US checkmated in Syria. Chinese warships joining Russian forces in Syria.

[boutons_deux]

"Nothing is ever clear cut in this region" duh! :lol And the stupid, ignorant, naive Repugs HAD NO CLUE when they invaded Iraq for oil.

"religious loyalty cannot be excluded from a understanding of the situation." duh! :lol Muslim vs Muslim (Shia vs Sunni) And the stupid, ignorant, naive Repugs HAD NO CLUE when they invaded Iraq for oil.

Thanks, Repugs!

[pgardn]

Lol spiegel. Divide and conquer, information warfare

If you read the article you would have learned something.
If you got a better source post an article.
You wont because you read "day of the rope" fictional trash.

[pgardn]

"Nothing is ever clear cut in this region" duh! :lol And the stupid, ignorant, naive Repugs HAD NO CLUE when they invaded Iraq for oil.

"religious loyalty cannot be excluded from a understanding of the situation." duh! :lol Muslim vs Muslim (Shia vs Sunni) And the stupid, ignorant, naive Repugs HAD NO CLUE when they invaded Iraq for oil.

Thanks, Repugs!

So did you know the reasoning behind Assad asking the Russians in BEFORE this article?
Did you even read it? This article brings forth a very important dynamic that needs to be understood yet YOU never posted about it.

And Dont take the above as an apology for Cheney, Rumsfeld clown dancing.

[m>s]

If you read the article you would have learned something.
If you got a better source post an article.
You wont because you read "day of the rope" fictional trash.
I already read it a week before you posted it. I just don't believe it. Just like I didn't neoieve the stories about Russia targeting kids before the first plane even took off.

[hater]

For those of you who see a close alliance between Syria's Assad, Iran, and Russia:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/syria-leader-assad-seeks-russian-protection-from-ally-iran-a-1056263.html

Nothing is ever clear cut in this region. And religious loyalty cannot be excluded from a understanding of the situation.

Lol what a stupid bullshit article.

It's been documented that the Iranians are the ones who asked for the Russian help. They negotiated multimillion weapons and space equipment deals in order to convince the Russians to join them. That and the fact that Assad was about to fall of course.

Wake up. This was an alliance between Iran and Russia and it was proposed by Iran.

Wow what bullshit articles abound....

[boutons_deux]

So did you know the reasoning behind Assad asking the Russians in BEFORE this article?
Did you even read it? This article brings forth a very important dynamic that needs to be understood yet YOU never posted about it.

And Dont take the above as an apology for Cheney, Rumsfeld clown dancing.

yes, of course, I knew. Don't doubt The Great Boutons massive, deep knowledge of world affairs.

Assad has been a Russian protege for a long time, supplying military equipment, a large military/diplomatic/cadre mission, and with Assad giving Russian fleet a port on the Med.

[hater]

Lol apparently Cuban generals and tank commanders have arrived in Syria to help out. :lol

Lol Puting calling back the old gang like Gandalf :lol

Shits about to get real :lol

[RandomGuy]

Yahoo has a ton of stuff. Reuters, Christian Science Monitor, a wide variety. But then ads interspersed.

Add to that Economist.

[RandomGuy]

Lol spiegel. Divide and conquer, information warfare

Are those websites with list of 30 "countries" that said Syria's election was legit?

[m>s]

Forum stalking

[pgardn]

Lol what a stupid bullshit article.

It's been documented that the Iranians are the ones who asked for the Russian help. They negotiated multimillion weapons and space equipment deals in order to convince the Russians to join them. That and the fact that Assad was about to fall of course.

Wake up. This was an alliance between Iran and Russia and it was proposed by Iran.

Wow what bullshit articles abound....

Iran has a strangle hold on Assad. Give me your aricle to refute this one before calling bs.
Der Speigel is not your RT news. It's not run by a government numb nuts.
You had no clue and now you do. You are welcome.

[pgardn]

Lol apparently Cuban generals and tank commanders have arrived in Syria to help out. :lol

Lol Puting calling back the old gang like Gandalf :lol

Shits about to get real :lol

Cuban generals...
Oh no, not that.
The experience they bring... Cuban tank commanders, with the expertise they have in, in, Uhhh....
Holy shit this is as laughable as China playing a major role.

Cubans? Are you Fckn serious? Bring in the big guns lol!
Its getting real, the tide turned once the mighty Cubans entered the fray!
Holy shit...

[pgardn]

yes, of course, I knew. Don't doubt The Great Boutons massive, deep knowledge of world affairs.

Assad has been a Russian protege for a long time, supplying military equipment, a large military/diplomatic/cadre mission, and with Assad giving Russian fleet a port on the Med.

No, no.
The Iranian dynamic.
Read it.

[pgardn]

I already read it a week before you posted it. I just don't believe it. Just like I didn't neoieve the stories about Russia targeting kids before the first plane even took off.

So you stick with that rope fiction then.

[boutons_deux]

Why the US Is Eternally Caught Off Guard in the Middle East

The national security state and the military seem to have created an un-intelligence system.

1,500.

That figure stunned me. I found it in the 12th paragraph of a front-page (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/24/world/military-analyst-again-raises-red-flags-on-progress-in-iraq.html)New York Times story about “senior commanders” at U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM (http://www.centcom.mil/)) playing fast and loose with intelligence reports to give their air war against ISIS an unjustified sheen of success: “CENTCOM’s mammoth intelligence operation, with some 1,500 civilian, military, and contract analysts, is housed at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, in a bay front building that has the look of a sterile government facility posing as a Spanish hacienda.”



Think about that. CENTCOM, one of six (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Combatant_Command) U.S. military commands that divide the planet up like a pie, has at least 1,500 intelligence analysts (military, civilian, and private contractors) all to itself. Let me repeat that: 1,500 of them. CENTCOM is essentially the country’s war command, responsible for most of the Greater Middle East, that expanse of now-chaotic territory filled with strife-torn and failing states that runs from Pakistan’s border to Egypt. That’s no small task and about it there is much to be known. Still, that figure should act like a flash of lightning, illuminating for a second an otherwise dark and stormy landscape.

And mind you, that’s just the analysts, not the full CENTCOM intelligence roster for which we have no figure at all. In other words, even if that 1,500 represents a full count of the command’s intelligence analysts, not just the ones at its Tampa headquarters but in the field at places like its enormous operation at al-Udeid Air Base (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Udeid_Air_Base) in Qatar, CENTCOM still has almost half as many of them as military personnel on the ground in Iraq (3,500 (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/politics/u-s-considering-1000-additional-troops-in-iraq/) at latest count). Now, try to imagine what those 1,500 analysts are doing, even for a command deep in a “quagmire” in Syria and Iraq, as President Obama recently dubbed it (though he was admittedly speaking about (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/03/us-mideast-crisis-syria-airstrikes-idUSKCN0RW0W220151003) the Russians), as well as what looks like a failing war, 14 years later, in Afghanistan, and another in Yemen led by the Saudis but backed by Washington. Even given all of that, what in the world could they possibly be “analyzing”? Who at CENTCOM, in the Defense Intelligence Agency, or elsewhere has the time to attend to the reports and data flows that must be generated by 1,500 analysts?

Of course, in the gargantuan beast that is the American military and intelligence universe, streams of raw intelligence beyond compare are undoubtedly flooding into CENTCOM’s headquarters, possibly overwhelming even 1,500 analysts. There’s “human intelligence,” or HUMINT, from sources and agents on the ground; there’s imagery and satellite intelligence, or GEOINT, by the bushelful. Given the size and scope of American global surveillance activities, there must be untold tons of signals intelligence, or SIGINT; and with all those drones flying over battlefields and prospective battlefields across the Greater Middle East, there’s undoubtedly a river of full motion video, or FMV, flowing into CENTCOM headquarters and various command posts; and don’t forget the information being shared with the command by allied intelligence services, including those of the “five eyes (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/an-exclusive-club-the-five-countries-that-dont-spy-on-each-other/)“ nations, and various Middle Eastern countries; and of course, some of the command’s analysts must be handling humdrum, everyday open-source material, or OSINT, as well -- local radio and TV broadcasts, the press, the Internet, scholarly journals, and god knows what else.

And while you’re thinking about all this, keep in mind that those 1,500 analysts feed into, and assumedly draw on, an intelligence system of a size surely unmatched even by the totalitarian regimes of the twentieth century.

Think of it: the U.S. Intelligence Community has -- count ‘em -- 17 (https://www.intelligencecareers.gov/icmembers.html) agencies and outfits,

eating close to $70 billion (http://fas.org/irp/budget/) annually,

more than $500 billion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/black-budget-summary-details-us-spy-networks-successes-failures-and-objectives/2013/08/29/7e57bb78-10ab-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_story.html) between 2001 and 2013.

And if that doesn’t stagger you, think about the 500,000 private contractors (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/nsa-leak-contractors_n_3418876.html?1370919691) hooked into the system in one way or another,

the 1.4 million people (http://www.salon.com/2013/06/11/500000_contractors_can_access_nsa_data_hoards/) (34% of them private contractors) with access to “top secret” information, and the 5.1 million -- larger than (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/03/24/5-1-million-americans-have-security-clearances-thats-more-than-the-entire-population-of-norway/) Norway’s population -- with access to “confidential and secret” information.

Remember as well that, in these years, a global surveillance state (http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175713/tomgram%3A_engelhardt,_you_are_our_secret/) of Orwellian proportions has been ramped up. It gathers (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining) billions of emails and cell phone calls from the backlands of the planet; has kept tabs on at least 35 leaders (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/24/nsa-surveillance-world-leaders-calls) of other countries and the secretary general (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un) of the U.N. by hacking (http://www.commondreams.org/news/2013/09/02/revealed-nsa-hacked-email-phones-latin-american-presidents) email accounts, tapping (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/merkel-calls-obama-over-suspicions-us-tapped-her-mobile-phone-a-929642.html) cell phones, and so on; keeps a careful eye and ear on its own citizens, including video gamers (http://www.propublica.org/article/world-of-spycraft-intelligence-agencies-spied-in-online-games); and even, it seems, spies on Congress (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/01/04/the-nsa-refuses-to-deny-spying-on-members-of-congress/). (After all, whom can you trust?)

Surprised, Caught Off Guard, and Left Scrambling

The question remains: If data almost beyond imagining flows into CENTCOM, what are those 1,500 analysts actually doing? How are they passing their time? What exactly do they produce and does it really qualify as “intelligence,” no less prove useful? Of course, we out here have limited access to the intelligence produced by CENTCOM, unless stories like the one about top commanders fudging assessments on the air war against the Islamic State break into the media. So you might assume that there’s no way of measuring the effectiveness of the command’s intelligence operations. But you would be wrong. It is, in fact, possible to produce a rough gauge of its effectiveness. Let’s call it the TomDispatch Surprise Measurement System, or TSMS. Think of it as a practical, news-based guide to the questions: What did they know and when did they know it?

Take the seizure at the end of September by a few hundred Taliban fighters of the northern provincial Afghan capital of Kunduz, the first city the Taliban has controlled, however briefly, since it was ejected from that same town in 2002 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/asia/us-base-seen-as-monument-to-futility-as-afghans-watch-kunduz-fall.html). In the process, the Taliban fighters reportedly scattered up to 7,000 members (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/29/world/asia/taliban-fighters-enter-city-of-kunduz-in-northern-afghanistan.html) of the Afghan security forces that the U.S. has been training (http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175907/tomgram%3A_william_astore,_america%27s_hollow_fore ign_legions), funding, and arming for years.

For anyone following news reports (http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/taliban-capture-of-kunduz-is-no-surprise-1.1594318) closely, the Taliban had for months been tightening its control over rural areas around Kunduz and testing the city’s defenses. Nonetheless, this May, based assumedly on the best intelligence analyses available from CENTCOM, the top U.S. commander in the country, Army General John Campbell, offered this predictive comment (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/a-taliban-prize-won-in-a-few-hours-after-years-of-strategy.html): “If you take a look very closely at some of the things in Kunduz and up in [neighboring] Badakhshan [Province], [the Taliban] will attack some very small checkpoints... They will go out and hit a little bit and then they kind of go to ground... so they’re not gaining territory for the most part.’”

As late as August 13th, at a press briefing (http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/613684/department-of-defense-press-briefing-with-brigadier-general-wilson-shoffner-dep), an ABC News reporter asked Brigadier General Wilson Shoffner, the U.S. deputy chief of staff for communications in Afghanistan: “There has been a significant increase in Taliban activity in northern Afghanistan, particularly around Kunduz. What is behind that? Are the Afghan troops in that part of Afghanistan at risk of falling to the Taliban?”

Shoffner responded, in part, this way: “So, again, I think there's been a lot of generalization when it comes to reports on the north. Kunduz is -- is not now, and has not been in danger of being overrun by the Taliban, and so -- with that, it's kind of a general perspective in the north, that's sort of how we see it.”

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-us-eternally-caught-guard-middle-east

[pgardn]

Why the US Is Eternally Caught Off Guard in the Middle East

The national security state and the military seem to have created an un-intelligence system.

1,500.

That figure stunned me. I found it in the 12th paragraph of a front-page (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/24/world/military-analyst-again-raises-red-flags-on-progress-in-iraq.html)New York Times story about “senior commanders” at U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM (http://www.centcom.mil/)) playing fast and loose with intelligence reports to give their air war against ISIS an unjustified sheen of success: “CENTCOM’s mammoth intelligence operation, with some 1,500 civilian, military, and contract analysts, is housed at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, in a bay front building that has the look of a sterile government facility posing as a Spanish hacienda.”



Think about that. CENTCOM, one of six (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Combatant_Command) U.S. military commands that divide the planet up like a pie, has at least 1,500 intelligence analysts (military, civilian, and private contractors) all to itself. Let me repeat that: 1,500 of them. CENTCOM is essentially the country’s war command, responsible for most of the Greater Middle East, that expanse of now-chaotic territory filled with strife-torn and failing states that runs from Pakistan’s border to Egypt. That’s no small task and about it there is much to be known. Still, that figure should act like a flash of lightning, illuminating for a second an otherwise dark and stormy landscape.

And mind you, that’s just the analysts, not the full CENTCOM intelligence roster for which we have no figure at all. In other words, even if that 1,500 represents a full count of the command’s intelligence analysts, not just the ones at its Tampa headquarters but in the field at places like its enormous operation at al-Udeid Air Base (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Udeid_Air_Base) in Qatar, CENTCOM still has almost half as many of them as military personnel on the ground in Iraq (3,500 (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/politics/u-s-considering-1000-additional-troops-in-iraq/) at latest count). Now, try to imagine what those 1,500 analysts are doing, even for a command deep in a “quagmire” in Syria and Iraq, as President Obama recently dubbed it (though he was admittedly speaking about (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/03/us-mideast-crisis-syria-airstrikes-idUSKCN0RW0W220151003) the Russians), as well as what looks like a failing war, 14 years later, in Afghanistan, and another in Yemen led by the Saudis but backed by Washington. Even given all of that, what in the world could they possibly be “analyzing”? Who at CENTCOM, in the Defense Intelligence Agency, or elsewhere has the time to attend to the reports and data flows that must be generated by 1,500 analysts?

