Temple of Austin Daye

[ceperez]

I'm not glossing over his poor shooting. "Stinkers" is not meant to sound "good". 2/7 was one of the BETTER shooting displays that day, sadly, and 3/13 (Green and Leonard combined 1/10 in that game, his 2/7 game previou ...lazy edit) was bad, and still on par with our finals MVP and rumored max player, as well as DG, one of our 3-point specialists. Shooting woes are pervasive. Everyone is suffering from 3 except Parker. Because I don't overweigh it doesn't mean I ignore it. I have mentioned it several times.

I just don't rush to judgement on the 15th guy on the bench. His summer league wasn't great, but his shooting in preseason was acceptable.

He has played mostly poorly, but not any more or less so than most of the team, especially, again, based on expectations. We are talking about a roster spot sometimes filled with Bateers and Marks and DeColos. I am not afraid.

At the end of the season, he still looks very capable of ending with a 40+% from 3 year, but maybe not. I will wait until the end of the year. I won't wring my hands over this first 3 games, one of which he played 3 minutes.

Lastly, I don't cherry-pick anything. Acknowledging the good with the bad is being objective. Nothing else. The people that drive by saying: I hope Daye gets Ebola. Or, something of the sort, are the ones looking at the glass half-empty.

I have mentioned his fouling rate being to high about 10 times. And, lamented his poor shooting throughout the summer league. His shot selection needs to improve, some, too. He passes up some he should take, and takes some he should pass.

He's getting playing time, though, and NoNo is right. When the time comes, if he is released, I won't be crying that he didn't get a chance. He needs to knock down his shots, even if Belli, Diaw, Green, Manu and Leonard aren't.

Definitely a major disappointment that he missed so many shots. Daye and Anderson should have been prepared this game knowing that it's a back-to-back. The poor shooting of their team mates should have not affected their own shots.

The only silver lining is that Daye and Anderson combined for 5 steals. In fact, I was hoping to see Pop stay with the lineup of Anderson, Daye, Diaw, Leonard and Ayres for much longer, just to see how it works on defense. I would like to see both Daye and Anderson on the court at the same time, their collective length seems to compensate for their defensive liabilities.

In comparing Daye with Bonner, Daye certainly is more disruptive in defense, he does record blocks and steals. Bonner's shot looks more consistent (not necessarily more accurate). With Daye, you can tell the shot is going to miss based on his form. The plus side of Daye's shot is that he can take it with less breathing room than Bonner.

[benefactor]

He needs to be cut. I have no reason why the Spurs guaranteed his contract.

If you are 26 and still haven't figured out how to be an NBA player you probably never will.
:wakeup

[benefactor]

I would much rather see the last roster spot open for prospect auditions. Keeping Daye is a waste of time and resources.

[timtonymanu]

Please fuck off, Daye.

[Godbama]

Was Ed Davis unavailable or over our price range? The Lakers got him for a steal. The Daye experiment really isn't working out.

[Malik Hairston]

Was Ed Davis unavailable or over our price range? The Lakers got him for a steal. The Daye experiment really isn't working out.

Pop would never pursue Ed Davis, tbh, his basketball IQ makes Dejuan Blair look like Tim Duncan..


As for Daye, everybody should have already known that he's terrible at the time of the Nando trade..it's too late in his career to establish himself, this is a player that had never shown flashes of competence before..

The only surprise is Pop giving him minutes, tbh..

[ceperez]

Pop would never pursue Ed Davis, tbh, his basketball IQ makes Dejuan Blair look like Tim Duncan..


As for Daye, everybody should have already known that he's terrible at the time of the Nando trade..it's too late in his career to establish himself, this is a player that had never shown flashes of competence before..

The only surprise is Pop giving him minutes, tbh..

Pop has given him more playing time than he ever gave Mahinmi, so it is likely that the he sees some potential in him.

However, the guy is just not making his shots in the last two games. His defense is better though, but his lack of urgency and tentativeness in offense is a disappointment.

[jeebus]

Real-talk: he's got the potential to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. Except he's more athletic than KG was at his age, which allows him to be so versatile. We haven't had a SF this well-rounded since Sean Elliott. I think Daye is the prototype for what future NBA players will look like. Life after Duncan doesn't look so bad now with Joseph, Baynes and Daye developing the way they are. I'm excited for the future.

:wow




:lol Austin Daye Colo

[Malik Hairston]

LOLOL DPG and HH with teh bads, per tha usual :rollin

:lol hey buddy..

[mkurts]

There are people here who thinks Daye is a wonder lol

[exstatic]

Yeah, it's hard to figure out who's being serious.

Real-talk: he's got the potential to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. Except he's more athletic than KG was at his age, which allows him to be so versatile. We haven't had a SF this well-rounded since Sean Elliott. I think Daye is the prototype for what future NBA players will look like. Life after Duncan doesn't look so bad now with Joseph, Baynes and Daye developing the way they are. I'm excited for the future.

WTF? The ONLY player on our roster who is less athletic than Daye is Kyle Anderson. The ONLY things Daye has going for him are his length and shooting. His shot appears MIA since that Philly game last year, so he's like some tall guy running the floor.

Jamaal Franklin or Malcolm Thomas would each be a vast improvement.

[ceperez]

WTF? The ONLY player on our roster who is less athletic than Daye is Kyle Anderson. The ONLY things Daye has going for him are his length and shooting. His shot appears MIA since that Philly game last year, so he's like some tall guy running the floor.

Jamaal Franklin or Malcolm Thomas would each be a vast improvement.

The coaching staff had enough time to evaluate Jamaal Franklin, Malcolm Thomas, Jamychal Green, Josh Davis, ... yet they still are sticking with Daye.

If I were the Spurs though, I would let Ayers go in replacement for another big.

[exstatic]

The coaching staff had enough time to evaluate Jamaal Franklin, Malcolm Thomas, Jamychal Green, Josh Davis, ... yet they still are sticking with Daye.

If I were the Spurs though, I would let Ayers go in replacement for another big.

Actually, they had to make a decision on Daye before either Franklin or Thomas became available.

[Johnny RIngo]

The coaching staff had enough time to evaluate Jamaal Franklin, Malcolm Thomas, Jamychal Green, Josh Davis, ... yet they still are sticking with Daye.

If I were the Spurs though, I would let Ayers go in replacement for another big.

They should have used the MLE to pursue a backup big, wing, or guard. Guys like Daye and Ayres aren't NBA calibre. Pop's the best coach in the league but even he can't work wonders with a piece of shit.

[BackHome]

Burn The Ucking Temple Down!

[Godbama]

Pop would never pursue Ed Davis, tbh, his basketball IQ makes Dejuan Blair look like Tim Duncan..


As for Daye, everybody should have already known that he's terrible at the time of the Nando trade..it's too late in his career to establish himself, this is a player that had never shown flashes of competence before..

The only surprise is Pop giving him minutes, tbh..
I mean I definitely knew he was terrible and so has anyone who ever had him on their team. I'm just surprised he's still around, still getting minutes, really.

[Vito]

Look at his stats - 20% fg% and 16% 3p%!! I do not remember any spurs player with awful numbers like that.

[manufan10]

As much as I like Daye and his potential, he's had more than enough time to prove his worth. Unfortunately, he hasn't made the most of his time. When ST begins clamoring for more Bonner than Daye, you know you suck. :lol

[Mr Bones]

Does anyone remember Didier Ilunga-Mbenga, Tim Breaux, or Tremaine Fowlkes?

They all played for NBA champions.

And that's the exact same situation with Austin Daye. On a scale of zero to 100, what happens with him regarding his success with the Spurs rates about a .01. He makes a small salary, has great length for his position, and is a mildly interesting project. If his shooting improves (as Parker's and Leonard's have, thanks to the great coaching staff), he'd be a decent third string guy. I'm sure RC and Pop don't think he's going to turn into Kevin Durant, or Mike Dunleavy, or DeMarre Carroll.

Anyway, let's see if we can get this thread past 30 pages!

[Chomag]

James White or Austin Daye?:stirpot:

[wildbill2u]

James White or Austin Daye?:stirpot:J

Who was the guy everybody went crazy over before James White? Or was it the guy after?

[objective]

I don't get the whole, "he's at the end of the bench, why complain? No one complained about player X on Y team!" DEFENSE.

the spurs aren't the normal team. They don't have dominant superstars. They don't play the starters 35+ minutes a game. They actually use or are in position to use deep bench players. There is probably no other team in the playoffs who will willingly play their bench so much.

More than any other team, the spurs deep bench matters. It's worth talking about the deep bench and who can play and who can't because they'll probably have to play during the season, and the playoffs.

Daye has had 5+ years, 4 teams, 5 coaches and nearly 4000 minutes to prove that he isn't any good. Spurs didn't spend their mle, guaranteed Daye, and aren't giving Anderson the minutes he would need to find out if he could help in the playoffs. Chalk it up all you want to the season being early, but every game is an opportunity, there are only so many this season. I'm not even an Anderson devotee, but Daye has proven his own of worth, and I'd rather see Anderson than Daye, who will be on unguaranteed minimums the rest of his career.

[Shastafarian]

J

Who was the guy everybody went crazy over before James White? Or was it the guy after?

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/25360/7dd1e5a9-6d1e-44ba-805c-0858188b732f/c18/filename/mensah-bonsu-pops-cska-moscow.jpg

[Mr Bones]

I don't get the whole, "he's at the end of the bench, why complain? No one complained about player X on Y team!" DEFENSE.

the spurs aren't the normal team. They don't have dominant superstars. They don't play the starters 35+ minutes a game. They actually use or are in position to use deep bench players. There is probably no other team in the playoffs who will willingly play their bench so much.

More than any other team, the spurs deep bench matters. It's worth talking about the deep bench and who can play and who can't because they'll probably have to play during the season, and the playoffs.

Daye has had 5+ years, 4 teams, 5 coaches and nearly 4000 minutes to prove that he isn't any good. Spurs didn't spend their mle, guaranteed Daye, and aren't giving Anderson the minutes he would need to find out if he could help in the playoffs. Chalk it up all you want to the season being early, but every game is an opportunity, there are only so many this season. I'm not even an Anderson devotee, but Daye has proven his own of worth, and I'd rather see Anderson than Daye, who will be on unguaranteed minimums the rest of his career.

The Spurs were linked to a few players this off season-- one was Josh McRoberts, who I thought would have been a great pick up. He chose to play elsewhere. My problem with this thread is the attitude that RC and Pop are sitting around, doing nothing, and that if one of the members of Spurstalk were given the reins, then the Spurs would magically have Anthony Davis & LeBron James. It just feels like some people here are in constant complaint mode.

