LOL Stephen "I Wanna Be Kobe" Curry

[spurraider21]

i'll preemptively bump this for dmc despite the 9 first half assists

[DMC]

i'll preemptively bump this for dmc despite the 9 first half assists



Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
39
10-21
0-0
3-4
4
7
11
0
3
1
0
1
23


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
36
4-10
1-2
0-0
0
4
4
0
0
0
3
1
9


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
27
4-8
0-0
0-0
7
5
12
1
1
2
2
2
8


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
45
7-16
2-7
6-7
1
5
6
15

0

1
1
4
22


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
38

12-19
3-5
3-3
0
3
3
5
2
0
2
2
30



BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
10
3-5
0-0
0-0
2
2
4
1
0
0
0
2
6


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
21
2-5
1-3
0-0
0
5
5
1
0
0
1
4
5


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
17
1-2
0-0
0-0
1
1
2
0
0
1
1
4
2


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
3
1-1
1-1
0-0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
3


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
3
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
DNP LEFT HAMSTRING STRAIN


Festus Ezeli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6587/festus-ezeli), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Dewayne Dedmon (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913/dewayne-dedmon), C
DNP


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
PTS



44-88
8-18
12-14
15
32
47
24
6
5
10
20
108



Just more evidence that a PG needs to pass the ball instead of shoot on every possession, but you already know I'm right which is why you bumped it as a defensive mechanism. Don't worry, my take is time tested, you're just taking a stick graph of a moment in the life of the game itself and pretending to be right about chucking.

[spurraider21]

you cherry pick your sample games as well. this is actually the first season (and we're about a quarter of the way in) that klay's shooting figures are higher than Steph's, and a big part of that was Steph's miserable shooting start to the season as well as his improved playmaking, as evidenced by his current career high assist average

[DMC]

you cherry pick your sample games as well. this is actually the first season (and we're about a quarter of the way in) that klay's shooting figures are higher than Steph's, and a big part of that was Steph's miserable shooting start to the season as well as his improved playmaking, as evidenced by his current career high assist average

When did I start calling Curry a chucker? During the playoffs as I recall. The evidence supports it. It supports my assertion that he needs to pass more. When he does, they do better than when he scores a bunch of points on chucking.

You can believe me now or believe me later, but you'll eventually believe me. You just might not admit it.

[spurraider21]

curry passes plenty. it is his legendary shooting ability that makes him a special player, and he is right in taking advantage of it. in fact, it is the fear of his long ball that generates a lot of what the warriors do on offense. klay benefits greatly from playing alongside curry

[DMC]

curry passes plenty. it is his legendary shooting ability that makes him a special player, and he is right in taking advantage of it. in fact, it is the fear of his long ball that generates a lot of what the warriors do on offense. klay benefits greatly from playing alongside curry

Him being a "special player" has nothing to do with the playoff hopes of the Warriors. In fact, it was that "special" that the Spurs exploited in the playoffs in 4th quarters when he would go all Kobe and shoot his team out of the game.

That's what chuckers do. It doesn't mean they aren't good shooters, or even great shooters, but basketball is a team game, and you're not going to get there playing "special player" hero ball.

[TDMVPDPOY]

curry is overrated man, nothing a but a chucker or who only scores when no one is in his grill....

seems like a overglorified monte ellis or gilbert arenas

[DMC]

I think he has the potential to be a great PG, but his coach has to make a call on whether or not he wants a shoot first PG. He'll get accolades for his scoring, and most nut huggers here never give a shit about his true effect on the overall success of the team. The majority of shit talkers here are just player fans, not team fans or fans of the game. They love certain players and want those guys to score a lot of points.

Curry is a chucker for the reasons I pointed out. He does the same thing Kobe does. Both score points, both can get assists if they want to. Both have coaches that allow it. Curry could win a ring if he had the best center of all time and a 4 HOFers around him though.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I think he has the potential to be a great PG, but his coach has to make a call on whether or not he wants a shoot first PG. He'll get accolades for his scoring, and most nut huggers here never give a shit about his true effect on the overall success of the team. The majority of shit talkers here are just player fans, not team fans or fans of the game. They love certain players and want those guys to score a lot of points.

Curry is a chucker for the reasons I pointed out. He does the same thing Kobe does. Both score points, both can get assists if they want to. Both have coaches that allow it. Curry could win a ring if he had the best center of all time and a 4 HOFers around him though.

a chucking pg can never be great man....

[kamikazi_player]

curry is overrated man, nothing a but a chucker or who only scores when no one is in his grill....

seems like a overglorified monte ellis or gilbert arenas

Tell me who do you think will be a potential great player? Seems like all you like to do is talk shit about every NBA player

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
43
5-14
0-0
4-4
5
11
16
2
0
0
4
2
-1
14


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
40
6-13
0-3
2-4
0
9
9
3
2
0
1
2
-5
14


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
25
4-4
0-0
0-0
1
11
12
1
0
2
2
4
-6
8


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
46
14-32
5-16
10-12
1
5
6
9
0
2
4
4
+3
43


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
46
9-19
4-12
0-0
1
1
2
5
0
1
2
5
0
22


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
1
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-5
0


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
18
1-5
1-5
0-0
0
3
3
0
0
1
0
1
+3
3


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
16
1-2
0-0
2-2
2
3
5
0
1
0
1
4
+3
4


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
2
1-1
1-1
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
1
-7
3


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
2
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
-4
0


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
Has not entered game


Dewayne Dedmon (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913/dewayne-dedmon), C
Has not entered game


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
Has not entered game


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



41-90
11-37
18-22
10
43
53
20
3
6
15
24

111



PG taking 32 shots? How's that chucking?

lol "but... but... but... he scored 43 points!"

And they lost. Just like Kobe

[Tuddy]

The real question is how bad was the D that Curry got 12 Free throw attempts.

[DMC]

The real question is how bad was the D that Curry got 12 Free throw attempts.

Good enough to beat the Warriors. It's a ref thing, just like with Harden. They watch certain players and if you touch them at all, it's a foul. Others, especially new players, you can split their fucking melons with nary a whistle.

[spurraider21]

yikes. 5/16 from 3 is an ugly ass line. shit game by steph

[DMC]

:lol HDMD playing Steph and Klay 46 minutes in a meaningless game they lost anyhow.

What a shitty coach.

[DMC]

yikes. 5/16 from 3 is an ugly ass line. shit game by steph

Come on nigga, :downspin: that shit. Talk about the 43 points and how Curry scored like 19 points in the 4th and almost brought them back. He's a baller, remember?

[spurraider21]

Come on nigga, :downspin: that shit. Talk about the 43 points and how Curry scored like 19 points in the 4th and almost brought them back. He's a baller, remember?
nothing there to spin. shitty performance. to compound it, kemba walker went off on him. i call it how i see it. curry has by in large been efficient, so i've been a fan of his. kobe has by in large been inefficient, so i'm not as big a fan. just because i said kobe's 81 point game was a great game (which most people wouldn't dispute) you starting losing your mind and calling me a kobe fan, when its been no secret that i hate kobe. quit playing agendas so hard

[DMC]

nothing there to spin. shitty performance. to compound it, kemba walker went off on him. i call it how i see it. curry has by in large been efficient, so i've been a fan of his. kobe has by in large been inefficient, so i'm not as big a fan. just because i said kobe's 81 point game was a great game (which most people wouldn't dispute) you starting losing your mind and calling me a kobe fan, when its been no secret that i hate kobe. quit playing agendas so hard

You seem attracted to individual heroics instead of team play. Makes me wonder why you watch the Spurs who have no real heroics in the game other than Tony getting tunnel vision at times. You seem to believe those heroics can strengthen the team, when it's been shown countless times that they are detrimental to having a solid team at both ends of the floor. It's accepted by many that letting teammates get touches means they play harder on the defensive end. The mistrust in teammates required to go hero like Curry does is something we've seen in Kobe for his entire career. When I call that out, the horde that's since tucked tail and run falls more in line with the "I need a hero" line of thinking you employ. It's like you don't know a fucking thing about winning basketball games, like you're just a cheerleader for which ever nigga shoots the ball more.

[spurraider21]

You seem attracted to individual heroics instead of team play. Makes me wonder why you watch the Spurs who have no real heroics in the game other than Tony getting tunnel vision at times.
the warriors have become a better team since Curry got there. nowhere did i say i prefer individual heroics to team ball. your witch hunting is funny though, trying to find something that isn't there.

[DMC]

the warriors have become a better team since Curry got there. nowhere did i say i prefer individual heroics to team ball. your witch hunting is funny though, trying to find something that isn't there.

Bullshit. If you aren't here arguing against the OP what the fuck are you doing? Don't try that "agree to disagree" with me bullshit. I'm ramming this down your throat whether you like it or not. Curry is a chucker from the Kobe mold. He wants to be that way. All you've done so far is insinuate he doesn't have another option.

[spurraider21]

Bullshit. If you aren't here arguing against the OP what the fuck are you doing? Don't try that "agree to disagree" with me bullshit. I'm ramming this down your throat whether you like it or not. Curry is a chucker from the Kobe mold. He wants to be that way. All you've done so far is insinuate he doesn't have another option.
it's hard to take you seriously when you called me a kobe idolizer the other day. you're just looking for a fight son, and i dont have the time. Curry had a shit game, but big picture he's an efficient player who has no problem passing. klay thompson benefits greatly from playing alongside curry

[DMC]

it's hard to take you seriously when you called me a kobe idolizer the other day. you're just looking for a fight son, and i dont have the time. Curry had a shit game, but big picture he's an efficient player who has no problem passing. klay thompson benefits greatly from playing alongside curry

You respond 1 minute after I post regardless what time of day it happens to be. I'd say you have nothing but time, because your takes are too shitty for you to have anything to offer.

"but big picture..." Newsflash... this is the big picture: He's a chucker. He will always be a chucker until he gets in a program that moves the ball. He'd stand out like a turd in a punchbowl, like a spook in deer camp.

A dude who takes 32 shots in loss has a real hard time passing, it seems. His assists are due to the fact he only passes to Klay who then only shoots. The others play cleanup. Gee who does that sound like? Must not be Kobe, else you'd agree with the OP and shut your cockswabber. His last few seconds heave with a hand in his face that was put back by Lee is evidence he's more interested in heroics than in winning. Sure you can pretend he's the best player on the planet, but without team basketball, they are just a gimmicky team with a chucking PG.

[spurraider21]

It's not hard to understand why Stephen Curry shoots more than the average point guard. He's still young, but its still easily one of the most prolific shooters in league history. Last year he famously broke the record for 3 pointers made in a season... and did it shooting over 45% from 3 point range. The guy is a deadly shooter, so yes he is going to shoot more than a guy like Chris Paul. That said, his shooting ability opens up the floor for their offense. With defenses playing him tight, pick and rolls become more effective, and he is a good ball-handler and passer. The warriors offense absolutely feeds on everything he does. He has missed 1 game this season, and in that game, the Warriors managed to score 81 points in the entire game, including overtime.

A guy like Steve Nash, who is considered to be one of the best offensive point guards of this generation, a guy who is a great and willing passer, was seen as a chucker on his Dallas days. His game evolved. Curry's career is off to a great start, and he's only going to get better as his point guard abilities continue to develop.

[DMC]

It's not hard to understand why Stephen Curry shoots more than the average point guard. He's still young, but its still easily one of the most prolific shooters in league history. Last year he famously broke the record for 3 pointers made in a season... and did it shooting over 45% from 3 point range. The guy is a deadly shooter, so yes he is going to shoot more than a guy like Chris Paul. That said, his shooting ability opens up the floor for their offense. With defenses playing him tight, pick and rolls become more effective, and he is a good ball-handler and passer. The warriors offense absolutely feeds on everything he does. He has missed 1 game this season, and in that game, the Warriors managed to score 81 points in the entire game, including overtime.

A guy like Steve Nash, who is considered to be one of the best offensive point guards of this generation, a guy who is a great and willing passer, was seen as a chucker on his Dallas days. His game evolved. Curry's career is off to a great start, and he's only going to get better as his point guard abilities continue to develop.



Oklahoma City Thunder


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Kevin Durant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant), SF
46
9-19
1-5
9-9
1
1
2
3
2
0
3
3
0
28


Serge Ibaka (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3439/serge-ibaka), PF
27
2-4
0-0
0-0
1
6
7
2
1
1
1
3
-6
4


Kendrick Perkins (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2018/kendrick-perkins), C
18
2-5
0-0
0-0
0
3
3
0
0
0
0
2
+4
4


Thabo Sefolosha (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3028/thabo-sefolosha), SG
27
2-7
1-3
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
1
-19
5


Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook), PG
45
20-32
0-3
3-3
1
6
7
5
1
0
3
3
0
43


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Derek Fisher (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/246/derek-fisher), PG
22
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
2
-5
0


Nick Collison (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1978/nick-collison), PF
17
3-4
0-0
0-0
3
1
4
1
0
1
0
1
0
6


James Harden (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden), SG
37
2-10
1-5
3-4
2
8
10
2
1
0
4
5
-4
8


Nazr Mohammed (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/568/nazr-mohammed), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Royal Ivey (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2387/royal-ivey), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Lazar Hayward (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4277/lazar-hayward), SF
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Daequan Cook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3196/daequan-cook), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Cole Aldrich (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4267/cole-aldrich), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



40-82
3-16
15-16
8
27
35
13
6
2
11
20

98



48.8%
18.8%
93.8%





Now, did Russell have a great game or did he chuck his team out of the game? Look at how good his shooting percentage was! He scored a lot of points!

