2016 NBA Trade Deadline

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol have to give Tom Rivers some credit for the audacity to offer Blake for every good player on Denver's roster, tbh..

I hope they trade him, though..he has been a matchup nightmare for the Spurs..getting deeper helps them against everybody else, but not vs. the Spurs and maybe not vs. the Warriors, as well..

[cjw]

The team is all the sudden turning into an offensive juggernaut now that Green is shooting well, and it just goes right past you. I don't have to defend Green's importance to the team, as he has put in five years of starting to do that. But the Spurs are one light without him, and they probably don't even get LMA this season without his production.

No one in their right mind thinks Green didn't start off the year poorly. But just as many people should understand how different the Spurs are when he's playing well.


Boris Diaw doesn't need to go anywhere. He's way too versatile for the Spurs to trade.

We all love Diaw, but he would be expendable with Horford in the fold. Green is 100% necessary (particularly with Manu nearing retirement) given matchups with OKC/GS unless you were to get back an elite wing in a trade. In a GS series, he'd be the third or forth most important guy behind Kawhi, LMA and possibly Parker (ability to penetrate against non-shot blockers / make Curry work on D).

[SpursFan86]

Not gonna lie, in hindsight I really wish the Spurs would've taken Jokic over KA in 2014. Dude is already a monster at 20 years old, and would be a great replacement once Duncan retires. I like KA and think he can be a solid player, but I think Jokic has the potential to be something special.

[Chinook]

Not gonna lie, in hindsight I really wish the Spurs would've taken Jokic over KA in 2014. Dude is already a monster at 20 years old, and would be a great replacement once Duncan retires. I like KA and think he can be a solid player, but I think Jokic has the potential to be something special.

I mean, I wish the Spurs would have traded Blair for the 35th pick in the 2012 draft like they were rumored to be considering. Then, either they get Draymond or at least GS doesn't. I know exactly what you mean about Jokic but Kyle will be legit soon.

[HarlemHeat37]

Nuggets should definitely be a player at the deadline..they need to unload Faried while other teams still believe he's a good player, and they should ship Chandler during the off-season before teams realize he's finished as a starter(it usually takes the majority of teams a few years to realize)..I'd probably give up Nurkic, too, since I assume he still has some prospect value around the league..

Sell high on Gallo, too..

Griffin/Jokic/Mudiay/Barton is a pretty decent core, 1 major piece away, probably..

[SAGirl]

The Clippers reportedly offered Blake Griffin & Lance Stephenson to the Nuggets for Kenneth Faried, Danilo Gallinari, Will Barton, & Nikola Jokic.

Needless to say, Denver turned it down :lol
They are holding on to jokic. He's looked like their best player at times and is just 20 if I am correct. I even think their wanting to move Varied or another non Jokic big is to open opportunities for him. I think they still have Nurkic too who was injured so they need to clean up their big depth. Clippers reaching Jokic is the prize IMO.

[SAGirl]

Not gonna lie, in hindsight I really wish the Spurs would've taken Jokic over KA in 2014. Dude is already a monster at 20 years old, and would be a great replacement once Duncan retires. I like KA and think he can be a solid player, but I think Jokic has the potential to be something special.
I think nobody knew Jokic would turn out to be this good. He was so young. Guys at 18-19 might even still be growing and skilled big men take time. I think with Kyle Spurs valued his passing above all else bc our passers are all old(Timmy, Manu, Diaw, West). We didn't have West then, but he's also old. Elite passing is very underrated in the league and Kyle was a flawed player thus we got him at 30. I think he needed to become a flat out better player than he was in everything else b4 Pop would let him do his thing, but good passing forwards are not a dime a dozen. I mean I wish we would have gotten Gobert too the season b4. The way the Spurs have been stashing picks, we are lucky we even have Kyle and not some Euro player unlikely to ever come over. I think Spurs haven't necessarily been drafting homeruns the last few seasons after Kawhi. Word is Kyle fell to them as it was....

[BillMc]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240799/Ricky-Rubio-Available-Ahead-Of-Trade-Deadline

Don't really trust Isola (also the one reporting that a Whiteside/Dwight trade is being discussed), but it's worth mentioning.

Has Rubio learned to shoot yet? Could even Chip rescue him at this stage?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The Clippers reportedly offered Blake Griffin & Lance Stephenson to the Nuggets for Kenneth Faried, Danilo Gallinari, Will Barton, & Nikola Jokic.

Needless to say, Denver turned it down :lol

I doubt it, but if it's true and Nuggets turned it down they're idiots.

[apalisoc_9]

Denver should have taken Griffin. Start building that winning habit.

[CGD]

We all love Diaw, but he would be expendable with Horford in the fold. Green is 100% necessary (particularly with Manu nearing retirement) given matchups with OKC/GS unless you were to get back an elite wing in a trade. In a GS series, he'd be the third or forth most important guy behind Kawhi, LMA and possibly Parker (ability to penetrate against non-shot blockers / make Curry work on D).

Boban would also be on the outside looking in. I'm in the "sell high" on Boban camp. he might be a good asset to include

[itzsoweezee]

Trading Green makes absolutely no sense. The one position San Antonio gets killed at defensively is point guard. That's where the Spurs need an upgrade.

[BillMc]

The Clippers reportedly offered Blake Griffin & Lance Stephenson to the Nuggets for Kenneth Faried, Danilo Gallinari, Will Barton, & Nikola Jokic.

Needless to say, Denver turned it down :lol

Rumor is Denver's equipment manager was vehemently against it.

[dbestpro]

The only thing to be had to make us better would be better perimeter defenders, which there are none to be had because other that the claw there are none. Not in today's NBA.

[look_at_g_shred]

The only thing to be had to make us better would be better perimeter defenders, which there are none to be had because other that the claw there are none. Not in today's NBA.
I'd kill for Bradley.

[BatManu20]

Rumor is Denver's equipment manager was vehemently against it.

:lol

[coachmac87]

They even talked about the "rumor" on Ticket 760 ��

[SAGirl]

They even talked about the "rumor" on Ticket 760 ��
The rumor might be a legit rumor then????
It would definitely signal Timmy can't play. He returned for that one game against the Magic and wasn't exactly lighting it up... as I said only way the trade makes sense is if Timmy can't play in which case, that combined with Manu's injury and unknown come back game and state would just have accelerated our rebuild. Still we are weak at the PG position and giving up Green who guards elite PG would hurt us. It puts in perspective all the time Pop gave to Simmons having him guard Curry, Irving, Clarkson, etc. He was lit up, but he was getting trained.

[CGD]

They even talked about the "rumor" on Ticket 760 ��

In other words their people troll this thread

[coachmac87]

In other words their people troll this thread

It was the EXACT source/ link TBH. I was cracking up

[BatManu20]

Projected: -2 wins :lol

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[BillMc]

Projected: -2 wins :lol

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:lol

[BatManu20]

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[Darius Bieber]

Spurs ain't ringing this year. I just don't see it. I don't even see them getting past the 2nd round tbh.

Homie Diaz with another truth bomb

[BatManu20]

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[spursistan]

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Woj starting to warm up :lol.

[HarlemHeat37]

Credit to the Hawks for trying to blow their team up, tbh..most teams in the NBA don't realize when their roster is fool's gold and try to compete to no avail for years, wasting years and potential jobs in the front office..

Atlanta is severely lacking in top-tier and role player talent, across the board, there's no point in moving forward with this core, especially if other teams are foolish enough to give up assets for a player like Jeff Teague:lol

[spursistan]

The Hawks looks like they are desperate to move Horford....Bud has been terrible at his GM job allowing that impression to linger, if true..seems like teams are trying to low-ball them..

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[Spurs9]

I have a feeling a bunch of trades will go down. Wonder if tspense can chime in to break the scoop in this thread first tbh

[elemento]

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Typical moronic franchise

Drafted 2 SGs back-to-back with lottery picks and instead of developing them, they prefer to give minutes to James Anderson :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

A ton of talk here about the Raptors getting a PF, mostly talk about Thaddeus Young and Markieff Morris..some of these guys have legit, proven sources, too..

Casey won't use either of them properly, but still an upgrade over Scola/Patterson..

[coachmac87]

Hawks: Green, Diaw +1st

Spurs: Horford, Sefolosha


This will happen last minute of Hawks can't make right move for Horford..

[Join'orDie]

The only reason I would see the Spurs trading for Horford is if the prevailing thought amongst PATFO is that Duncan can no longer go 25 min per the rest of the season. To me it would have to be something major like that for the team to make a drastic change after all the change this past summer. I don't mind trading Diaw, as much as I like the guy, because he has played sub-par as of late and his contract is set up to be very conducive to trades. I also don't mind trading Green because under the new cap he is our most valuable asset (other than Kawhi) and if he can bring back a healthy return it is worth considering.

Now if the trade were Spurs receive: Horford, Korver, Sefolosha
Hawks receive: Diaw, Green, any of the following picks, overseas prospects, Anderson/Boban.

I could get behind this. From an Atlanta perspective they would be saving around 4 million this year. 9 in the summer after they cut Boris. It would also depend on how much Bud values Green and believes he can be a valuable part of their rebuild and is he worth more than Atlanta can get elsewhere. Spurs get Horford in his prime paired with a couple of veteran wings to make a finals push this year and next.

[SAGirl]

Projected: -2 wins :lol

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[HarlemHeat37]

Meh, if this rumor is even legit, it's probably just out there to show teams that the Hawks are having serious discussions elsewhere after teams like Boston lowballed them..

Once teams start getting serious, there are several teams that could offer more enticing offers for Horford than a role player in his physical prime(which doesn't make sense for Atlanta, since they are nowhere near contending), a declining Diaw and a shitty draft pick, even considering any cap savings they would make..

[spursistan]

Credit to the Hawks for trying to blow their team up, tbh..most teams in the NBA don't realize when their roster is fool's gold and try to compete to no avail for years, wasting years and potential jobs in the front office..

Atlanta is severely lacking in top-tier and role player talent, across the board, there's no point in moving forward with this core, especially if other teams are foolish enough to give up assets for a player like Jeff Teague:lol

True..they would be the anti-thesis of Bulls :lol.. it turned out that they just snuck up on historically bad East and were starting to get exposed few weeks before last season playoffs as Korver shooting regressed....How do you see Howard fit there? seems like their current front-line is too undersized for playoff ball..Cleveland absolutely destroyed them on the boards last season..

[HarlemHeat37]

True..they would be the anti-thesis of Bulls :lol.. it turned out that they just snuck up on historically bad East and were starting to get exposed few weeks before last season playoffs as Korver shooting regressed....How do you see Howard fit there? seems like their current front-line is too undersized for playoff ball..Cleveland absolutely destroyed them on the boards last season..

I have no idea how much Howard has left, tbh, despite watching plenty of Rockets ball, this season..

It's difficult to gauge how much of his inconsistency and declining defense is due to effort/team dysfunction vs. deterioration as a player..

[tonight...you]

True..they would be the anti-thesis of Bulls :lol.. it turned out that they just snuck up on historically bad East and were starting to get exposed few weeks before last season playoffs as Korver shooting regressed....How do you see Howard fit there? seems like their current front-line is too undersized for playoff ball..Cleveland absolutely destroyed them on the boards last season..

You and Harlem- what's up with the double periods at the end of every thought?

[HarlemHeat37]

Iman Shumpert is available in a trade, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.

He hasn't played well these days and made just 31.3 percent from the field in February. If he is traded and they Cavs don't get someone back, his minutes would likely go to a combination of J.R. Smith, Matt Dellavedova and maybe even Mo Williams. Shumpert can remain on the wire in almost all leagues.

Green and Diaw for Shumpert?:stirpot:

[spursistan]

I think Riley and the Heat are going to make the biggest splash..you heard him talking about trying "to win now" in the Spurs-Miami game interview ("win now"= ECF realistically :lol)..I would presume two of Whiteside/Dragic/Deng trio will get moved by deadline..

[apalisoc_9]

Green and Diaw for Shumpert?:stirpot:

:lol8

[spursistan]

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[sasaint]

Credit to the Hawks for trying to blow their team up, tbh..most teams in the NBA don't realize when their roster is fool's gold and try to compete to no avail for years, wasting years and potential jobs in the front office..

