2016 NBA Trade Deadline

[raybies]

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Feel like I can fly now that I know how to embed tweets. My post game is now improved and I look forward to more contribution. Thanks

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs with Parker leading the team in WS: 3 x ZERO title:sleep
Spurs with Kawhi leading the team in WS: GOAT season in franchise history :lobt2:

To be fair, 2012-13 TP could do a lot of things but, he could shoot Leonard's free throws for him


Absent when the Spurs closed out the Blazers:sleep
[QUOTE=Kawhitstorm;8430871]Absent when the Spurs closed out the Blazers:sleep
Absent when the Spurs pulled out a gutsy win against OKC:sleep


All moot. If not for Tony, they don't make it passed Dallas.


1-11 in the first 3 quarter of the championship clincher then padding his stats while Kawhi was on the bench writing his MVP speech:lmao

:wow It took kawhi 3 quarters to come up with 5 words?

[Kawhitstorm]

All off-season trolling aside, it really is nice that the Clippers lost Matt Barnes:lol..he wasn't anything special, but still, his hustle/energy gave the Spurs problems..

The only good thing about Barnes was that he stayed in his lane on offense & didn't get in Blake/Cp3 way nor complain about shots.

[raybies]

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[Kawhitstorm]

To be fair, 2012-13 TP could do a lot of things but, he could shoot Leonard's free throws for him

Porker missed a FT during that game, it DOESN'T matter when you miss...it still counts. :sleep

Not to mention Ray Allen drained a 3 right in his mug:lol


All moot. If not for Tony, they don't make it passed Dallas.

The reason it was a 7 game series was b/c Porker kept dribbling & dribbling when the Mavs switched the PnRs:sleep



:wow It took kawhi 3 quarters to come up with 5 words?

It took Porker ONLY 4 quarters to come up with an excuse for why he didn't show up in the first 3 quarters.:sleep

[TD 21]

I get that the Grizzlies have stocked up on draft picks and should still get in and retain their pick, but their wing rotation is more devoid of shooting and overall talent than ever. There's not a single legitimate starter and the only (supposed, since he's unproven) shooter is Adams, who's injured.

Other random thoughts . . .

- I like the Frye pickup. They needed to upgrade the Jefferson/Jones spot in the rotation, with a better and legitimate stretch PF and he makes for an ideal pairing with Thompson, since he can play PF offensively and C defensively.

- If Motiejunas' back recovers, that's a nice pickup too, though I don't see how all of their forwards get the minutes they probably expect, unless he takes Baynes' backup C minutes. Thornton provides a much needed scorer off the bench.

- The pick for Motiejunas could eventually bear fruit, but in the interim, after drafting 37 PF's in the past half decade, the Rockets are down to the injury prone, inconsistent Jones and a past prime Smith, though they did alleviate minutes logjam at two spots.

- Like Motiejunas, the Morris pick could eventually bear fruit, but the Wizards desperately needed a starting caliber PF and they should be getting a motivated player.

[cjw]

It's like a 2019 first. So for all we know CP3 and Blake could both be gone by then. Hell, even DeAndre could be gone.

At least Doc protected them in a downside scenario where they miss the playoffs in 2019 by lottery protecting the pick. He could have pulled a Billy King and left them naked on the downside.

[Kikoluna]

Well, spurs didn't make a move. A little bummed.

[Hoops Czar]

Porker missed a FT during that game, it DOESN'T matter when you miss...it still counts. :sleep

Not to mention Ray Allen drained a 3 right in his mug:lol

Parker didn't miss a series clinching free throw but he hit the game tying three and the go ahead basket all while Kawhi was pondering his thanks for saving my ass speech. Ray allen was Green's responsibility but, maybe if Leonard would have made a conscious effort to go for the rebound instead of standing there, watching everything unfold. BTW, who's mug was crawling up TP's rear, trying to look busy on Ray Allen's corner three :lol?


The reason it was a 7 game series was b/c Porker kept dribbling & dribbling when the Mavs switched the PnRs:sleep

It was a seven game series because Monta Ellis was using wingstop as his personal jizz rag :lol.

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker didn't miss a series clinching free throw but he hit the game tying three and the go ahead basket all while Kawhi was pondering his thanks for saving my ass speech. Ray allen was Green's responsibility but, maybe if Leonard would have made a conscious effort to go for the rebound instead of standing there, watching everything unfold.
EVERY shot count it doesn't matter when you miss. I suggest you sign up for math remediation courses.:wakeup


It was a seven game series because Monta Ellis was using wingstop as his personal jizz rag :lol.

Monta was running high PnRs then beating Tim to the bucket meanwhile Porker couldn't figure out the Mavs pathetic defense until Gm 7. :lol

[gambit1990]

not even a jeff green fan but the clippers getting him for lance stephenson is good for them. not sure what that draft pick they gave up is though...

[Hoops Czar]

EVERY shot count it doesn't matter when you miss. I suggest you sign up for math remediation courses.:wakeup

Apparently, Leonard didn't get that message :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFZZasMfEMU


Monta was running high PnRs then beating Tim to the bucket meanwhile Porker couldn't figure out the Mavs pathetic defense until Gm 7. :lol

Hey, don't rag on the Mavs D. They managed to hold the future finals MVP to 12 ppg :lol. Total non-factor!

