Yahoo: Spurs' talks for Andrei Kirilenko end without deal

[Leetonidas]

A billionaire who wants in will get in...and a few million here or there is peanuts to the haves. You must be a have not hoping against hope that your reality (i.e., the Spurs) will forever be around. Get a life, son. But, then, one less starry-eyed sheeple won't make a difference. So go ahead, keep your priorities screwed. Now, back to real life.
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[Leetonidas]

No. Literally, this is what the Spurs had to be hoping would happen. Now if the Wolves use their MLE on Brewer, they can get the players they want without having to renounce Kirilenko. That gives the Spurs time to work out a sign-and-trade. Had the team not used a trade exception, then they would have had to renounce AK, which WOULD have killed the deal.


Chinook with the goods per par. Let's hope things will fall into place

[monkeypunk]

Bunch of emo posters getting put on the ignore list due to this thread, imo...

[coyotes_geek]

So he's a free agent now and we couldn't have gotten him without a sign and trade because we blew our money on Pendergraph and Manu/Splitter correct?

I'd say it was more of a case of the Spurs not thinking that it would be worth it to make all the moves that they would have to make in order to clear enough cap space to sign AK. I had a post on that scenario a couple of pages back, and basically the Spurs would have had to run off a third of the roster to do it once you account for waiving/renouncing/trading Bonner, Blair, Neal, DeColo, Mills and maybe even Joseph too.

[spurraider21]

Do it Mitch!

[Leetonidas]

Bunch of emo posters getting put on the ignore list due to this thread, imo...
that'll show them!

[coyotes_geek]

No. Literally, this is what the Spurs had to be hoping would happen. Now if the Wolves use their MLE on Brewer, they can get the players they want without having to renounce Kirilenko. That gives the Spurs time to work out a sign-and-trade. Had the team not used a trade exception, then they would have had to renounce AK, which WOULD have killed the deal.

Teams over the cap can't just make a trade to take on a $7 mil salary without having to send any salary out. If Minnesota made this trade while being over the cap, they'd have had to match salaries. That means more players and a 3rd team would have to be involved since we know OKC didn't take any salary back.

If Minnesota made this trade while being under the cap, they'd have had to have the cap space to take on that $7 mil salary. The only way they could do that would be to renounce AK and get his $11.7 mil cap hold off their books.

[Chinook]

Not to mention, Minnesota finds themselves in need of a point-guard all of the sudden. They just have Rubio and Barea on the roster right now. I'm better De Colo looks attractive to them after this trade. All the Spurs need to do is find a team to take Bonner, and they're golden.

[Chinook]

Teams over the cap can't just make a trade to take on a $7 mil salary without having to send any salary out. If Minnesota made this trade while being over the cap, they'd have had to match salaries. That means more players and a 3rd team would have to be involved since we know OKC didn't take any salary back.

If Minnesota made this trade while being under the cap, they'd have had to have the cap space to take on that $7 mil salary. The only way they could do that would be to renounce AK and get his $11.7 mil cap hold off their books.

They traded Ridnour for Martin. The salaries JUST BARELY match. Ridnour makes $4.32 Million this season. 150 percent of that plus $100k gives them $6.58 Million in salary they can take back. The first year of a $28M/4 deal with 4.5-percent raises is $6.56 Million. It works, just by the skin of its teeth.

[Leetonidas]

Hawks could honestly use Bonner to stretch the floor off the bench with Millsap/Horford as their starters imo

[xmas1997]

Teams over the cap can't just make a trade to take on a $7 mil salary without having to send any salary out. If Minnesota made this trade while being over the cap, they'd have had to match salaries. That means more players and a 3rd team would have to be involved since we know OKC didn't take any salary back.

If Minnesota made this trade while being under the cap, they'd have had to have the cap space to take on that $7 mil salary. The only way they could do that would be to renounce AK and get his $11.7 mil cap hold off their books.


No. Literally, this is what the Spurs had to be hoping would happen. Now if the Wolves use their MLE on Brewer, they can get the players they want without having to renounce Kirilenko. That gives the Spurs time to work out a sign-and-trade. Had the team not used a trade exception, then they would have had to renounce AK, which WOULD have killed the deal.

Geez, I'm more confused than ever now.
So what are the realistic options to get him then?

[DesignatedT]

Not to mention, Minnesota finds themselves in need of a point-guard all of the sudden. They just have Rubio and Barea on the roster right now. I'm better De Colo looks attractive to them after this trade. All the Spurs need to do is find a team to take Bonner, and they're golden.

Bonner would have to be moved or is an amnesty still a possibility under this scenario?

[Chinook]

Bonner would have to be moved or is an amnesty still a possibility under this scenario?

Traded. Amnesty won't work.

[Chinook]

Geez, I'm more confused than ever now.
So what are the realistic options to get him then?


They traded Ridnour for Martin. The salaries JUST BARELY match. Ridnour makes $4.32 Million this season. 150 percent of that plus $100k gives them $6.58 Million in salary they can take back. The first year of a $28M/4 deal with 4.5-percent raises is $6.56 Million. It works, just by the skin of its teeth.

[elemento]

Traded. Amnesty won't work.

Is there still a possibility that Bonner accepted to change his guaranteed money day ? Because I don't think it's an easy task to move Bonner's 4m salary this season without sending a major incentive.

[poop]

This thread is starting to resemble a complex math equation. I'm lost

[Chinook]

Is there still a possibility that Bonner accepted to change his guaranteed money day ? Because I don't think it's an easy task to move Bonner's 4m salary this season without sending a major incentive.

It's not, which is why I don't think the trade will happen. The Spurs will probably have to pay a pick or Jean-Charles for a team to take Bonner. But the good news is that De Colo may be enough for the Wolves to trade Kirilenko without a pick.

[rjv]

if i could make an analogy-the potential acquistion of AK seems to have gone from a cancer patient who had a 50/50 shot to now considering the latest experimental chemo with little chance of success. that is, we seem to be grasping for hope.

[K-State Spur]

Is there still a possibility that Bonner accepted to change his guaranteed money day ? Because I don't think it's an easy task to move Bonner's 4m salary this season without sending a major incentive.

