US checkmated in Syria. Chinese warships joining Russian forces in Syria.

[cheguevara]

CHECKMATE

US failure vs ISIS has put the nail in the coffin. The Russians lost patience and are moving in, apparently they have formed an alliance with Iraq, Syria, Iran and now China seems to joining in. Not to mention Germany has just thrown their hat in support of Russian forces.

:lol NATO

no wonder recently US decided to go all in this hand and shipped loads of nuclear weapons to Germany.

Shit seems to be going down... IMO US might possibly take this as a loss and regroup. Because if they push their hand on this one, all hell could break lose.

Lebanese Radio: Chinese Military May Get Involved in Syria Alongside Russia, Iran
Reuters has reported last week that Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif wants China’s help in resolving tensions and unrest in the Middle East and is ready to play host to more Chinese firms once sanctions against it are lifted. “China and Iran find mutual benefits in many areas,” Zarif told his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, at a meeting in Beijing.

INDEPENDENT MEDIA | Chinese Military Experts and Troop Deployment to Syria : Joint Russian-Chinese Development

The situation is heating up in Syria yet again. If reports coming from Almasdar News are accurate, another troop deployment will soon be about to take place – in addition to the 2,000 Russian troops who arrived earlier this week. This time, however, the troops are coming from China. Leith Fadel of Almasdar News (the Arab Source), reported that China has now decided to commit troops and military aircraft to Syria within the next six weeks. Although the reports have not been independently confirmed, the outlet cited a senior Syrian officer in the Syrian military for the claims regarding the Chinese plans. Fadel’s information has proven accurate many times in the past.
On Tuesday, September 22, 2015, early morning, a Chinese naval vessel reportedly traveled through Egypt’s Suez Canal to enter the Mediterranean Sea; its destination was not confirmed.However, according to a senior officer in the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) that is stationed inside the Syrian coastal city of Latakia, Chinese military personnel and aerial assets are scheduled to arrive in the coming weeks (6 weeks) to the port-city of Tartous – he could not provide anymore detail.

http://www.indrastra.com/2015/09/IM-Chinese-Military-Experts-Troops-Deployment-to-Syria-251.html

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-djc6Y4NRJtM/Vgaoflz_azI/AAAAAAAAEXU/IH5QPWvmfKw/s640/Soliders_of_PLA_China.JPG

[cheguevara]

while Russia builds bases in Syria and makes alliances with Iraq, Iran and China this is what the US is up to:

U.S.-backed Syrian rebels gave gear to al-Qaeda group

U.S.-trained rebels in Syria handed over American-supplied vehicles and ammunition to an al-Qaeda linked group, the Pentagon said Friday in the latest blow to a program plagued by problems since its inception.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[cheguevara]

The U.S. military said 70 rebels entered Syria on Monday to fight the Islamic State. They handed over the equipment almost immediately after entering the country.

:lol :lol :lmao

[cheguevara]

The initial plan called for training more than 5,000 rebels per year. It hasn't met expectations. The first group of about 50 fighters entered Syria in July but came under immediate attack. Most of the initial force disbursed or was killed, leaving only a handful to fight.

:lol

[cheguevara]

goddam :lol

Last Wednesday, General Lloyd Austin, head of US Central Command, shocked leaders in the US Senate's armed services committee when he said there were only handful of programme graduates still fighting inside Syria. "We're talking four or five," he said.

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:lol

$500 million dollar program :lol

[boutons_deux]

Repugs created that Middle East shit pile, let other countries try to clean it up.

Thanks, Repugs! and US/UK BigOil is still pumping it out of Iraq. Russia's LUKOIL also in there, providing some motivation why Russia wants Assad in power and ISIS dead.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-12/iraq-boosts-oil-output-to-all-time-high-in-july-iea-says

[cheguevara]

Most likely Syria will end up partitioned like Yugoslavia. I have a suspicion Putin will allude to this Monday at the UN.

There is no other viable solution:

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/marc-champion-partitioning-syria-may-not-be-ideal-but-perhaps-inevitable

Iran would want a friendly regime dominated by Alawites (a Muslim religious minority with connectionsto Shiite Islam) to control Damascus and a secure corridor from the capital’s airport to Lebanon. Russia would want to know that its naval base at Tartus was secure, and that Syria as a whole would become neither a Sunni Islamist state nor a U.S. protectorate. Saudi Arabia would have to see Hezbollah leave Syria and Iran’s influence squeezed. Israel would need to be sure the Syrian side of the Golan Heights wouldn’t become a new playground for Hezbollah. Turkey would want a Sunni entity to control Aleppo and the north, and Kurdish autonomy limited.

Meeting all those requirements through partition would be tortuous. Without partition, though, an international consensus would be impossible. That, says Balanche, is why the rash of diplomatic initiatives on Syria that have emerged since the Iran nuclear deal “are rubbish.”

[cheguevara]

:wow

With Erdogan expanding Turkey’s influence in Syria and ambitions to reconstitute the “Turkic world from the Adriatic Sea to the Great Wall” of China, should SCO aspirant member Syria request aid and grant permission, China can indeed march its troops across the Silk Road to “take the fight to ETIM before threat grows.”

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/09/china-in-syria-ready-to-join-russia-in.html


shits going down while Obama plays golf:
- Russia, Iran, Turkey, Saudi, Israel, China all going for the power play

[boutons_deux]

Will US Grasp Putin’s Syria Lifeline?

The neocons’ obsession with “regime change” in Syria is driving another one of Official Washington’s “group thinks” toward rejecting Russia’s offer to help stabilize the war-torn country and stem the destabilizing flood of refugees into Europe,

Russian President Vladimir Putin has thrown U.S. policymakers what amounts to a lifeline to pull them out of the quicksand that is the Syrian war, but Official Washington’s neocons and the mainstream U.S. news media are growling about Putin’s audacity and challenging his motives.

For instance, The New York Times’ lead editorial (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/opinion/mr-putins-mixed-messages-on-syria.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0) on Monday accused Putin of “dangerously building up Russia’s military presence” in Syria, even though Putin’s stated goal is to help crush the Sunni jihadists in the Islamic State and other extremist movements.

The dreamy Times/neocon prescription continues to be that “regime change” in Damascus would finally lead to the emergence of the mythical “moderate” rebels who would somehow prevail over the far more numerous and far better armed extremists. This perspective ignores the fact that after a $500 million training project for these “moderates,” the U.S. military says four or five fighters are now on the battlefield inside Syria.

In other words, the members of this U.S.-trained brigade can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

Bush’s Unaccounted-for Cash

Further complicating Official Washington’s let’s-blame-Putin Syrian narrative is the unintended role of President George W. Bush and the U.S. military in laying the groundwork for these brutal Sunni extremist movements through the invasion of Iraq last decade. After all, it was only in reaction to the U.S. military presence that “Al Qaeda in Iraq” took root in Iraqi and then Syrian territory.

Not only did the ouster and execution of Sunni leader Saddam Hussein alienate the region’s Sunnis, but Bush’s desperation to avert an outright military defeat in Iraq during his second term led him to authorize the payment of billions of dollars to Sunni fighters to get them to stop shooting at American soldiers and to give Bush time to negotiate a U.S. troop withdrawal.

Beginning in 2006, those U.S. payments to Sunni fighters to get them to suspend their resistance were central to what was then called the “Sunni Awakening.” Though the program preceded Bush’s “surge” of troops in 2007, the bought-and-paid-for truce became central to what Official Washington then hailed as the “successful surge” or “victory at last.”

Besides the billions of dollars paid out in pallets of U.S. cash to Sunni insurgents, Bush’s “surge” cost the lives of another 1,000 U.S. soldiers and killed a countless number of Iraqis, many just going about their daily lives until they were blown apart by powerful American munitions. [See, for example, the “Collateral Murder (https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/)” video leaked by Pvt. Bradley/Chelsea Manning]

But what the U.S. intelligence community is only now assessing is the collateral damage caused by the bribes that the Bush administration paid to Sunni insurgents. Some of the cash appears to have become seed money for the transformation of “Al Qaeda in Iraq” into the Islamic State as Sunnis, who continued to be disenfranchised by Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government, expanded their sectarian war into Syria.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/22/will-us-grasp-putins-syria-lifeline/

[cheguevara]

Repugs created that Middle East shit pile, let other countries try to clean it up.

Thanks, Repugs! and US/UK BigOil is still pumping it out of Iraq. Russia's LUKOIL also in there, providing some motivation why Russia wants Assad in power and ISIS dead.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-12/iraq-boosts-oil-output-to-all-time-high-in-july-iea-says


Obama has much to be blamed for in the recent years. He took out Ghadafi and left Lybia in shambles and he actually believed the plan to train "moderate" rebels to take out Assad and "free" Syria was going to work :lol

this plan is almost as bad as W Bush's plan to send trained monkeys to fight in Iraq :lol

[m>s]

What a joke the USA has become

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, Assad must really be struggling to need all this help.

[m>s]

.

[m>s]

Damn, Assad must really be struggling to need all this help.
I think Isis struggled first needing all that USA help

[ChumpDumper]

I think Isis struggled first needing all that USA helplol another conspiracy.

It's not like the rebels were an established country or anything. Maybe Assad shoulda kept that poison gas.

[hater]

goddam :lol

Last Wednesday, General Lloyd Austin, head of US Central Command, shocked leaders in the US Senate's armed services committee when he said there were only handful of programme graduates still fighting inside Syria. "We're talking four or five," he said.

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:lol

$500 million dollar program :lol

:lmao holy shit :lol :lol is this for real????


