Church of Kyle Anderson

[TimDunkem]

How can he not take those open shots? Its like, "Im talented but Im going to throw it all away (as well as millions of $) because I wont throw this orange ball at that orange hoop.

It's been 3 years and he still doesn't so you tell me.

[TheDoctor]

SAgirl is actually chumpdumper TBH fwiw imo

Yeah she-he started as a timid and insightful poster, then to a gigantic brick wall opinion writer, then to a massive player fan + gigantic brick wall opinion writer and now she-he's an almost full-time troll even putting names at Kyle. Kyle "Don't Take the Shot" Anderson.

Wtf? :lol

[skulls138]

I think he will. He could hide before and be mr clever ball handler but thats run its course. He also knows he screwed up, I mean Simmons took his job away right from under him because of his passiveness.

[skulls138]

Yeah she-he started as a timid and insightful poster, then to a gigantic brick wall opinion writer, then to a massive player fan + gigantic brick wall opinion writer and now she-he's an almost full-time troll even putting names at Kyle. Kyle "Don't Take the Shot" Anderson.

Wtf? :lolMoron :lmao

[SPURt]

SAgirl is actually chumpdumper TBH fwiw imo
Or is chumpdumper actually SA Girl?
https://media.tenor.com/images/b2190afe666915580adb0890260362d1/tenor.gif

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I had to revive the Church of Anderson.
:flag:

Kyle at Dyckman 2017:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTXXHsOxnxQ&feature=youtu.be





It looks he has filled out bit.


Kyle's a high IQ player. He's Boris-Lite....not quite as big, not quite as strong, not quite as good of a passer or ball handler, not quite as quick, but he does everything pretty well. Unfortunately the Spurs need a Boris++, not a guy who's 70% of what Diaw was.

No offense to Kyle Anderson...or SAGirl.

[SAGirl]

I don't know chump ...
But you guys do take fandom too seriously. You already made fun of me about my fandom so I just own it :tu What's si bad about that. No one should be bothered. You guys might take it humorously too

[Blake]

what are you going to do after they finally cut or trade him?

[Chinook]

Yeah she-he started as a timid and insightful poster, then to a gigantic brick wall opinion writer, then to a massive player fan + gigantic brick wall opinion writer and now she-he's an almost full-time troll even putting names at Kyle. Kyle "Don't Take the Shot" Anderson.

Wtf? :lol

I imagine it's getting jaded and then bored. What else is there to do now by troll or bitch?

[SAGirl]

The "don't take a shot" name was given by TimDuken, not me... He made a funny list giving everyone names. I just used it bc it's humorous and doesn't bother me. The day he starts taking shots more aggressively, we can make do without the "afraid to shoot" name. That is not even a pejorative remark... like saying Danny no dribble. Who cares? Is anyone going to argue Danny dribbles like a star? no? Kyle is passive sometimes? Yes.

It's one thing to criticize someone's game, sometimes righteously than to make pejorative remarks about their appearance. He can be more aggressive shooting, but his head will always be big. See the difference... who cares about his head? Guys should care about if he can ball.

There are several guy dudes browsing that constantly make reference to player appearances so I think some are quite gay caring about player's looks.

Now you can turn this into a discussion about player appearance if you want and roll with it.

[SAGirl]

Yeah she-he started as a timid and insightful poster, then to a gigantic brick wall opinion writer, then to a massive player fan + gigantic brick wall opinion writer and now she-he's an almost full-time troll even putting names at Kyle. Kyle "Don't Take the Shot" Anderson.

Wtf? :lol

This is the person who actually gave the names... not me...
TimDunkem Give credit where its due Doctor you know better than that.

Instead we have:
Out of shape, discontent LMA:lol
One-legged TP
40 going on 41 Manu
One-legged Rudy Gay
Declining Danny "fresh out the club checking out underage girls" Green
Broken Micowave Mills
37 year old Pau 48 million dollar man Gasoft
Dejounte "I'd rather tweet and Instagram with dogface filters" Murray
Fathead "I'm afraid to shoot corner threes" Anderson
Fathead Jr.
Brandon Paul
Davis "I don't boxout" Bertans
Bryn "I wilted in the summer league playoffs" Forbes
And some guy named Blossomgame

:vomit:

in this thread: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269662&page=3&p=9102773#post9102773

[TimDunkem]

TIMDUNKEM

Get it right, toots. :nope

[TimDunkem]

And it's quite difficult not to reference Kyle's head considering it blocks out the sun and all.

[SAGirl]

TIMDUNKEM

Get it right, toots. :nope

FIFY... :lol see above now.

[TimDunkem]

Still wrong. :lol

[SAGirl]

And it's quite difficult not to reference Kyle's head considering it blocks out the sun and all.

Yea, I imagine mens size is so important for you. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Yea, I imagine mens size is so important for you. :lol
Someone is feisty today.

[cutewizard]

Point forward in the making??

[BillMc]

SAgirl is actually chumpdumper TBH fwiw imo

So this is chump after estrogen therapy?

[CGD]

Kyle putting work in the summer:
890256700061741056


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPIfBwZNnCk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFkZYfA94wA&list=PLGCM_dm2Wql0f-S-4xYTxdI9k0rNMbeXR&index=159

Looks like he got even slower, jeesh

[Poolboy5623]

The fact that "the church of Kyle Anderson" is the #1 topic on here tells me it may be a long season ahead....wtf happened?!

[TheGreatYacht]

The fact that "the church of Kyle Anderson" is the #1 topic on here tells me it may be a long season ahead....wtf happened?!
Some idiots even argue if he should start. Sums up the offseason PATFO had.

[SAGirl]

The fact that "the church of Kyle Anderson" is the #1 topic on here tells me it may be a long season ahead....wtf happened?!
Subject of many trolls topic of conversation... you'd think as much as they hate him they would be tired if talking about him.... It says more about them.
I only post summer updates ocassionally and the trolls post like 20 hate mails... pretty much.

[tholdren]

Subject of many trolls topic of conversation... you'd think as much as they hate him they would be tired if talking about him.... It says more about them.
I only post summer updates ocassionally and the trolls post like 20 hate mails... pretty much.

I like anderson. But it was funny as hell to hear the idiots say he was magic reincarnate or lottery talent. Ka is what is wrong with media hype. Ive seen players not even get contacted by d1 colleges that were better than nba players who led league in scoring. Ka is just another name to add to the list of overhyped under skilled professionals.

[skulls138]

Its a team game and just being able to score is just a part of it. If the Spurs success doesnt teach that I dont know what does. KA is a team player, too much I think, needs to be more selfish...for the team. Honestly though Im not going to know if how talented he is or isnt if he doesnt take the wide open shots, or become a PF.

[TimDunkem]

He's average at best at everything. Brings zero excitement or energy. Just one of those safe picks who, in the end, will likely not stick with the Spurs, or even in the league. If he does, he'll be a career bench player on bad to decent teams - the Ray Felton or Ramon Sessions of small ball bigs.

Derrick White likely has the same career trajectory ahead. :sleep

[hooperflash]

Getting a session in with the Kaang, the Snake, and future Rocket Carmeloooo Anthonyyyyy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQPiYPn0pk

[Seventyniner]

Getting a session in with the Kaang, the Snake, and future Rocket Carmeloooo Anthonyyyyy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQPiYPn0pk

Did they really add duplicate highlights to this video to get it to 4:20? :lol

[Truth4sale$]

Kyle Anderson is not a bad player, he is just is man without a position, and a aggressive mindset. He is a laid back player. A role player that can give a superstar 10 minutes a game to catch their breath. Unfortunately, the Spurs need some more aggressive, hungry emerging stars, not more role players. They let the one aggressive player leave to Orlando.
Maybe Kyle will be aggressive in contract year.

[SnakeBoy]

I like anderson. But it was funny as hell to hear the idiots say he was magic reincarnate or lottery talent. Ka is what is wrong with media hype. Ive seen players not even get contacted by d1 colleges that were better than nba players who led league in scoring. Ka is just another name to add to the list of overhyped under skilled professionals.

Like who?

[cd98]

I'll give him his due, he's been working on his game the whole offseason. I wouldn't say he'll be a star, but he has the tools to be a good role player if he can shoot 38% or better from the three point line. I've never argued he was a star, but he is an NBA player. He was picked at the end of the first round...obviously GMs that know his game passed on drafting him in the lottery.

[SAGirl]

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/qa-kyle-anderson-celebrate-life-day-wild-nba-offseason-more

[SAGirl]

910466076793741313

[SAGirl]

I didn't see this posted anywhere. It's a very candid and recent interview.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GWXDqxtYyU

There are a few Spurs tangents in the interview:

At the beginning he's asked what he's learned in his transition from college to his now 4th season in the NBA, and he mentions the business aspect of the NBA and how it's a cutthroat business and everyone is out for themselves. The whole "buddy, buddy" thing doesn't work in the NBA. He mentions he is in it by himself and has to look out for himself. I suspect how it went for the free agency class this season influenced his view.

He also talks about his workouts this summer and he mentioned competing against elite NBA players was something he wanted to do to gain confidence in his ability. He mentioned he's more free to play in that setting going against really good players bc he's not constantly hearing a coach in the back of his mind saying pass the ball, do this or that etc. He felt it would better prepare him for the season when he does compete against those guys.

He has some messages for the teenage players. He says: don't believe your own hype. You aren't as good as you think you are. It's tough when you are a top recruit in high school to not believe your own hype and get complacent. He admitted he got complacent and believed his own hype. He didn't work on his game as hard as he could have his freshman year in college. He thought he made up for it his second season but it was tough for him and he wished someone had prepared him for how tough it would be and how much harder he would need to work on his game. He said the greats never get complacent and are never satisfied. He would advise all the high school top recruits to work harder.

[Chinook]

Glad to read that Kyle is an even-keeled dude. Doesn't seem like he's going to be back in 2018, though. I wonder what APY it would take to extend him. Kyle is a better but significantly less accomplished player than TJ Warren, but anything approaching Warren's APY would be foolish for the team to give out now. I think it's realistic that he ends up as a long-term piece, but his salary would need to reflect the actual NBA market, not the one folks assumed was there when guys like Bazemore and Crabbe were getting maxed out.

[SAGirl]

Glad to read that Kyle is an even-keeled dude. Doesn't seem like he's going to be back in 2018, though. I wonder what APY it would take to extend him. Kyle is a better but significantly less accomplished player than TJ Warren, but anything approaching Warren's APY would be foolish for the team to give out now. I think it's realistic that he ends up as a long-term piece, but his salary would need to reflect the actual NBA market, not the one folks assumed was there when guys like Bazemore and Crabbe were getting maxed out.

I have said it for a while. I don't think he will be back. The uncertainties of RFA and how tough the market will be next season do create doubt in my mind though, but I do believe Spurs haven't offered anything. He's facing a situation similar to JSimms and he knows it, and that is if he's not traded first. His former college teammate Shabazz ended up signing for the minimum in Minnesota and former Austin Spurs alum Jamychal Green remains or remained unsigned a day ago. It doesn't look good for him and his class. I can't really tell you his value, he's been cooped up in the bench and broke out with a few good games in the playoffs. I think he knows this is his payday season and has gotten as ready as he possibly can for it. It will depend on how it goes, but even if it goes very well for him, I could still see him gone. In fact, it's more likely he leaves if he has a good season.

I do wonder if the trade market will flourish once again with teams strapped for cap. Already we saw a whole lot of trades this past summer, whereas the 2 seasons prior it was a bonanza of overpriced roleplayers getting signed.

[Chinook]

I have said it for a while. I don't think he will be back. The uncertainties of RFA and how tough the market will be next season do create doubt in my mind though, but I do believe Spurs haven't offered anything. He's facing a situation similar to JSimms and he knows it, and that is if he's not traded first. His former college teammate Shabazz ended up signing for the minimum in Minnesota and former Austin Spurs alum Jamychal Green remains or remained unsigned a day ago. It doesn't look good for him and his class. I can't really tell you his value, he's been cooped up in the bench and broke out with a few good games in the playoffs. I think he knows this is his payday season and has gotten as ready as he possibly can for it. It will depend on how it goes, but even if it goes very well for him, I could still see him gone. In fact, it's more likely he leaves if he has a good season.

I do wonder if the trade market will flourish once again with teams strapped for cap. Already we saw a whole lot of trades this past summer, whereas the 2 seasons prior it was a bonanza of overpriced roleplayers getting signed.

It's a perfect market for extensions, since players are losing by betting on themselves right now. I think Anderson would listen to an extension offer, but seeing as many of them are still overpayments right now, it doesn't seem worth it. I wouldn't go over MLE money extending anyone but Kawhi or LMA, but Kyle would have to lock down a top-seven rotation spot for me to even offer that.

[BillMc]

I didn't see this posted anywhere. It's a very candid and recent interview.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GWXDqxtYyU

There are a few Spurs tangents in the interview:

At the beginning he's asked what he's learned in his transition from college to his now 4th season in the NBA, and he mentions the business aspect of the NBA and how it's a cutthroat business and everyone is out for themselves. The whole "buddy, buddy" thing doesn't work in the NBA. He mentions he is in it by himself and has to look out for himself. I suspect how it went for the free agency class this season influenced his view.

He also talks about his workouts this summer and he mentioned competing against elite NBA players was something he wanted to do to gain confidence in his ability. He mentioned he's more free to play in that setting going against really good players bc he's not constantly hearing a coach in the back of his mind saying pass the ball, do this or that etc. He felt it would better prepare him for the season when he does compete against those guys.

He has some messages for the teenage players. He says: don't believe your own hype. You aren't as good as you think you are. It's tough when you are a top recruit in high school to not believe your own hype and get complacent. He admitted he got complacent and believed his own hype. He didn't work on his game as hard as he could have his freshman year in college. He thought he made up for it his second season but it was tough for him and he wished someone had prepared him for how tough it would be and how much harder he would need to work on his game. He said the greats never get complacent and are never satisfied. He would advise all the high school top recruits to work harder.

Thanks for posting. :toast

Pretty rare to hear a Spur player say "You're in it for yourself" and "You can't trust other people" especially for a levelheaded guy like Kyle. It's not like this DeJuan Blair saying it. Wonder what experiences he's referring to (if anything specific) or just generalities?

Still, I like Kyle. Spurs really could use him having a breakout year.

[Chinook]

Thanks for posting. :toast

Pretty rare to hear a Spur player say "You're in it for yourself" and "You can't trust other people" especially for a levelheaded guy like Kyle. It's not like this DeJuan Blair saying it. Wonder what experiences he's referring to (if anything specific) or just generalities?

Still, I like Kyle. Spurs really could use him having a breakout year.

Yeah, that's really weird. The Spurs gave Kyle 120 percent of the rookie scale without much of a fight. Salary-wise, he seems to have had a relatively smooth career. He could mean a relative lack of friends on the team/in the league. Maybe his view is informed by the Simmons situation?

[apalisoc_9]

They're resigning kyle for about 6-8 per on a three year deal.

[SAGirl]

Thanks for posting. :toast

Pretty rare to hear a Spur player say "You're in it for yourself" and "You can't trust other people" especially for a levelheaded guy like Kyle. It's not like this DeJuan Blair saying it. Wonder what experiences he's referring to (if anything specific) or just generalities?

Still, I like Kyle. Spurs really could use him having a breakout year.


