Active shooter San Bernardino, CA

[spurraider21]

police hatred talk seems to go away when they risk their lives trying to handle situations like this

[boutons_deux]

What is a likely terrorist target?

... trying to get people from celebrating with end-of-year parties.

[boutons_deux]

police hatred talk seems to go away when they risk their lives trying to handle situations like this

... they're doing their job, not brutalizing, executing people.

[hater]

Is terrorism your conclusion too?

Lol moving goalposts.

He said "sounds like terrorism"

[ChumpDumper]

Lol moving goalposts.

He said "sounds like terrorism"Good idea for you to back down.

[TeyshaBlue]

Theaters and open air restaurants?

Yes, quite likely targets by comparison.

One conference room rented out from a learning center for the developmentally disabled?

Not terribly likely in my book.

Agreed. Really odd choice for that type of attack.

Get 100x more in a mall.

[TheSanityAnnex]

lol ak47.net

This is so weird, I'm open to almost any possibility tho.

http://controversialtimes.com/news/police-chasing-black-suv-from-san-bernardino-shooting-suspects-gunfire-exchanged-video/

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ramming door down at Redlands house

[TheSanityAnnex]

Theaters and open air restaurants?

Yes, quite likely targets by comparison.

One conference room rented out from a learning center for the developmentally disabled?

Not terribly likely in my book.
Soft target is soft target

[clambake]

i hear that thousands are cheering in jersey

[hater]

Good idea for you to back down.

:lol "sounds like terrorism" = "I conclude its terrorism"

Dumbass

[ChumpDumper]

Soft target is soft targetWhy would anyone choose that particular target?

We know you speculate, so go ahead.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol "sounds like terrorism" = "I conclude its terrorism"

DumbassKeep backing.

[clambake]

where is el nono?

[hater]

Keep backing.

Keep being a retard.

[spurraider21]

Keep backing.
backing from a claim he never made?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why would anyone choose that particular target?

We know you speculate, so go ahead.
You ask some really stupid fucking questions.

[ElNono]

where is el nono?

sup

[MultiTroll]

backing from a claim he never made?
:lol It's a tired old troll tactic.
Rumpy. Yawn.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Names not being released makes me think these people were being watched by the FBI and there are more linked to this they are tracking down

[ChumpDumper]

You ask some really stupid fucking questions.You dodge really reasonable questions, pussy.

[DMX7]

Does it even matter if it's terrorism or not? Just another day in America... It could be a terrorist or some loner not getting laid and with easy access to a gun... either way, another mass shooting. USA #1.

[ChumpDumper]

backing from a claim he never made?From any actual conversation about the topic.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You dodge really reasonable questions, pussy.
No it's simply a stupid fucking question.

[hater]

Does it even matter if it's terrorism or not? Just another day in America... It could be a terrorist or some loner not getting laid and with easy access to a gun... either way, another mass shooting. USA #1.

Well the political parties, groups like NRA, and trolls around the internet need to know who to blame tbqh

Oh and Obama needs to be able to say if his kid coulda been.one of them

[NASpurs]

It doesn't make sense if the guy who got pissed off, came back with pipe bombs, two other people with long guns and armor. Sounds like equipment that you get when you plan some shit and not a random emotion outburst.

[mingus]

I don't buy that it's Islamist terrorism. I'd bet it's not.

For one, no one suicided themselves, which leads me to believe it's not an Islamist fundamentalist act. Allegedly three suspects and not one suicided? It's typically a hallmark theirs.

Second, the place of massacre is odd. They could've killed more people in a strip mall or something. But they didn't because it was a targeted attack IMO. That place was targeted. Islamist fundamentalists don't target centers for mentally disabled. They target high-activity places.

Third, no terror group has taken ownership, as far as I know. Usually by now you'd have had ISIS, Al-Qaeda etc. taking responsibility.

Conclusion: not Islamist fundamentalism.

[ChumpDumper]

No it's simply a stupid fucking question.It's a fine and relevant question to you:

Why, of all the soft targets available in that area, why that one?

Is there precedent for a terrorist attack on a rented out room in a learning center for the developmentally impaired?

I don't expect you to be honest about it. I expect you to get angry again.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't buy that it's Islamist terrorism. I'd bet it's not.

For one, no one suicided themselves, which leads me to believe it's not an Islamist fundamentalist act. Allegedly three suspects and not one suicided? It's typically a hallmark theirs.

Second, the place of massacre is odd. They could've killed more people in a strip mall or something. But they didn't because it was a targeted attack IMO. That place was targeted. Islamist fundamentalists don't target centers for mentally disabled. They target high-activity places.

Third, no terror group has taken ownership, as far as I know. Usually by now you'd have had ISIS, Al-Qaeda etc. taking responsibility.

Conclusion: not Islamist fundamentalism.:cryYou asked yourself a bunch of stupid fucking questions to come to that conclusion.:cry

[RD2191]

Same name I heard over the scanner but take this picture with a HUGE grain of salt

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/Texan6326/5846F4CC-31A8-4C7E-A6BF-7093CC6EB7A7_zpsbsdalec8.png (http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/Texan6326/5846F4CC-31A8-4C7E-A6BF-7093CC6EB7A7_zpsbsdalec8.png)
Is it this guy?

[TheSanityAnnex]

EOD detonating device per scanner

[spurraider21]

Does it even matter if it's terrorism or not?
basically liberals got tired of the constant "terrorism terrorism terrorism" rhetoric of conservatives, so now to even the scales, they are demanding that we call violence by whites terrorism as well

it's not that they're inaccurate, but its only a recent trend to demand domestic violence to be called terrorism.

tl;dr "domestic terrorism" is just among the recent political buzzwords

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's a fine and relevant question to you:

Why, of all the soft targets available in that area, why that one?

Is there precedent for a terrorist attack on a rented out room in a learning center for the developmentally impaired?

I don't expect you to be honest about it. I expect you to get angry again.
You are asking me to know what they were thinking. That is fucking stupid.

[hater]

Tbh the non suicide terrorists are a trend now. Remember the Charlie Hebdo and even some of the Paris attack contributors ran from the scene.

Jihad and suicide don't always go hand in hand anymore

[spurraider21]

Tbh the non suicide terrorists are a trend now. Remember the Charlie Hebdo and even some of the Paris attack contributors ran from the scene.

Jihad and suicide don't always go hand in hand anymore
survival of the fittest?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Pretty common to have pipe bombs and armed friends on the ready in case the Christmas party goes bad amirite

[hater]

survival of the fittest?