[Kawhitstorm]

Looking ahead to the poseason:

-Grizz will get a train run on them in the 1st rd
-Rockets might miss the posteason
-Jazz failed to make themselves a formidable 1st rd opponent by failing to acquiring a starting PG
-Mavs are in no man's land with no future or present
-Blazers might not drop out of the top 8

[look_at_g_shred]

How the fuck we go back to 2013? Kill that noise.

[Kawhitstorm]

Apparently, Leonard didn't get that message :lol

Apparently, Porker didn't get the message there was a Gm 7 & missed the game: 3/12 & outscored by Mario Chalmers in Gm 6/7:lmao


Hey, don't rag on the Mavs D. They managed to hold the future finals MVP to 12 ppg :lol. Total non-factor!

Maybe if his point guard wasn't busy ball hogging & dribbling the air out of the ball he would have had more shot attempts:
-Porker: 123 FGAs
-Kawhi: 65 FGAs

-Manu: 32 assists in 192 minutes
-Porkers: 33 assists in 231 minutes

Point Guard:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

How the fuck we go back to 2013? Kill that noise.
Porker stans can't handle the Kawhitstorm blowing away their agenda.:wakeup

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/LeonardMVP.jpg

[TrainOfThought5]

I get that the Grizzlies have stocked up on draft picks and should still get in and retain their pick, but their wing rotation is more devoid of shooting and overall talent than ever. There's not a single legitimate starter and the only (supposed, since he's unproven) shooter is Adams, who's injured.

Other random thoughts . . .

- I like the Frye pickup. They needed to upgrade the Jefferson/Jones spot in the rotation, with a better and legitimate stretch PF and he makes for an ideal pairing with Thompson, since he can play PF offensively and C defensively.

- If Motiejunas' back recovers, that's a nice pickup too, though I don't see how all of their forwards get the minutes they probably expect, unless he takes Baynes' backup C minutes. Thornton provides a much needed scorer off the bench.

- The pick for Motiejunas could eventually bear fruit, but in the interim, after drafting 37 PF's in the past half decade, the Rockets are down to the injury prone, inconsistent Jones and a past prime Smith, though they did alleviate minutes logjam at two spots.

- Like Motiejunas, the Morris pick could eventually bear fruit, but the Wizards desperately needed a starting caliber PF and they should be getting a motivated player.

Whats the current situation with baynes, i dont keep up with detroit.

[BatManu20]

Pretty funny.

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[SpursFan86]

How you guys managed to turn a trade deadline thread into another Parker vs. Kawhi pissing contest is beyond me :wakeup

[SpursBig3s]

A dream trade for the Spurs will be: Diaw, Slomo, Boban, Simmons, 3 first round picks for Rudy Gay... We desperately need player like Gay, as a real sixth man player for us, as another fire power and a small ball option against the Dubs..


:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

Whats the current situation with baynes, i dont keep up with detroit.

He's actually been really good, lately, probably better than he was with the Spurs..SVG gives him crunch time minutes, too, since teams have been utilizing the Hack-a-Drummond..

[sasaint]

He's actually been really good, lately, probably better than he was with the Spurs..SVG gives him crunch time minutes, too, since teams have been utilizing the Hack-a-Drummond..

Except for getting stuffed by Simmons, I thought Baynes played lights out against the Spurs - one of the best games of his career. Made me wish we could have kept him, tbh.

[spursistan]

Looking ahead to the poseason:

-Grizz will get a train run on them in the 1st rd
-Rockets might miss the posteason
-Jazz failed to make themselves a formidable 1st rd opponent by failing to acquiring a starting PG
-Mavs are in no man's land with no future or present
-Blazers might not drop out of the top 8

yea, going to be boring ass first round with 4-0/4-1 galore..Jazz might take two games vs Thunder/Clips, but that's about it..

Aside from the Clippers, who are in a "last-stand" mode, almost all rest are resigned to who they are in the pecking order..

CROFL at the lottery-bound Pelicans not dealing Anderson and losing him for nothing in FA...

The Rockets are a losing streak away from a complete meltdown they have @Jazz,@Blazers, vs Spurs consectuvely next week..they go 0-3 there, i think they miss the POs an POR sneaks in..

[sasaint]

yea, going to be boring ass first round with 4-0/4-1 galore..Jazz might take two games vs Thunder/Clips, but that's about it..

Aside from the Clippers, who are in a "last-stand" mode, almost all rest are resigned to who they are in the pecking order..

CROFL at the lottery-bound Pelicans not dealing Anderson and losing him for nothing in FA...

The Rockets are a losing streak away from a complete meltdown they have @Jazz,@Blazers, vs Spurs consectuvely next week..they go 0-3 there, i think they miss the POs an POR sneaks in..

Anderson not getting traded was the biggest surprise of the deadline. I am also surprised MCW didn't get moved somewhere.

[elemento]

Next season there is going to be massive festival of overpaying. I'm fucking glad the Spurs will be out of it.

