Active shooter San Bernardino, CA

[TheSanityAnnex]

some guy got a screengrab of the list of items seized including GoPro packages

http://s238.photobucket.com/user/mason1251/media/Capture_zpsxsdk77lt.jpg.html

[MultiTroll]

How long do you figure that snatch Tashfeen and her cuck had been planning this / under brainwashed control?

[spurraider21]

government clearly just trying to cover this up. get the place intentionally contamianted

[TheSanityAnnex]

government clearly just trying to cover this up. get the place intentionally contamianted

lol beat you by 2 hours


media should have been escorted away by law enforcement as well.

< tinfoil hat> evidence has been contaminated no link to terrorism <tinfoil hat>

[spurraider21]

:lol nice

[ColinB]

The MSNBC video of the reporter walking around the house is beyond fucked.

[RD2191]

Who the fuck is this stupid bitch asking questions on CNN? What a stupid ****.

[Blake]

The MSNBC video of the reporter walking around the house is beyond fucked.

No shit. You'd think it'd be taped off

[TheSanityAnnex]

The MSNBC video of the reporter walking around the house is beyond fucked.
Motherfucker grabbed a Popsicle out of the freezer :lol

[RD2191]

Motherfucker grabbed a Popsicle out of the freezer :lol
:lmao

[DarrinS]

Farouk family attorneys are super sleazy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Farouk family attorneys are super sleazy

That type of sophist stupidity is what I see from you in how you operate. Now you know how I feel talking to you.

[DarrinS]

That type of sophist stupidity is what I see from you in how you operate. Now you know how I feel talking to you.

Piss off, stalker

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Piss off, stalker

no and I started posting here before you. i'm going to post in this forum. eat a dick.

and Im not kidding either what that lawyer is doing and what you do routinely in climate threads is the same thing: sophistry.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you would like we can compare and contrast quotes from you from the climate threads with your mitigation and alarmist platitudes and the shit I've heard form the lawyer. "We cannot be certain" "There is no indication why this would be."

You two are peas in a pod.

[SpursforSix]

Who the fuck is this stupid bitch asking questions on CNN? What a stupid ****.

Is it Lisa Leslie?

[RD2191]

Is it Lisa Leslie?
:lmao

[DarrinS]

This message is hidden because FuzzyLumpkins is on your ignore list.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is it Lisa Leslie?

Another thing I have done is looked up the psychology of people that do the multi-persona trolling and their motivations, fears, and the like. There is quite a bit of literature being written as people are finding people that do that to be problematic. Reading some of the sociopathic shit I've read I can understand why.

I definitely now think I understand your motivations, fears, and the like now. You are typical in a lot of ways.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I actually like it when they put me on ignore. That way I don't have to go round and round and my rebuttals don't get distorted by the stupidity. I'm not kidding when I say it's not for your sake or for the response.

[TeyshaBlue]

I actually like it when they put me on ignore. That way I don't have to go round and round and my rebuttals don't get distorted by the stupidity. I'm not kidding when I say it's not for your sake or for the response.
That's the primary reason I put myself on ignore, tbh.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This message is hidden because FuzzyLumpkins is on your ignore list.

As if I'm going to read this in real time pfffft

[TheSanityAnnex]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-4tfXkucyY/

not sure if dead farook but damn

[TheSanityAnnex]

https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12341189_929589390442869_1966517555837298701_n.jpg ?oh=4219783798e88e31a0c8dac4fdf5d3ee&oe=56E71806

[TheSanityAnnex]

Denial of what?

I said it was both workplace violence and terrorism earlier than you started your snark machine.
You still claiming workplace violence after witnesses said no argument at party or is it still workplace violence because the lawyer said Farook did this because people at work made fun of his beard?

[SupremeGuy]

Motherfucker grabbed a Popsicle out of the freezer :lol


Is it Lisa Leslie?:lol

[ChumpDumper]

You still claiming workplace violence after witnesses said no argument at party or is it still workplace violence because the lawyer said Farook did this because people at work made fun of his beard?It's workplace violence because it was violence at a work function. It is not exclusive of terrorism.

Are you asking this because you are stupid or because you are disingenuous and stupid?

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's workplace violence because it was violence at a work function. It is not exclusive of terrorism.

Are you asking this because you are stupid or because you are disingenuous and stupid?
Similar to cafe violence and concert violence?

[TheSanityAnnex]

some guy got a screengrab of the list of items seized including GoPro packages

http://s238.photobucket.com/user/mason1251/media/Capture_zpsxsdk77lt.jpg.html
Bumping this. SB Chief of police mentioned GoPros in his first presser that night, the backed away from it the next morning. I think they have the GoPros and the footage.

[ChumpDumper]

Similar to cafe violence and concert violence?Are those official classifications?

I asked you that yesterday and you shut up really quickly.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Are those official classifications?

I asked you that yesterday and you shut up really quickly.
Did the FBI officially classify this as workplace violence just because it happened at a workplace?

[ChumpDumper]

Did the FBI officially classify this as workplace violence just because it happened at a workplace?I don't know. It looks like it can fit more than one classification. It's not like they won't count as murders and assaults if it is classified as terrorism. Or do you think that's how it works?

I see you dodged my question again so I will ask again:

Are cafe violence and concert violence official crime classifications you have seen listed anywhere before, TSA?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Everyone still comfortable with the Syrian refugee process that officials admit they have little to no data to crosscheck against? DHS and FBI screened her


Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a “fiancé” visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner’s temporary entry before marriage. For the visa application, the address she listed in her Pakistani hometown, ABC News discovered today, does not exist. Malik received a her Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.


http://abcnews.go.com/International/female-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik/story?id=35589386

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone still comfortable with the Syrian refugee process that officials admit they have little to no data to crosscheck against? DHS and FBI screened her


Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a “fiancé” visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner’s temporary entry before marriage. For the visa application, the address she listed in her Pakistani hometown, ABC News discovered today, does not exist. Malik received a her Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.


http://abcnews.go.com/International/female-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik/story?id=35589386

I'm fine with it. More coming to Texas this week.

Are you afraid of the Syrian refugees, TSA?

Yes or no.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't know. It looks like it can fit more than one classification.

I see you dodged my question again so I will ask again:

Are those official crime classifications you have seen listed anywhere before, TSA?The FBI did not classify it as workplace violence why do you continue to do so?
Of course they aren't and it's just as ridiculous for you to continue to try and say it's workplace violence because it happened at a place of work.

[ChumpDumper]

The FBI did not classify it as workplace violence why do you continue to do so?Is there a list?

I'll look at it if you link it.


Of course they aren't and it's just as ridiculous for you to continue to try and say it's workplace violence because it happened at a place of work.How is it not workplace violence?

It's also a terrorist act.

Why are you so stupid to not understand it can be both?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm fine with it. More coming to Texas this week.

Are you afraid of the Syrian refugees, TSA?

Yes or no.
No. Still don't want them here.

What data will they cross reference when officials admitted they don't really have any beacause we don't have people on the ground there to gather information like we did in Iraq?

[ChumpDumper]

No. If your're not afraid then there is no problem.

I'm glad we settled this.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Is there a list?

I'll look at it if you link it.

How is it not workplace violence?

It's also a terrorist act.

