Church of Kyle Anderson

[Chinook]

I actually don't see the switch with Danny, but maybe with Tim... it really opens up possibilities for LMA and Kawhi. I really want him to shoot the 3, but its apparently not in his repertoire of confidence. Still he's been hot from the midrange, you have to guard him out there. I think without Tim you give up some things, but teams are playing very perimeter oriented these days anyways, and with Timmy's knee you don't want him to take a pounding for 30-35 minutes in the PO.

I can't see benching Tim. I just can't. I CAN totally see Anderson starting every game Tim sits and possibly being the first big off the bench. You can still give Tim fewer minutes that way.

The real question is if Diaw has become expendable with the rise of Anderson. People have been talking about trading Danny for a star, but Diaw only has half of his salary next year guaranteed. I could totally see someone being willing to take it in a dump with only a little incentive. That could totally help the Spurs get into the free-agent hunt, which they'll need to if Kyle is going to be more of a four going forward.

[Hoops Czar]

I can't see benching Tim. I just can't. I CAN totally see Anderson starting every game Tim sits and possibly being the first big off the bench. You can still give Tim fewer minutes that way.

The real question is if Diaw has become expendable with the rise of Anderson. People have been talking about trading Danny for a star, but Diaw only has half of his salary next year guaranteed. I could totally see someone being willing to take it in a dump with only a little incentive. That could totally help the Spurs get into the free-agent hunt, which they'll need to if Kyle is going to be more of a four going forward.

:lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I would give this church to ISIS to convert into a mosque, tbh

[SAGirl]

I can't see benching Tim. I just can't. I CAN totally see Anderson starting every game Tim sits and possibly being the first big off the bench. You can still give Tim fewer minutes that way.

The real question is if Diaw has become expendable with the rise of Anderson. People have been talking about trading Danny for a star, but Diaw only has half of his salary next year guaranteed. I could totally see someone being willing to take it in a dump with only a little incentive. That could totally help the Spurs get into the free-agent hunt, which they'll need to if Kyle is going to be more of a four going forward.

I can't see benching Tim either, but I do see his minutes reduced specially bc of the knee and he really isn't match up proof at this point in his career. The Pelicans with Timmy killed us last game and Pop eventually benched him last game giving him only 19 minutes even when he was healthy and LMA tweaked an ankle. There is a reason the Pellies have defeated us recently. It's possible even with Tim, he doesn't play many minutes against this Pelicans team tonight. They were too perimeter oriented and having Davis/LMA was much better than Davis/Tim and then Ryan Anderson/LMA.

I am truly not sure eventually what Pop wants to do with Anderson, he's now stepped up in the 4 bc Timmy is out, but b4 Pop had him at the 3. I thought the plan was having him as a 3, and if Manu retired next season you roll with Patty/Simmons/Anderson/Diaw and West or Boban or some big. But Anderson is versatile and can plug holes at the 4 against certain matchups and maybe even next season you play him more minutes bc he can play both spots.

Tim's knee to me is age. I am inclined to think its his last season (I could be wrong of course... just a hunch), in which case a move will have to be made. It's possible Simmons/Anderson are the eventual Manu/Diaw combo except Pop doesn't anticipate Diaw not being in the team so Kyle will be a 3 for a season.

This season, I do see Timmy's minutes reduced, specially when LMA is putting together these performances in Tim's absence. I do think Anderson can give you minutes in a kind of limited minutes death squad scenario, specially if he continues to improve (we must remember the positive that he's still getting better with his youth.)

Next season, if the veterans retire, Pop will have to evaluate the situation. They don't part with the beloved vets lightly but they might have to if they need someone to be a defensive anchor next to LMA.. bc you don't want to have him be a center all season.

[SAGirl]

Kyle drives past Kobe with the Iceman finger roll.
https://vine.co/v/irZ7KuDjn5U

[pgardn]

No confidence in a mid range "jumper" has opponents just backing off him.
This is his chance to shine with Manu absent, it's not happening yet.

[Mr. Body]

Kyle drives past Kobe with the Iceman finger roll.
https://vine.co/v/irZ7KuDjn5U

Nice audio on that.

[T Park]

No confidence in a mid range "jumper" has opponents just backing off him.
This is his chance to shine with Manu absent, it's not happening yet.



It's not happening? He's playing pretty damn well for what is a rookie year. Last year didn't play at all.

[ceperez]

Kyle drives past Kobe with the Iceman finger roll.
https://vine.co/v/irZ7KuDjn5U

Scoring in a crowd. That's what I like to see. Laker commentators claim it should have been a travel.

Anderson could learn a lot from Parker's footwork.

[raybies]

It's not happening? He's playing pretty damn well for what is a rookie year. Last year didn't play at all.

Agreed. Showing that he has potential to be a rotational player at this point is all we could ask for as a number 30 pick. Plus he's showing he could be more.

[ceperez]

For all the non-believers who thought he had played a bad game against the Lakers, watch this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu_nSgbcw4w

[Chinook]

He didn't have a bad game, but boy, he has some bad stretches.

[ceperez]

He didn't have a bad game, but boy, he has some bad stretches.

The point is that for the times he didn't do well, he continued to compete after. Read this: http://www.businessinsider.com/coach-k-on-investing-2016-2

He showed up when it really mattered. That's a good sign for a 22 year old who is expected to make the right play.

[raybies]

He didn't have a bad game, but boy, he has some bad stretches.

Understandable given his age and experience. Watching one of such stretches, just thought to myself this is why pop must prefer vets. He was learning on the job. The fouls too.

Did anyone else see kobe talking to him after kobe was dating him to shoot? It was during some foul shots. Wonder what kobe was telling him.

[sasaint]

I can't see benching Tim. I just can't. I CAN totally see Anderson starting every game Tim sits and possibly being the first big off the bench. You can still give Tim fewer minutes that way.

The real question is if Diaw has become expendable with the rise of Anderson. People have been talking about trading Danny for a star, but Diaw only has half of his salary next year guaranteed. I could totally see someone being willing to take it in a dump with only a little incentive. That could totally help the Spurs get into the free-agent hunt, which they'll need to if Kyle is going to be more of a four going forward.

So, I have an honest question for you and SAGirl. Why is it laudable for Manu to have played with the second unit for many years, but it would be an inglorious benching for Tim to play with the second unit? The best pairings since the beginning of the season have been LMA/West and Tim/Diaw. Tim/LMA has been awkward from the get-go. Yet many (most?) posters have refused to acknowledge it. It is about the team - not Tim or Tony or Manu, who accepted that long ago.

Perhaps now the best pairings are LMA/West and Tim/Anderson. I have posited since November that Kyle will ultimately become a point 4. That time is upon us, with Diaw's coasting/decline.

[raybies]

So, I have an honest question for you and SAGirl. Why is it laudable for Manu to have played with the second unit for many years, but it would be an inglorious benching for Tim to play with the second unit? The best pairings since the beginning of the season have been LMA/West and Tim/Diaw. Tim/LMA has been awkward from the get-go. Yet many (most?) posters have refused to acknowledge it. It is about the team - not Tim or Tony or Manu, who accepted that long ago.

Perhaps now the best pairings are LMA/West and Tim/Anderson. I have posited since November that Kyle will ultimately become a point 4. That time is upon us, with Diaw's coasting/decline.

Was honestly thinking the same thing last night. With kawhi and lma finding a rhythm and Tim in and out, the big 3 don't mix well. Everyone needs shots. Would rather have a more focused attack. But pop will probably save the adjustment for the playoffs. Really don't have to make that kind of chance now.

As for Kyle, I could see him starting as a for in this league too. He's got the size and length. I really think If Diaw has a poor showing in the playoffs he's gone. The fact that he hasn't been as efficient in the post and with Kyle younger and with a similar skill set we can call Diaw a luxury as of next year.

[sasaint]

He didn't have a bad game, but boy, he has some bad stretches.

Last night Kyle was 4 of 6 at the end of the first half, and had played quite well. At the end of the 3rd quarter he was 5 of 12. All players have poor stretches. But as ceperez commented, Kyle bounced back very well in crunch time. Some posters have claimed that Kyle's mid-range game is suspect or that he lacks confidence in it. It is not his mid-range game but his 3-point shot that is the issue. Kobe backed off of him when Kyle was outside his comfort zone, but still could have recovered to defend against his comfortable, mid-range shot. Kyle needs to become a bigger threat from 3, but his mid-range shot is fine. Working with Chip, he will hopefully improve both.

What I have noticed the last couple of games is Kyle's showing signs of some real toughness. Against the Clips he aggressively dove to the floor for a loose ball and pulled down a couple of tough rebounds. He boxed out bigger foes quite well on a couple of boards. Then last night, the drive he made for the finger roll showed determination, aggressiveness and the mental toughness in crunch time to put his abysmal third quarter behind him. At 22 he is developing about as well as anybody could expect especially for a late first round pick. I don't really understand his detractors. He will be a valued contributor next season. I wish he could reach that level for the playoffs this season, but that is something I cannot see.

[sasaint]

Was honestly thinking the same thing last night. With kawhi and lma finding a rhythm and Tim in and out, the big 3 don't mix well. Everyone needs shots. Would rather have a more focused attack. But pop will probably save the adjustment for the playoffs. Really don't have to make that kind of chance now.

As for Kyle, I could see him starting as a for in this league too. He's got the size and length. I really think If Diaw has a poor showing in the playoffs he's gone. The fact that he hasn't been as efficient in the post and with Kyle younger and with a similar skill set we can call Diaw a luxury as of next year.

The future without Tim seems to be arriving sooner and more suddenly than most expected. Last month I was scorned by many when I started a thread about this season being Tim's "farewell tour." I have believed for some time that this is Tim's (and Manu's) final season. All of our guys need to start fighting harder to compensate for the decline of our foundational players. Diaw's coasting (if that is what it is) - especially under these circumstances - won't cut it. We cannot afford a luxury this season, and we certainly can't afford it next season.

[raybies]

Anyone care to talk about his ceiling in averages and role?

As a Starter, I could see 12-14ppg 6-7rpg 4-5 apg in around 25-30mpg and as a bench player 8-9 ppg 3-4rpg 2-3apg in around 20-23 mpg. As far as role and his ceiling im a little unsure. Could he play manu role with the bench in the pick and roll or even play the two with the starters? Haven't seen him enough in the pick and roll and just thinking about it, he could be a point forward and best suited as a combo forward. As for the two, I think he can be played situationally. Like against the warriors and Livingston for example. Depending on how he does in the pick and roll he could potentially play a manu role or a Diaw role. When many retires I think he'll have his shot to facilitate. Also I think he could play a draymond green role in the aspect of having the ball at the top and shooting if he's open or passing to shooters coming off screens. I wonder if he can bulk up enough to guard dray in the post. Probably not fast enough to guard him on the perimeter. So I'm a little unsure as of small ball 5. His defense is hit or miss. He has vision but it's a little neglected, cause sometimes he makes really good passes but the intended recurve isn't expecting it. Needs to work on his three.

Edit: just noticed I put his averages at about draymond level. Lol but I think he can do that. Just don't know about defense. And I was talking as more of a four than a three.

[sasaint]

Anyone care to talk about his ceiling in averages and role?

As a Starter, I could see 12-14ppg 6-7rpg 4-5 apg in around 25-30mpg and as a bench player 8-9 ppg 3-4rpg 2-3apg in around 20-23 mpg. As far as role and his ceiling im a little unsure. Could he play manu role with the bench in the pick and roll or even play the two with the starters? Haven't seen him enough in the pick and roll and just thinking about it, he could be a point forward and best suited as a combo forward. As for the two, I think he can be played situationally. Like against the warriors and Livingston for example. Depending on how he does in the pick and roll he could potentially play a manu role or a Diaw role. When many retires I think he'll have his shot to facilitate. Also I think he could play a draymond green role in the aspect of having the ball at the top and shooting if he's open or passing to shooters coming off screens. I wonder if he can bulk up enough to guard dray in the post. Probably not fast enough to guard him on the perimeter. So I'm a little unsure as of small ball 5. His defense is hit or miss. He has vision but it's a little neglected, cause sometimes he makes really good passes but the intended recurve isn't expecting it. Needs to work on his three.

Edit: just noticed I put his averages at about draymond level. Lol but I think he can do that. Just don't know about defense. And I was talking as more of a four than a three.

I won't speculate about stats, but he will become a FOUR. If he maintains his current weight, he will be a second unit four, starting against some small ball teams. If he bulks up some and gains strength he will be a starting four against most teams. In either role he will be good.

[dabom]

For all the non-believers who thought he had played a bad game against the Lakers, watch this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu_nSgbcw4w

Can we get some Kobe highlights? :lmao

[ceperez]

Last night Kyle was 4 of 6 at the end of the first half, and had played quite well. At the end of the 3rd quarter he was 5 of 12. All players have poor stretches. But as ceperez commented, Kyle bounced back very well in crunch time. Some posters have claimed that Kyle's mid-range game is suspect or that he lacks confidence in it. It is not his mid-range game but his 3-point shot that is the issue. Kobe backed off of him when Kyle was outside his comfort zone, but still could have recovered to defend against his comfortable, mid-range shot. Kyle needs to become a bigger threat from 3, but his mid-range shot is fine. Working with Chip, he will hopefully improve both.

What I have noticed the last couple of games is Kyle's showing signs of some real toughness. Against the Clips he aggressively dove to the floor for a loose ball and pulled down a couple of tough rebounds. He boxed out bigger foes quite well on a couple of boards. Then last night, the drive he made for the finger roll showed determination, aggressiveness and the mental toughness in crunch time to put his abysmal third quarter behind him. At 22 he is developing about as well as anybody could expect especially for a late first round pick. I don't really understand his detractors. He will be a valued contributor next season. I wish he could reach that level for the playoffs this season, but that is something I cannot see.

It was a great learning experience for Kyle. He was matched up against Kobe and you better believe that Kobe was trash talking him. Hall of Famer daring his to shoot wide open. Kyle definitely got rattled, but he did recover.

Regarding defense against Kobe, it was pretty good, but when Kobe is hitting his shots he's hard to stop. Kobe has still got it, but due to age he doesn't have the staying power or the game to game consistency.