Dwight Howard,Al Horford, Hassan Whiteside, Demar Derozan, Mike Conley, Harrison Barnes, Rajon Rondo, Bradley Beal. Not a single franchise player and all of them will get the MAX or something close to it.

[spursistan]

Next season there is going to be massive festival of overpaying. I'm fucking glad the Spurs will be out of it.

Dwight Howard,Al Horford, Hassan Whiteside, Demar Derozan, Mike Conley, Harrison Barnes, Rajon Rondo, Bradley Beal. Not a single franchise player and all of them will get the MAX or something close to it.

Not even close.. none of these guys graduates beyond a 3rd banana on contender :lol..Either Durant or pass next summer..

[HarlemHeat37]

Next season there is going to be massive festival of overpaying. I'm fucking glad the Spurs will be out of it.

Dwight Howard,Al Horford, Hassan Whiteside, Demar Derozan, Mike Conley, Harrison Barnes, Rajon Rondo, Bradley Beal. Not a single franchise player and all of them will get the MAX or something close to it.

I actually don't think there will be a high demand for Dwight and Rondo, but ya, I'm looking forward to seeing which teams will stupidly pay Conley, Barnes and Beal:lol..Barnes, in particular, I still don't see why there is so much hype around him..

[Kawhitstorm]

Next season there is going to be massive festival of overpaying. I'm fucking glad the Spurs will be out of it.

Dwight Howard,Al Horford, Hassan Whiteside, Demar Derozan, Mike Conley, Harrison Barnes, Rajon Rondo, Bradley Beal. Not a single franchise player and all of them will get the MAX or something close to it.

The supply will drive down the asking price for Noah/Pau & guys like Courtney Lee/Mayo since PATFO will be looking to reload when Tim/Manu retire as champions at the end of the season.:toast

[Kawhitstorm]

I actually don't think there will be a high demand for Dwight and Rondo, but ya, I'm looking forward to seeing which teams will stupidly pay Conley, Barnes and Beal:lol..Barnes, in particular, I still don't see why there is so much hype around him..

I'm convinced that the Mavs will offer Dwert a max for one last run before Dirk retires.:lol

Ezeli is also going to get a max offer or close to it; Eric Gordon/Al Jefferson are going to be the salvage projects.

[kobyz]

A dream trade for the Spurs will be: Diaw, Slomo, Boban, Simmons, 3 first round picks for Rudy Gay... We desperately need player like Gay, as a real sixth man player for us, as another fire power and a small ball option against the Dubs..

Good luck for spurs going with the same team, not taking any chance to bring an addition, and lol fans thinking this is the right way! Like after 5 when i said spurs had to bring another addition if they want to get over the hump and win back to back and all you stupid fans thought it's fine to keep the same team cause they just won a title and it's fine... Also this time you fans look at the stupid record and think because of this the team at the right place roster wise, lol spurs and the fans!

[cjw]

Good luck for spurs going with the same team, not taking any chance to bring an addition, and lol fans thinking this is the right way! Like after 5 when i said spurs had to bring another addition if they want to get over the hump and win back to back and all you stupid fans thought it's fine to keep the same team cause they just won a title and it's fine... Also this time you fans look at the stupid record and think because of this the team at the right place roster wise, lol spurs and the fans!

Just stop. Teams not named the Nets don't trade three first rounders unless you're getting back a superstar. Rudy Gay doesn't.

This isn't NBA 2K

[kobyz]

Just stop. Teams not named the Nets don't trade three first rounders unless you're getting back a superstar. Rudy Gay doesn't.

This isn't NBA 2K

Cause spurs just can't miss oportonity of drafting another garbage slomo, garbage milutinov or whatever? stop being so delusional, spurs needed to take a risk and make a big move, they are not in good place and fans think it's all right...

[cjw]

Cause spurs just can't miss oportonity of drafting another garbage slomo, garbage milutinov or whatever? stop being so delusional, spurs needed to take a risk and make a big move, they are not in good place and fans think it's all right...

You're delusional for thinking Rudy Gay has positive value, let alone more than Diaw. Bad (high usage and inefficient) player on a bad contract.

[kobyz]

You're delusional for thinking Rudy Gay has positive value, let alone more than Diaw. Bad (high usage and inefficient) player on a bad contract.

Rudy Gay very good player just not a leader, so if you put him not as a main guy he could have been for us very positive with his talent and atheltic ability... Diaw is a joke now... The bigger point is not Rudy Gay, is Spurs not in good place and needed to take risk and do significant move...

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/694649917344710656/RpiklifF_bigger.jpg Rod Beard ‏@detnewsRodBeard (https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard)

Back specialists are still reviewing Motiejunas' situation. Small possibility that trade could be voided if things don't check out.







https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/694649917344710656/RpiklifF_bigger.jpg Rod Beard ‏@detnewsRodBeard (https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard)

Usual timing to complete physicals and finish a trade is 72 hours (tonight). #Pistons (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pistons?src=hash) have requested a 24-hour extension (not approved yet).


Rod Beard @detnewsRodBeard
(https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard)
#Pistons (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pistons) SVG on whether Motiejunas trade could be voided: "We’ll see. If they don’t give us more time, we’d have to make a decision."