This sounds like the plot to a Naked Gun movie :lmao

Or Hot Shits part Deux :lmao

Holy fuck :lmao what an embarrassment

[hater]

Damn, Assad must really be struggling to need all this help.


Looks like it. So was Obama btw. Both Assad and Obama getting their shit pushed in. Putin says enough :lol

[m>s]

lol another conspiracy.

It's not like the rebels were an established country or anything. Maybe Assad shoulda kept that poison gas.
Lmao "rebels." Another conspiracy.

[ChumpDumper]

Looks like it. So was Obama btw. Both Assad and Obama getting their shit pushed in. Putin says enough :lolWhat military force is taking over Obama's country?

[ChumpDumper]

Lmao "rebels." Another conspiracy.They were all rebels against the Syrian government. Where is the conspiracy here?

[hater]

Actually Obama is doing way worse. Down to 4 or 5 guys :lmao :lmao

[m>s]

They were all rebels against the Syrian government. Where is the conspiracy here?
they were always radical jihadis. everyone knew this except you. the narrative just fell apart over time. people were saying that al qaeda and isis were there back in 2011 and you people were like "nuh uh, muh moderate rebels muh john mccain." back when people were denying this i was the one posting the photo evidence of isis flags flying all over syria. you're a joke and not on my level at all. take your unsubstantiated lies and shove it up your ass.

[m>s]

What military force is taking over Obama's country?
militant homosexuality and leftism

[m>s]

not to mention the 100,000 future jihadists he wants to let in

[ChumpDumper]

they were always radical jihadis. everyone knew this except you. the narrative just fell apart over time. people were saying that al qaeda and isis were there back in 2011 and you people were like "nuh uh, muh moderate rebels muh john mccain." back when people were denying this i was the one posting the photo evidence of isis flags flying all over syria. you're a joke and not on my level at all. take your unsubstantiated lies and shove it up your ass.


militant homosexuality and leftism


not to mention the 100,000 future jihadists he wants to let inlol conspiracies abound!

:crymuh level:cry

[m>s]

prove that there were ever any "moderates" of any decent amount in syria. i'll wait.

i posted the isis flags over syrian buildings back in 2011 at the start of this, i posted the whistleblowers and insiders telling the truth all the way back then. you're a fraud and i'm here to kick your ass. the truth will triumph over your kike lies.

[ChumpDumper]

prove that there were ever any "moderates" of any decent amount in syria. i'll wait.lol already moving the goalposts.

[m>s]

that's not moving the goal posts at all. my position is the same, the moderate rebels thing was always a lie. they were never any sizable amount of the opposition. it was always Assad vs terrorists and it's only grown more apparent over time.

[ChumpDumper]

Who ever thought the moderates were a huge force?

Link.

[m>s]

Who ever thought the moderates were a huge force?

Link.

you called it a conspiracy that the USA was helping isis. you really think the USA was giving all this money and aid to a group of 5 people on the ground? :lmao you dolt, they were originally calling isis "moderate rebels" before it came out that they were violent extremists.

[m>s]

these people we were supposedly aiding were never any force at all to begin with the even the US govt isn't that dumb. they were giving aid to terrorists and got caught with their pants down.

[ChumpDumper]

you called it a conspiracy that the USA was helping isis. you really think the USA was giving all this money and aid to a group of 5 people on the ground? :lmao you dolt, they were originally calling isis "moderate rebels" before it came out that they were violent extremists.Now it was five people to begin with!

Conspiracy!

[ChumpDumper]

these people we were supposedly aiding were never any force at all to begin with the even the US govt isn't that dumb. they were giving aid to terrorists and got caught with their pants down.Yes, because you say they are that stupid.

Conspiracy!

[m>s]

Now it was five people to begin with!

Conspiracy!
it was never very many that's for sure. definitely not enough to topple the assad government and hold that much territory, fighting back isis. our government knew that and so do you.

[ChumpDumper]

it was never very many that's for sure. definitely not enough to topple the assad government and hold that much territory, fighting back isis. our government knew that and so do you.How many people does it take to topple a government?

[m>s]

How many people does it take to topple a government?
Probably 3% of the population, or about 780,000 in Syrias case. There case was unique because it was two front. In order to both beat Assad AND keep any of there territory from falling into Isis hands it would take more.

[m>s]

Sadly all 780k plus extra just showed up in Germany. Fleeing conscription like cowards.

[ChumpDumper]

Probably 3% of the population, or about 780,000 in Syrias case. There case was unique because it was two front. In order to both beat Assad AND keep any of there territory from falling into Isis hands it would take more.And how did you arrive at the 3% number?

Have at least that number left the country?

[ChumpDumper]

Sadly all 780k plus extra just showed up in Germany. Fleeing conscription like cowards.Would you allow yourself to be drafted by Obama right now?

[m>s]

And how did you arrive at the 3% number?

Have at least that number left the country?

that's historically been around the number needed, that was how many people took up arms in the revolutionary war.

[ChumpDumper]

that's historically been around the number neededDo you have a link for that?

[m>s]

Would you allow yourself to be drafted by Obama right now?
apples and oranges comparison. my country isn't being invaded by terrorists. silently but not overtly like in syria anyway. if obama tried to conscript me it would be for another bogus offensive overseas war, not a defensive one to protect the us mainland.

[m>s]

Do you have a link for that?

yeah just google the american revolutionary war. actually 3% is the lowest example i could think of, most other historical revolutions required more than that. but syria would need at LEAST that many to even have a snowball's chance. we knew that there were never anywhere near a million "moderate rebels." they just wanted assad gone so they started handing out weapons to anyone who would use them.

[ChumpDumper]

apples and oranges comparison. my country isn't being invaded by terrorists. silently but not overtly like in syria anyway. if obama tried to conscript me it would be for another bogus offensive overseas war, not a defensive one to protect the us mainland.What does Assad do for the moderate Syrian that would make him want to defend his regime?

[ChumpDumper]

yeah just google the american revolutionary war. actually 3% is the lowest example i could think of, most other historical revolutions required more than that. but syria would need at LEAST that many to even have a snowball's chance. we knew that there were never anywhere near a million "moderate rebels." they just wanted assad gone so they started handing out weapons to anyone who would use them.So you don't have a link for that.

[m>s]

What does Assad do for the moderate Syrian that would make him want to defend his regime?
offered stability, relative prosperity, and safety while he was in power. christians could live in syria in peace before all of this, once isis showed up they started throwing them off buildings.

[m>s]

So you don't have a link for that.

hater already posted one, we gave weapons and they were delivered directly to al nusra. we literally hand out weapons to anyone who will use them in hopes that assad will fall.

[ChumpDumper]

offered stability, relative prosperity, and safety while he was in power. christians could live in syria in peace before all of this, once isis showed up they started throwing them off buildings.Offered repression, imprisonment, torture and disappearances.


hater already posted oneWhere?

[m>s]

Offered repression, imprisonment, torture and disappearances.

of isis terrorists...

[ChumpDumper]

of isis terrorists...And others. Don't be stupid.

[angrydude]

Who ever thought the moderates were a huge force?

Link.

John McCain, Joe Liebermann, and Lindsey Graham thought there were enough to "tip the military balance decisively against Assad"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mccain-lieberman-and-graham-the-risks-of-inaction-in-syria/2012/08/05/4a63585c-dd91-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story.html

[ChumpDumper]

John McCain, Joe Liebermann, and Lindsey Graham thought there were enough to "tip the military balance decisively against Assad"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mccain-lieberman-and-graham-the-risks-of-inaction-in-syria/2012/08/05/4a63585c-dd91-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story.htmlI wouldn't doubt they thought that at all.

[m>s]

And others. Don't be stupid.
Not really, based assads support today is higher than ever in the areas they still control. Saving them from the Isis barbarians.

[ChumpDumper]

Not reallyReall, He imprisoned civil rights lawyers for being critical of the regime.
based assads support today is higher than ever in the areas they still control. Saving them from the Isis barbarians.How many people are still in Syria?

[m>s]

Not too sure, that's a dumb question

[ChumpDumper]

Not too sure, that's a dumb questionIt's actually a pretty good question. I've seen the number of refugees that left Syria at 4.5 million.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11891219/Refugee-crisis-Many-migrants-falsely-claim-to-be-Syrians-Germany-says-as-EU-tries-to-ease-tensions.html

I'll have to see how many have been displaced internally.

[m>s]

It's not assads fault, blame the terrorists and USA

[ChumpDumper]

It's not assads fault, blame the terrorists and USAProbably shouldn't have been such a bad leader in the first place. That's his fault. Now he has to beg Russia to save him.

[m>s]

He wasn't a bad leader, the cia tried to use the same tricks they've done in the Arab spring/Ukraine but it didn't work this time.

[m>s]

Name one thing Assad did wrong besides arresting some guy who was working with western NGOs to overthrow the legitimate government?

[ChumpDumper]

Name one thing Assad did wrong besides arresting some guy who was working with western NGOs to overthrow the legitimate government?lol one thing

Are you serious?

[m>s]

Yeah name some stuff he did wrong so I can debunk it

[ChumpDumper]

Knock yourself out:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/236834.pdf

[boutons_deux]

Russia sets up intelligence hub in Baghdad (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c26af216-6465-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fh ome_us%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct)
ft.com

[m>s]

No name some specific things he did wrong im not wasting my time with a government shill pdf. Same ppl I already told you are lying.

[ChumpDumper]

No name some specific things he did wrong im not wasting my time with a government shill pdf. Same ppl I already told you are lying.They listed stuff quite well.