Atlanta is severely lacking in top-tier and role player talent, across the board, there's no point in moving forward with this core, especially if other teams are foolish enough to give up assets for a player like Jeff Teague:lol

In the context of the trade deadline, Pop's recent comments are pretty intriguing. The Spurs have never knowingly played to be runner up. So, if we accept Pop's comments at face value, how far would the Spurs go to solve the "unsolvable" - especially if Tim's knee is worse than publicly acknowledged? If Tim's knee severely hampers him, are we closer to contender or fool's gold? While the Spurs are usually not very active before the deadline, could this year be different?

[DPG21920]

Why would ORL want to trade Dipo for a player with worse upside in Teague when they already have Peyton?

Seems like the Spurs move when they "made TP available" to prop up Hills value then traded Hill. Maybe Peyton is the real guy they want to move.

[TD 21]

Aldridge is playing best as a center right now. And those guys aren't smaller than Horford is. Ibaka and Noel are much better rim-protectors than Horford as well. LMA is going to be a center going forward, as there just aren't many players who are bigger than him who can play in this league. The best thing the Spurs can do is get the best big to put next to him that they can so teams can't just beat him up inside. You don't turn down a star PF because LMA thinks of himself as a four. That's silly. And they're not concerned with 32-year-old LMA opting out in 2018. Too many things will happen before them.

Offensively. Defensively, points in the paint and defensive rebound percentage, have been issues.

With Aldridge as a full time center, nothing would change. Sure, it could work if he's paired with Ibaka or one of the few who have a similar game, but that's a pipe dream.


At this point, Id rather they find a spacing 4 for next year. Aldridge will probably play center once Duncan retires..

Aldridge clearly didn't put in much work, relatively speaking, last summer. It was obvious not only in his figure, but also his game.

I expect him to re-dedicate himself this summer, both physically and skill wise and to return to the caliber of three-point shooter he was last season.

Even if he doesn't, he's still a superior shooter to Duncan, with similar mobility to Splitter and overall, they more than made that pairing work the previous four seasons.

I suspect they never intend to make Aldridge the starting center. He'll obviously play a good amount of it, but the designation is important to him and as such, they probably have an understanding with him. They also prefer to start traditionally, not only in stature, but in game and his is still more power forward than center.

[NASpurs]

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Heading his way east again, going in a cross-country trip from West to East, impregnatng women along the way. It's all full circle, who knows which team he'll retire at.

[BatManu20]

Heading his way east again, going in a cross-country trip from West to East, impregnatng women along the way. It's all full circle, who knows which team he'll retire at.

:lol

[gambit1990]

parker for horford and schroder:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hbtqpgp

[All Mighty Janitor]

I wouldn't change anything about our team except maybe moving McCallum for a back-up guard with some play making ability(because of Manu's nuts). Last time I checked Greivis Vasquez wasn't playing well for the Bucks. Maybe a change of scenery could do him so good.

[spursistan]

Apparently..Winslow is holding up the potential three way trade between Heat/Rockets/Atlanta that involves among other Horford/Teague/Whiteside/Dwight..Hawks wants him but Riley won't give him up..

[SpursFan86]

Apparently..Winslow is holding up the potential three way trade between Heat/Rockets/Atlanta that involves among other Horford/Teague/Whiteside/Dwight..Hawks wants him but Riley won't give him up..

Not surprising...even though he looks completely worthless offensively right now, he's still only 19 and already shown tremendous defensive potential. Not surprised Miami isn't trying to give him up.

[beirmeistr]

The Spurs aren't really in that position, though..while the Warriors are clearly better than them, the Spurs are still easily the #2 team in the league, and they have a puncher's chance of winning the title..

IMO, even if this Horford rumor was legit(I don't believe it is), it would be a move to keep the window open for the next 3-4 years, rather than this year IMO, considering the team would be losing a massive amount of continuity and chemistry if they give up Green and Diaw..

The Hawks don't even have a puncher's chance of winning the East, tbh..they were much better, last year, and still got swept/destroyed by the Cavs..even if they miraculously won the East, there's absolutely no way they could beat any of the West contenders..they need to trade Teague ASAP, even if they keep Horford..
AsImportant as Diaw was in 2014, I hope the Spurs hold on to Diaw as long as he produces.

[TD 21]

The Horford rumor should obviously be disregarded. Not only is the source not credible, but the trade isn't realistic.

If the Hawks trade him, it's going to be for a stand alone significant piece, not a player that can be a somewhat significant one, in the right context, the likes of which they wouldn't possess.

Also, even though Horford is more of a power forward than a center anyway, this would also leave them without a starting caliber center option, as Splitter is unreliable and might be done for the season. Millsap and Diaw couldn't play much together.

For the Spurs, it wouldn't make short term sense. Not only roster wise, where they'd only tip the balance even more so in favor of bigs to wings, but chemistry wise.

[SpursFan86]

Maybe I'm overestimating the Spurs' "loyalty" (Green took less to stay here, Diaw is a fan favorite and a great locker room guy) and penchant for continuity, but I don't think there's a chance in hell Green/Diaw get moved. I don't see them moving anyone who's that entrenched in the rotation unless it's just an unbelievably lopsided deal that is too good to pass up.

[tbdog]

I like Horford, and he is a spurs like player, however to pay 3 max players for a front court is a pretty bad decision by the front office. And that is exactly what will happen to retain him.

[beirmeistr]

Maybe I'm overestimating the Spurs' "loyalty" (Green took less to stay here, Diaw is a fan favorite and a great locker room guy) and penchant for continuity, but I don't think there's a chance in hell Green/Diaw get moved. I don't see them moving anyone who's that entrenched in the rotation unless it's just an unbelievably lopsided deal that is too good to pass up.

I agree.

[SPURt]

Horford/Korver for Diaw/Green makes no sense. Korver is having bad year like DG, but without the defense. Not to mention Korver is much older.

Horford on paper is a great player but Diaw is so much more versatile as a passer/ball handler/long distance shooter it just doesn't make sense.

The Spurs should only take Korver in any deal with Atlanta and at the most give Kyle and a 2nd rounder for a slumping 34 yr old whose body is breaking down.

[sasaint]

The Spurs aren't really in that position, though..while the Warriors are clearly better than them, the Spurs are still easily the #2 team in the league, and they have a puncher's chance of winning the title..

IMO, even if this Horford rumor was legit(I don't believe it is), it would be a move to keep the window open for the next 3-4 years, rather than this year IMO, considering the team would be losing a massive amount of continuity and chemistry if they give up Green and Diaw..

The Hawks don't even have a puncher's chance of winning the East, tbh..they were much better, last year, and still got swept/destroyed by the Cavs..even if they miraculously won the East, there's absolutely no way they could beat any of the West contenders..they need to trade Teague ASAP, even if they keep Horford..

I agree we are not in the Hawks' position yet. Even so, without a reasonably healthy Duncan, I doubt we even have "a puncher's chance" against GS. Pop's comments could very well be a typical smoke screen. But if they aren't, we might be more willing to shake up things a bit. If Tim's knee won't hold up for the remainder of the season, more suddenly than anticipated, we would have two defensive holes - PG and C. In that case we might be more willing to deal a core piece. As much as I like Horford, I do not believe he is the answer alongside Aldridge.

[BillMc]

I like Horford, and he is a spurs like player, however to pay 3 max players for a front court is a pretty bad decision by the front office. And that is exactly what will happen to retain him.

It'd be a hell of a front court though. Guards are a dime a dozen but good bigs are hard to get a hold of. Easier to replace Danny than Timmy. The question is is it worth reducing our chances of ringing this year to set up our future. Pop and RC gotta make that call.

Hopefully Bud will pull a Minnesota Kevin McHale or Memphis Jerry West and give his old team great players for nothing. :lol

[SPURt]

This trade deadline is interesting because of the Warriors. It sounds like every team minus the Spurs is trying hard to "improve" their roster. I wonder if the buyout market will see any extra movement?

[BillMc]

I doubt we even have "a puncher's chance" against GS.
:wakeup45-8 and so many are ready to throw in the towel.

[sasaint]

It'd be a hell of a front court though. Guards are a dime a dozen but good bigs are hard to get a hold of. Easier to replace Danny than Timmy. The question is is it worth reducing our chances of ringing this year to set up our future. Pop and RC gotta make that call.

Hopefully Bud will pull a Minnesota Kevin McHale or Memphis Jerry West and give his old team great players for nothing. :lol

Much depends on the condition of Tim's knee and how many adjustments PATFO believe we need to make to solve "the unsolvable", taking Pop's comments at face value. ( I know; I know... It could just be CIA Pop.)

[sasaint]

:wakeup45-8 and so many are ready to throw in the towel.

Wow, are you a journalist? At least quote me accurately:


without a reasonably healthy Duncan, I doubt we even have "a puncher's chance" against GS.

With a solid Tim, I ain't throwing in any towels.

[BillMc]

Wow, are you a journalist? At least quote me accurately:



With a solid Tim, I ain't throwing in any towels.

I'm not a journalist, I am a fiction writer. I take what I want from reality and makeup the rest. :)

[sasaint]

I'm not a journalist, I am a fiction writer. I take what I want from reality and makeup the rest. :)

Same thing.

[tbdog]

It'd be a hell of a front court though. Guards are a dime a dozen but good bigs are hard to get a hold of. Easier to replace Danny than Timmy. The question is is it worth reducing our chances of ringing this year to set up our future. Pop and RC gotta make that call.

Hopefully Bud will pull a Minnesota Kevin McHale or Memphis Jerry West and give his old team great players for nothing. :lol

I get that - and if we could get Joe Johnston on a buyout that will be a dream. But loyalty to Diaw foremost who isn't having a bad year by any stretch is something to consider. Plus you have to believe you will get to retain Horford. To give up on our fastest start in history to potentially cement our future as contenders, shouldn't be considered.

[BatManu20]

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[TD 21]

I get that - and if we could get Joe Johnston on a buyout that will be a dream. But loyalty to Diaw foremost who isn't having a bad year by any stretch is something to consider. Plus you have to believe you will get to retain Horford. To give up on our fastest start in history to potentially cement our future as contenders, shouldn't be considered.

Johnson is probably Cavs bound, if/when he get's bought out.

Not that the Spurs shouldn't and won't reach out because they should and probably will. I don't care how close to finished he's looked or whether he'd be best suited to being a small ball power forward at this point, I'd still rather him than Butler on the roster and I'd still rather him, for spot minutes in the playoffs, than Simmons/Anderson. He'd especially be a nice fit against the Warriors.

[Chinook]

No idea if there's any truth to this. Prob not.

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I mean, kudos to Riley if he pulls this off. The biggest thing would be that Bosh instantly becomes a trade target. He's the best PF in the game, if you ask me, and he'd be a far superior front-court mate to LMA than anyone we've mentioned. And he's going to be wanting out by the summer.

The Kings don't really have picks, though, so the delegitimizes this rumor quite a bit.

[CGD]

All about those prospects who have fallen from grace over here. MCW, who's being shopped, for our parts?

At worst he's off the books next summer. 3m plus the cost of rest of this season for a look and a chance for Chip to take a crack at his dismal shot.

[cjw]

I mean, kudos to Riley if he pulls this off. The biggest thing would be that Bosh instantly becomes a trade target. He's the best PF in the game, if you ask me, and he'd be a far superior front-court mate to LMA than anyone we've mentioned. And he's going to be wanting out by the summer.

The Kings don't really have picks, though, so the delegitimizes this rumor quite a bit.

I know Miami would love picks back after using up a few to bring in Dragic, but do you really see the Kings giving up picks PLUS Cousins? Or did you mean the Heat have no picks left?

[rasuo214]

If the Spurs are going to make a trade it should be for a guard, not a big. Unless they're giving up on this season and prepping for post-Duncan life. I wouldn't mind the Spurs taking a chance on Mclemore if he's available for cheap.

[SpursIndonesia]

Boris Diaw doesn't need to go anywhere. He's way too versatile for the Spurs to trade.

If it's Diaw for Horford -parts included, you sign the papers faster than the blink of an eye, as simple as that. The only thing that would give me a pause is his supposed max salary contract demand next summer, but who knows if we can sell him the idea of signing somewhat less to assure the team more flexibility in terms of salary cap management.