Of course, in the gargantuan beast that is the American military and intelligence universe, streams of raw intelligence beyond compare are undoubtedly flooding into CENTCOM’s headquarters, possibly overwhelming even 1,500 analysts. There’s “human intelligence,” or HUMINT, from sources and agents on the ground; there’s imagery and satellite intelligence, or GEOINT, by the bushelful. Given the size and scope of American global surveillance activities, there must be untold tons of signals intelligence, or SIGINT; and with all those drones flying over battlefields and prospective battlefields across the Greater Middle East, there’s undoubtedly a river of full motion video, or FMV, flowing into CENTCOM headquarters and various command posts; and don’t forget the information being shared with the command by allied intelligence services, including those of the “five eyes (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/an-exclusive-club-the-five-countries-that-dont-spy-on-each-other/)“ nations, and various Middle Eastern countries; and of course, some of the command’s analysts must be handling humdrum, everyday open-source material, or OSINT, as well -- local radio and TV broadcasts, the press, the Internet, scholarly journals, and god knows what else.

And while you’re thinking about all this, keep in mind that those 1,500 analysts feed into, and assumedly draw on, an intelligence system of a size surely unmatched even by the totalitarian regimes of the twentieth century.

Think of it: the U.S. Intelligence Community has -- count ‘em -- 17 (https://www.intelligencecareers.gov/icmembers.html) agencies and outfits,

eating close to $70 billion (http://fas.org/irp/budget/) annually,

more than $500 billion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/black-budget-summary-details-us-spy-networks-successes-failures-and-objectives/2013/08/29/7e57bb78-10ab-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_story.html) between 2001 and 2013.

And if that doesn’t stagger you, think about the 500,000 private contractors (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/nsa-leak-contractors_n_3418876.html?1370919691) hooked into the system in one way or another,

the 1.4 million people (http://www.salon.com/2013/06/11/500000_contractors_can_access_nsa_data_hoards/) (34% of them private contractors) with access to “top secret” information, and the 5.1 million -- larger than (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/03/24/5-1-million-americans-have-security-clearances-thats-more-than-the-entire-population-of-norway/) Norway’s population -- with access to “confidential and secret” information.

Remember as well that, in these years, a global surveillance state (http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175713/tomgram%3A_engelhardt,_you_are_our_secret/) of Orwellian proportions has been ramped up. It gathers (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining) billions of emails and cell phone calls from the backlands of the planet; has kept tabs on at least 35 leaders (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/24/nsa-surveillance-world-leaders-calls) of other countries and the secretary general (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un) of the U.N. by hacking (http://www.commondreams.org/news/2013/09/02/revealed-nsa-hacked-email-phones-latin-american-presidents) email accounts, tapping (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/merkel-calls-obama-over-suspicions-us-tapped-her-mobile-phone-a-929642.html) cell phones, and so on; keeps a careful eye and ear on its own citizens, including video gamers (http://www.propublica.org/article/world-of-spycraft-intelligence-agencies-spied-in-online-games); and even, it seems, spies on Congress (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/01/04/the-nsa-refuses-to-deny-spying-on-members-of-congress/). (After all, whom can you trust?)

Surprised, Caught Off Guard, and Left Scrambling

The question remains: If data almost beyond imagining flows into CENTCOM, what are those 1,500 analysts actually doing? How are they passing their time? What exactly do they produce and does it really qualify as “intelligence,” no less prove useful? Of course, we out here have limited access to the intelligence produced by CENTCOM, unless stories like the one about top commanders fudging assessments on the air war against the Islamic State break into the media. So you might assume that there’s no way of measuring the effectiveness of the command’s intelligence operations. But you would be wrong. It is, in fact, possible to produce a rough gauge of its effectiveness. Let’s call it the TomDispatch Surprise Measurement System, or TSMS. Think of it as a practical, news-based guide to the questions: What did they know and when did they know it?

Take the seizure at the end of September by a few hundred Taliban fighters of the northern provincial Afghan capital of Kunduz, the first city the Taliban has controlled, however briefly, since it was ejected from that same town in 2002 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/asia/us-base-seen-as-monument-to-futility-as-afghans-watch-kunduz-fall.html). In the process, the Taliban fighters reportedly scattered up to 7,000 members (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/29/world/asia/taliban-fighters-enter-city-of-kunduz-in-northern-afghanistan.html) of the Afghan security forces that the U.S. has been training (http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175907/tomgram%3A_william_astore,_america%27s_hollow_fore ign_legions), funding, and arming for years.

For anyone following news reports (http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/taliban-capture-of-kunduz-is-no-surprise-1.1594318) closely, the Taliban had for months been tightening its control over rural areas around Kunduz and testing the city’s defenses. Nonetheless, this May, based assumedly on the best intelligence analyses available from CENTCOM, the top U.S. commander in the country, Army General John Campbell, offered this predictive comment (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/world/a-taliban-prize-won-in-a-few-hours-after-years-of-strategy.html): “If you take a look very closely at some of the things in Kunduz and up in [neighboring] Badakhshan [Province], [the Taliban] will attack some very small checkpoints... They will go out and hit a little bit and then they kind of go to ground... so they’re not gaining territory for the most part.’”

As late as August 13th, at a press briefing (http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/613684/department-of-defense-press-briefing-with-brigadier-general-wilson-shoffner-dep), an ABC News reporter asked Brigadier General Wilson Shoffner, the U.S. deputy chief of staff for communications in Afghanistan: “There has been a significant increase in Taliban activity in northern Afghanistan, particularly around Kunduz. What is behind that? Are the Afghan troops in that part of Afghanistan at risk of falling to the Taliban?”

Shoffner responded, in part, this way: “So, again, I think there's been a lot of generalization when it comes to reports on the north. Kunduz is -- is not now, and has not been in danger of being overrun by the Taliban, and so -- with that, it's kind of a general perspective in the north, that's sort of how we see it.”

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-us-eternally-caught-guard-middle-east




Ok...

So what does this have to do with Assad's concerns over Iran?
The US will always be caught off guard as the decision to react is not the same as having intelligence capabilities.

[hater]

Cuban generals...
Oh no, not that.
The experience they bring... Cuban tank commanders, with the expertise they have in, in, Uhhh....
Holy shit this is as laughable as China playing a major role.

Cubans? Are you Fckn serious? Bring in the big guns lol!
Its getting real, the tide turned once the mighty Cubans entered the fray!
Holy shit...

It's funny cause nobody respects the US anymore. And yes there was a time most countries respected the US out of fear. That seems to be gone now.

[hater]

Iran has a strangle hold on Assad. Give me your aricle to refute this one before calling bs.
Der Speigel is not your RT news. It's not run by a government numb nuts.
You had no clue and now you do. You are welcome.

Here are a few links that tell the facts smh that Spiegel Disney story :lol please wake the fuck up

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/06/us-mideast-crisis-syria-soleimani-insigh-idUSKCN0S02BV20151006

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/07/in-moscow-iranian-general-lobbied-for-russia-to-strike-in-syria-officials-say/

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-how-iranian-general-plotted-out-syrian-assault-in-moscow-2015-10


Reuters:
"At a meeting in Moscow in July, a top Iranian general unfurled a map of Syria to explain to his Russian hosts how a series of defeats for President Bashar al-Assad could be turned into victory - with Russia's help.

Major General Qassem Soleimani's visit to Moscow was the first step in planning for a Russian military intervention that has reshaped the Syrian war and forged a new Iranian-Russian alliance in support of Assad.

As Russian warplanes bomb rebels from above, the arrival of Iranian special forces for ground operations underscores several months of planning between Assad's two most important allies, driven by panic at rapid insurgent gains."

Fox:
Iran played an integral role leading up to Russia's move to launch its air campaign in Syria and play a stronger role in Iraq, with one of Tehran's most powerful generals meeting for three hours with President Vladimir Putin to push for intervention, Iraqi government officials tell The Associated Press.

Gen. Qassem Soleimani, head of Iran's elite Quds Force, went to Moscow in August with the message that Russian airstrikes against the Islamic State group in Syria were imperative, said the two senior officials, who were later briefed on the meeting. Soleimani and Putin reviewed maps and surveillance photos and shared intelligence, all suggesting the militant group would expand its reach to Russia's doorstep in the Caucuses if Moscow didn't act, the two officials said.

The decision for a joint Iranian-Russian military effort in Syria was taken at a meeting between Russia's foreign minister and Khamenei a few months ago, said a senior official of a country in the region, involved in security matters.

"Soleimani, assigned by Khamenei to run the Iranian side of the operation, traveled to Moscow to discuss details. And he also traveled to Syria several times since then," the official said.

The Russian government says its Syria deployment came as the result of a formal request from Assad, who himself laid out the problems facing the Syrian military in stark terms in July, saying it faced a manpower problem.

Khamenei also sent a senior envoy to Moscow to meet President Vladimir Putin, another senior regional official said. "Putin told him 'Okay we will intervene. Send Qassem Soleimani'. He went to explain the map of the theater."


now please come back to reality and stop with that bullshit story :lol

[RandomGuy]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/57857857.jpg

That's ok. We already know that.

Found that list of 30 countries yet? :lmao

[m>s]

Muh 30 list

better than having a wife with 30 notches on the bed post cuck. Leave me alone I don't want to argue anymore, I'm turning over a new leaf

[pgardn]

Here are a few links that tell the facts smh that Spiegel Disney story :lol please wake the fuck up

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/06/us-mideast-crisis-syria-soleimani-insigh-idUSKCN0S02BV20151006

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/07/in-moscow-iranian-general-lobbied-for-russia-to-strike-in-syria-officials-say/

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-how-iranian-general-plotted-out-syrian-assault-in-moscow-2015-10


Reuters:
"At a meeting in Moscow in July, a top Iranian general unfurled a map of Syria to explain to his Russian hosts how a series of defeats for President Bashar al-Assad could be turned into victory - with Russia's help.

Major General Qassem Soleimani's visit to Moscow was the first step in planning for a Russian military intervention that has reshaped the Syrian war and forged a new Iranian-Russian alliance in support of Assad.

As Russian warplanes bomb rebels from above, the arrival of Iranian special forces for ground operations underscores several months of planning between Assad's two most important allies, driven by panic at rapid insurgent gains."

Fox:
Iran played an integral role leading up to Russia's move to launch its air campaign in Syria and play a stronger role in Iraq, with one of Tehran's most powerful generals meeting for three hours with President Vladimir Putin to push for intervention, Iraqi government officials tell The Associated Press.

Gen. Qassem Soleimani, head of Iran's elite Quds Force, went to Moscow in August with the message that Russian airstrikes against the Islamic State group in Syria were imperative, said the two senior officials, who were later briefed on the meeting. Soleimani and Putin reviewed maps and surveillance photos and shared intelligence, all suggesting the militant group would expand its reach to Russia's doorstep in the Caucuses if Moscow didn't act, the two officials said.

The decision for a joint Iranian-Russian military effort in Syria was taken at a meeting between Russia's foreign minister and Khamenei a few months ago, said a senior official of a country in the region, involved in security matters.

"Soleimani, assigned by Khamenei to run the Iranian side of the operation, traveled to Moscow to discuss details. And he also traveled to Syria several times since then," the official said.

The Russian government says its Syria deployment came as the result of a formal request from Assad, who himself laid out the problems facing the Syrian military in stark terms in July, saying it faced a manpower problem.

Khamenei also sent a senior envoy to Moscow to meet President Vladimir Putin, another senior regional official said. "Putin told him 'Okay we will intervene. Send Qassem Soleimani'. He went to explain the map of the theater."


now please come back to reality and stop with that bullshit story :lol

None of this, absolutely none of this refutes the assertion the Der Spiegel article laid out.

This is NOT a Russia-Iran conflict
Its an Iran-Syria(Assad) back room power play.

Read the frkn article again and read what dynamic is portrayed. None of your aricles or anything you posted refutes ANY of that. Try to follow the assertion. It's Assad v. Iran and who might be calling the shots in the future.

Fail and totally off subject.
Try again.

[pgardn]

It's funny cause nobody respects the US anymore. And yes there was a time most countries respected the US out of fear. That seems to be gone now.

So when should we expect Cuban tanks in Washington?

Fear? Is that what the US seeks?

Actually its influence so our economy and Democracy stays strong.
So do you pay your alleged wetbacks in Rubles or would they rather have the Yuan?
Get off the middle school fear factor. It's childish and stupid.

The US has spread quite a bit of fear among a very large number of people who hear drones in their dreams. Where has that gotten us? We completely dismantled Iraq and Afghanistan and killed Bin Laden. We turned Al Q on its head. Where has that gotten us?

Everyone understands that if a country is really serious, you put men on the ground in large numbers and practice ruthless, quick, overwhelming force. We did that to Iraq already. So you want the US to play that card again?
Fool.

The American people don't want it and most of our politicians don't want it. (McCain might be an exception)

So WTF do you expect? You just want us to keep droning pirates and Isamic nuts so that everyone around them won't sleep well for the rest of their lives? You are enamored with that Russian respect? Seriously, where are you coming from with this respect BS? You want Obama to take off his shirt, jump in freezing water, and emerge with erect nipples? This would do it for you?

Trust is much more important. Trust leads to respect. This, is another story.

[hater]

None of this, absolutely none of this refutes the assertion the Der Spiegel article laid out.

This is NOT a Russia-Iran conflict
Its an Iran-Syria(Assad) back room power play.

Read the frkn article again and read what dynamic is portrayed. None of your aricles or anything you posted refutes ANY of that. Try to follow the assertion. It's Assad v. Iran and who might be calling the shots in the future.

Fail and totally off subject.
Try again.

:lol you need to go back to reading school.

From your bullshit article:
Iran has long been sending troops and material to help Syrian autocrat Bashar Assad wage war against his own people. But now Tehran is busy establishing a state within a state -- which is why Assad now wants help from Russia.

From my articles:
The decision for a joint Iranian-Russian military effort in Syria was taken at a meeting between Russia's foreign minister and Iran's Khamenei a few months ago, said a senior official of a country in the region, involved in security matters.

those 2 statements are contradictory. Please try to keep up :rolleyes

[pgardn]

:lol you need to go back to reading school.

From your bullshit article:
Iran has long been sending troops and material to help Syrian autocrat Bashar Assad wage war against his own people. But now Tehran is busy establishing a state within a state -- which is why Assad now wants help from Russia.

From my articles:
The decision for a joint Iranian-Russian military effort in Syria was taken at a meeting between Russia's foreign minister and Iran's Khamenei a few months ago, said a senior official of a country in the region, involved in security matters.

those 2 statements are contradictory. Please try to keep up :rolleyes

No they simply are not.


