LOL Stephen "I Wanna Be Kobe" Curry

[DMC]

True, but after seeing the record of GS improve over the course of the thread, a summary for those who've been following and future expectations is what I was getting at.

Not for me, but for those interested.

Right, but if you look at how the balance of the offense shifted to bigs during this stretch, you can see that having a PG heavy scoring game isn't how they've gotten here. I don't think anyone thinks Curry is a shitty PG. I think he needs to move the ball more and I've no problem with him taking the volume of shots he's been taking if they are in the flow of the offense instead of that high screen/semi successful play they've run for so long.

In wins this season, Steph has averaged over 10 assists per game. In losses he's averaged just above 8. On the flip side, in wins he's averaged 20.5pts a game, 13th in the league, while in losses he's averaged a league leading 29pts. Some of that is due to Iggy being out, but it's also an indication that although he has the ability to score a lot of points, the team's best results come when he doesn't. We've seen that be the case with Kobe as well, and many have refused to admit it, blaming the team instead (no other scoring options). Sometimes that's the case but not always. The same group who wins when he scores less loses when he scores more. I think that's because they don't defend as well and because the guy who they are covering didn't have to do work on defense.

[DMC]

There's no endgame. DMC is simply the SpursTalk resident critic

There's no endgame. I am pointing out an otherwise hidden aspect of a player's game that people like you seem to either overlook, ignore or be ignorant of. It struck me during the playoffs that Curry's game is a lot like a younger Kobe (minus the athleticism). He can shoot, no one doubts that, but during the times when he was shooting so often and even shooting well most of the time, the team was not doing well. When Curry's shooting was off, and he passed to open shooters or into the paint, good things happened.

I think a great shooter can win games, but a great team can win championships. A great shooter can make a great team into just a good one if he's permitted to shoot every chance he gets and takes that opportunity. Just think "Gary Neal" and if you took the Finals, just a couple games, you'd think he's the best option... him and Green... shoot every time you get the ball. That's not how the Spurs got there and it actually cost them eventually. Curry is better, obviously, all around, but team concept is the same.

[spurraider21]

Curry is 2nd in the nba in assists and is clearly prioritizing getting teammates involved

[DPG21920]

Only thing regarding Kobe comparison is that Kobe has proven nothing with regards to making the shots that Curry can make any where close to as efficiently. Kobe takes more bad shots and makes them at a way less efficient clip. Not only that, he doesn't have the assists that Curry has either.

[DMC]

Curry is 2nd in the nba in assists and is clearly prioritizing getting teammates involved

What's your argument?

[DMC]

Only thing regarding Kobe comparison is that Kobe has proven nothing with regards to making the shots that Curry can make any where close to as efficiently. Kobe takes more bad shots and makes them at a way less efficient clip. Not only that, he doesn't have the assists that Curry has either.

I don't recall even insinuating that Kobe and Steph Curry have similar stats.

[DMC]

This is from an article about Kobe from 2010, and you could change the name to "Curry" and be just about as accurate (minus the obvious).

People love Kobe because he makes lots of ridiculous shots. But why is he taking lots of ridiculous shots? Does he have to? Don’t you usually take those when there are no passing lanes, or when the shot clock is winding down? I’m posing the question. Is it even likely that a team that has had so much success in every arena for the last two years could suddenly morph into those Allen Iverson 76ers teams? Or is it rather the particulars of this Allen Iverson’s play that’s changed his teammates into a misshapen crew—that nevertheless has still managed to take two games so far in this series.


Therein lies my point: This Warriors team is misshapen compared to what they should be or could be. Some might think this is their pinnacle, but I've seen signs from them to suggest otherwise (saw it last season tbh). However, Steph plays the important role in the imaginary "could be" team, he just doesn't rely on bail out shots to do so because he has a game plan and executes it.

[Killakobe81]

Steph is a great young player. Sure, he has a big ego. Sure he could feed his team-mates more.
But personally I dont mind a player that is a bit more aggressive and you need to rein them in ...versus a guy scared to take big shots or worries more about efficiency or FG% ...like a guy in the old days that was scared to fling a 3 pointer at the buzzer because they want to protect their fg%. I dont think anyone here even a Warriors fan (do they still exist?) would argue for "wild chucking" ...
But calling the kid a wannabe Kobe because he chucks a few forced shots a game ... especially when Lebron, Pop etc have commented about the "greenlight" he is afforded and amire his confidence... like someone else pointed out some, of this is on Mark Jackson's system, which if you think about it is similar to what he did at Davidson his senior year. GSW needs him to score but yet he also has to get his team-mates involved. But he also happens to be one of the best shooters in the game. He is getting better at striking a balance. Montae for example, has shown this year how much more efficient he can be with a better coach. HDMD is no RC ...

BTW Durant, Lebron and others seem overly concerned with their efficiency numbers. Not that being efficient is bad, but I hear Lebron/Wade referring to them all the time. Lebron is very stat conscious. But hey as great as he is he could play anyway he wants ... Curry strikes a good balance all things considered.

[Red Hawk #21]

:lmao

Curry is a chucker.

Yes, he can be at times.

[Red Hawk #21]

There's no endgame. DMC is simply the SpursTalk resident critic

Pretty much. DMC will criticize no matter what the situation is just to try to make himself feel better for this excuse of a thread. It's pathetic. He'll wait for Curry to have a bad game so he can post the boxscore. And when Curry has a good game (As he tends to, he is one of the best point guards in the league, you know) he'll either be nowhere to be found, or he'll just keep insisting that Curry must have chucked to have had such a good game. This shit is sad tbh...

:rollin

[AchillesHeel]

Curry's having a career year right now. 23 points 5 rebs 10 assists per game on 44,5% FG and 40,5% from 3 with 8 attempts per game...The kid can ball.

He could be even better if chucked a little less because the Warriors are talented as hell. They have David Lee,Andrew Bogut,Iggy,Klay,Barnes...all of them are all-star caliber players, period.

Warriors should finish as a top 3 seed with the roster they have...They got 3 guys averaging near 20 ppg and they have great shooters and Bogut has been amazing this year... And they're also on a 9 game winning streak, facing the Bucks,Nets and Celtics next.

If GSW are healthy in the POs, I could see them making the WCF, they're obviously better and healthier than last year.

[Brazil]

Right, but if you look at how the balance of the offense shifted to bigs during this stretch, you can see that having a PG heavy scoring game isn't how they've gotten here. I don't think anyone thinks Curry is a shitty PG. I think he needs to move the ball more and I've no problem with him taking the volume of shots he's been taking if they are in the flow of the offense instead of that high screen/semi successful play they've run for so long.

In wins this season, Steph has averaged over 10 assists per game. In losses he's averaged just above 8. On the flip side, in wins he's averaged 20.5pts a game, 13th in the league, while in losses he's averaged a league leading 29pts. Some of that is due to Iggy being out, but it's also an indication that although he has the ability to score a lot of points, the team's best results come when he doesn't. We've seen that be the case with Kobe as well, and many have refused to admit it, blaming the team instead (no other scoring options). Sometimes that's the case but not always. The same group who wins when he scores less loses when he scores more. I think that's because they don't defend as well and because the guy who they are covering didn't have to do work on defense.

/thread

stating like that, everybody can agree.

For me, Steph is not a chuker referential point being Kobe, AI... but he has to find the good balance between involving his team mates and scoring. That's not an easy task especially when you are talented and you can shoot from anywhere. You do so properly when you are a vet, he is far from being a vet and he is doing well in my book.

Parker's life in that aspect is a bit easier once he understood quickly his limitations especially on the 3s, in his case difficulty is to balance penetrations and moving the ball. Being in shape is key here, last year I thought he found the good balance through mostly all the year, this year he is clearly gassed and it affects his decision making during the games. He cannot find consistency, one game taking 15 shots, the other 9, the other 20 etc...

[spurraider21]

its hard to say Curry has difficulty moving the ball when he is 2nd in the NBA in assists

[spurraider21]

this year he is clearly gassed and it affects his decision making during the games. He cannot find consistency, one game taking 15 shots, the other 9, the other 20 etc...
that could be interpreted as several things. playing according to defense, feeding the hot hands on nights that they're hot. you can find similar inconsistencies in darn near anybody's FG figures

[Brazil]

that could be interpreted as several things. playing according to defense, feeding the hot hands on nights that they're hot. you can find similar inconsistencies in darn near anybody's FG figures

true but the eye test tells me he is being erratic a bit on the search of that balance, he was more natural last year. He had FGA < 10 during the 66 games he played 4 times last year, he is already at 6 this season. He is taking the same number of shots than last year more or less per minutes but with more ups and downs.

[AchillesHeel]

tbh I don't think Curry should change anything right now...they've won 9 in a row, including a win @ Miami. I think Curry's been passing the ball just about the right amount with David Lee's recent production. There are 2 other guys averaging 19-20 ppg alongside Curry. Curry only takes 18 shots a game while he averages near 10 assists. I don't see what the big problem is. There are 3 other guys taking 10+ shots a game on that team.

During this winning streak, Curry's only been taking 16.7 shots a game while averaging 10.4 assists. The only things worth criticizing are his efficiency and his turnovers. But they are on a pretty big winning streak so whatevs.

Curry and Kirby don't have much in common. Curry is a better shooter and a playmaker while he doesn't nearly chuck as many ill-advised shots as some might claim. I watch the Warriors often as I think their offense is the most exciting in the league and I don't see much wrong with his game. I think he'll get better at the playmaking aspect as he gets older.

[Killakobe81]

tbh I don't think Curry should change anything right now...they've won 9 in a row, including a win @ Miami. I think Curry's been passing the ball just about the right amount with David Lee's recent production. There are 2 other guys averaging 19-20 ppg alongside Curry. Curry only takes 18 shots a game while he averages near 10 assists. I don't see what the big problem is. There are 3 other guys taking 10+ shots a game on that team.

During this winning streak, Curry's only been taking 16.7 shots a game while averaging 10.4 assists. The only things worth criticizing are his efficiency and his turnovers. But they are on a pretty big winning streak so whatevs.

Curry and Kirby don't have much in common. Curry is a better shooter and a playmaker while he doesn't nearly chuck as many ill-advised shots as some might claim. I watch the Warriors often as I think their offense is the most exciting in the league and I don't see much wrong with his game. I think he'll get better at the playmaking aspect as he gets older.

This. And you cant just look at the numbers. if you watch him ...DPG is right he takes a couple "Heat chucks" a game.
But they are winning. He has a green light and he is still creating for his team-mates. of course his assists are a bit inflated due to their pace.
But I doubt any of his team-mates feel they are not getting enough touches except Barnes, which Iggy is more to blame since he would be starting otherwise ...
I liked him as a player (college/pro) and a commentator but their failings to me fall on their coach more than Steph.

[DMC]

its hard to say Curry has difficulty moving the ball when he is 2nd in the NBA in assists

Who said that besides you?

I said he needs to move the ball around more. I didn't say he was having difficulty doing so. What, is quoting too difficult for you?

Do you not understand how a person with a lot of assists can still stagnate the offense? Offenses that share the ball also share the assists because the best option isn't always one pass from the PG.

[DMC]

tbh I don't think Curry should change anything right now...they've won 9 in a row, including a win @ Miami. I think Curry's been passing the ball just about the right amount with David Lee's recent production. There are 2 other guys averaging 19-20 ppg alongside Curry. Curry only takes 18 shots a game while he averages near 10 assists. I don't see what the big problem is. There are 3 other guys taking 10+ shots a game on that team.

During this winning streak, Curry's only been taking 16.7 shots a game while averaging 10.4 assists. The only things worth criticizing are his efficiency and his turnovers. But they are on a pretty big winning streak so whatevs.

Curry and Kirby don't have much in common. Curry is a better shooter and a playmaker while he doesn't nearly chuck as many ill-advised shots as some might claim. I watch the Warriors often as I think their offense is the most exciting in the league and I don't see much wrong with his game. I think he'll get better at the playmaking aspect as he gets older.

Recently the team has gone more inside out, and that's what I've been saying they needed to do. This win streak isn't because of Curry's scoring, he's had bad shooting nights during this streak but they've gotten it done. That pass to Iggy in Atlanta was better than that 5th row heave against SA, and yes he had other options.

[AchillesHeel]

Recently the team has gone more inside out, and that's what I've been saying they needed to do. This win streak isn't because of Curry's scoring, he's had bad shooting nights during this streak but they've gotten it done. That pass to Iggy in Atlanta was better than that 5th row heave against SA, and yes he had other options.


The team is just very talented overall. They have a top 10 offense and defense. The addition of Iggy + a healthy Bogut makes them a great team on both ends. Last year they struggled on defense.

Curry is not perfect, but he's a great shooter with decent playmaking ability. He's perfect for running that offense. Teams can't sag off him and they can't double him either because they have shooters everywhere and Curry can knock down pull up 3s like they're nothing. A healthy Warriors team is a real threat in the POs.

[spurraider21]

Who said that besides you?

I said he needs to move the ball around more. I didn't say he was having difficulty doing so. What, is quoting too difficult for you?

Do you not understand how a person with a lot of assists can still stagnate the offense? Offenses that share the ball also share the assists because the best option isn't always one pass from the PG.
Nash was racking up all the assists when the Suns had the most prolific offense in the NBA. the warriors have one of the best offenses in the NBA, and the assists are coming from one place. it's not as uncommon as you make it out to be.

