LOL Stephen "I Wanna Be Kobe" Curry

[DAF86]

:lol still trying to save face

[spurraider21]

New season, new coach.

Look at the balance of scoring, but less obvious, the balance of assists among the starters. Notice Curry doesn't have all the assists and 20 shot attempts. That small sample says ball distribution, ball movement, open shooters who take the shots, intentional plays, not a "bail us out with a 30' bomb please" offense.

So far so good. Much improved over Jackson's system.
when i mentioned their new coach and improvements you tried to shit all over that take, now you're adopting it

while david lee has his drawbacks on the other end, once he is healthy he will only improve their egalitarian style of play. kerr brings some triangle elements to the table and they will run a significant portion of their offense through Lee and Bogut, both of whom are very good passers

[RD2191]

:lol still trying to save face

[DMC]

:lol still trying to save face

:lol abandons thread during post season
:lol returns to cherry pick

[DMC]

when i mentioned their new coach and improvements you tried to shit all over that take, now you're adopting it

Too soon to tell, that's why I said "for now". I am only looking at Steph's performance, not the team's.

You gave shitty reasons for why Kerr makes a difference (i.e. "He's not Mark Jackson").

Doesn't make them a threat (which you said they were).


while david lee has his drawbacks on the other end, once he is healthy he will only improve their egalitarian style of play. kerr brings some triangle elements to the table and they will run a significant portion of their offense through Lee and Bogut, both of whom are very good passers
Which is 100x more than "he's not Mark Jackson". Vinny D isn't Mark Jackson either, but we know how that would go. Kerr hasn't proven anything, so the "so far so good" is just a note, not a prediction.

[spurraider21]

Too soon to tell, that's why I said "for now". I am only looking at Steph's performance, not the team's.

You gave shitty reasons for why Kerr makes a difference (i.e. "He's not Mark Jackson").

Doesn't make them a threat (which you said they were).

Which is 100x more than "he's not Mark Jackson". Vinny D isn't Mark Jackson either, but we know how that would go. Kerr hasn't proven anything, so the "so far so good" is just a note, not a prediction.
why are you acting like "he's not mark jackson" is the only thing i said? just because your memory fades with age and that's all you remember... doesn't make it true

[DMC]

why are you acting like "he's not mark jackson" is the only thing i said? just because your memory fades with age and that's all you remember... doesn't make it true
"differences in the sets" doesn't specify anything either and I addressed that. You said Kerr was a better coach and said you'd seen the signs, yet over half the signs were not signs at all, just attributes everyone is aware of. Neither he nor Jackson has ever been a head coach in the NBA. He wasn't a ball dominant PG because he didn't have the ability to be. He believes in defense but that doesn't mean he can convince the team to believe in it as well.

Like I said, we'll see. Steph has to buy in to him not being the savior of the franchise. His green light needs to have a caveat of ball movement and open looks, not just hand down man down.

[spurraider21]

"differences in the sets" doesn't specify anything either and I addressed that. You said Kerr was a better coach and said you'd seen the signs, yet over half the signs were not signs at all, just attributes everyone is aware of. Neither he nor Jackson has ever been a head coach in the NBA. He wasn't a ball dominant PG because he didn't have the ability to be. He believes in defense but that doesn't mean he can convince the team to believe in it as well.

Like I said, we'll see. Steph has to buy in to him not being the savior of the franchise. His green light needs to have a caveat of ball movement and open looks, not just hand down man down.
"difference in sets" is huge. did you want me to get into the x's and o's of what was different in their sets? more high post action from bogut, thompson handling the ball more to allow Curry to come off screens, less isolation opportunities, etc. among the biggest ways you can change an offense is to run different sets.

a coach's playing history can always have an effect on their coaching style as well. marc jackson was a ball dominant point guard. he was fine being part of a stagnant offense where he'd just back his man down to set up a play. isolation is what he knew and is what he taught. D'Antoni's offense is influenced by his playing days. its reasonable to assume that Kerr will bring his own experiences to the table.

i dont remember saying "he believes in defense" or anything along those lines.

[DMC]

"difference in sets" is huge. did you want me to get into the x's and o's of what was different in their sets? more high post action from bogut, thompson handling the ball more to allow Curry to come off screens, less isolation opportunities, etc. among the biggest ways you can change an offense is to run different sets.

Since every coach runs different sets, it means nothing without saying how those sets make a difference. Don't need x's and o's to illustration how "fewer isolation plays" or "no 30' heaves" changes the game. You seemed to do just fine after the x's and o's comment without using either.


a coach's playing history can always have an effect on their coaching style as well. marc jackson was a ball dominant point guard. he was fine being part of a stagnant offense where he'd just back his man down to set up a play. isolation is what he knew and is what he taught. D'Antoni's offense is influenced by his playing days. its reasonable to assume that Kerr will bring his own experiences to the table.

Reasonable sure, but sign? I can rationalize what might happen, but that doesn't make it a sign.


i dont remember saying "he believes in defense" or anything along those lines.
No, I said it. Steve is a defensive minded guy, can't play a lick of it, but he preaches it. I believe most NBA coaches could win if the team believed in what they were selling, but the problem is a pre-built team that's had relative success has a hard time changing everything up just because the bungee cord coach dropped in and might soon be headed back out. You see it all the time, and few coaches make a real difference though they appear to early on.

[spurraider21]

bogut, thompson, iguodala are all above average defenders. draymond green actually did a solid job on blake in the playoffs despite being undersized. Curry isn't a great defender, but he's not a big liability. he's similar to tony parker as far as effectiveness on that end, though Curry does usually pick up steals at least. i don't think it will take much for a team with good defense talent to become "sold" on playing defense.

the "sign" i was referring to was what i had seen in preseason play, as far as the offense they were running

[DMC]

bogut, thompson, iguodala are all above average defenders. draymond green actually did a solid job on blake in the playoffs despite being undersized. Curry isn't a great defender, but he's not a big liability. he's similar to tony parker as far as effectiveness on that end, though Curry does usually pick up steals at least. i don't think it will take much for a team with good defense talent to become "sold" on playing defense.

Solid individual defenders don't necessarily equate to solid team defense. You have to still be willing to get back on defense, know your rotations and all that esoteric shit that happens during inbounds and jump balls and all that shit. It's not as cut and dry as individual defenders making the team a great defensive team, but it helps.


the "sign" i was referring to was what i had seen in preseason play, as far as the offense they were running
That you didn't specify.

Plus, remember how Mark was heralded as making a huge improvement in the team in his first season? Warriors are 2nd round material, it shouldn't be notable that they win a few RS games. What's notable is how they do it.

[spurraider21]

Solid individual defenders don't necessarily equate to solid team defense. You have to still be willing to get back on defense, know your rotations and all that esoteric shit that happens during inbounds and jump balls and all that shit. It's not as cut and dry as individual defenders making the team a great defensive team, but it helps.
yes and no. team defense is very different than a group of individual defenders, but its not frequent that you see players become good individual defenders without committing to that end. you dont typically luck into being a good defender. if you are sold on it enough to be a good defensive player, i dont think translating that into team defense will be a big issue.

[DMC]

yes and no. team defense is very different than a group of individual defenders, but its not frequent that you see players become good individual defenders without committing to that end. you dont typically luck into being a good defender. if you are sold on it enough to be a good defensive player, i dont think translating that into team defense will be a big issue.

Curry currently has 8 turnovers. He's got a lot of points, but also has the lion's share of the assists. That's a regression to Mark Jackson days. Kerr needs to squelch that shit before it takes hold again. Let's see if he cracks 10 turnovers.

[DMC]

10! lol

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
36
7-14
3-7
5-5
1
8
9
0
1
4
5
5
-11
22


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
32
4-7
2-3
2-4
1
8
9
0
1
0
1
2
-13
12


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
26
2-6
0-0
0-0
0
8
8
2
2
1
4
4
-4
4


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
34
10-20
4-10
4-4
0
2
2
10
5
0
10
5
-6
28


Leandro Barbosa (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2166/leandro-barbosa), SG
31
5-8
2-3
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
1
1
4
-10
12


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
12
1-4
0-0
2-2
0
1
1
0
0
1
0
0
-7
4


Festus Ezeli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6587/festus-ezeli), C
10
2-2
0-0
0-0
0
2
2
0
0
0
1
4
-1
4


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
2
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
+2
0


Shaun Livingston (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston), PG
19
1-2
0-0
4-4
0
0
0
2
0
0
2
1
-2
6


Brandon Rush (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3457/brandon-rush), SG
7
1-2
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
1
0
0
1
1
+7
2


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SG
31
0-4
0-1
1-2
1
2
3
1
0
0
1
0
-15
1


Nemanja Nedovic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2959736/nemanja-nedovic), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Justin Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2284101/justin-holiday), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



33-69
11-24
18-21
3
33
36
16
9
7
26
26

95



47.8%
45.8%
85.7%



Fast break points: 4
Points in the paint: 30
Total Team Turnovers (Points off turnovers): 27 (30)
+/- denotes team's net points while the player is on the court.


Phoenix Suns


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Markieff Morris (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6461/markieff-morris), PF
25
4-9
0-2
0-4
0
7
7
0
0
0
6
3
-5
8


Marcus Morris (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6462/marcus-morris), PF
33
6-14
3-8
2-2
3
6
9
0
0
0
1
4
+15
17


Miles Plumlee (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6616/miles-plumlee), C
35
1-3
0-0
4-4
1
7
8
1
2
0
3
2
+19
6


Eric Bledsoe (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe), PG
22
2-6
0-1
5-6
0
0
0
3
0
0
2
4
-6
9


Goran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic), SG
29
8-12
3-3
0-0
0
2
2
3
3
0
1
1
-4
19


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Anthony Tolliver (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3276/anthony-tolliver), PF
11
1-2
1-2
0-0
1
1
2
0
0
0
0
1
-4
3


T.J. Warren (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2982334/t.j.-warren), SF
1
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-4
0


P.J. Tucker (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3033/p.j.-tucker), SF
29
1-6
0-2
0-0
2
3
5
3
2
2
1
1
+24
2


Alex Len (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2596107/alex-len), C
8
1-2
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
-6
2


Isaiah Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas), PG
27
4-13
1-5
13-14
1
2
3
7
1
0
3
1
+16
22


Archie Goodwin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2991281/archie-goodwin), SG
1
0-0
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
-4
0


Gerald Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2761/gerald-green), SG
19
6-12
4-7
3-3
1
2
3
0
1
0
3
0
+19
19


Shavlik Randolph (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2810/shavlik-randolph), PF
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Tyler Ennis (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3059281/tyler-ennis), PG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Zoran Dragic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2560823/zoran-dragic), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



34-79
12-30
27-33
9
30
39
17
9
2
21
19

107






The moral of the story for tonight's loss: No ball movement. The large majority of assists came from PG passes. Share the ball, share the assists. 10 turnovers says Curry was trying to force the action or go one on one too often, and/or guys were out of position. Kerr has his work cut out for him.

[Malik Hairston]

It's too bad Spurraider is banned at the moment, uh? :lol..

Isaiah Thomas took a shit all over Curry in the 4th tonight, tbh..

[DMC]

It's too bad Spurraider is banned at the moment, uh? :lol..

Isaiah Thomas took a shit all over Curry in the 4th tonight, tbh..

Giving up 20 points in the 4th quarter is painful. We saw something similar with them against SA when they were up, I think, 16 points and lost in the 4th when Curry's legs got tired but he continued to shoot the team out of contention (Klay helped). Tonight his offense was solid, but man, they really need to protect the ball. He's sloppy.

[Xylus]

Dragic 3-3 from long range!

[DMC]

Dragic 3-3 from long range!
Spurs don't draft losers tbqh.