[Mr Bones]

Daye was a low risk experiment that probably won't work out. Not that big a deal. Especially for a team with the recent success rate of the Spurs.

[ceperez]

Daye was a low risk experiment that probably won't work out. Not that big a deal. Especially for a team with the recent success rate of the Spurs.

The Spurs are a team with mostly discards from other teams. Daye just happens to be one of those discards that I hope becomes worth his weight in gold (that's not asking too much!).

[Splits]

Prediction: Daye is going to hit 4 3s tonight and ST will be cockgoblling him as the future stretch-4

Book it.

[Ice009]

I'd rather Anderson get the court time. I don't see the point in playing Daye.

[jag]

WTF? The ONLY player on our roster who is less athletic than Daye is Kyle Anderson. The ONLY things Daye has going for him are his length and shooting. His shot appears MIA since that Philly game last year, so he's like some tall guy running the floor.

Jamaal Franklin or Malcolm Thomas would each be a vast improvement.

Nope.

I see him as a KG/Anthony Davis hybrid. Although he has quicker feet than both of those guys. He also has better range than KG so I think it's safe to say he's got a little Channing Frye in him.

His passing is really underrated. I think he has the ability to be an effective point-forward or pivot player like Diaw or Fab Oberto. He also has the clutchness and fearlessness of a young SJack.

What I'm trying to say is I think we're wasting our time with Anderson when we really should be focusing on developing guys like Daye and Ayers. They're the future. They're the type of hybrid players that will make the Spurs championship contenders years after Duncan.

Real talk.

[FlAVaK]

^more like blue talk...

[FireMicoHalili]

*whistles*

[mkurts]

His 4/10 shooting tonight gave his worshippers an orgasm !

[wildbill2u]

I'd like to see some 3 pt. shots that are at least on line with the basket, maybe short or long, but that have some chance. Right now, his shot looks so bad you want to play him h-o-r-s-e (no dunks) for $100 per game.

[FireMicoHalili]

he had two blocks against the Sixers. TWO. BLOCKS. That is not an aberration he is so underrated.

[ceperez]

Nope.

I see him as a KG/Anthony Davis hybrid. Although he has quicker feet than both of those guys. He also has better range than KG so I think it's safe to say he's got a little Channing Frye in him.

His passing is really underrated. I think he has the ability to be an effective point-forward or pivot player like Diaw or Fab Oberto. He also has the clutchness and fearlessness of a young SJack.

What I'm trying to say is I think we're wasting our time with Anderson when we really should be focusing on developing guys like Daye and Ayers. They're the future. They're the type of hybrid players that will make the Spurs championship contenders years after Duncan.

Real talk.

Ayres is supposed to have a mid range shot, but ever since he's been with the Spurs, it's been non-existent.

Not sure what to make about Daye's extremely poor shooting. He had all summer to work on his mechanics, and now it's even worse than last season.

Anderson appears to have lost all confidence lately. He needs to go to the D-league to gain it back.

Interesting line up at the end of the game.... anderson, daye, bonner, ayres, baynes. Nobody shorter than 6'9".

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Shack of Austin Daye

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Dog House of Jeff Aryes

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[manufan10]

I'm wondering if Chip has beeen working with Daye on his shooting mechanics. I was reading an article that when a player works on his mechanics the said player loses his shooting touch for awhile. Mainly because he's focusing so hard on relearning those mechanics. That could be one of the reasons that Daye has been in this funk. I know Kawhi went through a similar drought, and so has Anderson.

It could be a reason why the Spurs have kept him on. They've obviously seen something from him to keep him on this long.

[ceperez]

I'm wondering if Chip has beeen working with Daye on his shooting mechanics. I was reading an article that when a player works on his mechanics the said player loses his shooting touch for awhile. Mainly because he's focusing so hard on relearning those mechanics. That could be one of the reasons that Daye has been in this funk. I know Kawhi went through a similar drought, and so has Anderson.

It could be a reason why the Spurs have kept him on. They've obviously seen something from him to keep him on this long.

Well, with the exception of Parker, everyone has been missing badly lately.

Daye does get an unusual number of steals and blocks.

I just don't see that he's working hard enough while he's on the court.

CoJo makes an effort, but it I just can't see his upside. Cojo is also a very poor playmaker and passer.

[Beaverfuzz]

This temple should have cobwebs in it.

[rudwick]

He thinks he can hit shots on the move. He is mistaken. He would be much better off if he learned his limitations.

[100%duncan]

Fuck Daye tbh.

[littlecoyotecoin]

He thinks he can hit shots on the move. He is mistaken. He would be much better off if he learned his limitations.

Yes. He has some skill, but not as much as he thinks he has. Too much Drew League in him.

[ceperez]

Yes. He has some skill, but not as much as he thinks he has. Too much Drew League in him.

If only he limits his moves to set jumpers and basic post moves, he should do fine. However, when he tries to drive in the lane and acts like a guard, that's when he doesn't do too well. He should look at Danny Green as an example, Green does well in only one kind of offensive move... catch and shoot.

[FireMicoHalili]

3PTS, 1/3 3FG, 2 REBs, -6

[ceperez]

3PTS, 1/3 3FG, 2 REBs, -6

Played with decent defense that did alter some shot attempts.

Now he committed an offensive foul trying to drive the lane. Like I said, he should keep his game simple, just take uncontested3's.

[exstatic]

His biggest weakness, and Pop hates this, is that he THINKS he is better than he ACTUALLY is.

[Prose]

He is too slow to be a sf. To weak to be a pf. All he can do is shoot and pass....except he can't shot so far with the spurs....

[ohmwrecker]

Fuck this guy.

[Beaverfuzz]

Fucker made a three pointer tonight, I guess his litter box can be changed for one night.

[FireMicoHalili]

Played with decent defense that did alter some shot attempts.
To be fair, with a 7'3" wingspan you kinda have to

[ceperez]

November 21st against the Timberwolves.

Double - Double 13 points 3-6 from 3 point line , 11 defensive rebounds.

Played decent.

[jeebus]

His first decent game since the Philly game last season.


:lol

[FaM0us Skins]

His first decent game since the Philly game last season.


:lol

Lol.

[milkyway21]

November 21st against the Timberwolves.

Double - Double 13 points 3-6 from 3 point line , 11 defensive rebounds.

Played decent.

Depleted Spurs team vs depleted Timberwolves team. :tu

I hope for consistency Daye. Be ready when needed.

[littlecoyotecoin]

His first decent game since the Philly game last season.


:lol

He's only played about 150-200 minutes since that game, so, um, yeah. He hasn't had a lot of good games since then.

[FireMicoHalili]

His first decent game since the Philly game last season.


:lol
including summer league? :lol

[ceperez]

His biggest weakness, and Pop hates this, is that he THINKS he is better than he ACTUALLY is.

I agree. He's good in a lot of things, but not exceptional in any. He should just stick to the Matt Bonner play book. Spread the floor, keep your feet set, pass the ball to the open man, take the shot when open. He gets into big trouble when he drives the ball into the lane.

He could be a good Robert Horry kind of role player.

When compared to Bonner, Bonner's shot are all very accurate even though they don't all go in. In the last game, 3-6 from the 3 point line is very good. However, the 3 shots he missed were way off.

[FireMicoHalili]

I agree. He's good in a lot of things, but not exceptional in any. He should just stick to the Matt Bonner play book. Spread the floor, keep your feet set, pass the ball to the open man, take the shot when open. He gets into big trouble when he drives the ball into the lane.

He could be a good Robert Horry kind of role player.

When compared to Bonner, Bonner's shot are all very accurate even though they don't all go in. In the last game, 3-6 from the 3 point line is very good. However, the 3 shots he missed were way off.
has he shot above 50% in any games he's played in this season? Haven't tracked all of his stats in the first few contests. I hope today's game helped his confidence

[Ice009]

He could be a good Robert Horry kind of role player.

He's nowhere near a Robert Horry kind of role player. He hasn't shown hardly any of the characteristics necessary to be that kind of player.

[Mel_13]

He could be a good Robert Horry kind of role player.

No. He hasn't even shown that he could be a Matt Bonner kind of role player.

[100%duncan]

What the fuck did I just read


Comparing a scrub to a cold blooded reptile like Robert Horry :lmao

[Ice009]

What the fuck did I just read


Comparing a scrub to a cold blooded reptile like Robert Horry :lmao

I don't think the guy realizes what Robert Horry's game is. or it's been too long and he forgot. I think he took the 3 point shooting route and never thought about any other part of Horry's game.

If the Spurs had Robert Horry right now as the 4th big, I'd be fucking ecstatic.

[timtonymanu]

:lol ceperez has also said Gary Neal was the next Mario Elie. A less dumb comparison but he's had those takes before.

[jeebus]

I'd be fucking exstatic.


:lol gross tbh

[FireMicoHalili]

what littlecoyotecoin has been saying from day one: Don't expect anything from Daye. Any good he does is just gravy.

[FireMicoHalili]

danmccarneysaen
To say Alan Anderson just beat Austin Daye off the dribble does not seem adequate. Daye's uniform almost burst into flames

[BackHome]

:lol gross tbh

just got that one..:)..lol

[benstanfield]

Beating the rims like a Ugandan nanny tbh

[manufan10]

Beating the rims like a Ugandan nanny tbh

:lol

[exstatic]

Beating the rims like a Ugandan nanny tbh

I have no idea what that means, but I :rollin

[FireMicoHalili]

another day at the office :lol BUT HEY AT LEAST HE HAD A BLOCK. Because a 6'10" SF blocking a shot has never happened before :lmao

[Chinook]

They need to involve Daye in the offense more, put him in Diaw positions instead of Bonner positions. Austin is much better inside the arc than he gets credit for, and he's much worse outside of it than he has a right to be. Honestly, there's little reason why anyone should be primarily spotting up at this point of the season.

[ceperez]

They need to involve Daye in the offense more, put him in Diaw positions instead of Bonner positions. Austin is much better inside the arc than he gets credit for, and he's much worse outside of it than he has a right to be. Honestly, there's little reason why anyone should be primarily spotting up at this point of the season.

You can't be serious. He's a Bonner replacement. Bonner just happens to be a Horry replacement, but not a very good one.

If you recall, when Horry played, almost every team would post him up when he was in the court.

Daye provides length, 3 point shooting and defensive rebounding. He can also dribble and pass, but I don't think the Spurs need him for this.

Regarding post play, the team already has Duncan, Diaw and Leonard to do some effective post play.

[boutons_deux]

Daye's career FG% is 40%

His Spurs FG% is 27%.

[jeebus]

I'd rather have Finley at this point.