He doesn't make reference to anything specific, but he did have one sentence where he timidly mentions that this is his livelihood and can determine providing for his family.

I believe it's related to his agents negotiation of a contract extension that doesn't look good. I don't think he's getting offers.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, that's really weird. The Spurs gave Kyle 120 percent of the rookie scale without much of a fight. Salary-wise, he seems to have had a relatively smooth career. He could mean a relative lack of friends on the team/in the league. Maybe his view is informed by the Simmons situation?

It's not relative to friends, it's relative to his contract situation with the Spurs IMO. See my comment above.

I reflected on what you said above about the market for extensions. I used to think Spurs just didn't favor them bc they tied up capspace, specially if they wanted to make a splash in FA like they did the season they signed up Lamarcus. They hadn't extended Kawhi and CoJo to allow them to have that window. I used to think Spurs were planning something similar and wouldn't extend any young players. Now, it just doesn't make sense bc they went and reupped Pau and Mills for 98 million over a few several years so I don't know what Spurs are planning. It's possible they will have to make plays through trades from now on.

[TheGreatYacht]

Glad to read that Kyle is an even-keeled dude. Doesn't seem like he's going to be back in 2018, though. I wonder what APY it would take to extend him. Kyle is a better but significantly less accomplished player than TJ Warren, but anything approaching Warren's APY would be foolish for the team to give out now. I think it's realistic that he ends up as a long-term piece, but his salary would need to reflect the actual NBA market, not the one folks assumed was there when guys like Bazemore and Crabbe were getting maxed out.
Warren just came off a season averaging 14/5/1 on good efficiency. Fathead doesn't even average 14 in Per40.

To even mention both, especially when there's a 10ppg difference, in the same sentence is already disrespectful. Much less to say a mediocre talent like Fathead is better.

[pad300]

They're resigning kyle for about 6-8 per on a three year deal.

IF they get that as an extension, it will be a good deal.

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=1463&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&player_ids%5B%5D=1476&season=2016

Unfortunately, if we don't lock him up, I think he is going to have an opportunity this year to up his value considerably...

[Chinook]

Warren just came off a season averaging 14/5/1 on good efficiency. Fathead doesn't even average 14 in Per40.

To even mention both, especially when there's a 10ppg difference, in the same sentence is already disrespectful. Much less to say a mediocre talent like Fathead is better.

:lol Should have expressed your feelings through Clip Art

[SAGirl]

Truly we don't know how Kyle would look in that Sun's team. With a roster deprived of talent he might play at least 20 minutes nightly and we'd know his value better. Warren is a talented scorer but he's not a good shooter who would fit in the Spurs system seamlessly and he would occupy the midrange like the team's stars. I know for sure he wouldn't start for the Spurs and would have been an ill fit with last team's bench. In the Spurs of last season Warren might not have been much better while not adding anything in other areas. Spurs do depress the stats of most of their end of bench roleplayers. I think some teams may evaluate him more based on his playoff games than anything else bc he's been stashed in Pop's bench. No matter what I think like J.Simms he's going to earn his $ in the postseason. So we shall see. Market looks rough and Spurs have been playing hardball with their young guys. If things come to the same they came with J.Simms I think he will feel that money being equal he'd rather be somewhere else. His statement of being in this on his own already give insight to his state of mind. He's gone IMO.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Should have expressed your feelings through Clip Art
:lol crap player evaluation from one of the worst in the board. Should've stuck with cap space posts

[Chinook]

:lol crap player evaluation from one of the worst in the board. Should've stuck with cap space posts

Says the guy who's pinked because of his shit takes. Stick to trolling Manu fans, man.

[TheGreatYacht]

Says the guy who's pinked because of his shit takes. Stick to trolling Manu fans, man.
I don't suck up to mods and Kori. Cant say the same for you.

[ceds]

He has had 3 off-seasons now to get his body strong enough to play the 4 and gives the team passing and IQ at the position.

It's all going to come down to if he can/will shoot the 3 at 35%+ and not hesitate. If he can do that then maybe he could start on a bad team

The Anderson / Bertan's battle will be interesting to watch but i have Bertans ahead by a long way.

[buttsR4rebounding]

He has had 3 off-seasons now to get his body strong enough to play the 4 and gives the team passing and IQ at the position.

It's all going to come down to if he can/will shoot the 3 at 35%+ and not hesitate. If he can do that then maybe he could start on a bad team

The Anderson / Bertan's battle will be interesting to watch but i have Bertans ahead by a long way.

I think Kyle's defense and rebounding give him the edge over Bertans. Those are 2 areas that will be at a premium for the Spurs this year. I just wish Bertans would at least pretend to try to rebound.

[ceds]

I agree that Pop will probably go with Anderson because of the defense. we have 2 flawed players really.

Anderson - Has the defense, IQ and now the strength to play 4 but needs to learn shoot the 3 to make it.
Bertan's - Lights out shooter with a quick release, creates on closeouts but Isn't strong enough to hold his position which really hurts his rebounding and defense.

The reason i like Bertan's chances for turning out to be the better player and improving his weakness more is because he is deceptively athletic and has a toughness about him (remember him sticking up for a teammate a pushing the bucks center who is twice his size). My hope is that once he fills out and gets stronger over the next 2 years it will translate into better defense and rebounding but at the end of the day he will make his living as a more athletic Ryan Anderson if everything works out.

I really hope Kyle brings it this season and if he can stretch the floor then it really helps us against G/S more then anything Bertan's could do. It's just the reason i have doubts is because he's worked with chip for 3 years to quicken his release and not hesitate open looks yet we still see the same thing. This has to be the make or break season for him right?

[jermaine]

I like Anderson, but that interview makes him seems unhappy. I'd rather Bertans over Anderson thou, simply cuz Anderson is busy tryna be a play maker vs just shooting the ball.

[SAGirl]

I like Anderson, but that interview makes him seems unhappy. I'd rather Bertans over Anderson thou, simply cuz Anderson is busy tryna be a play maker vs just shooting the ball.
It's the first time I see him say something like that. I really think it's the Spurs don't want to pay him next season. He's got to look out for himself now and be a grownup. The business aspect of the NBA isn't pretty for everyone.

[SAGirl]

I agree that Pop will probably go with Anderson because of the defense. we have 2 flawed players really.

Anderson - Has the defense, IQ and now the strength to play 4 but needs to learn shoot the 3 to make it.
Bertan's - Lights out shooter with a quick release, creates on closeouts but Isn't strong enough to hold his position which really hurts his rebounding and defense.

The reason i like Bertan's chances for turning out to be the better player and improving his weakness more is because he is deceptively athletic and has a toughness about him (remember him sticking up for a teammate a pushing the bucks center who is twice his size). My hope is that once he fills out and gets stronger over the next 2 years it will translate into better defense and rebounding but at the end of the day he will make his living as a more athletic Ryan Anderson if everything works out.

I really hope Kyle brings it this season and if he can stretch the floor then it really helps us against G/S more then anything Bertan's could do. It's just the reason i have doubts is because he's worked with chip for 3 years to quicken his release and not hesitate open looks yet we still see the same thing. This has to be the make or break season for him right?
Unlikely IMO he's a Spur past this season. It's important for him to take advantage of his chances to play when he has them bc his livelihood and next contract will depend on it.

[ceds]

Let's just pray one of the two has developed enough to be be depended on.

I like the competition aspect, hopefully it brings out the best in the both of them.

[SAGirl]

Let's just pray one of the two has developed enough to be be depended on.

I like the competition aspect, hopefully it brings out the best in the both of them.
Bertans contract will also depend on it. I also expect him to have a good season. The Spurs could potentially have 6 FA to resign next season and they won't be able to resign them all frankly. Some may move on on their own like LMA.

Spurs may just want to wait on the season to see what they will do with Bertans, Kyle and Forbes all restricted but I expect RC to play the market to his advantage and play them like he played JSimms. Let them get an offer to match. The situation may change for them if LMA and Danny opt out, if Rudy also opts out or he has a bad season coming back from the injury. A whole lot of things can happen between now and then so it's a risk they are taking... but considering the state of the team, where Spurs don't know who is going to step up or not and who will want to hitch a ride somewhere else or not, playing it that way is the way to go for RC. I do expect KYle to be gone. I think he's opened eyes in some teams and could be perceived as one of those assets Spurs won't match offers on or aren't intent on keeping. He could be poached easily and if he has a good season, even more easily. He may ask Spurs to release him quickly like Cojo did.

[Chinook]

I don't suck up to mods and Kori. Cant say the same for you.

:lol 99 percent of the posters here manage to have opinions not horrible enough to get censored. Keep fighting the man, though.

[Chinook]

Unlikely IMO he's a Spur past this season. It's important for him to take advantage of his chances to play when he has them bc his livelihood and next contract will depend on it.

I am not going to say that Kyle and PATFO didn't talk about his extension, but that really seems like one of multiple possibilities. The Spurs not offering an extension now is not the same thing as them not wanting to pay him. It's simply too hard to know what he's worth without knowing if he can hold down a solid rotation spot. The current RFA market seems to underscore that Kyle may well not get what he wants from anyone next summer. If anything, he should feel more confident in SA holding his rights than a team that wouldn't let him go if he legitimately gets priced out of the Spurs' plans.

I really think it could be Simmons related more than extension. He and Jon are supposedly really tight, and Simmons (very, very mistakenly) felt that he deserved big money off his performance last year. Not only was Simmons not happy about the lack of a deal, but he was also relatively vocal about his displeasure. I would not be surprised at all if Simmons' and Dedmon's attitudes toward PATFO rubbed off on Anderson -- and maybe players we don't even know about. Hell, Hanga wasn't too happy either, and Adam put in about as much time as any player who's never played for SA can.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol 99 percent of the posters here manage to have opinions not horrible enough to get censored. Keep fighting the man, though.
I'm sure they gave you the keys to the think tank because of your incredible eye for talent :lol

You kneel, but it ain't in protest.

[TimDunkem]

Fathead better than T.J. Warren. At what? Passing up shots? God Chinook's player evaluation is always so horrible. :lol

[Chinook]

Fathead better than T.J. Warren. At what? Passing up shots? God Chinook's player evaluation is always so horrible. :lol

Keep telling us how LMA got traded in the summer. TJ Warren is a net-negative player. Anyone who can see past points could tel that.

:lol can't read more than one number but still tries to criticize other players.

[Chinook]

I'm sure they gave you the keys to the think tank because of your incredible eye for talent :lol

You kneel, but it ain't in protest.

:lol jealous over that shit of all things.

Do you want me to start a thread over there for you or something? You just have to ask.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm sure they gave you the keys to the think tank because of your incredible eye for talent :lol

You kneel, but it ain't in protest.

Yeah the guy has always been piss poor at evaluating talent, he always seems to be way off the mark.:lol

Need to stick to CBA or something.

[TimDunkem]

Keep telling us how LMA got traded in the summer. TJ Warren is a net-negative player. Anyone who can see past points could tel that.

:lol can't read more than one number but still tries to criticize other players.
The guy is being asked to contribute greatly night in and night out. Put your pathetic Fathead in his spot and he wouldn't fair any better. Replace Kyle with TJ Warren and Kawhi would actually have a legitimate backup rather than Kyle who is so bad at that position, he needs to be moved to power forward to hide all his deficiencies as a 3. :lol

Can't wait until Kyle is out of the league so shitty talent evaluators like you can finally stop talking about him.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah the guy has always been piss poor at evaluating talent, he always seems to be way off the mark.:lol

Need to stick to CBA or something.
It's nuts. You expect a wrong take here or there, but he is consistently wrong about every player he evaluates.

[Nathan89]

He has had 3 off-seasons now to get his body strong enough to play the 4 and gives the team passing and IQ at the position.

It's all going to come down to if he can/will shoot the 3 at 35%+ and not hesitate. If he can do that then maybe he could start on a bad team

The Anderson / Bertan's battle will be interesting to watch but i have Bertans ahead by a long way.

Bertans can't play defense for shit. He's not ahead of ka.

[RD2191]

It's nuts. You expect a wrong take here or there, but he is consistently wrong about every player he evaluates.

Chinook is good people but you're right. :lol

[ceds]

Bertans can't play defense for shit. He's not ahead of ka.


and the other cannot space the floor so it's pick your poison until we know which of the two has improved on his weakness more then the other and can win the spot.

The competition can only be a good thing right & hopefully pushes them both.

Maybe you missed my following post so ill attach it for you


Quote Originally Posted by ceds
I agree that Pop will probably go with Anderson because of the defense. we have 2 flawed players really.

Anderson - Has the defense, IQ and now the strength to play 4 but needs to learn shoot the 3 to make it.
Bertan's - Lights out shooter with a quick release, creates on closeouts but Isn't strong enough to hold his position which really hurts his rebounding and defense.

The reason i like Bertan's chances for turning out to be the better player and improving his weakness more is because he is deceptively athletic and has a toughness about him (remember him sticking up for a teammate a pushing the bucks center who is twice his size). My hope is that once he fills out and gets stronger over the next 2 years it will translate into better defense and rebounding but at the end of the day he will make his living as a more athletic Ryan Anderson if everything works out.

I really hope Kyle brings it this season and if he can stretch the floor then it really helps us against G/S more then anything Bertan's could do. It's just the reason i have doubts is because he's worked with chip for 3 years to quicken his release and not hesitate open looks yet we still see the same thing. This has to be the make or break season for him right?

[SAGirl]

I am not going to say that Kyle and PATFO didn't talk about his extension, but that really seems like one of multiple possibilities. The Spurs not offering an extension now is not the same thing as them not wanting to pay him. It's simply too hard to know what he's worth without knowing if he can hold down a solid rotation spot. The current RFA market seems to underscore that Kyle may well not get what he wants from anyone next summer. If anything, he should feel more confident in SA holding his rights than a team that wouldn't let him go if he legitimately gets priced out of the Spurs' plans.

I really think it could be Simmons related more than extension. He and Jon are supposedly really tight, and Simmons (very, very mistakenly) felt that he deserved big money off his performance last year. Not only was Simmons not happy about the lack of a deal, but he was also relatively vocal about his displeasure. I would not be surprised at all if Simmons' and Dedmon's attitudes toward PATFO rubbed off on Anderson -- and maybe players we don't even know about. Hell, Hanga wasn't too happy either, and Adam put in about as much time as any player who's never played for SA can.
You have a good point. A good amount is my own interpretation and assumptions for sure.

His view can be colored by the experiences of others close to him. Kyle and J.Simms are really close. What was actually revealing to me was hearing J.Simms talk about Kyle, he has him in high esteem. That told me more about how close they are than the times Kyle spoke about his friend. They were tight, went to lunch together, hung out, etc. It's also the Shabazz Mohammed thing. They were also close. Shabazz declined an extension is my belief but gambled wrongly and ended up shafted. Jamychal Green and Kyle are not necessarily as close as those two but they do know each other from the dleague and summer league. Green got shafted by Memphis. Then the Hanga thing. Potentially borderline egregious bc Hanga said Spurs backed out of a deal. Then you look around at others: Montiejunas for example.

The business side of the NBA can be ugly. Kyle may have just seen enough around him from guys he knows to have wisened up. It was the comment about his own livelihood that told me maybe it's hitting closer to home. Also PATFO has no incentive to sign him now, nor did I expect it either. I doubt they even made an offer, and if they did it has to be downright insulting. They just don't have incentive to want to resign him right now and have a lot of other team concerns. But I don't think he expects to stay in the team. I admit that's my own leap. I am almost convinced he's leaving, that's why I suggested trades. He reminds me of Cojo in many aspects not as players, but in regards to solid play and team situation.