[DMC]

Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
39
9-12
1-3
3-4
0
8
8
0
0
1
2
0
-5
22


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
32
2-7
1-2
4-4
0
4
4
5
0
1
1
4
-16
9


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
26
2-2
0-0
0-0
0
5
5
5
2
0
2
3
-7
4


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
36
7-18
0-7
2-2
0
6
6
5
0
0
3
2
-18
16


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
40
9-17
5-6
6-6
0
5
5
4
1
0
4
0
-7
29


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
12
5-5
0-0
1-2
0
2
2
0
0
1
1
3
-1
11


Festus Ezeli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6587/festus-ezeli), C
10
1-1
0-0
1-2
1
4
5
0
0
1
1
0
-5
3


Shaun Livingston (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston), PG
11
1-3
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
1
0
0
1
2
+5
2


Brandon Rush (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3457/brandon-rush), SG
3
0-1
0-1
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-2
0


Leandro Barbosa (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2166/leandro-barbosa), SG
10
1-2
0-1
0-0
0
1
1
2
2
0
1
0
-6
2


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SG
22
1-2
0-0
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
0
3
2
-3
2


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Justin Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2284101/justin-holiday), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



38-70
7-20
17-20
1
37
38
23
5
4
19
16

100





Good assist spread, Curry just couldn't hit a 3.

[spurraider21]

STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
23
7-11
3-5
0-0
0
4
4
1
0
0
1
5
+23
17


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
29
3-8
1-5
0-0
1
5
6
2
0
0
2
2
+24
7


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
22
6-7
0-0
1-2
2
7
9
2
1
0
2
3
+24
13


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
28
8-15
3-6
0-1
2
3
5
9
1
0
1
3
+23
19


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
27
7-13
4-6
3-3
1
3
4
5
3
1
2
1
+24
21

[StrengthAndHonor]

How about that Klay Thompson kid. He's playing extremely well.

[DMC]

STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
23
7-11
3-5
0-0
0
4
4
1
0
0
1
5
+23
17


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
29
3-8
1-5
0-0
1
5
6
2
0
0
2
2
+24
7


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
22
6-7
0-0
1-2
2
7
9
2
1
0
2
3
+24
13


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
28
8-15
3-6
0-1
2
3
5
9
1
0
1
3
+23
19


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
27
7-13
4-6
3-3
1
3
4
5
3
1
2
1
+24
21




Then the turnover problems are solved, just like that.

[spurraider21]

Then the turnover problems are solved, just like that.
decent assist spread, as you said, is a key as well. the rest of the starting lineup combined for 10.

[DMC]

decent assist spread, as you said, is a key as well. the rest of the starting lineup combined for 10.

I personally think Draymond Green needs to be traded or just benched. He doesn't fit.

[spurraider21]

I personally think Draymond Green needs to be traded or just benched. He doesn't fit.
really? i thought he'd been doing really well. he does a decent job of defending guys bigger than him, and his outside shot has improved.

still, i anticipate Lee being reinserted into the starting unit, for better or worse. or they could do what the spurs do with Splitter/Diaw and choose the starter based on matchup. but i think Green is a keeper for them

[AlexJones]

lol DMC.. Draymond Green is the guy they should be starting over Harrison Barnes when Lee comes back. He's a better fit than Speights/Barnes

[apalisoc_9]

No team with Draymond green would ever succeed. :lol

Not to mention the warriors top two players are easy to defend.

What the hell are the warriors going to do when they Play the Spurs? Or the Bulls ( also overrated but will match up well with the warriors)

:lol

[spurraider21]

excellent analysis

[Jodelo]

really? i thought he'd been doing really well. he does a decent job of defending guys bigger than him, and his outside shot has improved.

still, i anticipate Lee being reinserted into the starting unit, for better or worse. or they could do what the spurs do with Splitter/Diaw and choose the starter based on matchup. but i think Green is a keeper for them

This. Green is getting better and better. Defender, hustler and adding a jumpshot.

[DMC]

really? i thought he'd been doing really well. he does a decent job of defending guys bigger than him, and his outside shot has improved.

still, i anticipate Lee being reinserted into the starting unit, for better or worse. or they could do what the spurs do with Splitter/Diaw and choose the starter based on matchup. but i think Green is a keeper for them


He doesn't fit.

[DMC]

This. Green is getting better and better. Defender, hustler and adding a jumpshot.
They are all getting better and better, he doesn't fit into their scheme. He's the odd man out. Trust me on this.

[spurraider21]

He doesn't fit.
how? he rebounds, defends, can shoot, and is a good passer. he can defend the guys that bogut can't and vice versa. maybe they need another post presence on offense, and i can see that. that's where David Lee comes in.

i really dont see an issue with Green. He's actually a very good glue guy for them, since iguodala has declined

[DMC]

how? he rebounds, defends, can shoot, and is a good passer. he can defend the guys that bogut can't and vice versa. maybe they need another post presence on offense, and i can see that. that's where David Lee comes in.

i really dont see an issue with Green. He's actually a very good glue guy for them, since iguodala has declined

He's too short to be an effective 4, and as a small forward, he's a good defender but he shot 33% from 3 last year but he still takes shots. He's getting minutes because Lee is injured, but he'd be starting on another squad (one with lower playoff hopes). He doesn't fit for that reason, not because he's not a good player, but because the Warriors need a true PF, not a taller than average SF who hybrids into the role. Think Blair/center.

[Jodelo]

They are all getting better and better, he doesn't fit into their scheme. He's the odd man out. Trust me on this.


how? he rebounds, defends, can shoot, and is a good passer. he can defend the guys that bogut can't and vice versa. maybe they need another post presence on offense, and i can see that. that's where David Lee comes in.

i really dont see an issue with Green. He's actually a very good glue guy for them, since iguodala has declined

[DMC]

You don't just take 5 good players and build a team. They have to fit their roles on the team.

[spurraider21]

He's too short to be an effective 4
this is true or false based on matchups. last year he was actually effective against Blake in the playoffs. it was sort of his coming out party defensively


and as a small forward, he's a good defender but he shot 33% from 3 last year but he still takes shots.
his outside shot was supposedly a priority during the offseason and so far (small sample size) it has been showing. he's hitting 39% of them. he also gets much better looks as a 4 than as a 3.


He's getting minutes because Lee is injured, but he'd be starting on another squad (one with lower playoff hopes). He doesn't fit for that reason, not because he's not a good player, but because the Warriors need a true PF, not a taller than average SF who hybrids into the role. Think Blair/center.
if you want to argue that he'd be better served coming off the bench, that's fine. that doesn't mean he has no place on the team. he's an asset for them and has a unique skill set for that team

[Red Hawk #21]

No team with Draymond green would ever succeed. :lol





You are really one shitty poster.

[DMC]

this is true or false based on matchups. last year he was actually effective against Blake in the playoffs. it was sort of his coming out party defensively


his outside shot was supposedly a priority during the offseason and so far (small sample size) it has been showing. he's hitting 39% of them. he also gets much better looks as a 4 than as a 3.


if you want to argue that he'd be better served coming off the bench, that's fine. that doesn't mean he has no place on the team. he's an asset for them and has a unique skill set for that team

Him off the bench is no better than him in a starting role. You have to have a bigger "big" on the floor. He'll feast on shit teams but you'll see that he's a liability against bigger backcourts.

[spurraider21]

cant wait till u post the box score of when Green has a bad game. if he fared well against the Clippers last year doesn't that mean anything to you?

[DMC]

cant wait till u post the box score of when Green has a bad game. if he fared well against the Clippers last year doesn't that mean anything to you?

No. Blair fared well against the Thunder. Real well in fact.

This is about Curry, not Green. The league is full of Draymond Green type players, only one Curry, and he's a chucker.

[spurraider21]

I personally think Draymond Green needs to be traded or just benched. He doesn't fit.


He doesn't fit.


They are all getting better and better, he doesn't fit into their scheme. He's the odd man out. Trust me on this.


He's too short to be an effective 4, and as a small forward, he's a good defender but he shot 33% from 3 last year but he still takes shots. He's getting minutes because Lee is injured, but he'd be starting on another squad (one with lower playoff hopes). He doesn't fit for that reason, not because he's not a good player, but because the Warriors need a true PF, not a taller than average SF who hybrids into the role. Think Blair/center.


Him off the bench is no better than him in a starting role. You have to have a bigger "big" on the floor. He'll feast on shit teams but you'll see that he's a liability against bigger backcourts.
















This is about Curry, not Green.
:lmao

[DMC]

^Which is why I won't post box scores focusing on Draymond Green. Keep it in context, Philo.

[spurraider21]

chucker with 7 assists 1 turnover after 1

[DMC]

chucker with 7 assists 1 turnover after 1

Against the shittiest team in the league.

[Franklin]

This Kobe wannabe didn't shoot 1-14 at least

[spurraider21]

STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
40
7-12
0-1
3-4
5
5
10
1
0
0
1
0
+36
17


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
32
6-13
2-5
0-0
5
9
14
2
0
1
2
3
+16
14


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
29
4-9
0-0
0-0
4
7
11
1
0
4
1
2
+22
8


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
31
8-17
3-6
0-0
0
3
3
11
4
1
2
0
+11
19


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
33
8-16
5-8
2-4
1
3
4
5
2
1
2
0
+19
23


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
17
5-14
0-0
2-2
2
4
6
1
1
1
1
1
0
12


Festus Ezeli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6587/festus-ezeli), C
2
0-0
0-0
1-4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
+5
1


Shaun Livingston (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston), PG
17
2-6
0-0
0-0
1
2
3
6
1
0
0
0
+16
4


Justin Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2284101/justin-holiday), SG
2
1-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
+5
2


Leandro Barbosa (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2166/leandro-barbosa), SG
13
3-6
0-1
0-0
0
1
1
1
1
0
0
1
+3
6


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SG
23
3-6
0-1
0-3
0
4
4
3
2
0
0
1
+2
6




on the other side, Jrue Holiday shot 5-15 and contributed 4 turnovers

[RsxPiimp]

Old faggot and his shitty takes:lol

[King Emmanuel]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4CKx-wCYAAfyOk.png:large

[DMC]

STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
40
7-12
0-1
3-4
5
5
10
1
0
0
1
0
+36
17


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
32
6-13
2-5
0-0
5
9
14
2
0
1
2
3
+16
14


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
29
4-9
0-0
0-0
4
7
11
1
0
4
1
2
+22
8


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
31
8-17
3-6
0-0
0
3
3
11
4
1
2
0
+11
19


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
33
8-16
5-8
2-4
1
3
4
5
2
1
2
0
+19
23


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
17
5-14
0-0
2-2
2
4
6
1
1
1
1
1
0
12


Festus Ezeli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6587/festus-ezeli), C
2
0-0
0-0
1-4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
+5
1


Shaun Livingston (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston), PG
17
2-6
0-0
0-0
1
2
3
6
1
0
0
0
+16
4


Justin Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2284101/justin-holiday), SG
2
1-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
+5
2


Leandro Barbosa (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2166/leandro-barbosa), SG
13
3-6
0-1
0-0
0
1
1
1
1
0
0
1
+3
6


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SG
23
3-6
0-1
0-3
0
4
4
3
2
0
0
1
+2
6




on the other side, Jrue Holiday shot 5-15 and contributed 4 turnovers

Cherry picking at it's finest (all you faggots)





Golden State Warriors


STARTERS
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Harrison Barnes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6578/harrison-barnes), SF
29
3-8
1-2
2-2
4
5
9
1
0
0
1
0
+5
9


Draymond Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), SF
32
4-9
0-2
1-2
1
9
10
2
1
1
1
4
+1
9


