US checkmated in Syria. Chinese warships joining Russian forces in Syria.

[pgardn]

Hezbollah, Hamas are proteges of Syria which is protege of Iran and Russia.

Hezbollah is attacking Assad? link?

Thanks, Repugs. Thrilled, grateful to see all you neocons and Repugs expressing deepest sorrow, regret, apologies for destabilizing the Middle East and Africa.

Understood. I found it in the Guardian and was shocked. I will try and locate it again. It was a section of Lebanese Hezbollah.

[pgardn]

Critics of Hezbollah believe the group is exaggerating the threat of the extremists in Syria by trying to build a national umbrella to fight under. A journalist loyal to the March 14 Movement (http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/en/originals/2015/04/lebanon-hezbollah-future-movement-dialogue-saudi-yemen.html) in Lebanon told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that the real threat to Lebanon’s unity today is posed by Hezbollah’s ventures in Syria. “Hezbollah is combating Syrian rebels. Its true a portion of them are extremists but we know the majority want a free country. Hezbollah’s media arms are trying to show the dark face of the revolution in Syria while there are many bright faces that they intend to cover,”

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/hezbollah-media-manar-changing-syria-israel-message.html#ixzz3nPJcZVj3

It had something to do with the above. Hezbollah had internal fighting about what they were doing in Syria.

And then you have this which is contradictory

Defending the capital and the surrounding countryside is a priority, though manpower shortages translate into a reluctance to fight in urban areas. So the suburb of Jobar is in the hands of Islamist fighters who lob mortar shells into government areas. Zabadani, a strategic town on the Lebanese border, was recaptured from rebels only with the help of Hezbollah and a Palestinian group loyal to Assad.

[hater]

:lol majority want a free Syria :lol

Same shit was said about Lybia and look where it is now :lol

[cheguevara]

N041DXAK5BI

"Saudi arabia is taking up issue with the Rusian bombing with the UN human rights council. Meanwhile they are bombing Yemen to the stone age (almost 3,000 civilians killed so far)"

[pgardn]

:lol majority want a free Syria :lol

Same shit was said about Lybia and look where it is now :lol

What did you expect a Lebanese journalist loyal to the Arab Spring to say? The Arab Spring started with a self immolation and people getting fed up of being ruled by dictators. It has helped create pure chaos when the West took it as meaning the Middle East is ready for democracy.

It also led to some freedom in a few North African Muslim countries. And it looks as though it might give Israel a chance to completely smother the Palestinians. This is why this is all so perplexing leading to situations we could not possibly forecast.

[pgardn]

We have people on this board with clear agendas. So they make every event into some huge turning point to bolster their preconceived notions when the reality is this is not simple physics where initial conditions are known so very accurate predictions concerning outcomes can be made.

This is a huge mess of highly fluid variables, good luck with the predictions. (Even though they are fun to make because we don't get held accountable like political leaders)

[hater]

Russia just attacked the IS stronghold at Raqqa

meanwhile US considering defending militarily the rebels :lol

holy shit, we have become the terrorists

[hater]

:lol holy shit

Saudi warns that Russian attack on IS will fuel more funding and recruitments for ISIS

goddam those motherfuckers have no shame

[cheguevara]

Russia just attacked the IS stronghold at Raqqa

meanwhile US considering defending militarily the rebels :lol

holy shit, we have become the terrorists

Russia is in the process of installing very sophisticated Air Defenses in Syrian territory. Sadly there is absolutely nothing the US can do at this point unless they want to see their planes start to drop like flies

[cheguevara]

I guess the US could possibly send a massive force to take out the SAMs, but that would be pretty much the start of WWWIII

plus unlikely because Russia would just bully Turkey to close up airspace to Americans and they would pretty much be up shits creek

[DarrinS]

:lol holy shit

Saudi warns that Russian attack on IS will fuel more funding and recruitments for ISIS

goddam those motherfuckers have no shame


Islam is the reason that part of the world is so fubar

[cheguevara]

what's funny is hearing all these ex US generals on TV and saying Obama is a pussy and the Russians are bluffing. And we should call out their bluff.

psychopaths

[cheguevara]

Islam is the reason that part of the world is so fubar

that takes a secondary role to bigger reasons. Oil and greed.

[DarrinS]

that takes a secondary role to bigger reasons. Oil and greed.

We have lots of oil and greed in the U.S., but we're not beheading and stoning people.

[cheguevara]

We have lots of oil and greed in the U.S., but we're not beheading and stoning people.

you need to read up on geopolitics.

[cheguevara]

talking about badasses. this guy is one bad mofo:

Former rebel Ramzan Kadyrov says if Russian PM sent his ‘death battalion’ to Syria in a ground operation, Islamic State would be wiped out within weeks

The Chechen leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, has asked Vladimir Putin to send him to Syria, claiming that a land operation using Chechen ground troops would wipe out Islamic State terrorists.

“The terrorists don’t know what a real war is, because they have only been subjected to airstrikes. They don’t have experience of real military action,” said Kadyrov in an interview with a Russian news agency.

“If our request is granted, it will be a celebration for us,” he said. “But it’s the decision of the commander-in-chief to take.”


“As a Muslim, as a Chechen, as a patriot of Russia, I am stating that in 1999, when our republic was seized by these devils, we gave our oath on the Qur’an that all our lives we would fight against them, wherever they are. I am not just saying this, I’m asking that we are allowed to go there and take part in these special operations,”

His policies to quell the Islamic insurgency have included burning down the houses of relatives of suspected militants.

http://nonalignedmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/putin-kadyrov1.jpg

[hater]

talking about badasses. this guy is one bad mofo:

Former rebel Ramzan Kadyrov says if Russian PM sent his ‘death battalion’ to Syria in a ground operation, Islamic State would be wiped out within weeks

The Chechen leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, has asked Vladimir Putin to send him to Syria, claiming that a land operation using Chechen ground troops would wipe out Islamic State terrorists.

“The terrorists don’t know what a real war is, because they have only been subjected to airstrikes. They don’t have experience of real military action,” said Kadyrov in an interview with a Russian news agency.

“If our request is granted, it will be a celebration for us,” he said. “But it’s the decision of the commander-in-chief to take.”


“As a Muslim, as a Chechen, as a patriot of Russia, I am stating that in 1999, when our republic was seized by these devils, we gave our oath on the Qur’an that all our lives we would fight against them, wherever they are. I am not just saying this, I’m asking that we are allowed to go there and take part in these special operations,”

His policies to quell the Islamic insurgency have included burning down the houses of relatives of suspected militants.

http://nonalignedmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/putin-kadyrov1.jpg

:wow

gottam!! if Putin unleashes this devil on ISIS

that would be some epic shit

[hater]

:lmao wasn't familiar with this guy. he's nuts!

"the moment the terrorists in Syria relialize that Chechen soldiers are on the way, they will get out of there"

http://gdb.rferl.org/54FCACF8-0F31-4714-8A69-E71FBE819280_mw800_mh600.jpg

https://russianavos.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/13d25a48fcb88632690f6a706700b0b4.jpg

[Winehole23]

Islam is the reason that part of the world is so fubarwar, invasion and the economic ruin and mass migrations resulting therefrom, have *something* to do with it too. power dynamics explain way more than ideology and religious belief.

[Winehole23]

how long has US been at war in Africa, mideast and South Asia? have our efforts been generally stabilizing or the reverse?

[hater]

"Russia is making a strategic mistake" - Obama when asked if Putin is outsmarting him

:lmao :lol :lol :lmao :lmao

[hater]

:lol holy shit what a clown.

[hater]

:lmao twitter destroying Obama :lol

[Infinite_limit]

American whining is unbearable. Even my Mother asked me why American media is being so hypocritical.

[hater]

American whining is unbearable. Even my Mother asked me why American media is being so hypocritical.

American media is just a mouthpiece of the CIA. Russia just destroyed their training facility and possibly took out a bunch of agents.

They are butthurt

[Infinite_limit]

American media is just a mouthpiece of the CIA. Russia just destroyed their training facility and possibly took out a bunch of agents.

They are butthurt
:lol

Post more on the situation

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lmao twitter destroying Obama :lol

lol links?

[pgardn]

American media is just a mouthpiece of the CIA. Russia just destroyed their training facility and possibly took out a bunch of agents.

They are butthurt

So give us your reading sources outside of the US.

[pgardn]

"Russia is making a strategic mistake" - Obama when asked if Putin is outsmarting him

:lmao :lol :lol :lmao :lmao

It is a huge mistake if they try to back Assad and return the entirety of Syria back to him.

1. Because they don't have the $
2. Because they don't have the long term will. The Russian people are not completely stupid. Their children will die and they will be brought home to their mothers.

[pgardn]

:wow

gottam!! if Putin unleashes this devil on ISIS

that would be some epic shit

Yes.

They would die.
They would be facing a much more modern army than they expect.
The big talk and MMA headlines turn dour when the real thing happens.
The people they face would be happy to die as well. Well armed, tactically sound men with good US made weapons who are unafraid to die make for tough opposition. Obama and our military get this so we stay in the air. And the Saudis intransigence in arming this single minded mob would be as evil as anything a big white guy has faced. Weapons and good tactics even out the game against what look to be rough street fighters. And the dude knows this. This is not a Fckn bar brawl.