You still don't get it. The Russians have no stake in Assad staying as long as they get the Iranians to do the dirty work. What Russia will have, if they are able to maintain this small section of Syria, is a say in who Iran chooses... Keep Assasd and let the Iranians bully him, or pick a NEW SHIITE leader.

Do you get that the Alawite Syrians don't want the Shiites to have control? Did you read the article? You knew this dynamic already exisred BEFORE you read the article? You knew what sorry shape the Alawite Syrians were in concerning the Shiite Iranians?

[pgardn]

Add to that Economist.

I don't see the Economist in the Yahoo international news compilation very often. But that is a great magazine. I just never had time to read it fully. Those articles are very "heavy", they take a lot of time to read.

[RandomGuy]

I don't see the Economist in the Yahoo international news compilation very often. But that is a great magazine. I just never had time to read it fully. Those articles are very "heavy", they take a lot of time to read.

Friend them on facebook. Their feeds tend to be very good bites of information. They do a lot of things right.

[RandomGuy]

None of this, absolutely none of this refutes the assertion the Der Spiegel article laid out.

This is NOT a Russia-Iran conflict
Its an Iran-Syria(Assad) back room power play.

Read the frkn article again and read what dynamic is portrayed. None of your aricles or anything you posted refutes ANY of that. Try to follow the assertion. It's Assad v. Iran and who might be calling the shots in the future.

Fail and totally off subject.
Try again.

You are assuming hater is capable of rubbing two coherent thoughts together. He reads and remembers, but hasn't quite expressed a capability of critical thinking or comprehension about what he reads. That critical piece eludes him.

[RandomGuy]

Muh 30 list

better than having a wife with 30 notches on the bed post cuck. Leave me alone I don't want to argue anymore, I'm turning over a new leaf

I accept your surrender. Next time, you might want to read your own links. Stop being lazy.

[hater]

:lol not knowing about the 200 year old kingdom of Jerusalem

:lol butthurt about it

[Agloco]

You are assuming hater is capable of rubbing two coherent thoughts together. He reads and remembers, but hasn't quite expressed a capability of critical thinking or comprehension about what he reads. That critical piece eludes him.

You beat me to it. He also tends to move goal posts from time to time which just serves to confound matters when attempting to engage him.

[hater]

Apparently 100 terrorists a day are shaving their beards and running to Europe via turkey away from Russian jets :wow

Europe is fucked

[hater]

Good news. Isis suicide bombing training facility destroyed by Russia. Senior al qaeda boss killed by airstrike :tu

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Apparently 100 terrorists a day are shaving their beards and running to Europe via turkey away from Russian jets :wowEurope is fuckedRight from Russia Channel 3 to you here as Spurstalk, weak Americans! Syria is a holdover from the Soviet era and is similar in relation and importance to a NATO country for the US to Russia's geopolitical interests. Mediterranean port and a Lebanese throw from the Caucasus and all that. Syria has been at civil war for more than 2 years now. Russia is now finally intervening when the regime is on the brink of collapse providing air support? That would be like Turkey disintegrating and NATO holding its hands for two years. I would hope the Russian military can hold off the advance of cobbled together Sunni militia groups. They have better equipment than barrel bombs and artillery.Thing is that Russia is now propping up two regimes militarily and oil is still $50 a barrel. Soviet style paper dragon.

[hater]

Still beats the US "pretending" to bomb ISIS for the last 2 years while secretly arming them.

Them US just following orders from Saudi and Israel to keep the middle East in a turmoil. That's even more pathetic than anything Russia has done.

And :lol being the terrorists air force in lybia. What did that get us? Oh that's right it got our ambassador killed

[m>s]

http://youtu.be/HdnWCBuCDEE

[hater]

655486013855432704

[hater]

655478807982268416

[hater]

655469591829676032

[pgardn]

RT news...

A government run paper.
GTFOH.

Hater and the Nazis on the same page. Both love fiction.

[pgardn]

Right from Russia Channel 3 to you here as Spurstalk, weak Americans! Syria is a holdover from the Soviet era and is similar in relation and importance to a NATO country for the US to Russia's geopolitical interests. Mediterranean port and a Lebanese throw from the Caucasus and all that. Syria has been at civil war for more than 2 years now. Russia is now finally intervening when the regime is on the brink of collapse providing air support? That would be like Turkey disintegrating and NATO holding its hands for two years. I would hope the Russian military can hold off the advance of cobbled together Sunni militia groups. They have better equipment than barrel bombs and artillery.Thing is that Russia is now propping up two regimes militarily and oil is still $50 a barrel. Soviet style paper dragon.

Good points. Russia claiming they don't get into other's business while the US obviously wades into some very big messes. Russia is just strapped down to that oil price. One dimensional economy. Russia is such a sad story and has been so for a good long while.

M>s and Infinitely Limited? When you guys going in on the ground in Syria to fight the "good" fight? Hater to join them a few clicks to the rear.

[m>s]

I've already been to Syria back when all this started. You? Go fight alongside terrorists you sack of shit. Go get owned by a Russian air strike.

[hater]

RT news...

A government run paper.
GTFOH.

Hater and the Nazis on the same page. Both love fiction.

Thinking CNN and FOX are news networks is actually 10x worse

As John Waters recently said (one of the finest humans in history)
"Americans wake up CNN, fox, wall street journal and nyt are nothing but CIA mouthpieces"

[boutons_deux]

"Russia claiming they don't get into other's business"

... USSR invading Afghanistan, and $Bs and lives it cost, esp when the price of oil collapsed, was a major "business" that helped bring down the USSR (not Useful Idiot St Ronnie who happened to be standing around or at his ranch)

[pgardn]

Thinking CNN and FOX are news networks is actually 10x worse

As John Waters recently said (one of the finest humans in history)
"Americans wake up CNN, fox, wall street journal and nyt are nothing but CIA mouthpieces"

Who said this besides you?
NYTimes has opened some of the largest single cans of whip ass on the US government. RT news... repudiating Putin? When? Never. Mouthpiece... and you put up sites THAT ARE GOVERNMENT run. No comparison.

You are as bad as Cosmos. Did the US go to the moon?

[pgardn]

I've already been to Syria back when all this started. You? Go fight alongside terrorists you sack of shit. Go get owned by a Russian air strike.

How did you get there and where were you in Syria? How much did it cost? What did you eat while there? Did you see any combat?

Did Hater come with you to confirm the RT news?

[m>s]

I've Already been through this discussion with another forum troll. I went through Cyprus. It didn't cost me anything, I was compensated. I ate whatever rations the Syrian army gave me. And yes I did see combat.

[hater]

Who said this besides you?
NYTimes has opened some of the largest single cans of whip ass on the US government. RT news... repudiating Putin? When? Never. Mouthpiece... and you put up sites THAT ARE GOVERNMENT run. No comparison.

You are as bad as Cosmos. Did the US go to the moon?

:lmao defending NYT

Sorry for you man. Feel very sorry for you. US propaganda has played a sweet number on you

[hater]

Oh and a little hint for your rookie ass:

Just because a paper critizizes Obama admin does not mean they are not paid by the CIA to do so.

[pgardn]

Oh and a little hint for your rookie ass:

Just because a paper critizizes Obama admin does not mean they are not paid by the CIA to do so.

So does the CIA fund the paper, or just merely order it to print certain articles it has aalready written for the NYTimes?
You are breaking new ground here hater, let's see the evidence. RT news being run by government entities is NOT breaking new ground.

Please inform the board how the arrangement between the Times and the CIA works. And then tell the board how deeply the CIA runs the Washington Post and The Guardian, because I get a lot of corroboration between these news outlets. And then of course Der Spiegel is also unbelievable, so who funds them to tell Western lies?

Back it up.

We got yet another conspiracy moonbat coming out of the closet. Have you been on the ground in Syria as well?

[boutons_deux]

Great weather for bombing
http://blogs.afp.com/english/public/Russia_--_propaganda/.russia-syria-media-history-006_m.jpg

http://blogs.afp.com/correspondent/?post/great-weather-for-bombing

[pgardn]

The above is a Western plot to undermine Putin. The blogger is a Russian educated in the US and not a part of RT news. She is a traitor to her country and leader for writing such things. And she better watch her back or she will end up like Putin's viable political opponents, dead.

-Hater & m>s

*defenders of the people* white people...

[cheguevara]

A military official quoted by Syria’s state-run SANA media outlet said Saturday that two F-16s from the U.S.-led coalition violated Syrian airspace and targeted civilian infrastructure in Aleppo. The unnamed official said the strikes destroyed two power plants in the Radwaniyah area east of Aleppo city, causing a blackout.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/10/10/fierce-battles-in-central-syria-amid-russian-airstrikes/73725180/

This bizarre story was initially carried in USA Today and by SANA in Damascus. 10AM Saturday morning, Damascus time, two US built F 16 aircraft crossed the Turkish border into Syria at low altitude. Their bomb loads were dropped on power plants east of Aleppo with collateral damage in a nearby neighborhoods killing up to 5 and injuring as many as a dozen more.

The aircraft flew from Incirlik Air Force Base, home to America’s 10th Air Wing. This is the first coalition attack officially directed against civilian infrastructure targets. The US bombing campaign which began in 2014, has “accidentally” destroyed a number of key Syrian infrastructure projects including water purification and power facilities.

As with the recent bombing in Afghanistan that destroyed a Doctors Without Borders hospital there, American officials are giving out no information on the pilots who flew the aircraft or what unannounced policy change by the Obama government would allow what is a dangerous provocation.

[cheguevara]

US strategy vs Syria/Russia:
You want Aleppo? fucking take it, no more power and water there thou. good luck.

Fears of mass exodus of refugees from the large city. oh well

[Winehole23]

M.K. Bhadrakumar spies Russian diplomacy:

http://atimes.com/2015/10/diplomatic-leg-work-on-syria-gathers-momentum/

[m>s]

A military official quoted by Syria’s state-run SANA media outlet said Saturday that two F-16s from the U.S.-led coalition violated Syrian airspace and targeted civilian infrastructure in Aleppo. The unnamed official said the strikes destroyed two power plants in the Radwaniyah area east of Aleppo city, causing a blackout.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/10/10/fierce-battles-in-central-syria-amid-russian-airstrikes/73725180/

This bizarre story was initially carried in USA Today and by SANA in Damascus. 10AM Saturday morning, Damascus time, two US built F 16 aircraft crossed the Turkish border into Syria at low altitude. Their bomb loads were dropped on power plants east of Aleppo with collateral damage in a nearby neighborhoods killing up to 5 and injuring as many as a dozen more.

The aircraft flew from Incirlik Air Force Base, home to America’s 10th Air Wing. This is the first coalition attack officially directed against civilian infrastructure targets. The US bombing campaign which began in 2014, has “accidentally” destroyed a number of key Syrian infrastructure projects including water purification and power facilities.

As with the recent bombing in Afghanistan that destroyed a Doctors Without Borders hospital there, American officials are giving out no information on the pilots who flew the aircraft or what unannounced policy change by the Obama government would allow what is a dangerous provocation.
terroristic fucks, time for SAA to put those S-300s to use

[hater]

Good read on Russia using bleeding edge spy and signal jamming tools. Them are not fucking around. No wonder ISIS members are shaving their beards and dressing as women to flee...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/06/spy-planes-signal-jammers-and-putins-high-tech-war-in-syria/

[pgardn]

M.K. Bhadrakumar spies Russian diplomacy:

http://atimes.com/2015/10/diplomatic-leg-work-on-syria-gathers-momentum/

Please, please. This makes too much sense and it's not exciting. Hater wants ISIS beard cutting and cross dressing. The above is way too mundane and just not sensational enough.


All things taken into account, therefore, Washington must be exceptionally dumb-witted not to comprehend that Putin really means what he says – namely, that the Russian military operations in Syria are intended to shepherd the protagonists (excluding the IS and other extremist groups) – to the conference table.




The above will not cut it for the Hater/m>s excitement alliance. We need Chechens and China entering the conflict for a "shits about to get real moment". We need day of the rope stuff, fiction. Please.

Any news on China pounding something, anything, with its warships? Let's get this shit real.

[hater]

one could hope so...

Jihadi John top of Putin's hit list: Russia makes hunting brutal ISIS killer a priority

President Vladimir Putin is racing against the UK and the US to hunt down the vile murderer, who is responsible for the brutal beheadings of Americans and Britons in taunting videos.

Capturing the 27-year-old, whose real name is Mohammed Emwazi, has become the Kremlin boss's main priority as it would be a huge propaganda coup.

Russian interest will put mounting pressure on Prime Minister David Cameron's, who bid to track down the sick jihadist 'dead or alive".

And this alliance could aid Moscow in beating their Western rivals to capturing Jihadi John, who brutally beheaded British aid workers Alan Henning and David Haines in vile propaganda videos.

A US security source said: "Because the Russians have been invited into Syria by the regime it is easier for them to carry out special forces snatch or kill operations.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/613204/Russia-Jihadi-John-air-strikes-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State-beheading-Vladimir-Putin

[hater]

holy shit if Russia takes down Jihadi John. Holy shit :lol UK :lol USA

that would be as huge a Russian win as the launch of the original Sputnik tbh. :lol

I'm pretty sure CIA and MI6 are offering John protection and an entrance into their Fast Track CIA Spy Programme

[hater]

meanwhile back in US soil...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/obama-tees-off-golf.jpg

[in2deep]

I've already been to Syria back when all this started. You? Go fight alongside terrorists you sack of shit. Go get owned by a Russian air strike.

You've been to Syria?

[cheguevara]

Good read on Russia using bleeding edge spy and signal jamming tools. Them are not fucking around. No wonder ISIS members are shaving their beards and dressing as women to flee...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/06/spy-planes-signal-jammers-and-putins-high-tech-war-in-syria/

Russian Jamming System Blocks All NATO Electronics Inside Bubble 600 Km in Diameter over Syria

http://osnetdaily.com/2015/10/russian-jamming-system-blocks-all-nato-electronics-inside-bubble-600-km-in-diameter-over-syria/

New Russian Jamming System Near Latakia Blocks All NATO Electronics Inside Bubble 600 Km in Diameter; Radar, Satellites, Communications All Disrupted; System Shifts Military Balance in Favor of Russia

The Mi8-MTPR1-based Richag-AV platform, using multi-beam antenna arrays with DRFM technology, is designed to actively jam and thus ‘blind’ radar systems in order to defend against radio-electronic guided weapons systems. In a combat situation, the system would operate as part of an aviation shock attack group aimed at breaking through virtually any defense system, blinding everything up to and including the US MIM-104 ‘Patriot’ anti-aircraft missile system.

In addition, the Russian military had provided a demonstration of their ability to blind even the sophisticated Aegis phased array radar, which is part of the equipment of modern US cruisers and destroyers. This incident came during the Crimean crisis of spring 2014, when the US sent a destroyer into the Black Sea. This ship was repeatedly buzzed up by a Russian Sukhoi-24 jet fighter, which was able to cripple the radar guidance the systems of the vessel.

