Church of Kyle Anderson

[SAGirl]

disappointing yesterday. He was still a big plus, confirming once again that he can be played even when his shot isn't falling. He's in a hard spot, hopefully he turns it around.
I thought the same... he struggled, but unlike true "cancers" he didn't sink the team with him. He only took 6 shots all game and 3 of those came in a single sequence with several hook-shots at the rim that bounced out, which were really offensive putbacks... so going 0-6 is somewhat deceiving bc it wasn't 6 trips down that he used up. It wasn't like wasted possession after wasted possession. The 3 pt shot he took seemed like it would go in and was just a little bit off the mark... and it is a shot he's been making and that he needs to take. It just didn't go in that game.

In the second half he assisted others on their shots. Until then, the team had only one made 3 in the first half by Danny and only 5 attempted 3 pt shots overall. He ended up with 5 assists... notably the first of Manu's wide open 3 was assisted by him (up until that point Manu was drawing a blank too) and he also kicked the ball out to Danny for another 3 (which was necessary to make a run back into the game).... It wasn't a good game by him overall, but he didn't sink the team with him and tried to make plays to win it.

Hopefully he turns things around too, but shots just didn't go in that he normally can make... IMO.

[Mr. Body]

He's doing a lot except for scoring. Somehow he has to figure out that part, but his other contributions are positive.

[ECOV]

His career:

https://m.popkey.co/f0dc12/gKGp6.gif
Your making fun of a man who has two years in the nba and will still improve over time, also at least he has a career in the NBA not alot of people can say that.

[GSH]

"Is it just me, or is the ceiling in this church getting lower?"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yaaAYXdLT6s/UkLRKlYvFrI/AAAAAAAAL30/Ye9ux3_dZ6Y/s1600/IMG_8072.JPG

[TheGreatYacht]

Your making fun of a man who has two years in the nba and will still improve over time, also at least he has a career in the NBA not alot of people can say that.
Lmao you made fun of Curry within the span of an hour. Steph Curry, an MVP and actual NBA player. Kyle is nothing but a scrub who got lucky he's 6'10

Ive never seen a more cancerous player in my life.

[bklynspursfan]

"Is it just me, or is the ceiling in this church getting lower?"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yaaAYXdLT6s/UkLRKlYvFrI/AAAAAAAAL30/Ye9ux3_dZ6Y/s1600/IMG_8072.JPG

Clever lol.. I honestly am confused as to what kind of player Anderson is now. I'm not sure of his identity... He can look good one game, then seem like a different (worse) player the next. And that's not to say other guys aren't inconsistent, but they still have an identity and are playing their game and struggling. Anderson seems like a different player some nights, still trying to find himself.

[raybies]

needs ti go to austin for a confidence boost imo

[ECOV]

Lmao you made fun of Curry within the span of an hour. Steph Curry, an MVP and actual NBA player. Kyle is nothing but a scrub who got lucky he's 6'10

Ive never seen a more cancerous player in my life. i never made fun of curry, i just think he chucks the ball to much makes bad shot selection to me but still a caliber NBA player. Kyle still has many years to go. i didnt bash curry. Also Curry has about 7 years in the nba while kyle has 2 years.

[SpursforSix]

Lmao you made fun of Curry within the span of an hour. Steph Curry, an MVP and actual NBA player. Kyle is nothing but a scrub who got lucky he's 6'10

Ive never seen a more cancerous player in my life.

IDK. He's one of the few 6'10" players that seems to be able to play as 6'1".

[SAGirl]

needs ti go to austin for a confidence boost imo
I thought the same long ago... for real...
soon after the season started and he wasn't shooting like he did in summer league I thought he needed to go back to the dleague to get a wake up call with how aggressive he needed to be with his shooting.
Not sure what Pop is doing with him, maybe nothing really.

[Mr. Body]

Yet he was a positive in last night's game even without scoring. He's further along than Joseph was at this point.

[TheGreatYacht]

IDK. He's one of the few 6'10" players that seems to be able to play as 6'1".
6'10 with a game that's 6'1
23 years old but plays like a TOSB
Has a fat head but really poor bball IQ
He's a cancer, but his fans see a positive player

Kyle Anderson

[Splits]

6'10 with a game that's 6'1
23 years old but plays like a TOSB
Has a fat head but really poor bball IQ
He's a cancer, but his fans see a positive player

Kyle Anderson

:lol

[r0drig0lac]

i never made fun of curry, i just think he chucks the ball to much makes bad shot selection to me but still a caliber NBA player. Kyle still has many years to go. i didnt bash curry. Also Curry has about 7 years in the nba while kyle has 2 years.
lmao

[raybies]

I thought the same long ago... for real...
soon after the season started and he wasn't shooting like he did in summer league I thought he needed to go back to the dleague to get a wake up call with how aggressive he needed to be with his shooting.
Not sure what Pop is doing with him, maybe nothing really.
it appears he is nerfing his value as much as possible with the hopes of resigning him to the minimum and then unleashing him as we win multiple championships..

[sasaint]

it appears he is nerfing his value as much as possible with the hopes of resigning him to the minimum and then unleashing him as we win multiple championships..

That's some serious stealth. :wow

[tonight...you]

That's some serious stealth. :wow
That's working the long game better than Little Finger.

[ECOV]

lmao
sorta??lol

[skulls138]

Yet he was a positive in last night's game even without scoring. He's further along than Joseph was at this point.Its a mental thing just like it was for Green and Mills last year. Its obvious the guy has skills but he hasnt found the zone yet. Im confident he will.

[Mr. Body]

Its a mental thing just like it was for Green and Mills last year. Its obvious the guy has skills but he hasnt found the zone yet. Im confident he will.

I think so, too. He's already erased his biggest disadvantage, which is slowness on defense. His length I'd actually a problem down there. He'll start scoring in time.

[dabom]

I think so, too. He's already erased his biggest disadvantage, which is slowness on defense. His length I'd actually a problem down there. He'll start scoring in time.

He's trash.

[Mr. Body]

He's trash.

Oh, okay.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's trash.

[Mr. Body]

You tards should call Pop and let him know.

[TheGreatYacht]

You tards should call Pop and let him know.
The guy that kept Bonner around for 10 years?

Ok dipshit. Fathead is trash

[Mr. Body]

The guy that kept Bonner around for 10 years?

Ok dipshit. Fathead is trash

Yeah, you're a genius.

[CGD]

Dude just needs to concede that he's not a 3, bulk up, and start playing at the 4.

[GSH]

Clever lol.. I honestly am confused as to what kind of player Anderson is now. I'm not sure of his identity... He can look good one game, then seem like a different (worse) player the next. And that's not to say other guys aren't inconsistent, but they still have an identity and are playing their game and struggling. Anderson seems like a different player some nights, still trying to find himself.


I've had the discussion with a couple of the Kyle-fans, but I'm not even sure what position he plays. When he got here, people kept saying that he could play the point. A LOT of people speculate since then that he could be a Kawhi backup. He's spent the bulk of his minutes this season as a backup 2. He's 6'10" tall, gets a lot of rebounds, and seems to make sense as a 4 - provided he gets a little bigger and stronger.

So exactly what the fuck is he? What position is he here to fill?

[gospursgojas]

Remember last game when he dribbled into traffic about the freethrow line area and jumped in the air and passed the ball to out of bounds?

[Chinook]

I thought the same long ago... for real...
soon after the season started and he wasn't shooting like he did in summer league I thought he needed to go back to the dleague to get a wake up call with how aggressive he needed to be with his shooting.
Not sure what Pop is doing with him, maybe nothing really.

Pop would never make Anderson go to Austin in his third year. He still can due to the 2011 CBA, but he won't. Kyle should ask for it. Maybe if the Spurs sign Pato for the next two weeks (until the guarantee deadline), he could convince Anderson that going down makes the most sense, while also giving Garino a clear lane to playing time (only having to take minutes from Simmons). Hell, combine that with a Manu rest day to open up even more time.

[gospursgojas]

Pop would never make Anderson go to Austin in his third year. He still can due to the 2011 CBA, but he won't. Kyle should ask for it. Maybe if the Spurs sign Pato for the next two weeks (until the guarantee deadline), he could convince Anderson that going down makes the most sense, while also giving Garino a clear lane to playing time (only having to take minutes from Simmons). Hell, combine that with a Manu rest day to open up even more time.

Problem is Kyle dominates in D league, then comes to the big boy table and does shit.

[Chinook]

Problem is Kyle dominates in D league, then comes to the big boy table and does shit.

That's not a problem. The problem would be if he went down and was awful like Cabocolo is for Toronto.

[100%duncan]

Yet he was a positive in last night's game even without scoring. He's further along than Joseph was at this point.

LOL.

Cory Joseph on his 2nd season who just managed to play 28 games (not because of Patty because he was also a benchwarmer that time IIRC) is better than kyle anderson on his 3rd season :lol

Per game:
CoJo 2nd season: 2PA FG% 50.6% EFG% 49.1%
Fathead 3rd season: 2PA FG% 40.8% EFG% 45.1%

This despite all the fuss about him being a high bball IQ player, bigger, longer, and supposedly just has more physical prowess that Cojo had

In his first legitimate NBA season where he was actually played by Pop Cojo raised almost all his fg% while Fathead, with all his supposed improvements managed to shoot worse in 2’s, overall fg’s, EFG :lol

So not only was a 2nd year Cory Joseph better than a 3rd year Fathead, 3rd year Cory Joseph is ahead of him in lightyears in terms of improvement and actual importance to the team. He was considered as a legitimate back-up pg the whole year, splitting minutes with Patty, and had a respectable contribution in the playoffs as compared to Mr. Improvement who’s treated as the 15th guy of the team

[100%duncan]

And don’t get me started on defense :lol

[Mr. Body]

LOL.

Cory Joseph on his 2nd season who just managed to play 28 games (not because of Patty because he was also a benchwarmer that time IIRC) is better than kyle anderson on his 3rd season :lol

Per game:
CoJo 2nd season: 2PA FG% 50.6% EFG% 49.1%
Fathead 3rd season: 2PA FG% 40.8% EFG% 45.1%

This despite all the fuss about him being a high bball IQ player, bigger, longer, and supposedly just has more physical prowess that Cojo had

In his first legitimate NBA season where he was actually played by Pop Cojo raised almost all his fg% while Fathead, with all his supposed improvements managed to shoot worse in 2’s, overall fg’s, EFG :lol

So not only was a 2nd year Cory Joseph better than a 3rd year Fathead, 3rd year Cory Joseph is ahead of him in lightyears in terms of improvement and actual importance to the team. He was considered as a legitimate back-up pg the whole year, splitting minutes with Patty, and had a respectable contribution in the playoffs as compared to Mr. Improvement who’s treated as the 15th guy of the team

KA has more of assign impact on the game than Joseph did at this point. The only thing Anderson isn't doing well at this point is score, so big fucking deal.

[100%duncan]

KA has more of assign impact on the game than Joseph did at this point. The only thing Anderson isn't doing well at this point is score, so big fucking deal.
:lol

“my retarded opinion”> statzzz

“big fucking deal”

assign impact :lmao who is he actually sent to guard against? Cojo was played against starting PG’s at some points in time when Parker couldn’t hold his own

You moron

[Mr. Body]

And don’t get me started on defense :lol

He blows assignments but his length is proving an asset. Stop hating.

[TheGreatYacht]

814286917567188992If this is where you're at in your third year in the NBA, there's pretty much not else you could do BUT improve.... I guess :lol

[SAGirl]

Pop would never make Anderson go to Austin in his third year. He still can due to the 2011 CBA, but he won't. Kyle should ask for it. Maybe if the Spurs sign Pato for the next two weeks (until the guarantee deadline), he could convince Anderson that going down makes the most sense, while also giving Garino a clear lane to playing time (only having to take minutes from Simmons). Hell, combine that with a Manu rest day to open up even more time.
Frankly, the way Garino has looked he's not an NBA player. He's struggling down there. He got outplayed by two guys who made the roster over him this past fall (Forbes and Nico, one of whom has looked very marginal in the NBA and the other was waived). Forbes just scored 35 points in a dleague game but the team lost... Garino? 4, plus he had just the 1 rebound and 4 PF... do not be mistaken... I think those campaigning on Garino's behalf are fanboys...
http://dleague.nba.com/games/20161228/TEXAUS/ I liked Garino but he still has a lot to work on. But maybe there are others out there.. I don't know.

Anyways, I suppose Kyle will dominate there like he did when he was 21.. ppl forget about it, but his first game in the dleague he had 18, 11 and 6 and the team won... on better efficiency than Dijon and less TO... Bertans wasn't even having games like that.. sure he can jack off 10 3s in a game and make 4-6 of them, but he doesn't rebound or get you 6 assists in a game. And I don't want to rain on the Davis parade either... Point is Kyle is too good for the dleague. Rook kyle's first dleague game (very little NBA experience at the time too, Dijon like level experience):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KqU13RL-A

Anyways, I am rambling... but the point is the only reason I saw he needed that was his reluctance to shoot. I thought if he was sent to play strictly off the ball with Dijon.... and he was compelled to jack off 3s, even though that is not his game he would catch a rhythm... He's going to have to get over his reluctance to shoot off the catch... no matter what spot he plays in the Spurs, anything from the 2 to the 4, or if he's traded. Ultimately it is for his benefit. He doesn't even have to work on the other areas of his game since they are irrelevant for Spurs right now and they don't need them. It might help him to just go jack shots and catch a rhythm. Again I don't know what Pop's plan is with him and if they are just fine with him as he is or if he's satisfied with himself. I don't think that he is, but he's not a cancer and will do whatever Pop asks as best as he can, but he surely needs to shoot more.

