So where are the militias/anti-government/open carry gun advocates in Missouri?

[vy65]

good for you, JS is winning, good stuff

your right wing shit is losing garbage. All right wing shit is pure garbage, lies, coporate/VRWC/1% propaganda, blind ideological shit totally destroyed by all contrary evidence.

Delicious, delicious irony

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why do Trill and boutons refuse to watch the video? Or have they watched it and refuse to comment because of the truth it sheds on black on white/white on black violence?

[Trill Clinton]

not watching the vid cuz i'm 100% sure it has nothing to do with the death of mike brown. 6 minutes of divisive hate speech and deflection??? i'll pass. i'll take the cliffnotes, though.

[Trill Clinton]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...cnn-corrals-unconfirmed-ferguson-audio-scoop/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/26/cnn-corrals-unconfirmed-ferguson-audio-scoop/)

Lopa Blumenthal sort of meandered into the middle of a CNN scoop on the Aug. 9 police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown. She’s an attorney in the St. Louis area and a “prior client” of hers stopped by for a visit at her office in Hazelwood, Mo. Knowing that this man lived in Ferguson, she expressed concern for his well-being, at which point the man shared with her a video recording allegedly taken by the man’s roommate in Ferguson at the time of Brown’s killing. Apparent bursts of gunfire were audible.

Neither her “prior client” nor his roommate, says Blumenthal, had realized that the recording would be valuable to those investigating the Brown shooting. Yet they did think it might be useful to CNN, and so about a week ago, they sent the recording to the network “as an eyewitness video,” she says. For days, says Blumenthal, they didn’t hear back from the network.

That all changed last night. At the moment that Blumenthal and the man who made the recording were meeting with the FBI, CNN’s Don Lemon called them in search of an interview. “He was not contacted by CNN until I was contacted last night,” says Blumenthal. “He” is the fellow whose voice is now somewhat famous: The audiotape that CNN debuted last night showcases the man saying sweet things to a “girl,” as Blumenthal describes the recipient of the communication.

“He was very embarrassed by it,” says Blumenthal of the person behind the recording.

Working on a pro bono basis for this person, Blumenthal requested that CNN not run the video in the recording, but merely use the audio, the better to ensure the privacy of the person. CNN agreed to do so without objection, reports Blumenthal. The pro bono client also wanted his voice removed from the recording, but that wasn’t possible, says the attorney. Though Lemon offered to interview the man in silhouette, he refused to do so.

[CosmicCowboy]

you do know fbi spoke with the owner of the video and his attorney, right? its official


broken orbital bone:lol

FBI spoke with Timothy McVeigh and his attorney too. His story must have been true.

[TheSanityAnnex]

not watching the vid cuz i'm 100% sure it has nothing to do with the death of mike brown. 6 minutes of divisive hate speech and deflection??? i'll pass. i'll take the cliffnotes, though.

It actually does have a lot to do with the death of Mike Brown. If you want to be ignorant and refuse to watch it that is on you.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...cnn-corrals-unconfirmed-ferguson-audio-scoop/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/26/cnn-corrals-unconfirmed-ferguson-audio-scoop/)

Lopa Blumenthal sort of meandered into the middle of a CNN scoop on the Aug. 9 police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown. She’s an attorney in the St. Louis area and a “prior client” of hers stopped by for a visit at her office in Hazelwood, Mo. Knowing that this man lived in Ferguson, she expressed concern for his well-being, at which point the man shared with her a video recording allegedly taken by the man’s roommate in Ferguson at the time of Brown’s killing. Apparent bursts of gunfire were audible.

Neither her “prior client” nor his roommate, says Blumenthal, had realized that the recording would be valuable to those investigating the Brown shooting. Yet they did think it might be useful to CNN, and so about a week ago, they sent the recording to the network “as an eyewitness video,” she says. For days, says Blumenthal, they didn’t hear back from the network.

That all changed last night. At the moment that Blumenthal and the man who made the recording were meeting with the FBI, CNN’s Don Lemon called them in search of an interview. “He was not contacted by CNN until I was contacted last night,” says Blumenthal. “He” is the fellow whose voice is now somewhat famous: The audiotape that CNN debuted last night showcases the man saying sweet things to a “girl,” as Blumenthal describes the recipient of the communication.

“He was very embarrassed by it,” says Blumenthal of the person behind the recording.

Working on a pro bono basis for this person, Blumenthal requested that CNN not run the video in the recording, but merely use the audio, the better to ensure the privacy of the person. CNN agreed to do so without objection, reports Blumenthal. The pro bono client also wanted his voice removed from the recording, but that wasn’t possible, says the attorney. Though Lemon offered to interview the man in silhouette, he refused to do so.

What in the fuck? So they didn't think it would be useful for the actual investigation but thought a shitty news network could use it? :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

I've never seen a video scare off so many posters.

[Trill Clinton]

FBI spoke with Timothy McVeigh and his attorney too. His story must have been true.

you're comparing a mass murderer to a witness

[Trill Clinton]

I've never seen a video scare off so many posters.

http://i61.tinypic.com/ru1nbt.png

[CosmicCowboy]

you're comparing a mass murderer to a witness

So? FBI talked to McVeigh and his lawyer. Under your criteria that made him credible.

Same with your witness. It could just as easily turn out the girl he was videoing was 12 and he is a porno predator.

If you can produce a statement from the FBI saying they find the audio credible and consistent with the forensic evidence then we can admit it into Spurstalk Evidence.

Until then it's just jackoff material for you. The audio actually sounded a lot like you trying to get into CuckingFunts pants...:lmao

[Trill Clinton]

So? FBI talked to McVeigh and his lawyer.

stopped reading here. the oldest troll on the board comparing a demonic mass murderer who killed women and children to a eyewitness just so he can defend a killer cop. sickening.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Confused-Gary-Payton.gif

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i61.tinypic.com/ru1nbt.pngwhy not watch and give your opinion as an African American male?

[CosmicCowboy]

stopped reading here. the oldest troll on the board comparing a demonic mass murderer who killed women and children to a eyewitness just so he can defend a killer cop. sickening.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Confused-Gary-Payton.gif

SUUUUURE you quit reading there.

You just didn't want us to start discussing again what a pathetic whiney cuck you were with CF....:lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

Repugs, tea baggers, conservatives live in ideological bullshit, fact-free fantasyland.

lol thinkprogress.borg

[ElNono]

I watched the video. Waste of 6 mins... cliff notes: niglets are killing white folks more often, why does evil media focuses only on this case?

The impartiality pretense comes early and is "if the cop really shot him when he had his hands up, he should go to jail".

Well, duh. That's exactly what we don't know anything about yet: what really happened. Which is really all that matters in this particular case, and ultimately answers all the questions, whichever those might be.

Also interesting the paid bot had nothing to say about the militarization of the police, another very specific subject this case brought up front and center. Guess that would've made it a 12 min video, and the shitty background flame animation didn't last that long.

C'est la vie.

[Infinite_limit]

I watched the video. Waste of 6 mins... cliff notes: niglets are killing white folks more often, why does evil media focuses only on this case?

The impartiality pretense comes early and is "if the cop really shot him when he had his hands up, he should go to jail".

Well, duh. That's exactly what we don't know anything about yet: what really happened. Which is really all that matters in this particular case, and ultimately answers all the questions, whichever those might be.

Also interesting the paid bot had nothing to say about the militarization of the police, another very specific subject this case brought up front and center. Guess that would've made it a 12 min video, and the shitty background flame animation didn't last that long.

C'est la vie.
USA is by and large a violent ghetto dump. I'm wondering what took so long for the police to militarize.

[ElNono]

Depends on where you live... not much different than anywhere else in the world...

[Infinite_limit]

Depends on where you live... not much different than anywhere else in the world...
Most White nations on this globe have "bad cities". USA has bad neighborhoods. There are very few cities that are entirely safe

[ElNono]

Most nations, white or otherwise, don't have the money or the military industry to pass-on the kind of military gear these guys are getting.

Heck, 90% of countries would probably kill to have the drones police in Texas have.

[SnakeBoy]

CNN now shits backwards and questions reliability of it's own audio. Typical CNN being CNN.

But hey Trill...keep on believin...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/27/cnn-commentators-doubt-cnn-ferguson-audio-scoop/

Holy Shit! I finally went and listened the audio and that dude in your link is absolutely right...cnn got punked. "You are pretty" bang bang bang "You so fine" bang bang bang :lol.

Still not as good Peter Jennings getting punked...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cuf8YlL3H8

[CosmicCowboy]

Holy Shit! I finally went and listened the audio and that dude in your link is absolutely right...cnn got punked. "You are pretty" bang bang bang "You so fine" bang bang bang :lol.

Still not as good Peter Jennings getting punked...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cuf8YlL3H8

It reminded me of Trill making a fool of himself over cuckingfunt

[Th'Pusher]

It actually does have a lot to do with the death of Mike Brown. If you want to be ignorant and refuse to watch it that is on you.
No it doesn't. It's a simple analysis to prove black people are more violent than white people (both to other blacks as well as whites) with absolutely no interest in identifying, evaluating or otherwise addressing why this is. It's fodder to play on the emotions of and rouse rabble like you.

Btw- Yonni posted videos of this dude extensively...

[Th'Pusher]

I watched the video. Waste of 6 mins... cliff notes: niglets are killing white folks more often, why does evil media focuses only on this case?

The impartiality pretense comes early and is "if the cop really shot him when he had his hands up, he should go to jail".

Well, duh. That's exactly what we don't know anything about yet: what really happened. Which is really all that matters in this particular case, and ultimately answers all the questions, whichever those might be.

Also interesting the paid bot had nothing to say about the militarization of the police, another very specific subject this case brought up front and center. Guess that would've made it a 12 min video, and the shitty background flame animation didn't last that long.

C'est la vie.
:tu

[Th'Pusher]

Funny that TSA and Vy think the afterburner guy video is some sort of sophisticated intellectual response.

[vy65]

Funny that TSA and Vy think the afterburner guy video is some sort of sophisticated intellectual response.

Where'd I say it was a sophisticated intellectual response.

I have no opinion on the stats and am open to being persuaded. The lack of discussion of that point (the stats) is telling.

[pgardn]

Poor people are more likely to be involved in violent crimes...

I'm shocked.

Sean Hannity is a complete and utter idiot. When he gets pulled over he lets the officer know he has a gun...
So Brown is supposed to do what to show he is unarmed? WTF is the idiot known as Hannity trying to prove?
Seriously, i put my hands on the car, I show my gun in my waist belt... WTF? How many times has he been pulled over? What does Hannitys run ins with the law have anything to do with any of this... Dumbass.

Settle down and look at this specific case. Both sides are using this to discuss issues that are becoming much more difficult to tie in with this specific case.

[Th'Pusher]

Where'd I say it was a sophisticated intellectual response.

I have no opinion on the stats and am open to being persuaded. The lack of discussion of that point (the stats) is telling.
Well you called bd a fucking pussy because he wouldn't watch the video of the known right wing dbag as if the low brow analysis deserved a response. The afterburner dude's inability to address the stats at any more than a cursory level is what's telling.

[Th'Pusher]

The guy is a fucking hack as ElNono so aptly pointed out.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I watched the video. Waste of 6 mins... cliff notes: niglets are killing white folks more often, why does evil media focuses only on this case?

The impartiality pretense comes early and is "if the cop really shot him when he had his hands up, he should go to jail".

Well, duh. That's exactly what we don't know anything about yet: what really happened. Which is really all that matters in this particular case, and ultimately answers all the questions, whichever those might be.

Also interesting the paid bot had nothing to say about the militarization of the police, another very specific subject this case brought up front and center. Guess that would've made it a 12 min video, and the shitty background flame animation didn't last that long.

C'est la vie.

I was more interested in looking at the statistics he brought up concerning white on black violence vs black on white violence. Strange you mention nothing of it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No it doesn't. It's a simple analysis to prove black people are more violent than white people (both to other blacks as well as whites) with absolutely no interest in identifying, evaluating or otherwise addressing why this is. It's fodder to play on the emotions of and rouse rabble like you.

Btw- Yonni posted videos of this dude extensively...

Well no shit it doesn't. I just wanted Trill to watch it and give his take on the matter. Thank you though for agreeing with his premise.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The guy is a fucking hack as ElNono so aptly pointed out.
I'm waiting for you to prove this "fucking hack's" statistics wrong.

[vy65]

Well you called bd a fucking pussy because he wouldn't watch the video of the known right wing dbag as if the low brow analysis deserved a response. The afterburner dude's inability to address the stats at any more than a cursory level is what's telling.

I called him a coward for refusing to listen to contrary evidence and have a substantive conversation about the stats -- exactly what you're doing now. If the numbers are wrong, say so. Rehashing what's already been posted in this thread ain't cutting it.

[ElNono]

I was more interested in looking at the statistics he brought up concerning white on black violence vs black on white violence. Strange you mention nothing of it.


cliff notes: niglets are killing white folks more often, why does evil media focuses only on this case?

^^ I did bring it up. Not surprising at all that's what you're largely interested in though.

I have no problem at all with the stats. It adds absolutely nothing to this case, but, ok.

I mean, we can talk just about anything by starting with some vague reference to this case... "it was a sunny day in Ferguson when niglet was killed, but global warming is a much more serious issue" (flaming background).

[ElNono]

BTW, I'm not Trill, tbh...

[spurraider21]

That's exactly what we don't know anything about yet: what really happened. Which is really all that matters in this particular case, and ultimately answers all the questions, whichever those might be.
right, and you have people on both sides trying to crucify the other person. you have the boutons/trill group who want Wilson burned at the stake, and vice versa

[spurraider21]

It adds absolutely nothing to this case
it adds nothing to the case as far as the criminal/investigative standpoint but i think it bears relevance when it comes to media coverage of such stories

[ElNono]

right, and you have people on both sides trying to crucify the other person. you have the boutons/trill group who want Wilson burned at the stake, and vice versa

Of course. Controversy sells. For every boutons/trill there's a TSA/yoni. Those ends are unlikely ever to agree anyways, but the biggest contributor to the BS is the actual lack of legit info.


it adds nothing to the case as far as the criminal/investigative standpoint but i think it bears relevance when it comes to media coverage of such stories

It's relevant to a lot of topics: media milking this for $$$, well-connected/funded political 'think tanks' (red and blue here, both sides do it) using this to drive certain narrative, gullible audiences, the social media herd, etc.
The problem is that it's easy to get stuck looking at the numbers and the blame-game that follows, without actually having a serious discussion.
The topic of black crime would include, among other things, analysis of why that happens. Does socioeconomic factors impact those numbers? Is it a cultural issue? An education problem? Is it a justice/law enforcement problem?