Andrew Bogut (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2747/andrew-bogut), C
24
2-4
0-0
2-2
2
3
5
5
0
3
2
3
-2
6


Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
32
9-20
1-10
7-7
1
3
4
6
1
2
4
4
+16
26


Klay Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6475/klay-thompson), SG
35
7-22
3-5
0-0
2
3
5
4
3
1
1
3
+3
17


BENCH
MIN
FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


Marreese Speights (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3460/marreese-speights), PF
24
12-20
0-0
3-3
4
1
5
2
1
1
1
6
+7
27


Shaun Livingston (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston), PG
14
2-5
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
4
0
0
0
3
-2
4


Brandon Rush (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3457/brandon-rush), SG
18
2-8
1-4
0-0
0
2
2
1
0
0
0
2
-5
5


Andre Iguodala (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala), SG
32
1-3
1-3
0-0
2
3
5
3
1
0
2
1
+2
3


Ognjen Kuzmic (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6602/ognjen-kuzmic), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Festus Ezeli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6587/festus-ezeli), C
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Justin Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2284101/justin-holiday), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


Leandro Barbosa (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2166/leandro-barbosa), SG
DNP COACH'S DECISION


TOTALS

FGM-A
3PM-A
FTM-A
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF

PTS



42-99
7-26
15-16
16
30
46
28
7
8
12
26

106



42.4%
26.9%
93.8%

[spurraider21]

any 1 game is cherrypicking. lets check out the aggregate



REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES


SEASON
TEAM
GP
GS
MIN
FGM-A
FG%
3PM-A
3P%
FTM-A
FT%
OR
DR
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


'09-'10


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


80
77
36.2
6.6-14.3
.462
2.1-4.8
.437
2.2-2.5
.885
0.6
3.9
4.5
5.9
0.2
1.9
3.2
3.1
17.5


'10-'11


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


74
74
33.6
6.8-14.2
.480
2.0-4.6
.442
2.9-3.1
.934
0.7
3.2
3.9
5.8
0.3
1.5
3.1
3.1
18.6


'11-'12


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


26
23
28.2
5.6-11.4
.490
2.1-4.7
.455
1.5-1.8
.809
0.6
2.8
3.4
5.3
0.3
1.5
2.4
2.5
14.7


'12-'13


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


78
78
38.2
8.0-17.8
.451
3.5-7.7
.453
3.4-3.7
.900
0.8
3.3
4.0
6.9
0.2
1.6
2.5
3.1
22.9


'13-'14


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


78
78
36.5
8.4-17.7
.471
3.3-7.9
.424
3.9-4.5
.885
0.6
3.7
4.3
8.5
0.2
1.6
2.5
3.8
24.0


'14-'15


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


18
18
32.6
8.1-16.3
.493
3.2-7.6
.416
4.2-4.5
.926
0.6
4.5
5.1
7.8
0.2
1.9
2.4
3.2
23.4


Career
354
348
35.4
7.3-15.7
.468
2.7-6.2
.438
3.0-3.4
.898
0.7
3.5
4.1
6.7
0.2
1.7
2.8
3.2
20.4

[DMC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4CKx-wCYAAfyOk.png:large


That supports what I said last year. The Warriors were a one pass and shoot offense, and when Curry is piling up assists, that's what they continue to be. When others are getting assists as well, the scoring spreads out and the team becomes more effective. Any team can shut down one player in a series, it's harder to shut down an entire team though, only Jim Buss has been able to accomplish that one.

[DMC]

any 1 game is cherrypicking. lets check out the aggregate



REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES


SEASON
TEAM
GP
GS
MIN
FGM-A
FG%
3PM-A
3P%
FTM-A
FT%
OR
DR
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


'09-'10


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


80
77
36.2
6.6-14.3
.462
2.1-4.8
.437
2.2-2.5
.885
0.6
3.9
4.5
5.9
0.2
1.9
3.2
3.1
17.5


'10-'11


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


74
74
33.6
6.8-14.2
.480
2.0-4.6
.442
2.9-3.1
.934
0.7
3.2
3.9
5.8
0.3
1.5
3.1
3.1
18.6


'11-'12


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


26
23
28.2
5.6-11.4
.490
2.1-4.7
.455
1.5-1.8
.809
0.6
2.8
3.4
5.3
0.3
1.5
2.4
2.5
14.7


'12-'13


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


78
78
38.2
8.0-17.8
.451
3.5-7.7
.453
3.4-3.7
.900
0.8
3.3
4.0
6.9
0.2
1.6
2.5
3.1
22.9


'13-'14


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


78
78
36.5
8.4-17.7
.471
3.3-7.9
.424
3.9-4.5
.885
0.6
3.7
4.3
8.5
0.2
1.6
2.5
3.8
24.0


'14-'15


GS (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)


18
18
32.6
8.1-16.3
.493
3.2-7.6
.416
4.2-4.5
.926
0.6
4.5
5.1
7.8
0.2
1.9
2.4
3.2
23.4


Career
354
348
35.4
7.3-15.7
.468
2.7-6.2
.438
3.0-3.4
.898
0.7
3.5
4.1
6.7
0.2
1.7
2.8
3.2
20.4



Yes but you seem to only post the good ones.

[spurraider21]

Yes but you seem to only post the good ones.
and you seem to post the bad ones. yin/yang

season averages aren't biased though

[DMC]

and you seem to post the bad ones. yin/yang

season averages aren't biased though

I have posted both. You abandon the thread when Curry is shitting the bed but return with a box score when he has a good night.

[DMC]

The real indicator for change is in Curry's teammates' assists. Klay is averaging over 1 full APG higher than last season and Curry over 1 full APG lower. That indicates ball movement. When Curry's assists go high, the offense is stagnant.

[spurraider21]

I have posted both. You abandon the thread when Curry is shitting the bed but return with a box score when he has a good night.
hardly. maybe twice or thrice, and on a couple of those you probably chose to search for one poor stat and highlight it. and you got me. i dont bother posting his poor games, i usually assume you've got it covered. based on his 49% on the season those bad games are apparently not the norm anyway

[spurraider21]

and Curry over 1 full APG lower
?

2013 - 8.5 per game
2014 - 7.8 per game

he's also playing 4 less minutes per game. on a per minute basis he's actually getting more assists than last year

[DMC]

?

2013 - 8.5 per game
2014 - 7.8 per game

he's also playing 4 less minutes per game. on a per minute basis he's actually getting more assists than last year

I mean "almost".

So playing Curry less equals more success. Got it.

[spurraider21]

I mean "almost".

So playing Curry less equals more success. Got it.
"Don't be purposely obtuse."

-Parrot

[Kool Bob Love]

http://youtu.be/YRPyUwo6ruo

[Tuddy]

Curry will always be overrated cause he can't get to the line. Creating foul problems for the opposition and getting freebies at the line is pretty fundamental to being a superstar.

[spurraider21]

Curry will always be overrated cause he can't get to the line. Creating foul problems for the opposition and getting freebies at the line is pretty fundamental to being a superstar.
Steve Nash was never known for getting to the line either, but i dont think thats why his Suns teams never reached the next level

[DMC]

"Don't be purposely obtuse."

-Parrot

Look at the W/L vs Curry's point production this season vs the last 2.

[spurraider21]

Look at the W/L vs Curry's point production this season vs the last 2.
are we talking about point production or minutes? you just implied the warriors are better this year because Curry's minutes are down.

which was basically a cheese response after i showed a flaw in your previous point... you thought because Curry was averaging less assists, he was being less ball dominant when in fact his assists/minute are up from last year. now you are trying to move goalposts to points

[StrengthAndHonor]

I personally think Draymond Green needs to be traded or just benched. He doesn't fit.

:lmao One of the worst takes in ST History

[Thread]

^And DMC is such an asshole to boot.

[AlexJones]

:lol looks 13 years old
:lol Culbear has a Steph Curry poster in his bedroom
lol

[DMC]

are we talking about point production or minutes? you just implied the warriors are better this year because Curry's minutes are down.

No, you did. I only summed the figures. Certainly the argument could be made, cause vs correlation seems to be a legit angle ITT.


which was basically a cheese response after i showed a flaw in your previous point... you thought because Curry was averaging less assists, he was being less ball dominant when in fact his assists/minute are up from last year. now you are trying to move goalposts to points
Unfortunately for your argument, games aren't played on a by minute average. Otherwise Manu would be the best player in the league most of the time.
He is being less ball dominant if he's on the court less. Why is that hard to understand? Patty Mills hasn't been very ball dominant this season, hasn't been a chucker.

[DMC]

^And DMC is such an asshole to boot.
And I took your cookie and made you like it.

[DMC]

:lmao One of the worst takes in ST History

Perpetual "next year" team, behind TLong.

[Thread]

And I took your cookie and made you like it.

GOTCHA.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[DMC]

I won't argue that Amy fueled Tim to 5

[spurraider21]

Unfortunately for your argument, games aren't played on a by minute average. Otherwise Manu would be the best player in the league most of the time.
He is being less ball dominant if he's on the court less. Why is that hard to understand? Patty Mills hasn't been very ball dominant this season, hasn't been a chucker.
So if Kobe played the way he always plays, but for 5 minutes per game... and Tiago Splitter plays the way he plays for 30 minutes a game, you'd call Splitter more ball dominant?

[SpurSwag]

How is there still hate being thrown at Curry at all, he's been the MVP so far, has his team off to a unbelievable start, and is doing everything well. He takes bad shots, but that's because he makes bad shots. He makes the right plays when they matter, and is even playing good defense. Young point god tbh

[Thread]

How is there still hate being thrown at Curry at all, he's been the MVP so far, has his team off to a unbelievable start, and is doing everything well. He takes bad shots, but that's because he makes bad shots. He makes the right plays when they matter, and is even playing good defense. Young point god tbh

Yet another 82 game wonder who will fall completely apart thereafter as the defense draw near.

Only children fall for this shit. And Walter Mitty type Spurs Fans which is in abundance on this site.

[SpurSwag]

Yet another 82 game wonder who will fall completely apart thereafter as the defense draw near.

Only children fall for this shit. And Walter Mitty type Spurs Fans which is in abundance on this site.

Idk they really do look like a championship caliber team. Yes, there will be games where their jumpers don't fall and they'll struggle. But if they make it to the playoffs completely healthy, there aren't many teams that could beat them and a lot of that is just their versatility. They can play literally any style and not just survive doing it, but thrive in any system. If they need rebounding, Lee and Bogut are two elite rebounders and Bogut can more than compensate for Lee's poor D. Need to go small? Barnes, Green, or even Iggy can be small ball 4s, and all 3 of those guys can hit the 3. Speights is a great scorer off the bench, livingston is real versatile, and iguodala is a nice playmaker off the bench. It's a really deep squad

[Calispursfan11]

GOTCHA.

lmcontrollinao!!!

The resurgence of thread tbh. He is a trend setter. He setteth trends.

[Thread]

^I'm feelin' my oats that's for damn sure.

Shit, I'm goin'.........

CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

i'll save DMC the time of looking for this... the bump is incoming

[kamikazi_player]

smh i can't believe there are people still arguing that curry is a chucker like kobe. Curry actually passes the ball and makes his teammates better.

[DMC]

When I made this thread, Curry had just chucked his team out of the playoffs. Since then the nut slurping has ensued and for some idiotic reason people seem to be lulled into a stupid notion that a shoot first point guard who cannot guard or get to the rim is somehow a phenom because he hits open shots in the regular season. It's a sign of being more interested in offense than defense, and even then in not understanding the nuances of how an offense runs when it runs correctly. If someone wants to compare him to Nash, fine, but Nash could finish at the rim pretty damn well and could dump it off right in the paint with the best to ever do it. Still, he was always a liability. It's like taking the fastest Schnauzer in the world and putting him in a greyhound race. He's the king of the Schnauzers, but the race will be won by the greyhounds, not the little dogs with cute moves.

