ESPN: Spurs Emerging as Favorites to Sign Kevin Martin

[spurtech09]

How about Marcus Thornton ?

[TheDoctor]

If Martin doesn't get a buyout I wouldn't be opposed to the Spurs going after Beno tbh.

Beno had surgery last week. Foot injury. He's expected to miss at least three months in recovering.

[Mel_13]

How about Marcus Thornton ?

He has one major advantage over Martin. He's actually been waived by his former team.

[TrainOfThought5]

no that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying his usage rate will drop, he will have less touches assisted or not, naturally your shooting % is usually better because your shot selection is better (see Parker Tony for instance). I'm also saying his mid range jumpers inefficiency at .38 is irrelevant... You said he will play same role as Beli and I'm fine with that, Beli was shooting in average two mid range per game so yeah getting .38 out of them or .45 won't change much the outcome of a game. Then I'd be curious to see the numbers showing he is shooting better when not assisted, I believe if you make that call, you must have something to back it up.



Or like West he is too old for 20 mpg and 9 FGAs per game. I just don't see how this logic would work for West but not for Mart. Parker is shooting better this year than previous years and he is not getting more lay ups than before, his role is just different with less load to carry and less minutes resulting in a better shot selection, less fatigue then better efficiency. Again I don't see why this could not apply for a guy like KMart.



Not sure why bringing jimmer into that, different player, different role, different age, different everything actually. I'm fine with you saying dude sucks and he is not a good fit but bringing his FG% of his season with Minny is irrelevant.





No I believe the way Spurs will use him as low usage rate coming off the bench for 10/15 mpg ala Beli shooting 3s he could be useful for a vet min price. I also say who cares about his mid range JS for 2 FGAs ? I also say .37 is not a bad % from 3 even though it is inferior to team's average that has anyway a low % of 3s FGAs compared to previous seasons. Are you implying with the Spurs he could not average 2-3 FGAs at .37 and he will become TOV prone or something ? You take him because its cheap, because he can shoot 3s and you are lacking 3s and he can bring the ball to half court without losing it.

Are you a center because i love your post work!! :toast

[Robz4000]

Beno had surgery last week. Foot injury. He's expected to miss at least three months in recovering.

Oh damn, didn't see det.

[dabom]

I see a lot of predictable over analysis, from the usual suspects, who automatically don't want any player in their 30's, that used to be a prominent name.

As usual, they're missing the point. It's not about wanting Martin; it's about this team's needs and him being the best possible solution.

Ginobili is going to be out a while longer, which will give them time to evaluate Martin (if/when he get's bought out and signed) and Anderson in the rotation simultaneously. No decision has to be made yet. It's something that can work itself out in time.

TD21 a maestro fo show.

[TrainOfThought5]

I see a lot of predictable over analysis, from the usual suspects, who automatically don't want any player in their 30's, that used to be a prominent name.

As usual, they're missing the point. It's not about wanting Martin; it's about this team's needs and him being the best possible solution.

Ginobili is going to be out a while longer, which will give them time to evaluate Martin (if/when he get's bought out and signed) and Anderson in the rotation simultaneously. No decision has to be made yet. It's something that can work itself out in time.

Ill always choose to develop young talent over bringing in postprime vets but i have to say i love west, and if Kmart can bring positive impact like that to our wing situation im all for it. Hows his defense though?

[TheDoctor]

Ill always choose to develop young talent over bringing in postprime vets...

Obviously you ain't a Spurs fan, because that's what we do.

[dabom]

Ill always choose to develop young talent over bringing in postprime vets but i have to say i love west, and if Kmart can bring positive impact like that to our wing situation im all for it. Hows his defense though?

He would be used with the bench mostly.

[tholdren]

Ill always choose to develop young talent over bringing in postprime vets but i have to say i love west, and if Kmart can bring positive impact like that to our wing situation im all for it. Hows his defense though?
His defense is terrible. He's slow and fragile with out much grit or defensive instincts. Doesn't matter though. spurs need a scorer. He fits that and is a character guy. Id sign him to be a bench filler - which is all this signing is.

[Chinook]

I see a lot of predictable over analysis, from the usual suspects, who automatically don't want any player in their 30's, that used to be a prominent name.

As usual, they're missing the point. It's not about wanting Martin; it's about this team's needs and him being the best possible solution.

Ginobili is going to be out a while longer, which will give them time to evaluate Martin (if/when he get's bought out and signed) and Anderson in the rotation simultaneously. No decision has to be made yet. It's something that can work itself out in time.

I'm pretty sure only one person didn't want Martin out of hand. Maybe a couple more, but there wasn't any analysis there. Now, do some people not believe he's good enough for a rotation spot? Obviously. And I believe it's perfectly healthy to believe that random mostly done folks aren't better than the rotation players on a 50-9 team. But I guess that's silly.

[dabom]

No one is saying he would be a "rotation player" :lmao. Just a 12-15 end of the bench guy faggot. :lmao

[Solid D]

The only thing Martin can do is score and get to the line. No D and no rebounding.

[pgardn]

http://media.fyre.co/vbxNjraOTv22CYkQx6VX_This%20team%20is%20so%20dumb. gif

Thats really unfair pulling an order of operations stunt.
Spines have been severed using this trickery.

[TheDoctor]

Thats really unfair pulling an order of operations stunt.
Spines have been severed using this trickery.

:lol PEMDAS!

[TrainOfThought5]

The only thing Martin can do is score and get to the line. No D and no rebounding.

THats my question... how little D are we talking? Kmart > Belli > Neal?

[Hoops Czar]

The only thing Martin can do is score and get to the line. No D and no rebounding.

The Spurs are near the bottom in free throw attempts per game and they desperately could use another 3-point shooter. It's not a bad weapon to have coming off the bench. Nobody expects him to be some sort of revelation. You normally don't find complete players at the buy out deadline.

[ElNono]

I see a lot of predictable over analysis, from the usual suspects, who automatically don't want any player in their 30's, that used to be a prominent name.

As usual, they're missing the point. It's not about wanting Martin; it's about this team's needs and him being the best possible solution.

Ginobili is going to be out a while longer, which will give them time to evaluate Martin (if/when he get's bought out and signed) and Anderson in the rotation simultaneously. No decision has to be made yet. It's something that can work itself out in time.

yeah, this move is unlikely to be anything long term... just picking from what's available based on needs.

[TrainOfThought5]

The Spurs are near the bottom in free throw attempts per game and they desperately could use another 3-point shooter. It's not a bad weapon to have coming off the bench. Nobody expects him to be some sort of revelation. You normally don't find complete players at the buy out deadline.

:bobo

[BatManu20]

Looking like the Wolves are gonna hang onto Martin.

[look_at_g_shred]

I hear Beasley was named the MVP in his league overseas..

[dabom]

Looking like the Wolves are gonna hang onto Martin.

[raybies]

Looking like the Wolves are gonna hang onto Martin.

Probably playing hardball with him. Both seeing who will flinch first.

[LakerHater]

Looking like the Wolves are gonna hang onto Martin.

Figured, since nothing has happened with him!

[SpurPadre]

I hear Beasley was named the MVP in his league overseas..

Like TMAC a few years ago, lol.

[NASpurs]

New Spurstalk low :lol let's get this up to 100 pgs fellas.

[Thomas82]

I see a lot of predictable over analysis, from the usual suspects, who automatically don't want any player in their 30's, that used to be a prominent name.

As usual, they're missing the point. It's not about wanting Martin; it's about this team's needs and him being the best possible solution.

Ginobili is going to be out a while longer, which will give them time to evaluate Martin (if/when he get's bought out and signed) and Anderson in the rotation simultaneously. No decision has to be made yet. It's something that can work itself out in time.

Cosign!!

[SpurPadre]

Worse than the predictable over analysis is the predictable overlong thread for a player we aren't going to get.

[Solid D]

THats my question... how little D are we talking? Kmart > Belli > Neal?

Neal-like. With no experience in the defensive system of the Spurs, probably < Neal.

[SpurPadre]

Neal-like. With no experience in the defensive system of the Spurs, probably < Neal.

You think Martin wouldn't be able to cover a guy missing a shoe?

[Solid D]

You think Martin wouldn't be able to cover a guy missing a shoe?

Haha, well, that was one play. Body of work + no experience in the system, < Neal.

[SAGirl]

Looking like the Wolves are gonna hang onto Martin.
That is what I thought, thus I stayed out of this one. It didn't seem like he was going to get waived in time. Also I don't know K.Martin's game much anyways, but I wasn't even remotely interested after reading Chinook. He seems like a gimmicky scorer with no D that would struggle to fit in our system on both ends. The bench already has some severe defensive problems, so no thanks. I was as excited about this news as Reggie Williams last season, which is to say, not at all.

The better news are Manu looking like he's on schedule for March 10 or so and Anderson finding an offensive groove. Those two finding rhythm together is probably the best for the team anyways.

[SpurPadre]

Haha, well, that was one play. Body of work + no experience in the system, < Neal.

One can easily make a compilation video of Neal's attempts at defense to the tune of the Benny Hill theme. I'm not so sure I can say the same thing about Martin. But I'll have to check out Martin's career advanced stats to see how bad his defense really is...