Simmons also had a good defensive play against Kobe in the few time he covered him. Simmons covered Kobe more times in the previous game against them.

What I did notice in defense was with Simmons and Butler was that they didn't need to switch. That's something I look forward to in the future.

[ceperez]

I won't speculate about stats, but he will become a FOUR. If he maintains his current weight, he will be a second unit four, starting against some small ball teams. If he bulks up some and gains strength he will be a starting four against most teams. In either role he will be good.

With the league moving to small ball, you can see how valuable a 6'9" player dribbling the ball becomes. When you have a team like the Lakers with mostly 6'6" and under players, Anderson just 'walked' into the lane and scored. Look at the play where he lays it up, there were 3 players already in the lane and 2 others a foot away from the lane. Smaller players don't bother Kyle Anderson.

[ceperez]

Can we get some Kobe highlights? :lmao

Yes... the Kobe highlight was were Kyle Anderson stole the ball in his cross-over move and dunked the ball on him. Maybe that's what fired up Kobe, he can't get embarrassed like that in his home court!

[dabom]

Yes... the Kobe highlight was were Kyle Anderson stole the ball in his cross-over move and dunked the ball on him. Maybe that's what fired up Kobe, he can't get embarrassed like that in his home court!

This bum should never play any minutes vs contenders. :lmao

[Chinook]

So, I have an honest question for you and SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524). Why is it laudable for Manu to have played with the second unit for many years, but it would be an inglorious benching for Tim to play with the second unit? The best pairings since the beginning of the season have been LMA/West and Tim/Diaw. Tim/LMA has been awkward from the get-go. Yet many (most?) posters have refused to acknowledge it. It is about the team - not Tim or Tony or Manu, who accepted that long ago.

Perhaps now the best pairings are LMA/West and Tim/Anderson. I have posited since November that Kyle will ultimately become a point 4. That time is upon us, with Diaw's coasting/decline.

Tim is the franchise in a way Manu never was. It's a much bigger deal to bench a GOAT candidate than it is to essentially keep a career sixth man on the bench. You don't do that, especially when that player is still often the best player in the starting unit.

Anyway, it's not obvious that Tim and LMA are an awkward front-court pair, and I don't think recent history has born that out. I do think LMA is an NBA center, but he can play PF, and Tim isn't a space-hogger. No one's refusing to acknowledge that, and if anything, the pairing was wonderful to start the season. So I don't agree with you. But the bench could perhaps best use Tim's skills, and West is still a great starter. On terms of personnel, it wouldn't be bad. But I wouldn't consider it this year. It would be much more appealing to me if this were done next season once they have a better rotation set.

[dabom]

West a starter next to LMA? :lmao

[sasaint]

Tim is the franchise in a way Manu never was. It's a much bigger deal to bench a GOAT candidate than it is to essentially keep a career sixth man on the bench. You don't do that, especially when that player is still often the best player in the starting unit.

Anyway, it's not obvious that Tim and LMA are an awkward front-court pair, and I don't think recent history has born that out. I do think LMA is an NBA center, but he can play PF, and Tim isn't a space-hogger. No one's refusing to acknowledge that, and if anything, the pairing was wonderful to start the season. So I don't agree with you. But the bench could perhaps best use Tim's skills, and West is still a great starter. On terms of personnel, it wouldn't be bad. But I wouldn't consider it this year. It would be much more appealing to me if this were done next season once they have a better rotation set.

We just have to agree to disagree about how awkward the Tim/LMA pairing has been for the entire season, recent history included. But Tim will not be here next season.

[sasaint]

It was a great learning experience for Kyle. He was matched up against Kobe and you better believe that Kobe was trash talking him. Hall of Famer daring his to shoot wide open. Kyle definitely got rattled, but he did recover.

Regarding defense against Kobe, it was pretty good, but when Kobe is hitting his shots he's hard to stop. Kobe has still got it, but due to age he doesn't have the staying power or the game to game consistency.

Simmons also had a good defensive play against Kobe in the few time he covered him. Simmons covered Kobe more times in the previous game against them.

What I did notice in defense was with Simmons and Butler was that they didn't need to switch. That's something I look forward to in the future.

Excellent points about the lessons for Kyle and Simmons. Making them guard for some extended play a trash-talking legend who can still bring it on some nights, had to make them grow up some. Despite his much ballyhooed last shot, he still hit his patented fade-away last night. Kyle was on him as well as he could have been on most of those shots.

Rasual/Simmons is a real luxury in that regard, but I doubt that Rasual has enough left in the tank for us to see much of it. Plus, I doubt he makes it back next season. In this regard the future is the next 3 months.

[Kawhitstorm]

We just have to agree to disagree about how awkward the Tim/LMA pairing has been for the entire season, recent history included. But Tim will not be here next season.

LMA had a career year playing with Robin Lopez who isn't exactly a stretch 5.:lol

The issue is that he is being asked to postup rather than play on the perimeter chucking up jumper.......Pop just needs to stop force feeding Softridge in the post b/c he doesn't want it against legit post defenders.:lol

[sasaint]

LMA had a career year playing with Robin Lopez who isn't exactly a stretch 5.:lol

The issue is that he is being asked to postup rather than play on the perimeter chucking up jumper.......Pop just needs to stop force feeding Softridge in the post b/c he doesn't want it against legit post defenders.:lol

LMA is 100% better facing the basket. I wish he would mix in some rolls to the bucket, but I am very happy with his PnP role. It's his fade-aways I hate.

Question: where did RoLo line up in Portland's half court schemes? Timmy and LMA are competing for the same spot on the left side post.

[SAGirl]

Excellent points about the lessons for Kyle and Simmons. Making them guard for some extended play a trash-talking legend who can still bring it on some nights, had to make them grow up some. Despite his much ballyhooed last shot, he still hit his patented fade-away last night. Kyle was on him as well as he could have been on most of those shots.

Rasual/Simmons is a real luxury in that regard, but I doubt that Rasual has enough left in the tank for us to see much of it. Plus, I doubt he makes it back next season. In this regard the future is the next 3 months.
Also some of the switching with Kyle seems by design. I saw Manu, Tony and at times Danny ask for switches with him. Sometimes, or often if you want, very often it's Kyle asking for the switch.

That has to be by design. When you see those things happening most of the game it's a green light from Pop to switch, and I am thinking perhaps even part of Anderson's training is to handle the switching. He was switching with Tony unto Chris Paul. It left a few possessions of Tony on Paul Pierce, but as in always in Pop's defenses he's picking his poison. Pop preferred to give the mismatch to Pierce, who's looked done at times, that the C.Paul PnR or penetration and dish, off Tony...

It's even more interesting if you project KA as a 4, bc atm even LMA is switching with some success. Boban unfortunately does it too and he shouldn't... Timmy zones back and doesn't switch giving up open jumpers, so sometimes he appears to not be guarding anyone, he's just preventing a drive. Diaw and West switch too, but West ideally you don't want him to do that. He's reluctant, and usually the switch is in the negative bc Patty is too small to guard effectively anyone. Diaw allowed us to be versatile bc of his switching ability too, but him being so heavy atm has reduced his effectiveness guarding in the perimeter. He switches rarely now and looks to recover back quickly.

Kyle is very versatile, just long and agile enough to handle a perimeter player for a possession, while also long and tall enough to switch onto a big and bother a pass or a shot and discourage a lob. He's in between, neither fast enough that you want him on quick players all the time, nor strong enough that you want him on strong big s all the time. Just gives you enough of not being a huge mismatch in either direction, that he will be able to handle switches better than any other big and that development has value.

He's still a project in that regard bc his switches have also been unsuccessful. But he's been good enough at it, that he switches more often than any other big and seems yo be encouraged to do that by Pop. That is the good aspect of the good tweener. The bad tweener is the one who is neither the 3 nor the 4 adequately (like Blair, too small and heavy and with no perimeter game, etc.) The good tweener, the one that the league is trending towards is the one who can shoot and has a dribble drive/3 pt shot/post up game like a 3, but can switch and guard 4s. I think KA is trending in that direction, or at least it's kind of what I have seen. He's given real minutes at the 3 and 4 in SL with some success. He just needs to add that 3 and some additional strength. If and when he does that we have ourselves a special guy bc he's already very crafty, skilled and with a high BBIQ. I think he's special even as he is, but I am a homer. If he adds the 3 and some additional strength he's for sure a keeper.

[Kawhitstorm]

Question: where did RoLo line up in Portland's half court schemes? Timmy and LMA are competing for the same spot on the left side post.

RoLo used to set screens for the shooters & crash the offensive boards ala Baynes.

[sasaint]

RoLo used to set screens for the shooters & crash the offensive boards ala Baynes.

We don't really have a comparable player. Tim is a great screen setter, but he isn't gonna crash the boards anymore. Back before the deadline that was why I had asked you about how Leuer compared to the Plumlee boys. If we could have swung a deal for MCW and Miles P, I might have been on board - just not MCW by himself.

[SAGirl]

I had to drop this here bc it happened.
https://vine.co/v/irgDgF7xlp5

[sasaint]

I had to drop this here bc it happened.
https://vine.co/v/irgDgF7xlp5

I missed the game today, so thanks for the link. Nice aggressiveness. Overall how was his game/Spurs' team game?

[bic50]

I had to drop this here bc it happened.
https://vine.co/v/irgDgF7xlp5

:wow

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I had to drop this here bc it happened.
https://vine.co/v/irgDgF7xlp5

kinda reminded me of what Manu did to Suns back in '05?

[SAGirl]

I missed the game today, so thanks for the link. Nice aggressiveness. Overall how was his game/Spurs' team game?
I though he played well. He was subbed from the 2 to the 4 so he showed how versatile he is. I noticed Simmons minutes were reduced and Kyle was at the 2 for a stretch and Simmons wasn't subbed in until later in the second Q. The wing rotation was Danny and Kyle, then Rasual came in for Danny, at that point Kyle was the 2. Then Danny came in for Kyle... and it wasn't until like 5 mins to go in the 2ndQ that Simmons came in, proceeded to get hit with a backdoor cut in the first possession, being faked out and at that point Ray saw a couple of minutes. I can only wonder at that...

It was a very hectic and helter skelter game. PNR destroyed Td and LMA... Kyle didn't have anything to do with that but he shared time with them in some very bad defensive sequences involving Tony, LMA and TD. TD looked awful. Alex Len had a career night against him, so he only played 16 mins, but he struggled on both ends. I think that is the most noteworthy aspect of this game.

Kyle did a good job on post defense using his length and was assigned to several different guys from Goodwin to Teletovich, Leuer, and Tucker. He wasn't backed down on post defense by neither Tucker, nor Teletovich and he frustrated both guys with his length. He blocked two shots defending the post but only got credited with one. I think he needs to be stronger, but he overall did well in post defense which is good to see considering he's still developing that body. Seems to have strong legs despite being slim. He had a few TO in this game. One was in a post entry pass to West who grabbed position in the paint. It was a risky pass anyway bc the guy was covered, but rarely are guys open in the paint, so it is a judgement call on wether to enter it or not. The pass itself wasn't bad, but it was deflected off and picked up. The other TO was after a broken up play, he tried to advance the ball to beat the end of the 3rd Q shot clock and it was picked off but there were about 3 seconds left so it wasn't like there were many options and neither team converted on a shot as the clock ran out... I guess what I am saying is they were not egregious like having a ball picked or anything of the sort or a TO from a post up by him like he's had in the past. He did well all things considered, and really the ball really moved really well when he played. You can tell he's always looking to make plays for others and is very unselfish but he took the shots he had to. Only two assists to him but he set up guys who got fouled and was responsible for some hockey assists that are never credited.

The fact D West only played 13 minutes and TD 16, just tells you the kind of perimeter and fast paced game it was. There were a lot of shooters to close out, and the suns threw zone defenses and pressured the ball, including doubling quickly.

Overall nothing special, but he wasn't bad either. He was guarding in the perimeter a lot thus the rebounding from him wasn't noteworthy, but when he had to, he boxed out. The guy who had a special game was Rasual. He's becoming really the best option against this kind of perimeter team (other than Kawhi that goes w/o saying) bc if you can't play your bigs like it happened in this case, Rasual' s uncanny shot blocking comes in handy. He had by far a better game, although I think Pop likes Kyle. He's earned trust IMO. I don't think we'll see him much once Kawhi gets healthy and he doesn't really fit well with the bench, with his lack of 3 pt shooting but he might see time against perimeter teams when TD is unplayable, which really is a big question mark.

I am sure Kyle would be a rotation player in a different team so next season Pop and RC have some thinking to do.

[SAGirl]

Going to drop this here too bc it is really funny.
http://hoopshype.com/2016/02/22/kyle-anderson-drives-and-dunks-and-manu-ginobili-cant-believe-it/
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[T Park]

Agreed. Showing that he has potential to be a rotational player at this point is all we could ask for as a number 30 pick. Plus he's showing he could be more.



Yeah he's grown leaps and bounds from last year. Next year he'll grow even more. His defense is especially better.

[ceperez]

Kyle Anderson best game ever as a Spur. 7-8 shooting. 8 rebounds. 2 steals.

He's finally separating himself from Simmons and Boban.

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[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Great game last night. Great basketball IQ. If on any other team he'd have pretty decent stats but his game isn't friendly on the Spurs system unless he's the main distributor

[Chinook]

Btb, Kyle is the actual secret weapon for the Spurs. More specifically, his defense is. I like that Pop is playing him at the four more, but he's doing it in a reactionary way. He needs to be proactive in playing Kyle there and forcing teams to adjust to it.

[sasaint]

Btb, Kyle is the actual secret weapon for the Spurs. More specifically, his defense is. I like that Pop is playing him at the four more, but he's doing it in a reactionary way. He needs to be proactive in playing Kyle there and forcing teams to adjust to it.

I don't think it is "reactionary" per se, but Pop's gradually gaining confidence in his play and extending his leash. The guy is such a unique talent that Pop has experimented with him in just about every way he could, and he is finally figuring out how he wants to use Kyle. Unlike his detractors here on ST and about 28 other coaches in the league, Pop has been patient. Every other coach in the league (with the possible exception of Bud) would have trotted him out as a traditional 2 or 3 or even 4 and never developed his true potential. Pop has made his experiments and methodically figured out how to best integrate his skill set into the team. Kyle is on his way to becoming an integral part of the Spurs TNG.