[spurraider21]

i don't think he's a nash-level defender

[100%duncan]

When I made this thread, Curry had just chucked his team out of the playoffs. Since then the nut slurping has ensued and for some idiotic reason people seem to be lulled into a stupid notion that a shoot first point guard who cannot guard or get to the rim is somehow a phenom because he hits open shots in the regular season. It's a sign of being more interested in offense than defense, and even then in not understanding the nuances of how an offense runs when it runs correctly. If someone wants to compare him to Nash, fine, but Nash could finish at the rim pretty damn well and could dump it off right in the paint with the best to ever do it. Still, he was always a liability. It's like taking the fastest Schnauzer in the world and putting him in a greyhound race. He's the king of the Schnauzers, but the race will be won by the greyhounds, not the little dogs with cute moves.

This was in april 21 2013 i dont understand?

[spurraider21]

:lol

[spurraider21]

good bounceback game. showed Russell Wetsbrook up on both ends

[hater]

:lol

[RsxPiimp]

:lmao

[Red Hawk #21]

I personally think Draymond Green needs to be traded or just benched. He doesn't fit.

Draymond Green with 16 Points, 9 Rebounds, and 9 Assists last night.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I've watched Curry forever, I knew he was gonna be big time. DMC just man up and eat crow

[Samuel Eto'o]

Theres something admiral about an old man sticking to his views regardless of the new information presented to him.

[DAF86]

When I made this thread, Curry had just chucked his team out of the playoffs. Since then the nut slurping has ensued and for some idiotic reason people seem to be lulled into a stupid notion that a shoot first point guard who cannot guard or get to the rim is somehow a phenom because he hits open shots in the regular season. It's a sign of being more interested in offense than defense, and even then in not understanding the nuances of how an offense runs when it runs correctly. If someone wants to compare him to Nash, fine, but Nash could finish at the rim pretty damn well and could dump it off right in the paint with the best to ever do it. Still, he was always a liability. It's like taking the fastest Schnauzer in the world and putting him in a greyhound race. He's the king of the Schnauzers, but the race will be won by the greyhounds, not the little dogs with cute moves.

Curry competes at the defensive end pretty decently. He's a great rebounder for his position too and I haven't looked at the numbers but the eye test tells me he's fine at getting to the rim and finishing, tbh. He's a pretty complete basketball player.

[DMC]

Curry competes at the defensive end pretty decently. He's a great rebounder for his position too and I haven't looked at the numbers but the eye test tells me he's fine at getting to the rim and finishing, tbh. He's a pretty complete basketball player.

Curry doesn't play a lick of defense.

[spurraider21]

Curry doesn't play a lick of defense.
Oh ok

[TDMVPDPOY]

holy fkn shit the clowns on rgm think this clown when all said and done can reach top30 wtf

this clown cant play defense for shit, i take a 2 way player like payton play lock down defense on this scrub while gettin his numbers, but the same cant be said about that scrub curry...

[AaronY]

Theres something admiral about an old man sticking to his views regardless of the new information presented to him.

There's a colonel of truth in what you're saying and I think this thread is actually a blessing in the skies for that reason. But lets not get carried away and go putting put this DMC guy up on a pedal stool or anything

[Malik Hairston]

I'm a fan of Curry's game(but hate the player, he's a moist pussy), he's the best PG in the league, but DMC can probably play this card until Curry goes deep in the playoffs IMO..

[spurraider21]

I'm a fan of Curry's game(but hate the player, he's a moist pussy), he's the best PG in the league, but DMC can probably play this card until Curry goes deep in the playoffs IMO..
yeah and he basically will. curry might play fantastic, but DMC will go out of his way to find a single bad statistic (ie more than 3 turnovers, more than 4 misses from deep, more than ~17 FGA, less than 7 assists) as if "a-ha! that's why they lost"

[Malik Hairston]

It would still help his argument , though..historically, you don't win titles with a PG as your best player..

[spurraider21]

It would still help his argument , though..historically, you don't win titles with a PG as your best player..
his argument keeps changing though :lol

started with him being an overrated chucker, then it became about being a good enough player to build a championship team around. now he's even says things like too many assists from curry means he's too ball dominant, or saying the warriors do better when he plays less because his minutes are a little down this year :lol

at any point in time his argument could be something different, but if he wants to stick with the general PG as your best player = no rings, then why is the thread Curry specific?

[TDMVPDPOY]

all the so called best pg of the league are all overrated

all offense but cant even contain their opponent h2h, whats the point of allowing them gettin theirs or just trading baskets?

[Spurs9]

Curry's problem is he relys more on trying to be flashy, or how awkward or fast he can jack up a shot. His lack of defense and his attention whore seeking persona will bite hit.

[DMC]

Curry had only one turnover. Kerr is doing a good job limiting his minutes to keep him from becoming a liability. Mark Jackson leaned so heavily on him as to make him a liability once his legs tire.

[spurraider21]

do people literally assume his lack of defense due to the fact that he's good on offense?

[DMC]

do people literally assume his lack of defense due to the fact that he's good on offense?

Yes, and we assumed neither David Robinson nor Michael Jordan played a lick of defense. Great reasoning skills you have there.

[spurraider21]

Yes, and we assumed neither David Robinson nor Michael Jordan played a lick of defense. Great reasoning skills you have there.
never suggested that to be the case for every good offensive player of all time. nice try though.

[DMC]

never suggested that to be the case for every good offensive player of all time. nice try though.

So then there must be something else that causes us to think his defense is shitty?

[spurraider21]

So then there must be something else that causes us to think his defense is shitty?
it clearly doesn't come from watching the games or reviewing statistics, which is why i asked

[DMC]

it clearly doesn't come from watching the games or reviewing statistics, which is why i asked
I'm waiting for you to bring up defensive stats that are team based and try to apply it to a player. Go ahead.

[spurraider21]

I'm waiting for you to bring up defensive stats that are team based and try to apply it to a player. Go ahead.
a claim was made that curry doesn't play any defense. i challenged the claim. the onus isn't on me to go and disprove the claim. i merely asked where they get that notion from. i'm waiting for an answer

but i'll play along, his DRPM grades out positively, slightly above Danny Green. he's also up there in defensive rating, defensive win shares, and grades positively in defensive box p/m (per bball reference). he also gets the eye-candy steal numbers with 2 per game

[DMC]

a claim was made that curry doesn't play any defense. i challenged the claim. the onus isn't on me to go and disprove the claim. i merely asked where they get that notion from. i'm waiting for an answer
“In my mind, we have a pretty good situation because Klay is so good guarding Chris Paul, for example, in the playoffs that it’s a great option,” Kerr said, referring to [Mark] Jackson’s tendency to put Thompson on the more dynamic point guards. “But certain matchups might go the other way, where we have to have Steph on the point guard. And we think that’s a perfectly viable option.” - A coach providing apologetics for Curry's defensive shortcomings


The onus is never on the person denying the positive assertion. It was said that Curry works hard on the defensive end. I disagreed. How can I prove Curry doesn't play a lick of defense? How can anyone prove a negative? You have to show he plays solid defense. James Harden also doesn't play a lick of defense but he has some steals.

[spurraider21]

“In my mind, we have a pretty good situation because Klay is so good guarding Chris Paul, for example, in the playoffs that it’s a great option,” Kerr said, referring to [Mark] Jackson’s tendency to put Thompson on the more dynamic point guards. “But certain matchups might go the other way, where we have to have Steph on the point guard. And we think that’s a perfectly viable option.” - A coach providing apologetics for Curry's defensive shortcomings
:lmao nice out of context quote

"In my mind, we have a pretty good situation because Klay is so good guarding Chris Paul, for example, in the playoffs that it's a great option," Kerr said, referring to Jackson's tendency to put Thompson on the more dynamic point guards. "But certain matchups might go the other way, where we have to have Steph on the point guard. And we think that's a perfectly viable option."

plus that quote was taken in september before the season started

[spurraider21]

When I made this thread, Curry had just chucked his team out of the playoffs. Since then the nut slurping has ensued and for some idiotic reason people seem to be lulled into a stupid notion that a shoot first point guard who cannot guard or get to the rim is somehow a phenom because he hits open shots in the regular season. It's a sign of being more interested in offense than defense, and even then in not understanding the nuances of how an offense runs when it runs correctly. If someone wants to compare him to Nash, fine, but Nash could finish at the rim pretty damn well and could dump it off right in the paint with the best to ever do it. Still, he was always a liability. It's like taking the fastest Schnauzer in the world and putting him in a greyhound race. He's the king of the Schnauzers, but the race will be won by the greyhounds, not the little dogs with cute moves.
you made the claim... you have nothing to back that up

[DMC]

a claim was made that curry doesn't play any defense. i challenged the claim. the onus isn't on me to go and disprove the claim. i merely asked where they get that notion from. i'm waiting for an answer

but i'll play along, his DRPM grades out positively, slightly above Danny Green. he's also up there in defensive rating, defensive win shares, and grades positively in defensive box p/m (per bball reference). he also gets the eye-candy steal numbers with 2 per game

Since you want to edit...

I suppose Corey Joseph (#11 DRPM PG) is a better defensive PG than Chris Paul (#18 DRPM PG). Good job, I never knew.

2014-15 Real Plus-Minus - Point Guards


RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/1)
DRPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1)
RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1)
WAR (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/1)


1
John Wall (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall)
WSH
26
36.1
2.51
2.49
5.00
4.12


2
Stephen Curry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)
GS
26
33.7
6.01
1.84
7.85
5.76


3
Elfrid Payton (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2583639/elfrid-payton)
ORL
30
24.7
-2.05
1.42
-0.63
0.75


4
Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)
BOS/DAL
24
31.9
-1.40
1.34
-0.06
0.96


5
Damian Lillard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard)
POR
29
35.5
5.31
1.12
6.43
5.34


6
Eric Bledsoe (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe)
PHX
29
32.8
0.89
0.94
1.83
2.42


7
Patrick Beverley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley)
HOU
15
33.6
0.37
0.72
1.09
0.96


8
Darren Collison (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3973/darren-collison)
SAC
25
34.8
2.85
0.68
3.53
2.92


9
Shaun Livingston (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston)
GS
26
18.1
-1.82
0.66
-1.16
0.34


10
Pablo Prigioni (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4182/pablo-prigioni)
NY
28
19.6
0.78
0.66
1.44
1.16


11
Michael Carter-Williams (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2596108/michael-carter-williams)
PHI
19
33.9
-1.89
0.65
-1.24
0.43


12
Cory Joseph (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6446/cory-joseph)
SA
27
24.4
-0.20
0.47
0.27
0.99


13
Marcus Smart (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2990992/marcus-smart)
BOS
12
18.3
0.73
0.47
1.20
0.41


14
Kyle Lowry (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry)
TOR
29
34.2
5.73
0.37
6.10
4.78


15
C.J. Watson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3277/c.j.-watson)
IND
12
25.8
0.57
0.28
0.85
0.56


16
Steve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake)
POR
29
21.9
0.27
0.12
0.39
1.04


17
Ricky Rubio (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio)
MIN
5
28.8
1.39
0.12
1.51
0.36


18
Chris Paul (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul)
LAC
28
34.7
5.72
0.11
5.83
4.81


19
Rodney Stuckey (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3235/rodney-stuckey)
IND
21
25.8
-1.41
-0.03
-1.44
0.29


20
Mario Chalmers (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3419/mario-chalmers)
MIA
28
30.5
-1.25
-0.06
-1.31
0.51