It's just much easier to blame the bubbas and the niggas and move on to the next topic du jour.

[Th'Pusher]

I called him a coward for refusing to listen to contrary evidence and have a substantive conversation about the stats -- exactly what you're doing now. If the numbers are wrong, say so. Rehashing what's already been posted in this thread ain't cutting it.
The numbers aren't wrong, which is why he uses them whith out discussing the underlying causes. To race bait and rouse the right wing rabble.

And as EN points out, the stats are irrelevant to the case...

[Trill Clinton]

It reminded me of Trill making a fool of himself over cuckingfunt

what the hell is your old ass talking about? you must have a crush on her cuz you keep bringing her up for some reason.

[Trill Clinton]

right, and you have people on both sides trying to crucify the other person. you have the boutons/trill group who want Wilson burned at the stake, and vice versa

why did you mention me and boutons and not tsa/cc/vy and yourself?

[boutons_deux]

You Lie

I don't want Wilson burned, I want an outside special prosecutor, not the local compromised, pro-cop, pro-white asshole, to find out why a cop shot an unarmed man.

The cops, Fox, Repugs, spurstalkers sliming the unarmed man, (he's black of course he's slime) is totally irrelevant to the killing.

[Trill Clinton]

You Lie

I don't want Wilson burned, I want an outside special prosecutor, not the local compromised, pro-cop, pro-white asshole, to find out why a cop shot an unarmed man.

The cops, Fox, Repugs, spurstalkers sliming the unarmed man, (he's black of course he's slime) is totally irrelevant to the killing.

basically.

in ferguson, an american's constitutional right to due process died and drained out on the street. thats the bottom line. some don't care about that and some of us do.

[spurraider21]

why did you mention me and boutons and not tsa/cc/vy and yourself?
When I said vice versa I was referring to that group. I don't consider my self part of that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I have no problem at all with the stats.

Thank you for your honesty.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The numbers aren't wrong
Thank you for your honesty.

[ChumpDumper]

Wait. Are black cops killing white folk more than white cops are killing black folk?

What is tsa's point?

[spurraider21]

Wait. Are black cops killing white folk more than white cops are killing black folk?

What is tsa's point?
how many black cops are there in relation to white cops? is it proportional to the general population?

[vy65]

I don't think there are any "sides" regarding the Wilson-Brown altercation. Either the cop gunned down and murdered an innocent surrendering citizen or an idiot assaulted a cop and got what he deserved. As Nono pointed out, we don't have the facts to answer the question of which scenario actually happened. Once we do, I don't think any reasonable person would still cling to the disproven narrative.

As for the larger, racial issues, why does one have to be on a side? I don't think the way the police handled this is right, and I fear a militarized police force as much as anyone. However, that does not mean that I or anyone have to be on the pro-Brown side. Just because the police act disproportionately and brutally doesn't mean I support Brown, his ilk. Both sides are wrong and it's a false choice to put it in either/or terms.

[ElNono]

I don't think there are any "sides" regarding the Wilson-Brown altercation. Either the cop gunned down and murdered an innocent surrendering citizen or an idiot assaulted a cop and got what he deserved. As Nono pointed out, we don't have the facts to answer the question of which scenario actually happened. Once we do, I don't think any reasonable person would still cling to the disproven narrative.

As for the larger, racial issues, why does one have to be on a side? I don't think the way the police handled this is right, and I fear a militarized police force as much as anyone. However, that does not mean that I or anyone have to be on the pro-Brown side. Just because the police act disproportionately and brutally doesn't mean I support Brown, his ilk. Both sides are wrong and it's a false choice to put it in either/or terms.

Exactly. That said, some peeps are seemingly eager to buy into the ankle bite(s)... sad they can't think for themselves, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

how many black cops are there in relation to white cops? is it proportional to the general population?

Are you saying black cops proportionately kill more white folk than white cops kill black folk?

That might be be on topic if true. What tsa is on about appears to have nothing to do with it.

[Trill Clinton]

I don't think there are any "sides" regarding the Wilson-Brown altercation. Either the cop gunned down and murdered an innocent surrendering citizen or an idiot assaulted a cop and got what he deserved. As Nono pointed out, we don't have the facts to answer the question of which scenario actually happened. Once we do, I don't think any reasonable person would still cling to the disproven narrative.

As for the larger, racial issues, why does one have to be on a side? I don't think the way the police handled this is right, and I fear a militarized police force as much as anyone. However, that does not mean that I or anyone have to be on the pro-Brown side. Just because the police act disproportionately and brutally doesn't mean I support Brown, his ilk. Both sides are wrong and it's a false choice to put it in either/or terms.

statistics show there is a major problem with black men and women not being given their due process when it comes to law enforcement. eric garner in new york was murdered in broad daylight by an illegal chokehold for nothing. sean bell shot 50 times for nothing. oscar grant shot in the back while for nothing. john crawford shot in walmart while leaning on toy gun for nothing. all of the officers were acquitted or served no more than 1 year in jail.

you see, there is a systematic problem going on and folks are sick and tired. when people say shit like "but what about black on black crime" its a deflection tactic. black on black crime is no different than white on white crime, hispanic on hispanic, south vs south, etc.

when police officers are murdering unarmed americans without due process, we have a problem.

[RandomGuy]

Either the cop gunned down and murdered an innocent surrendering citizen or an idiot assaulted a cop and got what he deserved.

And those are the only two possible explanations. pfft.

One might be the guy did assault the officer, and tried to get away, and the officer's adrenaline caused him to pump far more rounds into an unarmed person that was necessary to render him incapacitated.

Either/or thinking is terribly short-sighted and ill-suited to actually evaluating reality, which often has many, many more shades of gray.

[spurraider21]

Are you saying black cops proportionately kill more white folk than white cops kill black folk?
what would lead you to that conclusion? where did i say anything remotely like that?

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think there are any "sides" regarding the Wilson-Brown altercation. Either the cop gunned down and murdered an innocent surrendering citizen or an idiot assaulted a cop and got what he deserved. As Nono pointed out, we don't have the facts to answer the question of which scenario actually happened. Once we do, I don't think any reasonable person would still cling to the disproven narrative.

As for the larger, racial issues, why does one have to be on a side? I don't think the way the police handled this is right, and I fear a militarized police force as much as anyone. However, that does not mean that I or anyone have to be on the pro-Brown side. Just because the police act disproportionately and brutally doesn't mean I support Brown, his ilk. Both sides are wrong and it's a false choice to put it in either/or terms.

Agree.

Although the image of SWAT teams serving warrants seems crazy, we just had an instance this week where the police chief of Elmendorf (a small town just south of SA) was serving a warrant for freaking graffiti and the guy shot the policeman multiple times and killed him. WTF?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Are you saying black cops proportionately kill more white folk than white cops kill black folk?

That might be be on topic if true. What tsa is on about appears to have nothing to do with it.
I'm back on topic now after the honest answers. I've got that link for you if you still want, still providing live coverage although not too exciting now.

[RandomGuy]

Not sure if anyone had brought this one relevant bit out:

Most of the Ferguson city budget comes from court fees and fines on its black population.


According to an analysis of municipal court records by Mother Jones, Ferguson police hand out three warrants per household every year. While the town (about 67% black) is relatively poor and with an about average crime rate, fines and fees associated with petty infractions is lucrative business in Ferguson.

A new report from Arch City Defenders, a non-profit legal defense organization, estimates that fines and court fees make up the second largest source of revenue for the city totaling $2,635,400. City officers issued 24,532 warrants and handled 12,018 cases according to the group.

The formula: “low level harassment involving traffic stops, court appearances, high fines, and the threat of jail for failure to pay.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-kinloch-police-war-community-over-50-years

Read the relevant whitepaper here:
http://www.archcitydefenders.org/whitepaper.pdf

[TheSanityAnnex]

black on black crime is no different than white on white crime, hispanic on hispanic, south vs south, etc.The rates they are committed at sure are different.


when police officers are murdering unarmed americans without due process, we have a problem. Yet not a single post from you in this thread.


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238678

[vy65]

And those are the only two possible explanations. pfft.

Those are the only two significant factors informing this situation. Of course there may be shades of grey, but these are the two points on the continuum, and we'll eventually find out where on the spectrum the truth lays.


One might be the guy did assault the officer, and tried to get away, and the officer's adrenaline caused him to pump far more rounds into an unarmed person that was necessary to render him incapacitated.

We'll see how close to the truth this scenario is, but I have a hard time mustering sympathy for someone who assaults a cop and then runs away.


Either/or thinking is terribly short-sighted and ill-suited to actually evaluating reality, which often has many, many more shades of gray.

Agreed

[vy65]

statistics show there is a major problem with black men and women not being given their due process when it comes to law enforcement. eric garner in new york was murdered in broad daylight by an illegal chokehold for nothing. sean bell shot 50 times for nothing. oscar grant shot in the back while for nothing. john crawford shot in walmart while leaning on toy gun for nothing. all of the officers were acquitted or served no more than 1 year in jail.

Sweet. I'd love to see the statistics. The plural of anecdote is not evidence.


you see, there is a systematic problem going on and folks are sick and tired. when people say shit like "but what about black on black crime" its a deflection tactic. black on black crime is no different than white on white crime, hispanic on hispanic, south vs south, etc.

when police officers are murdering unarmed americans without due process, we have a problem.

Again, I'd love to see the hard evidence backing this up.

[vy65]

Not sure if anyone had brought this one relevant bit out:

Most of the Ferguson city budget comes from court fees and fines on its black population.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-kinloch-police-war-community-over-50-years

Read the relevant whitepaper here:
http://www.archcitydefenders.org/whitepaper.pdf

That's not unique to Ferguson; there's a huge municourt racket in Texas because there's a constitutional right to a jury trial for traffic offenses.

Typically, minorities are disproportionately affected not because they commit more class c misdeameanors, but because they fail to show up for the court dates and so get arrest warrants issued.

[ElNono]

Not sure if anyone had brought this one relevant bit out:

Most of the Ferguson city budget comes from court fees and fines on its black population.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-kinloch-police-war-community-over-50-years

Read the relevant whitepaper here:
http://www.archcitydefenders.org/whitepaper.pdf

killing the hand that feeds you isn't a good way to keep doing business... just sayin'

[ChumpDumper]

what would lead you to that conclusion? where did i say anything remotely like that?

It's one of many conclusions you could be leading to.

Why not just cut to the chase?

[spurraider21]

It's one of many conclusions you could be leading to.

Why not just cut to the chase?
I would like to get facts straight before jumping to conclusions.

But that's just me.

[RandomGuy]

killing the hand that feeds you isn't a good way to keep doing business... just sayin'



MUNICIPAL COURT
The Municipal Court levies a variety of fines for violations of local traffic laws and other City Ordinances. All receipts are credited to the General Fund.
Municipal Court Fines are a product of the penal system. It is not the City's policy to maximize its government finances through the use of the judicial process. Therefore, Court Fines are not considered a targeted revenue source that the City strives to achieve.
In FY 2009-2010, retirements in the Police Department had the effect of increasing hiring and training time and reducing time available for traffic enforcement. This situation persisted into early FY 2010-2011, which resulted in decreased fines and revenues. Reversal of this trend began in December 2010. Since that time, the percent of departmental resources allocated to traffic enforcement has increased. As a result, traffic enforcement related collections increased about $338,000 and $188,000 respectively for the two years ended June 30, 2012. This rate of increase is expected to moderate in FY 2013-2014.
In the first fiscal quarter of FY 2011-2012, using stationary cameras, the City implemented a force multiplier enhancement whose dual objectives were to (1) increase traffic enforcement and (2) decrease traffic accidents at three separate locations. In addition, this action also resulted in net fine receipts of $368,000 and $600,000 in the two years ending June 30, 2012. The City expects receipts to plateau in FY 2013-2014.
Revenues for the three fiscal years ending June 30, 2013 are anticipated to be about $1,405,213, $2,111,683 and $2,531,600, respectively. Municipal Court revenue is credited to the General Fund.
POLICE TRAINING AND STAFFING
Police Training - A $2.00 fee per ticket is charged to those convicted of all City violations. This money is set-aside to help offset the cost of ongoing training for the Police Department. Police Training revenue is also a product of the penal system and it is not the City's policy to attempt to maximize its government finances through the use of the judicial process. Police Training revenues are credited to the General Fund.

http://www.fergusoncity.com/DocumentCenter/View/1609

Interesting to see them include very specific language saying they AREN'T trying to wring money out of their legal system.

"it is not the City's policy to attempt to maximize its government finances through the use of the judicial process"


If it really wasn't their policy, they might address the issue by attempting to find out why people don't show up, and remedying that.

Seems to me that if the city viewed it as a problem they might actually put some effort into reducing that.

As it is... all they need to do is put out that disclaimer, and look the other way.

The fines represent 10% of all the revenues.

The court "costs" them, per page 52, about $310,000, or about 15% of the revenues it brings in through fines.

$2,100,000 - 310,000 = $1,790,000

So the police benefit, per ticket and the city profits from the court in total.

[ElNono]

Unfortunately, and without looking up hard numbers, I don't think they're much of an outlier. Like vy said, the whole revenue generation through infractions is a pretty common, ongoing racket in a lot of places.

At least here in the NE, it's fairly common. I mean, there are towns here that will fight tooth and nail against red light cam challenges just for the revenue they generate.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Before all the whining about the source it is the only site I've seen attempting to piece together the physical evidence.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/28/mike-brown-shooting-part-1-what-the-physical-evidence-reveals-along-with-enhanced-audio-transcription-of-eye-witness/

[boutons_deux]

Unfortunately, and without looking up hard numbers, I don't think they're much of an outlier. Like vy said, the whole revenue generation through infractions is a pretty common, ongoing racket in a lot of places.

At least here in the NE, it's fairly common. I mean, there are towns here that will fight tooth and nail against red light cam challenges just for the revenue they generate.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/102020/large/Screen_Shot_2014-08-25_at_2.25.38_AM.jpg?1408950046

another scam is for municipal courts to outsource their collections, and probation mgmt, to their friends running for-profits, where the firms CHARGE the victim, who already got in trouble for not paying the original infraction, for managing their probation, add on exorbitant fees, and are usually totally without oversight by the local govt. America has really got scummy.

[vy65]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/102020/large/Screen_Shot_2014-08-25_at_2.25.38_AM.jpg?1408950046

another scam is for municipal courts to outsource their collections, and probation mgmt, to their friends running for-profits, where the firms CHARGE the victim, who already got in trouble for not paying the original infraction, for managing their probation, add on exorbitant fees, and are usually totally without oversight by the local govt. America has really got scummy.