Rod Beard @detnewsRodBeard
(https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard)
It's important to note that #Pistons (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pistons) have consulted a back specialist in addition to their regular doctors, which is adding to delay.


Rod Beard @detnewsRodBeard
(https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard)
I would believe #Pistons (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pistons) are more concerned about long-term potential issues than rest of this season. Again, trade isn't just for now.


Rod Beard @detnewsRodBeard
(https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard)
Since trade was approved by league on Thu night, 72 hours would be tonight. Extension, if approved, would push it to Monday night.

[spursistan]

D-Mo is damaged goods..seems like Morey knew it all..

[BatManu20]

Not so fast. Montejunas didn't pass his physical.

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[SAGirl]

Not so fast. Montejunas didn't pass his physical.

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I glad for Detroit that they didn't get fleeced. Dmo is a good player, but he seems now firmly in the Varejao, Splitter, Bogut career path. Hopefully fir him he recovers next season bc he's still young but glad the Rockets didn't dump damaged goods on someone else.

[raybies]

I glad for Detroit that they didn't get fleeced. Dmo is a good player, but he seems now firmly in the Varejao, Splitter, Bogut career path. Hopefully fir him he recovers next season bc he's still young but glad the Rockets didn't dump damaged goods on someone else.
I'm happy for them cause of that pick. Late lottery or mid first round pick was a lot for those two.

[kobyz]

If Spurs wanted some type of chance they should have traded for Rudy and start against the Warriors a small ball lineup of: Tony, Danny, Kawhi, Rudy and LMA...

[apalisoc_9]

If Spurs wanted some type of chance they should have traded for Rudy and start against the Warriors a small ball lineup of: Tony, Danny, Kawhi, Rudy and LMA...

:lmao

[elemento]

Not sure where to post this but here we go

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Can't think of a better fit than OKC

A team that heavily relies on ISO-ball missing another scorer and their SG situation stinks with Waiters and Roberson.

[Chinook]

I'd like him on the Spurs just to mentor Anderson. That's the type of offensive game Kyle needs to develop, as he already has the play-making down.

[elemento]

Even though I believe that the OKC fit is better, I think he ends up in CLE with Lebron

[TD 21]

Can't think of a better fit than OKC

A team that heavily relies on ISO-ball missing another scorer and their SG situation stinks with Waiters and Roberson.

Johnson hasn't been able to defend shooting guards for a few years.

The Cavs made sense before the Frye acquisition, but now I don't see a consistent rotation spot. They'd have to expand to ten, but that's probably unlikely and even then, he wouldn't get many minutes.

[elemento]

Johnson hasn't been able to defend shooting guards for a few years.

The Cavs made sense before the Frye acquisition, but now I don't see a consistent rotation spot. They'd have to expand to ten, but that's probably unlikely and even then, he wouldn't get many minutes.

I don't it matters much when you have a guy that can't defend or score like Waiters logging several minutes. Roberson is a good defender, but he offers nothing offensively. If OKC feels that JJ is too much of a liability defensively,he could come off the bench as a scoring punch just like the way OKC does with Kanter.

As for the Cavs, I agree that they have a crowed rotation, but nothing guarantees that they're going to remain healthy. Shumpert is out injured right now.

Why not add talent for the minimum when the guy wants to go there ? I mean, if JJ agrees to go there as everything indicates, I'd say he is ok with a smaller role and he's probably there to chase a ring.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Oops, meant to post in post-trade deal line thread. Carry on.

[TD 21]

I don't it matters much when you have a guy that can't defend or score like Waiters logging several minutes. Roberson is a good defender, but he offers nothing offensively. If OKC feels that JJ is too much of a liability defensively,he could come off the bench as a scoring punch just like the way OKC does with Kanter.

As for the Cavs, I agree that they have a crowed rotation, but nothing guarantees that they're going to remain healthy. Shumpert is out injured right now.

Why not add talent for the minimum when the guy wants to go there ? I mean, if JJ agrees to go there as everything indicates, I'd say he is ok with a smaller role and he's probably there to chase a ring.

Fair enough.

The Heat make sense, partially for now (him and Deng will be playing a lot of small ball power forward, with Bosh out), but more so for next season. People are scoffing at them giving him multi-years, but he'll provide them with a cheap Deng replacement and unlike Deng, I think he's at the point where he'd accept backing up Winslow, playing some small ball power forward and serving as a spot starter for the games Wade misses.

[elemento]

Fair enough.

The Heat make sense, partially for now (him and Deng will be playing a lot of small ball power forward, with Bosh out), but more so for next season. People are scoffing at them giving him multi-years, but he'll provide them with a cheap Deng replacement and unlike Deng, I think he's at the point where he'd accept backing up Winslow, playing some small ball power forward and serving as a spot starter for the games Wade misses.

Yeah I agree with you. Deng has way less leverage right now and depending on how much he asks next season, I think the Heat will let him go. My feeling is that whoever gives him his last fat contract will regret it. Winslow may not be totally ready right now, but Miami knows he is the future. Kid is only 19 y/o and he is already a stud defensively.

[TD 21]

Yeah I agree with you. Deng has way less leverage right now and depending on how much he asks next season, I think the Heat will let him go. My feeling is that whoever gives him his last fat contract will regret it. Winslow may not be totally ready right now, but Miami knows he is the future. Kid is only 19 y/o and he is already a stud defensively.