[sasaint]

If the Spurs are going to make a trade it should be for a guard, not a big. Unless they're giving up on this season and prepping for post-Duncan life. I wouldn't mind the Spurs taking a chance on Mclemore if he's available for cheap.

Totally. And that totally depends on the condition of the knee - which I don't think anybody knows outside the team.

[sasaint]

If it's Diaw for Horford -parts included, you sign the papers faster than the blink of an eye, as simple as that. The only thing that would give me a pause is his supposed max salary contract demand next summer, but who knows if we can sell him the idea of signing somewhat less to assure the team more flexibility in terms of salary cap management.

Don't think Diaw and spare parts gets it done. Besides, unless Tim's knee is worse than we know, I'd rather try for a combo guard who is a good defender and is decent offensively.

[Kawhitstorm]

I mean, kudos to Riley if he pulls this off. The biggest thing would be that Bosh instantly becomes a trade target. He's the best PF in the game, if you ask me, and he'd be a far superior front-court mate to LMA than anyone we've mentioned. And he's going to be wanting out by the summer.

The Kings don't really have picks, though, so the delegitimizes this rumor quite a bit.

Please, quit the "Bosh is the best PF in the league" narrative b/c he doesn't produce more than Millsap & all of his major advanced stats are inferior to Millsap.:lol Yeah, he might be more talented & physically gifted but he DOESN'T actually play like it ala Rasheed (he's actually now emulating him by chuckin' up jumpers instead of using his foot speed & driving:lol). Bosh has always been a terrible post defender & was hidden b/c of the Heats trapping defense that took advantage of his foot speed.

If Anthony Davis (who has a LOT of room for improvement on defense) played on the Hawks he would be tearing up the league instead his starting lineup has mostly consisted of Alonzo Gee, Norris Cole, Bryce Dejean-Jones, Omer Asik, Dante Cunningham.:lol Besides, Holiday/Anderson the rest of the roster is crap anyways.

[TheDoctor]

...Pop's recent comments are pretty intriguing. The Spurs have never knowingly played to be runner up. So, if we accept Pop's comments at face value, how far would the Spurs go to solve the "unsolvable"...

You just swallowed, digested and are about to shit Pop's bait if you took that comment at face value.

[Kawhitstorm]

Apparently..Winslow is holding up the potential three way trade between Heat/Rockets/Atlanta that involves among other Horford/Teague/Whiteside/Dwight..Hawks wants him but Riley won't give him up..

Why would they give up Winslow for Horford's expiring contract?:lol

[apalisoc_9]

Why would they give up Winslow for Horford's expiring contract?:lol

Teague

[KenziE]

Yawn

[Kawhitstorm]

Teague

Swapping Dragic with Teague isn't going to make that much of a difference, might as well have kept Chalmers if they wanted a spot-up shooter playing point guard.:lmao

[gambit1990]

tp for horford and schroder! do us another solid bud.

[Kawhitstorm]

A ton of talk here about the Raptors getting a PF, mostly talk about Thaddeus Young and Markieff Morris..some of these guys have legit, proven sources, too..

Casey won't use either of them properly, but still an upgrade over Scola/Patterson..

Markieff Morris playing in Canada? Dude is going to drive down to Michigan to sleepover w/ his twin.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Green and Diaw for Shumpert?:stirpot:

Shumpert is just a tier above Simmons.:lol

[SAGirl]

You just swallowed, digested and are about to shit Pop's bait if you took that comment at face value.
Maybe I did too. I really think Pop was sincere,although he hasn't revealed his ultimate plan.

[HarlemHeat37]

Shumpert is just a tier above Simmons.:lol

:lol I know, its a SpursTalk running joke..

[Kawhitstorm]

I have no idea how much Howard has left, tbh, despite watching plenty of Rockets ball, this season..

It's difficult to gauge how much of his inconsistency and declining defense is due to effort/team dysfunction vs. deterioration as a player..

Defensively, he has severely declined from his Orlando days (ala Ben Wallace in Chicago) but offensively he can still give you 20 a game if he's relatively healthy & they feed him the ball (ala Shaq w/ the Suns).

[Kawhitstorm]

parker for horford and schroder:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hbtqpgp

Schroder running the offense in the playoffs after being acquired mid-season:lmao

[spursistan]

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"Undeniably gettable"..Feels like Bucks could be low-balled for the "Curry stopper" :lol....not gonna enjoy seeing TP/Mills get raped on D..Do it RC

[HarlemHeat37]

I hate MCW's game, but he's a top 3 defensive PG in the NBA and still really young.. Would be a great backup PG, tbh..

[sasaint]

You just swallowed, digested and are about to shit Pop's bait if you took that comment at face value.


Much depends on the condition of Tim's knee and how many adjustments PATFO believe we need to make to solve "the unsolvable", taking Pop's comments at face value. (I know; I know... It could just be CIA Pop.)

Then, if Timmy's knee is good to go, we should concentrate on upgrading our backcourt defense not picking up another PF - as much as I like Horford.

[SAGirl]

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"Undeniably gettable"..Feels like Bucks could be low-balled for the "Curry stopper" :lol....not gonna enjoy seeing TP/Mills get raped on D..Do it RC
What do you give up for him? Anderson has been discussed, but let's say Spurs want to keep him and/or MIl not interested since they already have young forwards with potential in Greek freak and Jabari. They probably want Patty for his shooting. I don't think RC pulls that trigger. Patty has been a spark in Manu's absence. Maybe bucks want Simms since he torched them and has shot the 3 (an issue for them)... I mean maybe they take Anderson but I don't think so. They will have a need at guard not forwards.

Edit: I think Patty would get it done but we'll be worse off. MCW just doesn't fit IMO unless you make that swap for Simmons.

[spursistan]

I hate MCW's game, but he's a top 3 defensive PG in the NBA and still really young.. Would be a great backup PG, tbh..
we have a legitimate and flagrant hole in that position..arguably much worse depth than in 2014..no Cojo/Manu coming off a delicate injury/Parker 2 years older, defenseless and extremely inconsistent/Mills can't playmake and susceptible to shooting droughts..Ray Mccaalyum getting playoffs minutes :lmao..

[BatManu20]

Don't want MCW tbh. He can't shoot and is already 24. Not like he has a lot of upside.

[BillMc]

I hate MCW's game, but he's a top 3 defensive PG in the NBA and still really young.. Would be a great backup PG, tbh..

Is really that good a defender? I know next to nothing about MCW. Obviously the 76ers didn't mind giving him up even after a ROY campaign. Why might be be headed to a third team in such a young career?

[T Park]

Don't want MCW tbh. He can't shoot and is already 24. Not like he has a lot of upside.

I'd take him. England can fix that jump shot within 2 years easily.

[RD2191]

Don't want MCW tbh. He can't shoot and is already 24. Not like he has a lot of upside.
Chip. Tbh.

[SAGirl]

Is really that good a defender? I know next to nothing about MCW. Obviously the 76ers didn't mind giving him up even after a ROY campaign. Why might be be headed to a third team in such a young career?
He's an awkward fit in the bucks bc he can't shoot, but neither can Jabari, or Antetoukoumpo. The only one who can shoot is Middleton. Since they will not trade Jabari or Antetoukoumpo they need a guard who can shoot, so they can run things through their forwards mire. They worked better with knight, who could shoot.
MCW did impress me defensively TBH, personally he has a lot of potential in that area, but he needs to be surrounded by shooting,which thinking about it our starting lineup has a lot of.

[gambit1990]

Schroder running the offense in the playoffs after being acquired mid-season:lmao
i would start patty. schroder would replace him off the bench. manu would still handle the ball more.

[gospursgojas]

MCW for Kyle I'd do...not for Patty though

[BillMc]

He's an awkward fit in the bucks bc he can't shoot, but neither can Jabari, or Antetoukoumpo. The only one who can shoot is Middleton. Since they will not trade Jabari or Antetoukoumpo they need a guard who can shoot, so they can run things through their forwards mire. They worked better with knight, who could shoot.
MCW did impress me defensively TBH, personally he has a lot of potential in that area, but he needs to be surrounded by shooting,which thinking about it our starting lineup has a lot of.

Cheers!:toast If his d is so good, and we can get chip to work on him, then he'd be worth a first round pick or perhaps an end of bench player. Though looking at his stats his shooting isn't improving. Anyone know if he's a gym rat? Is he putting in the effort?

[apalisoc_9]

Swapping Dragic with Teague isn't going to make that much of a difference, might as well have kept Chalmers if they wanted a spot-up shooter playing point guard.:lmao

Probably some other picks involved tbh

[KenziE]

All teams are gonna stay put tbh

[spursistan]

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Take it with grain of salt..he's a Sheridan hoops writer..but if this the blood clots issue again :wow..

[CGD]

Cheers!:toast If his d is so good, and we can get chip to work on him, then he'd be worth a first round pick or perhaps an end of bench player. Though looking at his stats his shooting isn't improving. Anyone know if he's a gym rat? Is he putting in the effort?

Id take MCW as the 3rd sting PG.

No need to give up Mills or Anderson. At most he's worth the 29th pick in this weak draft, and McCallum for $$ matching and roster spot.

We already have two solid prospects in Bertans and LJC likely coming this summer. MCW is probably better than what ever PG prospect is available at 29 notwithstanding his age.

[spursistan]

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[apalisoc_9]

Id take MCW for both the first and 2nd round and ray. Tbh.

I hate his game but the warriors have killed both parker and mills in the same game. Play against the warriors and bench him in every matchup

[BillMc]

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Too bad if its serious. Bosh is a class act and seems like a good guy.

[NASpurs]

Probably already posted but there was an article on the mysa saying that Broussard suggested the Spurs should go for Ariza.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Would-Ariza-be-a-good-fit-for-the-Spurs-6832233.php

[Kawhitstorm]

i would start patty. schroder would replace him off the bench. manu would still handle the ball more.

Danny meanwhile will run the offense with the starters:wakeup

[SAGirl]

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Take it with grain of salt..he's a Sheridan hoops writer..but if this the blood clots issue again :wow..
He has a calf strain.... but yes the tweet is mystifying, specially bc he said that the lung blood clot was from a calf clot that travelled to his lung.

[SAGirl]

Id take MCW as the 3rd sting PG.

No need to give up Mills or Anderson. At most he's worth the 29th pick in this weak draft, and McCallum for $$ matching and roster spot.

We already have two solid prospects in Bertans and LJC likely coming this summer. MCW is probably better than what ever PG prospect is available at 29 notwithstanding his age.
Agree with this, defensively he's the real deal, which was supposed to be Ray' s role. If only the bucks would take that. But Ray can shoot better and he started for the kings. He plays well of other ppl. He might help them and he's also 24.

[spursistan]

He has a calf strain.... but yes the tweet is mystifying, specially bc he said that the lung blood clot was from a calf clot that travelled to his lung.
Yes, that is basically the scary and sad conclusion after his abrupt withdrawal from ASG..i really do hope Chris is OK and this just lower part ailment..he seemed to be in good spirits last night on the bench..

[look_at_g_shred]

Ray and a first for MCW would be dope!

[sasaint]

He's an awkward fit in the bucks bc he can't shoot, but neither can Jabari, or Antetoukoumpo. The only one who can shoot is Middleton. Since they will not trade Jabari or Antetoukoumpo they need a guard who can shoot, so they can run things through their forwards mire. They worked better with knight, who could shoot.
MCW did impress me defensively TBH, personally he has a lot of potential in that area, but he needs to be surrounded by shooting,which thinking about it our starting lineup has a lot of.

I already fought the battle of MCW on another thread. Tbh, nobody comes into the Spurs' system and makes significant impact in the playoffs after half a season unless they are already somewhat familiar with it. I would not be willing to give up anybody on our roster for MCW. His D might be good, but he will never shoot the ball well enough to be a reasonable NBA-level offensive threat. In the few minutes he would be able to play, he would not put us over the top against GS. Unless Tim's tires have fallen off at last, I bet we stand pat. All the anticipation and speculation is kind of interesting but, as in every other respect, the Spurs are not like other NBA teams. I bet we stand pat.

[tbdog]

I don't see us getting any targets. If we are willing to lose Anderson then we might net something in return. If not, Bonner and Butler are not giving us anything useable in return.

[BatManu20]

This.

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[Mel_13]

This.