Debunking everything should be a piece of cake for you.

Go ahead.

[m>s]

Lol you seriously don't know anything that Assad did wrong so you looked up a state doc lazy ass. Go read it and tell me what's on it that Assad did wrong.

[hater]

Lol you seriously don't know anything that Assad did wrong so you looked up a state doc lazy ass. Go read it and tell me what's on it that Assad did wrong.

:lol

[velik_m]

Because the last time the Russia had a foreign intervention fighting religious insurgents it went so great for them...

[pgardn]

Chinese warships... Do these things drive on land Che?

Russia is climbing into a pile o shit. Assad's people are getting the hell out, he has barely any army left. If they try and prop up this guy for an extended period a lot more Russian mothers are going to be asking Putin what happened to their sons. Since apparently a number of Russian soldiers just randomly wandered into Ukraine and died.

Should be bloody interesting.

[hater]

Hearing chatter that Chinese aircraft carrier just docked at Tartus Syria. Shits about to get real.

[hater]

Because the last time the Russia had a foreign intervention fighting religious insurgents it went so great for them...

The US created Al Qaeda in order to defeat the Russians that time.

If US refrains from creating another terrorist organization this time, Russia could be successful.

[Pelicans78]

The US created Al Qaeda in order to defeat the Russians that time.

If US refrains from creating another terrorist organization this time, Russia could be successful.

U.S. had help from the Saudis and Pakistan. Without either countries help, the Soviets would have won. Saudis wanted to have a bigger influence in that region and the Pakis didn't want a communist regime on their western border since they already had to deal with another Soviet puppet on their Eastern border with India.

[cheguevara]

Hearing chatter that Chinese aircraft carrier just docked at Tartus Syria. Shits about to get real.

The chinese ships and aircraft carrier arrived in Syria. No aircraft yet. The chinese aircraft will be flown in through Iran and Iraqi airspaces.

This is why Putin setup that war-room in Baghdad alongside Iraq, Iran. The key objective was to land that Iraqi airspace corridor. The US scrambled to close that airspace up by asking Iraqis to go ahead and close it. The Iraqi government laughed at the US request and told them to fuck off :lol

So now China, Iran and Russia have a wide open corridor all the way to Syria. Nothing the US can do about it anymore.

Also about 1,000 chinese marines are preparing to be deployed to join Russian marine comrades. The chinese main objective is to destroy the chinese muslim radicals that have travelled to wage war in Syria. Chinese are protecting their interests in Xinjiang province which is full of Islamic radical cells.

The Russians will be concentrating on defeating the Chechen muslims that have poured into Syria.

btw, the Chinese aircraft carrier will be fully operational by November.

[Pelicans78]

This was inevitable. If the Middle East continued to fuck up, a foreign power would intervene and take it over. Now its happening, but multiple foreign forces. Amazing stuff.

[Pelicans78]

The Arab countries are pathetic. Even though ISIS is next door, they're worried about the Houthis in Yemen. They're too scared of Iran even though their strong enough to deal with Iran. Iran is no threat to taking over that region.

[cheguevara]

yeah. What's interesting is what Turkey's role will be? which side will they join? apparently right now Turkey is playing for both sides. At some point they will have to choose one, US or Russia.

they have been using the US like a cheap hooker, apparently all the bombings they have done was mostly to attack the Kurds and about 1% of the bombings were actually on the ISIS :lol

Turkey is also in a power struggle vs China. Erdogan apparently wants to unify the chinese mulsim Ighurs to gain influence in the region. China does not want that.

[boutons_deux]

This was inevitable. If the Middle East continued to fuck up, a foreign power would intervene and take it over. Now its happening, but multiple foreign forces. Amazing stuff.

Thanks, Repugs!

The M/E didn't fuck up. It was fucked by Repugs for the profits of US/UK BigOil.

The objective is to destroy ISIS in Syria and Iraq and its affiliates in other countries, like Russia's southern border, China's Muslim regions, Libya/North Africa, sub-Sahelian Africa. I doubt there will a "takeover", but I expect the foreign forces will occupy bases for a long time. No wham bam, thank you, ma'am.

[Pelicans78]

yeah. What's interesting is what Turkey's role will be? which side will they join? apparently right now Turkey is playing for both sides. At some point they will have to choose one, US or Russia.

they have been using the US like a cheap hooker, apparently all the bombings they have done was mostly to attack the Kurds and about 1% of the bombings were actually on the ISIS :lol

Turkey is also in a power struggle vs China. Erdogan apparently wants to unify the chinese mulsim Ighurs to gain influence in the region. China does not want that.

I think Turkey will join whoever is winning. But yeah, they do have that issue with China. They've asked for Pakistan's support against the Chinese in that matter, but Pakistan is on China's side. I think Turkey like everyone else will alienate the U.S. No one likes the U.S as much as they've used to. Its a fact everyone needs to accept.

[Pelicans78]

Thanks, Repugs!

The M/E didn't fuck up. It was fucked by Repugs for the profits of US/UK BigOil.

The objective is to destroy ISIS in Syria and Iraq and its affiliates in other countries, like Russia's southern border, China's Muslim regions, Libya/North Africa, sub-Sahelian Africa. I doubt there will a "takeover", but I expect the foreign forces will occupy bases for a long time. No wham bam, thank you, ma'am.

The Middle East has been fucked up for a long time, but was stabilized by dictators. It was still a powder keg waiting for a spark. The Iraq war was the spark drawing everyone to that region. But the Arab spring wasn't just an uprising. This was intelligence backed toppling of dictators.

[pgardn]

They won't get anything done without soldiers.

Its going to be a bigger mess.
Assad's own people of importance have left. They are going to have to maintain a presence to prop him up. And in the long run that's a big fat loser. Good luck.

[pgardn]

I think Turkey will join whoever is winning. But yeah, they do have that issue with China. They've asked for Pakistan's support against the Chinese in that matter, but Pakistan is on China's side. I think Turkey like everyone else will alienate the U.S. No one likes the U.S as much as they've used to. Its a fact everyone needs to accept.

Still more respect than China or Russia by a long shot. Accept this.

[boutons_deux]

The Middle East has been fucked up for a long time, but was stabilized by dictators. It was still a powder keg waiting for a spark. The Iraq war was the spark drawing everyone to that region. But the Arab spring wasn't just an uprising. This was intelligence backed toppling of dictators.

goddam, you're misinformed.

Repugs invading Iraq for oil and hegemony wasn't a spark. It was a flaming torch.

No other country was drawn into that Repug shithole of a destabilized M/E for 10+ years until ISIS arose against Assad and Iraq. The Arab springs were countries' internal affairs.

NOW other countries are being drawn in.

[hater]

Tbh USA policy has bitten us in the ass long before Iraq. Remember USA created Al Qaeda. It was even glorified in the motion picture Rambo III

And even more glorified in the motion picture Charlie Wilson War. Fucksakes,America's sweetheart Tom Hanks sucked BinLadens dick in the flick. Fucking pathetic.

[m>s]

Still more respect than China or Russia by a long shot. Accept this.
that's your subjective retarded opinion. just wait until germany drops the bomb and goes to russia. it's coming in the next decade.

[m>s]

goddam, you're misinformed.

Repugs invading Iraq for oil and hegemony wasn't a spark. It was a flaming torch.

No other country was drawn into that Repug shithole of a destabilized M/E for 10+ years until ISIS arose against Assad and Iraq. The Arab springs were countries' internal affairs.

NOW other countries are being drawn in.
no the arab spring was usa funded color revolution to get rid of leaders who didn't toe the line

[hater]

Still more respect than China or Russia by a long shot. Accept this.

Almost nobody respects the US now. They recently bullied countries left and right to try to catch snowden
they burned lots of bridges trying to get Assad out. Their luck is run out. Recently Iraq told them to fuck off in their face. Respect is not a word I would use imo

[pgardn]

Almost nobody respects the US now. They recently bullied countries left and right to try to catch snowden
they burned lots of bridges trying to get Assad out. Their luck is run out. Recently Iraq told them to fuck off in their face. Respect is not a word I would use imo

Sure.
This is why you buy the Ruble and the Yuan.

The respect comes from where one can get the fairest shake. People want to be here. You read all this ridiculous smack from m>s and Infinitely Limited leaving but they don't do a damn thing about it because deep down they know this is the only place they could survive and be free enough to post the utter nonsense they do here.

No matter how bad you don't want it to be the US is THE big dog. It waxes and wains but it has not changed in my lifetime nor yours.

[pgardn]

that's your subjective retarded opinion. just wait until germany drops the bomb and goes to russia. it's coming in the next decade.

If my opinions are retarded how would you describe yours?
Besides severely twisted.

[boutons_deux]

Russia Surprises U.S. With Accord on Battling ISIS


For the second time this month, Russia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/russiaandtheformersovietunion/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) moved toexpand its political and military influence (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/world/middleeast/russian-moves-in-syria-widen-role-in-mideast.html) in the Syria (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/syria/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) conflict and left the United States scrambling, this time by reaching an understanding, announced on Sunday, with Iraq (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iraq/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), Syria and Iran (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iran/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) to share intelligence about the Islamic State.

Like Russia’s earlier move (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/05/world/middleeast/russian-moves-in-syria-pose-concerns-for-us.html) to bolster the government of President Bashar al-Assad (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/bashar_al_assad/index.html?inline=nyt-per) by deploying warplanes and tanks (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/world/middleeast/russia-deploys-ground-attack-aircraft-to-syrian-base.html) to a base near Latakia, Syria, the intelligence-sharing arrangement was sealed without notice to the United States. American officials knew that a group of Russian military officers were in Baghdad, but they were clearly surprised when the Iraqi military’s Joint Operations Command announced the intelligence sharing accord on Sunday.