21
Rajon Rondo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo)
BOS/DAL
24
31.9
-2.05
-0.09
-2.14
0.10


22
Jrue Holiday (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday)
NO
27
34.2
3.51
-0.17
3.34
3.16


23
Avery Bradley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4240/avery-bradley)
BOS
24
30.4
-0.61
-0.18
-0.79
0.71


24
Mike Conley (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley)
MEM
28
33.2
3.53
-0.32
3.21
2.91


25
Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)
OKC
14
31.2
4.92
-0.34
4.58
1.80


26
Jameer Nelson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2439/jameer-nelson)
BOS/DAL
24
25.2
0.01
-0.35
-0.34
0.68


27
Jeff Teague (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4015/jeff-teague)
ATL
24
31.3
1.41
-0.37
1.04
1.60


28
Shabazz Napier (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2530780/shabazz-napier)
MIA
25
21.0
-1.18
-0.50
-1.68
0.21


29
Jameer Nelson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2439/jameer-nelson)
BOS/DAL
24
25.2
-0.42
-0.51
-0.93
0.53


30
Greivis Vasquez (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4291/greivis-vasquez)
TOR
29
20.9
-0.79
-0.51
-1.30
0.37


31
Derrick Rose (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3456/derrick-rose)
CHI
17
27.5
1.17
-0.56
0.61
0.81


32
Jeremy Lin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4299/jeremy-lin)
LAL
27
27.6
0.00
-0.66
-0.66
0.78


33
Norris Cole (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6431/norris-cole)
MIA
24
26.1
-0.56
-0.71
-1.27
0.38


34
Shelvin Mack (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6454/shelvin-mack)
ATL
24
14.5
-0.51
-0.74
-1.25
0.22


35
Dennis Schroder (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3032979/dennis-schroder)
ATL
26
18.5
-0.03
-0.82
-0.85
0.40


36
Ronnie Price (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2807/ronnie-price)
LAL
26
21.2
-0.39
-0.83
-1.22
0.36


37
Deron Williams (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2798/deron-williams)
BKN
25
34.5
1.73
-0.84
0.89
1.65


38
Nate Robinson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2782/nate-robinson)
DEN
24
13.3
-2.07
-0.97
-3.04
-0.13


39
Jerryd Bayless (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3417/jerryd-bayless)
MIL
28
20.1
1.44
-1.00
0.44
0.95


40
Jarrett Jack (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2768/jarrett-jack)
BKN
26
25.5
-3.94
-1.01
-4.95
-

[spurraider21]

Since you want to edit...

I suppose Corey Joseph (#11 DRPM PG) is a better defensive PG than Chris Paul (#18 DRPM PG). Good job, I never knew.
there's a reason i gave more than one stat. carlos boozer had some good years as far as defensive ratting goes. i gave virtually every defensive metric i could think of so i could paint a complete picture. you in the meantime provide nothing but empty claims

[DMC]

you made the claim... you have nothing to back that up
There's a reason the coach puts Klay on the "more dynamic" point guards.

[spurraider21]

Since you want to edit...
would you prefer i make several consecutive posts? seems inefficient

[spurraider21]

There's a reason the coach puts Klay on the "more dynamic" point guards.
so because klay is regarded as a very good defender, that means Curry is a very bad one? THAT's your argument? ok.

[Franklin]

defense ain't an issue neither to Curry, not to the warriors team as a whole. It's just his selfish style of play at the offensive end that draws him the most criticism imho, he's Stephen "I wanna be Kobe" Curry, don't forget.

[Franklin]

sometimes when you watch them Spurs play, DMC, you see someone else other than Tim Duncan guarding the opposing team's best big (Dirk, Aldridge etc...) but does it mean Splitter or Diaw is better defensively than Duncan, tbh?

[Clipper Nation]

DMC just destroying Philo ITT.

[spurraider21]

DMC just destroying Philo ITT.
with what? out of context quotes and shitty logic with no statistical evidence to back his claims? k

its basically him saying "curry is a bad defender because i say so"

[Clipper Nation]

with what? out of context quotes and shitty logic with no statistical evidence to back his claims? k

its basically him saying "curry is a bad defender because i say so"
:cry

[DAF86]

Whoever says Curry doesn't play a lick of defense has clearly not watched enough Warriors games. He's obviously not a defensive stopper by any means but he's far from a liability, in fact he might even be above average on that end (for a PG nowadays).

[spurraider21]

:cry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B761DvpHuBw

[DMC]

so because klay is regarded as a very good defender, that means Curry is a very bad one? THAT's your argument? ok.
When someone else has to guard the guy the PG would normally be guarding, it's because the PG cannot guard him. This seems self evident.

[DMC]

Whoever says Curry doesn't play a lick of defense has clearly not watched enough Warriors games. He's obviously not a defensive stopper by any means but he's far from a liability, in fact he might even be above average on that end (for a PG nowadays).

Curry is a pick away from being completely out of any given play. He doesn't guard good players. He's a gambler on defense. Calling him a defender is like calling Tony Allen a shooter.

[spurraider21]

Curry is a pick away from being completely out of any given play. He doesn't guard good players. He's a gambler on defense. Calling him a defender is like calling Tony Allen a shooter.
are we just supposed to take your word for all this? considering your bias?

[DMC]

are we just supposed to take your word for all this? considering your bias?
Since you've admitted you don't watch the games, I'd say so. Not sure who the "we" is you're referring to, unless you've been elected spokesperson for a group.

[DMC]

Steph's tank division like defense is stifling the Lakers right now.

[spurraider21]

so now the goalpost has been moved to "curry isn't an elite defender" :lol

i also wasn't aware he was defending Nick Young, Wes Johnson, and Ed Davis

[DMC]

so now the goalpost has been moved to "curry isn't an elite defender" :lol

i also wasn't aware he was defending Nick Young, Wes Johnson, and Ed Davis

That much seems obvious. Maybe they have him guarding Ronnie Price, he's a beast.

Matt Bonner is a defender. So is a traffic cone.

[spurraider21]

That much seems obvious. Maybe they have him guarding Ronnie Price, he's a beast.

Matt Bonner is a defender. So is a traffic cone.
the same ronnie price who shot 40% with 3 turnovers in a half? cool

[DMC]

the same ronnie price who shot 40% with 3 turnovers in a half? cool

I guess sarcasm isn't taught in your country.

[Jodelo]

I personally think Draymond Green needs to be traded or just benched. He doesn't fit.

:lmao

[Red Hawk #21]

Green and Steph absolutely shitting on OP, per the usual. Steph Curry with 32 Points, 12 Assists, 5 rebounds and 0 TO's.
Draymond Green with 16 Points, 11 Rebounds, 13 Assists, and 2 blocks.

How stupid does the OP feel? :rollin

[DMC]

:lmao
Took you two months to find a decent Draymond Green game.

[DMC]

Green and Steph absolutely shitting on OP, per the usual. Steph Curry with 32 Points, 12 Assists, 5 rebounds and 0 TO's.
Draymond Green with 16 Points, 11 Rebounds, 13 Assists, and 2 blocks.

How stupid does the OP feel? :rollin

Since it's a RS game and not a 1 game RS, not stupid at all. Can't expect a Hawks fan to understand basketball. We had to send our assistant coach to pull you out of the shitter.

[Calispursfan11]

Are you admitting Curry is efficient offensively while lacking in defensive ability?

[Jodelo]

Took you two months to find a decent Draymond Green game.

:lmao

[DMC]

Are you admitting Curry is efficient offensively while lacking in defensive ability?

He's been better this year, with the chucking tendency turning more into ball movement to find open shooters. He's not nearly the standout he was when I started this thread. The "phenom" talk has subsided because he's playing more within the offense instead of heroballing. Most impressive stat this season has been the zero turnover stat from last night's game. Still, he shoots a lot of 3's, but if those are open looks I don't have a problem with it.

[hater]

:lmao this grave is 10 feet deep :lol

[DMC]

:lmao this grave is 10 feet deep :lol
Thread is 2 years old.

:lol Getting shit on by Evita no sooner than the words were uttered..

[hater]

Thread is 2 years old.

:lol Getting shit on by Evita no sooner than the words were uttered..

Keep digging you might find oil dummy :lmao

[DMC]

Keep digging you might find oil dummy :lmao

Let's see where you are when the Warriors fold in the playoffs.

[Calispursfan11]

He's been better this year, with the chucking tendency turning more into ball movement to find open shooters. He's not nearly the standout he was when I started this thread. The "phenom" talk has subsided because he's playing more within the offense instead of heroballing. Most impressive stat this season has been the zero turnover stat from last night's game. Still, he shoots a lot of 3's, but if those are open looks I don't have a problem with it.

I think he's really good offensively this year but he still doesn't seem to have the body to be a great lockdown perimeter defender. I don't think he ever will. He's too slight and although I haven't seen many Warriors games this year, I'm sure he would get raped in the post by stronger point guards.

[DMC]

I think he's really good offensively this year but he still doesn't seem to have the body to be a great lockdown perimeter defender. I don't think he ever will. He's too slight and although I haven't seen many Warriors games this year, I'm sure he would get raped in the post by stronger point guards.
True, but the Warriors have one of the best defenses in the league, they are allowing the lowest FG% of any team in the league. They are 2nd in offense, and we can credit Steph with a lot of the offense, but defense is how they win games. That's not Steph.

[Red Hawk #21]

:lmao this grave is 10 feet deep :lol

:rollin

[StrengthAndHonor]

:lmao this grave is 10 feet deep :lol

[spurraider21]

so many goalposts moved i can't even keep track of what we're discussing atm

[DAF86]

Shot attempts

Curry-14
Barnes-14
Thompson-12
Green-10
Lee-10
Speights-8
Iguodala-7
Holiday-6
Livingston-3
Barbosa-3
Kuzmic-1

Assists

Curry-6
Iguodala-6
Green-5
Livingston-3
Holiday-3
Lee-2
Barbosa-1
Kuzmic-1

TO

Thompson-3
Curry-2
Livingston-2
Holiday-2
Green-1
Lee-1
Speights-1

[DAF86]

If he keeps this up Curry is a top 3 player in the NBA.


BTW, Warriors need to trade Lee. They would be better with a "stretch 4" kind of player.

These two things are happening right now, tbh.

[spurraider21]

i'm sure DMC will try to push the ":cry but he doesn't play defense! Honest! :cry" story even though its just an empty, unsupported statement

[spurraider21]

defense, rebound, bucket


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sc3McCgZRk

:cry so beautiful

[DAF86]

defense, rebound, bucket


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sc3McCgZRk

:cry so beautiful

Correction: Defense, rebound, getting to the lane and finishing. All things he supposedly can't do. :lol

[unleashbaynes]

Let's see where you are when the Warriors fold in the playoffs.

:cry nothing less than a championship will convince me that Curry is a valuable player! :cry

[Legacy]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24xmbTa9m1r3emia.gif

[Legacy]

http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/files/2013/01/rsz_1rsz_1curry_handles.jpg


That's my boy, lol! I've always loved Steph, and knew he would make it to The Playoffs one day! Never doubted it. Whether GS loses this series or not, going against The Spurs in The 2nd Round/WC Semis, it is just going to be even more experience underneath his belt. Simply. Deadly.

:cry He's growing up so fast. :cry

[spurraider21]

put on an absolute show


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ud_jVd1YF8

[spurraider21]

:cry nothing less than a championship will convince me that Curry is a valuable player! :cry
:cry if he's not on the all-defensive first team he's a failure on that end :cry

[MarioSpeedwagon]

lmao at this thread. first ten pages are solid gold imho

[DMC]

i'm sure DMC will try to push the ":cry but he doesn't play defense! Honest! :cry" story even though its just an empty, unsupported statement
Team defense beats a defensive PG any day. Warriors are getting it done on the team defense as evident by the opponent FG%.