[cheguevara]

:wow :wow :wow

“The US destroyer USS Donald Cook, equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10, 2014. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea. In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, Aegis spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, and the American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. But suddenly all the screens went blank. Aegis was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated a missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.”

[boutons_deux]

:wow :wow :wow

“The US destroyer USS Donald Cook, equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10, 2014. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea. In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, Aegis spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, and the American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. But suddenly all the screens went blank. Aegis was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated a missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.”

Thanks, Repugs!

[cheguevara]

damn

After the incident, the foreign media reported that “Donald Cook” was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.

[boutons_deux]

"27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation"

so, they want to "serve their country", but only way out of danger of combat, got it. HEROES!!

[DisAsTerBot]

I've Already been through this discussion with another forum troll. I went through Cyprus. It didn't cost me anything, I was compensated. I ate whatever rations the Syrian army gave me. And yes I did see combat.

:rollin:rollin:rollin

[in2deep]

damn science fiction shit right there

[in2deep]

unbelievable HD footage from russian drone :wow

1Q60yBQG8XI

[Fabbs]

NPR had a panel and the guest chick sounded very reasonaable.
She said all the U.S. and related bad ink about Assad being a bogey man is purely made up.

She said he was inclusive of all different types of backgrounds.

Thoughts?

Related (or not). Oil and gas guy i know says the biggest ji-huge nat gas and oil field runs thru Syria all the way down to Israel.

[hater]

sure. Syria was similar to Europe before the war. Beautiful land.

it's all a moot point at the moment. Russia has a de facto no fly zone in Syria so it's up to them to succeed or fuck up. So far it seems they are succeeding. There is really nothing the West, or Israel can do about it.

[Fabbs]

Was Assad truly behind gassing people or is that similar to the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq scam?

[hater]

Was Assad truly behind gassing people or is that similar to the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq scam?

The UN head investigator concluded that gas was used but it was most likely the rebels.

So yes it was another bullshit story.

[RandomGuy]

:lol not knowing about the 200 year old kingdom of Jerusalem

:lol butthurt about it

(shrugs)

Not really. The junior-high "lol" might even have some sting, if you could actually talk about it meaningfully, when asked. My 12 year-old does better, when I force him to think.

I don't let him be lazy, and challenge him. I can't tell if your problem is lazy, like m>s, or inability, like mouse. You seem to read a fair amount, so I will simply assume the latter.

[RandomGuy]

Russian Jamming System Blocks All NATO Electronics Inside Bubble 600 Km in Diameter over Syria

http://osnetdaily.com/2015/10/russian-jamming-system-blocks-all-nato-electronics-inside-bubble-600-km-in-diameter-over-syria/

New Russian Jamming System Near Latakia Blocks All NATO Electronics Inside Bubble 600 Km in Diameter; Radar, Satellites, Communications All Disrupted; System Shifts Military Balance in Favor of Russia

The Mi8-MTPR1-based Richag-AV platform, using multi-beam antenna arrays with DRFM technology, is designed to actively jam and thus ‘blind’ radar systems in order to defend against radio-electronic guided weapons systems. In a combat situation, the system would operate as part of an aviation shock attack group aimed at breaking through virtually any defense system, blinding everything up to and including the US MIM-104 ‘Patriot’ anti-aircraft missile system.

In addition, the Russian military had provided a demonstration of their ability to blind even the sophisticated Aegis phased array radar, which is part of the equipment of modern US cruisers and destroyers. This incident came during the Crimean crisis of spring 2014, when the US sent a destroyer into the Black Sea. This ship was repeatedly buzzed up by a Russian Sukhoi-24 jet fighter, which was able to cripple the radar guidance the systems of the vessel.

http://gizmodo.com/syria-is-becoming-a-test-bed-for-high-tech-weapons-of-e-1735595580

A bit more on that, including Syria, with some rather candid remarks from US generals:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/


We have let our EW capabilities wane a bit, as we have focused on asymmetric warfare, where superiority is assumed.

Another good read from a defense standpoint about our carrier strategy:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-future-of-the-us-navy-2015-10

The graphic about the ranges of the planes currently compared to that of the past was rather eye-opening.

Personally, it seems almost time to phase out the carriers, given the advances in smart weaponry, or at least mix them with the newer zumwalt destroyers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/131029135514-01-navy-destroyer-zumwalt-story-top.jpg

[RandomGuy]

:wow :wow :wow

“The US destroyer USS Donald Cook, equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10, 2014. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea. In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, Aegis spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, and the American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. But suddenly all the screens went blank. Aegis was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated a missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.”

Yeah, there was a thread here about that at the time.

It was a very pointed demonstration of US EW weakness, that the pentagon has, more than likely, taken very seriously.

[hater]

Yeah this new technology can basically turn the US aircraft carriers into giant floating bathtubs.

No wonder China is building up in the south china sea

[pgardn]

The UN head investigator concluded that gas was used but it was most likely the rebels.

So yes it was another bullshit story.
Nope.

This is not what the UN concluded at all. 2013 gas used in a Damascus suburb by the Syrians.
I guess the UN made up stuff about barrel bombs as well.
This obvious misrepresent of facts as we know them continues.

Amazing how many times people can poop out crap in a day.

[hater]

Link? All the documentation and UN interviews I seen is that Assad did not use chems but rebels did.

[hater]

Jordan just joined Russia's team. That makes Iran, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan all working together with Russia.

Good news for us bad news for jihadists around the world :tu

[pgardn]

Link? All the documentation and UN interviews I seen is that Assad did not use chems but rebels did.

Wiki Syrian use of chemical weapons

and tons of other places...

[RandomGuy]

Yeah this new technology can basically turn the US aircraft carriers into giant floating bathtubs.

No wonder China is building up in the south china sea

(sighs)

Um, you do know that for "the technology" to be deployed takes aircraft to get close, right? Kinda hard to sneak up on an aircraft carrier in an aircraft.

I'm sure what you meant to say, was something about your concern about the long-range Dong-Feng carrier buster missiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_ballistic_missile

[RandomGuy]

Link? All the documentation and UN interviews I seen is that Assad did not use chems but rebels did.

http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

Rebels don't generally have access to surface to surface missiles with nerve agent.

Now you have seen indications that the Syrian military, which has access and training with both nerve agent and surface to surface missiles were responsible. If you aren't too lazy to read the linked report, that is.

[pgardn]

http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

Rebels don't generally have access to surface to surface missiles with nerve agent.

Now you have seen indications that the Syrian military, which has access and training with both nerve agent and surface to surface missiles were responsible. If you aren't too lazy to read the linked report, that is.

Its all over. And he asks for a link...

He reads what he wants to satisfy HIS needs.
Real world stuff can be disappointing if you have an agenda to fulfill.

[m>s]

http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

Rebels don't generally have access to surface to surface missiles with nerve agent.

Now you have seen indications that the Syrian military, which has access and training with both nerve agent and surface to surface missiles were responsible. If you aren't too lazy to read the linked report, that is.
>implying the Saudis couldn't have given it to them
>implying the Turks couldn't have
>implying the us couldn't have
>implying they couldn't have taken control of a government weapons storage site

nice try, but Syria had nothing to gain and everything to lose by using chemical weapons. It's just giving the usa the excuse they need. Chemical weapons aren't even very effective or wed have seen them in ww2.

[Winehole23]

for some reason he shares his dispatches from the front lines on SpursTalk

[RandomGuy]

>implying the Saudis couldn't have given it to them
>implying the Turks couldn't have
>implying the us couldn't have
>implying they couldn't have taken control of a government weapons storage site

nice try, but Syria had nothing to gain and everything to lose by using chemical weapons. It's just giving the usa the excuse they need. Chemical weapons aren't even very effective or wed have seen them in ww2.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qJyRQ3GsKcQ/UJWl3Dzc6iI/AAAAAAAAGW8/EqMpRAfA6ew/s640/facepalm-bert.jpg

So much stupid... so little time.

Occams razor is a bitch for stupid conspiracy theories.
You can rule out fucktarded "secret smuggled surface to surface nerve agent missiles", just because they require so many more assumptions, that it becomes untenable, just like "faked moon landing" theories.

As for "taking control" of a military chemical weapons site, you would have to produce some evidence at the least to even start down that road, and then say it is plausible that the Assad regime would allow what is normally extremely well-guarded weapons to fall into the hands of his enemies, and that a bunch of apple-pickers could figure out how to use a complicated weapon system, which beggars belief.

Lastly chemical weapons were used in WW2.

The Syrian military had the capabilities and weapons. The only thing one needs to assume about who did it, is that there is some dumb/evil shit that might authorize the use of them, and given their already demonstrated willingness to shoot unarmed demonstrators, that isn't much of a stretch.

[boutons_deux]

America rattling sabers about Russian subs (6" or 12" versions?) snooping around undersea comms cables.

[pgardn]

news just in, US just sent a destroyer into those waters surrounding those man made islands...testing chinas bs claims 22km radius

Not surprising as so many countries have a stake, from Viet Nam to the Phillipines.

[pgardn]

i dunno whats wrong with the monkey leaders of vietnam commies, werent afraid to go war against america, but shitting themselves over china, b4 vn war broke out, the south vn regime was getting ready to send out battleships to protect those islands....i believe after the vn war, those 6 battleships ended up being stationed in phillipines every since

The US is the only country that can project this type of power for sustained periods. Japan can monitor their little spat and help. This move by China will require negotiations. China spent a lot of money and have a lot at stake in this areaEspecially considering China's economic situation.

[boutons_deux]

"vietnam commies, werent afraid to go war against america"

typical rightwingnut IGNORANCE.

North VN were fighting South VN, and then the Americans got quagmired to support their corrupt S. VN puppet, so N VN had to fight USA, too. And they won.

The last thing the N VN wanted was the Chinese, "chi com", taking over their country.

[pgardn]

"vietnam commies, werent afraid to go war against america"

typical rightwingnut IGNORANCE.

North VN were fighting South VN, and then the Americans got quagmired to support their corrupt S. VN puppet, so N VN had to fight USA, too. And they won.

The last thing the N VN wanted was the Chinese, "chi com", taking over their country.




This was indeed part of the downfall of the heralded dominoe theory held by conservatives that did not recognize nationalism. East Germany on the other hand walked pretty much lock step with the Soviet Union.

In an interesting update, the US has also sent ships close to Vietnamese and Phillipine claimed Islands to further demonstrate the value of the UN 12 mile nautical rule. Meanwhile the Chinese president claims:

Xi surprised U.S. officials after a meeting with Obama in Washington last month by saying that China had "no intention to militarize" the islands.



Which I really don't get as they know we see air strips and other military structures on these Islands that were below high tide level until the Chinese dredging and build up. We are not the only country that makes diplomatic gaffes. So their military warns us, and their president says the islands do not have a military purpose. I guess mixed messages are designed to confuse.

There is way too much commerce moving through this area for military vessels to whimsically block commercial flow of goods. The oil in the area that might be exploited later should also be interesting. Negotiations will be necessary.

[MultiTroll]

Barry and Putin teaming up to slam ISIS?

Is there any chance that could happen?
It would seem the two forces combined could wipe ISIS ass out.
Force Saudi Scamradia to help?

I'm just sayin....

[DisAsTerBot]

Barry and Putin teaming up to slam ISIS?

Is there any chance that could happen?
It would seem the two forces combined could wipe ISIS ass out.
Force Saudi Scamradia to help?

I'm just sayin....

what has TMZ been saying?

[MultiTroll]

what has TMZ been saying?
They've probably had your two favorite guys from Modern Family on.

[Splits]

Angry China shadows U.S. warship near man-made islands


A U.S. guided-missile destroyer sailed close to one of China's man-made islands in the South China Sea on Tuesday, drawing an angry rebuke from Beijing, which said it had tracked and warned the ship and called in the U.S. ambassador to protest.

The USS Lassen's patrol was the most significant U.S. challenge yet to the 12-nautical-mile territorial limits China claims around artificial islands it has built up in the Spratly archipelago as Beijing exercises its growing maritime power.

Washington's move followed months of deliberation by the administration of President Barack Obama and could ratchet up tension in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes and increase strains in U.S.-China relations.

A U.S. defense official said the Lassen also went within 12-mile limits of features in the disputed sea claimed by Vietnam and U.S. treaty ally, the Philippines. They said such "freedom-of-navigation" patrols were expected to become more frequent.

The U.S. destroyer sailed within 12 nautical miles of Subi Reef, an artificial island built up by China in the past year.

A Chinese guided-missile destroyer and a naval patrol ship shadowed and gave warnings to the U.S. warship "according to law", China's Defense Ministry said. It said the military would take necessary steps to protect the country's security.
The U.S. patrol was a "coercive action that seeks to militarize the South China Sea region" and an "abuse" of freedom of navigation under international law, it added.
U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter on Tuesday confirmed the patrol. Carter, testifying to the Senate Armed Services Committee, initially would only say the U.S. Navy had conducted operations in the South China Sea. But under questioning from lawmakers, he confirmed that the USS Lassen had passed within 12 miles of a Chinese artificial island.

China's Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Yesui summoned U.S. Ambassador Max Baucus, telling him that the patrol was "extremely irresponsible," the Foreign Ministry said. It earlier said the USS Lassen "illegally" entered waters near islands and reefs in the Spratlys without the Chinese government's permission.

"China will resolutely respond to any country's deliberate provocations," the ministry said in a statement that gave no details on precisely where the U.S. ship sailed.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang later told a daily briefing that if the United States continued to "create tensions in the region," China might conclude it had to "increase and strengthen the building up of our relevant abilities".

Lu did not elaborate, except to say he hoped it did not come to that, but his comments suggested China could further boost its military presence in the South China Sea.


If only Trump were President, our military would be SO STRONG that CHIIINA wouldn't dare fuck with us...

[RandomGuy]

i dunno whats wrong with the monkey leaders of vietnam commies, werent afraid to go war against america, but shitting themselves over china, b4 vn war broke out, the south vn regime was getting ready to send out battleships to protect those islands....i believe after the vn war, those 6 battleships ended up being stationed in phillipines every since

(sigh)

You do know Vietnam fought a war with China, right?

[pgardn]

If only Trump were President, our military would be SO STRONG that CHIIINA wouldn't dare fuck with us...

Did the destroyer run away in fear?

Trump is a bunch of hot air. His "Art of the Deal" diplomacy would be hilarious.

[hater]

http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf

Rebels don't generally have access to surface to surface missiles with nerve agent.

this is bullshit. According to Seymour Hersh and MIT scientists:

“Theodore Postol, a professor of technology and national security at MIT, reviewed the UN photos with a group of his colleagues and concluded that the large calibre rocket was an improvised munition that was very likely manufactured locally. He told me that it was ‘something you could produce in a modestly-capable machine shop.’ The rocket in the photos, he added, fails to match the specifications of a similar but smaller rocket known to be in the Syrian arsenal.”