[SAGirl]

The guy is being asked to contribute greatly night in and night out. Put your pathetic Fathead in his spot and he wouldn't fair any better. Replace Kyle with TJ Warren and Kawhi would actually have a legitimate backup rather than Kyle who is so bad at that position, he needs to be moved to power forward to hide all his deficiencies as a 3. :lol

Can't wait until Kyle is out of the league so shitty talent evaluators like you can finally stop talking about him.
The point was that Warren is a talented scorer but that's all he is an he's a very bad shooter and defender. He could nit start for this team due to those two things and if he was in last year's team he would have had trouble fitting in. I don't think he would have had a better season than Simmons, who's a poor shooter too, but better defender and passer. Warren wouldn't have been statpadding like he did in the Suns who were awful. He would never have gotten that extension he got if he played in the Spurs IMO. You can disagree but we'd never know as this is all hypothetical. His numbers and stats would have been depressed, he'd play off the ball with Manu, there would be a couple of bigs in the paint with Dedmon and Lee there, etc. He might even gotten benchings from Pop due to bad defense, etc. He'd have a scoring outburst here or there but not often either.

[TimDunkem]

The point was that Warren is a talented scorer but that's all he is an he's a very bad shooter and defender. He could nit start for this team due to those two things and if he was in last year's team he would have had trouble fitting in. I don't think he would have had a better season than Simmons, who's a poor shooter too, but better defender and passer. Warren wouldn't have been statpadding like he did in the Suns who were awful. He would never have gotten that extension he got if he played in the Spurs IMO. You can disagree but we'd never know as this is all hypothetical. His numbers and stats would have been depressed, he'd play off the ball with Manu, there would be a couple of bigs in the paint with Dedmon and Lee there, etc. He might even gotten benchings from Pop due to bad defense, etc. He'd have a scoring outburst here or there but not often either.
That's all well and good, but you take far too much stock in a players defensive play on the fucking Suns of all teams. You think Kyle would be the same defender had he been drafted by Phoenix? You'd think as someone who has watched the improvement of LaMarcus Aldridge into one of the best defenders at the 4 in the league would recognize this.

[TimDunkem]

Give T.J. Warren Gregg Popovich and Chip Engelland, and I guarantee you he's leagues above Fathead.

[SAGirl]

That's all well and good, but you take far too much stock in a players defensive play on the fucking Suns of all teams. You think Kyle would be the same defender had he been drafted by Phoenix? You'd think as someone who has watched the improvement of LaMarcus Aldridge into one of the best defenders at the 4 in the league would recognize this.
No. You have good points but he rebounds well and blocks shots and steals. Those are a factor of having good and quick hands he'd do that everywhere. But I am sure his overall numbers statistically would suffer some. Sun's don't have a good enough system to cover deficiencies if their guys.

[SAGirl]

Give T.J. Warren Gregg Popovich and Chip Engelland, and I guarantee you he's leagues above Fathead.
Maybe I said this is hypothetical. We shall never know. But Spurs system and aura tend to get credited for the improvement of their players too much, to the degree the players are slighted. Warren has also been injured a lot his last couple of seasons. I don't know that he'd be able to improve that much.

[TimDunkem]

No. You have good points but he rebounds well and blocks shots and steals. Those are a factor of having good and quick hands he'd do that everywhere. But I am sure his overall numbers statistically would suffer some. Sun's don't have a good enough system to cover deficiencies if their guys.
Warren has the tools to defend too although we don't know how good he could be since he's on the Suns. Also, the difference in their ability to rebound is negligible. Kyle's passing game is his only true advantage over Warren.

We can agree to disagree though, but I maintain that, if their teams were reversed, you'd see a much better player in Warren on the Spurs.

[SAGirl]

Warren has the tools to defend too although we don't know how good he could be since he's on the Suns. Also, the difference in their ability to rebound is negligible. Kyle's passing game is his only true advantage over Warren.

We can agree to disagree though, but I maintain that, if their teams were reversed, you'd see a much better player in Warren on the Spurs.
Fair enough. It can't be disproven anyways. You know some guys who could technically be better defensively never quite become plus defenders. It's just how it is.

[TimDunkem]

Maybe I said this is hypothetical. We shall never know. But Spurs system and aura tend to get credited for the improvement of their players too much, to the degree the players are slighted. Warren has also been injured a lot his last couple of seasons. I don't know that he'd be able to improve that much.I disagree with this too. Some players can't be helped. Still, I think the Spurs get the most out of their guys for the most part. All players who join up say as much, and you can see it every year with the production they get out of their bench and bottom of the barrel guys like D-League Green.

[SAGirl]

I disagree with this too. Some players can't be helped. Still, I think the Spurs get the most out of their guys for the most part. All players who join up say as much, and you can see it every year with the production they get out of their bench and bottom of the barrel guys like D-League Green.
There are guys who get lost, don't have good instincts, etc. I can't say Warren is one bc I don't watch his team enough. But there's a reason whyy despite playing in the same Spurs system there are guys that are better than others defensively even in the same team. Some guys have a good instinct to block a shot, steal a ball, Danny in transition just has a good instinct on how to defuse a play. Enough that it stands out. There are other perimeter players in the team with the same system but are not as effective as he is at that. That's what I mean when I say the system gets credited for too much. But I am sure Warren would benefit from playing in the Spurs system. How much? I don't know.

[Chinook]

The guy is being asked to contribute greatly night in and night out. Put your pathetic Fathead in his spot and he wouldn't fair any better. Replace Kyle with TJ Warren and Kawhi would actually have a legitimate backup rather than Kyle who is so bad at that position, he needs to be moved to power forward to hide all his deficiencies as a 3. :lol

Can't wait until Kyle is out of the league so shitty talent evaluators like you can finally stop talking about him.

:lol Warren contributes to a shitty team. Great analysis there. Guess you're going to tell us how TJ McConnell and Joe Harris are good too.

This has been a hard off-season on all of us Spurs fans, but you seemed to have cracked the most under the strain out of anyone here.

[Chinook]

I disagree with this too. Some players can't be helped. Still, I think the Spurs get the most out of their guys for the most part. All players who join up say as much, and you can see it every year with the production they get out of their bench and bottom of the barrel guys like D-League Green.

Your problem is that you think the Spurs "make" players when they don't. Green was a great college player whose skill-set hasn't changed much since he was at UNC. It's not like they took a bad shooter and defender and turned him into a three-and-D guy. His best shooting improvement came during the lockout. Teams can certainly misuse player (like Cleveland did with Green) but putting Danny in a role to best use his talents is not the same thing as making guys seem better than they are.

A dude like Warren doesn't have a role-player skill-set. He has combo-forward size and NBA athleticism. But that's not remotely hard to find. He doesn't shoot well, has no defensive fundamentals and doesn't seem to have much in the way of BBIQ. In order for Pop to even play Warren, TJ would have to change his game away from his strengths and develop his weaknesses. It's like a Bizarro Green.

What makes your assertion even weaker is that you don't seem to realize that PATFO actively avoids players like Warren. They don't go for guys with bad skills to develop. That's why they passed on KJ McDaniels and Jerami Grant in the 2013 draft. The key to the Spurs' success is not Pop the coach turning shit into gold. It's Pop the PoBO finding players who already fit what he wants to do and bringing them in. Give the Spurs the 14th pick in 2014, and they probably draft Nurkic or even Anderson over Warren.

[ElNono]

I'm not going to prejudge, tbh... gonna give him a little time to see his improvement...























































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[TimDunkem]

Oh God...A lot of diarrhea here but, then again, that's typical of Chinook's player analysis.

:lol Warren contributes to a shitty team. Great analysis there. Guess you're going to tell us how TJ McConnell and Joe Harris are good too.

Good job missing the point, jackass. Warren is asked to do a lot for the Suns. Perhaps too much for this point in his development. He's not a star by any means, but he still contributes and helps them win games. It doesn't help that he's surrounded by other bad defenders. I won't say he's going to be a star. I won't even say he's a good defender even if he has the tools and quick hands - something I've noticed after watching a lot of Suns games last season, mostly for Booker - but he can win you games with a great combination of scoring ability (specifically as a pick-and-roll ball-handler and cuts to the basket scoring at 1.42 points per possession and .81 points per possession, respectively, putting him right next to Wiggins in both categories), rebounding (only two less rebounds per 36 than Fathead), and passing (again, not where Fathead is right now, but you can see flashes as a ball-handler if you actually watch the games). He is unique at his position. He isn't just a combo forward with no skills.

I'd love to see how well Fathead would play starting for the Suns, especially if he was coming off of injuries early in the season then bounce back to average around 17 points, almost 8 boards a game, plus a block and steal on 56% shooting over a 7 week period to end the season like Warren did.


This has been a hard off-season on all of us Spurs fans, but you seemed to have cracked the most under the strain out of anyone here.

Riiight. I guess you've missed all the posts about people wanting Pop fired, or Kawhi needing to leave to California. I think you just needed something to add to your worthless post and, per usual with any Chinook post, added said fluff like the windbag you are.


Your problem is that you think the Spurs "make" players when they don't. Green was a great college player whose skill-set hasn't changed much since he was at UNC. It's not like they took a bad shooter and defender and turned him into a three-and-D guy. His best shooting improvement came during the lockout. Teams can certainly misuse player (like Cleveland did with Green) but putting Danny in a role to best use his talents is not the same thing as making guys seem better than they are.

Uh what? I didn't even say that. I said the Spurs get the most out of the players they have. And Cleveland didn't "misuse" Green, idiot. They didn't use him at all. You also seem to be forgetting that Green was cut from this team before he stuck. Obviously, he wasn't a finished product before that.


A dude like Warren doesn't have a role-player skill-set. He has combo-forward size and NBA athleticism. But that's not remotely hard to find. He doesn't shoot well, has no defensive fundamentals and doesn't seem to have much in the way of BBIQ. In order for Pop to even play Warren, TJ would have to change his game away from his strengths and develop his weaknesses. It's like a Bizarro Green.

Already dispelled the myth that he has no skill-set which you're obviously trying to push to backup your stupid notion that Fathead is the better basketball player. As for the Spurs needing to "change his game and develop his strengths", that seems like yet ANOTHER thing you just spit out to fluff up your post once again. Man, you're a consistently bad talent evaluator and total windbag...but you're consistent. I'll give you that.

Yes, Warren's defense needs work. Yes, his shot needs work. Then again, so does that wuss Fathead who doesn't even take them. With that said, Warren would fit well as a Spur provided Chip could improve his shot - though Warren isn't as bad as stats would leave you to believe since he didn't get many opportunities to shoot corner threes which are the easiest 3pt shot because the Suns offense simply didn't open up many of those (try watching the games, faggot) - which would also go a long way to making him an even deadlier wing player. You wouldn't have to "change his game". As I already said, he's a good ball-handler, capable passer, and great cutter. I guess those don't work in the Spurs offense, right?

I guess you also forget that Pop hasn't even played Kyle as a point forward (who struggled with his shot) which was his strength in college, or an iso scorer (which he did well in SL). Fathead hasn't been able to contribute that way at an NBA, and that's why Pop has slowly turned him into a small ball big who can occasionally pass and shoot the three while guys like Jonathon Simmons and Davis Bertans last year too many of his minutes. So much for not taking away strengths and developing weaknesses, huh? Idiot...Funny that you would call Anderson a complete prospect in other threads too since that only serves my point that Anderson's ceiling and, as a player overall, is lower than Warren's who isn't finished developing at all.


What makes your assertion even weaker is that you don't seem to realize that PATFO actively avoids players like Warren. They don't go for guys with bad skills to develop. That's why they passed on KJ McDaniels and Jerami Grant in the 2013 draft. The key to the Spurs' success is not Pop the coach turning shit into gold. It's Pop the PoBO finding players who already fit what he wants to do and bringing them in.

:lol K.J. McDaniels and Jerami Grant. Could you provide any worse examples? K.J. wasn't even a first round talent and is just an athlete who runs the floor, while Jerami is simply an athletic 3-4 who competes on defense. They're hardly the player T.J. is. He has skills whether you recognize it or not. Maybe if you watch the games instead of sitting around on your computer playing with yourself while reading the CBA and surfing basketball reference all day, you would know that.


Give the Spurs the 14th pick in 2014, and they probably draft Nurkic or even Anderson over Warren.
Probably not but, if they did, Buford and Co. are even worse drafters than some of the pessimists here say. Then again, I wouldn't even be shocked if that did happen. Buford is the guy who wanted Valanciunas over everyone else in 2011 after all. :lmao

[Chinook]

Oh God...A lot of diarrhea here

Then you proceed to give really terrible rebuttals.


Good job missing the point, jackass. Warren is asked to do a lot for the Suns. Perhaps too much for this point in his development. He's not a star by any means, but he still contributes and helps them win games.

No, the point is that Warren doesn't help win games, which is one of the many reasons the Suns didn't really win games. He's a net-negative player.


It doesn't help that he's surrounded by other bad defenders. I won't say he's going to be a star. I won't even say he's a good defender even if he has the tools and quick hands - something I've noticed after watching a lot of Suns games last season, mostly for Booker - but he can win you games with a great combination of scoring ability (specifically as a pick-and-roll ball-handler and cuts to the basket scoring at 1.42 points per possession and .81 points per possession, respectively, putting him right next to Wiggins in both categories), rebounding (only two less rebounds per 36 than Fathead), and passing (again, not where Fathead is right now, but you can see flashes as a ball-handler if you actually watch the games). He is unique at his position. He isn't just a combo forward with no skills.

This is an honest attempt at discussion, so I'll respond in kind.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGRujRPUAAA6KZN.jpg

He was good in the two categories you listed. He was terrible spotting up (which was important to his playability) and isoing (which is important if you're going to act like he's a great scorer).

My guess is you didn't look, but Kyle was in the 98th percentile in iso scoring. He was also in the 76th percentile in PnR handing (the stat you tried to use to pump Warren up). He was indeed low on cuts (47th percentile) and only slightly better at spotting up (37th percentile). I'd say Kyle's a better scorer due to his ability to get his own shot, but I'm willing to call it a push in terms of scoring diversity.

Two rebounds per 36 is a whole lot, especially considering that Anderson spent only 10 percent of his minutes as a big while Warren spent 30. The Spurs are also a great rebounding team, so Anderson had more competition for boards.


Riiight. I guess you've missed all the posts about people wanting Pop fired, or Kawhi needing to leave to California. I think you just needed something to add to your worthless post and, per usual with any Chinook post, added said fluff like the windbag you are.

Nah, most of those guys would do that anyway. May as well have tried to use me defending Green as an example.


Uh what? I didn't even say that. I said the Spurs get the most out of the players they have. And Cleveland didn't "misuse" Green, idiot. They didn't use him at all. You also seem to be forgetting that Green was cut from this team before he stuck. Obviously, he wasn't a finished product before that.

You said it when you argued that Warren would be a better player if he played for the Spurs.


Give T.J. Warren Gregg Popovich and Chip Engelland, and I guarantee you he's leagues above Fathead.

