee ballots. But not in Bladen County. There, Republican Mark Harris won 61 percent even though registered Republicans accounted for only 19 percent (http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/2018/11/ncs-closest-congressional-contest-gets.html#more) of the county’s accepted absentee ballots.


https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/sworn-affidavits-allege-us-house-district-9-election-was-mishandled/880454598
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article222363510.html

[boutons_deux]

The new lawsuit challenging Georgia’s entire elections system, explained

Groups allied with Stacey Abrams argue that voting restrictions didn’t just hurt voters of color, it undermined the legitimacy of the state’s elections.

an organization led by Abrams’s allies and backed by the former candidate has filed a lawsuit that seeks to overhaul the state’s controversial election system, arguing that the current system violates the constitutional rights of voters of color.

The lawsuit names the state board of elections and interim Georgia Secretary of State Robyn Crittenden as its main defendants, but the lawsuit is

truly aimed at Kemp, who did not resign from his position (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/8/18075526/brian-kemp-resigns-midterms-georgia-stacey-abrams) as the state’s chief elections officer until two days after the election.

voting issues that affected the state including

voter purges,

registration applications put on hold,

Election Day troubles at predominantly nonwhite voting precincts, and

problems with voters’ absentee and provisional ballots.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/30/18118264/georgia-election-lawsuit-voter-suppression-abrams-kemp-race

[boutons_deux]

Actual election fraud may have taken place in this North Carolina race —

but it looks like it helped the Republican

There is a possibility the 9th Congressional District results will simply be thrown out and the election redone.

https://www.alternet.org/election-03918/north-carolina-election-fraud-board-elections-meeting

Capitalism and democracy are antithetical.

The Capitalist oligarchy pushing hard, as forever, for a one-party, authoritarian AmeriKKKa.

[Winehole23]

*Someone* solicited incomplete absentee ballots and may have destroyed absentee ballots for McCready.

[Winehole23]

A Bladen County official with a criminal record hired a crew to pick up absentee ballots, who turned them over to him. The number of ballots may or may not have been enough to sway the election, but what was done was illegal as hell.

http://amp.wsoctv.com/news/local/channel-9-uncovers-similarities-between-absentee-ballots-in-us-house-district-9-race/882660808?__twitter_impression=true

[Winehole23]

back in the tall weeds:

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[Winehole23]

soliciting absentee ballots, then harvesting them:


McCrae’s workers “would come to your house, they would get you to fill out an absentee ballot to be sent to your house. They would go back and pick it up and then seal it and then find two witnesses. They [brought] them in and said for me to witness them and I told McCrae I didn’t want to do that but we had no else,” Jessica Dowless said, referring to the state law that requires all absentee ballots be witnessed by two people.https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/dowless-britt-inside-north-carolina-absentee-ballot-machine

[Winehole23]

all the posters who care about the integrity of the vote seem to have gotten scarce.

the Bladen County story might be the worst case of voting fraud ever posted to this forum.

[koriwhat]

all the posters who care about the integrity of the vote seem to have gotten scarce.

the Bladen County story might be the worst case of voting fraud ever posted to this forum.

voter fraud on either side is ridiculous however i am never going to read anything from that shit outlet buzzfeed but thanks anyhow. i read your quotes though.

[Winehole23]

Plenty of other outlets to pick from. I posted stories from two local sources upstream if Buzzfeed makes you queasy.

Fwiw, Republican officials have refused to certify an election a Republican won. Must be pretty bad.

[spurraider21]

voter fraud on either side is ridiculous however i am never going to read anything from that shit outlet buzzfeed but thanks anyhow. i read your quotes though.
what's a non-partisan source that you WOULD read anything from?

[Chris]

1070350495473053696

[spurraider21]

“To say we were caught flat-footed by this is just not true,” California GOP spokesman Matt Fleming told Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ballot-harvesting-bounty-how-dems-used-election-law-change-to-rout-california-republicans). “We were well aware of this, we even did it ourselves, we pay attention to election laws.”

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-what-is-ballot-harvesting-in-california-election-code-20181204-htmlstory.html

[Winehole23]

feel free to show how Democrats used ballot harvesting to screw Republicans, Chris.

we're all ears.

[Chris]

1070372144863952896

:tu

Also it is illegal in Arizona

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/05/10/judge-upholds-arizonas-ballot-harvesting-ban-democrats-vow-appeal/596855002/

[DarrinS]

Voter fraud exists and is a problem now? Lol

[Pavlov]

Voter fraud exists and is a problem now? Lollol Darrin believed all the propaganda

[Winehole23]

Voter fraud exists and is a problem now? Lolabsentee ballots are a way bigger problem than voter impersonation.

please try to keep up.

[koriwhat]

what's a non-partisan source that you WOULD read anything from?

name some and i'll let you know.

[koriwhat]

Plenty of other outlets to pick from. I posted stories from two local sources upstream if Buzzfeed makes you queasy.

Fwiw, Republican officials have refused to certify an election a Republican won. Must be pretty bad.

like i said, ridiculous no matter what side. it's 2018 and we're still having these dumb fucking issues? we have gps where we communicate with satellites thousand of miles away but we can't get voting squared away without any cheating going on? we are all too docile and allow this to go on forever and ever because our people have no fight any longer and haven't for decades.