[dabom]

i specifically remember a shitty poster say Fathead was gonna be the X-factor such as scoring one on one in the WCFs. :lol

[SAGirl]

He blows assignments but his length is proving an asset. Stop hating.
I like the dude 100%duncan but he's a self-confessed Kyle hater and he won't get off that wagon...
I would just ignore the trolling from him since he's otherwise a nice dude... my advice. :toast

[dabom]

I like the dude 100%duncan but he's a self-confessed Kyle hater and he won't get off that wagon...
I would just ignore the trolling from him since he's otherwise a nice dude... my advice. :toast

Let me ask you one thing. Simple question. Do you think Kyle could be the Xfactor(one on one scoring) in a Warriors Spurs matchup?

[Mnky]

I just saw the Portland game, and boy did he have an awful outing.

The thing about Kyle is that he is Kawhis relief. His proponents want to treat him like he's a third string end of bench guy, but on this team, that's not what he's expected to be. You have to judge him on what is expected of him, and as first forward behind Kawhi, he isn't doing his job well. Kawhis standard may make it more obvious to his shortcomings, but as a backup, he doesn't provide many useful traits. Anything that is a strength of his, is pretty average if decent at the NBA level.

He needed to get smaller and quicker or bigger and strong to fill the tweener position. He didn't do either in three years.

This leans towards his work ethic. It's hard to believe after 3 NBA years, he hasn't developed much at all physically either way. If anything, he looks less involved and reactive than he did his first year.

As a third stringer, I wouldn't mind too much with upside still available at his age and experience. He's the main backup though, and as such he isn't doing a very good job.

[100%duncan]

I like the dude 100%duncan but he's a self-confessed Kyle hater and he won't get off that wagon...
I would just ignore the trolling from him since he's otherwise a nice dude... my advice. :toast

Please tell me how providing stats and argumentation is trolling :lol

Or do you agree that 3rd year Kyle Anderson is better than 3rd year Cory Joseph, when CoJo’s 2nd year stats show that he’s better than this year’s ShitHead?

[SAGirl]

Please tell me how providing stats and argumentation is trolling :lol

Or do you agree that 3rd year Kyle Anderson is better than 3rd year Cory Joseph, when CoJo’s 2nd year stats show that he’s better than this year’s ShitHead?
Love you dude but I have become pretty immune to troll baiting on Kyle... not even going to reply.
:toast

[100%duncan]

Love you dude but I have become pretty immune to troll baiting on Kyle... not even going to reply.
:toast

Stats=trolling



bbbut his length and bball iq!!!!

[SAGirl]

Stats=trolling



bbbut his length and bball iq!!!!
ok
dude whateva... been on this forum too long to recognize the troll bait and it does nothing for me... we can chat about anything else though.

[TimDunkem]

Stats=trolling



bbbut his length and bball iq!!!!

You're not allowed to talk facts about Fathead with SAGirl unless you include at least one kind thing about him in your post.

[GSH]

Anyways, I suppose Kyle will dominate there like he did when he was 21.. ppl forget about it, but his first game in the dleague he had 18, 11 and 6 and the team won... on better efficiency than Dijon and less TO... Bertans wasn't even having games like that.. sure he can jack off 10 3s in a game and make 4-6 of them, but he doesn't rebound or get you 6 assists in a game. And I don't want to rain on the Davis parade either... Point is Kyle is too good for the dleague. Rook kyle's first dleague game (very little NBA experience at the time too, Dijon like level experience)



Have you watched Cory Jefferson, or at least seen any clips of him in Austin? If D-League success translated into NBA success, he'd be on the Spurs' roster already, and getting decent minutes. Sonofabitch has been impressive... there.

Kyle's success in D-League has almost nothing to do with NBA play, now or in the future. Jimmer was pretty damned flashy in D-League, too. It's one thing to talk about him going there to get some work, or gain/regain some confidence. But when you start looking at his D-League stats, you're on the road to nowhere.



Pop would never make Anderson go to Austin in his third year. He still can due to the 2011 CBA, but he won't. Kyle should ask for it. Maybe if the Spurs sign Pato for the next two weeks (until the guarantee deadline), he could convince Anderson that going down makes the most sense, while also giving Garino a clear lane to playing time (only having to take minutes from Simmons). Hell, combine that with a Manu rest day to open up even more time.


I sometimes wonder if we are even watching the same game. You watched LJC in SL and preseason, and saw someone who was not only going to make the Spurs' roster, but contribute. You're apparently watching Garino in the D-League and seeing someone who could take minutes away from Simmons? Neither one of those guys have been tearing it up in Austin. I know I just said that success in the D-League doesn't necessarily translate into NBA success, but that doesn't make it Opposite Day. Someone who's not playing well in Austin isn't going to play better in the NBA. I'm hopeful that Garino will improve, and I'm glad he's getting work in the D-League. But he hasn't shown much that would let him take minutes from Simmons.

[Brazil]

i never made fun of curry, i just think he chucks the ball to much makes bad shot selection to me but still a caliber NBA player. Kyle still has many years to go. i didnt bash curry. Also Curry has about 7 years in the nba while kyle has 2 years.

I missed this gem tbh.... :lmao

[Brazil]

He's doing a lot except for scoring. Somehow he has to figure out that part, but his other contributions are positive.


Yet he was a positive in last night's game even without scoring. He's further along than Joseph was at this point.

oh boy :lol

this thread continues to deliver

[r0drig0lac]

I missed this gem tbh.... :lmao

unbelievable

[Brazil]

unbelievable

Curry is a NBA caliber player :lol Kyle has still 5 years to be as good as Curry a mere NBA caliber player :lol

not sure what dude is smoking but I'm sure he's gonna have a Happy 2017

:lmao

[SAGirl]

gSH the entirety of my post was only to the effect that the only thing I thought would be usef was a bit of chucking and playing off the ball a few games to increase confidence in that jumper and break through that hesitation a lot of which is mental. He has lately played but I think a bit of chucking in a game that doesn't matter helps for confidence and rhythm... Spurs have done that for players not getting minutes. (Helps conditioning and stamina too for game readiness, but that's irrelevant to what I meant).

[BillMc]

This dude is a member!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9WWFBjIe-4

[GSH]

gSH the entirety of my post was only to the effect that the only thing I thought would be usef was a bit of chucking and playing off the ball a few games to increase confidence in that jumper and break through that hesitation a lot of which is mental. He has lately played but I think a bit of chucking in a game that doesn't matter helps for confidence and rhythm... Spurs have done that for players not getting minutes. (Helps conditioning and stamina too for game readiness, but that's irrelevant to what I meant).



Ahhh, it's just disappointing. When you watch Kyle play in SL or in Austin, he looks like he's ready to break out. I've had to remind myself several times that we've seen plenty of other guys who look like stars playing in the D-League, but can't even break into a rotation on any NBA team. I understand the benefits of getting lots of work in Austin vs sitting on the bench in SA. But Kyle is getting to the point where he really has to start making more of a showing here. He's solidly into his third year - long enough to have learned his way around. Numbers don't tell the whole story, but the only part of his game that shows improvement (by the numbers) is rebounding. His 3P% is up, but he's shot so few of them it's hard to make too much of it.

I appreciate the people who are looking for the things he's doing right, and being hopeful. But I don't think the team gets appreciably worse if they sent him to the D-League for a prolonged period, like CoJo. You mentioned confidence, as did I. I'd like to think that's a big part of his problem, and that getting a chance to kick some ass in Austin might give him some. Because if it's not that, it's time to start worrying about his future.

[GSH]

This dude is a member!


You just had to post that in a second place, didn't you? :lol

Did you look at the stats from all the other "Best Young Players", and there's the Spurs entry with 2.5 PPG and 2.8 RPG? The truly sad thing is that, at this moment, it's probably true that he's the best young player on the team. Murray doesn't have enough total minutes to be in the discussion.

[BillMc]

You just had to post that in a second place, didn't you? :lol

Did you look at the stats from all the other "Best Young Players", and there's the Spurs entry with 2.5 PPG and 2.8 RPG? The truly sad thing is that, at this moment, it's probably true that he's the best young player on the team. Murray doesn't have enough total minutes to be in the discussion.

:lol

I pray for the team's sake that Kyle either takes "the leap" or Murray or Bertans supplant him as the best sub-25 on the team.

Fortunately for Spurs' future Kawhi isn't exactly old

[sasaint]

You just had to post that in a second place, didn't you? :lol

Did you look at the stats from all the other "Best Young Players", and there's the Spurs entry with 2.5 PPG and 2.8 RPG? The truly sad thing is that, at this moment, it's probably true that he's the best young player on the team. Murray doesn't have enough total minutes to be in the discussion.

Best Young Players was actually kind of interesting, running the gamut from Giannis and Anthony Davis to...Kyle. Spurs cupboard isn't bare; it has some quantity, just not much quality.

[SAGirl]

Ahhh, it's just disappointing. When you watch Kyle play in SL or in Austin, he looks like he's ready to break out. I've had to remind myself several times that we've seen plenty of other guys who look like stars playing in the D-League, but can't even break into a rotation on any NBA team. I understand the benefits of getting lots of work in Austin vs sitting on the bench in SA. But Kyle is getting to the point where he really has to start making more of a showing here. He's solidly into his third year - long enough to have learned his way around. Numbers don't tell the whole story, but the only part of his game that shows improvement (by the numbers) is rebounding. His 3P% is up, but he's shot so few of them it's hard to make too much of it.

I appreciate the people who are looking for the things he's doing right, and being hopeful. But I don't think the team gets appreciably worse if they sent him to the D-League for a prolonged period, like CoJo. You mentioned confidence, as did I. I'd like to think that's a big part of his problem, and that getting a chance to kick some ass in Austin might give him some. Because if it's not that, it's time to start worrying about his future.
Well once he dominated that level competition the only thing it can help with is conditioning, stamina, rhythm. In his case, shooting. As his jumper is better it's not a matter of being unable to shoot but passing up shots. At least it was very very early in the season. I think it would help. The rest of what he does there doesn't matter, posting up or not, etc since Spurs don't use that, but a bit of chucking helps someone see the ball go in and get confidence shooting...

[DrSteffo]

Send him to Finland please.

[ECOV]

I missed this gem tbh.... :lmaono, your right on time :)

[Robz4000]

:bang gonna have to watch him play again tonight

[HarlemHeat37]

As I've been saying, he just needs a change of scenery, tbh..while the Spurs are arguably the best team in the league at developing players, I don't think he'll ever develop here with so many other mouths to feed..

He needs to go to the Kings or Wizards or some other team that doesn't have any bench talent..

His defense is already very solid, but his offensive game is painful to watch..he was never going to thrive as a conventional talent, his potential was always going to be reliant on becoming a mismatch, which is a difficult type of game to develop in the NBA(especially on a contender)..

[skulls138]

:bang gonna have to watch him play again tonightAwesome...if only because you dont want him to. :D

[SAGirl]

As I've been saying, he just needs a change of scenery, tbh..while the Spurs are arguably the best team in the league at developing players, I don't think he'll ever develop here with so many other mouths to feed..

He needs to go to the Kings or Wizards or some other team that doesn't have any bench talent..

His defense is already very solid, but his offensive game is painful to watch..he was never going to thrive as a conventional talent, his potential was always going to be reliant on becoming a mismatch, which is a difficult type of game to develop in the NBA(especially on a contender)..
I think a trade would be beneficial for him too. When you first shared that take I agreed.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think he has much value in a trade, which is not to say he's a bad player. I just think the jury is still out. His big issue coming in to the league was his defense (along with slowness), while he wasn't a bad shooter or scorer. He has actually fixed the primary problem - which he gets no credit for here - at the expense of the scoring. I wouldn't be surprised to see that aspect start coming around. Will it? Maybe. But at the moment he can eat minutes, which is actually important.

The problem with this board are short-sighted fans who don't even see the recent past much less are able to project beyon the last game played. If the Spurs front office was plagued with the same thinking Kawhi would still be a defense-only energy guy.

[dabom]

I don't think he has much value in a trade, which is not to say he's a bad player. I just think the jury is still out. His big issue coming in to the league was his defense (along with slowness), while he wasn't a bad shooter or scorer. He has actually fixed the primary problem - which he gets no credit for here - at the expense of the scoring. I wouldn't be surprised to see that aspect start coming around. Will it? Maybe. But at the moment he can eat minutes, which is actually important.

The problem with this board are short-sighted fans who don't even see the recent past much less are able to project beyon the last game played. If the Spurs front office was plagued with the same thinking Kawhi would still be a defense-only energy guy.

He has been shit vs all contenders. The thing about playing a contender is that they will take advantage off a pick n roll switch and attack lateral deficient players. So he has ZERO fucking offensive impact. He is actually a negative impact player on offense. And then, he has length to play defense outside of one on one. So what do smart teams do, attack his ass one on one since he has ZERO fucking lateral movement. Outside of the RS, he shouldn't be played. How hard is it for fucking people to fucking understand. :lmao

[dabom]

I also like simmons because he can play one on one. One pick and he gets lost, but pop imposes switches in the playoffs. So simmons' defensive liabilities is not a bad as being garbage man to man defense on the Spurs.

[dabom]

I'm a just a crazy person BillMc? or does it make some sense?

[BillMc]

I'm a just a crazy person BillMc (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16431)? or does it make some sense?