IMO has to do with the great training they receive nowadays.

Thanks repugs!

[ChumpDumper]

You are asking me to know what they were thinking. That is fucking stupid.I'm asking what you think they were thinking.

It's not stupid. People do it all the time.

If mingus and I turn out to be right, do you think we know what they were thinking from the start?

No. We just speculated given what each of us know.

You are really having problems with this simple concept. Makes you angry.

[Aztecfan03]

It doesn't make sense if the guy who got pissed off, came back with pipe bombs, two other people with long guns and armor. Sounds like equipment that you get when you plan some shit and not a random emotion outburst.
that's why the one person being there ahead of time to make sure a specific target was there makes sense.

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty common to have pipe bombs and armed friends on the ready in case the Christmas party goes bad amiritePretty common for terrorists to shoot up a room rented for a holiday party in a learning center for the developmentally disabled amirite?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Damn they lit that suv up
http://youtu.be/ORII1IWoUGg

[ChumpDumper]

that's why the one person being there ahead of time to make sure a specific target was there makes sense.Really, this possibility isn't that hard to suss out.

[hater]

Dat CIA training btw

[TheSanityAnnex]

Pretty common for terrorists to shoot up a room rented for a holiday party in a learning center for the developmentally disabled amirite?
You are leaning towards argument at work gone crazy with friends and pipe bombs to help over planned attack?

[SnakeBoy]

Things aren't looking good for Chump on this one.

[RD2191]

I don't buy that it's Islamist terrorism. I'd bet it's not.

For one, no one suicided themselves, which leads me to believe it's not an Islamist fundamentalist act. Allegedly three suspects and not one suicided? It's typically a hallmark theirs.

Second, the place of massacre is odd. They could've killed more people in a strip mall or something. But they didn't because it was a targeted attack IMO. That place was targeted. Islamist fundamentalists don't target centers for mentally disabled. They target high-activity places.

Third, no terror group has taken ownership, as far as I know. Usually by now you'd have had ISIS, Al-Qaeda etc. taking responsibility.

Conclusion: not Islamist fundamentalism.
This place was actually a perfect target. Who the hell would expect this place to be attacked by terrorist?

[mingus]

Tbh the non suicide terrorists are a trend now. Remember the Charlie Hebdo and even some of the Paris attack contributors ran from the scene.

Jihad and suicide don't always go hand in hand anymore

Yeah, I get that. It's the sum of the three factors, but especially the 2nd one that is the biggest reason as to why I'd bet it's not fundamentalism.

If by some chance it turns out it is an act of fundamentalism, I'd be surprised, and don't take this the wrong way, but I'd feel "fortunate" since if it were to be they could've taken ALOT more people if they had targeted a place with higher volume of people. But they didn't because they're not fundamentalists.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Pretty common for terrorists to shoot up a room rented for a holiday party in a learning center for the developmentally disabled amirite?
Is there some terrorist rule book you own that says this wouldn't be allowed?

[DMX7]

Well the political parties, groups like NRA, and trolls around the internet need to know who to blame tbqh

Oh and Obama needs to be able to say if his kid coulda been.one of them


basically liberals got tired of the constant "terrorism terrorism terrorism" rhetoric of conservatives, so now to even the scales, they are demanding that we call violence by whites terrorism as well

it's not that they're inaccurate, but its only a recent trend to demand domestic violence to be called terrorism.

tl;dr "domestic terrorism" is just among the recent political buzzwords

If you had to take a guess whether or not Timothy McVeigh was ever a member of the NRA, what would you guess? :lol

He is still America's worst domestic terrorist.

[RD2191]

Is there some terrorist rule book you own that says this wouldn't be allowed?
:lol

[Aztecfan03]

You are leaning towards argument at work gone crazy with friends and pipe bombs to help over planned attack?


that's why the one person being there ahead of time to make sure a specific target was there makes sense.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This place was actually a perfect target. Who the hell would expect this place to be attacked by terrorist?
It'd be the smartest way to strike fear in Americans. Random attacks at random places in smaller towns.

[RD2191]

It'd be the smartest way to strike fear in Americans. Random attacks at random places in smaller towns.
Exactly.

[mingus]

This place was actually a perfect target. Who the hell would expect this place to be attacked by terrorist?

No. It was a dumb target. There's a plethora of other places they'd have attacked, and been able to get away with it just as easily, before this one.

[SpursforSix]

It'd be the smartest way to strike fear in Americans. Random attacks at random places in smaller towns.

The absolute worst would be a school.

[Th'Pusher]

police hatred talk seems to go away when they risk their lives trying to handle situations like this
Do you ever pass on an opportunity to swallow a big blue blue law officer dick whole or is it purely reflexively?

[Th'Pusher]

It'd be the smartest way to strike fear in Americans. Random attacks at random places in smaller towns.
The suspects ignored all of the people on the first floor and headed directly to the conference room.

[spurraider21]

Do you ever pass on an opportunity to swallow a big blue blue law officer dick whole or is it purely reflexively?
i call things like i see them. in many of the cases we've discussed, i've assigned blame on the cops and have said i hope they get the maximum punishment they deserve. but i also do have respect for that line of work

[mingus]

This place was actually a perfect target. Who the hell would expect this place to be attacked by terrorist?

When has "shooting a RANDOM place that won't result in the most fatalities" ever been a priority for ISIS?

You're thinking way to hard on this one. It's just common sense. But your fear of terrorism has fucked your head up so bad that you can't think, apparently.

[Th'Pusher]

i call things like i see them. in many of the cases we've discussed, i've assigned blame on the cops and have said i hope they get the maximum punishment they deserve. but i also do have respect for that line of work
Right. Fair and balanced. :tu

[TheSanityAnnex]

No. It was a dumb target. There's a plethora of other places they'd have attacked, and been able to get away with it just as easily, before this one.

You act as if the body count disappoints you.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The suspects ignored all of the people on the first floor and headed directly to the conference room.

Jews celebrating Hanukkah in the conference room?

[Th'Pusher]

Jews celebrating Hanukkah in the conference room?
Not really plausible imo.

[TheSanityAnnex]

When has "shooting a RANDOM place that won't result in the most fatalities" ever been a priority for ISIS?

You're thinking way to hard on this one. It's just common sense. But your fear of terrorism has fucked your head up so bad that you can't think, apparently.
:lol BRB party people I forgot my pipe bombs errr I mean gifts for the exchange. Mind if I bring my roommates back?!?!