I think Deng was going to be gone whether they got Johnson or not. Pairing Winslow with Wade will further suffocate their offense, but they're clearly grooming him to start sooner than later. Throw in their financial issues and they were never going to pay Deng. Johnson just makes it easier to do so.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah I agree with you. Deng has way less leverage right now and depending on how much he asks next season, I think the Heat will let him go. My feeling is that whoever gives him his last fat contract will regret it. Winslow may not be totally ready right now, but Miami knows he is the future. Kid is only 19 y/o and he is already a stud defensively.

Deng is probably going to end up in OKC who will be doing everything possible to retain Durant.:lol

[elemento]

Deng is probably going to end up in OKC who will be doing everything possible to retain Durant.:lol

Do they even have cap space after Kanter's max contract ? :lol

I didn't take a look on their cap situation deeply, but after re-signing KD (if they do) I think they're left with only MLE money, even with an increased cap.

[gambit1990]

my dream scenario would be to sign johnson and: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jcnya3h

i'd throw in a draft pick. and would've sent mccallum but he can't be traded until the summer.


that's an awful trade.

While the "name value' may make that trade exciting for some, that is a pretty awful trade.

:lol @ my trade proposal being shot down. whiteside is exactly what we could use/has been putting up monster numbers since.

[cjw]

:lol @ my trade proposal being shot down. whiteside is exactly what we could use/has been putting up monster numbers since.

Losing a wing - where the team has the least depth - for a big - where the team has the most depth - is insane. You're basically replacing Duncan's minutes with Whiteside's (if not Duncan, then Diaw/West), while replacing Green's minutes with friggen Anderson or Simmons (or Martin now).

Dragic also costs about $4 million more per year than Parker and is about to be on the wrong side of 30. Yes, he'd be an upgrade - especially as Parker gets older - but not significant and he's been a disaster learning a new system.

Meanwhile, Whiteside is an impending unrestricted free agent and some idiot is going to PAY him. Would you want to spend $15 million a year on someone who's been a net negative both overall and defensively this year? All while Danny Green is on a very team-friendly deal in a market in which guys like Kent Bazemore are going to make 50% more than him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteha01/on-off/2016/

Thank god you're not the GM. This isn't 2K16.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

:lol @ my trade proposal being shot down. whiteside is exactly what we could use/has been putting up monster numbers since.

Of course it'll be. You want to trade the starting backcourt and any chance of 2017 cap money splash for the chance to pay $75 million to an aging point guard :lol Also, Spurs would hardly be able to re-sign Whiteside in your scenario.

[gambit1990]

Losing a wing - where the team has the least depth - for a big - where the team has the most depth - is insane. You're basically replacing Duncan's minutes with Whiteside's (if not Duncan, then Diaw/West), while replacing Green's minutes with friggen Anderson or Simmons (or Martin now).
in the trade i proposed we would've acquired gerald green. and we would still have butler.


Meanwhile, Whiteside is an impending unrestricted free agent and some idiot is going to PAY him. Would you want to spend $15 million a year on someone who's been a net negative both overall and defensively this year?
he's stopped being a net negative defensively. you should know about something before you type it.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/114257/januarys-top-defender-hassan-whiteside


You want to trade the starting backcourt and any chance of 2017 cap money splash for the chance to pay $75 million to an aging point guard :lol Also, Spurs would hardly be able to re-sign Whiteside in your scenario.
you wanna remind me again how fantastic our starting backcourt has played this year? $40 million left on parker's contract btw. and he's four years older than dragic. and dragic is an actual pg. resigning whiteside is an afterthought. it's about winning now.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

you wanna remind me again how fantastic our starting backcourt has played this year? $40 million left on parker's contract btw. and he's four years older than dragic. and dragic is an actual pg. resigning whiteside is an afterthought. it's about winning now.

Regardless of your unfounded crush on Dragic ( him and Parker have comparable stats, Parker shoots better and has a better PER ), you shouldn't be surprised at people shooting down your proposal of destroying the Spurs next 3/4 years for the chance to 'win now' with a mid-season major roster turnover of a 56-10 team.

[gambit1990]

Regardless of your unfounded crush on Dragic ( him and Parker have comparable stats, Parker shoots better and has a better PER ), you shouldn't be surprised at people shooting down your proposal of destroying the Spurs next 3/4 years for the chance to 'win now' with a mid-season major roster turnover of a 56-10 team.
right because trading parker, green, bonner for whiteside, dragic, mcroberts, and gerald green = destroying the spurs for the next 3/4 years :lmao

[DPG21920]

It's not just about next year, this year is important.

As bad as TP has been, Goran has been worse. So you are taking something that is a concern this year and making it worse because of actual play and learning curve.

Whiteside has made much progress since your post, but that still doesn't change certain aspects of why it would be a bad trade. You going to bench Duncan? Highly doubtful and you are now talking about losing Danny with again a guy in Gerald Green who's been worse.

It didn't make sense for either team. The fact WS & Goran have been playing better lately doesn't change that. At all.

