vs Thunder - 2016 Playoffs - Western Final Series Thread

[Kawhitstorm]

Spurs were so close and should have beat OKC. They match up with GS well too but not as good as OKC has.

OKC killed the Duds in transition & by attacking the opposing point-guard something that doesn't happen to be part of the Spurs repertoire.

[Darius McCrary]

He did not suck on offense. Even with playing top notch defense he was putting up more than respectable numbers and a hell of a lot more efficient than Westbrook was who was considered great.

When your team depends on you to score and you hang out on the perimeter, don't demand the ball, and force horrible shots in the clutch...you kinda suck shit.

[Darius McCrary]

I disagree, but SA lost to OKC so people will say this stuff without really thinking about it.

Have you seen them switch off on Curry so many times? Ibaka on Curry on the perimeter? Adams getting rebounds like a big kid at the YMCA?
An actual point guard that can score whenever he wants?

LOL....theres no comparison.

[DPG21920]

OKC killed the Duds in transition & by attacking the opposing point-guard something that doesn't happen to be part of the Spurs repertoire.

The Spurs have the best defensive wing tandem in the NBA. Look what they did to OKC's offense and what OKC's offense is doing to GS who's been a very good defensive team all year.

OKC switching on GS was something SA really did vs GS in the regular season and had success. Spurs had a good formula. It would have been different and I agree OKC is matching up well because their bigs have mobility SA's bigs don't have, but SA matches up well with both primarily because of Kawhi/Danny.

[Mugen]

:lol Spurs wouldn't have been able to do this against the Dubs tbh...

[Stalin]

You can see Kerr knows he's fucked...:lol

[Thread]

:lol Spurs wouldn't have been able to do this against the Dubs tbh...

...Yep, Mugs, you're too decrepit.

[lefty]

WTF, TNT just showed an Asian OKC fan

Must be a former GSW fan

[DPG21920]

Have you seen them switch off on Curry so many times? Ibaka on Curry on the perimeter? Adams getting rebounds like a big kid at the YMCA?
An actual point guard that can score whenever he wants?

LOL....theres no comparison.

See my other post. You can't see this because OKC is playing so well (way better than they really are, not a knock, just true.) and because SA lost. But many things OKC is doing are what SA did with success against GS in the regular season.

[Mugen]

The Spurs have the best defensive wing tandem in the NBA. Look what they did to OKC's offense and what OKC's offense is doing to GS who's been a very good defensive team all year.

OKC switching on GS was something SA really did vs GS in the regular season and had success. Spurs had a good formula. It would have been different and I agree OKC is matching up well because their bigs have mobility SA's bigs don't have, but SA matches up well with both primarily because of Kawhi/Danny.

The bigs are the difference maker tbh. Adams/Ibaka and even Durant can protect the rim without the huge mobility issue that Timmy would have....

KD/Russ are also great tough shot makers, Draymond can't really guard either...which is huge....

[DPG21920]

:lol Spurs wouldn't have been able to do this against the Dubs tbh...

No, they would not have been as potent offensively - no way. But I'm talking about defensively and matching up. Spurs may not have caught fire like this offensively, but they probably would be in every game, just like OKC.

[DPG21920]

When your team depends on you to score and you hang out on the perimeter, don't demand the ball, and force horrible shots in the clutch...you kinda suck shit.

This is just revisionist history. Did he have some short comings? Sure, in the 4th Q's he struggled. That doesn't erase the other 3 quarters of efficient solid scoring.

[Stalin]

Kerr is salty as fuck at the press conference, I can just taste his tears...mmm..:cry:cry

[ViceCity86]

Westbrook easily best player this series.His 3rd quarter in game one ignited that win,and he has anhilated Curry and the Warriors the last 2 games

[Stalin]

Metheads are just playing good old fashioned 90's Bully Ball using bigs to lay down the wood against Warriors faggot 3 points chucking style of :lol today's NBA.

[Darius McCrary]

See my other post. You can't see this because OKC is playing so well (way better than they really are, not a knock, just true.) and because SA lost. But many things OKC is doing are what SA did with success against GS in the regular season.

And you can't compare reg season with playoff ball on a 1-to-1 basis.
No way a team with parker/mills at pg defends and scores the way westgod is. That alone makes the matchups uncomparable. Duncan looked finished for months coming into the playoffs. Adams is straight gangsta. It's just not comparable.

[Darius McCrary]

This is just revisionist history. Did he have some short comings? Sure, in the 4th Q's he struggled. That doesn't erase the other 3 quarters of efficient solid scoring.

He finished 2nd in MVP voting, I think I'm allowed to raise the bar from 3 quarters to 4.

[Venti Quattro]

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[Big Dog]

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:lmao:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Spurs wouldn't have been able to do this against the Dubs tbh...

Spurs would have swept the Dubs, tbh.

[Stalin]

Donovan, what a great coach.

[Capt Bringdown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyA7SCJqr3E&feature=youtu.be

[AlexJones]

Warriors just have to win game 6 in OKC. They ain't losing another game at Oracle.

[Mugen]

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crofl

[RD2191]

WTF, TNT just showed an Asian OKC fan

Must be a former GSW fan
:lmao

[DPG21920]

And you can't compare reg season with playoff ball on a 1-to-1 basis.
No way a team with parker/mills at pg defends and scores the way westgod is. That alone makes the matchups uncomparable. Duncan looked finished for months coming into the playoffs. Adams is straight gangsta. It's just not comparable.

I didn't say offensively - I said defensively. I think there is a breakdown in our communication.

[LakerHater]

Crymond Green:
-43 in game 3
-20 in game 4


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[Kawhitstorm]

True.
Kawhi still sucked shit on offense and you can't do that as the top dog.

Dumbass, Klay was playing like ass & picking up fouls when he had to guard WestBrick in the 1st half. Even Reggie gave him a pleacop by stating "he has to guard Westbrook"::lol

In the 2nd half, they left Curry on an island while Klay was hiding on Roberson.:lmao

[99 Problems]

Lakers 1 game away from getting back 10 million wagon fans. :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Warriors just have to win game 6 in OKC. They ain't losing another game at Oracle.

Duds are going to get slayed in Gm 6 ala the 2011 Mavs.:toast

[Darius McCrary]

Crymond Green:
-43 in game 3
-20 in game 4


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LOL. Wow...poor Antonio....Wow...

[Kawhitstorm]

He finished 2nd in MVP voting, I think I'm allowed to raise the bar from 3 quarters to 4.

Dumbass, Durant was MIA in the 4th quarter of Gm 5 but nobody said shyt b/c WestBrick bailed him out w/ hero-shots. All idiots were talking about was Kawhi going 2-3 when Porker was trying up bricks & Softridge was playing hot potatoes.

The fuckin' MVP is getting skull fucked by the same dude Kawhi held to 37% shooting.:wakeup

[Darius McCrary]

Dumbass, Durant was MIA in the 4th quarter of Gm 5 but nobody said shyt b/c WestBrick bailed him out w/ hero-shots. All idiots were talking about was Kawhi going 2-3 when Porker was trying up bricks & Softridge was playing hot potatoes.

The fuckin' MVP is getting skull fucked by the same dude Kawhi held to 37% shooting.:wakeup

We needed 1 basket in game 5 crunch time, Kawhi passed the ball back out to Parker.
Happened again with less time to go and he couldn't even get openPERIOD.

[Kawhitstorm]

The Spurs have the best defensive wing tandem in the NBA. Look what they did to OKC's offense and what OKC's offense is doing to GS who's been a very good defensive team all year.

OKC switching on GS was something SA really did vs GS in the regular season and had success. Spurs had a good formula. It would have been different and I agree OKC is matching up well because their bigs have mobility SA's bigs don't have, but SA matches up well with both primarily because of Kawhi/Danny.

Last I checked the Spurs had MAJOR trouble scoring against the Duds & they were going to depend on Softridge going 1-on-1 against Gaymond w/ Bogut playing weakside defense while ignoring Tim just like OKC.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

We needed 1 basket in game 5 crunch time, Kawhi passed the ball back out to Parker.
Happened again with less time to go and he couldn't even get openPERIOD.

Dumbass, he couldn't get open b/c Westbrook literally left Porker to deny Kawhi a catch. All Porker had to do was hit a WIDE OPEN jumper & he bricked it.

If you want to blame anyone, blame Pop for not putting the ball in Kawhi's hands instead of letting his love child (Porker) run the show.

[Darius McCrary]

Dumbass, he couldn't get open b/c Westbrook literally left Porker to deny Kawhi a catch. All Porker had to do was hit a WIDE OPEN jumper & he bricked it.

He still passed the ball back to Parker with like 4 on the shot clock the first timePERIOD.

[Stalin]

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[Amuseddaysleeper]

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[AlexJones]

Had enough of the morons quoting that .961 winning pct all time with 3-1 series lead. Warriors winning odds are approximately 36% based on projected game lines for 5,6,7.

[Stalin]

Had enough of the morons quoting that .961 winning pct all time with 3-1 series lead. Warriors winning odds are approximately 36% based on projected game lines for 5,6,7.


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[Snaq O'Meal]

Spurs would have swept the Dubs, tbh.

With Pop as coach? No way!

[Clipper Nation]

With Pop as coach? No way!
:lol True. He does still give minutes to Porker, after all. Spurs in 5.

[AlexJones]

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Just be happy for James come june, k joe??

[Arcadian]

From not making the playoffs in '15 (when even the Pelicans did :lol) to potential champions in '16.

Durant for FMVP

[Stalin]

Just be happy for James come june, k joe??


Fair enough, scrah, seeing a 73-9 historic choke is once in a life time... :lmao:lmao

[LakerHater]

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[Molotov]

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[LakerHater]

Crymond Green:
-43 in game 3
-20 in game 4


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[Kawhitstorm]

He still passed the ball back to Parker with like 4 on the shot clock the first timePERIOD.

Dumbass, Kawhi didn't even touch the ball in the Finals 2 minutes of the game, it was Porker calling his own number. He made a jumper & brick 2 along w/ splitting a crucial FT.

I just re-watched the 4th quarters:

If you are talking about the possession at the 3 minute mark following Kawhi's steal/dunk sequence where Porker had his shot blocked by Durant then you are REACHING since Adams doubled Kawhi when he drove into the paint & forced him to give up the ball or shoot a low percentage shot. Kawhi did the right thing & gave the ball to Porker w/ 7 seconds on the clock but dumbass Porker tries to get into the paint only to fail miserable which results in a contested shot over Durant. All he had to do was take the fuckin' WIDE OPEN jumper after Kawhi set a screen on WestBrick to free him up but dude puts his head down & drives towards Durant.:lol

If you switched the point guard then Durant would have been done in 5 games.

[Stalin]

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Gaymond getting his shit pushed in by Metheads gigantic frontline.. :lmao:lmao

[lefty]

Metheads are just playing good old fashioned 90's Bully Ball using bigs to lay down the wood against Warriors faggot 3 points chucking style of :lol today's NBA.