Now you have seen indications that the Syrian military, which has access and training with both nerve agent and surface to surface missiles were responsible. If you aren't too lazy to read the linked report, that is.

There is no such indications. Unless you believe in the Easter bunny. It has not been proven that the ones to use the chems are the Syrian government. on the contrary all evidence points that the Rebels used the chemical weapons:

“already by late May, the senior (US) intelligence consultant told me, the CIA had briefed the Obama administration on al-Nusra and its work with sarin, and had sent alarming reports that another Sunni fundamentalist group active in Syria, al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI), also understood the science of producing sarin. At the time, al-Nusra was operating in areas close to Damascus, including Eastern Ghouta. An intelligence document issued in mid-summer dealt extensively with Ziyaad Tarriq Ahmed, a chemical weapons expert formerly of the Iraqi military, who was said to have moved into Syria and to be operating in Eastern Ghouta. The consultant told me that Tariq had been identified ‘as an al-Nusra guy with a track record of making mustard gas in Iraq and someone who is implicated in making and using sarin.’ He is regarded as a high-profile target by the American
military.”

Sorry but either you are completely wrong or you are lying or both. Syrian government did NOT use chemical weapons. It was most likely the rebels.

[hater]

LMFAO a typical women's school in Obama's "Free Syria":

659092423113621504

:lmao our US military helping these guys :lmao

:lmao Ash Carter calling for boots on the ground for more of this free Syria :lmao

[pgardn]

china just sent 2 destroyers in response to the US destroyer in the south china sea

So they follow each other around radars locked and hopefully avoid ramming each other. It's probably pretty exciting for the captain and crew. It's not the same old boring stuff.

[MultiTroll]

So they follow each other around radars locked and hopefully avoid ramming each other. It's probably pretty exciting for the captain and crew. It's not the same old boring stuff.
Can we assume this is all about oil like some other conflicts?

[pgardn]

Can we assume this is all about oil like some other conflicts?

Right now it seems about vying for territorial waters. The other SE Asian countries claimed territorial rights also overlap. But China is the huge player. So it's control over water ways for commercial shipping and fishing right now. Eventually it might lead to drilling.

[pgardn]

this is bullshit. According to Seymour Hersh and MIT scientists:

“Theodore Postol, a professor of technology and national security at MIT, reviewed the UN photos with a group of his colleagues and concluded that the large calibre rocket was an improvised munition that was very likely manufactured locally. He told me that it was ‘something you could produce in a modestly-capable machine shop.’ The rocket in the photos, he added, fails to match the specifications of a similar but smaller rocket known to be in the Syrian arsenal.”



There is no such indications. Unless you believe in the Easter bunny. It has not been proven that the ones to use the chems are the Syrian government. on the contrary all evidence points that the Rebels used the chemical weapons:

“already by late May, the senior (US) intelligence consultant told me, the CIA had briefed the Obama administration on al-Nusra and its work with sarin, and had sent alarming reports that another Sunni fundamentalist group active in Syria, al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI), also understood the science of producing sarin. At the time, al-Nusra was operating in areas close to Damascus, including Eastern Ghouta. An intelligence document issued in mid-summer dealt extensively with Ziyaad Tarriq Ahmed, a chemical weapons expert formerly of the Iraqi military, who was said to have moved into Syria and to be operating in Eastern Ghouta. The consultant told me that Tariq had been identified ‘as an al-Nusra guy with a track record of making mustard gas in Iraq and someone who is implicated in making and using sarin.’ He is regarded as a high-profile target by the American
military.”

Sorry but either you are completely wrong or you are lying or both. Syrian government did NOT use chemical weapons. It was most likely the rebels.

Nope there is way too much of this type of crap everywhere.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/world/middleeast/syria-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/syria-assad-regime-is-weaponising-chlorine-us-congress-to-hear


https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/05/13/syria-strong-evidence-government-used-chemicals-weapon

This and all the UN stuff is overwhelming.
You have some sort of hard on for "beautiful Syria" but the Assad's have been butchers. You should read about what the elder Assad did to Hama.

[hater]

:lmao quoting the NYTimes :lol

There has been absolutely no evidence whatsoever Assad ordered those attacks. Most experts suspect it has been the rebels. They have been proven to have attacked assads soldiers with it first. And then did it again but this time attacking civilians right when UN inspectors landed in Syria.

Stop spewing bullshit and lies

[pgardn]

:lmao quoting the NYTimes :lol

There has been absolutely no evidence whatsoever Assad ordered those attacks. Most experts suspect it has been the rebels. They have been proven to have attacked assads soldiers with it first. And then did it again but this time attacking civilians right when UN inspectors landed in Syria.

Stop spewing bullshit and lies

BS

Sorry YOU don't like the Times.

So tell us again

1. Does the CIA write articles for the Times?
2. Fund the Times?
3. Approve or disapprove specific articles for athe Times?

Tell us. And you read a GOVERNMENT SPONSORED RT news and believe it...
Get the hell out of Hondo, you are a fruitbat.

[hater]

LOL changing the subject.


And regarding your guardian article that is just an informative article from a rebel "doctor" who testified in Congress. He is not an unbiased analyst. So his point of view is irrelevant.

Here is a better article depicting conclusions from unbiased analysts and scientists:
Http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/14/doubts-syria-chemical-weapons-attacks

[pgardn]

LOL changing the subject.


And regarding your guardian article that is just an informative article from a rebel "doctor" who testified in Congress. He is not an unbiased analyst. So his point of view is irrelevant.

Here is a better article depicting conclusions from unbiased analysts and scientists:
Http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/14/doubts-syria-chemical-weapons-attacks


You challenged sources you moron. Don't blame me for your cherry picking off the RT tree.

Oh so you post a supposition from a book in which an author is going to make money off of being a gadfly? This was ONE chemical attack. ONE. And it goes against what the UN found.

For profit BS.

Do you believe the US went to the moon?
Do you believe the US aided in the 9/11 attacks?

[angrydude]

BS

Sorry YOU don't like the Times.

So tell us again

1. Does the CIA write articles for the Times?
2. Fund the Times?
3. Approve or disapprove specific articles for athe Times?

Tell us. And you read a GOVERNMENT SPONSORED RT news and believe it...
Get the hell out of Hondo, you are a fruitbat.

Probably. The govt has admitted to paying for war propoganda in the past. Why not now?

The only difference between the US Empire and all the other terrible countries in the world is the US has better PR.

If you can't understand that by now with all that's happened post 9-11 you're hopeless.

[hater]

Probably. The govt has admitted to paying for war propoganda in the past. Why not now?

The only difference between the US Empire and all the other terrible countries in the world is the US has better PR.

If you can't understand that by now with all that's happened post 9-11 you're hopeless.

Agree. The CIA and even "aid" organizations like USAID have been proven again and again they have been involved in regime changes, bribes and extortions overseas.

It takes an idiot to believe the US mainstream media is not in on the trick as well.

[hater]

You challenged sources you moron. Don't blame me for your cherry picking off the RT tree.

Oh so you post a supposition from a book in which an author is going to make money off of being a gadfly? This was ONE chemical attack. ONE. And it goes against what the UN found.

For profit BS.

Do you believe the US went to the moon?
Do you believe the US aided in the 9/11 attacks?


LMAO let me get this straight. You are taking the conclusions of a rebel doctor at face value. And taking the conclusions of a renowned writer and another MIT scientist as Assad propaganda. I guess they must love the Assad regime over at the MIT :lol

:lmao you are hopeless

What does the MIT have to gain by keeping Assad in power?

[pgardn]

Probably. The govt has admitted to paying for war propoganda in the past. Why not now?

The only difference between the US Empire and all the other terrible countries in the world is the US has better PR.

If you can't understand that by now with all that's happened post 9-11 you're hopeless.

The CIA payed for war propaganda via the NY Times...

How do you know? Give me something legit to read please.

Unlike others on this board I would like sources that are willing to dig anywhere and attempt to give us the truth.

Why did the US empire leave the Panama Canal?

[pgardn]

LMAO let me get this straight. You are taking the conclusions of a rebel doctor at face value. And taking the conclusions of a renowned writer and another MIT scientist as Assad propaganda. I guess they must love the Assad regime over at the MIT :lol

:lmao you are hopeless

What does the MIT have to gain by keeping Assad in power?

Read your source again. It's for a frkn book idiot.
Did you order it for free like a Journal since you are on the faculty?


MIT, the whole university is attempting to keep Assad in power.
You attempt to play that card.
Jesus...

MIT---->great science school---->faculty "research"------>Assad and Syria
Well shit, there is no implied leap of logic here.

[hater]

Read your source again. It's for a frkn book idiot.
Did you order it for free like a Journal since you are on the faculty?


MIT, the whole university is attempting to keep Assad in power.
You attempt to play that card.
Jesus...

MIT---->great science school---->faculty "research"------>Assad and Syria
Well shit, there is no implied leap of logic here.

LOL faulty research. where are your sources from "good research"

show me some sources from analysts and scientists. Not from a rebel doctor. Show me reputable sources from unbiased scientits that prove the attack came from Assad. waiting for your links...

[pgardn]

LOL faulty research. where are your sources from "good research"

show me some sources from analysts and scientists. Not from a rebel doctor. Show me reputable sources from unbiased scientits that prove the attack came from Assad. waiting for your links...

Its not unbiased when there is a profit motive.
You say MIT and we are supposed to hop.
You say science and it's over? Sorry, I work in the field, I have witnessed many people step outside their fields and get hammered. These are not forensic experts nor are they gathering evidence from a variety of sources. So what other gassing sites did they visit? There is not just one.


I will definitely go with my numerous sources over yours.
And that's pretty much it.
You can't handle the truth, I can't help you.

You could convince me with your supposition but you have not.
You like the gadfly angle, you stick with that.

[hater]

Here is a scientific link you can use as example. No more accounts from rebel doctors please...



The Syrian Improvised Chemical Munitions that Were Used in the August 21,
Nerve Agent Attack in Damascus Have a Range of About 2 Kilometers

This Indicates That These Munitions Could Not Possibly Have Been Fired at
East Ghouta from the “Heart” or the Eastern Edge of the Syrian Government
Controlled Area Depicted in the Intelligence Map Published by the White
House on August 30, 2013.

This faulty Intelligence Could Have Led to an Unjustified US Military Action
Based on False Intelligence.

A Proper Vetting of the Fact That the Munition Was of Such Short Range
Would Have Led to a Completely Different Assessment of the Situation from
the Gathered Data

Whatever the Reasons for the Egregious Errors in the Intelligence, the Source
of These Errors Needs to Be Explained.

If the Source of These Errors Is Not Identified, the Problems That Led to this
Intelligence Failure Will Go Uncorrected, and the Chances of a Future Policy
Disaster Will Grow With Certainty.


https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf

[pgardn]

Its not unbiased when there is a profit motive.
You say MIT and we are supposed to hop.
You say science and it's over? Sorry, I work in the field, I have witnessed many people step outside their fields and get hammered. These are not forensic experts nor are they gathering evidence from a variety of sources. So what other gassing sites did they visit? There is not just one.


I will definitely go with my numerous sources over yours.
And that's pretty much it.
You can't handle the truth, I can't help you.

You could convince me with your supposition but you have not.
You like the gadfly angle, you stick with that.


And again.

[hater]

Read the PDF document. It shows scientifically the the rocket could not possibly have come from Assad's territory.

The analysis is made using UN evidence and photographs and White House theories. Then it shows the calculations of the possible range taking into account everything from drag coefficient, rocket density, air flow etc. It's a complete scientific analysis and It basically proves that the white house's story is flawed and false.

you can't really dispute it. tbh

[hater]

Here is a scientific link you can use as example. No more accounts from rebel doctors please...



https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf

this is the scientific document. if you have questions on it ask them, I can walk you through it.

you can't really dispute science. Or do you not believe in things like evolution or relativity??

[pgardn]

Read the PDF document. It shows scientifically the the rocket could not possibly have come from Assad's territory.

The analysis is made using UN evidence and photographs and White House theories. It basically proves that the white house's story is flawed and false.

you can't really dispute it. tbh

So Assads government has never used chemical weapons during this conflict?

This is your conclusion?

[hater]

So Assads government has never used chemical weapons during this conflict?

This is your conclusion?

It has not been proven that Assad used chemical weapons. Is it possible he could have? sure. But unless there is scientific proof, you might as well believe in the Easter bunny.

And you can't go to war (like white house wanteed) on easter bunny theories

[hater]

This pretty much circles back to the WMDs in Iraq myth.

glad US population did not believe this bullshit story this time. :tu

[in2deep]

LMFAO a typical women's school in Obama's "Free Syria":

659092423113621504

:lmao our US military helping these guys :lmao

:lmao Ash Carter calling for boots on the ground for more of this free Syria :lmao


fuck. This is what Obama wants?????

[in2deep]

LOL this tweet is better:

659101541702373376

[pgardn]

This pretty much circles back to the WMDs in Iraq myth.

glad US population did not believe this bullshit story this time. :tu

Good segue...

Jesus....

You have some Assad loving going on here.
And you have no idea of how to use science properly.

Lets think back...
You are the poster that posted "shits about to get real" upon ANY little tidbit that came in.
Chechens fighting in Syria, Chinese warships in the area :wow

And then you claim I LIKE CNN and FOX when you pounce on absolute shit like the above?
Seriously?
You are a perfect fit for that news, you could be an editor or anchor for sensationalism.
Hang yourself up in the grocery check out lane, someone is bound to fondle you.

So as sources go....

And I will take a closer look at the very limited research done by "MIT"
Which does little to prove Assad was not behind it as I skim THIS SINGLE event.

Work calls.

[in2deep]

PjeGhgRLOLU

[in2deep]

regarding Chinese in Syria:

G0mM3kww8r4

[in2deep]

MBw71TmtppM

[in2deep]

wow this girl knows her shit :wow

IHkher6ceaA

[pgardn]

wow this girl knows her shit :wow

IHkher6ceaA

It was all good until she said Russia and Iran want to prop Assad up. Prop SYRIA UP.
What they want is an Assad (Alawite) follow Iran's religious edicts (Shiite). Russia does not care who runs Syria as long as they tow the line and let them keep their bases or expand them if possible. Neither give two shits about Assad.

And this is CNN, Hater does not think this is a reliable source so take it down.

[pgardn]

regarding Chinese in Syria:

G0mM3kww8r4


Russia is clearly NOT concentrating on ISIS at present.

They are helping the Syrian government take out other rebel groups that are actively hostile towards ISIS.
Syrian boundaries, as they were, will most likely never be the same.

[boutons_deux]

Saudia Arabia assisting ISIS

Another Saudi Prince Arrested, This Time for Smuggling 2 Tons of Drugs for ISIS Fighters

Last week, the Free Thought Project reported on the case of Prince Majed bin Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, 29. Abdulaziz was arrested and then let off by prosecutors in Los Angeles (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/prosecutors-cite-lack-evidence-saudi-prince-neighbors-reported-bleeding-woman-screaming/)who claimed they didn’t have enough evidence to charge him with kidnapping and sexual assault.