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Yep. Lots of smoke, very little fire.

[SAGirl]

I already fought the battle of MCW on another thread. Tbh, nobody comes into the Spurs' system and makes significant impact in the playoffs after half a season unless they are already somewhat familiar with it. I would not be willing to give up anybody on our roster for MCW. His D might be good, but he will never shoot the ball well enough to be a reasonable NBA-level offensive threat. In the few minutes he would be able to play, he would not put us over the top against GS. Unless Tim's tires have fallen off at last, I bet we stand pat. All the anticipation and speculation is kind of interesting but, as in every other respect, the Spurs are not like other NBA teams. I bet we stand pat.

I actually like MCW defensively more than I like Ray, who has barely played. I wasn't willing to give up Anderson like you thought either, more than just not opposed to it. Anderson for him doesn't make sense though for either team bc Bucks have 2 young forwards and need guards and we have young forwards in the pipeline but there are issues of health with Bertans who make it questionable whether he will hold up or turn into another Tiago, while Cady did not look at any point as a better prospect than Anderson, who is a more skilled and much smarter player. All things considered Anderson is our best young prospect (don't consider kawhi a prospect, he's a star, and while I am high on Simmons I am less so than most others who are impressed by just his athleticism but overlook other things)

Anderson may also play a larger role for us if Timmy doesn't hold up or Diaw continues coasting and may be relied upon more next season, so I am not eager to discard him..

My comment was even in the sense that Pop was refusing to play Ray when Tony was stinking it up like he did against the Lakers. But you are wrong that MCW may not help us, the problem really is that to play him you have to bench Patty or Tony and if you are unwilling to bench those two when the situation calls for it why the trade.

If we go further on my feelings about the subject, my real concern is really Tony. Moving forward, Tony doesn't shoot, doesn't space the floor and is both ball dominant and lacking in court vision. On top of that he can't defend, needs to be rested, injury prone at this stage of his career and is on a downturn. The less offense you run through him, the less you need him and the less he helps you, he's been an offensive player, and a rather selfish one. For our future I would rather have a defensive PG. I'll be flamed for coming this hard on Tony but we can't win with him and Patty, both too small and unable to give the team a defensive option when you need one. The spot that is for grabs is Ray' s.

[Robz4000]

Most teams have prolly given in to the inevitable that the Dubs will be running the NBA for the foreseeable future and have gone all-in for developing their younger talent and getting a higher draft pick rather than trying to get playoff experience.

[Kawhitstorm]

Unless Tim's tires have fallen off at last, I bet we stand pat. All the anticipation and speculation is kind of interesting but, as in every other respect, the Spurs are not like other NBA teams. I bet we stand pat.

Mid-season acquisitions:

2011: Danny Green
2012: Stephen Jackson
2013: Baynes/T-Mac:lol
2014: Daye:lol
2015: JaMychal Green

2016 is more like 2013 since the team just needs to fortify a position (point guard) & pick up a vet (Kevin Martin?) from the waiver wire if Manu is going to be out for an extended period. (Waive/trade Bonner/Ray)

[cd021]

Probably already posted but there was an article on the mysa saying that Broussard suggested the Spurs should go for Ariza.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Would-Ariza-be-a-good-fit-for-the-Spurs-6832233.php

Zach Harper has mentioned that Ariza may be the most to blame for Houston's bad season. Apparently he's been god awful in transition defense and has given up on the team.

[cd021]

we have a legitimate and flagrant hole in that position..arguably much worse depth than in 2014..no Cojo/Manu coming off a delicate injury/Parker 2 years older, defenseless and extremely inconsistent/Mills can't playmake and susceptible to shooting droughts..Ray Mccaalyum getting playoffs minutes :lmao..

i think our PG situation is better than last year, Mills was pretty bad last season as was Parker but this season both have been better, Parker in particular. Cojo was a luxury very few teams have competent 3 string PGs let alone above average one.

The lack of size at PG is an issue. They can't hide against the Warriors size.

[Mel_13]

Mid-season acquisitions:

2011: Danny Green
2012: Stephen Jackson
2013: Baynes/T-Mac:lol
2014: Daye:lol
2015: JaMychal Green

2016 is more like 2013 since the team just needs to fortify a position (point guard) & pick up a vet (Kevin Martin?) from the waiver wire if Manu is going to be out for an extended period. (Waive/trade Bonner/Ray)

Diaw and Mills were both signed after the trade deadline in 2012.

[TheDoctor]

If a rumor don't come from Woj/The_Vertical I don't want to hear/read it tbh.

[spursistan]

i think our PG situation is better than last year, Mills was pretty bad last season as was Parker but this season both have been better, Parker in particular. Cojo was a luxury very few teams have competent 3 string PGs let alone above average one.

The lack of size at PG is an issue. They can't hide against the Warriors size.


I'm warming up for MCW trade..i think he is being put on a platter from what have been leaked to media..one or two of Simmons/Anderson/Ray + picks will do it..Let's face it we are in a win-now mode and in that particular matchup, it is suicide rolling with Patty/TP + the unknowns about Ginobili health status .

[SpursFan86]

We're not getting MCW :lol

[gambit1990]

Danny meanwhile will run the offense with the starters:wakeup
patty can do what tony can do. except better.

[Mel_13]

patty can do what tony can do. except better.

:lol

[tmtcsc]

It'd be a hell of a front court though. Guards are a dime a dozen but good bigs are hard to get a hold of. Easier to replace Danny than Timmy. The question is is it worth reducing our chances of ringing this year to set up our future. Pop and RC gotta make that call.

Hopefully Bud will pull a Minnesota Kevin McHale or Memphis Jerry West and give his old team great players for nothing. :lol

Agreed.

[tmtcsc]

I can't wait for the Spurs to win their 6th title this year and shut up all the critics and G.S. blowhards. It's ridiculous how many people believe the Warriors can't be beat or that they are just so much better than the Spurs. All it took was one awful game by the Spurs on the Warriors' floor for people to jump ship. I trust the Spurs will have something special in store for Curry and Company. I just hope the Warriors stay healthy so we can beat them at full strength.

[Kawhitstorm]

i think our PG situation is better than last year, Mills was pretty bad last season as was Parker but this season both have been better, Parker in particular. Cojo was a luxury very few teams have competent 3 string PGs let alone above average one.

The lack of size at PG is an issue. They can't hide against the Warriors size.

Yeah, Porker hasn't been terrible & Patty is showing signs of life. CoJo actually had the ability to check Barnes in the post (as he showed in the 2013 series) meanwhile Porker/Patty can't even keep up with their own shadows against the Worriers.:lol

sasaint (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8427200#post8427200) is out here throwing the books on MCW when Simmons is taking minutes from Danny/Fathead while being a worse defender/ball handler & a hesitant shooter while getting WIDE OPEN looks unlike MCW. CoJo got by without having to shoot 3s & being a hesitant mid-range shooter so I don't see why MCW can't be effective as a 3rd string PG when he can actually postup unlike CoJo/Simmons. Even if he played limited minutes, his length would come in handy against Livingston who plays less that 20 minutes in the playoffs.

For fuckin' sakes, the Cavs started Delly/Shumper/JR Smith & won 2 games.:lol MCW would essentially play the Shumper role as a failed starting PG converted into a defensive stopper. Shumpert is basically Simmons with better handles/defensive awareness & dude got paid 40 mill playing the defensive stopper role.:lol MCW is on his rookie contract so PATFO will have an entire season (2016-17) along with training camp & this season to evaluate him before he becomes a restricted FA.

[tmtcsc]

Horford can shoot from outside better than Aldridge.

The hits just keep on coming. You're on fire Chinook, keep em coming.

[bic50]

I can't wait for the Spurs to win their 6th title this year and shut up all the critics and G.S. blowhards. It's ridiculous how many people believe the Warriors can't be beat or that they are just so much better than the Spurs. All it took was one awful game by the Spurs on the Warriors' floor for people to jump ship. I trust the Spurs will have something special in store for Curry and Company. I just hope the Warriors stay healthy so we can beat them at full strength.

Exactly. It's like the spurs will never play the warriors again or something. What will people say if the spurs give warriors a similar beat down?

[tmtcsc]

Green has easily been the 3rd best player on the team since 2016 began, which is what was expected, since he was also the 3rd best player, last year..

Horford is obviously much better, but if you're left with an inexperienced player and poor defender like Simmons starting in the playoffs, you're fucked, especially if Ginoboli can't play big minutes..

Leonard, Duncan, Aldridge and Parker have all been better than Green. Green's 3 pt shot has improved but I'm not convinced his defense has.

[Kawhitstorm]

The hits just keep on coming. You're on fire Chinook, keep em coming.

Horford has no postup game & struggles to create his own shot unless he's matched up w/ a slow footed big aka Harrison Barnes can guard him. Might as well get Marvin Williams for half the price.:lol

[sasaint]

Pop ain't gonna bench Tony or Patty to play MCW or any other guy we bring in at the Deadline.

I share your concerns about the team going forward with Tony and Patty as our top 2 PGs, but do you honestly see anybody coming in at mid-season and becoming a real contributor in a system where we have waited until now for LMA to get up to speed? BTW, Tony can shoot the ball. He just is ball-dominant, lacks vision and is a less than stellar defender. But I do not see Pop moving him. Not sure what that means for us after this year, but it is worrisome.

[spursistan]

damn..could be a career-ending..

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[spursistan]

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[tmtcsc]

Even if he played limited minutes, his length would come in handy against Livingston who plays less that 20 minutes in the playoffs.


This guy worries me more than Curry and Thompson. You know exactly what you're going to get with them and they will attract the proper attention - but Livingston is a versatile player that exploits match-ups and brings good energy off the bench. In the first matchup with the Spurs, Livingston made an immediate impact and torched whoever tried to pick him up.

[Kawhitstorm]

Pop ain't gonna bench Tony or Patty to play MCW or any other guy we bring in at the Deadline.

I share your concerns about the team going forward with Tony and Patty as our top 2 PGs, but do you honestly see anybody coming in at mid-season and becoming a real contributor in a system where we have waited until now for LMA to get up to speed? BTW, Tony can shoot the ball. He just is ball-dominant, lacks vision and is a less than stellar defender. But I do not see Pop moving him. Not sure what that means for us after this year, but it is worrisome.

Pop benched Manu in the Clippers series so I don't see why Patty wouldn't get benched if he's unplayable against the Worriers just like Marco got benched against the Mavs in 2014 b/c he was unplayable. Porker is another story.:lol

Baynes also got spot minutes in the 2014 playoffs despite having played sporadically in the regular season.

At the end of the day, if MCW doesn't prove himself to be worthy of getting minutes then he will be collecting DNPs like Austin Daye.

[TheDoctor]

Some reliable tidbits:
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Woj mentions Spurs' Asst.GM Sean Marks as a candidate to fill Nets GM position along Ettore as a possible candidate for the HC job.

[tmtcsc]

Al's wife is a former Miss Universe.

http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/51363318.jpg

Tony will help Green pack.

Geezus, I'll help him pack. Who said Horford doesn't have moves down low?

[sasaint]

Yeah, Porker hasn't been terrible & Patty is showing signs of life. CoJo actually had the ability to check Barnes in the post (as he showed in the 2013 series) meanwhile Porker/Patty can't even keep up with their own shadows against the Worriers.:lol

sasaint (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8427200#post8427200) is out here throwing the books on MCW when Simmons is taking minutes from Danny/Fathead while being a worse defender/ball handler & a hesitant shooter while getting WIDE OPEN looks unlike MCW. CoJo got by without having to shoot 3s & being a hesitant mid-range shooter so I don't see why MCW can't be effective as a 3rd string PG when he can actually postup unlike CoJo/Simmons. Even if he played limited minutes, his length would come in handy against Livingston who plays less that 20 minutes in the playoffs.

For fuckin' sakes, the Cavs started Delly/Shumper/JR Smith & won 2 games.:lol MCW would essentially play the Shumper role as a failed starting PG converted into a defensive stopper. Shumpert is basically Simmons with better handles/defensive awareness & dude got paid 40 mill playing the defensive stopper role.:lol MCW is on his rookie contract so PATFO will have an entire season (2016-17) along with training camp & this season to evaluate him before he becomes a restricted FA.