Why are you so stupid to not understand it can be both?head in the sand

[ChumpDumper]

head in the sandHow is it not workplace violence, TSA?

[TheSanityAnnex]

If your're not afraid then there is no problem.

I'm glad we settled this.

So you are afraid of the Syrian refugees?

[TheSanityAnnex]

How is it not workplace violence, TSA?
The same way it's not cafe or concert violence

[ChumpDumper]

So you are afraid of the Syrian refugees?No, and neither are you. You said you aren't, so the mater is settled.


The same way it's not cafe or concert violenceWhy do you keep bringing up your imaginary classifications?


While agreeing on that broader definition of the
problem, specialists have also come to a consensus that workplace violence falls into
four broad categories. They are:

TYPE 1: Violent acts by criminals who have no other connection with the workplace,
but enter to commit robbery or another crime.

TYPE 2: Violence directed at employees by customers, clients, patients, students,
inmates, or any others for whom an organization provides services.

TYPE 3: Violence against coworkers, supervisors, or managers by a present or former
employee.

TYPE 4: Violence committed in the workplace by someone who doesn’t work there, but
has a personal relationship with an employee—an abusive spouse or domestic partner.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/workplace-violence/workplace-violence/at_download/file

Now TSA, does this incident meet the FBI's definition of workplace violence shown as Type 3?

Yes or no.

[MultiTroll]

head in the sand
Could you stop wasting time with Sophist RumpHumper for a moment and look at my thread regarding workplace conditions and how complaints were handled at the Center?

[ChumpDumper]

lol Flabbs doesn't even know what sophistry is.

[MultiTroll]

You too Rumpy, I agree with you it's both UnIslamic Radical terrorism and workplace violence in the same setting.

[MultiTroll]

lol Flabbs doesn't even know what sophistry is.
See above Rumps. This section of this thread is one time, granted, you are not being sophist.
Otherwise your schtikk is completely predictable.

See the work thread.

[vy65]

No, and neither are you. You said you aren't, so the mater is settled.

Why do you keep bringing up your imaginary classifications?

Now TSA, does this incident meet the FBI's definition of workplace violence shown as Type 3?

Yes or no.

WASHINGTON — The woman who, with her husband, killed 14 people in San Bernardino pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook post the day of the attack, officials said Friday, and the F.B.I. announced it was treating the massacre as an act of terrorism.



https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/workplace-violence/workplace-violence/at_download/file

Why isn't the FBI following their own definition of workplace violence?

[ChumpDumper]

Why isn't the FBI following their own definition of workplace violence?
Who says they aren't?

They are investigating it as an act of terrorism because it fits that definition. It also fits the definition of workplace violence.

Are you all really that stupid that you can't understand a crime can fit more than one definition?

[vy65]

Who says they aren't?

They are investigating it as an act of terrorism because it fits that definition. It also fits the definition of workplace violence.

Are you all really that stupid?

Then why hasn't the FBI classified it as an act of terrorism AND workplace violence?

Are you really this stupid?

[ChumpDumper]

Then why hasn't the FBI classified it as an act of terrorism AND workplace violence?Have they denied it fits the classification of workplace violence?

I'd like to see a link to that.


Are you really this stupid?Nope. I said it meets the definition of both. How does it not?

Explain your reasoning.

[vy65]

Have they denied it fits the classification of workplace violence?

I'd like to see a link to that.

Nope. I said it meets the definition of both. How does it not?

Explain your reasoning.

They also haven't denied it as an act of sexual violence, or racial violence, or an act of homophobia either.

You're claiming its workplace violence. It's your burden of proof, not mine.

You've seen what the NYT report how the FBI is treating this. Do you have any evidence from the FBI, OSHA, a lawyer, or anyone else that supports your take?

[vy65]

Again, since they're not mutually exclusive, why hasn't the FBI come out and said its treating this as workplace violence and terrorism?

[ChumpDumper]

They also haven't denied it as an act of sexual violence, or racial violence, or an act of homophobia either.It doesn't fit any of those definitions. It does fit the FBI's definition of workplace violence.

Also terrorism.


You're claiming its workplace violence. It's your burden of proof, not mine.Already proved.


You've seen what the NYT report how the FBI is treating this. Do you have any evidence from the FBI, OSHA, a lawyer, or anyone else that supports your take?I know how the FBI is treating this.

How does that change the definition of workplace violence?

Explain your reasoning.

[ChumpDumper]

Again, since they're not mutually exclusive, why hasn't the FBI come out and said its treating this as workplace violence and terrorism?How are they not treating this as workplace violence and terrorism?

If they are not mutually exclusive, the methods for working the case aren't mutually exclusive either.

[DarrinS]

Very obedient wife to go along with his workplace revenge plot (right after announcing her loyalty to ISIS).

[vy65]

It doesn't fit any of those definitions. It does fit the FBI's definition of workplace violence.

Also terrorism.

Already proved.

I know how the FBI is treating this.

How does that change the definition of workplace violence?

Explain your reasoning.

Still haven't answered the question. Try again.

If it fits the FBI definition of workplace violence, why didn't the FBI announce it was treating it as such when it announced it was treating it as terrorism?

[ChumpDumper]

Very obedient wife to go along with his workplace revenge plot (right after announcing her loyalty to ISIS).Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[vy65]

How are they not treating this as workplace violence and terrorism?

If they are not mutually exclusive, the methods for working the case aren't mutually exclusive either.

Because they didn't announce they were treating it as workplace violence.

If they were following your interpretation, why didn't they announce that today when they called it terrorism? Seems like a golden opportunity.

[vy65]

Apparently, when the FBI investigates workplace violence, it calls it terrorism.

Good thing these are the folks screening those Syrian refugees, amirite?

[ChumpDumper]

Still haven't answered the question. Try again.

If it fits the FBI definition of workplace violence, why didn't the FBI announce it was treating it as such when it announced it was treating it as terrorism?Why would they need to announce it that way?

For you to win an internet argument?

I will ask you the question TSA ran away from.


While agreeing on that broader definition of the
problem, specialists have also come to a consensus that workplace violence falls into
four broad categories. They are:

TYPE 1: Violent acts by criminals who have no other connection with the workplace,
but enter to commit robbery or another crime.

TYPE 2: Violence directed at employees by customers, clients, patients, students,
inmates, or any others for whom an organization provides services.

TYPE 3: Violence against coworkers, supervisors, or managers by a present or former
employee.

TYPE 4: Violence committed in the workplace by someone who doesn’t work there, but
has a personal relationship with an employee—an abusive spouse or domestic partner.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/workplace-violence/workplace-violence/at_download/file

Now vy65, does this incident meet the FBI's definition of workplace violence shown as Type 3?

Yes or no.

[DarrinS]

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

It was an act of terrorism that happened at his workplace.

[ChumpDumper]

Apparently, when the FBI investigates workplace violence, it calls it terrorism.If you have a problem with the FBI's definitions, take it up with them. I'm sure they would love to hear from you.


Good thing these are the folks screening those Syrian refugees, amirite?Are you afraid of those Syrian refugees?

[ChumpDumper]

It was an act of terrorism that happened at his workplace.You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

You're trying too hard, chumpy.

[ChumpDumper]

You're trying too hard, chumpy.You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?