[mkurts]

They need to involve Daye in the offense more, put him in Diaw positions instead of Bonner positions. Austin is much better inside the arc than he gets credit for, and he's much worse outside of it than he has a right to be. Honestly, there's little reason why anyone should be primarily spotting up at this point of the season.

Hell no

[exstatic]

They need to involve Daye in the offense more, put him in Diaw positions instead of Bonner positions. Austin is much better inside the arc than he gets credit for, and he's much worse outside of it than he has a right to be. Honestly, there's little reason why anyone should be primarily spotting up at this point of the season.

He looked pretty bad, both inside and out.

If he's only effective inside, he may be of no use to the Spurs. We already have Tim, Tiago, Aron, and Jeff in that category. Daye is also shooting 29% inside the arc, so I'm not sure what you're seeing. CoJo is a player who is effective inside the arc. Daye? Not so much.

Daye is in a terrible, precarious position on this roster. He has no unique skill, and the players (Diaw, Anderson) he shares skills with, like being a very tall ball handler/passer, bring SO much more to the table.

[FireMicoHalili]

Daye is in a terrible, precarious position on this roster.
His proponents always ask for him to be given time and touches. Now he's being given those two things, he appears to be worse than he was last season. He hasn't had a full season under Pop, technically, but on a contract year, and after a summer he was asked to be the focal point of a summer league offense, you'd expect more. He's currently shooting at his lowest field goal percentage and the second-worst three-point shooting clip of his whole career in 13 games in so far. Once the Spurs are back up to speed, with Splitter eating up minutes at the four and five and Belinelli getting minutes at the two and three, Daye could probably have missed his chance.

Then again, he gets paid only $1M so...

[Dverde]

He shots too much. He is a ball stopper. Pass the ball more. I do think his defense and rebounding is better than Bonner. He reminded me of SJAX's last year. I think Spurs phase in Anderson and phase out Daye mid season.

[Mel_13]

Daye is in a terrible, precarious position on this roster.

I think you can fairly say that he's in a precarious position as an NBA player. Even with his very small salary, I doubt that he would be claimed by another NBA team if he was waived by the Spurs.

[Horse]

Fuck daye the majority of Spurs talk could hit 50% of the looks he gets. I've never seen someone get and miss the shots he gets.

[Mel_13]

He could be a good Robert Horry kind of role player.


You can't be serious.

[exstatic]

He shots too much. He is a ball stopper. Pass the ball more. I do think his defense and rebounding is better than Bonner. He reminded me of SJAX's last year. I think Spurs phase in Anderson and phase out Daye mid season.

Anderson probably goes to Austin for most of the season. They have a home game today, and it wouldn't shock me to see him play in it.

[ceperez]

I think you can fairly say that he's in a precarious position as an NBA player. Even with his very small salary, I doubt that he would be claimed by another NBA team if he was waived by the Spurs.

I agree with you here that if he's waived by the Spurs, it'll be the end of his NBA career.

Pop is certainly giving him a lot of opportunity to prove his worth. He's give Daye more playing time that players like Mahinmi ever received.

The reason should be obvious by now, Daye enough basketball IQ and ball handling skills that he's not too much of a liability when he's in the court.

Unfortunately, so far he's had too many turnovers and has not been accurate enough with his shots.

I say the Spurs resign him for a long term contract for the bare minimum. He's a good player to have at $1m a year.

[littlecoyotecoin]

His proponents always ask for him to be given time and touches. Now he's being given those two things, he appears to be worse than he was last season. He hasn't had a full season under Pop, technically, but on a contract year, and after a summer he was asked to be the focal point of a summer league offense, you'd expect more. He's currently shooting at his lowest field goal percentage and the second-worst three-point shooting clip of his whole career in 13 games in so far. Once the Spurs are back up to speed, with Splitter eating up minutes at the four and five and Belinelli getting minutes at the two and three, Daye could probably have missed his chance.

Then again, he gets paid only $1M so...

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Daye is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Daye.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Daye's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Daye's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Daye will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Daye got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Daye should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Daye. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

[Chinook]

He looked pretty bad, both inside and out.

If he's only effective inside, he may be of no use to the Spurs. We already have Tim, Tiago, Aron, and Jeff in that category. Daye is also shooting 29% inside the arc, so I'm not sure what you're seeing. CoJo is a player who is effective inside the arc. Daye? Not so much.

There's a difference between being a post player and paint player like those guys and being an elbow player. Tim's the only one of those four who can really play there, and his lack of mobility really limits his ability to be a triple-threat. If Daye is struggling to hit threes, he should move closer to the basket -- it's that simple. It doesn't have to be a permanent thing; just something to get him some confidence. This is the time of the season where Pop experiments. He shouldn't just do that with lineups; he should also do it with roles within lineups. When the games matter, Daye will be on the bench, and if he has to be in, he'll be a spot-up shooter. But right now, there's little downside to trying to maximize his skill-set.

One of Daye's main problems is that he is encouraged to shoot every time he touches the ball due to playing as a spot-up guy. Give him the ball inside the arc, and he'll be able to do more with it while not just jacking up shots. It took at least a year before the Spurs stopped parking Green in a corner on Parker drives. Now Danny is not as pressured to shoot when he touches the ball outside the three-point line. Daye needs that same progression, even though he hasn't shot well enough to gain a bigger role in a real rotation.


Daye is in a terrible, precarious position on this roster. He has no unique skill, and the players (Diaw, Anderson) he shares skills with, like being a very tall ball handler/passer, bring SO much more to the table.

Obviously. He's not better than Bonner, nor can he really play the three. He's the 15th man right now, or at least tied for 14th with Ayres.

[Chinook]

You can't be serious. He's a Bonner replacement. Bonner just happens to be a Horry replacement, but not a very good one.

He's not a Bonner replacement, nor was Bonner an Horry replacement. Just being an undersized four that shoots threes doesn't put them in the same niche.


If you recall, when Horry played, almost every team would post him up when he was in the court.

And?


Daye provides length, 3 point shooting and defensive rebounding. He can also dribble and pass, but I don't think the Spurs need him for this.

He doesn't provide shooting, which is why he's in such a precarious position. Also, the team needs to use the fact that he can dribble and pass rather than ignoring it. If Daye isn't going to be a reliable shooter, he needs to do other things. Get him in the mid-range and see what he can do.


Regarding post play, the team already has Duncan, Diaw and Leonard to do some effective post play.

That's fine for the low-post. But no one on the team really does anything with the high post except high-lows. There's plenty of room in that spot for a little experimentation.

[DDUBB1770]

Fuck daye the majority of Spurs talk could hit 50% of the looks he gets. I've never seen someone get and miss the shots he gets.

Have you not seen Jeff don't call me Pendergraph Ayres play?

[Russ]

:lol ceperez has also said Gary Neal was the next Mario Elie. A less dumb comparison but he's had those takes before.

Gary Neal could've had it all.

Rollin in the deep.

[Horse]

Have you not seen Jeff don't call me Pendergraph Ayres play?
He didn't come here for his shooting. But yeah fuck him too.

[ceperez]

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Daye is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Daye.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Daye's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Daye's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Daye will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Daye got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Daye should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Daye. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

Great post. I think a lot of folks here are critical of Daye because he doesn't pass the eye test. At the same time, they ignore his stats like steals, blocks, rebounds and even assists.

The Spurs clearly think he has potential otherwise they wouldn't be playing him in the middle of games. In terms of rotation, Anderson and Ayres are definitely behind Daye.

In terms of defense, it is obvious that his length does help compensate for his lack of foot speed.

Daye just needs to be more efficient and less error prone. That comes with sticking what he does well and avoiding situations when he needs to create while driving to the basket. He should learn from Bonner and stick to basic moves on offense. Bonner knows his limitations which unfortunately Daye hasn't yet figured out. That's because clearly he has more skills than Bonner.

[ceperez]

There's a difference between being a post player and paint player like those guys and being an elbow player. Tim's the only one of those four who can really play there, and his lack of mobility really limits his ability to be a triple-threat. If Daye is struggling to hit threes, he should move closer to the basket -- it's that simple. It doesn't have to be a permanent thing; just something to get him some confidence. This is the time of the season where Pop experiments. He shouldn't just do that with lineups; he should also do it with roles within lineups. When the games matter, Daye will be on the bench, and if he has to be in, he'll be a spot-up shooter. But right now, there's little downside to trying to maximize his skill-set.

One of Daye's main problems is that he is encouraged to shoot every time he touches the ball due to playing as a spot-up guy. Give him the ball inside the arc, and he'll be able to do more with it while not just jacking up shots. It took at least a year before the Spurs stopped parking Green in a corner on Parker drives. Now Danny is not as pressured to shoot when he touches the ball outside the three-point line. Daye needs that same progression, even though he hasn't shot well enough to gain a bigger role in a real rotation.



Obviously. He's not better than Bonner, nor can he really play the three. He's the 15th man right now, or at least tied for 14th with Ayres.

If you're a Spurs role player, taking a mid range jumper is a no-no. You either lay it up or take it from the 3 point line. You don't see Baynes or Ayres jacking up mid range jumpers.

I don't think Daye would be more accurate if he shot closer from the basket. He clearly has the range. What he needs is to improve his consistency. He should learn something from Bonner and Green. Both always have the exact same form when they launch their shot. Daye by contrast still needs to improve on being more consistent.

[FireMicoHalili]

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Daye is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Daye.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Daye's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Daye's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Daye will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Daye got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Daye should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Daye. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.
mostly speculation, *still* not enough time, point could have been made had you said 'I agree, he's bad on both ends, he should start knocking down shots'

[FireMicoHalili]

Great post. I think a lot of folks here are critical of Daye because he doesn't pass the eye test. At the same time, they ignore his stats like steals, blocks, rebounds and even assists.

The Spurs clearly think he has potential otherwise they wouldn't be playing him in the middle of games. In terms of rotation, Anderson and Ayres are definitely behind Daye.

In terms of defense, it is obvious that his length does help compensate for his lack of foot speed.

Daye just needs to be more efficient and less error prone. That comes with sticking what he does well and avoiding situations when he needs to create while driving to the basket. He should learn from Bonner and stick to basic moves on offense. Bonner knows his limitations which unfortunately Daye hasn't yet figured out. That's because clearly he has more skills than Bonner.
1. If eye test says bad body language, it's a fair shake to be critical. Not only is his body language bad, but so are his stats. Small sample size yes, *may* regress to the mean (a speculation with not much to cling to thus far), but this is as good a chance he'll ever get this season. No one ignores his other stats, but to be fair, if you're a 6'10" small forward with that much length and mobility (as pointed out by someone else, he's not too heavy), it's fair to expect stats like that.
2. He clearly has potential, or maybe they just need another warm body while the other players are injured. Potential or not, there hasn't been much showing of it.
3. See point #1, fourth sentence.
4. "Daye just needs to be more efficient and less error prone" Ya think?