It was another sign that President Vladimir V. Putin (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/vladimir_v_putin/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Russia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/russiaandtheformersovietunion/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) was moving ahead with a sharply different tack from that of the Obama administration in battling the Islamic State, also known as ISIS (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/al_qaeda_in_mesopotamia/index.html?inline=nyt-org) or ISIL, by assembling a rival coalition that includes Iran and the Syrian government.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/28/world/middleeast/iraq-agrees-to-share-intelligence-on-isis-with-russia-syria-and-iran.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

Syria is Russia's and Iran's protege, so let's see how many Russians and Iranians are wasted trying to keep Syria in power.

[hater]

Probably less than Americans were wasted trying to keep the puppets in Iraq in power

[boutons_deux]

Putin says no Russian troops to Syria now.

[hater]

:lol Syrian Tv already broadcast Russian Marines and hardware fighting alongside them.

Putin just mocked Obama saying supporting any force other than Assad is illegal and he laughed at the epic failure saying now there are 4 guys left from Obama's army :lol

[pgardn]

:lol Syrian Tv already broadcast Russian Marines and hardware fighting alongside them.

Putin just mocked Obama saying supporting any force other than Assad is illegal and he laughed at the epic failure saying now there are 4 guys left from Obama's army :lol

You chastise the Saudis for severe treatment of people and applaud Putin and Assad?
Excellent

And I thought I would throw in one of your :lol

Seems these make you think you have some sort of legit standing.
And if you think the Russians will cure ISIS get ready to :lol at yourself.

[hater]

You see m to do the opposite
chastise Assad and Putin and applaud Obama. :rolleyes

There's only 1 country that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in the middle east
that country is the USA

[pgardn]

You see m to do the opposite
chastise Assad and Putin and applaud Obama. :rolleyes

There's only 1 country that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in the middle east
that country is the USA

No. That's just not true.

The US unleashed the hatred that was already present but suppressed by dictators in the Middle East.
So no, not directly.

I have access to the pitfalls of this country because this country is self critical. We have a viable press. I also understand that corrupt totalitarian regimes like the ones you seem to praise don't allow this. This seems to escape you. As far as Obama... I think he has been a very poor leader.

[hater]

Well you live in fantasyland. Cheney and Rummy engineered the devastation of Iraq on false pretenses. And killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqui civilian women and children. If you are not ready to accept this fact I'm sorry, I have nothing more to say to you.

[m>s]

Am I the only one who doesn't really care about dead muzzies? I just look at it as limiting a bad thing and less to come to Europe and America.

[m>s]

http://youtu.be/OOECyf3_zTg

[Fabbs]

Lebanese Radio: Chinese Military May Get Involved in Syria Alongside Russia, Iran
Reuters has reported last week

[B]INDEPENDENT MEDIA | Chinese Military Experts and Troop Deployment to Syria : Joint Russian-Chinese Development

The situation is heating up in Syria yet again. If reports coming from Almasdar News are accurate, another troop deployment will soon be about to take place – in addition to the 2,000 Russian troops who arrived earlier this week. This time, however, the troops are coming from China. Leith Fadel of Almasdar News (the Arab Source),
Any updates?

[m>s]

Remove kebab guys sing it with me

[pgardn]

Well you live in fantasyland. Cheney and Rummy engineered the devastation of Iraq on false pretenses. And killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqui civilian women and children. If you are not ready to accept this fact I'm sorry, I have nothing more to say to you.

There were already deadly religious divisions within Iraq that we helped unleash by removing Sadaam. There was a reason the first Bush stopped short of Baghdad.

Who is living in a fantasyland? You think ISIS are killing fellow Muslims because they think they are Americans?
Just stop. You have no recognition of the totality of the conflict.

[pgardn]

Am I the only one who doesn't really care about dead muzzies? I just look at it as limiting a bad thing and less to come to Europe and America.

Its hard to tell. Sometimes you just want everyone separated and sometimes you want people of color to die regardless of what religious affiliation they have. I honestly have no idea how you keep up with your own wishes. You expend a hell of a lot of energy hating so I'm thinking lines get short circuited quite often.

[hater]

Blah blah. I'm talking about the U S bombings in Iraq. :rolleyes no religious division delivered payloads of napalm bombings, fire bombings and carpet bombings :rolleyes

Who delivered those bombs killing thousands of women and children?

[m>s]

Its hard to tell. Sometimes you just want everyone separated and sometimes you want people of color to die regardless of what religious affiliation they have. I honestly have no idea how you keep up with your own wishes. You expend a hell of a lot of energy hating so I'm thinking lines get short circuited quite often.
Muslim isn't a color, and they are not human. They're a threat to humanity and must be eradicated.

[Fabbs]

Could you tards get back on the subject.
Where is this alleged Chink ship?

[hehateme]

I'm just waiting for Red Dawn to become reality.

[cheguevara]

Russia is ready for airstrikes. But US is asking itself why all the modern ultra capable air defenses???

well...

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[cheguevara]

Saudi could strike anytime, hell Israel could too. That's why all the missiles and anti aircraft equipment being setup.

lots of crazies involved, this could go either way.

I think Russia de-escalates and plans for Assad to go and a coalition controls the Syria "free zones" until a government is formed. But the Russian bases ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE

[pgardn]

Blah blah. I'm talking about the U S bombings in Iraq. :rolleyes no religious division delivered payloads of napalm bombings, fire bombings and carpet bombings :rolleyes

Who delivered those bombs killing thousands of women and children?

Fine. Then you would realize the scale in nothing compared to Arab on Arab violence. You think only air strikes kill, you are nuts. Far more people have been killed ground to ground. You said hundreds of thousands before, now you are decreasing the number. Do you think the US purposefully tries to kill civilians?

And if you really care so much about humanity you would know the civil wars in Africa killed MANY more folks than anything we have seen in the Middle East, it's not even close. So, who is to blame for Africa?

You our are loaded with disinformation and no clue about relative scale of human disasters. So yes, stop responding. It's best for you and your distortions.

[cheguevara]

648973836839428096

[pgardn]

Muslim isn't a color, and they are not human. They're a threat to humanity and must be eradicated.

I did not say Muslim was a color but the vast majority have darker skin. They are largely Semitic people along with Indonesia which has a huge South Asian population of Muslims. So on the whole, they are darker than your run of the mill Nazi.

[cheguevara]

Saudi must be livid at the US incompetence. crazy fucks

[pgardn]

Saudi must be livid at the US incompetence. crazy fucks

Its not incompetence. The US could level the whole area.

Its Obama and Bush both making promises about surgical strikes, redlining, and freeing the masses when basically they created chaos. If there were multiple suicide 9-11 type bombings in NY, LA, Chicago, Houston taking out entire high rises and innocents with them you would see the attention to collateral damage go way down. We could wipe out ISIS in one week quite easily. But the collateral damage would be huge. The Russians may not give a shit if they go in and have people die.

[hater]

"we would wioe out ISIS in weeks" sure you would. Planning on enlisting anytime soon cowboy? :rolleyes

[Pelicans78]

Saudi must be livid at the US incompetence. crazy fucks

Why would the Saudis want Assad out? Are they looking at ISIS as the alternative?

[m>s]

Isis was their pet all along. They want to spread fundamentalist Sunni Islam.

[hater]

Why would the Saudis want Assad out? Are they looking at ISIS as the alternative?

Assad is ally of Irán. Saudis mortal enemy.

ISIS is financid and supported by many powerful saudis

[Pelicans78]

Isis was their pet all along. They want to spread fundamentalist Sunni Islam.

But they don't recognize their "Caliphate" supposedly and must realize that ISIS would try to take over the Saudi Arabia as well just like Bin Laden tried to.

[Pelicans78]

Assad is ally of Irán. Saudis mortal enemy.

ISIS is financid and supported by many powerful saudis

Makes sense. Well Assad should tell them to fuck off.

[Pelicans78]

Can't stand these fuckin Saudis. Fuck the British for putting them in power so long ago.

[hater]

ISIS is their dog. The caliphate shit is mostly a bullshit made up goal.

They said our dog needs goals and ideals. And they came up with that bullshit

[m>s]

But they don't recognize their "Caliphate" supposedly and must realize that ISIS would try to take over the Saudi Arabia as well just like Bin Laden tried to.
That's what Putin was talking about when he said countries are playing with fire when using these terror groups to achieve goals

[pgardn]

"we would wioe out ISIS in weeks" sure you would. Planning on enlisting anytime soon cowboy? :rolleyes

Do you understand the difference between could and would? You like changing my posts.

You seriously don't think the US is CAPABLE of destroying that entire region?

You have no understanding of our military capabilities.
None.

[pgardn]

Its not incompetence. The US could level the whole area.

Its Obama and Bush both making promises about surgical strikes, redlining, and freeing the masses when basically they created chaos. If there were multiple suicide 9-11 type bombings in NY, LA, Chicago, Houston taking out entire high rises and innocents with them you would see the attention to collateral damage go way down. We could wipe out ISIS in one week quite easily. But the collateral damage would be huge. The Russians may not give a shit if they go in and have people die.

Try again.

[hater]

So the US could end the Syria conflict in a week. Why didn't they?

[hater]

So the US could end the Syria conflict in a week. Why didn't they?

[boutons_deux]

Thanks, Repugs!