Not that difficult. Now, difficult to do without taking shit you don't want (probably for a longer timespan) back in return - sure.

[Seventyniner]

The scenarios would be much easier to figure out if we knew about what starting salary AK is looking for.

I would imagine that AK and the Spurs have agreed on a contract in principle if everything else shakes out the right way. The Spurs wouldn't go through all these gyrations only to have AK back out at the last minute.

[cd98]

Now Minny wants to sign Ronny Turiaf? Don't they know we can send them Blair or Bonner?

[benefactor]

Now Minny wants to sign Ronny Turiaf? Don't they know we can send them Blair or Bonner?
Bonner is more expensive and Blair isn't better than Turiaf.

[SpursSerb]

So are the Cavs now out of race for AK?

[CaptainLate]

And somehow this thread will still top 50 pages.

If the AK issue is resolved today, I don't see how that could happen...unless people keep responding to non-AK47 comments (e.g., whether the Spurs will be moving or not). :lmao

[Man In Black]

I will let the cap geniuses project out. While they may not always be right, it's such an interesting study. It would seem that Larry Coon has created an army of hardcore cap enthusiasts. I think that's pretty cool.

Let's get AK-47 and if not...then I guess Greg Oden?

[cd98]

Bonner is more expensive and Blair isn't better than Turiaf.

I think Blair is as good as Turiaf, if not better. Turiaf has been declining since his Laker days. That said, he is doing well on his bid to play for every team in the NBA.

[ducks]

The scenarios would be much easier to figure out if we knew about what starting salary AK is looking for.

I would imagine that AK and the Spurs have agreed on a contract in principle if everything else shakes out the right way. The Spurs wouldn't go through all these gyrations only to have AK back out at the last minute.it was reported arond 8-9

[HarlemHeat37]

Blair is much better than Turiaf, tbh, but they play different roles..Minnesota needs a shot blocker, obviously, since their bigs are Pekovic and Love, while they just lost Steimmsma and seemingly on the verge of losing Kirilenko..

[Poolboy5623]

What does Blair do better than turiaf?

[HarlemHeat37]

He's levels better as a scorer, rebounder and passer, tbh..better post game, better handles, better finishing ability, etc..

[elemento]

It's not, which is why I don't think the trade will happen. The Spurs will probably have to pay a pick or Jean-Charles for a team to take Bonner. But the good news is that De Colo may be enough for the Wolves to trade Kirilenko without a pick.

How do you feel about Utah as a parter? I mean, they're clearly tanking for Wiggins and they had no problems to take Jefferson + Biendrins (20m in total) for 2 future 1st round picks. They still have cap space to take Bonner and SA is obviously pretty close to Lindsay.

Let's say Minny gets Nando for AK in a S&T and SA sends Bonner to Utah for a future 1st. How much could SA offer to AK ? I think 8m is the MIN he would accept.

[Poolboy5623]

Blair doesn't play?

[ducks]

lol if clippers sign blair for 1.6

[Chinook]

How do you feel about Utah as a parter? I mean, they're clearly tanking for Wiggins and they had no problems to take Jefferson + Biendrins (20m in total) for 2 future 1st round picks. They still have cap space to take Bonner and SA is obviously pretty close to Lindsay.

Let's say Minny gets Nando for AK in a S&T and SA sends Bonner to Utah for a future 1st. How much could SA offer to AK ? I think 8m is the MIN he would accept.

They'd be able to give him a contract starting at $8.2 Million.

[cd98]

How do you feel about Utah as a parter? I mean, they're clearly tanking for Wiggins and they had no problems to take Jefferson + Biendrins (20m in total) for 2 future 1st round picks. They still have cap space to take Bonner and SA is obviously pretty close to Lindsay.

Let's say Minny gets Nando for AK in a S&T and SA sends Bonner to Utah for a future 1st. How much could SA offer to AK ? I think 8m is the MIN he would accept.


League will veto this trade as it will recognize that any team trading for Bonner is clearly tanking.

[Seventyniner]

it was reported arond 8-9

Thanks. Using the 150% + 100k rule, here is the most the Spurs could offer AK in the first year of a contract by salary-dumping the following player combos.
Bonner only: $6,017,500
Bonner and Mills: $7,718,425
Bonner and Joseph: $7,698,880
Bonner and De Colo: $8,212,000

Bonner plus any two of those three can bring back $9.3M or more. This salary dump would be a three-team trade:
MIN sends out AK, receives a trade exception and maybe cash or lowpick.
SA sends out Bonner and a guard or two, receives AK
Cap space team receives Bonner, guard(s), probably a pick and cash from SA, sends out a top-59 protected second-rounder (basically nothing)

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

League will veto this trade as it will recognize that any team trading for Bonner is clearly tanking.

The trade for RJ passed with flying colors and RJ is more useless than Bonner and is getting paid nearly 3x times the salary.

[coyotes_geek]

They traded Ridnour for Martin. The salaries JUST BARELY match. Ridnour makes $4.32 Million this season. 150 percent of that plus $100k gives them $6.58 Million in salary they can take back. The first year of a $28M/4 deal with 4.5-percent raises is $6.56 Million. It works, just by the skin of its teeth.

Thanks. I thought I saw a tweet that Ridnour had already been sent to Milwaukee in a Brewer S&T deal. Woj not mentioning anything about Ridnour in his tweet about Min & OKC also led me to believe that this was a cap space trade.

[elemento]

They'd be able to give him a contract starting at $8.2 Million.

Well at least we know there's a way to do it.

I don't get my hopes high though.

[elemento]

League will veto this trade as it will recognize that any team trading for Bonner is clearly tanking.

Their tank leaders are Dick and Biendrins. Bonner is nothing compared to these guys. :lol

[Chinook]

Thanks. I thought I saw a tweet that Ridnour had already been sent to Milwaukee in a Brewer S&T deal. Woj not mentioning anything about Ridnour in his tweet about Min & OKC also led me to believe that this was a cap space trade.

Yeah, I don't know if anything's official or not. The trade would work, though they may decide against making it both trades into one big deal.

[fleggy2k2]

Bonner is more expensive and Blair isn't better than Turiaf.

playblair rebuttal in 3....2....1.....

