Active shooter San Bernardino, CA

[Spurminator]

Islam is a fucked up religion, there is no reason we should be trying to become a sanctuary for more people who believe this stupid shit.

What if they're not from Syria? Should we ask every refugee or immigrant what their religion is before we let them move here?

[ChumpDumper]

What if they're not from Syria? Should we ask every refugee or immigrant what their religion is before we let them move here?True, the wife was a legal immigrant from Pakistan via Saudi Arabia.

[Spurminator]

I understand the knee jerk fear when this shit happens but halting the migration of Syrian refugees to keep Islamic extremists out of the country is like building a 2 mile wall along the border of Mexico. The focus on that specific group is so myopic.

[TheSanityAnnex]

We're just lucky most people who do this stuff are pretty stupid about it.

Very true. A few more IQ points and the body count could have easily tripled.

[boutons_deux]

and the NRA and gun industry licking their chops over hugely increased profits for every mass slaugher they enable

How mass shootings profit gun makers and fuel America's addiction to guns (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/3/1456362/-How-mass-shootings-profit-gun-makers-and-fuel-America-s-addiction-to-guns)

Black Friday has become a gun buyer’s bonanza as marked by FBI records of processed background checks, which serve as a rough indicator of gun sales activity. Last year, the FBI processed about 176,000 background checks on Black Friday. This year, checks on Black Friday were up five percent from last year to a record 185,345, according to the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/black-friday-gun-sales-soared-fbi-data-shows.html?_r=0). Background checks do not exactly measure gun sales, since not all people who get checks purchase guns and since once checked, buyers can purchase multiple guns. However, if only one in every ten background checks resulted in a single gun purchase or more, America sold more guns than there were children born on that day.

The other notable news about Black Friday: the mass shooting at Planned Parenthood, where Robert Lewis Dear killed three people and wounded nine others.

It is hard to establish correlation, especially given how much other climate factors over the past year could contribute as well, but the relationship between the Planned Parenthood shootings and gun sales is not coincidental, either. This year saw the biggest June gun sales ever (http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2015/07/17/why-gun-sales-boomed-in-june/). That month was marked by Dylann Roof’s deadly rampage through Emanuel AME Church, killing nine black Americans in an effort to start a race war. The last daily record for background checks came shortly after the Sandy Hook school shooting in Connecticut. The AP reports (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a32508a00eb74c88acd55871c3a4ba95/fbi-background-checks-gun-sales-peak-black-friday):

The previous record for the most background checks in a single day was Dec. 21, 2012, about a week after 20 children and six adults were shot to death in a Connecticut elementary school. The week following the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary saw the processing of 953,613 gun background checks.

After the Colorado shootings, President Barack Obama once again called for stricter limits on the availability of guns.


These numbers are staggering, and reports from gun manufacturers indicate that mass shootings like yesterday’s San Bernardino, California and Savannah, Georgia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/02/the-other-mass-shooting-that-happened-today-in-the-united-states/) shootings are not just blips in the market, but regular and predictable sales-driving occurrences for guns.


The Intercept, in a review of investor statements from gun manufacturers and related companies, found that Sandy Hook and other mass shootings brought new gun buyers into the fold at high rates, both from fear of new gun legislation and from fear of attacks. The Intercept reports (https://theintercept.com/2015/12/03/mass-shooting-wall-st/):

“The gun business was very much accelerated based on what happened after the election and then the tragedy that happened at Sandy Hook,” Ed Stack, the chief executive of Dick’s Sporting Goods, a leading gun and ammunition retailer, said in September 2014 at the Goldman Sachs Global Retailing Conference. Stack noted that the industry saw “panic buying” when customers “thought there were going to be some very meaningful changes in our gun” laws. The new sales “didn’t bring hunters in” but rather “brought shooters into the industry,” he added.
[...]

Last year, Tommy Millner, the chief executive of Cabela’s, a retailer that sells guns, boasted at an investor conference in Nebraska that his company made a “conscious decision” to stock additional weapons merchandise before the 2012 election, hoping Obama’s reelection would result in increased sales. After the election, the Newtown mass shooting happened, and “the business went vertical … I meant it just went crazy,” Millner said, according to a transcript of the event. Describing the “tailwinds of profitability,” Millner noted Cabela’s “didn’t blink as others did to stop selling AR-15 platform guns” and so his company “got a lot of new customers.” The AR-15 is a high-powered assault rifle based on the military’s M-16 model but without the full automatic capacity,
Steve Miller, the chief executive of Big 5 Sporting Goods, another gun retailer, was asked by investor analysts in 2013 to describe the state of the market during a conference call that year.

The “real surge” in firearm sales, Miller said, “took place following the tragedy in Sandy Hook.”


Each of these surges occurs in the wake of not only attacks, but at the slightest provocation of anyone saying anything about gun control or reform. After each of the aforementioned attacks, President Obama was criticized by the rabid National Rifle Association and their base of paid praying politicians (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/02/3727709/lawmakers-offer-prayers-for-mass-shooting-victims-receive-large-checks-from-the-nra/) for even daring to consider any alternative to arming every adult and child. The NRA then in turn stokes angst about gun control and fear of attacks into calls for more people to buy guns.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/03/1456362/-How-mass-shootings-profit-gun-makers-and-fuel-America-s-addiction-to-guns?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

:lol America is so fucked by BigCorp and unfuckable.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just picture BB in CA with people he cares about and understandably being concerned. The guy wasn't an immigrant from Syria. At the end of the day the Constitution is what it is.

I think the refugees should still be handled on a case by case basis.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess. As a country we won't do anything to address the problems directly though, and I'm resigned to that. For terra attacks, they're still rare so I continue to not prepare to be attacked by a terrorist. If they kill me, you all can call scoreboard.

[SpursforSix]

Very true. A few more IQ points and the body count could have easily tripled.

no doubt. I hope it doesn't get to the point where ISIS would actually pay big $ to some white Americans to plan and set up something more devastating.

[boutons_deux]

I guess. As a country we won't do anything to address the problems directly though, and I'm resigned to that. For terra attacks, they're still rare so I continue to not prepare to be attacked by a terrorist. If they kill me, you all can call scoreboard.

Avoidable medical errors kill about 100K / year.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The problem is religion. Addressing it directly is sort of written out of our constitution.

Most of the historical solutions to such problems here are remembered as pogroms, detentions, and forced migrations. Overseas its been much worse.

[SpursforSix]

Avoidable medical errors kill about 100K / year.

oh, that's just BigPharma and BigCorp messing with human Americans

[boutons_deux]

The problem is religion.

false. As Pope Franky recently said, the problem is religious fundamentalism (fucking craziness), in which he includes some or many in his own church as being infected.

USA's biggest problem with religion is not with Muslims, but with Christian Taliban imposing their sharia on non-Christians.

[spurraider21]

false. As Pope Franky recently said, the problem is religious fundamentalism (fucking craziness), in which he includes some or many in his own church as being infected.

USA's biggest problem with religion is not with Muslims, but with Christian Taliban imposing their sharia on non-Christians.
so one of the most powerful figures in the religious world said religion isn't a problem? shocker

[boutons_deux]

so one of the most powerful figures in the religious world said religion isn't a problem? shocker

you can't read any better than you can think.

[SnakeBoy]

I guess. As a country we won't do anything to address the problems directly though, and I'm resigned to that.

What would you propose?

[spurraider21]

you can't read any better than you can think.
i can read just fine. the pope is saying religion ins't a problem, but people who take religion too far are the problem

and i'm sure the head of the NRA says guns aren't a problem, but people who take guns too far are the problem

[FuzzyLumpkins]

false. As Pope Franky recently said, the problem is religious fundamentalism (fucking craziness), in which he includes some or many in his own church as being infected.

USA's biggest problem with religion is not with Muslims, but with Christian Taliban imposing their sharia on non-Christians.

your splitting hairs and invoking the pope as authority is hilarious.

All are equally shitty including the one you follow. I respect your right to believe whatever stupidity you want but that doesn't give you a pass. For one who spams so much left wing stuff you sure do know who number one is. Your blinders all center around your ego.

[Spurminator]

672515935337627648

[boutons_deux]

your splitting hairs and invoking the pope as authority is hilarious.

All are equally shitty including the one you follow. I respect your right to believe whatever stupidity you want but that doesn't give you a pass. For one who spams so much left wing stuff you sure do know who number one is. Your blinders all center around your ego.

Dear Fuzzy HurtButt, I didn't say the Pope was an authority, only saying what he said, which is accurate about religious fundamentalism, in all religions, is the problem.

oh, and you are so full of shit, GFY

[ChumpDumper]

What would you propose?I propose nothing. Seems to be working just fine for me.

[spurraider21]

I propose nothing. Seems to be working just fine for me.
Why do you propose stricter gun laws? Current ones are working just fine for you. Or have you been shot lately?