[DarrinS]

absentee ballots are a way bigger problem than voter impersonation.

please try to keep up.


Yet you brushed off the video Chris posted

[Pavlov]

name some and i'll let you know.lol scared sissy

[Pavlov]

Yet you brushed off the video Chris postedExplain the danger, Darrin.

[Winehole23]

Yet you brushed off the video Chris postedI watched it.

What do you think it shows?

[koriwhat]

lol scared sissy

fuck off already you fucking bitch!

[DarrinS]

I watched it.

What do you think it shows?


Someone trying to pick up a ballot, but only if they were voting D.

[Winehole23]

Someone trying to pick up a ballot, but only if they were voting D.Granting you're right about that, how can Democrats screw Republicans that way?

Or, to put it another way, what's illegal, immoral or unethical about that?

[DarrinS]

Granting you're right about that, how can Democrats screw Republicans that way?

Or, to put it another way, what's illegal, immoral or unethical about that?


Seems a bit sketchy to me

[Winehole23]

how so?

[Pavlov]

fuck off already you fucking bitch!
Why are you so afraid to say what you think are credible news sources?

[Winehole23]

Seems a bit sketchy to mei don't know anything about California election law, but if it's legal for ballot harvesters to discriminate by party affiliation, what's the issue? (if illegal, the person in the vid should be prosecuted.)

are Republican absentees prevented from using the US mail? does the CA GOP not offer equivalent convenience to Republican voters?

[Pavlov]

Seems a bit sketchy to meHow is it fraud?

[Winehole23]

in the NC case, operatives were collecting incomplete and unsigned ballots. in the vid Chris posted, the harvester said she can't accept a ballot that is unsigned or unsealed.

how are these two cases similar?

[koriwhat]

Why are you so afraid to say what you think are credible news sources?

dude seriously? idgaf about you or anything you have to ask of me or say to me. i fucking don't like you and would rather not deal with you altogether. see a thread i'm in, don't quote me, reply to me, etc because idgaf to read anything you have to say. you're a bitch and a bitch i don't ever want to know here or in real life nor do i want to deal with here or in real life.

what don't you understand? don't reply, just stfu already and move along.

[Pavlov]

dude seriously? idgaf about you or anything you have to ask of me or say to me. i fucking don't like you and would rather not deal with you altogether. see a thread i'm in, don't quote me, reply to me, etc because idgaf to read anything you have to say. you're a bitch and a bitch i don't ever want to know here or in real life nor do i want to deal with here or in real life.

what don't you understand? don't reply, just stfu already and move along.lol you could have just answered the question someone else asked.

Would've saved you this latest meltdown.

You're completely incapable of discussing anything.

lol kori

[koriwhat]

lol you could have just answered the question someone else asked.

Would've saved you this latest meltdown.

You're completely incapable of discussing anything.

lol kori

fucking die already bitch!

[Winehole23]

ballot destruction alleged in NC09


Over a thousand absentee ballots from likely Democratic voters may have been destroyed in the race for North Carolina's 9th Congressional District last monthhttps://thehill.com/homenews/house/419979-over-a-thousand-absentee-ballots-possibly-destroyed-in-controversial-north

[DarrinS]

ballot destruction alleged in NC09

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/419979-over-a-thousand-absentee-ballots-possibly-destroyed-in-controversial-north


That’s just wrong, which is why ballot “harvesting” should be illegal.

[Pavlov]

That’s just wrong, which is why ballot “harvesting” should be illegal.Easy enough to track the ballots to prevent their destruction. Few figured Republicans would stoop this low.

But there they are....

[Winehole23]

That’s just wrong, which is why ballot “harvesting” should be illegal.illegal in NC, legal in CA.

our silly federalistic system lets states do it however they want

[Winehole23]

That’s just wrong, which is why ballot “harvesting” should be illegal.so long as signed, sealed and trackable ballots are delivered directly to elections officials, what's the problem?

[boutons_deux]

so long as signed, sealed and trackable ballots are delivered directly to elections officials, what's the problem?

how would a voter prove his harvested ballot was counted? was not modified?

[boutons_deux]

illegal in NC, legal in CA.

our silly federalistic system lets states do it however they want

Freedom! states rights!

... and an assumption of good faith by the states. BAD assumption. but that was the sausage making to get the Constitution approved.

[Winehole23]

how would a voter prove his harvested ballot was counted? was not modified?good question, in some states there are procedures for that.

it seems obvious that absentee ballots can be monkeyed with, the incidence of voter impersonation is statistically vanishing.

one of my stock responses to people who ask if I believe election fraud is a problem is "yes, take a closer look at absentee balloting."

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

1070730882816856065Do you think this is a bigger "bombshell" than NC-9, Chris?

I don't.

Do you even know what NC-9 means?

[koriwhat]

:lmao this meltdown over a simple question

it's everyday and multiple times during the day. the dude is a bitch straight up just like you are ya fat fuck.

[Winehole23]

you know it's bad when the election winner says he's open to a do-over:

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