Not sure what you're referring to. If you mean when you said that Kawhi might be frustrated if there was a talent drain, I was assuring you that RC and co, plus our stability and 60 win seasons, would mean that would likely not be a problem. But nothing crazy about what you (or I) said.

If you're talking about something else it must have flown over my head.

[south side spur]

The old metrics vs "eye test" argument. As much hate as Anderson gets and as much patience we have with Simmons, is there really a difference when comparing their raw numbers? If anything, Anderson might be a little more effective.

So why the love affair with Simmons? He's an athlete and that's exciting. If we're honest with ourselves they're comparable. Yet we say Simmons has "potential" when he's years older than Anderson which makes no fucking sense.
I have to admit though last game was painful to watch and Im not making any excuses for Anderson here.

[dabom]

Not sure what you're referring to. If you mean when you said that Kawhi might be frustrated if there was a talent drain, I was assuring you that RC and co, plus our stability and 60 win seasons, would mean that would likely not be a problem. But nothing crazy about what you (or I) said.

If you're talking about something else it must have flown over my head.

No, I was talking about my assessment of Kyle just right now. lol

[BillMc]

No, I was talking about my assessment of Kyle just right now. lol

Kyle has disappointed this year. I have not seen the progression that the SL promised. Pop keeps playing him, though. It's one of three things. Either Pop sees some stuff that others do not. Or he's giving Kyle every last chance to find a role and justify his presence. Or he's just a regular season minutes eater (as you say). You mention contenders but didn't he start in our biggest win of the year against Golden State? I preach patience. We'll know, probably by the RRT, if Kyle will be in the rotation come playoff time. Bertans, too, I hope. Almost certainly one or more of Bertans, Simmons and Anderson will HAVE to eat some non-garbage time minutes in the playoffs. Someone will have to be the 10th man. And who knows if you can trust any of them, all three have disappointed me. Murray, despite his promise, will probably not play an important minute in these playoffs.

I don't have any of the stats you have (I'm too lazy). But the eye test says Kyle's defense has been good. If so, a back of the rotation guy on a rookie contract is acceptable for that value.

[Mnky]

The old metrics vs "eye test" argument. As much hate as Anderson gets and as much patience we have with Simmons, is there really a difference when comparing their raw numbers? If anything, Anderson might be a little more effective.

So why the love affair with Simmons? He's an athlete and that's exciting. If we're honest with ourselves they're comparable. Yet we say Simmons has "potential" when he's years older than Anderson which makes no fucking sense.
I have to admit though last game was painful to watch and Im not making any excuses for Anderson here.

Potential is not based on age. I'm not sure why so many people buy into this media centric idea.

Dedmon is 27, and still not near his potential because he has not played a lot of basketball. Your argument, in the case of age, would be that Kyle has more potential because he's younger? That's just laughable.

Simmons had potential to develop into a legitimate NBA slasher, when he first signed up he couldn't dribble past one guy. Now, he has a nasty cross over that works more often than not. He still has dribbling issues, but is capitalizing on his potential and growing into a legitimate NBA backup. He was a non-NBA player when he got signed up with just potential.

They are comparable, just like anyone is comparable, but their path and growth are far from similar. Simmons has grown leaps and bounds over Anderson, who was the legitimate better NBA player when Simmons signed on. People said then, that he was too old to develop, and Kyle had more potential due to age, these were mostly Kyle fans, simply because they don't really know much about basketball tbh. If you don't have much experience and plenty of ability, that's potential. Simmons doesn't have much experience and plenty of ability. Simmons coaches were never anything legitimate.

Anderson went to a legitimate program, and was a first round pick. He has momentum of experience. He also had skills such as rebounding and passing. That wasn't the potential, the potential was to evolve as an athlete and player in the NBA. He hasn't done that. It's okay to point out the facts about Kyle. He isn't playing well, and hasn't developed much. Those are just facts.

Maybe he turns it around and becomes a player? That's be great. The idea though, is that he has shown that his growth is very limited with experience and time, which he has 3 years of both with the best coach and development program in the NBA.

This shows a limit to that once perceived potential, and sets the bar much lower.

Players like dedmon and simmons, and even Murray have shown to grow with their limited experience exposure and make the most of pportunities.

Kyle fans are just making it more complicated than it has to be. He's currently playing bad, and isn't showing much development. Plain and simple, it's okay to point that out.

[Mr. Body]

He has been shit vs all contenders. The thing about playing a contender is that they will take advantage off a pick n roll switch and attack lateral deficient players. So he has ZERO fucking offensive impact. He is actually a negative impact player on offense. And then, he has length to play defense outside of one on one. So what do smart teams do, attack his ass one on one since he has ZERO fucking lateral movement. Outside of the RS, he shouldn't be played. How hard is it for fucking people to fucking understand. :lmao

Um, yeah, you genius, I'm saying he's good for eating up minutes right now. Maybe he gets better, maybe not, but I'm not advocating postseason play so calm the fuck down and learn how to read.

[south side spur]

Potential is not based on age. I'm not sure why so many people buy into this media centric idea.

Dedmon is 27, and still not near his potential because he has not played a lot of basketball. Your argument, in the case of age, would be that Kyle has more potential because he's younger? That's just laughable.

They are comparable, just like anyone is comparable, but their path and growth are far from similar. Simmons has grown leaps and bounds over Anderson, who was the legitimate better NBA player when Simmons signed on. People said then, that he was too old to develop, and Kyle had more potential due to age, these were mostly Kyle fans, simply because they don't really know much about basketball tbh. If you don't have much experience and plenty of ability, that's potential. Simmons doesn't have much experience and plenty of ability. Simmons coaches were never anything legitimate.

Anderson went to a legitimate program, and was a first round pick. He has momentum of experience. He also had skills such as rebounding and passing. That wasn't the potential, the potential was to evolve as an athlete and player in the NBA. He hasn't done that. It's okay to point out the facts about Kyle. He isn't playing well, and hasn't developed much. Those are just facts.

Maybe it is laughable but let's not act like organizations don't value younger players exponentially more when compared to acquiring journeymen. You are correct though age isn't the end all be all when potential is concerned.

I assume you are saying that Simmons will eventually develop into a more productive player than Anderson? Simmons may have grown leaps and bounds more than Anderson has but he's not a more productive player when looking at the metrics. I'm not certain that Simmons hasn't already fulfilled his potential I guess we'll have to wait on that.

I have no issue pointing out Anderson's faults. Yes, I've been a fan of his but I agree with your sentiment that his development has not been what we hoped for.

[Capt Bringdown]

You can't say the Spurs haven't given him opportunities. He's just not a ball player.

[HarlemHeat37]

His defense is nice, tbh..maybe he can carve out an Mbah a Moute career..

[100%duncan]

His defense is nice, tbh..maybe he can carve out an Mbah a Moute career..

Isn’t Mbah an athletic player tho

[HarlemHeat37]

Isn’t Mbah an athletic player tho

They were nothing alike in college, but Anderson is currently a plus defender-horrible offensive player..

[Mnky]

Maybe it is laughable but let's not act like organizations don't value younger players exponentially more when compared to acquiring journeymen. You are correct though age isn't the end all be all when potential is concerned.

I assume you are saying that Simmons will eventually develop into a more productive player than Anderson? Simmons may have grown leaps and bounds more than Anderson has but he's not a more productive player when looking at the metrics. I'm not certain that Simmons hasn't already fulfilled his potential I guess we'll have to wait on that.

I have no issue pointing out Anderson's faults. Yes, I've been a fan of his but I agree with your sentiment that his development has not been what we hoped for.



Simmons is already a more productive player than Anderson. Anderson used to be the better NBA player. That's how bad Simmons playing was when he first came in. He had all the athleticism and hardly any of the skill of an NBA players. People have also been saying simmons has 'fullfilled' his potential since his first year, which is just a re-skin of the original argument that he doesnt' have the potential of a younger player.

He's a legitimate backup in the NBA, whereas Anderson has not played like one. Metrics, I assume you're talking about hiding in the corner and picking up rebounds that fall between him and another spurs player. He has a good plus minus, because he plays with arguably the best starting front court in the NBA. kawhi and LMA haven't had too many games where they are outscored by opposing starters, thus the great record. When he plays with Manu and Patty, manu and patty have been lights out recently and he has just been a bystander. That's a different story with Simmons in.

When anderson is on the floor, the other team doesnt notice, when Simmons is, the other team realizes and HAS to be ready for him. Simmons has the ability to make the other team notice he's on the court, and mentally have to adjust for it. Anderson is nothing like that at this point.

I've been a fan of anderson since we drafted him, as he offered unique characteristics, but as I've said before, his character does not seem like one who wants to make the most of his opportunities. He seems much too soft, which is why, in my opinion, he excels in the d-league where most the players are as slow as him or can't outjump his reach and its' like he's playing with little brothers. He has had time to show he wants to be an integral part of the system, and has had more opportunities than most young guys get coming into the spurs system. He hasn't made much of them to this point. I still think he could develop, but to me it's more of a mental thing and he can't afford to be weak there as he's already physically outmatched by players.

[GSH]

They were nothing alike in college, but Anderson is currently a plus defender-horrible offensive player..


There's room in the NBA for a guy who can play D and work the boards. If he can really shoot 40% from 3 (and I think he can) then maybe there's a place for him. Then his ball-handling skills and any work he can do around the basket are a bonus. I have a lot of respect for the Spurs FO/coaches, but this time I think they held onto the idea of him being a point-forward for too long.

[dabom]

There's room in the NBA for a guy who can play D and work the boards. If he can really shoot 40% from 3 (and I think he can) then maybe there's a place for him. Then his ball-handling skills and any work he can do around the basket are a bonus. I have a lot of respect for the Spurs FO/coaches, but this time I think they held onto the idea of him being a point-forward for too long.

:lmao

[SAGirl]

There's room in the NBA for a guy who can play D and work the boards. If he can really shoot 40% from 3 (and I think he can) then maybe there's a place for him. Then his ball-handling skills and any work he can do around the basket are a bonus. I have a lot of respect for the Spurs FO/coaches, but this time I think they held onto the idea of him being a point-forward for too long.
I think Pop not really having a set spot for him was a hindrance... he filled up a lot of holes with guys injured last season and Pop really started the season (again) not knowing how to play him or where to play him, instead of as you say... just put him in a very simple role... let him focus on that and once he does those things well enough the other parts of his game would come to life... He (and Pop) went about it the other way, he wanted to do everything else without first fulfilling the necessary role of taking the open shot.

A lot of my recent posts have really been about that. I really think that is what got him in the doghouse to begin with. He knows what he needs to do... but he's having to change his game a lot from what he previously was... and that transformation is not quite there mentally.. though I think they have leaned on him hard enough, and his being in the doghouse has put pressure on him enough to know if he's passing up shots at this point he's going to back to the doghouse and maybe out of the team if he doesn't change his trajectory.. so I think the pressure is very real in his mind to shoot when open. My chat with you was actually of him having to get more used to shooting off the catch.. He started off the complete opposite of that.

I thought a visit to the dleague and a bit of just pure unadulterated chuckorama would get him in rhythm mentally.:toast

[south side spur]

Simmons is already a more productive player than Anderson.

Metrics, I assume you're talking about hiding in the corner and picking up rebounds that fall between him and another spurs player. He has a good plus minus, because he plays with arguably the best starting front court in the NBA. When he plays with Manu and Patty, manu and patty have been lights out recently and he has just been a bystander.


He seems much too soft, which is why, in my opinion, he excels in the d-league where most the players are as slow as him or can't outjump his reach and its' like he's playing with little brothers. I still think he could develop, but to me it's more of a mental thing and he can't afford to be weak there as he's already physically outmatched by players.

Honestly, I've never really been an advocate of metrics, it's really been guys like the kawhidiots who motivate me to do some research. I wasn't talking about plus/minus because I agree with you it makes "bystanders" look better.

I just wanted to look at the advanced stats and see if Anderson was as terrible as most on this board believe. I just wanted to see if I was missing something because I don't think we can just go on the eye test if there is any doubt.

I've heard the efficiency rating isn't everything but I assume that's mainly when your preferred player has a lower rating than another. Anderson has a slightly higher PER. I'm not saying that makes him more productive but it definitely doesn't make him less productive compared to Simmons.

Anderson's rebounding, block and steal stats are better. Simply put it's his length and that shouldn't be used against him. He's a good rebounder and defender overall. I really don't think we should discredit that.

When I say comparable I mean they're virtually identical in VORP and Win Shares as are most of the Spurs outside Kawhi. Simmons has a slightly higher True Shooting%. The one stat that separates them is Usage. So Anderson is the better defender and Simmons is the better offensive player.

I agree with your assessment of him being soft or weak. I thought Anderson would've been stronger by now but back to the potential argument. Can he get stronger? That's probably the one area where he should be able to improve without a doubt.

Regarding his mental state, he's getting the same wide open shots he got in summer league he just isn't making them. It's obvious he doesn't have the confidence he needs on the offensive end but again, can he develop that?

So that's all I meant about them being comparable or similar in their productivity it's just they produce on opposite ends of the court.

[sasaint]

Simmons is already a more productive player than Anderson. Anderson used to be the better NBA player. That's how bad Simmons playing was when he first came in. He had all the athleticism and hardly any of the skill of an NBA players. People have also been saying simmons has 'fullfilled' his potential since his first year, which is just a re-skin of the original argument that he doesnt' have the potential of a younger player.