[ElNono]

Syria in Chaos, Israel Seeks to Affirm Golan Annexation

By JODI RUDOREN 1:34 PM ET
Some Israelis argue it is hard to imagine a stable state to which the territory seized in the 1967 war could be returned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/middleeast/syria-civil-war-israel-golan-heights.html


http://static3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Replace+the+word+dragon+with+jew+_45f20f5b3d94cec6 639dc34bba6b453b.jpg

[pgardn]

We also have to stop sharing military information with the Saudis or there could be quite a few dead Chechens if they are really bored enough to get sent.

*wink, wink*

Like this has not been suggested as "mistakes happen"

"We have no idea how shoulder fired missiles got to the right spots and to the right people with the right training in Afghanistan"

You won't see this publicized in American papers like you would in Russia. But has this thought crossed the Pentagon's mind... Nah.

[Infinite_limit]

We also have to stop sharing military information with the Saudis or there could be quite a few dead Chechens if they are really bored enough to get sent.

*wink, wink*

Like this has not been suggested as "mistakes happen"

"We have no idea how shoulder fired missiles got to the right spots and to the right people with the right training in Afghanistan"

You won't see this publicized in American papers like you would in Russia. But has this thought crossed the Pentagon's mind... Nah.
No one doubts Americans intent to sabotage.

Russia - China - Iran. New World Order. First they took your ME whipping boy. Next is the Petro-Dollar

[Pelicans78]

Islam is the reason that part of the world is so fubar

No, the region was fine before Western imperialism over oil and the founding of Israel. The British put the savage Wahhabi Saudis in power and the oil money helped spread their extremist brand all over the region.

[pgardn]

No one doubts Americans intent to sabotage.

Russia - China - Iran. New World Order. First they took your ME whipping boy. Next is the Petro-Dollar

Yep.

If we perceive it's in our National interest.

And let me know when the Russians learn to get hydrocarbons out of the ground as efficiently as we do. The World's oil supply still relies on American technology to get it out of the ground and process it. The technology will get even better and make it even cheaper, do you count on Russia, China, and Iran to be leading in these technologies?

Take a drive to Corpus Christi from San Antonio and let me know when Russia invades this minor piece of our oil patch.

[pgardn]

wouldnt mind seeing russia going raw into the ME especially the saudies, fkn terrorists kents hiding behind that veil

Actually get this. But it's not that easy. You just know our politicians that deal with them know what it means to be a
hypocrite.

[boutons_deux]

meanwhile, in Repugs' other botched, lost war, USA killing Nobel Peace Prize winners

3 ‘Doctors Without Borders’ staff killed in US airstrike on Afghan hospital

The medical charity Doctors Without Borders said its hospital in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz was hit early Saturday by an airstrike—apparently carried out by U.S. forces—and at least three hospital staff were killed.

The charity group said more than 30 staff members were unaccounted for after "sustained bombing" that severely damaged the hospital, the only major functioning health facility in the city, which has been the focus of clashes between Taliban insurgents and government forces for days.

A spokesman for the U.S.-led military coalition confirmed that U.S. forces carried out an airstrike in Kunduz at 2:15 a.m. "against individuals threatening the force."
"The strike may have resulted in collateral damage to a nearby medical facility," Col. Brian Tribus said. "This incident is under investigation."

Bart Janssens, Doctors Without Borders' director of operations, said medical staff did not have final casualty figures but were treating injured patients and aid workers, and accounting for the dead.

"We are deeply shocked by the attack, the killing of our staff and patients and the heavy toll it has inflicted on health care in Kunduz," Janssens said.

"We urge all parties to respect the safety of health facilities and staff."

Since fighting in Kunduz broke out Monday, the hospital has treated 394 patients. At the time of the airstrike Saturday morning, the group said, 105 patients and caretakers were in the hospital, along with more than 80 Afghan and foreign staff members from Doctors Without Borders, the group said.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/3-doctors-without-borders-staff-killed-in-us-airstrike-on-afghan-hospital/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

"Why Do They Hate Us?"

[Pelicans78]

The Russians in Syria is another Zionist plot to help Israel.

[hater]

The Russians in Syria is another Zionist plot to help Israel.

How does helping Iran save their buddy and partner fit in the Zionist plans?

[velik_m]

meanwhile, in Repugs' other botched, lost war, USA killing Nobel Peace Prize winners

3 ‘Doctors Without Borders’ staff killed in US airstrike on Afghan hospital
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Democrat president just doing his Nobel peace prize work - spreading hope and change upon the world.

[hater]

Obama just trying to one up Putin and declare partial victory vs Drs without Borders

[boutons_deux]

Democrat president just doing his Nobel peace prize work - spreading hope and change upon the world.

do you have any suggestions about how to clean up dubya's neverending messes?

If you have questions about the Nobel prize, ask the Nobel committee. Obama had nothing to do with it.

[m>s]

do you have any suggestions about how to clean up dubya's neverending messes?

If you have questions about the Nobel prize, ask the Nobel committee. Obama had nothing to do with it.
Take a break

[boutons_deux]

some history on Pootin

In Putin’s Syria Intervention, Fear of a Weak Government Hand

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/10/04/world/europe/04PUTIN/04PUTIN-superJumbo.jpg
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/world/europe/in-putins-syria-intervention-fear-of-a-weak-government-hand.html?_r=1

[hater]

Damn looks like Russian airstrikes are demolishing ISIS and they are disbanding like bitches. Most are now pretending to be refugees and going to Europe.

Lets hope.this is true and these weak animals are wiped out. Time for a ground attack to send these fucks to their 200 virgins.

[hater]

:lol if Putin frees Syria in a matter of weeks :lol

:lol US was "bombing" ISIS for 4,years :lol

[m>s]

I heard that large groups of "rebels" are just turning themselves in

[hater]

I heard that large groups of "rebels" are just turning themselves in

The Russians dropped a bunch of pamphlets saying "the game is over. if u turn yourself in, you will be treated humanely"

Damn :lol

[RandomGuy]

Take a break

Maybe he can find that list of 30 countries at your link. :lmao

[RandomGuy]

No you quoted 3 long paragraphs from the link. I read that shit and decided its not worth my time.

Either post the relevant shit or move along

The historical Caliphate, and the calls for and about that idea are very relevant to understanding ISIS and muslim extremism in general.

Why do you think recruiting tactics and cultural norms used by Daeshisn't relevant?

[RandomGuy]

>literally post the link listing all of the countries
>this dumbfuck asks me to post a list

do your own homework cuck-tard

Really, you posted the link showing the 30 countries that observed it? Do tell.

[RandomGuy]

N041DXAK5BI

"Saudi arabia is taking up issue with the Rusian bombing with the UN human rights council. Meanwhile they are bombing Yemen to the stone age (almost 3,000 civilians killed so far)"

Very good point. What a mess.

[RandomGuy]

I'm sure christianizing the entire middle east would also be attractive to non radical Christians...

Quite a few would say so. I think if you really did a fairly broad poll, you would find a majority of Christians would probably say that would be a good thing.

Not really sure where you are going with this. ???

[m>s]

but how many christians would behead all those who opposed them to achieve it

[hater]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dyn0YoIGybg/Vg6WeTCTvvI/AAAAAAAAP54/mVHJt1hKEOY/s1600/12084018_913262968753357_310496632_n.jpg

[pgardn]

The Russians dropped a bunch of pamphlets saying "the game is over. if u turn yourself in, you will be treated humanely"

Damn :lol


Holy shit not that! What a devastating development!


I heard ISIS members turning themselves in droves...

Sure thing. The Chechens scared them off, ISIs is defeated.
M>s and hater living in dream world...

[hater]

The historical Caliphate, and the calls for and about that idea are very relevant to understanding ISIS and muslim extremism in general.

Why do you think recruiting tactics and cultural norms used by Daeshisn't relevant?

As relevant as the Holy Medieval Crusades tbqh

[hater]

Holy shit not that! What a devastating development!


I heard ISIS members turning themselves in droves...

Sure thing. The Chechens scared them off, ISIs is defeated.
M>s and hater living in dream world...


Oh noes! Our terrorist puppets are disappearing! Pgardn mad...

[pgardn]

Oh noes! Our terrorist puppets are disappearing! Pgardn mad...

ISIS is going nowhere unless Russia bombs the place back to the stone age. We have puppets in that region? We don't control shit in Syria and neither will the Russians unless they are willing to put troops on the ground in large numbers. And the troops will die, and the Russians will suffer economically and lose sons. It can be done, but the price is huge.

We obviously we're not willing to pay that price. This part is straightforward. You think the Russians wish to pay this price?
I don't.

The pamphlet carpet bombing... so effective.

[hater]

Assad has 100,000 troops at his disposal. If USA stays out of the way you can be 100% sure ISIS can be defeated.(in Syria) The Russian air force along with 100,000 troops on the ground. Are you shitting me? It's very doable.