Spread assists, spread shot attempts, spread the floor. That's what I've been saying since the start. Contain the chucking. Curry is the best shooter but not always the best option because he doesn't always have the best shot. So the notion that what is a bad attempt for anyone else is a good attempt for Curry doesn't seem to fly with Kerr. He can hit those but Kerr is looking for better ones and he's emphasizing defense (and they are actually playing defense). If you look at some of the box scores, Curry doesn't stand out. That's why people like Draymond Green and Speights are suddenly x-factors.

[hater]

Hate that little snotty nosed shit Elian gonzales. And klay Thompson that's the gayest duo in the NBA. Can't wait till some team puts them on their ass

But still :lol OP :lol

[DMC]

NEXT GAME


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SPLITS
GP
MPG
FG%
RPG
APG
BLKPG
STPG
PFPG
PPG


Last 10 Games
10
35.8
.497
3.7
8.0
0.0
0.8
2.2
21.0


February
10
35.9
.497
3.7
8.0
0.0
0.8
2.2
21.0


In Wins
35
36.3
.463
4.7
9.1
0.3
1.8
2.5
22.0


In Losses
20
39.2
.455
3.7
8.4
0.1
1.4
2.9
27.1





y Result
GP
MIN
FGM-FGA
FG%
3PM-3PA
3P%
FTM-FTA
FT%
OR
DR
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


In wins
27
32.9
8.1-16.3
.499
3.2-7.6
.420
4.1-4.4
.924
0.7
4.4
5.1
7.9
0.2
2.0
2.1
2.8
23.6


In losses
5
35.0
8.2-17.8
.461
1.6-7.4
.216
1.8-2.0
.900
0.4
4.8
5.2
6.8
0.0
2.8
2.4
5.6
19.8





Notice how the trend flipped? Now the team's fortunes are in line with Steph's. Up to now, the team's won more when Steph scored less. Now they win more when Steph scores more. That's because the ball is moving and others are involved (you'd see that in team stats).

[spurraider21]

You were claiming last year that they win/lose based on Curry's shooting and when I proved you wrong with the splits you were deflecting. Now that the stats line up with you, you're pounding your chest.

Ur a fool

[Expert]

You were claiming last year that they win/lose based on Curry's shooting and when I proved you wrong with the splits you were deflecting. Now that the stats line up with you, you're pounding your chest.

Ur a foolDon't paraphrase. Show me the quote or shut the fuck up.

[Expert]

No it's not. When Curry is taking a lot of shots, his team suffers thus the losses. When he's more of a distributor his team does better, thus the wins. The fact that his teammates' scoring averages are directly proportional to the wins while Curry's is inversely proportional is evidence of that, strong evidence in fact. Some of that could be lack of production despite the same amount of distribution, however that's not what the stats show.
What I said is true. When Curry takes a high volume of shots and has an off night, his team will most likely lose, however it has more to do with the fact that others aren't involved on the offensive end than with the fact that he's missing shots.


Evidence that the team's successes and failures follow the rest of the team's offensive performance, not Stephs.


Make up your mind. Blaming Curry's offense for their wins/losses then saying his teammates performance weighs more heavily is playing both sides. I was just refuting your comment which I quoted above. You said that due to curry's chucking ways they can't win if he has an off night, yet you just said their winning/losing hinges on the cast

Quotes....

[spurraider21]

If he's the focus on offense, it stands to reason that they will struggle if he's not on.


If everyone is standing around watching Curry shoot, what happens when Curry cannot hit a shot? Oh that's right, the team isn't prepared for that because they are riding Curry's chucking just as the Lakers rode Kobe's win or lose.

examples of you tying the warriors success to curry having good or bad shooting games last season, which was shown to be wrong by their win/loss splits. you then changed your argument to "well they do bad when he scores more"

you routinely move goalposts, and after a while it gets kind of boring

[DMC]

examples of you tying the warriors success to curry having good or bad shooting games last season, which was shown to be wrong by their win/loss splits. you then changed your argument to "well they do bad when he scores more"

you routinely move goalposts, and after a while it gets kind of boring

I've not moved the goal posts a single time. You just lack the capacity for abstract thought. The way you see the game is more simplistic than it really is. When Curry was taking ill advised shots without moving the ball around, his point production was inversely proportional to the team's success. On nights where he wasn't shooting as well and got others involved, the team won more games. Involved on offense means involved on defense. You either have to accept that or pretend that all the other guys on the floor were having bad shooting nights and Curry wasn't, so that he was forced to shoot more often. That's a line that Kobe supporters use for Kobe night in and night out.

I've made these things clear time and again. You need to clean up your argument since you really haven't even outlined your position other than to say you like Curry but don't watch him play. You disagree with my points but you haven't shown any stats to support your counter-claim, which you really don't even have one. You're in perpetual Philo mode, "nuh uh" to everything. No wonder you're bored, you don't even know how to play this game. The rest of the hit and run crowd have no idea what the argument really is, they just see "Curry sucks" and when he has a good night they pop in and say "lol OP" and that's it. That's about how much energy I spend on the retort as well.

[spurraider21]

you went from he chucks, to he controls the ball too much (even when he's passing a lot), your more recent shtick this year has been his turnovers, now his defense. you validate your claims because his team fell in the playoffs. "if you're right, he's an anomaly that will take his team to the finals." that sort of talk.

you're just trying to find constant flaws in his game every time one of them gets patched up. this thread has gone from "he's a chucker" to "he's not a guy who can lead a team to a title"

even when he had high assist numbers, you would make some bullshit, unvalidated claim like "well a lot of those are just from him dumping the ball because the clock is down and he has no option"

[DMC]

You respond 1 minute after I post regardless what time of day it happens to be. I'd say you have nothing but time, because your takes are too shitty for you to have anything to offer.

"but big picture..." Newsflash... this is the big picture: He's a chucker. He will always be a chucker until he gets in a program that moves the ball. He'd stand out like a turd in a punchbowl, like a spook in deer camp.

A dude who takes 32 shots in loss has a real hard time passing, it seems. His assists are due to the fact he only passes to Klay who then only shoots. The others play cleanup. Gee who does that sound like? Must not be Kobe, else you'd agree with the OP and shut your cockswabber. His last few seconds heave with a hand in his face that was put back by Lee is evidence he's more interested in heroics than in winning. Sure you can pretend he's the best player on the planet, but without team basketball, they are just a gimmicky team with a chucking PG.


He would have if he didn't turn it over so often.

There's a difference between a chucker and a volume shooter. Curry is a chucker because his shots are rarely in the flow of the game. He takes unwise shots. They cause long rebounds.

So he hits a few, the shot selection is still piss poor. When Jack and Klay can get into the paint and get to the line or score or both, why jack up a 30 foot 3 one on one after some crazy dribble move?


There's a difference between a chucker and a volume shooter. Curry is a chucker because his shots are rarely in the flow of the game. He takes unwise shots. They cause long rebounds.

This is quoted from above. Read first, then ask questions. Even here you posted this and posted again after you read what I posted. Good job making such a conclusion without being familiar with the material.


A few pages back I differentiated between a volume shooter and a chucker, so no new ground is being broken here. Curry's shots often don't come in the flow of the offense. I don't see how a 29' step back contested three could come in the flow of the offense.

Curry took 15 real 3s in his last game, 1 was a last second heave I won't count. That's a shit ton of 3 pt shots for one person to take. He ended up with 32 FGA in a non-OT game. As the PG, that's playing hero ball and having 4 other people basically standing around watching. That has an effect on how they play defense, even if it's just a slight dropoff.


For future reference, I've said a volume shooter and a chucker are two different creatures. It's the flow of the offense that dictates the shot attempt. For example, Kevin Love took a lot of shots against the Spurs, but they were in the flow of the offense. Curry's shots are often with 3 defenders draped on him. Even Hubie called him out on it.

For the record.

Dude is a chucker, cannot defend for shit, has his moments where he hits unbelievable shots, but that style of offense isn't going to get them anywhere. He's a hero baller. Some of that shit he was throwing up there last night was wild as fuck.


Right, but if you look at how the balance of the offense shifted to bigs during this stretch, you can see that having a PG heavy scoring game isn't how they've gotten here. I don't think anyone thinks Curry is a shitty PG. I think he needs to move the ball more and I've no problem with him taking the volume of shots he's been taking if they are in the flow of the offense instead of that high screen/semi successful play they've run for so long.

In wins this season, Steph has averaged over 10 assists per game. In losses he's averaged just above 8. On the flip side, in wins he's averaged 20.5pts a game, 13th in the league, while in losses he's averaged a league leading 29pts. Some of that is due to Iggy being out, but it's also an indication that although he has the ability to score a lot of points, the team's best results come when he doesn't. We've seen that be the case with Kobe as well, and many have refused to admit it, blaming the team instead (no other scoring options). Sometimes that's the case but not always. The same group who wins when he scores less loses when he scores more. I think that's because they don't defend as well and because the guy who they are covering didn't have to do work on defense.


I've already made my case, I'm providing evidence that box score people like you understand. As the season unfolds, have I been proven more right or more wrong?

Two facts you need to accept:

1. Curry takes the most 3's of anyone in the NBA
2. Curry is 47th in 3pt %

Shooting contested 28' 3s at a rate higher than anyone in the NBA and with 47th place results is the very definition of a chucker. It's like a batter who swings at every pitch, and he has the most strikeouts but the most homers as well. His on base percentage is very low, and he's hurting his team but he's boosting his individual HR numbers. Curry is boosting his PPG, but he's not helping the team by shooting 3s at that clip, and his % for as good of a shooter as he is, is indicative of poor shot selection and still deciding he's a better option at 28' than someone else at 18 or even at the rim.

Blame that on the coach, I have to an extent, but the PG is the decision maker on the floor, and it's not even volume of shots tbh but shot selection. If he was getting to the rim and took 25 a game, even if he missed a bunch of them, those are good shots to take. Chuckers don't seem have that "good shot to take" dialed in and their window is wide open.


Curry leads the league in 3pt attempts yet he's 29th in 3pt%. Klay is 2nd in attempts and shoots just above Curry in %.

I've addressed the volume shooter vs chucker aspect. You're just going back down the same path without regard to it.


I've already covered the volume shooters. You basically differentiated between Kobe and Curry because of the volume shooting. Kobe's shots were primarily 2pt shots. He was never an elite 3pt shooter. He did chuck from out there, especially in crunch time situations, however he got most of his shots inside the arc and at the rim. Curry doesn't take a lot of shots inside the arc. This year he's averaging over 8 3pt shots a game and only 5 2pt shots. Kobe, on the other hand, even in years when he's led the league in scoring, took 1600 2pt shots, and only 324 3pt shots. So for that reason you cannot compare Steph's volume shooting to Kobe's. You also cannot dismiss a 3pt shot attempt as if it's the same as a layup attempt. It's not. It doesn't make the defense work unless you've moved the ball around and found the open shooter, and because of Steph's assist numbers, it's evident the ball only moves one time before the shot unless you think Steph is the only person on the team who can pass to an open shooter.

So your stats do not indicate anything you think they do. However, the fact that Steph takes the most 3pt shots in the league, and is barely in the top 30 in 3pt% is a telling stat. It says at least one of two possibilities is true: either Steph is taking unwise shots or he's not that good of a 3pt shooter. We both know he's a great 3pt shooter, so that leaves the shot selection.


I've already shown you that volume shooting and chucking are two different things.

See if you can find the common thread in these quotes... Maybe eventually it'll sink though that mongol skull of yours.