On Monday morning, Abd al-Aziz Al Saud was about to conduct a flight from Beirut’s Rafik Hariri International Airport on his private jet when he was intercepted by security forces.

According to AhluBayt News Agency, (http://en.abna24.com/service/middle-east-west-asia/archive/2015/10/26/716992/story.html)

Abd al-Muhsen bin Walid bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud was detained at an airport in the Lebanese capital, Beirut, while in possession of 24 bags and eight suitcases full of narcotics.

They were packed in his luggage, weighing about two tons, which aroused suspicions among the security forces and led to their discovery.


Inside the luggage, Lebanese officials found packages (http://presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/26/435017/Lebanon-Saudi-prince-narcotics)containing two tons of captagon pills. For those unfamiliar with captagon, it is an amphetamine-based drug ISIS fighters have been using to stay alert in battle.

Lebanese psychiatrist, Ramzi Haddad, told the Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2014/jan/13/captagon-amphetamine-syria-war-middle-east) that

Captagon has ‘the typical effects of a stimulant’ and produces ‘a kind of euphoria – you’re talkative, you don’t sleep, you don’t eat, you’re energetic.’

According to the BBC: (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34640310)


The drug has helped fuel the conflict in Syria, generating millions of dollars in revenue for producers inside the country as well as being used by combatants to help them keep fighting.

NNA reported that 40 bags of Captagon pills were found by inspectors from the Gendarmerie in cases due to be put on board a jet bound for Hael, in northern Saudi Arabia.


The US government’s loyalty to Saudi Arabi is unquestioning despite their horrific and violent track record of human rights violations and beheadings.

As the Free Thought Project’s Jay Syrmopoulos pointed out last week, (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/prosecutors-cite-lack-evidence-saudi-prince-neighbors-reported-bleeding-woman-screaming/)

It should come as no surprise that there is virtually no accountability for a member of the House of Saud, as they break U.S. law with impunity. They have figured out the formula that makes “American justice” work, having large amounts of wealth and being politically connected to powerful individuals.

Similarly to how the U.S. gave a tacit nod of approval to the ascension of the Saudis to the head of the UN Human Rights Council (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/saudi-arabia-awarded-chair-human-rights-council-planning-crucifying-teen-human-rights-activist/), despite having beheaded more people in the past 12 months than ISIS (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/saudi-arabia-beheaded-people-isis-2015/), Al-Saud was given the Saudi royal treatment by U.S. authorities.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sets-free-rapist-saudi-prince-week-caught-smuggling-2-tons-isis-drugs/#lBQ5WfMdsH5JrsTG.99

Saudi Arabia totally immunized by US/UK BigOil

[hater]

That Saudi depraved prince apparently forced his LA mansion staff to watch him and another male staff member perform sick depraved sex acts. He then threatened the staff with violence if they object to his depravity.

House of Saud. Sick fucking pigs created by the good ol Uncle Sam.

[pgardn]

Saudis are a huge problem.

They have been for a while. The US is totally frustrated with them. We sold them way too much shit. They support radical Sunni groups, we know this and have stopped them in a number of cases but they continue to go back door on us. The Republican Guard and Khamenei in Iran are just as bad.

There is no good side in this mess.

[hater]

Great article with the latest war news
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2015/10/syria-army-idlib-hama-advances.html

Seems the big battle is being fought as we speak. Whoever wins the Hama strategic point will win the war. Lets hope its the good guys and not the terrorists

[pgardn]

Great article with the latest war news
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2015/10/syria-army-idlib-hama-advances.html

Seems the big battle is being fought as we speak. Whoever wins the Hama strategic point will win the war. Lets hope its the good guys and not the terrorists

There are no good guys.
And this is not the war for Syria. It's a war for a regime. The war for the whole of Syria is not close to finished and probably never will be. We are looking at a country that ends up with very different borders, more like Afghanistan, no one really runs the whole country.

[hater]

The good guys are the ones who are not behading Christians, plotting international terrorist attacks and destroying world heritages. There are good guys

[pgardn]

The good guys are the ones who are not behading Christians, plotting international terrorist attacks and destroying world heritages. There are good guys

Then the good guys gas their own people, level towns and kill everyone in them no matter who they are. Read the history of the city of Hama to find out what your hero family, the family Assad, did there.

So merely killing Christians is ok, it's the beheading part that's not good. See Iran and Hezbollah.

Its its not as clean as you want it to be. Bad guys often kill each other.

[hater]

Disagree completely. Assad never tried to wage jihad and genocide on their opponents. Sure he has a tough Hand but so does every current ruler in the middle East: Saudí, Turkey,Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, etc

The bad guys are the jihadis who are mass executing Christians and beheadin non believers.

[hater]

Turkey has been the main ISIS promoter besides Saudi. They are basically selling the ISIS oil and getting a cut from it. Also getting cuts from dug and human trade. Fucking animals.

Good thing Russia is not taking shit from them and doubled down on their economic threats and stopped their truck traffic through Russia. Erdogan is way over his head. Elections are in days and the Kurds have just had about enough. Turkey can possibly explode into an all out civil war.

[hater]

Vienna talks today. All the bitches of the kingdom attending: Saudi, turkey, us, Iran, russia

[hater]

Interesting shit. Seems like they are going to agree to a 6 month transition/campaign process and elections with Assad's name included in the ballot :wow

How the hell are elections going to be held in Jihadi ruled towns :lol

[pgardn]

Disagree completely. Assad never tried to wage jihad and genocide on their opponents. Sure he has a tough Hand but so does every current ruler in the middle East: Saudí, Turkey,Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, etc

The bad guys are the jihadis who are mass executing Christians and beheadin non believers.

You are absolutely wrong about the Assads. Just because they don't call their mass murders Jihad it's ok?
I will again tell you to read about Hama. 20,000 people were killed in less than 2 weeks. And there is so much more. You have no idea concerning the cruelty of the Assads, none.

[hater]

Lol not understanding the terms jihad and genocide :lol

Even Kerry agrees that ISIS must be the priority and Assad can remain in power as long as IS is dealt with

You're all alone in this one buddy

[pgardn]

Turkey has been the main ISIS promoter besides Saudi. They are basically selling the ISIS oil and getting a cut from it. Also getting cuts from dug and human trade. Fucking animals.

Good thing Russia is not taking shit from them and doubled down on their economic threats and stopped their truck traffic through Russia. Erdogan is way over his head. Elections are in days and the Kurds have just had about enough. Turkey can possibly explode into an all out civil war.

You are correct but not anymore (oil). Turkey has been a two sided player in this is well. The Kurds also have their terrorist factions. This is not in anyway a clean conflict. Turkey made their bed by dealing with ISIS. No sympathy here.

[pgardn]

Lol not understanding the terms jihad and genocide :lol

Even Kerry agrees that ISIS must be the priority and Assad can remain in power as long as IS is dealt with

You're all alone in this one buddy

Where have I underestimated or indicated no understanding of radical Islam? Why don't you just be straight for once if you choose serious discussion.

You obviously read this stuff but you post what suits your preferred prejudices. No one is clean here. Especially the Assads. The ISIS folks are obviously zealot lunatics. Russia has yet to make any concerted effort to address ISIS. Either has the Syrian army or the Iranians. The conflicts continue in the West. ISIS is battling other rebel groups in the east. This is the general conflict as it stands now. The ISIS folks are not dominant in the West where the largest Syrian cities are and were Assad has his remaining stronghold. The Syrian concentration is on other rebel groups by in large. Get a map out.

And do you really have to stoop to the emoticons...

[pgardn]

Lol not understanding the terms jihad and genocide :lol

Even Kerry agrees that ISIS must be the priority and Assad can remain in power as long as IS is dealt with

You're all alone in this one buddy

So because Kerry says Assad might do for know it makes Assad a good guy?
Really?

ISIS is a widely dispersed very clever rebel group with very good tactics and weapons. Of course they will be very difficult to get rid of. Which is why Russia and the Iranians are doing little to nothing to stop them. The US is playing that role thru the air but it's not enough.

[hater]

Kerry and Obama disagree with you:

The Obama administration entered a crucial round of international talks on Syria’s war prepared to accept a deal that leaves President Bashar al-Assad in place for several months or more during the transition to a new government.

The U.S. shift on the dictator’s future caps months of backtracking on the most significant obstacle to a resolution of the Syrian conflict. While U.S. officials once argued Mr. Assad couldn’t take part in a political transition, they have gradually eased that stance, eventually signaling he wouldn’t have to step down immediately. Now they are planning to negotiate the question of his future in talks being held Friday in Vienna.

The White House hasn’t publicly set a time frame for Mr. Assad’s departure to give U.S. negotiators room to maneuver in the Vienna talks, officials said

that's from your own dear WSJ

[pgardn]

Vienna talks today. All the bitches of the kingdom attending: Saudi, turkey, us, Iran, russia

This is the possible good news.

[pgardn]

Kerry and Obama disagree with you:

The Obama administration entered a crucial round of international talks on Syria’s war prepared to accept a deal that leaves President Bashar al-Assad in place for several months or more during the transition to a new government.

The U.S. shift on the dictator’s future caps months of backtracking on the most significant obstacle to a resolution of the Syrian conflict. While U.S. officials once argued Mr. Assad couldn’t take part in a political transition, they have gradually eased that stance, eventually signaling he wouldn’t have to step down immediately. Now they are planning to negotiate the question of his future in talks being held Friday in Vienna.

The White House hasn’t publicly set a time frame for Mr. Assad’s departure to give U.S. negotiators room to maneuver in the Vienna talks, officials said

that's from your own dear WSJ

WSJ can have some good stuff but I have not made a statement to you concerning this particular organization. My dear WSJ... WTF
You just make stuff up.

And so what about Kerry and Onama.

You act as if the US has not agreed to let bad guys stay in place for a while? Or even for a very long while. Or actually put a bad guy in place and support him?
This does absolutely nothing to discredit my assertions about the Assads. Get this thru your head.

[boutons_deux]

US special/black ops heading to Syria and the Middle East Quagmire.

Thanks, Repugs!

[hater]

RIP to the 224 souls lost in the Russian plane crash. All logic points to it being an accident. But the coincidence is just too damn strong.

My head tells me it was an accident but my gut tells me its gotta be related to the war.

RIP

[hater]

my gut was right. the plane broke up in mid-air :wow

bomb most likely

[hater]

Crazy war update.

Saudi and Turkey are working on giving ISIS SAM anti aircraft launchers from on Ukraine :wow

Shits geting real real

-uJr-v5Y5gw

[hater]

wxwTQ_ZaNrY

[hater]

^ this is what real news looks like American Public....

[hater]

Great news. Syrian army breaks siege on Aleppo Airforce Base that was besieged by ISIas for 3 years!

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The biggest defeat ISIS has had since the beginning of the war :tu. Could this be the beginning of the end for ISIS in Syria? Lets hope so...

[hater]

If Russia and Syria can free Aleppo by Chrismas it would be the end of the terrorists.

Of course unless US, Saud and Turkey come in to ISIS rescue. US is already escorting ISIS convoys coming in from iraq with apache helicopters...

[hater]

US Apache helicopter escorting huge ISIS convoy from Iraq to Syria

KFFb5E22TvE

[DisAsTerBot]

some kind of helicopter. US apache? Hard to say

[hater]

some kind of helicopter. US apache? Hard to say

Definitely looks and sounds like an apache. Only Iraq and US/NATO can fly in Iraq. Iraq Bing Shiite is a natural enemy of ISIS. Therefore, 99% its a US chopper.

BUSTED

[pgardn]

Definitely looks and sounds like an apache. Only Iraq and US/NATO can fly in Iraq. Iraq Bing Shiite is a natural enemy of ISIS. Therefore, 99% its a US chopper.

BUSTED

Flown by who?

[pgardn]

^ this is what real news looks like American Public....

Press TV

Run by the Iranian Shiite Government.
You are a total and utter fool.
real news... Christ...

[hater]

Press TV

Run by the Iranian Shiite Government.
You are a total and utter fool.
real news... Christ...

Southfront is an intelligence analysis site not presstv you shit for brains

[pgardn]

Southfront is an intelligence analysis site not presstv you shit for brains

Its a pure bullshit News Organization funded in part by Iran and other ME "News" stations.

They are looking for volunteers from the ME, why don't you join. The site claims to correct all the disinformation. Once that claim is made (see FOX News) You slurp it up like the dupe you are. You say you don't like FOX so you go the other way with an organization even more ridiculous.

Fckn idiot...

[pgardn]

Flown by who?

[hater]

Its a pure bullshit News Organization funded in part by Iran and other ME "News" stations.

They are looking for volunteers from the ME, why don't you join. The site claims to correct all the disinformation. Once that claim is made (see FOX News) You slurp it up like the dupe you are. You say you don't like FOX so you go the other way with an organization even more ridiculous.

Fckn idiot...

LMAO let me get this straight. You went from it being PressTV in one post to it being only Iranian funded in the next post. :lmao you are an expert at backpedalight son

Wrong again btw. Stop making shit up as you go

[pgardn]

LMAO let me get this straight. You went from it being PressTV in one post to it being only Iranian funded in the next post. :lmao you are an expert at backpedalight son

Wrong again btw. Stop making shit up as you go

Do you continuously asked to be punched into the ground. If they are backed by propaganda arms of extreme governments they are bought and paid for. Look at the footage you fool. Can you work through this and read your sites. Once you start with the emoticons I know you are in peril.

Jesus Christ...

And don't go silent on me after you get hammered. Read the next post again. And answer it.

[pgardn]

Flown by who?

[Quetzal-X]

The suspense is killing me tbqfh.

[hater]

Good shit. Aleppo about to be liberated from ISIS!

664791566398201856

[hater]

:cry but but CNN told me Russia is not targeting ISIS :cry

[hater]

Do you continuously asked to be punched into the ground. If they are backed by propaganda arms of extreme governments they are bought and paid for. Look at the footage you fool. Can you work through this and read your sites. Once you start with the emoticons I know you are in peril.

Jesus Christ...

And don't go silent on me after you get hammered. Read the next post again. And answer it.

:lmao what the fuck are you babbling about. So because they use footage of various news outlets(syrian/turkish/iranian/american) they are funded by them???

:lmao

[pgardn]

:lmao what the fuck are you babbling about. So because they use footage of various news outlets(syrian/turkish/iranian/american) they are funded by them???

:lmao

No you idiot.

Look back at your own site and follow your lead.

Are you telling me you really would rely on that news site over CNN even, to give you the truth?
You are telling me that if you and your family needed to make a life or death decision, you would rely on that site giving you a truthful description of a situation?

Quit with your constant use of State backed news.

"The NY Times is a mouthpiece of the CIA?"
You are absolutely incompetent in trying to locate accurate descriptions of world affairs.

The more emoticons I get from you, the more I know you have gone off the rails.

[pgardn]

:cry but but CNN told me Russia is not targeting ISIS :cry

Why is this important?