Go ahead, go all double standard on me.

[spurraider21]

Oklahoma City Thunder


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Kevin Durant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant), SF
46
9-19
1-5
9-9
1
1
2
3
2
0
3
3
0
28


Serge Ibaka (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3439/serge-ibaka), PF
27
2-4
0-0
0-0
1
6
7
2
1
1
1
3
-6
4


Kendrick Perkins (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2018/kendrick-perkins), C
18
2-5
0-0
0-0
0
3
3
0
0
0
0
2
+4
4


Thabo Sefolosha (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3028/thabo-sefolosha), SG
27
2-7
1-3
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
1
-19
5


Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook), PG
45
20-32
0-3
3-3
1
6
7
5
1
0
3
3
0
43


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Derek Fisher (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/246/derek-fisher), PG
22
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
2
-5
0


Nick Collison (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1978/nick-collison), PF
17
3-4
0-0
0-0
3
1
4
1
0
1
0
1
0
6


James Harden (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden), SG
37
2-10
1-5
3-4
2
8
10
2
1
0
4
5
-4
8


Nazr Mohammed (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/568/nazr-mohammed), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Royal Ivey (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2387/royal-ivey), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Lazar Hayward (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4277/lazar-hayward), SF
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Daequan Cook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3196/daequan-cook), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Cole Aldrich (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4267/cole-aldrich), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



40-82
3-16
15-16
8
27
35
13
6
2
11
20

98



48.8%
18.8%
93.8%





Now, did Russell have a great game or did he chuck his team out of the game? Look at how good his shooting percentage was! He scored a lot of points!

Go ahead, go all double standard on me.
looks like a game where wetsbrook didn't get much help. harden going 2-10 with 4 turnovers as his primary backcourt mate certainly couldn't help.

if a player is having a good shooting night and is able to get good shots at will, it is his responsibility to convert. if the defense responds by collapsing on him and doubling, it is his responsibility to defer and use that opportunity to set up teammates. i do not remember this game off-hand. if westbrook jacked up a ton of contested 20 footers and they happened to fall, you could call it a bad game by westbrook where he was getting lucky. i suspect he was getting penetration and getting good shots in the lane. if he gets to the rack and has a layup opportunity, is it not the right play to lay it in?

who were they playing against? where is the other team's box score? was this in the finals?
oh and on a side note, was michael jordan a chucker?

[DMC]

looks like a game where wetsbrook didn't get much help. harden going 2-10 with 4 turnovers as his primary backcourt mate certainly couldn't help.

if a player is having a good shooting night and is able to get good shots at will, it is his responsibility to convert. if the defense responds by collapsing on him and doubling, it is his responsibility to defer and use that opportunity to set up teammates. i do not remember this game off-hand. if westbrook jacked up a ton of contested 20 footers and they happened to fall, you could call it a bad game by westbrook where he was getting lucky. i suspect he was getting penetration and getting good shots in the lane. if he gets to the rack and has a layup opportunity, is it not the right play to lay it in?

who were they playing against? where is the other team's box score? was this in the finals?
oh and on a side note, was michael jordan a chucker?

You're no longer qualified to discuss this. You don't even know what game this was. You obviously didn't see it so you don't have any idea what was happening and you assume that Russell wasn't getting any help. Anyone who saw it knows it was the biggest "fuck my team" chucking display in the history of the Finals, even AI couldn't pull that one off.

You also don't know that the term "team" means 5 individuals on the floor at the same time. It's not the best idea to go solo on the offensive end. You have a team around you for a reason. They have to play on the defensive end, do you think they will keep defending and never touch the ball on offense? How did that work with Shaq in 2004? Exactly. A PG has to involve his team on offense. That's their jobs.

[spurraider21]

You're no longer qualified to discuss this. You don't even know what game this was. You obviously didn't see it so you don't have any idea what was happening and you assume that Russell wasn't getting any help. Anyone who saw it knows it was the biggest "fuck my team" chucking display in the history of the Finals, even AI couldn't pull that one off.

You also don't know that the term "team" means 5 individuals on the floor at the same time. It's not the best idea to go solo on the offensive end. You have a team around you for a reason. They have to play on the defensive end, do you think they will keep defending and never touch the ball on offense? How did that work with Shaq in 2004? Exactly.
should i post half of a random box score and challenge to see if you can tell me which came it was? plus my guess was the finals game

[DMC]

should i post half of a random box score and challenge to see if you can tell me which came it was? plus my guess was the finals game

Then you still said he didn't have any help. Did you or did you not watch that game?

[spurraider21]

that game was lost by westbrook, but for committing an intentional foul when it wasn't even warranted

[DMC]

that game was lost by westbrook, but for committing an intentional foul when it wasn't even warranted

lol

So him playing hero ball had nothing to do with it with his mom in the audience? Are you for real?

[spurraider21]

Then you still said he didn't have any help. Did you or did you not watch that game?
i said that at first glance at the box score. near the end of my post, i asked what game it was and guessed finals.

[spurraider21]

lol

So him playing hero ball had nothing to do with it with his mom in the audience? Are you for real?
if having his mom in the audience is your form of evidence that he was trying to go hero, then lol right back at you

[DMC]

if having his mom in the audience is your form of evidence that he was trying to go hero, then lol right back at you

NBA Playoffs 2011: Research Confirms Russell Westbrook Shoots Too Much


http://bleacherreport.com/images/pixel.gifTo reach the NBA Finals, Russell Westbrook of the Oklahoma City Thunder needs to pass more, especially to his teammate Kevin Durant (http://bleacherreport.com/kevin-durant). That would be the message that two researchers would send to Thunder coach, Scott Brooks, if given the chance. Matt Goldman, a graduate student at the University of California, San Diego, and Justin Rao, a research scientist at Yahoo! Labs recently named Westbrook as the biggest “chucker” in the NBA because of statistics showing that he shoots much more often than he should, while Durant is classified as an under-shooter, whose team would benefit from him taking more chances.

While their statistical theory builds a case for how to achieve optimal efficiency on the court, they don’t explain why elite players make the in-game decisions that they do. For that matter, what about the high school ball player or the weekend warrior at the gym; how do they make the decision to pass or shoot? For that, Markus Raab and Joseph Johnson, both sport scientists, have some insights from their research.

First, let’s do the numbers. Goldman and Rao dug into the NBA stats archive to analyze over 400,000 team possessions over the last four seasons, 2006-2010, across the entire league. In a paper (http://www.justinmrao.com/goldman_rao.pdf) and presentation (http://www.sloansportsconference.com/research-papers/2011-2/presentation/allocation-and-dynamic-efficiency-in-nba-decision-making/) at the recent MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, they presented a model that compares the difficulty of a shot taken in relation to the time remaining on the 24-second shot clock. Then they compare this with a concept called “allocative efficiency,” or the benefit of equally distributing the ball to any of the five players on the court and also “dynamic efficiency,” or deciding whether to “use” the possession by taking a shot or “continuing” the possession by making a pass. As the shot clock winds down, the marginal difficulty of a shot considered will need to rise or they risk getting no shot off before the 24 seconds expire, wasting the possession.

They found that most NBA players are very efficient in their shot selection. Surprisingly, several elite players are actually not shooting enough, according to their model. Here is the list of all NBA players (http://www.hooptheory.com/?page_id=165) analyzed and their score, where a negative number (at the top of the list) represents over-shooters. Joining Westbrook at the top of the list were well-known names like Lamar Odom and Tracy McGrady. Even bigger names like LeBron James, Ray Allen, Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Paul and Joe Johnson actually show up at the bottom of the list and may hurt their teams with their unselfishness.

So, what goes on in these very well-paid athletic brains? Are the trigger-happy players selfish, over-confident and in need of attention? Markus Raab, professor at the German Sport University, Cologne, and Joseph Johnson, professor at Miami University of Ohio, have spent the last 10 years studying the decision-making processes of athletes in several different sports, but especially fast-paced games where quick decisions are critical.

Let’s imagine the Thunder point guard, Westbrook, bringing the ball up the floor. He crosses the half-court line and his decision-making process kicks in. The Raab/Johnson process first recognizes that perception of the situation is required before the player can generate all of the different options in his brain.

Just like a quarterback examining and identifying the defensive alignment as he breaks the huddle, the point guard in basketball has to visually process the scene in front of him. From there, his brain, based on his vast memory of similar basketball experiences, begins to make a list of options. These can be spatial options, like move the ball left, ahead or right, or functional options like pass or shoot.
Through research with basketball and team handball players, the researchers found that the most effective strategy is to “take the first” option that the player conceives as that is most often the “correct” choice when analyzed later by experts. Much like going with your first answer on a test, the more that you deliberate over other choices, the greater the chances that you’ll pick the wrong one.
However, each player will have their own library of choices stored in their memory and this magical sorting of best options can be influenced by several unique variables.

One of these predetermined factors is a personality preference known as action vs. state orientation. According to Raab, “An action orientation is attributed to players if they concentrate on a specific goal and take risks, whereas a state orientation is attributed to players if they have non-task-relevant cognitions and reduce risk-taking behavior by considering more situative considerations and future behavioral consequences.” In other words, someone who has an action mentality is more likely to shoot first and ask questions later, while a state-oriented player is going to consider more options with more long-term outlook.
For this and similar experiments, Raab and Johnson showed first-person videos of many different basketball in-game scenarios to players of different skill levels and personality types, then froze the scene and asked them to make a quick decision of what to do next with the ball. They recorded the decision and the time it took to make the decision. They found that those players who have more of an action orientation, according to a personality test given prior to the drill, were more likely to shoot first and more quickly. Clearly, Russell Westbrook must fall in this category.

Raab followed up this study with a similar one that measured the difference between intuition-based decisions and more cognitive, deliberate decisions. A player who “goes with his gut” was shown to make faster and more successful choices than one that over-analyzes. This may help explain the list of elite players who tend to pass more than shoot. They have more experience and patience to rely on their intuitive feel for the game. While Goldman and Rao may ask them to be more action oriented, these players have learned that they are often just one more pass away from a much higher-percentage shot.
Certainly, this is the tip of the iceberg regarding the psyche of a player at any level. There are many more variables, some fact-based (e.g., I’ve missed my last five shots, so I’m going to pass) while some are more emotional, (e.g., I don’t want my teammate to get all the glory.) For now, Thunder fans can only hope that their point guard learns to share.

[spurraider21]

first off, don't move the goalpoasts from Curry to Westbrook. westbrook is a chucker. why? he takes more shots per game than kevin durant does. that sells me enough. durant is the best scorer in the league. Curry is the best scorer on his team. but on topic...

OKC shot 20/50 from the field outside of Westbrook. they wouldn't have even been in the game if he didn't score as much as he did.

can i ask you who are the top 5 point guards in the nba right now?

and can you tell me if Michael Jordan was a chucker?

[DMC]

first off, don't move the goalpoasts from Curry to Westbrook. westbrook is a chucker. why? he takes more shots per game than kevin durant does. that sells me enough. durant is the best scorer in the league. Curry is the best scorer on his team. but on topic...

OKC shot 20/50 from the field outside of Westbrook. they wouldn't have even been in the game if he didn't score as much as he did.

can i ask you who are the top 5 point guards in the nba right now?

and can you tell me if Michael Jordan was a chucker?

You're not much on abstract thinking I see. Don't you think the PG controls the flow of the offense, and when he's bringing the ball up the court and his first thought is always to shoot the ball, leaving 4 other players standing around knowing they'll likely never see the ball, disrupts that flow? Ever heard of "rhythm"? It's what teams get into when they are moving the ball and taking shots in stride. The sudden "hey I just got the ball with 4 seconds left because Russell dribbled the clock out" heave doesn't constitute a good offensive flow.

This isn't rocket science. Are you really this naive about basketball that you look at a game like that and conclude Westbrook was the only one playing offense?

MJ wasn't a PG. The ball was passed to him almost always which means some ball movement. He took a lot of shots, but he also moved the ball well.

Are you comparing Curry to Jordan?

[spurraider21]

You're not much on abstract thinking I see. Don't you think the PG controls the flow of the offense, and when he's bringing the ball up the court and his first thought is always to shoot the ball, leaving 4 other players standing around knowing they'll likely never see the ball, disrupts that flow? Ever heard of "rhythm"? It's what teams get into when they are moving the ball and taking shots in stride. The sudden "hey I just got the ball with 4 seconds left because Russell dribbled the clock out" heave doesn't constitute a good offensive flow.

This isn't rocket science. Are you really this naive about basketball that you look at a game like that and conclude Westbrook was the only one playing offense?
question a) who are the current 5 best point guards in the NBA?

question b) was michael jordan a chucker?

[DMC]

question a) who are the current 5 best point guards in the NBA?

question b) was michael jordan a chucker?

I'm not here to follow your bread crumb trail. This has nothing to do with whether or not Curry is a chucker.

Curry is not one of the 5 best PGs in the NBA right now. FYI. The only reason RW is mentioned is because he's hijacked the team from Durant.

[spurraider21]

question a) who are the current 5 best point guards in the NBA?

question b) was michael jordan a chucker?

[DMC]

I also find it amusing (like watching a retard finger paint) that you use the double standard of RW being a chucker because of Durant, but allowing Curry a pass by saying he's the best scorer on the team. Don't you suppose him not passing the ball enough makes him a higher scorer? If he was that great of a scorer, wouldn't they win more games? MJ did. RW does.