He's a legitimate backup in the NBA, whereas Anderson has not played like one. Metrics, I assume you're talking about hiding in the corner and picking up rebounds that fall between him and another spurs player. He has a good plus minus, because he plays with arguably the best starting front court in the NBA. kawhi and LMA haven't had too many games where they are outscored by opposing starters, thus the great record. When he plays with Manu and Patty, manu and patty have been lights out recently and he has just been a bystander. That's a different story with Simmons in.

When anderson is on the floor, the other team doesnt notice, when Simmons is, the other team realizes and HAS to be ready for him. Simmons has the ability to make the other team notice he's on the court, and mentally have to adjust for it. Anderson is nothing like that at this point.

I've been a fan of anderson since we drafted him, as he offered unique characteristics, but as I've said before, his character does not seem like one who wants to make the most of his opportunities. He seems much too soft, which is why, in my opinion, he excels in the d-league where most the players are as slow as him or can't outjump his reach and its' like he's playing with little brothers. He has had time to show he wants to be an integral part of the system, and has had more opportunities than most young guys get coming into the spurs system. He hasn't made much of them to this point. I still think he could develop, but to me it's more of a mental thing and he can't afford to be weak there as he's already physically outmatched by players.

I was a fan of both Anderson and Simmons from their first SL game. I even coined a term, "Spurs TNG" because I thought they could become Spurs lifers. I am really encouraged by Simmons' progress this season, and I hope that he will solidify his spot as a regular rotation player - perhaps even become the sixth man. He has worked hard to play within the framework of the offense, and it shows. You could feel Simmons' restraint earlier this season. Now he seems like he is becoming comfortable enough to go back to some of his natural tendencies. When he fully develops the vision to know when to go with the flow of the offense and when to go with his individual athleticism, he will be a good NBA player.

With Kyle, you are right - I just don't see that Kyle shows much determination or grit or fire. Whatever real intensity I have seen from the guy has come on the boards - and that all too infrequently. Now, maybe the coaches, in trying to make him a Boris 2.0 just threw too much at him too fast and neutralized whatever aggression Kyle had. Or maybe he just never was anything but passive. He just never has shown that he was really willing to fight for a career in the NBA like Simmons has. After this much time on the team, that is most frustrating. His total unwillingness to put up open shots is the perfect symbol of his passivity.

[Mnky]

Honestly, I've never really been an advocate of metrics, it's really been guys like the kawhidiots who motivate me to do some research. I wasn't talking about plus/minus because I agree with you it makes "bystanders" look better.

I just wanted to look at the advanced stats and see if Anderson was as terrible as most on this board believe. I just wanted to see if I was missing something because I don't think we can just go on the eye test if there is any doubt.

I've heard the efficiency rating isn't everything but I assume that's mainly when your preferred player has a lower rating than another. Anderson has a slightly higher PER. I'm not saying that makes him more productive but it definitely doesn't make him less productive compared to Simmons.

Anderson's rebounding, block and steal stats are better. Simply put it's his length and that shouldn't be used against him. He's a good rebounder and defender overall. I really don't think we should discredit that.

When I say comparable I mean they're virtually identical in VORP and Win Shares as are most of the Spurs outside Kawhi. Simmons has a slightly higher True Shooting%. The one stat that separates them is Usage. So Anderson is the better defender and Simmons is the better offensive player.

I agree with your assessment of him being soft or weak. I thought Anderson would've been stronger by now but back to the potential argument. Can he get stronger? That's probably the one area where he should be able to improve without a doubt.

Regarding his mental state, he's getting the same wide open shots he got in summer league he just isn't making them. It's obvious he doesn't have the confidence he needs on the offensive end but again, can he develop that?

So that's all I meant about them being comparable or similar in their productivity it's just they produce on opposite ends of the court.

Yea I agree that metrics and efficiency can be very subjective. In the case of anderson, I think it's easy to see the difference they impact the game. Anderson has rest size and length which you can't coach, but I don't see him bang on the boards or block out much. I see a lot of balls fall into his hands. I thought he could get stronger, especially at his age where growth is magnified, but he has been a big let down in that area. To me, that shows the type of person he is. I don't think he's even as slow as he acts, albeit still slow, I believe he's just not engaged most the time. Someone like him has to be.

Simmons led the team in scoring the other night, and got almost 10 free throws. He did t have a great shooting night either, he just was constantly engaged and putting pressure on the other team. That's an intangible you can't always measure.

Kyle has that in the sense as a pg mindset, but has only shown in with frequent touches. If you need a lot of touches, to do something right, maybe you're not that good and the amount of attempts probably hide your realistic ability.

I think he can get better. My argument has always been that he has to want to, and have the right mindset. He hasn't shown either of those with his opportunities.

Hopefully he can start clicking though, as even as a trade or development item, itd be nice to get something from him.
I do believe he can be impacted on th defense and boards but it's nowhere consistent enough to feel good as the backup sf.

[100%duncan]

There's room in the NBA for a guy who can play D and work the boards. If he can really shoot 40% from 3 (and I think he can) then maybe there's a place for him. Then his ball-handling skills and any work he can do around the basket are a bonus. I have a lot of respect for the Spurs FO/coaches, but this time I think they held onto the idea of him being a point-forward for too long.

To put 40% (I’m assuming career-wise) into perspective...

Glen rice: 40.02%
Ray Allen: 40.02%
Kenny smith: 39.98%
Patty Mills: 39.46%
Kawhi: 39.27%
Eric Gordon: 38.88%
Dirk: 38.10%
KD:38.07%

and a little down below

Paul Pierce: 36.86%
Chris Paul: 36.73%

So yeah, you just can’t say you think he can shoot 40% when 1. It’s pretty difficult to do so and 2. he’s taken 14 threes this season so any percentage prior to last game was bullshit

[dabom]

And the guy shoots nothing but WIDE OPEN FUCKING SHOTS too. :lol

[tholdren]

Um, yeah, you genius, I'm saying he's good for eating up minutes right now. Maybe he gets better, maybe not, but I'm not advocating postseason play so calm the fuck down and learn how to read.
Mr. Body. You never cease to amaze me with your poetic responses telling people to calm down when you are incensed with rage in the same response. This is why I love Spurstalk. Keep making this place great.

[Mr. Body]

Mr. Body. You never cease to amaze me with your poetic responses telling people to calm down when you are incensed with rage in the same response. This is why I love Spurstalk. Keep making this place great.

Lol, will do!

[SAGirl]

I was a fan of both Anderson and Simmons from their first SL game. I even coined a term, "Spurs TNG" because I thought they could become Spurs lifers. I am really encouraged by Simmons' progress this season, and I hope that he will solidify his spot as a regular rotation player - perhaps even become the sixth man. He has worked hard to play within the framework of the offense, and it shows. You could feel Simmons' restraint earlier this season. Now he seems like he is becoming comfortable enough to go back to some of his natural tendencies. When he fully develops the vision to know when to go with the flow of the offense and when to go with his individual athleticism, he will be a good NBA player.

With Kyle, you are right - I just don't see that Kyle shows much determination or grit or fire. Whatever real intensity I have seen from the guy has come on the boards - and that all too infrequently. Now, maybe the coaches, in trying to make him a Boris 2.0 just threw too much at him too fast and neutralized whatever aggression Kyle had. Or maybe he just never was anything but passive. He just never has shown that he was really willing to fight for a career in the NBA like Simmons has. After this much time on the team, that is most frustrating. His total unwillingness to put up open shots is the perfect symbol of his passivity.
Disagree with that... he may not look it c he doesn't have a high motor, but he competes. He wouldn't be impactful if he wasn't competing on defense and he rebounds like a forward (compare that with DAvis rebound % of just 10%, and the guy is 6'10, taller and more athletic and other forwards bulkier than him like Diaw and Dwest who flat out didn't block out bigs or boarded....) If anything rebounding requires a lot more grit, getting bumped by guys tougher at times, and physical play. Now the Spurs switch everything and it affects where someone is for purposes of a rebound.. some games just guys are not going to get a lot of rebounding opportunities just due to defensive coverages etc... and some guys like Lee go for every rebound. I have observed Kyle boxing out and blocking out so Lee or someone else can grab a board... He's not a statpadder who steals boards from others... He just wasn't a shooter... purely his game was very different and he's had to change it bc he cannot play at this level the same way he had been playing. WE have to take into account that he was a pass first PG. He can't be that in the NBA. He has improved his shot a lot but he still doesn't have the mentality of a sniper. The sniper always wants to shoot.. some can get into straight up chucking at times. Kyle was a pass first PG... he can't be that anymore... but he still wants to pass. It's like going against an old nature. He is going to have to change his mentality a bit to fulfill a role and from there whatever happens, happens. He just has an unorthodox game which translating was going to be tricky. I do not think that means he doesn't compete... if anything he's having to change his game the most. Others just had to just refine and improve what they did more or less well, something Mkny and others have stated... they already had something they could do that perhaps was unrefined. Kyle basically had to reinvent himself... and shooting has to become a bigger part of his game than it previously was. He's not going to be a huge volume shooter anyways... but him cutting and doing other things has improved as well.. and he definitely has to be taking his open shots.

[sasaint]

Disagree with that... he may not look it c he doesn't have a high motor, but he competes. He wouldn't be impactful if he wasn't competing on defense and he rebounds like a forward (compare that with DAvis rebound % of just 10%, and the guy is 6'10, taller and more athletic and other forwards bulkier than him like Diaw and Dwest who flat out didn't block out bigs or boarded....) If anything rebounding requires a lot more grit, getting bumped by guys tougher at times, and physical play. Now the Spurs switch everything and it affects where someone is for purposes of a rebound.. some games just guys are not going to get a lot of rebounding opportunities just due to defensive coverages etc... and some guys like Lee go for every rebound. I have observed Kyle boxing out and blocking out so Lee or someone else can grab a board... He's not a statpadder who steals boards from others... He just wasn't a shooter... purely his game was very different and he's had to change it bc he cannot play at this level the same way he had been playing. WE have to take into account that he was a pass first PG. He can't be that in the NBA. He has improved his shot a lot but he still doesn't have the mentality of a sniper. The sniper always wants to shoot.. some can get into straight up chucking at times. Kyle was a pass first PG... he can't be that anymore... but he still wants to pass. It's like going against an old nature. He is going to have to change his mentality a bit to fulfill a role and from there whatever happens, happens. He just has an unorthodox game which translating was going to be tricky. I do not think that means he doesn't compete... if anything he's having to change his game the most. Others just had to just refine and improve what they did more or less well, something Mkny and others have stated... they already had something they could do that perhaps was unrefined. Kyle basically had to reinvent himself... and shooting has to become a bigger part of his game than it previously was. He's not going to be a huge volume shooter anyways... but him cutting and doing other things has improved as well.. and he definitely has to be taking his open shots.

The first part of your argument is really against a straw man. Yes, he shows some grit on the boards (as I said - and have consistently said), but I would like to see more of it. And yes, he has had to reinvent himself in a manner that is unnatural for him.

Maybe I did a poor job in my earlier post of describing what I may not have the ability to capture with words. It is something intangible that I see and feel in Kyle's play - maybe it's in his body language. He simply doesn't give me the feeling that he is playing with an "edge" or "with a chip on his shoulder." Try this: he plays like a big dog with little fight in him, in contrast to Patty who plays like a small dog with big fight in him. He just seems to play basketball by the numbers not with feeling and passion. Like I said, I can't provide any metrics to support my eye test.

You and I have discussed Kyle enough that you know where I am coming from. I was a True Believer, I am just very disappointed in where he is at this stage of his career. I wish him the best, and I also want the Spurs to get the most out of him that they can - on the floor or by trade.

[SAGirl]

The first part of your argument is really against a straw man. Yes, he shows some grit on the boards (as I said - and have consistently said), but I would like to see more of it. And yes, he has had to reinvent himself in a manner that is unnatural for him.

Maybe I did a poor job in my earlier post of describing what I may not have the ability to capture with words. It is something intangible that I see and feel in Kyle's play - maybe it's in his body language. He simply doesn't give me the feeling that he is playing with an "edge" or "with a chip on his shoulder." Try this: he plays like a big dog with little fight in him, in contrast to Patty who plays like a small dog with big fight in him. He just seems to play basketball by the numbers not with feeling and passion. Like I said, I can't provide any metrics to support my eye test.

You and I have discussed Kyle enough that you know where I am coming from. I was a True Believer, I am just very disappointed in where he is at this stage of his career. I wish him the best, and I also want the Spurs to get the most out of him that they can - on the floor or by trade.
I only really expected one improvement this season that was within his power... to shoot more when open.. He has an improved jumper... we saw it over the summer and to open the season it was something that Pop himself has said, so him coming in with the wrong mentality has disappointed me for sure.

We shall disagree on the rest, as personal appreciation is personal on whether the guy is competitive. I believe he is. He would not have won as much as he has in his young life out of sheer rolling out of bed and having talent. Dude has been a winner all his life. Some guys have a high motor ... Patty has that God bless him, that doesn't make him the only competitor in the sport. Kyle has won a good percentage of "rest games" he has had to step up for others at several spots.. think about that. Sure he's not doing the scoring but he does what he can... gets you a big rebound, a deflection or steal. The past game he had 5 assists... etc. He's just not going to pass the eye test bc he doesn't have a high motor. But he's going to have to change the mentality to be more impactful offensively, and the easiest way is taking his open shots. Hopefully he makes that transition this season. In reality he started playing with very, very high usage players and scoring is not what they were looking for him...

[MVPCues]

The first part of your argument is really against a straw man. Yes, he shows some grit on the boards (as I said - and have consistently said), but I would like to see more of it. And yes, he has had to reinvent himself in a manner that is unnatural for him.