[DMC]

Nash was racking up all the assists when the Suns had the most prolific offense in the NBA. the warriors have one of the best offenses in the NBA, and the assists are coming from one place. it's not as uncommon as you make it out to be.

Once again, where did I say it was uncommon? You have a reading comprehension problem, or at least a problem repeating what you just read.

[spurraider21]

I said he needs to move the ball around more.

Do you not understand how a person with a lot of assists can still stagnate the offense? Offenses that share the ball also share the assists because the best option isn't always one pass from the PG.
this is what i was responding to. i replied with the facts that curry shares the ball as much as any point guard in the NBA not named Chris Paul.

i also argued that one guy getting all the assists doesn't mean the offense is stagnant

[DMC]

this is what i was responding to. i replied with the facts that curry shares the ball as much as any point guard in the NBA not named Chris Paul.

i also argued that one guy getting all the assists doesn't mean the offense is stagnant

1. No where did I ever use or infer the term "uncommon".
2. I did not infer that having high assists stagnates the offense. I said "do you not understand HOW a person with a lot of assists CAN stagnate the offense?"

When one person gets a ton of assists, that can be because there's only one pass ever made from the PG before the shot. If that same person registers 25FGA in a game, you can (should) develop a picture that the ball was stagnant between the PG and whatever his 2nd option was, and those assists are often because that 2nd option had a decent night or the PG over penetrated and had to kick out or dump off to another player beneath the basket (wrap around).

Imagine the ball moves around the horn. What's the odds the best shot option is going to come from the PG's pass? Ball movement dictates that the cutter often gets the ball, or that the defense is pulled around leaving someone open in the corner. Curry instead likes to run the high screen, and if a defender shows on him, he dumps it off. That's not ball movement, that's a bail out.

So stop changing my words so you can find something easier to disagree with. I've not inferred anything I haven't said.

[spurraider21]

1. No where did I ever use or infer the term "uncommon".
2. I did not infer that having high assists stagnates the offense. I said "do you not understand HOW a person with a lot of assists CAN stagnate the offense?"

So stop changing my words so you can find something easier to disagree with. I've not inferred anything I haven't said.
you never used the term uncommon. it is possible to make a new point without necessarily trying to refute yours directly. i didn't change any of your words, nor did i false quote you for anything. instead of trying to find grammatical loopholes in my arguments (as you have done for a couple of pages on this thread) why don't you try to actually argue the points. you said a person with a lot of assists can stagnate the offense. i brought up a counterexample, and implied that Curry fits under that category

[Killakobe81]

This. And you cant just look at the numbers. if you watch him ...DPG is right he takes a couple "Heat chucks" a game.
But they are winning. He has a green light and he is still creating for his team-mates. of course his assists are a bit inflated due to their pace.
But I doubt any of his team-mates feel they are not getting enough touches except Barnes, which Iggy is more to blame since he would be starting otherwise ...
I liked him as a player (college/pro) and a commentator but their failings to me fall on their coach more than Steph.

I meant DMC is right at least to an extent ...

[Killakobe81]

1. No where did I ever use or infer the term "uncommon".
2. I did not infer that having high assists stagnates the offense. I said "do you not understand HOW a person with a lot of assists CAN stagnate the offense?"

When one person gets a ton of assists, that can be because there's only one pass ever made from the PG before the shot. If that same person registers 25FGA in a game, you can (should) develop a picture that the ball was stagnant between the PG and whatever his 2nd option was, and those assists are often because that 2nd option had a decent night or the PG over penetrated and had to kick out or dump off to another player beneath the basket (wrap around).

Imagine the ball moves around the horn. What's the odds the best shot option is going to come from the PG's pass? Ball movement dictates that the cutter often gets the ball, or that the defense is pulled around leaving someone open in the corner. Curry instead likes to run the high screen, and if a defender shows on him, he dumps it off. That's not ball movement, that's a bail out.

So stop changing my words so you can find something easier to disagree with. I've not inferred anything I haven't said.

I agree that assists numbers can be misleading. To me a guy that hogs any stat scoring, assists or boards at the expense of focus on team can be detrimental. Rodman to me was a rebound whore who lost his focus on defense to wholly focus on boards later in his Bulls career. Rondo did the same with assists and started a rift with Ray who hated his ball hoarding. Moses used to toss up shots at the rim to pad board numbers ...none of that places winning first by themselves and that is why watching the game and not boxscore hunting is more important to evaluating players. Numbers do lie.

Chucking gets the negative play on here but there are plenty of selfishness on NBA rosters that is why the spurs are so refreshing to watch from a pure hoops perspective. Heat as well to a lessor degree but make up for it more talent and athleticism.

[DMC]

you never used the term uncommon. it is possible to make a new point without necessarily trying to refute yours directly. i didn't change any of your words, nor did i false quote you for anything. instead of trying to find grammatical loopholes in my arguments (as you have done for a couple of pages on this thread) why don't you try to actually argue the points. you said a person with a lot of assists can stagnate the offense. i brought up a counterexample, and implied that Curry fits under that category

I didn't mention grammar, and the semantics issue is relevant because you're arguing against words I didn't use.

A person with a lot of assists can stagnate the offense. That doesn't mean the same thing as saying "having a lot of assists leads to stagnant offenses". Instead, I am saying the two are not mutually exclusive: you can have a lot of assists and have a stagnant offense depending on how you get those assists. I've explained the rest. Just alter my phrases and argue against those strawmen. Have fun with that.

[DMC]

The bulk of the nay saying can be boiled down to:

Sure he's a chucker, but I'm ok with it because they are winning.

or

Sure he's a chucker, but he's an efficient chucker sometimes.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


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1
2
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7
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5
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2
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11


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12
3
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1
3
2
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Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG

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6
1
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7

2
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15


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
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2-4
1
1
2
0
0
0
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4
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15


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8


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14
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1
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Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
DNP RIGHT WRIST SURGERY


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54
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101



46.4%
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[spurraider21]

your primary rebuttals to anything i have said over the 19 page life of this thread have been semantics and grammar. cool.

[DMC]

your primary rebuttals to anything i have said over the 19 page life of this thread have been semantics and grammar. cool.

You argue like a teenage girl, thinking you can use place holder words and that they will stand up to debate. Clean up your rebuttal if you want to be taken seriously. All you've done is a virtual roll eyes with your responses.

So list your top 10 hottest guys....

[spurraider21]

ad hominem ftw

[DMC]

ad hominem ftw

"I started watching basketball when Tim was drafted"...

[spurraider21]

"I started watching basketball when Tim was drafted"...

let me help you


I would say thanks, tbh. I started watching basketball the year he was drafted, and loved his game/demeanor enough to become a spurfan in Los Angeles

not sure if that's supposed to be some sort of diss :lol. i was about 6 years old at the time

[DMC]

let me help you



not sure if that's supposed to be some sort of diss :lol. i was about 6 years old at the time

If I put all your posts together, there's not a single point to be made in anything you've said.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


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15


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15


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3
3
1
2
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1
0
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4


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1-2
3
0
3
1
0
0
0
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1


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
12
3-6
2-5
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
2
+10
8


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
14
3-4
0-1
0-0
1
0
1
1
1
1
1
1
+13
6


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
DNP RIGHT WRIST SURGERY


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



39-84
10-32
13-20
15
39
54
21
5
4
17
22

101



46.4%
31.3%
65.0%






If I put all your posts together, there's not a single point to be made in anything you've said.

[spurraider21]

The only arguments coming from casual observing box score watchers is when Curry has a good night.
:lol and yet all you do is copy-paste the box scores after his bad nights

[DMC]

:lol and yet all you do is copy-paste the box scores after his bad nights

I've copied and pasted his good and bad nights for discussion purposes. So why do you think he took 11 3s? Is 11 just about right, because you said 16 was too many.

[spurraider21]

i didn't watch tonight's game, so i can't really comment on the looks he got. his numbers look shitty. 5-18 is never a good thing and he had a lot of turnovers

[DMC]

i didn't watch tonight's game, so i can't really comment on the looks he got. his numbers look shitty. 5-18 is never a good thing and he had a lot of turnovers

But they won... so whatever Curry does must be helping that, keep doing it, right? That's all that matters.

[spurraider21]

But they won... so whatever Curry does must be helping that, keep doing it, right? That's all that matters.
If you say so. After all, you claim to watch every warriors game, so you'd know better than I do on this one

[DMC]

If you say so. After all, you claim to watch every warriors game, so you'd know better than I do on this one

"it's not as uncommon as you make it out to be."

This is you telling me I make it out to be uncommon.

"you never used the term uncommon. it is possible to make a new point without necessarily trying to refute yours directly"

Here you're trying to defend your invention of a strawman by claiming you're making a new point instead of saying I was "making it out to be uncommon".

You've done this sort of thing over and over. Meanwhile I've shown you stats and game analysis to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Curry is a chucker. You only puff up your chest when he has a good shooting night, even if you didn't see the game, but you say you don't know if he took too many 3s or not (2-11) because you didn't see the game. Basically, if he hits the shot, regardless when or how it comes, it was a good shot selection.

You're a child.

[spurraider21]

what does that have to do with the quote or the bolded segment?

anywho, you bring up this thread after Curry's poor nights in the same manner that you claim I puff my chest out after his good nights. you resort to stupid semantics/grammatical corrections as an argumentative method, or stupid ad hominem arguments, such as where you claimed i'm a kobe lover

i don't watch every Warriors game, nor do I pretend to. heck, i don't even watch every spurs game. are there night's where curry takes too many heat chucks? surely. you also need to understand that his game is predicated on his shooting ability more than his driving ability such as a tony parker. he is not a great finisher in the paint. he is a ridiculous outside shooter, and uses THAT aspect of his game to pose a threat and use that defense's reactions to create for teammates, as evidenced by his high assist totals next to his FGA numbers.

[RD2191]

Damn, I never noticed how shitty of a player Curry really is. His FG % is fucking terrible. Lol @ people saying this clown is a better PG than TP.

[spurraider21]

Damn, I never noticed how shitty of a player Curry really is. His FG % is fucking terrible. Lol @ people saying this clown is a better PG than TP.
few people on this forum would argue that Curry is better than Parker. Parker hasn't exactly been on his a-game this year, but he's still the guy you'd rather have in a playoff game

[DMC]

Your rapid fire style of response indicates you're both agitated and not even reading what I am writing. You have an unhealthy, unwarranted fetish for Curry. Maybe you're Indian, maybe he suits your tastes because he's a hero baller. You do seem to like hero ballers. You've been defending Curry from the first page, when you were naive about his celebrations, and when shown the light, you downplayed it as a normal celebration.

Arguing with confirmation bias is a waste of time. He's a chucker. Just accept that and move on. You've not provided anything to counter it, you just nay say. You're like a mosquito.

What about the OP is incorrect? What about the thread title is incorrect? Any and all of your excuses can be used for Kobe as well.

1. No other options (Kobe's mentality)
2. Best shooter on the floor (Kobe thinks this as well)
3. Hits shots that most people should not even take (yep, Kobe again)
4. Has a track record of hitting difficult shots (again.. Kobe)


What you ignore:

1. Team's success rests on his luck on otherwise ill advised shots
2. Coach encourages it until it doesn't work
3. He has other options
4. He plays no defense
5. He stagnates the offense as 4 others stand around waiting for him to shoot

That's Kobe to the letter.

[DMC]

Watching Curry tonight, he's either shooting or turning it over. He's hit some difficult looks, but his passes are soft and telegraphed. He's not looking for teammates unless he's doubled, and then he lobs out of it and it's picked off. There's been half a dozen times his pass has been tipped and not intercepted.

[DMC]

lol he just did it again twice... long 3's both missed with the game tied 2.5m in the 4th. No one else touched the ball either time.

[Venti Quattro]

lol he just did it again twice... long 3's both missed with the game tied 2.5m in the 4th. No one else touched the ball either time.

10-23 FG, 2-9 3FG 7 AST and 6 TO ......... oh boy you're gonna have a field day

[DMC]

10-23 FG, 2-9 3FG 7 AST and 6 TO ......... oh boy you're gonna have a field day

It's not the stats tbh. You have to see how they developed. He's been hero balling, and Livingston just used him like a cum rag.

[Venti Quattro]

:lmao :lmao Steph Curry

[DMC]

lol Hero Curry turned it over again in the hero ball moment.

[DMC]

lol hero baller shot a two when he needed a 3.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
40
9-14
0-0
2-5
2
5
7
3
1
1
5
3
+10
20


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
30
1-5
1-3
0-0
1
7
8
3
1
1
1
4
+1
3


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
31
5-7
0-0
0-0
1
8
9
0
1
2
0
2
+1
10


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
45
11-25

2-10

10-10
0
5
5
7
3
0
7

5
+1
34


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
43
5-15
4-10

0-0
0

5
5
3
0
0
2
3
+3
14


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A

OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
7
2-5
0-0
2-2
1
0
1
1
0
1
1
3
-7
6


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
21
2-3
2-2
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
1
-8
6


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
16
1-3
0-1
2-4
1
4
5
2
1
0
1
5
-10
4


Toney Douglas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3979/toney-douglas), PG
3
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-3
0


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
3
0-1
0-0
1-2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
-8
1


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
DNP RIGHT WRIST INJURY


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



36-78
9-26
17-23
6
34
40
19
7
5
18
27

98



46.2%
34.6%
73.9%

[Rogue]

curry's assist numbers are still nice but it doesn't mean he's trying to get teammates involved imho. He's a scoring-first PG who doesn't even start to look for teammates until he's facing doubt team (DMC, 2014), and his teammates who're also clutch shooters will make the ball fall and help him pad up his assists, but it's not like he's earning those assists the Jason Kidd way tbh.