[spurtech09]

:(

[Darius Bieber]

Well the deadline has passed (midnight EST, I believe). This thread can be put to rest.

[jon123spurs]

Well the deadline has passed (midnight EST, I believe). This thread can be put to rest.

Nope its tomorrow night. So we got another day to hope Minnesota buys him out.

[bdictjames]

I'm for the Spurs getting a third-string veteran scorer to help. Maybe he can teach Danny Green how to shoot again, lol. But in seriousness, we could use the offensive firepower. We can make up for his defensive inefficiencies, Pop has a way of lighting people's asses.

[jiggy_55]

As I understood, the deadline is March 1. He has a day left to be bought out.

[K...]

Why wouldn't mini sign the waiver? Does the waiver obligate them to buy him out or just establish that they could?

[BatManu20]

As I understood, the deadline is March 1. He has a day left to be bought out.

Yea it was March 1st at 12:00AM EST, which has passed.

[BillMc]

New Spurstalk low :lol let's get this up to 100 pgs fellas.

It can't be lower than the Jimmer thread! :)

[Sean Cagney]

It can't be lower than the Jimmer thread! :)

Jimmer was actually briefly signed though :lol

[raybies]

I thought it was at 5est PM today or something like that.

[SD126]

I thought it was at 5est PM today or something like that.

It is. But won't be surprise if Minny hangs on to Martin tbh

[will_spurs]

Worse than the predictable over analysis is the predictable overlong thread for a player we aren't going to get.

And the longer the thread goes, the less we're going to get him.

[Indazone]

Kmart is a deadly three point shooter. If nothing else, he can play the role that Steve Kerr and Brett Barry played for the Spurs.

[td4mvp2k]

Nope its tomorrow night. So we got another day to hope Minnesota buys him out.hope? lol spurs hopes on winning a chip wont be cuz they signed martin... it could even hurt them tbh

[cutewizard]

who cares?

we can have Bargnani

[SD126]

One can easily make a compilation video of Neal's attempts at defense to the tune of the Benny Hill theme. I'm not so sure I can say the same thing about Martin. But I'll have to check out Martin's career advanced stats to see how bad his defense really is...

He makes Neal look like Bruce Bowen on defense.

[jiggy_55]

Yea it was March 1st at 12:00AM EST, which has passed.

That's not correct. It would be midnight on March 1, not midnight on Feb. 29.

"ESPN's Marc Stein reported the Spurs have made the strongest pitch among all the playoff contenders vying for Martin's services. But Martin would need to part ways with the Timberwolves by midnight ET Tuesday in order for the guard to be playoff-eligible for his next team. If the Spurs were able to sign Martin, they'd be forced to part ways with yet another player on the current roster."

Source: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin)

[buttsR4rebounding]

Looking like the Wolves are gonna hang onto Martin.
On Minnesota sports talk they seem to think it will happen. They are supposedly negotiating set points that reduce Minnesota payment by X amount if he signs a 2017 contract for y amount.

[ceperez]

That's not correct. It would be midnight on March 1, not midnight on Feb. 29.

"ESPN's Marc Stein reported the Spurs have made the strongest pitch among all the playoff contenders vying for Martin's services. But Martin would need to part ways with the Timberwolves by midnight ET Tuesday in order for the guard to be playoff-eligible for his next team. If the Spurs were able to sign Martin, they'd be forced to part ways with yet another player on the current roster."

Source: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin)



Clock is ticking... Kevin Martin will need to compromise if he's got any chance at getting that ring. I don't think there's cap space for him in any of the contending teams next year.

[Chinook]

That's not correct. It would be midnight on March 1, not midnight on Feb. 29.

"ESPN's Marc Stein reported the Spurs have made the strongest pitch among all the playoff contenders vying for Martin's services. But Martin would need to part ways with the Timberwolves by midnight ET Tuesday in order for the guard to be playoff-eligible for his next team. If the Spurs were able to sign Martin, they'd be forced to part ways with yet another player on the current roster."

Source: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin)



Well, midnight of 3/1 happened already. They might mean 11:59 p.m. today, but the next midnight is on 3/2. I'm not arguing that Martin or anyone can't still be eligible for the playoffs if they're waived today. I'm just saying ESPN should be more careful.

[NASpurs]

Yea it was March 1st at 12:00AM EST, which has passed.


That's not correct. It would be midnight on March 1, not midnight on Feb. 29.

"ESPN's Marc Stein reported the Spurs have made the strongest pitch among all the playoff contenders vying for Martin's services. But Martin would need to part ways with the Timberwolves by midnight ET Tuesday in order for the guard to be playoff-eligible for his next team. If the Spurs were able to sign Martin, they'd be forced to part ways with yet another player on the current roster."

Source: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin)



Same exact thing.

[SupremeGuy]

So is NBA = Fucked yet?

[Ice009]

So is the deadline tonight or has it already passed. I thought it ended 12am Tuesday, which means that it has passed.

[Chinook]

Same exact thing.

Yeah, but the CBA FAQ seems to imply that they mean after 3/1, which means they have until 11:59 p.m. today. Again, ESPN miswrote the time, but they probably also mean today is the last day.

[Brazil]

Are you a center because i love your post work!! :toast

:lol

:tu

[TXstbobcat]

I'll be downtown this afternoon anyway. I will stop by the target center and get this all wrapped up and broker a deal. Or get thrown out for demanding to see wolves mgt while wearing a Spurs jersey. :rollin

[Brazil]

Then you clearly didn't understand. I have never spoken out against him getting signed. I did speak out against the idea that he would or should be handed a rotation spot. That has been a stance I have repeated over and over in this thread, along with the fact that Butler is better than Martin. If you want to actually know, read the thread. It's not THAT long.


Seriously, Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466), this is my first response to you. It is clearly not me just saying Martin sucks because stats.

You are losing me tbh...

on your first post you said Spurs would bring him for Beli role and said I'm not against the signing but he's not a rotation player... nobody ever said nowhere that Martin would play in the starting five or big minutes... what do you mean by rotation player ? a dude playing 10-15 mpg is a rotation player, isn't he ?

For 10/15 mpg Martin is clearly a rotation player and a solid one. You are saying he is not so I guess you consider a rotation player is a starting 5 dude ? call him a starter then. If your point is to say freaking Martin is not a starter caliber, then we all agree mate.

As I said Minny is overusing him and he is a bad 22 mpg, 9 FGAs and 23.5 % usage dude. Cut that by half and you get a solid rotation player vet wing giving you a bit of flex.

Sign him and give him West treatment, 17 mpg, 5 FGAs and < 20% usage rate and call it a day

[jiggy_55]

Well, midnight of 3/1 happened already. They might mean 11:59 p.m. today, but the next midnight is on 3/2. I'm not arguing that Martin or anyone can't still be eligible for the playoffs if they're waived today. I'm just saying ESPN should be more careful.


Same exact thing.

By "Midnight Tuesday" it is quite obvious they mean Tuesday night (11:59 pm). This is common sense. When you talk to somebody and tell them "hey let's meet at midnight on Monday", you definitely aren't telling them to meet Sunday 11:59pm, you're telling them to meet Monday 11:59pm. No need to be so "technical"

Here is a better reference for you guys:

"Players must be waived before 11 p.m. central Tuesday in order to remain eligible for another team’s playoff roster."

Source: http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/With-The-Professor-NBA-s-most-6862054.php?t=36c8bee898bc83a41f&cmpid=twitter-premium (http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/With-The-Professor-NBA-s-most-6862054.php?t=36c8bee898bc83a41f&cmpid=twitter-premium)

[Chinook]

You are losing me tbh...

on your first post you said Spurs would bring him for Beli role and said I'm not against the signing but he's not a rotation player...

There's not a conflict there. I said: " I imagine if the Spurs do want to sign Martin and give him minutes, they would give him the Beli touches. " So I projected the role that I felt PATFO would have in mind for him. Then I explained why I don't think that would work. Yes, 10-15 MPG is a rotation spot, and no, I don't think he'd be good in that. The Spurs should go three wings as the first priority in the playoffs with Mills, Anderson and Butler contributing some minutes depending on the situation.


As I said Minny is overusing him and he is a bad 22 mpg, 9 FGAs and 23.5 % usage dude. Cut that by half and you get a solid rotation player vet wing giving you a bit of flex.
And as I said, I don't believe it's that simple. Martin's problem isn't that he's playing too much. It's that he's not a great off-ball player (and the Wolves, being a better team, aren't letting him have the ball in the situations he likes). He's limited in where he can spot up from, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, it harder for him to draw fouls. The specifics of his game matter, and that's why it's not accurate to compare him to West, who's not being asked to do anything he didn't already do in Indy but only for him to do it in fewer minutes and with better teammates.

[Chinook]

By "Midnight Tuesday" it is quite obvious they mean Tuesday night (11:59 pm). This is common sense. When you talk to somebody and tell them "hey let's meet at midnight on Monday", you definitely aren't telling them to meet Sunday 11:59pm, you're telling them to meet Monday 11:59pm. No need to be so "technical"

Here is a better reference for you guys:

"Players must be waived before 11 p.m. central Tuesday in order to remain eligible for another team’s playoff roster."

