Roster - Remaining Spots

[ceperez]

Pretty much every Spurs prospect come to SA at some point every off-season. Hanga and Bertans have been each of the last four years. Richards used to come before he and the team seemingly had a fall out. LJC was in Vegas last off-season, even though he didn't play in the summer league. Dangubic was in SA last off-season, and I'm sure he'll be in some time in during the summer (probably when he gets cut from the national team). The Spurs have practices and meetings with them to come up with a gameplan for the following year. It's not a strange thing at all. In fact, if the Spurs decide to stash Milutinov, he and the Spurs have to sign a release so that he cap hold goes away. Makes sense to do that while he's in SA.

I guess I was just comparing the behavior with another center (i.e. Splitter), that never showed up.

Anyway, just watching this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gx1pD3bHrk

Not a lot of lift, but he seems to be a serviceable big. Seems much quicker than Splitter. Also passes well from different angles.

A Spurs center must know how to pass... Baynes could never figure this one out.

[Chinook]

I guess I was just comparing the behavior with another center (i.e. Splitter), that never showed up.

Anyway, just watching this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gx1pD3bHrk

Not a lot of lift, but he seems to be a serviceable big. Seems much quicker than Splitter. Also passes well from different angles.

Do you know that Splitter didn't show up? He grew up a huge fan of Duncan, so I doubt that he was giving the team the cold shoulder. Mind you, Tiago was already an established player in Europe when he got drafted. Like Manu in 1999, he wasn't a star over there like he would eventually be, but he was making good money and was under a long-term contract. I don't think Milutinov is in the same boat.

[BD24]

Milutinov moves much better than I thought he would. I was expecting him to move like his feet were in molasses. There is also the tweet that he has put on 25 pounds since this video, if thats true thats a really good sign. That would point to him having some great work ethic, if we are assuming most of that weight is muscle he has been working his butt off. He could be nba ready sooner than we thought.

Although I was angry with the pick at the time this makes me a bit more hopeful that he could pan out as a semi decent roll player.

[BillMc]

Do you know that Splitter didn't show up? He grew up a huge fan of Duncan, so I doubt that he was giving the team the cold shoulder. Mind you, Tiago was already an established player in Europe when he got drafted. Like Manu in 1999, he wasn't a star over there like he would eventually be, but he was making good money and was under a long-term contract. I don't think Milutinov is in the same boat.

He'd be a cheaper 5th big than Bonner with (hopefully) more future. But they may not want him wasting away on the bench, when he could get regular minutes in Europe

[SpursSerb]

Milutinov is not even playing in the summer league. He will be with the national team all summer. Considering that it's really hard to expect him in the spurs jersey next season.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I wonder if being around Tony and Boris might bring the best out of Seraphin? He has shown flashes of potential, especially a couple of years ago for about 20 games near then end of the season. Fallback position for the minimum?

[ceperez]

Milutinov moves much better than I thought he would. I was expecting him to move like his feet were in molasses. There is also the tweet that he has put on 25 pounds since this video, if thats true thats a really good sign. That would point to him having some great work ethic, if we are assuming most of that weight is muscle he has been working his butt off. He could be nba ready sooner than we thought.

Although I was angry with the pick at the time this makes me a bit more hopeful that he could pan out as a semi decent roll player.

Agree.... he is quicker that I had thought he would be.

He isn't going to be a dominating center, but he looks like he will be good enough as a role player. Splitter also doesn't look impressive, but had enough quickness to be effective enough.

The question here is, will the Spurs find a center (actually they need 2 of them) to fill in the gap.

[Chinook]

Milutinov is not even playing in the summer league. He will be with the national team all summer. Considering that it's really hard to expect him in the spurs jersey next season.

I mean, that's not the rarest thing in the world. He had NT obligations first, and the Spurs aren't going to disrupt those without even knowing if they want him to come over. But I don't think that will be a determining factor. He may possibly be the best fourth or fifth big they can find for the money. If that's the case, they may bring him over. Part of this visit will be determining if they think he can help this season and if being overseas will develop him as much as being in the d-league. This isn't a normal year where the Spurs don't have the roster spot to carry a project.

[ceperez]

I wonder if being around Tony and Boris might bring the best out of Seraphin? He has shown flashes of potential, especially a couple of years ago for about 20 games near then end of the season. Fallback position for the minimum?

Seraphin isn't going to take the minimum.
He isn't that tall.
He doesn't know how to pass.
He is unreliable taking a mid-range shot.
He isn't very creating shooting down at the low post.

I say pass.

[Darkwaters]

He'd be a cheaper 5th big than Bonner with (hopefully) more future. But they may not want him wasting away on the bench, when he could get regular minutes in Europe

Bonner has a ton of value to this team as a fifth big. His corporate knowledge is immense and hes proven that hes more than capable of riding the bench until needed and stepping in at a moment's notice. With the team scrambling for any cheap depth I'm not sure how you don't sign Bonner to a one year minimum deal.

[Beaverfuzz]

FUCK JEREMY LIN!

[ceperez]

Bonner has a ton of value to this team as a fifth big. His corporate knowledge is immense and hes proven that hes more than capable of riding the bench until needed and stepping in at a moment's notice. With the team scrambling for any cheap depth I'm not sure how you don't sign Bonner to a one year minimum deal.

I am all for Bonner signing up with a similar deal as last year. What a bargain, I guy that can spread the floor and provide knowledge on the floor.

He's coming back, I guarantee it!

[Chinook]

Bonner has a ton of value to this team as a fifth big. His corporate knowledge is immense and hes proven that hes more than capable of riding the bench until needed and stepping in at a moment's notice. With the team scrambling for any cheap depth I'm not sure how you don't sign Bonner to a one year minimum deal.

Well first because the Spurs don't even have a fourth big yet. Bonner as a rotation player is disastrous. Even if the Spurs sign West, Bonner shouldn't be the fifth big, as that is ideally suited for a fringe-rotation center (like Udoh or Withey) as opposed to a four. The Spurs have plenty of options at PF. If the team secures a legitimate center to back up Duncan, Bonner makes sense. But he has to be the absolute lowest priority now. Maybe even behind Ayres.

[Mr. Body]

I'm feeling Milutinov may be the guy as backup C, especially if they pick up West. Sooner than they'd like, maybe, but he has a lot of promising tools.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Seraphin isn't going to take the minimum.
He isn't that tall.
He doesn't know how to pass.
He is unreliable taking a mid-range shot.
He isn't very creating shooting down at the low post.

I say pass.

Last resort only then. :)

I'm also intrigued by what the Spurs could make of Casspi.

And I agree with those who'd like to keep CoJo if Manu retires. I'd like to keep him whatever happens, but we can't afford him in a lot of scenarios from what I've read.

[SpursSerb]

I mean, that's not the rarest thing in the world. He had NT obligations first, and the Spurs aren't going to disrupt those without even knowing if they want him to come over. But I don't think that will be a determining factor. He may possibly be the best fourth or fifth big they can find for the money. If that's the case, they may bring him over. Part of this visit will be determining if they think he can help this season and if being overseas will develop him as much as being in the d-league. This isn't a normal year where the Spurs don't have the roster spot to carry a project.

We'll see. He is coming back in Belgrade on 12th and then he will decide with Partizans management his future. H

[100%duncan]

Bonner should just go to the FO tbh. Sign west and ellington for vet mins. Get milutinov to play 5th big. Resign manu. Keep patty.

TD/Milutinov
LMA/West/Bobo
Kawhi/KA/ellington
DG/Manu
TP/Mills/Cojo

[ceperez]

Last resort only then. :)

I'm also intrigued by what the Spurs could make of Casspi.

And I agree with those who'd like to keep CoJo if Manu retires. I'd like to keep him whatever happens, but we can't afford him in a lot of scenarios from what I've read.

Casspi has got length and can shoot.
Unfortunately, he isn't going to take the minimum. Not expecting him in the team.

Cojo... Spurs can't afford him. He's good as gone. Further, he never knows how to set up the offense after 3 years with the Spurs.

I'll take my chances with Anderson setting up the offense over CoJo.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Bonner has a ton of value to this team as a fifth big. His corporate knowledge is immense and hes proven that hes more than capable of riding the bench until needed and stepping in at a moment's notice. With the team scrambling for any cheap depth I'm not sure how you don't sign Bonner to a one year minimum deal.

I'm sure he will be. He's also clearly a great locker room guy, and kinda has "player mascot" status. If he's not playing I hope he's a development coach.

[SpursFan86]

Can you imagine what this place would be like if the Spurs just re-sign Bonner and Ayres to be the 4th and 5th bigs? :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

There Will Be Blood :lmao

[ceperez]

Bonner should just go to the FO tbh. Sign west and ellington for vet mins. Get milutinov to play 5th big. Resign manu. Keep patty.

TD/Milutinov
LMA/West/Bobo
Kawhi/KA
DG/Manu
TP/Mills/Cojo

I don't know about a 20 year old being the backup center. From the looks of it, Spurs aren't playing with a center this year.

Here is what I think is likely this year:

Parker / Mills
Green/ Ginobili / Eddie
Leonard / Anderson
Aldridge / Diaw
Duncan / West / Bonner

The team's problem is lack of centers and the loss of 3 point shooting.

I would try to get Rashard Lewis if he's healthy.

Lalanne may have some value but probably at 13th man.

Jeremy Lin if he'll sign the minimum and Manu isn't available.

[CGD]

Can you imagine what this place would be like if the Spurs just re-sign Bonner and Ayres to be the 4th and 5th bigs? :lol

And that would confirm the Spursfan spoiled brat narrative, in a summer that saw them sign two of the top 3 free agents in the market, and get a hell of a deal on the top 3D guy available.

[ceperez]

Can you imagine what this place would be like if the Spurs just re-sign Bonner and Ayres to be the 4th and 5th bigs? :lol

I would hate to see Ayres coming back. However, no other team seems to be interested in his services and 'he's gotten over himself'. So I wouldn't be surprised!

[100%duncan]

I don't know about a 20 year old being the backup center. From the looks of it, Spurs aren't playing with a center this year.

Here is what I think is likely this year:

Parker / Mills
Green/ Ginobili / Eddie
Leonard / Anderson
Aldridge / Diaw
Duncan / West / Bonner

The team's problem is lack of centers and the loss of 3 point shooting.

I would try to get Rashard Lewis if he's healthy.