[hater]

Putin gets OK from Russian parliament to start the airstrikes.

Meanwhile the US gives armoured vehicles to Kurdish forces. Except, the vehicles lack armour. KURDISH leaders say riding those vehicles would equate to commiting suicide :lmao :lol

[hater]

Oh shit

RUSSIA has performed their first airtrike. They have ordered the US to get their fucking planes out of Syrian airspace :wow

[pgardn]

by dropping nukes or putting man on the ground? tell me...

Neither. But both WOULD work. And this action would come with extraordinary human cost. Don't play stupid.
We also could conventionally bomb and level the area.

[hater]

No shit. Lots of countries could bomb Syria and ISIS to oblivion not just US :rolleyes



Bring us a solution not something we all know.

[pgardn]

So the US could end the Syria conflict in a week. Why didn't they?

Humanitarian cost and geopolitical costs dumbfck.

Now you answer your own question. Quit playing the idiot.

[hater]

Humanitarian cost and geopolitical costs dumbfck.

Now you answer your own question.

Russia, china, Israel, Germany, France , etc


All these countries could also solve the conflict in a week by a mass bombing. Bring something new :rolleyes

[pgardn]

No shit. Lots of countries could bomb Syria and ISIS to oblivion not just US :rolleyes



Bring us a solution not something we all know.

Then quit asking stupid questions.
If the solution was easy it WOULD have been tried.
Try READING my posts and not changing them.

[hater]

:lol stop talking about what Could happen and start talking about what needs to happen. Grow some balls and throw in a real opinion. Not fairy tales

[pgardn]

Do you understand the difference between could and would? You like changing my posts.

You seriously don't think the US is CAPABLE of destroying that entire region?

You have no understanding of our military capabilities.
None.

Read.

You have typed so many false comments I can't tell what you actually know.

[hater]

:lol stop talking about what Could happen and start talking about what needs to happen. Grow some balls and throw in a real opinion. Not fairy tales

[pgardn]

There were already deadly religious divisions within Iraq that we helped unleash by removing Sadaam. There was a reason the first Bush stopped short of Baghdad.

Who is living in a fantasyland? You think ISIS are killing fellow Muslims because they think they are Americans?
Just stop. You have no recognition of the totality of the conflict.

The above.
You don't get the nature of our role.

I have start at the elementary school level with your kind of BS.

[hater]

So no solutions? Thanks for playing.

[boutons_deux]

"There was a reason the first Bush stopped short of Baghdad."

CIA Bush pere, aka WIMP, didn't LIE to the UN to get UN approval to invade Iraq.

CIA Bush pere and the neocons were not intimidated, or even concerned, about Iraq's (oppressed) sectarian divisions as the reason not to invade Iraq during Gulf War.

[pgardn]

You see m to do the opposite
chastise Assad and Putin and applaud Obama. :rolleyes

There's only 1 country that has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in the middle east
that country is the USA

This is BS. Then you changed your numbers.

And you come to Bball board for solutions? Are you serious?

Ok. You want to play.
What outcome do YOU want in the region and then state YOUR SOLUTION.
You don't even realize that different parties have different goals and then ask for A solution?

Get the fuck outta here.

[pgardn]

"There was a reason the first Bush stopped short of Baghdad."

CIA Bush pere, aka WIMP, didn't LIE to the UN to get UN approval to invade Iraq.

CIA Bush pere and the neocons were not intimidated, or even concerned, about Iraq's (oppressed) sectarian divisions as the reason not to invade Iraq during Gulf War.

Fine.

But they did understand the destabilization that would occur. No one said he stopped short out of love for Iraq.
Rumsfield basically dismissed a general when told how many troops it would minimally require (3x the amount he wanted to hear) 2nd time round. Half assed efforts give horrible results.

[hater]

Not changing any numbers. Statistics show about 100,000 to 150,000 deaths in Iraq war. 80% civilian look it up.


Still waiting on your solutions to Syria crisis :rolleyes

[pgardn]

:lol stop talking about what Could happen and start talking about what needs to happen. Grow some balls and throw in a real opinion. Not fairy tales

Your desired outcome and your solution?

[pgardn]

Not changing any numbers. Statistics show about 100,000 to 150,000 deaths in Iraq war. 80% civilian look it up.


Still waiting on your solutions to Syria crisis :rolleyes

Civilians killed by the US. As you stated.
Link?

[pgardn]

This is BS. Then you changed your numbers.

And you come to Bball board for solutions? Are you serious?

Ok. You want to play.
What outcome do YOU want in the region and then state YOUR SOLUTION.
You don't even realize that different parties have different goals and then ask for A solution?

Get the fuck outta here.


Read again.

[boutons_deux]

But they did understand the destabilization that would occur.

I really doubt they did, since the neocons a few years later were pushing Clinton to invade Iraq, and then actually did criminally invade Iraq when Repugs got in power and got a false pretext.

The MIC said Iraq war and US military presence would be finished in a few months after invasion.

They and the Repugs/UK didn't have a clue what was going to happen after the invasion, and certainly didn't give a shit about Sunni vs Shia animosity.

The objective was Iraqi oil (Mission Accomplished), and US hegemony over the M/E, including regime change in Syria and Iran. Worked like a dream.

Thanks, Repugs, fuck every one of you and your voters.

[hater]

If US refrains from creating another terrorist organization this time, Russia could be successful.

READ AGAIN

[pgardn]

Blah blah. I'm talking about the U S bombings in Iraq. :rolleyes no religious division delivered payloads of napalm bombings, fire bombings and carpet bombings :rolleyes

Who delivered those bombs killing thousands of women and children?

Hundreds of thousands to thousands.

Factors of 100X escape you or you just change stuff randomly.

[pgardn]

READ AGAIN

Successful at what you idiot?

[pgardn]

I really doubt they did, since the neocons a few years later were pushing Clinton to invade Iraq, and then actually did criminally invade Iraq when Repugs got in power and got a false pretext.

The MIC said Iraq war and US military presence would be finished in a few months after invasion.

They and the Repugs/UK didn't have a clue what was going to happen after the invasion, and certainly didn't give a shit about Sunni vs Shia animosity.

The objective was Iraqi oil (Mission Accomplished), and US hegemony over the M/E, including regime change in Syria and Iran. Worked like a dream.

Thanks, Repugs, fuck every one of you and your voters.

The neocons were pushing Bush 1 to finish it off.

[hater]

Successful at what you idiot?

:rolleyes with the insults. Not having a good morning are you? :lol

Obama's plan to train and arm moderate rebels is a complete joke. Being mocked by even US generals :lol

Putin is there to stay. US generals agree and want Obama to work with Russia to work out ISIS war and Assad plan to leave office eventually. IMO that's a good idea and its coming from Russians and a good number of US generals. :tu

what your plan besides carpet bombing 78,000 square miles in 1 week? :lol

[Winehole23]

what your plan besides carpet bombing 78,000 square miles in 1 week? :lolI thought that was your plan, tbh.

leadership=bombing the shit out of other countries

[pgardn]

:rolleyes with the insults. Not having a good morning are you? :lol

Obama's plan to train and arm moderate rebels is a complete joke. Being mocked by even US generals :lol

Putin is there to stay. US generals agree and want Obama to work with Russia to work out ISIS war and Assad plan to leave office eventually. IMO that's a good idea and its coming from Russians and a good number of US generals. :tu

what your plan besides carpet bombing 78,000 square miles in 1 week? :lol

Insults?
Read your own posts and constant use of round faces.

Fine. I see nothing exceptionally insightful except one HUGE omission:

What is "work out ISIS" ?

[boutons_deux]

The neocons were pushing Bush 1 to finish it off.

yes, and they didn't GAF about Muslim sectarianism. When Bush didn't, they slandered him as a wimp (a slander apparently dubya wanted to avoid) and shit like "Real Men Go To Tehran"

[hater]

work out plan to fight ISIS together.

oh and also designate protected area within Syria so refugees stop spilling to other countries.

[pgardn]

work out plan to fight ISIS together.

oh and also designate protected area within Syria so refugees stop spilling to other countries.

Ok.

So we don't hit each other, makes sense.
And if and when ISIS is defeated who rules/governs?

ISIS controls large areas in Iraq and Syria. Does Assad stay. What about Eastern Syria where he has no control? Does Assad rule Damascus only? The US has agreed to let Assad stay? What about Iraq and the Sunni, Shia, Kurd mixed areas? What about the Iranians, will they be allowed to play?

So basically there still is no solution. Only a possible plan to avoid striking each other. And maybe agree on targets.

This is why I stated the difficulty in this mess.

[cheguevara]

Apparently Russians bombing Homs because they want to take that city back first and foremost.

Homs should fall back to Assad's hands in the next few hours for Russsia to start on the right foot....

[pgardn]

Further this leads me to realize the following in American decision making and politics:

We gripe about our leaders but can't handle the truth. We will not let a leader say here is the plan, this plan will not solve the larger problem, the plan may not even solve the first minor goal. Further, if the plan does have its desired effects short run, we will have to wait until the situation gets clearer to make our next decision. If the plan does not give the desired outcome, not only will we have to wait until the new situation can be read, we may have to do something opposite of what we first tried to accomplish.

The above is understanding that policies and plans can have very foggy outcomes and unintended consequences. But our leaders are NOT allowed to speak to us in this manner. We can't handle the fact that outcomes of policy is often unknown and requires adjusting. WE asked to be lied to all the time. We must be given assurances when nothing is guaranteed.