Maybe I did a poor job in my earlier post of describing what I may not have the ability to capture with words. It is something intangible that I see and feel in Kyle's play - maybe it's in his body language. He simply doesn't give me the feeling that he is playing with an "edge" or "with a chip on his shoulder." Try this: he plays like a big dog with little fight in him, in contrast to Patty who plays like a small dog with big fight in him. He just seems to play basketball by the numbers not with feeling and passion. Like I said, I can't provide any metrics to support my eye test.

You and I have discussed Kyle enough that you know where I am coming from. I was a True Believer, I am just very disappointed in where he is at this stage of his career. I wish him the best, and I also want the Spurs to get the most out of him that they can - on the floor or by trade.

i see what you see also. It *is* sort of hard to put into words. Maybe 1/2 not wanting to stick his neck out for fear of screwing up, and 1/2 not playing with any real fire.

[SAGirl]

It might be what you both describe is indeed him being passive and not looking to score... as he's not a shooter I think that limits him off the ball... but it's got to change. Although he missed shots I was encouraged that he did not pass them up the last game.

He's going back to being a deep bench reserve anyways...
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[Mnky]

I was a fan of both Anderson and Simmons from their first SL game. I even coined a term, "Spurs TNG" because I thought they could become Spurs lifers. I am really encouraged by Simmons' progress this season, and I hope that he will solidify his spot as a regular rotation player - perhaps even become the sixth man. He has worked hard to play within the framework of the offense, and it shows. You could feel Simmons' restraint earlier this season. Now he seems like he is becoming comfortable enough to go back to some of his natural tendencies. When he fully develops the vision to know when to go with the flow of the offense and when to go with his individual athleticism, he will be a good NBA player.

With Kyle, you are right - I just don't see that Kyle shows much determination or grit or fire. Whatever real intensity I have seen from the guy has come on the boards - and that all too infrequently. Now, maybe the coaches, in trying to make him a Boris 2.0 just threw too much at him too fast and neutralized whatever aggression Kyle had. Or maybe he just never was anything but passive. He just never has shown that he was really willing to fight for a career in the NBA like Simmons has. After this much time on the team, that is most frustrating. His total unwillingness to put up open shots is the perfect symbol of his passivity.

Agreed on most accounts. I wonder how much they invest in him going forward, with the team needing to evolve to keep up with the west. If they don't have any other options, I'm sure they keep him around for familiarity if he wants to stay.

[sasaint]

Agreed on most accounts. I wonder how much they invest in him going forward, with the team needing to evolve to keep up with the west. If they don't have any other options, I'm sure they keep him around for familiarity if he wants to stay.

Kyle won't be kept around like Bonner. But I am beginning to believe that PATFO will keep him around until his contract expires and then just unceremoniously let him go.

[HarlemHeat37]

In a game where nobody played much defense on either team, Anderson stood out, as usual, tbh..been a great defender, all season, and continued it tonight..

It's a shame he's virtually useless on offense and hasn't developed a niche on this team, unfortunately..he could be a nice asset in the playoffs if he could be playable on that side of the floor..

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, he had some great moments.

[bklynspursfan]

Aside from several defensive lapses, this was probably his most impactful game

[SAGirl]

In a game where nobody played much defense on either team, Anderson stood out, as usual, tbh..been a great defender, all season, and continued it tonight..

It's a shame he's virtually useless on offense and hasn't developed a niche on this team, unfortunately..he could be a nice asset in the playoffs if he could be playable on that side of the floor..
Agree.. :tu
If only...

[SAGirl]

It's been a while since I posted here.
I found a nice little article.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/02/22/kyle-anderson-is-dedicated-and-will-continue-to-stay-ready-for-spurs/
I had noticed he's played much better recently but truly didn't think much of it except it's a good sign for next season perhaps. Many have given up on this dude perhaps wrongly.
According to the article his name never surfaced in trade talks with the league.... and frankly although the article doesn't mention anyone else, I doubt any Spurs were discussed at the trade deadline. It was quiet.

Though he takes few attempts he's shooting 40% on the 3.

[Ice009]

How do you view those Express-News articles if you are outside of the US? There are Spurs articles that I want to read, but some aren't linked to on the writer's twitter account. I can find some of them through the links they post on twitter, but other ones I can't find.

[Blake]

It's been a while since I posted here.
I found a nice little article.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/02/22/kyle-anderson-is-dedicated-and-will-continue-to-stay-ready-for-spurs/
I had noticed he's played much better recently but truly didn't think much of it except it's a good sign for next season perhaps. Many have given up on this dude perhaps wrongly.
According to the article his name never surfaced in trade talks with the league.... and frankly although the article doesn't mention anyone else, I doubt any Spurs were discussed at the trade deadline. It was quiet.

Though he takes few attempts he's shooting 40% on the 3.

I'm shocked nobody was begging to acquire him

[HarlemHeat37]

Hopefully he's back soon, could have used the 2nd best defender on the team, tbh..need more Anderson, less Simmons..

[spursistan]

Hopefully he's back soon, could have used the 2nd best defender on the team, tbh..need more Anderson, less Simmons..
Yep...Anderson was a disaster early in the season but he's gradually played his way back into into decent level..His defense and boarding is enough of consistent contribution compared to what Simmons has been given us lately..

It is a shame he got injured last night while he had a great outing that could have convinced Pop to give him more non-GT minutes..

[sasaint]

Yep...Anderson was a disaster early in the season but he's gradually played his way back into into decent level..His defense and boarding is enough of consistent contribution compared to what Simmons has been given us lately..

It is a shame he got injured last night while he had a great outing that could have convinced Pop to give him more non-GT minutes..

He may still get a few, better minutes. He played a solid game last night, plus Simmons is just erratic in the extreme.

[cd021]

Haven't been able to watch many games recently (work schedule). Any chance Anderson may replace Simmons as the backup 3? Especially with Gasol shooting more 3's while playing as the backup five along with Mills, Manu, and Lee.

[SAGirl]

I doubt it. He's been playing well for many games now and in a consistent fashion. Simmons has been erratic and mistake prone on top of being in a lengthy shooting slump and still passing up shots and Pop has instead spoonfed him minutes whenever there are opportunities which just leads me to believe that Pop has doubled down with Simmons and is trying to get him going offensively.

I don't foresee any further changes or experiments this late in the season and for Simmons to get benched it would take an epic meltdown.... which I am not wishing for bc it's not a good sign for the team.

However, Kyle has reportedly stayed ready to play if needed and it shows bc he's ready to go despite not playing for some time. (Bertanz too) so one never knows specially in the playoffs.

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, it's his time now, tbh..PF is his best position, he's certainly going to have a shot at making an impact, let's hope he steps up..

At the very least, he'll provide a defensive specialist look to contrast Lee's offense..

[Chinook]

Parker, Green, Anderson, Bertans, Dedmon
Mills, Manu/Murray, Simmons/Manu, Lee, Gasol

Do that for every time you can get away with it.

[spursistan]

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Been low-key playing well for how terribly he started the year..Still need to finish with more force around rim..

[Mr. Body]

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Been low-key playing well for how terribly he started the year..Still need to finish with more force around rim..

I'd still like him to push to be impactful rather than an essentially neutral presence, but there's something to be said for a plug-in guy who can eat minutes and not fuck things up.

[TheGreatYacht]

Played well against players in his level. The D-League level

[SAGirl]

^ Thanks for sharing. :tu

Sounded like Pop said he's reached a level of consistency that inspires confidence in Pop.

He definitely started the season off but I said back then, not only is probably the SG spot less than ideal for him, he was playing with super high usage players at a time they were trying to get their own stuff going first, integrate Pau (who is now in the bench so go figure how well he was in the SL anyways), and Tony played through some injuries to start the season and he wasn't good. It just fed into a passive state by Kyle, which was awful for him and team. Anyways, since then he has been consistently playing well.

The team is now 11-1 when Kyle starts. Those are great odds considering he plays in Kawhi's stead, a league MVP caliber player (and sometimes Danny, which again, not an ideal spot for Kyle and different skillsets)... but he can make do bc he's a solid roleplayer.

Hate comparisons with Simmons in general as they are different kind of players anyways, but since they compete for minutes at times it's inescapable. Spurs are 1-2 when Simmons starts in comparison, and the one win the team had with Simmons starting was the Sacramento game where he was just awful, as well as Pop's starting rotation with him in it and the Spurs pulled an epic comeback of historic proportions in the Poppovich era and the biggest of the season for any NBA team. That epic comeback was spearheaded by Mills, Manu and Lee with Kyle and Dijon.

I suppose Kyle's solid play was not lost on coach, and I think that earned him the start in this game and good call by coach Pop in his lineups.

He's also not passing up his corner 3 pt shot and is shooting it at a very good percentage.

The team will need him in this stretch so let's hope that shooting % and good play holds up the rest of the season.

A good thing I have also noticed is that since he's been willing to shoot more he has been able to play well no matter what forward spot he's playing at or the lineup Pop has him in so that is great to see. I really thought him taking that 3 would open up his opportunities and chances to be a positive impact player and I think it has. The fact he's not passing up that shot made the difference in him being able to play with Dedmon and Lee well for example and a bigger variety of lineups and fit in with more guys... so his versatility is also useful.
13/8/6/1 from a roleplayer who was out of the rotation, on good efficiency is a great line.

GoSpursGo
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[cd021]

Really played well aside from that blown layup. He looks like he turned a corner. I would like to see him get the backup PF spot, with LMA out and Lee stepping into the ,starting unit, then again, Pop could split the minutes at backup 4 (at least 20 minutes per game, probably) between Anderson and Bertans to see how they fair.

[BillMc]

Kyle - 2 starts against Golden State, 2 blow outs in our favor. Coincidence?

(Yeah, probably. But he played great tonight. Guy can be plugged into 2 maybe 3 positions)

[ceperez]

^ Thanks for sharing. :tu

Sounded like Pop said he's reached a level of consistency that inspires confidence in Pop.

He definitely started the season off but I said back then, not only is probably the SG spot less than ideal for him, he was playing with super high usage players at a time they were trying to get their own stuff going first, integrate Pau (who is now in the bench so go figure how well he was in the SL anyways), and Tony played through some injuries to start the season and he wasn't good. It just fed into a passive state by Kyle, which was awful for him and team. Anyways, since then he has been consistently playing well.

The team is now 11-1 when Kyle starts. Those are great odds considering he plays in Kawhi's stead, a league MVP caliber player (and sometimes Danny, which again, not an ideal spot for Kyle and different skillsets)... but he can make do bc he's a solid roleplayer.

Hate comparisons with Simmons in general as they are different kind of players anyways, but since they compete for minutes at times it's inescapable. Spurs are 1-2 when Simmons starts in comparison, and the one win the team had with Simmons starting was the Sacramento game where he was just awful, as well as Pop's starting rotation with him in it and the Spurs pulled an epic comeback of historic proportions in the Poppovich era and the biggest of the season for any NBA team. That epic comeback was spearheaded by Mills, Manu and Lee with Kyle and Dijon.

I suppose Kyle's solid play was not lost on coach, and I think that earned him the start in this game and good call by coach Pop in his lineups.

He's also not passing up his corner 3 pt shot and is shooting it at a very good percentage.

The team will need him in this stretch so let's hope that shooting % and good play holds up the rest of the season.

A good thing I have also noticed is that since he's been willing to shoot more he has been able to play well no matter what forward spot he's playing at or the lineup Pop has him in so that is great to see. I really thought him taking that 3 would open up his opportunities and chances to be a positive impact player and I think it has. The fact he's not passing up that shot made the difference in him being able to play with Dedmon and Lee well for example and a bigger variety of lineups and fit in with more guys... so his versatility is also useful.
13/8/6/1 from a roleplayer who was out of the rotation, on good efficiency is a great line.

GoSpursGo
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Since you mentioned Simmons, ever since the wrist injury, he hasn't been effective in offense. His confidence taking the 3 has rocked bottomed and seems to be able only to make it when in rhythm but scared to shoot when really open. I haven't seen Simmons make the kind of impact he had last season or the first half of the season. Simmons has potential, however his stock has dropped a lot recently. On the other hand, NBA teams covet athleticism, so he's going to definitely get paid when he leaves the Spurs.

The two things going for Anderson has been his IQ and his length. You can't teach both. He of course has zero athleticism, explains why he can't finish a break away layup. He's made improvements in his defense and honestly he does get a lot of deflections and steals.

I had higher expectations when he was drafted, but that needs to be dialed down. He's a decent role player and his ceiling is likely to be less than Livingston. He'll fit only in the Spurs and will be totally worthless elsewhere. Due to his lack of athleticism, NBA teams will discount his value and it is unlikely that another NBA team will pick up his contract. He's a Matt Bonner, Spurs player until retirement.

[Brazil]

I would be very concern by pop comment tbh...

its like dude is mediocre but at least don't make many mistakes... a consistent mediocre mistakeless player :lol

[Mr. Body]

I would be very concern by pop comment tbh...

its like dude is mediocre but at least don't make many mistakes... a consistent mediocre mistakeless player :lol

That's a misreading to an extreme.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I would be very concern by pop comment tbh...

its like dude is mediocre but at least don't make many mistakes... a consistent mediocre mistakeless player :lol

Consistent mediocre mistakeless players makes decent money in the league, see Jonas Jerebko.

[Brazil]

That's a misreading to an extreme.

"He is the same every game" 4 pts 2 reb 0 tov 1 assist... decent defense... no mistake... a consistent mediocre mistakeless player not progressing...