So then

1. You agree that RW is a chucker because he shoots too often (even though you struggled to admit it until I left you with no alternative).

2. You want to use a double standard that allows Curry to shoot too much and not be a chucker because Klay doesn't shoot as well as Durant (truth is that he's shooting a higher percentage from 3, he just doesn't get 15FTA a game because he doesn't drive the paint much).

Your argument is that if MJ took a lot of shots (22FGA over his career and 1.7 from 3), and he was the GOAT, Curry cannot be a chucker since he's doing what MJ did.

That's a shit argument.

The top 5 PGs in the league question is a fat red herring. You figure that one out.

[spurraider21]

i'm just gna keep going with this


question a) who are the current 5 best point guards in the NBA?

question b) was michael jordan a chucker?

[DMC]

i'm just gna keep going with this

Ok Dale, knock yourself out. I'm not here to convince a retard that shit on his finger is a bad idea.

[spurraider21]

a) who would be your top 5 current point guards?

b) did you consider michael jordan a chucker?

some very simple answers would get me to stop, unlike cully

[Tuddy]

Curry can't finish at the rim against any team that plays any d. He's too short and not athletic enough

[Killakobe81]

Bullshit. If you aren't here arguing against the OP what the fuck are you doing? Don't try that "agree to disagree" with me bullshit. I'm ramming this down your throat whether you like it or not. Curry is a chucker from the Kobe mold. He wants to be that way. All you've done so far is insinuate he doesn't have another option.

Friendly fire ... LOL

DMC, A player that takes volume shots is always a chucker?
Even if he has a clear advantage?
If curry sucks on defense he shouldnt try and do what he does best?
What if his team (let's focus only on Curry, here because at times Kobe has been asked to shoot less, cant say I have heard that from Steph's team-mates) is imploring to shoot especially if they are losing and he is hot, isnt it his RESPONSIBILTY to shoot?
Are you saying a Spur fan that appreciates team ball can't enjoy the beauty of Curry getting on a hot shooting streak?
Because I value Kobe's individual skill that makes me less of a fan of team ball even though I grew up on Magic and Showtime?
I don't care if you talk shit and I dont care if you reign fire and brimstone but that is some of the dumbest shit I have read on here ...

[spurraider21]

is michael jordan a chucker?

who are the top 5 point guards in the nba today?

if i can get answers to these questions from DMC, we can move along in the conversation

[Killakobe81]

OK I see later on that DMC agrees a player that is scoring should shoot if it is a good quality shot. And tbh, I have no issue with Kobe being called a chucker shot selection (and white women) are his kryptonite ...
I just think every playerwho volume shoots is labeled on here as a chucker no matter the situation. Ellis for example is showing with the right coach, system and quality team-mates he can be more efficient.
Kobe was the opposite he had to be more efficient because Shaq and Phil was on his a$$ but after they left he shot with impunity ....
The bulls need rose to score same with Steph and Gstate and Russ and OKC. Just because Klay and Durant are great scorers doesnt mean that those PG's should not shoot.
I get the need for team ball. I have coached. But I always preached taking advantage of matchups.And in youth ball the best players are usually PGs. And if you have the best chance to score even as a PG it's your RESPONSIBILITY to score and then attract defensive attention ...then when the defense adjust you feed your team-mates. I think the problem is sometimes those guys when they get hot do develop tunnel vision. Kobe is probably the biggest culprit but Parker, Russ, rose etc are all guilty of taking it too far.

I just think yall throw around the term too liberally. Are stars like Lebron, Cp3, tim and PG preferable to have for team harmony? Absolutely. But if a team is built around a chucker Like the 2000 sixers for example, AI was right to "chuck". and he rode his squad to a finals that way. Is it ideal? No. but it was effective because that was his role on the team. Problem occurs when someone who should NOT be taking shots takes them or there is a power struggle over shots (Shaqobe)

[spurraider21]

we saw what okc looked like without westbrook, and dmc claimed they'd look better once he got hurt. westbrook has a lot of flaws, and often times takes terrible shots (that ridiculous pull-up shot when they're in TRANSITION and have no chance for a rebound), but he's overall a net positive. thats not to say he doesn't hurt them at times or can become a better decision maker. spurfan ridiculous westbrook all the time, and deservedly so. i don't think curry is generally in that same echelon, though he shot like 5/16 three pointers last game. ugliness

[Killakobe81]

is michael jordan a chucker?

who are the top 5 point guards in the nba today?

if i can get answers to these questions from DMC, we can move along in the conversation

I'll add my two cents. Mj WAS A chucker but he was just better at it than everyone I have ever seen. if you actually watch old MJ games or watched him objectively without a pair of "J's" on with a a Come fly with me video in your VCR, he took I would say at least anywhere from 2-3 bad shots a game AT LEAST. Is he a chucker compared to Kobe, Melo or AI? no. But imho, a chucker is a player that is willing to take a bad shot of his over a better shot of a far inferior team-mate. all 3 guys fit this criteria. Mj was just a better player than any of them, Kobe is probably closest but his shot selection is worse. And as good as an athlete as Kobe was in his prime, MJ was better and he was so far ahead of his time.

SO Mj is a chucker but when you are THAT much better than everyone else ... why should he not be? He won. He made so many easy shots a few (often times more) "chucks" per game were allowable and NO ONE except Horace Grant said squat. When l horace Grant did and they shipped his ass out ...

[spurraider21]

thats fine. i wonder if DMC is willing to add Michael Jordan to the chucker category popularized by kobe, iverson, westbrook, and his boy steph curry

[DMC]

OK I see later on that DMC agrees a player that is scoring should shoot if it is a good quality shot. And tbh, I have no issue with Kobe being called a chucker shot selection (and white women) are his kryptonite ...
I just think every playerwho volume shoots is labeled on here as a chucker no matter the situation. Ellis for example is showing with the right coach, system and quality team-mates he can be more efficient.
Kobe was the opposite he had to be more efficient because Shaq and Phil was on his a$$ but after they left he shot with impunity ....
The bulls need rose to score same with Steph and Gstate and Russ and OKC. Just because Klay and Durant are great scorers doesnt mean that those PG's should not shoot.
I get the need for team ball. I have coached. But I always preached taking advantage of matchups.And in youth ball the best players are usually PGs. And if you have the best chance to score even as a PG it's your RESPONSIBILITY to score and then attract defensive attention ...then when the defense adjust you feed your team-mates. I think the problem is sometimes those guys when they get hot do develop tunnel vision. Kobe is probably the biggest culprit but Parker, Russ, rose etc are all guilty of taking it too far.

I just think yall throw around the term too liberally. Are stars like Lebron, Cp3, tim and PG preferable to have for team harmony? Absolutely. But if a team is built around a chucker Like the 2000 sixers for example, AI was right to "chuck". and he rode his squad to a finals that way. Is it ideal? No. but it was effective because that was his role on the team. Problem occurs when someone who should NOT be taking shots takes them or there is a power struggle over shots (Shaqobe)

A PG always has a chance to score. He's bringing the ball up the floor 99% of the time. There's a difference between "opportunity to shoot" and "open look". Steph takes the opportunity to shoot, doesn't wait for an open look. He heaves up contested 28' shots before a single pass is made. Dude took 16 threes last night. MJ averaged less than 2 a game.

So the team is built around a chucker. That says Curry is a chucker. What's your problem then?

[DMC]

thats fine. i wonder if DMC is willing to add Michael Jordan to the chucker category popularized by kobe, iverson, westbrook, and his boy steph curry

When Curry wins 6 Finals MVPs, we'll talk about it.

[spurraider21]

When Curry wins 6 Finals MVPs, we'll talk about it.
i'm not asking you if curry is as good as jordan. your reading comprehension needs work, which is odd for an educated man. i simply asked if Michael Jordan fits your description of a chucker

[DMC]

i'm not asking you if curry is as good as jordan. your reading comprehension needs work, which is odd for an educated man. i simply asked if Michael Jordan fits your description of a chucker

Is Curry a chucker? You never admitted to what the OP is about yet you expect to introduce your own little red herring and hope that gets you back on your feet here? I don't get trolled, son.

[spurraider21]

Is Curry a chucker? You never admitted to what the OP is about yet you expect to introduce your own little red herring and hope that gets you back on your feet here? I don't get trolled, son.
i'm not trolling at all, really. in fact, i'm asking a very, very simple question. it would take a very simple person not to be able to answer it

[DMC]

i'm not trolling at all, really. in fact, i'm asking a very, very simple question. it would take a very simple person not to be able to answer it

Shitty tactic that's easily read and thwarted. You now have nothing but a MJ comparison with Curry but you'll keep responding as a defensive mechanism.

[spurraider21]

Shitty tactic that's easily read and thwarted. You now have nothing but a MJ comparison with Curry but you'll keep responding as a defensive mechanism.
i never once compared the two. every time i asked about MJ, i only specifically asked if he was a chucker. its a yes or no question, with a simple yes or no answer, which you have failed to provide

[DMC]

DMC: Steph wants to be Kobe

spurraider21: He's the best ever

DMC: He's a chucker because of:

A.

B.

C.

spurraider21: What about MJ?

:lmao

[spurraider21]

i never said he's the best ever.

DMC can't make an argument so he puts words in my mouth then adds an emoticon. nice.

and btw i asked the MJ question months ago back when this thread was fresh and you ignored it then too. why you dodging a simple question?

[thunderup]

:lol I can't believe posters like DMC and Shadowflames believed the Thunder would be better off without Russ
:lol the !njun now doubling down on his shitty takes

[spurraider21]

and to OP, do you also concede that MJ was a chucker?
i asked this on may 7, tbh

[DMC]

Concede? You've not made that argument.


:lmao... nice


and to OP, do you also concede that MJ was a chucker?


i asked this on may 7, tbh

Do you know what "concede" means?

con·cede
kənˈsēd/
verb
verb: concede; 3rd person present: concedes; past tense: conceded; past participle: conceded; gerund or present participle: conceding
1.
admit that something is true or valid after first denying or resisting it.


Where did I deny or resist your suggestion that MJ is a chucker?


Since I pointed that out to you back then and you never corrected it, why should I ever answer it? It's a misleading question.

[spurraider21]

Since I pointed that out to you back then and you never corrected it, why should I ever answer it? It's a misleading question.

oh, i haven't corrected it? how about all these i've asked you recently?


was michael jordan a chucker?


can you tell me if Michael Jordan was a chucker?


question b) was michael jordan a chucker?


b) did you consider michael jordan a chucker?

dodging a simple yes or no question :lol

which of those 4 was misleading? just give me a yes or no. any other answer you give me would be more complicated. keep it simple. yes or no.

[Sybok]

oh, i haven't corrected it? how about all these i've asked you recently?









dodging a simple yes or no question :lol

which of those 4 was misleading? just give me a yes or no. any other answer you give me would be more complicated. keep it simple. yes or no.

Kiteo, his eyes closed

[DMC]

oh, i haven't corrected it? how about all these i've asked you recently?









dodging a simple yes or no question :lol

which of those 4 was misleading? just give me a yes or no. any other answer you give me would be more complicated. keep it simple. yes or no.

You didn't correct it. You proceeded to use your initial false premise as a platform for asking that question. Since you referenced that initial false premise, you've still not corrected it. You're still working from a false premise.

Do you wish to concede your original question was based on a false premise? If so, perhaps we can proceed.

[spurraider21]

You didn't correct it. You proceeded to use your initial false premise as a platform for asking that question. Since you referenced that initial false premise, you've still not corrected it. You're still working from a false premise.

Do you wish to concede your original question was based on a false premise? If so, perhaps we can proceed.
Sure. i meant cede instead of concede. now that formalities are out of the way, would you categorize Michael Jordan as a chucker based on the requisites you have presented?

[DMC]

Sure. i meant cede instead of concede. now that formalities are out of the way, would you categorize Michael Jordan as a chucker based on the requisites you have presented?

Cede means "give up". In order to "give up" I would have to have something I was trying to hold onto. I never such an assertion. So you need to relinquish the entire aspect of that question and just admit you planted that seed yourself so you could grow your conclusion on those grounds. Just relinquish it and ask the question you intend to ask. Don't try to repair it.

Do you relinquish the question? Are you willing to start over with the question in a new form, without the premise that I hold any particular position on MJ?

[spurraider21]

Cede means "give up". In order to "give up" I would have to have something I was trying to hold onto. I never such an assertion. So you need to relinquish the entire aspect of that question and just admit you planted that seed yourself so you could grow your conclusion on those grounds. Just relinquish it and ask the question you intend to ask. Don't try to repair it.

Do you relinquish the question? Are you willing to start over with the question in a new form, without the premise that I hold any particular position on MJ?
if you are more interested in playing grammar wars than talking basketball, then it shows how secure you are with your argument. i have asked you a VERY simple question which requires a 1 word answer, and you've been dancing and dodging around it like a bullfighter. yes or no. is michael jordan a chucker?

[DMC]

if you are more interested in playing grammar wars than talking basketball, then it shows how secure you are with your argument. i have asked you a VERY simple question which requires a 1 word answer, and you've been dancing and dodging around it like a bullfighter. yes or no. is michael jordan a chucker?

You started with a lie. You accused me of holding a certain position that I never said I hold. You've yet to admit to that, calling it a grammar error instead, even though your intended version was still wrong.

When you can correct that, we can proceed.