All depends if US stays out of the way of course.

[pgardn]

Assad has 100,000 troops at his disposal. If USA stays out of the way you can be 100% sure ISIS can be defeated.(in Syria) The Russian air force along with 100,000 troops on the ground. Are you shitting me? It's very doable.

All depends if US stays out of the way of course.

He had 300,000 they have left in droves. It's down to 70,000 that are basically sick of it. This is not nearly enough to take Syria back. They are barely holding on to PARTS OF Damascus. The Russians might be able to help clear out Damascus and a few other places. But civilians will die as they do this from the air. Don't be completely silly. This is partially why the Russians are helping Assad, he has the best people, they are gone. He can only hang on to a few places.

Read about this more closely. This is completely a Russian show unless they put troops down in large numbers. What the hell are you reading?

[hater]

Lol nah. You are completely clueless. Assad has 100,000 troops that is not including the Iranian troops and the allied Hezbollah. That should be more than plenty to make ISIS run with Russia. Jets flying.

Please educate yourself some more and come back.

[pgardn]

Lol nah. You are completely clueless. Assad has 100,000 troops that is not including the Iranian troops and the allied Hezbollah. That should be more than plenty to make ISIS run with Russia. Jets flying.

Please educate yourself some more and come back.

It is not enough, not even close.

What at are you reading?

Im looking at the Guardian, Der Spiegel, NY Times.

[m>s]

It is not enough, not even close.

What at are you reading?

Im looking at the Guardian, Der Spiegel, NY Times.
Well you read the most biased of all publications from each respective country, that's the problem. Those sources are all trash.

just curious, how do you figure that it's not enough? How many fighters do you think Isis has? Give us a brief breakdown of your reasoning.

[pgardn]

Well you read the most biased of all publications from each respective country, that's the problem. Those sources are all trash.

just curious, how do you figure that it's not enough? How many fighters do you think Isis has? Give us a brief breakdown of your reasoning.

Alright then what do you read in the US, Britian, and Germany?


And then once you give those publications tell me how your news varies from what I have stated. Give me your understanding of the situation based on those sources and I will look at them.

All of the publications I have given have been highly critical of the role of the US in the region.

[m>s]

I asked you how many fighters you think Isis has and why the coalition won't be enough to stop them

[pgardn]

I asked you how many fighters you think Isis has and why the coalition won't be enough to stop them

And I asked you to name your sources since you chimed in with disagreement.

Its very difficult to estimate the numbers of ISIS fighters as they are in constant flux and very widely spread. They have foreigners joining, leaving and dying and within the group itself there appear to be different branches. They have a surprisgly efficient support system though. And have some very modern weapons and tactics.

The real problem is not the number of fighters, it's the resorcefullness and influence they have shown in such a wide swath of places. They are obviously incredibly difficult to deal with militarily as they, like other guerilla groups can easily blend into a population. Or leave and stay close if they think they are outgunned and then just move back in.

So the estimated numbers vary widely. Based on all the sources I read from 10,000 to 50,000 in Iraq and Syria. Some groups like the Britian based human rights group in Syria estimate well over 100,000.

They have clearly grown enormously since 2014.

Now, your reading please. Your news sources. I mean you "heard" ISIS was surrendering once the words "mighty mother Russia " was actually spoken.

[m>s]

it's 30,000 fighters according to the sources i've read, thats across 2 countries. please explain how 100,000 to 150,000 assad troops, plus hezbollah, plus iranian special forces, plus russian and chinese special forces with russian air support wouldn't be able to take ground back from these guys? they have intel, they know who they are, not so easy to just blend in or run away whenever the locals will rat them out as soon as the good guys show up. hell, people on social media are pointing out the faces of terrorists posing as "refugees" and showing the pictures of them back when they were fighting with ISIS sort of a then/now comparison. once the time is right to mount a ground offensive they can push them back into the desert where they'll be easy pickings. rebels are already surrendering if you haven't heard. the war is all but over, give it 2 years tops.

[m>s]

also you mentioned resources. where do you think they are getting the majority of their funding besides saudi arabia?

[pgardn]

it's 30,000 fighters according to the sources i've read, thats across 2 countries. please explain how 100,000 to 150,000 assad troops, plus hezbollah, plus iranian special forces, plus russian and chinese special forces with russian air support wouldn't be able to take ground back from these guys? they have intel, they know who they are, not so easy to just blend in or run away whenever the locals will rat them out as soon as the good guys show up. hell, people on social media are pointing out the faces of terrorists posing as "refugees" and showing the pictures of them back when they were fighting with ISIS sort of a then/now comparison. once the time is right to mount a ground offensive they can push them back into the desert where they'll be easy pickings. rebels are already surrendering if you haven't heard. the war is all but over, give it 2 years tops.

Dont be a idiot. These guys started with very small numbers. This is a guerilla group not an organized traditional army. They have influence over a huge amount of land. How are is Assad going to get all the right troops to the right spots along booby trapped highways and roads. Assad HAD 300,000 troops and could not do shit. Now he has 70,000 "don't wanna be there" conscripts and you think this is enough? It does not matter what China and Russia do with special forces, who are they clearing the way for, troops hunkered down in Damascus?

WTF did Assad even ask for help, his Army is tied down, disillusioned, and mostly GONE.?

GTfOH

And give me your sources.



And sorry I cussed. I said I would not cuss at you anymore, I said this to myself.

[pgardn]

rebels are already surrendering if you haven't heard. the war is all but over, give it 2 years tops.

Heard from where? Isis rebels, how many, two?

Two years with a deal, or ISIS wiped out?

[pgardn]

And Chinese special forces?

Where did you get this?

[m>s]

According to the CIA Isis has around 31,500 fighters

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/12/number-isis-fighters-has-swelled-to-as-many-as-31500-cia-says/

now assads army has approximately 150,000 to 178,000 troops left

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Armed_Forces

plus the ranks of the Shia militias backing him have swelled to as much as 60,000 according to recent estimates.

Putin just signed a decree conscripting 150,000 men in addition to their regular army, meaning they are willing to go the distance to eradicate the Isis menace. Don't forget Iran is getting more and more heavily involved.

so they should have the manpower to get it done, even considering some estimates that say Isis has many more fighters than previously thought. But you're a government guy, surely they aren't wrong.

the problem Isis is soon to run into is air superiority plus mobility. They've been facing a stationary enemy on the defensive but Russia is bringing the armor and APCs. Isis is so fucked surely they must realize it.

[m>s]

Also you never said where you thought that Isis gets their funding besides Saudi Arabia? I'll tell you, it's oil. Cmon did you really think the USA doesn't know who's buying their oil? Isis could easily be hurt in a lot of different ways but the USA was never committed to wiping them out.

[m>s]

And Chinese special forces?

Where did you get this?
China has been the low key player in all of this but believe me they are soon to enter the fray

http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/09/wwiii-is-shaping-up-in-syria/

[hater]

Many sources allude to the fact China supports the Russia incursion. But the most telling sign isnprobably that China has been.completely silent so far.

Oh and Germany supports Russia too. Crazy. NATO is just a joke these days. No way in helm NATO will support shooting down Russia. Jets. So US will have to do it singlehandely good luck with that. :lol Shillary. She would have got us into WWIII already :lol

[pgardn]

Also you never said where you thought that Isis gets their funding besides Saudi Arabia? I'll tell you, it's oil. Cmon did you really think the USA doesn't know who's buying their oil? Isis could easily be hurt in a lot of different ways but the USA was never committed to wiping them out.

Its well documented that Turkey was buying their oil and got caught doing so.

You failed to even mention Turkey in this mess. They were allowing fighters to come in through their airports and cross their border.

So "forgetting" something in this huge mess is not really pertinent. What is spot on is people who think this is easily solved by the intervention of Russia. Iran has already been thoroughly involved and China will do little to nothing most likely.
You guys with a hard on for Putin are dazed and confused.

The following article makes perfect sense to me, but since you guys want some superhero maybe it's beyond you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russias-military-is-unlikely-to-turn-the-tide-in-syrias-war/2015/10/03/1b9fff04-686a-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html

[pgardn]

:lol if Putin frees Syria in a matter of weeks :lol

:lol US was "bombing" ISIS for 4,years :lol


If...

What game are you playing in different threads?

[pgardn]

The Russians dropped a bunch of pamphlets saying "the game is over. if u turn yourself in, you will be treated humanely"

Damn :lol

This will surely solve things.

[pgardn]

Assad has 100,000 troops at his disposal. If USA stays out of the way you can be 100% sure ISIS can be defeated.(in Syria) The Russian air force along with 100,000 troops on the ground. Are you shitting me? It's very doable.

All depends if US stays out of the way of course.

Ohh so it is doable?

[m>s]

Hell not only in Syria, the coalition isn't stopping there it's all the way to Baghdad baby. Putin said he's ready to send in 100k troops to bolster Assad.

[m>s]

Its well documented that Turkey was buying their oil and got caught doing so.

You failed to even mention Turkey in this mess. They were allowing fighters to come in through their airports and cross their border.