[ElNono]

Barry is probably writing the redneck, bubba manifesto that they're going to plant at the scene to appease boutons, tbh....

[NASpurs]

672239210531823616

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not really plausible imo.

Nothing would surprise me at this point, this was just plain crazy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Barry is probably writing the redneck, bubba manifesto that they're going to plant at the scene to appease boutons, tbh....
Sad thing is that our President is really hoping it is white people, much easier for him to handle than if it's Muslims

[RD2191]

When has "shooting a RANDOM place that won't result in the most fatalities" ever been a priority for ISIS?

You're thinking way to hard on this one. It's just common sense. But your fear of terrorism has fucked your head up so bad that you can't think, apparently.
The fuck are you talking stupid faggot? Fear of terrorism? Crofl.

[TheSanityAnnex]

672239210531823616

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2013/san-bernardino-county/farook-syed-r/

[Th'Pusher]

Sad thing is that our President is really hoping it is white people, much easier for him to handle than if it's Muslims
Seems Muslims coming over on a tourist visa then arming themselves to the teeth once here would be a nice political football Barry could run with.

[hater]

:lol chump

[Th'Pusher]

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2013/san-bernardino-county/farook-syed-r/
Hearing he worked for company holding meeting in conference room that shot up.

[ElNono]

Sad thing is that our President is really hoping it is white people, much easier for him to handle than if it's Muslims

so you can read minds now?

[spurraider21]

672239210531823616
if only we had him in a database

[TheSanityAnnex]

so you can read minds now?
They've already got the script written for the white terrorist in the US. If they turn out to be Muslim he'll have to try and spin this as workplace violence. Which do you think he'd rather deal with?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook/jcr:content/image.crop.500.333.jpg/48303698.cached.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/2YQThAS.jpg

Are refugees still welcome libcucks?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Seems Muslims coming over on a tourist visa then arming themselves to the teeth once here would be a nice political football Barry could run with.
Can someone on a tourist visa legally obtain guns? Serious question

[Th'Pusher]

Sad thing is that our President is really hoping it is white people, much easier for him to handle than if it's Muslims

Or the guy was on the no fly list and bought all guns legally.

[TheSanityAnnex]

if only we had him in a database
FBI was on that house quickly wouldn't surprise me if he was on a list

[hater]

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook/jcr:content/image.crop.500.333.jpg/48303698.cached.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/2YQThAS.jpg

Are refugees still welcome libcucks?

The Statue of Liberty says yes

[TheSanityAnnex]

Or the guy was on the no fly list and bought all guns legally.
The list with 350,000 people on it with zero ties to any terrorist groups? Sounds like an excellent list.

[Th'Pusher]

Can someone on a tourist visa legally obtain guns? Serious question

Doubt it. But who said anything about legally purchased?

[Spurminator]

They've already got the script written for the white terrorist in the US. If they turn out to be Muslim he'll have to try and spin this as workplace violence. Which do you think he'd rather deal with?

Why should it be that hard? Why can't we handle hearing a criminal is Middle Eastern without wanting to blame an entire religious or racial bloc?

[ElNono]

They've already got the script written for the white terrorist in the US. If they turn out to be Muslim he'll have to try and spin this as workplace violence. Which do you think he'd rather deal with?

I think he'd rather deal with no shootings, IMO

[Th'Pusher]

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook/jcr:content/image.crop.500.333.jpg/48303698.cached.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/2YQThAS.jpg

Are refugees still welcome libcucks?
Suspect is a us citizen

[ElNono]

Can someone on a tourist visa legally obtain guns? Serious question

You know the answer to that question is yes...

[hater]

You know the answer to that question is yes...

Really? I thought they ask foe ID?

[Th'Pusher]

The list with 350,000 people on it with zero ties to any terrorist groups? Sounds like an excellent list.
Yes. That list. You don't think it would be devastating if he was on that list and purchased the guns legally? I'm not suggesting the is true...just saying that might be more politically advantageous to Barry than a white dude.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why should it be that hard? Why can't we handle hearing a criminal is Middle Eastern without wanting to blame an entire religious or racial bloc?
We can handle it but our President has a hard time saying it.

[hater]

We can handle it but our President has a hard time saying it.

Truth

[TheSanityAnnex]

I think he'd rather deal with no shootings, IMO
We all would.

But he has to speak on this and one is easier to blame than the other for him.

[Spurminator]

We can handle it

No, we can't.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yes. That list. You don't think it would be devastating if he was on that list and purchased the guns legally? I'm not suggesting the is true...just saying that might be more politically advantageous to Barry than a white dude.

I'm all for no guns for those on that list if they can clean it up and eliminate 350,000 people with no ties to any known terrorist groups.

[mingus]

You act as if the body count disappoints you.

I don't get it.

[Spurminator]

I'm all for no guns for those on that list if they can clean it up and eliminate 350,000 people with no ties to any known terrorist groups.

What if Syed Farooq was on the list but had no known ties to terrorist groups because of the same lack of information we have for Syrian refugees?

[ElNono]

Really? I thought they ask foe ID?

Not in a gun show, they don't, AFAIK... at least in most states

[mingus]

The fuck are you talking stupid faggot? Fear of terrorism? Crofl.

Just what I said. I don't know what else you want me to say.

lol calling me a faggot on the Internet.

[Th'Pusher]

Not in a gun show, they don't, AFAIK... at least in most states
Yep. The old gun show loophole. Forgot about that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yes. That list. You don't think it would be devastating if he was on that list and purchased the guns legally? I'm not suggesting the is true...just saying that might be more politically advantageous to Barry than a white dude.

im going to out devastate you. What if the guns were purchased during fast and the furious like the Garland, TX shooter?


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-garland-gun-20150801-story.html
:bobo

[TheSanityAnnex]

What if Syed Farooq was on the list but had no known ties to terrorist groups because of the same lack of information we have for Syrian refugees?
What got him on the list in your hypothetical?

[NASpurs]

672252977806094336

[Th'Pusher]

im going to out devastate you. What if the guns were purchased during fast and the furious like the Garland, TX shooter?


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-garland-gun-20150801-story.html
:bobo
Um..that's not devastating. Let's just say the guy was a home grown, lone wolf, American radicalized Muslim terrorist who armed himself to the teeth legally. That wouldn't be good news for the NRA.

[Pelicans78]

Syed Farook sounds like a name among Pakistanis/Indian Muslims.