[Darkwaters]

The trade for RJ passed with flying colors and RJ is more useless than Bonner and is getting paid nearly 3x times the salary.

Truth

[cd98]

Their tank leaders are Dick and Biendrins. Bonner is nothing compared to these guys. :lol


Why would anyone think the Jazz are tanking just because they let Jefferson and Millsap walk and replaced them with Dick and Biendrins?

[tesseractive]

Their tank leaders are Dick and Biendrins. Bonner is nothing compared to these guys. :lol
Maybe HWSNBN's new nickname should be Tank Commander. :lol

[monkeypunk]

Maybe HWSNBN's new nickname should be Tank Commander. :lol

Nice :lol

[Darkwaters]

It should be pretty easy to have Utah do this S&T with us. I'll lay it out in 5 easy steps.

1) Have Duncan start openly talking about his frustration with losing the Finals and how hes probably 90% sure he wants to retire right now.

San Antonio probably won't be an elite team this year for certain

2) Start floating rumors that Parker and Leonard both tore their ACL's last night at a rave and are out for 2013-14.

The league will assume that we'll struggle and may miss the playoffs.

3) Have Diaw and Blair fake their death's in a tragic competitive eating accident.

The Spurs are definitely missing the playoffs and are lottery bound.

4) Call Utah and confide in them that Green and Splitter were both involved in this Snowden thing and have fled the country, requesting political asylum in Djibouti.

The Spurs are DEFINITELY lottery bound and will be "competitive" for the top pick.

5) Have Pop and RC call Utah again in a faked drunken stupor and offer to trade them our precious first rounder if only they'd help us sign AK47.

Mission Accomplished.

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[MannyIsGod]

Question: can the Spurs offer him a 1 year remaining cap space contract for this year with the under the table agreement to offer him a much better long term one next year, or is that illegal under the new CBA?

Did you really just ask if an under the table agreement was OK? Joe Smith? Is that you?

[timvp]

So ................ do we know if AK47 has been renounced or not?

[ducks]

any press confrences yet?

[Vic Petro]

So ................ do we know if AK47 has been renounced or not?

The only thing we've learned is that we all need more hobbies.

[coyotes_geek]

So ................ do we know if AK47 has been renounced or not?

Not yet. Pretty much hinges on how the Martin S&T deal gets structured. If Minny dumps Ridnour off to Milwaukee as part of the deal, there's still some hope. If it's a straight Martin/TE swap, then Minny had to have renounced AK to pull it off.

[spursince#99]

If it doesn't happen today, it certainly won't happen.

[BackHome]

The only thing we've learned is that we all need more hobbies.

So True...:lol

[Twisted_Dawg]

Did you really just ask if an under the table agreement was OK? Joe Smith? Is that you?

The Joe Smith contract.....I forgot about that one.

[ElNono]

Lots of mentions on Twitter about the Cavs pursuing him...

Hopefully Dan Gilbert doesn't screw us over

[Sean Cagney]

The only thing we've learned is that we all need more hobbies.

^^^^^^ This, I wake up to come see this thread again and it is still going and at the top of the page :( It says talks end without a deal and we are still talking about it lol.

[TXstbobcat]

The Joe Smith contract.....I forgot about that one.

didnt the wolves loose 3 or 4 draft picks as the penalty for it.

[ducks]

Lots of mentions on Twitter about the Cavs pursuing him...

Hopefully Dan Gilbert doesn't screw us over

that was before they got their big

[ElNono]

that was before they got their big

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[cd98]

Lots of mentions on Twitter about the Cavs pursuing him...

Hopefully Dan Gilbert doesn't screw us over

Dan Gilbert should be facilitating the Spurs's acquisition of Kirilenko. He should be doing anything he can to stop Miami from a three peat.

[lurker23]

Lots of mentions on Twitter about the Cavs pursuing him...

Hopefully Dan Gilbert doesn't screw us over

Dan Gilbert comic sans FTW.

[ducks]

355380245387415552

they have no capspace
they would have to do sign and trade

[spurraider21]

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^ive had to use that about 3 times in this thread because its really that damn frustrating knowing how close we are/were and that our FO was actually looking to make a splash

[xmas1997]

they have no capspace
they would have to do sign and trade

And Minn. will probably help them do it too.

[TE]

Might as well it be official :(

[coyotes_geek]

San Antonio Spurs @spurs
(http://twitter.com/spurs)Spurs sign Marco Belinelli - j.mp/18Qf2Pd (http://t.co/x5QRBNcDRt) #GoSpursGo (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23GoSpursGo)




This has to be out of the MLE, so that's one less possibility for landing AK.

[TheGoldStandard]

And we're done here.

[spursince#99]

Thread is done. Carry on.

[exstatic]

No! I refuse!

[fleggy2k2]

/thread

[Bruno]

It's not totally dead because Kirilenko's rights haven't been renounced so a S&T is still theoretically possible but the body start getting seriously cold.

[tesseractive]

No! I refuse!
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[noles1983]

:shootme

[coyotes_geek]

Thread isn't over yet, but things are a hell of a lot more difficult than they were 30 minutes ago. The Spurs using their MLE on Belinelli just officially eliminates the possibilities of having used cap space to get AK, or giving AK the full MLE. The death blow doesn't come until Minny renounces AK or AK signs elsewhere.

[timtonymanu]

Rinse and repeat process going on here. Wake me up when AK actually signs somewhere.

[rjv]

AK deal=stage IV pancreatic cancer with mestasis to the brain

[Budkin]

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[coyotes_geek]

AK deal=stage IV pancreatic cancer with mestasis to the brain

Sounds like a job for prayingdog.gif.

[Mal]

I can see some random team - Bucks, Kings even freakin Bobcats offering him deal, which he couldnt refuse.

[timtonymanu]

http://i.qkme.me/3qp1vt.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0gzfFBXaY

[Sean Cagney]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0gzfFBXaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn-oXLZ0L7w
This has to be out of the MLE, so that's one less possibility for landing AK.

Like the writing was not already on the wall from the thread title lol. Some just held on too long and speculated on why they have not signed yet etc. There was nothing CIA up, nothing behind the scenes happening with AK lol. Thread OVER. Next move.