Source: http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/With-The-Professor-NBA-s-most-6862054.php?t=36c8bee898bc83a41f&cmpid=twitter-premium (http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/With-The-Professor-NBA-s-most-6862054.php?t=36c8bee898bc83a41f&cmpid=twitter-premium)

That's all well and good, but there's not thing obvious about what midnight Tuesday means. I personally have to schedule for my job, and saying that DOES actually mean 12:00 a.m. this morning, not tomorrow. I understand the colloquial nature of the term, but a press company usually tries to be unambiguous if at all possible. That's why they still write out anterior cruciate ligament when 99 percent of the people either know what ACL means or don't care anyway.

[coachmac87]

There's not a conflict there. I said: " I imagine if the Spurs do want to sign Martin and give him minutes, they would give him the Beli touches. " So I projected the role that I felt PATFO would have in mind for him. Then I explained why I don't think that would work. Yes, 10-15 MPG is a rotation spot, and no, I don't think he'd be good in that. The Spurs should go three wings as the first priority in the playoffs with Mills, Anderson and Butler contributing some minutes depending on the situation.


And as I said, I don't believe it's that simple. Martin's problem isn't that he's playing too much. It's that he's not a great off-ball player (and the Wolves, being a better team, aren't letting him have the ball in the situations he likes). He's limited in where he can spot up from, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, it harder for him to draw fouls. The specifics of his game matter, and that's why it's not accurate to compare him to West, who's not being asked to do anything he didn't already do in Indy but only for him to do it in fewer minutes and with better teammates.



On a serious note...If all you say is true. Put yourself in the Spurs shoes..why do they want to sign him if he's bought out?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

On a serious note...If all you say is true. Put yourself in the Spurs shoes..why do they want to sign him if he's bought out?

Either :
1. They're not interested.
2. They think he could help more than Bonner.
3. They're making a mistake, which is normal for all FOs. This same FO thought that spending a million dollars on Jimmer for 2 cameos in pre-season was a good idea.

[jiggy_55]

That's all well and good, but there's not thing obvious about what midnight Tuesday means. I personally have to schedule for my job, and saying that DOES actually mean 12:00 a.m. this morning, not tomorrow. I understand the colloquial nature of the term, but a press company usually tries to be unambiguous if at all possible. That's why they still write out anterior cruciate ligament when 99 percent of the people either know what ACL means or don't care anyway.

Haha, I understand your point

[Mel_13]

On a serious note...If all you say is true. Put yourself in the Spurs shoes..why do they want to sign him if he's bought out?

The Buck Harvey article posted in the Manu injury thread gives the best answer to your question.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

This is literally a T-Mac signing. Insurance for Manu

[Chinook]

On a serious note...If all you say is true. Put yourself in the Spurs shoes..why do they want to sign him if he's bought out?

He's better than an injured Bonner. He could help rest guys during the regular season. Same thing with Miller.

[will_spurs]

3. They're making a mistake, which is normal for all FOs. This same FO thought that spending a million dollars on Jimmer for 2 cameos in pre-season was a good idea.

It's not a "mistake" (in the sense that it doesn't have any consequences except make the ownership $1m "poorer"), it's just a team in a "win now" mode trying to do whatever it can to get the right pieces to win a ring.

It's not like the FO is handing out crippling contracts out of desperation, hurting the team and franchise long term, going into luxury tax, etc. The Spurs are already a juggernaut, they only need to get marginally better, and to do so they are spending marginal assets (a 2nd round pick, a couple millions dollars).

[TheDoctor]

Are you a center because i love your post work!! :toast

http://www.edreams.es/blog/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/09/baile-anguila.gif

[Dex]

Either :
1. They're not interested.
2. They think he could help more than Bonner.
3. They're making a mistake, which is normal for all FOs. This same FO thought that spending a million dollars on Jimmer for 2 cameos in pre-season was a good idea.

I would be more useful than Bonner at this point.

I like Matty and all...but he appears to be done at this point. He's hardly played all season, his three-point shot (his defining skill) has waned, and he hurt his calf in the last game shooting a routine three-pointer. He wasn't even hit or anything.

His greatest contribution is his locker room presence, which he could still provide as an assistant if the Spurs were to waive him.

[TrainOfThought5]

This is literally a T-Mac signing. Insurance for Manu

Tmac was younger....and id kill for a pair of his Spurs shoes right now.

[Brazil]

Then you clearly didn't understand. I have never spoken out against him getting signed. I did speak out against the idea that he would or should be handed a rotation spot.


I explained why I don't think that would work. Yes, 10-15 MPG is a rotation spot, and no, I don't think he'd be good in that. The Spurs should go three wings as the first priority in the playoffs with Mills, Anderson and Butler contributing some minutes depending on the situation.



:rolleyes so you are ok with Spurs signing him but not to be a rotation player of 10/15 mpg ? so he should be signed for what ? coaching ? playing 5 mpg ?

after you continue with the claim he's not a great off ball player or better when not assisted based on what data ? he has better efficiency when he creates his own shot vs. catch and shoot ? I don't think so

[BatManu20]

That's not correct. It would be midnight on March 1, not midnight on Feb. 29.

"ESPN's Marc Stein reported the Spurs have made the strongest pitch among all the playoff contenders vying for Martin's services. But Martin would need to part ways with the Timberwolves by midnight ET Tuesday in order for the guard to be playoff-eligible for his next team. If the Spurs were able to sign Martin, they'd be forced to part ways with yet another player on the current roster."

Source: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14872416/san-antonio-spurs-sign-andre-miller-mix-kevin-martin)



Yea I was mistaken. My bad. But in my defense, Paul Garcia reported it incorrectly :lol

[BatManu20]

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[Kawhitstorm]

And as I said, I don't believe it's that simple. Martin's problem isn't that he's playing too much. It's that he's not a great off-ball player (and the Wolves, being a better team, aren't letting him have the ball in the situations he likes). He's limited in where he can spot up from, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, it harder for him to draw fouls. The specifics of his game matter, and that's why it's not accurate to compare him to West, who's not being asked to do anything he didn't already do in Indy but only for him to do it in fewer minutes and with better teammates.

K-Mart's 2012-13 season happened where he had his most efficient season playing OFF the ball on a contender AFTER the rip through foul was banned. His season went shyt when he wasn't getting open looks as the secondary scorer after Westbrook got injured.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Either :
1. They're not interested.
2. They think he could help more than Bonner.
3. They're making a mistake, which is normal for all FOs. This same FO thought that spending a million dollars on Jimmer for 2 cameos in pre-season was a good idea.

I think they may feel this is Tim's last year and they want to make any move that increases the Spurs' chances even if it is by a very small increment. I think both moves do that ever so slightly.

[ceperez]

704667278273552384

Well, at least its still moving forward.

[Chinook]

:rolleyes so you are ok with Spurs signing him but not to be a rotation player of 10/15 mpg ? so he should be signed for what ? coaching ? playing 5 mpg

Why is this shocking to you? Do you want Miller in the rotation? I imagine not, so why do I have to want Martin to get established playing time?


after you continue with the claim he's not a great off ball player or better when not assisted based on what data ? he has better efficiency when he creates his own shot vs. catch and shoot ? I don't think so

I keep ignoring it because that's not what I said. I said he was less effective off the ball, not that he wasn't an efficient shooter on assisted shots. Curry is a better shooter on spot-up attempts (47 percent versus 40 percent from three). But in no way is he more effective without the ball. Curry has his gravity, running PnRs and such, and Martin has his foul-drawing. Martin's release also allows him to be run off the line more often, which is why he has more attempts at one- or two-dribble long twos (182 than he does threes with defenders within four feet of him (162). And at 37 percent on those long-twos (for the last six seasons, not just this year), it's not a good choice.

To put that into perspective, dribble happy Green has 21 contested threes to 13 dribble pull-up long-twos (and he's 47 percent on the threes). Patty actually is like Martin in that he has more long-twos than contested threes for his career (98 to 75), but Patty release allows him to not HAVE very many situations where he has to make that decision.

For the team, Martin being so damned inefficient from the right side limits how they can spot him up. He pretty much has to park on the left wing, which is already where Green and Mills like and where everyone but maybe Kawhi like to post up. Hammer plays are less effective, because it takes longer for his shot to become unblockable. The slide to the corner has that same issue. I don't think it's worth changing that many things for him, and if you add in the defense and playoff choking, I don't see why he gets 10-15 MPG.

[Chinook]

K-Mart's 2012-13 season happened where he had his most efficient season playing OFF the ball on a contender AFTER the rip through foul was banned. His season went shyt when he wasn't getting open looks as the secondary scorer after Westbrook got injured.

He was the sixth man that year. It's not like he was playing the Green role. And of course he fell apart in the playoff series.

[BatManu20]

Sources say Martin sounded envious when he told him.

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[dabom]

Chinook gets the date wrong and proceeds to "wall of text" his way out. Doesn't say he was wrong. Typical shitty trending poster. :lol

[UZER]

Sources say Martin sounded envious when he told him.