[gambit1990]

goran is an actual pg. if you sum up their careers, parker is better. absolutely, no doubt. but goran's pg ability (minus scoring) > parker.

dragic has a high bb iq, would fit in like a glove. i wouldn't expect the curve to be as hard for him as other players. if we had moved parker the ball would be in kawhi and la's hands more, like it should be. so it's not even like we'd be asking/expecting a ton from him.

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and whiteside could come off the bench with diaw or west... and we'd have a mobile shot blocker off the bench ! a young, mobile shot blocker on the team even.

and i wasn't saying gerald was better than danny. i was paying a sacrifice. you have to give to take.

[Chinook]

That trade would have been abysmal. The Spurs absolutely don't need Whiteside, and it's crazy that you'd want to give up rotation players to bring him in when he's probably a rental. And Dragic on his deal is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse than Parker. This isn't a take I'd brag about if I were you.

[Obstructed_View]

goran is an actual pg. if you sum up their careers, parker is better. absolutely, no doubt. but goran's pg ability (minus scoring) > parker.

Lots of guys were more of a pure point guard than Parker, so summing up the career is an important step. :bobo

[DPG21920]

Not to mention that as bad as TP has been at times, Goran's impact has been WORSE THIS YEAR. He's a fine player, but he would have a learning curve and is not playing very good ball this year either.

Whiteside is not enough to make up for any part of the trade while in a bubble Whiteside is the most valuable talented player in the proposed deal.

[cjw]

I love being told that I know nothing about basketball when you quote one month's worth of stats as being more useful than an entire season's worth of stats. Whiteside is a stat padder who will go for blocks instead of fitting into the system.

As a few have mentioned, Dragic's deal sucks and Whiteside's will suck even more. I probably wouldn't do the deal if contracts didn't matter, but they do. Whiteside could bounce in the offseason for nothing, and in the meantime clogs the big rotation.

And laugh at Gerald Green being the answer. Can you think of two bigger disasters in the Spurs' system than Gerald and Whiteside?

[gambit1990]

it is absolutely stunning how y'all can repudiate the presence whiteside would have for us.


And laugh at Gerald Green being the answer.

and i wasn't saying gerald was better than danny. i was paying a sacrifice. you have to give to take.
do you know how to read?

[cjw]

it is absolutely stunning how y'all can repudiate the presence whiteside would have for us.



do you know how to read?

Yes. Gerald Green isn't someone the Spurs would ever acquire midseason. So why on earth suggest it? He would get zero rotation minutes.

I'm not sure Whiteside and Duncan can play together either, so that seriously limits the front court lineups.

If Whiteside's as good as you say he is, you're willing to pay him a max deal and hamstring the team's flexibility going forward?

There's a reason the Heat didn't trade him - teams didn't value him for much at all. Otherwise they would have cashed in their chips in a lost season with Bosh down.

[gambit1990]

Gerald Green isn't someone the Spurs would ever acquire midseason. So why on earth suggest it?
never said it was plausible.

I'm not sure Whiteside and Duncan can play together either, so that seriously limits the front court lineups.
right, cause bringing diaw + west never limits our front court :lol (for the record: i had even said i'd bring him off the bench.)

If Whiteside's as good as you say he is, you're willing to pay him a max deal and hamstring the team's flexibility going forward?
never said i was wiling to pay him. actually said winning now is what's important.

[BatManu20]

I think Whiteside A) Will command too much money, and B) Is too much of a knucklehead for Pop and RC to be legitimately interested tbh. He's kind of a dumbass.

[gambit1990]

I think Whiteside A) Will command too much money, and B) Is too much of a knucklehead for Pop and RC to be legitimately interested tbh. He's kind of a dumbass.
the trade i proposed was tony, danny, matt for whiteside, dragic, mcroberts, and gerald green. resigning whiteside would be an afterthought. winning now is what matters. tim isn't playing forever.

[AFMadison]

the trade i proposed was tony, danny, matt for whiteside, dragic, mcroberts, and gerald green. resigning whiteside would be an afterthought. winning now is what matters. tim isn't playing forever.
I'm glad you're not in the FO

[gambit1990]

I'm glad you're not in the FO
i'm even happier you're not in the FO.

[AFMadison]

i'm even happier you're not in the FO.
Team would be the same as it is now tbh. I have faith in Pop

[gambit1990]

I have faith in Pop
same amount he's had in bonner?

[AFMadison]

same amount he's had in bonner?
http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4636903/cockypop2.gif

[gambit1990]

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4636903/cockypop2.gif
yeah, we won those five because of matt bonner's great play in the playoffs :lol

[AFMadison]

yeah, we won those five because of matt bonner's great play in the playoffs :lol
We won as a team, Bonner helped us with the Thunder to get 5. Team chemistry goes beyond playing time.

[gambit1990]

Team chemistry goes beyond playing time.
that's why patty should start over parker.

[AFMadison]

that's why patty should start over parker.
Nah

[gambit1990]

Nah
so... what is it you think parker does so much better than mills?

[AFMadison]

Fits better with the 1st unit. Same goes for Patty with the second unit.