It's OBVIOUSLY an act of terrorism. Why are you arguing so hard for the workplace violence angle?

[ChumpDumper]

It's OBVIOUSLY an act of terrorism. Why are you arguing so hard for the workplace violence angle?You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[vy65]

Why would they need to announce it that way?

For you to win an internet argument?

I will ask you the question TSA ran away from.



https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/workplace-violence/workplace-violence/at_download/file

Now vy65, does this incident meet the FBI's definition of workplace violence shown as Type 3?

Yes or no.

We've seen your quote plenty of times.

Again, answer the question: why didn't the FBI announce it was treating it as workplace violence today when they announced it was treating the shooting as terrorism?

[vy65]

It's really a simple question, why are you running away from this?

The FBI announced how it was classifyng the shooting today. It's treating it as terrorism. Why didn't they mention workplace violence since its in their own definition, right?

[ChumpDumper]

We've seen your quote plenty of times.And you won't answer it.


Again, answer the question: why didn't the FBI announce it was treating it as workplace violence today when they announced it was treating the shooting as terrorism?There is no need to announce it like that.

Now answer my question.

[ChumpDumper]

It's really a simple question, why are you running away from this?

The FBI announced how it was classifyng the shooting today. It's treating it as terrorism. Why didn't they mention workplace violence since its in their own definition, right?There is no need to announce it like that.

Now answer my question.

[vy65]

And you won't answer it.

There is no need to announce it like that.

Now answer my question.

If it's a textbook example of workplace violence, why didn't the FBI say so today?

Why can't you answer that question?

[ChumpDumper]

It's OBVIOUSLY an act of terrorism. Why are you arguing so hard for the workplace violence angle?You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[vy65]

There is no need to announce it like that.

Now answer my question.

What does that mean?

[ChumpDumper]

If it's a textbook example of workplace violence, why didn't the FBI say so today?

Why can't you answer that question?There was no uncertainty it was workplace violence. There was previously uncertainty it was an act of terrorism.

Pretty simple.

[ChumpDumper]

What does that mean?There was no uncertainty it was workplace violence. There was previously uncertainty it was an act of terrorism.

Pretty simple.

[vy65]

There was no uncertainty it was workplace violence. There was previously uncertainty it was an act of terrorism.

Pretty simple.

And you're getting that from which FBI spokesman? Or did you just make that up?

[ChumpDumper]

And you're getting that from which FBI spokesman? Or did you just make that up?No, all along they were saying they were trying to figure out if this was just a case of workplace violence or if it was also terrorism.

Pretty simple.

I don't know why you all are getting so worked up over really clear definitions.

Are you having trouble understanding the definitions?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Any report of a motive beyond the woman pledging to ISIS on facebook yet? I get labels are important for posterity and why you guys jockey over it but any word on something real?

[ChumpDumper]

Any report of a motive beyond the woman pledging to ISIS on facebook yet? I get labels are important for posterity and why you guys jockey over it but any word on something real?From what I've seen there is no indication they got marching orders from anyone, but since they screwed up most of their computers, etc., who knows how long recovering everything could take?

[vy65]

No, all along they were saying they were trying to figure out if this was just a case of workplace violence or if it was also terrorism.

Pretty simple.

I don't know why you all are getting so worked up over really clear definitions.

Are you having trouble understanding the definitions?

Not worked up. Just wondering why OSHA or the FBI or any legal expert hasn't agreed with you or why the FBI classified this as terrorism. But hey, you looked something up in a pamphlet so you must be right.

[DarrinS]

From what I've seen there is no indication they got marching orders from anyone, but since they screwed up most of their computers, etc., who knows how long recovering everything could take?

Is that a requirement for terrorism, marching orders?

[ChumpDumper]

Not worked up. Just wondering why OSHA or the FBI or any legal expert hasn't agreed with you or why the FBI classified this as terrorism. But hey, you looked something up in a pamphlet so you must be right.All I said was it meets the FBI definition of workplace violence.

You have never refuted that.

You haven't even denied it.

You went out of your way to avoid a direct question about it.

None of that means it isn't an act of terrorism. I have repeatedly called it an act of terrorism.

So what is your problem?

[ChumpDumper]

Is that a requirement for terrorism, marching orders?Who said it was, Darrin?

And you didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Must have been a horrible workplace to motivate the IED factory in the garage. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Must have been a horrible workplace to motivate the IED factory in the garage. :lolYou didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Who said it was, Darrin?

And you didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?


If we all agree that it was terrorism, then why are you still pushing workplace violence?

[ChumpDumper]

If we all agree that it was terrorism, then why are you still pushing workplace violence?
And you didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[vy65]

All I said was it meets the FBI definition of workplace violence.

You have never refuted that.

You haven't even denied it.

You went out of your way to avoid a direct question about it.

None of that means it isn't an act of terrorism. I have repeatedly called it an act of terrorism.

So what is your problem?

No one from the FBI, OSHA, or the DOJ has called this workplace violence. Not a single occupational or legal scholar has called it workplace violence. When given the opportunity to announce this as workplace violence, the FBI called this terrorism instead.

Superficially meeting the definition is only half the battle. There are statutes, administrative provisions, and agency advisory opinions construing the OSHA definition -- which lol, is the applicable agency, not the FBI -- which you haven't mentioned, ostensibly because you have no clue.

We're all very impressed that you can google shit. But your googles don't make you an expert no matter how much you'd like to think othersise

[DarrinS]

And you didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

I know that wash, rinse, and repeat is your "thing", but it's boring, tbh. There are enough dots to connect to drop the workplace violence bs.

[ChumpDumper]

No one from the FBI, OSHA, or the DOJ has called this workplace violence. Not a single occupational or legal scholar has called it workplace violence. When given the opportunity to announce this as workplace violence, the FBI called this terrorism instead.

Superficially meeting the definition is only half the battle. There are statutes, administrative provisions, and agency advisory opinions construing the OSHA definition -- which lol, is the applicable agency, not the FBI -- which you haven't mentioned, ostensibly because you have no clue.

We're all very impressed that you can google shit. But your googles don't make you an expert no matter how much you'd like to think othersiseI never said was an expert.

I merely stated it fits the definition.

You still can't refute that.

At all.

If you want to refute it, you go right ahead.

I'll wait.

[ChumpDumper]

I know that wash, rinse, and repeat is your "thing", but it's boring, tbh. There are enough dots to connect to drop the workplace violence bs.Darrin, I know avoiding direct questions is your "thing", but it's boring tbh.

Just answer the question, Darrin.

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[vy65]

I never said was an expert.

Exactly, so keep your shitty amateurish takes to yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly, so keep your shitty amateurish takes to yourself.Are you in the FBI?

Give me your expert take on how this doesn't meet the definition of workplace violence.

[vy65]

Are you in the FBI?

Give me your expert take on how this doesn't meet the definition of workplace violence.

Nope, but the NYT sure did a good job quoting them, didn't they?

We can carry on this conversation when you get the applicable federal agency right.

[DarrinS]

If one of the 9/11 hijackers had worked at the WTC, would 9/11 also fall under the definition of workplace violence?

[ChumpDumper]

Nope.Exactly, so keep your shitty amateurish takes to yourself.