[Solid D]

Kyle did very well. I just hope he doesn't get a big head.

[SpursforSix]

Kyle did very well. I just hope he doesn't get a big head.

:lol

for real though, I like his confidence.

He's got a smooth shot and seems like a high release that makes it tough to block.

[SpursFan86]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DKXtH-vX58

[ceperez]

Another great game:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DKXtH-vX58

[Blake]

Kyle did very well. I just hope he doesn't get a big head.

:lol out loud irl

[silverblackfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DKXtH-vX58
Just watched the game again and still enjoyed these highlights. :tu

[SpursFan86]

Btb, Kyle is the actual secret weapon for the Spurs. More specifically, his defense is. I like that Pop is playing him at the four more, but he's doing it in a reactionary way. He needs to be proactive in playing Kyle there and forcing teams to adjust to it.

Given what people expected of him coming into the league, I think it's pretty encouraging that as of now defense is actually a strong suit of his rather than a weakness. I have faith that his offense will continue to come along as he gets more and more comfortable.

[cutewizard]

Kyle rulessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I said at the beginning of the season...if given the minutes KA could average 10 pts, 5 assists, 3 rebounds and 1 steal a game. With Manu out KA's confidence and contribution have increased. I look forward to seeing him on the court this season but even more next season.
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[NASpurs]

Kyle did very well. I just hope he doesn't get a big head.

:lol

[ceperez]

Btb, Kyle is the actual secret weapon for the Spurs. More specifically, his defense is. I like that Pop is playing him at the four more, but he's doing it in a reactionary way. He needs to be proactive in playing Kyle there and forcing teams to adjust to it.

Just needs to shoot as well as Leonard from the 3 and he'll be a tough cover.

[FaM0us Skins]

Kyle did very well. I just hope he doesn't get a big head.

Yesterday was one of the best games of his career. :lmao

[TheDoctor]

Yesterday was one of the best games of his career. :lmao

Love your avatar :toast
Very clever.

[steeledl]

Looked really good in 2nd quarter..... Stopped watching after that.

hope he continues to improve and prove me wrong

[cd021]

Caught the game this morning, he was excellent. Like what i saw from him running point. Made some smart plays and benifited from having smart players around him (especially Diaw and West). He was really aggressive and already has a post game. Diificult to block or challenge his shot because of the high release, too. This is a cliche but Ginobili missing sometime is given minutes to younger players could help us going forward. I think K.A could be useful in the postseason, particularly against the Warriors size.

Defensively, i though he was solid. His length and ablitly to play the passing lane and deflect passes could make him atleast a passible defender going forward.

[Raven]

Anderson should have gone top 3 tbh

[daslicer]

The more minutes he gets the more confident he will play. The biggest knock I have had on Kyle the last 2 years is that he doesn't know when to assert himself. He's been getting better at that the last few games.

[BatManu20]

Anderson should have gone top 3 tbh

#1 overall imo.

[SAGirl]

Btb, Kyle is the actual secret weapon for the Spurs. More specifically, his defense is. I like that Pop is playing him at the four more, but he's doing it in a reactionary way. He needs to be proactive in playing Kyle there and forcing teams to adjust to it.

He disrupts players more than his steal count show, because he knocks a lot of balls loose that may not show as a steal for him but for someone else, and even if Spurs don't get possession of the ball it disrupts the other team and forces them to reset. All of that without much gambling and leaving his man uncovered. Less and less are we seeing teams actively wanting to go at him like he's some sieve bc he's not. Rudy Gay didn't even want to dribble in his vicinity and he got picked cleanly but they called a reach in foul. Last game against SAC I also remember Kyle with some nice defense on Gay. He is also smart on his defense not falling for fakes, something that still kills Simmons.

I also like that Pop has emboldened him to take charge of the bench a little more now that Kawhi is back and Kyle is not starting games. He's more aggressive, shows leadership and guys advance the ball to him looking for a play bc Kyle will give it back or find someone. The bench is looking the best it has looked since Manu and I am aware that we need Manu back but the RR is when the team emerges with an identity and KA is making a case for himself. How will Pop fit him in is yet to be seen. Like anyone Kyle needs his rhythm too. We have seen he's only gained it when Pop played him more minutes so guys learned to play with him and he became more confident.

How versatile is he that he has given minutes for Tim, Manu and Kawhi and we have kept on winning??? Sure there was going to be a decline in the team without them out at different points but what he's doing is remarkable for a young guy who barely played last season and looked hesitant early. He's getting better and better.

[Raven]

#1 overall imo.
I suppose #4 or #5, after Wiggins, Parker, Hood and Peyton. The rest has been garbage so far.

[Maddog]

Kyle did very well. I just hope he doesn't get a big head.

Just imagine Kyle Anderson Bobble Head Night!

[SAGirl]

Anderson should have gone top 3 tbh
I think teams will regret not taking him. He was top 3 in the nation coming out of HS and was UCLA best player. He was player of the month and week in the dleague, got that team (after most of their best players got NBA contracts) o the semifinals, won SL, SL MVP. He was a leader in all these teams, etc. The list goes on. He's a winner. His lack of burst fooled everyone and in the Spurs he will only get better bc Pop will push him.

[DJR210]

I've been hating on Kyle since the jump, but credit where credit is due.. Dude is playing much better over the last few weeks :tu Excited to see him continue to grow and get more confident.

[ceperez]

He disrupts players more than his steal count show, because he knocks a lot of balls loose that may not show as a steal for him but for someone else, and even if Spurs don't get possession of the ball it disrupts the other team and forces them to reset. All of that without much gambling and leaving his man uncovered. Less and less are we seeing teams actively wanting to go at him like he's some sieve bc he's not. Rudy Gay didn't even want to dribble in his vicinity and he got picked cleanly but they called a reach in foul. Last game against SAC I also remember Kyle with some nice defense on Gay. He is also smart on his defense not falling for fakes, something that still kills Simmons.

I also like that Pop has emboldened him to take charge of the bench a little more now that Kawhi is back and Kyle is not starting games. He's more aggressive, shows leadership and guys advance the ball to him looking for a play bc Kyle will give it back or find someone. The bench is looking the best it has looked since Manu and I am aware that we need Manu back but the RR is when the team emerges with an identity and KA is making a case for himself. How will Pop fit him in is yet to be seen. Like anyone Kyle needs his rhythm too. We have seen he's only gained it when Pop played him more minutes so guys learned to play with him and he became more confident.

How versatile is he that he has given minutes for Tim, Manu and Kawhi and we have kept on winning??? Sure there was going to be a decline in the team without them out at different points but what he's doing is remarkable for a young guy who barely played last season and looked hesitant early. He's getting better and better.

The highlights show how well he's playing with Boris Diaw, they are both spacing the floor correctly and passing the ball to each other effective. This can be a very deadly two man game.

[Budkin]

Dat head doe

[ceperez]

I think teams will regret not taking him. He was top 3 in the nation coming out of HS and was UCLA best player. He was player of the month and week in the dleague, got that team (after most of their best players got NBA contracts) o the semifinals, won SL, SL MVP. He was a leader in all these teams, etc. The list goes on. He's a winner. His lack of burst fooled everyone and in the Spurs he will only get better bc Pop will push him.

I don't think most teams have a system were a guy like him can develop.

[Darkwaters]

Just needs to shoot as well as Leonard from the 3 and he'll be a tough cover.

So all he needs to do now is become a league leading shooter from 3....sure, why not? Should be simple enough.

[Mnky]

So all he needs to do now is become a league leading shooter from 3....sure, why not? Should be simple enough.

He had a better shot than Kawhi coming out tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Burn this summbitch down. Too bad he can't play Belinelli each night...

[TrainOfThought5]

I've been hating on Kyle since the jump, but credit where credit is due.. Dude is playing much better over the last few weeks :tu Excited to see him continue to grow and get more confident.

Your sins are forgiven, my son.

[ceperez]

He had a better shot than Kawhi coming out tbh.

Exactly. Spurs (more like Chip Engleland) are one of the best at developing players 3 point shots.

Honestly, no body can explain Leonard's league leading 3 point percentage. People with hands that big and arms that long aren't supposed to shoot that well.

BTW, interesting development.... Green was subbed for Anderson in crunch time. Anderson at the 2 orchestrating offense with Mills playing off the ball. You really want the taller player handling the ball since they've got a better view.

[cutewizard]

Just love Kyle

POINT FORWARD OF THE SPURS

[littlecoyotecoin]

So all he needs to do now is become a league leading shooter from 3....sure, why not? Should be simple enough.

Leonard shat the bed shooting from 3, previous to coming to the Spurs. There is no reason to assume KA can't make significant gains there, as well. I realize that it is en vogue to make fun of CE, but your sarcasitic premise is wrong/unwarranted. Now would be a good time to claim it was serious.

[ceperez]

What people don't seem to realize that Kyle Anderson has a 7' 2.75" wingspan and that's just 1/4 of an inch less than Kawhi Leonard.

You really don't want to be taking risks dribbling the ball when he's the defender, just ask Kobe and Gay.

[K...]

We know who didn't have the zika virus......


great game so far.

[SAGirl]

Exactly. Spurs (more like Chip Engleland) are one of the best at developing players 3 point shots.

Honestly, no body can explain Leonard's league leading 3 point percentage. People with hands that big and arms that long aren't supposed to shoot that well.

BTW, interesting development.... Green was subbed for Anderson in crunch time. Anderson at the 2 orchestrating offense with Mills playing off the ball. You really want the taller player handling the ball since they've got a better view.
It seemed like Pop was fastracking Kyle's playmaking this game. He's had good moments in the RR, so the potential is there and he's so young in NBA terms, but he also had bad sequences. It will happen.

I think Pop has encouraged his leadership too bc he's vocal and will get the ball to Kawhi or LMA. He just got disorganized in the second half and it didn't help that the second unit was thrown out of whack and Kyle played 3 different positions in the course of a game.

Still it's really interesting yo see his development. We haven't really had young prospects this unique since Kawhi and Kawhi is still getting better.

[sasaint]

Exactly. Spurs (more like Chip Engleland) are one of the best at developing players 3 point shots.

Honestly, no body can explain Leonard's league leading 3 point percentage. People with hands that big and arms that long aren't supposed to shoot that well.

BTW, interesting development.... Green was subbed for Anderson in crunch time. Anderson at the 2 orchestrating offense with Mills playing off the ball. You really want the taller player handling the ball since they've got a better view.

:toast Yep, good catch. I tivoed it. Both Patty and Kyle get to do what comes naturally. I like it?

[sasaint]

It seemed like Pop was fastracking Kyle's playmaking this game. He's had good moments in the RR, so the potential is there and he's so young in NBA terms, but he also had bad sequences. It will happen.

I think Pop has encouraged his leadership too bc he's vocal and will get the ball to Kawhi or LMA. He just got disorganized in the second half and it didn't help that the second unit was thrown out of whack and Kyle played 3 different positions in the course of a game.

Still it's really interesting yo see his development. We haven't really had young prospects this unique since Kawhi and Kawhi is still getting better.

You are also right about the sequence when he failed in his attempt to post up Ariza and ultimately got his shot smacked back at him. Think about it: I bet he hasn't had that happen very many times in his young life! Really got him off balance for awhile. But he is resilient. He is going to be very good - possibly even Next Big Three good if you go for that kind of thing. (Despite my borrowing the term, I really don't - honest.) :toast

[TrainOfThought5]

It seemed like Pop was fastracking Kyle's playmaking this game. He's had good moments in the RR, so the potential is there and he's so young in NBA terms, but he also had bad sequences. It will happen.

I think Pop has encouraged his leadership too bc he's vocal and will get the ball to Kawhi or LMA. He just got disorganized in the second half and it didn't help that the second unit was thrown out of whack and Kyle played 3 different positions in the course of a game.

Still it's really interesting yo see his development. We haven't really had young prospects this unique since Kawhi and Kawhi is still getting better.

I dont know if I like KA better at the 1, the 3, or the 4. and I think its a great thing. I wonder how much quicker and stronger he can get.. hes definitely gonna be a star, just not sure if he'll have his number in the rafters with Kawhi when they retire.

[SPURt]

I dont know if I like KA better at the 1, the 3, or the 4. and I think its a great thing. I wonder how much quicker and stronger he can get.. hes definitely gonna be a star, just not sure if he'll have his number in the rafters with Kawhi when they retire.
To get to the rafters he would need to be the 4th best starter on a championship team.

[G-Dawgg]

What a nice player Kyle Anderson is turning out to be in only his 2nd year in the league. I can't wait to see the player he becomes in 2 more years.

[DrSteffo]

He is kind of ok I guess. Better than James Anderson but not a starter on a good team...as can be expected.

[Namundy]

His skill set is so intriguing. I believe he's an integral part of the post-Duncan and Ginobili core.

[SAGirl]

Tony Parker on Kyle:
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[SAGirl]

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[Chinook]

He deserves to prove he doesn't belong in the playoff rotation. All four of the likeliest match-ups for the team play small a lot of the time except Utah. That should open up some minutes for Anderson in addition to wing minutes.

[spursistan]

705607408505065473

Kyle is true Spurs material.Happy for his teammates :cry..

[dabom]

705607408505065473

Kyle is true Spurs material.Happy for his teammates :cry..
digs at porker :lmao

[TheMulletMan3000]

His skill set is so intriguing. I believe he's an integral part of the post-Duncan and Ginobili core.

Agree

[exstatic]

LOL, OKC, picking #29 in that draft. LOL, Josh Huestis.

[SAGirl]

I have to start a lob collection of alley oops Kyle has thrown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxbrUd51MR4

Who can forget a classic in a championship game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSHToRyiXs

too bad I could not find the lob to Kawhi in transition. It wasn't the most spectacular play since it didnt end in a dunk bc Kawhi laid it in, but it was a more difficult play bc both guys were running, and there were defenders in the way. Maybe in some Kawhi highlights the play will show up.