What does "throwing the books on MCW" mean?

I don't see any of this having any real impact on our chances this season, anyway. MCW is not likely to progress in the Spurs system fast enough to help us against GS this year. Consequently, I would rather make a move at some point for a player who will be a real keeper - even a star. I don't know who that is. But posters here are getting all primed to make a move for Horford by moving some fairly substantial pieces. I would rather move those pieces for a combo guard with more upside than MCW.

[apalisoc_9]

Wow suns are delusional. They have zero bargaining power at this point with morris. Just get the best picks you dumbasses

[sasaint]

Pop benched Manu in the Clippers series so I don't see why Patty wouldn't get benched if he's unplayable against the Worriers just like Marco got benched against the Mavs in 2014 b/c he was unplayable. Porker is another story.:lol

Baynes also got acquired mid-season & got minutes in the playoffs despite having only been in the NBA for only 4 months.:lol

At the end of the day, if MCW doesn't prove himself to be worthy of getting minutes then he will be collecting DNPs.

Pop didn't bench Manu for somebody we brought in at the deadline.

[sasaint]

Mid-season acquisitions:

2011: Danny Green
2012: Stephen Jackson
2013: Baynes/T-Mac:lol
2014: Daye:lol
2015: JaMychal Green

2016 is more like 2013 since the team just needs to fortify a position (point guard) & pick up a vet (Kevin Martin?) from the waiver wire if Manu is going to be out for an extended period. (Waive/trade Bonner/Ray)

Tbh, although he has never been a great defender, Martin is more interesting to me than MCW. Maybe if he had a shot at a chip, Martin could D-up...

[DPG21920]

Wow suns are delusional. They have zero bargaining power at this point with morris. Just get the best picks you dumbasses

Morris is very, very good. Any deal they can get now they can get in the off season IMO.

[Kawhitstorm]

Pop didn't bench Manu for somebody we brought in at the deadline.

He got benched for net-negative Marco.:lol
Maybe we should talk about Rasho getting benched for Nazr in the Finals no less.:wakeup

[SD126]

Tbh, although he has never been a great defender, Martin is more interesting to me than MCW. Maybe if he had a shot at a chip, Martin could D-up...

Kevin Martin and D-up is an oxymoron that you shoudn't try and put together.

[DPG21920]

This is shaping up to be a very slow deadline. It's a FA bonanza with a rising cap and I can't see teams giving that potential up for trades. Even the rumor mill is really confined to a small group of players (Dwight, Whiteside, Teague, Horford)

[apalisoc_9]

Morris is very, very good. Any deal they can get now they can get in the off season IMO.

He is, but teams will likely have more options by then. If teams are offering them first rounders, you take it.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Wow suns are delusional. They have zero bargaining power at this point with morris. Just get the best picks you dumbasses

Not true. People want him (like the Cavs and Raps) so as long the Suns wait they can get something good for him. He's a good player and is on a good contract if am not mistaken. Plenty of bargaining power.

[HarlemHeat37]

Is really that good a defender? I know next to nothing about MCW. Obviously the 76ers didn't mind giving him up even after a ROY campaign. Why might be be headed to a third team in such a young career?

He's a poor offensive player, and one of the worst shooters you'll ever see at the PG position:lol

[All Mighty Janitor]

I don't know why people want MCW. Unless they think Chip can work another miracle, I don't think he fits anything the spurs are trying to do.

[All Mighty Janitor]

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I really hope that's not the case. Bosh is one of my favs and a good guy.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kevin Martin and D-up is an oxymoron that you shoudn't try and put together.

He is a net negative against legit competition to play extended minutes in the playoffs ala Marco. He had a chance to show his worth when he played for OKC & Westbrook got injured but he essentially got outscored by Tony Allen in the last 4 games of the 2nd rd series.:lol

He would essentially be replacing Marco but he isn't as good a shooter nor does he have huge balls.:lol

[marinoman]

I really hope that's not the case. Bosh is one of my favs and a good guy.
He was the only player on those championship heat teams I liked

[BatManu20]

I would much rather have our draft pick this year than to trade for MCW. There will be some good developmental players available when we select, ones that are younger and better shooters than MCW. A defensive-minded PG with some offensive game like Gary Payton Jr. comes to mind. A 3&D prospect like Wayne Seldon could be available too, who would be a great eventual replacement for Danny.

[BillMc]

I really hope that's not the case. Bosh is one of my favs and a good guy.
Yeah, Bosh is a class act. Hope he can recover.

[BillMc]

Geezus, I'll help him pack. Who said Horford doesn't have moves down low?
:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

He's a poor offensive player, and one of the worst shooters you'll ever see at the PG position:lol

Again, he SHOULDN'T be playing PG but rather the Shumpert role. He can get his buckets by posting up, driving or cutting like Fathead. Pop can essentially play him alongside Manu & let him guard the point guard.

[BillMc]

He's a poor offensive player, and one of the worst shooters you'll ever see at the PG position:lol

:lol Rubio without the pretty passes, I guess.

[Baseline21]

I want athletic big like nerlens Noel. What would be awesome if coach bud or brown would help us out. If they did and it was asbursd trade people would wonder if pop or Spurs can make trades with former assiasnts/ coaches. Pop pull out a trade like when lakers got Pau and pop was pissed. It's pops time.

[HarlemHeat37]

Again, he SHOULDN'T be playing PG but rather the Shumpert role. He can get his buckets by posting up, driving or cutting like Fathead. Pop can essentially play him alongside Manu & let him guard the point guard.

I already said I wouldn't mind him, despite hating his game, as long as he isn't starting..he's not a legit NBA starter, at least not yet..

There's a 1% chance that the Spurs actually acquire him, though:lol..

[Kawhitstorm]

I would much rather have our draft pick this year than to trade for MCW. There will be some good developmental players available when we select, ones that are younger and better shooters than MCW. A defensive-minded PG with some offensive game like Gary Payton Jr. comes to mind. A 3&D prospect like Wayne Seldon could be available to, who would be a great eventual replacement for Danny.

I like GPII & PATFO aren't giving up a 1st rd pick b/c you'll never know who might drop to 29. The only thing I could see happening is if Pop likes MCW & isn't too fond of Fathead so he just swaps them along w/ Ray.

[sasaint]

He is a net negative against legit competition to play extended minutes in the playoffs ala Marco. He had a chance to show his worth when he played for OKC & Westbrook got injured but he essentially got outscored by Tony Allen in the last 4 games of the 2nd rd series.:lol

He would essentially be replacing Marco but he isn't as good a shooter nor does he have huge balls.:lol

Wow, that's amazingly bad. :wow

Like I said, if we were willing to make a big move for Horford, I'd rather see us make a big move for a combo guard who might really make a difference. That is probably because I see more potential in our young guys than you, but I wouldn't mind moving a more substantial piece for good value.

But maybe Chip could eventually fix MCW... He made Tony's shot passable...

We may disagree on MCW, but I have to hand it to you: you have a great memory. :toast

[HarlemHeat37]

The roster has some flaws that they could improve in an ideal universe(could use a defensive PG as an alternate, maybe a shot blocking bench big), but the only real "hole" is the backup SF spot..on paper, you could do better than Rasual or Anderson/Simmons..

If the Spurs are going to make a move, that's the only hole I could think of filling..I'd be very surprised if they actually make a move, though..

You have to assume that they are very happy with their historic start, despite the inconsistencies of key players + injuries, even with the Warriors' intimidating results..

[Kawhitstorm]

as long as he isn't starting..he's not a legit NBA starter, at least not yet....

Porker would have to fuck Pop's daughter to permanently lose his starting job even if Curry was his backup:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I can't wait to see how badly Tom Rivers messes up a Griffin trade:lol

I'm expecting something like this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jtqspvn

[Kawhitstorm]

The roster has some flaws that they could improve in an ideal universe(could use a defensive PG as an alternate, maybe a shot blocking bench big), but the only real "hole" is the backup SF spot..on paper, you could do better than Rasual or Anderson/Simmons..


The intriguing part about MCW is that he can guard wings so he can essentially play backup SF along w/ the Manu/Patty backcourt. Tbh, if he was a 6ft midget then I wouldn't care much about him.

[SD126]

He is a net negative against legit competition to play extended minutes in the playoffs ala Marco. He had a chance to show his worth when he played for OKC & Westbrook got injured but he essentially got outscored by Tony Allen in the last 4 games of the 2nd rd series.:lol

He would essentially be replacing Marco but he isn't as good a shooter nor does he have huge balls.:lol

My point exactly. Not sure I want a guy that can't defend a statue to save his life, plus get outscored by Tony Allen in a playoff series. Says everything about him right there.

[tmtcsc]

Yeah, and I didn't want LMA if it meant losing Green, for the exact reason I don't want to trade him for Horford now. The team would have no starting two-guard and would be a paper tiger. The Spurs clearly wanted to keep Green as well, hence why they gave away Splitter.

They gave up damaged goods in Splitter to get Aldridge NOT to keep Green. They passed on keeping a combination of Joseph, Belinelli and Baynes to keep Green. It was the right move because Green took a discount to stay. Where would the Spurs be right now had they not been able to land Aldridge? Getting rid of Splitter was the move of the offseason.



The Spurs won't be concerned with replacing Tim until he's gone, and they only want to give him the best chance to win another title. Moving Green for Horford DOESN'T do that, because it's a perimeter-oriented game, and you need guards who can defend more than you need a third high-level big. And again, you're in favor of making one of Diaw or West the fifth big and completely skewing the roster. That's what's twisted.


Tim's knee injury is a concern. He isn't providing much on offense but his rebounding and defense would be sorely missed. Horford would be added insurance and a possible key pickup for seasons to come. Tim may not play next season and David West doesn't have much left either.



But that you ignore or don't know how much better he's been suggests you haven't been watching recent games. I call that hate, as it's not grounded in reality.


I've watched all the games and I've seen the Spurs pile up wins DESPITE Green's inconsistent play. He's a good player but he's not a difference maker unless he's playing his best. He's been inconsistent and he's always been one dimensional on offense. If his 3 isn't falling he's a liability with NO gravitational pull. At least Simmons can create shots. He's raw and lacks experience but has a bright future. He'll learn from his mistakes.



He's benefited from Green's spacing more than the other way around.

No way, no how. More ridiculous comments from you per par.

[BillMc]

I can't wait to see how badly Tom Rivers messes up a Griffin trade:lol

I'm expecting something like this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jtqspvn

:lol Doc would do that.

[Kawhitstorm]

My point exactly. Not sure I want a guy that can't defend a statue to save his life, plus get outscored by Tony Allen in a playoff series. Says everything about him right there.

I guess a better comparison is a bigger/slower version of Lou Williams (who got exposed in the playoffs) since he can get to the line b/c of his awkward jumper.:lol

I still wouldn't mind him as a backup since Fathead/Simmons aren't playoff tested.

[cjw]

Wow suns are delusional. They have zero bargaining power at this point with morris. Just get the best picks you dumbasses

I think they're blowing smoke up people's asses, and will take the best pick they can get for him by Thursday.

On the Livingston comments above, I totally agree - scariest matchup because Parker and Mills are completely useless against him. He essentially displaced DWill a few years ago as the best guard in Brooklyn and somehow the Warriors were smart enough to jettison Jack for him.

Let's all hope for the best for Bosh. Hopefully it's the Heat being extra careful.

[apalisoc_9]

I can't wait to see how badly Tom Rivers messes up a Griffin trade:lol

I'm expecting something like this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jtqspvn

:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

On the Livingston comments above, I totally agree - scariest matchup because Parker and Mills are completely useless against him. He essentially displaced DWill a few years ago as the best guard in Brooklyn and somehow the Warriors were smart enough to jettison Jack for him.


It was pretty clear that Jarret Jack was a gunner ala Gary Neal & Livingston was a legit backup who was closing games for BK if anyone saw them play.

BTW..Jack wasn't traded by the Worriers, he ended up in BK after the Cavs signed him. The Worrier had signed Steve Blake to replace Jack but he was miserable.:lol

[Duncanforthree]

Danny for Horford rumors heating up?

[Kawhitstorm]

Danny for Horford rumors heating up?