[spurraider21]

kid is going turnover crazy. needs to calm down and let iggy take pressure off him and make the defense have to account for him too

[FYM]

I'd take dat Curry kid for my -10 IQ rondo fwiw

[DMC]

Interesting note: Stephen Curry is shooting almost the exact same percentage from 3 as Danny Green, at just under 39%.

[irishock]

Well I got banned from RealGM for 'trolling'. One of the GSW-homer mods apparently couldn't take it anymore seeing how I keep bashing Curry for being a brick artist, and the fact that he'll never win a championship playing that way :lol

[DMC]

Well I got banned from RealGM for 'trolling'. One of the GSW-homer mods apparently couldn't take it anymore seeing how I keep bashing Curry for being a brick artist, and the fact that he'll never win a championship playing that way :lol

The team's offensive scheme is in a state flux right now. David Lee is getting the lion's share of the points on many nights, but Steph is still jacking up crazy shots on the regular. He's got a undeserved swagger.. so what if he hit the most 3 pointers in the RS? Danny Green hit the most in the Finals and he's trade fodder imo. Curry has been struggling lately from 3. He could be returning to the mean or even worse if he's got a shooting form problem.

[RD2191]

:lmao

[Budkin]

:lmao Hero turned it over.

[Killakobe81]

DMC with plenty of ammo tonight, i cant lie.

[benefactor]

:lol 4-13 from distance

[DMC]

There's no reason one person should take 13 shots from 3, especially if he's missing most of them. I can see it if he hits 4 in a row and misses the 5th, hits 6, 7 and 8, then tries a few times to get another but 4-10 even is too many 3pt attempts (and that's normally more accurate since a lot of these come from end of quarter heaves).

[DMC]

Still, Curry had only 2 turnovers, one of them crucial, but that's an improvement. They need to work on moving the ball. If he can keep his turnovers down and the team can move the ball to the open shooter, I like their chances.

[DMC]

Steph is ranked 47th in the league in 3pt% but 1st in 3pt attempts. That's a problem. Steph is a better shooter than that, so his shot selection is poor, and there's a reason for that: Curry would be better suited at the 2 (though he's small) where he doesn't have to run the point. That's why Klay's shooting % is so much higher, he gets better looks. Steph needs to accept the difference between being open and having a good look.

[spurraider21]

i can't help but noticed the previous box score was ignored. cherry picking

[DMC]

i can't help but noticed the previous box score was ignored. cherry picking

They lost. If you need the box score to know Curry takes ill advised shots, you're not really interested in the truth.

[spurraider21]

It's funny, since you pretty much just post box scores and highlight the numbers you dislike. Then you criticize me for needing box scores :lol

[DMC]

It's funny, since you pretty much just post box scores and highlight the numbers you dislike. Then you criticize me for needing box scores :lol

I've already made my case, I'm providing evidence that box score people like you understand. As the season unfolds, have I been proven more right or more wrong?

Two facts you need to accept:

1. Curry takes the most 3's of anyone in the NBA
2. Curry is 47th in 3pt %

Shooting contested 28' 3s at a rate higher than anyone in the NBA and with 47th place results is the very definition of a chucker. It's like a batter who swings at every pitch, and he has the most strikeouts but the most homers as well. His on base percentage is very low, and he's hurting his team but he's boosting his individual HR numbers. Curry is boosting his PPG, but he's not helping the team by shooting 3s at that clip, and his % for as good of a shooter as he is, is indicative of poor shot selection and still deciding he's a better option at 28' than someone else at 18 or even at the rim.

Blame that on the coach, I have to an extent, but the PG is the decision maker on the floor, and it's not even volume of shots tbh but shot selection. If he was getting to the rim and took 25 a game, even if he missed a bunch of them, those are good shots to take. Chuckers don't seem have that "good shot to take" dialed in and their window is wide open.

[DMC]

STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
35
9-19
0-0
4-4
2
6
8
1
0
2
0
3
+17
22


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
36
3-7
0-1
2-2
0
3
3
3
1
2
2
1
+18
8


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
34
5-5
0-0
0-0
5
10
15
2
0
5
2
5
+12
10


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
38
10-22

2-9
6-6
1
5
6
8
4
0
0

2
+15
28


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
37
3-14
2-7
0-0
0
2
2
1
2
0
1
1
+14
8


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
11
2-5
0-0
3-3
0
2
2
0
0
1
0
2
-9
7


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
18
0-4
0-1
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
0
1
3
-7
0


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
16
1-1
0-0
2-4
0
3
3
0
0
1
0
3
-2
4


Jordan Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford), SG
13
4-6
2-3
0-0
2
0
2
1
0
0
2
0
-9
10


MarShon Brooks (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6428/marshon-brooks), SG
0
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
3
0-1
0-1
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
+1
0


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
DNP RIGHT WRIST SURGERY


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



37-84
6-22
17-19
10
33
43
17
7
11
8
20

97







Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
32
6-14
0-0
1-2
2
7
9
1
0
0
2
5
-1
13


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
30
1-8
0-3
0-2
2
1
3
2
2
0
0
0
+3
2


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
22
4-5
0-0
0-5
2
3
5
0
2
0
2
2
-2
8


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
38
11-18

6-10
9-11
2
1
3
11
3
0
7

2
-10
37


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
41
9-17
6-9
2-2
0
1
1
3
1
1
1
5
-6
26


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL

BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
14
4-4
1-1
4-6
2
3
5
0
0
0
0
4
-1
13


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
19
0-4
0-1
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
5
-12
0


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
26
3-4
1-1
3-6
2
3
5
3
1
0
0
4
-7
10


Jordan Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford), SG
15
3-4
2-2
0-0
0
1
1
2
0
0
2
2
-4
8


MarShon Brooks (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6428/marshon-brooks), SG
2
2-3
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
+5
4


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
2
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
0
1
0
1
0
+5
0


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
DNP RIGHT WRIST SURGERY


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



43-82
16-27
19-34
12
21
33
22
10
1
17
29

121

[DMC]

7 turnover game (even if he had 37pts and 11 assists) and they lost that game.

He took 10 3 point shots. He hit six, however he took 9 the next night and hit only 2. That's because he will continue chucking them up regardless of whether or not they are open. Also, he gets to the line at least once per game on a foul behind the 3pt line, so that shot attempt isn't counted.

[spurraider21]

18 fga to 11 assists though

[DMC]

18 fga to 11 assists though
Actually he had closer to 23 FGA but when he's fouled that FGA is erased.

[Expert]

Surely this is a foregone conclusion by now.

[spurraider21]

Why do you need a second account to agree with yourself?

[DMC]

I've got that account on my tablet and I'm too lazy to switch.

[Sybok]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
34
10-15
0-0
3-3
1
6
7
2
0
0
2
5
-3
23


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
33
6-9
1-3
3-5
0
5
5
2
1
0
2
2
0
16


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
32
4-5
0-0
0-0
3
8
11
1
0
7
0
5
-8
8


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
37

12-21
6-10
3-3
1
2
3
15
1
0
5

3
-3
33



Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
37
8-14
2-4
0-0
1
0
1
2
0
0
0
2
-10
18



BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
16
5-8
0-0
0-0
2
2
4
2
0
0
1
3
+7
10


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
23
1-7
0-2
0-0
0
3
3
0
0
1
3
1
+13
2


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
14
1-4
0-1
2-2
1
4
5
5
2
0
0
2
0
4


Jordan Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford), SG
15
2-6
0-2
2-2
0
2
2
2
0
0
1
3
-1
6


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP STRAINED LEFT HAMSTRING


MarShon Brooks (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6428/marshon-brooks), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



49-89
9-22
13-15
9
32
41
31
4
8
14
26

120



55.1%
40.9%
86.7%




Impressive stats for Curry, except for that 5 turnovers.

Losing by one point on a night when you turned the ball over 5 times must be painful. Not to mention you shoot 55% from the field and 41% from 3, 87% from the FT line and you lose. Why? Because they let the Wolves score 121 points in regulation.

I guess all that shaking out of the arms and that slack jawed swagger doesn't work so well on the defensive end. 15 assists is a good number, but look at the starters and how unbalanced the assists are based on minutes played, and compare that to the bench for assists vs minutes played. Even though the bench didn't play so well, they had good assist numbers and yet the starters appeared to be mostly one pass and a shot. Again, no ball movement. Gimmicky ass offense that shoots to often and doesn't play defense.

In the West you have OKC and SA that allows less than 100pts a game. All the other teams allow 100 or more (GS allows 99.9 so 100 for all intents and purposes). I don't think a team that allows 100+ points a game is going to have a cake walk through the playoffs, and GS will be lucky to even be in the playoffs. I think Mark Jackson's time is short.

[AchillesHeel]

Curry is not Kirby, he passed up the ball while being doubled on the last possession, Kirby would have airballed it like a boss.

[spurraider21]

This is becoming a witch-hunt tbh, just trying to find something wrong every game. Guy shoots 12-21 and puts up 15 assists yet you harp on turnovers, as if a 3:1 assist/turnover ratio is anything to scoff at

[spurraider21]

So expert was the account on your tablet. Which household device is logged into sybok? Your toaster?

[Bynumite]

So expert was the account on your tablet. Which household device is logged into sybok? Your toaster?

DMC is too old and faggot to realize he can log in multiple accounts using different web browsers instead of using multiple devices.

[RsxPiimp]

So expert was the account on your tablet. Which household device is logged into sybok? Your toaster?

:lmao

[irishock]

DMC is too old and faggot to realize he can log in multiple accounts using different web browsers instead of using multiple devices.

:lmao

[Sybok]

This is becoming a witch-hunt tbh, just trying to find something wrong every game. Guy shoots 12-21 and puts up 15 assists yet you harp on turnovers, as if a 3:1 assist/turnover ratio is anything to scoff at

I'm not sure you understand the term "witch hunt" if you think you can use it here. What's made evident through the course of this thread is that you don't really understand basketball. You're a stat watcher. You like the stats, but you don't really understand what they mean. That's because you don't watch the games.

[Sybok]

:lmao


:lmao

^obligatory approval emoticons from two faggots per the usual

[spurraider21]

^obligatory new troll account commenting on this thread to make it seem like more people agree with you than the actual figure

[DMC]

^obligatory new troll account commenting on this thread to make it seem like more people agree with you than the actual figure

Not a new account. I made it known which accounts I use. That's more than just about anyone else here would do. I logged into that one to fuck with Dale.

[DMC]

Good game by Curry tonight. I've watched the entire game and he's only take a couple questionable shots but he's been a terror to the guest team ever.

[HI-FI]

When did Sybok drop the new agey advice?

[DMC]

When did Sybok drop the new agey advice?

Come, walk with me. Your pain runs deep. Share that pain, and through that sharing gain strength. Come, let us repair ourselves to a more peaceful respite.

Unlike a few here, I get tired of a schtick after a while.

[Sybok]

Come, walk with me. Your pain runs deep. Share that pain, and through that sharing gain strength. Come, let us repair ourselves to a more peaceful respite.

Unlike a few here, I get tired of a schtick after a while.

No, YOUR pain runs deep. Share that pain with me with a couple nipple clamps you pot bellied stallion, you upright swayback, you glue factory reject.

[HI-FI]

:rollin :tu

[Killakobe81]

No, YOUR pain runs deep. Share that pain with me with a couple nipple clamps you pot bellied stallion, you upright swayback, you glue factory reject.

Sybock is a boss ... funny stuff.

[spurraider21]

i didn't watch the game, but i'll take DMC's word for it. the 8 assists/2 turnovers looks nice from a box score perspective

[DMC]

I was a projectionist at a theater in SA many years ago when that movie first came out so I saw it like 200 times. Unfortunately I also saw Pink Cadillac. I'd always hang out either on that Star Trek movie or Fletch Lives.

[DMC]

i didn't watch the game, but i'll take DMC's word for it. the 8 assists/2 turnovers looks nice from a box score perspective

He was good. Active hands, active on the break, drove the lane, got to the foul line. Should have had double digit assists but Lee and Iggy missed a couple right at the rim that were easy looks, Lee just got too fancy and Iggy just missed. Low turnovers but then Portland isn't noted for their ability to stop other players.

[spurraider21]

He was good. Active hands, active on the break, drove the lane, got to the foul line. Should have had double digit assists but Lee and Iggy missed a couple right at the rim that were easy looks, Lee just got too fancy and Iggy just missed. Low turnovers but then Portland isn't noted for their ability to stop other players.
good to hear. as you know, i'm a fan of the guy so i'm glad to hear he's making improvements. my question (since, like i said, i didn't catch today's game) is if you think his outside shooting opened things up. i see he had 8 three point attempts, which is quite a few (though he made a good number). from your observation, did the defense start overcompensating which opened up his drive game?

[DMC]

good to hear. as you know, i'm a fan of the guy so i'm glad to hear he's making improvements. my question (since, like i said, i didn't catch today's game) is if you think his outside shooting opened things up. i see he had 8 three point attempts, which is quite a few (though he made a good number). from your observation, did the defense start overcompensating which opened up his drive game?