[spurraider21]

summary of DMC in this thread in responce to a very simple yes or no question:

http://imgur.com/zUb5W.gif

[spurraider21]

you know what, i'll play along in your sad game. fine. i lied. i said concede when it wasn't the right word. i was grammatically off base. :cry

now that the air has been cleared, let us proceed. was michael jordan a chucker, based on the very standards you have set?

[DMC]

you know what, i'll play along in your sad game. fine. i lied. i said concede when it wasn't the right word. i was grammatically off base. :cry

now that the air has been cleared, let us proceed. was michael jordan a chucker, based on the very standards you have set?

What standards would that be, liar?

[spurraider21]

DMC: Steph wants to be Kobe

spurraider21: He's the best ever

DMC: He's a chucker because of:

A.

B.

C.

spurraider21: What about MJ?

:lmao


What standards would that be, liar?

so if you claim you've made points A B and C, you know damn well what your standards are... or you were lying.

[spurraider21]

and :lol calling me a liar because I used the word concede instead of agree

[DMC]

so if you claim you've made points A B and C, you know damn well what your standards are... or you were lying.

I simply asked which standards you're referring to. I pointed out Curry's tendencies, not Mike's. I never called them standards.

[DMC]

and :lol calling me a liar because I used the word concede instead of agree

Actually no, you called yourself a liar. I just called you what you admitted to being.

I asked several people here to define "chucker" and instead of getting a standard, I got some pics. Identifying a chucker isn't the same as defining the term.

So show me the standards I applied to Curry.

[DMC]

Friendly fire ... LOL

DMC, A player that takes volume shots is always a chucker?

There's a difference between a chucker and a volume shooter. Curry is a chucker because his shots are rarely in the flow of the game. He takes unwise shots. They cause long rebounds.

This is quoted from above. Read first, then ask questions. Even here you posted this and posted again after you read what I posted. Good job making such a conclusion without being familiar with the material.

[spurraider21]

seeing as how you just post box scores of when curry has a bad shooting night (on a high volume of shots) and add some comments like "lol chucker," your definition of chucker appears to be somebody that takes more shots than warranted (regardless of whether or not he is efficient with them). Considering MJ led the league in field goal attempts 9 times, certainly he would qualify as a chucker.

i'm legitimately confused as to why it has taken you 7 months to even consider addressing a yes or no question. you can argue semantics or grammar or other related bullshit, but we can all see through it

i have also recently asked you to list your top 5 point guards in the nba, which is taking you a startlingly long time to answer

[DMC]

seeing as how you just post box scores of when curry has a bad shooting night (on a high volume of shots) and add some comments like "lol chucker," your definition of chucker appears to be somebody that takes more shots than warranted (regardless of whether or not he is efficient with them). Considering MJ led the league in field goal attempts 9 times, certainly he would qualify as a chucker.

i'm legitimately confused as to why it has taken you 7 months to even consider addressing a yes or no question. you can argue semantics or grammar or other related bullshit, but we can all see through it

i have also recently asked you to list your top 5 point guards in the nba, which is taking you a startlingly long time to answer

I answered your question right away. You didn't respond to mine however.

I don't do lists.

[spurraider21]

you never answered my question of whether or not michael jordan was a chucker

[DMC]

you never answered my question of whether or not michael jordan was a chucker

You didn't ask that question. You asked if I still believed it. Whatever came after that was based on a lie (you admitted it). Like I said, rephrase your question.

[spurraider21]

you are a clown. you refuse to answer a yes or no question for 7 months, and i never lied. i misused a word.

mistakenly asking if "you concede that MJ was a chucker" is not a lie. it is the misuse of a word.

[DMC]

you know what, i'll play along in your sad game. fine. i lied. i said concede when it wasn't the right word. i was grammatically off base. :cry

now that the air has been cleared, let us proceed. was michael jordan a chucker, based on the very standards you have set?


you are a clown. you refuse to answer a yes or no question for 7 months, and i never lied. i misused a word.

mistakenly asking if "you concede that MJ was a chucker" is not a lie. it is the misuse of a word.

You lied again. You're compulsive.

[spurraider21]

go back and read the thread. the consensus is that this thread a joke, and your dancing around a simple question further demonstrates this. how anybody can read this dialogue and take you seriously is beyond me.

[DMC]

go back and read the thread. the consensus is that this thread a joke, and your dancing around a simple question further demonstrates this. how anybody can read this dialogue and take you seriously is beyond me.

I never seek consensus. Argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument.

[spurraider21]

i specifically said "ill play along in your sad game" before i said any of that. immediately after i said "i misused the word concede."

the misuse of a world does not constitute a lie, and you are a moron for implying such.

[spurraider21]

refusal to answer a simple question isn't exactly a strong argumentative tactic either

[DMC]

i specifically said "ill play along in your sad game" before i said any of that. immediately after i said "i misused the word concede."

the misuse of a world does not constitute a lie, and you are a moron for implying such.

You admitted to being a liar then you denied it, now you're denying admitting to it. Your argument is based on a false premise, and I've cornered you and forced you to admit it.

[DMC]

refusal to answer a simple question isn't exactly a strong argumentative tactic either

It's proper to not address a red herring.

[spurraider21]

you are arguing semantics instead of basketball. you're like a more retarded version of chump dumper. all this dancing and dodging to avoid a question with a one word answer

[DMC]

you are arguing semantics instead of basketball. you're like a more retarded version of chump dumper. all this dancing and dodging to avoid a question with a one word answer

You've tried to lure me into playing your word association game and I just dragged you through several pages of trolling. You've not had anything close to resembling a decent basketball take in this thread, defending Curry from the onset.

I just thought I'd have a bit of fun with you. You're free to leave when you wish. Gather your things and clean yourself up.

[spurraider21]

if dodging an deflecting is your version of trolling, then mission accomplished, champ. if you are going to make a claim, and resort to trolling instead of defending your argument, you are a clown, as i have already said

[DMC]

:madrun

[spurraider21]

:frying:

[Rogue]

Curry wants to be Kobe and he's just made an auspicious start by putting such heavy workload on his fragile ankle tbh, it's only a matter of time before he tears his Achilles imho.

[Killakobe81]

A PG always has a chance to score. He's bringing the ball up the floor 99% of the time. There's a difference between "opportunity to shoot" and "open look". Steph takes the opportunity to shoot, doesn't wait for an open look. He heaves up contested 28' shots before a single pass is made. Dude took 16 threes last night. MJ averaged less than 2 a game.

So the team is built around a chucker. That says Curry is a chucker. What's your problem then?

3's arent the only "chuck" shots. I get why Kobe is a chucker and maybe Steph is too. I just think the term is thrown around loosely on here. And is unfair, if that is what the team is tasked that player with doing regardless of position. Basketball is about baskets and stops in it's simplest form. Steph is one of the best at making shots in recent memory. ESPECIALLY to the stat nerds who prefer FT's and 3 pointers above all else. If you only check a box score and let's say Draymond Green shot 5-7 from the field and 1-2 from 3 point land. One could argue that he should get more shots since he shot a better % (using last the last Curry game as an example)...and Curry was off from "3". but if you watch the game or see Curry and Green play ... unless it's a dunk or open layup when would you prefer Green shoot over curry? Any moron can see that steph is an amazing shooter and player Green though a hard worker and great defender, is not. curry should ALMOST always shoot way more than Green and if Curry chucks a few shots and takes them from green, who cares? Now if Bougut has an advantage in the post and Curry chucks contested fadeaway shots over two people (Kobe's bad shots) then the chucker label would apply. That is all I am saying here.

[Killakobe81]

A chucker to me is determined by the number of bad, forced shots taken not the # of FGA's. AI was a chucker for forcing shots. no one had issues when he takes/took quality shots.

[AchillesHeel]

A chucker to me is determined by the numebr of bad, forced shots taken not the # of FGA's. AI was a chucker for forcing shots. no one had issues when he takes/took quality shots.

This, you're not a chucker if you get 18-20 shots a game when they're within the offense and you don't stop the ball movement, Lebron is a great example of that. Chucker is when you're Kirby/Melo, who forces contested shots from 20-25 ft out, missing at least 60% of those shots.

[Killakobe81]

This, you're not a chucker if you get 18-20 shots a game when they're within the offense and you don't stop the ball movement, Lebron is a great example of that. Chucker is when you're Kirby/Melo, who forces contested shots from 20-25 ft out, missing at least 60% of those shots.

I dont get the group upstairs that gets on Tony when he plays "hero ball". Spurs always run really great sets at least 80% of the time. He hardly takes contested 3's and most of his shots are 20 feet max or closer. if he feels the need to take over from time to time especially since he and Manu are the only creators that can make a play when the system breaks ...not sure why he gets hate from Spur fans. he needs the freedom to be able to do that and at his best he is (helping) winning games in the Finals vs. Lebron.

[DMC]

A few pages back I differentiated between a volume shooter and a chucker, so no new ground is being broken here. Curry's shots often don't come in the flow of the offense. I don't see how a 29' step back contested three could come in the flow of the offense.

Curry took 15 real 3s in his last game, 1 was a last second heave I won't count. That's a shit ton of 3 pt shots for one person to take. He ended up with 32 FGA in a non-OT game. As the PG, that's playing hero ball and having 4 other people basically standing around watching. That has an effect on how they play defense, even if it's just a slight dropoff.

[Killakobe81]

A few pages back I differentiated between a volume shooter and a chucker, so no new ground is being broken here. Curry's shots often don't come in the flow of the offense. I don't see how a 29' step back contested three could come in the flow of the offense.

Curry took 15 real 3s in his last game, 1 was a last second heave I won't count. That's a shit ton of 3 pt shots for one person to take. He ended up with 32 FGA in a non-OT game. As the PG, that's playing hero ball and having 4 other people basically standing around watching. That has an effect on how they play defense, even if it's just a slight dropoff.

I agree that it can have an effect on some players. Especially if said player actually relies on touches to feel invested. But his coach has asked him to be more assertive. I would imagine at times his team-mates do as well.
Maybe he saw the team was flat, so he felt he needed to shoulder that load.

Im just saying because he is a PG that shoots a lot doesnt make him just a "chucker". I admit freely I doi not watch that "game" so Im just speaking in general terms.
DMC, did you watch the game he took 15 3 pointers? Honestly?

[Expert]

I agree that it can have an effect on some players. Especially if said player actually relies on touches to feel invested. But his coach has asked him to be more assertive. I would imagine at times his team-mates do as well.
Maybe he saw the team was flat, so he felt he needed to shoulder that load.

Im just saying because he is a PG that shoots a lot doesnt make him just a "chucker". I admit freely I doi not watch that "game" so Im just speaking in general terms.
DMC, did you watch the game he took 15 3 pointers? Honestly?I did. That's how I know that last shot was a heave. In fact, I never gave much thought to him being a chucker until the playoffs last season. I had not actually watched many of his games however during the series with the Spurs, he shot his team out of competition more than once. In one game his team was up by 16 points and he chucked his team out of the game in the 4th quarter. You can blame that on the coach if you like or you can blame it on the system but it is what it is. I don't see how that's any different than what Kobe does. They either hit or they miss, but either way they are going to take the shots and those shots are very rarely coming in the flow of the offense because often the offense doesn't have any flow to it due to 4 players standing around watching.

Now let me ask you a question, did you see that game?

You can be more assertive without playing hero basketball. If you interpret assertive as meaning take over the game then you probably don't know as much about the game as you think you do, despite your church league experience.now granted, Mark Jackson probably doesn't know much more about it than you do.

[spurraider21]

no, you definitely don't cherry pick your games, faggot

not so quick to post today's box score, eh?

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


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David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
38
7-16
0-0
1-2
5
6
11
3
1
1
2
4
+2
15


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
44
6-16
1-4
4-4
2
2
4
1
1
0
1
5
+4
17


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
35
3-5
0-0
0-0
4
14
18
2
0
2
2
0
+2
6


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
44
13-25
6-11
1-1
0
4
4
9
3
0
8
3
+5
33


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
35
3-14
3-9
2-2
0
3
3
1
0
0
4
2
-2
11


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MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Hilton Armstrong (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2984/hilton-armstrong), PF
7
0-0
0-0
0-2
1
2
3
0
0
1
0
0
+3
0


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
5
0-2
0-0
1-2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-4
1


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
28
4-5
1-1
0-2
2
3
5
4
1
2
1
2
+5
9


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
4
1-3
1-3
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
2
-3
3


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
0
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-2
0


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



37-86
12-28
9-15
14
36
50
20
6
6
18
18

95



43.0%
42.9%
60.0%





I knew you'd be along shortly since I have you flustered.

Do you think the way the Warriors played tonight is playoff level basketball? Do you think Curry taking 25 shots and turning the ball over 8 times is playoff level basketball? Curry faced a bigger chucker tonight in Monta Ellis. Dirk was getting points on every trip but suddenly it was the Monta Ellis show and subsequently the Mavs lost. It didn't help that Blair was inserted and gave up a 9-2 run. Sure Curry hit some big shots, and the shots he hit in the flow of the offense were good shots make or miss, but those dribble down long range bombs, like those that clanked in the 1st half, those are the governors of the Warrior's acceleration. As long as the team and Steph think Steph cannot miss, that he's magical, they'll be a just above .500 team. They might make the playoffs, but that style of play won't take them far.

Now, those drives into the paint and kickouts, those are solid. I'd like to see more ball movement though. They could exploit his shooting ability if they didn't require him to get his own shot behind the arc. Since he pulls a defender everywhere he goes, just move the ball around and get the defense moving. They don't do that though, it's either a dribble and shot or a pass and shot. There's rarely more than one pass before the shot and often it's a one on one game with Curry, and if he cannot get open, with someone else.