Haven't heard of outsourced probation management, but what's wrong with outsourcing to collections firms who have to obey state and federal fair debt collection practices statutes?

[pgardn]

Poor people are more likely to be involved in violent crimes...

I'm shocked.

.

^ what I got from the BBQ video.
Repeat.

[TheSanityAnnex]

About half way down regarding number of shots to take someone down. Decent article as well from a cop.



And those are the only two possible explanations. pfft.

One might be the guy did assault the officer, and tried to get away, and the officer's adrenaline caused him to pump far more rounds into an unarmed person that was necessary to render him incapacitated.

Either/or thinking is terribly short-sighted and ill-suited to actually evaluating reality, which often has many, many more shades of gray.



http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/08/24/a-dose-of-reality-for-ferguson-missouri/

A Dose of Reality for Ferguson, Missouri

Unlike much of America, I’ve stayed quiet about the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. As a cop, I know initial media reports about any incident are usually wrong. I also know that many media outlets and internet commentators deliberately twist facts to inflame emotion. They’ll throw out empty, meaningless phrases like “he was shot in broad daylight, in his own hometown” even though that has literally nothing to do with the legality or illegality of the shooting.
And it goes without saying that in any incident involving a police officer, many people with absolutely no understanding of police work or lethal violence suddenly think they’re experts. After Brown’s death I expected a loud chorus of hysterical cries from people who had no idea what the hell they were talking about. I haven’t been disappointed.
“But he was unarmed!”
I’ve lost count of the times I’ve heard the term “unarmed teenager”. Yes, Brown was an unarmed 18 year old. He was also 6’4″ and 292 pounds. Anyone who thinks an unarmed, 6’4″, 292 pound man can’t be a threat has never been punched in the face. Unarmed people can be extremely dangerous.
In 2012 an unarmed 17 year old beat an El Paso police officer to death. The officer was 29 years old, a former Marine and veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21708260/el-paso-police-officer-dies-from-sept-25
An off-duty police officer in New York City was beaten almost to death by an unarmed man last November.


In July, an unarmed 21 year old “felt like killing someone” and beat a 56 year old random victim to death at a train station in San Antonio.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/suspect-in-san-antonio-beating-death-i-feel-like-killing-someone/
In 2012, an unarmed 24 year old man beat a man to death for raping his daughter.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-texas-father-beat-death-daughters-molester/story?id=16612071
Those chanting “but he was unarmed” are pathetically ignorant of the reality of violence. Unarmed people hurt or kill others on a regular basis. No, that doesn’t mean every unarmed person needs to be shot; it does, however, mean an aggressive, unarmed person can be a threat to your life. The bigger and stronger that person is, the bigger the threat.
“All Michael Brown did was shoplift cigars.”
No, he didn’t “shoplift” anything. He committed a robbery. Shoplifting is a nonviolent crime, usually committed by people desperate to avoid confrontation. Robbery is violent. When someone uses or threatens force to take anything, no matter how unimportant or inexpensive, that’s robbery. If someone grabs you by the collar, reaches into your pocket and takes a single piece of chewing gum, the problem isn’t the lost gum. The problem is that someone used force to take your property.
Many media outlets refer to Brown’s crime as theft or shoplifting. That’s probably a deliberate lie, chosen specifically to downplay the crime Brown committed. The Daily Kos, which can always be trusted to produce inflammatory stupidity, said “Brown shoplifted some cigars on the day he was killed”, which does not in any way describe what happened (the same article also claimed “Michael Brown was gunned down by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, apparently for the crime of jaywalking”).
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/22/1323751/-Ferguson-Missouri-The-case-of-the-vanishing-fractured-orbital-bone-and-journalistic-integrity
Cracked magazine, which usually does a good job of cutting through nonsense, mentioned “robbery” but then decided to go full propaganda: “…the officer (who was aware of the previous robbery) saw Brown walking with the same cigars that had been stolen and suspected that he was the shoplifter.”
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-facts-about-ferguson-media-keeps-screwing-up/#ixzz3BEelkF41
No, Cracked. He wasn’t a “shoplifter”. He was a robber. There’s a huge difference between someone who sticks cigars in his pocket and walks out of a store, versus a guy who grabs cigars, pushes a store owner around and threatens him, and then walks out. The first act is simple nonviolent theft, the second is a violent robbery.
Both Kos and Cracked assert the robbery didn’t matter, either because the officer didn’t know about it or because stealing $50 worth of cigars doesn’t justify a shooting. I offer a counterpoint: yes, the robbery is hugely important. We’ve heard conflicting reports about whether or not the officer was aware of the robbery, and I can’t say for certain he knew Brown was a robbery suspect. But Michael Brown sure as hell knew he had committed a robbery. He knew he was about to be arrested for something more serious than shoplifting. Does that mean Brown would likely react more aggressively toward the officer than someone who had committed simple theft? Based on my experiences dealing with suspects who just committed felonies, I’d say yes.
“The officer shot him six times!”

Yes, the officer shot Brown six times. That sounds excessive. It’s not. On TV and in movies, people get shot one time, fly through the air in a spray of blood and immediately die. In real life they don’t.

A police officer got into a gunfight with a robbery suspect in 2009. The officer shot the suspect 14 times with a .45 pistol, and 6 of the bullet wounds were nonsurvivable. The suspect still didn’t go down. The officer finally shot the suspect three more times, in the face and top of the head. The head shot finally stopped him, but didn’t kill him; he died later, at the hospital. An autopsy determined he hadn’t been under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/
Last year I wrote an essay about what bullets really do (and don’t do). I described incidents I worked where people were shot but didn’t react the way most people think they should. These incidents include a robbery victim who was shot three times including once in the forehead and still ran 500 yards to find help, a young female shot through the thigh who showed no reaction at all, and a man with part of his head blown off who was still conscious and alert.
http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2013/01/28/seven-rounds/
Police officers are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralized. Under stress we’re not counting bullets, we’re shooting until we’ve eliminated the threat. It is not at all uncommon for a person to take multiple bullets before they stop being a threat.
“The officer should have used his baton, Taser or pepper spray instead of his gun.”
Here’s a little-known reality about intermediate weapons: they don’t always work. In 20 years as a cop I’ve used my baton twice. Both suspects wound up in the hospital… eventually. At the time I was hitting them, they weren’t impressed. I’ve also pepper sprayed around 30 suspects. Pepper spray works on everyone… eventually. Some people don’t react to it right away. And even if you get a hit, that hit might not be enough to stop the suspect.
In 1992 a police officer responded to a domestic disturbance and confronted a violent wife abuser. The officer sprayed the suspect. The unarmed suspect beat and disabled the officer, then fractured the officer’s skull with a stick of firewood. The officer died shortly afterward.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/05/grant_county_cop_killer_to_be.html
Here’s a video of a March 2014 encounter between a police officer and suspect in a Philadelphia train station. The officer pepper sprays the suspect and hits him with a baton, to no effect. During the fight the suspect tries to disarm the officer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-captures-intense-fight-between-suspect-philadelphia-officer/
Here’s one of an officer who pepper sprayed a combative suspect. It didn’t work. He then shot the suspect. The suspect disarmed the officer and tried to shoot him, then almost beat him unconscious.


But what about Tasers? Tasers work great, except when they don’t. If there’s not enough spread between the darts, the shock won’t disable the suspect. If one dart misses, no shock. If one dart gets hung up in clothing, no shock. If the Taser itself malfunctions, no shock.
And any intermediate weapon takes time to deploy and properly use. If a large, aggressive suspect charges me, I know I have mere seconds to choose a force option and hope it works. Whatever I choose, I know it’ll likely be the only weapon I can employ before the suspect is on me. Batons, pepper spray and Tasers all have significant failure rates. In some cases, the best option is to go straight for the pistol.
“Witnesses said Brown was giving up when he was shot.”
Witnesses have said a lot of things. Shockingly, Brown’s friend insists he and Brown were innocently minding their own business until an evil racist police officer cursed at them, ordered them out of the street, grabbed 6’4″ Brown around the neck (without even getting out of his patrol vehicle!), shot Brown as he was running away, then shot him again after Brown put his hands up in surrender.
There is no reason to disbelieve this version of events. Except for the fact that Brown’s friend was with him during the robbery, has a warrant for theft and giving a fake name to police, and, being Brown’s friend, is biased in his favor. Oh, and the multiple autopsies that show Brown wasn’t shot in the back.
This might be a shock to some, but sometimes people lie to protect their friends. Every time we cops show up to a bar fight, it’s practically a comedy routine from each “victim” and their friends. “Officer, I was walking by the pool table and that guy bumped into me. I said ‘Excuse me sir, I didn’t mean to bump you and I profusely apologize’, but the guy punched me! For no reason!” I’ve lost count of the hours I’ve wasted taking statements from bar fighters and their friends who insist they’re all sweet innocent angels who were viciously attacked for no reason.
I worked one shooting where the victim’s girlfriend swore – SWORE – that her boyfriend’s ex-wife had driven by and shot him as he and the girlfriend were leaving a restaurant. No other witnesses said anything even remotely like that. No physical evidence corroborated the girlfriend’s story. Eventually investigators figured out the boyfriend was shot by an unrelated woman during a fight between eight drunks in the parking lot. The woman even confessed. But the girlfriend still swore – SWORE – it was the ex-wife. Amazingly enough, witnesses with an axe to grind sometimes lie.
There are witnesses who insist Brown was attacked for no reason whatsoever. But at least two of those “witness” statements don’t match up to the physical evidence.
“Johnson said the officer hit Brown with another round as he was running away and fatally gunned him down after he stopped and raised his hands in surrender.”
“Brady [another alleged witness] said Brown and Johnson then ran away, while Wilson got out of his car and began shooting.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/21/here-is-everything-police-and-witnesses-said-happened-when-michael-brown-was-killed/
No, the officer didn’t shoot Brown in the back as he was running away, unless all three forensic pathologists managed to miss the gunshot wound in his back during their autopsies. Call me crazy, but I’m not going to take their “That cop shot Brown for no reason as he was running away” statements as gospel. Another as-yet-unidentified witness made a statement in the background of a video taken right after the shooting. He said a shot was fired in the police car during a struggle, then Brown ran away, then was shot repeatedly after he turned and charged the officer. The witness statement begins around 6:30.


We will likely never know the identity of that witness and I’m sure that statement will never reach any court. But I think it was from an actual unbiased witness, and is probably closer to the truth than any other “witness” statement we’ve heard.
[B]Bottom line
You’ll notice I said “I think” the videotaped witness statement is true, instead of saying “I know”. I’ve formed a opinion but can’t claim I know what actually happened. Officer Darren Wilson may have stopped Brown for walking in the street, then shot him repeatedly for absolutely no reason. Crazier things have happened.
But you know what’s more likely? Wilson simply ordered Brown and his friend to get out of the street, then realized they were robbery suspects and tried to stop them. Instead of complying, Brown shoved Wilson back into his vehicle, punched him (and maybe broke his eye socket), then ran away after Wilson fired a shot. Wilson jumped out and ordered Brown to stop. Brown chose to charge Wilson, who fired until Brown fell dead.
That’s what I think happened. But I don’t know for certain.
Since I don’t know the actual truth I’ll keep this opinion in the land of conjecture, where it belongs. I won’t scream about racism. I won’t demand prosecution as a way to curry favor with a particular demographic. I won’t excuse the thieving, brutal punks who use this alleged injustice as an excuse to be the murderers and looters they already were. I won’t let dumbass fantasies like “unarmed people can’t be a threat”, “he could have just used pepper spray” or “there’s never a reason to shoot someone more than once” influence my opinion. Instead, I’ll stand by and wait for actual evidence.
If that evidence shows Officer Wilson murdered Brown, I’ll fully support his prosecution. But if the evidence shows Wilson acted both legally and morally, I’m 100% on his side. Either way, I won’t let emotions drive my decision. Maybe a few others on TV and online, and a whole bunch of people in Ferguson, should try to keep their emotions in check as well.
http://chrishernandezauthor.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/4452_1084593231917_5914735_n-2.jpg?w=272&h=300 (http://chrishernandezauthor.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/4452_1084593231917_5914735_n-2.jpg)
Chris Hernandez is a 20 year police officer, former Marine and currently serving National Guard soldier with over 25 years of military service. He is a combat veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan and also served 18 months as a United Nations police officer in Kosovo. He writes for BreachBangClear.com, Iron Mike magazine and has published two military fiction novels, Proof of Our Resolve and Line in the Valley, through Tactical16 Publishing. He can be reached at [email protected].

[RandomGuy]

About half way down regarding number of shots to take someone down. Decent article as well from a cop.


It is a very valid point. Brown outweighs me by more than 50% and is about a foot taller. Any physical struggle I might have with a guy that big would be very one-sided, and you don't have a lot of time to think about it if the guy rushes you.

Brown's shoving the store owner during the robbery then becomes relevant. It is an order of magnitude more serious, if you are willing to swat someone aside to get away.

[ElNono]

Before all the whining about the source it is the only site I've seen attempting to piece together the physical evidence.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/28/mike-brown-shooting-part-1-what-the-physical-evidence-reveals-along-with-enhanced-audio-transcription-of-eye-witness/

You're on redstate.com mailing list too?

:lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

You're on redstate.com mailing list too?

:lol
I simply googled Michael Brown physical evidence. I'm not on any mailing lists.

[ElNono]

Yah, I was expecting internet detectives to get the scoop...

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yah, I was expecting internet detectives to get the scoop...

They do a better job than mainstream media.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It is a very valid point. Brown outweighs me by more than 50% and is about a foot taller. Any physical struggle I might have with a guy that big would be very one-sided, and you don't have a lot of time to think about it if the guy rushes you.

Brown's shoving the store owner during the robbery then becomes relevant. It is an order of magnitude more serious, if you are willing to swat someone aside to get away.
The video in that link of the ex-boxer vs the cop is crazy. That guy is extremely lucky his backup showed up. Bullets didn't do shit to stop him.

[ElNono]

They do a better job than mainstream media.

:lol no doubt you're buying what they're selling...

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol no doubt you're buying what they're selling...
One doesn't have to be sold anything to believe Officer Wilson's story. I'll say it again here wait until it comes out publicly that Brown's DNA was found on Wilson's handgun. You won't find my sources laughable then.

[ElNono]

:lol you and that website know as much as anybody else right now... very little, and not enough to conclude absolutely anything.