[Ron Swanson]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[SpurPadre]

It's more likely that the league decides to rule out the outcome of Game 7 and force the Spurs and Heat to re-play the last 28 seconds of Game 6 because it was much too cruel a way for a team to lose...than for us to get AK47. So, let's move on.

[Sean Cagney]

It's more likely that the league decides to rule out the outcome of Game 7 and force the Spurs and Heat to re-play the last 28 seconds of Game 6 because it was much too cruel a way for a team to lose...than for us to get AK47. So, let's move on.

Since June 18th to now damnit, f this shit!

[cd98]

Miam has to be thinking they have no need to make any changes. Nobody in the West got better other than Houston.

[timvp]

I'm ready for AK47 to sign with a bad team and then for everyone to act surprised that he took money over winning.

[cd98]

I'd take the money if I were Kirilenko.

[spursince#99]

If we don't get AK47 then we don't get shit.

[tesseractive]

I'm ready for AK47 to sign with a bad team and then for everyone to act surprised that he took money over winning.
With the pittance we can offer him at this point, it would be insane for him to come here outside of a sign and trade.

I mean, taking a couple million less is one thing, but to opt out of a $10M contract for a year to sign for something around the minimum would be crazy.

[SpurPadre]

Miam has to be thinking they have no need to make any changes. Nobody in the West got better other than Houston.

Yeah, but the East is getting better too and even though Rose is a pathetic, selfish bitch for how he bailed on the Bulls when they needed him, he still has that great upside and will come back next season so the Heat has to watch out for them aside from the Pacers.

[Seventyniner]

I'm ready for AK47 to sign with a bad team and then for everyone to act surprised that he took money over winning.

This. He probably asked for more than the Spurs were willing to pay and wouldn't budge. I could see the Spurs offering 3/23 and AK turning it down.

[Sobe_Kucks]

I feel like I'm back in middle school and just went through a bad break up after a one week relationship. It's saddness all around, but I look back and say, "wow what a ride!" for all the excitment that is now gone. :depressed

[coyotes_geek]

This. He probably asked for more than the Spurs were willing to pay and wouldn't budge. I could see the Spurs offering 3/23 and AK turning it down.

If the Spurs are serious about being able to offer someone a max contract in 2015, they may not have been willing to offer more than 2.

[monkeypunk]

Ah AK, how close we've become these last 2 days. I'll miss our time together.

Have fun in Charlotte/Orlando/ShitbirdsVille. At least you'll have a loooong summer vacay every year to look forward to.

:lol

[Hoops Czar]

If the Spurs are serious about being able to offer someone a max contract in 2015, they may not have been willing to offer more than 2.

Stop insulting people's inteligence. The Spurs haven't offered a Max contract to a free agent that doesn't include their own, coming via the draft, since before the Admiral era, maybe ever. They're blowing it up when Duncan retires.

[coyotes_geek]

Stop insulting people's inteligence. The Spurs haven't offered a Max contract to a free agent that doesn't include their own, coming via the draft, since before the Admiral era, maybe ever. They're blowing it up when Duncan retires.

Jason Kidd says hello.

Back in 2004 the Spurs even offered Kobe Bryant a max contract before re-signing Manu.

[cd98]

Stop insulting people's inteligence. The Spurs haven't offered a Max contract to a free agent that doesn't include their own, coming via the draft, since before the Admiral era, maybe ever. They're blowing it up when Duncan retires.

Spurs are blowing it up in two years. But we'll be starting from scratch and it will be very hard to convince any game changer to come here for the max when we can't argue that we'll be contenders. We'll need to get lucky like Houston did by getting Harden and some developing pieces, and then hope we can attract a big time player to take less money to play for us. I still think the only formula for the Spurs acquiring a superstar is through the draft.

[Darkwaters]

I feel like I'm back in middle school and just went through a bad break up after a one week relationship. It's saddness all around, but I look back and say, "wow what a ride!" for all the excitment that is now gone. :depressed

When does the new Taylor Swift song about this lost relationship with an AK47 come out?

[Man In Black]

I await to see what else WOJ or twitter or anything credible source says. It ain't over until that dotted line is signed.

[Hoops Czar]

Jason Kidd says hello.

Back in 2004 the Spurs even offered Kobe Bryant a max contract before re-signing Manu.

I don't remember Kobe, probably because of the O% chance he would sign. Jason Kidd was offered something like 80 million but that would have meant bye bye Tony Parker. I'm not so sure that would have been good in the long run. But neither of those players signed. Big time free agents don't like to sign with small market teams.

[spurraider21]

Screw it. Time to lay all our cards on the table, play the ace in the hole.






Tell them we're willing to concede that Bonner will be included in the trade [gasp]

[coyotes_geek]

Spurs are blowing it up in two years. But we'll be starting from scratch and it will be very hard to convince any game changer to come here for the max when we can't argue that we'll be contenders. We'll need to get lucky like Houston did by getting Harden and some developing pieces, and then hope we can attract a big time player to take less money to play for us. I still think the only formula for the Spurs acquiring a superstar is through the draft.

That very well could be exactly how it plays out. Then again, maybe some big name FA out there looks at a 24 year old Kawhi Leonard, a 33 year old Parker who should still have a few years left in the tank and a serviceable center in 30 year old Tiago Splitter is enough of a core to compete with. The FO seems to think that the latter is a realistic enough of a scenario to start lining up all their expiring contracts for that offseason. Will it work out that way? We'll see.

[ducks]

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[Texas_Ranger]

:madrun

[michaelwcho]

I feel like I'm back in middle school and just went through a bad break up after a one week relationship. It's saddness all around, but I look back and say, "wow what a ride!" for all the excitment that is now gone. :depressed

Sounds you like you had some serious relationships when you were 12.

[coyotes_geek]

Jeff McDonald
‏@JMcDonald_SAEN 35m To my knowledge, AK47 thing is inactive. But things can always change.

Would somebody mind sending a courtesy tweet to McDonald to let him know that the Spurs signed Manu and Belinelli today?