The Tiago/Danny PnR is going to wreck the league. Bud::toast

Source: Morning News USA:lmao

[KenziE]

Porker would have to fuck Pop's daughter to permanently lose his starting job even if Curry was his backup:lol

not too far from the truth tbh

[SAGirl]

Again, he SHOULDN'T be playing PG but rather the Shumpert role. He can get his buckets by posting up, driving or cutting like Fathead. Pop can essentially play him alongside Manu & let him guard the point guard.
You constantly disparage Anderson's game but he is a very good midrange shooter and a developing post up player. If you want to talk about cutters with no midrange game that's Simmons. Even he shoot a the 3 occasionally though. I don't think we have anyone on MCW level TBH, so that is a loosing proposition. If Simmons was hitting 20% on 3s then you have a point. Also Anderson is a forward so whatever minutes you are referring to fir MCW are nit coming from him but Simmons, and one of our PG.

I like MCW defensively, but he's clearly not on the level offensively of anyone else in the roster. Even Ray looks like he has a midrange game.

[Chinook]

The hits just keep on coming. You're on fire Chinook, keep em coming.

I really don't get this. Are you arguing that he can't? Moreover, I don't get why you're lambasting me obviously talking about how well Al and LMA could fit together. Unlike you, I don't have an agenda to trash other players.

[SAGirl]

I like GPII & PATFO aren't giving up a 1st rd pick b/c you'll never know who might drop to 29. The only thing I could see happening is if Pop likes MCW & isn't too fond of Fathead so he just swaps them along w/ Ray.
This ain't happening... giving up Ray and a first is more likely than them giving up Anderson in my estimation. Anderson and MCW are nit swappable, they are guard-forward. Doesn't even make sense fir the bucks who actually start 3 forwards Middleton, Jabari & Antetoukoumpo. Maybe they don't take our first and accept Simmons instead and Ray. You can keep throwing shot to the wall and it won't stick.

[Chinook]

They gave up damaged goods in Splitter to get Aldridge NOT to keep Green. They passed on keeping a combination of Joseph, Belinelli and Baynes to keep Green. It was the right move because Green took a discount to stay. Where would the Spurs be right now had they not been able to land Aldridge? Getting rid of Splitter was the move of the offseason.

The Spurs would be at worse the third team in the West right now had they missed out on LMA but still signed West. No doubt in my mind that they keep Cory and still bring in Boban. Obviously, the team's ceiling his higher with LMA, but this idea that they were a lottery team without him (not saying you said that) is absolutely insane.


Tim's knee injury is a concern. He isn't providing much on offense but his rebounding and defense would be sorely missed. Horford would be added insurance and a possible key pickup for seasons to come. Tim may not play next season and David West doesn't have much left either.

That completely ignored the part of the post you quoted. Trading Green for Horford kills their chances this year -- Tim's possible last year. The team will figure out what to do about replacing him when he's gone. That's the end of an era. Until then, they will try to win with him, and despite your dismissal, they have a significantly better chance at winning this year with Green rather than Horford.


I've watched all the games and I've seen the Spurs pile up wins DESPITE Green's inconsistent play. He's a good player but he's not a difference maker unless he's playing his best. He's been inconsistent and he's always been one dimensional on offense. If his 3 isn't falling he's a liability with NO gravitational pull. At least Simmons can create shots. He's raw and lacks experience but has a bright future. He'll learn from his mistakes.

I don't think you know what gravity is in the NBA context. You don't have to make a ton of threes in a game to have gravity. Indeed, doing so often implies that you DON'T have gravity, hence why you're open. Curry and last year's Korver are the exceptions, but that's because their team's made them getting threes integral to the offense. Green's job in the offense isn't to make threes; it's to be guarded so that other guys get open looks. He's not unique in that regard, as that's why role-players usually pick up a three eventually. He's just the best at it. Simmons is a decent shooter, but he's not a floor-spacer. He'll have to have a big year from outside to get teams to start treating him as one.

And again, this argument of yours is played out and has been for years. It's 2016, and since 2012, people have been saying that Green is a one-trick pony and that such and such player would be such an upgrade to him. And that take is constantly proven misguided. Like seriously, it's so damned old now, and I can't understand why anyone who has watched the team over the past half-decade still uses it.


No way, no how. More ridiculous comments from you per par.

Wait, so you think Green is benefiting from LMA's gravity? So how to explain Green shooting better last year with broke-ass Splitter and Baynes taking those minutes? Are you suggesting that those guys were creating for Green that whole time? Because if so, it's absurd. Or do you think that Green isn't helping LMA at all? If so, I don't know what to tell you. Spacing is critical to ANY offense, especially LMA's post game. Green is his usual entry-passer. So Danny playing well and aggressively really helps Aldridge by making the opponent change how they help. This is basic stuff.

[All Mighty Janitor]

You constantly disparage Anderson's game but he is a very good midrange shooter and a developing post up player. If you want to talk about cutters with no midrange game that's Simmons. Even he shoot a the 3 occasionally though. I don't think we have anyone on MCW level TBH, so that is a loosing proposition. If Simmons was hitting 20% on 3s then you have a point. Also Anderson is a forward so whatever minutes you are referring to fir MCW are nit coming from him but Simmons, and one of our PG.

I like MCW defensively, but he's clearly not on the level offensively of anyone else in the roster. Even Ray looks like he has a midrange game.

You really think MCW is good defensively? I haven't seen much of the bucks (or Philly when he was there) and when I do I don't pay him much attention. His metrics had/have him as a bad defender(and a bad player overall) I think. What kind of defensive skills does he have?

[Kawhitstorm]

I like MCW defensively, but he's clearly not on the level offensively of anyone else in the roster. Even Ray looks like he has a midrange game.

Maybe you haven't noticed that CoJo is shooting 25% from 3 (on 62 attempts) the season while playing in a much better offensive system than MCW along with Marco reverting to being a below 40% shooter when he isn't wearing a Spurs jersey.:rolleyes If Simmons played on the Bucks he would be shooting 20% from 3.#systemmatters

BTW..CoJo/Marco/Simmons/Fathead have a worse PER than MCW & Marco has essentially the same TS% as MCW this season. Last season with the Bucks, MCW shot 52% from midrange on basically the same number of FGAs as Fathead (55%) this season from that spot (10-16 ft). MCW is actually attempting & converting on floaters (3-10 ft) as well as 2011-13 Porker.:wow

[Kawhitstorm]

You really think MCW is good defensively? I haven't seen much of the bucks (or Philly when he was there) and when I do I don't pay him much attention. His metrics had/have him as a bad defender(and a bad player overall) I think. What kind of defensive skills does he have?

He's a point guard so he isn't going to be rated as well as rim protectors.:lol He basically plays the same way as Shumpert who is lanky, quick, athletic & has very good hands. He has a better DRPM than Patrick Beverly who was All-NBA defense 2nd team in 2014.

[SAGirl]

You really think MCW is good defensively? I haven't seen much of the bucks (or Philly when he was there) and when I do I don't pay him much attention. His metrics had/have him as a bad defender(and a bad player overall) I think. What kind of defensive skills does he have? the bucks in general have suffered bc they don't protect the paint. Jabari is terrible defensively. They have tried him at the 3 and 4 and he's been terrible in both. Monroe you know,about, they are terrible in transition D, but MCW has real size, length and,agility to guard OF and he gets a lot if deflections and steals swarming whoever he's guarding. The bucks in general don't have a good defensive team though. For example send Simmons there and he will look like a flat out scrub, Anderson too probably, although Anderson fits their style better since,they like to create s lot if deflections and that is kind of an Anderson strength. In a good team MCW would be Mich better than Simmons, that part of Kawhitstorm narrative I agree with.

I don't agree with him disparaging everyone else to suit his point and in reality what he's arguing is to substitute Simmons minute s and role with MCW, bc Ray is nit getting playing time and Anderson is a forward. MCW is indeed a better ball handler than Simmons and depending on how high you are on him defensively, MCW is better. He dud do a very good job on Curry when Simmons has been torched by Curry, Irving, Clarkson and pretty much any really aggressive scoring guard or PG he's been assigned to guard. I am not selling him as some all nba efensive player, but he's better than Simmons and he starts and guards star Pg nightly. If he could not defend you could not play him at all. He's 24, Simmons is 26.

It is probably a pipedream anyways, Pop is really high with Simmons anyways and it may take for our backcourt to fall flat on their faces for Pop to consider adjustments. We have a good record and are coming along rather well. Simmons has shown signs of shooting the 3 and he shot it in the dleague. He probably needs to be pushed big time to shoot it more. Problem is that you can't trust him to take care if the ball under pressure if you need to sit any of the PG which is why I have stated he's more a wing than a combo guard that you can trust to run the point for stretches and bc he's 26 I don't think all of a sudden he's going to turn into the guy we need.

Live and due by Tony and Patty this season.

Edit: also I am not a super high on stats kind of girl but Simmons has a negative real plus minus defensively while playing in a good team, while MCW has a very good real plus minus defensively while playing in a bad team.

[apalisoc_9]

I would trade mcw for anderson in a heartbeat. Anyone who says otherwise is a fangirl. The main reason is that hed probably bring more in a gsw series.

[Kawhitstorm]

I would trade mcw for anderson in a heartbeat. Anyone who says otherwise is a fangirl. The main reason is that hed probably bring more in a gsw series.

The MAIN reason is his versatility, Pop would turn him into the Bulls version of Ron Harper & use Danny/MCW/Kawhi to implement a scorched earth policy on perimeter players. Fathead meanwhile is a 40 yr old version of Shaun Livingston, the only way he becomes playable is if Adam Silver allows him to use a hoverboard.:lol

[All Mighty Janitor]

He's a point guard so he isn't going to be rated as well as rim protectors.:lol He basically plays the same way as Shumpert who is lanky, quick, athletic & has very good hands. He has a better DRPM than Patrick Beverly who was All-NBA defense 2nd team in 2014.
I'm well aware he wouldn't be rank like a rim protector. I just looked and he is in the positive( I thought he was in the negative.) But I don't fully trust advance metrics which is why I was asking about him. I just remember the Bucks defense getting worse when he got there last year, but perhaps I am mistaken.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'm well aware he wouldn't be rank like a rim protector. I just looked and he is in the positive( I thought he was in the negative.) But I don't fully trust advance metrics which is why I was asking about him. I just remember the Bucks defense getting worse when he got there last year, but perhaps I am mistaken.

He leads all the Bucks staters in Defensive Box Plus/Minus: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2016.html#advanced::24

He is also 6th among starting point guards in Defensive Real Plus/Minus: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1
(http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1)
Their defense became shitty because of Jabari Parker/Monroe.:lol

MCW was the primary defender on Curry & held him in check for two games include their Worriers first loss. He also torched Curry when the Bucks narrowly lost at the Oracle.

[Kawhitstorm]

This ain't happening... giving up Ray and a first is more likely than them giving up Anderson in my estimation. Anderson and MCW are nit swappable, they are guard-forward. Doesn't even make sense fir the bucks who actually start 3 forwards Middleton, Jabari & Antetoukoumpo. Maybe they don't take our first and accept Simmons instead and Ray. You can keep throwing shot to the wall and it won't stick.
They can play Fathead at point guard b/c last I checked they DON'T a point guard outside of MCW.:wakeup

[SAGirl]

Agree with you on this. If you send Simmons to the bucks he will look like a dleaguer and would be turning the ball over at a high rate since there would not be space to drive or pass as well. Anderson would get exposed on defense and would probably be forced into more difficult shots. Both guys benefit from playing in the Spurs and Pop being selective on the matchups they get etc. If anything the guy who would go there and do his thing instantly is Ray since he played in the Kings.

Like I said I supported the trade, but the minutes you are arguing for MCW likely will come from Simmons and situationally the PGs and it doesn't seem like Pop is ready to tame that step as it concerns Tony and Patty at east since even Ray isn't playing much.

[Kawhitstorm]

Like I said I supported the trade, but the minutes you are arguing for MCW likely will come from Simmons and situationally the PGs and it doesn't seem like Pop is ready to tame that step as it concerns Tony and Patty at east since even Ray isn't playing much.

Ray isn't any better defensively than Patty/Tony & is a worse offensive player than either one so there is no need to play him unless one of them is out of the lineup. On the other hand, MCW brings something different to the table & unlike CoJo he can play THREE positions (PG, SG, SF) thus he can easily play 15-20 minutes because of his versatility.