Anyway, the Cavs totally misused Green by not putting him in a three-and-D role. They cut him the next summer in favor of guys who didn't have NBA skill-sets but probably had more independent games. The Spurs cut Green because of his attitude. He fixed his attitude and begged Pop to bring him back. Too small of sample size, but his numbers from his first stint were at least as good as those after he came back.


Most of the rest of this is shitty insults to try to cover up nothing but a strange interest in net-negative Warren. But to parse:


Already dispelled the myth that he has no skill-set

Which of course wasn't what I said. I said a role-player skill-set. When you later say:


Yes, Warren's defense needs work. Yes, his shot needs work.

you are agreeing with me. Who gives a fuck if he can run a PnR? He's a combo-forward. He wasn't going to have to ball in his hands anyway. That wasn't going to be his role.


You wouldn't have to "change his game". As I already said, he's a good ball-handler, capable passer, and great cutter. I guess those don't work in the Spurs offense, right?

It's funny, because you said that like it was a good point. No, they don't need tenth men doing that shit (and yes, you were advocating for him being the 10th man, as Kawhi's backup has been for the past couple of years). Passing is nice, but only for secondary or tertiary action. Cutting is nice, but if he can't shoot his cutting won't be as beneficial.


I guess you also forget that Pop hasn't even played Kyle as a point forward

No one's forgotten that. His ball-handling and passing have remained relatively constrained parts in his game that he only brings out when he has no choice. It's all the more reason why you assuming he'd struggle in a bigger role on a bad team is weird. He's a good iso scorer and play-maker. Put him on a team where he has to be a top option, and he'd be much closer to the summer-league and college player. TJ Warren with great defense and better passing? Probably.


Funny that you would call Anderson a complete prospect in other threads

The only funny part is that you thought complete meant finished rather than well-rounded. Saying a guy has a complete game doesn't mean he can't get better.


K.J. McDaniels and Jerami Grant. Could you provide any worse examples?

I assume then that you didn't want them over Anderson in 2014? Anyway, neither of those guys are terrible players. KJ was a good defender but a bit of a head case, while Grant is a serviceable rim-protecting big. If either had the Pop boost you've been assuming, they should both have higher ceilings than Anderson.

[TimDunkem]

No, the point is that Warren doesn't help win games, which is one of the many reasons the Suns didn't really win games. He's a net-negative player.
It's a matter of circumstance. Warren is on a bad team, a team that doesn't put him in great positions to score and do his thing, but he still makes the most of it because he's great at taking advantage of what he's given within the Suns poorly run offense. The almost universal opinion on Warren is that he's a great piece on the Suns though he would be better suited on a team that focuses on defense, with coaches that can help him grow, and shooters that can supplant his shooting ability while he improves on that end. He is a legitimate contributor. You can't deny that.


This is an honest attempt at discussion, so I'll respond in kind.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGRujRPUAAA6KZN.jpg

He was good in the two categories you listed. He was terrible spotting up (which was important to his playability) and isoing (which is important if you're going to act like he's a great scorer).
Warren isn't that kind of scorer. In fact I never said he was a SCORER, per se, rather than someone who has unique scoring abilities that allow him to put up points if used properly. Ways that are much more efficient than a player like Fathead who is either too afraid to shoot open looks which puts the offense in a bad position, almost never takes advantages of size mismatches, or doesn't have the physical ability to score on physical or athletic players. As for his jump shot, I already covered that. He isn't a great shooter, but it doesn't help that the Suns offense is not getting him good open looks. Watch the games and you will see that.


My guess is you didn't look, but Kyle was in the 98th percentile in iso scoring. He was also in the 76th percentile in PnR handing (the stat you tried to use to pump Warren up). He was indeed low on cuts (47th percentile) and only slightly better at spotting up (37th percentile). I'd say Kyle's a better scorer due to his ability to get his own shot, but I'm willing to call it a push in terms of scoring diversity.
Except Kyle is poor at getting his own shot against good players. Warren is going up against starters night after night. The only time Kyle ever actually converts when he takes that rare shot in iso is on poor defenders, or bench players. And, as I've already said, he still rarely ever takes advantage of his match-ups.


Two rebounds per 36 is a whole lot, especially considering that Anderson spent only 10 percent of his minutes as a big while Warren spent 30. The Spurs are also a great rebounding team, so Anderson had more competition for boards. Kyle wasn't playing a whole lot of minutes with Pau or Aldridge as a big, and the Suns were just as good of a rebounding team, so your point is moot. If you still want to claim that Anderson is a better rebounder, that's fine, but the difference is negligible especially when Warren has proven to provide much more than just that.


You said it when you argued that Warren would be a better player if he played for the Spurs.
No, Chinook, I did not say that the Spurs "make" players, or that they would "make" Warren a great player. I said they get the most out of the players they have, pointed out that most would agree that Warren a good player, and stated that he is a better than Fathead right now. All I've been saying is, if you put him on the Spurs, they will get even more out of him than they have gotten out of Fathead.



Anyway, the Cavs totally misused Green by not putting him in a three-and-D role. They cut him the next summer in favor of guys who didn't have NBA skill-sets but probably had more independent games. The Spurs cut Green because of his attitude. He fixed his attitude and begged Pop to bring him back. Too small of sample size, but his numbers from his first stint were at least as good as those after he came back.
Again, they didn't use him at all. Cavs certainly missed the boat on Green, but you can't say they misused him when putting him ahead of guys in the rotation who were just as good, if not better, in the same role. He wasn't ready. He obviously wasn't ready with the Spurs, be it for attitude reasons or otherwise. You think he would've been the same player he is now with anyone else? Clearly, Danny needed the guidance of Pop.


Most of the rest of this is shitty insults to try to cover up nothing but a strange interest in net-negative Warren. But to parse:
No fascination other than with how someone like you who could be knowledgeable in technical, financial aspects of the league can be so bad in evaluating talent. Can't be good at everything, I suppose.



you are agreeing with me. Who gives a fuck if he can run a PnR? He's a combo-forward. He wasn't going to have to ball in his hands anyway. That wasn't going to be his role.
You sure are short-sighted. I already pointed out that he doesn't need the ball in his hands to score although, if he did, he has the tools. Again, you don't think a player that is great at reading the defense and great at finishing at the basket can't contribute as a role player?

And - no - we don't agree. Fathead isn't better than T.J. Warren.


funny, because you said that like it was a good point. No, they don't need tenth men doing that shit (and yes, you were advocating for him being the 10th man, as Kawhi's backup has been for the past couple of years). Passing is nice, but only for secondary or tertiary action. Cutting is nice, but if he can't shoot his cutting won't be as beneficial.

Another short-sighted response. There were plenty of non-shooters throughout league history who were great cutters on teams that could take advantage of that. Good thing you aren't a coach as you obviously like to pigeonhole guys into a role, and would be damn awful at taking advantages of your player's strengths.

You can easy take advantage of a guy like T.J.'s passing and ability to read defenses as well as his strengths as a cutter. You would think as someone who is a fan of a good shooting team with players that can command a lot of attention such as Kawhi fucking Leonard, Parker, Manu, Aldridge, Gay, etc, that you would understand that Warren's chances to take advantage of his strengths would go up exponentially.



No one's forgotten that. His ball-handling and passing have remained relatively constrained parts in his game that he only brings out when he has no choice. It's all the more reason why you assuming he'd struggle in a bigger role on a bad team is weird. He's a good iso scorer and play-maker. Put him on a team where he has to be a top option, and he'd be much closer to the summer-league and college player. TJ Warren with great defense and better passing? Probably. :lol Probably not. Kyle is not on T.J.'s level as someone who can take advantage of what the defense gives him, and bogs down the offense due to his methodical style, lack of confidence, and just the fact that he is so damn slow. This is important on the SUNS (you know, not just any bad team, but the team we are talking about here), who need you to contribute on offense. This is in fact Spurstalk's biggest gripe with Kyle. Hello? Again, do you even watch the games?




Saying a guy has a complete game doesn't mean he can't get better.
So, then why would Warren not be a better player than he is now on the Spurs? You never acknowledged the defensive-minded culture, Pop, and coaching staff factor. Kyle has had the benefit of that now and struggles to get consistent minutes over the Jonathon Simmons and Davis Bertans of the world.



I assume then that you didn't want them over Anderson in 2014? Anyway, neither of those guys are terrible players. KJ was a good defender but a bit of a head case, while Grant is a serviceable rim-protecting big. If either had the Pop boost you've been assuming, they should both have higher ceilings than Anderson.

K.J. is a fringe NBA player and isn't a good example.

And, at the time, no, but I'd take Jerami right now over Kyle Anderson because Kyle's only clear role in the NBA is as a small ball big, which Jerami is certainly much better at. I'll take a defensive, rim-protecting big who is improving his shot over a guy who is a jack of all trades but master of none who doesn't even have the balls to take the shots he does get.

:lol God Fathead fucking sucks.

[tholdren]

Meeelllllllllllltttttdoooooownnnnnn for 25 paragraphs

[TimDunkem]

Stalkiiiiiing going on 3 months now.

[Chinook]

Stalkiiiiiing going on 3 months now.

I hope you understand why I wouldn't quote that whole response. We'd be getting into silly territory.

You're coming across much more reasonably in most of your responses. I can respect that and even say that I came off as too strongly against Warren. He perhaps has strengths that would make him more generally useful, especially if he can get a shot. I'm not willing to call him James Johnson 2.0, but something like Markieff without the ability to play the five could be in his future. That's not useless. That said, for all the credit Chip gets for fixing shots, he likely deserves more for knowing if shots can be fixed. I will admit I'm not a shooting specialist and haven't watched TJ enough to know if he has something broken.

So that said: Kyle played most of his minutes with two of Pau, LMA, Lee or Dedmon. The latter three bigs were among the best in the league in rebound rate, especially Lee and Dedmon. The competition was much better than you seem to have assumed. Anyway, no, the Spurs were a MUCH better rebounding team, especially if we isolate defensive boards (since the Spurs don't go for offensive rebounds much as part of their scheme). And two more rebounds again is a huge difference. We're talking about 40ish percent more production. And trying to down play that as like the only thing Anderson does better is wrong, as Kyle is ahead in almost every stat other than scoring.

How many wings with bad shots do you recall the Spurs playing recently? I can't think of any except maybe Jack. They clearly go for guys with the skills they want already rather than looking at raw talent. You can argue Simmons and Murray as counterpoints, but they let Jonathon without much of a fight, and we'll have to see what happens to Murray. They seemed really reluctant to use him so far. And before you mention Anderson, remember that he shot 48 percent from three his final year at UCLA. His struggles came up in the NBA and have absolutely affected his playing time. It wasn't an obvious thing he was lacking in his game coming into the league.

I think most people who don't just think Anderson sucks think he's too passive and defers too much. That's not a problem on the Suns, just as it hasn't been anywhere else Kyle plays. I would fully expect him to be aggressive on the Suns. What is fact is that he is statistically elite in multiple categories, which isn't something you can say about Warren. If Anderson just sucked, it wouldn't be frustrating. But he clearly doesn't suck and instead doesn't play up to his talents. You see a guy who scored on Draymond pretty much any time he wanted to, and you wonder why he didn't "want to" more. Or a guy who made a lot of plays with the shot clock running out when he couldn't defer.

[SAGirl]

I think most people who don't just think Anderson sucks think he's too passive and defers too much. That's not a problem on the Suns, just as it hasn't been anywhere else Kyle plays. I would fully expect him to be aggressive on the Suns. What is fact is that he is statistically elite in multiple categories, which isn't something you can say about Warren. If Anderson just sucked, it wouldn't be frustrating. But he clearly doesn't suck and instead doesn't play up to his talents. You see a guy who scored on Draymond

pretty much any time he wanted to, and you wonder why he didn't "want to" more. Or a guy who made a lot of plays with the shot clock running out when he couldn't defer.


Only in the playoffs did he feel like he needed to score and get buckets bc the team was pressed for scoring from anywhere. He also had a lot of buckets in end of shot clock situations in 2016. That season ppl remarked that the only time he'd shoot was when there was no time for anything else. He got a lot of his buckets that way that season.

Anyways, I have said it b4 that he has the Bobo gene... not the rotundness or athleticism (Boris was a tremendous athlete we all know that and I am putting it out there so ppl understand what I mean). They have or had a style that like to be too pass happy. Bobo himself said back in 2014 or so that needs teammates, he was expected to score for Charlotte and instead would get this passive thing that got him all the way to the doghouse and almost out of the league b4 Pop rescued him. Kyle has the same gene that enjoys passing just way too much. I think the dleague and summer league should have helped him to increase aggressiveness. He did have it at that level.

But then, something he mentioned in that video. Taking the challenge to play against NBA athletes, that is why he worked out in the summer with the guys that he did... and he wanted to take that challenge to be ready for the season. The amount of time that he's been benched has deprived him of the opportunities to get better. Playing in summer league and the dleague at this point for him doesn't help. He has to take up that challenge. He would have had it at least since his second season in a bad team like the Suns. Swim or sink, taking up the challenge wouldn't be an issue on his 4th season. I'd say he took the challenge well in the playoffs. He has to come in with that same mentality.

[Blake]

Good lord the walls of text here are impressive.

[SAGirl]

oh blake.. you have been away... can't say I missed you. :lol

[rjv]

Good lord the walls of text here are impressive. indeed. political forum type stuff.

[skulls138]

Only in the playoffs did he feel like he needed to score and get buckets bc the team was pressed for scoring from anywhere. He also had a lot of buckets in end of shot clock situations in 2016. That season ppl remarked that the only time he'd shoot was when there was no time for anything else. He got a lot of his buckets that way that season.

Anyways, I have said it b4 that he has the Bobo gene... not the rotundness or athleticism (Boris was a tremendous athlete we all know that and I am putting it out there so ppl understand what I mean). They have or had a style that like to be too pass happy. Bobo himself said back in 2014 or so that needs teammates, he was expected to score for Charlotte and instead would get this passive thing that got him all the way to the doghouse and almost out of the league b4 Pop rescued him. Kyle has the same gene that enjoys passing just way too much. I think the dleague and summer league should have helped him to increase aggressiveness. He did have it at that level.

But then, something he mentioned in that video. Taking the challenge to play against NBA athletes, that is why he worked out in the summer with the guys that he did... and he wanted to take that challenge to be ready for the season. The amount of time that he's been benched has deprived him of the opportunities to get better. Playing in summer league and the dleague at this point for him doesn't help. He has to take up that challenge. He would have had it at least since his second season in a bad team like the Suns. Swim or sink, taking up the challenge wouldn't be an issue on his 4th season. I'd say he took the challenge well in the playoffs. He has to come in with that same mentality.I guess. He also seems to have the "take it for granted" gene. He mentioned that he felt that way going from HS to college, but I feel hes doing it with the Spurs too. I think hes slow in multiple ways including getting used to the NBA. Simmons just passed him right by and KAs better. I hope he gets one more good chance with the Spurs this year

[tholdren]

Stalkiiiiiing going on 3 months now.

Booooooo hoooooooooo please continue 25 paragraphs worth of tears.... wajhhhhhhh

[TimDunkem]

....please continue 25 paragraphs worth of tears....
https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1342905514/381/7325381.jpg

[tholdren]

Hook line sinker sup

[TimDunkem]

Hook line sinker sup
Is that what you tell women you talk to online after you convince them to meet up with you in real life? :lol

[tholdren]

Is that what you tell women you talk to online after you convince them to meet up with you in real life? :lol

Yes

[RD2191]

Is that what you tell women you talk to online after you convince them to meet up with you in real life? :lol

:lmao :lmao

[ceds]

A part of a post of mine in another thread but is more relevant here.