HarlemHeat37
Clipper Nation

[spursistan]

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OKC got the horses to even nullify their secret weapon..

[InRareForm]

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[Stalin]

https://twitter.com/_____0__o______/status/735326887845715969

:LOL


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[lefty]

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[spursistan]

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[Kawhitstorm]

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OKC got the horses to even nullify their secret weapon..

It happens to be KD at the 4 & Ibaka at the 5, the same line-up Boris 2.0 checkmated in 2014.:lol

[SAGirl]

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It happens to be KD at the 4 & Ibaka at the 5, the same line-up Boris 2.0 checkmated in 2014.:lol
Boris might be done Kstorm. He was more missing through the season than TD with no wheels was. He was also missing for most of the Grizz series and when you think about it J.Green had his # and I only remember a single good game by Boris through the season, the depleted GSW game at home. Even the rookies and KA had good games through the season, Boris was MIA. At one point one has to recognize that he is Porkys age and could be done bc he doesn't take care of his body like TD does and even Dwest had a lot more energy to play than him.

I think when Pop looks at the guys who were MIA some he can do nothing about bc they are old as hell, others he can do nothing about bc they are at an early development stage, he pushed them as far as they would go but that was it for this season, but then there is Boris. We no longer have 2014 Boris.

[LkrFan]

Westbeast shittin on Curry lol

:lol

[TampaDude]

LFIS375p75A

Cavs need to worry about getting by Toronto first, bro...

[soxxx]

I think okc wins tommorow night in Golden state. They beat sa twice in sa and will do the same to gs. They have em beat mentally, physically, etc. Warriors under way to much pressure will fold up at home.

[TampaDude]

I think okc wins tommorow night in Golden state. They beat sa twice in sa and will do the same to gs. They have em beat mentally, physically, etc. Warriors under way to much pressure will fold up at home.

Dubs = Regular Season Champions?

[soxxx]

Dubs = Regular Season Champions?

Dubs just not a playoff team. First real playoff series they ever play in they melt.

[140]

WTF, TNT just showed an Asian OKC fan

Must be a former GSW fan

Which means he was a former laker fan :lol

[Killakobe81]

Green is melting just as he gets a new Beats commercial ...
Steph looks less than 100% ...
Russ looks like the best player in this series ...
Durant is showing fire and leadership (He better save some of that for LeBron)
OKC's traps on Curry in pnr with their mobile bigs is destroying the rhythm of the dubs offense.
Kerr should use Klay's man as the screener instead even if it provides them less spacing ...because at least Curry can pass over Roberson or Wesbrook he cannot make effective passes over Durant/Adamas and Ibaka due to their length.
Turnovers. almost every turnover by the dubs leads to a Russ drive or Durant jumper they need to limit those ...

But despite all of that when Russ is in 2009 Kobe mode ... Durant in 2011 dirk mode and the role players playing like the 2011 Mavs (good call out by Gemini who said that very early) I dont think even Lebron can beat this team.

Russ telling all his haters here shhh.
Loved how Deeps keeps talking his True shooting% ...
Watch the games. he still take dumb shots so his metrics will be off ...
But Russ has been the best player by impact in backto back series facing 67 and 73 win teams.
Kiwi is back to back DPOTY
Duncan has multiple Mvp's same with Steph
Durant even has one but russ has controlled these playoffs more than anyone else.
When they win he is main factor and when they have lost he deserves a lot of the blame as well.

MVP of these playoffs (so far) the iso monster, monkey balling in-efficient chucker wannabe Kobe (the real wannabe Kobe though he dresses like Wade) Russell FREAKING westbrook

[Thread]

Russ telling all his haters here shhh.


The old fuck shoulder-to-shoulder with him? Me

[140]

Green is melting just as he gets a new Beats commercial ...
Steph looks less than 100% ...
Russ looks like the best player in this series ...
Durant is showing fire and leadership (He better save some of that for LeBron)
OKC's traps on Curry in pnr with their mobile bigs is destroying the rhythm of the dubs offense.
Kerr should use Klay's man as the screener instead even if it provides them less spacing ...because at least Curry can pass over Roberson or Wesbrook he cannot make effective passes over Durant/Adamas and Ibaka due to their length.
Turnovers. almost every turnover by the dubs leads to a Russ drive or Durant jumper they need to limit those ...

But despite all of that when Russ is in 2009 Kobe mode ... Durant in 2011 dirk mode and the role players playing like the 2011 Mavs (good call out by Gemini who said that very early) I dont think even Lebron can beat this team.

Russ telling all his haters here shhh.
Loved how Deeps keeps talking his True shooting% ...
Watch the games. he still take dumb shots so his metrics will be off ...
But Russ has been the best player by impact in backto back series facing 67 and 73 win teams.
Kiwi is back to back DPOTY
Duncan has multiple Mvp's same with Steph
Durant even has one but russ has controlled these playoffs more than anyone else.
When they win he is main factor and when they have lost he deserves a lot of the blame as well.

MVP of these playoffs (so far) the iso monster, monkey balling in-efficient chucker wannabe Kobe (the real wannabe Kobe though he dresses like Wade) Russell FREAKING westbrook

trying to somehow prop up the retired TOSB :lmao

[Thread]

trying to somehow prop up the retired TOSB :lmao

Duncan retired?

[140]

Duncan retired?

:rolleyes

[Thread]

:rolleyes

He's the shit bag. Legit question.

[140]

He's the shit bag. Legit question.

Both of them are as of right now. Only one is officially retired though. Don't be purposely obtuse, Cub

[Thread]

Both of them are as of right now. Only one is officially retired though. Don't be purposely obtuse, Cub

I lodged The Bag in Texas. It ain't moved since.

[140]

I lodged The Bag in Texas. It ain't moved since.

It has moved plenty tbh

[Thread]

It has moved plenty tbh

Horseshit. You had your chance and let little Kiwi shade him.

[Killakobe81]

trying to somehow prop up the retired TOSB :lmao

how is that propping up? Most of this board hates Westbrook and are only now grudgingly accepting him as a great player. IF i wanted to prop up Kobe, wouldn't I compare him to Lebron instead?

[Killakobe81]

Cully has fully backed Westbrook before even me tbh.
I was still frustrated by some of his decision making but I do think Cully sees some of Kobe in russ ...
Am I wrong, Cully?

[ambchang]

Cully has fully backed Westbrook before even me tbh.
I was still frustrated by some of his decision making but I do think Cully sees some of Kobe in russ ...
Am I wrong, Cully?

Which big is Russ coattail-riding?

[Killakobe81]

Which big is Russ coattail-riding?

No one but his bigs have played a key role in this series ...
And oh yeah shut your trap, Amb.
Dont turn this in another one of your diatribes.
This more about Russ than Kobe.
I am just glad to see another player this board loathes have a chance to ring ...

[ambchang]

No one but his bigs have played a key role in this series ...
And oh yeah shut your trap, Amb.
Dont turn this in another one of your diatribes.
This more about Russ than Kobe.
I am just glad to see another player this board loathes have a chance to ring ...

Why would you drag Kobe into this situation is beyond me. In fact, Russ is playing better because he's learning to slow down and chuck less, trusting his teammates. That is something Kobe never did. he kept chucking till the very end and win rings because the Lakers have the best frontlines by a couple of light years over other teams to rebound his bricks.

Stop dragging other people down by putting Kobe in the conversation.

You don't suddenly hear me talk about how Durant is balling like an 03 Duncan, do you?

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Cully has fully backed Westbrook before even me tbh.
I was still frustrated by some of his decision making but I do think Cully sees some of Kobe in russ ...
Am I wrong, Cully?

Damn rights, I did.

Like Kobe he's easily lured into it (can be any trap). Kobe had the tools to extricate himself from said trap-then hunt down those who'd set it time & time again.
Westbrook? Seething, still in the trap.

[Killakobe81]

Why would you drag Kobe into this situation is beyond me. In fact, Russ is playing better because he's learning to slow down and chuck less, trusting his teammates. That is something Kobe never did. he kept chucking till the very end and win rings because the Lakers have the best frontlines by a couple of light years over other teams to rebound his bricks.

Stop dragging other people down by putting Kobe in the conversation.

You don't suddenly hear me talk about how Durant is balling like an 03 Duncan, do you?

One, that is a dumb comparison ...their games are nothing alike.
Russ may be playing better than Kobe but as you just said Russ has had to learn slow down and to trust his team-mates ...
Wow where have we heard THAT before ...:lol :wakeup
And you are full of shit there was plenty of trust provided during the 3peat years which you have already admitted yourself.

You can sell dat shit elsewhere but I know your work, Amb ....

Please put your hate aside ... the comparison is apt and I stand by it ...

[ambchang]

One, that is a dumb comparison ...their games are nothing alike.

Yeah, just like Russ is based on instincts and Kobe's is based on footwork.


Russ may be playing better than Kobe but as you just said Russ has had to learn slow down and to trust his team-mates ...
Wow where have we heard THAT before ...:lol :wakeup

We heard that from Jordan.


And you are full of shit there was plenty of trust provided during the 3peat years which you have already admitted yourself.

Kobe didn't learn to trust Shaq, he learned to be the beta that he should one. Once he decided to be the alpha and try to shake off the chain, the Lakers fell apart.


You can sell dat shit elsewhere but I know your work, Amb ....

Please put your hate aside ... the comparison is apt and I stand by it ...

How is it apt?

[Killakobe81]

Comparison NBC Sports

From Royce Young of ESPN.com:

“That’s my guy. That’s my guy. That’s my guy. Kobe’s a good friend of mine and being in L.A. I was able to watch him and see him become a Hall of Famer and one of the best players to play the game. It’s an honor to be able to see somebody like that, to be able to have your back and support you.”

Bryant and Westbrook are similar, in that they’re fiery players who will do whatever it takes to win — and neither of them care what you might think about that, which is part of what makes them so polarizing.

Westbrook: "It's crazy man. Me growing up in L.A., being able to watch Kobe, he was one of the guys I looked up to. Crazy to see him hang it up. Obviously he was one of the greatest players to play the game and somebody I learned a lot from. His demeanor, his attitude, his competitive nature, it's gonna be crazy to not see him on the floor. Throughout this season, I want to get an opportunity to thank him for what he did for the game of basketball. Just for me, being a kid in L.A., it was good for me."

You talk about learning from him, I know we've talked about some of the post moves you took from him. What else have you learned?

Westbrook: "A lot of things. Mindset. Having that killer instinct. I think a lot of players take that for granted, especially coming from him and him being able to have that killer instinct. It made him a better player, the player he is today."

I could go on but nope, Amb will insist the comparison is not apt ....

[140]

how is that propping up? Most of this board hates Westbrook and are only now grudgingly accepting him as a great player. IF i wanted to prop up Kobe, wouldn't I compare him to Lebron instead?