[SAGirl]

He deserves to prove he doesn't belong in the playoff rotation. All four of the likeliest match-ups for the team play small a lot of the time except Utah. That should open up some minutes for Anderson in addition to wing minutes.
Chinook, I don't know if you watched the Pellies game but I totally saw some of your strategy that you talked about how to guard GSW with Kyle/Diaw.

Did you see Kyle guarding Ryan Anderson, but Diaw on Cunningham?

A lot of switching too.

Kyle had some major lapses by the way, fell down apparently skidding on the floor, and left Ryan open for a 3. . . :depressedbut it was the one instance. He was solid most of the game aside from like a 1 minute stretch. I am sure those lapses Pop will chew him out for.

But I definitely saw your strategy being played out for a few minutes.

[Chinook]

Chinook, I don't know if you watched the Pellies game but I totally saw some of your strategy that you talked about how to guard GSW with Kyle/Diaw.

Did you see Kyle guarding Ryan Anderson, but Diaw on Cunningham?

A lot of switching too.

Kyle had some major lapses by the way, fell down apparently skidding on the floor, and left Ryan open for a 3. . . :depressedbut it was the one instance. He was solid most of the game aside from like a 1 minute stretch. I am sure those lapses Pop will chew him out for.

But I definitely saw your strategy being played out for a few minutes.

The Spurs are still reeling from missing Splitter, as a healthy Tiago was the best defender on the team (and that's saying something). Anderson is probably going to get looks as the mobile-four defender from here on out. I don't hate the idea of him on Draymond, but I'm not sure the whistle will be for him. If you start him and LMA (or swap Duncan out early, it would definitely be a strategy against GS. People are too willing to concede small-ball to the Warriors -- the Spurs are probably more versatile going small than GS is.

[r0drig0lac]

the Spurs are probably more versatile going small than GS is.

agree

[apalisoc_9]

digs at porker :lmao

:lmao

[JeffDuncan]

The Spurs are still reeling from missing Splitter, as a healthy Tiago was the best defender on the team (and that's saying something). ...

Yeah, that's saying something. It's saying something that's fruitcake loopy. I have no idea where the Tiago mythology came from, but there's some posters around here who have either never seen a Spurs game or who don't have a brain cell in their heads. The best Splitter ever was for the Spurs was "okay," now and then, when he was healthy, which wasn't often. Day-to-day, Matt Bonner played better defense than Splitter.

Kyle Anderson is ALREADY playing better defense than Splitter ever did in his whole career with the Spurs..

[Chinook]

Yeah, that's saying something. It's saying something that's fruitcake loopy. I have no idea where the Tiago mythology came from, but there's some posters around here who have either never seen a Spurs game or who don't have a brain cell in their heads. The best Splitter ever was for the Spurs was "okay," now and then, when he was healthy, which wasn't often. Day-to-day, Matt Bonner played better defense than Splitter.

Kyle Anderson is ALREADY playing better defense than Splitter ever did in his whole career with the Spurs..

:lmao

[monkeypunk]

Yeah, that's saying something. It's saying something that's fruitcake loopy. I have no idea where the Tiago mythology came from, but there's some posters around here who have either never seen a Spurs game or who don't have a brain cell in their heads. The best Splitter ever was for the Spurs was "okay," now and then, when he was healthy, which wasn't often. Day-to-day, Matt Bonner played better defense than Splitter.

Kyle Anderson is ALREADY playing better defense than Splitter ever did in his whole career with the Spurs..

Sorry but this is a piss poor take. When healthy, splits was a monster post and pnr defender. More mobile than Duncan and could guard nearly out to the perimeter.

[SAGirl]

The Spurs are still reeling from missing Splitter, as a healthy Tiago was the best defender on the team (and that's saying something). Anderson is probably going to get looks as the mobile-four defender from here on out. I don't hate the idea of him on Draymond, but I'm not sure the whistle will be for him. If you start him and LMA (or swap Duncan out early, it would definitely be a strategy against GS. People are too willing to concede small-ball to the Warriors -- the Spurs are probably more versatile going small than GS is.
I am his fan and the thought of it scares me too, but apparently the thought of Diaw scares Pop more. I don't know why others are not more alarmed at Diaw's current state of play than Tony and Danny having a so so game. We are used to seeing Diaw turn it on when it matters, so maybe no one cares yet, but I am seeing Kyle do more and Diaw less. Even Rasual is doing more. Rasual' is more versatile defensively, but he doesn't create offense for the team like Diaw does. And Kyle might as well be considered a rookie for Pop. He didn't get these opportunities last season and even this season he had to divide playing time with Simmons.

The way it's looking for me so far (well see how it shakes up the rest of the regular season), either Pop is testing Anderson giving him the exposure, so hopefully he builds some credibility like HH37 said, or he's developing him, bc Diaw is not the x factor guy. That is scary for me and I am Kyle's fan. I kind of feel like if we need 22 yr old Kyle in a big role to get past the Dubs we are in trouble anyways. But I really don't know what the heck is up with Diaw.

[DrSteffo]

Yeah, that's saying something. It's saying something that's fruitcake loopy. I have no idea where the Tiago mythology came from, but there's some posters around here who have either never seen a Spurs game or who don't have a brain cell in their heads. The best Splitter ever was for the Spurs was "okay," now and then, when he was healthy, which wasn't often. Day-to-day, Matt Bonner played better defense than Splitter.

Kyle Anderson is ALREADY playing better defense than Splitter ever did in his whole career with the Spurs..

I do hope you are trolling the Kyle Anderson fans here. If not it's the worst post ever.

[Darkwaters]

Leonard shat the bed shooting from 3, previous to coming to the Spurs. There is no reason to assume KA can't make significant gains there, as well. I realize that it is en vogue to make fun of CE, but your sarcasitic premise is wrong/unwarranted. Now would be a good time to claim it was serious.

I was kidding. But it's pretty plain that Leonard is not the rule, but the exception. And thats on many different fronts.

I mean, think about it, Kawhi went from a par to sub-par 3 point shooter to leading the National Basketball Association. That's totally nuts. Do you think Anderson will do that? I'd say it is highly unlikely. But if he can make huge strides in that department it might be just as good.

[SAGirl]

I was kidding. But it's pretty plain that Leonard is not the rule, but the exception. And thats on many different fronts.

I mean, think about it, Kawhi went from a par to sub-par 3 point shooter to leading the National Basketball Association. That's totally nuts. Do you think Anderson will do that? I'd say it is highly unlikely. But if he can make huge strides in that department it might be just as good.
I am not expecting him to make huge strides on the 3, because he's already had a year to work with Chip. But his shot was very slow and very different in college and I think the changes he had to make were much more significant than Kawhi's.

And I also think he has a little bit of Diaw in his game, in the sense that he's not going to develop a shooter's mentality and will probably would rather do other things.

But I will say this, he has a nice midrange shot, even extending out to long two territory, and he makes those shots off the dribble. He just has to expand his range further, and its probably something he can achieve eventually, but it may take a long time, like it did Tony's.

We have to probably recognize value in everything else in his game, to where the 3 pt shot is just there to provide a threat like Diaw's.

I mean, if he comes next season knocking down the 3 with confidence I will be surprised.

[Darkwaters]

I am not expecting him to make huge strides on the 3, because he's already had a year to work with Chip. But his shot was very slow and very different in college and I think the changes he had to make were much more significant than Kawhi's.

And I also think he has a little bit of Diaw in his game, in the sense that he's not going to develop a shooter's mentality and will probably would rather do other things.

But I will say this, he has a nice midrange shot, even extending out to long two territory, and he makes those shots off the dribble. He just has to expand his range further, and its probably something he can achieve eventually, but it may take a long time, like it did Tony's.

We have to probably recognize value in everything else in his game, to where the 3 pt shot is just there to provide a threat like Diaw's.

I mean, if he comes next season knocking down the 3 with confidence I will be surprised.

That's kind of my point.

[skulls138]

KAs like Diaw but Diaw doesnt have to have a three pointer because of his size and position. Keep practicing KA.

[Spurtacular]

Kyle Anderson's buzzer beating shot giving the Spurs momentum heading into the fourth versus The Thunder. Pivotal play.

[Atl Spur]

I really wish this young guy choose to follow the example Kawhi has set vs the glamour and glitz of these fake NBA STARS....... He has the tools to really dominate but he must work on his craft and for pete's sake play with fire!! It's almost like he is just happy to be out here on the court with his idols

[vander]

Kyle Anderson's buzzer beating shot giving the Spurs momentum heading into the fourth versus The Thunder. Pivotal play.

Kyle Anderson being useless in the corner even when Kanter had switched onto him cost the Spurs more than 2 points, the guy just won't shoot it no mater where the defender is. pump fake, drive, pass to someone with a lesser shot, every time.

[SAGirl]

Kyle Anderson's buzzer beating shot giving the Spurs momentum heading into the fourth versus The Thunder. Pivotal play.
:tu came up with some loose balls and rebounds too. His rebounding and defense was notable allowing that run to end the 3rd and start the 4th.

[ceperez]

Pounding the Rock piece on KA:


http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/3/16/11210878/kyle-anderson-development-steady-slow-mo

[SAGirl]

Pounding the Rock piece on KA:


http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/3/16/11210878/kyle-anderson-development-steady-slow-mo
Thanks for sharing this. His shooting chart is incredible in terms of improvement and I think next season well see him comfortable from 3.

In this video they ask Manu about him and he said "he is going to be a great player" at least twice. Needs to work on his body (I imagine getting stronger) but he's dangerous from the midrange has good size, talent and good hands that allow, him to handle the basketball and do several things well. I think they are all really excited with the way he's been playing and the minutes he's giving at the 4.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ezCnyJlSN5Q&feature=youtu.be&t=1m20s

Recently in a pregame interview Pop also said that Kyle works really hard and wants to be a good player and that he thinks in time he's going to be a terrific player.

[szkorhetz]

Is it just me, or KA is always taking the buzzer beaters, and last shots, when he is on the court? Happened vs Cavs, vs OKC and now the clipps.
The guy seems to be clutch.

[Spurtacular]

Kyle Anderson with his second pivotal third quarter buzzer beater in a row. This time against the Clips to give the Spurs the lead. What an odd fact.

[sasaint]

Pounding the Rock piece on KA:


http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/3/16/11210878/kyle-anderson-development-steady-slow-mo

Of course I like the article because it expresses my own opinion about Kyle. Thanks for providing the link.

I love those year-over-year shot charts, but the micro-sample size from last season made me wish that the author had also included the Austin shot chart from last season, even though it was against D-league competition.

[DenialTwist]

Mike Smith and Ralph Lawler said some nice things about SloMo, basically a 22 year old Diaw in the making. And now other announcers are referring to his nickname.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Kyle Anderson is ALREADY playing better defense than Splitter ever did in his whole career with the Spurs..

No offense, but dude, that has to be one of the worse takes EVER.

[Dre_7]

No offense, but dude, that has to be one of the worse takes EVER.

He may not be Splitter on D, but he has been playing great defense this year.

[cd021]

No offense, but dude, that has to be one of the worse takes EVER.

Yeah, when healthy Splitter was an elite defender. Anderson looks decent. His length allows him to play the passing lanes and contest shots. He seems like he does a better job playing off the ball. He's also a good defensive rebounder. He's second behind Leonard excluding non-bigmen in per 36 DRPG

[cd021]

Mike Smith and Ralph Lawler said some nice things about SloMo, basically a 22 year old Diaw in the making. And now other announcers are referring to his nickname.

I haven't been able to watch every game this season but the @ Kings game last month, Pop had him running point like Hedo in Orlando did. Not sure if that'll be his role post Manu or will he be a secondary playmaker like Diaw.

He already has a post game and is probably as good of a rebounder as Diaw has ever been. Pretty good midrange shooter but a non factor from 3. Alot to like overall.

[Harry Callahan]

I dig the fact that almost every team in the NBA passed on Kyle Anderson and he is already proving to be an asset to an excellent Spurs team. He is not getting very many DNPs (if any) in the second half of the season.

He is a good player who can be a key role player for a very good team. That is a win when you are drafted 30th......

[ceperez]

Is it just me, or KA is always taking the buzzer beaters, and last shots, when he is on the court? Happened vs Cavs, vs OKC and now the clipps.
The guy seems to be clutch.

No, he apparently is given the green light to take the last shot in the even the shot clock is running down. He's one of the better Spurs players that can score with a man covering him.

[SAGirl]

Honestly I will be bold, the comparison to Diaw does not do him justice. He's 22 yrs old, Diaw is a veteran. Kyle already rebounds better, is better on defense, specially perimeter defense for a guy his size and the way the league is trending, you need guys like that, and I think Kyle will be a better scorer in his prime than Diaw was.

We have to remember this is a guy who would still be a senior in college who's earned his playing time in perhaps the deepest team in recent memory.

Diaw was much more athletic in his youth and with a lot more potential but he didn't realize all of it bc he tended to chill out and be passive, and didn't get to Pop until he was 30.

Although KA had the same passive tendencies he's been coached by the same staff that turned Kawhi into a beast and he's been pushed to be aggressive from an early development stage. He's not even yet playing with the freedom he will eventually be able to play when he's entering his prime like Kawhi is. He's still playing like a roleplayer within a system where he's the last option. When he plays garbage time is when we see the kind of plays and shots he's capable of that he's not allowed with the regular rotation.

I daresay KA is no Diaw, he is going to be better bc of the influence of Pop, coaching staff, HOF teammates, elite competition, etc will have on his development and he has talent to absorb and learn. He reminds us of Diaw now. There's no telling how much better he will be in a couple of years.