-De Colo averaged 10-12 minutes :lol playing behind Tony/Neal/Marco/Manu/Danny & had to compete for 3rd string PG with Patty/CoJo
-If Fathead/Ray are traded, MCW is going to play behind Tony/Patty/Danny/Kawhi but won't have competition for 3rd string PG.

[All Mighty Janitor]

the bucks in general have suffered bc they don't protect the paint. Jabari is terrible defensively. They have tried him at the 3 and 4 and he's been terrible in both. Monroe you know,about, they are terrible in transition D, but MCW has real size, length and,agility to guard OF and he gets a lot if deflections and steals swarming whoever he's guarding. The bucks in general don't have a good defensive team though. For example send Simmons there and he will look like a flat out scrub, Anderson too probably, although Anderson fits their style better since,they like to create s lot if deflections and that is kind of an Anderson strength. In a good team MCW would be Mich better than Simmons, that part of Kawhitstorm narrative I agree with.

I don't agree with him disparaging everyone else to suit his point and in reality what he's arguing is to substitute Simmons minute s and role with MCW, bc Ray is nit getting playing time and Anderson is a forward. MCW is indeed a better ball handler than Simmons and depending on how high you are on him defensively, MCW is better. He dud do a very good job on Curry when Simmons has been torched by Curry, Irving, Clarkson and pretty much any really aggressive scoring guard or PG he's been assigned to guard. I am not selling him as some all nba efensive player, but he's better than Simmons and he starts and guards star Pg nightly. If he could not defend you could not play him at all. He's 24, Simmons is 26.

It is probably a pipedream anyways, Pop is really high with Simmons anyways and it may take for our backcourt to fall flat on their faces for Pop to consider adjustments. We have a good record and are coming along rather well. Simmons has shown signs of shooting the 3 and he shot it in the dleague. He probably needs to be pushed big time to shoot it more. Problem is that you can't trust him to take care if the ball under pressure if you need to sit any of the PG which is why I have stated he's more a wing than a combo guard that you can trust to run the point for stretches and bc he's 26 I don't think all of a sudden he's going to turn into the guy we need.

Live and due by Tony and Patty this season.

Edit: also I am not a super high on stats kind of girl but Simmons has a negative real plus minus defensively while playing in a good team, while MAC has a very good real plus minus defensively while playing in a bad team.

The Bucks had an aggressive controlled gambling style of defense last year which worked because they could switch and rotate. Now with Jabari And Monroe, who can't close out on shooters, that defense doesn't work. If they are still running that it would explain their shitty D this year. The reason I bring this up is I'm wondering if he can play man to man(like the spurs) or if he thrives in chaos; how are his basic defense principals?

Even is he can defend some guard threats we have, I still don't like him offensively; can't shoot, turns the ball over. Maybe I'm underestimating him though. With some structure maybe he can succeed. If your endorsing him there is definitely a reason to look more carefully. Something to consider is will he get any playing time if he doesn't know the system especially in the second unit and doublely so if one expects him to handle the ball.

[SAGirl]

They can play Fathead at point guard b/c last I checked they DON'T a point guard outside of MCW.:wakeup that is another pipedream. You seem intent on picking up a fight with me when I see your point on MCW clearly. Anderson is being played as a forward by Pop. Most of his real minutes coming as both a 3 and 4, which was also what he played in SL and dleague. Good luck convincing the bucks on giving up MCW for him. They are strong in forwards as it is and need guards. In fact they probably want Patty who can shoot the 3, which is what they really want. We can't afford to loose Patty though. He's our biggest bench scorer without Manu. He's so important to our bench' s offense that we may need to live with Livingston, Austin Rivers and Any other bench guard owning him.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Ray isn't any better defensively than Patty/Tony & is a worse offensive player than either one so there is no need to play him unless one of them is out of the lineup. On the other hand, MCW brings something different to the table & unlike CoJo he can play THREE positions (PG, SG, SF) thus he can easily play 15-20 minutes because of his versatility. (De Colo averaged 10-12 minutes :lol playing behind Tony/Neal/Marco/Manu/Danny & competing with Patty/CoJo)
All valid points, but is it worth giving up promising players with chemistry for a player who's only use (this year) would be a defensive specialist? If Danny, Kawhi and possibly Simmons could fill that use where does that put MCW?

[rasuo214]

If the Spurs are set on competing this season then the SL + Manu, Patty, Diaw and West will be off limits. Simmons, Anderson, Boban, Butler and McCallum are the realistic trade options.

If the Spurs could get Mclemore (could be developed into a Danny/Simmons hybrid) + someone like MCW without trading anyone from the core I would consider that a success.

[Duncanforthree]

The Tiago/Danny PnR is going to wreck the league. Bud::toast

Source: Morning News USA:lmao

Liked.

[Kawhitstorm]

that is another pipedream. You seem intent on picking up a fight with me when I see your point on MCW clearly. Anderson is being played as a forward by Pop. Most of his real minutes coming as both a 3 and 4, which was also what he played in SL and dleague. Good luck convincing the bucks on giving up MCW for him. They are strong in forwards as it is and need guards. In fact they probably want Patty who can shoot the 3, which is what they really want. We can't afford to loose Patty though. He's our biggest bench scorer without Manu. He's so important to our bench' s offense that we may need to live with Livingston, Austin Rivers and Any other bench guard owning him.

They could sign Jimmer tomorrow (or Isaiah Cannan in the Summer) & have him launch 3s while Fathead comes off the bench to preserve their lanky forward rotation instead of trading for Patty.:wakeup

[Kawhitstorm]

All valid points, but is it worth giving up promising players with chemistry for a player who's only use (this year) would be a defensive specialist? If Danny, Kawhi and possibly Simmons could fill that use where does that put MCW?

Simmons is a terrible off ball defender/fouls too much along with being a shaky ball handler thus is practically unplayable in the playoffs.:lol

[SAGirl]

The Bucks had an aggressive controlled gambling style of defense last year which worked because they could switch and rotate. Now with Jabari And Monroe, who can't close out on shooters, that defense doesn't work. If they are still running that it would explain their shitty D this year. The reason I bring this up is I'm wondering if he can play man to man(like the spurs) or if he thrives in chaos; how are his basic defense principals?

Even is he can defend some guard threats we have, I still don't like him offensively; can't shoot, turns the ball over. Maybe I'm underestimating him though. With some structure maybe he can succeed. If your endorsing him there is definitely a reason to look more carefully. Something to consider is will he get any playing time if he doesn't know the system especially in the second unit and doublely so if one expects him to handle the ball.
He's good defensively, that is the extent of my endorsement. He has the tools and is quick enough to bother guards, really challenge shots and close them out.

I think he would be better than Simmons. If you swap them Simmons would turn the ball over at a worse rate in the bucks and get torched on top of that. That point which Kawhitsorm was making I agree with and I can't say Simmons is better offensively bc b4 playing for our SL team, Simmons played for the Nets and he was terrible. He was very inefficient and looked like a scrub. In the Spurs he shined. The system matters. Throw Simmons in a lotto team and he would be terrible, you could see flashes of athleticism but all these guys in lotto teams have that. I do like Simmons more bc he's shown flashes of shooting the 3.

If the trade was for Ray I would be fir it bc Ray isn't playing and his role was really to hustle and play defense (he's been solid on that end IMO, he just doesn't have the size and length MCW has). If the trade was for Simmons I think RC would 've reluctant. Simmons has no midrange game, but has shot the 3. He may yet in time evolve to shoot it more, that has a premium when combined with his athleticism. If the trade was for Anderson I already stated long ago and more than once that I wasn't against it, but I don't see that as an option bc Bucks have a lot of forward s already and not enough guards who can shoot.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Simmons is a terrible off ball defender/fouls too much along with being a shaky ball handler thus is practically unplayable in the playoffs.:lol
Is MCW any better in this department than Simmons? Also, with not being accustomed the offence and defense would he be unplayable in the playoffs as well? Who would be better for the future? I'm not 100% opposed to a trade. It depends on how we would get him.

[All Mighty Janitor]

He's good defensively, that is the extent of my endorsement. He has the tools and is quick enough to bother guards, really challenge shots and close them out.

I think he would be better than Simmons. If you swap them Simmons would turn the ball over at a worse rate in the bucks and get torched on top of that. That point which Kawhitsorm was making I agree with and I can't say Simmons is better offensively bc b4 playing for our SL team, Simmons played for the Nets and he was terrible. He was very inefficient and looked like a scrub. In the Spurs he shined. The system matters. Throw Simmons in a lotto team and he would be terrible, you could see flashes of athleticism but all these guys in lotto teams have that. I do like Simmons more bc he's shown flashes of shooting the 3.

If the trade was for Ray I would be fir it bc Ray isn't playing and his role was really to hustle and play defense (he's been solid on that end IMO, he just doesn't have the size and length MCW has). If the trade was for Simmons I think RC would 've reluctant. Simmons has no midrange game, but has shot the 3. He may yet in time evolve to shoot it more, that has a premium when combined with his athleticism. If the trade was for Anderson I already stated long ago and more than once that I wasn't against it, but I don't see that as an option bc Bucks have a lot of forward s already and not enough guards who can shoot.
If the trade is for Ray I would do it immediately, but I don't think that is realistic. And I hear everything both of you are saying. I just like Simmons I guess. I see more upside(even if he's older) and he knows the system some. I think Simmons is better to finish out the year and better for the future as well. I agree with you about Anderson though; maybe a three way trade but not straight up.

[szkorhetz]

Guys, stop the pipedream.
The Bucks won't give us MCW for basically free.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I know Pop's been changing in the past few years, but I can't see him bringing in an extremely turnover prone, non-shooting PG in mid-season. I think his head would explode during some game. Well either his, or MCW's.

[Kawhitstorm]

I know Pop's been changing in the past few years, but I can't see him bringing in an extremely turnover prone, non-shooting PG in mid-season. I think his head would explode during some game. Well either his, or MCW's.

Big Dummy, he WON'T be playing point guard (see Shumpert):sleep

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Big Dummy, he WON'T be playing point guard (see Shumpert):sleep

Perhaps you get off on some fantasy alternative universe stuff, but in the NBA MCW has played 98% of the time as a PG and the little time he's spent off the ball he's shot .143 from 3.

[r0drig0lac]

MCW for Kyle I'd do...not for Patty though

[cd021]

You really think MCW is good defensively? I haven't seen much of the bucks (or Philly when he was there) and when I do I don't pay him much attention. His metrics had/have him as a bad defender(and a bad player overall) I think. What kind of defensive skills does he have?

I don't watch them much either but i've consistently heard that he is very overrated defensively.

[cd021]

damn..could be a career-ending..

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I was thinking the same thing. Back to back seasons (possibly) ended because of blood clots.

[Chinook]

I was thinking the same thing. Back to back seasons (possibly) ended because of blood clots.

Even more important is that I drafted him high on my fantasy team both times.

[CGD]

Guys, stop the pipedream.
The Bucks won't give us MCW for basically free.

It wouldn't be free.

Ray + this year's 29th is reasonable. The reason Milwaukee hasn't moved him yet this year is because they're looking for a first.

As I mention before, it's a weak draft and spurs have two solid prospects likely coming over next summer. For the 3rd PG this year, your telling me you'd rather have Ray at this point?

[Ice009]

AsImportant as Diaw was in 2014, I hope the Spurs hold on to Diaw as long as he produces.

I would not have a problem trading Diaw simply because he doesn't care enough to come into camp in better shape. I love his game, but I don't like his carefree approach. He is so good and I think could be a much better, consistent player for us if he dropped more weight and got back to the weight he was at during the 2014 OKC and Miami series. The OKC series was the lightest I saw him (weight wise) with the Spurs and I think he played some of his best Basketball in it. I attributed that to him being at an optimal playing weight.

[Chinook]

This is getting annoying. MCW makes like three times as much as Ray. Therefore, the Spurs would have to add salary to make the deal. Has no one looked this up?

It would have to be two or three players for MCW, like Ray and Boban or Bonner, Anderson and Simmons. But then you have to take back some players to make it legal, which adds more MKE salary, which means more Spurs salary, and it ends up being really complicated. Moral of the story is that this isn't a very workable trade, and I can't see why it's being treated as a legitimate idea.