Lalanne may have some value but probably at 13th man.

Jeremy Lin if he'll sign the minimum and Manu isn't available.

Why? It's a low risk high reward type of move since we cant really sign any big or no one would come and sit in the bemch for the vet min. Again assuming Bonner goes into the FO. Gotta start em young as long as his body is nba ready. Hes got the summer to improve

[Chinook]

Easily the most compelling roster question at this point is Joseph's status. The Spurs are paying a lot in terms of cap space to hold onto his rights. Of course, unless Joseph signs his QO (would say that's about 20-percent likely if he and team don't have a plan in place for a different contract), the Spurs can free up that space any time they want. If Joseph accepts his QO he gets a de-facto no-trade clause for next season, but the Spurs gain $2 Million in cap space. The team would retain his Bird rights to next off-season if they can't agree to a trade for him before then.

So what's the holdup? My guess is that both the Spurs and Joseph only want their partnership to continue if Cory has a clear spot in the rotation. The Spurs probably aren't willing to commit $3-5 Million on a third-string PG, and Joseph doesn't want to toil on the bench forever, despite being a good soldier about it so far. But as Harlem said, the backup SG spot is potentially available, and while Cory at 6-3 is undersized in many matchups, he can hold his own in most because of his solid defensive skills. The Spurs would also like to pair Patty with a play-maker/penetrator. Joseph can do that WAY better than most folks on this board give him credit for. There are teams like Golden State against which such a small set of backup guards would struggle. But that can be resolved by bringing in a third-string wing like Ellington. I think Cory would be willing to ink a long-term deal if he was told he was going to step into Manu's shoes with the goal being that he would get a crack at Tony's spot in a few years.

Obviously Tim eats first, and he's given up so much food already. But I came into this off-season thinking that keeping Cory was at the top of the optional list. I'd much rather keep Joseph and figure out the fourth-big issue later, provided the money is the same. I think holding onto Cojo will go a long way to keeping the Spurs relevant beyond next season.

[ceperez]

Why? It's a low risk high reward type of move since we cant really sign any big or no one would come and sit in the bemch for the vet min. Again assuming Bonner goes into the FO. Gotta start em young as long as his body is nba ready. Hes got the summer to improve

The Spurs have never been known for playing rookies. I would like them to develop some young talent. Maybe this is the year when the Spurs actually drafted on need. Multinov and Lalanne are both centers, so who knows if they both are going to be in this year's roster.

[ceperez]

Easily the most compelling roster question at this point is Joseph's status. The Spurs are paying a lot in terms of cap space to hold onto his rights. Of course, unless Joseph signs his QO (would say that's about 20-percent likely if he and team don't have a plan in place for a different contract), the Spurs can free up that space any time they want. If Joseph accepts his QO he gets a de-facto no-trade clause for next season, but the Spurs gain $2 Million in cap space. The team would retain his Bird rights to next off-season if they can't agree to a trade for him before then.

So what's the holdup? My guess is that both the Spurs and Joseph only want their partnership to continue if Cory has a clear spot in the rotation. The Spurs probably aren't willing to commit $3-5 Million on a third-string PG, and Joseph doesn't want to toil on the bench forever, despite being a good soldier about it so far. But as Harlem said, the backup SG spot is potentially available, and while Cory at 6-3 is undersized in many matchups, he can hold his own in most because of his solid defensive skills. The Spurs would also like to pair Patty with a play-maker/penetrator. Joseph can do that WAY better than most folks on this board give him credit for. There are teams like Golden State against which such a small set of backup guards would struggle. But that can be resolved by bringing in a third-string wing like Ellington. I think Cory would be willing to ink a long-term deal if he was told he was going to step into Manu's shoes with the goal being that he would get a crack at Tony's spot in a few years.

Obviously Tim eats first, and he's given up so much food already. But I came into this off-season thinking that keeping Cory was at the top of the optional list. I'd much rather keep Joseph and figure out the fourth-big issue later, provided the money is the same. I think holding onto Cojo will go a long way to keeping the Spurs relevant beyond next season.

I like CoJo's worth ethic and defensive skills. I just don't think it is good enough. He doesn't know how to orchestrate the offense. He just doesn't get it. It is beyond his IQ. He just can't see, he's practically blind!

Spurs should just ditch the investment and focus instead of relying on Anderson.

The Spus just need an additional PG stopper like say a KJ McDaniels. Someone with enough quickness and length to bother a Steven Curry type player.

[bluebellmaniac]

Yes, he was traded to the Lakers (will be finalized after the moratorium just like the Splitter trade), and the impending buyout is obvious. That situation is going to turn toxic by December.

If these things come to fruition (and the S&T thing for Splitter), Chinook will be quite the prophet.

As it has been prophesized, so let it be...

[BillMc]

Remind me who moved into the stating line up when Kawhi was out all that time with his hand last season? Was it Marco? Or Boris? I ask as I imagine our new roster dealing with injuries...

[BD24]

Bonner should just go to the FO tbh. Sign west and ellington for vet mins. Get milutinov to play 5th big. Resign manu. Keep patty.

TD/Milutinov
LMA/West/Bobo
Kawhi/KA/ellington
DG/Manu
TP/Mills/Cojo
I really like this lineup and it seems realisitc. Except for maybe Cojo coming back, I don't think that can really happen. Ellington is a 2 not a 3 btw. He doesn't have the size to play the 3, only 6'4 I believe.

[Raven]

dream lineup:

Parker/Cojo
Green/Mills/Ginobili
Leonard/Anderson/LJC
Aldridge/West/Bonner
Duncan/Diaw

:tu

[tholdren]

I hated the Joseph pick when SA took him. I think he is a valuable piece moving forward. Had pop given him more PT in the playoffs over Parker, SA would have won the LA series. He's a hard worker, and isn't afraid of getting in the lane. His movements aren't as fluid as Tony's, but he is effective, understands the system, and comes with ZERO off-the-court issues. I really don't see a better fit for a backup PG. Patty is a 2 from my perspective; who is also essential to SA success.

[BD24]

Remind me who moved into the stating line up when Kawhi was out all that time with his hand last season? Was it Marco? Or Boris? I ask as I imagine our new roster dealing with injuries...
Believe it was Marco unfourtanetly. We could use a good defensive 3 off the bench. Not really any available in our price range though is the problem.

[BD24]

I hated the Joseph pick when SA took him. I think he is a valuable piece moving forward. Had pop given him more PT in the playoffs over Parker, SA would have won the LA series. He's a hard worker, and isn't afraid of getting in the lane. His movements aren't as fluid as Tony's, but he is effective, understands the system, and comes with ZERO off-the-court issues. I really don't see a better fit for a backup PG. Patty is a 2 from my perspective; who is also essential to SA success.
Only problem I have with this is that I am assuming you are suggesting having Patty and Cojo on the court at the same time? If memory serves me correctly that lineup didn't workout to well last year, just too small.

[Chinook]

Remind me who moved into the stating line up when Kawhi was out all that time with his hand last season? Was it Marco? Or Boris? I ask as I imagine our new roster dealing with injuries...


Believe it was Marco unfourtanetly. We could use a good defensive 3 off the bench. Not really any available in our price range though is the problem.

I feel like it's going to be LJC this season his defensive skills seem more suited to being a four (at least that was the case last time I saw him) but he has pretty good agility plus the length to help compensate against quicker players. He also seems to have really good anticipation when contesting shots, both as a help defender and on the move. I think he'll be a fine defensive forward. Issue with him is that his offensive game was pretty much that of a PF. He has decent handles and can shoot from 18 feet, but he's not running PnRs or spacing the floor unless he's improved a ton over the last couple years. As a fill-in for Kawhi, that's not the worst thing in the world, as Leonard will spend a lot more time on the block next season and LMA can spread the floor. But I can't see him being a real option until he can hit threes reliably. Think Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

[Raven]

keeping cory is the most important thing now. Losing would essentialy tank the rebuild while contending mantra.

[Raven]

Believe it was Marco unfourtanetly. We could use a good defensive 3 off the bench. Not really any available in our price range though is the problem.

what do you mean unfortunately, we sucked ass when that happened, so you should be glad that this will not happen again

[BD24]

what do you mean unfortunately, we sucked ass when that happened, so you should be glad that this will not happen again
You misinterpreted my post sir. I meant unfourtanetly as in Marco should have never started, it was painful watching players blow by him because he has awful lateral quickness.

[BD24]

I feel like it's going to be LJC this season his defensive skills seem more suited to being a four (at least that was the case last time I saw him) but he has pretty good agility plus the length to help compensate against quicker players. He also seems to have really good anticipation when contesting shots, both as a help defender and on the move. I think he'll be a fine defensive forward. Issue with him is that his offensive game was pretty much that of a PF. He has decent handles and can shoot from 18 feet, but he's not running PnRs or spacing the floor unless he's improved a ton over the last couple years. As a fill-in for Kawhi, that's not the worst thing in the world, as Leonard will spend a lot more time on the block next season and LMA can spread the floor. But I can't see him being a real option until he can hit threes reliably. Think Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.
I could live with with him as the backup, have they said anything about him coming over this year yet? I know he is playing in SL, but haven't heard much about what happens after that. I am excited to get a look at him in the sl though.

[lmbebo]

Are spurs limited by the CAP on signing LJC? I mean he has a rookie contract he would get, so would spurs be able to sign him if they are over the cap?

[Drom John]

Bryce Cotton signed a two year non-guaranteed deal with the Jazz near the end of the season.

[Chinook]

I could live with with him as the backup, have they said anything about him coming over this year yet? I know he is playing in SL, but haven't heard much about what happens after that. I am excited to get a look at him in the sl though.


Are spurs limited by the CAP on signing LJC? I mean he has a rookie contract he would get, so would spurs be able to sign him if they are over the cap?

We've gone over this a couple of times, but the Spurs are currently carrying a cap hold of about $800k on their cap (in lieu of a $525 roster charge) for LJC. The only way they can get that hold removed is to have him sign a form promising to not come over until next summer. That will NOT happen unless something extreme occurs. This is the final year that LJC is guaranteed two seasons of salary under the rookie scale. He's not like Splitter or Mirotic in that he stands to get more as a free agent if he waits. He will get a min contract or even worse, a contract like Covington has in Philly where he's locked up cheap for years. Since he has the unilateral right to accept his tender can come over, that's what he's going to do.