But if a random website makes you feel better, then hey, that's your thing.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol you and that website know as much as anybody else right now... very little, and not enough to conclude absolutely anything.

But if a random website makes you feel better, then hey, that's your thing.
I'm not vouching for that website and simply said they are the only ones I've seen that have compiled physical evidence and tried to piece it together with what is publicly available.

I will however vouch for the officer that shared the info on Brown's DNA. It's silly for you to think law enforcement outside of St. Louis PD don't have friends inside the STL department. Even sillier to think said law enforcement officers wouldn't share this info with friends outside of law enforcement. I'll dig up my initial post when I first mentioned the DNA on the gun and laugh at how far in advance it was before any news source reported it.

[ElNono]

I'm not vouching for that website and simply said they are the only ones I've seen that have compiled physical evidence and tried to piece it together with what is publicly available.

I will however vouch for the officer that shared the info on Brown's DNA. It's silly for you to think law enforcement outside of St. Louis PD don't have friends inside the STL department. Even sillier to think said law enforcement officers wouldn't share this info with friends outside of law enforcement. I'll dig up my initial post when I first mentioned the DNA on the gun and laugh at how far in advance it was before any news source reported it.

I'm pretty sure different investigators in the case are compiling evidence... ultimately, the only evidence that matters.

What's silly is to build a house of cards and draw conclusions from alleged hearsay. A process, I'm sure, that's largely driven by emotion and seeking some self reassurance of a particular narrative.
Nevertheless, the inconvenient fact is that it's impossible to tell if you're getting a scoop or getting played (although the prominent donate button at the top, I think, should give you a hint).

Nobody said LEOs don't talk to friends, never said anything remotely like that. But, point me to the first LEO that publicly comes out and gives any validity to the hearsay, otherwise it's more noise and BS.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm pretty sure different investigators in the case are compiling evidence... ultimately, the only evidence that matters.

What's silly is to build a house of cards and draw conclusions from alleged hearsay. A process, I'm sure, that's largely driven by emotion and seeking some self reassurance of a particular narrative.
Nevertheless, the inconvenient fact is that it's impossible to tell if you're getting a scoop or getting played (although the prominent donate button at the top, I think, should give you a hint).

Nobody said LEOs don't talk to friends, never said anything remotely like that. But, point me to the first LEO that publicly comes out and gives any validity to the hearsay, otherwise it's more noise and BS.
The guy has no reason to play anyone. Just passed on information that was shared with his department.

[ElNono]

The guy has no reason to play anyone. Just passed on information that was shared with his department.

Says who?

[Th'Pusher]

Lol @ TSA being so emotionally invested in this. TSA exhibits the whits of WC with the emotional investment and bias of Yonni. I honestly can't think of a worse combination.

I'd bet $100 this bag worships the likes of Dan Bilzerian.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Lol @ TSA being so emotionally invested in this. TSA exhibits the whits of WC with the emotional investment and bias of Yonni. I honestly can't think of a worse combination.

I'd bet $100 this bag worships the likes of Dan Bilzerian.never heard of Dan Bilzerian, but I'm willing to bet $100 dollars Wilson is said to have a justifiable shoot. Money sent to Kori Ellis, you in?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Says who?
Reliable acquaintance.

[pgardn]

When one is so zealous about an incident we still have no conclusive information on, well, they would make a great militant of any type.

SA seriously craves that Brown went for that gun just like trill craves the hands up, giving up scenario. Two of the same ilk. And neither has a clue how blinded they are. Because they WANT it to be a certain way. Reminds me of the anti-evolution crew in that screwball chatter box full of crazed individuals called the Club.

I just hope after this is all done we have a conclusive verdict that appeals to reason. But I doubt that's possible for people who can't handle the truth.

[ElNono]

Reliable acquaintance.

so it is hearsay :lmao

smh

[pgardn]

so it is hearsay :lmao

smh

Ahhh, the reliable acquaintance card...

[TheSanityAnnex]

When one is so zealous about an incident we still have no conclusive information on, well, they would make a great militant of any type.

SA seriously craves that Brown went for that gun just like trill craves the hands up, giving up scenario. Two of the same ilk. And neither has a clue how blinded they are. Because they WANT it to be a certain way. Reminds me of the anti-evolution crew in that screwball chatter box full of crazed individuals called the Club.

I just hope after this is all done we have a conclusive verdict that appeals to reason. But I doubt that's possible for people who can't handle the truth.i hope for nothing, the piece of shit is done.

[TheSanityAnnex]

so it is hearsay :lmao

smh
Like I just said, laugh away. We'll wait for the evidence.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ahhh, the reliable acquaintance card...
Don't forget I'm that crazy gun nut. The people I shoot with are even crazier, very unreliable people.

[pgardn]

Don't forget I'm that crazy gun nut. The people I shoot with are even crazier, very unreliable people.

Nah, your not crazy, just a zealot.

For the sake of the country and all involved, I hope the evidence and final outcome are overwhelmingly reasonable.

[ElNono]

Like I just said, laugh away. We'll wait for the evidence.

Not you, you and Trill have it all figured out apparently...

[ElNono]

The cynic in me says we might never know what really happened. If the cop is indicted (not a given, IMO), I can see a plea bargain in the future... Don't know how you can have a trial with this circus, tbh

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nah, your not crazy, just a zealot.

For the sake of the country and all involved, I hope the evidence and final outcome are overwhelmingly reasonable.
Unfortunately the overwhelming evidence will infuriate a certain part of the population. Had this certain part waited for actual evidence, and not been blinded by white hate it could have and would have been quite different.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not you, you and Trill have it all figured out apparently...
I'm 99% positive I've got this one. Don't compare me to a twitter spammer please.

[pgardn]

Unfortunately the overwhelming evidence will infuriate a certain part of the population. Had this certain part waited for actual evidence, and not been blinded by white hate it could have and would have been quite different.

I don't think you really get the white police hate thing. I can empathize with it and can give my own anecdotal evidence (even though I am very white) just like you, but it is cruelly blatant.I think most blacks know and understand OJ did it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't think you really get the white police hate thing. I can empathize with it and can give my own anecdotal evidence (even though I am very white) just like you, but it is cruelly blatant.I think most blacks know and understand OJ did it.
Curious about the white hate thing...where did you grow up as a white child? I grew up in Los Angeles, remember the riots and the year after well. Moved back to Long Beach for college and saw much of the same to a lesser degree as well. Do you truly know more about white hate than I do?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't think you really get the white police hate thing. I can empathize with it and can give my own anecdotal evidence (even though I am very white) just like you, but it is cruelly blatant.I think most blacks know and understand OJ did it.
To your last part, many knew but used it as an excuse to act the fool.

[pgardn]

Curious about the white hate thing...where did you grow up as a white child? I grew up in Los Angeles, remember the riots and the year after well. Moved back to Long Beach for college and saw much of the same to a lesser degree as well. Do you truly know more about white hate than I do?

I know about police in San Antonio TX blatantly terrorizing a black family because they were black. I was in the middle of it. A TOTALLY INNOCENT black family while leaving a white family of the same economic stature unscathed. We all have our own experiences. And I consider San Antonio to be one of the more integrated cities. And on the whole I think the police do a very good job here. But their Union took the city for a ride imo.

I also know of an incompetent black worker not being fired because they are black and have threatened the race card. But the police thing was a big slap in the face because it also affected me. Black hate towards me for being white, only in pick up basketball. And I would not call it hate actually. So I have not been beaten up by a black because I was white. Harassed, yep.

So white POLICE hate I get. And I have seen far more whites hate on blacks in southeast Texas.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I know about police in San Antonio TX blatantly terrorizing a black family because they were black. I was in the middle of it. A TOTALLY INNOCENT black family while leaving a white family of the same economic stature unscathed. We all have our own experiences. And I consider San Antonio to be one of the more integrated cities. And on the whole I think the police do a very good job here. But their Union took the city for a ride imo.

I also know of an incompetent black worker not being fired because they are black and have threatened the race card. But the police thing was a big slap in the face because it also affected me. Black hate towards me for being white, only in pick up basketball. And I would not call it hate actually. So I have not been beaten up by a black because I was white. Harassed, yep.

So white POLICE hate I get. And I have seen far more whites hate on blacks in southeast Texas.
Understood and I'm not going to try and compare white hate/black hate we've experienced anymore. We've all experienced some sort of hate either way.

Where I live now seems quite different than the racist place you live in.

[ElNono]

I'm 99% positive I've got this one. Don't compare me to a twitter spammer please.

so does Trill... the irony, crofl

[Trill Clinton]

When one is so zealous about an incident we still have no conclusive information on, well, they would make a great militant of any type.

SA seriously craves that Brown went for that gun just like trill craves the hands up, giving up scenario. Two of the same ilk. And neither has a clue how blinded they are. Because they WANT it to be a certain way. Reminds me of the anti-evolution crew in that screwball chatter box full of crazed individuals called the Club.

I just hope after this is all done we have a conclusive verdict that appeals to reason. But I doubt that's possible for people who can't handle the truth.

several eyewitnesses who do not know each other have all said the same thing. so i'm inclined to believe them. cops have a history of killing black men and getting away with it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc

more importantly, this investigation has been shady as fucc and everybody can see that. a young american citizen was not given due process and shot 6 times and left out on the street for 4 hours.....if you can't empathize with that then you're not human. no ambulance, his body driven off in an unmarked police SUV. the way this been handled looks like a cover up in the making. i'm not falling for it.

[pgardn]

several eyewitnesses who do not know each other have all said the same thing. so i'm inclined to believe them. cops have a history of killing black men and getting away with it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc

more importantly, this investigation has been shady as fucc and everybody can see that. a young american citizen was not given due process and shot 6 times and left out on the street for 4 hours.....if you can't empathize with that then you're not human. no ambulance, his body driven off in an unmarked police SUV. the way this been handled looks like a cover up in the making. i'm not falling for it.

I am well aware of how badly the police have mucked this affair up. I have already posted about the absolute horror of the incident not acted upon immediately. I am aware of the friction between the police and community.

But the shooting should be judged on its own facts or evidence.

And this is a silly message board so I expect people to flame and take sides. But zealots are going to view any controversial situation based on past experience and the bias it induced to make them knee jerkers in the first place. In the world of boots, the only good Republican is a Democrat. And so it goes.

I get the insecurity blacks have concerning police who are supposed to serve and protect. I have seen the position abused in a cruel way involving children. The last time I was pulled over by a cop there was no panic. I just looked at my inspection sticker and registration and then was intensely curious as I looked for a place to pull over. No anger, no fear. I realize others could possibly be in a state of fear in the same situation. I also realize the cop pulling me over could be experiencing a great deal of anxiety in a diff. situation.... night, multiple people in vehicle, priors over the radio...

People should attempt to step out of their shoes and into others. It's a very human quality that should be experienced. But Ultimately differing opinions make boards like these more entertaining. So carry on.

[boutons_deux]

In other Missouri news

Duo Facebooks selfie with OD’d friend before dumping his body because he ‘smelled bad’


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/PrierBerry2.jpg

A Missouri man and woman are under arrest after police say they dumped the body of a friend who had OD’s on a rural back-road after posing for a selfie with the corpse.
Chelsie Berry, 24, and Jared Prier, 28, have been charged with abandonment of a corpse, reportsThe Smoking Gun (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/selfie-with-corpse-posted-on-Facebook-675432).

According to Berry, she was driving around with Dennis “Nathan” Meyer, 30, when Myer started to act “crazy” and injected himself with Dilaudid, a pain killer. The woman claimed that Meyer made her nervous so she contacted Prier, who met her at a McDonald’s where, according to the pair, Myers passed out.

Believing that Meyer had stop breathing and unwilling to call an ambulance because they were both high on meth and Xanax, the pair drove Meyer into the back country, looking for a place to dump his body because, according to the police report, “they did not want to look at him any longer and also the fact that he began to smell bad.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/29/duo-facebooks-selfie-with-odd-friend-before-dumping-his-body-because-he-smelled-bad/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqlhBI3ES1s

[pgardn]

So the whatchamacallit on the right is female?

No way, what am I missing?

[Trill Clinton]

I am well aware of how badly the police have mucked this affair up. I have already posted about the absolute horror of the incident not acted upon immediately. I am aware of the friction between the police and community.

But the shooting should be judged on its own facts or evidence.

And this is a silly message board so I expect people to flame and take sides. But zealots are going to view any controversial situation based on past experience and the bias it induced to make them knee jerkers in the first place. In the world of boots, the only good Republican is a Democrat. And so it goes.

I get the insecurity blacks have concerning police who are supposed to serve and protect. I have seen the position abused in a cruel way involving children. The last time I was pulled over by a cop there was no panic. I just looked at my inspection sticker and registration and then was intensely curious as I looked for a place to pull over. No anger, no fear. I realize others could possibly be in a state of fear in the same situation. I also realize the cop pulling me over could be experiencing a great deal of anxiety in a diff. situation.... night, multiple people in vehicle, priors over the radio...

People should attempt to step out of their shoes and into others. It's a very human quality that should be experienced. But Ultimately differing opinions make boards like these more entertaining. So carry on.


yup people are going to take sides and jump to conclusions. there is also the group that think mike deserved to die for stealing cigars....i think most of us have stolen something as a youth.

as far as the bold, i suggest more members from the dominant society who claim they're not racist, advocate for their fellow americans who are being killed by law enforcement.

[boutons_deux]

"People should attempt to step out of their shoes and into others"

Not in this America. This is RANDIAN America, social/economic DARWINIAN America, dog-eat-dog, every Rugged Individual (and his guns) for himself America.

[pgardn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qTBPtWUJqPM


New procedures for approaching crazy people?
I think so.
We don't know everything here but this appears very wrong. Very.
Sorry if this is a repost.

I realize the police don't know if he is armed but procedures have to change.

Way back I think I was the one of the few appalled by this video.
And I still am.

It it seems very odd to me that we accept killing a man asking to be shot, carrying a knife approaching the police asking to be shot. They drive up on the curb... This aided in making it less likely to talk this guy down. The police followed procedure, I question the rules of engagement.

Brown and and the store owner. People don't like to see thieves blatantly use physical force. Wanting him dead for this, nuts.

[pgardn]

"People should attempt to step out of their shoes and into others"

Not in this America. This is RANDIAN America, social/economic DARWINIAN America, dog-eat-dog, every Rugged Individual (and his guns) for himself America.

The only good Republican is a Democrat, America.

Darwin?
People who don't understand what Darwin wrote use this drivel.

[boutons_deux]

The only good Republican is a Democrat, America.

Darwin?
People who don't understand what Darwin wrote use this drivel.