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Kevin Martin reads ST

[lilbthebasedgod]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVPaUvNOQPw

[gambit1990]

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i'm confused... what news did kevin martin break to andre miller? that the spurs were going to sign him?

i'm not understanding how miller "had no idea the spurs deal occurred"... because we didn't trade for him, he signed with us...

[Chinook]

i'm confused... what news did kevin martin break to andre miller? that the spurs were going to sign him?

i'm not understanding how miller "had no idea the spurs deal occurred"... because we didn't trade for him, he signed with us...

Was he bought out or simply waived? Because that might be what they meant.

[lilbthebasedgod]

i'm confused... what news did kevin martin break to andre miller? that the spurs were going to sign him?

i'm not understanding how miller "had no idea the spurs deal occurred"... because we didn't trade for him, he signed with us...
Yep. This doesn't add up at all.

[gambit1990]

Was he bought out or simply waived? Because that might be what they meant.
bought out.

[Brazil]

Why is this shocking to you? Do you want Miller in the rotation? I imagine not, so why do I have to want Martin to get established playing time?

Bottom line you are not in favor of Spurs signing him... you don't sign a vet like him to play garbage time 2/3 mpg on a D leaguer contract. In that case you hire a D Leaguer. So you are in favor of something that has 0 chance to happen. You could have said so in a more direct way. According to you Martin is not worth more than a 4th round draft pick in his first year or more than a 30 y/o dude from Austins Toros :lol so let's agree to disagree


I keep ignoring it because that's not what I said. I said he was less effective off the ball, not that he wasn't an efficient shooter on assisted shots. Curry is a better shooter on spot-up attempts (47 percent versus 40 percent from three). But in no way is he more effective without the ball. Curry has his gravity, running PnRs and such, and Martin has his foul-drawing. Martin's release also allows him to be run off the line more often, which is why he has more attempts at one- or two-dribble long twos (182 than he does threes with defenders within four feet of him (162). And at 37 percent on those long-twos (for the last six seasons, not just this year), it's not a good choice.

To put that into perspective, dribble happy Green has 21 contested threes to 13 dribble pull-up long-twos (and he's 47 percent on the threes). Patty actually is like Martin in that he has more long-twos than contested threes for his career (98 to 75), but Patty release allows him to not HAVE very many situations where he has to make that decision.

For the team, Martin being so damned inefficient from the right side limits how they can spot him up. He pretty much has to park on the left wing, which is already where Green and Mills like and where everyone but maybe Kawhi like to post up. Hammer plays are less effective, because it takes longer for his shot to become unblockable. The slide to the corner has that same issue. I don't think it's worth changing that many things for him, and if you add in the defense and playoff choking, I don't see why he gets 10-15 MPG.

ok so now Martin is not an efficient shooter on assisted shots but still a more or at least as efficient (FG% wise) when assisted than not assisted. So he would have a better efficiency %wise off the bench the way the Spurs would use him on a low usage rate for about 10/15 mpg... see ? it was not that hard.

Even with that you think he would not contribute so if Spurs hire him you would be ok only if it would be for 5 mpg which won't happen and don't make sense.

[coachmac87]

Chinook is the worst...

[Seventyniner]

http://media.fyre.co/vbxNjraOTv22CYkQx6VX_This%20team%20is%20so%20dumb. gif

Who said analytics is overrated?

[coachmac87]

Seriously people are making this more complicated then it really is

Why did we sign Andre Miller?? And Cut Ray??

Why are we interests in Martin?? "Rasual Butler is the better player"

It's simple.

Miller handles the ball better than anything Ray could bring to the table...

Martin can score better than anything Butler or Bonner brings to the table..

Bottom line Spurs become more versatile and add quality depth for peanuts.

What's the problem?

[NameLess Scrub]

Chinook killing the soul of all the excitement anyone had over K-Mart :lol

[Chinook]

Bottom line you are not in favor of Spurs signing him... you don't sign a vet like him to play garbage time 2/3 mpg on a D leaguer contract.

Dude, why is this so hard for you to understand? Do you really think Andre Miller is going to get a rotation spot? Do you think Varejao's getting playoff minutes over Ezeli? Buyout guys often come in and end up on the deep bench. For a team that's 50-9 that also has two fourth-wing candidates who in the very least deserve to get the first crack over him, it doesn't make sense to promise him minutes.


ok so now Martin is not an efficient shooter on assisted shots but still a more or at least as efficient (FG% wise) when assisted than not assisted.

I never said that. You know I never said that. In fact, the opposite is the case, as it is with every player who's not Parker (literally, for some reason on jump shots he shoots better when he dribbles more than 10 times than when he catches and shoots). Same thing with open shots. Hence why I made the point that it's not about him being able to knock down a situationless three. It's about his skills fitting in the context of a Spurs' system. It's not about usage.


Even with that you think he would not contribute so if Spurs hire him you would be ok only if it would be for 5 mpg which won't happen and don't make sense.

I want him to play about as much as Miller will. That's not going to be consistent minutes every game. It will probably be quite a few DNPs. It would be injury and rest filler and in uniform but not part of the rotation in the playoffs. Why you make it seem like ring-chasers don't accept this type of roll all the time is beyond me. I assume you're trolling at this point, because you're asking questions that are literally in the posts you're quoting.

[TheGreatYacht]

Chinook, Martin can do what you wanted to do with Danny on offense. Danny dribbling is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen in basketball, right next to his floaters.

He is a terrible defender but so is Kyle.

Can't believe people wouldn't take Kevin Martin for the minimum over cutting a useless POS like Bonner :lol

[coachmac87]

Chinook, Martin can do what you wanted to do with Danny on offense. Danny dribbling is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen in basketball, right next to his floaters.

He is a terrible defender but so is Kyle.

Can't believe people wouldn't take Kevin Martin for the minimum over cutting a useless POS like Bonner :lol


Chinook: "Danny Green is a HOFer compared to Kevin Martin"

[Chinook]

Chinook, Martin can do what you wanted to do with Danny on offense. Danny dribbling is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen in basketball, right next to his floaters.

He is a terrible defender but so is Kyle.

Can't believe people wouldn't take Kevin Martin for the minimum over cutting a useless POS like Bonner :lol

Okay, so most of this is untrue (that I wanted Green to dribble, that Kyle is a bad defender), but the last sentence is the worst. I'm pretty sure with the exception of like two posters who think Martin sucks no matter what, we are all in favor of Martin over Bonner. Some people are arguing that he should get the fourth-wing spot, and I disagree with that.

[Chinook]

Chinook: "Danny Green is a HOFer compared to Kevin Martin"

Look at their contracts.

[TheGreatYacht]

Okay, so most of this is untrue (that I wanted Green to dribble, that Kyle is a bad defender), but the last sentence is the worst. I'm pretty sure with the exception of like two posters who think Martin sucks no matter what, we are all in favor of Martin over Bonner. Some people are arguing that he should get the fourth-wing spot, and I disagree with that.
Will Danny Green make Curry work on defense?

[coachmac87]

Look at their contracts.

Fairly close. But I must say neither are a minimum player like Rasual Butler.

Next.

[Hoops Czar]

Okay, so most of this is untrue (that I wanted Green to dribble, that Kyle is a bad defender), but the last sentence is the worst. I'm pretty sure with the exception of like two posters who think Martin sucks no matter what, we are all in favor of Martin over Bonner. Some people are arguing that he should get the fourth-wing spot, and I disagree with that.

At the least, he should get all of Simmons's minutes.

[Chinook]

Will Danny Green make Curry work on defense?

Depends on what the Spurs decide to do with him.

[coachmac87]

At the least, he should get all of Simmons's minutes.

Chinook thinks Martin shouldn't get minutes over Rasual Butler...

[Chinook]

At the least, he should get all of Simmons's minutes.

Simmons doesn't have minutes to give. He's fifth out of five healthy wings.

[Chinook]

Fairly close. But I must say neither are a minimum player like Rasual Butler.

Next.

If Martin gets bought you, you can get he's signing for the minimum on his next contract.

[TheGreatYacht]

At the least, he should get all of Simmons's minutes.
Agreed. He's fallen off a cliff. Pains me to say that fat head has outplayed him recently.

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This is funny though

[Mel_13]

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[coachmac87]

If Martin gets bought you, you can get he's signing for the minimum on his next contract.


Now you're just reaching...and if he's bought out 1 of 2 things will happen.

1. He gets Butlers minutes
2. Butler gets cut


Bottom line. You don't even believe the shit you say..

[SpurPadre]

Agreed. He's fallen off a cliff. Pains me to say that fat head has outplayed him recently.

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This is funny though

This can't be true about Simmons and Curry.

[Chinook]

Now you're just reaching...and if he's bought out 1 of 2 things will happen.

1. He gets Butlers minutes
2. Butler gets cut


Bottom line. You don't even believe the shit you say..

I entirely believe that Martin's next contract will be a minimum deal if he gets bought out. If you don't believe it, then you don't think the Spurs will sign him. And again, whether he gets Butler's minutes is irrelevant to any discussion we have had previously.

[spurtech09]

704758970343419904eh not to be rude but just a waste of time.....