You claimed Westbrook is the MVP of the playoffs and that he's doing it by playing like kobe, implying that its the inefficient chucking that's leading them to success. How is that not propping up? :lol

[Killakobe81]

You claimed Westbrook is the MVP of the playoffs and that he's doing it by playing like kobe, implying that its the inefficient chucking that's leading them to success. How is that not propping up? :lol

First I never said he was doing so with inefficient chucking ...
I was saying that as nod to his haters ...
they are winning for a lot of different reasons and at times Russ does some dumb shit even still/
But he is a much better athlete than Kobe ever was and is becoming a more willing passer on those counts Amb is is right, tbh.
But I think SI said it best he is like a mini LeBron with Kobe's drive ... but he also has some of Kobe's faults

But when you watch him play he is most dominant force in every playoff game win or lose.

[140]

Bryant and Westbrook are similar, in that they’re fiery players who will do whatever it takes to win — and neither of them care what you might think about that, which is part of what makes them so polarizing.

Do people seriously still believe this? :lol

Kobe would only "do whatever it takes to win" as long as he was the one getting credit for it...and rofl at him not caring about what people think of him when he went (and still goes) to great lenghts to create and sustain a whole fake persona in order to manipulate the way the public views him and his "legacy"

[Killakobe81]

Do people seriously still believe this? :lol

Kobe would only "do whatever it takes to win" as long as he was the one getting credit for it...and rofl at him not caring about what people think of him when he went (and still goes) to great lenghts to create and sustain a whole fake persona in order to manipulate the way the public views him and his "legacy"

Just telling you what people report I mean it's ESPN ...
IF you want to accept "12" ..shouldnt you accept this as well?:rollin
Wanting credit for a win doesnt invalidate the other part of the argument ...

But I am done discussing Kobe but I am sure Amb and plenty others will love to continue.
I said that was who he reminded ME of ...you disagree even though he freely admits he gleamed alot from Kobe?
Feel free.

I hope this series is not over but if Russ has his way like he did last night the shit is done.
And if he can do it for 5 more games you will have to accept that man as the winner cully called him years ago.
You will not be able to deny him his props even though I am sure some will argue Curry and Duncan had knee injuries

[ambchang]

Comparison NBC Sports

From Royce Young of ESPN.com:

“That’s my guy. That’s my guy. That’s my guy. Kobe’s a good friend of mine and being in L.A. I was able to watch him and see him become a Hall of Famer and one of the best players to play the game. It’s an honor to be able to see somebody like that, to be able to have your back and support you.”

Bryant and Westbrook are similar, in that they’re fiery players who will do whatever it takes to win — and neither of them care what you might think about that, which is part of what makes them so polarizing.

That had nothing to do with their games, does it? It applies to Allen Iverson and Charles Barkley, it applies to Charles Oakley and Bill Laimbeer, and it had nothing to do with their game.


Westbrook: "It's crazy man. Me growing up in L.A., being able to watch Kobe, he was one of the guys I looked up to. Crazy to see him hang it up. Obviously he was one of the greatest players to play the game and somebody I learned a lot from. His demeanor, his attitude, his competitive nature, it's gonna be crazy to not see him on the floor. Throughout this season, I want to get an opportunity to thank him for what he did for the game of basketball. Just for me, being a kid in L.A., it was good for me."

Notice he didn't say "The way he uses his foot work to get free for shots, or the way he bulldozes his way to the rim like Dwyne Wade or Derrick Rose."


You talk about learning from him, I know we've talked about some of the post moves you took from him. What else have you learned?

Lead question. And what post move does Westbrook have? None.


Westbrook: "A lot of things. Mindset. Having that killer instinct. I think a lot of players take that for granted, especially coming from him and him being able to have that killer instinct. It made him a better player, the player he is today."

I could go on but nope, Amb will insist the comparison is not apt ....

Again, things like "killer instinct", "demeanor", "attitude" and "competitive nature" have absolutely nothing to do with the way they play the game. It has everything to do with the media trying to connect two SG who doesn't play the game anywhere close to each other though.

I am looking forward to you pulling a picture of Westbrook doing that stupid jaw jut, or someone referring to Westbrook as a female movie character as evidence of how Westbrook and Kobe have comparable games.

[ambchang]

Just telling you what people report I mean it's ESPN ...
IF you want to accept "12" ..shouldnt you accept this as well?:rollin
Wanting credit for a win doesnt invalidate the other part of the argument ...

But I am done discussing Kobe but I am sure Amb and plenty others will love to continue.
I said that was who he reminded ME of ...you disagree even though he freely admits he gleamed alot from Kobe?
Feel free.

I hope this series is not over but if Russ has his way like he did last night the shit is done.
And if he can do it for 5 more games you will have to accept that man as the winner cully called him years ago.
You will not be able to deny him his props even though I am sure some will argue Curry and Duncan had knee injuries

You say that every time you are on the losing end of the argument, and then you can't help yourself and pull Kobe out of thin air in a totally irrelevant topic, have people answer you, accuse the other of bringing in Kobe for no reason, got pushed in, and repeat.

[Killakobe81]

That had nothing to do with their games, does it? It applies to Allen Iverson and Charles Barkley, it applies to Charles Oakley and Bill Laimbeer, and it had nothing to do with their game.



Notice he didn't say "The way he uses his foot work to get free for shots, or the way he bulldozes his way to the rim like Dwyne Wade or Derrick Rose."



Lead question. And what post move does Westbrook have? None.



Again, things like "killer instinct", "demeanor", "attitude" and "competitive nature" have absolutely nothing to do with the way they play the game. It has everything to do with the media trying to connect two SG who doesn't play the game anywhere close to each other though.

I am looking forward to you pulling a picture of Westbrook doing that stupid jaw jut, or someone referring to Westbrook as a female movie character as evidence of how Westbrook and Kobe have comparable games.

I already knew you would continue down this path..
You cant win this debate, aMb now matter how hard you try
He reminds ME, ME! Not you ...
you can argue the question was leading whatever ...
But we have Russ, Kobe and two different sportswriters all making the same comparison.
You dont agree with the comparison, God bless your hating little heart.

But I gave you the win the last time you tried to debate me ...but I dont have to prove shit when it's my opinion alone (well me and plenty of others) and I am not trying to present it as fact.

[lefty]

Which means he was a former laker fan :lol

:lol

[Beaverfuzz]

Fuck the Dubs!

[140]

Just telling you what people report I mean it's ESPN ...
IF you want to accept "12" ..shouldnt you accept this as well?:rollin
Wanting credit for a win doesnt invalidate the other part of the argument ...

It does when that's your sole motivation. If he somehow could get the same praise even if his team kept losing he wouldn't give a fuck. In fact that's pretty much what we saw this season with the whole circus farewell tour thing :lol


But I am done discussing Kobe but I am sure Amb and plenty others will love to continue.
I said that was who he reminded ME of ...you disagree even though he freely admits he gleamed alot from Kobe?
Feel free.
I disagree of you attributing his "MVP of the playoffs" status to him playing inefficient kobe style isoball as if that is the reason for his/OKC's success so far. I don't care if he reminds you of kobe or not.

[ambchang]

I already knew you would continue down this path..
You cant win this debate, aMb now matter how hard you try
He reminds ME, ME! Not you ...
you can argue the question was leading whatever ...
But we have Russ, Kobe and two different sportswriters all making the same comparison.
You dont agree with the comparison, God bless your hating little heart.

But I gave you the win the last time you tried to debate me ...but I dont have to prove shit when it's my opinion alone (well me and plenty of others) and I am not trying to present it as fact.

:lol the default it means to me route. You can stay delusional all you want. You can FEEL Jon Koncak > Duncan, and you will win that argument every time, because it was YOU, YOU that felt it, and I can't argue your feelings.

It's my opinion that Harold Minor is a better basketball player than Shaquille O'Neal. I AM right because it is MY opinion, MINE! :lol

Two sports writer wrote about two SGs they want to prop up in an article is proof? There were sportswriters than felt KVH was a better pick at #1 back in 1997 as well, so?

[Killakobe81]

:lol the default it means to me route. You can stay delusional all you want. You can FEEL Jon Koncak > Duncan, and you will win that argument every time, because it was YOU, YOU that felt it, and I can't argue your feelings.

It's my opinion that Harold Minor is a better basketball player than Shaquille O'Neal. I AM right because it is MY opinion, MINE! :lol

Two sports writer wrote about two SGs they want to prop up in an article is proof? There were sportswriters than felt KVH was a better pick at #1 back in 1997 as well, so?

Gosh you are silly ...
Do you really need to talk about Kobe that badly?
I say he reminds me of you say not ...its over, dude.
Then you embarass yourself with ridiculous examples ...
When I gave you examples ...including from the player himself.

Anyways, this is about Russ who is taking a shit on the mvp and the runner up to mvp in back2back series ...
My nicca Russ doing Bruin type things!

[Killakobe81]

It does when that's your sole motivation. If he somehow could get the same praise even if his team kept losing he wouldn't give a fuck. In fact that's pretty much what we saw this season with the whole circus farewell tour thing :lol


I disagree of you attributing his "MVP of the playoffs" status to him playing inefficient kobe style isoball as if that is the reason for his/OKC's success so far. I don't care if he reminds you of kobe or not.

I didnt say that is why he is playing wellwhat i am saying i have seen plenty of yall bitch about Russ (not sure if you are in that camp.) And he reminds me and others of Kobe ...But if my comparison offends you well tbh idgaf ...and wont argue the point ...please see why in my response to Amb ...

You disagree, duly noted.
My only issue with you is you say in givong him props in ghe comparison when in fact if i wanted to prop Kobe Russ would be probably the worst choice outside of Draymond Green ...people are still hating on Russ today

[Gummi Clutch]

I didnt say that is why he is playing wellwhat i am saying i have seen plenty of yall bitch about Russ (not sure if you are in that camp.) And he reminds me and others of Kobe ...But if my comparison offends you well tbh idgaf ...and wont argue the point ...please see why in my response to Amb ...

You disagree, duly noted.
My only issue with you is you say in givong him props in ghe comparison when in fact if i wanted to prop Kobe Russ would be probably the worst choice outside of Draymond Green ...people are still hating on Russ today
sup bandwagon bitch. The team you've been dickriding is getting ass fucked :lol

[Killakobe81]

sup bandwagon bitch. The team you've been dickriding is getting ass fucked :lol

By Russ a fellow alumni ...
And im not a dubs fans so it fells nothing like what dallas gave us in 2011 or Celts in 1984

[Gummi Clutch]

By Russ a fellow alumni ...
And im not a dubs fans so it fells nothing like what dallas gave us in 2011 or Celts in 1984
Lies just own upto it.

[DAF86]

What's this bullshit about Westbrook being more important than KD in this series? :lol

Durant is scoring more, more efficiently AND he's playing stellar defense. He's guarding the basket like a mini-Mutombo. He's the main reason why OKC can keep up with GS small line-ups but still punish them with size. He's clearly the key player of the matchup.

Don't get me wrong, Westbrook has been awesome too (they both needed to be to be in the position they are right now), but I don't know why some folks are trying to sell us that Westbrook is being more important than KD. And according to them "pretty clearly" too. :lol

[Killakobe81]

What's this bullshit about Westbrook being more important than KD in this series? :lol

Durant is scoring more, more efficiently AND he's playing stellar defense. He's guarding the basket like a mini-Mutombo. He's the main reason why OKC can keep up with GS small line-ups but still punish them with size. He's clearly the key player of the matchup.