I personally can't stand this. No one would vote for a politician who stated the above thoroughly. He would be chastised as wishy washy and with no clue. Anyone has been in a decision making position has to realize you need to tell employees the truth behind decision making if you can. It's called honesty and the basic realization that things can go wrong and you adjust. Good news must be tempered, and bad news stated and taken on with the realization that clean solutions are not necessarily possible.

Too long no read.
But it's the truth.

[boutons_deux]

Russia says it’s bombing ISIS in Syria. It’s actually bombing their enemies.

Russia began bombing targets in Syria (http://www.vox.com/2015/9/24/9392543/russia-syria-putin) on Wednesday. Russian President Vladimir Putin has framed his military intervention there as targeting terrorist groups, especially ISIS (http://www.vox.com/2015/9/28/9409883/putin-un-address-terrorism). And Russia said its strikes today were launched against ISIS (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/russia-begins-surgical-strikes-targeting-isis-syria-n436106).

Don't believe it. The strikes reported this morning aren't happening anywhere near ISIS territory and aren't actually hitting ISIS positions, as a look at the following map from theInstitute for the Study of War (http://www.iswresearch.blogspot.com/2015/09/russias-first-reported-air-strikes-in.html) (ISW) should make clear. In fact, Russia is bombing ISIS'senemies in the Syrian opposition — which makes a lot more sense if you understand what Russia is really trying to accomplish.

According to ISW researcher Genevieve Casagrande (http://www.iswresearch.blogspot.com/2015/09/russias-first-reported-air-strikes-in.html), a Russian airstrike this morning appears to have hit Talbiseh, a town in the tan rebel-held swatch just north of Homs, in Syria's east. You'll note that this is nowhere near ISIS territory, marked in gray:
https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/CK0H-r6YMhEUKlT5XxEmJ6YfNRk=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4110922/Russian%20Posture%20in%20Syria%2027%20SEP%202015-01.png

"Talbiseh is home to Syrian al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra, hardline Islamist Ahrar al-Sham, and a number of other local rebel groups," Casagrande explains. These organizations are generally hostile (http://carnegieendowment.org/syriaincrisis/?fa=56581) to ISIS. "The airstrike," she concludes, "did not hit ISIS militants."

Michael Horowitz (https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/649159390436683776), a senior intelligence analyst at the Levantine Group, says that Russia bombed another town near Homs (Zaafarana) and one (Ltamenah) near the city of Hama, north of Homs. Again, as you can see on the map, none of these are near ISIS territory. According to Horowitz, all of the towns are held by non-ISIS groups.

"Russia targeted only groups that are not ISIS and it may have targeted groups backed by the US," Horowitz told BuzzFeed (http://www.buzzfeed.com/borzoudaragahi/russia-has-begun-airstrikes-inside-syria-including-areas-con#.htoPALxZRl)'s Borzou Daragahi.

"It’s really clear that the airstrikes were not meant to target ISIS."

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/russia-bombing-isis-syria

What a fucking mess! :lol

Thanks, Repugs!

[cheguevara]

Homs is crucial for Regime to find it's footing. they are close to collapse. You can't fight ISIS without the Regime's 100,000 soldiers

[hater]

damn. Abbas just said he's breaking up the Oslo agreement live at the UN.

shit's getting real :lol

[hater]

in "unrelated" news: oil rises 21 cents a barrel today :lol

[RandomGuy]

ISIS is their dog. The caliphate shit is mostly a bullshit made up goal.

They said our dog needs goals and ideals. And they came up with that bullshit

The Caliphate is a very long held goal on the part of most arabs. Not quite made up recently out of whole cloth.

[m>s]

Ok.

So we don't hit each other, makes sense.
And if and when ISIS is defeated who rules/governs?

ISIS controls large areas in Iraq and Syria. Does Assad stay. What about Eastern Syria where he has no control? Does Assad rule Damascus only? The US has agreed to let Assad stay? What about Iraq and the Sunni, Shia, Kurd mixed areas? What about the Iranians, will they be allowed to play?

So basically there still is no solution. Only a possible plan to avoid striking each other. And maybe agree on targets.

This is why I stated the difficulty in this mess.
What do you mean who decides, the legitimate government will be in charge and they'll continue to have elections going forward like they always have. USA doesn't get to decide for them if that's what you mean. Butt out.

[RandomGuy]

So the US could end the Syria conflict in a week. Why didn't they?

Because the US public is about as keen to put boots on the ground as we are to re-invade Vietnam.

[hitmanyr2k]

Who gives a fuck? If those countries want to fight in Syria's quagmire and wave their dicks around let'em :lol

[RandomGuy]

Fine.

But they did understand the destabilization that would occur. No one said he stopped short out of love for Iraq.
Rumsfield basically dismissed a general when told how many troops it would minimally require (3x the amount he wanted to hear) 2nd time round. Half assed efforts give horrible results.

Pretty much. Most of the US combat deaths in the first 3 years can be directly blamed on the non-existent postwar planning, i.e. sheer incompetence.

[RandomGuy]

Not changing any numbers. Statistics show about 100,000 to 150,000 deaths in Iraq war. 80% civilian look it up.


Still waiting on your solutions to Syria crisis :rolleyes

About right.

As for a realistic solution... that is far more difficult.

Now that Putin wants an in, the game changes, and is made far more complex.

I don't think that leaving Assad in power is acceptable, especially since Putin is backing him so closely.

Putin has been pushing the strongman, cletpocracy model as an alternative to democracy and free-markets. That will lose over the long term, but the cost will be a lot less if that ideology is contested.

[hater]

The Caliphate is a very long held goal on the part of most arabs. Not quite made up recently out of whole cloth.

Most Arabs? Link?

[m>s]

so full of shit, Putin is finally going after the terrorists and USA is mad that they and the Saudis won't get their pipeline through Syria, Russia is protecting her interests and her allies nothing more

[RandomGuy]

Russia says it’s bombing ISIS in Syria. It’s actually bombing their enemies.

Russia began bombing targets in Syria (http://www.vox.com/2015/9/24/9392543/russia-syria-putin) on Wednesday. Russian President Vladimir Putin has framed his military intervention there as targeting terrorist groups, especially ISIS (http://www.vox.com/2015/9/28/9409883/putin-un-address-terrorism). And Russia said its strikes today were launched against ISIS (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/russia-begins-surgical-strikes-targeting-isis-syria-n436106).

Don't believe it. The strikes reported this morning aren't happening anywhere near ISIS territory and aren't actually hitting ISIS positions, as a look at the following map from theInstitute for the Study of War (http://www.iswresearch.blogspot.com/2015/09/russias-first-reported-air-strikes-in.html) (ISW) should make clear. In fact, Russia is bombing ISIS'senemies in the Syrian opposition — which makes a lot more sense if you understand what Russia is really trying to accomplish.

According to ISW researcher Genevieve Casagrande (http://www.iswresearch.blogspot.com/2015/09/russias-first-reported-air-strikes-in.html), a Russian airstrike this morning appears to have hit Talbiseh, a town in the tan rebel-held swatch just north of Homs, in Syria's east. You'll note that this is nowhere near ISIS territory, marked in gray:
https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/CK0H-r6YMhEUKlT5XxEmJ6YfNRk=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4110922/Russian%20Posture%20in%20Syria%2027%20SEP%202015-01.png

"Talbiseh is home to Syrian al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra, hardline Islamist Ahrar al-Sham, and a number of other local rebel groups," Casagrande explains. These organizations are generally hostile (http://carnegieendowment.org/syriaincrisis/?fa=56581) to ISIS. "The airstrike," she concludes, "did not hit ISIS militants."

Michael Horowitz (https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/649159390436683776), a senior intelligence analyst at the Levantine Group, says that Russia bombed another town near Homs (Zaafarana) and one (Ltamenah) near the city of Hama, north of Homs. Again, as you can see on the map, none of these are near ISIS territory. According to Horowitz, all of the towns are held by non-ISIS groups.

"Russia targeted only groups that are not ISIS and it may have targeted groups backed by the US," Horowitz told BuzzFeed (http://www.buzzfeed.com/borzoudaragahi/russia-has-begun-airstrikes-inside-syria-including-areas-con#.htoPALxZRl)'s Borzou Daragahi.

"It’s really clear that the airstrikes were not meant to target ISIS."

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/russia-bombing-isis-syria

What a fucking mess! :lol

Thanks, Repugs!




Looking over the map, and just considering the map, assuming it is accurate, Assad/Russian strategy:

Take Homs first. That gives you a direct line to allow the Hezbollah reinforcements to move north and hit the remaining rebel areas. Free up the troops that were attacking it as well.

If you are Assad, you can't get to ISIS, but for going through the rebels that we are supporting, so relieving the sieges will be the next step, after Homs is secured.

Assad is running out of bodies to throw into the fray as any sane male not in the army already is running as fast as he can out of it. Time will not be on his side.

ISIS will continue to gain new fighters as men slip through the security cracks.

Looks like the US and Russia will be at some loggerheads pretty soon, since the likely regime strategy pretty much conflicts directly with the Wests support of the "moderates".

What happens after that, will be an escalation. Arming the rebels directly and openly will be increasingly attractive.

[RandomGuy]

Most Arabs? Link?

"most" is a misnomer. "many" would be better. Pardon the oversight.

If you want a link to the history of the idea, I can provide that. It remains a very attractive one, even among many non-radicalized muslims.