[coachmac87]

I entirely believe that Martin's next contract will be a minimum deal if he gets bought out. If you don't believe it, then you don't think the Spurs will sign him. And again, whether he gets Butler's minutes is irrelevant to any discussion we have had previously.

Let's not get cute here. You know damn well after this season is over and Martin officially becomes a FA he will get more than a 1yr/Vet Min. You're smart enough to at least admit that.

And yes Martin getting minutes over Butler has everything to do what we've discussed earlier because our main argument news you trying to sell me on Butler being the better player.

Why would the Spurs give Martin his minutes if he wasn't a better player then Butler?

[Chinook]

This can't be true about Simmons and Curry.

As critical as I have been of Simmons recently, I actually don't mind this at all. As I have mentioned before, I saw the Clippers and Spurs play courtside in SA back in 2013. It was garbage time, as LAC took a double-digit league with like a minute left. The Spurs had their scrubs vs LAC's starters. Paul was dribbling up the court with Cory guarding him. Joseph kept yelling at him and daring him to score, which Paul did (or got fouled).

I really appreciated the competitiveness Joseph showed that game. He didn't back down even with his team on the way to a loss. He showed that fight again about 15 months later in the WCF against OKC. That's one of the main reason I was in the CoJ as much as I was, and still am. I can only hope that if there comes a time where Simmons has a change to step up an inject some passion and determination into his teammates that he steps up like Cory did.

[Chinook]

Let's not get cute here. You know damn well after this season is over and Martin officially becomes a FA he will get more than a 1yr/Vet Min. You're smart enough to at least admit that.

He'd be officially an FA once he cleared waivers. At that point, he'll be a min guy while Green would have a contract about 120 time bigger. And hey, it will have happened in the same season.


And yes Martin getting minutes over Butler has everything to do what we've discussed earlier because our main argument news you trying to sell me on Butler being the better player.

It has nothing to do with it. Guys get minutes they shouldn't all the time.


Why would the Spurs give Martin his minutes if he wasn't a better player then Butler?

The most extreme example would be because they believe Martin is better than Butler.

[timtonymanu]

I'm sure Martin wanted to be here but it didn't work out. Regardless, Fathead has looked better lately. Don't get the hate by so many on here.

[spurtech09]

Corey Joseph is one of my fav. players.....as well as George Hill.....Imagine if both were on the Spurs roster right now....:).....Stacked!!!!

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm sure Martin wanted to be here but it didn't work out. Regardless, Fathead has looked better lately. Don't get the hate by so many on here.
Think he has till 11pm Central time. We'll see

[coachmac87]

As critical as I have been of Simmons recently, I actually don't mind this at all. As I have mentioned before, I saw the Clippers and Spurs play courtside in SA back in 2013. It was garbage time, as LAC took a double-digit league with like a minute left. The Spurs had their scrubs vs LAC's starters. Paul was dribbling up the court with Cory guarding him. Joseph kept yelling at him and daring him to score, which Paul did (or got fouled).

I really appreciated the competitiveness Joseph showed that game. He didn't back down even with his team on the way to a loss. He showed that fight again about 15 months later in the WCF against OKC. That's one of the main reason I was in the CoJ as much as I was, and still am. I can only hope that if there comes a time where Simmons has a change to step up an inject some passion and determination into his teammates that he steps up like Cory did.



Simmons has all of the tools to be a good on ball defender. And until recently I thought he could be exactly what Cory was able to do for us..which is guard the guys Patty just couldn't. It takes time and he will get his real chance soon. Probably as early as next year..but the margin of error is too small this year.

[Dre_7]

Corey Joseph is one of my fav. players.....as well as George Hill.....Imagine if both were on the Spurs roster right now....:).....Stacked!!!!

But no Kawhi. Meaning no title in 2014.

[spurtech09]

Think he has till 11pm Central time. We'll see
So you still think there is still a chance Martin will get bought out?

[spurtech09]

But no Kawhi. Meaning no title in 2014.all 3 on the roster.....stacked.....wishful thinking...:)

[SpurPadre]

As critical as I have been of Simmons recently, I actually don't mind this at all. As I have mentioned before, I saw the Clippers and Spurs play courtside in SA back in 2013. It was garbage time, as LAC took a double-digit league with like a minute left. The Spurs had their scrubs vs LAC's starters. Paul was dribbling up the court with Cory guarding him. Joseph kept yelling at him and daring him to score, which Paul did (or got fouled).

I really appreciated the competitiveness Joseph showed that game. He didn't back down even with his team on the way to a loss. He showed that fight again about 15 months later in the WCF against OKC. That's one of the main reason I was in the CoJ as much as I was, and still am. I can only hope that if there comes a time where Simmons has a change to step up an inject some passion and determination into his teammates that he steps up like Cory did.

The thing is, Pop doesn't like this sort of behavior from his players, which is why I don't believe this actually transpired. And if it did, he would've been benched with no playing time for the next few games after, which didn't really happen to him.

[Chinook]

The thing is, Pop doesn't like this sort of behavior from his players, which is why I don't believe this actually transpired. And if it did, he would've been benched with no playing time for the next few games after, which didn't really happen to him.

Eh, Pop's not as controlling as you seem to think, I believe. He's all about allowing guys to be who they have to be to be their best. If Simmons is motivated by trashtalking (especially light-hearted like this is), I doubt he cares. In fact, Pop put Simmons on Curry to see how it would go. I imagine Pop's the one who psyched Jonathon up enough to say that in the first place.

[Brazil]

Dude, why is this so hard for you to understand? Do you really think Andre Miller is going to get a rotation spot? Do you think Varejao's getting playoff minutes over Ezeli? Buyout guys often come in and end up on the deep bench. For a team that's 50-9 that also has two fourth-wing candidates who in the very least deserve to get the first crack over him, it doesn't make sense to promise him minutes.

The fact your posts are increasingly aggressive don't make them more convincing. To get at "you are in favor to sign a today 21 mpg, 9 FGAs, 11 ppg and 25% usage to basically be Matt Bonner" has been hard.

Then your comparaisons are mind blowing... Andre Miller is 39 y/o and is playing today 10 mpg for 2 FGAs per game, at 33 like K Mart he was at 30 mpg, Varejao is a more decent one but largely flawed. He is playing 10 mpg, he is also 33 but definitely finished... over last 6 years he logged only twice more than 30 games a season... I hope you are not comparing Varejao today with Martin right ?



I never said that. You know I never said that. In fact, the opposite is the case, as it is with every player who's not Parker (literally, for some reason on jump shots he shoots better when he dribbles more than 10 times than when he catches and shoots). Same thing with open shots. Hence why I made the point that it's not about him being able to knock down a situationless three. It's about his skills fitting in the context of a Spurs' system. It's not about usage.

Of course you said it, when we were speaking about shooting efficiency you mentionned dude is better with the ball in his hands, you said making him a spot up shooter won't make him a more efficient player. If he accepts a vet role 10/15 mpg his skills are fine in Spur's system, he does not turn over the ball, handles the ball, don't fool on defense and shoot the 3s... ya that's 3/4 things he can do and 3/4 things Spurs would ask him to do. I read your point about right and left, it's a valid point but you don't have to change spurs philosophy to adjust to that with second unit.




I want him to play about as much as Miller will. .

And I told you like three times that according to me it won't happen so it is a moot point.
You are the one who is not reading tbh

But I maybe wrong, find me a 33 y/o wing 25% usage rate, 20 mpg, 9 FGAs, 11 ppg bought out or waived who played a 2016 Miller role at 10 mpg, 2 FGAs and we will discuss... [don't play the I put so many conditions that it is impossible... if you find a 34 y/o 22 mpg, 10 FGAs... it will be ok]

13/14 Miller ? he went from 26 mpg with Denver to 17 in Toronto, cut his FGAs by 2... Applied to KMart younger of 4 years it would give 14 mpg, 4/5 FGAs, 15% usage rate... exactly what I am seeing for him as a Spurs.

[SpurPadre]

Eh, Pop's not as controlling as you seem to think, I believe. He's all about allowing guys to be who they have to be to be their best. If Simmons is motivated by trashtalking (especially light-hearted like this is), I doubt he cares. In fact, Pop put Simmons on Curry to see how it would go. I imagine Pop's the one who psyched Jonathon up enough to say that in the first place.

But he also preaches about having and wanting players that "are over themselves". This doesn't fit with that M.O. But hey, I'm sure if he did say those things, it was clearly with a wink and a smile and not of the Draymond Green "I'm an ass and I'm going to let you know I'm an ass" variety trashtalk.

[TD 21]

Ill always choose to develop young talent over bringing in postprime vets but i have to say i love west, and if Kmart can bring positive impact like that to our wing situation im all for it. Hows his defense though?

As I said, they can do both. Anderson/Simmons have gotten their feet wet and can continue to. This is about potentially filling the biggest hole on a team trying to win a championship.

His defense is terrible, but for this role, it doesn't matter much.



I'm pretty sure only one person didn't want Martin out of hand. Maybe a couple more, but there wasn't any analysis there. Now, do some people not believe he's good enough for a rotation spot? Obviously. And I believe it's perfectly healthy to believe that random mostly done folks aren't better than the rotation players on a 50-9 team. But I guess that's silly.