Anderson is the guy i have no clue about.....i agree with many that he should start the season because if he can shoot he's a necessary piece to have in a G/S & OCK series but if he's still hesitating and he cant stretch the floor (i.e defenders still leaving him & baiting us to pass) then how much time should he be given before enough is enough going with another option (Gay/Bertan's)?. I hope Kyle come out swinging and just fire's away with no conscience....his career is on the line basically and its what we need to see from him so what's he have to lose? Aside from millions of dollars :lol If not i'd go in another direction by Feb at the latest

Curious what others think?

1) Should he start?
2) How much time is enough time?

[SAGirl]

Succinct version: I think he'll have a good season but Pop is mighty unpredictable in terms of how many minutes he'll play his two big lineups and minutes as forward for him are limited by a healthy Kawhi and Rudy. So, he will get not as many opportunities as I originally thought but within his opportunities he will play well and have a good enough season to sign elsewhere next summer. Obviously if there are injuries that changes minutes etc, but those are unpredictable and undesirable.

[ceds]

thanks for the response but you didn't address either question or the general premise of the post (i.e if he can't stretch the floor)

Why cant anyone just say what they think here?

Maybe the decision has been made already ......Think about it....If Gay is healthy i can't see him playing less then 30 mins (the majority being at the 4) right?

Bertan's just might have already won the spot for the lions share of extra mins - pure speculation.

Just Kyle looks like real sad case right now. He needs a shot of confidence...or a hug....:lol

[SAGirl]

I can't be any more specific. Right now I see Pop still wanting to play his two big lineups a lot, etc. and that limits minutes availability.

Rudy and Kawhi will get most of the forward minutes anyways among them. Bertans is a better shooter and floor spacer and LMA will still get some minutes next to Gasol or another true big. Based on limited data this early I am not forecasting him to hold down a rotation spot. POP may also try two guard lineups when going small. Bryn Forbes for example is looking too good to not play in certain scenarios if you can get away with it.

So it depends on too many factors outside of him individually for me to forecast. I do expect him to play well individually, more like he did in the playoffs and towards the end of last season. He could be an improved shooter.
But he's playing for his next contract right now. Assuming everyone is healthy and Pop still wants to play his two bigs he's going to be blocked from playing time, setting him up to look elsewhere next season much like Cojo did in 2015. That's my best forecast right now. It could change though.

[cd98]

If Anderson has fixed his offensive skills, there could be a small ball line up with Kawhi at 2, Gay at 3, and Anderson at 4.

[SAGirl]

thanks for the response but you didn't address either question or the general premise of the post (i.e if he can't stretch the floor)

Why cant anyone just say what they think here?

Maybe the decision has been made already ......Think about it....If Gay is healthy i can't see him playing less then 30 mins (the majority being at the 4) right?

Bertan's just might have already won the spot for the lions share of extra mins - pure speculation.

Just Kyle looks like real sad case right now. He needs a shot of confidence...or a hug....:lol
Bertans didn't win them last playoffs. He can get hot and is a very good shooter but he's a specialist who needs to get assisted shots. So far he's been pretty unidimensional, but the way the bench is looking he'll be fine just shooting. If you just need a floor spacer he's better. Kyle might be a better all around player.

[ceds]

i know i've made some controversial posts the last couple of days but i have only asked some really simple questions in this and another thread and you have responded with nothing posts.

1. Floor/ceiling/projection for DJ
2. The question above about Kyle

Neither of these questions is an attempt to pin anyone down or embarrass a poster.

i want your opinion

[SAGirl]

Already gave it. Maybe someone else can chime in. There were some who wanted him to start. I am of the opinion Pop still wants to play big a good amount so that limits speculation in that regard.

Edit: Pop's two big lineups may not work out. I think Kyle could earn minutes in that situation.

[ceds]

No you took the time to write something completely irrelevant to the questions i asked that probably took you longer to type in the first place.

Now i'm just getting frustrated.....

I have no agenda on this board ok people

[SAGirl]

:lol. You will be frustrated a lot then I guess.

[ceds]

That posters don't have the comprehension level required or willingness to respond to simple one sentence questions?

Yes that's a major concern and speaks for the way this board has deteriorated since the early 2000's when i was a teenager.

Your posts on these issues have been very fustrating but i know you bring knowledge to the table (i.e when you mentioned Forbes possibility of winning the camp battle) so you clearly can give me a legit take on this.

[Chinook]

That posters don't have the comprehension level required or willingness to respond to simple one sentence questions?

Yes that's a major concern and speaks for the way this board has deteriorated since the early 2000's when i was a teenager.

Your posts on these issues have been very fustrating but i know you bring knowledge to the table (i.e when you mentioned Forbes possibility of winning the camp battle) so you clearly can give me a legit take on this.

Why not start threads with polls covering your questions? That way, you can get the specific answers you seek while also being justified in asking people to stay on topic. Rob did that with his "Starting 5" thread without the poll or Bill did it with his rookie thread with the poll. It doesn't seem like what you're doing is working, whether that's because no one has interest in doing what you want or because everyone's become too stupid to answer a question, or whatever.

[ceds]

Why not start threads with polls covering your questions? That way, you can get the specific answers you seek while also being justified in asking people to stay on topic. Rob did that with his "Starting 5" thread without the poll or Bill did it with his rookie thread with the poll. It doesn't seem like what you're doing is working, whether that's because no one has interest in doing what you want or because everyone's become too stupid to answer a question, or whatever.
You see before this weekend no one would had given a fuck about any threads a poster with 300 would have started.

That is, until they saw you take a L (unless your still planning to respond in the DJ thread) ....so maybe i just will start a thread now.
It was never my intention for it to go down that way but you called me out first and then dismissed my points in multiple exchanges after i responded (with evidence and logic - not personal attacks)

Then there's when i asked about the board about starting such a thread on this very topic (in DJ's thread) i was told to keep it to each individual player shrine/thread by SA herself.

At the very least my questions are valid and hardly controversial.

Opinions from other posters on how much time to give Kyle to show if he can be a stretch the floor would be appreciated.

[Chinook]

That is, until they saw you and others take a L

:rolleyes

[ceds]

fine...waiting for you to write back on your Kyle summer L vs DJ rookie playoffs :lol

Do you really want to do this?

Note: changes the "others" to just you...since CD was smart and stayed quiet

[Chinook]

fine...waiting for you to write back on your Kyle summer L vs DJ rookie playoffs :lol

Do you really want to do this?

Note: changes the "others" to just you...since CD was smart and stayed quiet

Are you sure you were a teenager 15 years ago? You seem to be acting like one a lot since you've stopped lurking. Not replying to someone's post isn't a concession in anything other than high-school debate. And saying "I think we both know where the other stands on this, so there's no need to argue," sure isn't "taking the L". I made my points and stand by them. You've made yours and apparently stand by them. Since this topic is meaningless, there's no reason to keep rehashing the same old ground.

You keep wondering why no one is answering your questions while also prancing around like you're dominating your opposition. It seems rather obvious to me that folks just don't want to engage you, whether they see your handle's color and post count and dismiss you or are just turned off by the way you've presented yourself, you aren't getting the attention you want. cd98 apparently made the right decision "staying out of it", but not at all because he's afraid of debating you. He (I assume) and I had our own skirmish just a couple of days ago, and he stayed in there and made his points just fine.

[ceds]

i'm not even going to read the two paragraphs above.

Point is no one would have noticed a thread by a poster with my count had they not seen what transpired the last few days.

i'm not going to argue that point with you because its not basketball related and all i want is a legit discussion/take about Kyle being ale to stretch the floor so either stay on topic or fuck off.

Like i said this is clearly fustrating right now

[SAGirl]

That posters don't have the comprehension level required or willingness to respond to simple one sentence questions?

Yes that's a major concern and speaks for the way this board has deteriorated since the early 2000's when i was a teenager.

Your posts on these issues have been very fustrating but i know you bring knowledge to the table (i.e when you mentioned Forbes possibility of winning the camp battle) so you clearly can give me a legit take on this.
I'll tell you this. I'd like to see the team with Kawhi b4 saying anything definitive. I think Gasol and LMA paired together haven't been great. I thought Pop wanting to add more guards and forwards and less traditional bigs was to augment playmaking and versatility as well as shooting. So it's puzzling he's gone back to 2 bigs.

I think there's a chance with a new season he's giving Gasol dibs on starting b4 adjusting through the season if it doesn't work out (again) like last year when he decided to start Dedmon instead. I think Pop thought new season, let's give him chances again. Gasol came back slimmer to try to hold the spot. Someone at this point has to earn that starting spot from him. It's possible the best version of the team doesn't have 2 bigs. Or even if Gasol starts, others earn more minutes in less traditional lineups. I think that's Kyle's opportunity. He got to play consistently aggressive like he did in the playoffs.

It's just too difficult to forecast this early. The possibility is there for the lineups to get adjusted again but b4 the minutes going to anyone else, Pop is going to see who earn them. Possible Rudy is looking at starting opportunities too. But the others should aspire too.

[Chinook]

i'm not even going to read the two paragraphs above.

Your change in timbre clearly shows you've read it.


Point is no one would have noticed a thread by a poster with my count had they not seen what transpired the last few days.

:lol no one gives a flying fuck that you've "embarrassed" me. That didn't get you cred. Hell, even dabom couldn't get interested.


i'm not going to argue that point with you because its not basketball related and all i want is a legit discussion/take about Kyle being ale to stretch the floor so either stay on topic or fuck off.

And you would have had discussion if you presented yourself better. But keep using your post count as an excuse.


Like i said this is clearly fustrating right now

Yet you aren't willing to address any of the surrounding issues.

[ceds]

are you serious.....they are all waiting for you to write back you dumb shit.

Address the post in the DJ thread and the summer L mvp vs playoffs debate or take the Loss

and no i didn't bother to read that b/s post after i saw the first sentence and realized it had nothing to do with the topic....check the response times in posts b/w us

[Chinook]

are you serious.....they are all waiting for you to write back you dumb shit.

:rollin No, they aren't. No one gives a fuck about that debate. They all have their own opinions, and they didn't need us to direct their thoughts. As I've tried to explain (diplomatically, I might add), there's very little about most of your posts to warrant response. Some of that is because I think you're wrong. Hell, a lot of that is because I think you're wrong. But some of it is because you aren't actually saying anything different. You're just repeating your thesis. That's fine. You have have your thesis, but unless you specifically ask me to say something, I'm not going to automatically reply. I thought you were legit having problems understanding why I didn't reply, which is why I've been willing to explain it. But you just seem to be offended by it, which is a big whoop at this point.


Address the post in the DJ thread and the mvp vs ployoffs debate or take the Loss

:lol with this "taking the loss" shit.

[ceds]

whatever.....i'm likely going to lurk and occasionally post anyway so i don't care about rep. I'd be lucky to hit 500 posts by the end of the season tbh

Clearly you do.....so don't worry about the DJ thread or the kyle stretch 4 issue.

I'm starting with attacks now because this has gotten really fustrating for me... Im logging out till tmrw

[buujness]

i know i've made some controversial posts the last couple of days but i have only asked some really simple questions in this and another thread and you have responded with nothing posts.

1. Floor/ceiling/projection for DJ
2. The question above about Kyle

Neither of these questions is an attempt to pin anyone down or embarrass a poster.

i want your opinion
With regards to Kyle:

Floor: very good player in Europe
Ceiling: 2014 Boris Diaw

[Chinook]

whatever.....i'm likely going to lurk and occasionally post anyway so i don't care about rep. I'd be lucky to hit 500 posts by the end of the season tbh

Clearly you do.....so don't worry about the DJ thread or the kyle stretch 4 issue.

I'm starting with attacks now because this has gotten really fustrating for me... Im logging out till tmrw

I don't care about rep at all, which is why I apparently deigned to reply to a lowly 300-poster like you or something. And apparently, I'm willing to "take Ls" on the reg.

You evidently thought "embarrassing" me would give you the cred to post threads that people would care about. That's one of the saddest plans I've ever heard, because I have so little cred that I had a number of posters who actively discredit my posts. I'm a terrible target, as at best you'd be able to join one of those krews.

Again, you should try to act more mature if you want to get serious responses. "Attacks" won't get it done.

[SAGirl]

Heh. I took time to give you a more elaborate response. There's a lot of trolling in these boards ceds, and a fair amount if guys who use alternate accounts (pathetic). Users with low post counts ppl assume to be alternative accounts from trolls a lot. Heck ppl thought I was someone else for a very good long while. Still did up until this summer despite me posting a lot bc it's only been for a couple of years. Go figures. You don't need to stop posting but don't get frustrated if I am not going to give you minutes ans spot definitely that he will play this season which is what I think you want. I can't.
Maybe 10 minutes and see how it goes from there. I'd like to see him hold a rotation spot, but once Kawhi is back ... I don't know. It really, really depends how much Pop wants to stick to his 2 bigs for me. I don't know the answer to that.

[ceds]

I don't care about rep at all, which is why I apparently deigned to reply to a lowly 300-poster like you or something. And apparently, I'm willing to "take Ls" on the reg.

You evidently thought "embarrassing" me would give you the cred to post threads that people would care about. That's one of the saddest plans I've ever heard, because I have so little cred that I had a number of posters who actively discredit my posts. I'm a terrible target, as at best you'd be able to join one of those krews.

Again, you should try to act more mature if you want to get serious responses. "Attacks" won't get it done.

Do you always write so much about so little ? Or is this just you taking the piss?

You are right - I let you off the hook in the DJ thread by not posting the direct quote you sent to me about Klyes Summer vs DJ playoffs.

So it's clear my intention was not to embarrass you & I even stated as such in the thread.

You provoked me here....so if you DO want to be embarrassed by me then let's start the debate.

Address the debate (which you started), talk about Kyle stretch 4/ DJ projection or fuck off

[Chinook]

Do you always write so much about so little ? Or is this just you taking the piss?

You are right - I let you off the hook in the DJ thread by not posting the direct quote you sent to me about Klyes Summer vs DJ playoffs.

So it's clear my intention was not to embarrass you & I even stated as such in the thread.

You provoked me here....so if you DO want to be embarrassed by me then let's start the debate.

Address the debate (which you started), talk about Kyle stretch 4/ DJ projection or fuck off

:rolleyes Can't even keep your own promise about not responding today.

I'm not remotely embarrassed about anything I post, even when I'm wrong. I'm sorry that your self-esteem is at a point that you draw validation from a message board. I've said plenty of stuff that turned out to be wrong-headed in my time here. My first post about Kyle and DeJounte is not one of those, though.

Anyways, if you had a point in that last post that hasn't already been addressed, be free to point it out. But no, I'm not going to keep repeating the same thing over and over again just because that's what you think having a debate is about.

[ceds]

Yeah you got me ....I came back to read the thread.

Haven't read anything other then your first sentence (I have seen enough to know your posts are 80% fluff around your points) and am on my phone heading home from work.

I don't even want to talk about this bc like I said it's not relevant to any basketball discussion so please as I said in my previous post:

1). Let's start a stupid Kyle vs DJ debate which is frankly a waste of my time since the arguement is fucking stupid and it won't take me long to show you why.