:lol pgardn doing an excellent WC imitation

[CosmicCowboy]

yup people are going to take sides and jump to conclusions. there is also the group that think mike deserved to die for stealing cigars....i think most of us have stolen something as a youth.

as far as the bold, i suggest more members from the dominant society who claim they're not racist, advocate for their fellow americans who are being killed by law enforcement.

I advocate that if they don't act like dumbasses then law enforcement won't shoot them.

[boutons_deux]

I advocate that if they don't act like dumbasses then law enforcement won't shoot them.

bullshit, as if acting like dumbasses were why The Negroes get harassed and murdered.

[boutons_deux]

Missouri Police Face $40M Lawsuit for 'Military Tactics' in Ferguson

A group of people caught up in unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, after a white officer killed a black teenager, sued local officials on Thursday, alleging civil rights violations through arrests and police assaults with rubber bullets and tear gas.

The suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, says law enforcement met a broad public outcry over the Aug. 9 killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown with "militaristic displays of force and weaponry," (and) engaged U.S. citizens "as if they were war combatants."

The lawsuit seeks a total of $40 million on behalf of six plaintiffs, including a 17-year-old boy who was with his mother in a fast-food restaurant when they were arrested. Each of the plaintiffs was caught up in interactions with police over a period from Aug. 11 to 13, the suit allege.

http://news.yahoo.com/missouri-police-sued-40-million-over-actions-ferguson-210639404.html

Ferguson better vastly increase the rate of citing and ticketing The Negroes to pay for the costs of defending the cops.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Either you are trolling hard or are truly a stupid fucking hypocrite


yup people are going to take sides and jump to conclusions.You immediately took a side and posted tweets of proven liars. lol shot in the back



there is also the group that think mike deserved to die for stealing cigars....i think most of us have stolen something as a youth.Brown was killed for attacking a police officer, not stealing cigars. More lies.


as far as the bold, i suggest more members from the dominant society who claim they're not racist, advocate for their fellow americans who are being killed by law enforcement.Yet you were NOWHERE to be seen in the thread about the black officer killing the unarmed white kid.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Missouri Police Face $40M Lawsuit for 'Military Tactics' in Ferguson

A group of people caught up in unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, after a white officer killed a black teenager, sued local officials on Thursday, alleging civil rights violations through arrests and police assaults with rubber bullets and tear gas.

The suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, says law enforcement met a broad public outcry over the Aug. 9 killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown with "militaristic displays of force and weaponry," (and) engaged U.S. citizens "as if they were war combatants."

The lawsuit seeks a total of $40 million on behalf of six plaintiffs, including a 17-year-old boy who was with his mother in a fast-food restaurant when they were arrested. Each of the plaintiffs was caught up in interactions with police over a period from Aug. 11 to 13, the suit allege.

http://news.yahoo.com/missouri-police-sued-40-million-over-actions-ferguson-210639404.html

Ferguson better vastly increase the rate of citing and ticketing The Negroes to pay for the costs of defending the cops.




"We have a right to peacefully protest (loot/vandalize)"

[boutons_deux]

Another huge slanderous LIE by Repugs, conservatives, racists exposed! :lol

Messaging Service Verifies Alleged Audio Recording Of Michael Brown Shooting

The company that runs the video messaging service that purportedly captured audio of the Michael Brown shooting has confirmed the authenticity of the recording.

The audio of the shooting incident, which occurred in Ferguson, Mo., on August 9, was reportedly recorded unknowingly by a nearby man who was using the messaging service Glide. Only later, after the shooting became an international story, did the man realize he had captured the audio of what sounded like gunshots. But questions remained about whether the recording itself was authentic. CNN first aired (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/audio-allegedly-shows-at-least-10-shots-fired-michael-brown) the recording on Monday.

According to The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/28/video-messaging-service-verifies-timing-of-cnn-audio-recording/), Glide emailed its Erik Wemple blog with this statement about the recording's authenticity:


Because Glide is the only messaging application using streaming video technology, each message is simultaneously recorded and transmitted, so the exact time can be verified to the second. In this case, the video in question was created at 12:02:14 PM CDT on Saturday, August 9th.

In a conversation with the blog, Glide's head of communications, Chaim Haas, said, "The question we are being asked is is this authentic and the answer is absolutely." Haas said this information doesn't prove that the sounds are of Michael Brown's shooting but noted that the FBI would be notified of its authenticity.

The messaging service also posted a statement (http://blog.glide.me/post/96012321805/in-the-moment-glide-verifies-ferguson-shooting) verifying the authenticity of the recording on its website.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glide-authenticates-alleged-michael-brown-audio?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

Next up: Brown's DNA on the shooter's shooter.

[boutons_deux]

A Glide user living nearby (whose identity is being protected) was simply using the Glide app on their smartphone exactly as it was designed – to instantly communicate with a friend through our real-time video texting service. Simultaneously, they also captured audio in the background of the gunshots allegedly fired at Michael Brown.Because Glide is the only messaging application using streaming video technology, each message is simultaneously recorded and transmitted, so the exact time can be verified to the second. In this case, the video in question was created at 12:02:14 PM CDT on Saturday, August 9th.

Over the past few days, conservative media have lambasted CNN for releasing the audio. One of the main issues right-wingers have had with the recording is that CNN’s Don Lemon, when breaking the news, specifically pointed out that the network could not independently verify the recording. Of course, Lemon did have on the lawyer of the man who recorded the shots (the Ferguson resident remains unidentified) and stated that the FBI had already interviewed the lawyer and man. While covering themselves with a blanket disclaimer, CNN was still confident enough to run the recording with the knowledge that it wouldn’t come back to bite them as a hoax.

However, that wasn’t good enough for the conservative media entertainment complex. They latched onto any spurious details they could find that might somehow prove that the recording was indeed fake. It started earlier this week when CNN had two former police officers on to discuss the authenticity of the recording. Even though both so-called experts specifically said they no idea one way or the other of the legitimacy of the recording, they both provided their personal opinions and thoughts regarding the tape. Basically, they thought it was likely a hoax and a way for someone to “punk” the network.

Well, that was enough to start the right-wing screech-a-thon. All the usual suspects jumped on this huge ‘bombshell’ right away –The Daily Caller, Breitbart, Hot Air – declaring that experts debunked the recording as a hoax. Of course, nothing of the sort actually occurred. But that isn’t going to stop conservative media outlets from trying to change the narrative. The king of right-wing blubbery, Rush Limbaugh, not only claimed that the audio was a hoax, but attacked the man (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/08/27/don_lemon_defends_sexy_ferguson_audio)who made the recording for allegedly using Glide for sexting.

RUSH: Wait a second, stop the tape, stop, stop, cue this back. So now (laughing) this is great, CNN. Here we’ve got a guy involved in a — what do you call it, sexting? Here’s a guy involved in a sex chat, and he happens now to be a CNN source, so of course the first thing we have to do is say, “Hey, hey, nothing strange here. A lot of red-blooded American men do this. Ain’t no big deal, audience. So don’t discredit our new source because you might think he is a reprobate. No, no, no, no, no. We even have some people at CNN that do this.” Well, he didn’t say that, but that’s how — (laughing) and they tape themselves doing it, too. It’s just so common, nothing to see here on that score. Don’t be negatively affected by the fact that the guy is doing whatever he’s doing to his computer. Okay, here it is again from the top.
…
RUSH: Oh, is that why it took over a week, the guy didn’t know who to call? CNN’s probably walking by the house every day. How many media people were there? This guy is close enough to hear the shots, right? He and his computer are close enough for his computer to pick up the shots, and he can’t find a media person. He doesn’t know who to call. He doesn’t know how to reach them. He apparently can’t look out the window that picked up all these shots and see an army of media people out there. He didn’t know what to do. So somehow the guy finds CNN.

Now, we love Don Lemon here. Don Lemon, I mean, this guy’s a gem. We love him here. I hope nothing ever happens to him.


Salon’s John Avignone had the perfect response (http://www.salon.com/2014/08/29/secrets_of_the_right_wing_lie_machine_how_rush_lim baugh_and_others_distorted_cnns_ferguson_scoop/) to Rush’s criticism of the man for apparently using his computer to chat with a female in a provocative way.

It was an ironic line of criticism to be sure, coming from a man detained at Customs over a jumbo-size bottle of Viagra after returning from a jaunt to the Dominican Republic.

the same has happened with the audio recording. Conservatives, who fully want to believe that the shooting of an unarmed 18-year-old black man at the hands of a white police officer was perfectly acceptable and called for, continue to put all of their eggs in non-existent baskets.


http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/29/right-wing-lie-debunked-michael-brown-audio-recording-hoax.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

You Repugs and conservatives got NOTHING BUT LIES and SLANDER, per usual! :lol

[pgardn]

:lol pgardn doing an excellent WC imitation

Do I need to explain what I wrote and embarrass you again?

Do you not get the conservative total misuse of Darwin's ideas? Or what?

[boutons_deux]

Do I need to explain what I wrote and embarrass you again?

Do you not get the conservative total misuse of Darwin's ideas? Or what?

:lol pg doing his best imitation of snark snark TB :lol

[pgardn]

:lol pg doing his best imitation of snark snark TB :lol

ahh the emoticons

Boots has no answers.
I still love you.
Dont worry.

[Cry Havoc]

"We have a right to peacefully protest (loot/vandalize)"

"The only way to respond to unarmed/lightly armed vandals is with massive amounts of military equipment built for a warzone."

[boutons_deux]

ahh the emoticons

Boots has no answers.
I still love you.
Dont worry.

GFY

[pgardn]

GFY

Rejection is a hard pill to swallow.
You might have hurt my self image.
How will you sleep tonight?

[boutons_deux]

Police Tase Black Man Who Was Sitting On A Chair While Waiting To Pick Up His Kids (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/29/3477318/police-taser-man-for-sitting-on-a-chair-while-waiting-to-pick-up-his-kids/)

Chris Lollie, 28, says he was waiting to pick up his children in a skyway in St. Paul, Minnesota, after working the night shift in a nearby restaurant. A security guard told him the seemingly public area he was sitting in was reserved for employees. Lollie, suspecting he’s being singled out for his race, responded that there was no sign saying so. The guard called the police, who confronted Lollie.

The video begins while a female officer is questioning Lollie as the two of them walk down the skyway. In the video, Lollie calmly but firmly explains that he’s waiting for his children that he knows his rights. The conflict quickly escalates when a second, male officer arrives. “I’ve got to go get my kids,” Lollie tells the second officer, asking him not to touch him. “You’re going to go to jail, then,” the second officer says. “Put your hands behind your back or things are going to get ugly.”

“I haven’t done anything wrong,” Lollie says over and over again, before the officer screams, “Put your hands behind your back!” and uses his taser on him.

Police said Lollie was acting aggressively, and filed charges for trespassing, disorderly conduct, and obstructing the legal process, according to the Pioneer Press. All three charges were dropped last month after surveillance video and witness statements were shown in court. Lollie told the Pioneer Press that throughout the ordeal, he was “trying my hardest to maintain my calm demeanor just because I know if I do anything outside of these bounds, they could really do some damage to me.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/29/3477318/police-taser-man-for-sitting-on-a-chair-while-waiting-to-pick-up-his-kids/

aka "living while black"

[m>s]

I'm not turning in my guns ever

[m>s]

Thinking about owning a tank tbh

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol pgardn doing an excellent WC imitation

:lol
Vitamin I....refreshing!

[pgardn]

Thinking about owning a tank tbh

What are you going to stock it with?

I suggest bass and channel catfish.
Make sure there are enough forage fish before you stock it though.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Update on juvenile criminal record today

[boutons_deux]

here's one for all you racists dancing on the grave of your hated "thug"

Viral Right-Wing Smear Of Michael Brown Debunked (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/03/3478656/viral-right-wing-smear-of-michael-brown-debunked/)

Less than a week ago, the conservative website Independent Review Journal (http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/172458-breaking-michael-brown-allegedly-involved-second-degree-murder-case/) produced an article hyping an allegation that Michael Brown — the unarmed teenager killed in Ferguson — was arrested for second-degree murder. The piece was a viral sensation, shared over 63,000 times on various social networks.

The piece was based on a series of tweets by Charles C. Johnson, an “independent” right-wing reporter. Johnson cited “two law enforcement contacts.”

Johnson then filed a lawsuit in Missouri demanding the release of Michael Brown’s juvenile record. The lawsuit, which was posted on the Independent Review Journal, reads like a political diatribe (http://www.scribd.com/doc/237460782/Lawsuit-to-Release-Michael-Brown-Juvenile-Record). Under a section called “General Allegations,” the lawsuit states “there is a substantial portion of the country that believes that Officer Wilson murdered an unarmed African American young man and believes that police and other authorities are attempting to cover-up the ‘homicide’ to protect a white police offer.” What Brown’s juvenile criminal record has to do with this — if anything — is left to the reader’s imagination.

Today, during a hearing on a similar suit filed by the St. Louis Post Dispatch, “[a] Missouri court official said … that Ferguson police-shooting victim Michael Brown was never convicted of a serious A-level or B-level felony as a juvenile and was not facing any charges (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/no-top-felony-convictions-michael-browns-juvenile-record-court-n194701) at the time of his death.” This means that Brown was never convicted of second degree murder and was not facing charges of second degree murder at the time of his death.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/03/3478656/viral-right-wing-smear-of-michael-brown-debunked/

As per usual, right wingers, Repugs, VRWC got nothing but smears, lies, slander

[TeyshaBlue]

As per usual, think progress :lol thinks it heard "something" from "somebody" and their audience of morons lap it right up....smh

[TheSanityAnnex]

As per usual, right wingers, Repugs, VRWC got nothing but smears, lies, slanderAs per usual liberals, faggots, and hippies continue to excuse and ignore the felony robbery Saint Mike Brown committed before trying to disarm an officer and then charge him. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As per usual liberals, faggots, and hippies continue to excuse and ignore the felony robbery Saint Mike Brown committed before trying to disarm an officer and then charge him. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Cop was not aware of it before that incident so other than character assassination, your point is moot.

Mike Brown was a criminal. That does not justify shooting him execution style like the 4 eye witness reports attest to. Cop got beat up and scared perhaps but even that does not excuse shooting him once he had stopped and put his hands up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Cop was not aware of it before that incident so other than character assassination, your point is moot.
the mind set of Mike Brown, who just committed felony robbery, at the time of the confrontation with Wilson means a great deal, my point stands.