[Ice009]

I say the Spurs resign him for a long term contract for the bare minimum. He's a good player to have at $1m a year.

If the Spurs need a roster spot then either Ayres or Daye needs to go. They certainly don't need to keep him around just because he's cheap.

[littlecoyotecoin]

If the Spurs need a roster spot then either Ayres or Daye needs to go. They certainly don't need to keep him around just because he's cheap.

Obviously if they need a roster spot, they would want to get rid of the guys furthest down the bench, if possible. I'm not sure why this keeps needing to be restated. The questions are:

1) Who would you replace them with for the same price or cheaper that would contribute as much, or more?

2) Does that player actually want to play here?

3) Does Pop and the FO also want them here, or is it just you?

Most of the suggestions I see are no better than Daye or Errors, and a lot of them seem much worse. Some wanted Cotton, for example. He looked like a dead end, even though we could use a guard. Others thought J. Green was the bees knees, but he failed a combination of #1 and #3, above. If he was the answer to the 14th or 15th spot, Pop and the FO didn't believe he was a significant enough improvement to justify the financial hit. They had a lot of time to mull that over, and ultimately disagreed with the peanut gallery on that one, etc etc etc.

If they still have some faith in these two guys being their best options at the moment, I won't second guess them as I tend to agree with them and am patient.

[ceperez]

Obviously if they need a roster spot, they would want to get rid of the guys furthest down the bench, if possible. I'm not sure why this keeps needing to be restated. The questions are:

1) Who would you replace them with for the same price or cheaper that would contribute as much, or more?

2) Does that player actually want to play here?

3) Does Pop and the FO also want them here, or is it just you?

Most of the suggestions I see are no better than Daye or Errors, and a lot of them seem much worse. Some wanted Cotton, for example. He looked like a dead end, even though we could use a guard. Others thought J. Green was the bees knees, but he failed a combination of #1 and #3, above. If he was the answer to the 14th or 15th spot, Pop and the FO didn't believe he was a significant enough improvement to justify the financial hit. They had a lot of time to mull that over, and ultimately disagreed with the peanut gallery on that one, etc etc etc.

If they still have some faith in these two guys being their best options at the moment, I won't second guess them as I tend to agree with them and am patient.

I personally am not very keen on Ayres. I thought he would be a McDyess like player that had a decent mid range jumper, but I have yet to see evidence of this.

I think the Spurs may need another center. Splitter's injury is a big unknown and having just Baynes as a backup to Duncan isn't going to be enough. Not sure if there's anyone out there that has the basketball IQ to not be a liability for the Spurs.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I personally am not very keen on Ayres. I thought he would be a McDyess like player that had a decent mid range jumper, but I have yet to see evidence of this.

I think the Spurs may need another center. Splitter's injury is a big unknown and having just Baynes as a backup to Duncan isn't going to be enough. Not sure if there's anyone out there that has the basketball IQ to not be a liability for the Spurs.

My thinking is outside injury talk. If we lose Splitter, anything goes. Etc. I am just saying, what good player is comin' to SA cheap, to sit on the bench and play garbage minutes? Good players usually want more money, more playing time, etc. So, you usually fill those spots with old vets or young long-shot prospects or yeomen. Daye and Ayres are infinitely more useful than have been the Tracy McGrady and and Bateers of years past. I am all for upgrading these positions, but most of the choices that have been floated have been exchanging a five for five ones. RC isn't sitting around with his thumb up his ass. I'm pretty sure Pop and he are aware of some other options. And, I want to see Daye play out the year, so I'm good with their decision. And, during a title defense, I think it might even be good to stand pat with Ayres, too. Corporate knowledge and all that.

[ChumpDumper]

If you're a Spurs role player, taking a mid range jumper is a no-no. You either lay it up or take it from the 3 point line. You don't see Baynes or Ayres jacking up mid range jumpers.Well, not anymore since they proved they couldn't make that shot last season.

[Chinook]

If you're a Spurs role player, taking a mid range jumper is a no-no.

That's not even remotely true. Joseph takes them all the time. The important thing is to be a good mid-range shooter, not to be a star.


You don't see Baynes or Ayres jacking up mid range jumpers.

They're not particularly good at it. That's why they don't take them.


I don't think Daye would be more accurate if he shot closer from the basket. He clearly has the range. What he needs is to improve his consistency. He should learn something from Bonner and Green. Both always have the exact same form when they launch their shot. Daye by contrast still needs to improve on being more consistent.

Not sure that Daye really does have the range. But that's not the point. He should move closer to the basket not only to get an easier shot, but also to be able to better use his passing and dribbling. Sure, it would make him easier to close out to, but it would also give him a shorter driving lane. Also, his height would be a bigger advantage as he moves closer.

[SnakeBoy]

He may be missing his chance, agreed. But, The Spurs are very patient with projects. Daye is shooting worse than ever. The question is, is that the new normal? Or, would you expect him to at the least revert back to the mean? Any player, at his age, I would expect them to revert back to the mean. It would be bizarre to think their shooting ability regresses this much in their "prime" and stays there. Danny Green 18 missed in a row from the arc. Belli started off 0/11 from the arc in the preseason. Still isn't shooting well. Was 0/2 last night. Kyle is 0/5. Kawhi is shooting .229 from 3. Team 3% is ticking up. It was down 8% from last year, but is now down only 4%. Much better, but still indicative of how pervasive the problem has been. It's not just Daye.

Also, I wonder if Chip's tutelage has anything to do with getting in the their heads, if their working on form more aggressively in the beginning of the season, have they also been tweaking Daye's form, or he's just wilting under the pressure of trying to earn a spot? Whatever the case, it has manifested in some real ugliness. I also wonder to what extent Pop has given him the green light to press shots, or shoot himself out of it, etc. I would like to be a fly on the wall to the psychology, there. I do seem to see the team passing more to him, as his slump continues. He may be lighting it up in practice for all we know. They still seem to believe he can knock it down. Even though he isn't.

It has been painful to watch his early shooting, to be sure. And, the team's in general. I wish he would pass on some of his ill-chosen 2-point attempts, as well. However, I doubt The Spurs are going to get rid of him this year. He has still played under 250 minutes of game-time as a Spur. I still don't feel like this is as much time as others seem to pretend it is. I think The Spurs will continue to give him opportunities and coach him up, and see what they've got at the end of the year. If he has made no improvement by March or April, then it will not be a surprise if Bertans gets his spot, or LJC, or any other project, next season. I just don't see The Spurs being as critical of their investment this early in the renovation.

Exstatic is right that he is in a precarious position, but his position has always been precarious since the day he arrived. I believe some even thought he would be waived after the De Colo trade, before the end of the regular season. Many believed that he would surely not have his $750,000 option for this year picked up by The Spurs. They were all wrong. Then there are the ones that floated multiple scenarios where The Spurs would cut him, eat whatever portion of his contract they must and open a roster spot for their veteran that wouldn't come here or their prospect de jour. That didn't happen either. Now, after a shooting start well below his average, the same group of people is saying that Daye's days are numbered and he is playing himself out of the league, etc. He might be. But he's already done enough to make all of those other predictions wrong, thus far, and unless someone spectacular comes available, or we have serious injury issues, Daye will continue to get an opportunity throughout the rest of the season.

He probably misunderstood where he was supposed to be positioned with Tony on one play. That turnover may have been on him, mostly, not Tony. The pass into the corner he fumbled was just a bad pass. Those things are fixed over time. No biggie. Most of these guys have played together for years and years. Even our "young" Danny Green has been in the system for 4-5 freakin' years now, I believe. Some familiarity and calm comes with that kind of tenure.

Daye got burned a few times on defense last night. One time on a switch he ended up guarding Williams out at the top of the key. Daye should not be guarding Williams near the top of the key. I don't expect him to do really well in those situations. Guarding a guard is not a dream scenario for him. He was in a bad situation and didn't survive it. We've seen Tony torch plenty of bigs like that. I don't hold that so much against Daye. Perimeter defense was going to always be his weakness. This is not surprising. There are not a lot of 6'11" perimeter defenders. Much less million dollar ones. His interior defense has been much better than everyone originally suggested. Everyone harped on his weight.

If you take note of all of the criticisms of him this season, thus far, very few issues are being made of his weight. He is holding his own in the paint pretty well. Not great, but acceptable, and already much better than detractors said he would be able to.

Also, some of his other contributions have been adequate (I did not say great, or even good, just good enough) enough that if his shooting had been up to par or better, some of his short-comings would be mitigated. His inability to shoot the ball has put a magnifying glass on his every other flaw, and has even caused observers to dismiss his contributions.

One cannot make fun of his foot speed and getting burned by a smaller, quicker player, and at the same time dismiss his blocks, steals, altered shots, and rebounds as just a function of him being a "tall" small forward. Those strengths and weaknesses go hand in hand. It would be like making fun of Tony for being quick, because, you know, 6' guards are supposed to be quick.

The good news is, he can almost immediately start being a net positive by simply knocking down his jumper. And, as a shooter, that could as easily begin in the next game as it could not.

He just needs a little more time. He's almost there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezbxV6nOvRc

[ceperez]

My thinking is outside injury talk. If we lose Splitter, anything goes. Etc. I am just saying, what good player is comin' to SA cheap, to sit on the bench and play garbage minutes? Good players usually want more money, more playing time, etc. So, you usually fill those spots with old vets or young long-shot prospects or yeomen. Daye and Ayres are infinitely more useful than have been the Tracy McGrady and and Bateers of years past. I am all for upgrading these positions, but most of the choices that have been floated have been exchanging a five for five ones. RC isn't sitting around with his thumb up his ass. I'm pretty sure Pop and he are aware of some other options. And, I want to see Daye play out the year, so I'm good with their decision. And, during a title defense, I think it might even be good to stand pat with Ayres, too. Corporate knowledge and all that.

The fact that Daye can play multiple positions is a plus in a scenario with multiple injuries. Ayers by contrast is one-dimensional.

[beirmeistr]

He did not look bad in that video.

[SnakeBoy]

He did not look bad in that video.

He was shooting better. Everything else the coach talked about him needing to improve on is pretty much the same today. The video is from 2011.

[Ice009]

I don't hate this guy or anything, but he's not doing himself any favors with his play out on the court. He's not making the most of his opportunities and that sucks.