[RandomGuy]

The concept of the caliphate took on new significance in the 18th century as an instrument of statecraft in the declining Ottoman Empire. Facing the erosion of their military and political power and territorial losses inflicted in a series of wars with European rivals, the Ottoman sultans, who had occasionally styled themselves as caliphs since the 14th century, began to stress their claim to leadership of the Islamic community. This served both as means of retaining some degree of influence over Muslim populations in formerly Ottoman lands and as means of bolstering Ottoman legitimacy within the empire. The caliphate was abolished in 1924, following the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and the rise of the Turkish Republic.

In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.

http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

Fairly good summary. Not a new idea.

[RandomGuy]

Most Arabs? Link?

Re-reading on the Caliphate entry, it would seem that "arab" should also be replaced with "muslim" in general, as the Ottoman empire included a lot of non-arab ethnicities.

[hater]

"most" is a misnomer. "many" would be better. Pardon the oversight.

If you want a link to the history of the idea, I can provide that. It remains a very attractive one, even among many non-radicalized muslims.

I'm sure christianizing the entire middle east would also be attractive to non radical Christians...

[hater]

:lmao Ash Carter blundering on CNN. what an incompetent fool :lol

[boutons_deux]

there ain't gonna be no frickin caliphate of world wide Muslims. Sunni vs Shia united? :lol

[hater]

:lol Ash Carter confusing even himself "these rebels, we attack, these other rebels no we don't attack. yes they are intermingled but that's our decision..." :lol retard

[hater]

649292318273462272

649292252754354176

:lmao :lol :lol

[SnakeBoy]

lol Obama getting his shit pushed in by Putin.

2015 called it want's the 80's policies back.

[hater]

:lmao Mccain

:lol romney

corpses crawling out of their graves.

I'll not be surprised if Romney comes back as a candidate in the next few weeks. :lol

what an embarrassment

[hater]

:lmao CNN has Santorum on deck to give his 2 cents on this :lol

[hater]

damn santorum making sense. Let Russia do their thing and lets fight Isis in Iraq :wow

[dbestpro]

Truly, whether you are on the right or the left we need to stay on the sidelines. If nothing else, this will help falling oil prices, which will in turn will help to reignite the US energy job market.

[hater]

:lol NOBODY, not even Santorum wants to take Russia head on. well except for that lunatic Mccain :lol

[boutons_deux]

lol Obama getting his shit pushed in by Putin.

2015 called it want's the 80's policies back.

1980s St Ronnie got his Commander in Chief shit pushed in in Beirut, lost 300 Marines and French military, and did fucking nothing about it.

But typical rightwingnut bully and MIC Useful Idiot, he invaded minuscule Granada and Panama, and fucked up Mesoamerica real gud. Tough guy, St Ronnie.

[SnakeBoy]

1980s St Ronnie got his Commander in Chief shit pushed in in Beirut, lost 300 Marines and French military, and did fucking nothing about it.

But typical rightwingnut bully and MIC Useful Idiot, he invaded minuscule Granada and Panama, and fucked up Mesoamerica real gud. Tough guy, St Ronnie.

:lol weak retort but I notice not even you could deny Obama just got his shit pushed in by Putin. :lmao


Can't wait to hear Obama draw the next red line that he will ultimately back down from.

[boutons_deux]

:lol weak retort but I notice not even you could deny Obama just got his shit pushed in by Putin. :lmao


Can't wait to hear Obama draw the next red line that he will ultimately back down from.

Putin ain't pushin nobody's shit in. Russia is crippled by low oil prices, a shitty, under equipped, under-paid military. We'll see how many $10Bs and Russian soldiers he wastes protecting Assad.

Thanks, Repugs!

[in2deep]

Different countries flying their fighter jets over Syrian airspaces right now:
USA
France
Russia
Syria
Israel
Saudi Arabia



yeah, we shouldn't be worried....

[SnakeBoy]

Different countries flying their fighter jets over Syrian airspaces right now:
USA
France
Russia
Syria
Israel
Saudi Arabia



yeah, we shouldn't be worried....

Odds are good that pretty soon Obama will suspend US air operations over Syria until a diplomatic agreement can be reached.

[Pelicans78]

This is good shit. Too bad I'm at work right now.

[pgardn]

What do you mean who decides, the legitimate government will be in charge and they'll continue to have elections going forward like they always have. USA doesn't get to decide for them if that's what you mean. Butt out.

Who is the legitimate government? Who runs Iraq as well?

Elections in Syria? Are you on crack?

[pgardn]

lol Obama getting his shit pushed in by Putin.

2015 called it want's the 80's policies back.

BS

Putin is making a play because Russia is sanctioned and their economy is tubed. He thinks he will get respect by making military moves here because military moves in the Crimea and the Ukraine put him out of the economic loop. He needs his people to feel some sort of pride before they turn dirt poor.

Fkd up country IMPORTS wheat and has by far the largest wheat growing areas of any country on Earth. Why? Because they have a stagnant, unimaginative, corrupt economy. But they got their military so it's ok to eat mud tonight for dinner. Why people admire this failure of a man who has more resources available than any other country on Earth is a mystery.

Oh. He throws all girl bands in jail. Good stuff. Strong leader. Napoleon complex inhabits the little fella.

[m>s]

Who is the legitimate government? Who runs Iraq as well?

Elections in Syria? Are you on crack?
Assad government is the legitimate government by any law or interpretation. Russia/Assad are the only ones abiding by international law here.

[m>s]

BS

Putin is making a play because Russia is sanctioned and their economy is tubed. He thinks he will get respect by making military moves here because military moves in the Crimea and the Ukraine put him out of the economic loop. He needs his people to feel some sort of pride before they turn dirt poor.

Fkd up country IMPORTS wheat and has by far the largest wheat growing areas of any country on Earth. Why? Because they have a stagnant, unimaginative, corrupt economy. But they got their military so it's ok to eat mud tonight for dinner. Why people admire this failure of a man who has more resources available than any other country on Earth is a mystery.

Oh. He throws all girl bands in jail. Good stuff. Strong leader. Napoleon complex inhabits the little fella.
You have such infantile stereotypical merica political views. Get outside of that box

[pgardn]

You have such infantile stereotypical merica political views. Get outside of that box

You have no idea how poor Russia is because you live in Texas.
Where do you get your complete garbage from?

[pgardn]

Assad government is the legitimate government by any law or interpretation. Russia/Assad are the only ones abiding by international law here.

So the elections? Tell us about them.

[hater]

So the elections? Tell us about them.

What about the elections in Saudi. When are those? :lol

[pgardn]

What about the elections in Saudi. When are those? :lol


Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian regime that placates the masses by spoiling them or torturing and killing dissenters. There are no elections.
You find that funny?

[m>s]

You have no idea how poor Russia is because you live in Texas.
Where do you get your complete garbage from?
Russia is poor but that's putins fault? Stalin says hi

[m>s]

Per wiki:

Elections were held on 3 June 2014. The winner was Bashar al-Assad (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad) of the Ba'ath party (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Ba%27ath_Party_%E2%80%93_Syria_Regi on). There were observers from more than 30 countries.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Syria#cite_note-1)

[pgardn]

Per wiki:

Elections were held on 3 June 2014. The winner was Bashar al-Assad (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad) of the Ba'ath party (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Ba%27ath_Party_%E2%80%93_Syria_Regi on). There were observers from more than 30 countries.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Syria#cite_note-1)

Who ran in the opposition party and what is the name of the party?

[m>s]

Its all public knowledge dude

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

[pgardn]

Its all public knowledge dude

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

Then you understand that Syrian elections are not legit.
Good.

[pgardn]

How would you compare the election of Putin with the election of Obama and Bush?

[SnakeBoy]

BS

Putin is making a play because Russia is sanctioned and their economy is tubed. He thinks he will get respect by making military moves here because military moves in the Crimea and the Ukraine put him out of the economic loop. He needs his people to feel some sort of pride before they turn dirt poor.

Fkd up country IMPORTS wheat and has by far the largest wheat growing areas of any country on Earth. Why? Because they have a stagnant, unimaginative, corrupt economy. But they got their military so it's ok to eat mud tonight for dinner. Why people admire this failure of a man who has more resources available than any other country on Earth is a mystery.

Oh. He throws all girl bands in jail. Good stuff. Strong leader. Napoleon complex inhabits the little fella.

Yeah I heard the WH line that this is an act of weakness by Putin and their economy is shrinking and ours is just peachy. Good job parroting the WH talking points. I like the way you took them and put them in your own words.

[hater]

Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian regime that placates the masses by spoiling them or torturing and killing dissenters. There are no elections.
You find that funny?

so you cry about elections in Syria when you say that ^. You don't find that stupid?

[pgardn]

Yeah I heard the WH line that this is an act of weakness by Putin and their economy is shrinking and ours is just peachy. Good job parroting the WH talking points. I like the way you took them and put them in your own words.

I put them in my own words because I have no Fckn clue what the WH talking points are or were.


I would think it would be more along the lines of working together.

[pgardn]

so you cry about elections in Syria when you say that ^. You don't find that stupid?

Not at all.

Why should I?

[hater]

Not at all.

Why should I?

right


:cry Who is the legitimate government? Who runs Iraq as well?

Elections in Syria? Are you on crack? :cry

[pgardn]

right

So what's your point?

And I'm really not crying. Really.

[m>s]

Then you understand that Syrian elections are not legit.
Good.
It was observed by 30 countries and found to be legit, fail

[pgardn]

It was observed by 30 countries and found to be legit, fail

Look at the list of the observers. That's a joke.

And again, who is the opposition party in Syria? What was Assad's % of those who voted?
BTW, what about the elections that first got him to power? You know, the elections that took place after his father had ruled for umpteen years due to free and fair elections.

