Temple of Austin Daye

[littlecoyotecoin]

If he doesn't show anything in practice or garbage minutes then Pop won't give him any minutes this year and he'll have to wait for summer league to show his talents.

So this may be a moot topic for a few months.

Well, we can't really know too much about what goes on in practice, unless Ace3g can give us some insight. However, with the time he's gotten, he couldn't have done much better. That's why everyone is running out their per 36 jokes on his 3 minute sample. He's filled up the stat sheet. Well...if you extrapolate it to 36 minutes he has! :)

[ceperez]

Well, we can't really know too much about what goes on in practice, unless Ace3g can give us some insight. However, with the time he's gotten, he couldn't have done much better. That's why everyone is running out there per 36 jokes on his 3 minute sample. He's filled up the stat sheet. Well...if you extrapolate it to 36 minutes he has! :)

Has Daye missed a shot from the 3 point line as a Spur? He's definitely going to get those open looks, and just looking at his past stats in Detroit, he's going to do very well with the spurs.

Channing Frye as 6'11 with the Suns destroyed the Spurs a couple of seasons back by hanging around in the 3 point area. Daye could do the same kind of damage against oposing teams. Unlike Bonner with a slow and low release, Daye needs to be covered much tighter. He's also got very good handles for a guy his size. The Spurs are going to figure out how to make the best use of his skills!

[Chinook]

Daye didn't exactly compare himself to Green in the way that you imply. He didn't bust out his and Danny's Per 36 numbers. He said that Danny wasn't getting playing time, now he is. That's it. He isn't exactly being pollyannaish. He is saying that in San Antonio, players that had not been able to get playing time elsewhere had been able to work their way into a supporting role. Nothing wrong with that, and a huge stretch to imply he introduced some sort of productivity argument between him and Danny. As per usual, someone makes a fairly innocuous statement, is lambasted for it.

However since YOU introduced the topic, I have a big issue with your false premise.

The cornerstone of your argument is that Danny has been consistent his whole career, even in Cleveland!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dayeau01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html

From 3 Danny shot .273 for the Cavaliers, .368 first year with the Spurs, and maxed out at .436 his second year with the Spurs. He has trailed off slightly since then, but he SUCKED with Cleveland. Guess what, after 4 straight years with a steady system, he has flourished...but that is sort of the opposite of consistency. Now, we can move the goal-posts in your argument and say that he steadily IMPROVED...except that he has not...he has slightly regressed, so even his IMPROVEMENT is not consistent. I'll forgive that as it has been somewhat minimal...and he's been great for us. Not trying to pick on DG.

Daye on the other hand shot 30% in his first year. Higher than Green in his first year. 40% in his second year. Higher than Green in his second year (even though Green was on a much better team). That is when Daye's percentage goes to shit...in his third year...the turmoil and mutiny in Detroit probably corresponds, somewhat, to that time-frame...then the shuffling from team to team...what happened...can it be fixed...I don't know.

However, if anything...those first two years show a higher ceiling and/or a similar growth to Danny. It is very difficult to know what Daye would have done if he had played here for four years. We are comparing apples to oranges. But, a claim that Danny showed a consistency that Daye lacks is erroneous.

They don't play the same position, so some things aren't fair to compare, or difficult. Daye's rebounding numbers are better, despite claims he is too frail to rebound, but he is TALLER, and plays a different position, sort of, so people will argue he should rebound better, of course. 2/3 vs. 3/4, I guess we compare. Etc. Etc. But, one thing that can be compared pretty fairly right across the board is his 3 point shooting percentage, and on raw numbers, I would say he has at least Danny's ability if not more.

I LIKED that he screamed into his pillow (he is happy to be here...(who wants a sad-sack like De Colo)), I am happy that his former teammates liked him and had confidence in him on the court (even if others think his teammates suck, I find it strange to list "good rapport with teammates" as a negative), 15th round pick (some people sitting in a room together agreed he had some potential), better handles than I expected (played point a little - I was led to believe he couldn't dribble at all - The Sandwich Hunter can already thank him for an assist in his 3 minutes of playing time), 6'11" (you can't teach height), potential 40+% 3 point shooter, YOUNG, NBA father that can help keep his head on straight and loves The Spurs, some potential rim protection (I loved that transition D block on D-Wade), Good hands (Um, Ayers), potential passing big like Diaw point-forward feeding the post...

There is a lot to like...if any of it can manifest.

I am still skeptical about his foot speed to guard on the perimeter, and his slight build makes him a liability in the post, probably. I am also worried about his bad attitude in Detroit, maybe. Hard to know what went on there but it doesn't sound good. With his dad and Pop, etc. on his ass maybe it was nothing or maybe it is corrected or correctable. People can surprise you when put in a corner...knowing this may be one of his last chances, maybe we see some fight.

So, I will light a prayer candle for the kid, as I am tired of watching undersized players at every position too often it seems.

I didn't say Green hasn't improved, especially in shooting percentage. Most shooters do when they come to the Spurs. What I did say was Green's per-36 numbers were consistent for his whole career, and they are. 3P% is not a per-36 stat. If you want to look at other stats, why not comment on Green's superior ORtg and DRtg or PER which he managed to gey despite not rebounding or shooting as well as Daye?

Anyway, you missed the point of what I said. It wasn't to say Green is awesome and Daye sucks. It certainly wasn't to say that I don't want Daye to succeed. It was to say that the Spurs' system doesn't make busts into great players. All of the Spurs starters are and have always been good players. The fact that Daye has busted despite getting playing time on teams who invested in him bodes poorly for his chances of succeeding on the Spurs. I actually have more confidence in him than most, but I don't have any misconception about his prospects.

And I thought the pillow scream was hilarious. I didn't say I hated it. It is kind of ironic, though, since the Spurs may well be his final NBA team.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I didn't say Green hasn't improved, especially in shooting percentage. Most shooters do when they come to the Spurs. What I did say was Green's per-36 numbers were consistent for his whole career, and they are. 3P% is not a per-36 stat. If you want to look at other stats, why not comment on Green's superior ORtg and DRtg or PER which he managed to gey despite not rebounding or shooting as well as Daye?

Anyway, you missed the point of what I said. It wasn't to say Green is awesome and Daye sucks. It certainly wasn't to say that I don't want Daye to succeed. It was to say that the Spurs' system doesn't make busts into great players. All of the Spurs starters are and have always been good players. The fact that Daye has busted despite getting playing time on teams who invested in him bodes poorly for his chances of succeeding on the Spurs. I actually have more confidence in him than most, but I don't have any misconception about his prospects.

And I thought the pillow scream was hilarious. I didn't say I hated it. It is kind of ironic, though, since the Spurs may well be his final NBA team.

Many valid points, agreed. If we leave out his 3 point shooting, Green has been consistent in other areas. 3pt% not a per 36, but a seemingly very salient number considering the positions they play. I sure as Hell would want them both to be consistent in that category, and Green was not. I choose not to ignore that category when evaluating them.

Only thing I could have an argument with in your response is that all of our starters have always been good. I don't believe Danny was good in Cleveland. However, that's a subjective definition, so there really isn't much to argue. I think Daye was pretty good at Gonzaga, from what I know. I thought he was pretty good his first two years in Detroit. That third year he collapsed it seems. After that, I don't know what kind of time and effort and opportunities he got in Memphis and Toronto. You seem to think he got coached up in both of those places as comparatively well as he would have gotten in San Antonio. I don't know. I think the only real place he had a significant stay was in Detroit, and I think he did screw that up. Maybe you can shed some more light on all of the efforts that were put into him in Memphis and Toronto as a backup. I am sure you are more versed on the topic than I am.

And, re: the pillow scream, you didn't say you hated it. True. But, it sure sounded like you were laughing at him, not with him. Maybe it will be his last NBA team. Time will tell.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Holy crap.

[Aztecfan03]

I didn't say Green hasn't improved, especially in shooting percentage. Most shooters do when they come to the Spurs. What I did say was Green's per-36 numbers were consistent for his whole career, and they are. 3P% is not a per-36 stat. If you want to look at other stats, why not comment on Green's superior ORtg and DRtg or PER which he managed to gey despite not rebounding or shooting as well as Daye?

Anyway, you missed the point of what I said. It wasn't to say Green is awesome and Daye sucks. It certainly wasn't to say that I don't want Daye to succeed. It was to say that the Spurs' system doesn't make busts into great players. All of the Spurs starters are and have always been good players. The fact that Daye has busted despite getting playing time on teams who invested in him bodes poorly for his chances of succeeding on the Spurs. I actually have more confidence in him than most, but I don't have any misconception about his prospects.

And I thought the pillow scream was hilarious. I didn't say I hated it. It is kind of ironic, though, since the Spurs may well be his final NBA team.

The only reason his points per 36 are close is because he took more shots in cleveland.

[ace3g]

Daye made some positive impact on the defensive end tonight in his most minutes as a Spur.

[ElNono]

solid outing tonight... light up a candle for the kid

[trev343]

daye played well

[timtonymanu]

Props to Daye!

[PingPong]

Kid just need to bulk up. He has the tools.

[Chinook]

Thought he should have played more. He did a good job as a small-ball four. He clearly wants to stick with the team, and that's enough for me to root for him.

[AFBlue]

Loved the block on Green and the way he helped in team rebounding. On offense he showed good awareness, feeding Ayres for his only positive play of the night. I can't fault Pop for going back to the starters in closing time, but his contribution should lead to more opportunities going forward.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Kid didn't look out of place at all. Unlike Ayers. Looks like a keeper when he learns the system over this season and off-season.

[ElNono]

Spurs are 13-1 with Daye, tbh... all hail the master

[mrjap2x]

He made that block against Draymond Green look easy.

[Ditty]

Sorta jumping the gun, but I hope Bonner or even Ayers are in the inactive for the playoffs. I think Daye could be a option against Durant because of his length if Kawhi gets in foul trouble, or is struggling against him.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Add some lean mass and he could be a stretch 4 for the Spurs. He looked pretty quick for his height as well.

[NASpurs]

Consider me a member of the Latter-Daye Saints.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

He made an excellent, savvy, "Spurs"-like pass to Errors in tonight's game.

[moisaenz]

Sorta jumping the gun, but I hope Bonner or even Ayers are in the inactive for the playoffs. I think Daye could be a option against Durant because of his length if Kawhi gets in foul trouble, or is struggling against him.

If he is playing the four he might be a good matchup against ibaka, especially when ibaka goes into jump shooting mode.

[still.focused]

Not displeased at all as of yet
Im really waiting for a breakout game tho
Hes young and healthy if he can pick up the system theres definitely a place for him on the roster

[loveforthegame]

I knew he could shoot but it was his awareness on defense that was a nice surprise. Moved his feet well, used his length to disrupt, and boxed out. Never seemed out of place. Nice cut to the basket and pass to Ayers.

Doubt Pop uses him in the playoffs but he has the tools to stick around next year I think.

[Mugen]

Hopefully Matty is out this week and he gets some time tbh.

[crc21209]

Gotta give props to Daye. He showed some energy and had some good awareness on the defensive end. Already he looks like he fits in and gets "it" more than Ayres.

[ceperez]

He got a nice clean block and recovery in the game. NBA has a video on it: http://www.nba.com/games/20140322/SASGSW/gameinfo.html

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Last night was telling. I was genuinely surprised. I wasn't expecting much with so little playing time, and this wasn't garbage time, it was crunch time. I am hoping to see more of him.

[Atl Spur]

Daye has a very unique skill set; if properly used he can be a true weapon! The spurs have Richards, Bertans and Jean Charles waiting in the wings; all can produce hopefully in the system in the next few years. Let's get Hanga over here too!!

[peacemaker885]

If Mills is a 2 in a 1's body, Daye moves like a 3 in a 4's body..

[thOOdee]

loved his defensive and what this kid could bring. I just wish he could finish a little stronger when he is near the rim.