I think he needs to show/play with a little bit of desperation out there and play like his NBA career depends on it.

[ceperez]

He was shooting better. Everything else the coach talked about him needing to improve on is pretty much the same today. The video is from 2011.

He didn't improve from 2011 until now. I'm counting on the Spurs system to make him a better player.

[FireMicoHalili]

bumping because Philly game

[100%duncan]

I cant believe this scrub has 29 pages dedicated to him

[FireMicoHalili]

He did not look bad in that video.

He was shooting better. Everything else the coach talked about him needing to improve on is pretty much the same today. The video is from 2011.
...probably because it's a montage of shots he made, with just one short bit of him struggling against guarding Z-Bo. Just one clip where he blocks a shot, and to be fair 6'9" - 6'10" wings get blocks, and he isn't even consistent in that regard. If everything else the coach talked about him needing to improve on is pretty much the same today, after three years, I'd say that's stagnation.

[ChumpDumper]

I figure they want to keep him around a good part of the year to see if he can replace Bonner, but there's a small forward in Austin currently shooting 22/40 from the arc after five games. Even if he's another Moses Ehambe, he's going to be called up somewhere. This is when the full roster gets dicey.

[spurraider21]

they had an out this offseason and instead let this piece of shit take up a roster spot when we were already running thin on spots

[Ice009]

I figure they want to keep him around a good part of the year to see if he can replace Bonner, but there's a small forward in Austin currently shooting 22/40 from the arc after five games. Even if he's another Moses Ehambe, he's going to be called up somewhere. This is when the full roster gets dicey.

Who's shooting that percentage for Austin?

[ChumpDumper]

Jarrell Eddie. The SWBCs did trade for him so they must've seen something in him.

[Ice009]

Jarrell Eddie. The SWBCs did trade for him so they must've seen something in him.

Interesting. I'll look him up.

What does SWBC stand for?

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting. I'll look him up.

What does SWBC stand for?That's their "title sponsor" this season. The credit union's logo is at center court in Austin so I just use that to differentiate them from the SA Spurs.

It's dumb, I know -- that's why I will keep using it.

[Beaverfuzz]

Fuck this Temple.

[Beaverfuzz]

And this temple is worth 4 points. Fuck him.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I'm pretty sure your misplaced rage caused you to add an extra point and miss his 6 boards in 13 minutes. Your 15th man had a pedestrian game, but as per par, not as bad as the tar and pitchforks suggest.

[Beaverfuzz]

I'm pretty sure your misplaced rage caused you to add an extra point and miss his 6 boards in 13 minutes. Your 15th man had a pedestrian game, but as per par, not as bad as the tar and pitchforks suggest.

that's what I get for trusting yahoo during the game. 6 boards vs guys he should be playing with on a regular basis.

Fuck him.

[littlecoyotecoin]

that's what I get for trusting yahoo during the game. 6 boards vs guys he should be playing with on a regular basis.

Fuck him.

But we're all gonna suck Kawhi's balls tonight for scoring against the same scrubs. Can't have it both ways.

[hater]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Francesco_Hayez_017.jpg

[look_at_g_shred]

lol

[hater]

soft jumpshooter. But he's long and young so he'll be tried out to support Kawhi's assignments

why are ppl comparing him to ayres, dude is a toothpick. Ayres is a big body (who happens to suck)

Hater's best case scenario: Tayshaun Prince/Andrea Barganini
Hater's worst case scenario: Adam Morrison

the goods

[look_at_g_shred]

the goods
Very kind with the best scenario?

[hater]

Very kind with the best scenario?

I meant an over the hill Prince which = prime Barganini

but at this point Adam Morrison is more and more likely with each passing minute :lmao

[look_at_g_shred]

lol ^

[FireMicoHalili]

let's all just agree this guy is terrible :lol

[Beaverfuzz]

But we're all gonna suck Kawhi's balls tonight for scoring against the same scrubs. Can't have it both ways.

Yes you can. How many did Kawhi have? How many did Daye have? Enough said, go home to your kind Daye and take Anderson with you! SCRUBS!!

[littlecoyotecoin]

Yes you can. How many did Kawhi have? How many did Daye have? Enough said, go home to your kind Daye and take Anderson with you! SCRUBS!!

Um, no. Daye scored 22 against Philly in fewer minutes and it was dismissed due to reasons of inferior competition.

Tonight, not a great game, but he still had 8 points and 17 rebounds per 36 minutes. He only played 13 minutes and took 3 shots. Leonard played 32 minutes. He had great numbers, but the minutes difference is substantial, and still versus the same shitty team Daye scored on, previously. Daye still has a lot of flaws, but these are relevant considerations. Not sure why you would just say "...but but how many points..." in this case.

[Raven]

i don't understand what is there to bitch about with him tbh.. he's doing his job and he's getting better.

[ceperez]

Um, no. Daye scored 22 against Philly in fewer minutes and it was dismissed due to reasons of inferior competition.

Tonight, not a great game, but he still had 8 points and 17 rebounds per 36 minutes. He only played 13 minutes and took 3 shots. Leonard played 32 minutes. He had great numbers, but the minutes difference is substantial, and still versus the same shitty team Daye scored on, previously. Daye still has a lot of flaws, but these are relevant considerations. Not sure why you would just say "...but but how many points..." in this case.

Only problem was the two turn-overs. The assist to Baynes was pretty good though. I think he's in the same mindset as Green. Mental lapses on weak passes causing turn-overs.

BTW.... it appears that now that Bonner doesn't have that pressure to produce because of a diminished contract, he's actually playing much better than ever!

[Beaverfuzz]

Um, no. Daye scored 22 against Philly in fewer minutes and it was dismissed due to reasons of inferior competition.

Tonight, not a great game, but he still had 8 points and 17 rebounds per 36 minutes. He only played 13 minutes and took 3 shots. Leonard played 32 minutes. He had great numbers, but the minutes difference is substantial, and still versus the same shitty team Daye scored on, previously. Daye still has a lot of flaws, but these are relevant considerations. Not sure why you would just say "...but but how many points..." in this case.


You can use all of your +/- projections but the total amount comes to a single three pointer. Light that one up and smoke it.

[littlecoyotecoin]

You can use all of your +/- projections but the total amount comes to a single three pointer. Light that one up and smoke it.

+\- projections? You may be dumb, you might want to check. Do you have a dipstick?

[SpursFan86]

Not sure I've ever seen a player of Daye's caliber have such a rabid defender :lol

[littlecoyotecoin]

Only problem was the two turn-overs. The assist to Baynes was pretty good though. I think he's in the same mindset as Green. Mental lapses on weak passes causing turn-overs.

BTW.... it appears that now that Bonner doesn't have that pressure to produce because of a diminished contract, he's actually playing much better than ever!

Yes. Was a nice assist to Baynes.

His poor shooting early in the season is now clearly in his head. Last night he passed up at least two shots that he needed to take. One, Boris chewed him out for not taking, apparently, and another I think was on a different play where he passed up a shot late in the shot clock and dumped it to a driving Belli that had to put up a worse shot because Daye didn't take his own shot, I think.

Still a little foul-prone, but he's not biting on up-fakes any more. He was bad about that when he first arrived, it seemed. Could do without as many turnovers, but at least a couple shots went down for him in the last two games.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Not sure I've ever seen a player of Daye's caliber have such a rabid defender :lol

You read selectively, as I am critical of him as well. Few things are black and white. Just because I discuss positive aspects of his game sometimes doesn't mean I'm a blind supporter. If he doesn't improve his shooting, and they decide to get rid of him at the end of the season, I'm all for it. His usefulness hinges on his ability to shoot the 3. If he can't do that, his other small contributions don't make up for his weaknesses.

[Beaverfuzz]

+\- projections? You may be dumb, you might want to check. Do you have a dipstick?


Yes +/-. No one gives a crap about hypothetical numbers, prove it on the court or get out of this temp....I mean outhouse of Daye.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Yes +/-. No one gives a crap about hypothetical numbers, prove it on the court or get out of this temp....I mean outhouse of Daye.

I didn't once mention +/-, so even you might be able to understand my confusion when you reference it. Even now a second time, after I gave you a hint.

And, I clearly did point out what he did do on the court. He had another good rebounding effort in his 13 minutes. After having 11 rebounds a few nights ago. That's just a fact you choose to ignore. Ok.

If he doesn't improve his shooting, though, it's not worth keeping him for, though. However, if his shooting does improve, it's some nice gravy.

[FireMicoHalili]

Um, no. Daye scored 22 against Philly in fewer minutes and it was dismissed due to reasons of inferior competition.


Tonight, not a great game, but he still had 8 points and 17 rebounds per 36 minutes. He only played 13 minutes and took 3 shots. Leonard played 32 minutes. He had great numbers, but the minutes difference is substantial, and still versus the same shitty team Daye scored on, previously. Daye still has a lot of flaws, but these are relevant considerations. Not sure why you would just say "...but but how many points..." in this case.


So glad you chose to drop per 36 numbers. If we use his stats in the Houston game, he would have had 14 points and seven rebounds (on 7/27 shooting, which is amazing 'per par'). If we use his stats in the Boston game, around 18 points and zero rebounds. If we use the Golden State game stats, he comes up with virtually nothing. Per 36 numbers are certainly a great way to gauge potential, but it merely sells a hope or an expectancy, which is all that's been used to sell Daye. When given the minutes, however, he hasn't shown much, despite the obvious green light to shoot.

Your latest crutch is that he 'maybe' has changed his form, which nothing has been written about. It's a long season, 65 games left, but 17 games is a considerable chunk, and on a contract year. I think most would be satisfied if you started analyzing his bad shooting nights just as in-depth as you bloat the value of every rebound, block, steal, or assist he tallies in garbage time, no matter how boring a treatise it is or no matter how many qualifiers you put in your statements. Because honestly it's like seeing someone defend being in an emotionally abusive relationship. Everyone can see how bad he is, except you. Just let him go, woman.

[FireMicoHalili]

Time for Pop to make the biggest risk the Spurs are known for making annually...signing 10-day contracts. Only going to be possible if this guy is waived.

http://airalamo.com/2015/01/08/austin-daye-time-waive-struggling-forward/

[BackHome]

The guy sucks he should not be on our team and please don't tell me we could not find a better player then him.

[jermaine]

Spurs are to stubborn to cut him!

[hooperflash]

http://youtu.be/JRai3FjpZTw

[exstatic]

Austin Daye is probably the worst Spur player of the Duncan era.

[Beaverfuzz]

See Minnesota, you need Austin Daye. You want Austin Daye. Look into my eyes, and trade for Austin Daye!

[hater]

Austin Daye is probably the worst Spur player of the Duncan era.