[lefty]

Piers Morgan is a huge fucking faggot.well he is an Arsenal fan

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not in a gun show, they don't, AFAIK... at least in most states
Cmon Nono the loophole myth has been debunked time and time again.


“The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun,” said Mr. Obama, when he announced his gun-violence task force results on Jan. 16. “But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”
The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.



That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.
Gun shows aren’t the equivalent of the Wild West. The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

I'm all for no guns for those on that list if they can clean it up and eliminate 350,000 people with no ties to any known terrorist groups.

Why aren't you for no Muslims being allowed in this country at all? What exactly do Muslims provide this country with that you would miss?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Um..that's not devastating. Let's just say the guy was a home grown, lone wolf, American radicalized Muslim terrorist who armed himself to the teeth legally. That wouldn't be good news for the NRA.
Why would that be bad for the NRA if he armed himself legally?

[mingus]

So the dude appears to be Muslim, or at least an Arab.

At glance it might seem appropriate & easy to connect that to Fundamentalism, but I believe given what I stated before that it will prove to be not what it appears to be at a glance. Why he/they shot that particular place up will reveal itself as we know more, but I don't believe the line of reasoning in this thread by some because it has no precedent. Terrorist acts are never at random places. They're either in high traffic places (ie Paris) and/or specifically targeted places (ie synagogue, Charlie headquarters).

[Th'Pusher]

Cmon Nono the loophole myth has been debunked time and time again.


“The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun,” said Mr. Obama, when he announced his gun-violence task force results on Jan. 16. “But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”
The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.



That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.
Gun shows aren’t the equivalent of the Wild West. The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property.
So they can come over on a tourist visa and arm themselves via private gun sale from their american compatriots legally. Nice.

[spurraider21]

From the information we have (which is clearly fluid), I don't see any sort of religious motivation making sense yet.

[ElNono]

Cmon Nono the loophole myth has been debunked time and time again.


“The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun,” said Mr. Obama, when he announced his gun-violence task force results on Jan. 16. “But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.”
The 40 percent figure that Mr. Obama and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, cite so frequently comes from a 1997 Justice Department survey. A closer look at that 40 percent number reveals it includes 29 percent of gun owners who said they got their guns from family members or friends and acquaintances.



That leaves 11 percent of firearms obtained through unfamiliar people. Of these, 3 percent reported they got their firearms “through the mail,” a process that requires a background check from a federally licensed firearms dealer. Four percent said “other,” and 4 percent made their purchase at a gun show.
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.
Gun shows aren’t the equivalent of the Wild West. The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property.

You asked if they can, and the answer is yes. Look, it's the law.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html

Most states do not require the background checks. As such, you can legally buy a weapon without the ID.

I think it's perfectly fine that some sellers might go out of their way and do background checks before selling, but they're not obligated to.

[Th'Pusher]

From the information we have (which is clearly fluid), I don't see any sort of religious motivation making sense yet.
Fair and balanced checking in to appear not to be a cop sucking conservative :tu

[spurraider21]

Fair and balanced checking in to appear not to be a cop sucking conservative :tu
i call things as i see it. i'm sorry that's problematic for you.

[Th'Pusher]

i call things as i see it. i'm sorry that's problematic for you.
Right. Fair and balanced :tu

[TheSanityAnnex]

So they can come over on a tourist visa and arm themselves via private gun sale from their american compatriots legally. Nice.
Your plan on how to stop that?

[spurraider21]

Right. Fair and balanced :cry

[TheSanityAnnex]

So the dude appears to be Muslim, or at least an Arab.

At glance it might seem appropriate & easy to connect that to Fundamentalism, but I believe given what I stated before that it will prove to be not what it appears to be at a glance. Why he/they shot that particular place up will reveal itself as we know more, but I don't believe the line of reasoning in this thread by some because it has no precedent. Terrorist acts are never at random places. They're either in high traffic places (ie Paris) and/or specifically targeted places (ie synagogue, Charlie headquarters).
Where do I get my copy of the Terrorist rules and regulations?

[Clipper Nation]

This is radical Islamic terrorism on our soil... period, end of story.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Gun shows aren't the Wild West you think they are.
You asked if they can, and the answer is yes. Look, it's the law.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html

Most states do not require the background checks. As such, you can legally buy a weapon without the ID.

I think it's perfectly fine that some sellers might go out of their way and do background checks before selling, but they're not obligated to.
Even in states that do not require background checks of private vendors, the venue hosting the event may require it as a matter of policy. In other cases, private vendors may opt to have a third-party licensed dealer run a background check even though it may not be required by law.

[Th'Pusher]

Your plan on how to stop that?
Tighten up tourist visas. Require private sales of firearms to pass b/g checks.

[Th'Pusher]

Gun shows aren't the Wild West you think they are.
Even in states that do not require background checks of private vendors, the venue hosting the event may require it as a matter of policy. In other cases, private vendors may opt to have a third-party licensed dealer run a background check even though it may not be required by law.



Why should it be option. Require it by law.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't have a Facebook anymore, any of you fags still on there check to see if he had a Facebook page and if so has it been wiped clean?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why should it be option. Require it by law.
I'd be fine with that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Tighten up tourist visas. Require private sales of firearms to pass b/g checks.

I agree with both. ETA: private sales here in CA already require background check

[clambake]

sup

very crafty......posting during your celebration

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Tighten up tourist visas. Require private sales of firearms to pass b/g checks.

limiting visas from Islamic countries?

[ChumpDumper]

So where did this suspect work?

As I said, I wouldn't doubt almost any angle at this point.

[Th'Pusher]

limiting visas from Islamic countries?
The proposals I've heard seem to require additional scrutiny for people request ion tourist visas if they've traveled to Iraq or Syria in the last 5 years. Obviously there are issues with that, but that's what's on the congressional table at the moment.

[ChumpDumper]

The shooting occurred at around 11 a.m. at a conference room at the Inland Regional Center, which provides services to people with developmental disabilities, officials said.

The president and CEO of the social services center told The Associated Press that the conference area was rented out by the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health.

A person named Syed Farook is also listed in records as being an inspector for the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health, going back at least as far as mid-2014.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/man-believed-be-linked-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-identified-n473201

I now think every theory could be correct.

[ElNono]

Gun shows aren't the Wild West you think they are.
Even in states that do not require background checks of private vendors, the venue hosting the event may require it as a matter of policy. In other cases, private vendors may opt to have a third-party licensed dealer run a background check even though it may not be required by law.