2) discuss the issue that I brought up here about Kyle

3). Fuck off and leave me alone - you provoked me here. I wasn't at all this aggressive in previous exchanges until you starting acting like a bitch. Who gives a damn if you are wrong..it's a damn message board FFS

[ceds]

With regards to Kyle:

Floor: very good player in Europe
Ceiling: 2014 Boris Diaw

i missed this while talking to SA & Chinook :toast

Agree on Boris as a ceiling but probably w/out creating/scoring from the post.
Then again it wasn't until the latter years that Boris beasted in this area.

Your floor is interesting.....I agree there's a very real possibility he could be out of the league in a few years.

How many are of the opinion that if Kyle cant prove to stretch the floor this season or next that we will move on?

[ceds]

:rolleyes Can't even keep your own promise about not responding today.

I'm not remotely embarrassed about anything I post, even when I'm wrong. I'm sorry that your self-esteem is at a point that you draw validation from a message board. I've said plenty of stuff that turned out to be wrong-headed in my time here. My first post about Kyle and DeJounte is not one of those, though.
.

Because this thread has gotten personal i am willing compare FB/IG/ whatever to see who has the better life and if there's any indication of "self esteem issues"

I have no idea who you are in real life but i have no problem doing this because i am 100% confident in who i am as a person

[ceds]

Heh. I took time to give you a more elaborate response. There's a lot of trolling in these boards ceds, and a fair amount if guys who use alternate accounts (pathetic). Users with low post counts ppl assume to be alternative accounts from trolls a lot. Heck ppl thought I was someone else for a very good long while. Still did up until this summer despite me posting a lot bc it's only been for a couple of years. Go figures. You don't need to stop posting but don't get frustrated if I am not going to give you minutes ans spot definitely that he will play this season which is what I think you want. I can't.
Maybe 10 minutes and see how it goes from there. I'd like to see him hold a rotation spot, but once Kawhi is back ... I don't know. It really, really depends how much Pop wants to stick to his 2 bigs for me. I don't know the answer to that.

Maybe your not SA and i probably went overboard in my last post challenging Chinooks personal when he brought up my apparent "esteem issues"

I'd be the first to admit i have a quick fuse but FFS - i joined this thread wanting opinions on the most interesting aspect of Kyle up-coming season (will he prove to stretch the floor & not hesitate)....no agenda ....no issues with anyone....

It almost felt like you trolled me in the beginning because i've seen your posts in other threads.

If anything this has taught me i can get legit angry from an internet message board :lol

[ceds]

Because this thread has gotten personal i am willing compare FB/IG/ whatever to see who has the better life and if there's any indication of "self esteem issues"

I have no idea who you are in real life but i have no problem doing this because i am 100% confident in who i am as a person

You don't need to address this post - i got a little heated and i don't want to attack you personally. As in real life personally unless your trying to challenge me for real as "seriously" questioning my self esteem.

Even then, I'm not interested in trying to flex like that dumb-ass on the NBA board who talks about his lifestyle + posts pics w average girls.

A few other points:

- While i'm pleased i had the attention of the board during the DJ thread so posters now know i can bring a legit take to a discussion. I don't care about "rep" or joining a "knew" as you said. I certainly wont be a weekly poster on this board i can say that with 100% certainty. ive got 300 posts in 10 years..... I'll take up your advice about bolding my name & getting a sig so i stand out more when i make a post.

-Not that it matters but 15 years ago i was in children's clothes.

This is a true attempt from myself to let sleeping dogs lie and an olive branch i'm extending.

- At some point i would like to talk about Kyle in a non confrontational way at some point because its a serious question we have with him Gay/Bertans right now.

[SAGirl]

Maybe your not SA and i probably went overboard in my last post challenging Chinooks personal when he brought up my apparent "esteem issues"

I'd be the first to admit i have a quick fuse but FFS - i joined this thread wanting opinions on the most interesting aspect of Kyle up-coming season (will he prove to stretch the floor & not hesitate)....no agenda ....no issues with anyone....

It almost felt like you trolled me in the beginning because i've seen your posts in other threads.

If anything this has taught me i can get legit angry from an internet message board :lol
I understand. I wasn’t trolling you. My initial impression is that this team is crowded in farwards and there’s really a chance he doesn’t get a rotation spot this season, just based on what the rotation looks like if Pop wants to play his 2 bigs together a lot. I think he will shoot well enough to stretch the floor in most regular situations, but he’s not a sniper in the true sense (much like Boris frankly). If you play him, it would be for his entire game and not strictly for the shooting. I don’t think he’ll be out of the league next season but I already predicted he won’t be a Spur next year. That’s as much of a prediction I can give. The way things are looking he might not have a rotation spot but stil play a lot through the season bc this team does have its old dudes and will have rest games and it’s share of injuries. It’s in those opportunities that I expect him to play well. But I don’t expect him to stick around past his rookie contract to stay in a role like that.

[Ice009]

All I'm going to say is, I thought Kyle did a lot better in the playoffs and finally started playing the way he needed to. He started taking open shots (J Simmons did too) and upped his aggressiveness. I think that is half the battle with Kyle. If he can keep up that aggressiveness and shooting the ball when he's open more often than not, I think we'll start seeing a lot more of his true potential. I thought he was trash pretty much the whole time he's been here until the end of last season where he finally showed what I was looking for. Hopefully, he can build on that and really play well this upcoming season. I'm definitely willing to give him a real chance. Hopefully, Pop actually does give him one and he does well with it.

[ceds]

Thanks for bringing it back on topic :toast....As i mentioned i appreciate your posts more then anyone currently on this board. There was once a time the discussion here rivaled anything you could find online (Both Spurs & NBA related)

I'd like to share my initial thoughts/post again that have gotten lost in the last page or so.


Anderson is the guy i have no clue about.....i agree with many that he should start the season because if he can shoot he's a necessary piece to have in a G/S & OCK series but if he's still hesitating and he cant stretch the floor (i.e defenders still leaving him & baiting us to pass) then how much time should he be given before enough is enough going with another option (Gay/Bertan's)?. I hope Kyle come out swinging and just fire's away with no conscience....his career is on the line basically and its what we need to see from him so what's he have to lose? Aside from millions of dollars If not i'd go in another direction by Feb at the latest
Curious what others think?

1) Should he start?
2) How much time is enough time?


Maybe the decision has been made already ......Think about it....If Gay is healthy i can't see him playing less then 30 mins (the majority being at the 4) right?

Bertan's just might have already won the spot for the lions share of extra mins - pure speculation.

Just Kyle looks like real sad case right now. He needs a shot of confidence...or a hug....

I know that's not bringing anything more to the table but Its 2am here & i been working on something for the last 3 hrs so i need to crash out.

[dabom]

You see before this weekend no one would had given a fuck about any threads a poster with 300 would have started.

That is, until they saw you take a L (unless your still planning to respond in the DJ thread) ....so maybe i just will start a thread now.
It was never my intention for it to go down that way but you called me out first and then dismissed my points in multiple exchanges after i responded (with evidence and logic - not personal attacks)

Then there's when i asked about the board about starting such a thread on this very topic (in DJ's thread) i was told to keep it to each individual player shrine/thread by SA herself.

At the very least my questions are valid and hardly controversial.

Opinions from other posters on how much time to give Kyle to show if he can be a stretch the floor would be appreciated.

:lol

[SAGirl]

Well at least he's hungry. Appears to not only have prepared physically but mentally. Nice interview. I had never heard him talk in those terms b4 while being a Spur. He was all about staying ready for whatever Pop wanted, etc. This season it seems he's hungry for himself, for his own career.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Off-Topic-conversation-Kyle-Anderson-12246334.php#photo-12953000


What changed for you over the summer to increase your motivation?I don’t know. It’s obviously a contract year, but I’m just trying to make a name for myself. Trying to get it out there in this league. … I’m hungry. You can put it like that. Just trying to get things to go my way.
You’re entering your fourth year in this league. What have you learned about the NBA?
You’re not guaranteed anything. You can be here today and be gone tomorrow. You have to take one day at a time. It’s like a fight every day. You have to battle sometimes with your teammates. Obviously, you go to battle with them, but it’s all a grind. Nothing comes easy.

[Chinook]

Hmm, back in the day, George Hill, Malik Hairston and DeJuan Blair apparently sat down and talked with each other about how they were going to be the future of the Spurs. That didn't end up working out for them, obviously. I don't know if Anderson had that same expectation maybe with Simmons, Murray, Davis and whatnot. Maybe Simmons being let go was his first real wake-up call on that end. You don't just matriculate into vet status just because you're young. Getting better, grabbing a rotation spot, those are things that take more than time. It's about seizing your moment, not waiting your turn. He looks at his NBA mortality for the first time, and now he knows he can't just sit there and have money handed to him next summer.

[SAGirl]

Hmm, back in the day, George Hill, Malik Hairston and DeJuan Blair apparently sat down and talked with each other about how they were going to be the future of the Spurs. That didn't end up working out for them, obviously. I don't know if Anderson had that same expectation maybe with Simmons, Murray, Davis and whatnot. Maybe Simmons being let go was his first real wake-up call on that end. You don't just matriculate into vet status just because you're young. Getting better, grabbing a rotation spot, those are things that take more than time. It's about seizing your moment, not waiting your turn. He looks at his NBA mortality for the first time, and now he knows he can't just sit there and have money handed to him next summer.

It's a fine line, credit must be given to JSimms frankly. He earned that spot fair and square specially at the beginning of the season. The bench was playing just too well to mess around with. But Kyle competed for minutes well enough each time he got playing time to make it a real contest down the stretch of the season and individually he had a good playoff run. It's a conundrum for players in his situation to keep the mental edge to want to compete and manage frustration if they don't get to play. Sometimes that is out of their control. I thought he balanced that well enough and he was a professional, ready to play whenever called. This season is about earning that contract and playing time, even if it's not the Spurs. I think he has that motivation. Like I said, I never heard him talk like that so openly. I think he's going to have a good season.
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[ceds]

Chinook so now its both the DJ & Kyle shrine thread you have decided not to engage me in?


Fine..i just want to make it clear the reason i brought up post count in reference to rep is because you were clearly not interested in engaging me further on a topic i had you beaten on.

Instead ignore me in multiple DJ exchanges including the one which is most important (DJ vs Kyle - because its how you engaged with me in the thread in the first place and your initial quote) and your unwillingness to discuss the issue since you realize its now stupid.


I don't know what these reasons are for not engaging with me because there was no personal attacks in DJ's thread.... you came at me here when you saw me clearly frustrated already & provoked me.

It's you that was childish for not admitting it's a silly debate & i would have left that and your stance on giving player projections alone.

It's not embarrassing for a 300 poster to beat you in an argument - i would bet that there is at least 100+ lurkers/small posters that could easily hang with anyone here.

[ceds]

sorry i couldn't resist when i thought of this.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGJ7LnIQCo


:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Glad to read that Kyle is an even-keeled dude. Doesn't seem like he's going to be back in 2018, though. I wonder what APY it would take to extend him. Kyle is a better but significantly less accomplished player than TJ Warren, but anything approaching Warren's APY would be foolish for the team to give out now. I think it's realistic that he ends up as a long-term piece, but his salary would need to reflect the actual NBA market, not the one folks assumed was there when guys like Bazemore and Crabbe were getting maxed out.

Fathead better than T.J. Warren. At what? Passing up shots? God Chinook's player evaluation is always so horrible. :lol

:lol Warren contributes to a shitty team. Great analysis there. Guess you're going to tell us how TJ McConnell and Joe Harris are good too.

This has been a hard off-season on all of us Spurs fans, but you seemed to have cracked the most under the strain out of anyone here.
Damn, TJ Warren with 40 & 10 tonight :lol that's more points than Fathead in the last 5 games....

TimDunkem (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16114) he isn't worth Kyle Anderson money though

[TimDunkem]

Damn, TJ Warren with 40 & 10 tonight :lol that's more points than Fathead in the last 5 games....

TimDunkem (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16114) he isn't worth Kyle Anderson money though

Kyle would be warming the bench behind Warren and Jackson on the Suns, but Kyle's still a much better player than him according to Nook because Kyle's small sample size advanced stats are slightly better.

:lmao Nook's basketball takes being consistently wrong

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle would be warming the bench behind Warren and Jackson on the Suns, but Kyle's still a much better than him according to Nook because Kyle's small sample size advanced stats are slightly better.

:lmao Nook's basketball takes being consistently wrong
Never seen anything like it. He's dabom, but on roids

[TimDunkem]

Never seen anything like it. He's dabom, but on roids

The saddest part is dabom is partially schtick; Nook actually truly believes the things he says. :lol

[NASpurs]

:lmao his wikipedia says his name is Kyle F. Anderson

[dabom]

:lmao his wikipedia says his name is Kyle F. Anderson

:lmao

:lol

[TimDunkem]

:lmao his wikipedia says his name is Kyle F. Anderson

:lmao

[dabom]

Dumpster of KA.

Page 6. :lol

[Chinook]

Circle-jerk krew waiting until the team faces some adversity to come out of the woodwork. Too typical at this point.

:lol having to score 40 points to not be a net-negative.
:lol 20-percent shooter from deep even after his explosion
:cry Pop would have fixed him tho!

[TimDunkem]

There there, Nook. One day one of your basketball takes will be correct. Keep trying, bud. :lol

[Chinook]

There there, Nook. One day one of your basketball takes will be correct. Keep trying, bud. :lol

I just wonder if you're following LMA with his new team when you aren't here trying to bump TGY posts.

[TimDunkem]

I just wonder if you're following LMA with his new team when you aren't here trying to bump TGY posts.
Don't worry about me. Go ahead and tell us how Kyle is so much better again. That was a good one. :lol

[Chinook]

Don't worry about me. Go ahead and tell us how Kyle is so much better again. That was a good one. :lol

:lol Laughing about "sample size", yet crawling out of a hole after a big game to skew results

:lol Warren STILL having worse metrics than Anderson despite the game

:cry Bet he wouldn't with the Spurs tho

[TimDunkem]

Nook still believes Kyle is a better player. Nothing is funnier than that. :lmao

[Chinook]

Nook still believes Kyle is a better player. Nothing is funnier than that. :lmao

It's not funnier, but your obsession with net-negative Warren is definitely more concerning.

[TheGreatYacht]

TJ Warren - 18.0ppg, 6.5rpg, 1.3apg, 0.8stl, 0.9blk, 57.0 TS%, 20.5 PER, .118 WS/48

Fathead - 7.9ppg, 7.1rpg, 1.9apg, 0.4stl, 0.6blk, 47.3 TS%, 13.1PER, .092 WS/48

In before 'Nook comes in with some shitty stat that relies on TEAM defense :lol one that makes everyone seem better than what they really are. Ex. Dedmon's DBPM before, during, and after he was on the Spurs

[Chinook]

Ah, TGY sliding in on his knees as usual. Was starting to wonder if Dunk's PMs for backup hadn't gotten through yet.

[TimDunkem]

It's not funnier, but your obsession with net-negative Warren is definitely more concerning.