[vy65]

Exactly, so keep your shitty amateurish takes to yourself.

Ok buddy you win

[ChumpDumper]

If one of the 9/11 hijackers had worked at the WTC, would 9/11 also fall under the definition of workplace violence?
You tell me, Darrin.

While agreeing on that broader definition of the
problem, specialists have also come to a consensus that workplace violence falls into
four broad categories. They are:

TYPE 1: Violent acts by criminals who have no other connection with the workplace,
but enter to commit robbery or another crime.

TYPE 2: Violence directed at employees by customers, clients, patients, students,
inmates, or any others for whom an organization provides services.

TYPE 3: Violence against coworkers, supervisors, or managers by a present or former
employee.

TYPE 4: Violence committed in the workplace by someone who doesn’t work there, but
has a personal relationship with an employee—an abusive spouse or domestic partner.
I know you won't answer, Darrin, just like you won't answer this question:

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[ChumpDumper]

Ok buddy you winOf course I did. It's a simple definition.

You tried to bring OSHA into a criminal investigation.

lol

[DarrinS]

You tell me, Darrin.

I know you won't answer, Darrin, just like you won't answer this question:

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?


It's about being specific. Technically, it does qualify as workplace violence, but it was, more specifically, a terrorist attack.

Why does this bother you?

It's like you're arguing that the attackers are mammals vs human.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

From what I've seen there is no indication they got marching orders from anyone, but since they screwed up most of their computers, etc., who knows how long recovering everything could take?

I just think its funny that the FBI didn't pass it off to local law enforcement.

The FBI won't say shit until their investigation is over if any other recent high profile investigations but they have a new AG so who knows. What a mess.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparently Darrin doesn't understand the notion of something being many things all at the same time. Feigned? I hope so.

[ChumpDumper]

It's about being specific. Technically, it does qualify as workplace violence, but it was, more specifically, a terrorist attack.

Why does this bother you?It doesn't bother me at all. I've been saying it's both for quite some time. Maybe a Venn diagram would help you.


It's like you're arguing that the attackers are mammals vs human.No, that's what you guys are trying to do for some reason. I've been saying they are both all along.

I really don't know what got your collective dander up.

[ChumpDumper]

I just think its funny that the FBI didn't pass it off to local law enforcement.

The FBI won't say shit until their investigation is over if any other recent high profile investigations but they have a new AG so who knows. What a mess.I don't see how the FBI could not be involved form here on out. This is way beyond what the locals can handle. I'm sure more feds will get involved from here on out just to make sure.

[spurraider21]

It's about being specific. Technically, it does qualify as workplace violence, but it was, more specifically, a terrorist attack.

Why does this bother you?

It's like you're arguing that the attackers are mammals vs human.
i dont think that analogy works. terrorism isn't a subset of workplace violence in the same way humans are a subset of mammals

[DarrinS]

It doesn't bother me at all. I've been saying it's both for quite some time. Maybe a Venn diagram would help you.

No, that's what you guys are trying to do for some reason. I've been saying they are both all along.

I really don't know what got your collective dander up.


I fully acknowledge that this terrorist attack happened where he worked. If not for the wife's pledge to ISIS, the IED factory, the obvious planning, etc., this would probably be treated SOLELY as a workplace violence incident. Sorry you are disappointed.

[DarrinS]

i dont think that analogy works. terrorism isn't a subset of workplace violence in the same way humans are a subset of mammals

Yeah, but you know what I mean.

[ChumpDumper]

I fully acknowledge that this terrorist attack happened where he worked. If not for the wife's pledge to ISIS, the IED factory, the obvious planning, etc., this would probably be treated SOLELY as a workplace violence incident. Sorry you are disappointed.Darrin, I'm going to ask you this question again, because you are being an especially gaping vagina tonight:

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

Please answer this question, Darrin. Prove you aren't a huge gaping vagina with a grudge who can't face a simple question.

[SupremeGuy]

Chump, was this muslim terrorism? Yes or no?

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, was this muslim terrorism? Yes or no?Yes. I've said this over and over.

Who said is wasn't?

[SupremeGuy]

Yes.

Who said is wasn't?Very good. You implied that it wasn't earlier but trying to attribute it to other factors.

[DarrinS]

Darrin, I'm going to ask you this question again, because you are being an especially gaping vagina tonight:

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

Please answer this question, Darrin. Prove you aren't a huge gaping vagina with a grudge who can't face a simple question.


Lol, chump is getting angry. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Very good. You implied that it wasn't earlier but trying to attribute it to other factors.Actually that's bullshit.

Your inference was faulty.

I said it met the definition of workplace violence as well.

If you don't think it does, you can explain how it doesn't.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't see how the FBI could not be involved form here on out. This is way beyond what the locals can handle. I'm sure more feds will get involved from here on out just to make sure.

Since she was here on a Visa i get that. I was thinking about the apparent disconnect.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol, chump is getting angry. :lollol Darrin isn't answering the question. :lol

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

[ChumpDumper]

Since she was here on a Visa i get that.All the communication and media recovery issues as well.

[vy65]

Of course I did. It's a simple definition.

You tried to bring OSHA into a criminal investigation.

lol

You tried to keep OSHA out of a workplace issue.

Lol

[DarrinS]

Awe, I see FuzzyWuzzy has posted, but I can't see the words. :cry

Maybe Chump will be a White Knight and quote you. :lol

[DarrinS]

lol Darrin isn't answering the question. :lol

Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

Who is saying it isn't "technically" workplace violence? Answer the question.

[ChumpDumper]

You tried to keep OSHA out of a workplace issue.

LolDid I?

Show me where I did that.

Link it.

[DarrinS]

Come to think of it, honor killings are just domestic violence.

[vy65]

https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/workplaceviolence/standards.html

Lol meets the "definition."

What statute or regulation did you get your definition from?

[ChumpDumper]

Who is saying it isn't "technically" workplace violence? Answer the question.I think TSA was on that track before my simple question spooked him -- and I'm not sure about the others since they won't answer simple questions.


Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

Answer the simple question, Darrin.

[vy65]

Did I?

Show me where I did that.

Link it.

Link to where you mentioned OSHA before I brought it up?

[DarrinS]

I think TSA was on that track before my simple question spooked him -- and I'm not sure about the others since they won't answer simple questions.


Who said this wasn't an act of terrorism, Darrin?

Answer the simple question, Darrin.


Practically no one. So why the argument?

[SupremeGuy]

Lol, chump is getting angry. :lolWouldn't you be when you've been proven wrong again and again? :lol

[DarrinS]

Wouldn't you be when you've been proven wrong again and again? :lol

He's dedicated, I'll give him that.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/workplaceviolence/standards.html

Lol meets the "definition."

What statute or regulation did you get your definition from?Oh, a goalpost move.

I don't understand your meaning here. Do you think the County Inland Regional Center is going to be sued for violating OSHA standards for a safe workplace?

I guess anything is possible, but that has nothing to do with the criminal investigation.

[ChumpDumper]

Practically no one. So why the argument?Practically?

So who said this wasn't an act of terrorism?

I have seen no one here say it wasn't.

And yet here you are acting as if someone did.