Don't get me wrong, Westbrook has been awesome too (they both needed to be to be in the position they are right now), but I don't know why some folks are trying to sell us that Westbrook is being more important than KD, tbh. :lol

I aint gotta sell you shit ... you can see how he changes games. Durant is more consistent more reliable ... he may even better player still ...but OKC is at their best when russ is dominant in his all around floor game...

[Kawhitstorm]

Cavs need to worry about getting by Toronto first, bro...

OKC needs to closeout the Duds without suffering an injury, bro....

[DAF86]

I aint gotta sell you shit ... you can see how he changes games. Durant is more consistent more reliable ... he may even better player still ...but OKC is at their best when russ is dominant in his all around floor game...

So you are trying to tell me OKC is better when Westbrook plays well. What a novel concept :wow

That still doesn't mean he is being more important than KD in this series. Have you even been paying attention to what KD is doing on the defensive end?

[Kawhitstorm]

Boris might be done Kstorm. He was more missing through the season than TD with no wheels was.
I think when Pop looks at the guys who were MIA some he can do nothing about bc they are old as hell, others he can do nothing about bc they are at an early development stage, he pushed them as far as they would go but that was it for this season, but then there is Boris. We no longer have 2014 Boris.

They can't play Ibaka at the 5 now b/c LMA would eat him alive.:toast

KD barely played at the 4, most likely due to the fear of Diaw being activated.:lol (They neutralized Diaw w/ Bully-Ball)

[ambchang]

Gosh you are silly ...
Do you really need to talk about Kobe that badly?
I say he reminds me of you say not ...its over, dude.

So you get to start and end a conversation whenever you feel like? Is that your opinion too?


Then you embarass yourself with ridiculous examples ...
When I gave you examples ...including from the player himself.

It's not embarrassing myself, it's about embarrassing you by telling you how illogical that "to me" card is.


Anyways, this is about Russ who is taking a shit on the mvp and the runner up to mvp in back2back series ...
My nicca Russ doing Bruin type things!

Westbrook is doing great, but this series isn't about Westbrook, this series is about the importance of matchups and having role players step up.

[lefty]

Agree on role players

90s ball killing today's NBA

[Killakobe81]

So you are trying to tell me OKC is better when Westbrook plays well. What a novel concept :wow

That still doesn't mean he is being more important than KD in this series. Have you even been paying attention to what KD is doing on the defensive end?

Yes, I have. Have you been paying attention to the big changes in momentum Westbrook has sparked? no way OKC wins game 2 without the huge run that Russ put on in the third to reel the dubs back in ....

[DAF86]

Yes, I have. Have you been paying attention to the big changes in momentum Westbrook has sparked? no way OKC wins game 2 without the huge run that Russ put on in the third to reel the dubs back in ....

Durant has created OKC runs and stopped GS runs too, tbh. Both are playing great, and both need to play great if they want to finish GS off. But to me it's pretty clear that Durant has had the overall greater impact.

[Killakobe81]

So you get to start and end a conversation whenever you feel like? Is that your opinion too?



It's not embarrassing myself, it's about embarrassing you by telling you how illogical that "to me" card is.



Westbrook is doing great, but this series isn't about Westbrook, this series is about the importance of matchups and having role players step up.

It was still silly ... how does ranking one player over another (koncak>Duncan) even remotely compare to saying that X player reminds me of y player?

And I yes I can end any argument because I am the one that chooses to engage or not. If you wish to circle jerk 140 about the retired one and rehash old shit go ahead.

This is about Westbrook more than anyone else. Sure it's match-ups, coaching, length etc. But westbrook has been the primary factor on why the 67 win Spurs are home and the 73 win dubs are one foot out the door. But of course when it's a player you adore like Tim, Moses, Bird ... their leadership and unselfishness is a primary reason why those teams won. But when Russ wins it's the role-players and matchups.

Roberson scoring 17 was going to help beat most teams because it's unexpected ...
But the reason Roberson is wide open is because the attention paid to Durant and Russ.
Russ is the one drawing the defense via penetration and giving Durant, Roberson waiters wide open looks.

Those here that have been hating on him for years just cannot give him his credit. But I will.

[Killakobe81]

Durant has created OKC runs and stopped GS runs too, tbh. Both are playing great, and both need to play great if they want to finish GS off. But to me it's pretty clear that Durant has had the overall greater impact.

Yep.

[Killakobe81]

Russ is leading the playoffs in ...

1. assists
2. Offensive winshares
3. Box plus/minus
4. Offensive box plus/minus
5. VORP
6. PER

He is also
5th in scoring average (Durant is 1st)
4th in steals
6th in winshares per 48
8th in defensive win shares

In almost every category I listed Russ places hire than Durant.

[ambchang]

It was still silly ... how does ranking one player over another (koncak>Duncan) even remotely compare to saying that X player reminds me of y player?

They are both opinions.


And I yes I can end any argument because I am the one that chooses to engage or not. If you wish to circle jerk 140 about the retired one and rehash old shit go ahead.

:lol, this is just embarrassing. You provided no arguments other than "it's my opinion", which really isn't an argument at all. You tried to equate a player who is playing well with Kobe, and you got called out on it. Instead of having legit arguments to defend it, you pulled up articles about demeanour and killer instincts, which has nothing to do with the similarity of games.


This is about Westbrook more than anyone else. Sure it's match-ups, coaching, length etc. But westbrook has been the primary factor on why the 67 win Spurs are home and the 73 win dubs are one foot out the door. But of course when it's a player you adore like Tim, Moses, Bird ... their leadership and unselfishness is a primary reason why those teams won. But when Russ wins it's the role-players and matchups.

Then you are not giving Roberson and Adams enough credit. Those two are balling right now.

Westbrook shot 29% from 3 and 38% from the field vs. the Spurs. What stood out was how well he passed and involved his teammates, which is more about coaching and role players stepping up.

Is Russ responsible for the role players stepping up? Sure, but so is Durant. Those two are constants and we know about them. I am under no delusions that the Spurs win in 99 without Jaren Jackson, 03 without Stephen Jackson/Kerr/Claxton with their timely contributions. As for Moses, he was a one man wrecking crew in 83. Bird and Tim were just the clear best players on those championships teams, Westbrook isn't.


Roberson scoring 17 was going to help beat most teams because it's unexpected ...
But the reason Roberson is wide open is because the attention paid to Durant and Russ.
Russ is the one drawing the defense via penetration and giving Durant, Roberson waiters wide open looks.

Those here that have been hating on him for years just cannot give him his credit. But I will.

I think he stepped up, I think he finally make the right decisions and passed to the right people at the right times. I have no problems with giving him the credit that he is finally doing things that he was supposed to have been doing years ago, what I have an issue is saying that he is the primary reason the Thunder are beating expectations.

It's like saying a high performance car with flat tires can't go far, and then someone changes the tires, and it's all because of the tires that the car is performing well. it's not.

[Killakobe81]

They are both opinions.



:lol, this is just embarrassing. You provided no arguments other than "it's my opinion", which really isn't an argument at all. You tried to equate a player who is playing well with Kobe, and you got called out on it. Instead of having legit arguments to defend it, you pulled up articles about demeanour and killer instincts, which has nothing to do with the similarity of games.



Then you are not giving Roberson and Adams enough credit. Those two are balling right now.

Westbrook shot 29% from 3 and 38% from the field vs. the Spurs. What stood out was how well he passed and involved his teammates, which is more about coaching and role players stepping up.

Is Russ responsible for the role players stepping up? Sure, but so is Durant. Those two are constants and we know about them. I am under no delusions that the Spurs win in 99 without Jaren Jackson, 03 without Stephen Jackson/Kerr/Claxton with their timely contributions. As for Moses, he was a one man wrecking crew in 83. Bird and Tim were just the clear best players on those championships teams, Westbrook isn't.



I think he stepped up, I think he finally make the right decisions and passed to the right people at the right times. I have no problems with giving him the credit that he is finally doing things that he was supposed to have been doing years ago, what I have an issue is saying that he is the primary reason the Thunder are beating expectations.

It's like saying a high performance car with flat tires can't go far, and then someone changes the tires, and it's all because of the tires that the car is performing well. it's not.

Like I said I could pull up examples/arguments ... but it doesnt matter when you are dug in like a tick ...and tbh it's not like I'm arguing something that is even debatable. I said he reminds me of someone ... that's not a fact that can be debated or I can be called out on. I already said some of the why ... the article I quoted was just to show I was not on an island.

The subject matter is not worth the time because again it's not like I am arguing "better PG Magic or CP3" there is no debate here. You just get your panties in a knot when a certain player is mentioned.

Like Igaf if you "called me out" ... Move on, dude. Why dont you address the stats I put up on westbrook? But like Deeps you are locked in on shooting % when almost every metric shows Westbrooks dominance and let's not even bring in the eye test or that West is outplaying the backtoback MVP ...

[Killakobe81]

They are both opinions.



:lol, this is just embarrassing. You provided no arguments other than "it's my opinion", which really isn't an argument at all. You tried to equate a player who is playing well with Kobe, and you got called out on it. Instead of having legit arguments to defend it, you pulled up articles about demeanour and killer instincts, which has nothing to do with the similarity of games.



Then you are not giving Roberson and Adams enough credit. Those two are balling right now.

Westbrook shot 29% from 3 and 38% from the field vs. the Spurs. What stood out was how well he passed and involved his teammates, which is more about coaching and role players stepping up.

Is Russ responsible for the role players stepping up? Sure, but so is Durant. Those two are constants and we know about them. I am under no delusions that the Spurs win in 99 without Jaren Jackson, 03 without Stephen Jackson/Kerr/Claxton with their timely contributions. As for Moses, he was a one man wrecking crew in 83. Bird and Tim were just the clear best players on those championships teams, Westbrook isn't.



I think he stepped up, I think he finally make the right decisions and passed to the right people at the right times. I have no problems with giving him the credit that he is finally doing things that he was supposed to have been doing years ago, what I have an issue is saying that he is the primary reason the Thunder are beating expectations.

It's like saying a high performance car with flat tires can't go far, and then someone changes the tires, and it's all because of the tires that the car is performing well. it's not.

Real talk, you have some of the shittiest analogies ...:lol

[Killakobe81]

They are both opinions.



:lol, this is just embarrassing. You provided no arguments other than "it's my opinion", which really isn't an argument at all. You tried to equate a player who is playing well with Kobe, and you got called out on it. Instead of having legit arguments to defend it, you pulled up articles about demeanour and killer instincts, which has nothing to do with the similarity of games.



Then you are not giving Roberson and Adams enough credit. Those two are balling right now.

Westbrook shot 29% from 3 and 38% from the field vs. the Spurs. What stood out was how well he passed and involved his teammates, which is more about coaching and role players stepping up.