Maybe he is good enough to be in the rotation, maybe not; but I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand because of the fact that he's in his 30's, used to be a prominent name and is having a down season, in a much different situation.

:lol Yeah, because Anderson/Simmons have been so vital to them going 50-9. There's no possible way they could have this record had Martin or some other random wing filled this spot.

[Kawhitstorm]

He was the sixth man that year. It's not like he was playing the Green role. And of course he fell apart in the playoff series.

He was the 6th man but his shots were assisted more than Patty. His shooting profile is similar to Neal except he mixes it up w/ drives/cuts ala Marco.

[coachmac87]

Chinook has given us his scouting report on Kevin Martin...

I wanna see his scouting report on Rasual Butler :lmao

[ceperez]

]Michael C. Wright ESPN Staff Writer http://a.espncdn.com/i/columnists/wright_michael_m.jpg
Matt Bonner (left calf) is probable for Wednesday's game against the Pistons and Manu Ginobili (testicular surgery) has been ruled out. Ginobili is recovering nicely though and could be back in the lineup as soon as Saturday.



if Bonner is going to play... then I guess there's no deal for Martin.

[Robz4000]

Martin gonna stay with the T-Pups. He'd of been bought out by now if he weren't.

[Budkin]

Maybe the Warriors will grab him tbh

[spurtech09]

Martin gonna stay with the T-Pups. He'd of been bought out by now if he weren't.Yes sir

[Kawhitstorm]

]Michael C. Wright ESPN Staff Writer


Matt Bonner (left calf) is probable for Wednesday's game against the Pistons and Manu Ginobili (testicular surgery) has been ruled out. Ginobili is recovering nicely though and could be back in the lineup as soon as Saturday.

if Bonner is going to play... then I guess there's no deal for Martin.

Doesn't matter what happens to Bonner, as far as whether he practices/suits up, b/c they aren't trying to trade him. If the gets waived then he's most likely going to stay on the team as a staff member to retain his "corporate knowledge" especially with the brain drain.

[spurtech09]

Well I know Martin has till tonight to be bought out but at this point I don't think he is going to be bought out.....Time to move on....

[Kawhitstorm]

Well I know Martin has till tonight to be bought out but at this point I don't think he is going to be bought out.....Time to move on....

Fuck Glen Taylor, dude is a poor man's version of Sarver. :rolleyes

[Budkin]

Actually sounds like the Heat are going after him if he's bought out in time...

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[Hoops Czar]

Doesn't matter what happens to Bonner, as far as whether he practices/suits up, b/c they aren't trying to trade him. If the gets waived then he's most likely going to stay on the team as a staff member to retain his "corporate knowledge" especially with the brain drain.

OR Bonner was never going to get waived in the first place.

[raybies]

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Something on the subject...

[Kawhitstorm]

Actually sounds like the Heat are going after him if he's bought out in time...



Talk about counting your eggs before they hatch.:downspin:

[TheGreatYacht]

So you still think there is still a chance Martin will get bought out?
Nobody knows. Minnesota is a tough place to get inside info from... Some Minnesotans don't even know there's a basketball team. Andre Miller didn't find out he was bought out and signed to the Spurs until Kevin Martin broke the news to him saying "Congrats"

[Darius Bieber]

Nobody knows. Minnesota is a tough place to get inside info from... Some Minnesotans don't even know there's a basketball team. Andre Miller didn't find out he was bought out and signed to the Spurs until Kevin Martin broke the news to him saying "Congrats"

Pretty weird how someone doesn't know they signed with a team..

[tholdren]

Okay, so most of this is untrue (that I wanted Green to dribble, that Kyle is a bad defender), but the last sentence is the worst. I'm pretty sure with the exception of like two posters who think Martin sucks no matter what, we are all in favor of Martin over Bonner. Some people are arguing that he should get the fourth-wing spot, and I disagree with that.
Who should get 4th wing spot?

[raybies]

Imo a deal gets done today. Martin has the leverage. He has a player option. If I were the wolves I wouldn't want to pay that, so they'll realize that any savings is better than nothing. They are just feeling each other out. And if I'm Martin, you hold out and I think the wolves know that. It's up to them if they want to pay the full salary next year and not play him. At his salary, he has no trade value and would be a buyout candidate next year which would be the same as buying him out this year anyway. Unless for some reason they really don't want him coming to the Spurs I think a deal gets done.

[Chinook]

The fact your posts are increasingly aggressive don't make them more convincing.

The reason why they're aggressive is because you're not a poster whose opinion I just write off like dabom or coach. That you seem unable/unwilling to see the gestalt of my view is sort of distressing, as it's not that hard.


To get at "you are in favor to sign a today 21 mpg, 9 FGAs, 11 ppg and 25% usage to basically be Matt Bonner" has been hard.

That shouldn't be hard to get at all. I want the best 15th man the team can acquire.


Of course you said it, when we were speaking about shooting efficiency you mentionned dude is better with the ball in his hands, you said making him a spot up shooter won't make him a more efficient player.

No, I didn't I said this:


Martin is a surprisingly limited spot-up shooter. Him playing on the Spurs isn't going to make him a better one, just like it didn't for Jimmer. Like Jimmer, Martin is a guy who shoots better when he's not being assisted, because he's better at making space for himself than he is at using the space an offense gives him.

I understand that you may have assumed that by "better" I meant more efficient. But as I said many times since them, Martin's problems aren't about numbers. I can understand you not agreeing with my claims on Martin's limitations and why they make him a poor spot-up guy. But you seem to not even know they're there, and so you keep repeating points as if I haven't addressed them.

So to restate: Martin isn't a good fit as a spot-up guy for three reasons. First, he's a guy who scores off the dribble and relies on getting free throws, so him spotting up isn't using him to his strengths. Second, due to his shooting motion, there are parts of the court where Martin can't shoot well from. That limits the places he can be in sets, which limits his usefulness. Third, Martin's release means he gets run off the line more often than the average shooter. Unlike guys like Beli and Mills, Martin shoots horrible percentage on step-in twos. So it's pretty easy to negate his impact.

Martin being the guy you want isn't going to be a good fit for the Spurs, in my opinion. I don't think Pop would or at least should put him in that role, as I have already stated. I think he would just be a change-of-pace, instant-offense guy who can give the bench a consistent scorer when they have guys out. This is a fine role for him to play, but it's not an every-game role in this current rotation. So I don't want him to get a rotation spot over guys that bring more to the table and in other areas. It's not irrational to think Kawhi gets 36 playoff minutes, Green 30, Manu 24 and Mills six in addition to PG minutes. If you need some small-ball, Anderson and Butler are both there and have shown they are fine in that role.


I read your point about right and left, it's a valid point but you don't have to change spurs philosophy to adjust to that with second unit.

It's actually a really big deal. It's not just right or left. It's also a lack of corner attempts. It's that he would pass up shots that a guy like Mills would take and drive, which brings that awful 2pt% right back into the conversation.


And I told you like three times that according to me it won't happen so it is a moot point.

But that doesn't actually make it a moot point. If Martin is just ring-chasing, you don't know what he'd be willing to accept. You brought up West repeatedly, and he's a huge example to players giving up more than what seems reasonable to get to a better situation. Look at Lawson, giving up probably $15 Million in one year probably to end up on a fringe team or stuck on a bench somewhere.

[Chinook]

He was the 6th man but his shots were assisted more than Patty. His shooting profile is similar to Neal except he mixes it up w/ drives/cuts ala Marco.

Patty totally cuts like Marco. I've seen Martin do it, too, but it's like the hemi-neglect version of the others.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Martin gonna stay with the T-Pups. He'd of been bought out by now if he weren't.

Of course, no one ever goes right down to the wire to get something done.

[Dex]

:lmao at this thread when Martin gets cut at like 10:30pm tonight, then signs with the Cavs or some other faux-ntender tomorrow (after this shit breaks 50 pages of course)

[Robz4000]

Of course, no one ever goes right down to the wire to get something done.

In buyouts? Not generally. Minny prolly doesn't wanna give him anything for his player option and Miller is refusing their terms.

[raybies]

In buyouts? Not generally. Minny prolly doesn't wanna give him anything for his player option and Miller is refusing their terms.

I wonder if there'll be any surprise buyouts tonight.

[SAGirl]

Chinook, Martin can do what you wanted to do with Danny on offense. Danny dribbling is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen in basketball, right next to his floaters.

He is a terrible defender but so is Kyle.

Can't believe people wouldn't take Kevin Martin for the minimum over cutting a useless POS like Bonner :lol
Bonner won't be cut at this point .... He's been saying he even wants to play more years. At this rate he retires when Pop and Tony do, probably in 2020... not even trolling with that.
Easy to say that, but, Bonner told me months ago he still wants to play a few more years. He wasn't joking #Spurs (https://mobile.twitter.com/search/?q=%23Spurs&s=hash) twitter.com/austin_cheney0… (https://t.co/fVXiTPiZwk)https://mobile.twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/70472750367221760011:58am - 1 Mar 16 (https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/704727503672217600)

The man to be cut would be one of Butler or Simmons. Lately Butler has shown to be more reliable, Pop getting him into the game earlier than Simmons, bc the time for development is not right now.
But Simmons is young still and will be cheap next season and he's earned a chance to see if he may improve on his mistakes with a second season. I would not cut either for Kmart, but one if them would have to go, which puts Pop in a bind. Butler has played a kind of stretch 4 role that is not suitable for Martin. The man you would have to cut is Simmons because those are the minute s available. I am not sure the Spurs would even do that.