Ah, still clinging to the "obsessed" thing? You were wrong about Kyle being better than Warren. If it were another player who is clearly better than Kyle, we'd be having the same conversation. Just admit you were wrong already. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

'Nook has no rebuttal so he stoops to insults. Typical shit poster. Get regulated by me as per usual. Tag in the tranny if you need help, just don't go stroking Timvp to give you more than the Think tank so you can get rid of me :lol

[TimDunkem]

TJ Warren - 18.0ppg, 6.5rpg, 1.3apg, 0.8stl, 0.9blk, 57.0 TS%, 20.5 PER, .118 WS/48

Fathead - 7.9ppg, 7.1rpg, 1.9apg, 0.4stl, 0.6blk, 47.3 TS%, 13.1PER, .092 WS/48

In before 'Nook comes in with some shitty stat that relies on TEAM defense :lol one that makes everyone seem better than what they really are. Ex. Dedmon's DBPM before, during, and after he was on the Spurs
":cry B..b...b-b-but who cares if Warren is playing well and just dropped 40 and 10 on the Wizards?! My advanced stats say he's a net negative therefore Kyle is clearly the better ball player despite the fact that he can't even lay the ball up over point guards!! :cry"

[TheGreatYacht]

":cry B..b...b-b-but who cares if Warren is playing well and just dropped 40 and 10 on the Wizards?! My advanced stats say he's a net negative therefore Kyle is clearly the better ball player despite the fact that he can't even lay the ball up over point guards!! :cry"
:cry but muh Kyle has good defensive advanced stats. Just because Simmons, who I've been saying can't dribble, blew past him and dunked on his dead relatives, it doesn't mean muh Kyle can't defend :cry

[TimDunkem]

:cry but muh Kyle has good defensive advanced stats. Just because Simmons, who I've been saying can't dribble, blew past him and dunked on his dead relatives, it doesn't mean muh Kyle can't defend :cry
":cry But Kyle is an elite iso scorer according to muh stats cuz he scored 3 times out of 5 on isos in garbage time. Don't tell me about sample sizes :cry"

[cd98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7QK6VcOYOo

I hear that KA has enrolled in How to Make Layups 101.

[Chinook]

CJK in full force.

[cd021]

Anderson- 16pts, 5-8 FG, 6-6 FT, 7 Rebs., 5 asts., 2 blocks, 1 steal

Great game tbh.

[TimDunkem]

Anderson- 16pts, 5-8 FG, 6-6 FT, 7 Rebs., 5 asts., 2 blocks, 1 steal

Great game tbh.

Gotta' give him credit. He played well tonight. Says a lot about the rest of the team...

[SAGirl]

Had a gg tbh. Guys keep on shitting on this thread needlessly

[cd021]

Gotta' give him credit. He played well tonight. Says a lot about the rest of the team...

Thought he should've played more, second after LMA tonight, especially with Gay's trash performance.

[TheGreatYacht]

Liked his game today and his d on Durbeta. No criticism from me. Him and LA needed some help out there

[TimDunkem]

Thought he should've played more, second after LMA tonight, especially with Gay's trash performance.
Pop doesn't like lineups that work well. Wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team.

[r0drig0lac]

best player on the team today, if he could only do it regularly with the second unit, he's too long, he needs to exploit that advantage

[SAGirl]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-03-2017/kAMq6c.gif (http:///gif/golden-state-warriors-vs-san-antonio-spurs-full-game-highlights-week-3-2017-nba-season-kAMq6c)

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-03-2017/3ZTYVN.gif (http:///gif/golden-state-warriors-vs-san-antonio-spurs-full-game-highlights-week-3-2017-nba-season-3ZTYVN)

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-03-2017/z826jJ.gif (http:///gif/golden-state-warriors-vs-san-antonio-spurs-full-game-highlights-week-3-2017-nba-season-z826jJ)

[cd98]

He still missed a layup, but at least he made some and played well overall.

[SAGirl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpfyQY3NBQY

scary face tbh :lol:lol
DownToBuck sure knows how to pick those thumbnails

[bklynspursfan]

He played a pretty good game overall. Needed more from other guys

[Chinook]

Someone said like a month ago that Kyle was the key to the season. I said two years ago that getting Kyle to play up to his potential was the most important thing Pop could do as a coach that season. This was pretty much why. No one on GS could check him, not Durant, not Klay, not Draymond. Anderson had this stretch in the game where his confidence was through the roof, and he was running the offense like he did in the summer league in 2015. Just going up and down the court on them. You can blame the lack of confidence on Kyle himself and be mostly right. But if it can be fixed, it needs to be.

[SAGirl]

Kyle currently is the second leading regular season minutes eater for the Spurs, that has bumped up the value of his performance.
A fanpost in Pounding the Rock someone made to highlight the fact that GAsol is not overpaid, actually opened my eyes to the fact that Kyle is due for a payday.
https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/11/14/16652854/stats-how-bad-is-pau-gasol-s-contract

At the current moment, he's third in the Spurs in winshares and box plus minus.
He's ranked 25 in RPM in ESPN for SF while playing starter level minutes. He's become a reliable roleplayer at his current level of performance. I have hope the Spurs can keep him though I used to think he would be gone this summer for sure. He'd grow tired of being on Pop's doghouse while clearly being a rotation caliber player... but after his start to the season, if he continues playing well or better, I can see the Spurs show interest in keeping him.
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Rk

Age
G
MP
PER
TS%
3PAr
FTr
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%

OWS
DWS
WS
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WS/48

OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


1
LaMarcus Aldridge (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html)
32
14 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01/gamelog/2018/)
462
26.2
.571
.100
.328
9.9
17.6
13.6
13.1
1.2
3.7
7.4
28.3

1.5
0.7
2.2
.232

3.4
0.8
4.2
0.7


2
Pau Gasol (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html)
37
14 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01/gamelog/2018/)
348
20.5
.575
.241
.268
7.4
29.5
18.1
23.3
0.6
4.6
16.1
18.8

0.7
0.6
1.3
.182

1.0
3.6
4.6
0.6


3
Kyle Anderson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html)
24
14 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01/gamelog/2018/)
379
16.3
.547
.065
.326
7.0
19.9
13.3
13.7
1.6
3.1
11.0
13.7

0.7
0.6
1.3
.163

-0.3
3.2
2.9
0.5






(As a sidenote, at current levels of production Danny and Patty are overpaid, Patty by a huge deal). Maybe Danny doesn't opt out for more money, but simply more years, though market demands drive salaries up and down and Danny with his shooting/defense could be a hotter commodity this summer than Anderson who is restricted and is kind of a niche player. Still, food for thought. Sometimes I do think Spurs won't be able to afford him, others I think that a coach who values BBIQ and defense won't let him get away.

[Chinook]

I think with the market, Kyle is due for a solid, but not great pay day. A team could try to gamble on his for something like the full MLE with the last two years non-guaranteed, hoping that he continues to grow and gives them a solid bench player for the foreseeable future. The team should be in position to match such a deal, if Kawhi's DPE extension doesn't include his salary for next year increasing (this is something I'm not sure about). I will say that he doesn't compare as well with Pau as your post implies. Gasol would be in another tier (if not two higher) based on those numbers. But the stats do suggest Kyle is playing well above average this season, which anyone with eyes could tell.

[SAGirl]

I think with the market, Kyle is due for a solid, but not great pay day. A team could try to gamble on his for something like the full MLE with the last two years non-guaranteed, hoping that he continues to grow and gives them a solid bench player for the foreseeable future. The team should be in position to match such a deal, if Kawhi's DPE extension doesn't include his salary for next year increasing (this is something I'm not sure about). I will say that he doesn't compare as well with Pau as your post implies. Gasol would be in another tier (if not two higher) based on those numbers. But the stats do suggest Kyle is playing well above average this season, which anyone with eyes could tell.
I don't disagree with the comment on Pau Gasol at all, however, Kyle is 24 and Gasol 37. In the coming seasons, Kyle should trend up while Gasol keeping his production is probably the hope, and he will need the rest games, minutes micromanaging etc. I hope Spurs can afford him but that they are fair to him too.

I seriously dislike that Patty deal tbh. :td

[Mr. Body]

This is the Anderson I expected. He eats up minutes, his length bothers teams, he's a good defensive rebounder, and he keeps the offense clicking. At this point I expected him to stay scoring better, which he has. He's just a good role-player at this level, even if he'll never be spectacular or a star.

[r0drig0lac]

This is the Anderson I expected. He eats up minutes, his length bothers teams, he's a good defensive rebounder, and he keeps the offense clicking. At this point I expected him to stay scoring better, which he has. He's just a good role-player at this level, even if he'll never be spectacular or a star.

unfortunately its lack of explosion limits its ceiling.
I hoped he was a poors man Ben Simmons, but I think his limit is more like a poors man Hedo;

[Mr. Body]

unfortunately its lack of explosion limits its ceiling.
I hoped he was a poors man Ben Simmons, but I think his limit is more like a poors man Hedo;

That's more than fine with me.

[boutons_deux]

IIRC, Hedo didn't rebound

[rastaspur]

Someone said like a month ago that Kyle was the key to the season. I said two years ago that getting Kyle to play up to his potential was the most important thing Pop could do as a coach that season. This was pretty much why. No one on GS could check him, not Durant, not Klay, not Draymond. Anderson had this stretch in the game where his confidence was through the roof, and he was running the offense like he did in the summer league in 2015. Just going up and down the court on them. You can blame the lack of confidence on Kyle himself and be mostly right. But if it can be fixed, it needs to be.

I said it. Created a thread and people acted like I was stupid. Very few responded other than to criticize

[Slippy]

This is the Anderson I expected. He eats up minutes, his length bothers teams, he's a good defensive rebounder, and he keeps the offense clicking. At this point I expected him to stay scoring better, which he has. He's just a good role-player at this level, even if he'll never be spectacular or a star.

The block on Smith jn's drive was special. The length making up for his lack of speed on display there. He looking the most comfortable making plays on the pnr with La & paul too. Covering for Kawai surprisingly good.

[TheGreatYacht]

We bumping undeserved threads now?

[SAGirl]

They played him for the pass, and made him go one on one with a defender like Jimmy Butler he had a rough night. A star he is not. He did compete really hard. Of course TGY only shows up after a team loss. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Someone's keeping some space for me in her head :lol

Sorry I didn't bother wasting time watching the can't miss Spurs v Mavs matchup

[Play Boban]

Someone needs to burn this church down.

[Mikeanaro]

IS HURTING MY TEAM!

[UZER]

I'm in Kyle's corner, but his passiveness is infuriating.

[Keepin' it real]

Someone needs to burn this church down.

:cry

[Play Boban]

:cry
:wakeup

[r0drig0lac]

I'm in Kyle's corner, but his passiveness is infuriating.

this, It's like he's scared to shine.

[spursistan]

931596596655124482

4. The Tao of Slow-Mo

It is always fun when players turn an ingrained physical weakness into a tool. Kyle Anderson is so much slower than typical NBA players, his slowness almost works to his advantage. It throws off the timing of NBA defenders used to mirroring the movements of much faster humans. They arrive to a spot expecting Anderson to be there already, only he's still on the way. Anderson can then hit them with countermoves when they are off balance and out of position.


Defenders rise to contest his shots before Anderson has gotten off the ground; they are falling by the time he reaches peak height. And when unleashes a real NBA juke -- like this in-and-out dribble -- they don't really know how to react:




The only funny subplot of Golden State's blowout win in San Antonio two weeks ago was Kevin Durant. Have you ever played hearts with someone who doesn't understand basic strategy, passes all the wrong cards, and does well for a few hands just by screwing up the game? That's probably how Durant felt guarding Slow-Mo. Anderson doesn't obey basic NBA wing player physics, and Durant couldn't adjust.


Anderson is a clever passer, too. On that play above, he goads the weakside help defender -- Matthew Dellavedova -- toward the shooter in the corner, only to skip right over that pass and sling a backward diagonal to Patty Mills.


Anderson is playing more minutes than ever in Kawhi Leonard's absence, and shooting at a career-best rate. He may finally be solidifying himself as a rotation guy Gregg Popovich will trust across every playoff matchup.
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[SAGirl]

He's a good person too.
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[jermaine]

Like this fool or not, you can't deny is bbiq!! He's just a smart player all around.

[tholdren]

Like this fool or not, you can't deny is bbiq!! He's just a smart player all around.

Minus his last 2 plays

[DAF86]

He was in control tonight. Just creating and dealing for everybody.

[FkLA]

Love me some Fathead. I was dead wrong about him. Dude is a solid ass two-way player. Pop better resign him.

[SAGirl]

:flag:Welcome to the church my brethren. :bobo

[K...]

He's a great glue guy....doesn't do anything at a star level but has so much basic competency and he rarely looks lost, now if he would only trust his shot....the last piece of the puzzle

[DAF86]

Love me some Fathead. I was dead wrong about him. Dude is a solid ass two-way player. Pop better resign him.

For not more than 5/6 mills per year, tbh.

[r0drig0lac]

great game again (except the last two minutes [/tholdren)

[BillMc]

Nice game by Mr. Anderson.

[FkLA]

For not more than 5/6 mills per year, tbh.

I'd be willing to go as high as 12 mill/yr. He's the type of long, two-way, versatile player that you need in today's game. If he ever develops a 3PT shot he'd be underpaid at 12 mill, imo.

[DAF86]

I'd be willing to go as high as 12 mill/yr. He's the type of long, two-way, versatile player that you need in today's game. If he ever develops a 3PT shot he'd be underpaid at 12 mill, imo.

You know you are my nigga but I don't agree with you on this one. As much shit as I have given Simmons, the dude has proven to be better than Anderson for the past 3/2 years and he got just 7 millions per year. They kind of do the same things but in different ways. Both are roleplaying playmaking wings that can do a bit of everything but have mediocre jumpshots. If Simmons couldn't get more than 7 millions per year, then no way Kyle deserves 12.

[FkLA]

You know you are my nigga but I don't agree with you on this one. As much shit as I have given Simmons, the dude has proven to be better than Anderson for the past 3/2 years and he got just 7 millions per year. They kind of do the same things but in different ways. Both are roleplaying playmaking wings that can do a bit of everything but have mediocre jumpshots. If Simmons couldn't get more than 7 millions per year, then no way Kyle deserves 12.

Idk I guess it depends on the market. Simmons for $7 mill/yr is a bargain imo but maybe I'm still basing it on the contracts given two years ago.

[raybies]

:flag:Welcome to the church my brethren. :bobo

in b4 4/50 12:01 for the blissful irony :)

[raybies]

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[SAGirl]

For not more than 5/6 mills per year, tbh.
He's worth more than that tbh.
Could be a real flight risk IMO.

[SAGirl]

I'd be willing to go as high as 12 mill/yr. He's the type of long, two-way, versatile player that you need in today's game. If he ever develops a 3PT shot he'd be underpaid at 12 mill, imo.
Exactly. And he's 24 years old. He's not in his prime and will get better, whether that is his shot improving or more confidence. He is worth it and will be paid.
Look at Roberson tbh 10 mills a season
is that guy better than Kyle Anderson tbh?

[DAF86]

He's worth more than that tbh.
Could be a real flight risk IMO.

How is he worth more than Simmons, when Simmons was the guy getting playing time over him? When KA's agent comes to RC with some kind of crazy pretention RC just needs to show him Simmons' contract. There's no way Kyle gets more than that. At least not from intelligent front offices. But then again, the Spurs gave 10 mil per year to Patty and 17 per year to Pau, so you never know.