Is Russ responsible for the role players stepping up? Sure, but so is Durant. Those two are constants and we know about them. I am under no delusions that the Spurs win in 99 without Jaren Jackson, 03 without Stephen Jackson/Kerr/Claxton with their timely contributions. As for Moses, he was a one man wrecking crew in 83. Bird and Tim were just the clear best players on those championships teams, Westbrook isn't.



I think he stepped up, I think he finally make the right decisions and passed to the right people at the right times. I have no problems with giving him the credit that he is finally doing things that he was supposed to have been doing years ago, what I have an issue is saying that he is the primary reason the Thunder are beating expectations.

It's like saying a high performance car with flat tires can't go far, and then someone changes the tires, and it's all because of the tires that the car is performing well. it's not.

I said the same exact thing ... reading is fundamental.

[DAF86]

Russ is leading the playoffs in ...

1. assists
2. Offensive winshares
3. Box plus/minus
4. Offensive box plus/minus
5. VORP
6. PER

He is also
5th in scoring average (Durant is 1st)
4th in steals
6th in winshares per 48
8th in defensive win shares

In almost every category I listed Russ places hire than Durant.

What does playoff numbers have to do with anything? We were arguing about this series.

[Killakobe81]

What does playoff numbers have to do with anything? We were arguing about this series.

I said he was the playoff MVP if you were paying attention ...
I also said he was the primary reason they beat "67" and "73" had one foot out the door ....but let's not let facts or stats get in the way.

[Kawhitstorm]

Russ is leading the playoffs in ...

1. assists
2. Offensive winshares
3. Box plus/minus
4. Offensive box plus/minus
5. VORP
6. PER

He is also
5th in scoring average (Durant is 1st)
4th in steals
6th in winshares per 48
8th in defensive win shares

In almost every category I listed Russ places hire than Durant.

Durant had a mediocre 1st rd series including a 7 for 33 game.:lol

[Killakobe81]

From Zack Lowe Some points that validate arguments made by posters today (even DAF and AMB)

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15722751/durant-westbrook-thunder-verge-finals

More than anything, Durant and Westbrook have crescendoed together. They are the most terrifying, physically dominant two-man force in basketball since prime Kobe and Shaq.
Again, it's not just me. And yes durant and Shaq are the true alphas but both those teams became special when the #2 ascended to #1 quality ...

Durant has been a good defender for years now -- I voted him second-team All-Defense in 2014, his last healthy season -- but he has been special in this series.
DAF that was for you ...

Do you believe Curry is "fine," as he said Tuesday night? I don't, really. He's struggling to drive past bigger players he torched in the regular season, and his juice at the rim isn't there. Green doesn't look like himself, either, after an ankle injury; the Thunder are just driving right at him, and they're happily laying the ball in over and around him. Guess what? I don't care. Injuries are part of the game, and these dudes are healthy enough to play.
I agree.

Hell, Ibaka sank a wide-open 3 late in the second quarter because the jittery Warriors sent three defenders to sandwich a Westbrook-Adams pick-and-roll at the foul line.
Like I said he is the primary impetus ...

Adams has become a magnificent player, and as the main direct Harden return still standing, he represents the core risk and reward of that Thunder deal. He is a smart, brutal, physical defender who has worked his butt off to become a legitimate threat offensively -- a mustachioed dunk machine on the pick-and-roll with an improving soft touch on hooks around the basket.

For you Amb, and I agree actually I love Adams but still stand by what I said.

[oh crap]

Durant had a mediocre 1st rd series including a 7 for 33 game.:lol

good thing he heated up in time to take a steaming shit on your boys

[Kawhitstorm]

good thing he heated up in time to take a steaming shit on your boys

Atlanta Cocks:lol

[SAGirl]

They can't play Ibaka at the 5 now b/c LMA would eat him alive.:toast

KD barely played at the 4, most likely due to the fear of Diaw being activated.:lol (They neutralized Diaw w/ Bully-Ball)
:toast

[Killakobe81]

Oh and for the series through 4 games ...

Russ
27.3 pts, 6.5 rebs 11.8 assts 3.8 steals
118 Orating 100 Drating Gamescore 26.1

KD
28.5 pts, 8.8 rebs, 2.5 assts, 2.0 steals, 1.8 blocks
103 Orating 100 Drating Gamescore 19.7

Stats, eye test etc all say the same thing ... but some with the numbers backing up the narrative still will ingore the truth.

[Clipper Nation]

Do people seriously still believe this? :lol

Kobe would only "do whatever it takes to win" as long as he was the one getting credit for it...and rofl at him not caring about what people think of him when he went (and still goes) to great lenghts to create and sustain a whole fake persona in order to manipulate the way the public views him and his "legacy" 140 going JJ Barea on Teamkillakobe48.5 :wow

[Killakobe81]

140 going JJ Barea on Teamkillakobe48.5 :wow

JJ Barea is pretty accurate tbh ...
But your facts are wrong. I didnt post that as what I thought that came from ESPN's Royce young ...
Apparently 140 went JJB (oh noes!!!) on Royce

[Killakobe81]

Clips fans admiring JJB, smh ...

[140]

JJ Barea is pretty accurate tbh ...
But your facts are wrong. I didnt post that as what I thought that came from ESPN's Royce young ...
Apparently 140 went JJB (oh noes!!!) on Royce

Yeah I knew that was from the article. The point still stands regardless. Don't tell me you don't share of the same sentiment though :lol

[rasuo214]

I said he was the playoff MVP if you were paying attention ...
I also said he was the primary reason they beat "67" and "73" had one foot out the door ....but let's not let facts or stats get in the way.

25 ppg on 23 shots is hardly impressive. Durant has easily been the better player in the Spurs and GSW series.

[Killakobe81]

25 ppg on 23 shots is hardly impressive. Durant has easily been the better player in the Spurs and GSW series.

Open your eyes watch the film or look at the series stats I posted if you arent being biased then you are just wrong. Russ is leading by almost every metric

[Killakobe81]

25 ppg on 23 shots is hardly impressive. Durant has easily been the better player in the Spurs and GSW series.

A lot of more efficient Players are at home watching Russ do work ..

[rasuo214]

Open your eyes watch the film or look at the series stats I posted if you arent being biased then you are just wrong.

I have. He was great against the Mavs, mediocre against the Spurs and good/great against the Warriors.

Durant was mediocre at best against the Mavs, good/great against the Spurs, and good/great against the Warriors.

Both have had up and down games.

Difference is Durant has been the focus of opposing defenses and Westbrook hasn't. Russ feasted when he's been up against a smaller/shitty defender (Mavs series, Parker, Curry), when he had Kawhi on him he was pretty bad.

[rasuo214]

A lot of more efficient Players are at home watching Russ do work ..

He'd be at home watching the playoffs if he didn't have an efficient teammate...

[Killakobe81]

I have. He was great against the Mavs, mediocre against the Spurs and good/great against the Warriors.

Durant was mediocre at best against the Mavs, good/great against the Spurs, and good/great against the Warriors.

Both have had up and down games.

Difference is Durant has been the focus of opposing defenses and Westbrook hasn't. Russ feasted when he's been up against a smaller/shitty defender (Mavs series, Parker, Curry), when he had Kawhi on him he was pretty bad.

What? He didnt do as well against the the two time dpoty?
Gtfo!!!
If Durant is the more effective player why was kiwi on him?
And why is Russ leading the nba in many key metrics and per game numbers. Outside of shooting efficiency and rim protection not much thst KD is doing better than Russ.and of course they need each other every great player needs a great wing man ..

[Killakobe81]

I have. He was great against the Mavs, mediocre against the Spurs and good/great against the Warriors.

Durant was mediocre at best against the Mavs, good/great against the Spurs, and good/great against the Warriors.

Both have had up and down games.

Difference is Durant has been the focus of opposing defenses and Westbrook hasn't. Russ feasted when he's been up against a smaller/shitty defender (Mavs series, Parker, Curry), when he had Kawhi on him he was pretty bad.

And lol russ is not the focus?! look at the article from Lowe I posted ...i hate the term,but if that is not a vanilla casual fan take ...I am not sure what is.

[DAF86]

I said he was the playoff MVP if you were paying attention ...
I also said he was the primary reason they beat "67" and "73" had one foot out the door ....but let's not let facts or stats get in the way.


Green is melting just as he gets a new Beats commercial ...
Steph looks less than 100% ...
Russ looks like the best player in this series ...
Durant is showing fire and leadership (He better save some of that for LeBron)
OKC's traps on Curry in pnr with their mobile bigs is destroying the rhythm of the dubs offense.
Kerr should use Klay's man as the screener instead even if it provides them less spacing ...because at least Curry can pass over Roberson or Wesbrook he cannot make effective passes over Durant/Adamas and Ibaka due to their length.
Turnovers. almost every turnover by the dubs leads to a Russ drive or Durant jumper they need to limit those ...

But despite all of that when Russ is in 2009 Kobe mode ... Durant in 2011 dirk mode and the role players playing like the 2011 Mavs (good call out by Gemini who said that very early) I dont think even Lebron can beat this team.

Russ telling all his haters here shhh.
Loved how Deeps keeps talking his True shooting% ...
Watch the games. he still take dumb shots so his metrics will be off ...
But Russ has been the best player by impact in backto back series facing 67 and 73 win teams.
Kiwi is back to back DPOTY
Duncan has multiple Mvp's same with Steph
Durant even has one but russ has controlled these playoffs more than anyone else.
When they win he is main factor and when they have lost he deserves a lot of the blame as well.

MVP of these playoffs (so far) the iso monster, monkey balling in-efficient chucker wannabe Kobe (the real wannabe Kobe though he dresses like Wade) Russell FREAKING westbrook

Well, that was easy, tbh.

And as a Spurs fan that suffered the series I can honestly say that no, Westbrook was more important than Durant in the Spurs series.

[Killakobe81]

Well, that was easy, tbh.

And as a Spurs fan that suffered the series I can honestly say that no, Westbrook was more important than Durant in the Spurs series.

Appreciate your honesty ...of course he still shoots,3s like shit (another common trait of youknowwho, Amb)
Despite that he still imprints the game with so much force only LeBron does it more ...but Russ is more aggresive ...

[DAF86]

Appreciate your honesty ...of course he still shoots,3s like shit (another common trait of youknowwho, Amb)
Despite that he still imprints the game with so much force only LeBron does it more ...but Russ is more aggresive ...

Sorry son. i meant "wasn't". Westbrook wasn't more important than Durant. My bad, tbh. :lol

[Killakobe81]

Sorry son. i meant "wasn't". Westbrook wasn't more important than Durant. My bad, tbh. :lol

Ha cantvtake it back, son ...:lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I give the Dublets an ~80% chance of winning tonight, it's at home and they'll be pumped... if Thunderefs can close out in Oracle I'll be unexpectedly and extremely impressed.