[Chinook]

He be a better trade target in the off-season if Manu leaves and Anderson doesn't seem ready to step up.

[coachmac87]

MCW looks like a retarded Drake

[Dex]

NBA Trade Rumor: Danny Green to Atlanta for Al Horford seems ridiculous

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/2/15/11003054/nba-trade-rumor-danny-green-to-atlanta-for-al-horford-seems-ridiculous

[$pursDynasty]

OK here is a trade I would love, Ray McCallum for Ish Smith. The Spurs need a PG to run the show on Tony rest days. Patty is more of a streaky 2 guard. Ish Smith is a vet and the price is exactly the same salary cap wise. Now why would Philly do that since with Ish the 6ers are actually a treat to win games? Because with Ish the 6ers are a threat to win games, but never be really good. Their process is to lose, win in the lottery and come up like the Thunderrefs via the draft. Ish has them winning or threatening to win too many games. I could trust Smith in the playoffs, to at least hold the fort while Tony gets a breather not sure I could with Ray. Ish isn't a lockdown defender which would be ideal but this is a salary minimum deal that might actually help the team.

[HarlemHeat37]

OK here is a trade I would love, Ray McCallum for Ish Smith. The Spurs need a PG to run the show on Tony rest days. Patty is more of a streaky 2 guard. Ish Smith is a vet and the price is exactly the same salary cap wise. Now why would Philly do that since with Ish the 6ers are actually a treat to win games? Because with Ish the 6ers are a threat to win games, but never be really good. Their process is to lose, win in the lottery and come up like the Thunderrefs via the draft. Ish has them winning or threatening to win too many games. I could trust Smith in the playoffs, to at least hold the fort while Tony gets a breather not sure I could with Ray. Ish isn't a lockdown defender which would be ideal but this is a salary minimum deal that might actually help the team.

In theory, yes, but they're still bad enough that they could get their desired lottery pick, and their mindset with Colangelo on board has probably changed a little(not that Ish for McCallum is even a realistic trade:lol)..Noel(their best player) loves Smith and he has helped elevate his game(significantly), I doubt they trade him..Philly is at the point where they need to keep morale at a reasonable level..

[HarlemHeat37]

This is getting annoying. MCW makes like three times as much as Ray. Therefore, the Spurs would have to add salary to make the deal. Has no one looked this up?

It would have to be two or three players for MCW, like Ray and Boban or Bonner, Anderson and Simmons. But then you have to take back some players to make it legal, which adds more MKE salary, which means more Spurs salary, and it ends up being really complicated. Moral of the story is that this isn't a very workable trade, and I can't see why it's being treated as a legitimate idea.

None of the trade proposals in this thread are realistic, aren't we just speaking for fun?:lol

Shit, Horford for Green was even mentioned on San Antonio radio, apparently, sometimes you just need things to talk about:lol

[$pursDynasty]

In theory, yes, but they're still bad enough that they could get their desired lottery pick, and their mindset with Colangelo on board has probably changed a little(not that Ish for McCallum is even a realistic trade:lol)..Noel(their best player) loves Smith and he has helped elevate his game(significantly), I doubt they trade him..Philly is at the point where they need to keep morale at a reasonable level..
In theory true Heat but maybe it is one of those Manchurian candidate things, it has happened more times than I can count former Lakers or Celtics cutting their old team ridiculous deals that seem to be against the better interests of their current team. We have sleeper agents planted in the 6ers organization and if not for Colangelo I would be pretty confident that something like this would come to pass. Sold as a 'Young Spur with winning mentatlity' joining the 6ers franchise, lol. A lot less shameful and obvious than teams giving up their best players for next to nothing.

[HarlemHeat37]

Bogdanovich is on the block, apparently..would be a great fit, but can't see how the Spurs would make it work..

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Bogdanovich is on the block, apparently..would be a great fit, but can't see how the Spurs would make it work..
Marjanovich for Bogdanovich? :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Even more important is that I drafted him high on my fantasy team both times.

Worried about a fantasy team when a guy's life in at the line:lmao

[Chinook]

None of the trade proposals in this thread are realistic, aren't we just speaking for fun?:lol

Shit, Horford for Green was even mentioned on San Antonio radio, apparently, sometimes you just need things to talk about:lol

There's a difference between proposing unrealistic trades and proposing impossible trades. A Boban/McCallum for MCW is realistic, but Boban is the main guy and no one is talking about him. Or Anderson if he's the asset. Or Simmons plus Bonner. Those are possible but potentially unrealistic trades that we can debate. But when people are like, "Of course I'd trade McCallum for Carter Williams," it's like, "Yeah, Silver would reject that."

But since I kept talking about it, I wouldn't hate Boban and Ray for MCW with Ndoye being signed to a long-term contract. Still like him more than Cady and LJC, and I'd love to the team to lock him up for the post-Duncan transition.

[Kawhitstorm]

Perhaps you get off on some fantasy alternative universe stuff, but in the NBA MCW has played 98% of the time as a PG and the little time he's spent off the ball he's shot .143 from 3.

Go checkout Shumpert (3P: 32%) or Evan Turner (3P: 14%:lol)who play off the ball & are rotation players on playoff team, even CoJo (3P: 25%) used to play off the ball alongside Manu & at time Porker. You also have Shaun Livingston who is a terrible 3 point shooter (16%:lol) but occasional plays off the ball while Draymond/Curry/Iggy handle the ball.

Besides, it's not like MCW is shooting 3s off the dribble like Curry & Fathead is shooting 32% on WIDE open looks while playing off the ball.:lol

Porker in his 4th season shots 27% on 156 attempts along with 18% in the playoffs on 48 attempts (TS%: 49% during the '05 playoff run).:lol

Iggy (the guy who was dared to shoot:lol) shot 31% on 287 attempts with Denver & has now turned into a 40% shooter with the Worriers.

Draymond Green shot 31% during his first 3 seasons.:lol

Thabo shot below 30% in his first 3 seasons with OKC.:lol

LeBron this this is shooting 27% on 195 attempts.:lol

Wade is a career 28% shooter on a 1345 attempts.:lol

Rondo is a career 28% shooter on 586 attempts.:lol

Speedy Claxton was a career 19% shooter on 218 attempts.:lol

TJ Ford was a career 28% shooter on 429 attempts along with a TS% of well below 50% in his first two seasons & had a TS% of 43% the season before he signed with the Spurs.:lol

Kidd in his last season with the Suns shot 29% & had a TS% of 48% in his so called "MVP season" ('01-'02) & his career playoff TS is 49%.:lol

Bowen shot only 33% on 307 attempts in his breakout season with Miami while being dared to shoot & had a TS% of 46% in his first season with the Spurs then suddenly became a lethal shooter when he was started taking over 80% of his 3s from the corner.:lol

Tony Allen has attempted only 363 in his entire 11 year NBA career.:lol
Marco this season: 29.9%:lol vs. MCW (28.9%)....maybe playing on a shitty team has something to do with it:wakeup

[Kawhitstorm]

But since I kept talking about it, I wouldn't hate Boban and Ray for MCW with Ndoye being signed to a long-term contract. Still like him more than Cady and LJC, and I'd love to the team to lock him up for the post-Duncan transition.

Why would they trade for Boban when they are unhappy w/ Monroe's defense & they paid Henson who isn't getting much playing time despite being a beast on defense. They gave up Zaza for nothing b/c they weren't going to find playing time for him.:lol

Kidd is just interested in playing a bunch of 6'8'-6'10" wing players & Kyle is the only one that fit their mold (would be playing over guys like O'Bryant). Ennis ain't even getting burns so Ray is irrelevant outside of salary purposes.

[Maddog]

Marjanovich for Bogdanovich? :lol

I think that exceeds the CBA rule on syllables in a trade involving only two players

[SpursBig3s]

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[look_at_g_shred]

Sac has made Beli available. His shooting is missed.

[BatManu20]

Sac has made Beli available. His shooting is missed.

He's too expensive. He's owed $13M over the next seasons.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think that exceeds the CBA rule on syllables in a trade involving only two players

They aren't giving up Bogdanovic without getting a young prospect or a 1st rd pick back in return. Anyway, he isn't better than a potential buyout candidate such as Kevin Martin & the team doesn't need another defensive midget on the roster.

[Kawhitstorm]

Sac has made Beli available. His shooting is missed.
His shooting was missed against the Worriers.:wakeup

[Robz4000]

Too bad the Spurs don't have a $4.5 mil contract like Bonner's from a few years ago lying around. Swinging a trade for Beli right now sounds good.

[Kawhitstorm]

Too bad the Spurs don't have a $4.5 mil contract like Bonner's from a few years ago lying around. Swinging a trade for Beli right now sounds good.

They can use Bonner's contract to acquire John Leuer but Sarver will just cock-block or Bonner's bitch ass might veto:bang

[Robz4000]

They can use Bonner's contract to acquire John Leuer but Sarver will just cock-block or Bonner's bitch ass might veto:bang

Not interested in a big tbh. Another wing that can move with/without the ball, pass, and shoot the three sounds great.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not interested in a big tbh. Another wing that can move with/without the ball, pass, and shoot the three sounds great.

Boban/Bonner are unplayable in the playoffs & Leuer will come in handy against mobile bigs like Draymond/Blake/Bosh/Davis/Markieff/T-Jones, stretch 4s like Dirk/Ryan Anderson/Love/Illyasova/Patrick Patterson/D-Mo/Meyers Leonard along with shot blockers like Ibaka/DeAndre/Ezeli/Capela who aren't postup players.

Otherwise, if Diaw/West are wetting the bed, in foul trouble or injured the backup option is Rasual who is undersized & will get exposed in a playoff series.:lol

Rasual can be used as the designated shooter assuming he hasn't lost his shooting touch otherwise pickup a buyout candidate like Kevin Martin.

The Dream:

Trade Kyle/Ray for MCW (pickup Kevin Martin to fill the other roster spot)
Trade Bonner for Leuer

Playoff roster:

Timmay/West
LMA/Diaw/Leuer
Kawhi/Butler
Danny/Manu/K-Mart
Tony/Patty/MCW

13 active player in the postseason, so inactive (can change game to game):
-Boban
-Simmons

[SAGirl]

Guys, stop the pipedream.
The Bucks won't give us MCW for basically free.
Agree with you on this. It is a pipedream. The guy they want is more likely Patty. So that is the end of that.

Kawhitstorm is getting all these scenarios to convince us here, but they are pure fiction. The guy that would very likely get it done is Patty. So no. We are staying put. Also, I am kind of leaning with sasaint now. It is probably better to hoard our picks and our prospects and make a move for a better talent than MCW.

The more I considered it, the less I like him, bc we are likely to really need a much better guard than we currently have and better than MCW.

[Chinook]

Leuer won't come in handy at all. Like seriously, what are you smoking? And while Butler isn't going to check Blake or Draymond, he'll be fine as a fifth big in that scenario.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say Nets vet Joe Johnson, to this point, still has not broached the subject of a buyout should no trades materialize this week.

[Chinook]

Damn it, Ace. When I saw you had the most recent post in this thread, I got excited.

[ace3g]

Damn it, Ace. When I saw you had the most recent post in this thread, I got excited.

lol, still quiet on the trade front for all teams...

[Kawhitstorm]

Leuer won't come in handy at all. Like seriously, what are you smoking? And while Butler isn't going to check Blake or Draymond, he'll be fine as a fifth big in that scenario.

Have you ACTUALLY seen Leuer play? He's the white version Patrick Patterson & a better TWO-WAY player than bitch ass Teletovic. I can see him playing a Chris "Birdman" Anderson type role on a contender except he can actually shoot.:lol The Cripples could use him & he can play alongside DeAndre but GM Doc is an idiot.

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[SAGirl]

Sac has made Beli available. His shooting is missed.
Wow how the mighty have fallen, further proof that system does matter. It puts Rays production in the Kings in a lot of perspective for me. Ray may yet looks much better for us next season if he's resigned.

[Kawhitstorm]

Wow how the mighty have fallen, further proof that system does matter. It puts Rays production in the Kings in a lot of perspective for me. Ray may yet looks much better for us next season if he's resigned.

Ray isn't going to get playing time unless Patty is moved.

[SD126]

Ray isn't going to get playing time unless Patty is moved.