As with every PG, you have to consider that their end of game stats feature at least one or two last second heaves. So remove those from the total to get the actual shooting percentage.

His outside shooting ABILITY opens things up because it keeps a defender right on him all the time. He didn't do a lot of things differently, he just hit some shots tonight and Portland let him get some good looks. I didn't see Mo Williams' stats but he appeared to be trying a bit to hard in the typical Mo Williams fashion. Lillard wasn't much better, shot more and hit less. They all shoot too often and out of rhythm, but Portland has gotten away with it most of the time. Tonight too many people were having a bad night on the Blazers and Steph was sighted in. Klay took more 3s than Steph, and most of them weren't even what I consider viable 3pt attempts. He was like 2 for 9. I don't mind 3s if they are what the defense is giving you, but tonight there were too many guys on both sides just throwing the ball at the rim. That's right up Steph's alley. Could you imagine him in the SSOL offense on that Suns team? He'd have 50 a game.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
32
2-10
0-0
7-10
1
4
5
1
0
0
3
2
-12
11


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
33
2-7
0-2
1-2
2
6
8
3
3
0
2
0
-8
5


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
29
2-3
0-0
0-0
2
12
14
2
0
3
2
3
-11
4


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
38
8-23

2-7
5-6
0
2
2
4
4
0
6
5
-9
23


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
40
5-17
3-9
0-0
0
6
6
4
2
1
3

3
+2
13


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
14
2-3
1-1
2-2
0
9
9
0
0
2
1
0
+3
7


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
23
2-4
1-2
0-0
0
0
0
3
2
0
0
1
+8
5


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
17
4-8
0-1
0-0
0
3
3
1
1
0
1
1
+9
8


Jordan Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford), SG
15
3-5
0-1
3-3
0
0
0
1
0
0
1
1
+5
9


Kent Bazemore (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6637/kent-bazemore), SG
0
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-2
0


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


MarShon Brooks (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6428/marshon-brooks), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



30-80
7-23
18-23
5
42
47
19
12
6
19
16

85



37.5%
30.4%
78.3%



Fast break points: 14
Points in the paint: 34
Total Team Turnovers (Points off turnovers): 19 (21



Not such a good night tonight for Steph's chucking ways. He regressed.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol that final shot attempt was fucking awful..

[HI-FI]

I was a projectionist at a theater in SA many years ago when that movie first came out so I saw it like 200 times. Unfortunately I also saw Pink Cadillac. I'd always hang out either on that Star Trek movie or Fletch Lives.

I actually relate to this. I was a projectionist at a single screen theater, so I couldn't even hide if the movie was shit. I'm a film guy so I loved working the old projector, two platters with the film slapped between the various sprockets. Best movie during my stint was Cable Guy, which I saw so many times that I started to mimic Jim Carrey until friends got pissed, but seeing it so many times it brainwashed me like how Sybok seeped through you. Shittiest film I recall was Flipper with Elijah Wood. There were some terrible family movies there that I can't remember. Terrible job except for working the projector.


Too bad Striptease was gone before I got there, I always wanted to cut a frame or two of Demi Moore showing them tatas.

[RD2191]

Curry is fucking garbage, him being an all star starter is fucking laughable. I really enjoyed all the tears by GS fans last year saying he got snubbed. Saying that TP shouldn't be in it. That Curry was way better than him. LOL. See playoffs.

[Venti Quattro]

Holy shit Klay is 3-20, but the Warriors are holding on

:lol Stephen Curry with 42
:lol almost half of the Dubs

spurraider21 come on here and :downspin: :downspin: this shit

[spurraider21]

Holy shit Klay is 3-20, but the Warriors are holding on

:lol Stephen Curry with 42
:lol almost half of the Dubs

spurraider21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) come on here and :downspin: :downspin: this shit
Inb4 OP comes in with one of his troll accounts to say that Curry's chucking took teammates like Klay out of their rhythm causing their poor shooting

[LkrFan]

Inb4 OP comes in with one of his troll accounts to say that Curry's chucking took teammates like Klay out of their rhythm causing their poor shooting
:lol

[LkrFan]

LOL... fucking overrated chucker
Steph Curry >>> TP >>> Tammy >>>>>>> The Red Rocket! Shhhh!

[LkrFan]

Maybe Curry wouldn't be overrated if he spent time working on his game besides shooting instead of thinking up new douchey regular-season celebrations, tbh.... in fact, that whole team is a bunch of regular-season overcelebrating faggots, tbh...
Steph Curry = All-Star starterPERI:lolD. CP0? Not so much. Shhhh!

[spurraider21]

To be fair I had work tonight and didn't watch the game. Dmc says he watches Warriors games so I'll have to ask if the box score is misleading. I'm not sure why he hasn't copy-pasted the box score of tonight's game yet. However I'm always accused of cherry picking games :lmao

[Venti Quattro]

Tbf I didn't watch the game too and Curry took 26 shots which is a lot for a point guard. However they'd be completely toast without his heroics because his splash brother (:lmao what a queer nickname :lmao) Klay shot in the Kobesque region.

[DMC]

You can certainly identify the nut riders. Thread hangs out for days with nary a response until Curry gets a big game against a powerhouse like the Jazz, and suddenly here's Sprayder arriving for worship service.

Curry had a good shooting night. Klay did not (lol). With David Lee benched and Klay shooting like shit, and almost zero defense from the Jazz, Curry's assists were low. Just another Kobe like performance against the Utah Raptors and just another LG.com like response from Sprayder the Nut Raider.

[DMC]

Steph Curry = All-Star starterPERI:lolD. CP0? Not so much. Shhhh!

So Kobe like even you are fooled.

[DMC]

To be fair I had work tonight and didn't watch the game. Dmc says he watches Warriors games so I'll have to ask if the box score is misleading. I'm not sure why he hasn't copy-pasted the box score of tonight's game yet. However I'm always accused of cherry picking games :lmao

You seem to never watch the games. Makes me wonder what evidence you use to disagree with the OP.

[gnsf0946]

A good game here and there don't change the fact he's a chucker, some of you acting like Kobe never had a good shooting night, or you think Kobe ain't a chucker?

[AchillesHeel]

A good game here and there don't change the fact he's a chucker, some of you acting like Kobe never had a good shooting night, or you think Kobe ain't a chucker?

When was Kirby efficient at chucking? At least Curry can chuck 7-8 threes a game on above 40% shooting from 3, Kirby could never do that for an entire season.

Point is that Curry's chucking wins a lot of games for GSW, his stats aren't meaningless. He's actually one of the greatest pure shooters ever, something that Kirby definitely isn't.

I'd be criticizing Steph for taking that many shots if the overall team was better, but the truth is that the Warriors aren't that good as a whole. Some of their guys are far too inconsistent and poor on the defensive end. Klay and David Lee allow so many points every single game, and when they're not hot on O they're negatives.

Curry averaged 27.5 ppg 4.0 rpg 8.1 apg 1.9 spg on 47/40/85 shooting in January.

[DMC]

When was Kirby efficient at chucking? At least Curry can chuck 7-8 threes a game on above 40% shooting from 3, Kirby could never do that for an entire season.

Point is that Curry's chucking wins a lot of games for GSW, his stats aren't meaningless. He's actually one of the greatest pure shooters ever, something that Kirby definitely isn't.

I'd be criticizing Steph for taking that many shots if the overall team was better, but the truth is that the Warriors aren't that good as a whole. Some of their guys are far too inconsistent and poor on the defensive end. Klay and David Lee allow so many points every single game, and when they're not hot on O they're negatives.

Curry averaged 27.5 ppg 4.0 rpg 8.1 apg 1.9 spg on 47/40/85 shooting in January.

You're indicating that you don't watch the games. You'd have to see the situations to see the chucking. You cannot always determine that by the box scores.

[AchillesHeel]

You're indicating that you don't watch the games. You'd have to see the situations to see the chucking. You cannot always determine that by the box scores.

I watch GSW play on the regular. I'm not saying that he isn't a chucker, I'm saying that he's an efficient chucker, unlike Kirby.

[DMC]

I watch GSW play on the regular. I'm not saying that he isn't a chucker, I'm saying that he's an efficient chucker, unlike Kirby.

You're not even saying he's a chucker. You're tap dancing around it.

[AchillesHeel]

You're not even saying he's a chucker. You're tap dancing around it.

He's an efficient chucker. He's not Kirby nor is he AI, he creates for his teammates while he also takes a lot of shots, but he hits a high % of those shots, in a lot of ways he's like KD. A great pure shooter with decent playmaking ability and sometimes questionable shot selection, but if he hits a high % of those shots, you can't hold it against him, can you?

Do you think KD is a chucker? He is very efficient, but when you look at his shot attempts, he just pulls up from the 3pt line and swishes it most of the time, do you hold it against him?

[DMC]

He's an efficient chucker. He's not Kirby nor is he AI, he creates for his teammates while he also takes a lot of shots, but he hits a high % of those shots, in a lot of ways he's like KD. A great pure shooter with decent playmaking ability and sometimes questionable shot selection, but if he hits a high % of those shots, you can't hold it against him, can you?

Do you think KD is a chucker? He is very efficient, but when you look at his shot attempts, he just pulls up from the 3pt line and swishes it most of the time, do you hold it against him?

KD isn't a point guard, he's not going to have the ball in his hands all of the time. Curry is a PG so he's always the 1st option if he chooses to be. A PG has to involve everyone else the other 4 stand around watching. You can often see that happening on offense, where guys just stand around watching the guy with the ball. Curry does it as much as anyone, no motion, no moving of the defense, just standing there staring like it's a time out. That translates to the defensive end as well. Sure Curry has assists, and they are so high because he typically dribbles the ball around and it's one pass and a shot. There's not a lot of ball movement on offense. I rarely see the defense get moved from one side of the floor to the other and the ball rarely comes around the horn, just across the paint to Klay if he's open or beneath to Lee.

Do you think Russell Westbrook is a chucker?

The offense is Chucker first then everyone else as a 3rd option behind Klay. Iggy shouldn't get as many shots as he does, he's not a good shooter.

Curry is a streaky shooter as well. He'll go cold and suddenly he's on fire and hitting everything. A lot of that coldness is shot selection. I like it that he's started attacking the rim more, and defenses cannot just fuck up and double him up top because he'll drag them out into deeper water and blow by them and suddenly the backup who's been left out near the top of the key needs back up and now you have Curry and two other Warriors free so it's a mini fastbreak and that's where he gets a lot of his assists and/or to the line. If he attacks, that's good. If he settles for a long 3 or turns it over when doubled, that's not good because that's what the defense wants.

[DAF86]

Curry averages 15.6 shots per game on his career, 18.6 this season (most ever in a season for him). Kobe for his career averages more shots per game (19.6) than Curry in his most trigger happy season, Bryant's biggest number for shots taken per game on a season is 27.2. Saying Curry gets to Kobe's level of chuckness is idiotic. Yes, Stephen will take a bad shot here and there (as well as almost any other star perimeter player in the league) but everybody that watches GS semi-regularly knows that he's not a chucker, definitely not on the level of the Kobe Bryants and Carmelo Anthonys of this World.

[AchillesHeel]

Curry averages 15.6 shots per game on his career, 18.6 this season (most ever in a season for him). Kobe for his career averages more shots per game (19.6) than Curry in his most trigger happy season, Bryant's biggest number for shots taken per game on a season is 27.2. Saying Curry gets to Kobe's level of chuckness is idiotic. Yes, Stephen will take a bad shot here and there (as well as almost any other star perimeter player in the league) but everybody that watches GS semi-regularly knows that he's not a chucker, definitely not on the level of the Kobe Bryants and Carmelo Anthonys of this World.

Summed it up better than I did. Everyone takes ill-advised shots. Lebron,KD,CP3 all do the same thing that Curry does, but to a lesser extent.

If he's making over 40% of his threes when taking over 8 a game, I don't see a problem with the volume. His TS% is near 60 and his AST% has gone up 10% from last year.

[DMC]

Curry averages 15.6 shots per game on his career, 18.6 this season (most ever in a season for him). Kobe for his career averages more shots per game (19.6) than Curry in his most trigger happy season, Bryant's biggest number for shots taken per game on a season is 27.2. Saying Curry gets to Kobe's level of chuckness is idiotic. Yes, Stephen will take a bad shot here and there (as well as almost any other star perimeter player in the league) but everybody that watches GS semi-regularly knows that he's not a chucker, definitely not on the level of the Kobe Bryants and Carmelo Anthonys of this World.

Curry leads the league in 3pt attempts yet he's 29th in 3pt%. Klay is 2nd in attempts and shoots just above Curry in %.

I've addressed the volume shooter vs chucker aspect. You're just going back down the same path without regard to it.

[DAF86]

Curry leads the league in 3pt attempts yet he's 29th in 3pt%. Klay is 2nd in attempts and shoots just above Curry in %.

I've addressed the volume shooter vs chucker aspect. You're just going back down the same path without regard to it.

I said I watch GS semi regularly and for me Curry is not a chucker.

[DMC]

I said I watch GS semi regularly and for me Curry is not a chucker.

Too bad he doesn't play for you.

[DAF86]

Too bad he doesn't play for you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

[DMC]

lol I like how you conveniently ignore the facts and just go with the eyeball test after you've shown stats.