So any talk about him having to impress in the summer league to keep a spot or making a roster projection without him in it is incorrect. There's a 99-percent chance LJC is a Spur come October. The team is already accounting for that financially. That being said, if the Spurs use Bird rights to reup Green and Leonard and go over the cap, they'll still able to get LJC.

[BillMc]

We've gone over this a couple of times, but the Spurs are currently carrying a cap hold of about $800k on their cap (in lieu of a $525 roster charge) for LJC. The only way they can get that hold removed is to have him sign a form promising to not come over until next summer. That will NOT happen unless something extreme occurs. This is the final year that LJC is guaranteed two seasons of salary under the rookie scale. He's not like Splitter or Mirotic in that he stands to get more as a free agent if he waits. He will get a min contract or even worse, a contract like Covington has in Philly where he's locked up cheap for years. Since he has the unilateral right to accept his tender can come over, that's what he's going to do.

So any talk about him having to impress in the summer league to keep a spot or making a roster projection without him in it is incorrect. There's a 99-percent chance LJC is a Spur come October. The team is already accounting for that financially.

Thanks for the clarification (again) Chinook. So if LJC is destined to be on the roster, the next question is - is he any good? Your previous posts imply promise, others say he was a wasted pick. I personally have no idea. I've never seen him play even on a youtube vid. (Yeah, I know easy to rectify that situation). No matter what, he's taking a roster slot it seems.

[Dre_7]

Bonner is okay with me, but please do not bring back Ayers!

[Texas_Ranger]

Spurs need a shooter. Would be great if he's a SF. I don't really care if they get West cause Tim/LMA/Diaw play most of the time in the playoffs. Sign Bonner for minimum and a defensive center. Just don't bring back Errors, he's a waste of space. I'd rather have Reggie Williams on the team than that piece of shit.

[ceperez]

We've gone over this a couple of times, but the Spurs are currently carrying a cap hold of about $800k on their cap (in lieu of a $525 roster charge) for LJC. The only way they can get that hold removed is to have him sign a form promising to not come over until next summer. That will NOT happen unless something extreme occurs. This is the final year that LJC is guaranteed two seasons of salary under the rookie scale. He's not like Splitter or Mirotic in that he stands to get more as a free agent if he waits. He will get a min contract or even worse, a contract like Covington has in Philly where he's locked up cheap for years. Since he has the unilateral right to accept his tender can come over, that's what he's going to do.

So any talk about him having to impress in the summer league to keep a spot or making a roster projection without him in it is incorrect. There's a 99-percent chance LJC is a Spur come October. The team is already accounting for that financially. That being said, if the Spurs use Bird rights to reup Green and Leonard and go over the cap, they'll still able to get LJC.

Hard to find any videos of him post draft, but here's one 2015:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2usAwcE6HZk see #1 highlight... appears to have the spring.

[RodNIc91]

We've gone over this a couple of times, but the Spurs are currently carrying a cap hold of about $800k on their cap (in lieu of a $525 roster charge) for LJC. The only way they can get that hold removed is to have him sign a form promising to not come over until next summer. That will NOT happen unless something extreme occurs. This is the final year that LJC is guaranteed two seasons of salary under the rookie scale. He's not like Splitter or Mirotic in that he stands to get more as a free agent if he waits. He will get a min contract or even worse, a contract like Covington has in Philly where he's locked up cheap for years. Since he has the unilateral right to accept his tender can come over, that's what he's going to do.

So any talk about him having to impress in the summer league to keep a spot or making a roster projection without him in it is incorrect. There's a 99-percent chance LJC is a Spur come October. The team is already accounting for that financially. That being said, if the Spurs use Bird rights to reup Green and Leonard and go over the cap, they'll still able to get LJC.

Super clear post! Thanks for the clarification

[BillMc]

Hard to find any videos of him post draft, but here's one 2015:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2usAwcE6HZk see #1 highlight... appears to have the spring.

Cheers! :bobo

[djohn14]

CoJo isn't that big of a difference maker. We will ned to aquire a few more pieces, sure but Cory Joseph dosen't stand between us and a title.

[Mr. Body]

We've gone over this a couple of times, but the Spurs are currently carrying a cap hold of about $800k on their cap (in lieu of a $525 roster charge) for LJC. The only way they can get that hold removed is to have him sign a form promising to not come over until next summer. That will NOT happen unless something extreme occurs. This is the final year that LJC is guaranteed two seasons of salary under the rookie scale. He's not like Splitter or Mirotic in that he stands to get more as a free agent if he waits. He will get a min contract or even worse, a contract like Covington has in Philly where he's locked up cheap for years. Since he has the unilateral right to accept his tender can come over, that's what he's going to do.

So any talk about him having to impress in the summer league to keep a spot or making a roster projection without him in it is incorrect. There's a 99-percent chance LJC is a Spur come October. The team is already accounting for that financially. That being said, if the Spurs use Bird rights to reup Green and Leonard and go over the cap, they'll still able to get LJC.

Is this like how you were 99% sure the Celtics were drafting for the Spurs this year and were getting Tiago Splitter?

[Chinook]

Is this like how you were 99% sure the Celtics were drafting for the Spurs this year and were getting Tiago Splitter?

Shitty attempt at a shot. No one ever said the Celtics WERE drafting for the Spurs. I was simply speculating that they might have been. I wish they had been in retrospect, since at least the return would have been better.

This is what I said regarding Rozier:


I do wonder if Boston drafted Rozier because that's who the Spurs wanted for Splitter. It seems possible to me. He's a short SG, but he's a defensive specialist, kinda like an Avery Bradley. Would be great to put next to Manu and Anderson.
Anyway, no. This isn't speculation. LJC has to sign this season to get guaranteed money. There's no way he won't accept the offer provided the Spurs don't find some way to convince him that they'll make it financially worth his while. He's already given them two years of potential NBA salary. The Spurs cannot force him to go back to Europe (they can never force any player they draft to do so). So acting like he has to convince them to bring him over is not correct.

[Big P]

Jason Quick: Source says Butler can sign with the Blazers if he wants, but is in no hurry to make a decision

Free Agency, Rasual Butler, Portland Trail Blazers

Jason Quick: Butler also has interest from the Spurs and Warriors among other teams, source says

Free Agency, Rasual Butler, Golden State Warriors, Portland Trail Blazers, San Antonio Spurs

[bluebellmaniac]

Shitty attempt at a shot. No one ever said the Celtics WERE drafting for the Spurs. I was simply speculating that they might have been. I wish they had been in retrospect, since at least the return would have been better.

This is what I said regarding Rozier:


Anyway, no. This isn't speculation. LJC has to sign this season to get guaranteed money. There's no way he won't accept the offer provided the Spurs don't find some way to convince him that they'll make it financially worth his while. He's already given them two years of potential NBA salary. The Spurs cannot force him to go back to Europe (they can never force any player they draft to do so). So acting like he has to convince them to bring him over is not correct.

Spurs could renounce their rights to him? I think that's an option if he is horrible. Not that it will happen, but it seems like an all or nothing situation at this point.

[callo1]

Cojo needs to stay...that kid is one hell of a defender, and his shot has greatly improved.

[Chinook]

Spurs could renounce their rights to him? I think that's an option if he is horrible. Not that it will happen, but it seems like an all or nothing situation at this point.

Yes. But that doesn't force LJC back to Europe. It just means he has to fight for a roster spot. And it's horrible form for a team to do that, ESPECIALLY after he agreed to forgo that salary for two years to help the team. I mean, when was the last time any team did that?

[dbestpro]

As pointed out earlier CoJo is over priced for a third string PG, when we have no backup center on the roster.

[callo1]

As pointed out earlier CoJo is over priced for a third string PG, when we have no backup center on the roster.

I understand that but Parker = oft injured, Manu = oft injured, and the league is a wing and point guard league, excluding Memphis as far as contenders in the West goes.

[callo1]

Ayers needs to go.

[benefactor]

Jason Quick: Source says Butler can sign with the Blazers if he wants, but is in no hurry to make a decision

Free Agency, Rasual Butler, Portland Trail Blazers

Jason Quick: Butler also has interest from the Spurs and Warriors among other teams, source says

Free Agency, Rasual Butler, Golden State Warriors, Portland Trail Blazers, San Antonio Spurs
Rasual Butler is still in the league?

[NASpurs]

As things stand right now, CoJo is the backup point guard and Patty is the backup off guard.

[callo1]

As things stand right now, CoJo is the backup point guard and Patty is the backup off guard.

Agreed

[callo1]

Thabeet as a next to last option. TD could probably work wonders with the kid.

[8FOR!3]

Rasual Butler is still in the league?

Had his best season in 5 years last year, averaged almost 8 points a game. He can still shoot. Idk if there's anything left to milk out of a guy who's 36 though.

[HarlemHeat37]

Had his best season in 5 years last year, averaged almost 8 points a game. He can still shoot. Idk if there's anything left to milk out of a guy who's 36 though.

I don't want any washed up player, but if the Spurs are going to take one of them, I'll take Rasual over Caron Butler or Prince..

[callo1]

My concern is not having big that shows on PiR. Timmy did a better than usual job last year, but Tiago (when healthy) had been the Spurs best big in showing and getting back.

[BillMc]

While irrelevant this year, I kid you not that we should target re-signing Tiago next year when he's a free agent. He doesn't seem to harbor ill will (as much as that can be judged by his Twitter account).

[DPG21920]

I would not be surprised at all to see Splitter back. ATL would not have had the money for a FA more worthwhile than Tiago so it made sense. I bet Tiago is back.

[Plum Island]

I would not be surprised at all to see Splitter back. ATL would not have had the money for a FA more worthwhile than Tiago so it made sense. I bet Tiago is back.
Intriguing... Can you clarify the how and when of such a thing maybe taking place?

[SpursFan86]

I'm interested to see if LJC has lost any mobility/athleticism after tearing his ACL (that's the injury he suffered, right?). Has anyone heard anything regarding how he bounced back from that?

And Rasual Butler wouldn't be terrible...would probably prefer both Ellington and Alan Anderson though.

[BillMc]

I would not be surprised at all to see Splitter back. ATL would not have had the money for a FA more worthwhile than Tiago so it made sense. I bet Tiago is back.

You and me both! :bobo

[BillMc]

Intriguing... Can you clarify the how and when of such a thing maybe taking place?

It's simple, next time he's a free agent. He has 2 years more on his contract, but he might have a player option (don't know). If so, he could exercise it and become a free agent as soon as next year.