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you propose stricter gun laws?Do I?

Which one did I propose?

[RD2191]

Why do you propose stricter gun laws? Current ones are working just fine for you. Or have you been shot lately?
:lol

[spurraider21]

Do I?

Which one did I propose?
You don't think we need to change our gun laws? I must have been mistaken then.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't think we need to change our gun laws? I must have been mistaken then.Which stricter gun law did I propose?

[spurraider21]

At least we can now confirm exactly why you wanted to change gay marriage law. The old law wasn't working out well for you.

[ChumpDumper]

At least we can now confirm exactly why you wanted to change gay marriage law. The old law wasn't working out well for you.That didn't even need a law. I said I'm for no marriage law.

Which stricter gun law did I propose?

Answer the question.

[spurraider21]

Which stricter gun law did I propose?
Do you think we need stricter gun laws?

[spurraider21]

duplicate

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think we need stricter gun laws?You said I propose stricter gun laws.

Which stricter gun law did I propose?

Answer the question,.

[RD2191]

You said I propose stricter gun laws.

Which stricter gun law did I propose?

Answer the question,.
Are you gay?

Answer the question

[ChumpDumper]

Are you gay?No.

[spurraider21]

You said I propose stricter gun laws.

Which stricter gun law did I propose?

Answer the question,.
I'm trying to get clarification on the issue. Do you think we need stricter gun laws?

Answer the question. You aren't expected to.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm trying to get clarification on the issue. Do you think we need stricter gun laws?

Answer the question.I'm trying to get clarification on your claim that I propose stricter gun laws.

Which stricter gun law did I propose?

Answer the question.

[spurraider21]

As I said, I may have been mistaken, which is why I'm trying to clarify through you, but you are predictably dodging the question.

Do you think we need stricter gun laws? Answer the question.

[ChumpDumper]

As I said, I may have been mistakenSo you know of no stricter gun law I have proposed at all.

Thanks.

[spurraider21]

So you know of no stricter gun law I have proposed at all.

Thanks.
Do you think we need stricter gun laws? Answer the question.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think we need stricter gun laws? Answer the question.I propose nothing.

What part of that do you not understand?

[spurraider21]

I propose nothing.

What part of that do you not understand?
So you think we should keep our gun laws exactly as is? Good to know.

[ChumpDumper]

So you think we should keep our gun laws exactly as is? Good to know.Good to know for what?

It's not like you actually recall anything anyone says.

Why d:cry y:cryu pr:cryp:cryse stricter gun laws?

[ChumpDumper]

There are currently 18 users browsing this thread. (9 members and 9 guests)
ChumpDumper, vy65, Splits, tlongII, SnakeBoy, Yonivore, RD2191, FuzzyLumpkins, Warlord23Can't wait for this take.

[spurraider21]

Good to know for what?

It's not like you actually recall anything anyone says.

Why d:cry y:cryu pr:cryp:cryse stricter gun laws?

No, I'll definitely remember that you think we should keep our gun laws exactly as they are.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dear Fuzzy HurtButt, I didn't say the Pope was an authority, only saying what he said, which is accurate about religious fundamentalism, in all religions, is the problem.

oh, and you are so full of shit, GFY

your answer to me was 'like the pope said' you can try to reframe it in some emotional narrative if it makes you feel better. that too is hilarious.

You're splitting hairs and I am saying that as long as the Bible, Quran, Gita, and all the rest are hailed as the word of god this cycle of violent religious fanatics will continue to exist. You going to try and split that hair too? Your special picking and choosing in the book exempts you?

It's explicit in the texts. If you take Leviticus and much of what Paul says in the new testament you can do some heinous shit without any other provocation. Same goes for the shia where they parse it through their justice system. Violent retribution is prescribed often and the burden is spread amongst all believers for justice to be served.

[ChumpDumper]

No, I'll definitely remember that you think we should keep our gun laws exactly as they are.Do you think gun laws should change?

[RD2191]

your answer to me was 'like the pope said' you can try to reframe it in some emotional narrative if it makes you feel better. that too is hilarious.

You're splitting hairs and I am saying that as long as the Bible, Quran, Gita, and all the rest are hailed as the word of god this cycle of violent religious fanatics will continue to exist. You going to try and split that hair too? Your special picking and choosing in the book exempts you?

It's explicit in the texts. If you take Leviticus and much of what Paul says in the new testament you can do some heinous shit without any other provocation. Same goes for the shia where they parse it through their justice system. Violent retribution is prescribed often and the burden is spread amongst all believers for justice to be served.
Post some scripture to backup your claim.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Post some scripture to backup your claim.

sorry man I know you love the god threads but I don't have it in me right now. I know you know them already.

[spurraider21]

Do you think gun laws should change?
Yes. I guess we disagree on that one.

[RD2191]

sorry man I know you love the god threads but I don't have it in me right now. I know you know them already.
Yeah, neither do I. I immediately regretted asking.:lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

672515935337627648

The ACLU and the NRA joining together :wow

[Splits]

The ACLU and the NRA joining together :wow

Not surprising. The ACLU has a history of defending other monsters in this country, like the KKK, Confederate flag racists, Westboro Baptist Church, and now the NRA

[ChumpDumper]

Yes. I guess we disagree on that one.What do you propose?

[TheSanityAnnex]

672515935337627648

blocked.

They need to shore up that list for something like this to have a chance, way to vague as currently constructed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I guess if you want to consider the Paris attacks the norm for them. It's not like a mass shooting happens every day there.

In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.---John Lott

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yes Obama, this does just happen in other countries

The facts shoot holes in Obama's claim that US is only host to mass killings

On Tuesday, President Obama stunned Americans and French alike with his false claims about gun violence in America. "I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” claimed Obama. It is a claim that he has continually repeated over the years.
Talk about being self-absorbed.

The French have witnessed three mass public shootings this year. January saw two attacks, one on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and another on a Paris supermarket.

In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.


Obama also overlooks Norway, where Anders Behring Breivik used a gun to kill 67 people and wound 110 others. Still others were killed by bombs that Breivik detonated. Of the four worst K-12 school shootings, three have occurred in Europe. Germany had two of these — one in 2002 at Erfut and another in 2009 at Winnenden, with a total death toll of 34.
Obama isn’t correct even if he meant the frequency of fatalities or attacks. Many European countries actually have higher rates of death from public shootings that resulted in four or more murders. It’s simply a matter of adjusting for America’s much larger population.

Let’s look at mass public shootings from 2009 to the middle of June this year. To compare fairly with American shootings, I excluded attacks that might be better classified as struggles over sovereignty. For instance, I did not count the 22 people killed in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo last month.

Norway had the highest annual death rate, with 2 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14, and the Czech Republic 0.13. The US comes in No. 8 with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates.

There are two other studies on these questions that have gotten a fair amount of attention.

One, by State University of New York-Oswego public justice professor Jaclyn Schildkraut and Texas State University researcher H. Jaymi Elsass, who look at shootings across countries, has left out a large number of shootings in other countries.
Yet, despite the extensive news coverage their study has received, they miss a lot of cases. For example, in France, they miss three mass public shootings:
— Tours, France, October 29, 2001: four people were killed and 10 wounded when a French railway worker started killing people at a busy intersection in the city.

— Nanterre, France, March 27, 2002: a man kills eight city councilors after a city council meeting.
— Toulouse, France, March 19, 2012, Mohammed Merah killed four people (the killer also killed people in Montauban, France).

Other cases are missed in such countries as Austria, Belgium, Finland, Netherlands, Italy, Macedonia, Spain, Switzerland and Slovakia.

It takes a lot of time and effort to find all the cases, but if you get all the attacks in the U.S. and miss those in other countries, it makes the U.S. look a lot worse.
Another by Lankford reportedly goes back to 1966, but while he shares his study with reporters, he requires that they don’t share it with researchers in the area and, despite the wide publicity given his findings, he has repeatedly turned down requests by myself to see his research.


The president’s statement was also limited in another sense. He was referring only to shootings in his statement, but bombs are frequently used elsewhere in the world.

The Boston Marathon bombing was a rare exception these days in the United States. But countries such as Russia have frequently suffered bombings. Indeed, since 2009, the nation has seen 1.31 deaths per million from bombings that caused four or more fatalities.


Between 2007 and 2011, there was an average of 6,282 terrorist attacks per year outside of Iraq, Afghanistan and the U.S. On average, more than 27,000 people were killed, injured or kidnapped each year.

Obama keeps using these attacks to advocate requiring background checks on private transfers of guns. Such a requirement, however, already exists in France and almost all of Europe.

The background checks failed. So, too, did France and Belgium’s complete bans on the weapons used in those attacks. The terrorists who attacked those countries still got the weapons that they wanted.