:lol 8 straight points in the 2nd quarter :lol

[benefactor]

:lol 8 straight points in the 2nd quarter :lol
Hopefully he keeps it up...and strings a couple of more games together like this. Might be able to get a second round pick for him instead of cutting he outright.

[TheGreatYacht]

See Minnesota, you need Austin Daye. You want Austin Daye. Look into my eyes, and trade for Austin Daye!
:lol this

[ElNono]

I'm just glad we can still bump this thread at least once a season, tbh :lol

[DMC]

I agree. He's good in a lot of things, but not exceptional in any. He should just stick to the Matt Bonner play book. Spread the floor, keep your feet set, pass the ball to the open man, take the shot when open. He gets into big trouble when he drives the ball into the lane.

He could be a good Robert Horry kind of role player.

When compared to Bonner, Bonner's shot are all very accurate even though they don't all go in. In the last game, 3-6 from the 3 point line is very good. However, the 3 shots he missed were way off.

lol... Robert Horry was a hell of a role player. No way Daye could even sniff that.

[DMC]

http://youtu.be/JRai3FjpZTw

Do you think he sent her a pic of his penis?

[NFO]

Do you think he sent her a pic of his penis?

IF he didn't, he should have.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, against the Wolves and all that, but I'd rather see him on the floor over Marco any fuckin' day (no pun) of the week. Has Marco ever grabbed 10 rebounds in his career?

[hater]

Rachel Demita

holy shit....

[ceperez]

http://www.nba.com/games/20150110/SASMIN/gameinfo.html?ls=slt#Q3

22 pts... 10 rebounds.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Worst 15th man for The Spurs, evar. Bateer was pulling double doubles on the regs, tbh. Daye only has two, and that other 22 point game against scrub teams.

[Raven]

he's good tbh.

[Beaverfuzz]

Do you think he sent her a pic of his penis?

She already has Oden's third leg, why would she want scrub Daye's junk?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Cuz Daye's doesn't have microfractures?

[DMC]

She wants a champion

[spursparker9]

She wants a champion

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/18783/20141006/kevin-durant-girlfriend-kd-rumored-to-be-dating-online-sports-personality-rachel-a-demita-photo-video.htm

Durant is rumored to be dating online sports personality Rachel Annamarie DeMita. According to sports gossip website TerezOwens.com, "Rachel A. DeMita & KD are seeing each other. She has always had a thing for him. She's a former baller. She's a college grad. & enjoys playing video games like KD. She and KD get along very well. They have been seeing each other since his birthday party in NYC. She was the one that KD was throwing a kiss at. They left the party together. They're a great match and she loves basketball."

[ceperez]

Austin Daye is probably the worst Spur player of the Duncan era.

The guy just scored 22 points and had 10 rebounds. Given your earlier posts, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic here.

[Ice009]

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/18783/20141006/kevin-durant-girlfriend-kd-rumored-to-be-dating-online-sports-personality-rachel-a-demita-photo-video.htm

Durant is rumored to be dating online sports personality Rachel Annamarie DeMita. According to sports gossip website TerezOwens.com, "Rachel A. DeMita & KD are seeing each other. She has always had a thing for him. She's a former baller. She's a college grad. & enjoys playing video games like KD. She and KD get along very well. They have been seeing each other since his birthday party in NYC. She was the one that KD was throwing a kiss at. They left the party together. They're a great match and she loves basketball."

I thought KD was married or engaged?

[DMC]

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/18783/20141006/kevin-durant-girlfriend-kd-rumored-to-be-dating-online-sports-personality-rachel-a-demita-photo-video.htm

Durant is rumored to be dating online sports personality Rachel Annamarie DeMita. According to sports gossip website TerezOwens.com, "Rachel A. DeMita & KD are seeing each other. She has always had a thing for him. She's a former baller. She's a college grad. & enjoys playing video games like KD. She and KD get along very well. They have been seeing each other since his birthday party in NYC. She was the one that KD was throwing a kiss at. They left the party together. They're a great match and she loves basketball."


Unless Westbrook wants her at which time KD's tail will tuck and he'll relent to the pack alpha.

[wildbill2u]

Daye had a very good game. The strange thing is that he got so many minutes (35) after largely being pinned to the bench for many games. Now I speculate that there are some reasons for his emergence in this game:

1. A epiphany on the part of the coaching staff that Daye would be perfect for this particular game and CIA Pop bought into it.
2. noticeable improvement by Daye in practice leading to number 1 above.
3. Daye is on the trading block and they gave him starters minutes to show what he's got.
4. Injuries and resting of starters played a big factor.
5. All of the above.

[Johnny RIngo]

Showcasing him for a trade most likely(for a 2nd rounder maybe?). Pop's not stupid. He gave him plenty of chances this season and Daye's come up short every time. A meaningless 22 points against the 2nd worst defense in the NBA seems like too little, too late. Did the same thing against the Sixers last year. Everything's against Daye at this point - box score numbers, advanced metrics. Just a shitty, shitty player.

[Mr Bones]

I don't think Pop has any misconceptions about Daye. He gave him extra minutes against a weak team, and Daye responded. It's a good thing, but no one's thinking Daye is suddenly going to be Kevin Durant or Kawhi Leonard. When the 15th best player on your team gives you 22 & 10, you should be at least somewhat happy... rather than focusing on how he's still not a star, or a starter. Can you name the 15th guy on the '96 Bulls? What about the '05 Pistons, or the '11 Mavericks?

[ceperez]

Daye had a very good game. The strange thing is that he got so many minutes (35) after largely being pinned to the bench for many games. Now I speculate that there are some reasons for his emergence in this game:

1. A epiphany on the part of the coaching staff that Daye would be perfect for this particular game and CIA Pop bought into it.
2. noticeable improvement by Daye in practice leading to number 1 above.
3. Daye is on the trading block and they gave him starters minutes to show what he's got.
4. Injuries and resting of starters played a big factor.
5. All of the above.

Here's my take.

Daye can be quite good against inexperienced players. He also got a double-double the last time he played against the Timberwolves.

Also given the Belinelli and Leonard aren't playing, then he is the remaining SF left. I think Anderson had some kind of injury to explain his limited minutes.

Daye IMHO is a respectable Bonner replacement. However, Bonner is playing better than he had ever played before, so I don't think there's any opening for playing Daye in serious must-win games.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Showcasing him for a trade most likely(for a 2nd rounder maybe?). Pop's not stupid. He gave him plenty of chances this season and Daye's come up short every time. A meaningless 22 points against the 2nd worst defense in the NBA seems like too little, too late. Did the same thing against the Sixers last year. Everything's against Daye at this point - box score numbers, advanced metrics. Just a shitty, shitty player.

Wishful thinking. All indications are they are very patient with their investment in him. If I had to gamble, I think I would bet on them keeping him even next year over trading him this year. Not that I am advocating for, or against this. It is just more their MO, and tidbits that seem to indicate this to me.

Mr. Bones is much more reasonable with his assessment of their expectations, etc.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Wishful thinking. All indications are they are very patient with their investment in him. If I had to gamble, I think I would bet on them keeping him even next year over trading him this year. Not that I am advocating for, or against this. It is just more their MO, and tidbits that seem to indicate this to me.

Mr. Bones is much more reasonable with his assessment of their expectations, etc.

And, he has actually had far fewer chances than I thought he would get because we've lost too many games and played in too many close games to risk playing him in.

It is true that the early chances he did get, he didn't do much with, but the team in general was playing like shit, especially outside shooting was horrific in the first 10-15 games, him included, but definitely not exclusively.

[UZER]

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/18783/20141006/kevin-durant-girlfriend-kd-rumored-to-be-dating-online-sports-personality-rachel-a-demita-photo-video.htm

Durant is rumored to be dating online sports personality Rachel Annamarie DeMita. According to sports gossip website TerezOwens.com, "Rachel A. DeMita & KD are seeing each other. She has always had a thing for him. She's a former baller. She's a college grad. & enjoys playing video games like KD. She and KD get along very well. They have been seeing each other since his birthday party in NYC. She was the one that KD was throwing a kiss at. They left the party together. They're a great match and she loves basketball."

Does she know he eats his own boogers?

[Mr Bones]

If Daye gives the Spurs a single good 10 minute run in a single playoff series, Pop will be thrilled. He's the lowest paid guy on a championship level team, the 15th out of 15 guys. Barring injuries or blow outs, I wouldn't even expect him to play at all in the postseason. Pop's experimenting, and sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. But conventional wisdom would've said you can't use Boris Diaw to guard LeBron James either, and Pop used that strategy sparingly to the Spurs' advantage...

[Malik Hairston]

I don't hate Daye like the rest of the forum, I don't think I have even discussed him since the "Daye traded to Spurs" thread, but I don't believe he's being showcased for a trade, nor do I believe any team would trade for him, tbh(outside of being a throw-in/filler)..

He's fine for a 15th man, there aren't many players at the absolute end of the bench that can give you 20 and 10, regardless of competition, as Mr. Bones said..however, I don't think the Spurs still view him as a project, he's 26 years old and doesn't have a niche in the NBA..other teams probably don't value him, at all, either, which has been the case for a few years now..

Bill Simmons joked about Daye being a "failed project" with the Spurs the other day on his podcast, for example, I think we're past the point of Daye being an intriguing prospect for anybody..

It's essentially up to him whether he wants to continue playing as a 12th-15th man in the NBA, or get a bigger role overseas..

[littlecoyotecoin]

And he seems happy to be here...which is a bad combination for those that beg him gone.

[ceperez]

It's essentially up to him whether he wants to continue playing as a 12th-15th man in the NBA, or get a bigger role overseas..

I don't think Daye is atheletic enough to play overseas. Typical overseas players are the athletic kind that is hard to find overseas.

Daye is more like a European player in terms of athleticism.

[ceperez]

Austin Daye goes bananas!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo5zngT5qWI

[Drom John]

Worst 15th man for The Spurs, evar. Bateer was pulling double doubles on the regs, tbh. Daye only has two, and that other 22 point game against scrub teams.

For combined seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2014-15; playing for the San Antonios Spurs (Tex/Dal); requiring Minutes Played >= 370; sorted by ascending Win Shares Per 48 Minutes.

-.060 Damon Stoudamire
-.047 Chris Whitney
-.029 Alfredrick Hughes
-.025 Sleepy Floyd
-.018 Jay Vincent
-.007 Pete Meyers
-.006 Greg Sutton
-.003 Albert King
.000 Carl Herrera
.000 Shawn Higgins
.004 Mike Evans
.010 Michael Anderson
.010 Sean Roth
.011 Austin Daye

[littlecoyotecoin]

For combined seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2014-15; playing for the San Antonios Spurs (Tex/Dal); requiring Minutes Played >= 370; sorted by ascending Win Shares Per 48 Minutes.