[TDMVPDPOY]

nothing impressive about okc 2 man team who takes up most of the offensive possessions, hoping others hit their shots when pass too

[ambchang]

Like I said I could pull up examples/arguments ... but it doesnt matter when you are dug in like a tick ...and tbh it's not like I'm arguing something that is even debatable. I said he reminds me of someone ... that's not a fact that can be debated or I can be called out on. I already said some of the why ... the article I quoted was just to show I was not on an island.

I am not even sure if you remember what you wrote, this is actually what you said:


Green is melting just as he gets a new Beats commercial ...
Steph looks less than 100% ...
Russ looks like the best player in this series ...
Durant is showing fire and leadership (He better save some of that for LeBron)
OKC's traps on Curry in pnr with their mobile bigs is destroying the rhythm of the dubs offense.
Kerr should use Klay's man as the screener instead even if it provides them less spacing ...because at least Curry can pass over Roberson or Wesbrook he cannot make effective passes over Durant/Adamas and Ibaka due to their length.
Turnovers. almost every turnover by the dubs leads to a Russ drive or Durant jumper they need to limit those ...

But despite all of that when Russ is in 2009 Kobe mode ... Durant in 2011 dirk mode and the role players playing like the 2011 Mavs (good call out by Gemini who said that very early) I dont think even Lebron can beat this team.

Russ telling all his haters here shhh.
Loved how Deeps keeps talking his True shooting% ...
Watch the games. he still take dumb shots so his metrics will be off ...
But Russ has been the best player by impact in backto back series facing 67 and 73 win teams.
Kiwi is back to back DPOTY
Duncan has multiple Mvp's same with Steph
Durant even has one but russ has controlled these playoffs more than anyone else.
When they win he is main factor and when they have lost he deserves a lot of the blame as well.

MVP of these playoffs (so far) the iso monster, monkey balling in-efficient chucker wannabe Kobe (the real wannabe Kobe though he dresses like Wade) Russell FREAKING westbrook

You didn't say Westbrook reminded you of Kobe, you said Westbrook IS Kobe. Huge difference.

And the article you wrote said NOTHING about inefficient chucking. It's all about demeanour and mindset, and had a quote about postups, which Westbrook doesn't even do.


The subject matter is not worth the time because again it's not like I am arguing "better PG Magic or CP3" there is no debate here. You just get your panties in a knot when a certain player is mentioned.

Like Igaf if you "called me out" ... Move on, dude. Why dont you address the stats I put up on westbrook? But like Deeps you are locked in on shooting % when almost every metric shows Westbrooks dominance and let's not even bring in the eye test or that West is outplaying the backtoback MVP ...

No question Westbrook is outplaying Steph, it's pretty clear that is the case, and I am not arguing otherwise.


Real talk, you have some of the shittiest analogies ...:lol

Is that a debatable point or is that just your opinion?

[ambchang]

From Zack Lowe Some points that validate arguments made by posters today (even DAF and AMB)

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15722751/durant-westbrook-thunder-verge-finals

More than anything, Durant and Westbrook have crescendoed together. They are the most terrifying, physically dominant two-man force in basketball since prime Kobe and Shaq.
Again, it's not just me. And yes durant and Shaq are the true alphas but both those teams became special when the #2 ascended to #1 quality ...

Durant has been a good defender for years now -- I voted him second-team All-Defense in 2014, his last healthy season -- but he has been special in this series.
DAF that was for you ...

Do you believe Curry is "fine," as he said Tuesday night? I don't, really. He's struggling to drive past bigger players he torched in the regular season, and his juice at the rim isn't there. Green doesn't look like himself, either, after an ankle injury; the Thunder are just driving right at him, and they're happily laying the ball in over and around him. Guess what? I don't care. Injuries are part of the game, and these dudes are healthy enough to play.
I agree.

Hell, Ibaka sank a wide-open 3 late in the second quarter because the jittery Warriors sent three defenders to sandwich a Westbrook-Adams pick-and-roll at the foul line.
Like I said he is the primary impetus ...

Adams has become a magnificent player, and as the main direct Harden return still standing, he represents the core risk and reward of that Thunder deal. He is a smart, brutal, physical defender who has worked his butt off to become a legitimate threat offensively -- a mustachioed dunk machine on the pick-and-roll with an improving soft touch on hooks around the basket.

For you Amb, and I agree actually I love Adams but still stand by what I said.

So great, Westbrook is the #2, and so was Kobe. We all know that, except you.

The difference is that they stepped up their game, we all know that too.

But they are still the #2.

And if saying that Durant + Westbrook is the best 1-2 punch since Shaq + Kobe means that Westbrook = Kobe, does that also mean Durant = Shaq?

So the role players stepped up, and again, this speaks to the importance of building the right team around superstars to win championships, future invalidating that superstar rings should be used to evaluate the greatness of a player.

[Killakobe81]

So great, Westbrook is the #2, and so was Kobe. We all know that, except you.

The difference is that they stepped up their game, we all know that too.

But they are still the #2.

And if saying that Durant + Westbrook is the best 1-2 punch since Shaq + Kobe means that Westbrook = Kobe, does that also mean Durant = Shaq?

So the role players stepped up, and again, this speaks to the importance of building the right team around superstars to win championships, future invalidating that superstar rings should be used to evaluate the greatness of a player.

I am not arguing that Russ is not the #2 smart guy. I agree also Kobe was the #2 on the 3peat ...I may have a case for a 1A/1B (with shaq as the A) in 2002 but overall Shaq was clearly the #1. Durant is the #1 as well ...but what does that have to do with this argument? That is why it's called a 1-2 punch. Sometimes like the example you used with Shaqobe the #2 is able to take advantage of the matchup or the attention the #1 gets We all know this. I never denied any of that. (Games 3 and 4 vs Sacramento in 2001) come to mind for shaqobe. The same case can be made here but I am not seeing that and the numbers dont bear that out either.

.I notice you ignored all the metrics that support what I said but you only have lengthy multi-quote answers when you THINK you are right ... so what do you say about those numbers Amb? I am "calling you out" as you like to say ... Zach Lowe even provided video evidence showing teh attention hat Wesbrook is getting from the Warriors but of course ESPN is full of shit when it doesnt fit your arguments. :lol

The numbers support Westbrook as the more impactful by almost any metric outside of shooting efficiency but do numbers only matter when they support your cause.:lol Where are all the savvy numbers like the ones you pull out of your ass to argue Pau as Finals MVP over Kobe? Show me how Durant has been more impactful since you know so much and I don't? I'll wait ...

Also
Was Parker the #1 when he won finals MVP?
Iggy?
Kiwi?
No.
You don't have to be the #1 to be the series, playoffs or finals MVP genius ... that is a foolish argument.

[ambchang]

I am not arguing that Russ is not the #2 smart guy. I agree also Kobe was the #2 on the 3peat ...I may have a case for a 1A/1B (with shaq as the A) in 2002 but overall Shaq was clearly the #1. Durant is the #1 as well ...but what does that have to do with this argument? That is why it's called a 1-2 punch. Sometimes like the example you used with Shaqobe the #2 is able to take advantage of the matchup or the attention the #1 gets We all know this. I never denied any of that. (Games 3 and 4 vs Sacramento in 2001) come to mind for shaqobe. The same case can be made here but I am not seeing that and the numbers dont bear that out either.

I guess all those stats, and you explicitly saying Russ is the best player means that he is the #2. I guess it's your opinion the best player is a #2 and I can't argue that.



.I notice you ignored all the metrics that support what I said but you only have lengthy multi-quote answers when you THINK you are right ... so what do you say about those numbers Amb? I am "calling you out" as you like to say ... Zach Lowe even provided video evidence showing teh attention hat Wesbrook is getting from the Warriors but of course ESPN is full of shit when it doesnt fit your arguments. :lol

And Durant is getting that attention as well.

Those numbers focus on the playoffs, not this series.


The numbers support Westbrook as the more impactful by almost any metric outside of shooting efficiency but do numbers only matter when they support your cause.:lol Where are all the savvy numbers like the ones you pull out of your ass to argue Pau as Finals MVP over Kobe? Show me how Durant has been more impactful since you know so much and I don't? I'll wait ...

Durant scored more, less TO, shot better, fouled less, and is playing better defense in the series.

And you are getting things mixed up, I am not arguing Durant is the better player, that is another user, so I am not exactly sure why you are dragging this into it. I am arguing you are trying to crowbar Kobe in a situation which has nothing to do with it.


Also
Was Parker the #1 when he won finals MVP?
Iggy?
Kiwi?
No.
You don't have to be the #1 to be the series, playoffs or finals MVP genius ... that is a foolish argument.

Has Westbrook won the FMVP? Did I say Durant is better because he won the Finals MVP?

[Killakobe81]

I guess all those stats, and you explicitly saying Russ is the best player means that he is the #2. I guess it's your opinion the best player is a #2 and I can't argue that.




And Durant is getting that attention as well.

Those numbers focus on the playoffs, not this series.



Durant scored more, less TO, shot better, fouled less, and is playing better defense in the series.

And you are getting things mixed up, I am not arguing Durant is the better player, that is another user, so I am not exactly sure why you are dragging this into it. I am arguing you are trying to crowbar Kobe in a situation which has nothing to do with it.



Has Westbrook won the FMVP? Did I say Durant is better because he won the Finals MVP?


1. I did not crowbar I made a comparison. Russ reminded me of Kobe in 2009 just much more athletic.
2. I posted the series stats as well but because you are so quick to try and show how smart you are ..you ignored that one.
3. A PG with a high usage rate has more turnovers than a SF? Shocking
4. I am not confusing anything my original point was Russ was the MVP or the playoffs and he reminded me of Kobe in 2009. you had an issue with the comparison ... I gave you the reason why but rather than focus on my original post you sidetracked in to a Kobe debate as you are want to do. I showed you proof that National writers,a local writer Russ, Kobe all have made a comparison and then you resorted to the normal bull shit arguments you usually do. :rollin
5. BTW, you are so full of Shit russ does post up and has a post move when it calls for it. I dont think it looks much like Kobe's tbh ...like how kobe copied MJ but to say he does not shows me you dont know as much about Russ as you are trying to claim.
6. Dont try to backtrack now ...you said specifically it wasnt as much about Russ and trying to imply I dont value the role players ... I gave them plenty of credit , I also compared durant to Dirk in 2011 as the role player like Roberson the the ones on that squad ...but you had no FREAKING issue with THOSE comparisons only with a four letter word that starts with "K" that gets you all bent out of shape :toast
7. Dont be obtuse. I didnt say Westbrook was a FMVP, My point is that a #2 (hell Iggy wasnt even that) can be and have proven to be the most valuable to a series win (Parker is debatable) ... doesnt your MVPau prove that in your book? :lol But when I call you out on that or use a more logical analogy then the bullshit one you posted yesterday ... you play dumb and I know you are not. Just blinded by hate. :toast

[Killakobe81]

Oh and for the series through 4 games ...

Russ
27.3 pts, 6.5 rebs 11.8 assts 3.8 steals
118 Orating 100 Drating Gamescore 26.1

KD
28.5 pts, 8.8 rebs, 2.5 assts, 2.0 steals, 1.8 blocks
103 Orating 100 Drating Gamescore 19.7

Stats, eye test etc all say the same thing ... but some with the numbers backing up the narrative still will ingore the truth.