Mike Brown was a criminal. That does not justify shooting him execution style like the 4 eye witness reports attest to. Cop got beat up and scared perhaps but even that does not excuse shooting him once he had stopped and put his hands up.
Where are these 4 eyewitness reports that say he shot him execution style with his hands up? Is this some new info or are you sourcing the same 4 eyewitnesses that originally said he was shot in the back trying to run away, and then changed their story once the autopsy came out. Link to the 4 liewitnesses please.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I see your lap dog pusher showed up promptly for some leg humping. :lol not 10 seconds after I posted.

[Th'Pusher]

the mind set of Mike Brown, who just committed felony robbery, at the time of the confrontation with Wilson means a great deal, my point stands.


Where are these 4 eyewitness reports that say he shot him execution style with his hands up? Is this some new info or are you sourcing the same 4 eyewitnesses that originally said he was shot in the back trying to run away, and then changed their story once the autopsy came out. Link to the 4 liewitnesses please.
Lol @ felony robbery for a pack of cigarillos.

[TeyshaBlue]

Should be a crime for buying those nasty ass things. Belly up and get a real cigar, junior.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Lol @ felony robbery for a pack of cigarillos.
Lol @ not understanding once you take ANYTHING by force it is felony robbery.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Pertinent information for Fuzzy and his lapdog.




http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/08/24/a-dose-of-reality-for-ferguson-missouri/

A Dose of Reality for Ferguson, Missouri

Unlike much of America, I’ve stayed quiet about the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. As a cop, I know initial media reports about any incident are usually wrong. I also know that many media outlets and internet commentators deliberately twist facts to inflame emotion. They’ll throw out empty, meaningless phrases like “he was shot in broad daylight, in his own hometown” even though that has literally nothing to do with the legality or illegality of the shooting.
And it goes without saying that in any incident involving a police officer, many people with absolutely no understanding of police work or lethal violence suddenly think they’re experts. After Brown’s death I expected a loud chorus of hysterical cries from people who had no idea what the hell they were talking about. I haven’t been disappointed.
“But he was unarmed!”
I’ve lost count of the times I’ve heard the term “unarmed teenager”. Yes, Brown was an unarmed 18 year old. He was also 6’4″ and 292 pounds. Anyone who thinks an unarmed, 6’4″, 292 pound man can’t be a threat has never been punched in the face. Unarmed people can be extremely dangerous.
In 2012 an unarmed 17 year old beat an El Paso police officer to death. The officer was 29 years old, a former Marine and veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21708260/el-paso-police-officer-dies-from-sept-25
An off-duty police officer in New York City was beaten almost to death by an unarmed man last November.
In July, an unarmed 21 year old “felt like killing someone” and beat a 56 year old random victim to death at a train station in San Antonio.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/suspect-in-san-antonio-beating-death-i-feel-like-killing-someone/
In 2012, an unarmed 24 year old man beat a man to death for raping his daughter.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-texas-father-beat-death-daughters-molester/story?id=16612071
Those chanting “but he was unarmed” are pathetically ignorant of the reality of violence. Unarmed people hurt or kill others on a regular basis. No, that doesn’t mean every unarmed person needs to be shot; it does, however, mean an aggressive, unarmed person can be a threat to your life. The bigger and stronger that person is, the bigger the threat.
“All Michael Brown did was shoplift cigars.”
No, he didn’t “shoplift” anything. He committed a robbery. Shoplifting is a nonviolent crime, usually committed by people desperate to avoid confrontation. Robbery is violent. When someone uses or threatens force to take anything, no matter how unimportant or inexpensive, that’s robbery. If someone grabs you by the collar, reaches into your pocket and takes a single piece of chewing gum, the problem isn’t the lost gum. The problem is that someone used force to take your property.
Many media outlets refer to Brown’s crime as theft or shoplifting. That’s probably a deliberate lie, chosen specifically to downplay the crime Brown committed. The Daily Kos, which can always be trusted to produce inflammatory stupidity, said “Brown shoplifted some cigars on the day he was killed”, which does not in any way describe what happened (the same article also claimed “Michael Brown was gunned down by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, apparently for the crime of jaywalking”).
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/22/1323751/-Ferguson-Missouri-The-case-of-the-vanishing-fractured-orbital-bone-and-journalistic-integrity
Cracked magazine, which usually does a good job of cutting through nonsense, mentioned “robbery” but then decided to go full propaganda: “…the officer (who was aware of the previous robbery) saw Brown walking with the same cigars that had been stolen and suspected that he was the shoplifter.”
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-facts-about-ferguson-media-keeps-screwing-up/#ixzz3BEelkF41
No, Cracked. He wasn’t a “shoplifter”. He was a robber. There’s a huge difference between someone who sticks cigars in his pocket and walks out of a store, versus a guy who grabs cigars, pushes a store owner around and threatens him, and then walks out. The first act is simple nonviolent theft, the second is a violent robbery.
Both Kos and Cracked assert the robbery didn’t matter, either because the officer didn’t know about it or because stealing $50 worth of cigars doesn’t justify a shooting. I offer a counterpoint: yes, the robbery is hugely important. We’ve heard conflicting reports about whether or not the officer was aware of the robbery, and I can’t say for certain he knew Brown was a robbery suspect. But Michael Brown sure as hell knew he had committed a robbery. He knew he was about to be arrested for something more serious than shoplifting. Does that mean Brown would likely react more aggressively toward the officer than someone who had committed simple theft? Based on my experiences dealing with suspects who just committed felonies, I’d say yes.
“The officer shot him six times!”

Yes, the officer shot Brown six times. That sounds excessive. It’s not. On TV and in movies, people get shot one time, fly through the air in a spray of blood and immediately die. In real life they don’t.

A police officer got into a gunfight with a robbery suspect in 2009. The officer shot the suspect 14 times with a .45 pistol, and 6 of the bullet wounds were nonsurvivable. The suspect still didn’t go down. The officer finally shot the suspect three more times, in the face and top of the head. The head shot finally stopped him, but didn’t kill him; he died later, at the hospital. An autopsy determined he hadn’t been under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/
Last year I wrote an essay about what bullets really do (and don’t do). I described incidents I worked where people were shot but didn’t react the way most people think they should. These incidents include a robbery victim who was shot three times including once in the forehead and still ran 500 yards to find help, a young female shot through the thigh who showed no reaction at all, and a man with part of his head blown off who was still conscious and alert.
http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2013/01/28/seven-rounds/
Police officers are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralized. Under stress we’re not counting bullets, we’re shooting until we’ve eliminated the threat. It is not at all uncommon for a person to take multiple bullets before they stop being a threat.
“The officer should have used his baton, Taser or pepper spray instead of his gun.”
Here’s a little-known reality about intermediate weapons: they don’t always work. In 20 years as a cop I’ve used my baton twice. Both suspects wound up in the hospital… eventually. At the time I was hitting them, they weren’t impressed. I’ve also pepper sprayed around 30 suspects. Pepper spray works on everyone… eventually. Some people don’t react to it right away. And even if you get a hit, that hit might not be enough to stop the suspect.
In 1992 a police officer responded to a domestic disturbance and confronted a violent wife abuser. The officer sprayed the suspect. The unarmed suspect beat and disabled the officer, then fractured the officer’s skull with a stick of firewood. The officer died shortly afterward.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/05/grant_county_cop_killer_to_be.html
Here’s a video of a March 2014 encounter between a police officer and suspect in a Philadelphia train station. The officer pepper sprays the suspect and hits him with a baton, to no effect. During the fight the suspect tries to disarm the officer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-captures-intense-fight-between-suspect-philadelphia-officer/
Here’s one of an officer who pepper sprayed a combative suspect. It didn’t work. He then shot the suspect. The suspect disarmed the officer and tried to shoot him, then almost beat him unconscious.
But what about Tasers? Tasers work great, except when they don’t. If there’s not enough spread between the darts, the shock won’t disable the suspect. If one dart misses, no shock. If one dart gets hung up in clothing, no shock. If the Taser itself malfunctions, no shock.
And any intermediate weapon takes time to deploy and properly use. If a large, aggressive suspect charges me, I know I have mere seconds to choose a force option and hope it works. Whatever I choose, I know it’ll likely be the only weapon I can employ before the suspect is on me. Batons, pepper spray and Tasers all have significant failure rates. In some cases, the best option is to go straight for the pistol.
“Witnesses said Brown was giving up when he was shot.”
Witnesses have said a lot of things. Shockingly, Brown’s friend insists he and Brown were innocently minding their own business until an evil racist police officer cursed at them, ordered them out of the street, grabbed 6’4″ Brown around the neck (without even getting out of his patrol vehicle!), shot Brown as he was running away, then shot him again after Brown put his hands up in surrender.
There is no reason to disbelieve this version of events. Except for the fact that Brown’s friend was with him during the robbery, has a warrant for theft and giving a fake name to police, and, being Brown’s friend, is biased in his favor. Oh, and the multiple autopsies that show Brown wasn’t shot in the back.
This might be a shock to some, but sometimes people lie to protect their friends. Every time we cops show up to a bar fight, it’s practically a comedy routine from each “victim” and their friends. “Officer, I was walking by the pool table and that guy bumped into me. I said ‘Excuse me sir, I didn’t mean to bump you and I profusely apologize’, but the guy punched me! For no reason!” I’ve lost count of the hours I’ve wasted taking statements from bar fighters and their friends who insist they’re all sweet innocent angels who were viciously attacked for no reason.
I worked one shooting where the victim’s girlfriend swore – SWORE – that her boyfriend’s ex-wife had driven by and shot him as he and the girlfriend were leaving a restaurant. No other witnesses said anything even remotely like that. No physical evidence corroborated the girlfriend’s story. Eventually investigators figured out the boyfriend was shot by an unrelated woman during a fight between eight drunks in the parking lot. The woman even confessed. But the girlfriend still swore – SWORE – it was the ex-wife. Amazingly enough, witnesses with an axe to grind sometimes lie.
There are witnesses who insist Brown was attacked for no reason whatsoever. But at least two of those “witness” statements don’t match up to the physical evidence.
“Johnson said the officer hit Brown with another round as he was running away and fatally gunned him down after he stopped and raised his hands in surrender.”
“Brady [another alleged witness] said Brown and Johnson then ran away, while Wilson got out of his car and began shooting.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/21/here-is-everything-police-and-witnesses-said-happened-when-michael-brown-was-killed/
No, the officer didn’t shoot Brown in the back as he was running away, unless all three forensic pathologists managed to miss the gunshot wound in his back during their autopsies. Call me crazy, but I’m not going to take their “That cop shot Brown for no reason as he was running away” statements as gospel. Another as-yet-unidentified witness made a statement in the background of a video taken right after the shooting. He said a shot was fired in the police car during a struggle, then Brown ran away, then was shot repeatedly after he turned and charged the officer. The witness statement begins around 6:30.
We will likely never know the identity of that witness and I’m sure that statement will never reach any court. But I think it was from an actual unbiased witness, and is probably closer to the truth than any other “witness” statement we’ve heard.
[B]Bottom line
You’ll notice I said “I think” the videotaped witness statement is true, instead of saying “I know”. I’ve formed a opinion but can’t claim I know what actually happened. Officer Darren Wilson may have stopped Brown for walking in the street, then shot him repeatedly for absolutely no reason. Crazier things have happened.
But you know what’s more likely? Wilson simply ordered Brown and his friend to get out of the street, then realized they were robbery suspects and tried to stop them. Instead of complying, Brown shoved Wilson back into his vehicle, punched him (and maybe broke his eye socket), then ran away after Wilson fired a shot. Wilson jumped out and ordered Brown to stop. Brown chose to charge Wilson, who fired until Brown fell dead.
That’s what I think happened. But I don’t know for certain.
Since I don’t know the actual truth I’ll keep this opinion in the land of conjecture, where it belongs. I won’t scream about racism. I won’t demand prosecution as a way to curry favor with a particular demographic. I won’t excuse the thieving, brutal punks who use this alleged injustice as an excuse to be the murderers and looters they already were. I won’t let dumbass fantasies like “unarmed people can’t be a threat”, “he could have just used pepper spray” or “there’s never a reason to shoot someone more than once” influence my opinion. Instead, I’ll stand by and wait for actual evidence.
If that evidence shows Officer Wilson murdered Brown, I’ll fully support his prosecution. But if the evidence shows Wilson acted both legally and morally, I’m 100% on his side. Either way, I won’t let emotions drive my decision. Maybe a few others on TV and online, and a whole bunch of people in Ferguson, should try to keep their emotions in check as well.
http://chrishernandezauthor.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/4452_1084593231917_5914735_n-2.jpg?w=272&h=300 (http://chrishernandezauthor.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/4452_1084593231917_5914735_n-2.jpg)
Chris Hernandez is a 20 year police officer, former Marine and currently serving National Guard soldier with over 25 years of military service. He is a combat veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan and also served 18 months as a United Nations police officer in Kosovo. He writes for BreachBangClear.com, Iron Mike magazine and has published two military fiction novels, Proof of Our Resolve and Line in the Valley, through Tactical16 Publishing. He can be reached at [email protected].

[TheSanityAnnex]

And just like that the two liberal faggot hippies run away. LOL

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/Screenshot2014-09-03at62750PM_zpsb06a8dac.png (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/thefuzzylumpkins/media/Screenshot2014-09-03at62750PM_zpsb06a8dac.png.html)


:lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't run away. I think it is hilarious that you are unable to articulate your own arguments. You are like a shitty lawyer where you spam shit without understanding it weill in the hopes that people don't want to deal with it. It's a common debate tactic if a shitty one.

The only disparity in the eyewitness testimony is whether or not Brown threatened the cop when he turned around. Just because someone was mistaken in thinking that one of the more than 6 shots that were fired actually hit doesn't invalidate the rest of the testimony. Then there are the wounds on the interior of the arms and hand which are indicative of a person holding their hands up.

Go ahead and spam some more shit.

[ChumpDumper]

Memba det time TSA said Brown was charged with murder then tried to act like he didn't?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I didn't run away. I think it is hilarious that you are unable to articulate your own arguments. You are like a shitty lawyer where you spam shit without understanding it weill in the hopes that people don't want to deal with it. It's a common debate tactic if a shitty one.

The only disparity in the eyewitness testimony is whether or not Brown threatened the cop when he turned around. Just because someone was mistaken in thinking that one of the more than 6 shots that were fired actually hit doesn't invalidate the rest of the testimony. Then there are the wounds on the interior of the arms and hand which are indicative of a person holding their hands up.

Go ahead and spam some more shit.

Where are the links to the 4 eyewitness reports that say he had his hands up and was killed execution style? Should be simple to provide, why haven't you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Memba det time TSA said Brown was charged with murder then tried to act like he didn't?