So "forgetting" something in this huge mess is not really pertinent. What is spot on is people who think this is easily solved by the intervention of Russia. Iran has already been thoroughly involved and China will do little to nothing most likely.
You guys with a hard on for Putin are dazed and confused.

The following article makes perfect sense to me, but since you guys want some superhero maybe it's beyond you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russias-military-is-unlikely-to-turn-the-tide-in-syrias-war/2015/10/03/1b9fff04-686a-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html
Then my next question is why do you suck the U.S. Govt so hard when u know they support terrorism? Don't act like they couldn't force turkey to stop.

[hater]

Putin is not sending 100,000 Russians tbh :lol that's a bullshit story.

He has drafted 150,000 in case of WWIII thou

He has also sent a couple of subs with 200 nukes each to the Atlantic and the Med. Thou. :wow

[pgardn]

No. That's just not true.

The US unleashed the hatred that was already present but suppressed by dictators in the Middle East.
So no, not directly.

I have access to the pitfalls of this country because this country is self critical. We have a viable press. I also understand that corrupt totalitarian regimes like the ones you seem to praise don't allow this. This seems to escape you. As far as Obama... I think he has been a very poor leader.

I have stated on numerous occasions.

[hater]

"we have a viable press". :lmao fail right there

[pgardn]

"we have a viable press". :lmao fail right there

Watch Hater play dodgeball now.

What do you read? Where do you get your information?

[pgardn]

Putin is not sending 100,000 Russians tbh :lol that's a bullshit story.

He has drafted 150,000 in case of WWIII thou

He has also sent a couple of subs with 200 nukes each to the Atlantic and the Med. Thou. :wow

Uhhh... what story?

[pgardn]

"we have a viable press". :lmao fail right there

So which one of your apparent hero countries is more self critical in its press than the US?

China
Russia
Iran

[hater]

So which one of your apparent hero countries is more self critical in its press than the US?

China
Russia
Iran

Just laughing at your false statement. Tbh

I never said china, Russia or Iran have viable media. Doesn't make your statement any less idiotic.

[pgardn]

Just laughing at your false statement. Tbh

I never said china, Russia or Iran have viable media. Doesn't make your statement any less idiotic.

You don't think the US press is self critical?

What do you read?

Again.

What do you read?

[hater]

You don't think the US press is self critical?

What do you read?

Again.

What do you read?

Wall street journal and NYT = mouthpiece of the govmt

CNN = the Disneyland version of news

FOX = :lmao


There's your biggest players in US media. Wake up :rolleyes

[hater]

On that note here is a Russian broadcaster's weather forecast today:

"its warm and sunny in Syria. And conditions are perfect for flying fighter jets and launching air strikes"

:lmao

[pgardn]

Wall street journal and NYT = mouthpiece of the govmt

CNN = the Disneyland version of news

FOX = :lmao


There's your biggest players in US media. Wake up :rolleyes

NyTimes is damn good.
Washington post.
Guardian
Der Speigel


WHAT DO YOU READ?

[pgardn]

On that note here is a Russian broadcaster's weather forecast today:

"its warm and sunny in Syria. And conditions are perfect for flying fighter jets and launching air strikes"

:lmao

Wow.

This has never been tried before.
What an interesting strategy.

[hater]

NyTimes is damn good

:lmao :lol :lol :wow

You are worse off than I thought

[pgardn]

:lmao :lol :lol :wow

You are worse off than I thought

And what are your sources?
Again.

Can you stop with the little emoticons, you graduated from middle school. Tell us why you think this is unbelievable, funny, whatever by siting your sources that are much more reliable.

Im out.

Look forward to finding some other reputable sources from such an estute poster.

[Fabbs]

Chinese warships?

[m>s]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609757/Putin-ISIS-Islamic-State-Syria-Raqqa-troops-soldiers-air-strike-jets-military

[in2deep]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQkGCMaUEAAYluR.jpg

[hater]

"rebel leaders formally ask US for anti aircraft weaponry to combat Russia"

:lmao if Obama complies :lol

[pgardn]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609757/Putin-ISIS-Islamic-State-Syria-Raqqa-troops-soldiers-air-strike-jets-military

Pile o shit tabloid.

If Putin sends 150,000 reserves they are going to have big time casualties unless he lets them kill anything that moves.

[m>s]

>russia

>not killing anything that moves

[hater]

"Saudi clerics call for Jihad against Russia .and Iran"

:lmao these fucks. Must be fuming over Putin taking a shit on their hordes

[hater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQqQmo7XAAA7AjL.jpg

[hater]

:lmao

US Army patch for soldiers combating ISIS resembles Muslim Brotherhood Patch :lol :lmao

http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Muslim-Brotherhood-and-US-Army-patch.png

[m>s]

Why are we giving foreign militias patches anyway?

[Pelicans78]

Why are we giving foreign militias patches anyway?

Because this a country of cucks. You should have put the U.S.A on your cuck list.

[m>s]

Obama is top kuk

[hater]

A Kalashnikov, a hundred dollars a month, a pack of cigs and a yuuu nited states badge.

Yeeeeehaaaa

[Infinite_limit]

This thread keeps delivering, like Putin on his promises

[hater]

Damn Russians launching rockets at ISIS from warships on Caspian sea 1000 miles away :wow

iMasnaAf_H4

[pgardn]

This is actually getting very interesting. Russia is basically working with Syria to go after non ISIS US backed rebel targets. So now you give Assad a foothold and give him control over the easier more direct important cities. Prop Assad up in a small part of Syria and make him a player again leaving the entire rest of the country to the US and much more difficult ISIS targets.

So Assad and the Russians gain a small piece of Syria and then chill letting the US ponder what to do and basically saying Mr. Assad and Russia are ready to help with the tough spots.

Thats a good plan. Russia is saying they are not in this to help Assad but they will make him a player with this limited strategy.

[boutons_deux]

This is actually getting very interesting. Russia is basically working with Syria to go after non ISIS US backed rebel targets. So now you give Assad a foothold and give him control over the easier more direct important cities. Prop Assad up in a small part of Syria and make him a player again leaving the entire rest of the country to the US and much more difficult ISIS targets.

So Assad and the Russians gain a small piece of Syria and then chill letting the US ponder what to do and basically saying Mr. Assad and Russia are ready to help with the tough spots.

Thats a good plan. Russia is saying they are not in this to help Assad but they will make him a player with this limited strategy.

Thanks, Repugs!

heard neocon imperilast McLiar on NPR this morning saying he expects US occupation of Middle East and Afghanistan for many decades, like Germany, Japan,etc. He doesn't care how much occupations costs in American lives and $Ts.

[Winehole23]

Daniel Larison heaps scorn on Obama and his hawkish critics:


The truth is that the mostly hawkish objections to current Syria policy are “half-baked” and always have been. Their preferred policies are ill-conceived, short-sighted, and driven by a bizarre need to take sides in a foreign civil war in which the U.S. has nothing vital at stake. That was true in 2011, and it’s true now. Obama’s failing is not that he has dismissed these arguments out of hand or ridiculed the people making them, but that he has internalized far too many of the criticisms of his “inaction” on Syria and indulged in foolish half-measures in an unsuccessful attempt to placate hawks that will never be satisfied with anything he does. He has repeatedly caved to Syria hawks just enough to sink the U.S. into the mire of Syria’s civil war without any hope of achieving anything. The real shame of Obama’s Syria policy is not that he has mocked his hawkish detractors, but that he has made the mistake of listening to them at all.http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/obama-syria-hawks-and-foreign-policy-mumbo-jumbo/

[hater]

:lmao Ash Carter, who the fuck gave this bum a job? ahhh, ahhh, ahhh he sounds like the boss from Office Space :lol

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/07/us-mideast-crisis-usa-cooperation-idUSKCN0S11EH20151007?mod=related&channelName=worldNews

[MultiTroll]

Who are we supposed to believe as to whom Russia is or is not targeting?

Turkey Guy says:
"These air raids are not against ISIS. There were 57 air raids by Russian air forces. Fifty-five of them were against moderate opposition and only two were against Daesh, according to military information we received," Davutoglu was quoted saying by Turkey's Anadolu news agency, which reflects government thinking. Daesh is another name for ISIS.

[pgardn]

Who are we supposed to believe as to whom Russia is or is not targeting?

Turkey Guy says:
"These air raids are not against ISIS. There were 57 air raids by Russian air forces. Fifty-five of them were against moderate opposition and only two were against Daesh, according to military information we received," Davutoglu was quoted saying by Turkey's Anadolu news agency, which reflects government thinking. Daesh is another name for ISIS.

The areas of concentrated air attacks are not against ISIS not now anyway. They are directed at other rebel groups. There are way too many sources indicating this. It's not just some guy in Turkey. Turkey got their airspace invaded by Russian planes so they are hacked off.

[hater]

Who are we supposed to believe as to whom Russia is or is not targeting?

Turkey Guy says:
"These air raids are not against ISIS. There were 57 air raids by Russian air forces. Fifty-five of them were against moderate opposition and only two were against Daesh, according to military information we received," Davutoglu was quoted saying by Turkey's Anadolu news agency, which reflects government thinking. Daesh is another name for ISIS.