[Chinook]

Nothing wrong with being mediocre, and even less wrong with being consistent as a deep-bench guy. Now if Pop would just move Kyle to the four with LMA out, we'd be in business.

[Mr. Body]

"He is the same every game" 4 pts 2 reb 0 tov 1 assist... decent defense... no mistake... a consistent mediocre mistakeless player not progressing...

Yeah, read it again. Until you get it. It's not hard.

[skulls138]

I was surprised that KAs numbers were as good as they were. I felt like it was another game where he was on the brink of having a great game but didnt. I feel hes still dealing with his confidence level and having to prove himself. But he seems to have a positive effect on the game every time he takes the floor these days. And hes finally taking the three when open, but still tentative also.

[dabom]

Fathead minutes is bad. Because pop can't help himself and makes him wanna play him in the playoffs. :lmao

[SAGirl]

Almost got a triple double without really stat padding or being ball dominant. Just playing with teammates and doing what he needed to.
Any other deep bench player gets you that line + a win and you have guys going crazy but bc bc it's him, for the trolls it doesn't count. Can't do anything about that... haters got to hate.

[Brazil]

Yeah, read it again. Until you get it. It's not hard.

Yeah I read it again, he is the same every game. Try to get it

[bklynspursfan]

Nothing wrong with being mediocre, and even less wrong with being consistent as a deep-bench guy. Now if Pop would just move Kyle to the four with LMA out, we'd be in business.

Depending on the matchup he may get minutes there. I'd have Bertans there personally due to his ability to stretch the floor , but he's got his own issues defensively.

As long as we aren't playing a big team or super quick/athletic front court, he should be ok there

[Mr. Body]

Yeah I read it again, he is the same every game. Try to get it

Are you retarded? Pop doesn't give a shit about stats. Pop is supporting Anderson. Only you're left in the hazy dreams of a retard.

[skulls138]

Almost got a triple double without really stat padding or being ball dominant. Just playing with teammates and doing what he needed to.
Any other deep bench player gets you that line + a win and you have guys going crazy but bc bc it's him, for the trolls it doesn't count. Can't do anything about that... haters got to hate.I know. Their is probably 80% talk on here about whats wrong with the Spurs to 20% whats good....and we are close to being #1 in the NBA :lol

If our team does good they make fun of the other team as if they are pathetic for losing to us :lol

[Blake]

Almost got a triple double without really stat padding or being ball dominant. Just playing with teammates and doing what he needed to.
Any other deep bench player gets you that line + a win and you have guys going crazy but bc bc it's him, for the trolls it doesn't count. Can't do anything about that... haters got to hate.

For whatever reason he dominates D League caliber players.

[sasaint]

Almost got a triple double without really stat padding or being ball dominant. Just playing with teammates and doing what he needed to.
Any other deep bench player gets you that line + a win and you have guys going crazy but bc bc it's him, for the trolls it doesn't count. Can't do anything about that... haters got to hate.

Kyle played an excellent game against the same players he would have been facing most of the time if both teams had been at full strength. He just would not have logged 32 minutes. It will be very interesting to see how much time Pop gives him going forward - especially next game, and especially when Kawhi returns. Hope he gets a lot of the minutes that would have gone to LMA.

[Ice009]

I've changed my tune on Anderson. If played in the right position (PF that can play-make seems to be his spot), he's very helpful to the team.

I have also turned around on him because he's actually taking those open threes and even making some of them.

I was for Simmons, but not anymore. Simmons is so bad at passing up open shots and making stupid plays and turnovers. Their basketball IQs are on the opposite ends of the spectrum.

[dabom]

I've changed my tune on Anderson. If played in the right position, he's very helpful to the team.

I have also turned around on him because he's actually taking those open threes and even making some of them.

I was for Simmons, but not anymore. Simmons is so bad at passing up open shots and making stupid plays and turnovers. Their basketball IQs are on the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Fathead has zero IQ. What exactly makes him smart?

[skulls138]

I've changed my tune on Anderson. If played in the right position (PF that can play-make seems to be his spot), he's very helpful to the team.

I have also turned around on him because he's actually taking those open threes and even making some of them.

I was for Simmons, but not anymore. Simmons is so bad at passing up open shots and making stupid plays and turnovers. Their basketball IQs are on the opposite ends of the spectrum.Yes, the problem seemed more that he wasnt taking them than that he wasnt making them.

Simmons will continue to get his shot at playing because hes earned it and hes rough.

[Down Under]

Anderson's defensive effectiveness is unbelievable for someone so slow. He's got really quick hands and is such a good help defender, everytime someone gets burned he'll always rotate as well as knowing his limitations very well. He seems to be spotting up a bit more for corner 3's which is at least a start for his offense. So frustrating being such a reluctant shooter from anywhere.

[Brazil]

Are you retarded? Pop doesn't give a shit about stats. Pop is supporting Anderson. Only you're left in the hazy dreams of a retard.

keep your retarded argument for yourself dumbass.

[ceperez]

Anderson's defensive effectiveness is unbelievable for someone so slow. He's got really quick hands and is such a good help defender, everytime someone gets burned he'll always rotate as well as knowing his limitations very well. He seems to be spotting up a bit more for corner 3's which is at least a start for his offense. So frustrating being such a reluctant shooter from anywhere.

Being a point guard and having a long wingspan helps him defensively know where the ball is going to be and deflecting the ball. He knows where the ball is going to go and is able to be disruptive defensively.

[GSH]

Nothing wrong with being mediocre, and even less wrong with being consistent as a deep-bench guy. Now if Pop would just move Kyle to the four with LMA out, we'd be in business.


I'd vote for that - if they let us vote. He's far from mistake-free. And I've watched him get run down in transition way too many times to think he can function as a legit 2 or 3, regardless of what positives he has. The Spurs would be doing him a favor by letting him settle in as a backup four.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fathead should, under no circumstance, get minutes ahead of Bertans.

[GSH]

Fathead has zero IQ. What exactly makes him smart?


LOL. You should not toss up lobs like that. I'm literally biting my tongue. :lol

The coaching staff's comments say that Kyle is a very smart player. Those are the same people who thought they could make him an NBA point guard, so I can understand if you have to take them at a discount. I think Kyle is smart enough. But those career-mediocre players people are talking about usually have a niche.

Kyle is a reasonably good defender - except when he isn't. He can knock down 3's - but not when he won't shoot them. He's a good rebounder, but he doesn't get enough opportunities because of how he's being used. Not exactly a recipe for success.

[coachmac87]

Kyle Andersons failure so far has everything to do with him not being able to become a good/decent shooter...

The Spurs have the best shooting coach in the world and one of the best development stafffs in the league..and honestly what makes it worst for him is that he doesn't have an NBA skill or trait..IQ doesn't translate here.

If Anderson could've established himself as s shooter from the corner or at least grew confidence so he wouldn't hesitate on open looks it would've opened up sooooo much more for his game. But since I think that's become a failed experiment in that aspect the Spurs gave up...and I don't blame them

[bklynspursfan]

I'd vote for that - if they let us vote. He's far from mistake-free. And I've watched him get run down in transition way too many times to think he can function as a legit 2 or 3, regardless of what positives he has. The Spurs would be doing him a favor by letting him settle in as a backup four.

There just aren't enough minutes there for him. Maybe with LMA out, but there's no real argument that he's more deserving of minutes than Lee at that spot. Gotta feel like he had his shot, and it slipped through for him. There was some hype surrounding his growth coming into this season, and it just didn't pan out that way.

[dabom]

LOL. You should not toss up lobs like that. I'm literally biting my tongue. :lol

The coaching staff's comments say that Kyle is a very smart player. Those are the same people who thought they could make him an NBA point guard, so I can understand if you have to take them at a discount. I think Kyle is smart enough. But those career-mediocre players people are talking about usually have a niche.

Kyle is a reasonably good defender - except when he isn't. He can knock down 3's - but not when he won't shoot them. He's a good rebounder, but he doesn't get enough opportunities because of how he's being used. Not exactly a recipe for success.

He's not good at anything. Maybe good off ball defense. But he would get wrecked 1on1 in the playoffs. He just doesn't work in the playoffs.

[bklynspursfan]

Kyle Andersons failure so far has everything to do with him not being able to become a good/decent shooter...

The Spurs have the best shooting coach in the world and one of the best development stafffs in the league..and honestly what makes it worst for him is that he doesn't have an NBA skill or trait..IQ doesn't translate here.

If Anderson could've established himself as s shooter from the corner or at least grew confidence so he wouldn't hesitate on open looks it would've opened up sooooo much more for his game. But since I think that's become a failed experiment in that aspect the Spurs gave up...and I don't blame them

Pretty much sums up how I feel. I know he can do some things well, but you have to be flexible/versatile to a certain degree to play on this team, especially on the 2nd unit. I get that he does well at the 4, but if that's not a realistic scenario, then there should be some adaptation to do other things at another position.

Simmons is probably in the same boat, but his athleticism/speed and ability to make momentum shifting plays probably keeps him getting more minutes.

[coachmac87]

Pretty much sums up how I feel. I know he can do some things well, but you have to be flexible/versatile to a certain degree to play on this team, especially on the 2nd unit. I get that he does well at the 4, but if that's not a realistic scenario, then there should be some adaptation to do other things at another position.

Simmons is probably in the same boat, but his athleticism/speed and ability to make momentum shifting plays probably keeps him getting more minutes.



Simmons was looking OK shooting the ball earlier this season and was hopeful he'd make that leap. But he hurt his wrist on I believe his shooting hand..which will fuck things up..especially for someone who wasn't fully confident in his shot yet but was making progress

[Chinook]

There just aren't enough minutes there for him. Maybe with LMA out, but there's no real argument that he's more deserving of minutes than Lee at that spot. Gotta feel like he had his shot, and it slipped through for him. There was some hype surrounding his growth coming into this season, and it just didn't pan out that way.

Kyle still has next year as well. I'd like to see them keep Lee, but if they don't, there's no guarantee that they will find a backup four who would get those minutes. To put it into perspective, Kyle has 2500 minutes so far. Cory in his first three years played 1500. In year four, Joseph doubled his total minutes and went on to have a big contract.

[spursistan]

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[coachmac87]

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"Solid" is not good enough tbh..

[ceperez]

Kyle still has next year as well. I'd like to see them keep Lee, but if they don't, there's no guarantee that they will find a backup four who would get those minutes. To put it into perspective, Kyle has 2500 minutes so far. Cory in his first three years played 1500. In year four, Joseph doubled his total minutes and went on to have a big contract.

Good to highlight the comparison with Cory. What about Simmons and Bertans. I'm sure Bertans numbers point to that he's the best rookie since Leonard.

[bklynspursfan]

Kyle still has next year as well. I'd like to see them keep Lee, but if they don't, there's no guarantee that they will find a backup four who would get those minutes. To put it into perspective, Kyle has 2500 minutes so far. Cory in his first three years played 1500. In year four, Joseph doubled his total minutes and went on to have a big contract.

Interesting... Yea it'll be interesting to see what happens. I do think he should try his hardest to be effective at other spots and not solely at the 4. Sure he'll be out there with different lineups and guys he might not be familiar with , but it'd go a long way if he becomes a guy you could play at several positions effectively. There are times he looks lost out there. The jump shot changes everything though. He could also be in a battle with Bertans for those minutes

[ceperez]

I think Kyle is playing the wrong kind of game, he's tryng to be a finese player when he doesn't have the athleticism.

He's should start playing like an enforcer type player. A Bill Lambier that barely gets of the ground.

[dabom]

"Solid" is not good enough tbh..

When you lower your expectations and then start from there. I guess it's "solid". :lol

[cd021]

Good to highlight the comparison with Cory. What about Simmons and Bertans. I'm sure Bertans numbers point to that he's the best rookie since Leonard.

I've also used the Cojo comp, when people tried to call him a bust. As is, he is already far ahead of where Cojo was ,imo. If Simmons is gone, he has a chance to really show something in his forth season.

[coachmac87]

When you lower your expectations and then start from there. I guess it's "solid". :lol


A coach very rarely will publicly criticize a player and say they're trash. So the next best thing they can say is your "solid".

It's not a word you want to hear from a coach if you're a player tbh

[Chinook]

A coach very rarely will publicly criticize a player and say they're trash. So the next best thing they can say is your "solid".

It's not a word you want to hear from a coach if you're a player tbh

I'd disagree. First, because told Simmons that he needed to work on being "solid" in the off-season. If it were his euphemism for trash, it wouldn't make any sense. Second, they say coaches value a lower but consistent average over a higher but more volatile average. So being solid rather than streaky would be virtuous.

[coachmac87]

I've also used the Cojo comp, when people tried to call him a bust. As is, he is already far ahead of where Cojo was ,imo. If Simmons is gone, he has a chance to really show something in his forth season.

Why does Simmons matter? They don't play the same position...

Again if we're hoping Simmons exit helps Anderson...that's a problem. His problem is he can't play a role. He can only succeed with the ball in his hands (summer league). Again if he could only shoot there wouldn't be an issue

[coachmac87]

I'd disagree. First, because told Simmons that he needed to work on being "solid" in the off-season. If it were his euphemism for trash, it wouldn't make any sense. Second, they say coaches value a lower but consistent average over a higher but more volatile average. So being solid rather than streaky would be virtuous.

From my understanding a media member asked Pop about Kyle and Pop response was he's been solid. Solid is just a vague description..