[littlecoyotecoin]

He got a nice clean block and recovery in the game. NBA has a video on it: http://www.nba.com/games/20140322/SASGSW/gameinfo.html

Yes, Draymond Green didn't bother to ask while he was getting stuffed last night if Daye was 216 lbs or 200 lbs. did he? :blah

More evidence of some decent defense, footwork, hands/passing ability, etc. Again, he was sold as just a "shooter". So, all of these other things are more than expected. Of course, people still nit-picking him to death: "He needs to go stronger to the hole!"

Same people that don't appreciate Tiago, probably. Tiago was great last night, but this morning, all I see is a lot of "he got blocked at the rim". Yawn.

Bogut was on Daye as soon as he caught the ball, and is 7 feet tall. It's not like he caught him from mid-court. There are players in the league that probably could have finished that play. Lebron would have powered it down, probably. The problem is, they aren't available for trade for Nando Freakin' De Colo. Give the kid a break, again. He has pretty much done nothing but excel in the three instances that he's gotten on the NBA court for the Spurs, in a total of seven minutes of play, and he's a n00B. He just got here. Most of the critics, thus far, seem to have unreasonable expectations.

He stuffed DWade's shot in that highlight on YouTube, no big deal, just lucky I guess. He gets blocked by another 7 footer: He's weak. Typical SpursTalk over-reaction.

First game, about a minute of play...drives to the basket, lithe and supple, draws a foul. One missed shot. No turnovers, no fouls.

Second game, vs. Heat, drops a couple of threes in two attempts, assist to Bonner. A rebound. No turnovers, no fouls.

Third game...good defense, a block, draws a foul or it would have been a steal/rebound, however it's recorded, an assist to AYERS, no less, etc...no real mistakes yet in his 7 minutes of play. In my sleepiness, I thought I remembered a rebound, but not credited for one. But, again, no turnovers, no fouls.

He's already better than Ayers.

And that game for the Toros, he didn't call DeColo and ask for the complaint number in the French Press. He went down, struggled a little with his jumper, but still put up very respectable numbers 27 points/13 boards, I think. Some assists and a block or two, I think, and is dismissed - "That's just the D-League...anyone can do that in the D-League." But, Hell, he's just doing what is asked of him and doing a good job from what I can see. I have no complaints, thus far. DeColo was a piece of crap, no jump shot and turned the ball over all the time. Can't have that from a slow guard with little defense. You can be slow and a bad defender but you better be able to shoot and not turn over the ball. Fail and Fail. Hell of an improvement, thus far, with Daye over Nando. I liked the notion of Nando being a playmaker, but it just didn't work.

Daye's assist to turnover ratio is still infinity.

I felt bad for him getting the -2 in +/- because he had to play with Jeff. Daye did what he could, even gave him a soft bunny he could hold on to.

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littlecoyotecoin - LOL, I didn't think about the fact that it was an assist to Ayers. Poor Jeff, as soon as somebody puts on that Spurs uniform, they're my guy, but damn, he makes so many mistakes. I want to see more of Austin Daye.

[littlecoyotecoin]

littlecoyotecoin - LOL, I didn't think about the fact that it was an assist to Ayers. Poor Jeff, as soon as somebody puts on that Spurs uniform, they're my guy, but damn, he makes so many mistakes. I want to see more of Austin Daye.

I am right there with you...I hate to be negative toward anyone on the team but the lack of hand-eye coordination,etc. Even I have just given up. Everything has been said and re-said, and fans are so frustrated it devolves into personal attacks which I regret, but understand where the frustration comes from, for sure. I feel it, too. I even feel for Jeff a little bit, too, don't ask me why...he's getting paid well enough, but he has got to know he's laying a lot of eggs out there.

[absoloot66]

I am right there with you...I hate to be negative toward anyone on the team but the lack of hand-eye coordination,etc. Even I have just given up. Everything has been said and re-said, and fans are so frustrated it devolves into personal attacks which I regret, but understand where the frustration comes from, for sure. I feel it, too. I even feel for Jeff a little bit, too, don't ask me why...he's getting paid well enough, but he has got to know he's laying a lot of eggs out there.

Did anyone else notice that one play last game where Ayres was called for an illegal/moving screen? He was exasperated with D. Green (I think) because he left too soon, just as Ayres got there to set the screen. Clearly not Ayres' fault, but it looked like he feels the pressure to play without committing his now infamously frequent fumbles, bumbles and mishaps. Not often that you see a relatively new Spur express such blatant frustration with a "veteran" Spur.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Did anyone else notice that one play last game where Ayres was called for an illegal/moving screen? He was exasperated with D. Green (I think) because he left too soon, just as Ayres got there to set the screen. Clearly not Ayres' fault, but it looked like he feels the pressure to play without committing his now infamously frequent fumbles, bumbles and mishaps. Not often that you see a relatively new Spur express such blatant frustration with a "veteran" Spur.

Yes, he does sort of seem to be wearing it on his Kawhi. But, he's worn out his welcome. Catastrophe Theory. He will have to play all kinds of perfection to gain back any benefit of the doubt he originally had, I think. I usually believe that the crowd usually rushes to judgement and is often, initially, wrong, or at least over-states the case. In this case...the crowd seems to have gotten it right...from the get-go. Sorry, Jeff. Still rooting for you, buddy, but it's keystone cops when you're out there. With every player, there seems to be some support group that will come to his aid with statistical defenses. I would like to see someone attempt this with Jeff, and play Devil's Advocate, and show how I and everyone else that cringes when he takes the floor, is misinterpreting what we are watching. Any takers? "There are lies, damn lies, and there are statistics." Some creative person ought to be able to craft some sort of defense!

[mrjap2x]

Did anyone else notice that one play last game where Ayres was called for an illegal/moving screen? He was exasperated with D. Green (I think) because he left too soon, just as Ayres got there to set the screen. Clearly not Ayres' fault, but it looked like he feels the pressure to play without committing his now infamously frequent fumbles, bumbles and mishaps. Not often that you see a relatively new Spur express such blatant frustration with a "veteran" Spur.
I saw that too. It looks likes he was saying wait multiple times.

[Chinook]

Ayres needs to stay calm. He'll get a shot to play again next season. He just needs to keep learning and working on his game.

[heyheymymy]

yeah that assist to Ayres in the Warriors game was as smooth and natural as it gets. Anyone that can make Ayres look good on a catch and finish at the basket right now is worth a second look imo. Manu can;t even do that right now.

[G-Dawgg]

Free Austin Daye.

[ceperez]

Do you remember how Jarret Jack in last year's playoff kept taking jump shots that the Spurs couldn't stop?

Anyway, if you put Austin Daye to cover players like this (i.e. Draymon Green), then it'll be the end of those easy jump shots.

Here's the reality, Daye is extremely long, can shoot and can dribble well.

He's an excellent pick up for the Spurs. He's a #15 pick just like Leonard.

Now, he's really thin, lacks strength, doesn't jump very high and I'm told has very slow lateral movement. However, guys with a lot of deficiencies seem to thrive with the Spurs. Look at Splitter and Green. Green doesn't seem to handle the ball well and is iffy when he drives to the rim. But he's an excellent shot from 3 and a very good shot blocker for his size.

So I haven't a clue as to why there's so much negativity against this player.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you remember how Jarret Jack in last year's playoff kept taking jump shots that the Spurs couldn't stop?

Anyway, if you put Austin Daye to cover players like this (i.e. Draymon Green), then it'll be the end of those easy jump shots.Maybe. He was pretty slow to come out of the paint against RGV microball. I just don't have enough evidence to draw conclusions about his perimeter defense yet.

[Chinook]

I do hope he sees time tonight. I imagine Bonner's going to be inactive, but Diaw could use some time off. Daye will likely have to play the four at least part-time to stick around, and the Sixers are small at PF. Seems like a good game to try out some small-ball sets.

[Mugen]

The Savior.

[ElNono]

http://pastorhunt.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/boy-and-dog-praying.jpg

[Splits]

http://newlife.id.au/wp-content/uploads/church1.jpg

[SilverSpur]

In liking what I'm seeing in Austin Daye. Really needs to add muscle.

[4down]

In liking what I'm seeing in Austin Daye. Really needs to add muscle.



Looking like what people were hoping to get from Richards eventually.

[Trill Clinton]

http://www.buzzsmile.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/profesorot-k-e-pochne-da-gi-vnesuva-krajnite-otsenki.gif

[Robz4000]

When does he get his jersey retired tbqh?

[ElNono]

:worthy:

[tim_duncan_fan]

lololololololololol

Where the fuck did this guy come from? He was just on their bench?

lmao c'mon Sixers.

[celldweller]

Sign me up now Damit!!!! :flag:

[exstatic]

When does he get his jersey retired tbqh?

A week before the HOF ceremony.

[HI-FI]

:hat I'll attend this sucka.

[tim_duncan_fan]

This nigga Austin Daye is all like

"Fuck yo team, clown."

[ElNono]

The white mamba

[Trill Clinton]

http://profetirando.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ofertando-com-alegria.gif

[Two10Whitey]

It's exciting to watch this but can he do something with the ball when defenders are all over him? Or is he another Danny Green?

[Prime Time]

19 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 steals. Would guess this is Kawhi's stat line 10 times out of 10 before I say Daye.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Daye-zed and confused.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

He's got a sweet stroke that reminds me of Reggie Miller.

[Hoops Czar]

It's exciting to watch this but can he do something with the ball when defenders are all over him? Or is he another Danny Green?

You mean can he knock down a shot if his defender isn't playing 10 ft off of him? Good question but it's certainly exciting to watch. what will he do next?

[313]

Danny, Kawhi, Daye would be a potent wing crew

[Mugen]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110619075229/uncyclopedia/images/c/c8/Benny_hinn_2.gif

[xmas1997]

Glad he is getting lots of touches. He is looking better and better.
FO does it again.

[KawhiLeonard]

Daye is going to be a cornerstone franchise player for the spurs for years to come. Finally we have someone to build around once Timmy steps down

[dallasmaverickslose]

When do Daye jerseys go on sale?

[Dex]

I'm a believer.

[timtonymanu]

Great performance by Daye. Should help his confidence for next season's training camp.

[ceperez]

Finally convinced?

[capek]

:wow Just checked the box score. Now I'm really looking forward to downloading and watching this game. :lol

[r0drig0lac]

Daye is going to be a cornerstone franchise player for the spurs for years to come. Finally we have someone to build around once Timmy steps down:lol :nope

[jkid12456]

Cant believe we found a gem out of Nando De Culo

[Gospursel]

Great performance by Daye. Should help his confidence for next season's training camp.

Lol. So funny that this is exactly the best case scenario

[cd021]

This nigga Austin Daye is all like

"Fuck yo team, clown."

[ginobilized]

Wow! Daye is astonishing thus far. He looks like a highly refined and intelligent basketball player. If there's anyone that can hide his weaknesses it's Pop.
He is really looking like he belongs and is obviously very focused and making every second on the court count. If he develops a role, this team is crazy good and an almost impossible matchup.

Who did he replace? Nando.....um, wow! That's a score if he can deliver anything.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Gotta wait for him to play 10+ minutes against a team not 20 games under .500 in order to see what he's really worth, but he did look good today and played good for the few minutes he was in against Golden State.

[sexinthatsx]

never thought this day would come... but BUMP!

[RD2191]

Chill the fuck out, dude played against the Sixers. The jizz fest is ridiculous.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Chill the fuck out, dude played against the Sixers. The jizz fest is ridiculous.

I nominate robdiaz for this here Temple's maiden sacrifice.

[lofds]

never thought this daye would come... but BUMP!
FIFY :toast

[Trill Clinton]

what a great sermon tonight from bishop dayehttp://i59.tinypic.com/2r1z2uu.png

the holy spirit was indeed with him tonighthttp://i59.tinypic.com/2r1z2uu.png

[BatManu20]

448291482546348034

[ceperez]

28:34 minutes of play
8-13 FG
6-10 3PM
+23
6 Rebounds
1 Assist
2 Steals
2 Block
22 points

Not bad for the 14th man.

[Old School 44]

True it was the Sixers, but shooting is shooting, you can tell this Daye has a great stroke. Not only that, you can see he was trying his best to fit in. Nothing forced...and that pass to Ayres was nice.

[.G.]

I believe that boy's got pontencha.