Of the people stopped by background checks, nearly all are people who should have been allowed to buy guns. These delays may be mere inconveniences for most people, but they can endanger the lives of people who are being stalked and need immediate protection.


There is another common factor between mass public shootings. Virtually all of the attacks in America and Europe are taking place where general citizens can’t carry guns for protection. At some point, it has to become apparent to gun control advocates that gun-free zones only protect the killers.


Can Obama actually believe his claim that these attacks “just doesn’t happen in other countries”? More likely, Obama is willing to go to any extreme as he pushes for European-type gun control. The last thing he wants to admit is that countries with such strict gun-control laws can have so many deadly attacks.


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/03/facts-shoot-holes-in-obamas-claim-that-us-is-only-host-to-mass-killings.html

[DMX7]

In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.---John Lott

462 deaths from mass shootings in 2015 so far in the USA.


Including the worst mass shooting of the year, which unfolded horrifically on Wednesday in San Bernardino, Calif., a total of 462 people have died and 1,314 have been wounded in such attacks this year, many of which occurred on streets or in public settings, the databases indicate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur-on-average-every-day-records-show.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[ChumpDumper]

In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.---John LottSo take out 498 for the Paris attacks and what do you get?

Another incredibly disingenuous gun nut.

Seriously, why do you think posts like this help you?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes Obama, this does just happen in other countries

The facts shoot holes in Obama's claim that US is only host to mass killings

On Tuesday, President Obama stunned Americans and French alike with his false claims about gun violence in America. "I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” claimed Obama. It is a claim that he has continually repeated over the years.
Talk about being self-absorbed.

The French have witnessed three mass public shootings this year. January saw two attacks, one on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and another on a Paris supermarket.

In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.


Obama also overlooks Norway, where Anders Behring Breivik used a gun to kill 67 people and wound 110 others. Still others were killed by bombs that Breivik detonated. Of the four worst K-12 school shootings, three have occurred in Europe. Germany had two of these — one in 2002 at Erfut and another in 2009 at Winnenden, with a total death toll of 34.
Obama isn’t correct even if he meant the frequency of fatalities or attacks. Many European countries actually have higher rates of death from public shootings that resulted in four or more murders. It’s simply a matter of adjusting for America’s much larger population.

Let’s look at mass public shootings from 2009 to the middle of June this year. To compare fairly with American shootings, I excluded attacks that might be better classified as struggles over sovereignty. For instance, I did not count the 22 people killed in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo last month.

Norway had the highest annual death rate, with 2 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14, and the Czech Republic 0.13. The US comes in No. 8 with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates.

There are two other studies on these questions that have gotten a fair amount of attention.

One, by State University of New York-Oswego public justice professor Jaclyn Schildkraut and Texas State University researcher H. Jaymi Elsass, who look at shootings across countries, has left out a large number of shootings in other countries.
Yet, despite the extensive news coverage their study has received, they miss a lot of cases. For example, in France, they miss three mass public shootings:
— Tours, France, October 29, 2001: four people were killed and 10 wounded when a French railway worker started killing people at a busy intersection in the city.

— Nanterre, France, March 27, 2002: a man kills eight city councilors after a city council meeting.
— Toulouse, France, March 19, 2012, Mohammed Merah killed four people (the killer also killed people in Montauban, France).

Other cases are missed in such countries as Austria, Belgium, Finland, Netherlands, Italy, Macedonia, Spain, Switzerland and Slovakia.

It takes a lot of time and effort to find all the cases, but if you get all the attacks in the U.S. and miss those in other countries, it makes the U.S. look a lot worse.
Another by Lankford reportedly goes back to 1966, but while he shares his study with reporters, he requires that they don’t share it with researchers in the area and, despite the wide publicity given his findings, he has repeatedly turned down requests by myself to see his research.


The president’s statement was also limited in another sense. He was referring only to shootings in his statement, but bombs are frequently used elsewhere in the world.

The Boston Marathon bombing was a rare exception these days in the United States. But countries such as Russia have frequently suffered bombings. Indeed, since 2009, the nation has seen 1.31 deaths per million from bombings that caused four or more fatalities.


Between 2007 and 2011, there was an average of 6,282 terrorist attacks per year outside of Iraq, Afghanistan and the U.S. On average, more than 27,000 people were killed, injured or kidnapped each year.

Obama keeps using these attacks to advocate requiring background checks on private transfers of guns. Such a requirement, however, already exists in France and almost all of Europe.

The background checks failed. So, too, did France and Belgium’s complete bans on the weapons used in those attacks. The terrorists who attacked those countries still got the weapons that they wanted.

Of the people stopped by background checks, nearly all are people who should have been allowed to buy guns. These delays may be mere inconveniences for most people, but they can endanger the lives of people who are being stalked and need immediate protection.


There is another common factor between mass public shootings. Virtually all of the attacks in America and Europe are taking place where general citizens can’t carry guns for protection. At some point, it has to become apparent to gun control advocates that gun-free zones only protect the killers.


Can Obama actually believe his claim that these attacks “just doesn’t happen in other countries”? More likely, Obama is willing to go to any extreme as he pushes for European-type gun control. The last thing he wants to admit is that countries with such strict gun-control laws can have so many deadly attacks.


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/03/facts-shoot-holes-in-obamas-claim-that-us-is-only-host-to-mass-killings.htmlWhich first world country has a mass shooting every day?

Same disingenuous gun nut.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So take out 498 for the Paris attacks and what do you get?

Another incredibly disingenuous gun nut.

Seriously, why do you think posts like this help you?

You get.......In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates.

[DMX7]

So take out 498 for the Paris attacks and what do you get?

Another incredibly disingenuous gun nut.

Seriously, why do you think posts like this help you?

lumping killings and injuries together is also disingenuous.

[ChumpDumper]

You get.......In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates.Frequency of what attacks?

What are you actually talking about here?

[TheSanityAnnex]

462 deaths from mass shootings in 2015 so far in the USA.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur-on-average-every-day-records-show.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The list they are referencing from shootingtracker.com is counting children wounding people with pellet guns as mass shootings :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

lumping killings and injuries together is also disingenuous.

You mean like the pellet gun wounds you just referenced? :lol

[DMX7]

The list they are referencing from shootingtracker.com is counting children wounding people with pellet guns as mass shootings :lol

462 deaths from mass shootings in 2015 so far in the USA.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Frequency of what attacks?

What are you actually talking about here?Must I keep re-quoting the article or can you read it for yourself?

"Let’s look at mass public shootings from 2009 to the middle of June this year. To compare fairly with American shootings, I excluded attacks that might be better classified as struggles over sovereignty. For instance, I did not count the 22 people killed in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo last month.

Norway had the highest annual death rate, with 2 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14, and the Czech Republic 0.13. The US comes in No. 8 with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates."

[ChumpDumper]

462 deaths from mass shootings in 2015 so far in the USA.Mass pellet gun terror deaths.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Must I keep re-quoting the article or can you read it for yourself?

"Let’s look at mass public shootings from 2009 to the middle of June this year. To compare fairly with American shootings, I excluded attacks that might be better classified as struggles over sovereignty. For instance, I did not count the 22 people killed in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo last month.

Norway had the highest annual death rate, with 2 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14, and the Czech Republic 0.13. The US comes in No. 8 with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates."

We've got a ways to go if we want to be the #1 first world country on the list

[ChumpDumper]

Must I keep re-quoting the article or can you read it for yourself?

"Let’s look at mass public shootings from 2009 to the middle of June this year. To compare fairly with American shootings, I excluded attacks that might be better classified as struggles over sovereignty. For instance, I did not count the 22 people killed in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo last month.

Norway had the highest annual death rate, with 2 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14, and the Czech Republic 0.13. The US comes in No. 8 with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates."So do mass shootings happen every day in these places or not?

And lol Norway. Again with the disingenuous omission -- two attacks in 2011 resulted in 77 deaths. Now you an your hero are trying to tell us Norway is more dangerous than the US.

[ChumpDumper]

We've got a ways to go if we want to be the #1 first world country on the listDo mass shootings occur in those countries every day?

Yes or no.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Do mass shootings occur in those countries every day?

Yes or no.

Adjusted for America’s much larger population yes. Obama made the comment not you, no need to get defensive.

Have a nice evening!

[ChumpDumper]

Adjusted for America’s much larger population yes.The correct answer is no.

Mass shootings do not happen in these countries ever day.

Days are not adjusted for population.

[MultiTroll]

I know we are not supposed to reveal any identifying information about other poster(s), and i fully adhere and support that.

That having been said, how do y'all speculate the view would be if the two were on a point/counterpoint t.v. show?

TSA and Chumpumper square off on San Bernadino tonight at 6:
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/02/02/0202-giovanni-ribisi-agyness-deyn-divorce-tmz-4.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So do mass shootings happen every day in these places or not?