What exactly are you trying to say here?

[pgardn]

Flown by who?

[hater]

Show me the evidence Southfont is funded by Iranian government.

[MultiTroll]

LONDON — French warplanes struck Islamic State militants in Syria on Sunday, a French government official said, two days after attackers linked to the terrorist group carried out a coordinated assault on Paris (http://www.nytimes.com/news-event/attacks-in-paris?inline=nyt-classifier) that killed 129 people.
Prior to the attack on Paris, France had been sparing in its strikes against targets in Syria.
News reports in France said the airstrikes were focused on Raqqa, the city in northern Syria that is the self-proclaimed capital of the Islamic State.

[MultiTroll]

^^^^
Which begets the questions:
1. Why has Raqqa not been bombed all along?
If the French Poodles can do it now, we know they could have done it before.
Along with Barry and Putin.

Is Cosmore links that show the caravans of 100+ trucks carrying ISIS tards in the middle of the wide open desert yet untouched.......?

[boutons_deux]

^^^^
Along with Barry and Putin.


Putin's priority is Syrian rebels, not ISIS because ISIS is also fighting the rebels.

[hater]

Putin's priority is Syrian rebels, not ISIS because ISIS is also fighting the rebels.

This is bullshit. Russia is helping Assads army push ISIS back from Aleppo. They even freed the airbase which was under siege from ISIS for 3,years.


Don't believe CIA mouthpieces CNN and WSJ and NYT. Russia is fighting ISIS.

Btw note US media makes zero mention of Al Nusra which is Al Qaeda. Russia is also fighting them while US considers them allies vs Assad

[hater]

Finally US is negotiating with Putin, Syria and Assad. I guess it took a brutal attack on France to put them back in the negotiating table.

The real enemy is ISIS and Al Nusra. Not Assad. Finally they waking up while I've been clamoring this for months

[hater]

FRANCE JOINS RUSSIA/SYRIA/IRAN/IRAQ ALLIANCE!!

France24 Breaking News: France to join Russia in an alliance to fight ISIS :wow

Putin orders his navy to work with france

:lmao John McCain :lol

[hater]

:lol Obama

[hater]

Oh shit he didn't go there :wow

Lavrov: US deliberately not attacking ISIS to weaken Assad :wow

[boutons_deux]

^^^^
Which begets the questions:
1. Why has Raqqa not been bombed all along?

Also, USA was not hitting inside Syria, and it made the news when USA started. I guess France has the same reticence.

Maybe "some thought" that getting ISIS out of Iraq was the (initial) objective.

[hater]

Putin’s air force just used its nuclear bombers to lay waste to the capital of the ‘Islamic State.’

The Russian air force just pulled off one of the biggest and most complex heavy bomber missions in modern history—sending no fewer than 25 Backfire, Bear, and Blackjack bombers on a coordinated, long-range air raid against alleged ISIS forces in Syria.

The Tuesday mission, which launched under the cover of darkness from a base in Ossetia in southern Russia, signaled a significant escalation of Moscow’s air war in Syria—and heralded the rebirth of Russian heavy bomber squadrons that once had withered from a lack of funding.

All three models of bomber can fly thousands of miles while hauling no less than 20 tons of weaponry. Only China and the United States possess similar heavy warplanes.

The US flew 7 B-52s together to launch cruise missiles at Iraq in the early hours of Operation Desert Storm in 1991, and a group of eight of the giant warplanes repeated the feat on the first day of Operation Iraqi Freedom in March 2003.

In other words: This Russian attack was “shock and awe”—on steroids.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/russia-pounds-isis-with-biggest-bomber-raid-in-decades.html

[cheguevara]

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[cheguevara]

Oh shit he didn't go there :wow

Lavrov: US deliberately not attacking ISIS to weaken Assad :wow

most obvious tbh

[hater]

Looks like Rebels North of Aleppo are getting crushed by 3 fronts. Kurds to the West, ISIS to the East and SAA/Hezbolla to the South.

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[hater]

Hezbollah and T-90 Tanks Propel the Syrian Army in Southern Aleppo

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/hezbollah-and-t-90-tanks-propel-the-syrian-army-in-southern-aleppo/

Over the last three weeks, Hezbollah’s absence from the southern Aleppo front has been greatly missed by the Syrian Armed Forces and their allies as they were forced to withstand a massive counter-assault by the Islamist rebels from Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham, Harakat Nouriddeen Al-Zinki, and the Syrian Al-Qaeda group “Jabhat Al-Nusra”.

Luckily, help arrived earlier this week in the form of the newly brandished Russian T-90 Tanks that were delivered to the port of Latakia in early November.

In addition to the arrival of the T-90 Tanks, a large convoy of reinforcements from the Syrian Arab Army’s 4th Mechanized Division and Hezbollah rejoined the battle in the Aleppo Governorate’s southern countryside, giving the embattled soldiers combatting the Islamist rebels a much needed boost.

On Friday morning, the Syrian Arab Army’s 4th Mechanized Division – in coordination with Hezbollah, the National Defense Forces (NDF) of Aleppo City, Kata’eb Hezbollah (Iraqi paramilitary), Harakat Al-Nujaba (Iraqi paramilitary), and Firqa Fatiyyemoun (Iranian-Afghani paramilitary) – struck back against the Islamist rebels of Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham and Harakat Nouriddeen Al-Zinki, capturing the small hilltop villages of Tal Al-Baraqa, Tal Dadeen, and Tal Ja’eera.

Following the capture of these aforementioned villages, the Syrian Armed Forces launched an assault on Tal ‘Arba’een, seizing this hilltop village after a brief firefight with Jaysh Al-Islam and Liwaa Suqour Al-Sham.

With Hezbollah back in southern Aleppo, the Syrian Armed Forces are poised to make a push to capture the strategic ICARDA agricultural facility that is located along the Aleppo-Damascus Highway; if seized, the Islamist rebels will have their primary supply line cut.

[RandomGuy]

Russia says it’s bombing ISIS in Syria. It’s actually bombing their enemies.

Russia began bombing targets in Syria (http://www.vox.com/2015/9/24/9392543/russia-syria-putin) on Wednesday. Russian President Vladimir Putin has framed his military intervention there as targeting terrorist groups, especially ISIS (http://www.vox.com/2015/9/28/9409883/putin-un-address-terrorism). And Russia said its strikes today were launched against ISIS (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/russia-begins-surgical-strikes-targeting-isis-syria-n436106).

Don't believe it. The strikes reported this morning aren't happening anywhere near ISIS territory and aren't actually hitting ISIS positions, as a look at the following map from theInstitute for the Study of War (http://www.iswresearch.blogspot.com/2015/09/russias-first-reported-air-strikes-in.html) (ISW) should make clear. In fact, Russia is bombing ISIS'senemies in the Syrian opposition — which makes a lot more sense if you understand what Russia is really trying to accomplish.

According to ISW researcher Genevieve Casagrande (http://www.iswresearch.blogspot.com/2015/09/russias-first-reported-air-strikes-in.html), a Russian airstrike this morning appears to have hit Talbiseh, a town in the tan rebel-held swatch just north of Homs, in Syria's east. You'll note that this is nowhere near ISIS territory, marked in gray:
https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/CK0H-r6YMhEUKlT5XxEmJ6YfNRk=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4110922/Russian%20Posture%20in%20Syria%2027%20SEP%202015-01.png

"Talbiseh is home to Syrian al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra, hardline Islamist Ahrar al-Sham, and a number of other local rebel groups," Casagrande explains. These organizations are generally hostile (http://carnegieendowment.org/syriaincrisis/?fa=56581) to ISIS. "The airstrike," she concludes, "did not hit ISIS militants."

Michael Horowitz (https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/649159390436683776), a senior intelligence analyst at the Levantine Group, says that Russia bombed another town near Homs (Zaafarana) and one (Ltamenah) near the city of Hama, north of Homs. Again, as you can see on the map, none of these are near ISIS territory. According to Horowitz, all of the towns are held by non-ISIS groups.

"Russia targeted only groups that are not ISIS and it may have targeted groups backed by the US," Horowitz told BuzzFeed (http://www.buzzfeed.com/borzoudaragahi/russia-has-begun-airstrikes-inside-syria-including-areas-con#.htoPALxZRl)'s Borzou Daragahi.

"It’s really clear that the airstrikes were not meant to target ISIS."

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/russia-bombing-isis-syria

What a fucking mess! :lol

Thanks, Repugs!




https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ASyria_location_map2.svg

Updated map. (linked to picture from wiki as of 30 nov 2015)

Couldn't link the picture... darn it..

Here is somewhat of an updated map showing somewhat of an update, including recent russian airstrikes. They aren't hitting ISIS much.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27838034

[RandomGuy]

Its a pure bullshit News Organization funded in part by Iran and other ME "News" stations.

They are looking for volunteers from the ME, why don't you join. The site claims to correct all the disinformation. Once that claim is made (see FOX News) You slurp it up like the dupe you are. You say you don't like FOX so you go the other way with an organization even more ridiculous.

Fckn idiot...

Pretty much. Critical thinking isn't quite his strong suit. hatin'... that is a different story... heh.

[hater]

:lmao US running out of bombs. I guess bombing the desert for 2 and 1/2 years, while pretending to bomb ISIS has its drawbacks :lol

The Air Force has fired more than 20,000 missiles and bombs in the air war against the Islamic State, depleting its stocks of munitions and prompting the service to scour depots around the world for more weapons and to find money to buy them, according to records obtained by USA TODAY.

[Pelicans78]

:lmao US running out of bombs. I guess bombing the desert for 2 and 1/2 years, while pretending to bomb ISIS has its drawbacks :lol

The Air Force has fired more than 20,000 missiles and bombs in the air war against the Islamic State, depleting its stocks of munitions and prompting the service to scour depots around the world for more weapons and to find money to buy them, according to records obtained by USA TODAY.

Even the Saudis are probably criticizing that debacle.

[pgardn]

:lmao US running out of bombs. I guess bombing the desert for 2 and 1/2 years, while pretending to bomb ISIS has its drawbacks :lol

The Air Force has fired more than 20,000 missiles and bombs in the air war against the Islamic State, depleting its stocks of munitions and prompting the service to scour depots around the world for more weapons and to find money to buy them, according to records obtained by USA TODAY.

So we never bombed ISIS targets, we were just dropping bombs haphazardly in the desert.

We have been lied to by all our major newspapers as they are the mouthpiece of the CIA?

News everyone, the US is pretending to bomb ISIS targets so as to waste bombs.
Hater sez so.

[boutons_deux]

Russian warplanes disrupt ISIS oil sales channels; destroy 500 terrorist oil trucks in Syria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFAY7LXFhxM

[pgardn]

Russian warplanes disrupt ISIS oil sales channels; destroy 500 terrorist oil trucks in Syria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFAY7LXFhxM

Trying to keep Turkey out of Assad's hair.

[MultiTroll]

What is the latest on Putin saying he has proof (as in evidence )of Turkey making money off ISIS oil?

[hater]

What is the latest on Putin saying he has proof (as in evidence )of Turkey making money off ISIS oil?

Well. Russia released videos and photographs of hundreds of oil tankers traveling into Turkey. The border guards let them in everytime. These trucks moved into a Turkish refinery and a port in Turkey. One could assume with 99% certainty that the oil was processed there and shipped for sale. One could also assume with 99% certainty Turkish oil companies made a cut of that oil. Remember Erdohitlers son is head of Turkish Oil and he has been photographed meeting with ISIS leaders.

Lastly, Turkish media has published stories of weapon shipments going from Turkey into Syria as payment to ISIS. Also media has reported military hospitals are treating ISIS injured. The media members that published this have been arrested and jailed under treason by Erdohitler.

So that's the "evidence".

[MultiTroll]

^^ link us up.

[Winehole23]

The Wall Street Journal denounces (http://www.wsj.com/articles/ted-cruzs-syria-dog-1449102321) Ted Cruz for his foreign policy deviationism. This part was especially risible:



On Syria Mr. Cruz’s “no dog in the fight” line is a way of doubling down on his 2013 opposition to enforcing a chemical red line in Syria by bombing the Assad regime. That bipartisan failure to enforce President Obama’s red line sent a disastrous signal that U.S. threats were empty and encouraged much of the mayhem that has followed [bold mine-DL]—from Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine to Islamic State’s capture of Mosul.



As far as traditional conservatives are concerned, a quarrel between the WSJ and Ted Cruz is the Iran-Iraq war of intra-Republican battles: the only problem is that they can’t both lose. But on this particular foreign policy question, the Journal editors are profoundly wrong as usual and Cruz makes the stronger case. It’s worth pointing this out here to appreciate how superficial and bankrupt the arguments of Syria hawks have been and continue to be.

Drawing the “red line” was one of Obama’s more serious errors in Syria. Attempting to follow through on that threat was another. It is amusing that the Journal editors are accusing Cruz of being too much like Obama while they argue for enforcing the unnecessary threat that Obama made. They attack Cruz because he has dissented from the bipartisan consensus in favor of more extensive meddling in Syria’s civil war, and in doing so he is also rejecting Obama’s Syria policy of the last several years. The reality is that the WSJ editors are closer to Obama on Syria than Cruz is, and they are desperate to distract attention from this. Cruz can and should be accused of many things, but siding with Obama on major foreign policy questions isn’t one of them.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/syria-hawks-vs-cruz/

[pgardn]

What is the latest on Putin saying he has proof (as in evidence )of Turkey making money off ISIS oil?

Western papers were already on this fellas. And it's specific " business " individuals within Turkey

[boutons_deux]

specific " business " individuals within Turkey

.... who no doubt are well-known to enabling Turkish govt "individuals" who are probably getting in on the action

[pgardn]

.... who no doubt are well-known to enabling Turkish govt "individuals" who are probably getting in on the action

Im suspecting a blind eye was turned. But that was not part of the findings. The US had already addressed the issue as well.

[boutons_deux]

Im suspecting a blind eye was turned. But that was not part of the findings. The US had already addressed the issue as well.

how naive. $100Ms of oil sold "illegally" to Turkey by ISIS/Lybia and nobody in Turkey was getting paid? :lol

[pgardn]

how naive. $100Ms of oil sold "illegally" to Turkey by ISIS/Lybia and nobody in Turkey was getting paid? :lol

The reporting was unable to make the connection with facts. I suspect it's still being worked on and it will be established. You find the reporting naive, or you just wanted an editorial? I put quotes around "businesses" to indicate my doubt i.e. this money could be very direct. It could be that the middle men make a pittance compared to Turkish govt officials, could... It could be entirely run by a Turkish ministry.

You got a problem with the above boots?

[Winehole23]

because, Obama is a pussy:


The U.S. Air Force has fired off more than 20,000 missiles and bombs since the U.S. bombing campaign against ISIS began 15 months ago, according to the Air Force, leading to depleted munitions stockpiles and calls to ramp up funding and weapons production.