[Ellsworth]

When do Daye jerseys go on sale?

Heard they are already on SaLe at Big Lots :p:

Gonna go pick them all up... eBay, here I come :lmao

Old man better have him on that Playoff team or else :lobt2::hat:rollin

[benefactor]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110619075229/uncyclopedia/images/c/c8/Benny_hinn_2.gif
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[RD2191]

I nominate robdiaz for this here Temple's maiden sacrifice.
Shut your whore mouth.

[Boomersgold]

Daye's got a curry-like stroke. Been saying that since his Piston dayes.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Matt bonner needs to help him develop an awkward drive for the times he is wide up but doesn't feel like shooting it

[DapDaGenius]

Shut your whore mouth.

Don't worry, we're going to use LoneStar as the sacrifice.

[RD2191]

Don't worry, we're going to use LoneStar as the sacrifice.
:hat

[mrjap2x]

I could watch this all day.

http://www.nba.com/video/games/spurs/2014/03/24/0021301054-phi-sas-play3.nba

[DJR210]

I could watch this all day.

http://www.nba.com/video/games/spurs/2014/03/24/0021301054-phi-sas-play3.nba

Nice.

[jag]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rGV995pedkA/ULZ9qtdBayI/AAAAAAAADiM/BRyZp6P-t-g/s1600/black-woman-clapping.gif

[NickiRasgo]

Nando won't be able to produce that against Sixers.

[AFBlue]

I can't decide if he's going to replace Ayres, Bonner, Diaw or all three.

[Boomersgold]

I can't decide if he's going to replace Ayres, Bonner, Diaw or all three.
Can't score in the post like Diaw, so there's no chance that Daye replaces Diaw.

[Budkin]

Damn that trade is looking better and better.

[DapDaGenius]

I can't decide if he's going to replace Ayres, Bonner, Diaw or all three.

Just Bonner and Ayres. Diaw is very valuable as he is a versatile player. Where as Bonner only shoots 3's and Ayres is only good for confusing the other team, b/c even he doesn't know what he is doing.

[exstatic]

Just Bonner and Ayres. Diaw is very valuable as he is a versatile player. Where as Bonner only shoots 3's and Ayres is only good for confusing the other team, b/c even he doesn't know what he is doing.

The "or all three" should have been your sarcasm detection clue....

[cd021]

Can't score in the post like Diaw, so there's no chance that Daye replaces Diaw.

All 3 are free agents. I think he was referring to that aspect not necessarily the on court part.

[exstatic]

All 3 are free agents. I think he was referring to that aspect not necessarily the on court part.

Ayres is not a free agent.

[jag]

I can't decide if he's going to replace Ayres, Bonner, Diaw or all three.

He will replace Tim and Manu. Kawhi will be a hell of a backup.

[gameFACE]

Ayres-out, Daye's Inn.

[DarrinS]

Hard to judge, based on this opposition, but I like what I see. Forget the shooting, I'm more impressed by everything else he did.

[heyheymymy]

http://ryandurgy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/lawd-baby-gif1.gif

[DarrinS]

Lot of upside with this kid

[Go0n]

http://i.cubeupload.com/YgWVAY.png

[jkid12456]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHl1dmMnyAM#start=0:00;end=2:01;cycles=-1;autoreplay=false;showoptions=false

"Oh great. Just what the Spurs needed. Another really good bench player picked up for nothing from another team. There may have been some doubt before as to how many games they would win the finals in. Now that number certainly is four.

Who is this great bench player? Jeff Ayres of course!

Hold on. Wait. Mixed up my notecards again. Frickin' archaic technology. Okay. Here we are. Austin Daye!

I'm surprised too. After a promising start with the Pistons, Daye has fallen off the earth and floated to the Kuiper Belt. He didn't do anything at all with the Raptors, despite the excitement of Raptors fans when they acquired him. I was excited too; the concept of a 6-10 stick-figure shooting guard is intriguing. And up until now he hasn't done anything with the Spurs either. I think maybe he's hit one shot for them. (basketball-reference proves me wrong again. It's two.)

I know, I know. It's the 76ers. Any stats accumulated against them shouldn't really count. But they do. And Austin accumulated 22 points and 6 (wide open) threes in his first major action in forever. Next step: accumulate some goddamn milkshakes or protein bars. Holy crap.

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[DapDaGenius]

The "or all three" should have been your sarcasm detection clue....

I figured he was talking potential wise....

[Venti Quattro]

Great performance by Daye. Should help his confidence for next season's training camp.

http://www.kaneconsulting.biz/wp-content/uploads/migrated/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/debbie-downer.jpg

Get the fuck out of this thread, you miser tbh

[8FOR!3]

I would say he's more built for the backup 4 than Jeff Ayres.

Manu Ginobili
Patty Mills
Marco Belinelli
Austin Daye
Boris Diaw

It's crazy how good that bench lineup is at passing and shooting the 3. I would say Daye's length gives him the defensive advantage over Ayres.

[SpurPadre]

If Bonner really cared about this team, he'd release Pop's family out of ransom and step aside to let Daye take his spot in the playoffs.

[mystargtr34]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110619075229/uncyclopedia/images/c/c8/Benny_hinn_2.gif

:rollin

[ceperez]

If Bonner really cared about this team, he'd release Pop's family out of ransom and step aside to let Daye take his spot in the playoffs.

+1

[ceperez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHl1dmMnyAM#start=0:00;end=2:01;cycles=-1;autoreplay=false;showoptions=false


Unlike Bonner, Daye is able to make his shot even with someone in front of him. He was covered in his first two shots.

Going to be a very big asset for special situations in the playoffs.

This is what the Spurs missed for so long when Robert Horry left. Someone to nail the 3 when covered.

[jermaine]

You can't tell me Pop's dick didnt get hard after seeing that. But you gotta remember, in the Spurs system you tend to get alotta open looks. That's why Marco is having is best shoot yr of his career! Daye just happen to be 6'10.

[jag]

This is what the Spurs missed for so long when Robert Horry left. .

I love this thread

[superbigtime]

His defense, quickness and court awareness were really something. Was at this sorry game, and people were getting excited about the new guy! Certainly he is better than bonner.

[Biggems]

Daye is the perfect asset to have against the Thunder. He has the length and athleticism to do an adequate job of frustrating Durant. He also has 6 fouls to burn, Leonard and Beli to be able to use their fouls in a more frugal manner.

[jermaine]

I wanna play with Daye on 2k14. My tall line up would be
Ginobili
Green
Leonard
Daye
Duncan! That line up for those who play with the Heat an put Wade at pg. An for the Thunder too!
Bench would go like this.
Parker
Marco
Diaw
Ayers
Splitter. My record is 108wins an 30 losses. No quits. If I see im bout to lose I play with my vench to get better with them. Daye on 2k14, who do I need to email??

[SpursFan86]

Daye is the perfect asset to have against the Thunder. He has the length and athleticism to do an adequate job of frustrating Durant. He also has 6 fouls to burn, Leonard and Beli to be able to use their fouls in a more frugal manner.

I don't know about that. Thad Young blew by him a couple times last night...Daye would have a REALLY hard time staying with Durant. Hell, that's not even an easy guard for Kawhi.

I mean, I'd rather have Daye guarding him than Belinelli...but that's not saying much. In the playoffs, it'd be best for Kawhi or Green to be on Durant at all times, or at least as much as possible.

[Biggems]

I don't know about that. Thad Young blew by him a couple times last night...Daye would have a REALLY hard time staying with Durant. Hell, that's not even an easy guard for Kawhi.

I mean, I'd rather have Daye guarding him than Belinelli...but that's not saying much. In the playoffs, it'd be best for Kawhi or Green to be on Durant at all times, or at least as much as possible.

Durant is going to get his, that is obvious.....but Daye has 6 fouls to waste.....Kawhi does not. I would use Daye in the first half for a few minutes to spell Kawhi, also a little bit in the 3rd. Then, in the 4th, Kawhi has no foul trouble and can be all up in Durant's grill.

[bklynspursfan]

He looks really comfortable out there. His spacing, knowing where to be, etc... He seems to be grasping what we want to do rather quickly which is nice. Not all guys pick it up like that

[Old School 44]

Great game! I hope he gets some more significant minutes to play before the season's up. I hope they don't give him the same treatment as Ian Mahinmi a few years ago. Not saying either of them are saviors or anything, but I remember Ian had a couple good games where I'm thinking he earned some additional looks and then NOTHING!

[xellos88330]

Although Daye had a great defensive night, most of it was off of help defense. He needs to improve his 1 on 1 defensive foot speed to become a good defender. His lateral quickness is a bit lacking and his strides seem too long. I am not trying to bring the guy down, but if he wants to get consistent playing time, this is what he needs to work on the most. I hope the staff works hard with him to shore up this weakness. Should he fix it this off season, he could be a HUGE asset to the Spurs.

[ginobilized]

vs. OKC I see the Daye possibility more that Durant has to guard him a little. Making Durant work on D is a huge factor in beating OKC.
KD and Daye have some history playing against each other....could be interesting, but, Pop isn't going to get too trigger happy with Daye's mins, I'd predict.

[Embedded]

With Austin Daye's height and long arms, could his three shooting mean that defenders have to come out an extra 1-2 steps to guard him? That would open up the lane even more. He doesn't have a high release like, say, Rashard Lewis, but he is almost 7 feet tall with long arms.

[wildbill2u]

It is a given that the Spurs staff will improve a coachable player if he will buy into the system and his role in it. He already has a nice shooting touch from the arc. I saw some sneaky passing around the basket that should give some sweet assists for easy baskets--if he plays with someone other than Ayers. He may be thin, but he was williing to go into the paint and got a few rebounds and blocks. He should damn sure spread the court.

Right now I'd play him behind Kwahi against long 3s, until he proves he can't handle it. You can't expect the same performance every nite, but who knows? If he could put up Half the stats from this game on a regular basis, it would be a damn fine addition to the rotation.

This guy may be the fabled "long 3" we've been searching for.

[ceperez]

With Austin Daye's height and long arms, could his three shooting mean that defenders have to come out an extra 1-2 steps to guard him? That would open up the lane even more. He doesn't have a high release like, say, Rashard Lewis, but he is almost 7 feet tall with long arms.

If he steps out two more feet away from the 3 point line, like what Brent Barry used to do, then it would be an impossible cover.

Think for a moment what you saw in the last game. In at least two of his six made 3 pointers, the defender was able to close out on him. If that was Bonner, the shot would not have been taken at all.

This guys is *very* dangerous in a playoff situation. His shot is almost as smooth as Steph Curry. Heck, if he were given the green light like Curry, he would be just as deadly.

[ceperez]

He looks really comfortable out there. His spacing, knowing where to be, etc... He seems to be grasping what we want to do rather quickly which is nice. Not all guys pick it up like that

The game for him should be very simple. Just stand there behind the 3 point line and when he gets a bit of daylight, fire away!

It doesn't appear that any of his 10 3 point attempts were forced attempts, none were really challenged.

6 out of 10 is 60%, with an effective shooting percentage of 90%.

It was not only a good shooting night for Daye, he blocked 2 shots ( a 3rd was not counted ) and had 2 steals. Add the 6 rebounds to that too. It is just ridiculous stats!!

[ceperez]

Although Daye had a great defensive night, most of it was off of help defense. He needs to improve his 1 on 1 defensive foot speed to become a good defender. His lateral quickness is a bit lacking and his strides seem too long. I am not trying to bring the guy down, but if he wants to get consistent playing time, this is what he needs to work on the most. I hope the staff works hard with him to shore up this weakness. Should he fix it this off season, he could be a HUGE asset to the Spurs.

Yes, agree. His foot speed appears to be in slow motion. However, his length compensates a lot for his difficiency in defense.

But wait... maybe you're a bit biased here... did Daye not get two blocks ( a 3rd was not counted), two steals and 6 defensive rebounds. Does that not count as having good defense?

[ceperez]

Daye is the perfect asset to have against the Thunder. He has the length and athleticism to do an adequate job of frustrating Durant. He also has 6 fouls to burn, Leonard and Beli to be able to use their fouls in a more frugal manner.