[Chinook]

Simmons vs Anderson has run its course. Independent of who's better, Kyle's corpus is more complete, and he's younger while also being up for a new deal in a more stable off-season.

[SAGirl]

You know you are my nigga but I don't agree with you on this one. As much shit as I have given Simmons, the dude has proven to be better than Anderson for the past 3/2 years and he got just 7 millions per year. They kind of do the same things but in different ways. Both are roleplaying playmaking wings that can do a bit of everything but have mediocre jumpshots. If Simmons couldn't get more than 7 millions per year, then no way Kyle deserves 12.
No. Simmons is 28 while Kyle is 24. Kyle is longer, taller, is a better defender, passer, rebounder. JSimms is a better scorer, but that is it. There is nothing else he's better at not even passing. He looks for his shot all the time on the PnR and has as many TO as he has assists.

Kyle will get paid and if you get stingy with him he will be gone for sure.

[SAGirl]

How is he worth more than Simmons, when Simmons was the guy getting playing time over him? When KA's agent comes to RC with some kind of crazy pretention RC just needs to show him Simmons' contract. There's no way Kyle gets more than that. At least not from intelligent front offices. But then again, the Spurs gave 10 mil per year to Patty and 17 per year to Pau, so you never know.
Bc Kyle was a 23 year old guy without shooting in a bench that played two bigs who also didn't shoot and he didn't fit in there very well at all. Credit must be given to JSimms for his improvement but to me Kyle showed up in the playoffs and even had better stats than JSimms did. Kyle was 23 years old in those playoffs and hadn't had the opportunities JSimms had all season of playing with the lineups and gaining confidence and chemistry. Opportunities Kyle had this season and he's grown up, developed, etc. If you don't think he will get paid you are entitled to your opinion of course...

If Kyle has a solid to great playoffs you better believe he will get paid.

[DAF86]

No. Simmons is 28 while Kyle is 24. Kyle is longer, taller, is a better defender, passer, rebounder. JSimms is a better scorer, but that is it. There is nothing else he's better at not even passing. He looks for his shot all the time on the PnR and has as many TO as he has assists.

Kyle will get paid and if you get stingy with him he will be gone for sure.

Sorry, but one of the things that makes KA a great player to have on your team is his friendly contract. Same as Patty before this offseason. Change that by giving him a double digit number per year and his uselfuness on an NBA roster greatly decreases. I'm all in for keepimg him at 5/6/7 mills per year. Anything more than that and I would rather take my chances on the next offseason Brandon Paul.

[DAF86]

Bc Kyle was a 23 year old guy without shooting in a bench that played two bigs who also didn't shoot and he didn't fit in there very well at all. Credit must be given to JSimms for his improvement but to me Kyle showed up in the playoffs and even had better stats than JSimms did. Kyle was 23 years old in those playoffs and hadn't had the opportunities JSimms had all season of playing with the lineups and gaining confidence and chemistry. Opportunities Kyle had this season and he's grown up, developed, etc. If you don't think he will get paid you are entitled to your opinion of course...

If Kyle has a solid to great playoffs you better believe he will get paid.

I don't know if Kyle is going tk get paid or not. Again, look at Pau and Mills. I just know that he isn't worth double digits per year, tbh. At least not for now. If he somehow develops into a decent three point threat and remains important once Kawhi comes back, then we can re-open the discussion.

[FkLA]

Sorry, but one of the things that makes KA a great player to have on your team is his friendly contract. Same as Patty before this offseason. Change that by giving him a double digit number per year and his uselfuness on an NBA roster greatly decreases. I'm all in for keepimg him at 5/6/7 mills per year. Anything more than that and I would rather take my chances on the next offseason Brandon Paul.

Can you really base Fathead' s value on a friendly Simmons contract though? I think this off-season was unique in that it was a bad market for the players. Simmons and others (Hill, Evans off the top of my head) got way less than they were projected to get. I think the market might go back up this off-season, not as high as two years ago but still higher than this last year.

[DAF86]

Can you really base Fathead' s value on a friendly Simmons contract though? I think this off-season was unique in that it was a bad market for the players. Simmons and others (Hill, Evans off the top of my head) got way less than they were projected to get. I think the market might go back up this off-season, not as high as two years ago but still higher than this last year.

Bad market for players except Patty and Pau, tbh. :bang

If the Spurs were willing to give 10 mills per year to Patty, but not 7 mills per year to Simmons, then I doubt they would be willing to give more than that to Kyle, tbh. And if the Spurs don't pay Kyle, I'm not sure other teams will be willing to take such a big risk on him.

[SAGirl]

Hasn't he been a better player than Rudy Gay these past few games too? You are really underselling him, which is a great way to keep hemorrhaging young talent.

I am not sure how the market will play out bc it's projected to be stingy again and that will be beneficial to the Spurs... but Kyle is for sure worth more than 5/6 million a season. He has been the Spurs 3rd best player at times and is only getting better with each passing game as he gains confidence and experience. His numbers are against starting level talent too.

[SAGirl]

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It's been awesome to see Kyle get more comfortable out there. I'm all in for keeping him. It will be interesting to see how Kawhi and Tony's return will affect his role though. He'd obviously be moved to the bench with Kawhi and Tony handling the ball in the SL, Kyle's impact on offense would be limited since he's not an outside threat. Hopefully he can improve the bench attack with Manu/Gay/Mills.

[BillMc]

Simmons vs Anderson has run its course. Independent of who's better, Kyle's corpus is more complete, and he's younger while also being up for a new deal in a more stable off-season.

This is true. Kyle's been damn impressive this season. Hope we keep him.

[MVPCues]

A 3 or 4 year deal at 7/8 per is most likely.

[skulls138]

It's been awesome to see Kyle get more comfortable out there. I'm all in for keeping him. It will be interesting to see how Kawhi and Tony's return will affect his role though. He'd obviously be moved to the bench with Kawhi and Tony handling the ball in the SL, Kyle's impact on offense would be limited since he's not an outside threat. Hopefully he can improve the bench attack with Manu/Gay/Mills.I know this isn't going to happen but I'd really like to see KA stay in the starting rotation once Kawhi comes back. I can really see him help make the starting unit gel, something that might be a challenge with Kawhi and LMAs game not blending well in the past.

[skulls138]

Double post

[Raven]

Idk I guess it depends on the market. Simmons for $7 mill/yr is a bargain imo but maybe I'm still basing it on the contracts given two years ago.

i was about to say that..

[LongtimeSpursFan]

:flag:Welcome to the church my brethren. :bobo

can I get an amen?

[RD2191]

KA becoming a solid player. Good to see. Hit some timely buckets last night.

[TheGreatYacht]

2 man fluff krew still can't stop talking about Simmons :lol

Bush head scores 10 points and they want to pay him 12M/per lmfaoooooo

[Snaq O'Meal]

I know this isn't going to happen but I'd really like to see KA stay in the starting rotation once Kawhi comes back. I can really see him help make the starting unit gel, something that might be a challenge with Kawhi and LMAs game not blending well in the past.

Of course Kyle can stay in the starting lineup. Just bump Fatty to the bench. Kyle's the better distributor on offence. Becky knew how to play him the right way. Poop is slower upstairs, but he's finally figured that out now.

[SAGirl]

A 3 or 4 year deal at 7/8 per is most likely.
I remember 7 mills is what Boris got b4 the cap spike. I think Kyle is closer to 10 mills in the current cap.

Simmons was faced with a tough market by being restricted and him having had a real lousy regular season last year and only showing up in the playoffs. There was a time in the regular season that he was even starting by to lose minutes bc he just wasn’t playing well so he was a gamble and an older player gamble.

That Kyle’s playing like this in the regular season in a starting role increases his profile and win shares, and gives a better sample of what he’s capable of than if he only did it in 5-6 playoffs games but otherwise was lousy in the regular season etc. He’s also 24 years old with many years still in his prime and probably better seasons to come.

[SAGirl]

can I get an amen?
Amennnnnnnn

[BillMc]

I said in one of my preseason posts that one of the things that had to happen was one of the young guys "making the leap". I think Kyle has been that guy. I think he's now a heavy rotation guy as long as he's here (which I hope is a while.)

[BillMc]

Kyle at the point reminded me of Summer League Kyle, except instead of playing against NBA rookies and scrubs, he was playing against a loaded NBA team and doing just fine. :toast

[skulls138]

Of course Kyle can stay in the starting lineup. Just bump Fatty to the bench. Kyle's the better distributor on offence. Becky knew how to play him the right way. Poop is slower upstairs, but he's finally figured that out now.Also thinking about when Parker comes back.

[MVPCues]

I remember 7 mills is what Boris got b4 the cap spike. I think Kyle is closer to 10 mills in the current cap.

Simmons was faced with a tough market by being restricted and him having had a real lousy regular season last year and only showing up in the playoffs. There was a time in the regular season that he was even starting by to lose minutes bc he just wasn’t playing well so he was a gamble and an older player gamble.

That Kyle’s playing like this in the regular season in a starting role increases his profile and win shares, and gives a better sample of what he’s capable of than if he only did it in 5-6 playoffs games but otherwise was lousy in the regular season etc. He’s also 24 years old with many years still in his prime and probably better seasons to come.

I get all of that. The problem is, at some point, basing contract offers on comparisons falls apart. I'm not guessing what he is or isn't worth. I'm guessing what will happen. Ultimately, his contract offer will be for what he will be willing to sign for, IMO. If he is offered 4/32 I think he signs, even if he might be able to get 10 mill somewhere else. I think his get others involved first and lack of aggression demeanor is part of who he is and he would rather carry his relative success with the Spurs in a safe/less pressured role than sign for 10 mill with another team.

[TheGreatYacht]

Just saw the numbers and it just confirmed what I've seen with my own eyes.

He can't score to save his fucking life unless it's hand fed to him wide open under the rim. He's such a non-threat that teams often forget about him and he's left open for layups. :lol

FG% by distance:
At Rim - 66.7% (28/42)
3 to 10 feet - 38.7% (12/31)
10 to 16 feet - 44.9% (4/9)
16ft to 3pt line - 27.3% (3/11)
3pt - 33.3% (2/6)

Those 28 FGM at the rim consisted of 26 layups and 2 dunks. When forced to use that jump shot, he only makes it 35.8% of the time. Yikes. You'd expect better from someone who's been here 4 years with Chip Engelland. Even Simmons' jumper improved tremendously having been here for just two seasons....

[boutons_deux]

He admitted he knows he is slow, but still plays his game.

His years as PG at UCLA are very useful.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Just saw the numbers and it just confirmed what I've seen with my own eyes.

He can't score to save his fucking life unless it's hand fed to him wide open under the rim. He's such a non-threat that teams often forget about him and he's left open for layups. :lol

FG% by distance:
At Rim - 66.7% (28/42)
3 to 10 feet - 38.7% (12/31)
10 to 16 feet - 44.9% (4/9)
16ft to 3pt line - 27.3% (3/11)
3pt - 33.3% (2/6)

Those 28 FGM at the rim consisted of 26 layups and 2 dunks. When forced to use that jump shot, he only makes it 35.8% of the time. Yikes. You'd expect better from someone who's been here 4 years with Chip Engelland. Even Simmons' jumper improved tremendously having been here for just two seasons....

Damn those numbers don’t lie :wow

[SAGirl]

Less than 50% of his shots are assisted and he creates for others that’s valuable in an offense where current perimeter players can’t get their own shot reliably or create for others without turning the ball over at a high rate if asked to do so.

[r0drig0lac]

32/4

[cd021]

Just saw the numbers and it just confirmed what I've seen with my own eyes.

He can't score to save his fucking life unless it's hand fed to him wide open under the rim. He's such a non-threat that teams often forget about him and he's left open for layups. :lol

FG% by distance:
At Rim - 66.7% (28/42)
3 to 10 feet - 38.7% (12/31)
10 to 16 feet - 44.9% (4/9)
16ft to 3pt line - 27.3% (3/11)
3pt - 33.3% (2/6)

Those 28 FGM at the rim consisted of 26 layups and 2 dunks. When forced to use that jump shot, he only makes it 35.8% of the time. Yikes. You'd expect better from someone who's been here 4 years with Chip Engelland. Even Simmons' jumper improved tremendously having been here for just two seasons....

Both of those percentages are above average from the spots from where they were taken :lol

Kind of sabotages your point....

[cd021]

Damn those numbers don’t lie :wow

Numbers don't but that's misleading.

Shooting 67% from 0-3 is above average. I believe the league average is around 62% or 63%

His shots for 10-16 feet are also either above or league average. He essientially stopped taking 3's so I don't care about that percentage and

He's taken 105 shots and according to TYG's numbers, Anderson has taken 42 shots within 3 feet meaning that 40% of his shots are layups and he's shooting an above average percentage from that spot.

The only spot he struggles with is long 2's which accounts for just 10% of his shot selection and the sample size is so small from that area it isn't indicative how how well he does or does not shoot from that area.

[cd021]

32/4

I could see a 4yr/ $28-32 million. I think that's about fair, then again, the problem is that Leonard, LMA, & Gay, (assuming that he is back) all are there to keep him from getting minutes. I would like to see a Parker-Green-Leonard-Anderson-Aldridge starting lineup next season with Gasol sliding to the bench.

[TheGreatYacht]

Numbers don't but that's misleading.

Shooting 67% from 0-3 is above average. I believe the league average is around 62% or 63%

His shots for 10-16 feet are also either above or league average. He essientially stopped taking 3's so I don't care about that percentage and

He's taken 105 shots and according to TYG's numbers, Anderson has taken 42 shots within 3 feet meaning that 40% of his shots are layups and he's shooting an above average percentage from that spot.

The only spot he struggles with is long 2's which accounts for just 10% of his shot selection and the sample size is so small from that area it isn't indicative how how well he does or does not shoot from that area.
How are they misleading? Fact is when he's forced to take a jumper, he only has a 35.8% chance of making it. He's a black hole if you're trying to spread the floor. Those numbers don't even take account all the open 3's he passes up.

He's basically the Deandre Jordan of small forwards. You won't see him rack up points unless he's getting open layups/dunks :lol

[tholdren]

Less than 50% of his shots are assisted and he creates for others that’s valuable in an offense where current perimeter players can’t get their own shot reliably or create for others without turning the ball over at a high rate if asked to do so.

He tried to give away the game last night.

[MaNu4Tres]

How are they misleading? Fact is when he's forced to take a jumper, he only has a 35.8% chance of making it. He's a black hole if you're trying to spread the floor. Those numbers don't even take account all the open 3's he passes up.

He's basically the Deandre Jordan of small forwards. You won't see him rack up points unless he's getting open layups/dunks :lol

Kyle isn't like Patty, in that he doesn't need to score to remain somewhat effective and Spurs don't need him scoring a lot. So I don't know why you are picking on his scoring tbh... His overall game has been above average this year for the first time in his 4 year career.

His ability to defend multiple positions, his length, his rebounding, the ways he can facilitate in his limited opportunities with the ball, all make him very valuable for this team. Spurs need more players that have these versatility traits and that's why I'd value Kyle over Tony or Patty against any team. I'm praying, that when Kawhi gets back, we see some Kawhi, Green, Gay, Kyle, LA lineups.

[LittleCriminal]

Lol his ability to defend multiple positions... Gets burned on D by multiple positions is a little more accurate.