There is no such thing as a moderate rebel. They are all mercenaries fighting for whichever side pays best.

[m>s]

The areas of concentrated air attacks are not against ISIS not now anyway. They are directed at other rebel groups. There are way too many sources indicating this. It's not just some guy in Turkey. Turkey got their airspace invaded by Russian planes so they are hacked off.
Lmao yes goy, Russia bad! They're out of control! They want to holocaust 600 million Americans Turks and muh moderate rebels

[hater]

Maybe that's why US gives them badges. Only thing its probably hard to see the badge from a jet flying at 1,000 miles per hour and at 25,000 feet :lmao

[MultiTroll]

"Greater than 90 percent of the strikes that we've seen them take to date have not been against ISIL or Al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorists," said State Department spokesman John Kirby.

[Splits]

:lmao "moderate rebels"

[m>s]

Hey split cuck have you heard the rumors that the Kurds are contemplating joining the Assad/Russia alliance and attacking Isis supply lines from the turkish side of the border, I'm excited!!!!

[Wild Cobra]

Because this a country of cucks. You should have put the U.S.A on your cuck list.

No.

Just Obama and the democrats.

He has no real balls.

[pgardn]

Lmao yes goy, Russia bad! They're out of control! They want to holocaust 600 million Americans Turks and muh moderate rebels

WTF are you babbling incoherently about?

[Pelicans78]

The areas of concentrated air attacks are not against ISIS not now anyway. They are directed at other rebel groups. There are way too many sources indicating this. It's not just some guy in Turkey. Turkey got their airspace invaded by Russian planes so they are hacked off.

You've been way off this whole thread.

[hater]

Holy shit. ISIS has killed Irans most respected and famous general :wow

Of course this is nowhere on mainstream media. This is huge.

Stupid fucking Iranians having a general in the front lines running reconnaissance missions :lmao

Dumb motherfuckers. :lol Iranians are fucked


Mainstream media will probably pick this up in a day or two :lol

[Pelicans78]

Holy shit. ISIS has killed Irans most respected and famous general :wow

Of course this is nowhere on mainstream media. This is huge.

Stupid fucking Iranians having a general in the front lines running reconnaissance missions :lmao

Dumb motherfuckers. :lol Iranians are fucked


Mainstream media will probably pick this up in a day or two :lol

Iran's military isn't strong enough to eliminate ISIS. And yeah that was pretty stupid.

[hater]

It's the worst thing that could have happened to Iran tbh. Pathetic and embarrassing.

Only more pathetic thing is to have your ambassador killed.btw


Lets hope the guy is dead and not fallen prisoner cause the live streaming of his torture would be devastating

[hater]

Us media should pick this up as to say we were right.

[Splits]

And we've ended our training program of the "moderate rebels": http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/pentagon-program-islamic-state-syria.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Jee, I wonder why... probably because we can't find any to fucking train :lol

[Pelicans78]

It's the worst thing that could have happened to Iran tbh. Pathetic and embarrassing.

Only more pathetic thing is to have your ambassador killed.btw


Lets hope the guy is dead and not fallen prisoner cause the live streaming of his torture would be devastating

Actually it would only rile up the Iranians to go full bore against ISIS which is maybe what the Saudis and their ilk want.

[pgardn]

You've been way off this whole thread.

Do tell me how?

And then prepare to get punished.

[hater]

Seriously Iran what a bunch of incompetent fools. They basically left their general in their front lines not even kids do that when they play Civ5 :lmao

In other news the Saudis deliver 500 anti tank weapons to jihadid

[pgardn]

Us media should pick this up as to say we were right.

Why? Leave it to the reader to see the obvious.

[hater]

Why? Leave it to the reader to see the obvious.

:we are in a propaganda war. Whether you like it or not. CNN is just a voice of the CIA and Pentagon

[pgardn]

:we are in a propaganda war. Whether you like it or not. CNN is just a voice of the CIA and Pentagon

point well taken

And forget it with the CNN stuff. That's an entertainment channel for people that can't concentrate. The CIA does not need or want CNN.

[hater]

point well taken

And forget it with the CNN stuff. That's an entertainment channel for people that can't concentrate. The CIA does not need or want CNN.

I assume over 75% of Americans get their news mostly from CNN and Fox. That is a big audience.

[pgardn]

I assume over 75% of Americans get their news mostly from CNN and Fox. That is a big audience.

That love fleeting stories with no background they will soon forget.
Sometimes they have depth. But the CIA dictating what they say... Nah.
Guess they lead listeners in a direction and then just drop a story because Bruce Jenner has changed sex.

[hater]

That love fleeting stories with no background they will soon forget.
Sometimes they have depth. But the CIA dictating what they say... Nah.

Didn't say dictate. But influence yes. For example just yesterday the story about the missiles in Iran. All just based on what a US official said. No other evidence whatsoever. And today it dissapeared from their front pages.

[hater]

Hope its true: Russians just killed 2 ISIS commanders and 200 terrorists

[pgardn]

Didn't say dictate. But influence yes. For example just yesterday the story about the missiles in Iran. All just based on what a US official said. No other evidence whatsoever. And today it dissapeared from their front pages.

Disappeared might mean a football player has come out as gay and it's more entertaining.
Its good to get info directly from US govt sources because then they go on record as having lied or being inaccurate if they really are. Watergate and Ed Snowden were not broken by RT news.

[pgardn]

Hope its true: Russians just killed 2 ISIS commanders and 200 terrorists


Link?

Just so you give up some of your news sites that I never got. I wiilread and decide.

[hater]

Link?

Just so you give up some of your news sites that I never got. I wiilread and decide.

RT thus the I hope its true

[Pelicans78]

RT thus the I hope its true

RT is some good shit. Watched it for the first time in my hotel room last night.

[hater]

Link?

Just so you give up some of your news sites that I never got. I wiilread and decide.

Usually use twitter to get news. Some good sources found there like:
The guardian
Reuters
Bbc
Business insider

[Pelicans78]

RT thus the I hope its true

Loved the story they did on the 4 or 5 "rebels" being trained by the U.S. Sounds like Syria's version of the A-Team :lol

[hater]

RT is some good shit. Watched it for the first time in my hotel room last night.

Used to be great. But after the start of the Russian bombing. Lots of propaganda


Same goes for al jazera

[pgardn]

RT is some good shit. Watched it for the first time in my hotel room last night.

Well there you go.

RT definitely has no ties to the Russian government so they will be very accurate.
What a joke...

[ChumpDumper]

I assume over 75% of Americans get their news mostly from CNN and Fox. That is a big audience.That's a pretty stupid assumption.

[hater]

That's a pretty stupid assumption.

What's yours Einstein?

[pgardn]

Used to be great. But after the start of the Russian bombing. Lots of propaganda


Same goes for al jazera

Ill read al jazera US, they get some leeway.

RT is ridiculous. List the articles critical of Putin? You can find US papers critical of every politician we have.

[Pelicans78]

Used to be great. But after the start of the Russian bombing. Lots of propaganda


Same goes for al jazera

And Fox News and CNN. No one can be fully trusted.

[hater]

Ill read al jazera US, they get some leeway.

RT is ridiculous. List the articles critical of Putin? You can find US papers critical of every politician we have.

It took 4 years for US media to start critizizing us arming the terrorists. Tbh

[Pelicans78]

It took 4 years for US media to start critizizing us arming the terrorists. Tbh

Our news was cheerleading during the start of the 2nd Iraq War.

[ChumpDumper]

What's yours Einstein?That they don't.

[hater]

That they don't.

What a stupid assumption :lol

[pgardn]

Usually use twitter to get news. Some good sources found there like:
The guardian
Reuters
Bbc
Business insider

I got no problem with those except I know the Guardian is extremely liberal. BBC has become really contracted, very short aricles for the most part.

[m>s]

That's a pretty stupid assumption.
Where do you get your news

[ChumpDumper]

What a stupid assumption :lolSeeing as Fox News has maybe 3 million viewers watching its most popular show and CNN much less, it's not stupid to assume most Americans are getting their news somewhere else.

[pgardn]

It took 4 years for US media to start critizizing us arming the terrorists. Tbh

BS.

There was plenty of stuff that said arms would end up in the wrong hand just like Afghanistan. Politicians, mostly Dems, were stating this. Parts of military questioned the tactic. Think tanks in and outside of the US questioned it.

[ChumpDumper]

Where do you get your newsNot CNN or Fox for the most part.

[pgardn]

Our news was cheerleading during the start of the 2nd Iraq War.

Because you watch CNN and FOX.

[m>s]

Not CNN or Fox for the most part.
I didn't say where do you NOT get your news. I asked where DO you get your news.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't say where do you NOT get your news. I asked where DO you get your news.Internet aggregators. Radio.

[pgardn]

Internet aggregators. Radio.

Yahoo has a ton of stuff. Reuters, Christian Science Monitor, a wide variety. But then ads interspersed.