[SAGirl]

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Anderson has just finished up his sophomore campaign for the Spurs, and his improvements have been drastic. He has made progress in nearly every offensive category, and as the Spurs have heaped more responsibility on him, Anderson has responded with strong performances.
Anderson has the potential to blossom in the next few seasons. With both Diaw and David West approaching their shelf life in the league, the Spurs are looking for Anderson to become the primary front court player off the bench. His versatility can come in handy as a reserve for either Kawhi Leonard or LaMarcus Aldridge, given his ability to play either forward position.
Despite his lack of athleticism, his defensive metrics have looked impressive. His Defensive Box Plus/Minus increased from a solid 2.4 during his rookie season to 3.7 this season. On the best defensive team in the NBA, Anderson played a key role off the bench in maintaining that defensive tenacity. Only Tim Duncan had a higher Defensive Box Plus/Minus on the team than Anderson, meaning that he ranked ahead of defensive maestros Leonard, West, and Danny Green.
He ranked 7th on the team in Defensive Win Shares despite ranking only 11th on the team in minutes per game, proving his significant impact in limited minutes. His 7’3 wingspan allows him to effectively clog passing lanes and disrupt an opposing team’s offensive rhythm, as well as partially remedy his lack of quickness.
He may not have the strength to defend huge power forwards down on the block or have the natural agility to intimidate opposing wings looking to push the tempo against him, but he brings a unique dexterity to the game around him.
Anderson’s development as a shooter will be interesting to document. Assistant coach Chip Engelland did wonders by working with Leonard to improve his range, so there’s no reason to believe that Anderson can’t also enhance his shooting with perseverance and great tutelage. While Anderson’s assumed progression on both ends of the court is based largely on precedence from examples within the organization, he’s still shown enough individually to promote this optimism.
Anderson’s field goal percentage this season jumped about 12 points compared to his rookie season, and his 3-point field goal percentage jumped 5 points in that same time period. He shot 6-11 on right corner 3s this season, which may be an indication that he can develop more confidence in that shot to deploy it more often.
His midrange shooting in particular improved dramatically this past season. Curiously, his baseline midrange jumper has been poor throughout his NBA career as of now, but he’s making progress near the top of the key.
In fact, when isolating his midrange shots excluding the two baseline areas, Anderson had a very good year shooting the ball from that general distance. He shot 38 for 80 from either the top of the key or the areas around the elbow inside the 3-point line but not in the key.
When he stays out from the baseline, he’s become an above average shooter. His range hasn’t extended reliably beyond 20 feet yet, but given proper time and coaching it may continue to expand.
Anderson brings very idiosyncratic skills as a facilitating forward who can run an offense. He’ll be looked upon to replace Diaw as the Spurs’ point forward off the bench in the near future, and the progression that Anderson has made during his short time in the league speaks highly about the player he’ll continue to evolve into.


We have to keep in mind this dude is just 22 years old. I doubt very much he's included in any trade package deals because he probably is not worth as much to anyone else as he is to the Spurs at this point. He thrives in our defensive system, if you leave him out on an island, he won't do well, but in our system he's basically a defensive star. So much for all those who continue to claim for an athletic wing blah blah... athletic is J.Simms and he's not on Anderson's level as a defender.

He has also improved his shooting this season and there is hope his shooting will continue to extend in range. He's not yet where we need him to be but he has improved from season 1 to 2.
His versatility is also of a lot of usefulness to us. Outside of Kawhi we don't have another player like him in terms of how versatile they are and the ways they can potentially be played in our system.

His point forward skills need a coach and system that values that kind of skill in the way a point forward like Diaw once unlocked possibilities for others that were not there without his versatile scoring and passing.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Given enough minutes I can see him as a candidate for MIP next season. Im hoping he averages 20-25 minutes next season. :toast

[playbonner15]

Gotta make him the next Durant and put him at the 4 :lobt:

[TheGreatYacht]

Close this thread, mods. Burn it, burn it to the ground.

[dabom]

Kyle improved from a POS no minute player to a POS cancer with playoff minutes. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle improved from a POS no minute player to a POS cancer with playoff minutes. :lmao
Parker was the one man fast break

Kyle is the one man opponent run

[J_Paco]

Please, just burn this cathedral down already.

Anyway, unless Kyle moves over to the 4 position then I believe his time in the NBA will be short lived. The guy is too fucking slow, unathletic and offensively inept to survive as even a back up small forward.

He was utterly pathetic at times against Oklahoma City literally letting loose balls bounce to the opponent due to a lack of hustle. He needs to learn to be more assertive and determined on the court or he's fucked. Can't survive being that slow and have no motor or sense of urgency.

Needs to work on all facets of his offensive game, really. Posting up, corner three's and making the occasional mid-range pull-up. Getting abused by Randy Foye and Dione Waiters on one end, while unable to exploit either on offense is unacceptable for any SF.

[tholdren]

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We have to keep in mind this dude is just 22 years old. I doubt very much he's included in any trade package deals because he probably is not worth as much to anyone else as he is to the Spurs at this point. He thrives in our defensive system, if you leave him out on an island, he won't do well, but in our system he's basically a defensive star. So much for all those who continue to claim for an athletic wing blah blah... athletic is J.Simms and he's not on Anderson's level as a defender.

He has also improved his shooting this season and there is hope his shooting will continue to extend in range. He's not yet where we need him to be but he has improved from season 1 to 2.
His versatility is also of a lot of usefulness to us. Outside of Kawhi we don't have another player like him in terms of how versatile they are and the ways they can potentially be played in our system.

His point forward skills need a coach and system that values that kind of skill in the way a point forward like Diaw once unlocked possibilities for others that were not there without his versatile scoring and passing.

Your posts suck and so does anderson. Sorry no one else will tell you this.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

So much hate for Kyle, but I think he's developing well. For his pricetag he's a fine 9-10th guy.

It's hilarious that so many morons around here seem to judge him against some absurd standard they have in their heads. What did you expect of him? He's a 29th pick. The fact that he's a half decent rotation player speaks to the strength of the Spurs' development coaches, and Kyle's commitment to improving.

He'll never be fast, but he is smart and getting smarter. If he can become a more reliable 3pt shooter he could be a real asset off the bench.

[TheGreatYacht]

So much hate for Kyle, but I think he's developing well. For his pricetag he's a fine 9-10th guy.

It's hilarious that so many morons around here seem to judge him against some absurd standard they have in their heads. What did you expect of him? He's a 29th pick. The fact that he's a half decent rotation player speaks to the strength of the Spurs' development coaches, and Kyle's commitment to improving.

He'll never be fast, but he is smart and getting smarter. If he can become a more reliable 3pt shooter he could be a real asset off the bench.
How is he improving? His shot still sucks and he bails out smaller guards in the post with 15 foot bricks. He doesn't hustle after 50/50 boards and he gets torched far too often on defense. Look at his body, he's lazy.

What do I expect of him? To get zero playoff minutes. That's how it normally works, if you suck, you don't see the court. Pop treats him like his second son though and he'll be this generation's Bonner. Pop's contract ends in 2020 and so will Kyle's tbh. He'll be out of the league soon after

[SAGirl]

^^ haters will hate TBH. Can't be surprised about it when they hate on Kawhi, LMA, Danny, the big 3 at times you name it. So to read some trolls hate on a young roleplayer, what can we expect?
He's been fine for his role and as a fan we should just hope our youngest roleplayers improve, bc for certain the oldest roleplayers are getting worse every season.

Only two ways we improve from now on, FA and our youngest roleplayers getting better.

[TheGreatYacht]

^^^ Kyle fans. They'll hate on every role player that's in position to take fat head's minutes. Also wants the Big 3 to retire so this can be Kawhi's and KYLE's (LOL.) team smh

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

How is he improving? His shot still sucks and he bails out smaller guards in the post with 15 foot bricks. He doesn't hustle after 50/50 boards and he gets torched far too often on defense. Look at his body, he's lazy.

What do I expect of him? To get zero playoff minutes. That's how it normally works, if you suck, you don't see the court. Pop treats him like his second son though and he'll be this generation's Bonner. Pop's contract ends in 2020 and so will Kyle's tbh. He'll be out of the league soon after

He's a minimum salary guy. You're behaving like he was a top 5 pick!

His shot isn't where we need it but it's better than his rookie season. He was super-skinny and has clearly put on about 7 or 8 kgs.

He has a long way to go (needs to develop a strong post move and a counter, improve his shooting, keep getting bigger, etc), but he's smart, doesn't turn it over, makes good passes and clever cuts, and he's fine as 9-10th guy. I don't expect any more from a 21yo 29th pick who just finished his second season.

[SAGirl]

He's a minimum salary guy. You're behaving like he was a top 5 pick!

His shot isn't where we need it but it's better than his rookie season. He was super-skinny and has clearly put on about 7 or 8 kgs.

He has a long way to go (needs to develop a strong post move and a counter, improve his shooting, keep getting bigger, etc), but he's smart, doesn't turn it over, makes good passes and clever cuts, and he's fine as 9-10th guy. I don't expect any more from a 21yo 29th pick who just finished his second season.
That guys is a big hater. Can't really even argue with him. It's not worth the time.
Edit: to clarify the general hate troll is TGY, who Oz was replying to....

[jbspurs]

Anderson is good but, I hate it when he passes up open shots after very good ball rotation. It seems like he still don't know when to shoot or when to make an extra pass. It's either that or too slow that team catches up on defense when he gets the ball.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's a minimum salary guy. You're behaving like he was a top 5 pick!

His shot isn't where we need it but it's better than his rookie season. He was super-skinny and has clearly put on about 7 or 8 kgs.

He has a long way to go (needs to develop a strong post move and a counter, improve his shooting, keep getting bigger, etc), but he's smart, doesn't turn it over, makes good passes and clever cuts, and he's fine as 9-10th guy. I don't expect any more from a 21yo 29th pick who just finished his second season.
I don't care where they were drafted, if they're a cancer they shouldn't see playing time. How many times did we see the starters get us a lead early on against OKC, only to see the bench go down 10?

I disagree he's not as good a passer as Spurstalk seems to think he is. In the regular season Per-36, he averaged 3.6 assists and 1.7TOs. In the playoffs he averaged Per-36, 2.0 assists and 1.1TOs. He passes the ball because he's scared to take open jumpers, tbh. The way he plays is the exact opposite of the Beautiful Game... Instead of good-to-great, his over passing ends up turning an opportunity into great-to-good or good-to-contested

He'll be 23 next season, btw. That's old enough to judge if he's willing to improve, which so far, he hasn't.

[skulls138]

I think he has to bring the ball up the court to be effective. His passing is his greatest skill and hes not a good shooter. He should play small-power-point-forward.

[MaNu4Tres]

His lack of motor & athleticism limits his ceiling considerably. For the right deal, I'd part ways with Anderson while he still has value ( 2 years left on rookie deal).

I'd even trade him for an early 2nd round pick.

[GSH]

He's a minimum salary guy. You're behaving like he was a top 5 pick!

His shot isn't where we need it but it's better than his rookie season. He was super-skinny and has clearly put on about 7 or 8 kgs.

He has a long way to go (needs to develop a strong post move and a counter, improve his shooting, keep getting bigger, etc), but he's smart, doesn't turn it over, makes good passes and clever cuts, and he's fine as 9-10th guy. I don't expect any more from a 21yo 29th pick who just finished his second season.


That guys is a big hater. Can't really even argue with him. It's not worth the time.


You know, SAGirl, what Oz said isn't really hate. He really is young, he really was a 29 pick, and he really does need some work.

One of my favorite second-tier players of all time was Anthony Parker. He played 3 lackluster seasons in the NBA, then went to play for Maccabi for 5-6 years. He came back a 2,500 minute per season starter, and started every game alongside LeBron for a couple of seasons. There are a lot of similarities between him and Kyle - not fast, but solid and smart. Needed some time to develop, but turned into a guy you want on your team. Kyle could do a lot worse for himself.

Anthony Parker never could have gotten the minutes to improve, if he had stayed in the NBA. If Anderson went the same route, I really do think he would turn into a player that the Spurs would like to have back. Hopefully he will get the chance (and minutes) to improve while he's still with the Spurs. But it's tough for a player like that on a win-now roster. Anderson's defense and length are what might give him that opportunity. The best thing he could possibly do for himself is to work all summer with Chip, and to put on some muscle so he can root a little bit more inside. Defense, rebounding, and solid 3P shooting will keep him on the floor. His ball-handling, IMO, is a bonus that is useful in certain matchups. But if he focuses on that? Well, I think it would be better if he went the other way.

[skulls138]

Anderson is good but, I hate it when he passes up open shots after very good ball rotation. It seems like he still don't know when to shoot or when to make an extra pass. It's either that or too slow that team catches up on defense when he gets the ball.I couldnt agree more and during the OKC series he passed up an open LAYUP, never mind an open jumper, to make a pass that got stolen. But not taking the open jumper is just bad

[SAGirl]

Hi
You know, SAGirl, what Oz said isn't really hate. He really is young, he really was a 29 pick, and he really does need some work.

One of my favorite second-tier players of all time was Anthony Parker. He played 3 lackluster seasons in the NBA, then went to play for Maccabi for 5-6 years. He came back a 2,500 minute per season starter, and started every game alongside LeBron for a couple of seasons. There are a lot of similarities between him and Kyle - not fast, but solid and smart. Needed some time to develop, but turned into a guy you want on your team. Kyle could do a lot worse for himself.

Anthony Parker never could have gotten the minutes to improve, if he had stayed in the NBA. If Anderson went the same route, I really do think he would turn into a player that the Spurs would like to have back. Hopefully he will get the chance (and minutes) to improve while he's still with the Spurs. But it's tough for a player like that on a win-now roster. Anderson's defense and length are what might give him that opportunity. The best thing he could possibly do for himself is to work all summer with Chip, and to put on some muscle so he can root a little bit more inside. Defense, rebounding, and solid 3P shooting will keep him on the floor. His ball-handling, IMO, is a bonus that is useful in certain matchups. But if he focuses on that? Well, I think it would be better if he went the other way.
Sorry if I confused you or Oz... I was talking about TGY.... he hates on everybody but Tony it seems to me.

As for Kyle my favorite aspect of him is his passing anyways. We shall see with his development. He's added strength but he came into the league looking like he was a 16 yr old. I hope he improves his shooting bc we'll need him scoring more. But in a bench without Manu and Boris (bc one may and perhaps should retire, the other is probably let go) they will need his passing and leadership. Sometimes glue guys like that make lineups work and make a difference in your ball movement and finding scorers in good positions that's by far his best asset. We just haven't needed that bc the bench had more than enough of passing and actually not enough scoring but that will not always be the case, + we do need him shooting better.

[tholdren]

Hopefully Pop sticks with him in the rotation over Simmons, tbh..I expect him to continue giving each guy a shot, though, at least until February..