I've said chuckers will have good games. Kobe's had much better nights and he's brought his team back offensively. I didn't see Curry play a lick of defense, but then you're focused on shooting only.

[monosylab1k]

All i have to say is that Shawn Marion is no longer a good defender. He bites on EVERY FUCKING PUMP FAKE which tells me he's lost a step laterally and is overplaying on shot fakes as a result. Once i saw Matrix on Curry i knew what was coming. Pump fake/Marion jumps wildly/Wide open shot/Bucket/Game.

[DMC]

All i have to say is that Shawn Marion is no longer a good defender. He bites on EVERY FUCKING PUMP FAKE which tells me he's lost a step laterally and is overplaying on shot fakes as a result. Once i saw Matrix on Curry i knew what was coming. Pump fake/Marion jumps wildly/Wide open shot/Bucket/Game.

He's become Danny Green in that regard.

[spurraider21]

you haven't been able to answer a yes or no question for 7 months and i'm flustered? pls

he should have easily cracked double digit assists but klay was playing horribly. curry was getting into the lane pretty easily for most of the night. a few of the turnovers credited to him were ones where teammates didn't to a good job going after his passes. there were a few times they dropped a pass out of bounds similar to manu at the end of game 7. his teammates were having a miserable night with their outside shooting and he still picked up a solid 9 assists though. your problem is you've already made up your mind as to who/what he is, and won't have it any other way even though he's having the best passing season of his career

curry has never been a great defender, nor have i claimed him to be. he manages to come away with some steals to pad his defensive stats (though steals aren't a true indicator of a good defender in most cases). i've always likened him to a better version of Dallas Mavericks edition Steve Nash

[DAF86]

lol a chucker with an average of 15.2 shots per game on his career. That's .1 less than our selfless ultimate team player, greatest Power Forward of All Time Tim Duncan.

The kid is arguably the best shooter in the game today it's OK for him to be taking shots, tbh.

[thunderup]

This thread further cements what a trashy poster the OP is.

[Killakobe81]

Golden State Warriors


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38
7-16
0-0
1-2
5
6
11
3
1
1
2
4
+2
15


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
44
6-16
1-4
4-4
2
2
4
1
1
0
1
5
+4
17


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
35
3-5
0-0
0-0
4
14
18
2
0
2
2
0
+2
6


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
44
13-25
6-11
1-1
0
4
4
9
3
0
8
3
+5
33


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
35
3-14
3-9
2-2
0
3
3
1
0
0
4
2
-2
11


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MIN
FGM-A
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DREB
REB
AST
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TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Hilton Armstrong (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2984/hilton-armstrong), PF
7
0-0
0-0
0-2
1
2
3
0
0
1
0
0
+3
0


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
5
0-2
0-0
1-2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-4
1


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
28
4-5
1-1
0-2
2
3
5
4
1
2
1
2
+5
9


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
4
1-3
1-3
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
0
2
-3
3


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
0
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-2
0


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



37-86
12-28
9-15
14
36
50
20
6
6
18
18

95



43.0%
42.9%
60.0%





I knew you'd be along shortly since I have you flustered.

Do you think the way the Warriors played tonight is playoff level basketball? Do you think Curry taking 25 shots and turning the ball over 8 times is playoff level basketball? Curry faced a bigger chucker tonight in Monta Ellis. Dirk was getting points on every trip but suddenly it was the Monta Ellis show and subsequently the Mavs lost. It didn't help that Blair was inserted and gave up a 9-2 run. Sure Curry hit some big shots, and the shots he hit in the flow of the offense were good shots make or miss, but those dribble down long range bombs, like those that clanked in the 1st half, those are the governors of the Warrior's acceleration. As long as the team and Steph think Steph cannot miss, that he's magical, they'll be a just above .500 team. They might make the playoffs, but that style of play won't take them far.

Now, those drives into the paint and kickouts, those are solid. I'd like to see more ball movement though. They could exploit his shooting ability if they didn't require him to get his own shot behind the arc. Since he pulls a defender everywhere he goes, just move the ball around and get the defense moving. They don't do that though, it's either a dribble and shot or a pass and shot. There's rarely more than one pass before the shot and often it's a one on one game with Curry, and if he cannot get open, with someone else.

I've said chuckers will have good games. Kobe's had much better nights and he's brought his team back offensively. I didn't see Curry play a lick of defense, but then you're focused on shooting only.

One game shouldn't sway the argument one way or another that much, tbh. I was just arguing on that team he is asked to score. to take a volume of shots and when you do some will be bad. To me Steph's shot selction is a bit better than Kobe's even though I agree I think curry's ego is nearing Kobe territory.

Kobe sometimes imho makes the game more difficult he chooses the more difficult path, maybe it's ego maybe he gets bored or he just thinks a impossible contested shot is more gratifying than a easy two.
Steph though a great ball handler, and deceptively quick is not very fast or tall ... so it is much easier to contest his shots so he takes tough shots because he cannot always get easier ones. But again I freely admit i have seen tons of Kobe games not as much of Steph since GSW is not on national TV much until recently.

[DMC]

One game shouldn't sway the argument one way or another that much, tbh. I was just arguing on that team he is asked to score. to take a volume of shots and when you do some will be bad. To me Steph's shot selction is a bit better than Kobe's even though I agree I think curry's ego is nearing Kobe territory.

Kobe sometimes imho makes the game more difficult he chooses the more difficult path, maybe it's ego maybe he gets bored or he just thinks a impossible contested shot is more gratifying than a easy two.
Steph though a great ball handler, and deceptively quick is not very fast or tall ... so it is much easier to contest his shots so he takes tough shots because he cannot always get easier ones. But again I freely admit i have seen tons of Kobe games not as much of Steph since GSW is not on national TV much until recently.

I see it as a decision making issue. If he can hit the basket from 28' he should be able to hit a teammate as well. If Dallas didn't leave so much cheese and lettuce at the rim with Sammy "white pants" Dalembert and Dejuan "no knees" Blair, Steph's heroics would have just been a passing note.

[Expert]

Pretty sure you need to start giving this more consideration. The guy looked like complete shit tonight. He was chucking at every opportunity. Sure some of it was the coaches fault because the bigs were scoring and he went away from that when he needed scoring. The coach did not cause those turnovers however.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
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REB
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BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
37
8-13
0-0
7-8
3
7
10
0
1
2
2
4
-7
23


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
38
9-16
2-5
0-0
4
8
12
4
1
0
3
5
+8
20


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
27
5-7
0-0
0-0
3
8
11
2
2
1
2
3
-1
10


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
39
5-12

1-5

9-11
0
2
2
9
0
0
6
6

-18

20


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
45
6-17
1-7
2-3
0
5
5
5
1
2
3
4
-7
15


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Hilton Armstrong (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2984/hilton-armstrong), PF
4
1-1
0-0
0-0
1
2
3
0
0

0
0
1
+6
2


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
16
7-14
0-0
2-2
8
1
9
0
0
0
0
1
0
16


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
21
2-7
2-4
0-0
0
3
3
2
0
1
2
5
-11
6


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
13
0-3
0-1
0-0
0
1
1
0
1
0
0
1
+12
0


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
0
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-2
0


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
DNP STRAINED LEFT HAMSTRING


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



43-90
6-22
20-24
19
37
56
22
6
6
18
30

112

[spurraider21]

12 shot attempts and 9 assists. damn chucking them out of another one

[DAF86]

DMC stop moving goal posts son. For future reference, how many shot per game should Curry be taking for you to not call him a chucker? 5, 6? :lol

[spurraider21]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24xmbTa9m1r3emia.gif

[MeloHype]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1497733_762568117105048_2048947607_n.jpg

[DMC]

A few pages back I differentiated between a volume shooter and a chucker, so no new ground is being broken here. Curry's shots often don't come in the flow of the offense. I don't see how a 29' step back contested three could come in the flow of the offense.

Curry took 15 real 3s in his last game, 1 was a last second heave I won't count. That's a shit ton of 3 pt shots for one person to take. He ended up with 32 FGA in a non-OT game. As the PG, that's playing hero ball and having 4 other people basically standing around watching. That has an effect on how they play defense, even if it's just a slight dropoff.


DMC (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20665) stop moving goal posts son. For future reference, how many shot per game should Curry be taking for you to not call him a chucker? 5, 6? :lol

For future reference, I've said a volume shooter and a chucker are two different creatures. It's the flow of the offense that dictates the shot attempt. For example, Kevin Love took a lot of shots against the Spurs, but they were in the flow of the offense. Curry's shots are often with 3 defenders draped on him. Even Hubie called him out on it.

For the record.

Dude is a chucker, cannot defend for shit, has his moments where he hits unbelievable shots, but that style of offense isn't going to get them anywhere. He's a hero baller. Some of that shit he was throwing up there last night was wild as fuck.

[spurraider21]

I call horse shit. If love went 1-9 from 3 you would have called him a chucker and took his teammates out of the game

[DMC]

I call horse shit. If love went 1-9 from 3 you would have called him a chucker and took his teammates out of the game

He wouldn't have. If he missed his first 3 attempts, he wouldn't have kept heaving them.

He was taking what the defensive was giving. Curry forces up crazy ass shots. I didn't see Kevin shoot ill advised shots with teammates wide open.

[spurraider21]

He wouldn't have. If he missed his first 3 attempts, he wouldn't have kept heaving them.



Nov 4
@CLE
L 92-93 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/minnesota-timberwolves-cleveland-cavaliers-2013110405/)
36:19
8
20
40.0
0
7
0.0
1
1
100.0
4
9
13
5
3
0
1
1
17

[DMC]

Nov 4
@CLE
L 92-93 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/minnesota-timberwolves-cleveland-cavaliers-2013110405/)
36:19
8
20
40.0
0
7
0.0
1
1
100.0
4
9
13
5
3
0
1
1
17




Post the entire box score.

[spurraider21]

Min
FG
3pt
FT
+/-
Off
Def
Reb
Ast
TO
Stl
Blk
BA
PF
Pts


Corey Brewer (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4285/)
37:36
5-12
0-4
3-3
+11
1
2
3
1
3
6
0
0
4
13


Kevin Love (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4391/)
36:19
8-20
0-7
1-1
+7
4
9
13
5
3
0
1
1
1
17


Nikola Pekovic (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4493/)
35:28
3-12
0-0
2-4
-12
5
7
12
1
3
2
0
4
2
8


Kevin Martin (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3843/)
34:02
7-16
5-8
4-4
+11
1
3
4
3
2
0
0
3
1
23


Ricky Rubio (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4610/)
25:36
0-7
0-3
4-4
-3
0
1
1
5
2
5
1
1
1
4


J.J. Barea (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4203/)
22:24
4-11
0-4
0-1
+2
0
3
3
2
2
1
0
3
1
8


Derrick Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4883/)
22:24
5-9
0-1
3-4
+2
0
2
2
0
0
1
0
0
0
13


Dante Cunningham (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4638/)
15:04
2-4
0-0
0-0
-9
1
3
4
2
0
1
2
0
2
4


Alexey Shved (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5099/)
8:28
0-3
0-1
2-3
-12
0
0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
2


Gorgui Dieng (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5191/)
2:37
0-0
0-0
0-0
-2
0
1
1
1
1
0
1
0
3
0

[spurraider21]

the alignment is off, but an educated man such as yourself should be able to get the gist. by the way they lost to cleveland here

[DMC]

On the same night:



Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
26
8-15
0-0
2-2
3
4
7
2
0
0
5
0
+34
18


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
33
11-18
7-11
3-4
1
2
3
3
3
1
1
2
+35
32


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
23
1-1
0-0
2-4
0
7
7
3
2
1
1
4
+25
4


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
29
7-16
2-9
2-2
3
7
10
12
5
1
2
0
+34
18


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
30
5-12
4-8
1-2
1
2
3
2
2
0
1
3
+38
15


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
14
4-8
0-1
1-2
0
2
2
0
0
1
1
3
-8
9


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
21
1-4
0-1
0-0
0
9
9
2
2
2
1
2
-3
2


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
12
0-3
0-0
0-0
1
3
4
1
1
0
1
3
-1
0


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
9
0-1
0-0
0-0
1
1
2
0
0
0
2
2
-11
0


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
19
1-5
1-4
0-0
2
1
3
2
1
0
3
3
-14
3


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
12
1-3
0-2
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
2
0
-14
2


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
13
2-6
1-2
2-4
1
2
3
1
2
1
2
2
-15
7


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



41-92
15-38
13-20
13
41
54
28
18
7
22
24

110




Here Curry takes 9 three point shots and his 2 of them. He missed the same number of 3pt shots as Kevin. You had to go back almost 2 months to find an example. I only have to go back a week.

[spurraider21]

He wouldn't have. If he missed his first 3 attempts, he wouldn't have kept heaving them.