EDIT: None of the contract info I've seen mention an option. So Tiago might be under contract until summer of 2017.

[Plum Island]

It's simple, next time he's a free agent. He has 2 years more on his contract, but he might have a player option (don't know). If so, he could exercise it and become a free agent as soon as next year.

EDIT: None of the contract info I've seen mention an option. So Tiago might be under contract until summer of 2017.
Thank you. That's what I figured and was wondering if he was alluding to some... alternative.

[ceperez]

As things stand right now, CoJo is the backup point guard and Patty is the backup off guard.

Nope... qualifying offer rescinded.

Cojo is gone.

[ducks]

Chris Broussard
Chris Broussard – Verified account ‏@Chris_Broussard

With QO withdrawn, newly unrestricted FA Cory Joseph is hot topic. SA didn't renounce CJ. Some think SA may bring back Pop favorite later

[Darkwaters]

While irrelevant this year, I kid you not that we should target re-signing Tiago next year when he's a free agent. He doesn't seem to harbor ill will (as much as that can be judged by his Twitter account).

Tiago Elliott?

[NASpurs]

Nope... qualifying offer rescinded.

Cojo is gone.

He could still be back.

[ceperez]

He could still be back.

Sure... if he signs for the vet. minimum.

Will happen if he doesn't get any offers elsewhere. Kind of like what happened to Baynes last year.

[GSH]

He will get a min contract or even worse, a contract like Covington has in Philly where he's locked up cheap for years.

And it's horrible form for a team to do that, ESPECIALLY after he agreed to forgo that salary for two years to help the team. I mean, when was the last time any team did that?

You know, if all he could get is a min contract, then from a strictly practical point of view, the Spurs should probably cut him loose.
If he's given up guaranteed money to help the team (and I have to basis for doubting you) then, yeah, it would be crappy of the team to do that. It will say a lot about the organization (again) if they take a hit at a critical time. And I'm sure they will, unless there is some other way to make him whole.

[SpursFan86]

Joseph will definitely get offers from other teams. Toronto specifically has already expressed interest in him.

[benfti]

how do you get posts to appear in the think tank, I started a thread on a dude I think we might have some interest in, same guy who flagged with me our interest in Aron Baynes I posted a thread on him but its still not showing?

Anyway, Ryan Broekhoff, played last season in Turkey, has come over to play for Denver in SL, he is a shooter, a 6'7 wing. He was the starting 2 guard for the Australian National team. Can play small forward. Can shoot it at a very good clip.

For me he is a cheap Belli replacement. Time with the Boomers means familiarity with our system yada yada...

[Mr Bones]

Do you know whose +/- numbers were very similar David West's (actually slightly better)? Luis Scola!

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415IND.HTM

Scola thread!

Would this make Manu happy?

[benefactor]

how do you get posts to appear in the think tank, I started a thread on a dude I think we might have some interest in, same guy who flagged with me our interest in Aron Baynes I posted a thread on him but its still not showing?

Anyway, Ryan Broekhoff, played last season in Turkey, has come over to play for Denver in SL, he is a shooter, a 6'7 wing. He was the starting 2 guard for the Australian National team. Can play small forward. Can shoot it at a very good clip.

For me he is a cheap Belli replacement. Time with the Boomers means familiarity with our system yada yada...
Chinook approves them tbh.

[ViceCity86]

Doubt if Danny's cousin Gerald Green can be had,but he's the best player that's possibly available,other than David West.Fills a sore spot on the roster.

[Chinook]

What's interesting is that we may see a few more lower-tier (not bottom tier) free agents sign below-market deals this season with the hope of striking big in the bonanza of next summer. I can see Gerald Green being one of those people. Dude knows that a good system can make a guy look a lot better than he really is (the first year in Phoenix). I could totally see him signing on the with the Spurs if they'll have him in hopes of getting a bounce in his stock playing the same system that showcased his cousin. Thinking guys like Greg Smith, Tyler Hansbrough, Darrel Arthur, Jeff Taylor, Udoh, Thornton, Casspi and Reggie Evans. Some of those guys will get bigger offers, but the young ones have a chance to get a ton more if they have a great season. Hell, they can have a mediocre season like Baynes did and still get paid.

[TD 21]

I would not be surprised at all to see Splitter back. ATL would not have had the money for a FA more worthwhile than Tiago so it made sense. I bet Tiago is back.

Green even mentioned on Twitter that, to paraphrase, he wouldn't be surprised to see him back someday.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've let him know they want him back when his contract is up in two years. The problem is that second season, if Duncan retires after this one.

Off the top of my head, Jefferson, Mozgov and Whiteside, will be the best free agent C's next year. Jefferson could be in play, but he's not a good fit and the other two are likely to re sign with their respective teams. It wouldn't surprise me if they turn to Hibbert, who'd probably love to play here, even with Duncan retired.

I'm not a fan, but I must admit, as limited as he is, it's not going to be easy to do better.

[beirmeistr]

Do you know whose +/- numbers were very similar David West's (actually slightly better)? Luis Scola!

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415IND.HTM

Scola thread!

Would this make Manu happy?
would scola take the min?

[Chinook]

how do you get posts to appear in the think tank, I started a thread on a dude I think we might have some interest in, same guy who flagged with me our interest in Aron Baynes I posted a thread on him but its still not showing?

Anyway, Ryan Broekhoff, played last season in Turkey, has come over to play for Denver in SL, he is a shooter, a 6'7 wing. He was the starting 2 guard for the Australian National team. Can play small forward. Can shoot it at a very good clip.

For me he is a cheap Belli replacement. Time with the Boomers means familiarity with our system yada yada...

The thread in the TT should be all edited and approved now.

[benfti]

The thread in the TT should be all edited and approved now.thank you sir!

[ceperez]

Doubt if Danny's cousin Gerald Green can be had,but he's the best player that's possibly available,other than David West.Fills a sore spot on the roster.

Gerald Green will be looking to make money. Spurs can't afford him.

[ceperez]

would scola take the min?

If Spurs can't sign West, then Scola for the minimum should be a good deal.

[Chinook]

Gerald Green will be looking to make money. Spurs can't afford him.

Well, as I mentioned, he lost a bunch by having a bad year with the Suns. I think he may see the prospect of being in the Spurs system the year before the cap explodes worth the couple million he'd be giving up by signing a min deal. Also remember that this is his ninth season NBA. His minimum is actually a decent size.

[ceperez]

Well, as I mentioned, he lost a bunch by having a bad year with the Suns. I think he may see the prospect of being in the Spurs system the year before the cap explodes worth the couple million he'd be giving up by signing a min deal. Also remember that this is his ninth season NBA. His minimum is actually a decent size.

Players that can jump out of the gym are paid a premium in this league.

[Chinook]

Players that can jump out of the gym are paid a premium in this league.

Gerald Green's entire career disagrees with you.

[south side spur]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7QIuTaCIAI1m1x.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/DMP03ly.png

[ceperez]

Gerald Green's entire career disagrees with you.

considering his lack of real skills... he got overpaid.

[Nathan89]

CoJo isn't that big of a difference maker. We will ned to aquire a few more pieces, sure but Cory Joseph dosen't stand between us and a title.

He made a difference in game 6 WCF in 2014.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wouldn't mind Green, at all..really solid spot-up shooter IIRC, creates his own shot and finishes very well..big flaws are horrible shot selection and lazy defense, but I don't know if that will deter the Spurs, since Gary Neal had the same flaws and he thrived with SA(Green is much more talented, too)..

[TheGoldStandard]

The possibilities are getting quite exciting

[SpursFan86]

I'd be perfectly content with getting Gerald Green, but I'd be really surprised if he takes a minimum deal. He might've had a down year, but he wasn't TERRIBLE or anything. Above average PER, put up 22 points per 36 on slightly below average efficiency. Also only one year removed from an impressive 2014 season where he put up 15 ppg and shot 40% from 3. Given the current market, I'd be shocked if someone doesn't go out and give him at least $4-5 million.

Casspi re-signed with Sacramento. It actually appears he had a decent season with them last year...would've liked him as a backup wing.

I guess Greg Smith wouldn't be horrible as a 5th big...he was actually pretty good with the Rockets a couple years back. Doesn't look like he had a very good season with Dallas last year, so he might be in our price range.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^ Hopefully Chinook's logic is correct about players trying to cash in next year after a Spurs audition, tbh..

It can't hurt the cause that all of the Spurs' bench guys have received nice contracts, so far:lol..

[keepinitwill]

Mirza Teletovic

[SpursFan86]

Mirza Teletovic

Would love to have him as a backup wing, but he's a RFA. Brooklyn would definitely match anything we throw at him. Even if he was a UFA he'd be well out of our price range...unless his blood clot situation has given teams reason to stay away from him or something.

[palangi]

Darius Morris 3rd Pg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0NhAJtRLlEg

[bluebellmaniac]

^^ Hopefully Chinook's logic is correct about players trying to cash in next year after a Spurs audition, tbh..

It can't hurt the cause that all of the Spurs' bench guys have received nice contracts, so far:lol..

Ayres says hi.... Lol!!!

[BillMc]

Ayres says hi.... Lol!!!

:lol

But I bet, somehow, some way, Jeff still gets an NBA contract above minimum...hell, if we get desperate, it may be from us!!! :wow

(Though thankfully our would be the min)

[jesterbobman]

Yeah, getting Green would be great, if his job is to play semi competent wing D as a bench player, and shoot open 3's he'll be great. Plus it's practice for the Spurs having another player without all of his fingers.

[BillMc]

Yeah, getting Green would be great, if his job is to play semi competent wing D as a bench player, and shoot open 3's he'll be great. Plus it's practice for the Spurs having another player without all of his fingers.

You know Spurs players need all their fingers, since they get so many rings! :toast

[Kineto]

Gerald Green for the vet min could be a real good signing.
two year deal with player option, and he can hope a big contract in one or two year.

Of course, he would probably find more money elsewhere, but signing here give him the opportunity to win a NBA title, to play in a great team, and to play with his cousin Danny

[bluebellmaniac]

So here is who we have signed:
PG: Parker
PG / SG: Mills
SG: Green
SG / SF / PF: K Anderson
SF: Kawhi
PF: LMA
PF / C: Diaw
PF / C: Duncan

Most likely will be on the roster:
PG / SG: Manu
SF / PF: LJC

Possible:
PF / C: Bonner
PF / C: West

Needs:
Backup True PG
Starting C

After our 2 needs are filled, we could be at 14 slots filled. I think we may not have slots 13 and 14 filled until buyouts happen later in the season. Bonner's contract should be fully unguaranteed for max flexibility in picking up talent after wavers.