[HarlemHeat37]

He's been great, lately, one of the best defensive players in the NBA and finally showing some signs of offense(albeit against poor competition)..

Unfortunately, he's playing on a team with a stacked big man rotation..even Bertans would be a rotation player on most teams..

[Chinook]

From my understanding a media member asked Pop about Kyle and Pop response was he's been solid. Solid is just a vague description..

What I'm saying is that Pop's comments prior to this imply that being "solid" is something he values. He didn't think a guy like Simmons was solid last year, and he might still not. So saying Kyle is solid every game is like saying, "I don't have to worry about him being able to do his job." And that's not a criticism.

[coachmac87]

What I'm saying is that Pop's comments prior to this imply that being "solid" is something he values. He didn't think a guy like Simmons was solid last year, and he might still not. So saying Kyle is solid every game is like saying, "I don't have to worry about him being able to do his job." And that's not a criticism.

I get what you're saying. But like my first post said "solid" isn't good enough..it never is.

Being "solid" has gotten him ZERO playing time this year. While the guys who aren't "solid" across the board like Simmons, Bertans have seen some. They have a higher ceiling with certain traits that can win you games (shooting, athleticism). Being solid in the coaching world is not a good thing..because you can always do or get more then solid.

[look_at_g_shred]

I get what you're saying. But like my first post said "solid" isn't good enough..it never is.

Being "solid" has gotten him ZERO playing time this year. While the guys who aren't "solid" across the board like Simmons, Bertans have seen some. They have a higher ceiling with certain traits that can win you games (shooting, athleticism). Being solid in the coaching world is not a good thing..because you can always do or get more then solid.
...but that's pop. He rarely goes into detail on what he thinks or sees.

[sasaint]

What I'm saying is that Pop's comments prior to this imply that being "solid" is something he values. He didn't think a guy like Simmons was solid last year, and he might still not. So saying Kyle is solid every game is like saying, "I don't have to worry about him being able to do his job." And that's not a criticism.

I think "solid" can be context-dependent. In this instance, I think you are exactly right. And the comparison/contrast with Simmons is illustrative. Simmons shows some fantastic flashes on both ends of the court, but he also makes some very poor plays. He is extremely erratic. Pop would naturally encourage him to become "solid." By contrast, Kyle has been very solid of late - reliable and not erratic like Simmons.

[Seventyniner]

To me, "solid" implies a high floor. It can be used as a compliment (for a player who has improved their floor) or in a backhanded way (insinuating that the player has a low ceiling).

[Chinook]

I get what you're saying. But like my first post said "solid" isn't good enough..it never is.

Being "solid" has gotten him ZERO playing time this year. While the guys who aren't "solid" across the board like Simmons, Bertans have seen some. They have a higher ceiling with certain traits that can win you games (shooting, athleticism). Being solid in the coaching world is not a good thing..because you can always do or get more then solid.

Well, as I said before, they say that coaches value stability over volatility. So having a guy like Simmons with a higher ceiling but lower floor isn't necessarily that appealing. There are multiple players who have made long careers being solid and mediocre. It's good enough in a lot of cases.

The Spurs won't find a better defender than Anderson on the market for anything affordable. Nor will they find someone who can make plays and rebound for his price tag. Don't confuse is overall mediocrity for a lack of marketable skills. The dude is a few PPG away from being an everyday player. The rest of his game is not the problem.

[Chinook]

To me, "solid" implies a high floor. It can be used as a compliment (for a player who has improved their floor) or in a backhanded way (insinuating that the player has a low ceiling).

Sure, but a high-floor/low-ceiling player is still not a bad player. Pop may have given up on Anderson having a ton of potential (I don't think he has), but he could still totally think he is a guy he'd like to have on his bench for years due to the things Kyle can do.

[Seventyniner]

Simmons and Murray both have pretty low floors, but I would view Pop calling Simmons "solid" as a compliment and him calling Murray "solid" as damning with faint praise. Simmons doesn't have nearly as much room to grow as Murray.

[coachmac87]

To me, "solid" implies a high floor. It can be used as a compliment (for a player who has improved their floor) or in a backhanded way (insinuating that the player has a low ceiling).

Exactly...as a player you don't want this label on you.

[look_at_g_shred]

When pop uses solid to describe a player, it means he's done everything the coaching staff has asked him to do.

[coachmac87]

Why do most GM's IN ALL SPORTS take that risk on the "athlete" who's limited in skill or experience over the guys who's good across the board but doesn't do one thing great?

[Chinook]

Why do most GM's IN ALL SPORTS take that risk on the "athlete" who's limited in skill or experience over the guys who's good across the board but doesn't do one thing great?

Why do most coaches play the "solid" guys over those athletic prospects their GMs bring in?

[coachmac87]

Why do most coaches play the "solid" guys over those athletic prospects their GMs bring in?

Well that "solid" guy ain't playing here :lol

But seriously depends on the team and what you need...

[GSH]

Why do most coaches play the "solid" guys over those athletic prospects their GMs bring in?

First of all, because a lot (most?) of the "solid" guys you're talking about are still more athletic than KA. They boy really is slow, Chinook. Hell, Richard Jefferson is almost 37, and the Spurs ran him out of town, and he is more athletic than Kyle. That really limits the options for an NBA player.

And second, because a lot of those guys are at least really tough. Kyle, for the most part, still looks and plays like a kid. You said above that you think they should put him at the 4 and leave him there. You know that a 4 in the NBA needs to be physical, to be a success. ESPECIALLY if he's not athletic.

[Seventyniner]

Exactly...as a player you don't want this label on you.

I think it's fine for an 8th or 9th man. For those expecting Anderson to be a low-level starter or first non-guard off the bench it's not as good.

[coachmac87]

I think it's fine for an 8th or 9th man. For those expecting Anderson to be a low-level starter or first non-guard off the bench it's not as good.

I agree. I understand what the word "solid" means...but it in the coaching world it has somewhat of a different meaning..

It really just means you aren't good enough and like you said it's used to evaluate the lower end type of player..

[SAGirl]

"Solid" is not good enough tbh..
If only your boy Simmons was solid TBH. He's been the worst rotation player for a couple of months or more and frankly I don't wish him ill nor even getting benched, but the amount of shit that Kyle gets from the SIMM hype fan is ridiculous. Lol

[SAGirl]

I'd disagree. First, because told Simmons that he needed to work on being "solid" in the off-season. If it were his euphemism for trash, it wouldn't make any sense. Second, they say coaches value a lower but consistent average over a higher but more volatile average. So being solid rather than streaky would be virtuous.
I distinctly remember that interview. Pop said one of Simmons focus for the seasons was work in being solid: not making mistakes that don't need to be made, etc. It was so important that Simmons himself also mentioned it. I do think Pop values that highly.

[coachmac87]

If only your boy Simmons was solid TBH. He's been the worst rotation player for a couple of months or more and frankly I don't wish him ill nor even getting benched, but the amount of shit that Kyle gets from the SIMM hype fan is ridiculous. Lol

First of all this has nothing to do with Simmons..and he's not my boy. I don't pick specific players to root for and I only want what's best for the team. I've only defended Simmons because some were so adamant on saying he wasn't an NBA player..but as we can see they were wrong. Not sure if you were one of them tho..

Bottom line is there's a reason why Simmons jumped Kyle in the eyes of Pop...and that's even with the glaring hole for a back up forward. Simmons has his flaws in his game but he tends to make an impact on the game with his ELITE athleticism. I'm not trying talk shit about Anderson I'm just calling like I see it..he's good or "solid" across the board but isn't ELITE in any area of his game and obviously it isn't good enough for Pop. We're just seeing why he fell to the end of the draft..EVERYTHING on his weakness scouting report has come to fruition tbh

Don't take offense...

[Drom John]

I'm sure Bertans numbers point to that he's the best rookie since Leonard.

Rookies by WS since Leonard:
3.4 Boban Marjanovic
2.0 Jonathan Simmons
1.9 and counting Davis Bertans
1.3 Nando De Colo
0.3 Kyle Anderson
0.2 Nicolas Laprovittola
0.1 Aron Baynes
0.0 all others

[TheGreatYacht]

Rookies by WS since Leonard:
3.4 Boban Marjanovic
2.0 Jonathan Simmons
1.9 and counting Davis Bertans
1.3 Nando De Colo
0.3 Kyle Anderson
0.2 Nicolas Laprovittola
0.1 Aron Baynes
0.0 all others
I agree with this list tbh...

WS is a very good stat.

[SAGirl]

First of all this has nothing to do with Simmons..and he's not my boy. I don't pick specific players to root for and I only want what's best for the team. I've only defended Simmons because some were so adamant on saying he wasn't an NBA player..but as we can see they were wrong. Not sure if you were one of them tho..

Bottom line is there's a reason why Simmons jumped Kyle in the eyes of Pop...and that's even with the glaring hole for a back up forward. Simmons has his flaws in his game but he tends to make an impact on the game with his ELITE athleticism. I'm not trying talk shit about Anderson I'm just calling like I see it..he's good or "solid" across the board but isn't ELITE in any area of his game and obviously it isn't good enough for Pop. We're just seeing why he fell to the end of the draft..EVERYTHING on his weakness scouting report has come to fruition tbh

Don't take offense...
Ok fair enough... you immediately assumed solid had a negative connotation and considering that Pop had previously said that's something he looks for in his players... specially young players that still don't have a place in the league... I don't see it as a negative. Your other comments may have a point

[SAGirl]

Anderson in the month of March: 17 minutes, 6 PPG 55% FG, 40% from 3 on 1.3 att per game, 3.8 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 6.3 +/-
If you go back to February and add March: that's still 46% from the field and 40%from 3. He played less in February but that still supports my statement that he's been playing and shooting well for a while.

[Ice009]

From my understanding a media member asked Pop about Kyle and Pop response was he's been solid. Solid is just a vague description..

Tim Duncan used to use to word "solid" quite a bit throughout the years. After a lot of wins, he's say we played a solid game, or that he had a solid game, or that the defense was solid. To me, when Tim used to say the word, it meant when good/great games became routine or something good that is done consistently, it was a solid game/performance. I guess it depends on who's saying it and who/what they're referring to, but anytime Tim said it, to me, it meant when good/great games become routine, it was a solid performance.

[Chinook]

I really doubt Pop looked at Kyle's 13/8/6 and thought, "That's decent, but not good enough". To put it into perspective, Draymond averages 10/8/7. If Anderson did that every game, he'd be a top 5-7 guy on the team easily.

[cd021]

Why does Simmons matter? They don't play the same position...

Again if we're hoping Simmons exit helps Anderson...that's a problem. His problem is he can't play a role. He can only succeed with the ball in his hands (summer league). Again if he could only shoot there wouldn't be an issue

Simmons is blocking him from taking minutes at the backup 3, Anderson was the backup 3 the season before.

Anderson and Simmons sort of have the same issue, I view Anderson as more consistent, at least of late (he seems to have turned a corner since that @ Cleveland game).

Anderson's only real issue is his lack of shooting; a decent corner 3pt shooter is his only real barrier to being a good rotation player. He can defend, especially off ball, rebound, and his an above average passer he can do things off the dribble but that is more of a bonus so long as he can get that part of his game up to average.

If Simmons walks and Anderson becomes the backup 3, I don't think the Spurs are any worse for it. The bench may not have both Mills and Manu, but that almost guarantees a step back from the bench unit ,anyway.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's been quiet in here since that D-League showcase on Saturday tbh expected

Let me remove some spiderwebs

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[K...]

That's not him at the 4 though. With lma back he's back in the akward positionless position

[TheGreatYacht]

That's not him at the 4 though. With lma back he's back in the akward positionless position
He's been used as a PG, sucks
been used as a SG, sucks
been used as a SF, no one is worse in the league
been used as a PF, sucks

He's a deer in headlights on the big stage. Decent little summer league player though

[bklynspursfan]

That's not him at the 4 though. With lma back he's back in the akward positionless position

I mean if the only position he can play is the 4 where he does his best, it probably won't work out for him here. There were comparisons to Diaw when he first got here, but I'm not really seeing the comparisons. Bobo was very flexible and you could plug him anywhere and he'd do well. That's the type of player KA needs to be. If he was more assertive with his decision making, could shoot the ball, and was quicker on both ends of the floor, it would be much easier to play him more.

[Seventyniner]

I mean if the only position he can play is the 4 where he does his best, it probably won't work out for him here. There were comparisons to Diaw when he first got here, but I'm not really seeing the comparisons. Bobo was very flexible and you could plug him anywhere and he'd do well. That's the type of player KA needs to be. If he was more assertive with his decision making, could shoot the ball, and was quicker on both ends of the floor, it would be much easier to play him more.

Diaw was almost exclusively a 4. He fit well with Duncan, Splitter, and Aldridge but it was because those guys would play the 5. The Diaw and West pairing last year failed pretty hard in the playoffs.

Anderson is a bit more flexible; I'd trust him to defend some backup 3s more than I would trust Diaw to do so. Anderson would be playing a lot more backup 4 if Lee hadn't signed here or wasn't playing great like he is now.

[SpursforSix]

I mean if the only position he can play is the 4 where he does his best, it probably won't work out for him here. There were comparisons to Diaw when he first got here, but I'm not really seeing the comparisons. Bobo was very flexible and you could plug him anywhere and he'd do well. That's the type of player KA needs to be. If he was more assertive with his decision making, could shoot the ball, and was quicker on both ends of the floor, it would be much easier to play him more.