And lol Norway. Again with the disingenuous omission -- two attacks in 2011 resulted in 77 deaths. Now you an your hero are trying to tell us Norway is more dangerous than the US.

I normally don't read their stuff but that biasing out of politically related events is unjustified. Why on Earth would we NOT want to include domestic terrorists? You cannot trust them to use stats. I don't know if they lie or are just stupid but that dataset is complete cherry picked bullshit.

[ChumpDumper]

I know we are not supposed to reveal any identifying information about other poster(s), and i fully adhere and support that.

That having been said, how do y'all speculate the view would be if the two were on a point/counterpoint t.v. show?

TSA and Chumpumper square off on San Bernadino tonight at 6:
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/02/02/0202-giovanni-ribisi-agyness-deyn-divorce-tmz-4.jpgEdgy.

[MultiTroll]

Edgy.
Edgy :rollin
lol

[MultiTroll]

A Hannity and Combs type situation. :lol

Chumpie and TSA, tonight at 8.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV3lWha_AwBiNeceBRTq1atCgBIvM73 Cnvr8n73glju5wLqk3Fhttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrO9OsbzVgMm8tpNkYGSVRDQdO_1uAi l48YFTUUgU-i_DrsrWX

[spurraider21]

What do you propose?
I think the rest of the country could follow some of California's model, limiting how many guns you can purchase in a period of time, for instance. Waiting period is a good idea to make federal. They could also eliminate the gun show loophole, where background checks are often not required. Background checks could also be made more comprehensive to include mental health red flags. Perhaps like driving, there should be a test to acquire a gun license.

There will always be holes and ways for people to get guns, but I think it's a good idea for some more regulation.

But you don't think we need tighter control. It's fine to have disagreements, I guess.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

I can't believe some of you guys still want more Muslims to come to this country. What is it about Islam you don't get? They hate jews execute fags, make their women cover themselves from head to toe when outside. If they even suspect they're getting cucked they can bury their wife up to her neck, invite the whole town over to throw rocks at her head until she dies. All they do is pray, the only music they listen to is church songs, no alcohol, no pork, theyre like the fun police any country they immigrate to in a substantial number people die because they don't follow Islam.

Muslims are so fucked up their number 1 enemy is themselves sunni vs Shia. There are Muslims on this board you can ask questions about Islam to like Ghazi. You know fellow Mavkrew member Ghazi, that Iranian Muslim living in Ohio. Ask Ghazi what is the punishment for leaving Islam

[ChumpDumper]

A Hannity and Combs type situation. :lol

Chumpie and TSA, tonight at 8.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV3lWha_AwBiNeceBRTq1atCgBIvM73 Cnvr8n73glju5wLqk3Fhttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrO9OsbzVgMm8tpNkYGSVRDQdO_1uAi l48YFTUUgU-i_DrsrWXEdgy.

[ChumpDumper]

I think the rest of the country could follow some of California's model, limiting how many guns you can purchase in a period of time, for instance. Waiting period is a good idea to make federal. They could also eliminate the gun show loophole, where background checks are often not required. Background checks could also be made more comprehensive to include mental health red flags. Perhaps like driving, there should be a test to acquire a gun license.

There will always be holes and ways for people to get guns, but I think it's a good idea for some more regulation.

But you don't think we need tighter control. It's fine to have disagreements, I guess.That's why it won't work.

The time to do this was like in the 60s when they started selling assault weapons to civilians. Too late now.

[Splits]

blocked.

They need to shore up that list for something like this to have a chance, way to vague as currently constructed.


I love how you're so concerned about these poor innocent people not being allowed to own a gun but apparently don't give a shit about them not being able to fly.

[spurraider21]

That's why it won't work.

The time to do this was like in the 60s when they started selling assault weapons to civilians. Too late now.
We can still take actions to limit future tragedies, even if they won't be eliminated.

But you'd prefer to cry over spilt milk and do nothing further.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The correct answer is no.

Mass shootings do not happen in these countries ever day.

Days are not adjusted for population.
To your question yes I agree.

Was Obama correct in his claim that this just doesn't happen in other 1st world countries?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I love how you're so concerned about these poor innocent people not being allowed to own a gun but apparently don't give a shit about them not being able to fly.
My concern for them not being able to get a gun automatically makes me concerned they aren't able to fly dipshit.

These amendments were DOA being attached to a bill to repeal Obamacare, nothing more than Dems wanting to say they tried but the big bad NRA stopped them.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Looks like he was beefing with his Jewish coworker but decided to go full alohah snackbar

http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/california-massacre-victim-ranted-about-muslims-on-facebook/

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_49/1326481/151203-nicholas-thalasinos-mbm_bdd1e91f4a17b5ab29dc2cd7850a0c66.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gDuqD9W.jpg

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's why it won't work.

The time to do this was like in the 60s when they started selling assault weapons to civilians. Too late now.

Handguns are the problem not rifles.

[TheSanityAnnex]

A Hannity and Combs type situation. :lol

Chumpie and TSA, tonight at 8.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV3lWha_AwBiNeceBRTq1atCgBIvM73 Cnvr8n73glju5wLqk3Fhttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrO9OsbzVgMm8tpNkYGSVRDQdO_1uAi l48YFTUUgU-i_DrsrWX

Could very well be me in 15 years and you pretty much nailed Chump. Well done.

[ChumpDumper]

We can still take actions to limit future tragedies, even if they won't be eliminated.

But you'd prefer to cry over spilt milk and do nothing further.Nah, you're way won't work.

Sorry.

You can cry over future tragedies.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszcafclex.png


det vetting process at work

[ChumpDumper]

To your question yes I agree.

Was Obama correct in his claim that this just doesn't happen in other 1st world countries?I don't know precisely what he was talking about.

Do you?


Handguns are the problem not rifles.the time for any real control was back then, guns and rifles.

And were rifles not used in this last shooting?


Could very well be me in 15 years and you pretty much nailed Chump. Well done.So now you claim to know what I look like?

Back up your claim.

[ChumpDumper]

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszcafclex.png


det vetting process at workIs this the only vetting all Syrians will go through?

Yes or no.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I think the rest of the country could follow some of California's model, limiting how many guns you can purchase in a period of time, for instance. Waiting period is a good idea to make federal. They could also eliminate the gun show loophole, where background checks are often not required. Background checks could also be made more comprehensive to include mental health red flags. Perhaps like driving, there should be a test to acquire a gun license.

There will always be holes and ways for people to get guns, but I think it's a good idea for some more regulation.

But you don't think we need tighter control. It's fine to have disagreements, I guess.
Our strict laws didn't stop anything in San Bernardino and we aren't near the bottom of the list in gun crime either. But I do not have any problem going national with your ideas either.

[spurraider21]

Our strict laws didn't stop anything in San Bernardino and we aren't near the bottom of the list in gun crime either. But I do not have any problem going national with your ideas either.
well aware they won't stop everything. but can they prevent some? i think so.

[spurraider21]

Nah, you're way won't work.

Sorry.

You can cry over future tragedies.
So lets just cry over spilt milk. Much better.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't know precisely what he was talking about.

Do you?:lol


the time for any real control was back then, guns and rifles.

And were rifles not used in this last shooting?you specified assault rifles, 1%? of gun murders isn't a large problem.


So now you claim to know what I look like?

Back up your claim.Well you just shaved after Movember so that picture isn't totally accurate.

[ChumpDumper]

So lets just cry over spilt milk. Much better.Not crying. Just saying it's too late.

You have to change the constitution one way or another to be really effective.

[ChumpDumper]

:lolThat's not an answer.


you specified assault rifles, 1%? of gun murders isn't a large problem.I said when they became available, genius. You really don't know anything anyone is talking about.


Well you just shaved after Movember so that picture isn't totally accurate.More bullshit.

Why do you have to make shit up about everything you post?

[TheSanityAnnex]

well aware they won't stop everything. but can they prevent some? i think so.

Sure, but there also states with very lax gun laws and very low gun crime. Demographics, poverty, education are better indicators of gun crime than laws on the books.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's not an answer.im laughing at you saying you didn't know precisely what he was talking about. It's a weak cop out.


I said when they became available, genius. You really don't know anything anyone is talking about.If they were never made available how would gun control have been different and how would handgun murders have been any different?


More bullshit.

Why do you have to make shit up about everything you post? Sorry I had assumed you shaved.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I can't believe some of you guys still want more Muslims to come to this country. What is it about Islam you don't get? They hate jews execute fags, make their women cover themselves from head to toe when outside. If they even suspect they're getting cucked they can bury their wife up to her neck, invite the whole town over to throw rocks at her head until she dies. All they do is pray, the only music they listen to is church songs, no alcohol, no pork, theyre like the fun police any country they immigrate to in a substantial number people die because they don't follow Islam.