[DMC]

you went from he chucks, to he controls the ball too much (even when he's passing a lot), your more recent shtick this year has been his turnovers, now his defense. you validate your claims because his team fell in the playoffs. "if you're right, he's an anomaly that will take his team to the finals." that sort of talk.

He was a chucker when I said he was a chucker.

He never "controlled" the ball too much, he just overdribbled and heaved from 30' unless the entire team was defending him at which time Klay would get a look.

His turnovers are/were a product of his chucking. He looks for his shot, gets in trouble and tries to pass out of double coverage. They aren't coming from running set plays.

His team fell because he chucked them out of it. Don't credit Curry for the wins and blame the team for the losses. Several pages back I blamed Jackson for the team's woes. He subsequently was fired.

You seem to think he's the exception to the "ball movement" and "involvement on offense" rule. Ergo he should win the Finals every year.

I am not looking for flaws in his game. Other teams point those out in the playoffs just fine. I made an observation that, one year later, ESPN and TNT analysts pointed out as well when all the nut hugging subsided.

High assist numbers for the same person indicates stagnant offense. Anyone who knows basketball knows this. There are exceptions like when the opponent is overwhelmed by an inside presence like Shaq and the PG can just feed him the ball and collect dimes all night. Curry's assists most often came because he was out of options so he dumped off after being shut down in the paint or he passed to Klay who never saw a shot attempt he didn't like. Do you believe that balancing the assists helps balance the offense and that a balanced offensive attack is a successful one most of the time on a non-Shaq/MJ team? Or do you believe a shoot first PG will carry a team to the Finals? The Finals is what's at stake here, fuck your regular season 3pt records and all the meaningless shit.

[spurraider21]

You seem to think he's the exception to the "ball movement" and "involvement on offense" rule. Ergo he should win the Finals every year.
:lmao

[DMC]

:lmao

That's telling me. The jury will love that. Hate to have you as an attorney.

[spurraider21]

That's telling me. The jury will love that. Hate to have you as an attorney.
yes because i'm practicing law here. excellent dot connections.

laughable comments deserve laughs. and that's what your's got

[DMC]

yes because i'm practicing law here. excellent dot connections.

laughable comments deserve laughs. and that's what your's got
You sit there hitting the refresh button and respond within a couple minutes any time, day or night, like you're running a telethon.

[spurraider21]

He was a chucker when I said he was a chucker.
i respectfully disagree. that being said, are you going to acknowledge that right now, he isn't a chucker?

He never "controlled" the ball too much, he just overdribbled and heaved from 30' unless the entire team was defending him at which time Klay would get a look.
another baseless, unsubstantiated claim. you just say this as if its obvious and true, but you have nothing to support it

His turnovers are/were a product of his chucking. He looks for his shot, gets in trouble and tries to pass out of double coverage. They aren't coming from running set plays.

His team fell because he chucked them out of it.
see above

Don't credit Curry for the wins and blame the team for the losses. Several pages back I blamed Jackson for the team's woes. He subsequently was fired.
i've criticized curry plenty, especially in games with high turnover totals.

You seem to think he's the exception to the "ball movement" and "involvement on offense" rule.
no, i don't think he's the exception to any of those. i never thought he was the ball-stopper you made him out to be in the first place

Ergo he should win the Finals every year.
:lmao

I am not looking for flaws in his game. Other teams point those out in the playoffs just fine. I made an observation that, one year later, ESPN and TNT analysts pointed out as well when all the nut hugging subsided.
you point out his chucking, his turnovers, and recently his "lack of defense"... i dont know how that isn't "looking for flaws in his game." that being said, i've never made him out to be flawless either. you're just not a fan and that's fine. but throwing out lazy arguments like "his turnovers are a result of his chucking" is just stupid

Curry's assists most often came because he was out of options so he dumped off after being shut down in the paint or he passed to Klay who never saw a shot attempt he didn't like.
another baseless, unsubstantiated claim. you just say this as if its obvious and true, but you have nothing to support it

Do you believe that balancing the assists helps balance the offense and that a balanced offensive attack is a successful one most of the time on a non-Shaq/MJ team? Or do you believe a shoot first PG will carry a team to the Finals?
moving the ball around certainly helps. the warriors are a team loaded with good passers, which is why i'm high on them. Bogut and Green are averaging nearly 7 combined assists per game. David Lee hasn't really been used much this year yet, but he's a very good passer. spread out assist totals can reflect on the team though. a team full of good passers, like the spurs or warriors, can do that better than other teams.

my thoughts on this are independent of stephen curry and his ability. if the previous coach implemented a very iso-heavy system, that is not a reflection of the players ability or willingness to pass. Curry has been a willing passer, and the new offense has enabled him to do so even more.


The Finals is what's at stake here, fuck your regular season 3pt records and all the meaningless shit.
so you're just going to boil it down to rings? you're more like thread than you think. that's just being lazy. you can open a thread for every good nba player that hasn't won a ring and say "lol theyre overrated" and pretend you are right until they win a ring.

[DMC]

1. I don't have LP now, haven't watched him play this year
2. I don't need to support it. They lost, his coach was fired, that's good enough. It's an abstract concept and you're not good with the abstract.
3. You've done the textual equivalent of a wince. You began to worship Steph when he was scoring a lot of points on crazy outside shots. I don't expect you to understand team concepts.
4. You admitted you rarely watched him play, so your take is based on box scores and montages by other isoball groupies.
5. I watched the games. I didn't watch so I could find flaws in his game. I guess I watch the Spurs so I can find flaws in their game as well.
6. If ball movement is the key to the Warriors' offense, Curry's chucking is the antithesis. The same could be said about assists. What's the odds the best shot is always one pass away from the PG?
7. Blah blah blah it's not Curry's fault... whatever.
8. It always boils down to playing ball the right way which is indicated by rings. You play the right way if you have the right pieces and you get hardware to show for it, or at least you make a legit run at it. That chucking shit that causes them to peter out in the 2nd round is a gimmick. Besides, I broke down the team's game, the stats, the tendencies and used an advanced approach to "hero" stats like points and assists. You see those stats and think "he had a great game", because you don't understand the nuances of the game. You just latch on to certain players and stat watch. It's ok, you have a lot of company here.

[spurraider21]

"i claim to watch more games therefore everything I say is accurate even if I can't back it up"

[DMC]

"i claim to watch more games therefore everything I say is accurate even if I can't back it up"

Since you don't you have to take my word for it.

[spurraider21]

Like when you said draymond green won't fit? :lol

[Kool Bob Love]

http://youtu.be/YjU7BYcJwIw

[Franklin]

High assist numbers for the same person indicates stagnant offense. Anyone who knows basketball knows this. There are exceptions like when the opponent is overwhelmed by an inside presence like Shaq and the PG can just feed him the ball and collect dimes all night. Curry's assists most often came because he was out of options so he dumped off after being shut down in the paint or he passed to Klay who never saw a shot attempt he didn't like. Do you believe that balancing the assists helps balance the offense and that a balanced offensive attack is a successful one most of the time on a non-Shaq/MJ team? Or do you believe a shoot first PG will carry a team to the Finals? The Finals is what's at stake here, fuck your regular season 3pt records and all the meaningless shit.
I probably don't know much about basketball but are you indicating that the teams Jason Kidd had played for mostly played stagnant offense? same applies to Nash and Paul as well?

[spurraider21]

I probably don't know much about basketball but are you indicating that the teams Jason Kidd had played for mostly played stagnant offense? same applies to Nash and Paul as well?
and the showtime lakers

[StrengthAndHonor]

Like when you said draymond green won't fit? :lol

[Jodelo]

Like when you said draymond green won't fit? :lol

One of the worst takes of all time.

[unleashbaynes]

Slightly shorter Brandon Roy.

[Phillip]

DMC, with the bads

[kamikazi_player]

Sometimes you just gotta admit defeat..just say it was a stupid take and move on

[DMC]

Like when you said draymond green won't fit? :lol
I said he doesn't fit, not that he won't fit. Learn our language if you're going to squat over here.

[DMC]

I probably don't know much about basketball but are you indicating that the teams Jason Kidd had played for mostly played stagnant offense? same applies to Nash and Paul as well?

Predictable offenses. Nash, Paul = zero rings. highest assist guy in the game ever, Stockton.. zero rings. Run of the mill assist guy Tony Parker, 4 rings. Kidd got one because he played with Dirk. Didn't do so hot prior to that. In fact, Kidd's 8.2 assists per game in 2011 were the lowest he'd averaged since his 2nd year in the league.

[spurraider21]

I said he doesn't fit, not that he won't fit. Learn our language if you're going to squat over here.
when in doubt, attack grammar/semantics

[spurraider21]

They are all getting better and better, he doesn't fit into their scheme. He's the odd man out. Trust me on this.
good thing the warriors brass didn't

[RsxPiimp]

Magic- 5 NBA titles
Isiah - 2 more NBA titles


:lol

[DMC]

good thing the warriors brass didn't

Goddamn dude, are you sitting at your PC hitting refresh all hours of the day? You responded to that already, did you just think of something new and figure it was pithy? It's not. Warriors brass hired Mark Jackson, ya know.

[DMC]

Magic- 5 NBA titles
Isiah - 2 more NBA titles


:lol

Needing to go back 35 years to find an example of a successful high assist PG. :lol

PG who can play center... :lol

Born squinting.. :lol

[DMC]

when in doubt, attack grammar/semantics

Not semantics. Saying you don't have something isn't the same as saying you won't have it, immigrant.

[RsxPiimp]

I'm ordering a casket for you this June DMC, there's no way you can recover from all this if the Warriors wins it all this year tbh:lol

[DMC]

I'm ordering a casket for you this June DMC, there's no way you can recover from all this if the Warriors wins it all this year tbh:lol
Warriors won't win it all this year. You want an ELE bet right now?

[RsxPiimp]

Warriors won't win it all this year. You want an ELE bet right now?

Oh I don't do ELE bro. But we'll wait and see.

[DMC]

Oh I don't do ELE bro. But we'll wait and see.
You don't believe it either... lol too "yellow" to bet.

[RsxPiimp]

You don't believe it either... lol too "yellow" to bet.

Too cheap. I need to Western Union 30% of my paycheck back home monthly. I'm buying an Island.

[DMC]

Too cheap. I need to Western Union 30% of my paycheck back home monthly. I'm buying an Island.
Cheap? Dumb chink, ELE is Extinction Level Event... you basically never post here again. The only island you can afford is Thousand Islands and even then only the travel size.

[Franklin]

No, no one talked about rings, DMC. You said that high assist numbers for the same person indicates stagnant offense, but I doubt such offense as that featured by 05-07 suns was nearly stagnant, tbh. But how come PG-led teams never rings? You may contact DoK for authorized answers, he first introduced this theory (as well as the term "monkeyball"), you're just a coattail rider of him.

[spurraider21]

:cry
i'm really sorry that you were wrong about Draymond Green

[DMC]

No, no one talked about rings, DMC. You said that high assist numbers for the same person indicates stagnant offense, but I doubt such offense as that featured by 05-07 suns was nearly stagnant, tbh. But how come PG-led teams never rings? You may contact DoK for authorized answers, he first introduced this theory (as well as the term "monkeyball"), you're just a coattail rider of him.

You're the one who tried to credit that to me and I deferred it to DoK. Don't act all preggers now.

[Arcadian]

The fuck? Why has this gone 20 pages on the maximum posts/page setting?

[spurraider21]

The fuck? Why has this gone 20 pages on the maximum posts/page setting?
because Philo

[DMC]

because Philo
^

[MarioSpeedwagon]

The fuck? Why has this gone 20 pages on the maximum posts/page setting?