[Ron Swanson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praFGD51ih8

[ElNono]

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[ducks]

Jeff McDonald ‏@JMcDonald_SAEN 1h Greetings from El Paso (?). Spurs officially have announced re-signing of Manu Ginobili and signing of Marco Belinelli.

[Pirate_Ghost]

Bumping this sad cesspool of a thread when Spurs make it back to the finals sans AK47. :toast :flag:

[rjv]

I don't remember Kobe, probably because of the O% chance he would sign. Jason Kidd was offered something like 80 million but that would have meant bye bye Tony Parker. I'm not so sure that would have been good in the long run. But neither of those players signed. Big time free agents don't like to sign with small market teams.

what small market team has won a title in the past 2 decades (other than the spurs) ? (the point being we can not conclude either way that the reason is based on the actual size of the market as opposed to the typical success usually associated with the smaller of the former)

[Drom John]

what small market team has won a title in the past 2 decades (other than the spurs) ? (the point being we can not conclude either way that the reason is based on the actual size of the market as opposed to the typical success usually associated with the smaller of the former)

Miami.

[T Park]

Miami.

Except they're not a small market...

[coyotes_geek]

Borrowed from another thread ducks posted this in.


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Aaaaaaand now we're done here.

[Libri]

^^^^^^ This, I wake up to come see this thread again and it is still going and at the top of the page :( It says talks end without a deal and we are still talking about it lol.

I've only read about 1/4 of the thread, not bothering with the rest. Crazy if it reaches a hundred pages. Would like to see it happen, though. :lol

[rjv]

Miami.

miami is a small market team if you look at that from the perspective of television only (even then it ranks at 16). it is not small market in regards to how it is regarded by the media or in terms of its sports scene. it also has a large appeal to the players, seperating itself from the likes of SA, memphis, OKC or indianapolis. in the context of the subject it would not belong to the set being referred to.

the real contention here is that players typically prefer to play in the glamour cities that have broad appeal or the larger markets. it is possible they could also be drawn to a perrenial winner though.

[Bruno]

Aaaaaaand now we're done here.


Not really, it's quote coming from a Spurs fan. I haven't seen any journalist/league source saying that Kirilenko Bird rights have been renounced. In fact, the Martin trade isn't even official and Brewer hasn't been signed.

A potential Kirilenko S&T is at the same probability level than this morning.

[coyotes_geek]

Not really, it's quote coming from a Spurs fan. I haven't seen any journalist/league source saying that Kirilenko Bird rights have been renounced. In fact, the Martin trade isn't even official and Brewer hasn't been signed.

A potential Kirilenko S&T is at the same probability level than this morning.

Ugh. My twitter illiteracy gets the better of me. Put the plug back in, the patient isn't dead just quite yet........

[Hoops Czar]

the real contention here is that players typically prefer to play in the glamour cities that have broad appeal or the larger markets. it is possible they could also be drawn to a perrenial winner though.
The Spurs success came through the draft, not free agency. The Spurs won't be in serious contention when Duncan retires so signing game changing free agents will most likely be out of the question. It would even suprise me to see the Spurs trade Parker for building blocks and draft picks to keep the rebuilding process short and sweet.

[Sobe_Kucks]

Sounds you like you had some serious relationships when you were 12.

Four glorious days with Sandra McGee in 5th grade pale in comparison with what we've had with AK47 this past week.

It's been glorious AK....

But I have to remind myslef that some birds just aren't meant to be caged.
Their feathers are just too bright.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/kimble02/ShawshankRedemptionMorganFreeman.jpg (http://s252.photobucket.com/user/kimble02/media/ShawshankRedemptionMorganFreeman.jpg.html)

[TheGoldStandard]

Parker will not be traded, there is a loyalty issue regardless if Tim leaves. Front Office won't make a splash either, they'll just play and hope they can draft someone.. I don't see any game changing players in the draft that will fall to the Spurs in the next few years so who knows what they'll do or where they'll go.

[Chinook]

I don't remember Kobe, probably because of the O% chance he would sign. Jason Kidd was offered something like 80 million but that would have meant bye bye Tony Parker. I'm not so sure that would have been good in the long run. But neither of those players signed. Big time free agents don't like to sign with small market teams.

Kidd was offered a max deal, and the Spurs intended to move Parker over to two-guard. While he may well have left after his contract was up, they weren't going to get rid of him. They also offered Jermaine O'Neal a max, which he turned down to play under Isaiah Thomas.

The Spurs will surely be able to offer a max deal (almost two if Parker leaves, even if Leonard, Green and Splitter stay), and if they feel like their new core can compete, they'll almost certainly try for an elite power-forward through free agency or trade. No reason to waste that opportunity for Kirilenko.

[poop]

miami is a small market team if you look at that from the perspective of television only (even then it ranks at 16). it is not small market in regards to how it is regarded by the media or in terms of its sports scene. it also has a large appeal to the players, seperating itself from the likes of SA, memphis, OKC or indianapolis. in the context of the subject it would not belong to the set being referred to.

the real contention here is that players typically prefer to play in the glamour cities that have broad appeal or the larger markets. it is possible they could also be drawn to a perrenial winner though.

Miami isn't small market in any sense whatsoever. Its a houston sized city to begin with, has the fanbase of all southern florida, and is a major international city. On top of that there's the whole glamor factor...

[cd98]

Well, assuming the Kirilenko thing falls through, is there any other 3/4 out there of interest? The free agent market has kind of dried up.

[slick'81]

Spurs gave it a shot it would of been nice .hope Jeff penderfck gives us sonething

[coyotes_geek]

Well, assuming the Kirilenko thing falls through, is there any other 3/4 out there of interest? The free agent market has kind of dried up.

Probably not any that would be better than Danny Green filling in there while Kawhi is either on the bench or playing the 4.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Pendergraph signed, according to Spurs.com....