So there you have it, once Spurs signed Miller we may just forget about this guy.

Won't even address the Anderson point as you are an obvious troll in his regard and its a waste of time.

[benfti]

What time is it there?

[Hoops Czar]

In buyouts? Not generally. Minny prolly doesn't wanna give him anything for his player option and Miller is refusing their terms.

Either way, Minnesota loses. He'll definitely opt in to his contract next year even if that means sitting on the bench for the entire season. At least this way, Minnesota can buy him out at a discount even if it's slight.

[SAGirl]

As critical as I have been of Simmons recently, I actually don't mind this at all. As I have mentioned before, I saw the Clippers and Spurs play courtside in SA back in 2013. It was garbage time, as LAC took a double-digit league with like a minute left. The Spurs had their scrubs vs LAC's starters. Paul was dribbling up the court with Cory guarding him. Joseph kept yelling at him and daring him to score, which Paul did (or got fouled).

I really appreciated the competitiveness Joseph showed that game. He didn't back down even with his team on the way to a loss. He showed that fight again about 15 months later in the WCF against OKC. That's one of the main reason I was in the CoJ as much as I was, and still am. I can only hope that if there comes a time where Simmons has a change to step up an inject some passion and determination into his teammates that he steps up like Cory did.
I read something about Kobe going at Kyle Anderson the entire last Lakers game with the trash talk. And he did get scored on but there were no easy shots. The highlight was Kobe daring him to beat him by himself. Kyle, a very good midrange shooter went through a cold shooting streak with no one guarding him...However, he was sensational to close out the game and made the right plays.

Simmons has been fearless, a trait Pop said he expressly loves about him. I also doubt he gets cut for anybody. Still has another season to improve.

And I don't see Butler getting cut either as he's been more of a stretch 4, a role Kmart cannot fill.

[TrainOfThought5]

Nobody knows. Minnesota is a tough place to get inside info from... Some Minnesotans don't even know there's a basketball team. Andre Miller didn't find out he was bought out and signed to the Spurs until Kevin Martin broke the news to him saying "Congrats"

Not sure if serious

[Spurs9]

:lmao at this thread when Martin gets cut at like 10:30pm tonight, then signs with the Cavs or some other faux-ntender tomorrow (after this shit breaks 50 pages of course)
And yet it will still keep going on even months after.

[TheGreatYacht]

Won't even address the Anderson point as you are an obvious troll in his regard and its a waste of time.
I'm not trolling when I say Kyle is a bad defender with poor bball IQ :lol Just because he makes an extra pass doesn't mean he has has high Bball IQ, that just means he can't shoot the open shot. His post up game is highly overrated here too. You don't bail out Chris Paul with a fadeaway brick.

He's been getting better, but he's not close to being a piece on a team with championship aspirations.

[TheGreatYacht]

Not sure if serious
Same thing I say when reading your takes

[rjv]

And yet it will still keep going on even months after.


yes, this is a pretty good summation of what ST has become.

[will_spurs]

I wonder if there'll be any surprise buyouts tonight.

Ty Lawson. Yet another PG.

[SAGirl]

I'm not trolling when I say Kyle is a bad defender with poor bball IQ :lol Just because he makes an extra pass doesn't mean he has has high Bball IQ, that just means he can't shoot the open shot. His post up game is highly overrated here too. You don't bail out Chris Paul with a fadeaway brick.

He's been getting better, but he's not close to being a piece on a team with championship aspirations.
Again waste of time to argue with you about that. I could go on with a signature essay and won't make a lick of difference so pretend I did write it and move on, of everything I posted this is the one mention you latch on.
Carry on.

[dabom]

Nobody knows. Minnesota is a tough place to get inside info from... Some Minnesotans don't even know there's a basketball team. Andre Miller didn't find out he was bought out and signed to the Spurs until Kevin Martin broke the news to him saying "Congrats"

It's kinda a dumpster fire tbh...

[dabom]

The reason why they're aggressive is because you're not a poster whose opinion I just write off like dabom or coach. That you seem unable/unwilling to see the gestalt of my view is sort of distressing, as it's not that hard.

I don't need you to reply to me to break your case. :lol

The fact that no poster including many bolds agree with you is telling. The writing is on the walls. SAGirl is a ride or die fan though... :lmao

[Spurs9]

Whos gonna be the KG for Miller in SA, is he going to miss this? :lol
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCZeMfLEKss/

[Kawhitstorm]

Whos gonna be the KG for Miller in SA, is he going to miss this? :lol
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCZeMfLEKss/

Simmons aka the guy who talked trash to Curry:wakeup

[tonight...you]

Nobody knows. Minnesota is a tough place to get inside info from... Some Minnesotans don't even know there's a basketball team. Andre Miller didn't find out he was bought out and signed to the Spurs until Kevin Martin broke the news to him saying "Congrats"
I believe there's a healthy population of off-the-grid Unibombers out there.
Living in their log cabins... no TV since '92... wood stoves... haven't seen a woman (unless they actually got one ((you don't want to see her)) and he's been stuck with nothing, but her since effing '92!)...

I can totally believe there are quite a few folks in that state that have no clue that a black man is their President, much less that they have a basketball team.
I would even doubt that they could explain what "basketball" is.
Or dentistry, for that matter...


But their accents are adorable.


Edit: Shit- they elected Jesse Ventura into their highest office! Have you seen Abraxus?!

[raybies]

The wait sucks.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's kinda a dumpster fire tbh...

I believe there's a healthy population of off-the-grid Unibombers out there.
Living in their log cabins... no TV since '92... wood stoves... haven't seen a woman (unless they actually got one ((you don't want to see her)) and he's been stuck with nothing, but her since effing '92!)...

I can totally believe there are quite a few folks in that state that have no clue that a black man is their President, much less that they have a basketball team.
I would even doubt that they could explain what "basketball" is.
Or dentistry, for that matter...


But their accents are adorable.


Edit: Shit- they elected Jesse Ventura into their highest office! Have you seen Abraxus?!

http://youtu.be/3svPkthjWcM

It's a parody but still funny

[spurtech09]

Tick Tock Tick Tock.......

[ceperez]

Pretty weird how someone doesn't know they signed with a team..

Yeah... if you think about it... it isn't like Wolves traded Miller away.

[dabom]

http://youtu.be/3svPkthjWcM

It's a parody but still funny

That's just weird... :lol

[td4mvp2k]

The wait sucks.im sure spurs are waitin for him to... lol

[tholdren]

Should trade martin for jimmer

[Ditty]

I just have a bad feeling that even if we acquire Martin we will end up cutting Butler instead of Bonner.

[coachmac87]

I just have a bad feeling that even if we acquire Martin we will end up cutting Butler instead of Bonner.

It would not be ideal...but something Spurs can live with

[SAGirl]

But he also preaches about having and wanting players that "are over themselves". This doesn't fit with that M.O. But hey, I'm sure if he did say those things, it was clearly with a wink and a smile and not of the Draymond Green "I'm an ass and I'm going to let you know I'm an ass" variety trashtalk.
What he means by being over themselves is, that if Simmons gets benched in favor of Anderson or vice versa, they have to be over themselves enough to realize that the other guy was a better option for a specific match up or situation. Sometimes it even means that the other guy is a flat out better player, or maybe while not being a better player, is a better fit. That was the case with Cojo and Patty a lot, and they figured out to cheer for each other, and be over their own struggle with whatever (shooting for Cojo, defense for Patty) and allow Pop to make decisions that were the best for the team, not for a particular guy. It doesn't mean that guys cannot be who they are, you know so long as they are not hitting someone out there.

Have you missed D.West being the fiery, competitive, but maybe a bit too aggressive that he has always been. It's almost like if you take that away from D.West you almost take some of his best attributes as a player.

I agree with Chinnook, those are two different things.

[Ditty]

What time is it there?

A little less than four hours now.

[cd98]

So like Spurs...the player rumored to want to be here doesn't get bought out.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Come ON TinMan don't be greedy be a true Spur take a lower buyout & come here and get a ring!!

[benefactor]

Boom...buyout done. He'll sign with the Spurs tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704743653890195457 (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1960778/terry-crews-white-chicks-o.gif)

[dabom]

Boom...buyout done. He'll sign with the Spurs tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704743653890195457 (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1960778/terry-crews-white-chicks-o.gif)

Heard it here first.

[GB20]

Boom...buyout done. He'll sign with the Spurs tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704743653890195457 (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1960778/terry-crews-white-chicks-o.gif)

Finally!!!

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Boom...buyout done. He'll sign with the Spurs tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704743653890195457 (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1960778/terry-crews-white-chicks-o.gif)

:flipoff:pctoss

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Heard it here first.


Finally!!!
Gulls gonna gullible... :lmao

[Robz4000]

Boom...buyout done. He'll sign with the Spurs tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704743653890195457 (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1960778/terry-crews-white-chicks-o.gif)

What did tspence have to say?