[DMC]

the alignment is off, but an educated man such as yourself should be able to get the gist. by the way they lost to cleveland here

Here, let me help you:



Minnesota Timberwolves


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Kevin Love (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love), PF
36
8-20
0-7
1-1
4
9
13
5
0
1
3
1
+7
17


Corey Brewer (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3191/corey-brewer), SF
38
5-12
0-4
3-3
1
2
3
1
6
0
3
4
+11
13


Nikola Pekovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3453/nikola-pekovic), C
35
3-12
0-0
2-4
5
7
12
1
2
0
3
2
-12
8


Ricky Rubio (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio), PG
26
0-7
0-3
4-4
0
1
1
5
5
1
2
1
-3
4


Kevin Martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2394/kevin-martin), SG
34
7-16
5-8
4-4
1
3
4
3
0
0
2
1
+11
23


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Derrick Williams (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6480/derrick-williams), PF
22
5-9
0-1
3-4
0
2
2
0
1
0
0
0
+2
13


Dante Cunningham (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3974/dante-cunningham), PF
15
2-4
0-0
0-0
1
3
4
2
1
2
0
2
-9
4


Gorgui Dieng (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2534781/gorgui-dieng), C
3
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
1
0
1
1
3
-2
0


J.J. Barea (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3055/j.j.-barea), PG
22
4-11
0-4
0-1
0
3
3
2
1
0
2
1
+2
8


Alexey Shved (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3882/alexey-shved), PG
8
0-3
0-1
2-3
0
0
0
1
0
0
1
0
-12
2


Robbie Hummel (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6633/robbie-hummel), SF
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Shabazz Muhammad (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2993875/shabazz-muhammad), SF
DNP COACH'S DECISION


A.J. Price (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4010/a.j.-price), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



34-94
5-28
19-24
12
31
43
21
16
5
17
15

92

[spurraider21]

so were you talking out of your ass there? or just lying

[DMC]

He wouldn't have. If he missed his first 3 attempts, he wouldn't have kept heaving them.

He was taking what the defensive was giving. Curry forces up crazy ass shots. I didn't see Kevin shoot ill advised shots with teammates wide open.




I call horse shit. If love went 1-9 from 3 you would have called him a chucker and took his teammates out of the game

Here we're talking about last night's game. Never did I say he's never missed more than 3 shots in a row from outside. Just that he wasn't missing last night and he didn't just score from outside.

You're point is that you're trying to say that a missed shot in the flow of the offense is the same as a missed shot taken wildly or an ill advised shot. Your defense for that is that Curry gets a special pass for wild ass shots because he sometimes hits them. What defeats your argument is that Curry went 5 for 16 just a few nights ago, and doesn't seem to know when he's on or when he's not. He's not the first and won't be the last unbelievable shooter who takes ill advised shots, and his team won't be the last to suffer because their offense stagnates when he's their main option every trip. He goes into the post position (why I have no fucking idea) and he hangs out there (which is why he got into foul trouble). Then he pops up, waits for Barnes or Green to set a pick and he flings up a wild ass shot or he heaves a no look pass across to Klay or a wing player. That's about all he does tbh. At the other end he's pretty much a traffic cone. Sure he gets a loose ball now and then, but he's a glorified Jeremy Lin, turnovers and all, otherwise.

[spurraider21]

You keep telling me not to use outlier games, then you go and hang your hat on Curry's shitty exhibition the other day. The long-term stats validate what I'm going for. He's an efficient shooter and scorer so your "they go in sometimes" is bogus.

Secondly, you think you understand the psyche of Kevin Love to confidently tell me that had he missed his first 3 shots he would have stopped taking them, when there is nothing to indicate that. Love takes more shots per game than Curry does, and on a lower percentage.

So I guess to answer my previous question, you weren't necessarily lying, just talking out of your ass.

[DMC]

You keep telling me not to use outlier games, then you go and hang your hat on Curry's shitty exhibition the other day. The long-term stats validate what I'm going for. He's an efficient shooter and scorer so your "they go in sometimes" is bogus.

When I am referring to a specific game, like you did with Kevin Love in last night's game, I want to stick to that game. You cannot drag up a different game to try to prove me wrong or inconsistent about what I said pertaining to last night's game.

That's different than showing that Curry's hall pass for wild shooting isn't warranted. It's not a single game argument.


Secondly, you think you understand the psyche of Kevin Love to confidently tell me that had he missed his first 3 shots he would have stopped taking them, when there is nothing to indicate that. Love takes more shots per game than Curry does, and on a lower percentage.

Hit me up when he takes 16 threes in one game.


So I guess to answer my previous question, you weren't necessarily lying, just talking out of your ass.
You're the liar. You've said as much.

[spurraider21]

at least you didn't deny talking out of your ass, which was apparent

[DMC]

at least you didn't deny talking out of your ass, which was apparent

Your rapid fire style of response indicates you're both agitated and not even reading what I am writing. You have an unhealthy, unwarranted fetish for Curry. Maybe you're Indian, maybe he suits your tastes because he's a hero baller. You do seem to like hero ballers. You've been defending Curry from the first page, when you were naive about his celebrations, and when shown the light, you downplayed it as a normal celebration.

Arguing with confirmation bias is a waste of time. He's a chucker. Just accept that and move on. You've not provided anything to counter it, you just nay say. You're like a mosquito.

What about the OP is incorrect? What about the thread title is incorrect? Any and all of your excuses can be used for Kobe as well.

1. No other options (Kobe's mentality)
2. Best shooter on the floor (Kobe thinks this as well)
3. Hits shots that most people should not even take (yep, Kobe again)
4. Has a track record of hitting difficult shots (again.. Kobe)


What you ignore:

1. Team's success rests on his luck on otherwise ill advised shots
2. Coach encourages it until it doesn't work
3. He has other options
4. He plays no defense
5. He stagnates the offense as 4 others stand around waiting for him to shoot

That's Kobe to the letter.

[spurraider21]

Arguing with confirmation bias is a waste of time. He's a chucker.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wow, Curry with one of the most selfish possessions I've ever seen to lose the game, tbh..

[DMC]

I didn't see it. What occurred?

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't see it. What occurred?

Warriors were down 2 with the ball, Curry was covered by PJ Tucker on an isolation, he couldn't shake him and instead of passing it out, he dribbled away the entire shot clock, pump faked, and bricked a contested runner to essentially end the game:lol..

[DMC]

Warriors were down 2 with the ball, Curry was covered by PJ Tucker on an isolation, he couldn't shake him and instead of passing it out, he dribbled away the entire shot clock, pump faked, and bricked a contested runner to essentially end the game:lol..

Yeah but he hit that last second stat padding shot. Look at his box score! How can you blame him?

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol even the Suns announcer questioned his shot and why they didn't look for Thompson off a screen or anything..

[DMC]

:lol even the Suns announcer questioned his shot and why they didn't look for Thompson off a screen or anything..

Because Curry is gifted, he can take that shot. No one else should and it's a really poor decision if anyone else makes it, but Curry is different. He's a baller.

[Xylus]

From my view at the game (granted, I was like 90 feet away), it looked like Tucker was allllll over him and the shot was the last option for Curry. His teammates weren't rushing to get open, though.

[Xylus]

Just re-watched the play. Klay just stood there like an idiot, and so did the rest of Curry's teammates. The shot was his only option.

[HarlemHeat37]

Just re-watched the play. Klay just stood there like an idiot, and so did the rest of Curry's teammates. The shot was his only option.

They had 2 timeouts remaining, tbh, and there would have been around 10 seconds remaining after he realized the play wasn't going anywhere, tbh..

Curry has a tendency to chuck bad shots in clutch time..

[Thread]

Warriors were down 2 with the ball, Curry was covered by PJ Tucker on an isolation, he couldn't shake him and instead of passing it out, he dribbled away the entire shot clock, pump faked, and bricked a contested runner to essentially end the game:lol..

Too bad he didn't have Artest to his right being guarded by Pierce. tee, hee.

[Clipper Nation]

Too bad he didn't have Artest to his right being guarded by Pierce. tee, hee.

Or MVPau to carry him... tee, hee.

[DAF86]

For future reference, I've said a volume shooter and a chucker are two different creatures. It's the flow of the offense that dictates the shot attempt. For example, Kevin Love took a lot of shots against the Spurs, but they were in the flow of the offense. Curry's shots are often with 3 defenders draped on him. Even Hubie called him out on it.

For the record.

Dude is a chucker, cannot defend for shit, has his moments where he hits unbelievable shots, but that style of offense isn't going to get them anywhere. He's a hero baller. Some of that shit he was throwing up there last night was wild as fuck.

Aside from some heat checks here and there, Curry plays within the rythm of the offense.

[DAF86]

BTW, Warriors need to trade Lee. They would be better with a "stretch 4" kind of player.

[ElNono]

BTW, Warriors need to trade Lee. They would be better with a "stretch 4" kind of player.

More 3s?

[DAF86]

More 3s?

And more spacing, more speed, more defense, less cancer.

[Thread]

Media will cover for them. NYC won't let them die on the vine. They'll drag out the injury card and that right soon.

[spurraider21]

And more spacing, more speed, more defense, less cancer.
thats the only part that made sense tbh

[ElNono]

And more spacing, more speed, more defense, less cancer.

they're all shooters already... another guy sitting in the perimeter isn't going to do stretch anything.

I would actually argue they need an interior guy with a post presence... say, Pau

[rayjayjohnson]

i dont understand why people are on the warriors' nutsack so hard.

:lol 9 seed

[DMC]

BTW, Warriors need to trade Lee. They would be better with a "stretch 4" kind of player.

They don't play enough inside out to be able to utilize a big. Those guys just get rebounds. They were doing fine a few nights ago until the PG Mark Jackson decided it was a PG game. Getting a big to run the floor in that type of system and rarely touch the ball except on rebounds is not easy. You don't need a good scoring big to do that. Mark Jackson is Mike D'Antoni 2.0.

[Killakobe81]

:lol even the Suns announcer questioned his shot and why they didn't look for Thompson off a screen or anything..

Why have curry play iso, instead of running him off a double screen?! they wasted more time when he failed to beat the guy twice off the bounce ...
Bad coaching and bad decision making. He wanted that shot, and he definitely has some of Kobe's ego/swag ...
But if HDMD drew that up that is on the coach ...Steph just ran the play ... I blame the coach.Also horrible use of the "two for one" ... forcing them to play the foul game ...

I would of posted this last night but Cowboys had me in a state of depression "shock"
When i started my soccer game yesterday ... GB had scored that 1st 2nd half TD, and I though Uh Oh but still thought they could win ...
So instead of watching my DVR of that game i watched the suns beat the Warriors ...

i love Plumlee's energy btw ...

[DAF86]

they're all shooters already... another guy sitting in the perimeter isn't going to do stretch anything.

I would actually argue they need an interior guy with a post presence... say, Pau

There isn't such thing as "enough shooters", tbh. If I could choose I would love for all the players in the roster of my team to be able to shoot the ball with accuracy and range. The problem with Lee isn't that he can't shoot threes, it's that besides not being able to shoot threes he is one of the worst defensive bigs in the league. He doesn't "stretch the floor" nor provides a presence inside. Look how hard it was for us to deal with them last season when they played four perimeter players and Bogut in the middle. If they have had Lee healthy and playing I'm sure the series would have been much more easy.

I think an atheltic, speedy guy that doesn't demand the ball, is able to hit the open jumper and gives effort on defense would fit a lot more with this Warriors team than David Lee.

[lefty]

:lmao Motherfucker has a 4 on 1, late in the game, goes for the layup instead of passing, and gets rejected by fatass Diaw :lmao

[lefty]

:lmao Motherfucker has a 4 on 1, late in the game, goes for the layup instead of passing, and gets rejected by fatass Diaw :lmao
lol faggit shits on me with a game tying 3

[jeebus]

lol needing Curry heroics to beat the spurs scrub team

[lefty]

dat shot :lmao

[jeebus]

lol lefty taking a wet Syrian shit all over faggy boy's face after throwing a shot that goes into the 5th row :lol

[Clipper Nation]

spurraider21 get in here and :downspin: dis shit! :lol

[lefty]

lol lefty taking a wet Syrian shit all over faggy boy's face after throwing a shot that goes into the 5th row :lol


:lmao

[lefty]

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[NASpurs]

Curry: 30 points and 15 assists, Lee: 32 points and 13 rebounds and Bogut with 18 rebounds. Good win for GSW. Oh wait...

[lefty]

lol I switch to NBA TV and there is Curry talking about winning :lmao

[DMC]

When chucking is hidden within a good stats game, it's harder to identify. I hope some of you got a better glimpse of it tonight.

[jeebus]

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[lefty]

lol I switch to NBA TV and there is Curry talking about winning :lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

should turn that gif into that ray allen gif, with alot of currys on the floor throwing up that shot...lmao just another chucker

[Chinook]

When chucking is hidden within a good stats game, it's harder to identify. I hope some of you got a better glimpse of it tonight.

You're right. It's like every shot he took outside the paint was a heat-check, and he was not looking for teammates unless a double came. He chucked. He's just an efficient chucker.

[Holden_Caulfield]

cant wait for the warriors give this spear chucker the max :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant wait for the warriors give this spear chucker the max :lol

he only got 40-50m/4yr extension last summer, his only on 10m a season

they sign his brother to a deal cause they underpaid steph just to make him happy...

[HarlemHeat37]

You're right. It's like every shot he took outside the paint was a heat-check, and he was not looking for teammates unless a double came. He chucked. He's just an efficient chucker.

There are little things Curry does that go unnoticed by fans because he's exciting to watch, and like you said, he's mostly efficient, unlike a guy like JR Smith or even Kobe/Carmelo most of the time..

For example, in the game tonight, Curry had a big switched onto him several times and still forced an off the dribble 3, even when there was nothing there, rather than swinging the ball to their big on the mismatch, which was Bogut, a capable finisher with a good hook shot, against Mills a few times IIRC..

I can't really blame him, though, Golden State is a very poorly coached team this season, they don't have the structure they had last year..