Memba dat time the thread went right over your head?

[ChumpDumper]

Memba dat time the thread went right over your head?No. I don't remember that happening tbh.

[m>s]

No. I don't remember that happening tbh.
Fucking race traitors man ooooooh I fucking wish...

[ChumpDumper]

Fucking race traitors man ooooooh I fucking wish...
Wish what?

[m>s]

I fucking wish dude

[Th'Pusher]

Memba dat time the thread went right over your head?

I like it when you pretend to be 2 steps ahead while it's clear to anyone reading you're completely reactionary, bumbling around like a shortsighted fool throwing whatever shit against the wall you think will stick, then pivoting to the, I was just trolling whenever being called out.

Zzzzzzzz...

[TheSanityAnnex]

I like it when you pretend to be 2 steps ahead while it's clear to anyone reading you're completely reactionary, bumbling around like a shortsighted fool throwing whatever shit against the wall you think will stick, then pivoting to the, I was just trolling whenever being called out.

Zzzzzzzz...
I'm always 2 steps ahead Push, always.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Where are the links to the 4 eyewitness reports that say he had his hands up and was killed execution style? Should be simple to provide, why haven't you?

[Th'Pusher]

I'm always 2 steps ahead Push, always.

You're not though. You're an anonymous dumbass internet personality who lacks any true credibility outside of a narrow fan club who are impressed with your gun collection, narrow minded political views and the bravado that the anaonimity of the internet affords you.

You're not smart or clever. Just bleh.

[pgardn]

I fucking wish dude

I would so cut a swastika in your head. That's a wish.
My white face and blue eyes would look right at you.
And brand you.
Nazi.

[m>s]

I would so cut a swastika in your head. That's a wish.
My white face and blue eyes would look right at you.
And brand you.
Nazi.
You want totallen krieg? You're going to get it race traitor.

[pgardn]

You want totallen krieg? You're going to get it race traitor.

White face and blue eyes just gouging out that swastika on your face, so you can't hide it.
Wear it Nazi.

[m>s]

White face and blue eyes just gouging out that swastika on your face, so you can't hide it.
Wear it Nazi.
We had a word for your kind back in the day. Communist partisan. They were all swiftly executed on the spot in order to conserve resources.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You're not though. You're an anonymous dumbass internet personality who lacks any true credibility outside of a narrow fan club who are impressed with your gun collection, narrow minded political views and the bravado that the anaonimity of the internet affords you.

You're not smart or clever. Just bleh.like I said, 2 steps ahead.

And what is this fan club you've created in your head? I've no friends here, no cliques, no crews.


Let's not get off topic though, why don't you find the sources your faggylumpkins is afraid to post.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where are the links to the 4 eyewitness reports that say he had his hands up and was killed execution style? Should be simple to provide, why haven't you?

Because I don't feel like it? You are pretty damn closed minded and a bit slow so I don't really feel like arguing with you over minutiae.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Because I don't feel like it? You are pretty damn closed minded and a bit slow so I don't really feel like arguing with you over minutiae.

You don't feel like having your 4 eyewitness accounts that claim peaceful Mike with hands up was killed execution style to be torn apart.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Because I don't feel like it? You are pretty damn closed minded and a bit slow so I don't really feel like arguing with you over minutiae.

:cry details don't matter :cry

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nah I have better things to do then argue with a sophist that is not very smart and is extremely closed minded. You are confirmation bias incarnate and have never displayed the ability to even entertain an idea outside of your bias.

It's pointless and a waste of time so I choose not to participate. You can try and spin it however you like. Your opinion has no weight for me.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nah I have better things to do then argue with a sophist that is not very smart and is extremely closed minded. You are confirmation bias incarnate and have never displayed the ability to even entertain an idea outside of your bias.

It's pointless and a waste of time so I choose not to participate. You can try and spin it however you like. Your opinion has no weight for me.


There is nothing for me to spin. You made a claim and were asked to verify it to which you have refused. You are now backing away from it like the true coward you are.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:cry minutiae :cry

[boutons_deux]

As darkness fell on Canfield Drive on August 9, a makeshift memorial sprang up in the middle of the street where Michael Brown's body had been sprawled in plain view for more than four hours. Flowers and candles were scattered over the bloodstains on the pavement. Someone had affixed a stuffed animal to a streetlight pole a few yards away. Neighborhood residents and others were gathering, many of them upset and angry.

Soon, police vehicles reappeared, including from the St. Louis County Police Department, which had taken control of the investigation. Several officers emerged with dogs.

What happened next, according to several sources, was emblematic of what has inflamed the city of Ferguson, Missouri, ever since the unarmed 18-year-old was gunned down:

An officer on the street let the dog he was controlling urinate on the memorial site.
The incident was related to me separately by three state and local officials who worked with the community in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. One confirmed that he interviewed an eyewitness, a young woman, and pressed her on what exactly she saw. "She said that the officer just let the dog pee on it,"

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/ferguson-st-louis-police-tactics-dogs-michael-brown

killer kops had a good laugh about that, no doubt.

[TheSanityAnnex]

As darkness fell on Canfield Drive on August 9, a makeshift memorial sprang up in the middle of the street where Michael Brown's body had been sprawled in plain view for more than four hours. Flowers and candles were scattered over the bloodstains on the pavement. Someone had affixed a stuffed animal to a streetlight pole a few yards away. Neighborhood residents and others were gathering, many of them upset and angry.

Soon, police vehicles reappeared, including from the St. Louis County Police Department, which had taken control of the investigation. Several officers emerged with dogs.

What happened next, according to several sources, was emblematic of what has inflamed the city of Ferguson, Missouri, ever since the unarmed 18-year-old was gunned down:

An officer on the street let the dog he was controlling urinate on the memorial site.
The incident was related to me separately by three state and local officials who worked with the community in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. One confirmed that he interviewed an eyewitness, a young woman, and pressed her on what exactly she saw. "She said that the officer just let the dog pee on it,"

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/ferguson-st-louis-police-tactics-dogs-michael-brown

killer kops had a good laugh about that, no doubt.




:cry canis lupus familiaris urine minutiae :cry

[boutons_deux]

:cry canis lupus familiaris urine minutiae :cry

a police dog allowed to piss on a black memorial is only trivial to you racist rednecks

and why did police need to take attack dogs to a black gathering? Bull Connor is applauding

[boutons_deux]

Confederacy news:

Baton Rouge cop resigns after he’s caught texting desire to ‘pull a Ferguson’ on ‘n*ggers

A police officer in Baton Rouge resigned Thursday after a local news channel revealed (http://www.wbrz.com/news/exclusive-officer-s-alleged-racially-charged-text-messages-under-investigation/) that he sent text messages in which he wished that fellow officers “would pull a Ferguson” on a “bunch of monkeys,” The Advocate reports (http://www.wbrz.com/news/exclusive-officer-s-alleged-racially-charged-text-messages-under-investigation/).

Fifteen-year-veteran Michael Elsbury resigned on Thursday after text messages he sent to a female friend were brought to the attention of his superiors. In one message, Officer Elsbury — whose patrol included the area around the historically black Southern University — wrote that blacks are “nothing but a bunch of monkeys,” and that the “only reason they have this job is the ******, ****** in them.” It is unclear what “job” he is referring to.

In another text, he wrote that “I wish someone would pull a Ferguson on them and take them out. I hate looking at those African monkeys at work…I enjoy arresting those thugs with their saggy pants.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/05/baton-rouge-cop-resigns-after-hes-caught-texting-desire-to-pull-a-ferguson-on-nggers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

New Michael Brown shooting witnesses describe scene

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Brown was murdered.

[boutons_deux]

Watch What Happens When Police Confront a White 'Open Carry' Gun Nut

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/gun_nut.png

A perfect example of the double standard of law enforcement wasvideotaped in Kalamazoo (http://video-embed.mlive.com/services/player/bcpid1949050400001?bctid=3621780684001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAQBxUr7k~,PsMaWpexSO1o2JBTRvXgK2F46W vPiWEP), Michigan recently. A 63-year-old white man, clad in pajamas, was waving a large gun around, threatening people and understandably scaring the bejesus out of them. Several called the cops, who showed up in a cruiser and attempted to convince the man to "put the gun down," so they could talk to him.

He was having none of it, and though what he says cannot be heard on the video, it is clear he is making some sort of a statement about his rights to openly carry this weapon. The officer acknowledges his "open carry" rights, but says the man is not allowed to cross the street. That's jaywalking. The man flips the bird to the police and toward the camera, makes masturbatory gestures, and keeps the assault rifle over his shoulder. He's having none of it. The cops keep trying to talk some sense into him, and tell him he is "scaring people." The man says, "shoot me." The cops don't.

Eventually, the cops did get this lunatic in Kalamazoo to sit down and hand over the assault rifle. They gave it back to him the next day.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/watch-what-happens-when-police-confront-white-open-carry-gun-nut

If he were black, he'd be dead

[DisAsTerBot]

so when they handle the situation without violence it is a problem as well???

But because this situation ended peacefully it speaks to the institutional racism of law enforcement?

lol alternet

[boutons_deux]

so when they handle the situation without violence it is a problem as well???

But because this situation ended peacefully it speaks to the institutional racism of law enforcement?

lol alternet

RIF, understanding is even more F.

:lol DisAsTerBot (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13365)

[Cry Havoc]

Confederacy news:

Baton Rouge cop resigns after he’s caught texting desire to ‘pull a Ferguson’ on ‘n*ggers

A police officer in Baton Rouge resigned Thursday after a local news channel revealed (http://www.wbrz.com/news/exclusive-officer-s-alleged-racially-charged-text-messages-under-investigation/) that he sent text messages in which he wished that fellow officers “would pull a Ferguson” on a “bunch of monkeys,” The Advocate reports (http://www.wbrz.com/news/exclusive-officer-s-alleged-racially-charged-text-messages-under-investigation/).

Fifteen-year-veteran Michael Elsbury resigned on Thursday after text messages he sent to a female friend were brought to the attention of his superiors. In one message, Officer Elsbury — whose patrol included the area around the historically black Southern University — wrote that blacks are “nothing but a bunch of monkeys,” and that the “only reason they have this job is the ******, ****** in them.” It is unclear what “job” he is referring to.

In another text, he wrote that “I wish someone would pull a Ferguson on them and take them out. I hate looking at those African monkeys at work…I enjoy arresting those thugs with their saggy pants.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/05/baton-rouge-cop-resigns-after-hes-caught-texting-desire-to-pull-a-ferguson-on-nggers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29




To be fair, he later retracted his statement saying he meant he wanted to "shoot Ferguson naggers".

[boutons_deux]

Ferguson PD Lies About Why It Released Videotape Of Store Robbery, Lies Some More When Confronted With The Facts

The decision to withhold the officer's name was also received poorly, but this was complicated by one baffling move -- the release of a store surveillance tape that appeared to show Brown stealing cigarillos from a local store shortly before he was shot dead.

This tape's release was purely self-motivated. Even the Dept. of Justice -- which had stepped in shortly after everything went to hell in Ferguson -- advised against it (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/doj-reportedly-police-not-to-release-robbery-video).

The only conceivable reason for the release was a post-facto "justification" of Officer Darren Wilson's decision to shoot an unarmed man several times.

But the Ferguson PD tried to cover up this motivation. Matthew Key at TheBlot has dug into the events surrounding the release of the surveillance tape and found nothing but Ferguson PD lies (http://theblot.com/exclusive-ferguson-police-chief-lied-about-michael-brown-surveillance-tape-7725621).


The chief of police for the Ferguson Police Department misled members of the media and the public when he asserted that his hand was forced in releasing surveillance footage that purported to show 18-year-old resident Michael Brown engaged in a strong-arm robbery at a convenience store minutes before he was fatally shot by a police officer.

The tape -- released on the same day the PD belatedly revealed the name of the officer who shot Brown -- was supposedly released as the result of "multiple" FOIA requests from journalists and other citizens.

“We’ve had this tape for a while, and we had to diligently review the information that was in the tape, determine if there was any other reason to keep it,” Jackson said at the press event. “We got a lot of Freedom of Information requests for this tape, and at some point it was just determined we had to release it. We didn’t have good cause, any other reason not to release it under FOI.”

But another FOIA request exposed this claim for what it is. TheBlot used a FOIA request to obtain all FOIA requests sent to the Ferguson PD. And it couldn't find a single one that specifically requested that tape.

Last month, TheBlot Magazine requested a copy of all open records requests made by members of the public — including journalists and news organizations — that specifically sought the release of the convenience store surveillance video. The logs, which were itself obtained under Missouri’s open records law, show only one journalist (http://www.scribd.com/doc/238701520/City-of-Ferguson-FOIA-Request-Log) — Joel Currier with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch — broadly requested any and all multimedia evidence “leading up to” Brown’s death on Aug. 9.

With that lie uncovered, the Ferguson Police decided to double down. A statement issued to TheBlot claimed that multiple other FOIA requests were made orally, due to heavy traffic to the city's website and email server. Possibly believable, but was anyone logging these verbal requests? And could this be where the multiple requests for the surveillance video originated? The answers are "yes," "well, actually no," and "shut up."

The first response:

City of Ferguson attorney Stephanie Karr said that “many requests were made verbally due to the fact that the City’s website and email were down at several points during that week” and that “city personnel cataloged all requests and treated them in the same manner as it would any Sunshine Law request.

So, if they were logged, there'd be some record of a bunch of people asking for the release of the surveillance tape, right? Cue backpedal #1:

Karr responded to a request for comment Saturday afternoon by denying the City of Ferguson had a log of verbal records requests.

“You assume that the Custodian of Records, somehow, logged every single question, statement or request for information, verbal or otherwise, made to every single police officer, city employee, consultant, appointed official or elected official,” Karr told TheBlot by e-mail. “That assumption is, quite simply, wrong and unrealistic.”
Actually, TheBlot didn't "assume" anything. It simply took Karr's first statement at face value. Apparently, everything about the first statement was a lie. On top of that, the Ferguson PD may have violated the Sunshine Law by not logging requests it filled or denied. TheBlot has a request in for the logged verbal FOIA requests and in the meantime notes that the PD is still withholding both the incident report for the shooting (which may not even exist (http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson-mo/)) as well as the incident report for the robbery.
Just a little more evidence pointing towards the unreliability of public officials, especially when caught in the middle of misconduct.

Not only has the PD apparently lied about its reasons for releasing the tape, but it continues to withhold information about its involvement in the shooting of Michael Brown.

Earlier, it claimed Officer Wilson suffered injuries (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/) -- possibly severe -- during his "interaction" with Brown.