Series so far ...

[ambchang]

1. I did not crowbar I made a comparison. Russ reminded me of Kobe in 2009 just much more athletic.

You didn't say he reminded you of, you said he IS in 2009 Kobe mode, and that he is a Kobe wannabe. That is not reminding.


2. I posted the series stats as well but because you are so quick to try and show how smart you are ..you ignored that one.

I am not even exactly sure why I should comment on that. I never said a thing about Westbrook < Durant before that.


3. A PG with a high usage rate has more turnovers than a SF? Shocking

But it is.


4. I am not confusing anything my original point was Russ was the MVP or the playoffs and he reminded me of Kobe in 2009. you had an issue with the comparison ... I gave you the reason why but rather than focus on my original post you sidetracked in to a Kobe debate as you are want to do. I showed you proof that National writers,a local writer Russ, Kobe all have made a comparison and then you resorted to the normal bull shit arguments you usually do. :rollin

So your original post was about Russ reminding you of Kobe in 2009 (despite you saying he is in that mode), and that me having an issue with it is not focusing on it? What the hell are you talking about?


5. BTW, you are so full of Shit russ does post up and has a post move when it calls for it. I dont think it looks much like Kobe's tbh ...like how kobe copied MJ but to say he does not shows me you dont know as much about Russ as you are trying to claim.

Russ is a go to the rack player, he is not a post up player at all.


6. Dont try to backtrack now ...you said specifically it wasnt as much about Russ and trying to imply I dont value the role players ... I gave them plenty of credit , I also compared durant to Dirk in 2011 as the role player like Roberson the the ones on that squad ...but you had no FREAKING issue with THOSE comparisons only with a four letter word that starts with "K" that gets you all bent out of shape :toast

Yeah, they are winning because the role players have stepped up. It's not like Westbrook never got into this mode before. He was in this mode all year last year (or was that the one before?), and OKC couldn't even make the playoffs because Durant was hurt and the role players stunk.


7. Dont be obtuse. I didnt say Westbrook was a FMVP, My point is that a #2 (hell Iggy wasnt even that) can be and have proven to be the most valuable to a series win (Parker is debatable) ... doesnt your MVPau prove that in your book? :lol But when I call you out on that or use a more logical analogy then the bullshit one you posted yesterday ... you play dumb and I know you are not. Just blinded by hate. :toast

What analogy did I use that is applicable? It's rich that your analogies are so bad I don't even know what the hell you are talking about, when you said I made the worst analogies.

[Killakobe81]

You didn't say he reminded you of, you said he IS in 2009 Kobe mode, and that he is a Kobe wannabe. That is not reminding.



I am not even exactly sure why I should comment on that. I never said a thing about Westbrook < Durant before that.



But it is.



So your original post was about Russ reminding you of Kobe in 2009 (despite you saying he is in that mode), and that me having an issue with it is not focusing on it? What the hell are you talking about?



Russ is a go to the rack player, he is not a post up player at all.



Yeah, they are winning because the role players have stepped up. It's not like Westbrook never got into this mode before. He was in this mode all year last year (or was that the one before?), and OKC couldn't even make the playoffs because Durant was hurt and the role players stunk.



What analogy did I use that is applicable? It's rich that your analogies are so bad I don't even know what the hell you are talking about, when you said I made the worst analogies.

Seriously, Amb without your favorite whipping boy your arguments are shit. If you were dumb I would feel sorry for you and move on but I know I shouldn't need to spell out that when I say he is in Kobe 2009 mode or say he is the wannabe Kobe that I putting a little extra on the first point and did not mean he was a carbon copy. HE REMINDS me of Kobe. That is is it. Russ is so unique even if Kobe is the one that I see the he really is more of a hybrid of Kobe/Lebron/Iverson just tough to find a close comparison but Kobe is who comes to mind me first.

I am done on that subject so please move on because I already spent more than i planned to on a retired player in a gamethread... if you dont have anything to contribute to the Russ has been more impactful debate or about players in this series please start another thread to discuss the retired player. I made the comparison but I was speaking about the greatness of Russ you of course has to make it about your "favorite player" or try to engage me in dick measuring contest where you will always come up short ... :lol

Kidding. Let's move on cuz I know you, and this will keep going on for days and you are pulling it away from series debates.

So to reset ...

Again i feel Russ has been the BEST player in this series please tell me why you disagree amb?

[Killakobe81]

State needs a epic collapse by OKC tonight or a Cavs like blowout ...
A mediocre win does nothing to change the tone of this series ...

[lebomb]

If OKC can withstand the GSW runs, they will be fine. If they get up by 15, call timeout and cut it back to less than 10. If OKC has a good sized lead, and GSW cut the lead to 6. Call a timeout and try and get it back up to double digits. Basketball is a game of runs and being to withstand them. At least the NBA today.

[Killakobe81]

If OKC can withstand the GSW runs, they will be fine. If they get up by 15, call timeout and cut it back to less than 10. If OKC has a good sized lead, and GSW cut the lead to 6. Call a timeout and try and get it back up to double digits. Basketball is a game of runs and being to withstand them. At least the NBA today.

always been that way but I think the 3 pointer has made stopping runs even more critical ...

[lebomb]

always been that way but I think the 3 pointer has made stopping runs even more critical ...

Probably, but yeah the runs nowadays can be huge. Teams go on 15-0, 18-2, 13-1 runs............ *shrugs*

[ambchang]

Seriously, Amb without your favorite whipping boy your arguments are shit. If you were dumb I would feel sorry for you and move on but I know I shouldn't need to spell out that when I say he is in Kobe 2009 mode or say he is the wannabe Kobe that I putting a little extra on the first point and did not mean he was a carbon copy. HE REMINDS me of Kobe. That is is it. Russ is so unique even if Kobe is the one that I see the he really is more of a hybrid of Kobe/Lebron/Iverson just tough to find a close comparison but Kobe is who comes to mind me first.

I am done on that subject so please move on because I already spent more than i planned to on a retired player in a gamethread... if you dont have anything to contribute to the Russ has been more impactful debate or about players in this series please start another thread to discuss the retired player. I made the comparison but I was speaking about the greatness of Russ you of course has to make it about your "favorite player" or try to engage me in dick measuring contest where you will always come up short ... :lol

Kidding. Let's move on cuz I know you, and this will keep going on for days and you are pulling it away from series debates.

So to reset ...

Again i feel Russ has been the BEST player in this series please tell me why you disagree amb?

So by saying Westbrook is in 2009 Kobe mode, you actually means just that he reminds you of the Kobe in 2009, which to any normal human being cannot be the case. And then it was the issue with my arguments, not with your ability to express your points clearly.

And no surprises Kobe comes to your mind first, you are a Kobe fan, we all know that, so everything reminds you of Kobe. You can see a rock on the ground and it reminds you of Kobe. You can see a dog devouring his food and Kobe immediately springs to mind, thinking "Damn, this dog is chewing up it's food in 2003 Kobe mode"! But mind you, it's just your opinion that it reminds you of it, and you are not drawing any parallels.

As for Russ being more impactful or not, I guess I can agree on that. he's been impactful, but OKC still wouldn't win anything without the role players stepping up, which they have certainly done. I still think Durant is overall the better player, but Westbrook is playing like a man possessed.

[Killakobe81]

So by saying Westbrook is in 2009 Kobe mode, you actually means just that he reminds you of the Kobe in 2009, which to any normal human being cannot be the case. And then it was the issue with my arguments, not with your ability to express your points clearly.

And no surprises Kobe comes to your mind first, you are a Kobe fan, we all know that, You can see a rock on the ground and it reminds you of Kobe. You can see a dog devouring his food and Kobe immediately springs to mind, thinking "Damn, this dog is chewing up it's food in 2003 Kobe mode"! But mind you, it's just your opinion that it reminds you of it, and you are not drawing any parallels.

As for Russ being more impactful or not, I guess I can agree on that. he's been impactful, but OKC still wouldn't win anything without the role players stepping up, which they have certainly done. I still think Durant is overall the better player, but Westbrook is playing like a man possessed.

"One time, I saw this gorilla and it reminded me of Kobe" (well it was just an article I read and I'm not racist, I just thought it was funny so I posted) saying someone else sees Kobe everywhere ... Talk about pot meets kettle ...

again no issue with the other comparisons I made were they all spot on?
where is the diatribe on me comparing Durant to Dirk in 2011?
how about the Mavs bench to OKC's they are also not an EXACT parallel ...

Ok, let me stop ... cuz you will just wind back up ....:bobo

Please move on especially if you are going back in to your well of shitty analogies.
Saying Durant is the overall better player was not my point (but it's debatable). I do think Durant is the clear #1 still. I think Wesbrook still impacts the game in more ways but because Durant is so good at scoring/shooting and has improved on defense I would lean Durant if I could only take one. None of that changes my original point.

The question was who was more impactful, you agreed, so thank you for answering ... even if I had to wade through more childish bullshit to get it.

[hater]

Eliancito and co will come pit guns blazing. They will be energized by the faggots in attendance. But if OKC can stay in the game, not get into foul trouble. They should be fine and will be a clos game

[hater]

But if okc foes some mental mistakes and dumb fouls. This could be an epic beatdown

[Splits]

hater with all his bases covered now, except the "Eliancito gonna go supernova in the WCF"

[hater]

hater with all his bases covered now, except the "Eliancito gonna go supernova in the WCF"

He was going to vs Spurs. But we fucked it up :lol

I called Warriors to win this series before it started btw and sticking to my prediction. Always do. But rooting for OKC to pull off the miracle :cry

[ambchang]

"One time, I saw this gorilla and it reminded me of Kobe" (well it was just an article I read and I'm not racist, I just thought it was funny so I posted) saying someone else sees Kobe everywhere ... Talk about pot meets kettle ...

Again, you absolutely misinterpreted what was said. It was about a demographic that appreciated the beauty of a gorilla also appreciating Kobe. it was an observation, and it's more about the demographic than Kobe, but it just flew over your head.


again no issue with the other comparisons I made were they all spot on?
where is the diatribe on me comparing Durant to Dirk in 2011?
how about the Mavs bench to OKC's they are also not an EXACT parallel ...

I didn't say EXACT parallel, I said some parallel, and I do see those.

Durant is a shooting PF who is stretching the floor and nailing shots consistently at a high rate. I don't see him being nearly as clutch or as offensively dominant as 2011 Dirk, but I do see the parallels.

The Mavs and OKC bench I misread as role players, and I do see parallels in how they stepped up, nailing 3 pointers at a high rate and defending the rim with gusto. I have no issues with those.


Ok, let me stop ... cuz you will just wind back up ....:bobo

Please move on especially if you are going back in to your well of shitty analogies.
Saying Durant is the overall better player was not my point (but it's debatable). I do think Durant is the clear #1 still. I think Wesbrook still impacts the game in more ways but because Durant is so good at scoring/shooting and has improved on defense I would lean Durant if I could only take one. None of that changes my original point.