Ideas on backup PG and starting C? Chinook predicts a Hibbert buyout when Lakers go into tank mode to grab a top 3 pick to retain their 2016 first rounder. Ideas on a backup PG?

[DrSteffo]

Problem is Gerald Green's D is terrible. It's not even good enough for the Suns.....can you imagine that.

[Ice009]

Yes, he was traded to the Lakers (will be finalized after the moratorium just like the Splitter trade), and the impending buyout is obvious. That situation is going to turn toxic by December.

Interesting. I never even thought about the possibility of Hibbert getting bought out. I would really like to get him if he was bought out. I think Tim can get the best out of him.

[kobyz]

I'm starting to like the idea of signing Prince, He had some good games last season and we could use his experience as backup for Kawhi if KA don't pan out...

[Kineto]

Ideas on a backup PG?

Maybe we could use the "french connection" and the influence of Tony and Boris.

Rodrigue Beaubois has a good year in france, he seems healthy again, he was rumored to make the summer league with washington, so i guess he can consider a return in nba.

But if we go in that direction, i would prefer Antoine Diot. He is the backup PG in french NT (with Thomas Heurtel), and i think he could be a good 3rd PG in the team. He is an old fashion PG, with good passing and BB IQ, he's not a too bad defender, his shoot is honest, and he can handle the pressure. And french NT use some of the SA systems, so he would already have a little corporate knowledge
He will leave his current team (Strasbourg, coached by Vincent Collet, then french NT coach), but i'm not sure that he will accept to take a 3rd PG job in NBA, i heard that he have some good contract offer from euro team (Valence in ACB)

[ceperez]

So here is who we have signed:
PG: Parker
PG / SG: Mills
SG: Green
SG / SF / PF: K Anderson
SF: Kawhi
PF: LMA
PF / C: Diaw
PF / C: Duncan

Most likely will be on the roster:
PG / SG: Manu
SF / PF: LJC

Possible:
PF / C: Bonner
PF / C: West

Needs:
Backup True PG
Starting C

After our 2 needs are filled, we could be at 14 slots filled. I think we may not have slots 13 and 14 filled until buyouts happen later in the season. Bonner's contract should be fully unguaranteed for max flexibility in picking up talent after wavers.

Ideas on backup PG and starting C? Chinook predicts a Hibbert buyout when Lakers go into tank mode to grab a top 3 pick to retain their 2016 first rounder. Ideas on a backup PG?

As much as I like to see LJC do well and come to the team, I get the impression his not going to be effective being an undersized PF. Probably defensively he's great but I just am not sure.

Regarding needs:

3 point shooter to replace Belinelli
Center (backup)

I think between Parker, Ginobili, Diaw and Anderson the backup point guard duties are covered. Diaw is actually freed up to do less offensive work now that Aldridge is an offensive option.

[spurs10]

Tim will be our starting C...We have Diaw off the bench so that's half the battle there. Attention Manu! We need you!

[ceperez]

Tim will be our starting C...We have Diaw off the bench so that's half the battle there. Attention Manu! We need you!

For the regular season, Tim will be a part-time center. So who is playing center when Tim is taking time off?

[spurs10]

For the regular season, Tim will be a part-time center. So who is playing center when Tim is taking time off? Yes it will interesting. Guess West coming will influence our bottom line, though he is more of a PF.

[TheCerebral1]

So are we going with Marcus Denmon, Livio Jean Charles and other guys like that? I would hope they'd have a few other veteran moves at this point. David West is looking like a mighty important signing.

[spurs10]

So are we going with Marcus Denmon, Livio Jean Charles and other guys like that? I would hope they'd have a few other veteran moves at this point. David West is looking like a mighty important signing. He and Manu both....

[Shabazz]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5eyropZzfU4


as a starter on a bad Lakers team, this kid still had the 2nd most assists in the league. His passing is nothing short of phenomenal.

[stxspurs]

https://twitter.com/socialporters/status/617974757103808512

Reported Rumor

[ceperez]

https://twitter.com/socialporters/status/617974757103808512

Reported Rumor

Interesting.... 3 bench players from Argentina's legendary team..... Ginobili, Scola and Delfino? Is that the Manu deal?

[FireMicoHalili]

Idea is to sign players for the minimum for at least two years; system is complex. I wonder who can be had for at least two years for the minimum.

[bluebellmaniac]

https://twitter.com/socialporters/status/617974757103808512

Reported Rumor

How is this a rumor? It's just pictures of some of Argentina's great players. It takes words to make a rumor. ????

[Seventyniner]

If Hibbert were to be bought out, would the amount of salary that any particular team offers matter? Example, the Lakers buy him out for $15M (his contract is $15.5M). Does Hibbert get to keep any amount of a contract with another team above the $500k difference?

[stxspurs]

[QUOTE=bluebellmaniac;8093581]How is this a rumor? It's just pictures of some of Argentina's great players. It takes words to make a rumor.

https://twitter.com/socialporters/status/617829192873279489
Wrong link. THIS SAYS DELFINO AND SCOLA.

[bluebellmaniac]

[QUOTE=bluebellmaniac;8093581]How is this a rumor? It's just pictures of some of Argentina's great players. It takes words to make a rumor.

https://twitter.com/socialporters/status/617829192873279489
Wrong link. THIS SAYS DELFINO AND SCOLA.

That was tweeted by "Social Porters" who have a grand total of 585 followers.... looks legit.

[ceperez]

[QUOTE=bluebellmaniac;8093581]How is this a rumor? It's just pictures of some of Argentina's great players. It takes words to make a rumor.

https://twitter.com/socialporters/status/617829192873279489
Wrong link. THIS SAYS DELFINO AND SCOLA.

It sounds crazy, but it looks like it logically is possible. Both are going to take the minimum, just like Ginobili to win it all together!

Lineup update:

Parker/Mills
Green/Ginobili/Delfino
Leonard/Anderson/LJC
Aldridge/Diaw/Scola
Duncan/Bonner/Tavares/Lalanne

Here's the circumstances:

Delfino - undergoing physical in San Antonio
LJC - playing in summer league to make team
Scola - UFA still no offers
Tavares - Signed for $1.5m day after Splitter was traded
Lalanne - 2nd round pick. Center. Taken knowing Splitter was to be traded.

[spurspokesman]

Please get west and a decent parker backup that could carry us if parker goes down. The rest will take care of itself

[BillMc]

[QUOTE=bluebellmaniac;8093581]How is this a rumor? It's just pictures of some of Argentina's great players. It takes words to make a rumor.

https://twitter.com/socialporters/status/617829192873279489
Wrong link. THIS SAYS DELFINO AND SCOLA.

Is Delfino still in the league?

[Chinook]

If Hibbert were to be bought out, would the amount of salary that any particular team offers matter? Example, the Lakers buy him out for $15M (his contract is $15.5M). Does Hibbert get to keep any amount of a contract with another team above the $500k difference?

Usually, teams waive their right to set-off money when they buy a player out. So Hibbert would keep it all. However, if the Lakers retain their right to set-off money, then they get half of (whatever Hibbert makes on the new contract minus the minimum). So if the Spurs gave Roy $5 Million after the Lakers bought him out, LA would get $2 Million of Hibbert's previous salary of $15 Million set off. So Roy would get $18 Million, with the Spurs paying $5 Million and the Lakers paying $13 Million.

[tav1]

In terms of wings, the Spurs have good options for short term cheap contracts: Luke Babbitt, Dorell Wright, and Jarrell Eddie could all help with spacing for the ~10 minutes per game San Antonio would need them.

I wish there was a plausible sign and trade for Kevin Seraphin, even if David West signs. But players are getting paid in this market and I don't see any incentive for Seraphin not to go to a team that has a budget for him.

With Jordan, Howard, S. Adams, Bogut, Cousins in West....the Spurs need a tough big to reduce regular season wear and tear on Duncan and Aldridge. Is Emeka Okafor playing this season?

I'm hoping for a team like this:

Parker/Mills/Anderson
Green/Ginobili/Eddie
Leonard/Wright/vet min or player dev
Aldridge/West/LJC
Duncan/Diaw/vet min or player dev

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I wish we could steal Delly to play backup PG, but there's surely no way Cleveland lets him go, and we can't afford him anyway. I'd be surprised if he gets less than 12/3.

Looking at the remaining Cs, there's absolutely no-one worth signing. As many others have said, the best scenario would be West for the minimum and playing lots of bench smallball. Unless we're going to take a gamble on one of the draftees. And Bonner is almost definitely the 5th big due to system knowledge and effort. Ayres may be back, and Kawhi paying a lot of 4, if West chooses elsewhere.

There are some decent guys out there for 3rd PG, but with Manu/Kyle/Boris maybe we won't even bother with one of those.

That leaves a shooter. Ellington isn't terrible, but they'll probably stick with Williams who has experience in the system.

What happened to Reggie Bullock? He looked promising in some games during his rookie season with the Clips.

[ceperez]

In terms of wings, the Spurs have good options for short term cheap contracts: Luke Babbitt, Dorell Wright, and Jarrell Eddie could all help with spacing for the ~10 minutes per game San Antonio would need them.

I wish there was a plausible sign and trade for Kevin Seraphin, even if David West signs. But players are getting paid in this market and I don't see any incentive for Seraphin not to go to a team that has a budget for him.

With Jordan, Howard, S. Adams, Bogut, Cousins in West....the Spurs need a tough big to reduce regular season wear and tear on Duncan and Aldridge. Is Emeka Okafor playing this season?

I'm hoping for a team like this:

Parker/Mills/Anderson
Green/Ginobili/Eddie
Leonard/Wright/vet min or player dev
Aldridge/West/LJC
Duncan/Diaw/vet min or player dev

I like Jarrell Eddie for the minimum. The guy wants to be the next Danny Green: http://www.nba.com/spurs/austin-spurs-jarell-eddie-takes-danny-green-path

I don't think Seraphin is available for the minimum. I also don't care much for his game.

Spurs need a big body to go up against the West bigs like Howard, Adams, Bogut, Gasol, Cousins, Deandre Jordan.... (wow the list is really long!).