[spurraider21]

curry went chuck happy in the 4th. i actually thought he played a great first half. that 3 on 1 layup attempt was retarded. that last shot was just comical though :lol. if you go back and watch the replay, he didn't have an option to pass. still, gotta get up a better shot than that

overall the dude was setting up teammates all night though, so this notion of him getting his team out of flow is pretty odd. If Klay doesn't have a shitty shooting night there's a good chance Curry would have racked up 20 assists

[DMC]

curry went chuck happy in the 4th. i actually thought he played a great first half. that 3 on 1 layup attempt was retarded. that last shot was just comical though :lol. if you go back and watch the replay, he didn't have an option to pass. still, gotta get up a better shot than that

overall the dude was setting up teammates all night though, so this notion of him getting his team out of flow is pretty odd. If Klay doesn't have a shitty shooting night there's a good chance Curry would have racked up 20 assists

Curry apologetics 101

[spurraider21]

^dramatic goodbye thread and comeback due to web addiction 101

[Venti Quattro]

Curry's been shooting like shit tonight but he has 14-13-15. Good numbers

[DMC]

^dramatic goodbye thread and comeback due to web addiction 101

^reading comprehension issues due to not having English as a primary language

[DMC]

Curry's been shooting like shit tonight but he has 14-13-15. Good numbers

When your team gets out rebounded by their point guard, you're pretty much done.

Curry might be shooting like shit, but he's still taking the shots. I actually am more impressed lately that the bigs have been getting touches and making it count than by Curry's numbers. No way that team goes very far with their fate resting on Curry's ability to come off high screens and take quick, contested 3s. It should be in the arsenal, but he'd get wide open looks if he established an inside game for a couple quarters. Then again, his ability to hit shots opens up the paint. That one-two combination punch should be used more effectively, but Mark Jackson is a tool.

[Rogue]

^reading comprehension issues due to not having English as a primary language
or due to skipping too many english classes during early stages of education.

[Rogue]

When your team gets out rebounded by their point guard, you're pretty much done.

Curry might be shooting like shit, but he's still taking the shots. I actually am more impressed lately that the bigs have been getting touches and making it count than by Curry's numbers. No way that team goes very far with their fate resting on Curry's ability to come off high screens and take quick, contested 3s. It should be in the arsenal, but he'd get wide open looks if he established an inside game for a couple quarters. Then again, his ability to hit shots opens up the paint. That one-two combination punch should be used more effectively, but Mark Jackson is a tool.
That's why the warriors, Blazers and Lockets are just 3 bastards born in one brood. They live by shooting% and they'll die by it as well when shit really matters. Irony is all those 3 teams have solid bigs in the paint but they still give their gunners full privileges to jack up as many shots as they're happy with. They're built to win popularity, but not true glory imho

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warriors, Blazers and Lockets are just 3 bastards born in one brood

They're built to win popularity

Roguey

[Rogue]

^ Cully :toast

[Venti Quattro]

No way that team goes very far with their fate resting on Curry's ability to come off high screens and take quick, contested 3s.

Or his ankles, for that matter.

[DAF86]

Off topic but Curry is quite an underrated rebounder, tbh.

[DMC]

Off topic but Curry is quite an underrated rebounder, tbh.

That's because Mark has him under the rim more often than not. Just watch where he ends up after a transition, almost always under the rim. Sure he'll pop out, but he's occupying space that should be reserved for the bigs.

[Killakobe81]

That's why the warriors, Blazers and Lockets are just 3 bastards born in one brood. They live by shooting% and they'll die by it as well when shit really matters. Irony is all those 3 teams have solid bigs in the paint but they still give their gunners full privileges to jack up as many shots as they're happy with. They're built to win popularity, but not true glory imho

Rogue laying waste to the pretender to the throne ...

I still like Curry's game and like Kobe shot selection is his greatest foible ...
Ego makes these players great but can also be detrimental ...

[Expert]

So overt ego displays are marks of greatness now. JR Smith and Nate are GOATs then and Tim is a scrub. I thought game = great.

[Killakobe81]

So overt ego displays are marks of greatness now. JR Smith and Nate are GOATs then and Tim is a scrub. I thought game = great.

Dont be dense. I said great but also a foible ...
And if you think duncan has no ego your naive ...
It's just not wild shot happy ego like Kobe or curry

[Expert]

How many times have you seen Tim throw a team mate under the bus? Especially in the press just to shield himself from blame that he deserves.

Poor shot selection isn't a factor of ego, its a factor of ignorance, stupidity, and greed.

[Killakobe81]

How many times have you seen Tim throw a team mate under the bus? Especially in the press just to shield himself from blame that he deserves.

Poor shot selection isn't a factor of ego, its a factor of ignorance, stupidity, and greed.

That response is stupid. Kobe and Curry are praised for their basketball IQ. both are 2nd generation NBA players. They both know more hoops than 99.9% of this website and that includes myself.
Maybe it is being stubborn or not trusting of team-mates but to say that poor shot selection = stupidity illuminates your own ignorance tbh ...

[Killakobe81]

In fact, my main issue with kobe is he KNOWS better but he still takes 3-4 dumb shots a game ...
Doesnt mean he is stupid it , means he is stubborn and has a over inflated opinion of himself ... in other words EGO.

[DMC]

In fact, my main issue with kobe is he KNOWS better but he still takes 3-4 dumb shots a game ...
Doesnt mean he is stupid it , means he is stubborn and has a over inflated opinion of himself ... in other words EGO.

No it means he's stupid. Because he speaks decent English Laker fans think Kobe is intelligent, but they forget the dude has a HS education and spent his life on the basketball court. He's no smarter than KG, who's also pretty stupid.

[DMC]

That response is stupid. Kobe and Curry are praised for their basketball IQ. both are 2nd generation NBA players. They both know more hoops than 99.9% of this website and that includes myself.
Maybe it is being stubborn or not trusting of team-mates but to say that poor shot selection = stupidity illuminates your own ignorance tbh ...

Wow, you giving praise to Kobe, unexpected to say the least. You say he has a high BB IQ then admit he takes unwise shots. In fact, he shot his team out of the playoffs against the Thunder a couple seasons back. That's not a high IQ. That's a selfish "look good over winning" attitude and it's stupid. Losers never look good. Then you have Curry throwing the ball over the backboard instead of at least trying to pass to a teammate.

[Killakobe81]

Wow, you giving praise to Kobe, unexpected to say the least. You say he has a high BB IQ then admit he takes unwise shots. In fact, he shot his team out of the playoffs against the Thunder a couple seasons back. That's not a high IQ. That's a selfish "look good over winning" attitude and it's stupid. Losers never look good. Then you have Curry throwing the ball over the backboard instead of at least trying to pass to a teammate.
Another Dmc special ... My nicca was on fire in fact I named him one of my top posters but lately the takes have been well ...

[Killakobe81]

Steph showing how to win in mia hope you taking notes DMC

[Red Hawk #21]

Curry had 36 Points and 12 assists tonight in a win over the defending champs, DMC isn't gunna say anything tonight. He'll wait for Curry to have an off-night and run in to bump this retarded thread. Clown.

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Curry had 36 Points and 12 assists tonight in a win over the defending champs, DMC isn't gunna say anything tonight. He'll wait for Curry to have an off-night and run in to bump this retarded thread. Clown.

Hey, DMC, you've been called.

tee, hee.

[DMC]

Steph showing how to win in mia hope you taking notes DMC

I got you so worked up that you're running to these threads looking for any jab you can get. That must be how it is when you're a bottom feeding team. I wouldn't know, but I've had my suspicions.

You let us >.500 teams deal with each other and you just keep watching reruns of your boy playing that Raptors team but missing the playoffs.

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I got you so worked up that you're running to these threads looking for any jab you can get. That must be how it is when you're a bottom feeding team. I wouldn't know, but I've had my suspicions.

You let us >.500 teams deal with each other and you just keep watching reruns of your boy playing that Raptors team but missing the playoffs.

Curry got ya tonite, D. Just take it.

ha, ha.

[DMC]

Curry had 36 Points and 12 assists tonight in a win over the defending champs, DMC isn't gunna say anything tonight. He'll wait for Curry to have an off-night and run in to bump this retarded thread. Clown.

Chuckers have good nights. Kobe had good nights. He had nights with big stats. Still a chucker.

I'm always around. You just showed up for this however, hypocrite. Your last stand was Dominique... he's like what, 100 now?

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Chuckers have good nights. Kobe had good nights. He had nights with big stats. Still a chucker.

I'm always around. You just showed up for this however, hypocrite. Your last stand was Dominique... he's like what, 100 now?

You're never wrong. Like DUNCAN. Like Deeps.

Ya, sorehead, you.

[DMC]

Curry got ya tonite, D. Just take it.

ha, ha.

Like everything else, Dale, you don't participate. You just pop in for freebies. I've said all along that Curry will have good nights, and he will have bad nights, but at the end of the day and season he's a chucker. Don't act like you didn't agree with me on the 1st page, Dale, and try to sneak across the line.

The only arguments coming from casual observing box score watchers is when Curry has a good night. They don't even know the argument, they just see it as "Curry is a shitty player". I never said that. I said he's a Kobe wannabe and he is. Dude took 16 fucking threes a few games back. That's a lot for a team to take, much less just one person.

You'll note David Lee had a big game. You'll note that David has had several big games in a row. You'll note that David Lee got Curry through all those 5-16 and 1-6 from three nights. I don't hear anything about David Lee here though except that I said the Warriors need to play inside out.

Shitty takes from casual, ignorant ass posters and you here fart sniffin.

[DMC]

You're never wrong. Like DUNCAN. Like Deeps.

Ya, sorehead, you.

You've no room, Dale. You quit to avoid facing a loss. That's never admitting to being wrong. Where have you ever admitted to being wrong? You'd rather up and quit.

I'm not wrong. I wasn't wrong when I said it and I'm not wrong now. If Curry changes I'll be the first to say so.

[Killakobe81]

I got you so worked up that you're running to these threads looking for any jab you can get. That must be how it is when you're a bottom feeding team. I wouldn't know, but I've had my suspicions.

You let us >.500 teams deal with each other and you just keep watching reruns of your boy playing that Raptors team but missing the playoffs.

Me worked up? You running around like McNulty I'm Lester ...you aint even worth the skin off my knuckles ...we debated here we debated in the other but I'm gonna leave you alone ...Spurs lost to Knicks, Curry shot holes in your epic thread, and 6 still looms ...I'll just watch our dleague PG lead the Lakers in to the lottery eating my turd sandwich its about accountability Lasker's suck I am here still standing ...

[DMC]

Me worked up? You running around like McNulty I'm Lester ...you aint even worth the skin off my knuckles ...we debated here we debated in the other but I'm gonna leave you alone ...Spurs lost to Knicks, Curry shot holes in your epic thread, and 6 still looms ...I'll just watch our dleague PG lead the Lakers in to the lottery wasting my turd sandwich its about accountability Lasker's suck I am here still standing ...

You run around bumping my threads and telling me I am worked up. You're flustered. You have no future and your past is suspect as well.

lol you saying a PG shot holes in a theory with one game yet he lost to the same team you're calling a failure. You're flustered, don't know whether to shit or go blind.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao DMC killing niggas, tbh..

[Killakobe81]

You run around bumping my threads and telling me I am worked up. You're flustered. You have no future and your past is suspect as well.

lol you saying a PG shot holes in a theory with one game yet he lost to the same team you're calling a failure. You're flustered, don't know whether to shit or go blind.

Emotional responses betray your true feelings dmc ...its okay.
My past? What past? Please enlighten me with that hoop acumen ...

[Killakobe81]

:lmao DMC killing niggas, tbh..

Obligatory faggot support is what dmc calls it ...

[DMC]

Emotional responses betray your true feelings dmc ...its okay.
My past? What past? Please enlighten me with that hoop acumen ...

Curry is so good that our fucking bench beat him.

[Killakobe81]

Curry is so good that our fucking bench beat him.

All jokes aside really hope you aint taking this personal. Like I said in Harlem' s thread for poty I think the fury you have spit is generally top notch, but just feel you cross the line and we disagree but its all good I just don't remember you THIS angry but maybe I just wasn't paying attention. By no means am I taking anything I said back but just saying it aaint DAT serious I was laughing as I posted and hope despite sounding so full of bile that you actually enjoy the debate ...

[DMC]

All jokes aside really hope you aint taking this personal. Like I said in Harlem' s thread for poty I think the fury you have spit is generally top notch, but just feel you cross the line and we disagree but its all good I just don't remember you THIS angry but maybe I just wasn't paying attention. By no means am I taking anything I said back but just saying it aaint DAT serious I was laughing as I posted and hope despite sounding so full of bile that you actually enjoy the debate ...

I don't take sports personal. I just like talking shit like everyone else. I'm right though, and that's going to be made evident in due time and you'll all say Hosanna Hosanna! blessed is he who comes in the name of truth about that fucking chucker, and you'll lay palm leaves at my feet as I come in riding into the forum a burro affectionately named Cedric.

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I'm not wrong.

You never are.

[DMC]

You never are.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[Killakobe81]

I don't take sports personal. I just like talking shit like everyone else. I'm right though, and that's going to be made evident in due time and you'll all say Hosanna Hosanna! blessed is he who comes in the name of truth about that fucking chucker, and you'll lay palm leaves at my feet as I come in riding into the forum a burro affectionately named Cedric.