Wonder if he could be effective guarding Chris Bosh?

[KawhiLeonard]

All Daye. RC finds another gem its gonna get to the point where other GMs are going to blackball RC if they havent already

[Mugen]

There were some tweets last night saying that Pop wept openly at Austin's feet after the game. I'm not normally a religious person but I think Austin's great game yesterday was foretold in the Book of Revelations and I'm scared to death. Can't wait for the playoffs!

:flag:

[ElNono]

He's like a pale-looking Paul George with bigger upside. Would've been an All Star this season if he wasn't stuck in Toronto, tbh...

[eDizzle20]

Defensively I think Daye could be us against 4's or 5's with little offensive game, i.e. Birdman. He could also play 3's that are relatively immobile, i.e. Matt Barnes. So far from what he has shown with his bball IQ, shooting, help d, and rebounding there's no excuse he shouldn't get some decent playing time in the last 12 games. After that Pop will have a clear idea if he is suitable for the playoff rotation. I am really thankful at this point that De Colo requested a trade.

[Prime Time]

Serious comparison - did Austin Daye remind anyone else of Channing Frye? I don't know, maybe it was just the way his shots/style looked - but it gave me unwanted flashbacks of Frye going apeshit on San Antonio back in 2010.

[ceperez]

Serious comparison - did Austin Daye remind anyone else of Channing Frye? I don't know, maybe it was just the way his shots/style looked - but it gave me unwanted flashbacks of Frye going apeshit on San Antonio back in 2010.

Reminded me of how Suns destroyed the Spurs with a big man that hit lots of 3's. With Daye on the floor, the Spurs will always have an option of taking a 3 that isn't contested. The only real way to contest Daye at the 3 is to have a big man glued to him on the perimeter.

[Sobe_Kucks]

If Bonner really cared about this team, he'd release Pop's family out of ransom and step aside to let Daye take his spot in the playoffs.
:lmao

[r0drig0lac]

:lol

[Mel_13]

Matt Bonner had an MRI that confirmed right calf strain today. Out about two weeks. Bonner injury news ensures new fan fave Austin Daye will be in uniform for approximately the next two weeks.
https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN

[wildbill2u]

Serious comparison - did Austin Daye remind anyone else of Channing Frye? I don't know, maybe it was just the way his shots/style looked - but it gave me unwanted flashbacks of Frye going apeshit on San Antonio back in 2010.

First player comparison I thought of, then I went batshit crazy and thought of Dirk.

[Dex]

Matt Bonner had an MRI that confirmed right calf strain today. Out about two weeks. Bonner injury news ensures new fan fave Austin Daye will be in uniform for approximately the next two weeks.
https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN

Pop just resting the Mamba to keep him ready for the playoffs.

[poeticism707]

Matt bonner needs to help him develop an awkward drive for the times he is wide up but doesn't feel like shooting it

:rollin:rollin:rollin

[ceperez]

First player comparison I thought of, then I went batshit crazy and thought of Dirk.

Probably has same foot speed as Dirk.

[poeticism707]

All Daye. RC finds another gem its gonna get to the point where other GMs are going to blackball RC if they havent already

:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Embedded]

Daye doesn't panic with the ball. Cool and floor-aware. He was less panicky than some veterans on our team. I'm not naming names, just sayin

[poeticism707]

It is a given that the Spurs staff will improve a coachable player if he will buy into the system and his role in it. He already has a nice shooting touch from the arc. I saw some sneaky passing around the basket that should give some sweet assists for easy baskets--if he plays with someone other than Ayers. He may be thin, but he was williing to go into the paint and got a few rebounds and blocks. He should damn sure spread the court.

Right now I'd play him behind Kwahi against long 3s, until he proves he can't handle it. You can't expect the same performance every nite, but who knows? If he could put up Half the stats from this game on a regular basis, it would be a damn fine addition to the rotation.

This guy may be the fabled "long 3" we've been searching for.

This.

Spurs are aleady the best team in the NBA, and on a vengence tour for a few miscues that cost them #5 last year.

Can you imagine Daye, at 6'11, coming in and averaging 10-12 points per game a night, with very efficent and clutch (as he already proved clutch in Detroit) shooting?

You think the Spurs are embarrasing the league now?

It would be All Night and All Daye.

Props to him.

Love fearless shooters, or in other words, the antithesis of Matt Bonner.

[r0drig0lac]

:lobt2:

[r0drig0lac]

[QUOTE = Mel_13; 7207474]Matt Bonner had an MRI that confirmed right calf strain today. Out about two weeks. Bonner injury news ensures new fan fave Austin Daye will be in uniform for approximately the next two weeks.
https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN[/ QUOTE]


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[Splits]

Have they cancelled the season and given us the LOB yet?

[Captivus]

Can he defend the 4, thats the key IMO. If he can, his 3 point shot would open a lot of space on offense, but only if he can defend the 4.

[Mel_13]

Can he defend the 4, thats the key IMO. If he can, his 3 point shot would open a lot of space on offense, but only if he can defend the 4.

The very tiny sample from last night is not encouraging (watch the defensive sequences against Thad Young in the first half), but I don't have any idea how much he's done that in his career. If he's retained for next season, I'd imagine that would be an area of emphasis this summer. His future with the Spurs, if any, would seem to be as a stretch 4. He appears determined to stay with the Spurs and Pop was certainly impressed with what he brings on the offensive side.

[Hoops Czar]

Daye doesn't panic with the ball. Cool and floor-aware. He was less panicky than some veterans on our team. I'm not naming names, just sayin

Yes, don't have to panick much when your defender is playing 10 feet off of you. That was a glorified scrimmage and the players knew it.

[Dex]

The very tiny sample from last night is not encouraging (watch the defensive sequences against Thad Young in the first half), but I don't have any idea how much he's done that in his career. If he's retained for next season, I'd imagine that would be an area of emphasis this summer. His future with the Spurs, if any, would seem to be as a stretch 4. He appears determined to stay with the Spurs and Pop was certainly impressed with what he brings on the offensive side.

If he has one thing to work on, it is definitely his one-on-one defense. He got blown by off the dribble several times last night, and not even just on mismatches, especially early in the game. He seemed to find more of a flow once he got comfortable (aka started putting the ball in the basket) and realized Pop wasn't going to pull him after a few miscues.

Dude could also stand to eat a Whataburger or two.

[ElNono]

The very tiny sample from last night is not encouraging (watch the defensive sequences against Thad Young in the first half), but I don't have any idea how much he's done that in his career. If he's retained for next season, I'd imagine that would be an area of emphasis this summer. His future with the Spurs, if any, would seem to be as a stretch 4. He appears determined to stay with the Spurs and Pop was certainly impressed with what he brings on the offensive side.

He wasn't that bad, IMO... Young is a starter after all, and he has schooled much better players than Daye. I thought overall he boxed out and rebounded well (both against Philly and GSW), and has some shot blocking going for him. He has to muscle up more to be more effective though.

[ABC]

^
It looked like he got blown by soooo easily though. By a PF. You could see why they aren't playing him as a SF.

[Dex]

http://www.ktvz.com/sports/Daye-sees-light-leads-Spurs-over-76ers/25147862


"I just try to be professional and be ready when my number is called," said the 6-foot-11, 200-pound Daye. "I try not to do too much. This system is amazing and solid. It fits pretty well for myself. When the trade happened, I told people I screamed into my pillow I was so happy."

Coach Gregg Popovich said he is impressed with Daye's skills.

"Obviously he can shoot it, but he's also a good passer," Popovich said. "He knows how to play the game."


Sounds like he is feeling comfortable so far.

[Captivus]

He wasn't that bad, IMO... Young is a starter after all, and he has schooled much better players than Daye. I thought overall he boxed out and rebounded well (both against Philly and GSW), and has some shot blocking going for him. He has to muscle up more to be more effective though.

Agree...he doesn't have to defend the 4, he has to defend the bench 4.

[exstatic]

^
It looked like he got blown by soooo easily though. By a PF. You could see why they aren't playing him as a SF.

This. He's polished on offense, surprisingly polished, but he's the turd in the punch bowl on D. With his length, he's GOT to be able to at least stay relatively in front of his man.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The very tiny sample from last night is not encouraging (watch the defensive sequences against Thad Young in the first half), but I don't have any idea how much he's done that in his career. If he's retained for next season, I'd imagine that would be an area of emphasis this summer. His future with the Spurs, if any, would seem to be as a stretch 4. He appears determined to stay with the Spurs and Pop was certainly impressed with what he brings on the offensive side.

Austin Daye is too light in the shorts to defend most 4's. David Lee, Blake Griffin, David West, Lebron James, and some othr playoff PF would destroy him.

Pop found his smallball 4 though.

[palangi]

Watching the highlights from the sixers game he reminds me a lot of channing frye. And I don't think that is a bad thing.

I actually posted a lot of trade ideas to aquire him this past offseason. so getting him was pretty nice for me. I think he fits exactly what we do as an organization. Plus he adds great length. I don't think he is a super star by any means but I do believe he will be a more all around effective matt bonner type. He brings more length, athleticism, and dribbing than what bonner does. His help side defense will be tremendous.

[palangi]

Yes but his length will also bother these guys you mentioned as well.

[palangi]

I think he will be more a helpside defender much like a kirilenko is. plus I don't think defense has been stressed much to him. He will improve being in san antonio.

[AFBlue]

Reminds me of a taller Marcus Williams tbqh.

[exstatic]

I think he will be more a helpside defender much like a kirilenko is. plus I don't think defense has been stressed much to him. He will improve being in san antonio.

It's not knowledge, it's lack of athleticism. Comparison combine numbers for three Spurs players: the first number (in seconds) is the lane agility test time, the second is the 3/4 court sprint.

Kawhi 11.45 3.15
Danny 11.30 3.30
Austin 12.11 3.55

He's a plodder. If he were 6'6" he would never have made an NBA roster. His size allows him to get off a pretty jumper, he has some decent ball handling and passing skills, and good BBIQ, but he'll never even be an average defender. I think if the Spurs had drafted him they would have put him on a weight and eating program and put a solid 25-30 lbs on him and made him a 4. The question is, why waste time on a 25 YO stretch 4 project in Tim's probably last year next season when you can go out and sign Channing Frye this summer? You don't.

[KawhiLeonard]

i was just watching the thunder play the mavs and i couldn't help but notice this guy durant plays so much like Daye. The fluidity of his movement, unmatched athleticism, Kawhi Leonard type length, ball handing for a 6'11 player is so much like daye. I think in a couple of years Durant has the potential to be close to that of an Austin Daye, but i could be wrong it is very rare to replicate the skill/length/explosiveness of AD "All Daye".

[ElNono]

i was just watching the thunder play the mavs and i couldn't help but notice this guy durant plays so much like Daye. The fluidity of his movement, unmatched athleticism, Kawhi Leonard type length, ball handing for a 6'11 player is so much like daye. I think in a couple of years Durant has the potential to be close to that of an Austin Daye, but i could be wrong it is very rare to replicate the skill/length/explosiveness of AD "All Daye".

Don't see it... that Durant kid is a chucker, tbh... plus, who loses to the Mavs???

[ABC]

Kawhi 11.45 3.15
Danny 11.30 3.30
Bonner 11.52 3.32
Austin 12.11 3.55



Granted Bonner is much slower now than he was in 2003, but still... Daye has an uphill battle on defense.

[palangi]

It's not knowledge, it's lack of athleticism. Comparison combine numbers for three Spurs players: the first number (in seconds) is the lane agility test time, the second is the 3/4 court sprint.

Kawhi 11.45 3.15
Danny 11.30 3.30
Austin 12.11 3.55

He's a plodder. If he were 6'6" he would never have made an NBA roster. His size allows him to get off a pretty jumper, he has some decent ball handling and passing skills, and good BBIQ, but he'll never even be an average defender. I think if the Spurs had drafted him they would have put him on a weight and eating program and put a solid 25-30 lbs on him and made him a 4. The question is, why waste time on a 25 YO stretch 4 project in Tim's probably last year next season when you can go out and sign Channing Frye this summer? You don't.
How did larry bird ever make it?
tim duncan isn't a superior athlete.
dirk nowviski isn't a great athlete.