Muslims are so fucked up their number 1 enemy is themselves sunni vs Shia. There are Muslims on this board you can ask questions about Islam to like Ghazi. You know fellow Mavkrew member Ghazi, that Iranian Muslim living in Ohio. Ask Ghazi what is the punishment for leaving Islam

If they are true to Islam they are not compatible here.

[MultiTroll]

Could very well be me in 15 years and you pretty much nailed Chump. Well done.
:lol :toast
I had this younger actor in mind for you but am drawing a brain drain on his name.
Was in a movie this past year with all kinds of *name* actor and actresses. P.I. that lived near the beach, investigating a murder, early 1970s setting. It bombed. It will come to me.

[ChumpDumper]

im laughing at you saying you didn't know precisely what he was talking about. It's a weak cop out. OK, tell me precisely what he was talking about. I've already asked you.


If they were never made available how would gun control have been different and how would handgun murders have been any different?Who said I wanted to completely stop their availability. You really don't know anything anyone is talking about. no wonder you dodged my question above.


Sorry I had assumed you shaved.Why do you have to make shit up about everything you post?

[mingus]

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszcafclex.png


det vetting process at work

To be fair--I've stated my skepticism and the reasons for it of the vetting process quite a bit, so I'm far from the blind optimists some on this forum are--I'm pretty sure the vetting in her type situation is less thorough. But, I could be wrong. Personally, I'm curious as to how the two processes compare. They may in fact not be so different. If they aren't, then it's worrisome.

[MultiTroll]

Farook and Tasheen (or maybe just Tasheen alone) dropped their 6 month old baby off at Grammys before going on their murder spree.

Qs.
1. Did Grammy know anything about their terrorist tendencies or plans?
2. If Grammy did not know, how on earth does the mother not tip off any tells as she drops off baby for the last time?

[TheSanityAnnex]

To be fair--I've stated my skepticism and the reasons for it of the vetting process quite a bit, so I'm far from the blind optimists some on this forum are--I'm pretty sure the vetting in her type situation is less thorough. But, I could be wrong. Personally, I'm curious as to how the two processes compare. They may in fact not be so different. If they aren't, then it's worrisome.
I'm not keen on the differences either but I'd expect a counterterrorism screening to be pretty damn thorough. ChumpDumper is a proclaimed expert I'm sure he can help us out.

[ChumpDumper]

Farook and Tasheen (or maybe just Tasheen alone) dropped their 6 month old baby off at Grammys before going on their murder spree.

Qs.
1. Did Grammy know anything about their terrorist tendencies or plans?There is no requirement for relatives to know about the criminal/terrorist tendencies of other relatives.

2. If Grammy did not know, how on earth does the mother not tip off any tells as she drops off baby for the last time?By acting like nothing is wrong.

[TheSanityAnnex]

OK, tell me precisely what he was talking about. I've already asked you.

Who said I wanted to completely stop their availability. You really don't know anything anyone is talking about. no wonder you dodged my question above.

Why do you have to make shit up about everything you post?

You get so worked up so easily. More than usual this week. Why don't we start fresh. What do you think Obama was talking about when he said this just doesn't happen in other countries.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not keen on the differences either but I'd expect a counterterrorism screening to be pretty damn thorough. ChumpDumper is a proclaimed expert I'm sure he can help us out.OK, link to where I claimed to be an expert.

Now, please.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Farook and Tasheen (or maybe just Tasheen alone) dropped their 6 month old baby off at Grammys before going on their murder spree.

Qs.
1. Did Grammy know anything about their terrorist tendencies or plans?
2. If Grammy did not know, how on earth does the mother not tip off any tells as she drops off baby for the last time?
Bye Grammy off to glue together more pieces of my sprinkler set

[ChumpDumper]

You get so worked up so easily. More than usual this week. Why don't we start fresh. What do you think Obama was talking about when he said this just doesn't happen in other countries.I said I don't know precisely. It could be one of several things.

I asked you what you think was talking about precisely. You dodged.

I am asking you again.

What do you think he was talking about precisely?

Please do not dodge the question again.

[TheSanityAnnex]

OK, link to where I claimed to be an expert.

Now, please.
Sorry. Well informed.

So tell mingus and me the difference in vetting between a DHS counterterrorism screening and Syrian refugee screening.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I said I don't know precisely. It could be one of several things.

I asked you what you think was talking about precisely. You dodged.

I am asking you again.

What do you think he was talking about precisely?

Please do not dodge the question again.
Let's just pretend he was talking about mass shootings. Would he have been correct in his claim?

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry. Well informed. I said better informed that you.

Which was proved.


So tell mingus and me the difference in vetting between a DHS counterterrorism screening and Syrian refugee screening.Now you're talking for other posters.

Disingenuous.

DHS is only one of many entities that vet the Syrian refugees. Were it only one DHS screening, I would be more concerned.

[spurraider21]

Not crying. Just saying it's too late.

You have to change the constitution one way or another to be really effective.
Crying over spilt milk is an expression. And it's exactly what you're doing here.

[MultiTroll]

Bye Grammy off to glue together more pieces of my sprinkler set
I mean is she so brainwashed that as the mother of a 6 month old baby she can just calmly drop the baby off?
No human attachment whatsoever?

Or do UnIslamic Radical chicks think they will be sent off to 72 studs like their male counterparts? She figures she will see the baby again when Abuck Allobar resurrects them to Radical Paradise?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I said better informed that you.

Which was proved.

Now you're talking for other posters.

Disingenuous.
Yes better informed than me. So tell me the difference in vetting between a DHS counterterrorism screening and Syrian refugee screening.


mingus if you are reading this pay attention, class is in session

[ChumpDumper]

Crying over spilt milk is an expression. And it's exactly what you're doing here.I'm simply saying what happened.

If you want my opinion, don't cry when I give it to you. That's exactly what you are doing here.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes better informed than me. So tell me the difference in vetting between a DHS counterterrorism screening and Syrian refugee screening.


mingus if you are reading this pay attention, class is in session I just did.

You didn't pay attention.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I just did.

You didn't pay attention.
I asked you what the difference was you never answered and just asked another question per par. So what's the difference? Serious question.

[HI-FI]

I mean is she so brainwashed that as the mother of a 6 month old baby she can just calmly drop the baby off?
No human attachment whatsoever?

Or do UnIslamic Radical chicks think they will be sent off to 72 studs like their male counterparts? She figures she will see the baby again when Abuck Allobar resurrects them to Radical Paradise?
72 cocks await them iirc, it's a veritable bukkake.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I just did.

You didn't pay attention.
Sneaky SOB you went with a quick edit :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Sneaky SOB you went with a quick edit :lolI edit a lot. It's not meant to trip others up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

DHS is only one of many entities that vet the Syrian refugees. Were it only one DHS screening, I would be more concerned.
So everyone Middle Easterner not from Syria only goes through the DHS screening?

[ChumpDumper]

I mean is she so brainwashed that as the mother of a 6 month old baby she can just calmly drop the baby off?
No human attachment whatsoever?

Or do UnIslamic Radical chicks think they will be sent off to 72 studs like their male counterparts? She figures she will see the baby again when Abuck Allobar resurrects them to Radical Paradise?People can be really cold. Even mothers.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Let's just pretend he was talking about mass shootings. Would he have been correct in his claim?

[ChumpDumper]

So everyone Middle Easterner not from Syria only goes through the DHS screening?They certainly don't go through the same screening the Syrian refugees do. That would take 1.5 to 2 years. I don't think that's practical.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They certainly don't go through the same screening the Syrian refugees do. That would take 1.5 to 2 years. I don't think that's practical.
That's concerning.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's just pretend he was talking about mass shootings. Would he have been correct in his claim?just mass shootings? No.

Daily mass shootings? Yes.

There was another mass shooting in Georgia yesterday everyone missed. That's how ridiculous things have gotten.

[ChumpDumper]

That's concerning.So do you think every person coming into the US should go through a 1.5-2 year process?

[TheSanityAnnex]

just mass shootings? No.

Daily mass shootings? Yes.

There was another mass shooting in Georgia yesterday everyone missed. That's how ridiculous things have gotten.
Chicago has mass shootings on an almost daily basis. Not sexy enough to hear about though.

Doesnt look like mass shootings are going away anytime soon so at what point do you accept that and arm yourself or are they not a big enough problem to do that yet?

[Splits]

My concern for them not being able to get a gun automatically makes me concerned they aren't able to fly dipshit.

No it doesn't. I must have missed all you posts on the topic before it was related to gun control.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So do you think every person coming into the US should go through a 1.5-2 year process?
Muslims? Fuck yes.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No it doesn't. I must have missed all you posts on the topic before it was related to gun control.
It does by default dipshit.