I suspect Tavares is available, but even if he is, he's just raw talent. Maybe its good enough to lay a body on the likes of Howard, kind of like how Baynes was effective.

[tav1]

Seeing Sonny Weems' name mentioned in other threads....intriguing.

[BillMc]

As I said, if he's even close to ready, Miluitnov would fill a need cheaply.

Also, I have to say I'm intrigued at this rumor of Delfino and Scola joining Manu. It's probably baseless and I have no idea how much those other Argentine greats have left (though Delfino is only 32). It would be a way of filling out the bench, and their experience together probably would make them greater than the sum of their parts.

But as others have said, the source is unknown. Probably somebody just thinking "wouldn't it be cool if..."

[tav1]

Tavares is not available per reports. Atlanta is keeping him.

And, yes, the list of big bigs in the west is long. Aldridge is also on record as preferring to play alongside a gritty center. That player might not be available/obtainable this summer.

[ceperez]

As I said, if he's even close to ready, Miluitnov would fill a need cheaply.

Also, I have to say I'm intrigued at this rumor of Delfino and Scola joining Manu. It's probably baseless and I have no idea how much those other Argentine greats have left (though Delfino is only 32). It would be a way of filling out the bench, and their experience together probably would make them greater than the sum of their parts.

But as others have said, the source is unknown. Probably somebody just thinking "wouldn't it be cool if..."

I don't think it is completely baseless.

Delfino is without a team and he recently was in San Antonio on a physical exam. Worse case, he tries out for the team.

Scola also is without contract.

Spurs have also no cap room to sign anyone outside of the minimum.

Two beggars can't be choosers. Spurs still need to fill in their roster with live bodies.

There's also that question of how to entice Manu to accept the minimum. Even at this advanced age, he's effective in orchestrating the offense.

[Seventyniner]

Usually, teams waive their right to set-off money when they buy a player out. So Hibbert would keep it all. However, if the Lakers retain their right to set-off money, then they get half of (whatever Hibbert makes on the new contract minus the minimum). So if the Spurs gave Roy $5 Million after the Lakers bought him out, LA would get $2 Million of Hibbert's previous salary of $15 Million set off. So Roy would get $18 Million, with the Spurs paying $5 Million and the Lakers paying $13 Million.

Thanks. I have actually never seen this explanation, maybe it was tweaked in the 2012 CBA? Anyway, I mainly wanted to know how important it would be to have the capacity to offer Hibbert more than the minimum. The Spurs won't have any more than the room exception (if that isn't used on Manu or someone else) unless they manage to stay over the cap with a complicated S&T involving Aldridge and the outgoing Spurs.

[beirmeistr]

I don't think it is completely baseless.

Delfino is without a team and he recently was in San Antonio on a physical exam. Worse case, he tries out for the team.

Scola also is without contract.

Spurs have also no cap room to sign anyone outside of the minimum.

Two beggars can't be choosers. Spurs still need to fill in their roster with live bodies.

There's also that question of how to entice Manu to accept the minimum. Even at this advanced age, he's effective in orchestrating the offense.

wouldn't it be something to see the 3 amigos on the court?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

David West - C/PF
Caron Butler - SF
Louis Scola - PF

These are the 3 players I think will sign with the Spurs for the Min (West the Room exception). West and Scola are still chasing a ring and Butler has stated he wants to go with a contender.

Spurs will have to make do with older guys this year. They will be able to start to revamp their roster for the future next year when the cap goes up again.

The trick is getting a Guard to replace Beli. I still like Shved. Spurs could give the Knicks a 1st rounder for him in a Sign and Trade or by some other means. Perhaps he will come here on a two year deal, 2nd year player option contract. With the cap going up next year, the Spurs can give him a raise if he indeed does mesh with the Spurs System.

Parker/Mills/Shved
Green/Manu/Shved
Leonard/Butler/KA
LMA/Scola/West/Bonner
Duncan/West/Bonner

IMO, this would be a solid lineup. Way better than last year.

[baseline bum]

So here is who we have signed:
PG: Parker
PG / SG: Mills
SG: Green
SG / SF / PF: K Anderson
SF: Kawhi
PF: LMA
PF / C: Diaw
PF / C: Duncan

Most likely will be on the roster:
PG / SG: Manu
SF / PF: LJC

Possible:
PF / C: Bonner
PF / C: West

Needs:
Backup True PG
Starting C

After our 2 needs are filled, we could be at 14 slots filled. I think we may not have slots 13 and 14 filled until buyouts happen later in the season. Bonner's contract should be fully unguaranteed for max flexibility in picking up talent after wavers.

Ideas on backup PG and starting C? Chinook predicts a Hibbert buyout when Lakers go into tank mode to grab a top 3 pick to retain their 2016 first rounder. Ideas on a backup PG?

You should stick Bonner and LJC as locks, and move Manu down to possible. Bonner already told Michelle Beadle he's looking for the minimum last week in their interview on Grantland, and no way Pop and RC don't offer that with a thin bench.

[baseline bum]

David West - C/PF
Caron Butler - SF
Louis Scola - PF

These are the 3 players I think will sign with the Spurs for the Min (West the Room exception). West and Scola are still chasing a ring and Butler has stated he wants to go with a contender.

Spurs will have to make do with older guys this year. They will be able to start to revamp their roster for the future next year when the cap goes up again.

The trick is getting a Guard to replace Beli. I still like Shved. Spurs could give the Knicks a 1st rounder for him in a Sign and Trade or by some other means. Perhaps he will come here on a two year deal, 2nd year player option contract. With the cap going up next year, the Spurs can give him a raise if he indeed does mesh with the Spurs System.

Parker/Mills/Shved
Green/Manu/Shved
Leonard/Butler/KA
LMA/Scola/West/Bonner
Duncan/West/Bonner

IMO, this would be a solid lineup. Way better than last year.

The room exception will go to Manu if he returns. I think West is waiting out the decision from Manu or he would have already signed for Cleveland's exception or a Spurs minimum offer.

[BillMc]

wouldn't it be something to see the 3 amigos on the court?

I think it would be fun. I have no idea if it would be the best bench the Spurs can assemble or not, but the idea is fun. Manu can have a victory lap with BOTH his favorite teams.

[Russ]

The room exception will go to Manu if he returns. I think West is waiting out the decision from Manu or he would have already signed for Cleveland's exception or a Spurs minimum offer.

How much can Cleveland offer him vs. the Spurs?

Also, how does Manu's decision impact his choice? (I assume he wants Manu on the team?)

[baseline bum]

Yes, he was traded to the Lakers (will be finalized after the moratorium just like the Splitter trade), and the impending buyout is obvious. That situation is going to turn toxic by December.

It's going to be so funny seeing Hibbert's reaction to Kobe going cancer on him like with Gasol and Howard. One day you're going to see Hibbert on the bench crying on TNT.

[baseline bum]

How much can Cleveland offer him vs. the Spurs?

Also, how does Manu's decision impact his choice? (I assume he wants Manu on the team?)

I think Cleveland has similar money to the Spurs room exception. If Manu signs West would have to take minimum to come here. If not the Spurs will surely offer him the room exception they're hoping Manu takes.

[BillMc]

Should anyone even whisper the words..."Andrew Bynum"?

[Russ]

It's going to be so funny seeing Hibbert's reaction to Kobe going cancer on him like with Gasol and Howard. One day you're going to see Hibbert on the bench crying on TNT.

The Lakers are so dumb they'll probably hire Kobe as coach after he retires.

[Russ]

I think Cleveland has similar money to the Spurs room exception. If Manu signs West would have to take minimum to come here. If not the Spurs will surely offer him the room exception they're hoping Manu takes.

So it's probably Manu or West but not both -- that's not good.

(But couldn't Manu take the vet minimum and leave West the Room?)

[PublicOption]

Larry Drew 2

[baseline bum]

Should anyone even whisper the words..."Andrew Bynum"?

Bynum stopped caring about his career once the Lakers traded him. He's in his twenties and rich as fuck, probably spends all day smoking weed and banging hookers.

[Kindergarten Cop]

How much can Cleveland offer him vs. the Spurs?

Also, how does Manu's decision impact his choice? (I assume he wants Manu on the team?)

I remember reading that Cleveland was only offering the minimum.

Manu's decision could potentially mean the difference of offering West the Room Exception (if not given to Manu) or the vet minimum (if given to Manu). I think it's a difference of roughly $1.2M.

[MVPCues]

David West - C/PF
Caron Butler - SF
Louis Scola - PF

These are the 3 players I think will sign with the Spurs for the Min (West the Room exception). West and Scola are still chasing a ring and Butler has stated he wants to go with a contender.

Spurs will have to make do with older guys this year. They will be able to start to revamp their roster for the future next year when the cap goes up again.

The trick is getting a Guard to replace Beli. I still like Shved. Spurs could give the Knicks a 1st rounder for him in a Sign and Trade or by some other means. Perhaps he will come here on a two year deal, 2nd year player option contract. With the cap going up next year, the Spurs can give him a raise if he indeed does mesh with the Spurs System.

Parker/Mills/Shved
Green/Manu/Shved
Leonard/Butler/KA
LMA/Scola/West/Bonner
Duncan/West/Bonner

IMO, this would be a solid lineup. Way better than last year.

Diaw....

[BillMc]

Bynum stopped caring about his career once the Lakers traded him. He's in his twenties and rich as fuck, probably spends all day smoking weed and banging hookers.

This and working on his bowling technique.

[ernest787]

i'm a little worried about our front court depth, but if we can get West to come here I'll feel much better. They will be undersized a bit, but I think they will be able to manage.

[Russ]

I remember reading that Cleveland was only offering the minimum.

Manu's decision could potentially mean the difference of offering West the Room Exception (if not given to Manu) or the vet minimum (if given to Manu). I think it's a difference of roughly $1.2M.

Maybe Manu and West could split the Room Exception and both get more than the minimum.

[GSH]

Seeing Sonny Weems' name mentioned in other threads....intriguing.


Weems signed with CSKA about 12 hours ago. I'm really bummed the Spurs didn't give him a shot, but we'll never know.



I wish we could steal Delly to play backup PG, but there's surely no way Cleveland lets him go, and we can't afford him anyway. I'd be surprised if he gets less than 12/3.