Your thinking is a plodder!

[mrjap2x]

^
It looked like he got blown by soooo easily though. By a PF. You could see why they aren't playing him as a SF.
If you are talking about Young, wasn't he a SF from the beginning of his career. So Daye didn't exactly got abused by a traditional PF.

[palangi]

If you are talking about Young, wasn't he a SF from the beginning of his career. So Daye didn't exactly got abused by a traditional PF.
Young go around a lot of people. thaddeus young is a very athletic fast twitched guy.

[Chinook]

How did larry bird ever make it?
tim duncan isn't a superior athlete.
dirk nowviski isn't a great athlete.


Your thinking is a plodder!

All of those guys are bigs or would be in today's NBA. Dirk has always been a poor defender, and Duncan was always serviceable at best on the perimeter. Can't speak about Bird, but the NBA was different when he played.

Exstatic's point stands. Physically, Daye is very limited as a defender. His length should allow him to contest jump shots well, but he isn't keeping anyone in front of them, and he's too weak in the post. He's best used as a situational player not unlike how Mills was used last season.

[Hoops Czar]

Malik Hairston syndrome. This will pass eventually.

[ceperez]

Granted Bonner is much slower now than he was in 2003, but still... Daye has an uphill battle on defense.

Daye looked very slow in that game against the Sixers... but he still scored 22 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 steals.

He looks a little bit faster in the D-league clip with the Toros.

Watch the clip with him in Detroit, seems to be quicker.

So playing slow and deliberate makes him better? Does all that length compensate for a lack of speed?

Ducnan barely gets off the ground, but he contests a lot of shots. Given a choice of length versus athleticism in defense, I'll choose length.

[exstatic]

If you are talking about Young, wasn't he a SF from the beginning of his career. So Daye didn't exactly got abused by a traditional PF.

Young also posted him up. Several times. Easily. If you're categorizing Young as a SF, then Daye is getting posted up by SFs.

Daye either needs to get MUCH quicker AND faster (not happening) and play SF, or he needs to put on 25-30 solid muscle pounds by September, not getting caught using roids, and play PF.

[AFBlue]

Young also posted him up. Several times. Easily. If you're categorizing Young as a SF, then Daye is getting posted up by SFs.

Daye either needs to get MUCH quicker AND faster (not happening) and play SF, or he needs to put on 25-30 solid muscle pounds by September, not getting caught using roids, and play PF.

Or he could stay exactly how he is and be a serviceable rotation player as a stretch 4/situational 3. His length and IQ will make up somewhat for his disadvantage in strength or speed.

[ABC]

Daye looked very slow in that game against the Sixers... but he still scored 22 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 steals.

He looks a little bit faster in the D-league clip with the Toros.

Watch the clip with him in Detroit, seems to be quicker.

So playing slow and deliberate makes him better? Does all that length compensate for a lack of speed?

Ducnan barely gets off the ground, but he contests a lot of shots. Given a choice of length versus athleticism in defense, I'll choose length.

Don't get me wrong, I love getting excited about new Spurs' players and Daye showed why he was drafted 15th in 2009. He also showed why he hasn't played much in his NBA career. Hopefully Pop can figure out a way to use him that takes advantage of his strengths and hides his weaknesses. His length should help. Daye's effort is certainly there and he's been fun to watch.

[playbonner15]

I would suggest playing him as the center for small ball lineups. With Kawhi at the PF:

Small ball line-up: Mills-Green-Belinelli-Leonard-Daye

Everybody's gonna hang around the 3 while Kawhi postups - similar to a 4-Down Postup play for Tim Duncan

and lol at Daye. Kid is slower than Bonner :lol

[Biggems]

Wonder if he could be effective guarding Chris Bosh?

probably not, Bosh is a lot more physical than Durant. I'm not saying Bosh is a banger, but compared to Durant, he most certainly is. Durant is the absolute definition of a finesse player.

[G-Dawgg]

Daye did a decent job on defense. Give credit where it's due. Whether or not he keeps this level of play up is another story, but he played a very good gamon both sides of the ball. .....next game.

[look_at_g_shred]

If the guy has the foot speed and the discipline to not bite on pump fakes, he could really be another good option to throw on Durant, Parsons, Harden, Ibaka. All guys who kill us with their mid-range games.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Now, I am not saying the lane agility test is worthless...it's not. All measureables are useful in adding to the pot when making a soupy conclusion, but people put far too much emphasis on a number here and there. You can't throw all of "Lane Agility Test" and "3/4 time" into the pot and call it a soup. It takes far more ingredients. Again, it's an unfair weighting of the constituent attributes that make a player. It is how one team trades for value over another. One team may see how certain disadvantages are not as relevant as have been deemed by the masses, and discover novel or not-so-novel ways to utilize a player that has been discarded. Good thing RC and Pop were not weighing Kawhi's lane agility time too heavily during the draft. And, good thing maybe other front offices were? Heck, Kawhi's time isn't even fast for guys his same height, but we're comparing Daye to shorter dudes, despite a probable positive correlation (I didn't not calculate "r", just assumed it from looking at trends and seeming common sense, forgive me.) between height and lane agility time. Someone with a lot of time would crunch those numbers, find some standard deviations, breakdowns within position, medians, means, etc. Not me. Not for free.

Miles Plumlee 10.64 3.36 Look at this speedy mother!
Kawhi 11.45 3.15
Danny 11.30 3.30
Bonner 11.52 3.32
Channing Frye 11.60 3.38 $6.4 million a year
Demarcus Cousins 10.64 3.55
DeAndre Jordan 12.30 3.27 $10 million a year, defensive, quick, athletic FREAK as per DraftExpress
Kevin Durant 12.33 3.45 $16.5 million a year, arguably best player in the NBA
Austin 12.11 3.55 $900k 12/13th man prospect, currently, traded for Nando DeColo (scoring 2 points in Toronto, since)

How much would you have to give up to go get Channing Frye, would he even come, and what improvement over Daye would he be? I am not saying he will be, but I would not be surprised to see Daye be better in several categories, for half the price or less after a season with The Spurs.

BONNER DESTROYS DURANT (And Channing Frye, et. al.)!
GREEN MORE HALF-COURT DEFENSIVE POTENTIAL THAN KAWHI!

Holy shit! The little sarcastic meme going around SpursTalk, where people pretend that anyone said that Daye was better than Kevin Durant, and either argue against that straw man, or make hackneyed jokes about it being true...well it is true! At least in the half-court (lane agility)! Wow, just wow. Sign him up for $16.5 million Oh, wait?

He must have better defensive upside than Durant in all aspects of defense that the lane agility measurable definitively determines!

The truth about that lane agility number? The percentage differences between all of those players listed is very small, less than 10% difference across all of them. None of them are elite. They all have relatively pedestrian lane agility times. A truly elite time in the lane agility test seems to be in the low 8's to 9-10, for example. What is the percentage difference between someone in the low 8's and our lock down defenders times, Kawhi and Danny? HUGE percent difference. So, looking at that lane agility time - and attempting to measure their defensive prowess based heavily upon it would be silliness.

Yet, we are (and I use the royal we), attempting to use these negligible differences between Bonner, Kawhi, Green, and Daye to make a DRAMMATIC conclusion that there is no way he will be able to play any defense whatsoever. It's a foundation on sandy ground.

Again, on a time of 11.25-12.25, a .5 second difference here and there, or .7, or .8...not a huge difference there...

Kawhi, our lock down defender? 11.45 - 8.5 (an elite time in that drill) = 2.95 seconds. Wow, Kawhi is one slow mother! Except, wait. He's a badass.

The take-away? Although that lane agility number is not exactly a shit statistic, putting a whole lot of faith in it telling you whether or not a player is going to be a good defender is dangerous.

There is a lot bigger percentage difference in the 3/4 time, and maybe a better argument against Daye, there, but it's not conclusive, either. 3.55 is not the slowest speed out there, even among starters in the NBA, much less role-playing bench guys.

It's difficult to compare across positions, but that is Pop's job, to find situations where his weaknesses are minimized and his strengths are maximized. When Daye plays, it is not fair to say he is "slow for his position" while omitting the information "he is tall for his position", etc. When he leaves the bench, he doesn't leave those positive aspects of his being on the pine. He takes them with him, into the game. I watched a smaller guy blow by him, one-on-one...and then get his shot swatted back from the side as he went around. Without sounding as if I am trying to attibute super-powers to him, or something, it even seemed as if Daye hedged/baited the smaller player to try to go around him...with the desired result.

Athletic ability is just a component of defense. Bruce Bowen was no athletic freak.

When Daye made that sweet steal and pass to Joseph at the basket, he still had a 12.11 and 3.55, but he was situationally aware.

By the way, isn't it sad that on that little wrap-around ball fake and pass to CoJo (who then passed to Duncan), he didn't record an assist OR a basket. More intangible stuff that he brings to the table. That didn't show up in the box score, but sure displayed some basketball savvy and skill.

Gotta run, late! Take care, and forgive all the typos- and what-not!

[palangi]

Well it is official now. Kevin Durrant is terrible. look at his times. he is Austin Daye SLOW!!!!!!!:lmao


Now, I am not saying the lane agility test is worthless...it's not. All measureables are useful in adding to the pot when making a soupy conclusion, but people put far too much emphasis on a number here and there. You can't throw all of "Lane Agility Test" and "3/4 time" into the pot and call it a soup. It takes far more ingredients. Again, it's an unfair weighting of the constituent attributes that make a player. It is how one team trades for value over another. One team may see how certain disadvantages are not as relevant as have been deemed by the masses, and discover novel or not-so-novel ways to utilize a player that has been discarded. Good thing RC and Pop were not weighing Kawhi's lane agility time too heavily during the draft. And, good thing maybe other front offices were? Heck, Kawhi's time isn't even fast for guys his same height, but we're comparing Daye to shorter dudes, despite a probable positive correlation (I didn't not calculate "r", just assumed it from looking at trends and seeming common sense, forgive me.) between height and lane agility time. Someone with a lot of time would crunch those numbers, find some standard deviations, breakdowns within position, medians, means, etc. Not me. Not for free.

Miles Plumlee 10.64 3.36 Look at this speedy mother!
Kawhi 11.45 3.15
Danny 11.30 3.30
Bonner 11.52 3.32
Channing Frye 11.60 3.38 $6.4 million a year
Demarcus Cousins 10.64 3.55
DeAndre Jordan 12.30 3.27 $10 million a year, defensive, quick, athletic FREAK as per DraftExpress
Kevin Durant 12.33 3.45 $16.5 million a year, arguably best player in the NBA
Austin 12.11 3.55 $900k 12/13th man prospect, currently, traded for Nando DeColo (scoring 2 points in Toronto, since)

How much would you have to give up to go get Channing Frye, would he even come, and what improvement over Daye would he be? I am not saying he will be, but I would not be surprised to see Daye be better in several categories, for half the price or less after a season with The Spurs.

BONNER DESTROYS DURANT (And Channing Frye, et. al.)!
GREEN MORE HALF-COURT DEFENSIVE POTENTIAL THAN KAWHI!

Holy shit! The little sarcastic meme going around SpursTalk, where people pretend that anyone said that Daye was better than Kevin Durant, and either argue against that straw man, or make hackneyed jokes about it being true...well it is true! At least in the half-court (lane agility)! Wow, just wow. Sign him up for $16.5 million Oh, wait?

He must have better defensive upside than Durant in all aspects of defense that the lane agility measurable definitively determines!

The truth about that lane agility number? The percentage differences between all of those players listed is very small, less than 10% difference across all of them. None of them are elite. They all have relatively pedestrian lane agility times. A truly elite time in the lane agility test seems to be in the low 8's to 9-10, for example. What is the percentage difference between someone in the low 8's and our lock down defenders times, Kawhi and Danny? HUGE percent difference. So, looking at that lane agility time - and attempting to measure their defensive prowess based heavily upon it would be silliness.