Please stop trying to defend Syria. They don't have free and fair elections. You will eventually figure this out.

Business calls at off hours. Back to the airport. People arrive early and we must accommodate our clients who just fly in unannounced. I shall return. Eventually.

[hater]

damn.

gotta recognize PUtin and Lavrov are fucking grandmasters.

they specifically call it "temporary strikes" but don't say when they'll end. Could be tomorrow or next year :lol

[m>s]

Look at the list of the observers. That's a joke.

And again, who is the opposition party in Syria? What was Assad's % of those who voted?
BTW, what about the elections that first got him to power? You know, the elections that took place after his father had ruled for umpteen years due to free and fair elections.

Please stop trying to defend Syria. They don't have free and fair elections. You will eventually figure this out.

Business calls at off hours. Back to the airport. People arrive early and we must accommodate our clients who just fly in unannounced. I shall return. Eventually.
Lol typical American, I bet the all powerful Assad coerced 30 independent countries into lying that the elections were fair. While he had gunmen at each voting booth pointing guns at the voters heads. Grow up. Read and lurk a little before you post. Maybe lurk for 6-12 months.

[pgardn]

Lol typical American, I bet the all powerful Assad coerced 30 independent countries into lying that the elections were fair. While he had gunmen at each voting booth pointing guns at the voters heads. Grow up. Read and lurk a little before you post. Maybe lurk for 6-12 months.

If you really think Syria had free and fair elections you are more of rube than I thought.
When was the last time An Assad was not in power? And then ask yourself how it has gone so swimmingly for all these years with one family (in a religious minority) rule for so long.

Seriously don't post here again if you are this brain dead.

[pgardn]

damn.

gotta recognize PUtin and Lavrov are fucking grandmasters.

they specifically call it "temporary strikes" but don't say when they'll end. Could be tomorrow or next year :lol

And it's funny...

[m>s]

If you really think Syria had free and fair elections you are more of rube than I thought.
When was the last time An Assad was not in power? And then ask yourself how it has gone so swimmingly for all these years with one family (in a religious minority) rule for so long.

Seriously don't post here again if you are this brain dead.
Syrians living abroad in refugee camps were literally waiting in miles long lines at the nearest embassy to vote for Assad, you're a dolt and an ignoramus. Lol muh free elections, suck on assads 88% in a FREE and FAIR election observed by 30 nations.

[pgardn]

Syrians living abroad in refugee camps were literally waiting in miles long lines at the nearest embassy to vote for Assad, you're a dolt and an ignoramus. Lol muh free elections, suck on assads 88% in a FREE and FAIR election observed by 30 nations.

How long have the two Assad's been in power. How many years straight? You are telling me a religious minority in a volatile region has ruled this long in a single family, two men, because of free and fair elections?

You really believe this?

And what country and what press outlets do you trust the most? Where do you get your information?

[m>s]

It's so hard to for americucks to believe that other people actually choose a different style of government

[pgardn]

It's so hard to for americucks to believe that other people actually choose a different style of government


We were referring to free and fair elections, not style of government. If you would have stated Syria was a monarchy we would not have wasted time.

[m>s]

>implying that a monarchy can't have overwhelming support of the people

[pgardn]

So support means elected in an election.
hmmm...

[m>s]

Yeah when people support you they tend to vote for you. Honestly did you have a learning disability when you were in school? I'm not ragging on you just curious who I'm talking to here. Sometimes you have some ultra generic typical dumb American opinions.

[pgardn]

Yeah when people support you they tend to vote for you. Honestly did you have a learning disability when you were in school? I'm not ragging on you just curious who I'm talking to here. Sometimes you have some ultra generic typical dumb American opinions.

So monarchs are voted in if they are supported.

And you are not talking to me. We are typing in the US. Because we can. We are allowed to. This is something that totally escapes you about the country you live in. You can criticize it, you can misrepresent it, you can denigrate it and you only strengthen the lesson that escapes you. There is a lot wrong with the US. And we pretty much disagree with what is wrong. But if what you think is wrong has merit, becomes popular, and then changes the country, so be it.

Dont hold your breath.

[hater]

With the installation of Russian S300 SAMs on assads territory basically Putin formed a no fly zone for NATO.

Also hearing hundreds of Iranians arrived to join Assad forces and a large ground attack on ISIS is haponing soon

Meanwhile at the Pentagon, they have stated they are still unsure as to who Russia has bombed but they will refocus their efforts to train and arm more rebels :lmao :lol

[hater]

Great bibi on deck at the UN.

Shits about to get real....

[RandomGuy]

It was observed by 30 countries and found to be legit, fail



Syria calls in North Korea to monitor its presidential election

http://theweek.com/speedreads/452294/syria-calls-north-korea-monitor-presidential-election

:rollin

Sure, you go with that. :lmao

[RandomGuy]

I'm sure christianizing the entire middle east would also be attractive to non radical Christians...

You didn't actually read the link did you?

[hater]

You didn't actually read the link did you?

Read what u quoted. Nothing there disproves my claim.

[m>s]

http://theweek.com/speedreads/452294/syria-calls-north-korea-monitor-presidential-election

:rollin

Sure, you go with that. :lmaook, what about the other 29 countries? Idk why I even humor your bullshit cuck

[hater]

:lol Lavrov going HAM :wow

"we have not been formally invited to help in Iraq . We are a polite people we don't go in uninvited."

"if it looks like a terrorist, and acts like a terrorist. It is a terrorist"

:lol

[hater]

OMG

"when told Kerry was outside the room and asked if he would meet with him, Assads envoy said Let him wait!"

:lmao

Just go home Kerry. Jesus :lol

[m>s]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3255876/Russia-pouring-gasoline-fire-Syria-s-civil-war-says-America-Putin-defies-West-drops-bombs-non-ISIS-forces-fighting-Assad.html#ixzz3nK5sgPeD

[RandomGuy]

ok, what about the other 29 countries? Idk why I even humor your bullshit cuck

Go ahead and provide the list of countries, if you got the stones. I could use another laugh.

[RandomGuy]

Read what u quoted. Nothing there disproves my claim.

So you didn't actually read the link.

[m>s]

Go ahead and provide the list of countries, if you got the stones. I could use another laugh.
>literally post the link listing all of the countries
>this dumbfuck asks me to post a list

do your own homework cuck-tard

[RandomGuy]

>literally post the link listing all of the countries
>this dumbfuck asks me to post a list

do your own homework cuck-tard

Really, you posted the link showing the 30 countries that observed it? Do tell.

[RandomGuy]

While, m>s is desperately trying to find a list at the link he posted... maybe someone else can tell me, using his link, why he is having trouble finding that list.

[RandomGuy]

Its all public knowledge dude

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

You can start here. See if you can find the 30 countries. Read carefully.

[RandomGuy]

Bonus points if you actually try finding that list using the article referenced in the wiki article:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/6/4/kerry-calls-syrianpresidentialvotemeaningless.html

In the meantime, I will continue mocking what few countries were named.

[RandomGuy]

It was observed by 30 countries and found to be legit, fail


including legislators and dignitaries from Iran

:lmao

The Guardian reported on 17 June 2009 that an Iranian news website identified at least 30 polling sites with turnout over 100% and 200 sites with turnout over 95%.[104] On 21 June 2009, a spokesman from the Guardian Council (an organ of the Iranian government) stated that the number of votes cast exceeded the number of eligible voters in no more than 50 cities


employee of the Interior Ministry claiming that "the government had been preparing its fraud for weeks, purging anyone of doubtful loyalty and importing pliable staff members from around the country."[55]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election,_2009#cite_note-york-52

:rollin

Yeah, that government's opinion of elections is worth a shit... :lmao

[RandomGuy]

Whoops. Mocking m>s will have to wait for dinner.

[hater]

So you didn't actually read the link.

No you quoted 3 long paragraphs from the link. I read that shit and decided its not worth my time.

Either post the relevant shit or move along

[pgardn]

Iranian proxy Hezbollah in Jordan has been desperately trying to overthrow Assas as well.

This whole thing has turned on its head. The lines just get more blurred. Russia hit Al Nusra which the US has also hit. Al Nusra is an Queda affiliate also fighting Assad.

This is a mess.

[hater]

Agree its a mess. Lots of countries have real conflicting goals.

Quatar wants their pipeline so they are the main funders or Isis

Israel wants to expand their borders and influence to avoid the ever improving rockets

Russia wants to stop the pipeline

US wants a piece of the action and to keep their allies

France wants their gas so they don't have to suck putins dick for it

Saudi wants influence and the pipeline as well



Lets not forget the 3 biggest reserves of natural gas in the world:
IRAN
RUSSIA
QUATAR
SAUDI

[boutons_deux]

Iranian proxy Hezbollah in Jordan has been desperately trying to overthrow Assas as well.

Hezbollah, Hamas are proteges of Syria which is protege of Iran and Russia.

Hezbollah is attacking Assad? link?

Thanks, Repugs. Thrilled, grateful to see all you neocons and Repugs expressing deepest sorrow, regret, apologies for destabilizing the Middle East and Africa.

[boutons_deux]

Iranian proxy Hezbollah in Jordan has been desperately trying to overthrow Assas as well.


"Hundreds of Iranian troops have arrived in Syria in the last 10 days and will soon join government forces and their Lebanese Hezbollah allies in a major ground offensive backed by Russian air strikes, two Lebanese sources told Reuters."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-mideast-crisis-syria-iranians-exclusi-idUSKCN0RV4DN20151001