That's exactly what I said. I didn't call them the Wild West.

You asked if a legal tourist can acquire guns legally, and the answer is yes.

Even if only 4% of sales go to unidentified people (from the excerpt you posted) that means that yes, it's perfectly legal to buy the guns without ID and a background check, including legal tourists.

[Th'Pusher]

So where did this suspect work?

As I said, I wouldn't doubt almost any angle at this point.
I've heard he worked for the company that was holding a conference in the room he shot up. Info still fluid.

[Clipper Nation]

"He's Muslim" is now a trending topic on Twitter. Libcuck narratives getting BTFO.

[Th'Pusher]

That's exactly what I said. I didn't call them the Wild West.

You asked if a legal tourist can acquire guns legally, and the answer is yes.

Even if only 4% of sales go to unidentified people (from the excerpt you posted) that means that yes, it's perfectly legal to buy the guns without ID and a background check, including legal tourists.
Or illegal immigrants, or legal refugees tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

I've heard he worked for the company that was holding a conference in the room he shot up. Info still fluid.
i heard it was the cops fault

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/man-believed-be-linked-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-identified-n473201

I now think every theory could be correct.
Owner of the building also said conference room was only unsecure room

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's exactly what I said. I didn't call them the Wild West.

You asked if a legal tourist can acquire guns legally, and the answer is yes.

Even if only 4% of sales go to unidentified people (from the excerpt you posted) that means that yes, it's perfectly legal to buy the guns without ID and a background check, including legal tourists.
:bobo

[ChumpDumper]

Owner of the building also said conference room was only unsecure roomGoes with the workplace angle then.

[Th'Pusher]

i heard it was the cops fault

That's ridiculous. I've no doubt you'd consume a guilty cop's cock whole given the chance though, tbh.

[spurraider21]

:cry

[TheSanityAnnex]

Goes with the workplace angle then.
It can't be both?

[ChumpDumper]

It can't be both?I just said it looks like both, dear.

[Th'Pusher]

Spurraider, the fact that you blow the big blue doesn't make me cry, it just makes me think you're going to be a shitty lawyer.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I just said it looks like both, dear.

So salty.

[ChumpDumper]

So salty.I'm just explaining simple things to you.

Do you understand now or do you need more help?

[spurraider21]

Spurraider, the fact that you blow the big blue doesn't make me cry, it just makes me think you're going to be a shitty lawyer.
you can't even come to grips with the fact that i have repeatedly condemned wrongdoings by officers, because it doesn't go with your "you always blindly support cops" narrative

[DMX7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVREfv1WUAAk93_.jpg

[Th'Pusher]

you can't even come to grips with the fact that i have repeatedly condemned wrongdoings by officers, because it doesn't go with your "you always blindly support cops" narrative
Sure I can. When the evidence is so overwhelming that the police are at fault, you'll condemn the police. In all other situations you side with the police.

[spurraider21]

Sure I can. When the evidence is so overwhelming that the police are at fault, you'll condemn the police. In all other situations you side with the police.
whether its police case or any case, i just dont assume guilt without evidence. i'm sorry that offends you

[ChumpDumper]

So the pipe bomb was fake?

Which narrative does that fit?

[spurraider21]

the pipe bombs were fake?

edit: yeah, just read that the presumed pipe bombs were not found to be explosive. eerie

[ChumpDumper]

the pipe bombs were fake?The one at the scene was.

Meredith Davis, a spokeswoman with ATF, told KCAL9-TV the two suspects who died in a shootout with police after the mass killing in California were each armed with a long gun and a handgun.

They were wearing tactical-style clothing that was "loaded with magazines for a gunfight," she said Wednesday.

Davis said the suspects also threw a thick-gauge copper pipe out of the SUV, but no explosives were found inside.

The fake pipe bomb was equipped with a piece of material made to look like a wick.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/san-bernardino-shooting-timeline-how-it-all-happened-1.11185297

I also read no explosives were found at the home. Looking for that again.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

I don't have a Facebook anymore, any of you fags still on there check to see if he had a Facebook page and if so has it been wiped clean?

http://i.imgur.com/vlEKo5h.jpg

[spurraider21]

that account says he lives in pakistan

[Spurminator]

What got him on the list in your hypothetical?

I don't know what gets people onto the list. Since you suggested we scrub the list of everyone who doesn't have known ties to terrorism, I assume you feel these people are trustworthy enough to own guns.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't know what gets people onto the list. Since you suggested we scrub the list of everyone who doesn't have known ties to terrorism, I assume you feel these people are trustworthy enough to own guns.
After a thorough background check sure.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The one at the scene was.


http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/san-bernardino-shooting-timeline-how-it-all-happened-1.11185297

I also read no explosives were found at the home. Looking for that again.
Heard on the scanner 3 detonated so far. Doesn't mean they were actual bombs though EOD could have just blown shit up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Shit CNN and Fox are unwatchable right now with CNN taking the cake. You guys have any decent stations covering this besides CNN or Fox?

[MultiTroll]

that account says he lives in pakistan
Is it the correct Farook Saeed?
Does he list ChumpDumper as one of his friends?

[ChumpDumper]

Shit CNN and Fox are unwatchable right now with CNN taking the cake. You guys have any decent stations covering this besides CNN or Fox?Watching the game on DVR right now. Was watching KTLA, KCAL and KABC earlier.

[ChumpDumper]

Is it the correct Farook Saeed?
Does he list ChumpDumper as one of his friends?Rent free.

[MultiTroll]

Rent free.
:lol Rumpy thinking his tired out "rent free" is edgy.
Now jump!

[ChumpDumper]

Now jump!lol edgy

[TheSanityAnnex]

Now being reported no disagreement at party per witnesses

[TheSanityAnnex]

This thing is all over the place. 2nd suspect (dead) name redacted. I'm out for the night.

[Clipper Nation]

672236093589348354

:lmao Dumb libcucks

[mingus]

Where do I get my copy of the Terrorist rules and regulations?

I don't get why you are spouting off on this "copy".

I get it, you believe terrorists can/will target any place. I happen to believe based on past occurrences they narrow down massacres to location having criteria I mentioned before: maximize casualties and/or specific targets like synagogues, Charlie Hebdo etc (places they view as opposing to their extremist beliefs).

If it happens that he/they did this for purely religious purposes, then that is where I would expect a terrorist act to place. If it is more to it than that, then I would expect a different scenario which isn't the norm.