Another dumb idea

[TD 21]

His lack of motor & athleticism limits his ceiling considerably. For the right deal, I'd part ways with Anderson while he still has value ( 2 years left on rookie deal).

I'd even trade him for an early 2nd round pick.

:tu

[Kikoluna]

I think he has to bring the ball up the court to be effective. His passing is his greatest skill and hes not a good shooter. He should play small-power-point-forward.

At the park with the guys ok, not in the NBA

[DrSteffo]

He is a negative so I hope we get rid of him, Already cost us a lot tbh.

[tholdren]

Hi
Sorry if I confused you or Oz... I was talking about TGY.... he hates on everybody but Tony it seems to me.

As for Kyle my favorite aspect of him is his passing anyways. We shall see with his development. He's added strength but he came into the league looking like he was a 16 yr old. I hope he improves his shooting bc we'll need him scoring more. But in a bench without Manu and Boris (bc one may and perhaps should retire, the other is probably let go) they will need his passing and leadership. Sometimes glue guys like that make lineups work and make a difference in your ball movement and finding scorers in good positions that's by far his best asset. We just haven't needed that bc the bench had more than enough of passing and actually not enough scoring but that will not always be the case, + we do need him shooting better.
anderson sucks. thats a fact

[bklynspursfan]

His lack of motor & athleticism limits his ceiling considerably. For the right deal, I'd part ways with Anderson while he still has value ( 2 years left on rookie deal).

I'd even trade him for an early 2nd round pick.

My thoughts as well

[tholdren]

Trade Anderson and SA Girl for Dick Jefferson and CryHavoc

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Let's look at Kyle another way. Who would you rather have as a Spur for 900k? I think he has enough potential to give him another season or two at that price.

[tholdren]

Let's look at Kyle another way. Who would you rather have as a Spur for 900k? I think he has enough potential to give him another season or two at that price.
Id rather play Simmons.

[SAGirl]

Let's look at Kyle another way. Who would you rather have as a Spur for 900k? I think he has enough potential to give him another season or two at that price.
Ppl here will trade him for a second round pick which is a guaranteed stash player they will never see. Meanwhile Kyle is 22 ans already in the rotation. It's pointless to ask questions to the bunch of trolls who hate on his church.:lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Id rather play Simmons.

Simmons got plenty of time this year and will next year too. He's gonna soak up a lot of Manu's minutes.

[tholdren]

Ppl here will trade him for a second round pick which is a guaranteed stash player they will never see. Meanwhile Kyle is 22 ans already in the rotation. It's pointless to ask questions to the bunch of trolls who hate on his church.:lol
KA is as feminine as they come. Doesn't matter who SA trades for as long as this lady goes away. How long have you been post-op?

[MaNu4Tres]

Let's look at Kyle another way. Who would you rather have as a Spur for 900k? I think he has enough potential to give him another season or two at that price.

And in two years when his contract is up, he will have no value. Sure he has value now at 900k, but that's when you sell if you can -- especially or only if you don't see the the ceiling being there.

[elemento]

I don't see the point to sell Kyle Anderson now, especially for a 2nd rounder. Makes absolutely no sense.

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't see the point to sell Kyle Anderson now, especially for a 2nd rounder. Makes absolutely no sense.
Because
1. Kyle sucks
2. there's plenty of steals in the second round nowadays, maybe we'll get a Paul Millsap, Marc Gasol, Deandre Jordan, Goran Dragic, Trevor Ariza, Isaiah Thomas, or Draymond Green....

[elemento]

Because
1. Kyle sucks
2. there's plenty of steals in the second round nowadays, maybe we'll get a Paul Millsap, Marc Gasol, Deandre Jordan, Goran Dragic, Trevor Ariza, Isaiah Thomas, or Draymond Green....

1 - that's your opinion. For the record, a lot of fellows trashed Cory Joseph during his first 3 seasons and now they wish SA still had him. Yeah, Kyle sucked in the playoffs but he was not alone and it was his first time logging minutes as a rotational player. It's not easy for a sophomore to get Pop's trust so early. You may not like him, but that's clearly not case of Pop and the rest of the FO.
2 - Actually there aren't. It's very hard for 2nd rounders to even stick in the league. For every 2nd round steal, there are probably 20-25 guys out of league in 1 or 2 years and some of them don't even touch a NBA court during their life.

I can respect your opinion about Kyle but it doesn't change the fact that it would be stupid to trade him for a 2nd round pick after 2 seasons.

[SAGirl]

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Michael Erler has disliked Anderson from day one but after evaluating his season, he meekly concludes he's best suited to be a starter in a team than a reserve, I would say because he's a nice glue guy and can play solid defense.

Take it for what it's worth. He'd just as soon want him traded but thinks he has no real trade value (wouldn't net us a rotation player), so it's better to keep him.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Anderson is Making a special guest appearance at Bar 8811 on Fredericksburg if anyone is interested

[SAGirl]

Anderson is Making a special guest appearance at Bar 8811 on Fredericksburg if anyone is interested
I know, saw a tweet about it, but i am in Dallas. :depressed

[dabom]

That's why no-one reads pounding the rock. They actually think KA should be a "starter on a very good team". :lmao

[Kikoluna]

I'd trade Kyle for a whataburger #1with cheese and a diet coke.

[Snaq O'Meal]

742789096200757249
Michael Erler has disliked Anderson from day one but after evaluating his season, he meekly concludes he's best suited to be a starter in a team than a reserve, I would say because he's a nice glue guy and can play solid defense.

Take it for what it's worth. He'd just as soon want him traded but thinks he has no real trade value (wouldn't net us a rotation player), so it's better to keep him.

That's actually a good article. Thanks for sharing.

[dabom]

I'd trade Kyle for a whataburger #1with cheese and a diet coke.

Mayo instead of mustard add jalapenos. No cheese.

[K...]

Mayo instead of mustard add jalapenos. No cheese.

What the fuck. Are you some type of anti Texan? You can't take mustard off the Whataburger. Then it's a generic Yankee burger. Boooo mayo

[dabom]

What the fuck. Are you some type of anti Texan? You can't take mustard off the Whataburger. Then it's a generic Yankee burger. Boooo mayo

My combo is too tasty. Get it next time.

[K...]

http://www.premierball.com/questions-answers-w-2012-kyle-anderson/

Hadn't seen this interview of young Kyle before

[SAGirl]

http://www.premierball.com/questions-answers-w-2012-kyle-anderson/

Hadn't seen this interview of young Kyle before
Surprised he said what got him going was a bit of trash talk from the opponent.:lol
Thanks for sharing. I hadn't seen that. That was in eleventh grade. Wow!

[SAGirl]

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-antonio-spurs/post/_/id/933/qa-with-spurs-forward-kyle-anderson

[Emperor]

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-antonio-spurs/post/_/id/933/qa-with-spurs-forward-kyle-anderson

I think it's good that he's been smart with his money and that he isn't much of a gambler, but there is alot to Vegas than just the strip. I hope he'll eventually get to see that :toast

[SAGirl]

I think it's good that he's been smart with his money and that he isn't much of a gambler, but there is alot to Vegas than just the strip. I hope he'll eventually get to see that :toast
lol Honestly when I saw that... I thought Kawhi and this dude will get along just fine. :lol

Here's another tweet to share, this one from Kyle's account:
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I think that is why he doesn't party.

[Emperor]

lol Honestly when I saw that... I thought Kawhi and this dude will get along just fine. :lol

Here's another tweet to share, this one from Kyle's account:
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I think that is why he doesn't party.

Well he is definitely in the right organization and surrounded by the right people. Glad to see he is putting in the work and striving to improve :bobo

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

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[HarlemHeat37]

Whether you like him or not, he's most likely the X-factor for the Spurs in 2016-17..

[Snaq O'Meal]

Always love to see a guy putting in the hard work instead of getting fat during the offseason.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

He's ready for the spotlight. He needs to get the most minutes from any of the bench players.

[Snaq O'Meal]

He's ready for the spotlight. He needs to get the most minutes from any of the bench players.

Got a feeling our fourteen million dollar man will get the most minutes off the bench.

[DJR210]

lol Honestly when I saw that... I thought Kawhi and this dude will get along just fine. :lol

Here's another tweet to share, this one from Kyle's account:
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I think that is why he doesn't party.

..meanwhile Danny Green posted pics on IG of him pouring champagne on 3 models tits in VIP

[sasaint]

Whether you like him or not, he's most likely the X-factor for the Spurs in 2016-17..

Imo, Dedmon is likely to be more of an X-factor than Kyle.

[G-Dawgg]

Get used to seeing Kyle Anderson. The irganization seems to be grooming him to be a long term part of the family

[Emperor]

Man if only he was a bit faster.

[r0drig0lac]

Man if only he was a bit faster.

he would be a monster

[szkorhetz]

he would be a monster
And a lottery pick, likely a top 6 one.

[jermaine]

..meanwhile Danny Green posted pics on IG of him pouring champagne on 3 models tits in VIP

Danny got his money, so he's screaming "MY NICCA WE MADE IT" "I'M ALL THE WAY UP" Lmmfao

[exstatic]

Got a feeling our fourteen million dollar man will get the most minutes off the bench.

A strange take. Manu played less than 20 minute per game last year, and is a year older.

[look_at_g_shred]

..meanwhile Danny Green posted pics on IG of him pouring champagne on 3 models tits in VIP
Nope. He's been traveling with his GF.

[skulls138]

Man if only he was a bit faster.Not fast but he is quick with his pick pocketing without fouling and passing.

[tonight...you]

My main complaint with Kyle was his hesitation to shoot open 3's last year and his slow jumper.
He definitely improve the speed of his shot and he was letting them fly to a good clip in the SL when he had the shot.

I really hope that translates and continues with the Big Boys.
He could end up being very useful for the team this year. The team doesn't really have anyone else to turn to right now.

[GSH]

The Church of Kyle Anderson

Has a few holes, under construction, needs some paint.
At least there's a foundation to build on.

https://www.arjen.eu/img/posts/2011/11/Christchurch-4292.jpg

[tonight...you]

The Church of Kyle Anderson

Has a few holes, under construction, needs some paint.
At least there's a foundation to build on.

https://www.arjen.eu/img/posts/2011/11/Christchurch-4292.jpg

:lol

My wife and I started watching a bunch of renovation shows as we're getting the moving itch.
Now I want to restore/renovate everything I see and move in.

Abandoned crack house? I see potential!

[Leetonidas]

One of the few Slowmo fans checking in. i think he's gonna be a big contributor off the bench for us in 2017

[SAGirl]

The Church of Kyle Anderson

Has a few holes, under construction, needs some paint.
At least there's a foundation to build on.

https://www.arjen.eu/img/posts/2011/11/Christchurch-4292.jpg
:lmao
:flag:
I have to give it to you GSH!!!
This one made me burst out laughing.

[K...]

One of the few Slowmo fans checking in. i think he's gonna be a big contributor off the bench for us in 2017

slow mo haters are actually the minority, very very loud and insistent but not very many of them in the real world. Just like there aren't any parker haters in the real world just the ones on here.

[GSH]

slow mo haters are actually the minority, very very loud and insistent but not very many of them in the real world. Just like there aren't any parker haters in the real world just the ones on here.


The biggest problem with SpursTalk... THE single biggest problem, even bigger than the attention whores... is that anyone who has a negative assessment of a player is a "hater" by that player's krew.

Kyle was the last pick of the first round - 29 teams passed on him, but he's still a first-round pick. That makes for a mixed bag of expectations.

He went to one of the best teams in the league, for the past two decades or so, that is in the mix for a title almost every year. That also makes for expectation problems for a #30 draft pick, because players on this roster have to be better than average.

Kyle has some of the ball handling skills of a PG, but not enough to be a real PG. He has some of the physical attributes of a forward, but so far not enough to be a real forward. And yet he has fans who still somehow thing he's a Magic Johnson-esque point-forward.

Kyle earned himself the nickname "Slo-Mo" in college, for a reason, and it followed him to the pros for a reason. Yet a lot of the same people who talk about "today's NBA" and the need for fast, athletic players to play small ball, turn right around and act like KA's nickname really doesn't mean anything. Or that HIS lack of speed and athleticism somehow doesn't count.

Kyle has played pretty well, considering all that. But when people look at his performance in the context of winning another Championship, they're going to see some of the holes in his game. That doesn't make them "haters". It makes them Spurs fans. I'm trying really hard not to say, "Shove the 'hater' comments up your ass." I mean, someone should say it. But I'm not gonna do it.

[SAGirl]

The biggest problem with SpursTalk... THE single biggest problem, even bigger than the attention whores... is that anyone who has a negative assessment of a player is a "hater" by that player's krew.

Kyle was the last pick of the first round - 29 teams passed on him, but he's still a first-round pick. That makes for a mixed bag of expectations.

He went to one of the best teams in the league, for the past two decades or so, that is in the mix for a title almost every year. That also makes for expectation problems for a #30 draft pick, because players on this roster have to be better than average.

Kyle has some of the ball handling skills of a PG, but not enough to be a real PG. He has some of the physical attributes of a forward, but so far not enough to be a real forward. And yet he has fans who still somehow thing he's a Magic Johnson-esque point-forward.

Kyle earned himself the nickname "Slo-Mo" in college, for a reason, and it followed him to the pros for a reason. Yet a lot of the same people who talk about "today's NBA" and the need for fast, athletic players to play small ball, turn right around and act like KA's nickname really doesn't mean anything. Or that HIS lack of speed and athleticism somehow doesn't count.

Kyle has played pretty well, considering all that. But when people look at his performance in the context of winning another Championship, they're going to see some of the holes in his game. That doesn't make them "haters". It makes them Spurs fans. I'm trying really hard not to say, "Shove the 'hater' comments up your ass." I mean, someone should say it. But I'm not gonna do it.
Well it's fine if you are unconvinced or even if you dont like his game like Nono, but there is a breed of haters beyond your breed, you know the breed.