Yet, we are (and I use the royal we), attempting to use these negligible differences between Bonner, Kawhi, Green, and Daye to make a DRAMMATIC conclusion that there is no way he will be able to play any defense whatsoever. It's a foundation on sandy ground.

Again, on a time of 11.25-12.25, a .5 second difference here and there, or .7, or .8...not a huge difference there...

Kawhi, our lock down defender? 11.45 - 8.5 (an elite time in that drill) = 2.95 seconds. Wow, Kawhi is one slow mother! Except, wait. He's a badass.

The take-away? Although that lane agility number is not exactly a shit statistic, putting a whole lot of faith in it telling you whether or not a player is going to be a good defender is dangerous.

There is a lot bigger percentage difference in the 3/4 time, and maybe a better argument against Daye, there, but it's not conclusive, either. 3.55 is not the slowest speed out there, even among starters in the NBA, much less role-playing bench guys.

It's difficult to compare across positions, but that is Pop's job, to find situations where his weaknesses are minimized and his strengths are maximized. When Daye plays, it is not fair to say he is "slow for his position" while omitting the information "he is tall for his position", etc. When he leaves the bench, he doesn't leave those positive aspects of his being on the pine. He takes them with him, into the game. I watched a smaller guy blow by him, one-on-one...and then get his shot swatted back from the side as he went around. Without sounding as if I am trying to attibute super-powers to him, or something, it even seemed as if Daye hedged/baited the smaller player to try to go around him...with the desired result.

Athletic ability is just a component of defense. Bruce Bowen was no athletic freak.

When Daye made that sweet steal and pass to Joseph at the basket, he still had a 12.11 and 3.55, but he was situationally aware.

By the way, isn't it sad that on that little wrap-around ball fake and pass to CoJo (who then passed to Duncan), he didn't record an assist OR a basket. More intangible stuff that he brings to the table. That didn't show up in the box score, but sure displayed some basketball savvy and skill.

Gotta run, late! Take care, and forgive all the typos- and what-not!

[Mel_13]

If the guy has the foot speed and the discipline to not bite on pump fakes, he could really be another good option to throw on Durant, Parsons, Harden, Ibaka. All guys who kill us with their mid-range games.

Daye has always been able to shoot from range. He shot over 42% from beyond the arc at Gonzaga and he shot over 40% from distance while playing over 1400 minutes for Detroit in his second NBA season. Now, you combine that deadeye shooting and the ability to guard to players like the ones you mention and you'd really have something. Of course, if he combined those two abilities this thread wouldn't exist. Austin Daye would still be in Detroit in year 1 of lucrative extension to his rookie contract, not desperately trying to hold on to his NBA career playing on a partially guaranteed minimum deal.

[playbonner15]

Of course, if he combined those two abilities this thread wouldn't exist. Austin Daye would still be in Detroit in year 1 of lucrative extension to his rookie contract, not desperately trying to hold on to his NBA career playing on a partially guaranteed minimum deal.

Memphis cut him coz he would just jack up 3s whenever he gets the ball and then won't play a lick of D.

[wildbill2u]

DeAndre Jordan 12.30 3.27 $10 million a year, defensive, quick, athletic FREAK as per DraftExpress
Kevin Durant 12.33 3.45 $16.5 million a year, arguably best player in the NBA
Austin 12.11 3.55 $900k 12/13th man prospect, currently, traded for Nando DeColo (scoring 2 points in Toronto, since)

I guess those premier players whose numbers are so close to Daye will never make it big in the NBA.

It is a given that smaller and shorter players generally score better on those type of drills than bigger, taller players, no? At best, Kwahi is a below-average height SF and would be playing shooting guard if he'd shoot and dribble better. Green is listed as a SG. Comparing guards with front line players is a flim flam and Extatic should know better.

Finally, if numbers on a speed and agility test were all that it takes to make a good on-court player, they'd be scouting kangaroos, Cheetahs, and whitetail deer. Some players bring more to the game than sheer test numbers or the average height/weight for their position.

If you can name a player who never gets beat on defense by his opposite number, let's go after that guy for sure.
From way down on the bench, He isn't expected to be a shut-down defensive player against the starters of other teams. In the meantime, Daye should get better in the Spurs defensive scheme which doesn't rely on shut down one on one defenders.

I'm happy to accept our new addition to our deep roster and let POP worry about his skill set and how and when to use him.

[SpursFan86]

I just think people are setting the bar too high if they're expecting Daye to become a great defender who can guard guys like Durant for extended periods of time. You can say "numbers don't matter", but that doesn't make Daye's lack of lateral quickness any less of a factor. Yes, his length makes up for some of that lack of speed...but he's still going to have trouble staying with a lot of quick SFs.

I'm just as happy as the next guy with Daye's performance so far. But if he could do all these things some of y'all are hoping for, he wouldn't have been traded for Nando De Colo in the first place. And I know Pop and the staff can get more out of guys than other teams, but still...he has his weaknesses.

[RD2191]

I just think people are setting the bar too high if they're expecting Daye to become a great defender who can guard guys like Durant for extended periods of time. You can say "numbers don't matter", but that doesn't make Daye's lack of lateral quickness any less of a factor. Yes, his length makes up for some of that lack of speed...but he's still going to have trouble staying with a lot of quick SFs.

I'm just as happy as the next guy with Daye's performance so far. But if he could do all these things some of y'all are hoping for, he wouldn't have been traded for Nando De Colo in the first place. And I know Pop and the staff can get more out of guys than other teams, but still...he has his weaknesses.

[RD2191]

86 dropping truff bombs.

[Old School 44]

Daye has always been able to shoot from range. He shot over 42% from beyond the arc at Gonzaga and he shot over 40% from distance while playing over 1400 minutes for Detroit in his second NBA season. Now, you combine that deadeye shooting...
...with the Spurs System, surrounded by additional shooters and willing passers, and a "scream in my pillow" desire to play you'd really have something.

[Mel_13]

...with the Spurs System, surrounded by additional shooters and willing passers, and a "scream in my pillow" desire to play you'd really have something.

:lol

That's what we're hoping for, but it still won't be anything that remotely resembles what the previous poster suggested.

[ceperez]

Daye did a decent job on defense. Give credit where it's due. Whether or not he keeps this level of play up is another story, but he played a very good gamon both sides of the ball. .....next game.

2 steals and 2 blocks... that is a total of 4 defensive stops attributed to him.

This thread is full of B.S. that says he needs the foot speed and the bulk to be able to make it.

Daye already has the most essential attributes to do well as a Spur.

(1) Length - 6'11 - 7' 2.75" winspan 9' 2" stand reach...... compare with Leonard - 7' 3" winspan 8' 10" standing reach... that is 5 inches standing rach over Leonard.
(2) 3 Point Accuracy - Detroit 2010-11 .40 , Detroit 2012-13 .525 , NCAA .41 - .42 - Compare with Kawhi
(3) Basketball IQ - Played point guard in High School.

[Mel_13]

This thread is full of B.S. that says he needs the foot speed


Daye looked very slow in that game against the Sixers

[Old School 44]

:lol

That's what we're hoping for, but it still won't be anything that remotely resembles what the previous poster suggested.
I know :) ...I wonder how this place is going to react when he has a couple more good showings against poor teams and then Pop benches him for apparently no reason in favor of someone else with more corporate knowledge.

[Mel_13]

I know :) ...I wonder how this place is going to react when he has a couple more good showings against poor teams and then Pop benches him for apparently no reason in favor of someone else with more corporate knowledge.

True, the Pops Mensah Bonsu Syndrome.

[ceperez]

I just think people are setting the bar too high if they're expecting Daye to become a great defender who can guard guys like Durant for extended periods of time. You can say "numbers don't matter", but that doesn't make Daye's lack of lateral quickness any less of a factor. Yes, his length makes up for some of that lack of speed...but he's still going to have trouble staying with a lot of quick SFs.

I'm just as happy as the next guy with Daye's performance so far. But if he could do all these things some of y'all are hoping for, he wouldn't have been traded for Nando De Colo in the first place. And I know Pop and the staff can get more out of guys than other teams, but still...he has his weaknesses.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but almost every Spur has a major weakness!

Spurs who can't jump - Duncan, Parker, Diaw, Splitter, Bonner, Bellinelli
Spurs who can't shoot - Splitter
Spurs Guard's who can't dribble - Green, Duncan, Splitter, Baynes, Bonner,
Spurs who are too short - Parker, Mills

[ceperez]

I'm saying that his length will compensate for his lack of foot speed.

[Mel_13]

I'm saying that his length will compensate for his lack of foot speed.

Perhaps it will in the future, but it hasn't to this point in his 5 year NBA career.

[ceperez]

Now, I am not saying the lane agility test is worthless...it's not. All measureables are useful in adding to the pot when making a soupy conclusion, but people put far too much emphasis on a number here and there. You can't throw all of "Lane Agility Test" and "3/4 time" into the pot and call it a soup. It takes far more ingredients. Again, it's an unfair weighting of the constituent attributes that make a player. It is how one team trades for value over another. One team may see how certain disadvantages are not as relevant as have been deemed by the masses, and discover novel or not-so-novel ways to utilize a player that has been discarded. Good thing RC and Pop were not weighing Kawhi's lane agility time too heavily during the draft. And, good thing maybe other front offices were? Heck, Kawhi's time isn't even fast for guys his same height, but we're comparing Daye to shorter dudes, despite a probable positive correlation (I didn't not calculate "r", just assumed it from looking at trends and seeming common sense, forgive me.) between height and lane agility time. Someone with a lot of time would crunch those numbers, find some standard deviations, breakdowns within position, medians, means, etc. Not me. Not for free.

Miles Plumlee 10.64 3.36 Look at this speedy mother!
Kawhi 11.45 3.15
Danny 11.30 3.30
Bonner 11.52 3.32
Channing Frye 11.60 3.38 $6.4 million a year
Demarcus Cousins 10.64 3.55
DeAndre Jordan 12.30 3.27 $10 million a year, defensive, quick, athletic FREAK as per DraftExpress
Kevin Durant 12.33 3.45 $16.5 million a year, arguably best player in the NBA
Austin 12.11 3.55 $900k 12/13th man prospect, currently, traded for Nando DeColo (scoring 2 points in Toronto, since)

How much would you have to give up to go get Channing Frye, would he even come, and what improvement over Daye would he be? I am not saying he will be, but I would not be surprised to see Daye be better in several categories, for half the price or less after a season with The Spurs.

BONNER DESTROYS DURANT (And Channing Frye, et. al.)!
GREEN MORE HALF-COURT DEFENSIVE POTENTIAL THAN KAWHI!

Holy shit! The little sarcastic meme going around SpursTalk, where people pretend that anyone said that Daye was better than Kevin Durant, and either argue against that straw man, or make hackneyed jokes about it being true...well it is true! At least in the half-court (lane agility)! Wow, just wow. Sign him up for $16.5 million Oh, wait?

He must have better defensive upside than Durant in all aspects of defense that the lane agility measurable definitively determines!

The truth about that lane agility number? The percentage differences between all of those players listed is very small, less than 10% difference across all of them. None of them are elite. They all have relatively pedestrian lane agility times. A truly elite time in the lane agility test seems to be in the low 8's to 9-10, for example. What is the percentage difference between someone in the low 8's and our lock down defenders times, Kawhi and Danny? HUGE percent difference. So, looking at that lane agility time - and attempting to measure their defensive prowess based heavily upon it would be silliness.

Yet, we are (and I use the royal we), attempting to use these negligible differences between Bonner, Kawhi, Green, and Daye to make a DRAMMATIC conclusion that there is no way he will be able to play any defense whatsoever. It's a foundation on sandy ground.

Again, on a time of 11.25-12.25, a .5 second difference here and there, or .7, or .8...not a huge difference there...

Kawhi, our lock down defender? 11.45 - 8.5 (an elite time in that drill) = 2.95 seconds. Wow, Kawhi is one slow mother! Except, wait. He's a badass.

The take-away? Although that lane agility number is not exactly a shit statistic, putting a whole lot of faith in it telling you whether or not a player is going to be a good defender is dangerous.