After hearing he's Muslim and some other reports it could be that you are right and that I'm wrong (I've no issues admitting this--I'm wrong a lot in life on a lot of shit). It's a possibility I didn't give much consideration considering precedent, but it's looking like that is a significant or way more likely than it was before scenario.

It's still a fluid situation so we'll learn more. Whatever the case may be, whatever the agenda was, I'm always dumbfounded to find out that these mass shooters usually always get through the cracks because people around them generally don't report to authorities suspicious behavior, or aren't payingenough attention or just don't give a shit (whether it's terroristic or mental issues). These crazies come into contact with people daily, they've gotta show some signs of potential for extreme violence it would seem to me.

[InRareForm]

Now being reported no disagreement at party per witnesses

The LA Times first reported that there was a disagreement.

[spurraider21]

apparently there is a disagreement as to whether or not there was a disagreement

[RD2191]

apparently there is a disagreement as to whether or not there was a disagreement
I disagree

[spurraider21]

I disagree
:pctoss

[Splits]

Well-sourced LAT article here: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-syed-farook-had-traveled-to-saudi-arabia-married-appeared-to-live-american-dream-co-workers-say-20151202-story.html


San Bernardino shooting suspect traveled to Saudi Arabia, was married, appeared to be living 'American Dream,' co-workers say

As the holiday gathering got underway Wednesday morning, Syed Farook joined dozens of his colleagues from San Bernardino County’s Public Health Department. Farook seemed quiet during the early hours of the event, then vanished just as a group photo was about to be taken.


Shorty afterward, gunfire erupted at the Inland Regional Center where the employees filled a conference room. Within hours, law enforcement sources identified a man named Syed Farook as a suspect in the massacre and said he was shot to death in a gun battle with officers.


Police officials released little information about the suspects, including where they worked. And the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case was ongoing, did not provide any details about the suspect other than his name.


Co-workers told The Times that they were shocked to hear Farook’s name linked to the shooting. Two health department employees who were in the bathroom when the bullets began to fly said Farook was quiet and polite, with no obvious grudges.


They said Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a new wife he met online. The couple had a baby and appeared to be “living the American dream,” said Patrick Baccari, a food inspector who shared a cubicle with Farook.


Baccari and Christian Nwadike said Farook, who worked with them as a health inspector for about three years, rarely started a conversation. But the tall, thin, young man with a full beard was well-liked and spent much of his time out in the field.


They and other colleagues said Farook was a devout Muslim, but rarely discussed religion at work.


“He never struck me as a fanatic, he never struck me as suspicious,” said Griselda Reisinger, who worked with Farook before leaving the agency in May.


Reisinger said she heard that the office had recently held a baby shower for Farook and that he had taken paternity leave.


Wednesday night, Farhan Khan, who said he was a brother-in-law of Farook, said he had known Farook for much of his life and last saw him a week ago.


“I cannot express how sad I am,” he said during a brief statement at an Islamic center in Anaheim. “I have no idea why he would do that…. I am in shock that something like this would happen. … My condolences to the people who lost their life.”


Baccari said he was about to dry his hands in the bathroom when bullets ripped into the towel dispenser, sending shrapnel into his face and blood spilling into his eyes. The rounds pocked the walls as he dove for cover onto the floor. He and another man pushed the door closed with their legs and waited for police arrive.


Later, Baccari remembered his co-worker disappearing before the photo session.


“Where’s Syed?” he recalled someone asking.

[ChumpDumper]

Local news profile:

http://www.pe.com/articles/farook-788099-syed-bernardino.html

Of note:

Police are investigating whether any accomplices involved but at this point they believe there were only two shooters.

[boutons_deux]

map of all the mass shootings in 2015

According to the tracker’s data, the San Bernardino incident represents the 355th shooting this year, the Washington Post reported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/02/the-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-is-the-second-today-and-the-355th-this-year/). The incident in San Bernardino also overshadowed another shooting in Savannah, Georgia that occurred the same day, (http://savannahnow.com/crime/2015-01-02/police-1-dead-4-injured-overnight-savannah-shooting#) claiming one life and injuring three others.

However, there’s not a standard definition of “mass shooting.” Adam Lankford, a criminal justice professor at the University of Alabama previously told the NewsHour (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/one-mass-shooting-happens-per-day-u-s-data-shows/) that FBI’s data included incidents where fewer than four people were shot and didn’t include shootings of multiple people that occur in a home or other uncrowded setting.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/

[DarrinS]

I wonder what his employer did to inspire this workplace violence?

[RD2191]

I wonder what his employer did to inspire this workplace violence?
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if he was being harassed by a couple of jackasses. Dude probably flipped and went apeshit after some racist joke/comment or something of the like.

[DarrinS]

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if he was being harassed by a couple of jackasses. Dude probably flipped and went apeshit after some racist joke/comment or something of the like.


People don't understand how hurtful those microagressions can be.

[boutons_deux]

Fox/Repug/Christian Taliban War-on-Wimmen news

Fox News doctor ties San Bernardino shooting to ‘the state of feminism’ — and Benghazi

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/fox-news-doctor-ties-san-bernardino-shooting-to-the-state-of-feminism-and-benghazi/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Benghazi? Hillary's sort of a feminist

[baseline bum]

Gotta say I'm extremely surprised to hear this faggot was a devout muslim.

[pgardn]

So does the gun "control" narrative become more important now that Muslims in the US procured guns for a workplace attack?

If the above remains relevant, and strikes the publics eye, the way various groups portray the lessons to be learned will be interesting.

[101A]

How much gun control do they have in France?

[boutons_deux]

How much gun control do they have in France?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#France

but EC now has open borders, so countries with lax gun control can provide guns to countries with strong gun control, analogous to slave,red states supplying guns to states, cities with strong gun control.

[boutons_deux]

How much gun control do they have in France?

How many mass murders by gun, how many any murders by gun in France vs USA?

[tlongII]

Looking more and more like radical Islamic terrorism.

[MultiTroll]

"left multiple pipe bombs and other explosive devices at various sites"

[101A]

How many mass murders by gun, how many any murders by gun in France vs USA?

Haven't looked at the stats, but are you more dead when you're killed by a gun?

[DarrinS]

.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't get why you are spouting off on this "copy".

I get it, you believe terrorists can/will target any place. I happen to believe based on past occurrences they narrow down massacres to location having criteria I mentioned before: maximize casualties and/or specific targets like synagogues, Charlie Hebdo etc (places they view as opposing to their extremist beliefs).