[spurraider21]

You seem to never watch the games. Makes me wonder what evidence you use to disagree with the OP.
i watch when i can, but i'm not going to lie about how often i watch the warriors play

[DAF86]

lol I like how you conveniently ignore the facts and just go with the eyeball test after you've shown stats.

Well, 'cause if I bring up stats like I just did you will find a way to spin it any way you like it with eyeball test theories, so what's the point?

[DMC]

Well, 'cause if I bring up stats like I just did you will find a way to spin it any way you like it with eyeball test theories, so what's the point?

I've already covered the volume shooters. You basically differentiated between Kobe and Curry because of the volume shooting. Kobe's shots were primarily 2pt shots. He was never an elite 3pt shooter. He did chuck from out there, especially in crunch time situations, however he got most of his shots inside the arc and at the rim. Curry doesn't take a lot of shots inside the arc. This year he's averaging over 8 3pt shots a game and only 5 2pt shots. Kobe, on the other hand, even in years when he's led the league in scoring, took 1600 2pt shots, and only 324 3pt shots. So for that reason you cannot compare Steph's volume shooting to Kobe's. You also cannot dismiss a 3pt shot attempt as if it's the same as a layup attempt. It's not. It doesn't make the defense work unless you've moved the ball around and found the open shooter, and because of Steph's assist numbers, it's evident the ball only moves one time before the shot unless you think Steph is the only person on the team who can pass to an open shooter.

So your stats do not indicate anything you think they do. However, the fact that Steph takes the most 3pt shots in the league, and is barely in the top 30 in 3pt% is a telling stat. It says at least one of two possibilities is true: either Steph is taking unwise shots or he's not that good of a 3pt shooter. We both know he's a great 3pt shooter, so that leaves the shot selection.

[DMC]

i watch when i can, but i'm not going to lie about how often i watch the warriors play

But you will attempt to disagree with the points I make when I do watch the games. To be honest, you've not actually made any real rebuttals. You've done absolutely zero to disprove the OP assertion. You've been more focused on me than on Curry.

[spurraider21]

But you will attempt to disagree with the points I make when I do watch the games. To be honest, you've not actually made any real rebuttals. You've done absolutely zero to disprove the OP assertion. You've been more focused on me than on Curry.
you can go back and read the 22 pages and i've talked plenty about curry and his play style, so dont feed me that. i could be intellectually dishonest and tell you i watch games that i don't. i watch their games when i can, which i guess is not as often as you

[DMC]

you can go back and read the 22 pages and i've talked plenty about curry and his play style, so dont feed me that. i could be intellectually dishonest and tell you i watch games that i don't. i watch their games when i can, which i guess is not as often as you

Actually you haven't. I've laid out volumes of technical observations and you've just given quips.

[spurraider21]

half of this thread is you just not answering my simple questions

[DMC]

half of this thread is you just not answering my simple questions

Summarize the points you've made in this thread.

[spurraider21]

Summarize the points you've made in this thread.
do i look like fucking siri to you?

[DMC]

do i look like fucking siri to you?

It's not like I am asking you to tell me the best 5 PGs in the league. You cannot summarize so I'll do it for you:

"Nuh uh"

[spurraider21]

It's not like I am asking you to tell me the best 5 PGs in the league. You cannot summarize so I'll do it for you:

"Nuh uh"
If you thought you already knew the answer, why bother asking the question? The material was all there, you could find in on your own with some time investment. I can't search anywhere for "DMC's top 5 point guards" so the Siri thing doesn't apply there

[DMC]

If you thought you already knew the answer, why bother asking the question? The material was all there, you could find in on your own with some time investment. I can't search anywhere for "DMC's top 5 point guards" so the Siri thing doesn't apply there

You're just a philopolemic crab with nothing to offer the discussion.

[DMC]

hey, DMC. who are the top 5 point guards in the nba today?


If you thought you already knew the answer, why bother asking the question? The material was all there, you could find in on your own with some time investment. I can't search anywhere for "DMC's top 5 point guards" so the Siri thing doesn't apply there


You're just a philopolemic crab with nothing to offer the discussion.

You can see that you asked for the best 5 PGs in the league today. You later changed the question to ask for my personal favorites, but your original question is posted above.

Again, every time I challenge you to provide a rational, coherent synopsis of your position on this, you balk and instead go full on retard.

[spurraider21]

You can see that you asked for the best 5 PGs in the league today. You later changed the question to ask for my personal favorites, but your original question is posted above.

Again, every time I challenge you to provide a rational, coherent synopsis of your position on this, you balk and instead go full on retard.
there is no objective "top 5 point guards in the league" so the two questions are the same. i didn't ask for your "favorites" i asked you who the 5 best were

i dont need to give you a synopsis. its a big thread. look around.

[DMC]

there is no objective "top 5 point guards in the league" so the two questions are the same. i didn't ask for your "favorites" i asked you who the 5 best were

i dont need to give you a synopsis. its a big thread. look around.

^ more pointless bickering without taking a position

[spurraider21]

Either post all the box scores or none of them, otherwise it looks like you MIGHT be cherry picking games

[DMC]

Either post all the box scores or none of them, otherwise it looks like you MIGHT be cherry picking games

I didn't post the box score from the colossal fail they had a couple nights ago so your claim is already false.

[DMC]

Anyhow I've made my point and everyone is well aware of it now. Those who know basketball agree with me, and those who just latch onto players will cherry pick performances and box scores to suit their lust.

[spurraider21]

I watched the game last night. The only "bad shot" i really remember he took was when he took a crazy pull-up 3 with 30 seconds left in the first half, which was a Manu-esque 2 for 1 attempt. It happened to go in. did you watch the game?

[DMC]

I watched the game last night. The only "bad shot" i really remember he took was when he took a crazy pull-up 3 with 30 seconds left in the first half, which was a Manu-esque 2 for 1 attempt. It happened to go in. did you watch the game?

Then based on that game Stephen is doing exactly what he should be doing, and he's a statistical anomaly and will carry his team to the Finals.

[spurraider21]

Then based on that game Stephen is doing exactly what he should be doing, and he's a statistical anomaly and will carry his team to the Finals.
putting words in my mouth = making your point

[DMC]

putting words in my mouth = making your point

I've made my point very well in this thread. Now I hear pundits saying the same things (Warriors should play inside out, not rely on jump shooting, Curry is a good shooter but forces things and takes too many contested threes).

All you've done here is make benign quips that, if compiled into one summary, wouldn't make a discernible point.

[spurraider21]

no. all you've proven is that you can copy-paste espn.com box scores and highlight things in red when its convenient. either than or your typical useless banters about grammar/semantics that you were going off with to dodge simple questions for 2 pages

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
21
1-8
0-2
3-4
1
6
7
4
1
0
1
2
+1
5


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
23
4-5
0-0
0-0
1
5
6
0
0
1
4
4
+2
8


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
16
4-5
0-0
1-2
2
3
5
0
0
1
0
4
-10
9


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
28

2-10
1-5
0-0
0
3
3
5
0
0
5
0
-12
5


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
24
3-8
2-4
0-0
1
1
2
1
1
0
0
2
-18
8


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
21
4-11
0-0
3-5
2
4
6
0
2
2
2
2
-19
11


Hilton Armstrong (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2984/hilton-armstrong), PF
7
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
2
2
0
1
0
0
0
+8
0


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
9
2-6
0-1
2-2
0
4
4
0
0
1
0
2
+8
6


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
24
3-10
1-4
4-4
1
1
2
2
0
1
1
1
-2
11


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
15
0-5
0-1
0-0
1
1
2
1
1
0
0
4
-20
0


Steve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake), PG
27
2-5
0-1
0-0
0
0
0
2
0
1
0
4
-21
4


Jordan Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford), SG
25
5-10
1-3
5-5
0
2
2
2
0
0
3
2
-17
16


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



30-84
5-21
18-22
9
32
41
17
6
7
16
27

83



35.7%
23.8%
81.8%




Just saying.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
27
2-10
0-3
0-0
1
1
2
2
0
1
2
0
-4
4


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
29
1-5
0-0
2-4
2
5
7
4
1
1
1
6
-5
4


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
27
6-8
0-0
4-6
2
8
10
2
0
3
0
4
+4
16


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
36
6-15

3-9
4-5
3
5
8
9
0
0
4
0
-2
19


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
29
8-12
2-3
1-1
0
3
3
2
0
0
3
1
-7
19


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
8
1-4
0-0
2-2
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
1
+6
4


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
28
4-8
2-3
1-2
2
3
5
4
0
1
0
2
+17
11


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
20
3-4
0-0
0-0
1
4
5
1
2
1
1
4
+8
6


Steve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake), PG
17
2-5
2-5
0-0
0
1
1
2
0
0
2
1
+17
6


Jordan Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford), SG
18
5-11
4-8
1-2
0
2
2
1
0
0
0
0
+6
15


Hilton Armstrong (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2984/hilton-armstrong), PF
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



38-82
13-31
15-22
11
33
44
27
3
7
13
19

104



46.3%
41.9%
68.2%



This was the previous game. The press said he had an "off game". Let's see how they spin tonight's performance. I didn't think this performance was that bad.

[MeloHype]

:lmao

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
44
4-8
0-3
0-0
1
10
11
6
4
1
0
4
+8
8


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
38

5-16
0-2
8-10
4
6
10
2
3
0
0
4
+14
18


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o%27neal), C
34

10-13
0-0
3-3
5
8
13
0
0
0
3
0
+12
23


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
32

7-13
3-4
0-0
0
5
5
8
2
0
2
2
+12
17


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
30
3-10
0-2
0-0
0
6
6
3
2

1
1
5
+19
6


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
8
3-4
0-0
0-0
1
0
1
0
0
2
1
1
-2
6


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
20
1-7
0-1
1-2
1
1
2
1
0
0
1
4
-12
3


Steve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake), PG
16
2-4
2-3
0-0
0
1
1
5
1
0
0
1
-7
6


Jordan Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford), SG
19
2-10
1-5
1-2
0
1
1
1
0
0
2
1
-9
6


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
DNP STOMACH ILLNESS


Hilton Armstrong (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2984/hilton-armstrong), PF
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



37-85
6-20
13-17
12
38
50
26
12
4
10
22

93




The presser says Steph and Green pushed the Warriors to the win. JO looks like he did more. Why no love?

[irishock]

:wow :wow :lmao

[spurraider21]

what about his performance in the OT win against Houston?

has had some off shooting nights, particularly against the Bulls yesterday. but going 2-10 or even 6-15 doesn't really scream "chucker" like OP indicates, considering they went along with 5 and 9 assists, respectively. a chucker would take too many shots, and too many bad shots to the detriment of his team. a team's #1 option taking 10 or 15 shots isn't exactly shooting them out of a game.

he has by in large been playing better since his poor start to the year, and has his shooting figures up to more respectable levels (46% from the field, over 41% from 3). the main concern with Curry at the moment is his turnovers, not his chucking

[DMC]

what about his performance in the OT win against Houston?

has had some off shooting nights, particularly against the Bulls yesterday. but going 2-10 or even 6-15 doesn't really scream "chucker" like OP indicates, considering they went along with 5 and 9 assists, respectively. a chucker would take too many shots, and too many bad shots to the detriment of his team. a team's #1 option taking 10 or 15 shots isn't exactly shooting them out of a game.

he has by in large been playing better since his poor start to the year, and has his shooting figures up to more respectable levels (46% from the field, over 41% from 3). the main concern with Curry at the moment is his turnovers, not his chucking

I've already shown you that volume shooting and chucking are two different things.

[spurraider21]

If everyone is standing around watching Curry shoot, what happens when Curry cannot hit a shot? Oh that's right, the team isn't prepared for that because they are riding Curry's chucking just as the Lakers rode Kobe's win or lose.
this is the crux of your argument yet they are 14-7 this year when Curry shoots 40% from the field or worse

[DMC]

this is the crux of your argument yet they are 14-7 this year when Curry shoots 40% from the field or worse


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SPLITS
GP
MPG
FG%
RPG
APG
BLKPG
STPG
PFPG
PPG


Last 10 Games
10
35.8
.497
3.7
8.0
0.0
0.8
2.2
21.0


February
10
35.9
.497
3.7
8.0
0.0
0.8
2.2
21.0


In Wins
35
36.3
.463
4.7
9.1

0.3
1.8
2.5
22.0


In Losses
20
39.2
.455
3.7
8.4
0.1
1.4
2.9
27.1

[DMC]

Total 3-point Field Goals Attempted Leaders - All Players





PER GAME
TOTAL

ADJ


RK
PLAYER
TEAM
GP (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/gamesPlayed)
PPG (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/avgPoints)
3PM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsMade)
3PA (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted)
3PM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalsMade)
3PA (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalsAttempted/order/false)
3P% (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct)
2PM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/twoPointFieldGoalsMade)
2PA (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/twoPointFieldGoalsAttempted)
2P% (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/twoPointFieldGoalPct)
PPS (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/scoringEfficiency)
FG% (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/shootingEfficiency)


1

Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
GS

55
23.8
3.3
8
184
442

.416
269
543
.495
1.33
.553


2
Damian Lillard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard), PG
POR
58
21.2
2.8
7
163
399
.409
241
536
.450
1.32
.519


3
Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
GS
58
17.8
2.7
7
157
388
.405
230
509
.452
1.15
.519


4
Jamal Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/165/jamal-crawford), SG
LAC
60
19.0
2.4
6
142
385
.369
235
508
.463
1.27
.502


5
Paul George (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4251/paul-george), SF
IND
56
22.7
2.4
6
136
358
.380
294
620
.474
1.30
.509


6
Wesley Matthews (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4032/wesley-matthews), SG
POR
58
16.6
2.5
6
145
357
.406
179
366
.489
1.33
.548


7
Gerald Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2761/gerald-green), SG
PHX
57
14.9
2.3
6
133
354
.376
167
326
.512
1.25
.539


8
Kyle Lowry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry), PG
TOR
57
16.9
2.4
6
134
352
.381
176
378
.466
1.32
.516


9
Kevin Love (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love), PF
MIN
54
26.6
2.4
6
130
342
.380
334
659
.507
1.43
.528


10
Jameer Nelson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2439/jameer-nelson), PG
ORL
55
12.4
2.1
6
117
325
.360
126
290
.434
1.11
.490

[spurraider21]

^

I've already shown you that volume shooting and chucking are two different things.