[m>s]

Internet aggregators. Radio.
which ones? you were an undercover fan of drudge all along aren't you

[hater]

Seeing as Fox News has maybe 3 million viewers watching its most popular show and CNN much less, it's not stupid to assume most Americans are getting their news somewhere else.

:lmao what a stupid logic

CNN and Fox have a combined online audience of about 100 million people per month. That's not counting the tv audience

You're an idiot :lol

[ChumpDumper]

which ones? you were an undercover fan of drudge all along aren't youNo.


:lmao what a stupid logic

CNN and Fox have a combined online audience of about 100 million people per month. That's not counting the tv audience

You're an idiot :lolSo most Americans do not get their news from those sources.

Thanks for verifying!

[m>s]

Lol why is it such a secret where you get your news? I've uncovered a new funny

[ChumpDumper]

Lol why is it such a secret where you get your news? I've uncovered a new funnyYahoo. Google. NPR. One or two Clear Channel stations.

Where do you get your news?

[hater]

Some good news. Southern rebels want to join back the regime.

Also Kurds and Russians about to form an alliance

:tu

[ChumpDumper]

Some good news. Southern rebels want to join back the regime.

Also Kurds and Russians about to form an alliance

:tuAnd where did you get this news?

[m>s]

Yahoo. Google. NPR. One or two Clear Channel stations.

Where do you get your news?
drudge and /pol/

which stations?

[ChumpDumper]

drudge and /pol/

which stations?Mostly KLBJ through the day.

lol reddit

Don't you get news directly from the ground in Europe?

[m>s]

i don't use plebbit

[ChumpDumper]

i don't use plebbitOh 4chan?

Edgy.

What about the ground in Europe?

[m>s]

i'd actually rather not disclose my current whereabouts, but yes /pol/ is the best news source around. i see stuff posted here all the time that i've known about for 3 or 4 days.

[ChumpDumper]

i'd actually rather not disclose my current whereabouts, but yes /pol/ is the best news source around. i see stuff posted here all the time that i've known about for 3 or 4 days.Lol why is it such a secret where you are? I've uncovered a new funny. Ashamed of working in Frisco.

[m>s]

Actually now that I think about it sometimes I hear about things weeks, monhs, or even years before mainstream media starts covering it. Twitter is another good source.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, you don't have to say what office park you're in. We know you never leave the Metroplex. No shame in that.

[boutons_deux]

WikiLeaks Reveals How the US Aggressively Pursued Regime Change in Syria Igniting a Bloodbath

In the case of Syria, the cables show that regime change had been a long-standing goal of US policy; that the US promoted sectarianism in support of its regime-change policy, thus helping lay the foundation for the sectarian civil war and massive bloodshed that we see in Syria today; that key components of the Bush administration's regime-change policy remained in place even as the Obama administration moved publicly toward a policy of engagement; and that the US government was much more interested in the Syrian government's foreign policy, particularly its relationship with Iran, than in human rights inside Syria.

A December 13, 2006 cable, "Influencing the SARG [Syrian government] in the End of 2006,"1 (http://www.truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/33180-wikileaks-reveals-how-the-us-aggressively-pursued-regime-change-in-syria-igniting-a-bloodbath#a1) indicates that, as far back as 2006 - five years before "Arab Spring" protests in Syria - destabilizing the Syrian government was a central motivation of US policy. The author of the cable was William Roebuck, at the time chargé d'affaires at the US embassy in Damascus. The cable outlines strategies for destabilizing the Syrian government. In his summary of the cable, Roebuck wrote:

We believe Bashar's weaknesses are in how he chooses to react to looming issues, both perceived and real, such as the conflict between economic reform steps (however limited) and entrenched, corrupt forces, the Kurdish question, and the potential threat to the regime from the increasing presence of transiting Islamist extremists. This cable summarizes our assessment of these vulnerabilities and suggests that there may be actions, statements, and signals that the USG can send that will improve the likelihood of such opportunities arising.


This cable suggests that the US goal in December 2006 was to undermine the Syrian government by any available means, and that what mattered was whether US action would help destabilize the government, not what other impacts the action might have. In public the US was in favor of economic reform, but in private the US saw conflict between economic reform and "entrenched, corrupt forces" as an "opportunity."

In public, the US was opposed to "Islamist extremists" everywhere; but in private it saw the "potential threat to the regime from the increasing presence of transiting Islamist extremists" as an "opportunity" that the US should take action to try to increase.

http://www.truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/33180-wikileaks-reveals-how-the-us-aggressively-pursued-regime-change-in-syria-igniting-a-bloodbath

[m>s]

Boutons with the goods for once

[hater]

Just got my copy of confessions of an economic hit man and it looks brutal tbh

My mind is about to be blown

[hater]

ISIS are some tough mofos. Tbh I might have underestimated them.

Apparently they had sleeper cells in Aleppo and as soon as Russians finished the other rebel forces they turned the cells on thus grabbing lots of villages next to Aleppo and even surprising the Iranian general that got killed.

These mofos are no joke. Big win for them today

[Splits]

ISIS are some tough mofos. Tbh I might have underestimated them.

Apparently they had sleeper cells in Aleppo and as soon as Russians finished the other rebel forces they turned the cells on thus grabbing lots of villages next to Aleppo and even surprising the Iranian general that got killed.

These mofos are no joke. Big win for them today

Sadaam had a professional, well trained army. It's now called IS. Shouldn't be a surprise.

[pgardn]

Of course the inevitable has occurred:

Human Rights Watch said late on Friday that the first Russian air strikes on northern Homs last month killed at least 17 civilians and should be investigated for possible violations of the laws of war.
Russian President Vladmir Putin said earlier this month that reports of civilian deaths in Russian air strikes on Syria were an "information attack".




This will be a constant, especially with the Russians using dumb bombs. (Not that our smart bombs prevented the above from happening) Putin, of course, will be launching investigations to make sure this does not happen again. Check that, this would tarnish the badass image craved by people who want to be good at something.

[pgardn]

Putin is going to send in Chechens to fight in this thing... Whoops...

Russian strikes hit northern areas of Latakia province, the coastal heartland of Assad's Alawite minority sect, as well as northern areas of Hama province further east, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
There was no immediate information on casualties.
The Observatory says Islamic State has no real presence in these areas. However, there were other militants in northern Syria, such as Chechens, that Russia might want to take out.


For the above:

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-air-strikes-target-western-syria-monitor-100809638.html

[boutons_deux]

Putin is going to send in Chechens to fight in this thing... Whoops...



no, Chechens (Muslims) are fighting there against Assad, with ISIL, and Russians would want to shutdown any Chechens.

[hater]

Ah shit.

Russian jet shot down by Turkey.

Shits about to hit the fan. Have a happy Armageddon fellas :tu

[Pelicans78]

Putin should realize this isn't the Cold War where the Soviets could do whatever they wanted. The rest of the world doesn't fear Russia the same way. You can't fly into someone's airspace and think nothing will happen. Of course the Turkish would respond. Their military is no joke.

[boutons_deux]

Turkey and US say Russian jets could be shot down

https://euobserver.com/foreign/130566

[Infinite_limit]

Putin should realize this isn't the Cold War where the Soviets could do whatever they wanted. The rest of the world doesn't fear Russia the same way. You can't fly into someone's airspace and think nothing will happen. Of course the Turkish would respond. Their military is no joke.
Sounds like Russia is the only one who wants to defeat ISIS. Everyone else (especially Turkey) is benefiting from the disarray

[Pelicans78]

Sounds like Russia is the only one who wants to defeat ISIS. Everyone else (especially Turkey) is benefiting from the disarray

Yes that is all true. But the Russians have to be careful how they operate. Shouldn't be careless flying into Turkish airspace

[hater]

Lol i think the fucking expressnews.uk made up that story about the planes. Most likely BS

Fucking expressnews worst news outlet wver

[boutons_deux]

"Russia is the only one who wants to defeat ISIS"

bullshit. USA, Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, etc all "want" to.

Russia's priority is to protect Assad, first by taking out the Syrian rebels, rather than ISIS.

[hater]

"Russia is the only one who wants to defeat ISIS"

bullshit. USA, Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, etc all "want" to.

Russia's priority is to protect Assad, first by taking out the Syrian rebels, rather than ISIS.





Bullshit. At this moment nobody wants to defeat ISIS.

The West and Sauds want Assad to go first. And the Russians and Iranians want Assad to be stable first.

[pgardn]

no, Chechens (Muslims) are fighting there against Assad, with ISIL, and Russians would want to shutdown any Chechens.




:lmao wasn't familiar with this guy. he's nuts!

"the moment the terrorists in Syria relialize that Chechen soldiers are on the way, they will get out of there"

http://gdb.rferl.org/54FCACF8-0F31-4714-8A69-E71FBE819280_mw800_mh600.jpg

https://russianavos.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/13d25a48fcb88632690f6a706700b0b4.jpg

Boots:

You post all over these threads yet can't keep up...

[pgardn]

Ah shit.

Russian jet shot down by Turkey.

Shits about to hit the fan. Have a happy Armageddon fellas :tu

Yep.