If it happens that he/they did this for purely religious purposes, then that is where I would expect a terrorist act to place. If it is more to it than that, then I would expect a different scenario which isn't the norm.

After hearing he's Muslim and some other reports it could be that you are right and that I'm wrong (I've no issues admitting this--I'm wrong a lot in life on a lot of shit). It's a possibility I didn't give much consideration considering precedent, but it's looking like that is a significant or way more likely than it was before scenario.

It's still a fluid situation so we'll learn more. Whatever the case may be, whatever the agenda was, I'm always dumbfounded to find out that these mass shooters usually always get through the cracks because people around them generally don't report to authorities suspicious behavior, or aren't payingenough attention or just don't give a shit (whether it's terroristic or mental issues). These crazies come into contact with people daily, they've gotta show some signs of potential for extreme violence it would seem to me.

We don't know if it was terrorism yet, but I just find it funny that people think terrorists have to follow some sort of playbook when it comes to carrying out an attack. ISIS doesn't follow any rules and encourages cells to act independently and think outside the box.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Local news profile:

http://www.pe.com/articles/farook-788099-syed-bernardino.html

Of note:

Not sure if you were listening to the scanner but I'm really curious what happened to the guy in the orange shirt and camo pants they saw running from the SUV that they talked about for an hour or so. Think this was when they had the church surrounded.

[ChumpDumper]

Not sure if you were listening to the scanner but I'm really curious what happened to the guy in the orange shirt and camo pants they saw running from the SUV that they talked about for an hour or so. Think this was when they had the church surrounded.I was listening. Considering it was a residential neighborhood, it could have just been a guy running home after seeing a terrifying gun battle in the street. That's the impression I get from the accounts that mention him.

[TheSanityAnnex]

map of all the mass shootings in 2015

According to the tracker’s data, the San Bernardino incident represents the 355th shooting this year, the Washington Post reported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/02/the-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-is-the-second-today-and-the-355th-this-year/). The incident in San Bernardino also overshadowed another shooting in Savannah, Georgia that occurred the same day, (http://savannahnow.com/crime/2015-01-02/police-1-dead-4-injured-overnight-savannah-shooting#) claiming one life and injuring three others.

However, there’s not a standard definition of “mass shooting.” Adam Lankford, a criminal justice professor at the University of Alabama previously told the NewsHour (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/one-mass-shooting-happens-per-day-u-s-data-shows/) that FBI’s data included incidents where fewer than four people were shot and didn’t include shootings of multiple people that occur in a home or other uncrowded setting.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/




When people hear "mass shooting" they think of Sandy Hook, they don't think of a drive-by in Chicago which a lot of these on the map are. Not saying one is worse than the other because all shootings are bad but there is a difference that should be distinguished.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I was listening. Considering it was a residential neighborhood, it could have just been a guy running home after seeing a terrifying gun battle in the street. That's the impression I get from the accounts that mention him.

Very possible it could have been. With all the people listening to scanners these days I just wish they'd clear things up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So does the gun "control" narrative become more important now that Muslims in the US procured guns for a workplace attack?

If the above remains relevant, and strikes the publics eye, the way various groups portray the lessons to be learned will be interesting.

Sounds like they obtained them legally so no it does not become more important because they were Muslim, unless they were flagged before which doesn't seem to be the case. And I don't know how they can push more gun control when CA has some of the strictest in the Country.

[TheSanityAnnex]

How many mass murders by gun, how many any murders by gun in France vs USA?Someone on CNN this morning said France is ahead of us on mass murder deaths this year.

[ChumpDumper]

Someone on CNN this morning said France is ahead of us on mass murder deaths this year.
I guess if you want to consider the Paris attacks the norm for them. It's not like a mass shooting happens every day there.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I guess if you want to consider the Paris attacks the norm for them. It's not like a mass shooting happens every day there.

More dead is more dead no matter how you slice it.

[ChumpDumper]

More dead is more dead no matter how you slice it.
That's like saying 3000 people die from terrorist attacks in the US every year because 2001.

More dead is more dead no matter how you slice it.

It's amazing how disingenuous you get in any conversation remotely involving guns.

[TheSanityAnnex]

maybe they weren't all legal. In CA a private transfer still has to go through an FFL.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-mass-shooting-profile/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-mass-shooting-profile/)

The attackers were "dressed in dark, kind of tactical gear," San Bernardino police Chief Jarrod Burguan said. They carried rifles and semi-automatic handguns.

Two handguns recovered have been traced back to Farook. He purchased them legally three or four years ago, an official said. Two rifles were purchased by someone else, possibly a former roommate, also legally three or four years ago. Officials said they don't think that person had anything to do with the shooting.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's like saying 3000 people die from terrorist attacks in the US every year because 2001.

More dead is more dead no matter how you slice it.

It's amazing how disingenuous you get in any conversation remotely involving guns. The numbers don't lie.

[ChumpDumper]

The numbers don't lie.Do you consider this a normal year for mass shootings in France?

Yes or no.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Do you consider this a normal year for mass shootings in France?

Yes or no.

No. But that wasn't what boutons question was though was it.

[ChumpDumper]

No.Thank you.

[baseline bum]

The Democrats really need to back off trying to bring Syrian refugees into this country.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, these guy had 1600 rounds of ammo on them and in the SUV.

Got off 78 shots. Cops shot ~380 times if I heard correctly.

[InRareForm]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.htmlSo this is Fort Hood with a wife.

So weird.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Thank you.

You are welcome. Was that what boutons question was though?

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Okay so terrorist attack it is. Surprised CNN reported it this early as they were pushing workplace violent hard last night. Thankfully those bombs weren't used.

[ChumpDumper]

The Democrats really need to back off trying to bring Syrian refugees into this country.Dude was born in the US.

[ChumpDumper]

Okay so terrorist attack it is. Surprised CNN reported it this early as they were pushing workplace violent hard last night. Thankfully those bombs weren't used.Depends on the definition of terrorism. I go with the FBI's definition and they still won't say one way of the other.

[baseline bum]

Dude was born in the US.

And he's Islamic.

[ChumpDumper]

And he's Islamic.And? There are three million more already here.

What do you want done about them?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Christian religious leaders have had to do away with literalism to minister to their followers with the rise of rationalism in the renaissance. Belief in the two systems is not equitable despite both religious texts explicitly stating for literal interpretations. This notion that muslims are just like christians is false because of this dynamic.