[cjw]

I'm glad you're not in the FO

gambit continually gets lambasted for this awful trade idea and continues to try defending himself. Now he says he's okay with "win now" mode which means trading one of two guys on your team that can defend wings (Green) for a redundant part THIS YEAR in Whiteside (may be different if Duncan retires, but you could lose Whiteside for nothing anyway).

Full of contradictions.

[K...]

Lmao... Trade Parker for a pass first pg...But also let's starts no pass patty mills


Lmao..why won't you admit Whiteside is a real boss (proceeds to ignore how boss Duncan and lma are)

Lmao Danny green for Gerald green


Lmao rental for Whiteside,, paying for tosb dragic

Lmao Slovenian pg

[cjw]

:lol @ my trade proposal being shot down. whiteside is exactly what we could use/has been putting up monster numbers since.

Whiteside getting schooled in garbage time by friggen Boban. Also he's never seen a shot he hasn't wanted to swat out of bounds and give the shooting team a mulligan.

Empty stats guy who is about to get maxed.

[Chinook]

Boban getting schooled in garbage time by friggen Boban.

Dude's self-taught.

http://img03.deviantart.net/6aef/i/2015/109/1/8/self_taught_by_matus76-d6ssd68.jpg

[Chinook]

But yeah, it was a bad proposal in almost every facet.

[cjw]

Dude's self-taught.

http://img03.deviantart.net/6aef/i/2015/109/1/8/self_taught_by_matus76-d6ssd68.jpg

Wow, too mesmerized by him. Time to fix that.

[spurtech09]

????????

[gambit1990]

gambit continually gets lambasted for this awful trade idea and continues to try defending himself. Now he says he's okay with "win now" mode which means trading one of two guys on your team that can defend wings (Green) for a redundant part THIS YEAR in Whiteside (may be different if Duncan retires, but you could lose Whiteside for nothing anyway).

Full of contradictions.
-how stupid can you be? i said from the start that the point of my trade proposal was to win now
-yeah, i would've sacrificed green in part to get whiteside... we would've still had butler to defend wings. how does having whiteside make him redundant on this team??? according to you he'd be redundant because we have someone who's turning 40 next month :lol
-you said i'm full of contradictions... look up that word in the dictionary before you use it you stupid bitch.


Empty stats guy who is about to get maxed.

But yeah, it was a bad proposal in almost every facet.
you two are so right, whiteside wouldn't be exactly what we need on the defensive side. we have diaw and west and boban to block all those dunks okc attempted against us!

[cjw]

-how stupid can you be? i said from the start that the point of my trade proposal was to win now
-yeah, i would've sacrificed green in part to get whiteside... we would've still had butler to defend wings. how does having whiteside make him redundant on this team??? according to you he'd be redundant because we have someone who's turning 40 next month :lol
-you said i'm full of contradictions... look up that word in the dictionary before you use it you stupid bitch.



you two are so right, whiteside wouldn't be exactly what we need on the defensive side. we have diaw and west and boban to block all those dunks okc attempted against us!

Wow, putting all that weight on a game without five of your key players including your best two bigs. If you answer this adequately, I'll shut up but if you're in win now mode, why do you give up one of the best 3 and D players in the league that you NEED to beat the only team ahead of you in the standings (Green) for a redundant player in Whiteside (Aldridge is way better, and Duncan is still a better defender - defense isn't all about swatting the ball out of bounds). He's also unplayable against GS smallball lineups if you want to use Aldridge.

Whiteside is redundant with Duncan this year, and is an UFA this offseason. Danny Green for a rental ... lol

Seriously, just go back to your phantom world of 2K trades and spare us the drivel.

[gambit1990]

my dream scenario would be to sign johnson and: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jcnya3h

that's an awful trade.

While the "name value' may make that trade exciting for some, that is a pretty awful trade.

That trade would have been abysmal. The Spurs absolutely don't need Whiteside, and it's crazy that you'd want to give up rotation players to bring him in when he's probably a rental. And Dragic on his deal is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse than Parker. This isn't a take I'd brag about if I were you.

But yeah, it was a bad proposal in almost every facet.

I'm not sure Whiteside and Duncan can play together either, so that seriously limits the front court lineups.

right, cause bringing diaw + west never limits our front court :lol

for a redundant part THIS YEAR in Whiteside

how does having whiteside make him redundant on this team??? according to you he'd be redundant because we have someone who's turning 40 next month :lol
whiteside wouldn't have helped grab some rebounds last night? :lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

^^No, because he's injured and will be limited if he even returns at any point in the playoffs:lol

Joe Johnson has been a fucking embarrassment in the playoffs, btw:lol..consistently one of the worst players on the floor..

[spursistan]

Should have looked to move Diaw/Mills back then, tbh..

[Chinook]

Gambit has to be the dumbest poster this side of Fuzz. Worst bumps ever.

[gambit1990]

^^No, because he's injured and will be limited if he even returns at any point in the playoffs:lol
if whiteside was traded to us and injured atm, we'd still have mcroberts. taller, younger, more athletic than diaw and west. led all big men in assists a season or two ago. fantastic court vision and passing ability:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNubLMoov8M

and dragic would've been an upgrade.