The question was who was more impactful, you agreed, so thank you for answering ... even if I had to wade through more childish bullshit to get it.

I never even said I disagreed, it's you insisting that I disagree.

[Killakobe81]

Again, you absolutely misinterpreted what was said. It was about a demographic that appreciated the beauty of a gorilla also appreciating Kobe. it was an observation, and it's more about the demographic than Kobe, but it just flew over your head.



I didn't say EXACT parallel, I said some parallel, and I do see those.

Durant is a shooting PF who is stretching the floor and nailing shots consistently at a high rate. I don't see him being nearly as clutch or as offensively dominant as 2011 Dirk, but I do see the parallels.

The Mavs and OKC bench I misread as role players, and I do see parallels in how they stepped up, nailing 3 pointers at a high rate and defending the rim with gusto. I have no issues with those.



I never even said I disagreed, it's you insisting that I disagree.

"You fail me yet again, Starscream" - Megatron from the comics movies etc.
But let's just move on ...
Make a prediction on tonight's game. Amb.

[ambchang]

"You fail me yet again, Starscream" - Megatron from the comics movies etc.
But let's just move on ...
Make a prediction on tonight's game. Amb.

I expect GSW to win by the hair with some controversial calls in Q4, along with a 20FTA difference between the two teams, with GSW getting the benefits.

I am not trying to be smartass, I really really expect that.

[Killakobe81]

I expect GSW to win by the hair with some controversial calls in Q4, along with a 20FTA difference between the two teams, with GSW getting the benefits.

I am not trying to be smartass, I really really expect that.

I expect a close game too.
Not sure If I should trust 73 games to say the Dubs will find a way to win a close game ...
Or what my eyes are telling me is that the Dubs appear done without A cavs from last night like first half explosion ...

[ambchang]

I expect a close game too.
Not sure If I should trust 73 games to say the Dubs will find a way to win a close game ...
Or what my eyes are telling me is that the Dubs appear done without A cavs from last night like first half explosion ...

GSW are clearly shook, and they are really bothered by the length of OKC. That's why I said the role players have a huge role. Guys like Adams, Ibaka and kanter are just roughing them up, and GSW can't get a rebound to save their lives it seems. Not sure what is wrong with Curry, but I am surprised he was this easily intimidated. If he goes supernova for 3 straight games, then GSW will certainly have a chance to win this series, but Curry seems to be bothered for whatever reason.

[Splits]

:lmao Los Angeles Warriors


Kobe Bryant reaches out to Draymond Green after Game 4 loss

Kobe Bryant (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3118/) may be out of basketball, but he’s still plugged into the game.

The recently retired former Lakers star texted Golden State Warriors (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/) forward Draymond Green (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5069/) following his team's Game 4 loss to the Oklahoma city Thunder (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/okc/) in an attempt to challenge him.

“If making history was easy, why bother?” Green said Bryant texted him after Game 4.

[LkrFan]

What time is game 6 tbh?

[ducks]

not going to be a game 6

[baseline bum]

Bogut has been really disappointing this series. I know he's not 100%, but his job is to rebound and set hard screens, it's not like they're dumping the ball to him on the block every possession or anything.

[KimmyGib]

Barbosa gonna get minutes tonight and have the game of his life

[Spurs9]

Warriors strategy for this game to chuck 3s?

[Spurs9]

:lmao warriorrefz

[lefty]

OKC coasting

Onto game 6

[InRareForm]

Lol refs

[D-Wade]

Adams taken out of the game very quickly... Drayflop still kicking his legs out smh

[RsxPiimp]

Yep it's gonna be a fix kinda game

[Canyonero]

No way OKC win this game, they should be already planning game 6.

[Spurs9]

Yep it's gonna be a fix kinda game

It def feels that way, Snowden needs to leak some of the Silver fix emails to the refs

[hitmanyr2k]

GS needed a way better start than they got. OKC should be feeling good they're this close so far.

[InRareForm]

Lol nba loves draymond.

[RsxPiimp]

It def feels that way, Snowden needs to leak some of the Silver fix emails to the refs

Yeah they're not even being subtle with this,. It's wwe level :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

If there's one thing that makes me sick is when a player is dribbling within 5 feet of a secondary defender and turns his back with the dribble and the defender doesn't go for the steal.

[Killakobe81]

I dont think its fixed its just like the lakers avoiding celts in 2008 winning at Staples. It was clear who the better team was but Lakers won game 5 and the Celts stomped a mudhole in our ass in game 6 ...i dont care who wins but i would love a game 7 in both
Conference Finals

[Spurs9]

I bet green picks up a flagrant this game.

[hitmanyr2k]

THat's no foul lol. That's Durant doing a stupid pussy ass rip-thru on a layup attempt instead of trying to make the damn shot :lol

[Killakobe81]

Bad shot selection by Klay
Bad turnover by Steph

[spursistan]

:lmao warriorrefz

[Killakobe81]

Another bad shot by Steph and Klay

[Spurs9]

Im so sick of this 3 chucking constantly

[RsxPiimp]

I dont think its fixed its just like the lakers avoiding celts in 2008 winning at Staples. It was clear who the better team was but Lakers won game 5 and the Celts stomped a mudhole in our ass in game 6 ...i dont care who wins but i would love a game 7 in both
Conference Finals

Eh, its a business after all. Unless the other team is waving the white flag, the referees can dictate the outcome of the game rather easily...

[spursistan]

slap early fouls on a key player of the opponent is one of the most disgusting league series-extending tricks..

[hitmanyr2k]

Im so sick of this 3 chucking constantly

I've been sick of the 3 point chucker ball era for awhile now. NBA games are basically 3 point shooting contests now.

[hater]

Where's GOAT Adams???

Without him there is no hope whatsoever for this team

[spursistan]

Where's GOAT Adams???

Without him there is no hope whatsoever for this team

fix is in, bro :lol

[RD2191]

Curry takes such stupid shots. What a scrub.

[oh crap]

lol at these fucking calls

[hater]

fix is in, bro :lol

Is he out???? :lmao what a joke this league is. Why is he out. Clearly without him OKC is getting assrammed.


I'm turning this shit off niggas

[hitmanyr2k]

Westbrook out of control on his drive. Where have I seen that before? :lol

[spursistan]

Is he out???? :lmao what a joke this league is. Why is he out. Clearly without him OKC is getting assrammed.


I'm turning this shit off niggas

2 fouls in first 2 minutes :lol

[hater]

Goodnite nggas

[RsxPiimp]

Taking Adams is out is net 7 on GS. It's not enough to win the game but good to give these Warriors a great head start, smh...

[hater]

:lol everything is a foul now :lol

Goodnite homies

[Budkin]

The Warriors are great for the league. 73 wins.

[Spurs9]

This reffing is sickening

[whitemamba]

Lol 7 fouls on OKC , 0 on the Warriors.....

[hitmanyr2k]

Durant flailed for that call :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Roberson = 2009 Ariza:lol

[Spurs9]

7 fouls to 1 they finally call :lmao

[oh crap]

lol at the overly blatant ref job and still only being down 4

[Kawhitstorm]

Durant flailed for that call :lol

That won't work against LeBrawn

[Spurs9]

Thunder will win this sons.

[InRareForm]

Okc has to feel good getting hosed by refs and only down 4

[whitemamba]

NBA really wants a game 6 and 7 tbh..

[hater]

Thunder will win this sons.

Ma nigah

[spursistan]

crolf only down 4 after the blatant ref screwjob ..

[Kawhitstorm]

If there's one thing that makes me sick is when a player is dribbling within 5 feet of a secondary defender and turns his back with the dribble and the defender doesn't go for the steal.

WestBrick ALWAYS goes for the blindside steal::lol

[hitmanyr2k]

That won't work against LeBrawn

Exactly, which is why I think the Cavs will murder OKC if they make it to the Finals.

[baseline bum]

Golden State is in trouble. OKC plays a lousy first quarter and all the Warriors can do is take a 4 point lead into the second? It ain't gonna hold up, OKC wins this by 15.

[RsxPiimp]

8 vs 5 along with a bogus amount of calls favoring GS and the Warriors are only up by 4...more reason to believe WCF is the last stop of their magical season

[timtonymanu]

Down 4 only to Warriorefs. They should be up much more.

[Killakobe81]

Golden State is in trouble. OKC plays a lousy first quarter and all the Warriors can do is take a 4 point lead into the second? It ain't gonna hold up, OKC wins this by 15.

I think they may win but not by 15 ...
Durant reeled State back in ...

[hater]

Durant is a lethal mofo. He gets hot and its ova

[hater]

Kanter reminds me of Divac fucking tricky mofo

[hitmanyr2k]

I can't stand Livingston's old man fro. He's a couple of inches from having the George Jefferson look.

[hitmanyr2k]

Uh oh. OKC roleplayers are showing up on the road.

[RD2191]

Lol. Fuck off molehead

[Killakobe81]

Durant is a lethal mofo. He gets hot and its ova

Russ may have the numbers in the first few games ...
Tonight its Durant

[Keepin' it real]

I can't stand Livingston's old man fro. He's a couple of inches from having the George Jefferson look.

And Kanter is Mr. Bentley.

[hater]

Lol chimp

[Spurs 4 The Win]

THESE REFS :lol

[hater]

:lmao morrow got damns

[hitmanyr2k]

And Kanter is Mr. Bentley.

:lol

[RD2191]

Lol. GS shook.

[lefty]

dwt long 3

[hater]

Okc on a mission from The Lord. Wow

[StrengthAndHonor]

8 vs 5 along with a bogus amount of calls favoring GS and the Warriors are only up by 4...more reason to believe WCF is the last stop of their magical season

It is amazing, midway this year no one really expected a team like OKC could put them to the test...

[lefty]

Steve Kermit trying to look like a coach by calling a timeout

[Reck]

Did I just see some niggas already crying on the Warriors bench? :lol

[Spurs9]

Did they greese Durrants shoes?

[Stalin]

Morrow with nice three.

[spursreport]

The Warriors are still winning. They are fine.

[hater]

Shits gonna get real when worriers realize its an elimination game and they not up double digits :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

I can't stand Livingston's old man fro. He's a couple of inches from having the George Jefferson look.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1084717/Shaun_Livingston_1.jpg

[spursistan]

Gotta finish this shit here OKC..Warriors are definition of "shook"..

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Thunder getting assfucked by the refs and only down 1

[~O~]

Thunder should be able to win this game. They are hitting critical shots and are completely unfazed.

[baseline bum]

Morrow just killing out there. OKC is ending this shit tonight.

[D-Wade]

Shits gonna get real when worriers realize its an elimination game and they not up double digits :lol

Yep... all OKC has to do is keep it close

Morrow is showing up big now

[Robz4000]

:lol all this Dubreffing and it's only a one point game

[RD2191]

Lol. Fuck off molehead

[Robz4000]

Speights showing up tho

[hater]

Wow Westbrook playing like shit