[rjv]

The Spurs success came through the draft, not free agency. The Spurs won't be in serious contention when Duncan retires so signing game changing free agents will most likely be out of the question. It would even suprise me to see the Spurs trade Parker for building blocks and draft picks to keep the rebuilding process short and sweet.

a likely scenario. that will be the start of a whole new process. nevertheless, the spurs could luck out in a future lottery and then use the future cap space to potentially lure a big name (it will not be a lebron or a melo but that is really more a reflection of the member as opposed to the set). it is still possible that future free agents could sign for smaller markets.

a secondary question would be which team other than miami has won as a result of a major free agency coup ? (lakers failed last year, clips have seen success but have been pretty terrible in the playoffs, knicks have failed...and dallas won because of dirk and the addition of what were then 2nd tier signings, bulls failed miserably with ben wallace which at the time was supposed to be a big signing). we'll see what the rockets do (and when you think about it , although h-town is big TV market it has not been the traditional draw for big names either).

[spursince#99]

Give it up you guys.

[coyotes_geek]

Give it up you guys.

Meh. Gotta talk about something. Better this than the "is duncan bi-sexual" thread.

[rjv]

Well, assuming the Kirilenko thing falls through, is there any other 3/4 out there of interest? The free agent market has kind of dried up.

deshaun thomas may have a shot to make the team after all...

[Budkin]

Give it up you guys.

Why did Pop take Tim out of Game 6? :lol

[objective]

1) AK47 is coming off a season with ~20 DNPs. I wanted him, but it's not like he's an example of rock solid health.

2) In all of this, we still have no idea how much AK wants to be here and how much he wants to play here.

1. This has nothing to do with health, notice I wrote, "DNP-CDs". Let's not pretend that there is equality between someone missing 20 games due to injury and someone being a scrub 11th man who despite being healthy will never play without injuries to players in front of him or garbage time.

2. We know that AK/AK's agent and the Spurs were far enough along in their mutual interest that the only thing holding it up was Minnesota's front office. That's enough.

[MaNu4Tres]

a likely scenario. that will be the start of a whole new process. nevertheless, the spurs could luck out in a future lottery and then use the future cap space to potentially lure a big name (it will not be a lebron or a melo but that is really more a reflection of the member as opposed to the set). it is still possible that future free agents could sign for smaller markets.

a secondary question would be which team other than miami has won as a result of a major free agency coup ? (lakers failed last year, clips have seen success but have been pretty terrible in the playoffs, knicks have failed...and dallas won because of dirk and the addition of what were then 2nd tier signings, bulls failed miserably with ben wallace which at the time was supposed to be a big signing). we'll see what the rockets do (and when you think about it , although h-town is big TV market it has not been the traditional draw for big names either).

Good to have you on ST more these days Varner.

[Darkwaters]

Miami isn't small market in any sense whatsoever. Its a houston sized city to begin with, has the fanbase of all southern florida, and is a major international city. On top of that there's the whole glamor factor...

Seriously, people don't get stabbed, shot, murdered and raped with that kind of regularity in a small market! This is Miami we're talking about!

[rjv]

Good to have you on ST more these days Varner.

now i'm curious as to who or what "varner" is...well, not that curious

[Darkwaters]

Yea, just checked. Miami has the highest violent crime rate of any city over 500,000 people in the USA.

Seriously, if you've never been to Miami, the place is a shithole.

[tesseractive]

Ugh. My twitter illiteracy gets the better of me. Put the plug back in, the patient isn't dead just quite yet........
iltwitteracy?

[benefactor]

Good to have you on ST more these days Varner.
?

Tim Varner is tav1 tbh.

[spursfan4ever]

Hey guys, this is an AK47 Interview I found online. I though you guys might be interested to read some of his answers.


Among current free agents who previously were linked to the Heat, Minnesota Timberwolves free-agent forward Andrei Kirilenko downplayed the Heat as an option in an interview with Russia's "Sports Express." According to the translation at Hoopshype.com, Kirilenko said, "I don't want to confine myself in any way. But in general, do you want to go to a team where LeBron James is playing at your position? Or to Oklahoma with Kevin Durant? That almost certainly means quietly ending your career. I still feel I'm capable of making a real contribution." South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Have you contemplated a return to CSKA? Andrei Kirilenko: 99 percent certain I will stay in the NBA. But who knows what might happen. What if all 30 teams in this league decide they don't want me?

When do you plan to make a decision on your future? Andrei Kirilenko: I am not in a rush. A year ago, because of the Olympics I signed my contract very quickly. This time I can take my time. I'm planning to send my son to a sports summer camp and want to spend some time there myself. I will start training for next season at the start of August. You still have not answered my question. Andrei Kirilenko: I will figure out my future somewhere between July 10 and September 29. The sooner that happens the better. To know for sure what to do, and where to move, if needed be. Not everything depends on me, that is why it is pointless to speculate on when. Sport Express

Andrei Kirilenko: I didn't see the point (in exercising my option). A year from now the situation would have been the same. For me and my family it's uncomfortable to be left hanging. It's bad for the people close to you to have to wonder all the time, "Do we have to move at the end of the season?" So this is purely a strategic decision. I want to sign a longer-term contract. That doesn't mean I'm definitely leaving Minnesota, I really like it here. I like everything, except the length of the deal. Sport Express

How many years are you looking for - three, four? Andrei Kirilenko: (laughing) I would like more than one. I'm sure I can play at a high level for three seasons more, at minimum. After that, maybe, I'll be forced to think about the veteran minimum. But what will be in three years, who knows? Before, I used to think my career would end at 30. But now I'm 32, and I still feel strong and full of the desire to play. Sport Express

Is your decision to opt out connected to the desire to play for a team with a better shot at contending? Andrei Kirilenko: Of course, it's always better to play on a strong team. But for me the atmosphere within the club is very important. The situation in Minnesota is terrific. In that respect I'm very lucky. And the current team, I think, is capable of achieving a lot more than it did last season, when we were out of the playoff race early. Sport Express

[Man In Black]

Again...Market size is determined by Households in the DMA or Designated Market or Media Area.

Obviously NY is #1 and LA is #2

The smallest market in the NBA is New Orleans.

Here is a link to All the DMA Markets. If Toronto was in the US, they'd be around #5 just ahead of Dallas.
http://www.tvb.ca/page_files/pdf/InfoCentre/TVBasics.pdf

It's on Page 14.

[Texas_Ranger]

like I said he doesn't want to be a backup.

[TXstbobcat]

Yea, just checked. Miami has the highest violent crime rate of any city over 500,000 people in the USA.