After what he did in the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if this market paid Dellavadova something closer to what Cory Joseph got. I don't know which teams have money left, but the way things are going, I could see someone offering him 3/18.

Jameer Nelson says that he wants to go to a contender. But he also keeps saying that he wants big minutes. I think what he's really saying is that he believes that he's a starter, and he wants starter money on a top-tier team. I don't think "delusional" is one of the traits the Spurs are looking for - not to mention what he'll think he's worth.

The problem with any of the fire-sale shooters is always consistency. I guess having a veteran hit-or-miss guy is better than having a D-league call-up, but probably not much.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

The room exception will go to Manu if he returns. I think West is waiting out the decision from Manu or he would have already signed for Cleveland's exception or a Spurs minimum offer.

Why, the Spurs own Manu's Bird rights and don't have to use the Room Exception on him. Did they renounce him or something to sign LMA. With Beli, Cojo, and Baynes departing as well, the Spurs have more wiggle room under the cap. It would be better served to lure someone like West.

I think the Spurs are waiting for the League to officially announce the cap. I was looking at the figures, and at 67 mil, the Spurs would probably have to renounce Manu and sign him to the Room exception to make room for LMA. IF it is at 69 mil, and Duncan taking a reported 6 mil dollar salary, the Spurs can resign him for the same amount without renouncing him and give the room exception to West.

Honestly, I think that is what the hold up is at this point. I think West is strongly considering the Spurs right now, otherwise he wouldn't be waiting and just sign with the Cavs. He really doesn't like Lebron, so it would be surprising if he does sign there.

[baseline bum]

Why, the Spurs own Manu's Bird rights and don't have to use the Room Exception on him. Did they renounce him or something to sign LMA. With Beli, Cojo, and Baynes departing as well, the Spurs have more wiggle room under the cap. It would be better served to lure someone like West.

I think the Spurs are waiting for the League to officially announce the cap. I was looking at the figures, and at 67 mil, the Spurs would probably have to renounce Manu and sign him to the Room exception to make room for LMA. IF it is at 69 mil, and Duncan taking a reported 6 mil dollar salary, the Spurs can resign him for the same amount without renouncing him and give the room exception to West.

Honestly, I think that is what the hold up is at this point. I think West is strongly considering the Spurs right now, otherwise he wouldn't be waiting and just sign with the Cavs. He really doesn't like Lebron, so it would be surprising if he does sign there.

The Spurs have to renounce Manu to fit Aldridge's deal in, which means all they'll have left is the room exception and minimum salary slots.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Diaw....

Forgot about him. If the Spurs could land Scola and West, it would really soften the blow of losing Splitter and Baynes.

[BillMc]

Why, the Spurs own Manu's Bird rights and don't have to use the Room Exception on him. Did they renounce him or something to sign LMA. With Beli, Cojo, and Baynes departing as well, the Spurs have more wiggle room under the cap. It would be better served to lure someone like West.

I think the Spurs are waiting for the League to officially announce the cap. I was looking at the figures, and at 67 mil, the Spurs would probably have to renounce Manu and sign him to the Room exception to make room for LMA. IF it is at 69 mil, and Duncan taking a reported 6 mil dollar salary, the Spurs can resign him for the same amount without renouncing him and give the room exception to West.

Honestly, I think that is what the hold up is at this point. I think West is strongly considering the Spurs right now, otherwise he wouldn't be waiting and just sign with the Cavs. He really doesn't like Lebron, so it would be surprising if he does sign there.

Yeah, exactly when does the league announce the final cap figure? The 9th?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Maybe Manu and West could split the Room Exception and both get more than the minimum.

I'm not sure the Room Exception can be split, but even if it could their minimums would be more added together than the $2.8M so it wouldn't make much sense.

[ceperez]

Weems signed with CSKA about 12 hours ago. I'm really bummed the Spurs didn't give him a shot, but we'll never know.





After what he did in the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if this market paid Dellavadova something closer to what Cory Joseph got. I don't know which teams have money left, but the way things are going, I could see someone offering him 3/18.

Jameer Nelson says that he wants to go to a contender. But he also keeps saying that he wants big minutes. I think what he's really saying is that he believes that he's a starter, and he wants starter money on a top-tier team. I don't think "delusional" is one of the traits the Spurs are looking for - not to mention what he'll think he's worth.

The problem with any of the fire-sale shooters is always consistency. I guess having a veteran hit-or-miss guy is better than having a D-league call-up, but probably not much.

Jarrel Eddie is like 42% on the 3 point line ... he won the D-league 3 point contest running away.... he's played for the Austin Spurs... he knows the system and all he needs to do is make the 3 when he is open.

I don't think making an open 3 is any different in the NBA and the D-league.

[Brazil]

On a side note, we could use Boris to eat some minutes off the bench to play PG. He used to play PG, of course he is slow for the position but his playmaking abilities are solid tbh he can be serviceable there

[tav1]

Bummer re: Weems.

[RD2191]

On a side note, we could use Boris to eat some minutes off the bench to play PG. He used to play PG, of course he is slow for the position but his playmaking abilities are solid tbh he can be serviceable there
Why not Kyle? Tbh

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

The Spurs have to renounce Manu to fit Aldridge's deal in, which means all they'll have left is the room exception and minimum salary slots.

At the 67 mil cap level yes, but at 69mil no. The Spurs can just resign Manu and Duncan first. Then sign LMA. Then sign Green, Kawhi, West and whoever to their deals. As I said, I guess that is what the hold up is at this point as the league hasn't officially stated what the cap is for the 2015 season. Reports are that it might go up to 69mil+, if that is the case, I don't think the Spurs would have to renounce Manu, which they would have done so already. If the cap goes up to 69mil+, the Spurs would just have to cut Williams and renounce Ayres and Bonner. Resign West to the room, Scola and Bonner to the Vet min.

But this all hinges on what exactly the cap is going to be, which it is not official at this point.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Yeah, exactly when does the league announce the final cap figure? The 9th?

Don't know. In the past, there is usually an official cap set at this point. Usually 2 to 3 days into FA. Don't know what the league is holding up for. Hopefully it's 69mil+, because it increases the Spurs chances of both landing West and retaining Manu.

[kobyz]

On a side note, we could use Boris to eat some minutes off the bench to play PG. He used to play PG, of course he is slow for the position but his playmaking abilities are solid tbh he can be serviceable there

And while we on it why not let LMA play SG...

[littlecoyotecoin]

Don't know. In the past, there is usually an official cap set at this point. Usually 2 to 3 days into FA. Don't know what the league is holding up for. Hopefully it's 69mil+, because it increases the Spurs chances of both landing West and retaining Manu.

They're holding out to see if there is any way they can fuck The Spurs deals. :)

[Mr. Body]

Bonner should be back. First year I really want him here.

David West I hope like crazy we can get. His hunger alone will drive thru some slow patches in the season.

Jerrel Eddie is intriguing. He's modeling himself heavily on Danny Green, a great sign.

Nikola Milutinov is not ready but is smart, agile, and already well-coached. He's a good ad option.

I don't see any good PG options for the minimum. We need Manu back.

Those are the standout options to me and what I hope at this point to get.

[Brazil]

Why not Kyle? Tbh

because he sucks ? maybe ?

:lol seriously tho it depends on his evolution, based on last year I don't see it but he is young and will improve but his drible is high, he is taller and slower than Boris. I'd feel much comfortable with Boris especially in POs

[RD2191]

because he sucks ? maybe ?

:lol seriously tho it depends on his evolution, based on last year I don't see it but he is young and will improve but his drible is high, he is taller and slower than Boris. I'd feel much comfortable with Boris especially in POs
Well yeah, Diaw is needed in the playoffs but Kyle can run the point every know and then I the regular season, imo.

[Brazil]

And while we on it why not let LMA play SG...

:rolleyes

Boris played the PG position quite often in his career. He played PG for the Suns when Nash was injured in 05-06 IIRC with 6 assists per game. I don't see why we could not use him for spot minutes behing Parker and Mills off the bench

[djohn14]

He made a difference in game 6 WCF in 2014.

I like Joseph but someone acting like he's a make or break signing is idiot, IMO. Matthew Dellavadova put up a couple great games in the finals, but the Cavs would perfectly fine if he's not back. In fact, I think they would be better. Joseph fit here because he brought a different mentality from the PG position. It was honestly an ideal fit. But we are a great organization to go to to maximize a players potential. That being the case, I think we shouldn't have much of a problem replacing CoJo.

[Brazil]

Well yeah, Diaw is needed in the playoffs but Kyle can run the point every know and then I the regular season, imo.

I don't watch the summer league, would be interesting to see if Becky use him a bit there

[MVPCues]

Forgot about him. If the Spurs could land Scola and West, it would really soften the blow of losing Splitter and Baynes.


No doubt there.

[TheGoldStandard]

Anyone but Delfino

[Fireball]

So its doubtful we get some relevant news before the new cap is official ... that sucks.

[RD2191]

I don't watch the summer league, would be interesting to see if Becky use him a bit there
Me either, I'm just going off of what others are saying.:lol

[Kineto]

My "pipe dream" interseason for the Spurs :

- Duncan and Ginobili both accept to comeback for the vet-min
- West sign for around $6~8M/y on a 2 or 3 years contract.
- We use the room exception for a good european PG (teodosic, spanoulis, mc calleb, lull, Koponen, etc...)
- Sign Gerald green for the Min
- Add LJC and Bonner to complete the roster.

Parker / Spanoulis / Mills
D. Green / Ginobili
Leonard / G. Green / Anderson
Aldridge / Diaw / LJC
Duncan / West / Bonner


This will probably don't happened, but that's not totally impossible...
Mostly depend on the will of Duncan to take minimum salary. Considering what he have already earned in his career, $1,5M or $6M will not make a big différence on his bank account...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Anyone but Delfino

Met with the Spurs doctors. So depending on the test and physical, he may be an option. But I think Butler would be the safer choice right now. Broken foots have never bode well for players in the past, especially in Basketball.

[TheGoldStandard]

Met with the Spurs doctors. So depending on the test and physical, he may be an option. But I think Butler would be the safer choice right now. Broken foots have never bode well for players in the past, especially in Basketball.

Think he also had shoulder issues too.