This is where things can get out of hand.
Turkey is very shaky right now and they have the capability to do more sophisticated military acts.
Turkey is finding out all the ill will they have sowed is coming back to haunt them.
Trouble with ISIS, trouble withe the Kurds, and internal political problems... Possible powder keg country.

[boutons_deux]

Boots:

You post all over these threads yet can't keep up...

I "kept up" with the yahoo article: " Chechens, that Russia might want to take out."

Russia wants to take out (Muslim) Chechens in Syria, just as Russia "took out", destroyed rebelling Muslim Chechens in Chechnya a few years ago. try to keep up. Muslims along Russia southern border are a major concern for Moscow.

http://www.chechensinsyria.com/?tag=isis

[boutons_deux]

Putin signs decree drafting 150,000 conscripts into the Russian military

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3255876/Russia-pouring-gasoline-fire-Syria-s-civil-war-says-America-Putin-defies-West-drops-bombs-non-ISIS-forces-fighting-Assad.html

thanks, Repugs!

[hater]

Good news today. Assad forces liberate several villages from al quaeda thanks to Russian bombings :tu

[m>s]

Good news today. Assad forces liberate several villages from al quaeda thanks to Russian bombings :tu

i'm hearing lots of panic in the radio chatter from the IS side.

[pgardn]

I "kept up" with the yahoo article: " Chechens, that Russia might want to take out."

Russia wants to take out (Muslim) Chechens in Syria, just as Russia "took out", destroyed rebelling Muslim Chechens in Chechnya a few years ago. try to keep up. Muslims along Russia southern border are a major concern for Moscow.

http://www.chechensinsyria.com/?tag=isis

No.
Keep up with the assertions on THIS board...

I know this, look at what was posted.

[pgardn]

The Place Not To Be:

In a Syrian tank...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/did-us-weapons-supplied-to-syrian-rebels-draw-russia-into-the-conflict/2015/10/11/268ce566-6dfc-11e5-91eb-27ad15c2b723_story.html

[spurraider21]

Putin signs decree drafting 150,000 conscripts into the Russian military

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3255876/Russia-pouring-gasoline-fire-Syria-s-civil-war-says-America-Putin-defies-West-drops-bombs-non-ISIS-forces-fighting-Assad.html

thanks, Repugs!
thanks obama

[boutons_deux]

thanks obama

nope, all the M/E shit is: THANKS, REPUGS!

And we'll see how you dickless Putin-fellators adore Macho Man Putin when he fails to stabilize the Repugs' M/E shithole or to save Assad.

[spurraider21]

nope, all the M/E shit is: THANKS, REPUGS!

And we'll see how you dickless Putin-fellators adore Macho Man Putin when he fails to stabilize the Repugs' M/E shithole or to save Assad.
i'm referring to the "thanks obama meme"

you do the same thing but with republicans

except you dont mean it as a joke. which ironically, makes it funnier

[boutons_deux]

Thanks, Repugs, unironically, just in case you rightwingnuts forget how badly the Repugs fucked up the USA, fucked up the Middle East. As far the fuckups have been permanent. Thanks, Repugs.

Who is surprised that the party that HATES, WANTS TO DESTROY GOVT (to benefit the oligarchy), says NOTHING good (for the 99%) can come from govt, doesn't GAF about governing, can't govern?

The post-1960s, post-NIXON, VRWC (aka euphemistically "movement conservatism"), has really achieved amazing success in fucking up everything.

[m>s]

So the UK just gave their pilots permission to engage Russian planesif "threatened." EU just threatened Russia to immediately cease bombing rebels. CIA just re supplied rebels overnight with cargo planes. Tons of ammunition and supplies.

>That feeling when you shitpost about its happening and then when it really happens you were just kidding.

this really sucks guys, we are screwed

[m>s]

SAA is making advances all over the place and systematically taking back villages and towns. The radio communications on the IS side are in panic. This is why the USA and allies are flipping out.

[hater]

:lmao USA has resorted to dropshipping tons of weapons to whoever takes it in Syria

Fucking criminals

[boutons_deux]

seems like the west is not interested in gettin rid of isis...lmao

and the Taliban controls nearly as much Afghan territory now as it did in 2001.

not won't get rid of, but CAN'T get rid of

[hater]

Thanks obama

[pgardn]

SAA is making advances all over the place and systematically taking back villages and towns. The radio communications on the IS side are in panic. This is why the USA and allies are flipping out.


Take the metal pot off your head.

[m>s]

http://youtu.be/SfW7L9vr7M0

[m>s]

SAA battle for northern Hama


http://youtu.be/nMAIRDYz8nM

[pgardn]

Hama is not controlled by ISIS

This is a synopsis of what is going on by most reputable sources:

Russia is intensifying its bombing of rebel positions so that the Syrians can retake their most important Western cities. These rebels are a mish mash of Al quaeda and other factions backed by various ME entities (Saudi Arabia and it's group). The Saudis are giving these NON ISIS rebels US made TOW missiles which are being used to hit Syrian tanks and other armored vehicles. The US is not telling Saudi Arabia to stop this so now we have a proxy war. The UN sees this and realizes this is all very bad for civilians who are in the crossfire of all groups and has called for a meeting.

The major fighting the Russians are aiding IS NOT AGAINST ISIS.
Read something of value please.

[hater]

The Russians are smart at saying this fight is vs ISIS. I think they really mean to fight ISIS but they first need to stabilize the Assad regime areas. They are fighting back to take over the main Syrian highway and all cities connected to it.

I don't understand how US media and other idiots don't realize this strategy. It's fucking simple.

Dumb shits

[m>s]

Hama is not controlled by ISIS

This is a synopsis of what is going on by most reputable sources:

Russia is intensifying its bombing of rebel positions so that the Syrians can retake their most important Western cities. These rebels are a mish mash of Al quaeda and other factions backed by various ME entities (Saudi Arabia and it's group). The Saudis are giving these NON ISIS rebels US made TOW missiles which are being used to hit Syrian tanks and other armored vehicles. The US is not telling Saudi Arabia to stop this so now we have a proxy war. The UN sees this and realizes this is all very bad for civilians who are in the crossfire of all groups and has called for a meeting.

The major fighting the Russians are aiding IS NOT AGAINST ISIS.
Read something of value please.lol admitting the rebels are al Qaeda. Russia has every reason to be bombing them tbh.

[m>s]

The Russians are smart at saying this fight is vs ISIS. I think they really mean to fight ISIS but they first need to stabilize the Assad regime areas. They are fighting back to take over the main Syrian highway and all cities connected to it.

I don't understand how US media and other idiots don't realize this strategy. It's fucking simple.

Dumb shits
Believe me they understand completely

[pgardn]

lol admitting the rebels are al Qaeda. Russia has every reason to be bombing them tbh.

Admitting?
Read the Fn papers.

The rebels that are fighting Assad are a quite varied group. The groups that have the TOWs are not al Qaeda. The US has basically said to the Russians, ok, you want Assad to stay in, then we will not get in the way of letting Saudi Arabia arm rebels to kill Syrian armor. This is a bad thing for civilians because the interjection of the weapons means the rebels will counter the Russian bombing/Syrian moving in with ground to ground missiles. TOWs can be shot at a good distance away and wipe out armored vehicles. This makes the Russians job tougher so the fighting will get more intense. More widespread bombing more dead civilians.

But why do you care? You just want dead Arabs, you are getting this. You should be happy. Both the US and Russia are aiding in the death of darker skinned people. Cheers.

[pgardn]

The Russians are smart at saying this fight is vs ISIS. I think they really mean to fight ISIS but they first need to stabilize the Assad regime areas. They are fighting back to take over the main Syrian highway and all cities connected to it.

I don't understand how US media and other idiots don't realize this strategy. It's fucking simple.

Dumb shits

They do. It's already been suggested.

Why should the Russians engage ISIS if they get Assad stabilized? That's time to chill and make deals with the US and the West to help get rid of ISIS for them and possibly let Assad run the whole thing again. There is no way the Syrian Army can defeat ISIS without infinitely more help than they are getting now, No way. Not to mention the fact that the task of getting parts of Syria back to Assad has just become much more difficult. The Saudis have 14,000 TOW missiles. Reports have them giving the rebels 400 and no more until they get the used casing back. So far these missiles have been unexpectedly deadly. The Syrians are getting toasted in their armor. It's going to get nastier before it gets better.

More dead civilians, more displaced civilians.

[hater]

Apparently US backed Kurds are razing villages. Fucking animals.

And US just dropped tons of weapons to them....

[pgardn]

Apparently US backed Kurds are razing villages. Fucking animals.

And US just dropped tons of weapons to them....

Yet another player.
The Kurd military arm in Turkey is on the US terrorist list.

[pgardn]

Apparently US backed Kurds are razing villages. Fucking animals.

And US just dropped tons of weapons to them....

Most of these poor folks in the villages have to back the most recent occupier. They are forced to give the fighters food supplies, etc... Then when the next group comes in, they get used again or killed if it's a well fed militia with evidence the inhabitants aided the most recent occupier.