[benefactor]

Gulls gonna gullible... :lmao
They were playing along, you cock outlet.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

They were playing along, you cock outlet.

Maybe the first guy but not the second guy for sure... 100% sure the second guy didn't click the link

[dabom]

They were playing along, you cock outlet.

Should have blue fonted or extra periods. :lol

[Ditty]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!

click the link... it's a hoax.

[dabom]

Gulls gonna gullible... :lmao

:lmao

[NASpurs]

:lol

[gospursgojas]

Boom...buyout done. He'll sign with the Spurs tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704743653890195457 (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1960778/terry-crews-white-chicks-o.gif)

Looks happy to be a Spur, but he got daaaarrk.

[Chillen]

Doubt this is happening, Minny looks set to hang onto him.

[Ditty]

click the link... it's a hoax.

yeah I saw that abort be minutes ago

[Darius Bieber]

lmao

[Ditty]

@DWolfsonKSTP any updates on kevin Martin buyout
spursnumber1Fan just got one that it's not close. But the person added, "Anything is possible." 3+ hours to go.

[TXstbobcat]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2585768733/4gj9zkmulq2av22ku0fc_reasonably_small.png (https://mobile.twitter.com/poundingtherock)
Pounding the Rock– ‏@poundingtherock (https://mobile.twitter.com/poundingtherock)

Kevin Martin update: Nobody knows anything. In a holding pattern until 11pm.

[TheDoctor]

Looks happy to be a Spur, but he got daaaarrk.
TEXAS heat!

[Stand]

I've got a feeling he isn't walking away from that 7 mil next season. As we all know those Minny guys have got to feed their kids.

[TheDoctor]

#FreeKevinMartin

[spurraider21]

this is andrei kirilenko 2.0

[TheDoctor]

As we wait...

704838734819110912

[SAGirl]

As we wait...

704838734819110912
Thanks for sharing that, wow how the mighty have fallen. He has no spring on those legs.

[tholdren]

ITS NOT HAPPENING!!!!!!!!

[Darius Bieber]

Almost 25 pages on someone who isn't even being let go of his contract.

[spurtech09]

Time to move on.....Who else is being wavied?......

[spurtech09]

ITS NOT HAPPENING!!!!!!!!+1000

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say that Timberwolves and the Kevin Martin are on course to reach a buyout agreement before tonight's midnight deadline

[spurraider21]

it lives

[lilbthebasedgod]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say that Timberwolves and the Kevin Martin are on course to reach a buyout agreement before tonight's midnight deadline

That was incredibly fast

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)The Timberwolves and Kevin Martin have until midnight ET to reach terms on a buyout and sources say they are closing in after days of talks

[tholdren]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)The Timberwolves and Kevin Martin have until midnight ET to reach terms on a buyout and sources say they are closing in after days of talks



IT'S HAPPENING! !!!!!!

[spurtech09]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say that Timberwolves and the Kevin Martin are on course to reach a buyout agreement before tonight's midnight deadline
Still a chance :)

[look_at_g_shred]

Damn lol pushing it haha

[Emperor]

Haven't refreshed a page so much since the Aldridge decision.

[dabom]

Still a chance :)

never say never...

[benefactor]

See there...I spoke it into existence. You're welcome.

[ceperez]

Wolves: $0m
KMart: $7.3m
Wolves: $100k
KMart: $7.2m
Wolves: $200k
KMart: $7.1m

....

tick tock

[coachmac87]

Chinook is about to lose his shit

[tholdren]

Chinook is about to lose his shit
Chinook is ChumpDumper

[Boogie Munster]

This whole forum right now.

http://i.imgur.com/Sv8zuJ6.png

[monkeypunk]

He's Cavs bound, imo.

[Hoops Czar]

http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif

[Emperor]

https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/rM2.WE2r5oKE_Od29DMSZQ--/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wME EzMDA7aD00MDA7dz01MzM-/http://members.home.nl/arnaud/bloodsport3.jpg.cf.jpg

[Rev Hill]

Isn't Martin from Ohio?

[Ditty]

The Timberwolves and Kevin Martin have agreed to a buyout. Cavs and Spurs current favorites to sign him.

[NASpurs]

See there...I spoke it into existence. You're welcome.

:worthy:

[spurtech09]

Chinook is ChumpDumpergo figure....

[NASpurs]

Some major blue balls in this thread. :lol Doesn't help the Spurs haven't played since Saturday.

[dabom]

Some major blue balls in this thread. :lol Doesn't help the Spurs haven't played since Saturday.

Getting cold sweats too....

[Spurs9]

This whole forum right now.

http://i.imgur.com/Sv8zuJ6.png

:lol

[Robz4000]

After hearing that whole thing about Bonner wanting to play a few more years, I'm now hesitant about Martin potentially coming here. Don't want Butler waived.

[spurtech09]

The Timberwolves and Kevin Martin have agreed to a buyout. Cavs and Spurs current favorites to sign him.The cavs are in the mix:(..

[Kawhitstorm]

The cavs are in the mix:(..

Andre Miller, you only had ONE job.:bang

[Brazil]

The reason why they're aggressive is because you're not a poster whose opinion I just write off like dabom or coach. That you seem unable/unwilling to see the gestalt of my view is sort of distressing, as it's not that hard.



That shouldn't be hard to get at all. I want the best 15th man the team can acquire.



No, I didn't I said this:



I understand that you may have assumed that by "better" I meant more efficient. But as I said many times since them, Martin's problems aren't about numbers. I can understand you not agreeing with my claims on Martin's limitations and why they make him a poor spot-up guy. But you seem to not even know they're there, and so you keep repeating points as if I haven't addressed them.

So to restate: Martin isn't a good fit as a spot-up guy for three reasons. First, he's a guy who scores off the dribble and relies on getting free throws, so him spotting up isn't using him to his strengths. Second, due to his shooting motion, there are parts of the court where Martin can't shoot well from. That limits the places he can be in sets, which limits his usefulness. Third, Martin's release means he gets run off the line more often than the average shooter. Unlike guys like Beli and Mills, Martin shoots horrible percentage on step-in twos. So it's pretty easy to negate his impact.

Martin being the guy you want isn't going to be a good fit for the Spurs, in my opinion. I don't think Pop would or at least should put him in that role, as I have already stated. I think he would just be a change-of-pace, instant-offense guy who can give the bench a consistent scorer when they have guys out. This is a fine role for him to play, but it's not an every-game role in this current rotation. So I don't want him to get a rotation spot over guys that bring more to the table and in other areas. It's not irrational to think Kawhi gets 36 playoff minutes, Green 30, Manu 24 and Mills six in addition to PG minutes. If you need some small-ball, Anderson and Butler are both there and have shown they are fine in that role.



It's actually a really big deal. It's not just right or left. It's also a lack of corner attempts. It's that he would pass up shots that a guy like Mills would take and drive, which brings that awful 2pt% right back into the conversation.



But that doesn't actually make it a moot point. If Martin is just ring-chasing, you don't know what he'd be willing to accept. You brought up West repeatedly, and he's a huge example to players giving up more than what seems reasonable to get to a better situation. Look at Lawson, giving up probably $15 Million in one year probably to end up on a fringe team or stuck on a bench somewhere.

its all good chin

I wish we could have luxury to have Kmart as 15th in our roster but it is a pipe dream... You don't bring this kind of player for staying with the bench bringing towels during breaks. West is playing near 20 min so comparaison is right there, if you pick Kmart is for playing him a bit, he is not 39 y/o or Matty broken. As 15th guy it won't happen and it is not worth discussing if dude is capable or not to fit with Spurs. Now contrary to you for 15 mpg on a vet contract I pick him without thinking twice and in this role he would be just fine.

[timtonymanu]

Lol and then he signs with Cleveland. But at least it got interesting. :wakeup

[NASpurs]

http://i.imgur.com/OKepHAA.gif

[Arcadian]

After hearing that whole thing about Bonner wanting to play a few more years, I'm now hesitant about Martin potentially coming here. Don't want Butler waived.

Well fuck what Matt Bonner wants. Cut his ass regardless.

[SpursforSix]

After hearing that whole thing about Bonner wanting to play a few more years, I'm now hesitant about Martin potentially coming here. Don't want Butler waived.

This is bullshit. Who cares how long he wants to play. He just needs to go.

[Das Texan]

I imagine Manu close to ready it appears factored into this a bit also.

[spurtech09]

Lebron James and his illuminati

[SpursforSix]

Is it over? Haven't seen anything yet

[Darius Bieber]

30 minutes...

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say that the Timberwolves and Kevin Martin have reached terms on a buyout agreement and have submitted it for league approval

[NASpurs]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say that the Timberwolves and Kevin Martin have reached terms on a buyout agreement and have submitted it for league approval




Finally!

Now for him to go to the Cavs :lol

[timtonymanu]

http://i.imgur.com/OKepHAA.gif

[raybies]

704886727236669440

[Darius Bieber]

http://i.giphy.com/rl0FOxdz7CcxO.gif

[raybies]

http://i.giphy.com/rl0FOxdz7CcxO.gif