There is a lot bigger percentage difference in the 3/4 time, and maybe a better argument against Daye, there, but it's not conclusive, either. 3.55 is not the slowest speed out there, even among starters in the NBA, much less role-playing bench guys.

It's difficult to compare across positions, but that is Pop's job, to find situations where his weaknesses are minimized and his strengths are maximized. When Daye plays, it is not fair to say he is "slow for his position" while omitting the information "he is tall for his position", etc. When he leaves the bench, he doesn't leave those positive aspects of his being on the pine. He takes them with him, into the game. I watched a smaller guy blow by him, one-on-one...and then get his shot swatted back from the side as he went around. Without sounding as if I am trying to attibute super-powers to him, or something, it even seemed as if Daye hedged/baited the smaller player to try to go around him...with the desired result.

Athletic ability is just a component of defense. Bruce Bowen was no athletic freak.

When Daye made that sweet steal and pass to Joseph at the basket, he still had a 12.11 and 3.55, but he was situationally aware.

By the way, isn't it sad that on that little wrap-around ball fake and pass to CoJo (who then passed to Duncan), he didn't record an assist OR a basket. More intangible stuff that he brings to the table. That didn't show up in the box score, but sure displayed some basketball savvy and skill.

Gotta run, late! Take care, and forgive all the typos- and what-not!

+1

[Chinook]

Perhaps it will in the future, but it hasn't to this point in his 5 year NBA career.

I'm still having a hard time getting past him listing Duncan, Splitter, Baynes and Bonner as guards.

[ceperez]

Perhaps it will in the future, but it hasn't to this point in his 5 year NBA career.

That's because he hasn't played for the Spurs.

Look at all the players that didn't do squat in other teams:

Boris Diaw - Got paid a lot but stunk with the Bobcats.
Green - 2nd rounder, D-league player
Marco - Don't recall how many teams he played for before becoming a Spur.
Mills - Never drafted, never left the bench in Portland.
Baynes - Never drafted, played in odd leagues all over the world.

----

Neal - Undrafted, never played in NBA until he got into the Spurs.


Daye by contrast is a #15 first round draft pick. He's got better pedigree than all the other second round picks and d-leaguers that Spurs have ever had!

[littlecoyotecoin]

86 dropping truff bombs.

It is not a truth bomb to argue against a straw man. It is the opposite of truth. It is fallacy. No one is saying "significant minutes" against the NBA's "quickest small forwards", necessarily. This is not an "expectation" as 86 stated. No one is saying that.

Only statements being made are that his numbers don't preclude him from securing at least a 12/13 position on a deep bench, and possibly making a contribution. Nor do those numbers preclude him from having an even higher ceiling. But, no one is EXPECTING that higher ceiling.

Detractors keep having to move the goal posts on the argument because the kid keeps doing well any time he gets the chance. 86 also makes the third straw man argument that he has "weaknesses", when no one said he didn't. So, claiming that he does, as if everyone else is claiming he doesn't, is disingenuous.

My whole post pointed to the fact that his times WERE weak...compared to elite times in those categories...along with weak times for lots of other players that have also found success... Some, tremendous success...despite the "weak" times.

[RD2191]

86 not dropping truff bombs.

[Mel_13]

That's because he hasn't played for the Spurs.

:sleep

1. Your examples are rife with errors. You can look them up if you like, I don't have the time or interest to point out how absurd some of those comparisons are.

2. Being traded to or signed by the Spurs is not a guarantee of future success. Marcus Haislip, for example, was the #2 overall pick in the draft and was an absolute failure with the Spurs. There are many other examples.

I root for every player that wears a Spurs uni, and I'm generally a sucker for these sorts of rags to riches stories. I hope Daye is a success here and is able to make a contribution to the team in future, but there are reasons why a #15 pick overall is on his 4th team in 5 years. Just as there were reasons why Haislip was playing in Europe. Perhaps Pop will find a way to maximize Daye's positives while minimizing his negatives. I'd love to see it happen, but that story is yet to be written.

[ABC]

Yet, we are (and I use the royal we), attempting to use these negligible differences between Bonner, Kawhi, Green, and Daye to make a DRAMMATIC conclusion that there is no way he will be able to play any defense whatsoever. It's a foundation on sandy ground.

Thanks for looking up the various test numbers. Useful perspective. However, I don't think anyone said "there is no way he will be able to play any defense whatsoever." To try to summarize several posters, people said he looked slow on one on one defense against the Sixers and then used the lane agility test to backup the observation. You can take away the test score if you want, but he still got beat badly one on one. I'm looking forward to watching him some more to see if his other attributes can offset any deficiencies.

[kjhip1]

:sleep

1. Your examples are rife with errors. You can look them up if you like, I don't have the time or interest to point out how absurd some of those comparisons are.

2. Being traded to or signed by the Spurs is not a guarantee of future success. Marcus Haislip, for example, was the #2 overall pick in the draft and was an absolute failure with the Spurs. There are many other examples.

I root for every player that wears a Spurs uni, and I'm generally a sucker for these sorts of rags to riches stories. I hope Daye is a success here and is able to make a contribution to the team in future, but there are reasons why a #15 pick overall is on his 4th team in 5 years. Just as there were reasons why Haislip was playing in Europe. Perhaps Pop will find a way to maximize Daye's positives while minimizing his negatives. I'd love to see it happen, but that story is yet to be written.

Haislip was the 13th pick but still he was a high pick that didn't pan out. I think Daye has the opportunity to be a good role player. Good find by Spurs even if they were not expecting much.

[coachmac87]

Mel 13 are you retarded?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Thanks for looking up the various test numbers. Useful perspective. However, I don't think anyone said "there is no way he will be able to play any defense whatsoever." To try to summarize several posters, people said he looked slow on one on one defense against the Sixers and then used the lane agility test to backup the observation. You can take away the test score if you want, but he still got beat badly one on one. I'm looking forward to watching him some more to see if his other attributes can offset any deficiencies.

That is the cumulative essence of the detractors, I agree. Those are my summarizing words. It was not a direct quote. I did not have time to go back and read it all a second time after Daye's threads exploded after the Sixers game...one quote was "completely immobile on defense" or something to that effect. There are many others. The sentiment was/is (by some people) that he is incapable of being an adequate defender in the NBA. Those numbers were used as evidence that he would be inadequate.

[Mel_13]

Haislip was the 13th pick but still he was a high pick that didn't pan out. I think Daye has the opportunity to be a good role player. Good find by Spurs even if they were not expecting much.

You're right. Thanks. For some reason, I had him mixed up with Stromile Swift. Serves me right for relying on my memory rather than taking the 30 seconds to look it up.

I'm also hopeful about Daye. There is a reasonable case to be made that he can stick on the roster.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Notable criticisms of Daye's defense...

"He got blown by soooooooo easily on D."

"He is the turd in the punch bowl on D."

"It's not knowledge, it's lack of athleticism. Comparison combine numbers for three Spurs players: the first number (in seconds) is the lane agility test time, the second is the 3/4 court sprint...but he'll never even be an average defender."

"Physically, Daye is very limited as a defender."

"...but he isn't keeping anyone in front of them [SIC (him)], and he's too (to defend at the NBA level, at all, is the implication here) weak in the post."

"Daye either needs to get MUCH quicker AND faster (not happening)..."

"Young also posted him up. Several times. Easily."

"...won't play a lick of D."

"...there is no way he will be able to play any defense whatsoever."

That last statement was mine. I don't think it too unfairly represents the statements above it, and they were from just a couple of pages, previous to this one. There are plenty of other statements as harsh or more harsh than these on the game thread pages, etc. So, yeah, it was a summary I was going for...and I think a pretty fair synopsis of what the detractors are claiming. Glad you enjoyed the numbers. It was fun. Wish I had more time to delve into stuff like that.

[ABC]

That is the cumulative essence of the detractors, I agree. Those are my summarizing words. It was not a direct quote. I did not have time to go back and read it all a second time after Daye's threads exploded after the Sixers game...one quote was "completely immobile on defense" or something to that effect. There are many others. The sentiment was/is (by some people) that he is incapable of being an adequate defender in the NBA. Those numbers were used as evidence that he would be inadequate.

Sounds about right and I get your point about the numbers not necessarily being a great indicator. I'm looking forward to tonight's game. Hopefully he'll get enough playing time for us to extend this thread out a few more pages :)

[littlecoyotecoin]

Mel 13 are you retarded?

I enjoy Mel's posts. If it's any consolation. But, then again, I may be retarded.

[Prime Time]

Austin Daye is a Best Case; Frye, Worst Case; Novak kind of player. And we got this in exchange for Nando freaking De Colo. Literally any production he gives is just icing on the cake, what's with all these expectations?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Yeah! That'll be fun! But, I was thinking what a couple have mentioned already. Pop might break him down. Erler, I think his name is, wrote an article regarding that on #ing the rock. Good read if you get a chance. I may miss most of the game but will be looking here along the way to see what I'm missing. Take care and enjoy the game.

[ABC]

^
Thanks! Daye has said all the right things so far. I'm not too worried about his attitude, tbh, although I wouldn't put it past Pop to test him the way Erler suggests. I thought the best part of the article was Erler's plea for a serving job at the end :lol

[Chinook]

littlecoyotecoin is quickly becoming one of the most unsufferable non-trolls on this site. I didn't think there could be something worse than Patty homers. But Daye shills get the nod.

[littlecoyotecoin]

^
Thanks! Daye has said all the right things so far. I'm not too worried about his attitude, tbh, although I wouldn't put it past Pop to test him the way Erler suggests. I thought the best part of the article was Erler's plea for a serving job at the end :lol

Yeah, heh heh. Stampler did the same thing, and I have a friend in the industry (high end restaurant) that was relating a story to me, so I passed it on to Stampler and all I got was crickets, so Erler's on his own!

Given what we've seen of Daye already, I hope he gets as much time as Ayers has to try to improve within our system. I think it could have been some bad fits, previously, and maybe a little bit of a poor work ethic or bad attitude...just reading between the lines. But, he's doing everything right, thus far, here, it seems. And, he knows his weight is an issue. He has a personal trainer. Maybe he has a dietician. He's got skills, maybe some good coaching will really put him over the edge...maybe stop watching weed movies, put down the ass-cake and hit the weight room. I don't want to, but he has some good reason to...tbh, one of the few interesting things to talk about when all we do is win win win...

What a horrible problem to have.

And while we've been going back and forth...a text comes in for potential free tickets! I can work late tomorrow? Instead of today, right?!

[littlecoyotecoin]

littlecoyotecoin is quickly becoming one of the most unsufferable non-trolls on this site. I didn't think there could be something worse than Patty homers. But Daye shills get the nod.

Excellent rebuttal. I will withdraw.

[Chinook]

Excellent rebuttal. I will withdraw.

You don't need to withdraw; you just need to stop spamming people with long shill posts which at best sum up to, "give him a chance", when no one is even arguing against giving him one.

[ceperez]

:sleep

1. Your examples are rife with errors. You can look them up if you like, I don't have the time or interest to point out how absurd some of those comparisons are.

2. Being traded to or signed by the Spurs is not a guarantee of future success. Marcus Haislip, for example, was the #2 overall pick in the draft and was an absolute failure with the Spurs. There are many other examples.

I root for every player that wears a Spurs uni, and I'm generally a sucker for these sorts of rags to riches stories. I hope Daye is a success here and is able to make a contribution to the team in future, but there are reasons why a #15 pick overall is on his 4th team in 5 years. Just as there were reasons why Haislip was playing in Europe. Perhaps Pop will find a way to maximize Daye's positives while minimizing his negatives. I'd love to see it happen, but that story is yet to be written.

Which draft would that be?

[ceperez]

Austin Daye is a Best Case; Frye, Worst Case; Novak kind of player. And we got this in exchange for Nando freaking De Colo. Literally any production he gives is just icing on the cake, what's with all these expectations?

Yes, Novak kind of player that just happened to get himself 6 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 steals. Yes, let's ignore those last 3 stats as an anomaly because he was playing against the Sixers.