[spurraider21]

SPLITS
GP
MPG
FG%
RPG
APG
BLKPG
STPG
PFPG
PPG


Last 10 Games
10
35.8
.497
3.7
8.0
0.0
0.8
2.2
21.0


February
10
35.9
.497
3.7
8.0
0.0
0.8
2.2
21.0


In Wins
35
36.3
.463
4.7
9.1
0.3
1.8
2.5
22.0


In Losses
20
39.2
.455
3.7
8.4
0.1
1.4
2.9
27.1



yeah that 0.8% difference and 0.7 assists is the game changer

[Clipper Nation]

The Doctor! doing work in this thread, tbh :toast

[spurraider21]

^hasn't he routinely said he isn't a doctor?

[spurraider21]

Klay Thompson's splits:


In wins
35
36.0
7.0-15.7
.448
2.9-6.7
.438
1.8-2.2
.795
0.5
2.8
3.3
2.6
0.5
1.1
2.6
1.6
18.8


In losses
23
38.5
6.1-15.1
.405
2.3-6.7
.353
1.7-2.2
.800
0.4
2.3
2.7
2.2
0.5
1.0
3.4
2.0
16.



David Lee's:


In wins
31
34.1
8.3-15.2
.545
0.0-0.0
.000
3.4-4.0
.847
2.8
7.2
10.1
2.5
0.5
0.7
2.7
2.4
19.9


In losses
22
34.1
6.5-14.1
.465
0.0-0.0
.000
4.4-5.9
.746
2.7
6.7
9.4
1.6
0.3
0.6
3.3
2.2
17.5

[spurraider21]

those differences are much more significant than any of Curry's splits. those lower FG% numbers might explain Curry's mild assist decrease you pointed out

[sook]

Any team trying to build a contender around Curry as a first option is doomed to fail. The guy is a 3rd fiddle at best.

[spurraider21]

Any team trying to build a contender around Curry as a first option is doomed to fail. The guy is a 3rd fiddle at best.
name the legit first options that you can build a contender around in today's NBA

[DMC]

It's not that he takes a lot of shots, but that his shots are all outside the arc.


^

[DMC]

yeah that 0.8% difference and 0.7 assists is the game changer

The fact that in games he loses he scores more points and had fewer assists supports my assertion that his chucking takes the rest of the team out of the game.

[DMC]

^hasn't he routinely said he isn't a doctor?Philo^

[DMC]

Klay Thompson's splits:


In wins
35
36.0
7.0-15.7
.448
2.9-6.7
.438
1.8-2.2
.795
0.5
2.8
3.3
2.6
0.5
1.1
2.6
1.6
18.8


In losses
23
38.5
6.1-15.1
.405
2.3-6.7
.353
1.7-2.2
.800
0.4
2.3
2.7
2.2
0.5
1.0
3.4
2.0
16.



David Lee's:


In wins
31
34.1
8.3-15.2
.545
0.0-0.0
.000
3.4-4.0
.847
2.8
7.2
10.1
2.5
0.5
0.7
2.7
2.4
19.9


In losses
22
34.1
6.5-14.1
.465
0.0-0.0
.000
4.4-5.9
.746
2.7
6.7
9.4
1.6
0.3
0.6
3.3
2.2
17.5






Evidence that the team's successes and failures follow the rest of the team's offensive performance, not Stephs.

[Rogue]

low assist numbers don't necessarily mean the PG is unwilling to pass imho. It's also possible that his teammates couldn't hit their shots.

[spurraider21]

Evidence that the team's successes and failures follow the rest of the team's offensive performance, not Stephs.
Make up your mind. Blaming Curry's offense for their wins/losses then saying his teammates performance weighs more heavily is playing both sides. I was just refuting your comment which I quoted above. You said that due to curry's chucking ways they can't win if he has an off night, yet you just said their winning/losing hinges on the cast

[spurraider21]

low assist numbers don't necessarily mean the PG is unwilling to pass imho. It's also possible that his teammates couldn't hit their shots.
Which is perfectly reflected by Klay's/Lee's lower percentages in losses

[DMC]

Make up your mind. Blaming Curry's offense for their wins/losses then saying his teammates performance weighs more heavily is playing both sides.

No it's not. When Curry is taking a lot of shots, his team suffers thus the losses. When he's more of a distributor his team does better, thus the wins. The fact that his teammates' scoring averages are directly proportional to the wins while Curry's is inversely proportional is evidence of that, strong evidence in fact. Some of that could be lack of production despite the same amount of distribution, however that's not what the stats show.

I was just refuting your comment which I quoted above. You said that due to curry's chucking ways they can't win if he has an off night, yet you just said their winning/losing hinges on the cast What I said is true. When Curry takes a high volume of shots and has an off night, his team will most likely lose, however it has more to do with the fact that others aren't involved on the offensive end than with the fact that he's missing shots.

[DMC]

low assist numbers don't necessarily mean the PG is unwilling to pass imho. It's also possible that his teammates couldn't hit their shots.

That doesn't explain Curry's higher PPG average in losses than in wins. Are you suggesting he stops passing if his teammates miss a few times?
It could also be that teams allow Curry to shoot and play better inside defense in those games, but the stats don't indicate that. Show stats that do and I'll reconsider.

[DMC]

Tony Parker
Chris Paul
Kyrie Irving

All have a lower PPG average in losses than in wins.

Steph, Kobe and Lillard all have higher PPG averages in losses than in wins.

Lilard is on a jump shooting team. His shooting averages are higher during losses than during wins, which means he's being the primary scorer on the team during those times. Kobe is just a chucker, oddly you probably have no qualms with consider that in games where Kobe scores 40pts they most often lose.

[spurraider21]

No it's not. When Curry is taking a lot of shots, his team suffers thus the losses. When he's more of a distributor his team does better, thus the wins. The fact that his teammates' scoring averages are directly proportional to the wins while Curry's is inversely proportional is evidence of that, strong evidence in fact. Some of that could be lack of production despite the same amount of distribution, however that's not what the stats show.
What I said is true. When Curry takes a high volume of shots and has an off night, his team will most likely lose, however it has more to do with the fact that others aren't involved on the offensive end than with the fact that he's missing shots.
His assist numbers (the primary measure of a point guards distribution) are off by less than 1 in their win/loss splits. Maybe if Lee/Thompson weren't shooting significantly worse in those games, the assist numbers would even out if not even surpass the numbers we observe in wins

[DMC]

His assist numbers (the primary measure of a point guards distribution) are off by less than 1 in their win/loss splits. Maybe if Lee/Thompson weren't shooting significantly worse in those games, the assist numbers would even out if not even surpass the numbers we observe in wins

Explain the higher PPG


Also, assist numbers are overrated. Teams that have good ball movement and who look for the open shooter often share points and assists because the open shooter isn't always one pass away from the PG. If the ball is sticking with Curry and he's only dumping off when he's out of scoring options, that explains the points discrepancy and his assists. Some assists are always going to come on backdoor cuts at the beginning of the shot clock so no extra passes are necessary, and the odds are always that the PG will have the ball then, however that's not what's happening in GS.

[Rogue]

That doesn't explain Curry's higher PPG average in losses than in wins. Are you suggesting he stops passing if his teammates miss a few times?
It could also be that teams allow Curry to shoot and play better inside defense in those games, but the stats don't indicate that. Show stats that do and I'll reconsider.
I've shown you tons of evidence about the existence of the "force" which is generated by rotation (the change of acceleration as a vector) and moves things in the vertical direction, but you never give a shit. People like you are too stubborn and arrogant to listen carefully to what other people say, DMC, I know a lot of such people at school and you ain't no different.

[DMC]

I've shown you tons of evidence about the existence of the "force" which is generated by rotation (the change of acceleration as a vector) and moves things in the vertical direction, but you never give a shit. People like you are too stubborn and arrogant to listen carefully to what other people say, DMC, I know a lot of such people at school and you ain't no different. I am a pirate among men but a prince among pirates.

[Rogue]

I am a pirate among men but a prince among pirates.
kinda agree, those true "pirates" would spend all their time in labs, flying between continents attending conferences one after another. I'm sure as hell that none of them would bother to spend that much time posting on a message board quarreling with uneducated dumbfucks imho.

[spurraider21]

Explain the higher PPG


Also, assist numbers are overrated. Teams that have good ball movement and who look for the open shooter often share points and assists because the open shooter isn't always one pass away from the PG. If the ball is sticking with Curry and he's only dumping off when he's out of scoring options, that explains the points discrepancy and his assists. Some assists are always going to come on backdoor cuts at the beginning of the shot clock so no extra passes are necessary, and the odds are always that the PG will have the ball then, however that's not what's happening in GS.
you're a joke. you conveniently and specifically highlighted Curry's assist numbers in the W/L splits but now post a soliloquy about how assist numbers aren't accurate...

[spurraider21]

Tony Parker
Chris Paul
Kyrie Irving

All have a lower PPG average in losses than in wins.

Steph, Kobe and Lillard all have higher PPG averages in losses than in wins.

Lilard is on a jump shooting team. His shooting averages are higher during losses than during wins, which means he's being the primary scorer on the team during those times. Kobe is just a chucker, oddly you probably have no qualms with consider that in games where Kobe scores 40pts they most often lose.
you imply that i am advocating Curry should shoot more or score 40 points per game. i think the balance he has right now is fine. he's the most dangerous scorer on his team, but he has shown no reservations when it comes to setting up teammates or distributing the ball.

when it comes to win/losses, the splits clearly demonstrate that Klay and Lee both struggle mightily during their losses despite getting roughly as many shots as they do in their wins. perhaps if those guys weren't efficient, there would be less of an onus on Curry to take it upon himself to score so much in those losses. you might be confusing the cause for effect.

suggesting that the warriors lose because curry is shooting more is removing the possibility that Curry is shouldering the scoring load more in losses because the two secondary scorers struggle in those games

[spurraider21]

Interesting... curry's assist numbers look better on a night where Klay is hitting spot up shots :wow

if klay was 6-18 and curry had 4 less assists you'd be shitting on him

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
24
4-6
0-0
2-2
4
2
6
0
2
1
2
2
+23
10


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SF
26
2-8
0-2
3-5
0
5
5
3
3
0
0
1
+16
7


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
12
3-3
0-0
0-1
1
6
7
1
0
0
1
5
+6
6


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
30
9-19
5-11
4-4
2
9
11
11
0
1
4
2
+19
27


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
29
9-17
5-10
2-3
0
3
3
1
1
0
0
1
+15
25


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
8
3-6
0-0
4-5
1
0
1
0
0
0
0
1
-1
10


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
25
3-7
1-3
2-2
0
4
4
2
0
0
2
2
0
9


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
21
2-6
1-1
0-0
1
1
2
1
2
1
0
1
+10
5


Jermaine O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/615/jermaine-o'neal), C
20
6-8
0-0
3-5
2
4
6
0
0
1
2
4
+8
15


Steve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake), PG
17
2-5
2-4
0-0
1
2
3
4
1
0
0
1
+4
6


Jordan Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford), SG
16
0-4
0-3
1-1
0
1
1
2
1
0
4
1
+4
1





still 3 mins left to play

[MeloHype]

Its vs the knicks , who gives a shit?

[spurraider21]

It's not the point. We all know he's productive and can score. The topic of this thread is whether he is a chucker to the detriment of his team (as DMC argues) or not. Regardless of opponent, we are tracking for habits/tendencies

[DMC]

It's not the point. We all know he's productive and can score. The topic of this thread is whether he is a chucker to the detriment of his team (as DMC argues) or not. Regardless of opponent, we are tracking for habits/tendencies

He is a chucker to the detriment of his team, but that's not all on Curry. It's on Mark and how the offense is run. Curry does have options however, he's just not good enough at the PG position to utilize them as well as he could. He either shoots or passes to a guy who most often shoots. His passes are almost never to set up a play or to move the defense.

I've laid all that out here quite clearly already, no need to go back over it. Philo up there hasn't offered any defense except to deny. If he's studying to be legal counsel, he needs to focus more on semantics and critical thinking instead of the lazy approach he's used so far.

[DMC]

you're a joke. you conveniently and specifically highlighted Curry's assist numbers in the W/L splits but now post a soliloquy about how assist numbers aren't accurate...