[boutons_deux]

Repug Senators, whores for NRA/gun industry $Ms, vote down gun control today.

[ChumpDumper]

America has mass shootings on an almost daily basis. Not sexy enough to hear about that though.fixed.


Doesnt look like mass shootings are going away anytime soon so at what point do you accept that and arm yourself or are they not a big enough problem to do that yet?Not for me. 22 mass shootings in Texas this year.

None within 100 miles of me.

Just lucky I guess.

[ChumpDumper]

Muslims? Fuck yes.Ah, a religion test. What if they just say they aren't Muslim or converted?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Repug Senators, whores for NRA/gun industry $Ms, vote down gun control today.

:lol called it


These amendments were DOA being attached to a bill to repeal Obamacare, nothing more than Dems wanting to say they tried but the big bad NRA stopped them.


why did your Dems attach it to a bill that was DOA?

[TheSanityAnnex]

fixed.

Not for me. 22 mass shootings in Texas this year.

None within 100 miles of me.

Just lucky I guess.
I don't live around a gang infested area either so I'm not worried either :bobo

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Other than liberals getting happy feels for how multicultural and or diverse our country is can anyone tell me any benefits Muslim immigrants bring to this country? What am I missing here that they bring that we can't be without?

Their food sucks, the women wear ghost costumes so you can't even tell if they're hot, and they won't date you because their relatives will kill them if they do. We don't need them for cheap labor, there's 11+ million Mexicans for that. They're not smart like whites, jews, or orientals so they're not filling openings in STEM jobs. They can't dunk or throw or catch TD passes?

What are they good for? Why do they need to be here?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't live around a gang infested area either so I'm not worried either :boboSo why are you packing?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Ah, a religion test. What if they just say they aren't Muslim or converted?


We can make them eat a piece of ham or bacon

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ah, a religion test. What if they just say they aren't Muslim or converted?
Fuck their Taqiyya still waiting

[ChumpDumper]

We can make them eat a piece of ham or baconThey can just say they are vegan.

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck their Taqiyya still waiting So the ones who actually are Christian must be lying.

And the three million already here?

Test them too?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So why are you packing?
The same reason you wear a seatbelt and lock your door at night.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So the ones who actually are Christian must be lying.

And the three million already here?

Test them too?
Nothing to do about the one's here can't deport them.

[ChumpDumper]

The same reason you wear a seatbelt and lock your door at night.So you are worried about being shot.

I'm not.

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing to do about the one's here can't deport them.Why not?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you are worried about being shot.

I'm not.
Not worried at all just part of a routine. I don't drive around all day worried I'll get in an accident either but I wear a seatbelt. Not worried about my house being broken into but I lock my doors at night. Not worried about chapped lips yet I always have chapstick on me.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why not?
They are here legally.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Chump you still haven't said what Muslims can contribute to this country that other immigrants can't so what is it they do exactly thats so special?

[ChumpDumper]

Not worried at all just part of a routine. I don't drive around all day worried I'll get in an accident either but I wear a seatbelt. Not worried about my house being broken into but I lock my doors at night. Not worried about chapped lips yet I always have chapstick on me.Great, you think you are as likely to get shot as you are to get chapped lips.


They are here legally.So? Obviously they are a threat because yesterday.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump you still haven't said what Muslims can contribute to this country that other immigrants can't so what is it they do exactly thats so special?Why do they have to be special?

It's not like you are doing anything great.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

They are here legally.

Vote Trump to try to change that bro

I'm hoping to volunteer for trumps SS ShitSkin removal units under the command of the honorable general George Zimmerman

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Why do they have to be special?

It's not like you are doing anything great.

Im asking what do they do that's so unique its worth putting American citizens at risk when theres a whole lot of other immigrants that dont follow that religion to choose from

[ChumpDumper]

Im asking what do they do that's so unique its worth putting American citizens at risk when theres a whole lot of other immigrants that dont follow that religion to choose fromIt's not that much of a risk really.

I don't know why you are so terrified.

[HI-FI]

Other than liberals getting happy feels for how multicultural and or diverse our country is can anyone tell me any benefits Muslim immigrants bring to this country? What am I missing here that they bring that we can't be without?

Their food sucks, the women wear ghost costumes so you can't even tell if they're hot, and they won't date you because their relatives will kill them if they do. We don't need them for cheap labor, there's 11+ million Mexicans for that. They're not smart like whites, jews, or orientals so they're not filling openings in STEM jobs. They can't dunk or throw or catch TD passes?

What are they good for? Why do they need to be here?
it is strange. liberal shills on here go crazy about Christian bakers but semen shield Koranimals. I'm not seeing the angles either. btw did M>S get stealth banned or is he on hiatus?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Great, you think you are as likely to get shot as you are to get chapped lips.
i just let my dogs out and took a flashlight, because fear of stepping in dog shit of course. Not everyone thinks like you and you have trouble grasping that what you see as fear others see as prepared.

You never answered if you wear a seatbelt and lock your outside doors when you sleep

[ChumpDumper]

i just let my dogs out and took a flashlight, because fear of stepping in dog shit of course.Of course. That makes sense.
Not everyone thinks like you and you have trouble grasping that what you see as fear others see as prepared.You're afraid to even admit your afraid. So macho.


You never answered if you wear a seatbelt and lock your outside doors when you sleepWe've had this conversation. Yes and not always.

So what are the odds of being shot in any given day?

Must be really high, on the level of break-ins and car wrecks. I'll start packing if you convince me to be afraid -- sorry, you're in your safe place, I mean "concerned" enough about it to be prepared all the time.

[spurraider21]

Great, you think you are as likely to get shot as you are to get chapped lips.
Did he ever say he thought there was an equal likelihood?

[ChumpDumper]

Did he ever say he thought there was an equal likelihood?I asked him what the odds are, so you don't have to get upset on his behalf. He certainly likes to mention them all in the same breath.

Prepare to be shot just like you prepare to not get shit on your shoes.

[spurraider21]

I asked him what the odds are, so you don't have to get upset on his behalf. He certainly likes to mention them all in the same breath.

Prepare to be shot just like you prepare to not get shit on your shoes.
I'm not upset, but it's adorable that you think so. You just made a stupid assumption, is all.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not upset, but it's adorable that you think so.Of course you aren't. Just like he isn't afraid of being shot. You're just doing it to do it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Of course. That makes sense.You're afraid to even admit your afraid. So macho.

We've had this conversation. Yes and not always.

So what are the odds of being shot in any given day?

Must be really high, on the level of break-ins and car wrecks. I'll start packing if you convince me to be afraid -- sorry, you're in your safe place, I mean "concerned" enough about it to be prepared all the time.

Where I live odds are very very very low I'm ever shot or will ever even have to draw. I am very aware of this and carry anyways and it's not out of fear. I'm not here to convince you to carry as you have just stated you would only do so out of fear. I carry because I don't see the reason why not to.

[ChumpDumper]

Where I live odds are very very very low I'm ever shot or will ever even have to draw. I am very aware of this and carry anyways and it's not out of fear. I'm not here to convince you to carry as you have just stated you would only do so out of fear. I carry because I don't see the reason why not to.Jesus, you have dodged basically every question I have asked you today.

Don't ever complain about anyone dodging a question again, hypocrite.

I'm sorry I hurt you by saying you're afraid of being shot. You obviously carry for reason whatsoever and you have not a care in the world.

You're also not afraid of foreign Muslims.

Not at all.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Jesus, you have dodged basically every question I have asked you today.

Don't ever complain about anyone dodging a question again, hypocrite.

I'm sorry I hurt you by saying you're afraid of being shot. You obviously carry for reason whatsoever and you have not a care in the world.

You're also not afraid of foreign Muslims.

Not at all.
The fuck are you about? You asked me one question, what the odds were of being shot on a given day and I said very very very low. Take your midol and relax you uppity bitch.

[ChumpDumper]

The fuck are you about? You asked me one question, what the odds were of being shot on a given day and I said very very very low. Take your midol and relax you uppity bitch.lol so salty.

I'm just wondering why you equate the chances of being shot with the chances of being in a car accident or stepping in shit in your yard.

Seems really stupid and disingenuous.

[TheSanityAnnex]

lol so salty.

I'm just wondering why you equate the chances of being shot with the chances of being in a car accident or stepping in shit in your yard.

Seems really stupid and disingenuous.
Are you really pretending you didn't just meltdown and accuse me of dodging the only question that was asked and then answered? :lol you are having a rough week

I don't pull about a probability chart when I wake up in the morning and decide what to leave the house with. I simply take the things I may need that fit in my pockets. Keys, wallet, firearm, phone, and chapstick. Firearm is smaller than my phone, on in the morning and no thought about until I get home and take it out of the IWB.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/sigp238_zpsef77b129.jpg

Why not?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I FEAR my phone is going to die so I gotta go. Don't forget to lock your doors tonight because....FEAR.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you really pretending you didn't just meltdown and accuse me of dodging the only question that was asked and then answered? :lol you are having a rough week Why would saying you haven't answered several questions be a meltdown. That's regular behavior for you. You're the one who melted down in a flurry of profanity and insults. :lol you are having a rough week.