-.060 Damon Stoudamire
-.047 Chris Whitney
-.029 Alfredrick Hughes
-.025 Sleepy Floyd
-.018 Jay Vincent
-.007 Pete Meyers
-.006 Greg Sutton
-.003 Albert King
.000 Carl Herrera
.000 Shawn Higgins
.004 Mike Evans
.010 Michael Anderson
.010 Sean Roth
.011 Austin Daye

So, according to that stat, if you throw out all of the ones that were so bad they didn't even get enough minutes of playing time to qualify for the stat, there are...what 8 worse than him by that one metric. So, he's not the worst ever. And, he's not even the worst of the Tim era, which is what I was tongue-in-cheek making fun of...Exstatic's untimely quote just before ST's favorite (next to Ayers, maybe) scapegoat has a solid game. Bateer was one of our 15th men so bad he didn't even qualify for your stat because they really couldn't play him at all. Not in garbage time. Not even against lower caliber competition, and he was bounced from the team relatively quickly. But, Daye, according to the hyperbole, is even more useless than Bateer, who played in the TD era. Just having a little fun. But, thanks for the stat sort.

Also, I am surprised Daye even qualified for that stat, unless you used him as the cutoff after he just achieved that minute total last night. He had 114 last season, I believe.

[Drom John]

So, according to that stat, if you throw out all of the ones that were so bad they didn't even get enough minutes of playing time to qualify for the stat, there are...what 8 worse than him by that one metric. So, he's not the worst ever. And, he's not even the worst of the Tim era, which is what I was tongue-in-cheek making fun of...Exstatic's untimely quote just before ST's favorite (next to Ayers, maybe) scapegoat has a solid game. Bateer was one of our 15th men so bad he didn't even qualify for your stat because they really couldn't play him at all. Not in garbage time. Not even against lower caliber competition, and he was bounced from the team relatively quickly. But, Daye, according to the hyperbole, is even more useless than Bateer, who played in the TD era. Just having a little fun. But, thanks for the stat sort.

Also, I am surprised Daye even qualified for that stat, unless you used him as the cutoff after he just achieved that minute total last night. He had 114 last season, I believe.

Daye's career minutes played with the Spurs was my choice for the cutoff, so 13 have worse WS per 48 minutes stats that played more minutes than Daye.
That does not make Daye at .011 good.
I don't want a .011 player unless he was a rookie learning the craft. I'd like the .011 to be 15th man instead of 13th man. Daye is ahead of 14th man Ayres mostly because of Leonard's injury, and ahead of 15th man Mills because of Mills' injury. Mills is solidly in the rotation. May Leonard put Daye in a coat and tie soon. So, I predict Daye will be 15th man by the end of the season.

[wildbill2u]

Wonder if Pop was impressed enough by his last game to give him some minutes tonight? With Pop you can never tell which way he will jump.

[Hemotivo]

Bye bye Daye

[FireMicoHalili]

No way Daye is leaving. As littlecoyotecoin will argue, he could have logged 25 points and 10 rebounds in 36 minutes tonight. Also he's not that terrible because Diaw had a worse +/- than he did.

[littlecoyotecoin]

No way Daye is leaving. As littlecoyotecoin (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=45419) will argue, he could have logged 25 points and 10 rebounds in 36 minutes tonight. Also he's not that terrible because Diaw had a worse +/- than he did.

Exactly.

Glad your're not letting his ten minutes of play distract you from any real issues the team is dealing with.

[FireMicoHalili]

Exactly.

Glad your're not letting his ten minutes of play distract you from any real issues the team is dealing with.
Am I supposed to gain something from worrying about any issues the Spurs have at the moment? I'm sure they'll figure it out and if they don't, not like anyone here can do anything about it. There is, however, some fun proving sanctimonious posters wrong. Thanks for playing mate, you've been made.

[jeebus]

I officially take a shit on the altar of this church and on everyone who believed in him at any point of his Spurm career.

[SpursFan86]

Sorry to hear about your loss, littlecoyotecoin

[TheGreatYacht]

RIP my condolences

[bobcatfan4life]

Time to burn this place to the ground.

[ElNono]

He got a ring out of it... respect. Good luck wherever you go.

[elemento]

Yeah, sometimes I forget it. Austin Daye has a NBA ring, Adam Morrison style :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

RIP. At least he rang.

[Ditty]

Sucks for Austin Daye. He had his moments that he played well, but most of the time he wasn't really good. He seemed to really like it here, and the players seemed to really like him also. Hopefully if no one picks him up he winds up in Austin. Looking forward to seeing if this JaMychal Green is worth the hype if he plays at all these next ten days.

[benefactor]

ceperez gone cry in da car

[r0drig0lac]

Time to burn this place to the ground.

hahaha

[Mel_13]

http://theresaecho.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/closed-church.jpg

[Beaverfuzz]

SHUT
IT
DOWN!

[Raven]

damn that sucks..

[timtonymanu]

Got his ring before he left. There just wasn't a need for him.

[FaM0us Skins]

I saw this coming..

[Godbama]

I officially take a shit on the altar of this church and on everyone who believed in him at any point of his Spurm career.

[look_at_g_shred]

Daye 1
durant 0

[ceperez]

I would have thought that a player like J.Green would replace Ayres rather than Daye.

[jeebus]

I would have thought that a player like J.Green would replace Ayres rather than Daye.

http://s1.dmcdn.net/AtXfu/526x297-tWA.jpg

[Yuixafun]

Time to burn this place to the ground.

Don't forget to salt the earth.

[benefactor]

I would have thought that a player like J.Green would replace Ayres rather than Daye.
More guaranteed money tbh.

[100%duncan]

No way Daye is leaving. As littlecoyotecoin will argue, he could have logged 25 points and 10 rebounds in 36 minutes tonight. Also he's not that terrible because Diaw had a worse +/- than he did.
:lmao

[FireMicoHalili]

:lmao
I was being sarcastic mate. Backread to see how much I despise the lengths littlecoyotecoin went just to justify how good his guy is.

[100%duncan]

I was being sarcastic mate. Backread to see how much I despise the lengths littlecoyotecoin went just to justify how good his guy is.

I know hence the laugh. That guy is a retard :lol

[Ice009]

I said he should never have been bought back over 6 months ago. I didn't want him back then. I don't know what the Spurs were thinking. Huge waste of time and money.

[ChumpDumper]

I said he should never have been bought back over 6 months ago. I didn't want him back then. I don't know what the Spurs were thinking. Huge waste of time and money.Silly hyperbole.

The Spurs were looking for an eventual Bonner replacement, plain and simple. Half a season, about 1.6% of the total salary -- not much at all.

[Ice009]

Silly hyperbole.

The Spurs were looking for an eventual Bonner replacement, plain and simple. Half a season, about 1.6% of the total salary -- not much at all.

Maybe that statement was a bit over-the-top. You're right in what they were looking for, but all I will add to that is that I just didn't think he was any good or worth the time. I guess the Spurs did, and unfortunately they were wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe that statement was a bit over-the-top. You're right in what they were looking for, but all I will add to that is that I just didn't think he was any good or worth the time. I guess the Spurs did, and unfortunately they were wrong.Never know until you try.

Little opportunity cost and when it hits, it can hit big. That's what the last roster spot is for.

[ceperez]

Well, Daye truly milked the fact that he got a ring. Check out his Instagram page:

http://instagram.com/adfiv5/

Sigh.... he should have worked much harder in the off-season to stay in the team.

[exstatic]

http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/01-destroyed-church-in-kosovo-e1280505271758.jpg?w=1000

[Ice009]

Well, Daye truly milked the fact that he got a ring. Check out his Instagram page:

http://instagram.com/adfiv5/

Sigh.... he should have worked much harder in the off-season to stay in the team.

Look, no offense, but you mentioned him being a Robert Horry type of player. Even though he's off the team, I've still got a problem with that. What the hell made you think he could be even 1% of Robert Horry?

[FireMicoHalili]

Look, no offense, but you mentioned him being a Robert Horry type of player. Even though he's off the team, I've still got a problem with that. What the hell made you think he could be even 1% of Robert Horry?
save it mate, ceperez (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13356) and another Daye supporter won't be commenting on their egregious conclusions. They're probably hoping the forum forgets.

[FlAVaK]

Now a Hawk:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--hawks-to-sign-austin-daye-to-10-day-contract-160753644-nba.html

[Ellsworth]

Now a Hawk:

Daye, 27, was waived in the preseason by the San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/)...

:lmao:rollin:depressed

[jeebus]

http://hawksquawk.net/community/topic/405297-hawks-calling-up-austin-daye/



poor fuckers. though not quite as delusional as spurfan was when he came to SA.

[Robz4000]

Date would've hit his FTs if he were on the stripe to seal the game...

[dabom]

Date would've hit his FTs if he were on the stripe to seal the game...

Who the fuck is date?

[Robz4000]

Who the fuck is date?

Autocorrection ruined my trolling attempt before it could begin :depressed

[littlecoyotecoin]

save it mate, ceperez (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13356) and another Daye supporter won't be commenting on their egregious conclusions. They're probably hoping the forum forgets.

You always read too much into what I said about him, and refused to read much of it at all, apparently. No problem if you don't want to read it all. Sometimes it was lengthy, but if you don't read it, you also don't get to pretend you understand what all was said. You pretend as if I never said anything bad about Daye, or didn't have very reasonable expectations of him. You often take a comment out of context instead of in the framework of the sum total of what was said, and you're still seemingly sore over it for some reason.

I was a little suspect of him in several areas. Seems moot to revisit them all for you in a post you may not read.

I saw several of your other smart-ass comments toward me when Daye was waived, just didn't care to respond at the time. This post has taken too much time, itself. But, I thought I would make one to your five. I had always attempted to be polite with you, got you on my friend list, but you just seem to want to poke and prod.

Daye's ouster from the team has little to do with why I don't post much any longer. I am just much busier, life is good, and this season has ended up being a lot more boring than it was originally shaping up to be (injuries, Anderson being shipped to Austin, Austin being waived, it's just turned into a middling seeding hunt and a wait to see what they can do in the playoffs...top seed aspirations and new players were taken out of the mix early...)

I am not surprised that Daye was waived. I said that from early on. The last guy on the bench is always a fair candidate for that honor. He couldn't shoot the 3, which was the most intriguing part of his game. Had he been able to do that as well as he had at times during his career, instead of shooting nearer his career worst, things may have been different. C'est la vie. I have no regrets about anything.