As the U.S. ramps up its campaign against the Islamist terror group in Iraq and Syria, the Air Force is now "expending munitions faster than we can replenish them," Air Force chief of staff Gen. Mark Welsh said in a statement.


"B-1s have dropped bombs in record numbers. F-15Es are in the fight because they are able to employ a wide range of weapons and do so with great flexibility. We need the funding in place to ensure we're prepared for the long fight," Welsh said in the statement. "This is a critical need."


The bombing campaign has left the U.S. Air Force with what an Air Force official described as munitions depot stocks "below our desired objective."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/

[MultiTroll]

The US had already addressed the issue as well.
What did US say?

[Wild Cobra]

because, Obama is a pussy:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/

Wow.

He depleted our smart munitions like Clinton did against Iraq.

Using air attacks only, there has to be serious civilian collateral damage. Anyone see numbers, or is the media withholding them?

[boutons_deux]

because, Obama is a pussy:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/

Military needs MORE $Bs?

$600B+ PER YEAR is not enough? :lol

Every fucking body is hustling, shaking down taxpayers at every opportunity, under every pretext.

[Winehole23]

don't worry, WC, we'll find the money for more missiles and bombs

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Its a pure bullshit News Organization funded in part by Iran and other ME "News" stations.

They are looking for volunteers from the ME, why don't you join. The site claims to correct all the disinformation. Once that claim is made (see FOX News) You slurp it up like the dupe you are. You say you don't like FOX so you go the other way with an organization even more ridiculous.

Fckn idiot...

He does it intentionally. He knows its bullshit. I think he just likes to see the arguments against what he says and getting people riled up. I just laugh at it like I used to laugh at the World Weekly News at the checkout aisle.

You have to change your frame of reference around this place. He's not going to argue on merit particularly if it means that he admits that he is wrong. He's also a fan of mixing the legitimate and his nonsense pretending like it's valid and all other manner of spurious arguments. I thought grouping the guardian and the fruitbat site was a nice touch.

He doesn't think he's an idiot because he has gotten you riled up and arguing on merit which is what he wanted in the first place. Stop asking him questions that you think proves your point. He likes the attention and will just pull the same tactics he always does.

Instead state your arguments simply and directly. All of the inane arguments can be summarily dismissed in two sentences in a very obvious way. They don't like that. If they start getting on different accounts and spamming angrily at you then you've won. You've stated your arguments so reasonable people an see them and read plus you've got them doing what they are trying to do to you.

[pgardn]

What did US say?

We have evidence that this might be happening.

Through diplomatic channels of course. It does not make sense to pretend like we are bullying a leader who is under stress to cause him to react just out of bravado.

[pgardn]

He does it intentionally. He knows its bullshit. I think he just likes to see the arguments against what he says and getting people riled up. I just laugh at it like I used to laugh at the World Weekly News at the checkout aisle.

You have to change your frame of reference around this place. He's not going to argue on merit particularly if it means that he admits that he is wrong. He's also a fan of mixing the legitimate and his nonsense pretending like it's valid and all other manner of spurious arguments. I thought grouping the guardian and the fruitbat site was a nice touch.

He doesn't think he's an idiot because he has gotten you riled up and arguing on merit which is what he wanted in the first place. Stop asking him questions that you think proves your point. He likes the attention and will just pull the same tactics he always does.

Instead state your arguments simply and directly. All of the inane arguments can be summarily dismissed in two sentences in a very obvious way. They don't like that. If they start getting on different accounts and spamming angrily at you then you've won. You've stated your arguments so reasonable people an see them and read plus you've got them doing what they are trying to do to you.

Actually I'm not all that riled up.

I enjoy a good cuss and spitting.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually I'm not all that riled up.

I enjoy a good cuss and spitting.

No one ever admit's they are riled up and perception is just as important as reality.

[pgardn]

No one ever admit's they are riled up and perception is just as important as reality.

You are correct.

But I still don't care. Honestly, I really get some great laughs off this site so it's all well worth it. I'm an optimist and a pretty happy person as I know how lucky I am compared to the vast majority of humans on this Earth past and present.

Its all good for me. I would do lol more often but it's not even close to the laughs I get. Seems insincere.

Spursforsix parodies of Avante have me rolling even though they are completely juvenile. And so much more... Boots and human Americans... On and on.

[hater]

I will gladly argue any statements I made in a civilized manner..lets start.

I back up all my facts with 100% heart. Lets get it on.

Note that I never call anyone names unless I am personally insulted. I will keep a discussion civilized until the other person starts flinging shit

[hater]

So who's wants some? Lets go

[pgardn]

So who's wants some? Lets go

No way.

You got a red sickle and hammer.

[hater]

Homs has been cleansed from terrorists

http://www.wsj.com/articles/syrian-rebels-assads-forces-begin-cease-fire-in-homs-1449083700

Dozens of insurgents began evacuating their last stronghold in Syria’s central city of Homs on Wednesday as part of a local deal with government forces that allows them safe passage to areas in the country’s north.Once the evacuation is completed, the city of Homs will fully return to government control.

[lefty]

:lol yeah right

[hater]

hopefully this will be the beginning of a peace process :tu

674594397154054144

[hater]

HOMS officially liberated

674546464660529152

[pgardn]

Peace with ISIS?

Good luck.

[boutons_deux]

checkmated in Syria?

NOTHING keeps the Imperial, money-grubbing MIC "down" for long

As It Fights ISIS, Pentagon Seeks String of Bases Overseas

As American intelligence agencies grapple with the expansion of the Islamic State beyond its headquarters in Syria, the Pentagon has proposed a new plan to the White House to build up a string of military bases in Africa, Southwest Asia and the Middle East.
The bases could be used for collecting intelligence and carrying out strikes against the terrorist group’s far-flung affiliates.

The growth of the Islamic State’s franchises — at least eight militant groups have pledged loyalty to the network’s leaders so far — has forced a debate within the Obama administration about how to distinguish between the affiliates that pose the most immediate threat to the United States and Europe and others that are more regionally focused. The regional groups, some officials say, may have opportunistically adopted the Islamic State’s brand to bolster their local clout and global stature.

In the midst of that debate, senior military officials have told the White House that the network of bases would serve as hubs for Special Operations troops and intelligence operatives who would conduct counterterrorism missions for the foreseeable future. The plan would all but ensure what Pentagon officials call an “enduring” American military presence in some of the world’s most volatile regions.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/us/politics/pentagon-seeks-string-of-overseas-bases-to-contain-isis.html

yep, "enduring" waste of taxpayers $100Bs as US military pads their careers, fights off barracks boredom.

There is already a wide-spread US military presence in Africa, to no known, obvious benefit to anyone.

US military FAILED in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they keep getting the $Ts to burn through.

[hater]

:lmao largest "moderate rebel" faction quits Ryad peace talks. They send out a statement with conditions including making sure Syria is to become an Islamic State employing Sharia law for all :lol

:lol moderate rebels :lmao

Syria conflict: Ahrar al-Sham quits opposition unity talks

Ahrar al-Sham is a ultraconservative Islamist, or Salafist, rebel group that aims to topple Mr Assad and build an Islamic state, though it vows to achieve the latter through the ballot box and not force. It is part of Jaysh al-Fatah, an alliance that includes the al-Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra Front.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35060935

The largest Islamist rebel faction operating in Syria – Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham – has issued a statement
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/10/largest-moderate-group-in-syria-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-country-sharia-law-imposed-in-northern-aleppo/

All of Syria shall be united – no partition.

Syria will become an Islamic state.

Fighting ISIS is secondary because rebels have lost family members because of the war with the Syrian Army.

Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham asserts – once again – that Syria will be an Islamic state.


The Army of Conquest, a coalition of Islamist groups openly supported by Saudi Arabia and Turkey, have introduced a string of Shariah law to be implemented

Dress codes will be enforced in schools, hospitals and all forms of public life. Females will be prohibited from being uncovered and those who do not adhere will be brought before a Shariah court and judged in accordance with those laws.

[hater]

apparently Al-Sham/Al-Nusra will try to enact Islamic State and Sharia law through ballots. And if they don't get what they want, back to war it is :lol

[hater]

Great News!!!

let's hope there's a real cease fire in the next few weeks :tu

UN Security Council unanimously adopts Syrian roadmap resolution

The resolution demands that all parties to the Syrian conflict “immediately cease any attacks against civilians.” A mechanism to monitor, verify, and report on the truce is to be worked out within a month.

The only groups excluded from the ceasefire are Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and Al-Nusra Front, Al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria.

:lol ISIS

:lol Al Qaeda

[FuzzyLumpkins]

HOMS officially liberated

674546464660529152

:lol you don't gaf about logical consistency at all.

[hater]

Tbh at this point all sides should be rooting for a cease fire. Who cares who's winning and who won. Enough ppl have died. Have a cease fire. That's what I'm rooting for tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tbh at this point all sides should be rooting for a cease fire. Who cares who's winning and who won. Enough ppl have died. Have a cease fire. That's what I'm rooting for tbh

So when Syria does it, it's great. The notion that the west might even think of working with them is to be denounced in the strongest terms.

Got it.

[hater]

The West was never working with Assad before Russia stepped in. Remember Obama said Assad HAS TO GO. Now... A different tune

[pgardn]

The West was never working with Assad before Russia stepped in. Remember Obama said Assad HAS TO GO. Now... A different tune

This is something I will never get. If situations change, I want our leaders to change ideas and tactics.

When my house is burning, and I have made a prior proclamation I will never leave my home, I stay so as to get burnt to a crisp with the comforting knowledge that I never changed my thinking. Excellent reasoning.

[boutons_deux]

This is something I will never get. If situations change, I want our leaders to change ideas and tactics.

When my house is burning, and I have made a prior proclamation I will never leave my home, I stay so as to get burnt to a crisp with the comforting knowledge that I never changed my thinking. Excellent reasoning.

Saddam, Assad, Iran have always been necons' targets for "regime change". After toppling Saddam, the neocons' joke was "Real Men Go To Tehran"

=================

"One senior British official dryly told Newsweek before the invasion, “Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran.” And then, presumably, to Damascus, Beirut, Khartoum, Sanaa, Pyongyang.

Richard Perle, one of the most influential advisers to the Pentagon, told an audience not long ago that, with a successful invasion of Iraq, “we could deliver a short message, a two-word message: ‘You’re next.’ ”"

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/04/21/war-without-end

Repug/neocon/PNAC/BigOil's objective was to establish US hegemony over the Middle East and its oil.

[TDMVPDPOY]

does syrians even want to become a Islamic state with sharia laws?

it seems like the idiots who want sharia law are not even syrians but goatfuckers from parts of the middle easts who wants a piece of the pie thats syria...

[hater]

does syrians even want to become a Islamic state with sharia laws?

it seems like the idiots who want sharia law are not even syrians but goatfuckers from parts of the middle easts who wants a piece of the pie thats syria...

Yup. It's a known fact the so called moderate rebels are mostly foreign mercenaries. The radical ISIS and Al QAeda even more so.

Why do u think the real Syrians are escaping via migration to Europe. Their country is being invaded by barbaric hordes paid to the Gulf States and the West.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The West was never working with Assad before Russia stepped in. Remember Obama said Assad HAS TO GO. Now... A different tune

L2read. I'm just going to take your poor reading and whatnot as face value. It's much more entertaining than trying to condescend through the troll as you simply maintain character.

Anyway what I said was


"So when Syria does it, it's great. The notion that the west might even think of working with them is to be denounced in the strongest terms.

We were talking about negotiating with al-Nusra. Pointing out the obvious in us being at odds with Assad WC style was a nice touch.

[Nbadan]

Russia to try new toy in Syria...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wKqEv67nw0

[RandomGuy]

Russia to try new toy in Syria...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wKqEv67nw0

Not "the greatest aircraft", but they get to finally test it in close-air support roles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35

Unfortunately, Russia's use of "dumb" munitions means these things look good on paper, but have a much harder time hitting what they are aiming for.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/14/putin-smart-bombs-arent-all-that-smart/

[hater]

Amazing week for Syrian Arab Army. Great advances over Al NusRa and ISIS.

:lol US coalition had to cancel the Sytia peace negotiations bcause they had nothing to show for while Russia has a hand with 3 Aces :lmao

US coalition getting desperate for any ground success in Syria. Turkey already started to shell Syrian towns in the border and probably some big event will happen soon whether another Russian plane ambushed or a terrible bombing event.

Shits gettin real :lol

[RandomGuy]

The West was never working with Assad before Russia stepped in. Remember Obama said Assad HAS TO GO. Now... A different tune

Pretty much.

Hard to angle the guy out of power with Russia AND Iran propping him up.

Things have changed, and a realistic assessment of what is possible has to be made.

[hater]

Well want went wrong for Obomber and co is that they were not allowed to bomb at will as they did with Lybia. That's the ONLY reason why Assad was able to stay in power.

They were not allowed to bomb by the US populace. Props to all the US citizens who avoided another Lybia. Still even without their bombing Saudi, US and allies made a mess of Syria through their funneling of arms and money to jihadists.


Still their goal to topple Assad was delayed long enough for Russia to cook up their war plan which is going pretty fantastically so far. Thanks to American civilians :tu

[hater]

:lmao true story:

US and allies suspending Syria talks because Putin and Assad are being meanies and attacking the terrorists :lmao

You just can't make thus shit up :lol

[pgardn]

:lmao true story:

US and allies suspending Syria talks because Putin and Assad are being meanies and attacking the terrorists :lmao

You just can't make thus shit up :lol


Yes you can, you just did.

[ChumpDumper]

ever build!

[hater]

697543076278046720

Assad cut off the head of the terrorist, cut their supply lines. Poor SOBs terrorists that have been left behind enemy lines :wow

[hater]

Bullish Vladimir Putin is running rings around the west in Syria

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/11/syria-vladimir-putin-russia-running-rings-around-west

It’s Putin’s game. And, so far, he’s winning.

When Russia’s president piled into the conflict last autumn in support of Bashar al-Assad, Barack Obama said a “quagmire” awaited him. The opposite has happened.

A lightening offensive this month in the area around Aleppo in the north took anti-Assad rebels by surprise, severing a vital supply route to the city.

[hater]

Russians have proposed a cease fire to start on March 1st. Most likely they are confident they can obliterate the rebels by that time. 3 weeks.

Meanwhile Erdohitler and French puppets crying about Russia being mean to their terrorists. ErdoHItler: "US is allowing a sea of blood..." :cry

book this:

SOME BIG HUGE SHIT IS GOING TO GO DOWN IN THE NEXT 3 WEEKS. Whether another army jumping into Syria, air-air skirmishes, a huge Assad/Putin victory or big terrorist attack. HEED MY WORDS. something BIG is going to happen in the next 3 weeks.


shit's about to get real :wow

[hater]

Some good news. Southern rebels want to join back the regime.

Also Kurds and Russians about to form an alliance

:tu

As usual. I was right on this months ago. Russians and Kurds just scored a huge victory on terrorists and took an airbase.