Seriously, if you've never been to Miami, the place is a shithole.

We flew to Miami for game 2 of the finals and the city was dirty and mainly ghetto. The only parts that I liked we're the beaches.

[coyotes_geek]

iltwitteracy?

:lol

[coyotes_geek]

Is your decision to opt out connected to the desire to play for a team with a better shot at contending? Andrei Kirilenko: Of course, it's always better to play on a strong team. But for me the atmosphere within the club is very important.

Translation: I want cash.

[spurraider21]

so when is our AK acquisition official, tbh?

[Chomag]

Kind of sad this didnt happen. I really think AK47 would have flourished in the Spurs system

[tesseractive]

Again...Market size is determined by Households in the DMA or Designated Market or Media Area.

Obviously NY is #1 and LA is #2

The smallest market in the NBA is New Orleans.

Here is a link to All the DMA Markets. If Toronto was in the US, they'd be around #5 just ahead of Dallas.
http://www.tvb.ca/page_files/pdf/InfoCentre/TVBasics.pdf

It's on Page 14.
Why is it that Miami-Ft Lauderdale is the #18 US DMA but Miami-Ft Lauderdale-West Palm Beach is the #8 US MSA?

[Vic Petro]

like I said he doesn't want to be a backup.

I didn't read it that way. Just seems like he doesn't want to play >10m backing up a superstar.

[ace3g]

!!!!!!!Damn!!!! lol

Peter Vecsey ‏@PeterVecsey1 (https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1) 1m (https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/355451772078268417) This just in: Nets have signed. Kirilenko for mini mid-level, 3.1M per

I wonder how much of that is under the table from owner, lol

[Baam]

Of course, Prokorov (sp?) is gonna give him some money in Russia and nobody will ever know...

Damn the Nets are gonna be strong, lots of old guys so the windows is def short but still...

[benefactor]

lol Vecsey

[angelbelow]

Well that's that..

[LakerHater]

!!!!!!!Damn!!!! lol

Peter Vecsey ‏@PeterVecsey1 (https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1)1m (https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/355451772078268417) This just in: Nets have signed. Kirilenko for mini mid-level, 3.1M per

I wonder how much of that is under the table from owner, lol
FALSE!

[celldweller]

At last!! Now lets move on! :lol

[benefactor]

I'll wait for a real source of info.

[ace3g]

Can Stern use "Basketball Reasons" to cancel that signing.

[xmas1997]

It's over, but don't worry, the Spurs have 8 guards!

[LakerHater]

WHOA! Guess it is true!

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[Texas_Ranger]

:lol

[benefactor]

Woj or Amick or bullshit.

[LakerHater]

The T-Wolves woulda paid that!

[coyotes_geek]

Woj or Amick or bullshit.

This.

[LakerHater]

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[angelbelow]

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[Man In Black]

Looks like the Russian Connection was real strong. As an oligarch, I'm thinking Prokhorov will have no problem helping Andrei with his 1 time Hall Pass yearly...on that night AK-47 will run out of "bullets".

DMA = Desginated Market of Media Area DMA is a large area is defined loosely by how far TV and Radio coverage areas go.
MSA = Metropolitan Statiscal Area-MSA is a smaller area and is defined loosely by a collection of zip codes.

[Chinook]

355454204980113408

:rollin

[TXstbobcat]

Yep, it's over and this thread will still hit 50 pages.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurstalk will implode if this is true.

[Man In Black]

If it's mini MLE...and he graciously accepted, then me thinks the Russians have something going on underneath it all.

[LakerHater]

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[LakerHater]

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[ace3g]

at least it makes the Nets/East stronger

[rmt]

Can't believe he left 10m on the table to sign for $3.1m.

I live in Miami and if this doesn't qualify as a big market, I don't know what does. It's not just the city of Miami (the ghetto-ish) part but the whole South Florida area (Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach). The suburbs sprawl into a huge area, and it gets bigger every day with more and more construction between Miami and Fort Lauderdale). And yes, athletes would love living here - South Beach, night clubs galore, climate, beaches, movie and music center (not LA of course, but not bad).

[Texas_Ranger]

Prokhorov will give him 5M in his pocket.

[Vic Petro]

355453118613434371

[benefactor]

Still waiting on a legit source.

[ernest787]

If its true and that's all it took...

speachless

[ducks]

did not spurs have 3.1?

[ColinB]

Can't think of a more classic outcome than this. Great thread, good times.

[rjv]

Can't think of a more classic outcome than this. Great thread, good times.

:lol
-so true

[Texas_Ranger]

ok let me start:

Kirlilenko sucks, thank god the Spurs didn't get him. He's not that good anymore.

[Keepin' it real]

But, but, but, all the genius GMs on Spurstalk said AK was gonna sign with the Spurs.

lol

[LakerHater]

So did the Russian owner pay more under the table??

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

NBA TV reported it.

[elec99]

If true, he obviously felt a connection with the owner.
Owner probably convinced him the nets were contenders.

Note to self: Next time before opting out, check with agent to gauge the market.

[Duncan2177]

Time to move to plan B Metta or Mcgrady.

[LakerHater]

Wasnt he gonna get $9 mil from Spurs in sign and trade??

[Texas_Ranger]

so pendengraf is worth only 1M less.... hmmmm interesting.

[LakerHater]

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[Vic Petro]

Wasnt he gonna get $9 mil from Spurs in sign and trade??

If that report was true then Flip Saunders is going to wake up tomorrow missing a kidney courtesy of Dmitri and Sergei

[LakerHater]

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[MannyIsGod]

Still waiting on a legit source.

You're in denial.

[benefactor]

355455125579513856
:lol

Translation..."We couldn't get the S&T done so I decided to sign with my Russian buddy who I can sign with for cheap and he can hook me up with the rest of the money in my Russian account."

[benefactor]

You're in denial.
Not really...I don't give much of fuck either way...I just have certain folks I deem credible and some I don't. Aldridge just tweeted about it so I guess it really is a done deal.

[LakerHater]

Something strange goin on there...

[Chinook]

All right. So let's hope the team has other targets. World Peace would be great.

They still have to get rid of some guards, though.