[DarrinS]

.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Awe, I see FuzzyWuzzy has posted, but I can't see the words. :cry

Maybe Chump will be a White Knight and quote you. :lol

I think its hilari:lolus that you put me on ignore when I pointed out that the similarities between what you do here and how the lawyer for the two terrorists argues. You couldn't have made it any more clearer that I finally got through to you what I've been trying to tell you. That is good enough for me.

[ChumpDumper]

Wouldn't you be when you've been proven wrong again and again? :lolWhere was I proved wrong?

[vy65]

Oh, a goalpost move.

I don't understand your meaning here. Do you think the County Inland Regional Center is going to be sued for violating OSHA standards for a safe workplace?

I guess anything is possible, but that has nothing to do with the criminal investigation.

No goal post move. You keep arguing about this meeting the "definition" of workplace violence.

OSHA says there is no definition of workplace violence.

I never said anything about liability.

There is no codified definition of workplace violence. What you linked isn't an official definition, just what some scholars came up with.

[ChumpDumper]

Very good. You implied that it wasn't earlier but trying to attribute it to other factors.


Actually that's bullshit.

Your inference was faulty.

I said it met the definition of workplace violence as well.

If you don't think it does, you can explain how it doesn't.Well?

[ChumpDumper]

No goal post move. You keep arguing about this meeting the "definition" of workplace violence.

OSHA says there is no definition of workplace violence.The FBI has a working definition. You and OSHA can take it up with them.

Since the FBI is involved in the criminal investigation, I'm going to go with them.


I never said anything about liability.

There is no codified definition of workplace violence. What you linked isn't an official definition, just what some scholars came up with.So now it need to be codified?

Goalpost move.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No goal post move. You keep arguing about this meeting the "definition" of workplace violence.

OSHA says there is no definition of workplace violence.

I never said anything about liability.

There is no codified definition of workplace violence. What you linked isn't an official definition, just what some scholars came up with.

He already linked something from the FBI. If he wants to use the FBI standard and they are leading the investigation then it is what it is. Then of course I went to look up counselor crayolas veracity.


What is workplace violence?

Workplace violence is any act or threat of physical violence, harassment, intimidation, or other threatening disruptive behavior that occurs at the work site. It ranges from threats and verbal abuse to physical assaults and even homicide. It can affect and involve employees, clients, customers and visitors. Homicide is currently the fourth-leading cause of fatal occupational injuries in the United States. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries (CFOI), of the 4,679 fatal workplace injuries that occurred in the United States in 2014, 403 were workplace homicides. [More...] However it manifests itself, workplace violence is a major concern for employers and employees nationwide.

https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/workplaceviolence/

[vy65]

The FBI has a working definition. You and OSHA can take it up with them.

Since the FBI is involved in the criminal investigation, I'm going to go with them.

And?

No, the FBI has an article that mentions what some scholars think workplace violence is. Is that your definition of "working definition?"

Do you have any legal authority that the FBI's "working definition" is the applicable standard?

Do you have any authority that what you claim is the FBI's definition of WV is the one they actually use?

[vy65]

He already linked something from the FBI. If he wants to use the FBI standard and they are leading the investigation then it is what it is. Then of course I went to look up counselor crayolas veracity.



https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/workplaceviolence/

Sweet, what statute is that from?

I'm assuming you think OSHA's interpretation here takes priority?

[ChumpDumper]

counselor crayolasOK, that's funny.

[ChumpDumper]

Sweet, what statute is that from?

I'm assuming you think OSHA's interpretation here takes priority?Priority over what?

[spurraider21]

nobody here said it wasn't terrorism, but it was pretty funny when chump started questioning everybody who suggested that it could be terrorism earlier in this thread (around pages 8-10)

[ChumpDumper]

nobody here said it wasn't terrorism, but it was pretty funny when chump started questioning everybody who suggested that it could be terrorism earlier in this thread (around pages 8-10)I said I was open to anything. No one could expalin the specificity of the target; I was stuck on that.

Suddenly questioning is funny to you.

[vy65]

Priority over what?

Over whatever the "working definition" you came up with is.

[spurraider21]

I said I was open to anything.

Suddenly questioning is funny to you.
not sudden at all. your repetitive questioning has always been funny. almost to the same degree as boutons article spam, but not quite there

[vy65]

OK, that's funny.

About as funny as a toros photographer being an expert in workplace violence

[ChumpDumper]

Over whatever the "working definition" you came up with is.It would fit this situation also; so I don't see where you're going with this.

You're the one ranting about OSHA.

[ChumpDumper]

About as funny as a toros photographer being an expert in workplace violenceI am neither of those.

You're really getting upset here.

[ChumpDumper]

not sudden at all. your repetitive questioning has always been funny. almost to the same degree as boutons article spam, but not quite thereI just keep asking when people are obviously trying to duck the question.

[vy65]

I am neither of those.

You're really getting upset here.

Says the guy quoting fuzzys lame insults

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sweet, what statute is that from?

I'm assuming you think OSHA's interpretation here takes priority?

Why yes I will let OSHA speak for itself over you, counselor.

[spurraider21]

OT, but do you think french facebook users are putting the american flag over their profile pictures?

[ChumpDumper]

Says the guy quoting fuzzys lame insultsI thought it was a funny choice of words.

I'm sorry you were so offended.

I will delete the quote if you want me to.

[spurraider21]

I just keep asking when people are obviously trying to duck the question.
it's your compulsiveness i find humorous

[ChumpDumper]

OT, but do you think french facebook users are putting the american flag over their profile pictures?American posters aren't even putting the American flag over their profile pictures.

[spurraider21]

American posters aren't even putting the American flag over their profile pictures.
answer the question, yes or no

[ChumpDumper]

it's your compulsiveness i find humorousI wouldn't call it that. It's a conscious choice.

[ChumpDumper]

answer the question, yes or noMaybe, if facebook makes it easy for them.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't call it that. It's a conscious choice.
that's what addicts say before they come to grips with the reality of their situation

[ChumpDumper]

that's what addicts say before they come to grips with the reality of their situationI have never heard an addict say that at any time.

Where have you heard an addict say that?

[vy65]

I don't see where you're going with this.

Not surprising you can't follow. You have no basis for saying that. There isn't even a definition. You didn't even think to mention OSHA or the DOL in a workplace shooting.

[spurraider21]

yes or no


Maybe
:rolleyes

[spurraider21]

I have never heard an addict say that at any time.

Where have you heard an addict say that?
why would the geographical location matter?

[vy65]

that's what addicts say before they come to grips with the reality of their situation

Crofl

[FuzzyLumpkins]

not sudden at all. your repetitive questioning has always been funny. almost to the same degree as boutons article spam, but not quite there

Of course its not funny when he does it to you. The entire schtick is to ask you the premise of his argument. If you answer it truthfully, you will admit you are wrong and you cannot have that. None of you are smart enough to turn it back on him so you spam and troll and all that other nonsense. I find it interesting from a psychological standpoint but I don't really think its funny either.

[ChumpDumper]

Not surprising you can't follow. You have no basis for saying that. There isn't even a definition.Of course there is. The FBI has on. OSHA has one.
You didn't even think to mention OSHA or the DOL in a workplace shooting.Why would I mention those for a criminal investigation?

Please explain their importance here.

[vy65]

I thought it was a funny choice of words.

I'm sorry you were so offended.