I don't pull about a probability chart when I wake up in the morning and decide what to leave the house with. I simply take the things I may need that fit in my pockets. Keys, wallet, firearm, phone, and chapstick. Firearm is smaller than my phone, on in the morning and no thought about until I get home and take it out of the IWB.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/sigp238_zpsef77b129.jpg

Why not?Again, you are equating being assaulted with chapped lips. I take about the rough week comment. You're having a rough life if that's the way you think.

Hm, I may need to bl:cryw someone away today.

PS -- It's OK to say you are afraid of something. This is a safe place for you. No one knows who you are.

[spurraider21]

Lol equating

[ChumpDumper]

Lol equatingHow is he not equating the two?

[Splits]

It does by default dipshit.

Never knew you had such sympathy for all those innocent Muslims on the DNF list. Why do you want all those Muslims to be able to buy guns?

[Splits]

Why not?

Can't shoot your dick off with a chapstick. BTW, why are you using FuzzyLumpkins photobucket?

http://i.imgur.com/xq9fur6.png

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol this fucking place

[spurraider21]

:lol splits trying to look up personal info like he did with supremeguy

[Splits]

:lol right-click->open image in new window is "look up personal info"

You're going to make a great ambulance chaser, Mr. Centrist

[SnakeBoy]

lol Fuzzy keeps giving away his trolls with his photobucket account

[spurraider21]

:lol right-click->open image in new window is "look up personal info"

You're going to make a great ambulance chaser, Mr. Centrist
i know it's not hard to do :lol.. but why would you open a picture of tsa's tiny gun in a new window other than trying to identify the photo source/account

[Mal]

Again islam is not to blame. It`s religion of peace. People shouldnt be allowed to own a gun. Can`t report suspicious activity, because could be called a racist.

People died

:lmao Political correctness

[spurraider21]

but on the topic of the shooting, here's my thoughts on the workplace grievance storyline...

i'd understand the angle if the guy got into some big argument at work, and he himself went back in and shot the place up. not that it would be a cool thing to do, but it could happen. but to get pissed off at a work party, go home, get ur wife and be like "hey hun, lets go to my work and just murder a bunch of folks. take the kid over to mom and say ur last goodbye"... why would the wife go along with it (if it was a spur of the moment event triggered by an argument that day).

and in the meantime they had thousands of rounds of ammunition with them, full tactical gear, and pipe bombs (or at least devices meant to look like pipe bombs). i just find it hard to believe it was a workplace grievance thing if the wife was also involved.

i dont buy that the killing happened because of some argument on that specific day

it's possible his workplace grievance was something brewing for a long time, told his wife about it, they planned it, executed it... but then why would it be relevant that he had an argument at work on that specific day. it's a fact that keeps getting emphasized in all the reports, that he got into an argument at work, left, and came back

did the wife also work at the same place? perhaps they had a common vendetta

[spurraider21]

Again islam is not to blame. It`s religion of peace. People shouldnt be allowed to own a gun. Can`t report suspicious activity, because could be called a racist.

People died

:lmao Political correctness
yeah, i read some obscure story about a guy who lived nearby saying he had seen suspicious activity (aka a bunch of muslims at the house) and didnt report it because he didnt want to be considered a bigot. but at the same time, by that logic, wouldn't any muslim family dinner be "suspicious activity" with that kind of standard?

[Mal]

yeah, i read some obscure story about a guy who lived nearby saying he had seen suspicious activity (aka a bunch of muslims at the house) and didnt report it because he didnt want to be considered a bigot. but at the same time, by that logic, wouldn't any muslim family dinner be "suspicious activity" with that kind of standard?

That report said there were some packages brought by those people. Again, what would fucking happend if police just go there and checked if there is anything suspicious ? Islam is literally killing people, but stupid political correctness is making people more afraid of being called racist than killed.

I can`t stop laughing at idiots tweeting about gun control, white terrorist when there was no information about perps. When police revealed that they were muslims with automatic weapons, vest etc, everybody avoid that in articles, videos. When you call thing as they were, you are racist.

Of course there is other side of the story, when there would be people calling police to every muslim family, which wouldn`t end up well in longer period.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Hm, I may need to bl:cryw someone away today.

Slim chance but true.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Never knew you had such sympathy for all those innocent Muslims on the DNF list. Why do you want all those Muslims to be able to buy guns?

Why do you think it is just Muslims wrongly put on the DNF list?

[DarrinS]

I'm pretty sure the workplace violence angle is dead

[TheSanityAnnex]

Can't shoot your dick off with a chapstick.But I can ruin tons of clothing by leaving it in my pocket when I do laundry, which I've done plenty of times. Haven't blown my dick off so chapstick is more of problem currently.






BTW, why are you using FuzzyLumpkins (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2456) photobucket?

http://i.imgur.com/xq9fur6.png :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I'm pretty sure the workplace violence angle is deadDid it not happen at a work function?

[DarrinS]

Did it not happen at a work function?

Wow, that's some serious denial.

[DarrinS]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm pretty sure the workplace violence angle is dead

:cry we're going to lose the biggest contributor to the thread :cry

[TheSanityAnnex]

Did it not happen at a work function?

:lol

[pgardn]

Theoretically I think one could blow their Johnson off with chap stick with the proper projectile launcher. I am led to this conclusion by having shot a Chapstick projectile out of a blow dart gun. Chapstick containers happen to fit very snugly.

5 m away from target wall Chapstick shot horizontally off a 1m platform. The Chapstick fell approximately 0.17 m averaging multiple trials. Chapstick was replaced and target made softer as Chapstick exploded against wall a number of times.

Thats about 25 m/s with a crappy blow dart gun. You do the physics and math. That's a big projectile hitting soft tissue going pretty fast. A longer gun with a better fit... Ouch.

[Splits]

Why do you think it is just Muslims wrongly put on the DNF list?

I didn't say "just" Muslims. But I'd be willing to bet they're well represented considering they have been under mass surveillance the past 14 years.

[spurraider21]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
well then...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol Fuzzy keeps giving away his trolls with his photobucket account

Yes yes those are my trolls. . . .

[TheSanityAnnex]

Theoretically I think one could blow their Johnson off with chap stick with the proper projectile launcher. I am led to this conclusion by having shot a Chapstick projectile out of a blow dart gun. Chapstick containers happen to fit very snugly.

5 m away from target wall Chapstick shot horizontally off a 1m platform. The Chapstick fell approximately 0.17 m averaging multiple trials. Chapstick was replaced and target made softer as Chapstick exploded against wall a number of times.

Thats about 25 m/s with a crappy blow dart gun. You do the physics and math. That's a big projectile hitting soft tissue going pretty fast. A longer gun with a better fit... Ouch.

And I thought I was the only one with an interest in chapstick ballistics.

Have you ever tinkered with rifling the barrel?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just think it's hilarious that I haven't been here really for some time and yet these fuckwits are doing the Single White Female routine. :lol I guess I made an impression.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, that's some serious denial.Denial of what?

I said it was both workplace violence and terrorism earlier than you started your snark machine.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why haven't they released a picture of the dead bitch yet?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Denial of what?

I said it was both workplace violence and terrorism earlier than you started your snark machine.

Darrin doesn't understand mutually exclusive either. He's a UTSA engineering graduate. I've asked him about some of the lower order math stuff and he has no idea. Asking about multivariable calculus you might as well ask him to admit he is wrong.

That's the rub. If he had said he went to a good school it would be obvious he is lying but he didn't so we have to wonder if the degree he claims to have really is that worthless.

[DarrinS]

Darrin doesn't understand mutually exclusive either. He's a UTSA engineering graduate. I've asked him about some of the lower order math stuff and he has no idea. Asking about multivariable calculus you might as well ask him to admit he is wrong.

That's the rub. If he had said he went to a good school it would be obvious he is lying but he didn't so we have to wonder if the degree he claims to have really is that worthless.

UTSA smack? I'm wounded. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

UTSA smack? I'm wounded. :lol

Like I said, it's one or the other and the smack wasn't so much about the school as it is your ability. I believe you misrepresent. Calling you duplicitous over and again should have been a clue.

[spurraider21]

lol... it's clearly workplace violence when en employee shoots up his own place of work. it just describes the location of the attack

the question i was referring to previous page was about motive. on the day of the attack, some thought it was terrorirsm, some thought it was due to workplace grievances (suspect reportedly got into some argument/dispute at work).

the workplace grievance theory isn't really supported by any other findings though. based on what i'm reading, she "pledged her allegiance" to isis but we aren't sold she was contacted back by them or specifically instructed. self-radicalized

[DarrinS]

Like I said, it's one or the other and the smack wasn't so much about the school as it is your ability. I believe you misrepresent. Calling you duplicitous over and again should have been a clue.