You'd be destroyed in court. Curry's assist numbers are still assists, they just don't mean he's moving the ball around. They mean he's out of options and dumping it off. If he's scoring more and assisting less, he's not even doing that. Come on counsel, get your shit together.

You never did address the PPG discrepancy. That's a huge piece of evidence you cannot casually dismiss.

[DMC]

you imply that i am advocating Curry should shoot more or score 40 points per game. i think the balance he has right now is fine. he's the most dangerous scorer on his team, but he has shown no reservations when it comes to setting up teammates or distributing the ball.
Oh he's the most dangerous scorer... since when he scores more points, they lose, and when he scores fewer points, they win. That seems to be a detriment to his own team more than to the opposition.



when it comes to win/losses, the splits clearly demonstrate that Klay and Lee both struggle mightily during their losses despite getting roughly as many shots as they do in their wins. perhaps if those guys weren't efficient, there would be less of an onus on Curry to take it upon himself to score so much in those losses. you might be confusing the cause for effect.

What you are suggesting, again, is that the PG loses faith in his teammates and starts to what? Chuck? Why isn't this true for Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Kyrie Irving?


Suggesting that the warriors lose because curry is shooting more is removing the possibility that Curry is shouldering the scoring load more in losses because the two secondary scorers struggle in those gamesAgain... Why does the team lose when Curry scores more points? What are the odds everyone else on the team is struggling, but not Curry? Why don't the best shooters on every team have the same statistical results in PPG vs W/L?

[DMC]

kinda agree, those true "pirates" would spend all their time in labs, flying between continents attending conferences one after another. I'm sure as hell that none of them would bother to spend that much time posting on a message board quarreling with uneducated dumbfucks imho.

Unless there's a true gem here like yourself who makes it worth their while.

[spurraider21]

You act like I'm not making points yet that's what each of my posts have done. I care much less about semantics on an Internet forum than I would in a professional environment.

You brush off the assist totals as irrelevant when convenient but tried to get clever by highlighting his marginal assist decrease when pulling up his W/L splits. If you thought they were irrelevant, you wouldn't have specifically highlighted those figures. Now you are backtracking with your assists don't matter shenanigans.

I also have addressed the discrepancy in more than one post. Since you seem simple, I can reiterate yet again. His teammates, particularly David Lee and Klay Thompson (those 3 are the main sources of GS offense) have had significant struggles in their losses, evidenced my the very large decrease in FG% in their splits. When teammates can't hit shots, the onus is on Curry to make sure they get points however they can, so he presses. His shooting% isn't even a full % lower in any case.

I also brought up the point that you are confusing the cause and effect in the scoring figures. They aren't necessarily losing because he is scoring more, but rather he is pressured to score points when they are losing and his main partners in crime are struggling to score. Alternately, like we have seen with the spurs, many times in blowout wins we have a collection of guys chipping in 10-15 points rather than having one or two dominant scorers. Do we win because nobody is particular is putting up big figures, or rather, are the minutes/shots getting distributed due to the comfortable lead that is held throughout the game?

these are points I had made before that you seem to ignore just so you can bullshit me with your "you haven't made an argument" shtick. you would get shredded in court since there is a stenographer typing up every word spoken in the courtroom. You are like an attorney that snoozed during the trial and tells the jury "the other guy didn't prove anything!"

[spurraider21]

You'd be destroyed in court. Curry's assist numbers are still assists, they just don't mean he's moving the ball around. They mean he's out of options and dumping it off.

start at 2:24 after all the intro mumbo jumbo, and take a good look at all those assists, er, i mean those times he was out of options and dumped it off


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8njvfMPjYpM

:lmao

[spurraider21]

also, sook i'm still waiting for that list of players that can be legit #1's on contending teams in today's NBA

[Calispursfan11]

start at 2:24 after all the intro mumbo jumbo, and take a good look at all those assists, er, i mean those times he was out of options and dumped it off


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8njvfMPjYpM

:lmao

Looks like legit playmaking to me tbh

[DMC]

Sure, take one game and pretend that's the norm. No one ever thought of that.

[Calispursfan11]

I wasn't saying its the norm. I said the video looked like he made some solid plays in that one game. Is someone equating this to the norm? I just can't say as I haven't seen him play much this year. I saw him stink up the 3 point contest but other than that, not much to go on...

[DMC]

You act like I'm not making points yet that's what each of my posts have done. I care much less about semantics on an Internet forum than I would in a professional environment.
That's always the excuse for being sloppy. You've spent hours in this thread alone, and yet you pretend it's not important enough for you to clearly lay out your thoughts in a concise manner. Instead, you slop it on because, in my opinion, you have no other option.


You brush off the assist totals as irrelevant when convenient but tried to get clever by highlighting his marginal assist decrease when pulling up his W/L splits. If you thought they were irrelevant, you wouldn't have specifically highlighted those figures. Now you are backtracking with your assists don't matter shenanigans.

Not irrelevant, but not as indicative of a distributing PG as you make it out to be. If I was talking about two different people, then using the assists as an indicator would be fallacious based on my argument, however since the PG isn't variable, the assists have the same numerical value ergo a lower number vs a higher number, in light of the W/L and points is indeed notable. I don't expect you to get that though, because you're superficial understanding of the game won't allow it... yet.


I also have addressed the discrepancy in more than one post. Since you seem simple, I can reiterate yet again. His teammates, particularly David Lee and Klay Thompson (those 3 are the main sources of GS offense) have had significant struggles in their losses, evidenced my the very large decrease in FG% in their splits. When teammates can't hit shots, the onus is on Curry to make sure they get points however they can, so he presses. His shooting% isn't even a full % lower in any case. The "struggles" angle breaks down if you consider other teams' PGs that don't have higher scoring numbers in losses than wins, unless you think only GS experiences scoring slumps that somehow don't affect the PG. What about when Curry has a scoring slump? Those games where he has poor shooting and yet the team wins? Don't you think that affects the point differential of the W/L? Or do you think Curry has the ability to average 27ppg at will?

You do like to ignore the real questions and cherry pick the ones you think you have solved. You haven't solved anything, btw...




I also brought up the point that you are confusing the cause and effect in the scoring figures. They aren't necessarily losing because he is scoring more, but rather he is pressured to score points when they are losing and his main partners in crime are struggling to score. Alternately, like we have seen with the spurs, many times in blowout wins we have a collection of guys chipping in 10-15 points rather than having one or two dominant scorers. Do we win because nobody is particular is putting up big figures, or rather, are the minutes/shots getting distributed due to the comfortable lead that is held throughout the game?

What stats support your take? The Spurs share points and assists because they move the ball. It has little to do with blowout wins.


these are points I had made before that you seem to ignore just so you can bullshit me with your "you haven't made an argument" shtick. you would get shredded in court since there is a stenographer typing up every word spoken in the courtroom. You are like an attorney that snoozed during the trial and tells the jury "the other guy didn't prove anything!"
If you've made an argument, I've not seen it. What I have seen from you is unsupported conjecture that's easily defeated.

[DMC]

I wasn't saying its the norm. I said the video looked like he made some solid plays in that one game. Is someone equating this to the norm? I just can't say as I haven't seen him play much this year. I saw him stink up the 3 point contest but other than that, not much to go on...

You just quoted the video, you didn't post it. Ergo I wasn't referring to your post.

[Calispursfan11]

That's always the excuse for being sloppy. You've spent hours in this thread alone, and yet you pretend it's not important enough for you to clearly lay out your thoughts in a concise manner. Instead, you slop it on because, in my opinion, you have no other option.

Not irrelevant, but not as indicative of a distributing PG as you make it out to be. If I was talking about two different people, then using the assists as an indicator would be fallacious based on my argument, however since the PG isn't variable, the assists have the same numerical value ergo a lower number vs a higher number, in light of the W/L and points is indeed notable. I don't expect you to get that though, because you're superficial understanding of the game won't allow it... yet.
The "struggles" angle breaks down if you consider other teams' PGs that don't have higher scoring numbers in losses than wins, unless you think only GS experiences scoring slumps that somehow don't affect the PG. What about when Curry has a scoring slump? Those games where he has poor shooting and yet the team wins? Don't you think that affects the point differential of the W/L? Or do you think Curry has the ability to average 27ppg at will?

You do like to ignore the real questions and cherry pick the ones you think you have solved. You haven't solved anything, btw...

What stats support your take? The Spurs share points and assists because they move the ball. It has little to do with blowout wins.

If you've made an argument, I've not seen it. What I have seen from you is unsupported conjecture that's easily defeated.

Is assraider really worth this kind of effort 'ol sport?

[DMC]

Is assraider really worth this kind of effort 'ol sport?

Most of the conversation on this forum is about obvious things. What I've pointed out wasn't obvious to a lot of people, and in fact only recently have the pundits come on board with my takes on this. People get enamored with the shooting ability of Curry and grant a pass on the detrimental aspects of his game. Even in that video Curry takes long 3pt shots over 2 defenders with a wide open shooter on the wing that he ignores. You don't grant a pass to a guy because he hits some of those. That's chucking at its finest.

[spurraider21]

You have yet to show evidence of his assists usually comprising of last second dump offs, yet you boldly make that claim. I have shown you one game, you have shown be none, yet I'm supposed to believe that the onus is on me to provide further evidence? You always tell me (and I would agree) that the box scores don't tell the whole story, yet literally all you do is wait for some bad games and post box scores. I have addressed Curry's scoring discrepancy about 3-4 times now yet you keep asking me to. I'm not going to continue to run around with circles. You still bring up the moderate assist differential when the numbers very clearly show that in their losing efforts , both Lee and Thompson shoot considerably lower percentages. You seemingly aren't able to connect the dots that when players have poor shooting nights, a point guard's assist numbers will likely take a hit

[Calispursfan11]

You have yet to show evidence of his assists usually comprising of last second dump offs, yet you boldly make that claim. I have shown you one game, you have shown be none, yet I'm supposed to believe that the onus is on me to provide further evidence? You always tell me (and I would agree) that the box scores don't tell the whole story, yet literally all you do is wait for some bad games and post box scores. I have addressed Curry's scoring discrepancy about 3-4 times now yet you keep asking me to. I'm not going to continue to run around with circles. You still bring up the moderate assist differential when the numbers very clearly show that in their losing efforts , both Lee and Thompson shoot considerably lower percentages. You seemingly aren't able to connect the dots that when players have poor shooting nights, a point guard's assist numbers will likely take a hit

Them fighting words raider! Will DMC respond or give up?

[spurraider21]

That's always the excuse for being sloppy. You've spent hours in this thread alone, and yet you pretend it's not important enough for you to clearly lay out your thoughts in a concise manner.
I have spent hours on this thread. I never said it's not important. I just shouldn't I couldn't give less shits about semantics on an Internet forum. Those are independent facts.

Fucking is important to me too but I'm not speaking in full, coherent sentences then either

[spurraider21]

Them fighting words raider! Will DMC respond or give up?
He won't give up. He has a passion for arguing. Do you not know DMC?

[Calispursfan11]

He won't give up. He has a passion for arguing. Do you not know DMC?

Let's see how long you can string him along. That would be entertaining. The two of you have developed one of the landmark feuds of early 2014.

[spurraider21]

I'm not really trying to string him along. An irrational urge to argue is a trait we share

[Calispursfan11]

I'm not really trying to string him along. An irrational urge to argue is a trait we share

In all honesty, let it go, raider. Unless it brings you joy, let it go. If you can do that, you win. Giving him the last flawed word shows all of us that you are the bigger man and he was the butthurt try hard.

[spurraider21]

I'm having fun here so it's all good

[DMC]

You have yet to show evidence of his assists usually comprising of last second dump offs, yet you boldly make that claim. I have shown you one game, you have shown be none, yet I'm supposed to believe that the onus is on me to provide further evidence? You always tell me (and I would agree) that the box scores don't tell the whole story, yet literally all you do is wait for some bad games and post box scores. I have addressed Curry's scoring discrepancy about 3-4 times now yet you keep asking me to. I'm not going to continue to run around with circles. You still bring up the moderate assist differential when the numbers very clearly show that in their losing efforts , both Lee and Thompson shoot considerably lower percentages. You seemingly aren't able to connect the dots that when players have poor shooting nights, a point guard's assist numbers will likely take a hit
The fact is that the shitty games from him aren't made into montages. You'd have to watch his game to know. If all I needed was a montage from some media source to show his flaws, I'd be trailing someone else who pointed it out already.

You've offered speculation to explain the PPG discrepancy, but you haven't found a way to weave that into the fabric of the NBA overall, with other teams. If what you're saying is true for GS, why isn't it true for other teams? Does everyone else never have bad shooting nights? Tony Parker goes into hero mode quite often when his teammates cannot put the ball in the hole, however his PPG is directly proportional to the team wins. Same is true for Kryie Irving and Chris Paul, and the same is true for other players on the GS roster.

So it's not about him compensating for his team's lack of scoring. Notice his averages are higher in losses than in wins. That doesn't reflect him taking on the scoring duties. Instead, it says he's having a hot scoring night and thus ignores his teammates more with heat checks and basic chucking exhibitions. Sure he scores more points and he's shooting fairly well, but they aren't involved so it's easier for an opponent to shut him down when it matters, and the other players on GS aren't into it now because they weren't involved for a long stretch. I mean, unless you think he can up his shooting percentage on a whim.