I will delete the quote if you want me to.

Are you really sorry?

[ChumpDumper]

why would the geographical location matter?OK, When have you heard an addict say that?

[spurraider21]

Of course its not funny when he does it to you. The entire schtick is to ask you the premise of his argument. If you answer it truthfully, you will admit you are wrong and you cannot have that. None of you are smart enough to turn it back on him so you spam and troll and all that other nonsense. I find it interesting from a psychological standpoint but I don't really think its funny either.
i never said it's not funny when he does it to me. i think its funny all the time

the rest of that post was just you on a platform of bluster

[spurraider21]

OK, When have you heard an addict say that?
i dont recall the exact date

[DarrinS]

I just keep asking when people are obviously trying to duck the question.

Meh, no one is ducking your stupid question.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you really sorry?Yes, it really seemed to distract you there.

I will delete the quote if you want me to.

Do you want me to delete the quote?

[vy65]

Of course there is. The FBI has on. OSHA has one.Why would I mention those for a criminal investigation?

Please explain their importance here.

Please link me to the official FBI definition of workplace violence.

Clarify your second question: are you asking me what relevance the Occupational Saftey and Hazard Administration has to a workplace violence issue?

[vy65]

Yes, it really seemed to distract you there.

I will delete the quote if you want me to.

Do you want me to delete the quote?

Why did you find it funny?

[ChumpDumper]

i dont recall the exact dateWell, give me what details you can.


Meh, no one is ducking your stupid question.You duck my simple questions regularly, Darrin. Just as you did tonight.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i never said it's not funny when he does it to me. i think its funny all the time

the rest of that post was just you on a platform of bluster

no it simply doesn't apply to you from what you said. that is his schtick and that is how darrin and a whole lot of other accounts respond to it.

i jumped to conclusions. oh my!

[spurraider21]

no it simply doesn't apply to you from what you said. that is his schtick and that is how darrin and a whole lot of other accounts respond to it.

i jumped to conclusions. oh my!
i never said anything about when it does or doesnt apply. you're just making shit up. all i said was i find it funny

[ChumpDumper]

Please link me to the official FBI definition of workplace violence.Goalpost move.


Clarify your second question: are you asking me what relevance the Occupational Saftey and Hazard Administration has to a workplace violence issue?I am asking you why I should refer to the Occupational Saftey and Hazard Administration for the purposes of a criminal investigation.

Why I should refer to the Occupational Saftey and Hazard Administration for the purposes of a criminal investigation?


Why did you find it funny?Choice of words.

I will delete the quote if you want me to.

Do you want me to delete the quote?

[spurraider21]

Well, give me what details you can.
before addicts come to grips with what's on their hand (addiction) they think they're in control and are making a choice

[ChumpDumper]

before addicts come to grips with what's on their hand (addiction) they think they're in control and are making a choiceSo no details, just generalizations. I believe you are simply making this up.

[vy65]

Goalpost move.

I am asking you why I should refer to the Occupational Saftey and Hazard Administration for the purposes of a criminal investigation.

Why I should refer to the Occupational Saftey and Hazard Administration for the purposes of a criminal investigation?

Choice of words.

I will delete the quote if you want me to.

Do you want me to delete the quote?

You said the FBI has one. I asked for it. How is that a goalpost move?

OSHA has jurisdiction over workplace violence.

Why are you so adamant about wanting to delete it? Are you regretting your decision to parrot a shitty joke?

[ChumpDumper]

You said the FBI has one. I asked for it. How is that a goalpost move?I never said they had an official definition.

You just lied.


OSHA has jurisdiction over workplace violence.Do they conduct the criminal investigations? That is what we are dealing with here.


Why are you so adamant about wanting to delete it? Are you regretting your decision to parrot a shitty joke?I am asking you directly if you want me to delete it.

You obviously have strong feelings about it.

Do you want me to delete the quote?

Yes or no.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not surprising you can't follow. You have no basis for saying that. There isn't even a definition. You didn't even think to mention OSHA or the DOL in a workplace shooting.

Now we come back to the obvious mutually exclusive thing with you again and me not believing you are a lawyer.

I think you are completely unfair to your nickname. It has alliteration and rhythm and just rolls right off the tongue. when I see your account the name comes unbidden.

[spurraider21]

So no details, just generalizations. I believe you are simply making this up.
step 1 of the standard 12 step program is to accept that you don't have control over your addiction.

before this step, an addict believes they have control

[ChumpDumper]

step 1 of the standard 12 step program is to accept that you don't have control over your addiction.

before this step, an addict believes they have controlSo you never actually heard anyone say those words.

OK.

[spurraider21]

So you never actually heard anyone say those words.

OK.
i never said that. i'm not going to give a specific name of friend/family of mine who has gotten past addiction problems

[ChumpDumper]

i never said that. i'm not going to give a specific name of friend/family of mine who has gotten past addiction problemsNo one would ever expect you to give a name here. That's pretty strawish.

[spurraider21]

No one would ever expect you to give a name here. That's pretty strawish.
so what do you want me to say?

"somebody told me that once"

[ChumpDumper]

so what do you want me to say?

"somebody told me that once"That probably would have worked better several posts ago.

[spurraider21]

That probably would have worked better several posts ago.
a comment like that would be meaningless. you tried to get details of a conversation i've had full well knowing that nothing i say could actually be verified. so it was all a pointless exercise, and you knew it. but i'm sure you "made the choice" to have this exchange

[ChumpDumper]

a comment like that would be meaningless. you tried to get details of a conversation i've had full well knowing that nothing i say could actually be verified. so it was all a pointless exercise, and you knew it. but i'm sure you "made the choice" to have this exchangeYou made the choice to make up your addict friend/family member.

[spurraider21]

you choose to think that

[SpursforSix]

Another thing I have done is looked up the psychology of people that do the multi-persona trolling and their motivations, fears, and the like. There is quite a bit of literature being written as people are finding people that do that to be problematic. Reading some of the sociopathic shit I've read I can understand why.

I definitely now think I understand your motivations, fears, and the like now. You are typical in a lot of ways.

Are you hungry?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you hungry?

Nope. Do you feel a rush of empowerment when you trick someone into the response you want with your trolls?

[SpursforSix]

Nope. Do you feel a rush of empowerment when you trick someone into the response you want with your trolls?

Sense of empowerment? No...that's weird.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sense of empowerment? No...that's weird.

So then what reaction do you get?

[SpursforSix]

So then what reaction do you get?

In what instance?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In what instance?

Yeah you do this over your personas. Avoidance speaks in its own way.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah you do this over your personas. Avoidance speaks in its own way.

You are batshit crazy today and vague as hell. I only post under this name and one other that was banned from starting threads. Only have had three aliases ever. I don't have the energy to run multiple accounts at the same time. You sure get wound up easy. You should ask your husband to hold you for a while and so some spooning.

And what am I avoiding?

[spurraider21]

You are batshit crazy today and vague as hell. I only post under this name and one other that was banned from starting threads. Only have had three aliases ever. I don't have the energy to run multiple accounts at the same time. You sure get wound up easy. You should ask your husband to hold you for a while and so some spooning.