Islam doesn't have that problem so it's followers are not able to mince meaning when push comes to shove in social circumstances. The Shia is very specific on how to handle conflict and disputes and violent reprisal is part of the package particularly when dealing with infidels. It's very difficult for US muslims to be devout and nonviolent in the face of US military and foreign policy over the past 30 years.

The religion is tailor made to deal with invaders from the West.

[boutons_deux]

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

SAN BERNARDINO, CA—In the hours following a violent rampage in southern California in which two attackers killed 14 individuals and seriously injured 17 others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place.

“This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Michigan resident Emily Harrington, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations.

“It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep these individuals from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.”

At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past six and a half years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-51938

[baseline bum]

And? There are three million more already here.

What do you want done about them?

Can't do shit about them, I don't want more.

[ChumpDumper]

Can't do shit about them, I don't want more.Good for you.

[baseline bum]

Good for you.

Islam is a fucked up religion, there is no reason we should be trying to become a sanctuary for more people who believe this stupid shit.

[ChumpDumper]

Islam is a fucked up religion, there is no reason we should be trying to become a sanctuary for more people who believe this stupid shit.You are entitled to your opinion.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Can't do shit about them, I don't want more.

Same boat I'm in.

Deal with the one's here that are radicalized or radicalizing, no reason to bring any more possible one's in.

[tlongII]

Islam is a fucked up religion, there is no reason we should be trying to become a sanctuary for more people who believe this stupid shit.

Agreed.

[ChumpDumper]

Same boat I'm in.

Deal with the one's here that are radicalized or radicalizing, no reason to bring any more possible one's in.

How are you going to deal with them? How do you even know they are being radicalized?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Depends on the definition of terrorism. I go with the FBI's definition and they still won't say one way of the other.

They are Obama's mouthpiece of course they aren't saying one way or another yet.

[ChumpDumper]

They are Obama's mouthpiece of course they aren't saying one way or another yet.Conspiracy!

[TheSanityAnnex]

How are you going to deal with them? How do you even know they are being radicalized?

I'll leave that up to the FBI, CIA, NSA etc

[ChumpDumper]

I'll leave that up to the FBI, CIA, NSA etcObama's mouthpieces?

Pick a lane.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Conspiracy!

You don't think they have to wait for the okay from the President?

[ChumpDumper]

You don't think they have to wait for the okay from the President?Conspiracy!

No, I don't believe your conspiracy theory.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Obama's mouthpieces?

Pick a lane.
You are all over the place. What does tracking them have to do with being a mouthpiece?

[ChumpDumper]

You are all over the place. What does tracking them have to do with being a mouthpiece?It's your conspiracy theory that's all over the place -- you tell me.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Conspiracy!

No, I don't believe your conspiracy theory.

You also believe this was workplace violence so your opinion doesn't hold much weight with me.

[ChumpDumper]

You also believe this was workplace violence so your opinion doesn't hold much weight with me.It was at the workplace and it was violence. I believe it could be terrorism as well. They aren't mutually exclusive, dear.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Islam is a fucked up religion, there is no reason we should be trying to become a sanctuary for more people who believe this stupid shit.

Christianity is a fucked up religion too. Only reason why we don't have a lot more Planned Parenthood style attacks is because most people in their heart of hearts don't really believe that God gave moses the commandments or directed the levites in their laws enough to act on it in any meaningful way. Those that do can rationalize shooting up a building just as easy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Any news on the GoPro's that were mentioned in last night's presser?

[ChumpDumper]

Any news on the GoPro's that were mentioned in last night's presser?No evidence of them per the police chief.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It was at the workplace and it was violence. I believe it could be terrorism as well. They aren't mutually exclusive, dear.

This is funny to me. It still doesn't get it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It was at the workplace and it was violence. I believe it could be terrorism as well. They aren't mutually exclusive, dear.

And the Paris attack was violence against rock and roll

[ChumpDumper]

And the Paris attack was violence against rock and rollIs that an official crime classification, TSA?

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

This is funny to me. It still doesn't get it.Assault type weapons were involved. He's understandably on high message board alert.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No evidence of them per the police chief.

Wonder why the police chief even mentioned them last night.

[DarrinS]

It was at the workplace and it was violence. I believe it could be terrorism as well. They aren't mutually exclusive, dear.

Yeah, there's a tiny chance it could be terrorism.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Assault type weapons were involved. He's understandably on high message board alert.

Alert for what? Outside of outright confiscation here in California I've got enough to pass down to my family for generations.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, there's a tiny chance it could be terrorism.What is your definition of terrorism, Darrin?

I don't expect you to answer.

[ChumpDumper]

Alert for what? Outside of outright confiscation here in California I've got enough to pass down to my family for generations.You just get super defensive and say stuff like you have enough to pass down to your family for generations.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You just get super defensive and say stuff like you have enough to pass down to your family for generations.

You are the one who said I was on alert so I responded. Before that I hadn't mentioned once anything about new gun laws in California.

[ChumpDumper]

You are the one who said I was on alert so I responded. Before that I hadn't mentioned once anything about new gun laws in California.Just your general demeanor in threads like these. Defensiveness, extreme disingenuousness, etc.

[baseline bum]

You are entitled to your opinion.

It doesn't enjoy much support among the American public either. Do you disagree with my initial post, that I don't want the Democrats backing this? This is the kind of thing that's going to swing voters into going for someone like Trump in a general election, and what a disaster it will be having a veto-proof House if Hillary blows the election because of PC crap about Islam.

[baseline bum]

Christianity is a fucked up religion too. Only reason why we don't have a lot more Planned Parenthood style attacks is because most people in their heart of hearts don't really believe that God gave moses the commandments or directed the levites in their laws enough to act on it in any meaningful way. Those that do can rationalize shooting up a building just as easy.

I agree Christianity is a horrifying religion and I'm glad most Christians don't believe it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Too bad one wasn't taken alive so we could see what the real plan was for all the bombs and ammo.

[ChumpDumper]

It doesn't enjoy much support among the American public either. Do you disagree with my initial post, that I don't want the Democrats backing this? This is the kind of thing that's going to swing voters into going for someone like Trump in a general election, and what a disaster it will be having a veto-proof House if Hillary blows the election because of PC crap about Islam.I haven't seen the numbers for independents. I'm sure the US will chicken out though. It's what we do.

[ChumpDumper]

Too bad one wasn't taken alive so we could see what the real plan was for all the bombs and ammo.We're just lucky most people who do this stuff are pretty stupid about it.