OP never admits he's wrong apparently

[DMC]

OP never admits he's wrong apparently
I will when they ring, I promise, but not wrong about where they were when I created this thread. I'll say I am wrong about something, I'll need time to think of something.

[spurraider21]

This thread isn't called "The Warriors will never win a ring with Stephen Curry"

they could have won a championship and you could still have been right about Curry. but you were wrong about Curry... and more recently Draymond Green.

[DMC]

This thread isn't called "The Warriors will never win a ring with Stephen Curry"

they could have won a championship and you could still have been right about Curry. but you were wrong about Curry... and more recently Draymond Green.

No I was right. He changed his game style a bit, Kerr lowered his minutes a bit, not too many 4th quarter chuck fests this season. Thread was created 2 years ago, but you're using this season as "evidence". Draymond Green is a loser, you'll see.

Now it's off to the toilet to see if I can pinch out a Philo or two, and do you know if you float or sink?

[Josh McRoberts]

DMC is banking on the Warriors not winning the championship so he could be "proven right" when he's been wrong for over a year or so now.

29 teams aren't gonna win the championship, but that doesn't mean that you're not dead wrong about Steph and Draymond, old man DMC.

[ClipperLuva]

DMC is banking on the Warriors not winning the championship so he could be "proven right" when he's been wrong for over a year or so now.

29 teams aren't gonna win the championship, but that doesn't mean that you're not dead wrong about Steph and Draymond, old man DMC.

Hiding behind an alias to shit talk = alpha

[Hemotivo]

:reading

[spurraider21]

No I was right. He changed his game style a bit, Kerr lowered his minutes a bit, not too many 4th quarter chuck fests this season. Thread was created 2 years ago, but you're using this season as "evidence". Draymond Green is a loser, you'll see.

Now it's off to the toilet to see if I can pinch out a Philo or two, and do you know if you float or sink?
lol so if draymond green doesn't win a championship with the warriors this season, that means you were right and he didn't fit.

and i'm sure Tim Duncan didn't fit on the Spurs in 2013

[ClipperLuva]

lol so if draymond green doesn't win a championship with the warriors this season, that means you were right and he didn't fit.

and i'm sure Tim Duncan didn't fit on the Spurs in 2013

Pop didn't think so, at least not at the end of game 6.

[Red Hawk #21]

You don't believe it either... lol too "yellow" to bet.


Cheap? Dumb chink, ELE is Extinction Level Event... you basically never post here again. The only island you can afford is Thousand Islands and even then only the travel size.


You're the one who tried to credit that to me and I deferred it to DoK. Don't act all preggers now.


I will when they ring, I promise, but not wrong about where they were when I created this thread. I'll say I am wrong about something, I'll need time to think of something.


No I was right. He changed his game style a bit, Kerr lowered his minutes a bit, not too many 4th quarter chuck fests this season. Thread was created 2 years ago, but you're using this season as "evidence". Draymond Green is a loser, you'll see.

Now it's off to the toilet to see if I can pinch out a Philo or two, and do you know if you float or sink?


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24xmbTa9m1r3emia.gif

[Splits]

Damn, DMC breaking out all his alts

[ClipperLuva]

Damn, DMC breaking out all his alts
Just keeping up with the Joneses

[Franklin]

You're the one who tried to credit that to me and I deferred it to DoK. Don't act all preggers now.
still hardly justifies your statement "high assist numbers for the same person indicates stagnant offense', imho.

[Jodelo]

DMC :lmao


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24xmbTa9m1r3emia.gif

[DMC]

still hardly justifies your statement "high assist numbers for the same person indicates stagnant offense', imho.

"There are exceptions like when the opponent is overwhelmed by an inside presence like Shaq and the PG can just feed him the ball and collect dimes all night."

Don't forget that next sentence...

[FlAVaK]

Steph Curry is the fastest to 1,000 3s in NBA history (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/steph-curry-is-the-fastest-to-1000-3s-in-nba-history-051137205.html)

[Franklin]

"There are exceptions like when the opponent is overwhelmed by an inside presence like Shaq and the PG can just feed him the ball and collect dimes all night."

Don't forget that next sentence...
So the prime Jason Kidd also had someone like Shaq in the paint to pass the ball to and hence to pump up his assist numbers? Are you referring to Jason Collins or someone else?

Of course, you can say something like "there're other examples besides the shaq one, exceptions was just general speaking with no specific reference", but then there would be limitless exceptions of such kind and therefore your previous statement would be meaningless, imho.

[DMC]

So the prime Jason Kidd also had someone like Shaq in the paint to pass the ball to and hence to pump up his assist numbers? Are you referring to Jason Collins or someone else?

The prime 'ason Kidd didn't win shit.

The old worn the fuck out Jason Kidd won a ring with the lowest assist numbers he's had since his 2nd year in the league.


Of course, you can say something like "there're other examples besides the shaq one, exceptions was just general speaking with no specific reference", but then there would be limitless exceptions of such kind and therefore your previous statement would be meaningless, imho.
If I didn't make exceptions, folks like you would bring those up. High assists for one guy means one pass and a shot most of the time. The SSOL was often one pass and a shot, often a dump off after Nash drove under the basket, often to Amare. When the team shares the assists they are finding the better shot, the ball moves freely because there's no stat padding PG looking to boost his assists.

[DMC]

Steph Curry is the fastest to 1,000 3s in NBA history (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/steph-curry-is-the-fastest-to-1000-3s-in-nba-history-051137205.html)

That and a 2.00 will buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

[unleashbaynes]

Lol wrong

[RsxPiimp]

DMC :lol

[sook]

Mo williams scored 50 before too.

Curry is a good player, but the media love is ridiculous. Some dude was on record stating that Curry is better than Nash ever was. I totally forgot about all of Curry's playoff series ---moments and wins..

[sook]

one of you fuckers without a life that has a twitter account reply to this faggot.

https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/563209989766914048

[Killakobe81]

Steph is good. I get the love for pass first guys but when you can shoot like he can you can live with a few irrational heat checks. He still takes some bad shots so DMC was right he would be better or at least more efficient without those ...but As great as a soaring dunk is when a guy gets hot like Curry can nothing is better to watch in hoops. It changes a building. at home the crowd goes nuts the team even without getting touches is energized. The problem is when those shots dont fall.

But i love the way y'all bump this after every big Steph game, because DMC sometimes acts a gaping asshole that is mad at the world even if I do find him funny at times. SO carry-on.

[hater]

DMC :lol

:lmao

[DMC]

Curry had a great game. More impressive than his scoring outburst was the low turnover total and the spreading of assists. Guys have scoring nights, but consistency on assists and low turnovers changes what otherwise could have been a side note (Curry's point total in a loss) to a headliner (Curry's point total leads to win). That's what you guys should take away from this.

[in2deep]

another great take from the thinktank that is spurstalk

[Killakobe81]

Curry had a great game. More impressive than his scoring outburst was the low turnover total and the spreading of assists. Guys have scoring nights, but consistency on assists and low turnovers changes what otherwise could have been a side note (Curry's point total in a loss) to a headliner (Curry's point total leads to win). That's what you guys should take away from this.

A solid post lacks the normal venom, DMC. Where is this guy 90% of the time?

[spurraider21]

Curry had a great game. More impressive than his scoring outburst was the low turnover total and the spreading of assists. Guys have scoring nights, but consistency on assists and low turnovers changes what otherwise could have been a side note (Curry's point total in a loss) to a headliner (Curry's point total leads to win). That's what you guys should take away from this.
you seem to worry too much about the post-game headlines and not enough about the games themselves. there have been games where both curry and klay have good games and you were upset the headlines mentioned curry. just appreciate the good ball the team plays

[mavsfan1000]

He's like Nash and Kobe all in one.

[DMC]

you seem to worry too much about the post-game headlines and not enough about the games themselves. there have been games where both curry and klay have good games and you were upset the headlines mentioned curry. just appreciate the good ball the team plays

So this is a trend you've noticed from one post? The point of my post, you fucktard, is that having a big game and winning is a turnaround from having a big game and losing. Last year Stephs point production was inversely proportional with the team's wins. Steph scored more in losses than in wins. When his coach can find a way to turn chucking into wins, that's an accomplishment. I don't expect you to get any of that though, dipshit.

[DMC]

A solid post lacks the normal venom, DMC. Where is this guy 90% of the time?
Fucking your girl while you're at work, saving up for her new purse.

[moisaenz]

Curry is going to end up like ray allen at the end of his career just a clutch shooter... As much as I hate kobe.......curry wont be like kobe..much less like nash, when carry makes an overrated player like stoudamire better then he can have the applause..

[Venti Quattro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ5t7FHhik4

:lmao losing to the 10 year-old kid

[Splits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ5t7FHhik4

:lmao losing to the 10 year-old kid

:lmao

[Splits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ5t7FHhik4

:lmao losing to the 10 year-old kid


Only that’s not what happened. What actually transpired was that Bryant became increasingly geeked as the night went on, watching all these kids chuck up jumpers. First he began dribbling a ball between his legs. Then he bit his lip. Then, when the show was supposed to be wrapping up, he grabbed the mike from the emcee. “They probably haven’t seen me play in a while, so we’ll do a little one-on-one game,” Kobe said, and this was true because no one had seen him play in over a year. Not Gotham. Not his handlers. “We used to call the game ‘sunrise’ in Philly,” Bryant continued. “Whoever scores stays on.

”The two emcees were surprised but went with it as Kobe extricated himself from his headset and took some practice shots. Then Bryant handpicked the three best opponents among the 30 campers and they began a rotating game of one-on-one, winner stays on, to five buckets. The crowd, as you can imagine, went bonkers. At first Kobe looked rusty. Really rusty. His jumpers hit the front iron. He threw up an air ball. He ended up backing down the kids and shooting five-foot jump hooks. It looked as if maybe his comeback was not as far along as advertised. Then, slowly, Bryant came alive. He sunk deep into a stance on D, he chased down long rebounds, pivoted and fired up high-arcing baseline fadeaways.

Against a particularly *frenetic guard, he backed him down, then dribbled around the kid’s back and spun to score, sending the crowd and emcees into spasms of joy. This is what they came to see. As Kobe will explain later, “They want to know what it’s like to actually see it, up close. To have that experience.”


There was only one problem with the narrative: Kobe lost. This is the part you don’t see on the viral videos. He thought he had the game in hand, with four points tallied in a game to five. Then the tallest of the Chinese kids, wearing a number 10 jersey, sank an impressive 17-foot fadeaway bank shot on Kobe to score his third point. After which number 10 proceeded to score on the other two kids while Kobe watched helplessly from the sidelines. Ballgame. Some random Chinese kid just beat Kobe in a one-on-one contest.

[Venti Quattro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6o8PbAsGKA

[DMC]

http://f.tqn.com/y/shoes/1/S/h/b/stephon_marbury_crossover_le_g_.jpg

[DAF86]

I thought somebody would bump this thread after yesterday's game.

[DMC]

It starts deceptively gentle.. "just the tip" I'll say. The Curry folks will capitulate and it will be duly noted. They will relax the sphincter just a bit and I'll drive it to the balls, dry. The screaming will be deafening, and victim support groups will be formed around here. Soon it will be taboo to even mention it, it will be as if no one ever offered up their ass to me.

[DAF86]

It starts deceptively gentle.. "just the tip" I'll say. The Curry folks will capitulate and it will be duly noted. They will relax the sphincter just a bit and I'll drive it to the balls, dry. The screaming will be deafening, and victim support groups will be formed around here. Soon it will be taboo to even mention it, it will be as if no one ever offered up their ass to me.

Where do you see the Warriors losing in the PO, tbh?