And what am I avoiding?
this is the part where he responds with a bunch of terms he learned from freshman philosophy 101

[SpursforSix]

this is the part where he responds with a bunch of terms he learned from freshman philosophy 101

I can't wait. Does he have some kind of thing for Lisa Leslie tbh?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are batshit crazy today and vague as hell. I only post under this name and one other that was banned from starting threads. Only have had three aliases ever. I don't have the energy to run multiple accounts at the same time. You sure get wound up easy. You should ask your husband to hold you for a while and so some spooning.

And what am I avoiding?

:lol what gave you the idea I was wound up? you being wound up?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can't wait. Does he have some kind of thing for Lisa Leslie tbh?

Oh and what are the names of your banned accounts? I was reading Nietzsche, spouting shit at him and he got upset. He still complains.

[Koolaid_Man]

You are one sick fuck. NOBODY is getting enjoyment out of this except you.

I support gun rights but you'd be surprised at the level of insensitivity by folks in the NRA and far far right....many of them don't care about individual battles where the innocent die... (e.g. kids at Sandy Hook) but rather winning the War from their own perspective....just because you agree with then on gun rights dont think for one second that many of them are emotionally wired the way you are or even give a fuck about you...just saying

[Harry Callahan]

The 238 rocks. I own a Texas Edition P238.

What holster set-up do you use when carrying?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The 238 rocks. I own a Texas Edition P238.

What holster set-up do you use when carrying?
Had a Springfield 1911 EMP that I sold and replaced with the P238. Wish I could get the P938 but not legal in CA and never will be. My friends dad is a leather bender and he made an IWB holster.

[TheSanityAnnex]

And Fox news wins the stupidest gun expert award. This is unbelievable.

HJGB80cSOGE

[TheSanityAnnex]

I support gun rights but you'd be surprised at the level of insensitivity by folks in the NRA and far far right....many of them don't care about individual battles where the innocent die... (e.g. kids at Sandy Hook) but rather winning the War from their own perspective....just because you agree with then on gun rights dont think for one second that many of them are emotionally wired the way you are or even give a fuck about you...just saying
Same could be said of those on the left.

[boutons_deux]

Same could be said of those on the left.

what war on the left cause 1000s to be injured or killed?

[boutons_deux]

And Fox news wins the stupidest gun expert award. This is unbelievable.

the Fox crawler said CA has the strictest gun laws, but nothing about this huge problem that totally undercuts any state or local gun laws

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/100000004033335.mobile.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

what war on the left cause 1000s to be injured or killed?
Was referring to the insensitivity not sure how you missed that.

[CosmicCowboy]

What was really strange about this shooting to me was their choice of victims. If they wanted to make a political statement they could have attacked anyone/anywhere for a bigger impact (Imagine the same firepower at the Rose Bowl parade) but they chose to kill the people most close to them...that even threw them a baby shower six months before...weird.

[TheSanityAnnex]

the Fox crawler said CA has the strictest gun laws, but nothing about this huge problem that totally undercuts any state or local gun laws

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/100000004033335.mobile.html
Was referring to the idiot saying the bullet button (requires a tool for release mag) turns a gun into full auto. Also not sure how you missed that.

[Pelicans78]

What was really strange about this shooting to me was their choice of victims. If they wanted to make a political statement they could have attacked anyone/anywhere for a bigger impact (Imagine the same firepower at the Rose Bowl parade) but they chose to kill the people most close to them...that even threw them a baby shower six months before...weird.

I think that Messianic Jew really pissed him off with all stuff he said and posted about Muslims/Islam two weeks prior and maybe other co-workers chimed in and the shooter told his wife and she was like, "Kill the Jew and other infidels who supported him." So they planned it and targeted that Jewish guy for sure and whoever else they were pissed at.

[Th'Pusher]

I think that Messianic Jew really pissed him off with all stuff he said and posted about Muslims/Islam two weeks prior and maybe other co-workers chimed in and the shooter told his wife and she was like, "Kill the Jew and other infidels who supported him." So they planned it and targeted that Jewish guy for sure and whoever else they were pissed at.

So it was workplace violence?

[Pelicans78]

So it was workplace violence?

A component of it was workplace violence since it wasn't just a random attack, but also terrorism since they targeted that Jew who bashed Muslims and other co-workers who probably supported him. There's no other reason this guy would shoot up his co-workers unless he felt compelled since they insulted his beliefs not to mention his wife who obviously was hard core in her beliefs and definitely those people dead for their supposed blashphemy behavior, especially with one of them being Jewish and a Israel supporter.

[TheSanityAnnex]

A component of it was workplace violence since it wasn't just a random attack, but also terrorism since they targeted that Jew who bashed Muslims and other co-workers who probably supported him. There's no other reason this guy would shoot up his co-workers unless he felt compelled since they insulted his beliefs not to mention his wife who obviously was hard core in her beliefs and definitely those people dead for their supposed blashphemy behavior, especially with one of them being Jewish and a Israel supporter.
Thanks for the info Farook.

[Pelicans78]

Thanks for the info Farook.

No problem.

[rmt]

Isn't it strange that they throw them a baby shower and she doesn't attend? It's not like she was working, she was at home.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I find it stranger that the FBI was done at the residence in two days and the GoPro's aren't being discussed.

[Pelicans78]

I find it stranger that the FBI was done at the residence in two days and the GoPro's aren't being discussed.

This whole investigation seems like shoddy. Especially with the reporters contaminating the house.

[Th'Pusher]

A component of it was workplace violence since it wasn't just a random attack, but also terrorism since they targeted that Jew who bashed Muslims and other co-workers who probably supported him. There's no other reason this guy would shoot up his co-workers unless he felt compelled since they insulted his beliefs not to mention his wife who obviously was hard core in her beliefs and definitely those people dead for their supposed blashphemy behavior, especially with one of them being Jewish and a Israel supporter.

So workplace violence and terrorism are not mutually exclusive?

[boutons_deux]

Sounds like a grudge, revenge massacre of fellow employees, "going postal", complicated by the Muslim and arsenal aspects, which I'm sure Fox and Christian supremacists will force into jihadi terrorism, WRONG, as they are always, the ignorant fucks.

What is the terrorist's religious/political message in massacring one's fellow employees? Don't fuck with Muslims? Don't fun about my beard?

Sounds like the guy married a piece of shit, and got Wahhabi'd in BigOil's beloved sands of Saudi Arabia.

[TheSanityAnnex]

which I'm sure Fox and Christian supremacists will force into jihadi terrorism, WRONG, as they are always, the ignorant fucks.:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

boo being boo

just dumb as fuck

[boutons_deux]

Trump slanders the shooters' families

Without evidence, Donald Trump accuses CA shooter’s family of knowing about it in advance

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/without-evidence-donald-trump-accuses-ca-shooters-family-of-knowing-about-it-in-advance/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[rmt]

Trump slanders the shooters' families

Without evidence, Donald Trump accuses CA shooter’s family of knowing about it in advance

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/without-evidence-donald-trump-accuses-ca-shooters-family-of-knowing-about-it-in-advance/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Didn't the mother live in the same house? I'd think some one would have to be blind to not know what was going on. What - she didn't hear them talking, didn't see the bomb parts/guns/ammo lying around the house or was she banned from that part of the house? And she didn't do anything about it? Wonder if the 14 deaths are on her conscience?