I always thought that was a forced comparison. Diaw and Anderson. Even though Diaw wasn't fast, he was quick on the blocks and seemed to be able to get to the rim. He was also much stronger than Anderson and could back people down. His 3 point shot was better and he was a better passer. Maybe Anderson hasn't peaked yet but I don't think he'll ever be to a level that's comparable to Diaw.

[skulls138]

I see KA as Diaw-lite right now. I think the biggest difference is size and shooting ability. Diaw is built like who he is, a PF. KA is built like a SF but with the talent of either a PG or PF so its harder to find where he belongs. Also youre comparing Diaws entire career to KAs first few years. Personally I find KA as good a passer as Diaw, and maybe a better rebounder.

[SpursforSix]

I see KA as Diaw-lite right now. I think the biggest difference is size and shooting ability. Diaw is built like who he is, a PF. KA is built like a SF but with the talent of either a PG or PF so its harder to find where he belongs. Also youre comparing Diaws entire career to KAs first few years. Personally I find KA as good a passer as Diaw, and maybe a better rebounder.

I agree. I am comparing an experienced Diaw to Anderson. But even in Diaw's early years, I think you could tell there was something there. Something more than what KA brings at this point in time. KA is a good passer. But Diaw was so good at passing in the paint and getting the Spurs easy buckets. Like you said, Anderson doesn't have the same body type so he's rarely in the same position that Diaw was.

Anyway, my main point was that they really aren't similar players. Maybe Anderson finds his way but after this many years, I just don't think he's going to become near the impact player than Diaw was.

[bklynspursfan]

Diaw was almost exclusively a 4. He fit well with Duncan, Splitter, and Aldridge but it was because those guys would play the 5. The Diaw and West pairing last year failed pretty hard in the playoffs.

Anderson is a bit more flexible; I'd trust him to defend some backup 3s more than I would trust Diaw to do so. Anderson would be playing a lot more backup 4 if Lee hadn't signed here or wasn't playing great like he is now.

I mean Diaw defended a guy like LeBron, so there was some flexibility there too. Even tho he was a "4" on the court, there was some flexibility in terms of who he defended. He didn't have the hands or length that KA does, but he had more foot speed (surprisingly) to cover guys on the perimeter.

I just don't know how KA does as a full time backup 4, especially with his frame. You're looking at maybe Pau/KA as a backup Frontline. It'd be pretty weak and slow footed honestly. He needs to bulk up a bit and work on his catch and shooting ability, and some how learn to be faster.. his recovery time when he's beat on the perimeter and thru screens is his biggest weakness defensively. At least imho

[bklynspursfan]

I always thought that was a forced comparison. Diaw and Anderson. Even though Diaw wasn't fast, he was quick on the blocks and seemed to be able to get to the rim. He was also much stronger than Anderson and could back people down. His 3 point shot was better and he was a better passer. Maybe Anderson hasn't peaked yet but I don't think he'll ever be to a level that's comparable to Diaw.

Maybe a forced comparison. Diaw wasn't fast, but he moved quicker than KA does with the ball and his decision making. (Alludes to what you said about quick getting to the block and to the rim)

It's definitely not a good comparison anymore, but I still hear it now at times from some commentators. Probably reading older articles... There are things he should take from Bobo's game if he wants to get playing time here tho. He'll have another opportunity for PT next season, but he has to improve in several areas

[Chinook]

Anderson is a face-up player, not a back-to-the-basket player. So he's nothing like Diaw. He's much closer to Randle or Okafor in terms of how he'd score one-on-one. Anderson shouldn't get much bigger. The priority will be being able to defend fours, not being able to defend post-up fives who are playing the four for some reason.

Diaw guarded Lebron like a big would, not like a wing. Boris has been a PF or center since before he became a Spur; he was never really a combo-forward with the team.

We've talked about what Kyle needs to improve upon ad naseum already. He simply needs to be more consistent looking for and making shots. He can already play the four against pretty much any team in the league physically. But unless he's scoring at a high rate, it won't matter. Simply put, teams don't really care about having a scoring PF off the bench for the most part, so Kyle being a very strong defender is wasted most of the time. He needs to score enough to be a threat to where his D is a bonus, not his calling card.

[TheGreatYacht]

Best game of his career tonight

[Spur|n|Austin]

gif please - that was pretty nice.

[TampaDude]

Best game of his career tonight

Yeah...Slo Mo looked great...

[Chinook]

Best game of his career tonight

Not even close. Probably not even a top-five game of this season.

[dabom]

It was garbage. 1 good dunk though.

[Mr. Body]

Dude's not nearly as slow as he used to be, I gotta say. Whatever they did worked. Used to be he'd get down the court by the time everyone was coming back. It's not like he's fast, but he's now about average.

[callo1]

KA looked very solid tonight.

[playbonner15]

Kid really excels in defense. Disrupting the passing lanes, getting a couple of steals

[SAGirl]

Pop praised the guy: he said he really enjoyed watching him play, was solid on both ends of the court.
846573451087433728

[dabom]

"solid" :lol

[jermaine]

I can honestly say I think he sparked the team anbopened the flood gates! Right after Simmons fucked up.... Pop was going to take KA back out, but he started showing his naked! He was definitely a "Solid" role player tonight.

[SAGirl]

I had to revive the Church of Anderson.
:flag:

Kyle at Dyckman 2017:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTXXHsOxnxQ&feature=youtu.be

[ElNono]

Is that Junior High, tbh? He looks like he could play at that level... :stirpot:

[spurraider21]

summer league team needs him

[SAGirl]

Is that Junior High, tbh? He looks like he could play at that level... :stirpot:

pick up basketball.
think you are in that league? :lol

[SAGirl]

summer league team needs him

nah let's wait to see what MVPBertans and MVPMurray have cooking. :tu
but I miss watching him in summer league I can't deny it. :lol

[Down Under]

Now or never for him. D is great at PF, but with his shot improving each year, he can't afford to be gunshy.

[jermaine]

Id love to see the Spurs let him play make more. It's his best ability.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Id love to see the Spurs let him play make more. It's his best ability.

:pop: "No. I like to fit square pegs into round holes."

[tbdog]

[QUOTE=SAGirl;9076423]I had to revive the Church of Anderson.
:flag:

Kyle at Dyckman 2017:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTXXHsOxnxQ&feature=youtu.be[/QUOTE


It looks he has filled out bit.

[Chinook]

Kyle is to summer as Tony is to fall

[ElNono]

pick up basketball.
think you are in that league? :lol

I'm just messin withcha... :lol

[SAGirl]

I'm just messin withcha... :lol

nice to see ya Nono. Nice to see you at least lurking since no news on Manu yet. :toast

[steeledl]

Id love to see the Spurs let him play make more. It's his best ability.

This false narrative is always repeated because it was true of him in college.... not the NBA.

[SAGirl]

This false narrative is always repeated because it was true of him in college.... not the NBA.

He's a nice passer. He cannot be an NBA PG, but he can make plays from other spots... and has done so in games.
It doesn't matter though if he's going to be out of the rotation.

[SAGirl]

This false narrative is always repeated because it was true of him in college.... not the NBA.

He's a nice passer. He cannot be an NBA PG, but he can make plays from other spots... and has done so in games.
It doesn't matter though if he's going to be out of the rotation and there is no way to know that right now.

[Mnky]

He looked like he toned up during the playoffs. I feel like his upper body has always been heavier than his lower body, and that attributes to his horrendous agility. He's still young, and he gets more opportunity than any other spurs project. He just needs to put a consistent showing together. There is plenty of D-league players who can show up for a game or two here and there. Consistency is what makes you an NBA player. He needs to show it this year. He might get more opportunity with Parker out, and no experienced play makers in the system.

[Mr. Body]

KA has overcome his biggest obstacles. In return somehow some of his strengths have disappeared. He's managed to cover space efficiently and his speed isn't a major detriment in the half court and he's actually an effective defender. His length even gives teams trouble as a help defender. On the other side of the ball he's almost a zero threat to score.

So... I'm impressed by his development. He's a good plug-in player. I'd like to see him become an offensive threat, but for now I see him as a neutral player -- he can eat up minutes and doesn't really hurt you. That's better than a lot of players, plus he can still improve.

[ElNono]

nice to see ya Nono. Nice to see you at least lurking since no news on Manu yet. :toast

working on the new contract, IMO, TBH, FWIW

[spurraider21]

He's not the hero our summer league squad deserves, but he's the one it needs.

[TheGreatYacht]

Unimpressive against New York construction workers and looks out of shape. Sweating like 90's Patrick Ewing yet he's moving at 1MPH.


Id love to see the Spurs let him play make more. It's his best ability.
Play make? More?! Slomo crossovers that lead us nowhere but to wasted shot clocks and forced pass outs to contested shooters is not winning basketball. There's a reason he averages 1.3 assists in 14 minutes for his career.

[dabom]

Unimpressive against New York construction workers and looks out of shape. Sweating like 90's Patrick Ewing yet he's moving at 1MPH.


Play make? More?! Slomo crossovers that lead us nowhere but to wasted shot clocks and forced pass outs to contested shooters is not winning basketball. There's a reason he averages 1.3 assists in 14 minutes for his career.

Can I get his per36 numbers again? :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Can I get his per36 numbers again? :lol
2016-2017 Per36:
8.7pts, 7.3reb, 3.2ast, 1.4TO, 0.5 3PM

Those numbers :wow

[dabom]

2016-2017 Per36:
8.7pts, 7.3reb, 3.2ast, 1.4TO, 0.5 3PM

Those numbers :wow

:lmao :lmao

[buujness]

Kyle was much better in the playoffs than he was during the regular season, tbh. Either tied for second highest or is second highest outright on the team in terms of VORP, BPM, WS and WS per 48.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2017.html

He did seem to be a bit more demonstrative during the playoffs than he was during the season as well (along with Simmons). Hopefully, it's a sign of things to come; if his relatively increased aggression holds over, he can be a solid contributor.

[SAGirl]

Kyle was much better in the playoffs than he was during the regular season, tbh. Either tied for second highest or is second highest outright on the team in terms of VORP, BPM, WS and WS per 48.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2017.html

He did seem to be a bit more demonstrative during the playoffs than he was during the season as well (along with Simmons). Hopefully, it's a sign of things to come; if his relatively increased aggression holds over, he can be a solid contributor.

yup.
IMO both were told to focus on the defensive end and moving the ball, and staying within a system, no plays called for them or anything and Jsimms played off the ball most of the season which apparently isn't great for his rhythm... but when they were asked to score the basketball bc there was a need due to injuries they responded. To me that means they can do more if asked.... anyways, thanks for sharing.

[ernest787]

2016-2017 Per36:
8.7pts, 7.3reb, 3.2ast, 1.4TO, 0.5 3PM

Those numbers :wow


SAgirl was right. LMA was just keeping that PF spot warm for the mighty FATHEAD

[Baam]

I actually believe in my heart that they would have won game 1 vs GS if Pop trusted him more.

Got taken out after getting burned once by Durant, guess what that can happen to everyone but at least the ball was moving and they were scoring when he was out there.

[SAGirl]

Kyle putting work in the summer:
890256700061741056


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPIfBwZNnCk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFkZYfA94wA&list=PLGCM_dm2Wql0f-S-4xYTxdI9k0rNMbeXR&index=159

[Rocalcio]

Can't deny he can shoot the ball now. :ihit

[TheDoctor]

Kyle putting work in the summer:
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"go at it" :lmao

[SAGirl]

:lol well to be fair Kelly (what a girl's name btw) plays the center spot... and Kyle was the forward obviously. They weren't matched up. Kyle was defended by a wing. But, they were on different teams on a 3 on 3n and apparently Kyle was killing his team.
They are Kylights, not Kelights so.. we don't know if Kelly was killing anybody.. :lol

[Blake]

Lol kylights

[TimDunkem]

Kylights...Slow jumpers he won't take in actual games.

So exciting...

[daledondale]

https://m.popkey.co/016c01/rODlM.gif

[SAGirl]

Kylights...Slow jumpers he won't take in actual games.

So exciting...
I do have something to look forward to this season aside from Kawhi...
I am sure there's other guys that look forward to see Manu again... maybe the odd Patty Cakes fan, chinook (Danny), perhaps a few fans still hope Dijon gets the keys. There are things to look forward to for everyone...

There could be some guys no one looks forward to watching though I can't imagine who... :lol Surely LMA still has fans right?

[LittleCriminal]

Watch: Spurs' Kyle Anderson & Heat's Kelly Olynyk go at it on the [email protected]

[LittleCriminal]

Am I the only one who believes SAGirl is actually Kyle Anderson?

[RD2191]

Am I the only one who believes SAGirl is actually Kyle Anderson?

SAgirl is actually chumpdumper TBH fwiw imo

[TimDunkem]

I do have something to look forward to this season aside from Kawhi...
I am sure there's other guys that look forward to see Manu again... maybe the odd Patty Cakes fan, chinook (Danny), perhaps a few fans still hope Dijon gets the keys. There are things to look forward to for everyone...

There could be some guys no one looks forward to watching though I can't imagine who... :lol Surely LMA still has fans right?
I'm not confident he'll start shooting the ball without thinking about it. The guy looks frightened when he gets the ball and, on the off-chance he hits the shot, he almost ALWAYS claps his hands in relief. I'm just waiting for him to wipe the sweat off his giant forehead every time he shoots. You can tell he's terrified every time he puts the ball up.

[skulls138]

How can he not take those open shots? Its like, "Im talented but Im going to throw it all away (as well as millions of $) because I wont throw this orange ball at that orange hoop.

I like how he claps his hands in relief, shows hes staying loose.