[LakerHater]

Only target I see is get back Gary Neal!

[MaNu4Tres]

?

Tim Varner is tav1 tbh.

My mistake.

[timvp]

Welp, can't compete if backdoor Russian money.

Oh well.

[ernest787]

I think they are done.

Manu will get the back up Sf minutes and Marco will get the SG minutes

[crc21209]

Fucking Flip Saunders screwed the Spurs out of getting the piece they really needed. What a load of shit. That guy will be out of a job in a year or two anyway..

[LakerHater]

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[timtonymanu]

Meh. It always felt like a longshot anyway.

[Ice009]

I can't believe you guys wasted all this time in this thread.

Fuck Kirilenko. If he wanted to sign for peanuts and play for Brooklyn, he can, fuck him and their Russian under the table owner. No way that this wasn't some sort of under the table deal.

Then again, I take all that back if the Spurs wasted their mid level exception on Pendergraph and Belinelli and didn't offer the full MLE to Kirilenko first.

[LakerHater]

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[Baam]

so pendengraf is worth only 1M less.... hmmmm interesting.

Yeah on paper it's mindboggling...

[spurraider21]

this is so terrible that its hilarious

[coyotes_geek]

this is so terrible that its hilarious

:lol

Perfect way to put it. I agree. Comical.

[elemento]

One word - Prokhorov

AK is not getting only 3m/year.

He is getting a ton in Russia and the NBA will never find out about it.

[Robz4000]

:lol The meltdown is gonna be hilarious when MWP signs there too.

[LakerHater]

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[LakerHater]

355460238096334848 (https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/355460238096334848)

[Man In Black]

http://www.thescore.com/home/articles/1232619
a 1 year contract for 3.1 M? WTF :bang

[LakerHater]

Guess RC kinda knew this was gonna happen.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is every loser getting his tweets posted here?

[crc21209]

Sooooo this smells fishy to everyone. Is there anyway the NBA can investigate and possibly fine the Nets if they find something?

[LakerHater]

Whats a taxpayer midlevel exception?

[crc21209]

http://www.thescore.com/home/articles/1232619
a 1 year contract for 3.1 M? WTF :bang

So is it a 1 or a 3 year deal?

[Man In Black]

Click the link bro...I ain't linking tweets but it's in there.

It's 3.1 M for 1 year only according to Vescey.

[benefactor]

Sooooo this smells fishy to everyone. Is there anyway the NBA can investigate and possibly fine the Nets if they find something?
Not really. If they are moving the money around in Russia the NBA has no jurisdiction over there.

[benefactor]

So is it a 1 or a 3 year deal?
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[jiggy_55]

It's a 2-year deal.. Many players take pay cuts to play for "championship" teams so this will be considered that kind of case.

[Man In Black]

Not really. If they are moving the money around in Russia the NBA has no jurisdiction over there.

Circumvention of the cap is circumvention. The NBA's contracts are done here in America and as such, they have jurisdiction over those contracts. It gets deep but at the end of the day, AK-47 knows whats up and is going along with it. It's not like he's publicly saying, I don't want to be in Brooklyn.

I remember that when CWebb was given minority ownership in the Palms Casino as part of his contract, the NBA had to investigate it and for a really long time, you could bet on any sport EXCEPT NBA at the Palms Sports Book.

[xmas1997]

If the NBA can't smell something phony in this then they are as phony as the Nets!

[fleggy2k2]

Not really. If they are moving the money around in Russia the NBA has no jurisdiction over there.

yep, similar thing happened in The Dark Knight IIRC, except it was in China. The only hope is if Batman confronts Prokolov in Russia

[ChumpDumper]

It doesn't have to be some kind of KGB plot, people.

Just a few endorsement deals in Russia is all.

[JohnRambo]

WTF.......
What a joke!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

is there still a chance?

[LakerHater]

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[tuncaboylu]

It's obvious that there willbe money movement on Russian bank accounts too.

Krilenko is not dumb to opt out from 10M contract for 3.17M.

[LakerHater]

I thought he wanted to start!?!?

[benefactor]

Circumvention of the cap is circumvention. The NBA's contracts are done here in America and as such, they have jurisdiction over those contracts. It gets deep but at the end of the day, AK-47 knows whats up and is going along with it. It's not like he's publicly saying, I don't want to be in Brooklyn.
The contract is legit...I'm not arguing that at all. Whatever Prokhorov does for him in Russia is none of the NBA's business though. They can't say or do anything.

[crc21209]

:lol So to me this sounds like it was a plan all along. In that case the Spurs or anyone else never had a chance. Prokorov and Kirilenko were gonna suck each other off when it was all said and done...

[benefactor]

I thought he wanted to start!?!?
He wanted to play for a contender. That well dried up so he took cash from his Russian buddy instead.

[crc21209]

I thought he wanted to start!?!?

He is gonna start. Start BANKING in Russian currency that is...:lol

[rjv]

never trust a commie

[Chinook]

He should still start. His defense, rebounding and passing should really help that lineup. Move Pierce or Johnson to the bench.

[heyheymymy]

nba is such a three ring circus... pfft.

[LakerHater]

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[benefactor]

:lol So to me this sounds like it was a plan all along. In that case the Spurs or anyone else never had a chance. Prokorov and Kirilenko were gonna suck each other off when it was all said and done...
I think if he could have gotten the 8 million per year deal he would have taken it. They actually had talks about the S&T so if that was going on it's safe to assume that Kirilenko was cool with coming to SA.

[spurraider21]

whatever. AK sucks anyway tbh. better off without him








/laker fan logic

[LakerHater]

Corupt Russian sports!!

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[spurraider21]

http://dofcsportsfan.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/flip_saunders1.jpg?w=500

[poop]

its ok ! its ok! we resigned Matt Bonner so we good!!! and 38 year old ginobili!!

[r0drig0lac]

He wanted to play for a contender. That well dried up so he took cash from his Russian buddy instead.
and will play for one now

[benefactor]

They aren't contenders. ECF is likely their ceiling.

[r0drig0lac]

in my opinion with this lineup and this bank automaticante favorite to win it all

[benefactor]

I don't agree...but ok.