[spurraider21]

Your argument has been flip flopping. You originally said because of Curry's chucking ways, they will struggle when he has bad shooting nights, which is completely unreflected in the splits (unless you consider that 0.7% drop a bad shooting night). Then you acknowledged that his teammates performance played a bigger role, now you are saying they lose because he scores more. These 3 are radically different, and it's impossible to argue with somebody who is changing his mind. Just clarify which two of those comments you are rescinding an admitting were wrong, and which one you are sticking with for the time being

[DMC]

Kobe suffers from the same statistical discrepancies. His PPG is higher during losses than during wins. Even Russell Westbrook scored more points in wins than in losses.

[DMC]

Your argument has been flip flopping. You originally said because of Curry's chucking ways, they will struggle when he has bad shooting nights, which is completely unreflected in the splits (unless you consider that 0.7% drop a bad shooting night).If he's the focus on offense, it stands to reason that they will struggle if he's not on.
Then you acknowledged that his teammates performance played a bigger role Because they cannot go very far with him as the focus of their offense
, now you are saying they lose because he scores more.You really do lack the capacity for abstract thought. I'm saying the fact that he scores more says he's the focus of the offense.
These 3 are radically different, and it's impossible to argue with somebody who is changing his mind. I've had a consistent claim throughout this thread, but your cardboard thinking process doesn't allow you to see how the pieces fit. You've been conditioned to think that scoring = good always and you don't take into account what's happening with the other 4 members of the team, and you don't consider the other end of the floor.
Just clarify which two of those comments you are rescinding an admitting were wrong, and which one you are sticking with for the time beingI'm not rescinding anything. If you don't understand the game of basketball, which you obviously don't, why are you discussing it? Isn't it true that the only interest you have in this is defending Curry? You were doing that from the first page and had no idea how you were going to do it. I've given you the statistical anomalies that surround GS and shown you why they exist. You've not shown how your explanation can even work, since it doesn't seem to be that way for other teams.

In fact you've admitted that Curry is a chucker when you tried to use the defense that he shoots more when his team cannot score. Isn't that what Kobe does? Isn't that the excuse Kobe fans use for Kobe's chucking? Don't the Warriors lose more of those games than they win where Curry is scoring more points? Yes, of course they do.

[spurraider21]

You're doing it again...

no, it doesn't "stand to reason" tat they struggle when his shot is off because it isn't reflected in the win loss stats. A 0.8% fg% drop isn't enough deviation to make that kind of claim, and I have shown they have a winning record even when he shoots 40% or worse. This shows that he brings much more to the table than just shooting or chucking, such as runnin the offense, getting teammates looks. You are also once again playing both sides, saying his teammates impact is bigger than his yet pinning the blame if their losses on curry.

You routinely ask me to back up my claims with facts or video evidence, yet you think you are exempt from this when pulling the "curry's assists are from dumping it off when there are no options" bullshit out of your ass.

The notion of a team's best scorer shouldering the load in difficult games where teammates are struggling is not unique. It's something dirk, Lebron, tony, and many other great players do that wouldn't necessarily fit in your chucker category

[DMC]

Most Inconsistent Scorer And the HabersTrophy goes to ... Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry) Inconsistency is the only consistency when you launch an NBA-high 7.9 3-point attempts per game. Curry has three single-digit scoring games and three 40-plus scoring infernos on his ledger. Kevin Durant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant), Kevin Love (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love), LeBron James (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james) and Carmelo Anthony (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1975/carmelo-anthony) have zero single-digit scoring games combined. For two weeks in March, Curry couldn't crack 20 points. And now he's scored 31, 24, 30, 47 and 32 in his past five games. Put it all together and he owns the NBA's highest standard deviation of scoring totals (9.2). Wild.


lol fucking chucker

[DAF86]

lol a supossed chucker not shooting enough to make more than 9 pts in 3 games.

[DAF86]

In those 3 games he took 8, 10 and 10 shots respectively. His team won 2 of 3. Quite the chucker. :lol

[spurraider21]

In those 3 games he took 8, 10 and 10 shots respectively. His team won 2 of 3. Quite the chucker. :lol
don't bother. have you not read this thread? :lol

[DAF86]

don't bother. have you not read this thread? :lol

:cry "It's not the numbers of shots it's the type of shots. I don't care if he plays 40 mins per game and takes only 15 shots, those are 15 bad shots. Many of them are 3's and 3's are bad shots, it doesn't matter that he shoots 40 something % from 3's." :cry

[RsxPiimp]

Sybok get yo ass in here, they roasting you homie.

[spurraider21]

i haven't tried to roast or anything, just warning DAF that dmc is as philopolemic as i am... he won't stop arguing

[Sybok]

Inconsistency is the only consistency when you launch an NBA-high 7.9 3-point attempts per game.

I made the thread. It's my place to argue, plus I've provided rationality that you've not even offered.

[spurraider21]

I have (my last post before the thread was bumped). You said due to his chucking style, the warriors will struggle when curry has an off shooting night. The numbers refute that.

I cite his career high assist total as evidence that he's not simply chucking, and you give a bullshit and baseless explanation of how his assists largely come out of situations where he is doubled/tripled and forced to get rid of the ball as a last resort instead of coming from actual playmaking.

While you are quick to assign blame to Curry when the team loses, you have also been on record saying his teammates have more to do than wins/losses than he does, which seemingly contradict one another

[Sybok]

I have (my last post before the thread was bumped). You said due to his chucking style, the warriors will struggle when curry has an off shooting night. The numbers refute that.

I cite his career high assist total as evidence that he's not simply chucking, and you give a bullshit and baseless explanation of how his assists largely come out of situations where he is doubled/tripled and forced to get rid of the ball as a last resort instead of coming from actual playmaking.

While you are quick to assign blame to Curry when the team loses, you have also been on record saying his teammates have more to do than wins/losses than he does, which seemingly contradict one another

You're either being intentionally obtuse or you are just naive.

Curry is the PG. He's the one running the show. If his scoring outbursts more often come in losses than in wins, then that means his teammates aren't involved. They will score fewer points. The team loses. That doesn't mean the team lost because the teammates scored fewer points, at least it's not the root cause. How are you with abstract concepts?

You seem capable of understand the concept with Kobe but somehow you have a blind spot when it comes to Curry. It's notable though that you say "I am a fan of the guy, I hope he improves". Your acceptance of his game is established and you're now hoping he earns it.

[RobbyH]

He won't give up. He has a passion for arguing. Do you not know DMC?

:lmao is this some ironic shit or what?

[spurraider21]

You're either being intentionally obtuse or you are just naive.

Curry is the PG. He's the one running the show. If his scoring outbursts more often come in losses than in wins, then that means his teammates aren't involved. They will score fewer points. The team loses. That doesn't mean the team lost because the teammates scored fewer points, at least it's not the root cause. How are you with abstract concepts?

You seem capable of understand the concept with Kobe but somehow you have a blind spot when it comes to Curry. It's notable though that you say "I am a fan of the guy, I hope he improves". Your acceptance of his game is established and you're now hoping he earns it.
Curry's assist numbers are a shade lower in losses... But it's also true that Lee/Klay (the two best scorers besides Curry) have considerably lower shooting figures during losses.

[spurraider21]

:lmao is this some ironic shit or what?
Not whatsoever. You "cleverly" only posted a segment of my post, even though u preceded it with "he is as philopolemic as I am"

[Sybok]

Curry's assist numbers are a shade lower in losses... But it's also true that Lee/Klay (the two best scorers besides Curry) have considerably lower shooting figures during losses.
Shooting figures?

[spurraider21]

Shooting figures?
Yes

[Sybok]

So what figures? His PPG? His %?

[spurraider21]

Their entire statlines in win/loss spreads have been posted in this thread

[Sybok]

What a weird thread.

Curry was the 6th most efficient player in the league this season and 4th in assist percentage.

^ probably hasn't watched more than 4 Warriors games all season.

[Sybok]

Their entire statlines in win/loss spreads have been posted in this thread

You're so busy responding to every post you don't have time to actually add anything.

[Malik Hairston]

Curry 0-5 with 3 turnovers in the 4th quarter..

DMC the prophet, tbh..

[Clipper Nation]

Curry 0-5 with 3 turnovers in the 4th quarter..

DMC the prophet, tbh..
To be fair, one of the few things the Clippers did well today was guarding Curry, unfortunately, the rest of their team stepped up....

Maybe the better play is to let him chuck and shut down everyone else, tbh....

[Venti Quattro]

:lol choking in the 4th

[ClipperLuva]

Curry just doing what Curry does.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Curry
:lol Chucking, choking faggot
:lol Flops on every jump shot
:lol Shut down by a hobbled CP3 for most of the series

[kamikazi_player]

are you guys gonna really trash steph? he played a hell of a game. :lol

[Venti Quattro]

are you guys gonna really trash steph? he played a hell of a game. :lol

Just good ole' ribbing homie. Steph played a hell of a game. What should really be laughed at is Chris Paul trying his best to give away the game to the Clippers.

[Clipper Nation]

What should really be laughed at is Klay Thompson being invisible for long stretches of the series after talking all that shit before Game 1, including absolutely dismal performances in Games 2 and 6....

[Venti Quattro]

What should really be laughed at is Klay Thompson being invisible for long stretches of the series after talking all that shit before Game 1, including absolutely dismal performances in Games 2 and 6....

Klay didn't do much today, but he wasn't abysmal either in my opinion. He did ok for a Game 7. And :lmao oh yeah I remember when he talked shit to Blake about flopping

[Clipper Nation]

Klay didn't do much today, but he wasn't abysmal either in my opinion. He did ok for a Game 7. And :lmao oh yeah I remember when he talked shit to Blake about flopping
After all the flopping Curry, Lee, Green, and even Iggy were doing all series, that was laughable as hell in hindsight :lol

[Sybok]

The problem in this series wasn't Steph. It was the fact that Mark Jackson doesn't know how to run a team, had low contributions from his bench and doesn't coach defense at all. He's a cheerleader. I hope he gets fired.

[Clipper Nation]

http://giant.gfycat.com/PlainUnlinedAmericanmarten.gif

[DMC]

New season, new coach.








Los Angeles Clippers


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Blake Griffin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3989/blake-griffin), PF
31
7-15
0-0
0-1
0
1
1
1
0
0
2
2
-23
14


Matt Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1765/matt-barnes), SF
21
1-4
0-2
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
1
2
-18
2


DeAndre Jordan (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3442/deandre-jordan), C
28
5-8
0-0
2-2
3
6
9
1
2
1
1
1
-22
12


Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), PG
31
6-15
1-3
2-2
0
2
2
12
4
0
2
2
-25
15


J.J. Redick (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3024/j.j.-redick), SG
23
3-6
1-2
5-5
0
1
1
0
0
0
2
1
-20
12


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Spencer Hawes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3211/spencer-hawes), PF
13
0-3
0-2
0-0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
-9
0


Jordan Farmar (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3002/jordan-farmar), PG
8
1-3
1-1
0-0
0
0
0
4
1
0
1
0
-5
3


Reggie Bullock (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2528779/reggie-bullock), SG
8
1-1
1-1
0-0
0
1
1
1
0
0
0
0
-6
3


Jamal Crawford (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/165/jamal-crawford), SG
17
5-8
1-3
3-5
0
1
1
2
2
0
2
1
-7
14


Ekpe Udoh (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4261/ekpe-udoh), PF
Has not entered game


Hedo Turkoglu (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/862/hedo-turkoglu), SF
Has not entered game


Chris Douglas-Roberts (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3422/chris-douglas-roberts), SG
Has not entered game


Jared Cunningham (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6582/jared-cunningham), SG
Has not entered game


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



29-63
5-14
12-15
3
15
18
21
9
1
11
9

75



46.0%
35.7%
80.0%



Fast break points: 12
Points in the paint: 26
Total Team Turnovers (Points off turnovers): 13 (13)
+/- denotes team's net points while the player is on the court.




Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
23
1-3
1-1
4-4
1
4
5
3
0
0
0
0
+20
7


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
24
7-9
4-6
2-2
0
5
5
4
1
1
2
1
+23
20


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
26
3-5
0-0
0-0
2
10
12
5
0
0
3
2
+22
6


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
24
6-11
3-6
5-5
0
4
4
5
1
0
3
4
+27
20


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
25
7-10
3-3
2-2
0
1
1
1
0
2
0
3
+10
19


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


David Lee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee), PF
7
3-4
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
+1
6


Festus Ezeli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6587/festus-ezeli), C
10
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
2
2
0
2
0
4
2
+5
0


Shaun Livingston (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston), PG
12
2-3
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
0
0
4


Leandro Barbosa (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2166/leandro-barbosa), SG
11
5-7
1-2
0-0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
2
+17
11


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SG
18
3-3
1-1
2-2
0
0
0
1
1
0
2
1
+10
9


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
Has not entered game


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
Has not entered game


Brandon Rush (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3457/brandon-rush), SG
Has not entered game


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



37-56
13-19
15-15
3
26
29
24
5
3
15
15

102



66.1%
68.4%
100.0%





Look at the balance of scoring, but less obvious, the balance of assists among the starters. Notice Curry doesn't have all the assists and 20 shot attempts. That small sample says ball distribution, ball movement, open shooters who take the shots, intentional plays, not a "bail us out with a 30' bomb please" offense.

So far so good. Much improved over Jackson's system.