I don't expect shooters to come into this system and shoot WORSE than their career averages. Much less close to their career worsts. Instead, I expect them to shoot as well or better in this system with lots of open looks. I would expect that from Daye, or the next shooter. I don't think it is irrational.

The entire team is still shooting about 3% worse from downtown than they did last year. At the beginning of the year, it was far worse. Daye being somewhat of a one trick pony, I am sure his poor shooting weighed heavily in their decision. But, it wasn't just Daye shooting poorly.

They had a draft pick fall to them that made him redundant in many ways. No one anticipated that we would draft Anderson. Anderson probably won't defend the rim as well as Daye, Anderson's length is slightly less, and Anderson wasn't supposed to shoot as well as Daye, but since Daye didn't shoot well, Anderson seems as good or better in just about every other aspect of the game, younger, with more upside.

And, if he was as bad as he is still made out to be, do you think Pop gives Coach Bud the thumbs up when he calls him about this 10 day contract? I don't know if he got this little stint on Bud's team out of pure coincidence.

The kid out-lived almost all prognostications on this board. Almost everyone had him gone even before the regular season started. Some had him being waived as soon as he landed here from Toronto, never to play in the NBA again, etc etc.

All prognostications that have been proved incorrect.

He didn't get a full season here, but they got a good look and decided on Green, then Williams instead. I'm fine with their decision. It won't affect our playoff run, which is why all the hate was totally unwarranted.

[Cloud786]

"Can't figure out why he didn't stick with SA. Damn good pick up."

http://hawksquawk.net/community/topic/405297-hawks-calling-up-austin-daye/

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Cloud786]

"The great thing about the Hawks is unlike the Spurs, our system is based off of ball and PLAYER movement."

http://hawksquawk.net/community/topic/405297-hawks-calling-up-austin-daye/page-2

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[BillMc]

Would be weird if Daye repeats as champ. :lol Not impossible now.

[benefactor]

You always read too much into what I said about him, and refused to read much of it at all, apparently. No problem if you don't want to read it all. Sometimes it was lengthy, but if you don't read it, you also don't get to pretend you understand what all was said. You pretend as if I never said anything bad about Daye, or didn't have very reasonable expectations of him. You often take a comment out of context instead of in the framework of the sum total of what was said, and you're still seemingly sore over it for some reason.

I was a little suspect of him in several areas. Seems moot to revisit them all for you in a post you may not read.

I saw several of your other smart-ass comments toward me when Daye was waived, just didn't care to respond at the time. This post has taken too much time, itself. But, I thought I would make one to your five. I had always attempted to be polite with you, got you on my friend list, but you just seem to want to poke and prod.

Daye's ouster from the team has little to do with why I don't post much any longer. I am just much busier, life is good, and this season has ended up being a lot more boring than it was originally shaping up to be (injuries, Anderson being shipped to Austin, Austin being waived, it's just turned into a middling seeding hunt and a wait to see what they can do in the playoffs...top seed aspirations and new players were taken out of the mix early...)

I am not surprised that Daye was waived. I said that from early on. The last guy on the bench is always a fair candidate for that honor. He couldn't shoot the 3, which was the most intriguing part of his game. Had he been able to do that as well as he had at times during his career, instead of shooting nearer his career worst, things may have been different. C'est la vie. I have no regrets about anything.

I don't expect shooters to come into this system and shoot WORSE than their career averages. Much less close to their career worsts. Instead, I expect them to shoot as well or better in this system with lots of open looks. I would expect that from Daye, or the next shooter. I don't think it is irrational.

The entire team is still shooting about 3% worse from downtown than they did last year. At the beginning of the year, it was far worse. Daye being somewhat of a one trick pony, I am sure his poor shooting weighed heavily in their decision. But, it wasn't just Daye shooting poorly.

They had a draft pick fall to them that made him redundant in many ways. No one anticipated that we would draft Anderson. Anderson probably won't defend the rim as well as Daye, Anderson's length is slightly less, and Anderson wasn't supposed to shoot as well as Daye, but since Daye didn't shoot well, Anderson seems as good or better in just about every other aspect of the game, younger, with more upside.

And, if he was as bad as he is still made out to be, do you think Pop gives Coach Bud the thumbs up when he calls him about this 10 day contract? I don't know if he got this little stint on Bud's team out of pure coincidence.

The kid out-lived almost all prognostications on this board. Almost everyone had him gone even before the regular season started. Some had him being waived as soon as he landed here from Toronto, never to play in the NBA again, etc etc.

All prognostications that have been proved incorrect.

He didn't get a full season here, but they got a good look and decided on Green, then Williams instead. I'm fine with their decision. It won't affect our playoff run, which is why all the hate was totally unwarranted.
Did you really just type out this long fucking take in an Austin Daye thread?:lol No one is going to read this shit.

[pgardn]

You always read too much into what I said about him, and refused to read much of it at all, apparently. No problem if you don't want to read it all. Sometimes it was lengthy, but if you don't read it, you also don't get to pretend you understand what all was said. You pretend as if I never said anything bad about Daye, or didn't have very reasonable expectations of him. You often take a comment out of context instead of in the framework of the sum total of what was said, and you're still seemingly sore over it for some reason.

I was a little suspect of him in several areas. Seems moot to revisit them all for you in a post you may not read.

I saw several of your other smart-ass comments toward me when Daye was waived, just didn't care to respond at the time. This post has taken too much time, itself. But, I thought I would make one to your five. I had always attempted to be polite with you, got you on my friend list, but you just seem to want to poke and prod.

Daye's ouster from the team has little to do with why I don't post much any longer. I am just much busier, life is good, and this season has ended up being a lot more boring than it was originally shaping up to be (injuries, Anderson being shipped to Austin, Austin being waived, it's just turned into a middling seeding hunt and a wait to see what they can do in the playoffs...top seed aspirations and new players were taken out of the mix early...)

I am not surprised that Daye was waived. I said that from early on. The last guy on the bench is always a fair candidate for that honor. He couldn't shoot the 3, which was the most intriguing part of his game. Had he been able to do that as well as he had at times during his career, instead of shooting nearer his career worst, things may have been different. C'est la vie. I have no regrets about anything.

I don't expect shooters to come into this system and shoot WORSE than their career averages. Much less close to their career worsts. Instead, I expect them to shoot as well or better in this system with lots of open looks. I would expect that from Daye, or the next shooter. I don't think it is irrational.

The entire team is still shooting about 3% worse from downtown than they did last year. At the beginning of the year, it was far worse. Daye being somewhat of a one trick pony, I am sure his poor shooting weighed heavily in their decision. But, it wasn't just Daye shooting poorly.

They had a draft pick fall to them that made him redundant in many ways. No one anticipated that we would draft Anderson. Anderson probably won't defend the rim as well as Daye, Anderson's length is slightly less, and Anderson wasn't supposed to shoot as well as Daye, but since Daye didn't shoot well, Anderson seems as good or better in just about every other aspect of the game, younger, with more upside.

And, if he was as bad as he is still made out to be, do you think Pop gives Coach Bud the thumbs up when he calls him about this 10 day contract? I don't know if he got this little stint on Bud's team out of pure coincidence.

The kid out-lived almost all prognostications on this board. Almost everyone had him gone even before the regular season started. Some had him being waived as soon as he landed here from Toronto, never to play in the NBA again, etc etc.

All prognostications that have been proved incorrect.

He didn't get a full season here, but they got a good look and decided on Green, then Williams instead. I'm fine with their decision. It won't affect our playoff run, which is why all the hate was totally unwarranted.


For or a long read, this was a hell of a good post imo.

[HI-FI]

happy for Daye, hopefully he can stick around. I imagine the Spurs hooked him up with Spurs East.

[pgardn]

Did you really just type out this long fucking take in an Austin Daye thread?:lol No one is going to read this shit.

yes

Im strange.
The guy has to be given credit for his passion and for keeping up.
People like this make this a good read for the possessed.

[ceperez]

Daye to sign multi-year contract with Atlanta Hawks

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237301/Hawks-To-Sign-Austin-Daye-To-Multi-Year-Deal

[Russ]

Daye to sign multi-year contract with Atlanta Hawks

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237301/Hawks-To-Sign-Austin-Daye-To-Multi-Year-Deal

Good for him. I always thought he could be a rotation player for the Spurs. He had the talent to fit right in.

But, rightly or wrongly, Spurs reclamation projects need to convey a certain contrition and appreciation to Pop -- maybe he didn't.

Hopefully, he won't come back to haunt.

[PingPong]

Who will get Ayres?

[TheGreatYacht]

He's in the conference finals while we're looking into the draft :pctoss

[Obstructed_View]

Well, he's watching the conference finals like the rest of us, he just has a seat right behind the bench.

[Darius Bieber]

Spurs have always won a championship when he's on the roster.

[wildbill2u]

http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/01-destroyed-church-in-kosovo-e1280505271758.jpg?w=1000

The temple has fallen. LOL. Great find on the pic.

[ceperez]

Austin Daye scores 52 points in Pro-Am league:

http://www.nba.com/hawks/features/austin-daye-scores-52-points-pro-am-game

in other news....

Austin Daye is waived by Hawks.

[TheGreatYacht]

646820441575653376

[Chinook]

Dude's finding a way to hang on.

[ceperez]

Dude's finding a way to hang on.

I'm surprised that the Cavs still have space in their roster / budget.

[Maddog]

Dude's finding a way to hang on.

Not surprising. He's one of those guys that look good from far but are far from good

[timtonymanu]

This nigga is still in the NBA? Props, tbh.

[ismael-robert]

Using him for spurs secrets, double agent

[TheDoctor]

Using him for spurs secrets, double agent

First our pro-scout Trajan Langdon and now Dayedreamer. Are the Spurs invading Cleveland to cause an implosion? Or are they hiring former Spurs' personnel for its corporate knowledge?

[ceperez]

First our pro-scout Trajan Langdon and now Dayedreamer. Are the Spurs invading Cleveland to cause an implosion? Or are they hiring former Spurs' personnel for its corporate knowledge?

Well you forget that they also signed Richard Jefferson.

Hope these two discards don't come back to haunt the Spurs.

BTW, news could have been misreported, according to this: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/09/austin_daye.html it's only a training camp deal.

[turkish spurs fan]

signed with my favourite team galatasaray according to news

[wildbill2u]

Strange dude. His 3 pt shot just seemed to disappear after his first game with the Spurs.

[turkish spurs fan]

GAME WINNER!

https://twitter.com/OwlPress/status/787666412202582017

[Chinook]

I hear he screamed into a pillow afterwards.