[palangi]

Austin Daye is a Best Case; Frye, Worst Case; Novak kind of player. And we got this in exchange for Nando freaking De Colo. Literally any production he gives is just icing on the cake, what's with all these expectations?
and for the 12th or 13th player on the team...that would be great.

[palangi]

You don't need to withdraw; you just need to stop spamming people with long shill posts which at best sum up to, "give him a chance", when no one is even arguing against giving him one.
I don't think anyone is arguing for him to be apart of the next "big 3" either?

[Chinook]

I don't think anyone is arguing for him to be apart of the next "big 3" either?

No. Most of us are discussing Daye's strengths and weaknesses. The shills are acting like it's a damned accident that he hasn't been able to stick with a team.

Some think he's a potential Durant stopper, or even another KD himself. They fail to understand that Daye doesn't flash star potential at all. And as a result of that, they won't be able o appreciate him as a role-player.

[Mel_13]

Which draft would that be?

Already addressed. Try to keep up.

My points stand.


Yes, Novak kind of player that just happened to get himself 6 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 steals. Yes, let's ignore those last 3 stats as an anomaly because he was playing against the Sixers.

Not completely ignore, but certainly take with a very large grain of salt. The Sixers are an historically bad team.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I am pretty sure you were the one with the very bad take about Danny Green having always been a good player. That was pretty insufferable, too. But, did I go and rub your nose in that shit take over and over again or did I wipe it off of my shoe, rebutt and move on?

I didn't whine about the severity of the stench of that take. Poor suffering me having to listen to that.

You had some good points, I acknowledged, and ignored the idiot part of the take. I thought I was doing good.

Danny was never good in Clevland and we cut him twice, and he is still problematic when he puts the ball on the floor or passes out of pressure or on the move. He is a great role player but some might argue he's not even good now (I would not be one of them) much less has always been a good player. He's better and good for US. NOW. Always? Or, on another team? Lulz.

There is an ignore button if it's that insufferable. Don't be a damn martyr.

And btw, there were a whole bunch of Mills bashers that ended up being wrong about him, too. I was not in his group of supporters (I was just busy, but I did and do appreciate him.) but he has exceeded the limits of expectations put on him by his detractors. Are you just mad when others are right? Like the previous Mills supporters? Just hatin'? Were you on the wrong side of an argument I missed out on?

Also, Daye has had plenty of people stating he would be a scrub and get cut and had NO CHANCE and we didn't even want him we were just doing Nando a solid, etc. So, a "chance" is even more than some gave him. He already has a chance, now, I think. I am not arguing for that. Instead, against sweeping generalized claims against him that are either wrong or yet not proved.

I wasn't making it personal. Trying to be polite. We all have our tolerances, I guess. I was turning the other cheek when I said, tongue in cheek, "nice rebuttal...I will withdraw". But, I'm not seeking your approval. I'll post when convenient and fun. And when it's not fun, I'll stop. Promise. I hope it doesn't pain you too much. Good luck, and take care.

[littlecoyotecoin]

"Some think he's a potential Durant stopper, or even another KD himself. They fail to understand that Daye doesn't flash star potential at all. And as a result of that, they won't be able o appreciate him as a role-player..."

Where, oh where are you reading this stuff. NO ONE is saying these things. The only thing close is that someone said he might be able to ay some D on KD. Might. Everything else about him being another KD?! Sarcastically, yes. Who has seriously suggested that?! Names. Dates. Times.

[Embedded]

I did see Austin Daye get outmuscled on the low post, but my Spurs will find a role that maximizes his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

[Mugen]

I'm pulling for the kid tbh. He's extremely fortunate to be with the one team that can turn him into Matt Bonner 2.0. The makeup of the roster and contracts situation give him an ideal opportunity to be able to translate his 1 NBA level skill into a lucrative 10 year career just like Matty did.

[Chinook]

Another insufferably long post that says nothing. It's your MO, littlecoyotecoin.

I said Green has always been the player he is today. That's true, and if you watched him in college, you'd know that. He's a defender/glue guy/stat-stuffer. That's what he did at UNC; that's what he did in Cleveland. The ONLY evidence you brought up against that was Green's shooting percentage, and you negated that point by saying that Green's efficiency rose in a better system. That means Green didn't become a better shooter; he just gets better looks.

And don't be a fool. I was one of the only people who wanted Mills in the rotation during the off-season (hence my disapproval of the Beli signing) and I was one of the biggest Daye supporters in this very thread. The problem is not with my opinion of those players. It's with fans like you who feel the need to inundate the forum with inane shill posts and attack any critiques the players get. It's annoying, it's intellectually dishonest and it adds nothing to the forum.

[Chinook]

"Some think he's a potential Durant stopper, or even another KD himself. They fail to understand that Daye doesn't flash star potential at all. And as a result of that, they won't be able o appreciate him as a role-player..."

Where, oh where are you reading this stuff. NO ONE is saying these things. The only thing close is that someone said he might be able to ay some D on KD. Might. Everything else about him being another KD?! Sarcastically, yes. Who has seriously suggested that?! Names. Dates. Times.

Potential = "might"

[RD2191]

Spurs fans are fucking delusional, dude had 1 good game and know he's the 2nd coming of Dirk? gtfo, dude was traded for de colo for a reason. He will be a decent bench player at best.

[palangi]

No. Most of us are discussing Daye's strengths and weaknesses. The shills are acting like it's a damned accident that he hasn't been able to stick with a team.

Some think he's a potential Durant stopper, or even another KD himself. They fail to understand that Daye doesn't flash star potential at all. And as a result of that, they won't be able o appreciate him as a role-player.

Huh? I think you are just coming to argue. Do you feel a need to be right on the internet?

[palangi]

Another insufferably long post that says nothing. It's your MO, littlecoyotecoin (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=45419).

I said Green has always been the player he is today. That's true, and if you watched him in college, you'd know that. He's a defender/glue guy/stat-stuffer. That's what he did at UNC; that's what he did in Cleveland. The ONLY evidence you brought up against that was Green's shooting percentage, and you negated that point by saying that Green's efficiency rose in a better system. That means Green didn't become a better shooter; he just gets better looks.

And don't be a fool. I was one of the only people who wanted Mills in the rotation during the off-season (hence my disapproval of the Beli signing) and I was one of the biggest Daye supporters in this very thread. The problem is not with my opinion of those players. It's with fans like you who feel the need to inundate the forum with inane shill posts and attack any critiques the players get. It's annoying, it's intellectually dishonest and it adds nothing to the forum.
So not only is it improtant for you to be right...you also feel the need to be an ass?

Your life is being Mr. right on this message board isn't it?

[palangi]

Spurs fans are fucking delusional, dude had 1 good game and know he's the 2nd coming of Dirk? gtfo, dude was traded for de colo for a reason. He will be a decent bench player at best.
Is this a truff bomb?

[Chinook]

Huh? I think you are just coming to argue. Do you feel a need to be right on the internet?

The hell are you getting that from? Either you are saying I insitgated this, in which case you need to read the thread, or you're saying that I am just looking to disagree with people. If that's the case, you REALLY need to read the thread.

[Chinook]

So not only is it improtant for you to be right...you also feel the need to be an ass?

Your life is being Mr. right on this message board isn't it?

You're the one trying to interpret a whole discussion from the last exchange.

[palangi]

You're the one trying to interpret a whole discussion from the last exchange.
pretty sure I am just interpreting the last exchange. You are the one calling names and going after one poster. he isn't even calling you out by name. so you can act all innocent, but your message board life is a little in flux right now.

[palangi]

The hell are you getting that from? Either you are saying I insitgated this, in which case you need to read the thread, or you're saying that I am just looking to disagree with people. If that's the case, you REALLY need to read the thread.
I think maybe you should go read this thread again and what you post?

[Chinook]

I think maybe you should go read this thread again and what you post?

No. I originally posted that I had hope for Daye. That he had potential but made mistakes. Then I took exception to Daye's (the father) claim that Daye's situation is similar to Green's. I claimed that Green's talents fit the system; the system didn't make Green good. If Daye was to succeed, he'd need to improve to fit the system. The system won't fix him. I also thought Daye screaming into a pillow was hilarious. Daye shills felt the need to jump in and condescend all the negative parts while ignoring the good parts.

Pretty much everything I said, littlecoyotecoin replied to unprovoked with a long post that didn't say anything productive. He thinks I'm a Daye-hater, when I even suggested the Spurs trade for him this season. It's annoying that I can't even mention Daye's flaws or his realistic prospects without being called a hater or having to wade through a wall of text that compares Austin to PFs.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Might be able to play some minutes on KD is not the same as a Potential Durant STOPPER.

Being able to spell Kawhi for a few minutes on D is not arguing he is going to be a Durant stopper! Sheesh! The problem with your hyperbole is not "potential".

And, I see you totally ignored the part where all of these people are claiming he is the next Durant.

No name, date, or time...much less various posters claiming this. Talk about an empty and intellectually dishonest statement.

We will have to also just agree to disagree on your Green take. You said he was always GOOD. He was not. He got better in a good system which was the whole point. Daye was a better shooter in Detroit than Green was in Cleveland and may improve in all aspects when he gets the same good years of coaching in a good system that Green did. Daye may not even have to get cut twice to get to the same promised land. All that watching of him in college must have ruined you unbiased eye. That must have been it.

And, regarding your tastes for my posts, I don't know what to do for you. Regarding length? Damn whiney of you. Don't read 'em martyr man. I find them intellectually honest.
I hope you can get over it. I know some super nice people and I have met people that don't like them, either! Go figger. I am no angel, but there is no accounting for taste. That's for sure. I've got my supporters...

My free tickets just came in, so enjoy the game all, even you Chinook.

[Chinook]

pretty sure I am just interpreting the last exchange.

Then there you go.

[Chinook]

Might be able to play some minutes on KD is not the same as a Potential Durant STOPPER.

Being able to spell Kawhi for a few minutes on D is not arguing he is going to be a Durant stopper! Sheesh! The problem with your hyperbole is not "potential".

And, I see you totally ignored the part where all of these people are claiming he is the next Durant.

No name, date, or time...much less various posters claiming this. Talk about an empty and intellectually dishonest statement.

We will have to also just agree to disagree on your Green take. You said he was always GOOD. He was not. He got better in a good system which was the whole point. Daye was a better shooter in Detroit than Green was in Cleveland and may improve in all aspects when he gets the same good years of coaching in a good system that Green did. Daye may not even have to get cut twice to get to the same promised land. All that watching of him in college must have ruined you unbiased eye. That must have been it.

And, regarding your tastes for my posts, I don't know what to do for you. Regarding length? Damn whiney of you. Don't read 'em martyr man. I find them intellectually honest.
I hope you can get over it. I know some super nice people and I have met people that don't like them, either! Go figger. I am no angel, but there is no accounting for taste. That's for sure. I've got my supporters...

My free tickets just came in, so enjoy the game all, even you Chinook.

I honestly don't mean to be rude. But I'm not going to apologize for being annoyed at getting long responses when I wasn't talking to you. We can agree to diagree on Green and Daye, but that means that you don't constantly quote me whenever I talk about Daye's flaws. We disagree. Fine. Leave it at that.

[TD 21]

I don't know what there is to debate about him: He's a slightly taller, worse shooting, freakishly long, better ball skills version of Novak, which is to say, a tall shooter without a defined defensive position. This renders him only playable in select match-ups, such as against players who are either incapable of creating off the dribble and/or overpowering him and doing damage in the low post.

Next season, he'll make a fine Bonner replacement, doubling as the secondary stretch four, as well as adding some much needed depth at SF. For depth purposes, they'll still need another SF capable of playing passable defense though.

[palangi]

I honestly don't mean to be rude. But I'm not going to apologize for being annoyed at getting long responses when I wasn't talking to you. We can agree to diagree on Green and Daye, but that means that you don't constantly quote me whenever I talk about Daye's flaws. We disagree. Fine. Leave it at that.
don't talk to me if I am not talking to you!! what a baby!!

[Chinook]

don't talk to me if I am not talking to you!! what a baby!!

No, don't get mad if I'm annoyed at unsolicited spam. It's really not complicated.