Also, you must know, there is no perfect player, even stars have imperfections. Look at Danny Green. Roleplayers get crucified specially when they are young around here and brought along in their own time. And there are plenty of athletes who just can't play ball. Kyle was 22 this season, still very young, could have been a college student, he consistently wins wherever Spurs send him and he played over 1200 minutes for a 67 win team, averaging about 20 minutes per game from January on, that includes the tougher part of the season and that was without shooting the 3 that much. If you don't see the positives you will be bitter all the time like all Danny haters who refuse to see his value bc he ain't dunking.

As I said you may not like him and that's fine but there are those who refuse to see anything positive in his game. If he couldn't play ball he would have been waived or his option not picked up, it's that simple.

[GSH]

As I said you may not like him and that's fine but there are those who refuse to see anything positive in his game.


You've accused Nono of being a KA hater more than a few times. I've said this before, I'll say it again. Even when I don't agree with Nono, I never doubt that he's damned knowledgeable, nor that he knows more about basketball than I do. For him to just blindly hate a player would mean he would have to just ignore his knowledge of the game, in favor of... what? Just ragging on a guy who's a member of the team he likes? I guarantee you, he's not someone who would do that. When I disagree with him, I always take a bit to re-consider my own position. There have been other people you've called "haters" whose opinions were debatable, but reasonable.

You're in a unique position. If Kyle steps his game up (significantly) this year, you get to say "I told you so" and rub a lot of people's noses in it - because you're all-in for the guy, and everyone knows it. We can talk until we're blue in the face, but none of it means anything until the season starts. I'll be the first to congratulate you. But I can give you fair warning. Nobody is going to let you see a mediocre performance by Kyle and interpret as an outstanding performance by parsing the stats. The way this roster is shaping up, it looks like the Spurs are really going to need him to take the next step. The results are going to speak a lot louder than any stats this time.

Personally, I think the need is greater than what Kyle is capable of at this point in his career. I would love it if he surprises me, because it will mean the Spurs are winning. We'll see in a few months.

[TD 21]

I've said this before, I'll say it again. Even when I don't agree with Nono, I never doubt that he's damned knowledgeable, nor that he knows more about basketball than I do.

:lol Little do you know, that this is akin to admitting that you don't know shit. Not that I didn't already know, from occasionally skimming a few lines of your miserable, insufferable diatribes over the years.

[ElNono]

You've accused Nono of being a KA hater more than a few times. I've said this before, I'll say it again. Even when I don't agree with Nono, I never doubt that he's damned knowledgeable, nor that he knows more about basketball than I do.


:lol Little do you know, that this is akin to admitting that you don't know shit. Not that I didn't already know, from occasionally skimming a few lines of your miserable, insufferable diatribes over the years.

Well, gee, thank guys both, for good or bad :lol

I don't hate Kyle, tbh, nor have given up on him. I do run a schtick with SAGirl, who's a good sport, I gotta admit, and sure, I do have a lot of question marks about him, but that's ok. It's my opinion, everybody is entitled to theirs. I don't hate the player though, I don't think that makes me a "hater". I do want him to do good.

I'll be happy for him when he becomes an All-Star and tell everybody here how wrong I was. It's not really a big deal (at least for me) at all.

[ElNono]

And sure, I'll be venting on game threads, and making excuses for Manu... but if you've been around here for the past 10 years, you know the drill and it's a heat of the moment thing... I like to comment about that stuff.

[TrainOfThought5]

Well, gee, thank guys both, for good or bad :lol

I don't hate Kyle, tbh, nor have given up on him. I do run a schtick with SAGirl, who's a good sport, I gotta admit, and sure, I do have a lot of question marks about him, but that's ok. It's my opinion, everybody is entitled to theirs. I don't hate the player though, I don't think that makes me a "hater". I do want him to do good.

I'll be happy for him when he becomes an All-Star and tell everybody here how wrong I was. It's not really a big deal (at least for me) at all.

You probably doubt Davis Larry Bird Bertans the same way you doubt Kyle Magic Johnson Anderson

[ElNono]

You probably doubt Davis Larry Bird Bertans the same way you doubt Kyle Magic Johnson Anderson

I have different bars for them this season. I will likely give Bertrans more of a pass for the simple fact that he just got here. Murray, for example, I have no expectations at all, because he's new and very young.

Guys that have been here a little longer, like Kyle and even Simmons, I do expect to see some progress in their games.

[skulls138]

The biggest problem with SpursTalk... THE single biggest problem, even bigger than the attention whores... is that anyone who has a negative assessment of a player is a "hater" by that player's krew.

Kyle was the last pick of the first round - 29 teams passed on him, but he's still a first-round pick. That makes for a mixed bag of expectations.

He went to one of the best teams in the league, for the past two decades or so, that is in the mix for a title almost every year. That also makes for expectation problems for a #30 draft pick, because players on this roster have to be better than average.

Kyle has some of the ball handling skills of a PG, but not enough to be a real PG. He has some of the physical attributes of a forward, but so far not enough to be a real forward. And yet he has fans who still somehow thing he's a Magic Johnson-esque point-forward.

Kyle earned himself the nickname "Slo-Mo" in college, for a reason, and it followed him to the pros for a reason. Yet a lot of the same people who talk about "today's NBA" and the need for fast, athletic players to play small ball, turn right around and act like KA's nickname really doesn't mean anything. Or that HIS lack of speed and athleticism somehow doesn't count.

Kyle has played pretty well, considering all that. But when people look at his performance in the context of winning another Championship, they're going to see some of the holes in his game. That doesn't make them "haters". It makes them Spurs fans. I'm trying really hard not to say, "Shove the 'hater' comments up your ass." I mean, someone should say it. But I'm not gonna do it.The nickname slo-mo is a term of endearment. If he wasnt so effective while looking like hes so slow, he probably wouldnt have the nickname.

But yeah he does have an unorthodox game and I hope they find a way to max out his set of skills while making it fit the team. Having said that KA needs to do his part and get a better shot and...oh I dont know...SHOOT IT!!!!

About haters, it gets attention...period.

[SAGirl]

You've accused Nono of being a KA hater more than a few times. I've said this before, I'll say it again. Even when I don't agree with Nono, I never doubt that he's damned knowledgeable, nor that he knows more about basketball than I do. For him to just blindly hate a player would mean he would have to just ignore his knowledge of the game, in favor of... what? Just ragging on a guy who's a member of the team he likes? I guarantee you, he's not someone who would do that. When I disagree with him, I always take a bit to re-consider my own position. There have been other people you've called "haters" whose opinions were debatable, but reasonable.

You're in a unique position. If Kyle steps his game up (significantly) this year, you get to say "I told you so" and rub a lot of people's noses in it - because you're all-in for the guy, and everyone knows it. We can talk until we're blue in the face, but none of it means anything until the season starts. I'll be the first to congratulate you. But I can give you fair warning. Nobody is going to let you see a mediocre performance by Kyle and interpret as an outstanding performance by parsing the stats. The way this roster is shaping up, it looks like the Spurs are really going to need him to take the next step. The results are going to speak a lot louder than any stats this time.

Personally, I think the need is greater than what Kyle is capable of at this point in his career. I would love it if he surprises me, because it will mean the Spurs are winning. We'll see in a few months.
Nono is always trolling Kyle. He's earned his reputation and works hard for it. Lol
Edit have to say I am not in the I told you so kind of shenanigans that males typically indulge. I couldn't care about that any less excel for a joke here or there. I want Kyle to do well bc the team needs him and I like his game, nit bc I told you so.:toast

[K...]

Oh mama, gsh might be the best troll of the if off season



The biggest problem with SpursTalk... THE single biggest problem, even bigger than the attention whores... is that anyone who has a negative assessment of a player is a "hater" by that player's krew.

the biggest problem is that we have a self selected pool of guys who fell strong enough about the team to post, most casuals don't care about Kyle.those that do post here.


Haters are people who bitch about Kyle for no reason.

Kyle was the last pick of the first round - 29 teams passed on him, but he's still a first-round pick. That makes for a mixed bag of expectations.
this is basically a tautology, lol


He went to one of the best teams in the league, for the past two decades or so, that is in the mix for a title almost every year. That also makes for expectation problems for a #30 draft pick, because players on this roster have to be better than average.

no, n San Antonio doesn't have greater talent. We have some good players, and a good team approach. By default having an NBA contact makes you a exceptional talent.. Again you have no point here

Kyle has some of the ball handling skills of a PG, but not enough to be a real PG. He has some of the physical attributes of a forward, but so far not enough to be a real forward. And yet he has fans who still somehow thing he's a Magic Johnson-esque point-forward.

straw man, mama build me a straw man......he's going to be the third big, the magic Johnson of bench bigs, got it?

Kyle earned himself the nickname "Slo-Mo" in college, for a reason, and it followed him to the pros for a reason. Yet a lot of the same people who talk about "today's NBA" and the need for fast, athletic players to play small ball, turn right around and act like KA's nickname really doesn't mean anything. Or that HIS lack of speed and athleticism somehow doesn't count.

straw man, mama. "Today's nba is a joke. Slomo is a joke. He wouldn't name himself that if he wasn't in on the joke. He's he's too slow to guard guards, that's why he's a small and growing pf

Kyle has played pretty well, considering all that. But when people look at his performance in the context of winning another Championship, they're going to see some of the holes in his game. That doesn't make them "haters". It makes them Spurs fans. I'm trying really hard not to say, "Shove the 'hater' comments up your ass." I mean, someone should say it. But I'm not gonna do it.

it makes them dumb. Boo hoo, not everyone is as good as Kawhi. No one is suggesting Kyle is going to be a top three team talent...But top 7? Sure. You're a hater if you don't acknowledge reality

[K...]

El no no has always been in on the joke. But even if el no no we're legit 100% not trolling(I think he's 70% trolling about Kyle) you still have to ask, who's more important, el no no or Pafto?

[dabom]

:lol Little do you know, that this is akin to admitting that you don't know shit. Not that I didn't already know, from occasionally skimming a few lines of your miserable, insufferable diatribes over the years.

:lol

[SAGirl]

Frankly Kyle has one of the most unorthodox games I have ever seen. You wouldn't think he'd do what he does but he does it. He's cerebral and very unselfish. Is there anyone else in the entire league like him no? You would think he would not be able to be putting George Gervin moves out there but he does finger roll, and he scoop shots, puts up floaters that very few can block... Will make lob passes from half court, will get 3-4 steals per game easily, he does a lot of stuff that few do. His 3 I hope is here to stay. It's a sign of how hard he's worked on that shot that it's changed since he was drafted. He's a very intriguing player that will make a highlight play with a pass very likely and outside of Manu, right this second Spurs don't have enough of that.

I think ppl don't realize what the loss of Bobo and Tim mean. Both were terrific big men passers. Even the much maligned D west was a much better passer than I thought. In exchange we got Pau and he's old. Even if all Kyle is doing is shooting his 3 and passing to scorers in their favorite spots, whether cutting, slashing, posting up, high lo, that will be impactful bc Manu and Pau are both old and will be rested. Just keeping it simple, while being able to box out guys and rebound are probably the most significant things he can contribute and the team needs those things. Plus him being aggressive with his shots. He has improved a lot as a shooter and has a very high release. I think he will have a good season. Very positive about it bc it's a gradual evolution. It's not like all of a sudden he's the man and not ready.

[SAGirl]

You probably doubt Davis Larry Bird Bertans the same way you doubt Kyle Magic Johnson Anderson
I love this!!!! Combine it with a Pippen/MJ in the Klaw and we got ourselves the legend team! :flag::toast

[TrainOfThought5]

I love this!!!! Combine it with a Pippen/MJ in the Klaw and we got ourselves the legend team! :flag::toast

Obviously we've got the dream team in the making.

[ElNono]

Frankly Kyle has one of the most unorthodox games I have ever seen. You wouldn't think he'd do what he does but he does it. He's cerebral and very unselfish. Is there anyone else in the entire league like him no? You would think he would not be able to be putting George Gervin moves out there but he does finger roll, and he scoop shots, puts up floaters that very few can block... Will make lob passes from half court, will get 3-4 steals per game easily, he does a lot of stuff that few do. His 3 I hope is here to stay. It's a sign of how hard he's worked on that shot that it's changed since he was drafted. He's a very intriguing player that will make a highlight play with a pass very likely and outside of Manu, right this second Spurs don't have enough of that.

I think ppl don't realize what the loss of Bobo and Tim mean. Both were terrific big men passers. Even the much maligned D west was a much better passer than I thought. In exchange we got Pau and he's old. Even if all Kyle is doing is shooting his 3 and passing to scorers in their favorite spots, whether cutting, slashing, posting up, high lo, that will be impactful bc Manu and Pau are both old and will be rested. Just keeping it simple, while being able to box out guys and rebound are probably the most significant things he can contribute and the team needs those things. Plus him being aggressive with his shots. He has improved a lot as a shooter and has a very high release. I think he will have a good season. Very positive about it bc it's a gradual evolution. It's not like all of a sudden he's the man and not ready.

I'd like him to be aggressive when given the chance. That's numero 1 in my book. Aggressive doesn't mean chucking up shots, being a ball stopper or racking up silly fouls quickly for reaching, it means, giving 100% on both ends, whether you have the ball or not.

And the last part is not trivial. I don't know what Pop's plan is for him, but it's entirely possible that he won't have the ball in his hands for long periods, and he still need to be able to affect the game. Be it with improved spot up shooting, cutting, moving, setting serious picks, boxing out and rebounding, etc.

It's not just Anderson either, Simmons has to basically do the same thing if he wants to make progress in this team, IMO.

[ElNono]

El no no has always been in on the joke. But even if el no no we're legit 100% not trolling(I think he's 70% trolling about Kyle) you still have to ask, who's more important, el no no or Pafto?

I'm completely unimportant.

[K...]

Just for a anyone talking about Bertrans vs Kyle remember Bertrans came from pro ball and real minutes

[K...]

I'm completely unimportant.

But entertaining which is fine.

[SAGirl]

I'd like him to be aggressive when given the chance. That's numero 1 in my book. Aggressive doesn't mean chucking up shots, being a ball stopper or racking up silly fouls quickly for reaching, it means, giving 100% on both ends, whether you have the ball or not.

And the last part is not trivial. I don't know what Pop's plan is for him, but it's entirely possible that he won't have the ball in his hands for long periods, and he still need to be able to affect the game. Be it with improved spot up shooting, cutting, moving, setting serious picks, boxing out and rebounding, etc.