Your internet burns are strong. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

lol... it's clearly workplace violence when en employee shoots up his own place of work. it just describes the location of the attack

the question i was referring to previous page was about motive. on the day of the attack, some thought it was terrorirsm, some thought it was due to workplace grievances (suspect reportedly got into some argument/dispute at work).

the workplace grievance theory isn't really supported by any other findings thoughDoesn't seem like he liked his coworkers though, does it? Gotta be some reason they started there.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That the 'law school student' doesn't get mutually exclusive either is amusing.

[DarrinS]

That the 'law school student' doesn't get mutually exclusive either is amusing.

If only we were as smart as you. :cry

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your internet burns are strong. :lol

You miss the point. I don't give a shit what you think. I'm more interested in no one taking you seriously. I don't see anyone taking you seriously do you? Even WC stays away from agreeing with you and you guys are like two peas in a pod.

You really aren't too bright. I'm not here for the same reason as you dipshit.

[spurraider21]

Doesn't seem like he liked his coworkers though, does it?
coworkers have said they never had any issues with him or sensed he had issues. maybe they just thought they'd be easier targets, and familiarity with the area would be to their benefit. we dont know. i dont think the 9/11 attackers had personal vendettas with the specific people on those planes

there's going to be more info coming out as time goes by, but at this time i dont think evidence supports the grievance angle... else why would the wife be so involved?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Doesn't seem like he liked his coworkers though, does it? Gotta be some reason they started there.

Sure. He knew there were a decent amount of people there he could kill, he knew the building layout, he knew the room was unsecure, and he knew he'd have a good chance of making it to a getaway vehicle.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol @ the media saying the California bullet buttons (which lock the quick mag release) can be pressed to make the gun full auto :rollin

[TheSanityAnnex]

Zk4Wc8o75zU

:rollin

[ChumpDumper]

coworkers have said they never had any issues with him or sensed he had issues. maybe they just thought they'd be easier targets, and familiarity with the area would be to their benefit. we dont know. i dont think the 9/11 attackers had personal vendettas with the specific people on those planesDid they all work for the airlines?

Jesus, what a failure of an analogy.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure. He knew there were a decent amount of people there he could kill, he knew the building layout, he knew the room was unsecure, and he knew he'd have a good chance of making it to a getaway vehicle.So no other reason.

Nice speculation.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://threatknowledge.org/isis-threat-to-usa-report/

[vy65]

lol... it's clearly workplace violence when en employee shoots up his own place of work. it just describes the location of the attack


That the 'law school student' doesn't get mutually exclusive either is amusing.

That you don't get it is predictable.

[Winehole23]

Zk4Wc8o75zU

:rollinThe whole nation has strict laws about making and owning bombs. It didn't stop these guys.

Therefore bomb control doesn't work.

[Winehole23]

Criminals do not follow laws, therefore, laws are useless.

[Splits]

Why haven't they released a picture of the dead bitch yet?

Beekeeper suit.

[Cry Havoc]

Just checking in. Has praying fixed the problem yet?

[spurraider21]

Did they all work for the airlines?

Jesus, what a failure of an analogy.
The analogy was meant to show that it's not necessarily a personal hatred and desire to kill those specific people. Maybe it was just an easier target because of familiarity of the building and area.

[spurraider21]

Just checking in. Has praying fixed the problem yet?
whining about praying isn't fixing anything either. i dont think anybody has claimed praying will fix the problem.

[Cry Havoc]

whining about praying isn't fixing anything either. i dont think anybody has claimed praying will fix the problem.

Weird, since that's literally the ENTIRE solution the GOP has for gun violence. Pray until it gets better. That's it.

[SupremeGuy]

These pedophile worshiping savages pledged allegiance to ISIS and some of you faggots still can't admit that it was terrorism? Holy shit you're fucking blind and/or stupid. Probably both.

[Mal]

whining about praying isn't fixing anything either. i dont think anybody has claimed praying will fix the problem.

Did you try flowers and candles ?

[hater]

BREAKING NEWS: Islamic State publication says followers of group carried out California attacks

[spurraider21]

Weird, since that's literally the ENTIRE solution the GOP has for gun violence. Pray until it gets better. That's it.
is there a link to republican saying praying is going to fix gun violence

[SupremeGuy]

is there a link to republican saying praying is going to fix gun violenceBut but it was on a magazine cover :cry

[ChumpDumper]

These pedophile worshiping savages pledged allegiance to ISIS and some of you faggots still can't admit that it was terrorism? Holy shit you're fucking blind and/or stupid. Probably both.
Who said it wasn't terrorism?

[SupremeGuy]

Who said it wasn't terrorism?Anyone that's trying to also make it a mix of other factors. It was islamic terrorism, plain and simple. Agree?

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/syed-farook-wife-tashfeen-radicalized-report-article-1.2455213


picture of her taking a nap

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2455424.1449250369%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/article-license-1204.jpg


Mother?

[TheSanityAnnex]

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/667371059885301761


:lmao that third comment

[tlongII]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/syed-farook-wife-tashfeen-radicalized-report-article-1.2455213


picture of her taking a nap

Nice pic! She looks so peaceful...

[Trill Clinton]

why are they in their apartment?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So how did the landlord and film crew just get inside the crime scene?

[TheSanityAnnex]

why are they in their apartment?
yeah wtf is going on?

[Winehole23]

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/12/what-the-hell-just-happened-on-msnbc/418893/

[Trill Clinton]

672855452795834368

police need to tighten up. no way the landlord should have been able to get behind police lines.

[Winehole23]

In particular, the networks were criticized for airing personal information about the shooters' living relatives -- including an un-blurred driver's license under the name Rafia Farook, who is Farook's mother -- potentially putting them at risk.

MSNBC also speculated that photographs of a woman found in the apartment could be Malik, showing the photos on the live broadcast without verifying they were actually her.

[TheSanityAnnex]

672855452795834368

police need to tighten up. no way the landlord should have been able to get behind police lines.

media should have been escorted away by law enforcement as well.

<tinfoil hat> evidence has been contaminated no link to terrorism <tinfoil hat>

[Winehole23]

However, an NBC spokeswoman said the tour was approved by the FBI

[TheSanityAnnex]

FBI just said terrorism, he must have forgotten to say workplace violence.

[ChumpDumper]

Anyone that's trying to also make it a mix of other factors. It was islamic terrorism, plain and simple. Agree?So no one said it wasn't terrorism.

Thanks.

[TheSanityAnnex]

WTF? :rollin

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2577638/

Dems to worship at mosque with ties to terrorism


A handful of House Democrats will meet early Friday afternoon at the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, a Northern Virginia mosque that has controversial ties to terrorists who have engaged in terrorist acts against the United States.
For example, it was widely reported that some of the Sept. 11, 2001 hijackers attended the mosque, and that Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan worshipped there.
Anwar al-Awlaki, who the U.S. government believes was a recruiter for Islamic terrorists, was an imam, or a prayer leader, at the mosque.
Still, Democratic Reps. Don Beyer of Virginia, Keith Ellison of Minnesota, and Joe Crowley of New York said praying at the mosque will help demonstrate that Congress stands against incidents of violence against Muslims.

[Pelicans78]

WTF? :rollin

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2577638/

Dems to worship at mosque with ties to terrorism


A handful of House Democrats will meet early Friday afternoon at the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, a Northern Virginia mosque that has controversial ties to terrorists who have engaged in terrorist acts against the United States.
For example, it was widely reported that some of the Sept. 11, 2001 hijackers attended the mosque, and that Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan worshipped there.
Anwar al-Awlaki, who the U.S. government believes was a recruiter for Islamic terrorists, was an imam, or a prayer leader, at the mosque.
Still, Democratic Reps. Don Beyer of Virginia, Keith Ellison of Minnesota, and Joe Crowley of New York said praying at the mosque will help demonstrate that Congress stands against incidents of violence against Muslims.

It's one thing if the terrorist guys were randomly praying there, but if an imam has a link to terrorist activities and the center didn't do anything about it, then that's a huge problem.

[DarrinS]

Yeah, wtf?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niSDaLR7vKI

[Winehole23]

info about Awlaki is easy to find, if you're really interested

[Splits]

It's one thing if the terrorist guys were randomly praying there, but if an imam has a link to terrorist activities and the center didn't do anything about it, then that's a huge problem.

The same imam that had dinner at the Pentagon after 9/11?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I have no clue how the FBI runs their investigations but how did they finish so soon at the residence? Lanza and Holmes houses were investigated for weeks.