[FireMicoHalili]

the Hawks are keeping Tavares. Splitter trade was a straight-up salary dump. They could have given the Spurs Lamar Patterson or a 2nd round pick but nope?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

My "pipe dream" interseason for the Spurs :

- Duncan and Ginobili both accept to comeback for the vet-min
- West sign for around $6~8M/y on a 2 or 3 years contract.
- We use the room exception for a good european PG (teodosic, spanoulis, mc calleb, lull, Koponen, etc...)
- Sign Gerald green for the Min
- Add LJC and Bonner to complete the roster.

Parker / Spanoulis / Mills
D. Green / Ginobili
Leonard / G. Green / Anderson
Aldridge / Diaw / LJC
Duncan / West / Bonner


This will probably don't happened, but that's not totally impossible...
Mostly depend on the will of Duncan to take minimum salary. Considering what he have already earned in his career, $1,5M or $6M will not make a big différence on his bank account...

Look carefully in this post, the bait has been set... :lmao

[EVAY]

Met with the Spurs doctors. So depending on the test and physical, he may be an option. But I think Butler would be the safer choice right now. Broken foots have never bode well for players in the past, especially in Basketball.

this.

[ChumpDumper]

the Hawks are keeping Tavares. Splitter trade was a straight-up salary dump. They could have given the Spurs Lamar Patterson or a 2nd round pick but nope?The Spurs are getting something, we just don't know what.

[BillMc]

If we have to give a minimum contract to Delfino in order to get Manu back, we should do so.

[Jdspur20]

Any news on Tayshaun Price as to where he is going? Would be a good D guy behind KL.

[NASpurs]

618067122351153152

[BillMc]

I think everything is waiting on 2 things:

1) Final cap numbers
2) Manu's announcement

When those 2 things happen, I bet everything moves quickly.

[TheGoldStandard]

618067122351153152

God No, that guy is a black hole

[RD2191]

God No, that guy is a black hole

[kaji157]

I don´t see the Spurs being able to get the size they´ll need with the limited cap space.
Scola won´t come and play for the Min and i think in the end West neither.
We are going to set for older over the hill bigmen and hope they don´t get any serious injury. That or Greg Oden.

[TheGoldStandard]

I don´t see the Spurs being able to get the size they´ll need with the limited cap space.
Scola won´t come and play for the Min and i think in the end West neither.
We are going to set for older over the hill bigmen and hope they don´t get any serious injury. That or Greg Oden.


Muscala will be included in that Spurs deal.. That would actually be a Pop wet dream. Guy is athletic and can shoot the 3.

[ceperez]

I don´t see the Spurs being able to get the size they´ll need with the limited cap space.
Scola won´t come and play for the Min and i think in the end West neither.
We are going to set for older over the hill bigmen and hope they don´t get any serious injury. That or Greg Oden.

Trying another comeback: http://www.atthehive.com/2015/6/23/8828539/hoping-for-another-comeback-greg-oden-worked-out-for-the-hornets

Can he set screens and use up his fouls? I think so, sign him up!

[kobyz]

2 times nba champion Jordan Farmer anyone?

[SpursFan86]

2 times nba champion Jordan Farmer anyone?

He just signed a deal overseas. Gal Mekel might end up doing the same.

[BatManu20]

2 times nba champion Jordan Farmer anyone?

Signed with a European team today.

[BatManu20]

618072904677240832

[TheGoldStandard]

Manu needs to quit dicking around and announce already

[in2deep]

618067122351153152

[ducks]

Bobby Marks
‏@BobbyMarks42 Some good PF still out there: D. West, J.Hill, M.Teletovic, Amare, Jo.Smith, C.Boozer, L.Moute, L.Scola, R.Evans, C.Copeland, T.Hansbrough

[BatManu20]

If not West, Scola, Amar'e, and Boozer seem like likely candidates.

[NASpurs]

"good pf"... Boozer, Copeland

:lol

[TheGoldStandard]

If not West, Scola, Amar'e, and Boozer seem like likely candidates.

I guess I wouldn't mind the corpse of Scola

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I can't believe you guys are passing over a Spanoulis reference! :lmao

[BillMc]

I guess I wouldn't mind the corpse of Scola

Better than the fossilized corpse of Boozer.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Bobby Marks
‏@BobbyMarks42 Some good PF still out there: D. West, J.Hill, M.Teletovic, Amare, Jo.Smith, C.Boozer, L.Moute, L.Scola, R.Evans, C.Copeland, T.Hansbrough

Plenty of offensive PFs, no big, defensive PF/Cs, which is our need. O'Quinn would've been perfect if we could afford him. We will miss 2014 Splitter.

[TheGoldStandard]

Better than the fossilized corpse of Boozer.

Boozer is decaying dog feces..

[waly.mg]

Scola thread!!!!!

[ceperez]

Bobby Marks
‏@BobbyMarks42 Some good PF still out there: D. West, J.Hill, M.Teletovic, Amare, Jo.Smith, C.Boozer, L.Moute, L.Scola, R.Evans, C.Copeland, T.Hansbrough

Spurs need centers.

Besides, who of these stiffs will take the minimum?

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs need centers.

Besides, who of these stiffs will take the minimum?

Scola, Amare, West.. that's probably it

[ceperez]

Scola, Amare, West.. that's probably it

Scola ... unless he goes to Europe for more money.
Amare ... no lateral movement, can't shoot... pass.
West ... unless he goes to Ohio ( Cavaliers) ... but I'm not sure in Lebron likes him. It is just odd that when he came out, he was looking to join the Spurs or the Warriors. Why didn't he talk about the Cavs?

My guess is either Scola or West join for the minimum, not both.

[TheGoldStandard]

If you have a team option for a guy like Muscala can you trade him and then have the spurs sign him to a deal or do they need to sign him and then move him?

[hyhy]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Green
3 Leonard
4 Aldridge
5 Duncan

Bench
1 Mills
2 Ginobili
3 Anderson/LJC
4 Diaw/Bonner
5 Ayres

Most probable scenario tbh

[ceperez]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Green
3 Leonard
4 Aldridge
5 Duncan

Bench
1 Mills
2 Ginobili
3 Anderson/LJC
4 Diaw/Bonner
5 Ayres

Most probable scenario tbh

This is probably cheaper and therefore more probable:

Starters
1 Parker
2 Green
3 Leonard
4 Aldridge
5 Duncan

Bench
1 Mills
2 Ginobili
3 Anderson/LJC
4 Diaw/Bonner
5 Lalanne

I just cannot see bringing Ayres back even if he supposedly has 'corporate knowledge'. Isn't that what Bonner is here for?

Besides, Spurs absolutely need some length from someone to match up against the big centers of the West. Have we forgotten about D.Jordan, Howard, Gasol, Bogut, Adams? These are all from the top teams, Mavs, Rockets, Grizzlies, Warriors, Thunder.

[TimDunkem]

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[Shabazz]

Larry Drew 2

the guy who straight up quit on his team and ran home to mommy in the middle of spring semester without saying a word to his teammates or coaches because he lost the starting job to a better player??

are you high??

[Shabazz]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5eyropZzfU4


as a starter on a bad Lakers team, this kid still had the 2nd most assists in the league. His passing is nothing short of phenomenal.

[BillMc]

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Yeah! Two 40 year olds on our team! Bring on the youth movement. :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Yeah! Two 40 year olds on our team! Bring on the youth movement. :lol

Spurs do it for confidence boost to Parker.. He's still faster than Miller

[moisaenz]

MO or andre

[FromWayDowntown]

For the role that he would be asked to fill (and for the price tag) Andre Miller might actually be ideal.

He has obvious limitations, but he can certainly facilitate the offense better than either Mills or Joseph with a second unit and could, at times, allow Mills to slide to a purer shooting role at times to save Manu (if he's back). A Mills/Miller backcourt would be defensively hideous, but the ball movement that a group with Miller, Mills/Manu, Diaw could create would be a sight to behold.

[FromWayDowntown]

This is probably cheaper and therefore more probable:

After the Aldridge effort, I don't think the Spurs are going to be content trying to find answers to the bench situation from within the organization.

[beirmeistr]

I cannot believe that the FO or Duncan or some other teammate hasn't contacted Manu by now.

[Mr. Body]

I cannot believe that the FO or Duncan or some other teammate hasn't contacted Manu by now.

Yeah, I'm sure they've completely forgotten about him. :bang

[HarlemHeat37]

Yeah, I'm sure they've completely forgotten about him. :bang

:lol

[Prose]

Look as spurs fans it would be perfect if our roster was set by opening night. But it's not going to be. It's likely we build as the season goes on like the cavs did. Rember 2012 when we traded dick Jefferson for Stephen Jackson. Likely moves like that will help us build. Hopefully we sign one more big before then!

[Beaverfuzz]

FUCK JEREMY LIN!

[cantthinkofanything]

Spurs do it for confidence boost to Parker.. He's still faster than Miller

but he's a worse shooter and passer

Miller can give Spurs solid minutes

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I cannot believe that the FO or Duncan or some other teammate hasn't contacted Manu by now.

Who's to say they haven't?

[NASpurs]

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[NASpurs]

Ewww.

[Mr. Body]

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That would kill my Aldridge boner.

[BillMc]

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:bang

[loveforthegame]

Boozer makes me want to throw up. I hope that's all BS by his agent.

[cantthinkofanything]

That would kill my Aldridge boner.

don't worry. just CIA Pop making other teams think Spurs want him. right?

[NASpurs]

I have such an irrational hate for Loozer that I would rather have Ayres than him. At least Ayres being bad gives him some comedic value.

[cd98]

Bc our cap space is now mostly consumed, we have to either fill out the roster with aging veterans on minimum salaries or young, most likely undrafted or D-league players. Boozer, West, Scola, etc are good value on a minimum deal. Basically need 6 fouls and someone who can battle with centers.

[SupremeGuy]

Am I the only one that wants Psycho T? :lol

[NASpurs]

I hope he goes to the Mavs :lol

[FireMicoHalili]

FUCK JEREMY LIN!
at least take him out to dinner first

[ceperez]

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A team doesn't really want to be mentioned as being in a conversation unless they don't really care about landing the player.

[hater]

:lmao Boozers agent

[beirmeistr]

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prefer scola over boozer

[FromWayDowntown]

While I agree that the Spurs are likely in that rumor to bait others to join in the chase, any real pursuit of Boozer would suggest that the West thing is over.

I can't see the Spurs devoting resources to two relatively similar players like West and Boozer.

[RD2191]

https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/carlos-boozer-hair-3.jpg
Can't wait to see Manu's new hair, tbh.