It's not just Anderson either, Simmons has to basically do the same thing if he wants to make progress in this team, IMO.
Not sure what Pop has in mind with the rumors about Pau in the bench. Pop may go mad scientist mode and the system might not look homogeneous until the end of the season. Both guys should be pushed but it's really on Pop to incorporate what they do and get them the ball in good spots for them. Last season Kyle was in the background. He was active off the ball, he set screens and he kept moving finding open spots, the problem is that he passed up on a lot of shots, that was the most noticeable thing. Him working on his 3 pts shot should help. His game also didn't fit in with Diaw and D west bc he liked the midrange a lot. He's actually a very good midrange shooter and attacks from that area off the dribble as well when the defense plays him too close, but playing with the other two bigs took away his favorite spots. That's actually where West made his money. There wasn't much that could be done to hide the fact that Kyle's favorite shot areas were occupied by someone else. When Boris sat and Kyle played the 4 all of a sudden he was more aggressive. But in reality him expanding his range to the 3 just opens up a whole lot more he can do offensively for the team, providing spacing, and he is not restricted in effectiveness to some spots. He's on his way to becoming a versatile scorer but Rome wasn't built in a day.

It's also obvious that Pop wants him to develop an iso or one on one game which I don't expect will be featured but it's being developed to bail out possessions IMO. Regardless he will need to remain very aggressive looking to score, I agree on that.

There is a whole other aspect he was working on, defensively guarding bigger and stronger guys, protecting the paint, having stamina to play on both ends, bc playing as a big is bruising as guys push you and jostle on both ends. I though one of the games he was gassed, the 76ers game on a B2B they almost lost in the 4th Q. He was matched with Wood and another strong big at all times, both guys bigger and very aggressive. He still had an efficient game but at the end missed all shots he took and ran out of energy defensively too. It might have looked like he wasn't boxing out or boarding but when I paid attention to the fact that offensively he also looked exhausted, I knew it wasn't laziness. He was tired. It's stuff he's not used to and that was probably part of the whole experience IMO.

[ceperez]

You probably doubt Davis Larry Bird Bertans the same way you doubt Kyle Magic Johnson Anderson

I think this characterization is faulty.

Bertans is a lot more athletic than Bird.

I would say that Kyle Anderson is more like Bird in athleticism. KA just can't shoot as well. But if he does, then he's the 2nd coming of Larry Bird. They actually are the same height.

Bertans is more like a Kyle Korver.

Spurs don't have a Magic Johnson type player despite KA ability to dribble.

[Obstructed_View]

Well, gee, thank guys both, for good or bad :lol

I don't hate Kyle, tbh, nor have given up on him. I do run a schtick with SAGirl, who's a good sport, I gotta admit, and sure, I do have a lot of question marks about him, but that's ok. It's my opinion, everybody is entitled to theirs. I don't hate the player though, I don't think that makes me a "hater". I do want him to do good.

I'll be happy for him when he becomes an All-Star and tell everybody here how wrong I was. It's not really a big deal (at least for me) at all.

If you were reading Spurstalk at the time, you know that I hated Keith Bogans. Really, really hated him. Not because he was unlikable in some way, but because he couldn't do his job, and he couldn't help the team. During games, there was not a single player on the squad that I cheered louder for when he hit a big basket or made a big play.

I'm sure glad that motherfucker is gone.

[Obstructed_View]

Spurs don't have a Magic Johnson type player despite KA ability to dribble.


BAM!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPOu-g7UAAEH427.jpg

[sasaint]

BAM!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPOu-g7UAAEH427.jpg


That's what I call optimism! :toast One thing Dijon has over Magic: he is quicker and more athletic. If he even approaches Magic's level of court vision/awareness and floor generalship, he and Kawhi will be an historic duo.

[Obstructed_View]

That's what I call optimism! :toast One thing Dijon has over Magic: he is quicker and more athletic. If he even approaches Magic's level of court vision/awareness and floor generalship, he and Kawhi will be an historic duo.

Well, if we're calling Davis Bertans Larry Bird...

[TrainOfThought5]

Well, if we're calling Davis Bertans Larry Bird...

Im a trendsetter, i set trends.

[Obstructed_View]

Im a trendsetter, i set trends.

Some people who reply to you don't get it without blue text, ma man. :lol

[SAGirl]

I knew he was joking. It's actually a lot of fun to be joking on the positive.
Much cheers to my guy TrainOfThought5
:flag:

[tholdren]

Well it's fine if you are unconvinced or even if you dont like his game like Nono, but there is a breed of haters beyond your breed, you know the breed.

Also, you must know, there is no perfect player, even stars have imperfections. Look at Danny Green. Roleplayers get crucified specially when they are young around here and brought along in their own time. And there are plenty of athletes who just can't play ball. Kyle was 22 this season, still very young, could have been a college student, he consistently wins wherever Spurs send him and he played over 1200 minutes for a 67 win team, averaging about 20 minutes per game from January on, that includes the tougher part of the season and that was without shooting the 3 that much. If you don't see the positives you will be bitter all the time like all Danny haters who refuse to see his value bc he ain't dunking.

As I said you may not like him and that's fine but there are those who refuse to see anything positive in his game. If he couldn't play ball he would have been waived or his option not picked up, it's that simple.
Not nearly as annoying as your breed. Who gets aroused if he comes in at garbage time and scores 8 points against the kings - or gets real minutes in the playoffs without producing anything you post about it.

Fact of the matter is - some idiots claimed him to be a projected 16 pick in the draft. People think he was awesome in college, but he wasn't. Thanks youtube. The thing about Anderson is he was basically just right at the 29 spot and came to the best team he could have been drafted by. That makes him better than he would be as well. In hindsight I think the only person I would REALLY rather have than KA is Dwight Powell. Really that's the position that should have been drafted.

All in all the spurs came as close to maxing out as they could from that spot in that draft. Good pick. Unfortunately KA still sucked when it mattered and just like KL he gets too much love for really not doing shit when it matters. Call me a hater all you want, but until KA is serviceable in the playoffs don't post about him.

[tonight...you]

Not nearly as annoying as your breed. Who gets aroused if he comes in at garbage time and scores 8 points against the kings - or gets real minutes in the playoffs without producing anything you post about it.

Fact of the matter is - some idiots claimed him to be a projected 16 pick in the draft. People think he was awesome in college, but he wasn't. Thanks youtube. The thing about Anderson is he was basically just right at the 29 spot and came to the best team he could have been drafted by. That makes him better than he would be as well. In hindsight I think the only person I would REALLY rather have than KA is Dwight Powell. Really that's the position that should have been drafted.

All in all the spurs came as close to maxing out as they could from that spot in that draft. Good pick. Unfortunately KA still sucked when it mattered and just like KL he gets too much love for really not doing shit when it matters. Call me a hater all you want, but until KA is serviceable in the playoffs don't post about him.
Post restriction through the entire RS? You are a harsh emmer effer...

[K...]

Not nearly as annoying as your breed. Who gets aroused if he comes in at garbage time and scores 8 points against the kings - or gets real minutes in the playoffs without producing anything you post about it.

Fact of the matter is - some idiots claimed him to be a projected 16 pick in the draft. People think he was awesome in college, but he wasn't. Thanks youtube. The thing about Anderson is he was basically just right at the 29 spot and came to the best team he could have been drafted by. That makes him better than he would be as well. In hindsight I think the only person I would REALLY rather have than KA is Dwight Powell. Really that's the position that should have been drafted.

All in all the spurs came as close to maxing out as they could from that spot in that draft. Good pick. Unfortunately KA still sucked when it mattered and just like KL he gets too much love for really not doing shit when it matters. Call me a hater all you want, but until KA is serviceable in the playoffs don't post about him.


Lol, I can't even reply to this

[tholdren]

Post restriction through the entire RS? You are a harsh emmer effer...

like i give 2 shits if a bench player scores against another bench player in an 82 game season in meaningless minutes.

[tholdren]

Lol, I can't even reply to this
but you did. kyle anderson posts are much like summer league posts or who should be the 15th man post.

[tonight...you]

like i give 2 shits if a bench player scores against another bench player in an 82 game season in meaningless minutes.
Right right... benches don't mean shit in the RS. I feel you.

[dabom]

Right right... benches don't mean shit in the RS. I feel you.

But you should know we don't grade players on the RS. The RS is the study course.

[tonight...you]

But you should know we don't grade players on the RS. The RS is the study course.
Ah, so not discussing them during the RS (as he desires) helps in the study course, yes?
If only the coaching staff would act like that. Right?

I ain't talking about what you do, or not do for the team, Kyle! It's the RS! Just... go out there and maybe do something good, for a change!

No... what we need is less basketball talk and more trolling. NOBODY TALK ABOUT THE BENCH DURING THE RS!

Just... troll, or something.

[dabom]

Ah, so not discussing them during the RS (as he desires) helps in the study course, yes?
If only the coaching staff would act like that. Right?

I ain't talking about what you do, or not do for the team, Kyle! It's the RS! Just... go out there and maybe do something good, for a change!

No... what we need is less basketball talk and more trolling. NOBODY TALK ABOUT THE BENCH DURING THE RS!

Just... troll, or something.

I'm not saying to not discuss the players. Just don't say he is a contributing player if he shoots .33% in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure Pop would love you to suck ass all season and peak in the playoffs. :lol

[tonight...you]

I'm not saying to not discuss the players. Just don't say he is a contributing player if he shoots .33% in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure Pop would love you to suck ass all season and peak in the playoffs. :lol
Funny. You entered a discussion where I'm talking about someone else's intentions (not discussing the bench) and placed it upon yourself.
You don't need to put that weight on your shoulders, bro! Lol.

And I never said anybody was contributing anything at all. Keep the arguments on focus. I'm talking about discussing the bench during the RS.

[dabom]

Funny. You entered a discussion where I'm talking about someone else's intentions (not discussing the bench) and placed it upon yourself.
You don't need to put that weight on your shoulders, bro! Lol.

And I never said anybody was contributing anything at all. Keep the arguments on focus. I'm talking about discussing the bench during the RS.

I know who tholdren is. :lol

I just agree with his fathead analysis. :lol

[tonight...you]

I know who tholdren is. :lol

I just agree with his fathead analysis. :lol
Understood brother. :toast
My argument has nothing to do with any particular player, but with just throwing out that they don't want to even discuss something at all through a whole season.
Whether anybody likes it, or not- Kyle is going to be a 6th, or 7th man off of this bench. He will need to be discussed. One way, or another.

[TrainOfThought5]

I knew he was joking. It's actually a lot of fun to be joking on the positive.
Much cheers to my guy TrainOfThought5
:flag:

Its a lot easier when youre actually rooting for the player (and therefore the team) to succeed. Plus, i really like guys with quirky playstyles and skillsets. Boris Diaw is my favorite player after post prime Tim, and prime Manu.

And I admire your faithfulness in the Spurs player development process. Everyone cant have a Kawhi-like evolution, or an instant Ginobili impact. Some guys take time. These STers (who arent trolling) are really spoiled brats LOL

[tonight...you]

Its a lot easier when youre actually rooting for the player (and therefore the team) to succeed. Plus, i really like guys with quirky playstyles and skillsets. Boris Diaw is my favorite player after post prime Tim, and prime Manu.

And I admire your faithfulness in the Spurs player development process. Everyone cant have a Kawhi-like evolution, or an instant Ginobili impact. Some guys take time. These STers (who arent trolling) are really spoiled brats LOL
Two decades of unparalleled excellence will do that to any fan base.
Give this team 2 years of consecutive losing and fans will quickly adjust.

[tholdren]

Understood brother. :toast
My argument has nothing to do with any particular player, but with just throwing out that they don't want to even discuss something at all through a whole season.
Whether anybody likes it, or not- Kyle is going to be a 6th, or 7th man off of this bench. He will need to be discussed. One way, or another.
Why? So you can say how good he does in worthless minutes against worthless players, make an assumption about his playing which is not applicable to how he will fare during the playoffs? Makes sense to me..

[tholdren]

Its a lot easier when youre actually rooting for the player (and therefore the team) to succeed. Plus, i really like guys with quirky playstyles and skillsets. Boris Diaw is my favorite player after post prime Tim, and prime Manu.

And I admire your faithfulness in the Spurs player development process. Everyone cant have a Kawhi-like evolution, or an instant Ginobili impact. Some guys take time. These STers (who arent trolling) are really spoiled brats LOL

Disagree - I think that when you come into a league that proclaims to have the best basketball talent in the world you shouldn't have to witness lots of garbage. If a guy is a pro - then he really should be performing like a pro no matter when or where he plays.

[tonight...you]

Why? So you can say how good he does in worthless minutes against worthless players, make an assumption about his playing which is not applicable to how he will fare during the playoffs? Makes sense to me..
No. Not at all. Why would you assume that?
I'm acknowledging the reality of the upcoming season. Why don't you?

[tonight...you]

Disagree - I think that when you come into a league that proclaims to have the best basketball talent in the world you shouldn't have to witness lots of garbage. If a guy is a pro - then he really should be performing like a pro no matter when or where he plays.
Go be a fan of some other team. Any other team. Like 90% of all the other teams, bro.
Go be a fan for Sac-Town for 3 seasons. Then maybe you'll understand how bad most teams are and that talent distribution is hard in this league.

Then maybe you'll get it.

Maybe...

[TrainOfThought5]

Disagree - I think that when you come into a league that proclaims to have the best basketball talent in the world you shouldn't have to witness lots of garbage. If a guy is a pro - then he really should be performing like a pro no matter when or where he plays.

Maybe, maybe not.

[tholdren]

Go be a fan of some other team. Any other team. Like 90% of all the other teams, bro.
Go be a fan for Sac-Town for 3 seasons. Then maybe you'll understand how bad most teams are and that talent distribution is hard in this league.

Then maybe you'll get it.

Maybe...

LOL - Ive been on SA for over three decades. good work though.

[tonight...you]

LOL - Ive been on SA for over three decades. good work though.
Thank you. I'll take the compliment. It's unfortunate that my point whizzed over your head though.
It wasn't difficult to see...