[Aztecfan03]

A component of it was workplace violence since it wasn't just a random attack, but also terrorism since they targeted that Jew who bashed Muslims and other co-workers who probably supported him. There's no other reason this guy would shoot up his co-workers unless he felt compelled since they insulted his beliefs not to mention his wife who obviously was hard core in her beliefs and definitely those people dead for their supposed blashphemy behavior, especially with one of them being Jewish and a Israel supporter.

That doesn't describe terrorism.

[boutons_deux]

Only you paranoid, racist rightwingnut haters, Christian Taliban fear all Muslims

Can Americans separate terrorism from Muslims? Yes, says poll.

A majority of Americans view Muslims in the United States the same way as any other community, a new poll shows.

In the first poll on views of Muslim Americans taken after the mass shootings in Paris and San Bernardino, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed 51 percent of Americans (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-muslims-eclusive-idUSKBN0TO00320151205#GGSLLVgDVvETYBfJ.97) consider Muslims living in the US the same way they consider other groups of people.

Only 14.6 percent of those surveyed said they were generally fearful.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/1205/Can-Americans-separate-terrorism-from-Muslims-Yes-says-poll

[TheSanityAnnex]

Only you paranoid, racist rightwingnut haters, Christian Taliban fear all Muslims

Can Americans separate terrorism from Muslims? Yes, says poll.

A majority of Americans view Muslims in the United States the same way as any other community, a new poll shows.

In the first poll on views of Muslim Americans taken after the mass shootings in Paris and San Bernardino, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed 51 percent of Americans (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-muslims-eclusive-idUSKBN0TO00320151205#GGSLLVgDVvETYBfJ.97) consider Muslims living in the US the same way they consider other groups of people.

Only 14.6 percent of those surveyed said they were generally fearful.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/1205/Can-Americans-separate-terrorism-from-Muslims-Yes-says-poll

I always get a kick when the headline says "majority" and then says 51%.

[spurraider21]

Only you paranoid, racist rightwingnut haters, Christian Taliban fear all Muslims

Can Americans separate terrorism from Muslims? Yes, says poll.

A majority of Americans view Muslims in the United States the same way as any other community, a new poll shows.

In the first poll on views of Muslim Americans taken after the mass shootings in Paris and San Bernardino, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed 51 percent of Americans (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-muslims-eclusive-idUSKBN0TO00320151205#GGSLLVgDVvETYBfJ.97) consider Muslims living in the US the same way they consider other groups of people.

Only 14.6 percent of those surveyed said they were generally fearful.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/1205/Can-Americans-separate-terrorism-from-Muslims-Yes-says-poll
what is this christian taliban you keep speaking of? is there an organized christian terrorist regime?

[TheSanityAnnex]

what is this christian taliban you keep speaking of? is there an organized christian terrorist regime?
christian taliban workviolence regime get it right

[ChumpDumper]

I always get a kick when the headline says "majority" and then says 51%.You're definitely in that 14.6%.

[boutons_deux]

what is this christian taliban you keep speaking of? is there an organized christian terrorist regime?

It's the fundamentalist Christians who work very hard to impose their Biblical ethics and morals on EVERYBODY, and try to force the Bible bullshit into public education, into law.

The collection of grifter, fundamentalist pastors, including "Christian" media, are very well financed, organized, under Old Testament craziness.

Some Christians enforce the Bible by discrimating against, percecuting, brutalizing, sometimes killing, people they decide, as infallible, self-righteous, hateful judges, are sinners.

Such behaviour is exactly the same as fundamentalist Muslims, eg, the Taliban, ISIS, al Qaida

[pgardn]

It's the fundamentalist Christians who work very hard to impose their Biblical ethics and morals on EVERYBODY, and try to force the Bible bullshit into public education, into law.

The collection of grifter, fundamentalist pastors, including "Christian" media, are very well financed, organized, under Old Testament craziness.

Some Christians enforce the Bible by discrimating against, percecuting, brutalizing, sometimes killing, people they decide, as infallible, self-righteous, hateful judges, are sinners.

Such behaviour is exactly the same as fundamentalist Muslims, eg, the Taliban, ISIS, al Qaida

So what US church has been funding these mass shootings do you suspect?

[boutons_deux]

So what US church has been funding these mass shootings do you suspect?

you say there is a single US church, I didn't

[pgardn]

you say there is a single US church, I didn't

Ok.

Then delete edit your comparison.

[Winehole23]

was there a church behind the San Bernardino shootings? FBI seems to be saying there's no organizational tie...

[pgardn]

was there a church behind the San Bernardino shootings? FBI seems to be saying there's no organizational tie...

There must be a radical Christian church funding/organizing/training for mass shootings somewhere as they are exactly like ISIS. Boots says so.

[Winehole23]

seems to me both prongs of the fork may be flawed. ISIS particpation in the San Berdoo thing is far from demonstrated, indeed seems to be more hype than hamburger.

[pgardn]

seems to me both prongs of the fork may be flawed. ISIS particpation in the San Berdoo thing is far from demonstrated, indeed seems to be more hype than hamburger.

Indeed.

We just got on the tangent of Christian terrorism and ISIS. I was sure, after reading boots, that we should be able to link a mass shooting somewhere in the world as an Export of Christan Fundamentalism funded by specific US Christian churches.

[boutons_deux]

Ok.

Then delete edit your comparison.
GFY

[pgardn]

GFY

ah, you gotta have something better than that

No.
No you don't.

[CosmicCowboy]

the difference between the terrorist shoots and the nut job shoots is that their religion condones and allegedly rewards the jihadi actions and actively recruits others to follow in their jihadi footsteps.

i'm not sure why it is so hard for the boutons of the world to grasp the difference.

[boutons_deux]

ah, you gotta have something better than that

No.
No you don't.

OK, I'll stoop again: you say there is a single US church, I didn't

[boutons_deux]

"You ain't no Muslim, bruv!" Londoners mock attacker

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/you-aint-no-muslim-bruv-londoners-mock-underground-attacker/

[pgardn]

We just got on the tangent of Christian terrorism and ISIS. I was sure, after reading boots, that we should be able to link a mass shooting somewhere in the world as an Export of Christan Fundamentalism funded by specific US Christian churches.

Ok let's make it simple since you are hiding behind the use of singular and plural to deflect.
Could you read the above perhaps?

You wrote about Christian terrorism being equivalent to ISIS. So explain.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

OK, I'll stoop again: you say there is a single US church, I didn't



Splitting hairs so you don't ever have to admit you were wrong. Picking up the stupid people saying something anecdote was a nice touch. For an old fag, you sure act like a pigheaded redneck a lot. ARe you a gay hillbilly? Is that why you act like this?

[pgardn]

Some Christians enforce the Bible by discrimating against, percecuting, brutalizing, sometimes killing, people they decide, as infallible, self-righteous, hateful judges, are sinners.

Such behaviour is exactly the same as fundamentalist Muslims, eg, the Taliban, ISIS, al Qaida

And again I will note that your contributions to sometimes worthy matters described in such a zealous and warped manner is part of the reason conservatives can Dismiss worthy matters as the realm of a fruit bat.

fundamentalism and producing convenient demons is dangerous business, don't make a madman joke out of it.