Those have proven false as well, with Wilson's own post-shooting text messages saying nothing about sustaining an injury as well as citizen video showing Wilson standing around the shooting scene (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/22/cnn-source-unequivocally-disputes-report-that-ferguson-officer-suffered-broken-bone/) for several minutes without seeking medical attention.

Odds are, no one directly requested this video. The release of the video coincided with the forced release of the officer's name in a blatant attempt to provide justification for his actions. While undoubtedly true that the city's website and email server have been hit pretty hard during the past few weeks, that's no excuse for city employees to fulfill or deny FOIA requests without documentation -- especially when its track record so far shows an urge to bury and obfuscate.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140910/11342928481/ferguson-pd-lies-about-why-it-released-videotape-store-robbery-lies-some-more-when-confronted-with-facts.shtml

[Trill Clinton]

so a dentist was forced to resign because she didn't share her co-workers opinion regarding the fergosn case, sad.

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[vy65]

lol forced to resign

If she was so concerned about her career, she shouldn't be running on about this shit on her FB page.

[Trill Clinton]

some cool images from new york

http://i61.tinypic.com/w2oj9l.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2d97nzs.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

Don't shoot the poor helpless negros.

[boutons_deux]

lol forced to resign

If she was so concerned about her career, she shouldn't be running on about this shit on her FB page.

:lol typical right winger who LOVES America because of its freedoms! a political test for employment! Yes, wonderful!

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol typical right winger who LOVES America because of its freedoms! a political test for employment! Yes, wonderful!

uh, didn't the article say she resigned voluntarily?

[vy65]

lol thinking I'm a right winger who loves this country and its freedoms.

I got $5 buttons has never worked a real job, like one with a boss, in his life. Any takers?

[Trill Clinton]

CC in here trolling as usual

[vy65]

uh, didn't the article say she resigned voluntarily?

Actually it said that she was given the choice of a) not running her mouth on fb or b) leave the company.

lol "forced"

[vy65]

I'm actually calling bullshit on the whole article because, as we know, no black person actually has and holds a job. amirite guize?

[CosmicCowboy]

lol thinking I'm a right winger who loves this country and its freedoms.

I got $5 buttons has never worked a real job, like one with a boss, in his life. Any takers?

Yeah, I've got Boo milking a fake SS disability and living in a single wide with his mother.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC in here trolling as usual

Trill in here trolling as usual.

"Black Bachelorette" :lmao and her 15 minutes of fame.

[vy65]

Yeah, I've got Boo milking a fake SS disability and living in a single wide with his mother.

I was thinking trust fund hippie, but I like where your head's at.

[boutons_deux]

Actually it said that she was given the choice of a) not running her mouth on fb or b) leave the company.

lol "forced"

firing for politics ON FACEBOOK is shitty employer. fuck fascist Repugs.

employer forcing employees to give to Repug candidates, or else:

Fired foreman sues notorious coal CEO over pressure to donate to Republicans (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/12/1329247/-Fired-foreman-sues-notorious-coal-CEO-over-pressure-to-donate-to-Republicans)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/12/1329247/-Fired-foreman-sues-notorious-coal-CEO-over-pressure-to-donate-to-Republicans?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29#

REPUGnant, but that's all y'all's Repugs.

[CosmicCowboy]

"Black Batchelorette"

:lmao

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/27/misee-harris-first-black-bachelorette_n_2774673.html

Maybe Ray Rice can hook up a gig on the show now that he is out of football if she ever makes it.

[Trill Clinton]

Trill in here trolling as usual.

"Black Bachelorette" :lmao and her 15 minutes of fame.

What are you talking about? Is Xmas1997 your alias account? You kinda post like him, especially using the rofl emoticon when nothing is remotely funny.

[CosmicCowboy]

Didn't you read your own article?

[Trill Clinton]

What was so funny about it that has u rolling on the floor laughing, xmas?

[boutons_deux]

"Black Batchelorette"

:lmao

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/27/misee-harris-first-black-bachelorette_n_2774673.html

Maybe Ray Rice can hook up a gig on the show now that he is out of football if she ever makes it.

what does her TV have to do with being forced out of her job for her politics?

[CosmicCowboy]

She calls herself "The Black Batchelorette" and she has never been a batchelorette...she just wants to be and meanwhile is just racking up her 15 minutes of semi-fame...

You really DIDN'T read your own article, did you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

what does her TV have to do with being forced out of her job for her politics?

Wasn't forced.

[boutons_deux]

Wasn't forced.

"Dr. Misee Harris was given the option to stop posting about social justice on her private Facebook page or resign. She resigned."

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/black-dentist-all-white-practice-forced

aka, FORCED to shut down her political views AWAY FROM work, or FORCED to resign.

If she weren't black and woman .... ?

[vy65]

Trill and Buttons, why do you hate the First Amendment?

[CosmicCowboy]

Also, I don't see anywhere that the other Dentists were asked their side of the story or whether it even happened. Could just as easily be a publicity stunt for the "Black Batchelorette" wannabe.

[Trill Clinton]

She calls herself "The Black Batchelorette" and she has never been a batchelorette...she just wants to be and meanwhile is just racking up her 15 minutes of semi-fame...

You really DIDN'T read your own article, did you?

there was nothing to roll on the floor and laugh about the article or that.

whats the name of your business?

[Trill Clinton]

Trill and Buttons, why do you hate the First Amendment?

i don't hate it.

why do you hate the 5th amendment?

[CosmicCowboy]

there was nothing to roll on the floor and laugh about the article or that.

whats the name of your business?

Sure there was.

I could call myself "The Old White Batchelor" too and it would be every bit as valid as her calling herself the "Black Batchelorette".

I think that's pretty damn funny.

As for my business, the only ones on here that know it are the ones that need to know it. That doesn't include trolls like you.

[Trill Clinton]

Sure there was.

I could call myself "The Old White Batchelor" too and it would be every bit as valid as her calling herself the "Black Batchelorette".

I think that's pretty damn funny.

As for my business, the only ones on here that know it are the ones that need to know it. That doesn't include trolls like you.

thats kind of weird to find that funny and old white bachelor is equally unfunny. you probably think gallagher is hilarious.

[Trill Clinton]

100 bucks to anyone who knows the name of CC's rinky dink business

[TheSanityAnnex]

100 bucks to anyone who knows the name of CC's rinky dink business

Why?

[CosmicCowboy]

100 bucks to anyone who knows the name of CC's rinky dink business

Send me the $100 and I'll gladly give you a tour.

[CosmicCowboy]

Send me the $100 and I'll gladly give you a tour.

In other words put up or shut the fuck up.

[Trill Clinton]

give me the name of your business or post a pic of your business card and i will send you a cool 100 bucks.

you still mad that i make a better brisket than you using a country ass pit?http://i60.tinypic.com/300gvtv.png

[CosmicCowboy]

give me the name of your business or post a pic of your business card and i will send you a cool 100 bucks.

you still mad that i make a better brisket than you using a country ass pit?http://i60.tinypic.com/300gvtv.png

I don't give blacks credit...:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

You can send your $100 and meet me at my business M-F 6am to 5pm.

[Trill Clinton]

I don't give blacks credit...:lol


and i don't trust white men around kidshttp://i60.tinypic.com/300gvtv.png

[Trill Clinton]

You can send your $100 and meet me at my business M-F 6am to 5pm.

deal. send me the deets

[vy65]

i don't hate it.

why do you hate the 5th amendment?

Sure you do, you don't believe in the right of free association. Do you know what that means?

[CosmicCowboy]

Bring your $100 and I will buy you lunch at The Cove with it. It's only about 5 minutes from my office. It's on 1-1/2 acres downtown. No bullshit.

[Trill Clinton]

Sure you do, you don't believe in the right of free association. Do you know what that means?

nah, break it down for me in no less than 400 words

[Trill Clinton]

Bring your $100 and I will buy you lunch at The Cove with it. It's only about 5 minutes from my office. It's on 1-1/2 acres downtown. No bullshit.

keep your lunch. just the name

[CosmicCowboy]

keep your lunch. just the name

no money, no name

I didn't get to be a rich white boy being stupid...:lol

[Trill Clinton]

anyway, back to the thread

this is what ferguson and STL are dealing with. crooked, pussy ass cops and their supporters.

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[vy65]

nah, break it down for me in no less than 400 words

People have the right to form private associations to pursue business (monetary or otherwise). That's NAACP v. Alabama (as a proud black brother, I'm sure you already knew that right)? Part of that right is the ability to exclude people you don't want in the group.

Why do you want klansmen joining the ADL and why do you hate the first amendment?

[m>s]

shove a cock in it, n!gger

[Trill Clinton]

dope poem. don't read the comments, you know who, does you know what


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Wf8y_5Yn4

[vy65]

M>S

[CosmicCowboy]

http://archive.vetknowledge.com/files/images/puppy-boxer-pee-urinate-accident.jpg

:lmao @ Trill

[Trill Clinton]

why are you white supremacists in here trolling?

[m>s]

why are you white supremacists in here trolling?
stop stirring up your anti-white hatred asshole. keep on going and get a race war started, and it can only end with the complete annihilation of one of the two warring parties. i'll take my chances.

[vy65]

why are you white supremacists in here trolling?

Why do you hate civil rights?

[Trill Clinton]

stop stirring up your anti-white hatred asshole

shut up, heath. you're a wigger so i don't take your posts serious. they're pretty sometimes.

[Trill Clinton]

Why do you hate civil rights?

why do you hate the 5th amendment?

[m>s]

shut up, heath. you're a wigger so i don't take your posts serious. they're pretty sometimes.
and you're a n!gger so i don't take yours seriously either, but you repeat the same damn shit over and over and all you're going to do is get yourself eradicated if you all succeed in getting a racewar started. go right ahead.

[Trill Clinton]

stop stirring up your anti-white hatred asshole. keep on going and get a race war started, and it can only end with the complete annihilation of one of the two warring parties. i'll take my chances.

lol!

[vy65]

why do you hate the 5th amendment?

My question had nothing to do with the 5th amendment, and I don't hate it, but guessing from your comment you're a) ignorant of black history (lol NAACP v. Alabama) and b) you hate civil rights.

No wonder you spam all this Michael Brown bullshit, you must be dealing with some serious self-loathing

[m>s]

which amendment is it that says you can rob stores and beat up cops without the expectation of getting shot?

[Trill Clinton]

and you're a n!gger so i don't take yours seriously either, but you repeat the same damn shit over and over and all you're going to do is get yourself eradicated if you all succeed in getting a racewar started. go right ahead.

well the only tough white people i encounter are online. the ones i see on a everyday basis move out of my way when i walk by, head down, holds open the door for me, yes sir/no sir...real polite people. possible, pedophile's but polite. but yea, i'm ready for whatever comes to my doorstep.

[Trill Clinton]

My question had nothing to do with the 5th amendment, and I don't hate it, but guessing from your comment you're a) ignorant of black history (lol NAACP v. Alabama) and b) you hate civil rights.

No wonder you spam all this Michael Brown bullshit, you must be dealing with some serious self-loathing


and guessing from your posts in this thread, you're an insecure pimple faced geek. fucc outta here, weirdo

[vy65]

and guessing from your posts in this thread, you're an insecure pimple faced geek. fucc outta here, weirdo

Hey buddy, why you gotta make it personal?

Just tell me why you hate black people so much?

[m>s]

well the only tough white people i encounter are online. the ones i see on a everyday basis move out of my way when i walk by, head down, holds open the door for me, yes sir/no sir...real polite people. possible, pedophile's but polite. but yea, i'm ready for whatever comes to my doorstep.
you just need a good old fashioned slave whipping is all, and i'd be more than happy to give it to you. take off my belt and whip the shit out of you after i'm finished kicking your ass.

[CosmicCowboy]

and guessing from your posts in this thread, you're an insecure pimple faced geek. fucc outta here, weirdo

And this little faggot was afraid to bring his $100 and meet me in a restaurant.

[Trill Clinton]

And this little faggot was afraid to bring his $100 and meet me in a restaurant.

you haven't given me a name to your business. i don't wanna meet u for dinner, faggot

[Trill Clinton]

CC, wants to wine n dine me y'all

[CosmicCowboy]

No, I want to see your money before I show you my business.

You aren't very crafty for a black guy.

[Trill Clinton]

you just need a good old fashioned slave whipping is all, and i'd be more than happy to give it to you. take off my belt and whip the shit out of you after i'm finished kicking your ass.


and you wanna spank me:rolleyes

i got one white supremacist wigger wanting to spank me and another over the hill white supremacist offering me up a dinner. inherently gay.

[m>s]

for a supposed coon nationalist you sure don't know much about the history of your people getting lashings for running their mouths just like you are right now boy

[boutons_deux]

Missouri teenager in medically-induced coma after cop uses Taser on him

The FBI is investigating the police department in Independence, Missouri for alleged use of excessive force following an incident that resulted in a 17-year-old boy requiring a medically-induced coma to help treat injuries to his brain,

Another witness, Michelle Baker, said she thought Masters’ head hit the concrete during the altercation. Multiple witnesses stated that Masters had to be brought back to life by emergency crews before being hospitalized.

“The cop put his foot on his back and moved it back and forth like he was putting a cigarette out and asked him, ‘Are you ready to get up now?’” Baker told KCTV. “You could tell the kid was going into convulsions.”

Independence police were sued in July 2007 after they mistakenly pulled over a woman who was five months pregnant and forced her to lie face down (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WaterCooler/story?id=3774390) on the side of a highway. At the time, they believed the woman was behind the theft of vehicles from a local JC Penney parking lot.

KCTV reported that a local judge dismissed the suit, saying the officers had “sovereign immunity.”

?http://www.rawstory.com/rs/blog/2014/09/15/missouri-teenager-in-medically-induced-coma-after-cop-uses-taser-on-him/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

ah, the old Tricky Dick Nixon defense, "We police are the law, so whatever we do is by definition not illegal"

[boutons_deux]

grand jury has 4 more months, prosecutor and FPD need more time to create a wall of lies around Wilson.

[Winehole23]

Related open carry protest in Texas:

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/armed-demonstrators-march-through-south-dallas-to-protest-police-shootings.html/

[boutons_deux]

http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/large/public/keith_knight_5.png

[Trill Clinton]

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[TheSanityAnnex]

512647624071995392please share this. All of the information Shaun King stole and tried to pass off as his own work.

:lmao http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/28/mike-brown-shooting-part-1-what-the-physical-evidence-reveals-along-with-enhanced-audio-transcription-of-eye-witness/


:lmao