OK cool we don't have much history ...so wasn't sure so please proceed fire at me my Lakers ...Kobe, Steph ...and when I disagree I'll fire back ...

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lmcontrollinao!!!

lmemulatedao!!!

[Red Hawk #21]

Like everything else, Dale, you don't participate. You just pop in for freebies. I've said all along that Curry will have good nights, and he will have bad nights, but at the end of the day and season he's a chucker. Don't act like you didn't agree with me on the 1st page, Dale, and try to sneak across the line.

The only arguments coming from casual observing box score watchers is when Curry has a good night. They don't even know the argument, they just see it as "Curry is a shitty player". I never said that. I said he's a Kobe wannabe and he is. Dude took 16 fucking threes a few games back. That's a lot for a team to take, much less just one person.

You'll note David Lee had a big game. You'll note that David has had several big games in a row. You'll note that David Lee got Curry through all those 5-16 and 1-6 from three nights. I don't hear anything about David Lee here though except that I said the Warriors need to play inside out.

Shitty takes from casual, ignorant ass posters and you here fart sniffin.

The irony of this coming from YOU. Pussyface DMC you know you don't watch any of the Warriors games. You check the boxscore every time the Warriors play in the hopes that Curry has a bad game so you can bump this thread and say "Hey, see he really is a chucker after all !". You're such a fucking clown. Anyone who actually watches the Warriors or has seen a few games of them would know that Steph Curry is being asked to run their offense, get guys good shots and come through in the clutch. Since the departure of Jarrett Jack, Curry has had to handle the ball a whole lot more, hence his higher turnover numbers. Toney Douglas was supposed to be Jack's replacement and he's pure garbage. The rookie Nedovic has some potential but is obviously not ready yet. All of this puts a tremendous amount of pressure on Steph Curry but the Warriors are still doing good (21-13 record as of tonight). And if you watched Warriors games instead of studying the boxscore you would know that Mark Jackson is clueless and isn't really a coach. Curry, Iguodala and David Lee are coming up with their own plays on the fly (Which will result in their death come playoff time). Mike Malone was the real coach of that team, and now he's in Sacramento. Of course a young player with Curry's shooting touch will take some heat check shots, which he does every now and then. But he consistently finds the open man, and can come through in the clutch. He's a very good player (23ppg, 9.8apg, 4.7rpg) with a chance to become great and you need to quit being a faggot and get off his dick. DMC you are the definition of a clown. Go fuck yourself, fool.

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I don't take sports personal.

& I can achieve an erection.

[Thread]

The irony of this coming from YOU. Pussyface DMC you know you don't watch any of the Warriors games. You check the boxscore every time the Warriors play in the hopes that Curry has a bad game so you can bump this thread and say "Hey, see he really is a chucker after all !". You're such a fucking clown. Anyone who actually watches the Warriors or has seen a few games of them would know that Steph Curry is being asked to run their offense, get guys good shots and come through in the clutch in pressure situations. Since the departure of Jarrett Jack, Curry has had to handle the ball a whole lot more, hence his higher turnover numbers. Toney Douglas was supposed to be Jack's replacement and he's pure garbage. The rookie Nedovic has some potential but is obviously not ready yet. All of this puts a tremendous amount of pressure on Steph Curry but the Warriors are still doing good (21-13 record as of tonight). And if you watched Warriors games instead of studying the boxscore you would know that Mark Jackson is clueless and isn't really a coach. Curry, Iguodala and David Lee are coming up with their own plays on the fly (Which will result in their death come playoff time). Mike Malone was the real coach of that team, and now he's in Sacramento. Of course a young player with Curry's shooting touch will take some heat check shots, which he does every now and then. But he consistently finds the open man, and can come through in the clutch. He's a very good player (23ppg, 9.8apg, 4.7rpg) with a chance to become great and you need to quit being a faggot and get off his dick. DMC you are the definition of a clown. Go fuck yourself, fool.

Blast hair all over them walls, Hawky-Poo.

[DMC]

The irony of this coming from YOU. Pussyface DMC you know you don't watch any of the Warriors games. You check the boxscore every time the Warriors play in the hopes that Curry has a bad game so you can bump this thread and say "Hey, see he really is a chucker after all !". You're such a fucking clown. Anyone who actually watches the Warriors or has seen a few games of them would know that Steph Curry is being asked to run their offense, get guys good shots and come through in the clutch. Since the departure of Jarrett Jack, Curry has had to handle the ball a whole lot more, hence his higher turnover numbers. Toney Douglas was supposed to be Jack's replacement and he's pure garbage. The rookie Nedovic has some potential but is obviously not ready yet. All of this puts a tremendous amount of pressure on Steph Curry but the Warriors are still doing good (21-13 record as of tonight). And if you watched Warriors games instead of studying the boxscore you would know that Mark Jackson is clueless and isn't really a coach. Curry, Iguodala and David Lee are coming up with their own plays on the fly (Which will result in their death come playoff time). Mike Malone was the real coach of that team, and now he's in Sacramento. Of course a young player with Curry's shooting touch will take some heat check shots, which he does every now and then. But he consistently finds the open man, and can come through in the clutch. He's a very good player (23ppg, 9.8apg, 4.7rpg) with a chance to become great and you need to quit being a faggot and get off his dick. DMC you are the definition of a clown. Go fuck yourself, fool.

I have league pass and I watch every Warriors game.

These heat check shots you're referring to is called "chucking" by those of us in the know. 16 heat checks from 3 is a bit much. I could have called out an HVAC tech for that. Of course the team is in relatively worse shape than it could be, that's the point of my thread. Do you think I'd start one about a well known chucker like Ellis or Jennings? I am trying to teach you clowns a few things that you're not seeing because you're too blinded by the skills of a great shooter and don't see the truth that shot selection helps define the shooter.

[DMC]

OK cool we don't have much history ...so wasn't sure so please proceed fire at me my Lakers ...Kobe, Steph ...and when I disagree I'll fire back ...

Ok, do we need a safe word?

[Killakobe81]

The irony of this coming from YOU. Pussyface DMC you know you don't watch any of the Warriors games. You check the boxscore every time the Warriors play in the hopes that Curry has a bad game so you can bump this thread and say "Hey, see he really is a chucker after all !". You're such a fucking clown. Anyone who actually watches the Warriors or has seen a few games of them would know that Steph Curry is being asked to run their offense, get guys good shots and come through in the clutch in pressure situations. Since the departure of Jarrett Jack, Curry has had to handle the ball a whole lot more, hence his higher turnover numbers. Toney Douglas was supposed to be Jack's replacement and he's pure garbage. The rookie Nedovic has some potential but is obviously not ready yet. All of this puts a tremendous amount of pressure on Steph Curry but the Warriors are still doing good (21-13 record as of tonight). And if you watched Warriors games instead of studying the boxscore you would know that Mark Jackson is clueless and isn't really a coach. Curry, Iguodala and David Lee are coming up with their own plays on the fly (Which will result in their death come playoff time). Mike Malone was the real coach of that team, and now he's in Sacramento. Of course a young player with Curry's shooting touch will take some heat check shots, which he does every now and then. But he consistently finds the open man, and can come through in the clutch. He's a very good player (23ppg, 9.8apg, 4.7rpg) with a chance to become great and you need to quit being a faggot and get off his dick. DMC you are the definition of a clown. Go fuck yourself, fool.

Damn, hawk.
Great points about responsibilities which was my original point. Its easy to preach a koombaya share the rock at all costs mindset for ALL point guards but truth is Jackson would be a dumbass to encourage Steph to not shoot freely. Again he has a huge ego and takes a few bad shots a game much like Kobe which dmc was right to compare the two ...but both are great players and with proper teammates and coaching he will be fine ...but red is right not like Sterph has Phil to reign Steph in ...cut the kid some slack.

[Red Hawk #21]

I have league pass and I watch every Warriors game.

These heat check shots you're referring to is called "chucking" by those of us in the know. You just worry about getting out of the 1st round, faggot.

You fucking liar. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, fucking poser. I actually thought you were going to respond to some of the points I made but I guess I expected too much from you. Go suck on the Dick of the Gorilla in your sig you Fucking Faggot.

[Killakobe81]

Ok, do we need a safe word?
Ha, no fire away ...just wasn't sure how thick your skin was ...

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You fucking liar. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, fucking poser. I actually thought you were going to respond to some of the points I made but I guess I expected too much from you. Go suck on the Dick of the Gorilla in your sig you Fucking Faggot.

Tear that ass up, Hawky-Poo.

At home, D?

[DMC]

You fucking liar. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, fucking poser. I actually thought you were going to respond to some of the points I made but I guess I expected too much from you. Go suck on the Dick of the Gorilla in your sig you Fucking Faggot.

I didn't actually read your post since it was based on a faulty premise (your opening statement).

Rewrite it and resubmit. Don't take it personal.

[Red Hawk #21]

I didn't actually read your post

Of course you didn't, Faggot.

:rollin

[DMC]

Of course you didn't, Faggot.

:rollin:lol

[DMC]

Iggy bailing Curry's chucking ass out tonight.

[DMC]

lol Redhawk #21

[Robz4000]

Dat guy Iggy is pretty clutch doe!

[DMC]

Fucking leaving the inbounder lol

[spurraider21]

hey, DMC. who are the top 5 point guards in the nba today?

[DMC]

hey, DMC. who are the top 5 point guards in the nba today?

Google it, idiot. Do you see "Siri" in my name anywhere?

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
39
9-16
0-0
5-7
3
5
8
3
2
0
2
1
+11
23


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
27
3-5
1-3
0-0
1
2
3
5
1
0
0
0
+14
7


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
18
3-5
0-0
0-0
3
6
9
3
1
3
2
2
+3
6


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
35
7-15
1-7

7-8
0
8
8
9
5
0
9
5
+12
22


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
40
8-17
3-7
2-2
1
4
5
6
0
1
3
1
+12
21


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
12
2-4
0-1
1-1
2
3
5
0
0
0
2
0
-8
5


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
29
4-12
1-2
0-1
3
2
5
2
3
0
0
4
-2
9


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
18
0-3
0-2
0-2
0
2
2
1
2
2
2
4
-17
0


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
9
2-5
0-2
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-11
4


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
15
1-5
0-3
2-4
0
2
2
1
1
1
1
0
-9
4


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



39-87
6-27
17-25
13
34
47
30
15
7
21
17

101



44.8%
22.2%
68.0%

[JohnnyMax]

another Kobe wannabe is Kyrie Irving

[spurraider21]

Google it, idiot. Do you see "Siri" in my name anywhere?
Asking for your top 5. No need to play dumb. You're a natural

[rayjayjohnson]

this iggy never showed up in denver.

[AchillesHeel]

Just found out Iggy's only 30. why the fuck did he stop being a scorer? He's taking 7 shots while playing 33 minutes a game? jesus.

And the Iggy in Denver was practically the same, only worse from 3.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
35
10-16
0-0
1-2
2
9
11
5
1
0
0
1
+26
21


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
24
2-3
0-0
3-4
0
2
2
3
1
1
1
0
+23
7


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
26
7-9
0-0
1-2
2
9
11
2
2
4
1
2
+30
15


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
34
5-17

1-5

1-1
1
1
2
9
1
1
2
5
+32
12


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
32
8-13
6-9
2-2
0
3
3
0
2
1
1
0
+30
24


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
14
2-6
0-0
3-3
2
1
3
0
0
0
1
2
-18
7


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
20
3-4
0-0
4-4
0
4
4
2
0
0
1
1
0
10


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
8
1-4
1-2
0-0
1
0
1
0
1
0
0
0
-8
3


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
7
0-3
0-3
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
2
-14
0


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
6
0-1
0-1
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
-11
0


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
Has not entered game


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
Has not entered game


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



38-76
8-20
15-18
8
30
38
21
8
7
8
13

99



50.0%
40.0%
83.3%



Fast break points: 10
Points in the paint: 46
Total Team Turnovers (Points off turnovers): 10 (16

[spurraider21]

wow 9 assists, and set Klay up for all types of open shots

[DMC]

wow 9 assists, and set Klay up for all types of open shots

He finished with 10 assists. He could have set Klay up without chucking up more shots than anyone else on the floor.

[spurraider21]

He finished with 10 assists.
:worthy:

[Brazil]

:lol dat thread

[Bill_Brasky]

You fucking liar. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, fucking poser. I actually thought you were going to respond to some of the points I made but I guess I expected too much from you. Go suck on the Dick of the Gorilla in your sig you Fucking Faggot.
:lmao

Curry is a chucker.

[DMC]

There were a dozen leg riders and now it's down to one with just a straggler now and again who pops in, doesn't read the thread and just lashes out in defense of Curry.

[DPG21920]

I guess the point is DMC, people want to know what this all means. It's one thing to say he's a chucker, but what's the end game? That he's not a top PG in the league because of it? That is his team can't win with him playing that way? That his team is better off without him or would be better if he cut down his SPG? I guess they want to know what is the issue with being an efficient chucker..

[DMC]

I guess the point is DMC, people want to know what this all means. It's one thing to say he's a chucker, but what's the end game? That he's not a top PG in the league because of it? That is his team can't win with him playing that way? That his team is better off without him or would be better if he cut down his SPG? I guess they want to know what is the issue with being an efficient chucker..

All that has been discussed ITT.

[DPG21920]

True, but after seeing the record of GS improve over the course of the thread, a summary for those who've been following and future expectations is what I was getting at.

Not for me, but for those interested.

[spurraider21]

There's no endgame. DMC is simply the SpursTalk resident critic