[pgardn]

why doesnt syria just open a can of whoop ass and go direct to the source? attack saudis? instead of going after the small fry fighters in its country?

The Saudi Air Force is one of the best in the world. The have US trained pilots and top of the line planes.
And, Assad can't even win back his own country, the vast majority of his military is gone. The civil war has basically ruined Syria. Saudi Arabia was one of the few Arab countries that did not really see any sort of Arab Spring. Their secret police are effective, and their people are fat and happy for the most part. If you follow the rules, you will get taken care of in that country.

[m>s]

why doesnt syria just open a can of whoop ass and go direct to the source? attack saudis? instead of going after the small fry fighters in its country?
Not enough military strength honestly, we did a number on them. They need to just focus on taking back Syria.

[hater]

The sauds have the protection of Israel and the USA. No way anyone fucks with them.

The Iranians are the only ones that stand up to them and they are being attacked for it. Sauda basically rule the world

[pgardn]

Apparently US backed Kurds are razing villages. Fucking animals.

And US just dropped tons of weapons to them....

http://news.yahoo.com/u-airdrops-ammunition-syria-rebels-002641561.html

[RandomGuy]

The historical Caliphate, and the calls for and about that idea are very relevant to understanding ISIS and muslim extremism in general.

Why do you think recruiting tactics and cultural norms used by Daeshisn't relevant?


As relevant as the Holy Medieval Crusades tbqh

Flawed analogy.

The Caliphate was a real country, not a series of invasions, and the barbarism in the crusades doesn't inspire nearly the way a grand center of learning and prosperity does.

Since your analogy has failed, you have yet to tell me why the actual recruiting tactics and cultural norms used by Daesh isn't relevant. I am assuming you can string together a coherent argument typing on a tiny keyboard on your phone, kid.

[RandomGuy]

Apparently US backed Kurds are razing villages. Fucking animals.

And US just dropped tons of weapons to them....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34511134

There is your link. You're welcome.

[RandomGuy]

Apparently US backed Kurds are razing villages. Fucking animals.

And US just dropped tons of weapons to them....

And we will have to address that, and bear some responsibility. This is a nasty war. Still, on balance, I would prefer the side razing villages to the one leaving ditches full of bodies, if I had to choose.

[hater]

Flawed analogy.

The Caliphate was a real country, not a series of invasions, and the barbarism in the crusades doesn't inspire nearly the way a grand center of learning and prosperity does.

Since your analogy has failed, you have yet to tell me why the actual recruiting tactics and cultural norms used by Daesh isn't relevant. I am assuming you can string together a coherent argument typing on a tiny keyboard on your phone, kid.


LOL never head of the Kingdom of Jerusalem I see...

Come back when you do your homework kid :lol

[pgardn]

http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-battles-insurgents-near-aleppo-army-prepares-112320818.html

For those who want to get a better feel for Syrian military adventures.

The US, it appears by many accounts, is directly opposing Russian and Iranian ventures by giving non ISIS rebels aid. We are now witnessing a proxy war. Russia shows off its military capabilities with its technology, we give the rebels TOW missiles to destroy Syrians manning Russian tanks. The Iranians and Hezbollah, on the other hand, are apparently willing to have their people die for Assad on the ground. I don't think you will see Russian troops on the ground in numbers playing significant military roles because they will die, and it will be made public. Putin does not like to look bad in public, remove shirt please and swim in cold water...

For those of you thinking China would enter this mess, we got nada. As expected.

[hater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRSUqeHUAAADbhS.jpg

[pgardn]

http://i61.tinypic.com/5d9noj.jpg

[RandomGuy]

LOL never head of the Kingdom of Jerusalem I see...

Come back when you do your homework kid :lol

(shrugs) It still fails, sorry. The "Kingdom of Jerusalem" is not a romantic ideal to Christians the way the Caliphate is to a large section of the muslim population.

Anything else you want to desperately cobble together?

Honestly not even sure you have a coherent idea yet. Do you actually have a point about Daesh's recruiting tactics or not?

[RandomGuy]

Iran's military isn't strong enough to eliminate ISIS. And yeah that was pretty stupid.

Iran has sufficient military strength to do so, if it chose to fully wade in. It lacks the will to do so, as of yet. It is a swamp that even the Iranians aren't itching to go full tilt into, despite their military commitment so far. The full scale invasion required though, would have a host of ramifications that they aren't prepared to accept.

Don't confuse capability with willingness to use that capability.

[RandomGuy]

Not enough military strength honestly, we did a number on them. They need to just focus on taking back Syria.

Found that list of 30 countries yet?

[RandomGuy]

"Russia is making a strategic mistake" - Obama when asked if Putin is outsmarting him

:lmao :lol :lol :lmao :lmao

There is a case for overplaying your hand, as Russia seems set to do.

The problem with autocratic leaders like Putin, is that they have no advisors that are willing to tell them their own limits, or potential flaws in their thinking.

(shrugs)

I guess we will get to see.

[Infinite_limit]

There is a case for overplaying your hand, as Russia seems set to do.

The problem with autocratic leaders like Putin, is that they have no advisors that are willing to tell them their own limits, or potential flaws in their thinking.

(shrugs)

I guess we will get to see.
Putin will manipulate the West into dropping Economic Sanctions. Nationalistic nations don't mind sacrificing bodies for the long term improvement

[RandomGuy]

It was observed by 30 countries and found to be legit, fail


including legislators and dignitaries from Iran

:lmao

The Guardian reported on 17 June 2009 that an Iranian news website identified at least 30 polling sites with turnout over 100% and 200 sites with turnout over 95%.[104] On 21 June 2009, a spokesman from the Guardian Council (an organ of the Iranian government) stated that the number of votes cast exceeded the number of eligible voters in no more than 50 cities


employee of the Interior Ministry claiming that "the government had been preparing its fraud for weeks, purging anyone of doubtful loyalty and importing pliable staff members from around the country."[55]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election,_2009#cite_note-york-52

:rollin

Yeah, that government's opinion of elections is worth a shit... :lmao

I think this is where I left off making fun of m>s list of "countries" that found Syria's elections legit.

[RandomGuy]

Its all public knowledge dude

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

You can start here. See if you can find the 30 countries that you claim said "Syria's elections were legit". Read carefully.

[hater]

(shrugs) It still fails, sorry. The "Kingdom of Jerusalem" is not a romantic ideal to Christians the way the Caliphate is to a large section of the muslim population.


:lmao the whole reason of the Kingdom of Jerusalem was to protect the Holy land from "infidels" and therefore gain the grace of God for the European populace. :lmao


that is as romantic as it gets. :lol read a book for a change damn

[pgardn]

Putin will manipulate the West into dropping Economic Sanctions. Nationalistic nations don't mind sacrificing bodies for the long term improvement

Nationalistic countries that can't feed there own people, and are corrupt to the core, can't dictate much to anyone. Except militarily. The Soviets were brought to their knees economically, the same can happen to Russia. The system is rotten. And Putin had shown he won't fix the most fundamental problems the Russians have, which is internal. The US is not Russia's deepest problem. Russia herself is her own problem. Good luck with that diverse economy and all those new ideas.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao the whole reason of the Kingdom of Jerusalem was to protect the Holy land from "infidels" and therefore gain the grace of God for the European populace. :lmao


that is as romantic as it gets. :lol read a book for a change damn


http://dumpcast.com/wp-content/uploads/Funny-Facepalm-Collection-Pic-6.jpeg

okaaaay. (sighs heavily)

So what? What does it mean? How is it relevant?

jesus jumped up christ on a stick trying to get you to rub two thoughts together is like trying to get... aw fuck it. You go with your bad self.

[pgardn]

For those of you who see a close alliance between Syria's Assad, Iran, and Russia:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/syria-leader-assad-seeks-russian-protection-from-ally-iran-a-1056263.html

Nothing is ever clear cut in this region. And religious loyalty cannot be excluded from a understanding of the situation.

[m>s]

Lol spiegel. Divide and conquer, information warfare

[Infinite_limit]

Nationalistic countries that can't feed there own people, and are corrupt to the core, can't dictate much to anyone. Except militarily. The Soviets were brought to their knees economically, the same can happen to Russia. The system is rotten. And Putin had shown he won't fix the most fundamental problems the Russians have, which is internal. The US is not Russia's deepest problem. Russia herself is her own problem. Good luck with that diverse economy and all those new ideas.
Nationalistic countries by definition & practice have higher thresholds. American led sanctions are viewed by the natives as external attack.

Ultimately, even you would have taken 16 years of Putin instead of GWB & Obama. Now Putin or Hillary/Bernie/Trump/Bush?

I recognize that such power turns dangerous when leadership is reckless or sloppy but I have to give Putin solid support. No-way in 2000 would you have believed Russia being in this position of influence. Life after Putin might be ugly.

Current day biggest problem to Russia is NATO. I do admit Putin sees his tenure coming to an end in most likely the next Decade so he wants to set a strong foundation. "Rescuing Syria" would go a big way.


EDIT: American best days are during competition. Returning to Multi-Super Power climate is better