[gambit1990]

Gambit has to be the dumbest poster this side of Fuzz. Worst bumps ever.
whiteside, dragic, mcroberts > parker, green

everyone on this board agrees we need a pg for next season. with my trade proposal, that wouldn't be a concern.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

No way Miami does that trade...

[gambit1990]

No way Miami does that trade...
i do not argue it was a very implausible trade. what's SO funny is that posters here shit on the proposal even if it was totally plausible.

obviously you recognize we would get back more than what we would be giving away :toast

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

i do not argue it was a very implausible trade. what's SO funny is that posters here shit on the proposal even if it was totally plausible.

obviously you recognize we would get back more than what we would be giving away :toast

Agreed I would do that trade in a heartbeat but Miami would be dumb to accept such a lopsided deal...

[gambit1990]

Agreed I would do that trade in a heartbeat but Miami would be dumb to accept such a lopsided deal...
post more tbh.

it is a very lopsided deal. some posters here think it would've been a terrible trade for us :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

If they want to waive Bonner for a rim protector, Emeka Okafor would be interesting but the guy might have called it a career & Dalembert might be completely washed up at this point.

:wakeup

[Chinook]

post more tbh.

it is a very lopsided deal. some posters here think it would've been a terrible trade for us :lol

Lol at "some posters" meaning every poster besides a handful of GNSFs.

Trade sucks, dude. It sucked when Whiteside was an overrated player who would get paid too much to keep. It sucks even more now that Whiteside is an INJURED overrated player who would get paid too much to keep. And for all the improvement that Dragic has shown in the post-season, he's still a net-negative player who's putting up a whopping .87 ppp. It's bonkers you want to pay $37 Million for that combo -- $44 Million if you count McRoberts. That completely ignores that the Spurs would have to lose more salary just to have the cap space to retain Whiteside.

Your deal was stupid for a lot of reasons, but most of them were structural. There won't ever be an outcome that would make it work. It'll never be worthy of a bump. That you can't see the real issues with your proposal is why you're in Fuzz territory even before we debate the on-court stuff. This thread should be locked, as it's obviously not relevant anymore and never will be again.

[gambit1990]

you must be huge fan of our diaw/west combo :lol

the trade was never about retaining whiteside. this could be manu & td's last year, the trade was about winning now.

[cjw]

you must be huge fan of our diaw/west combo :lol

the trade was never about retaining whiteside. this could be manu & td's last year, the trade was about winning now.

I guess you're okay without the Spurs' third best player in the series (Green). Who the hell is replacing him? Gerald Green?

[gambit1990]

I guess you're okay without the Spurs' third best player in the series (Green). Who the hell is replacing him? Gerald Green?
we would still have butler.

[gambit1990]

Trade sucks, dude.

whiteside, dragic, mcroberts > parker, green

everyone on this board agrees we need a pg for next season. with my trade proposal, that wouldn't be a concern.

-diaw and west: too short
-boban: could get blown by
-duncan: 40 years old

yeah, the last thing we need on this team is two young, athletic big men :lmao

i already told you dragic was better than parker. you didn't like that either :lol

[Chinook]

-diaw and west: too short
-boban: could get blown by
-duncan: 40 years old

yeah, the last thing we need on this team is two young, athletic big men :lmao

i already told you dragic was better than parker. you didn't like that either :lol


Trade sucks, dude. It sucked when Whiteside was an overrated player who would get paid too much to keep. It sucks even more now that Whiteside is an INJURED overrated player who would get paid too much to keep. And for all the improvement that Dragic has shown in the post-season, he's still a net-negative player who's putting up a whopping .87 ppp. It's bonkers you want to pay $37 Million for that combo -- $44 Million if you count McRoberts. That completely ignores that the Spurs would have to lose more salary just to have the cap space to retain Whiteside.

Your deal was stupid for a lot of reasons, but most of them were structural. There won't ever be an outcome that would make it work. It'll never be worthy of a bump. That you can't see the real issues with your proposal is why you're in Fuzz territory even before we debate the on-court stuff. This thread should be locked, as it's obviously not relevant anymore and never will be again.

I really think you've sprouted a leak up there. The Spurs get burned just as badly with that deal, but then they end up in a terrible cap position going forward in addition to not even having Whiteside.

[gambit1990]

what do we need going forward? a pg. how about big men who aren't too short, someone who isn't too slow, and someone who isn't 40?

dragic, whiteside, mcroberts for tony and danny?


The Spurs get burned just as badly with that deal
:lol

[kobyz]

A dream trade for the Spurs will be: Diaw, Slomo, Boban, Simmons, 3 first round picks for Rudy Gay... We desperately need player like Gay, as a real sixth man player for us, as another fire power and a small ball option against the Dubs and thunder..

It was big mistake not trading for Gay, with him we would had the material to go small and counter what okc did to us...

[tholdren]

It was big mistake not trading for Gay, with him we would had the material to go small and counter what okc did to us...
Gay for who? Bonner? Ok. Spurs needed someone to either put the ball on the floor and attack the basket or get them into transition offense. Spurs didnt have the coaching insight to tell the players STOP SHOOTING JUMPERS. The "game plan" just emphasized the age and the athleticism. Gregg is an idiot, and for "as smart" as everyone thinks SA players are - they sure looked stupid this series.