Spurs Select G Derrick White in the 2017 NBA Draft (29th Overall)

[DPG21920]

You don't have to go back to many threads to see that people here always react this way to draft picks. Go back to the Kawhi thread.

Draft picks are always wait and see. Maybe it works, maybe not, but people acting like this is a disaster are just stupid.

This is true. I think new age ST though has shifted from judging the player though more to assessing team need/fit. I think everyone for the most part hopes the guy is good and aren't really judging that. More just talking about a general prototype that the team needs in context of other moves that have been discussed.

[GSH]

Well, a bunch of people said that the Spurs were going to draft a White guy.

[Keepin' it real]

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Makes you wonder why he didn't go #1 overall ...

[Spur|n|Austin]

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:lol

[tholdren]

This is true. I think new age ST though has shifted from judging the player though more to assessing team need/fit. I think everyone for the most part hopes the guy is good and aren't really judging that. More just talking about a general prototype that the team needs in context of other moves that have been discussed.

Combine that with the fact only a handful of people on here watch enough college bb to have a clue

[TheDoctor]

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[Pavlov]

You saying the dude's already in his prime?!? :lolHow does his vertical compare to this year class?

[GSH]

Makes you wonder why he didn't go #1 overall ...


Stats from online colleges don't mean as much.

[TheGreatYacht]

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MY FAVORITE ONE.... :lmao....
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[Play Boban]

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You mean he's headed to the D League tbh?

[tholdren]

Makes you wonder why he didn't go #1 overall ...

The number 1 pick of the draft is a pg who cant dictate pace. Nba keeps getting dumber

[MannyIsGod]

This is true. I think new age ST though has shifted from judging the player though more to assessing team need/fit. I think everyone for the most part hopes the guy is good and aren't really judging that. More just talking about a general prototype that the team needs in context of other moves that have been discussed.

The FO is about to make a shit ton of moves with the new LMA news. We may have a lot of guards now, but we may not in a few days. I wouldn't be shocked if Murray is gone at some point too.

[DPG21920]

The FO is about to make a shit ton of moves with the new LMA news. We may have a lot of guards now, but we may not in a few days. I wouldn't be shocked if Murray is gone at some point too.

True - my first thought was "more mature guard ready to play now in the event Manu/Danny/Mills/Simmons go"

[DAF86]

Screenshot this before he deletes it :lmao

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:lol Dumb motherfucker. Same shit with Simmons a few years back. These dumbasses trying to make it to the league should restrain themselves from posting anything bad about any NBA team.

[Capt Bringdown]

Apparently the Spurs have too much speed on their roster, and this pick will help sloooow things down.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not gonna plump this guy up, but if he was 21 instead of going on 23 he'd be picked 10 spots earlier at least. Same with Murray last year -- I still don't get why Dejounte fell the way he did. With White it's clear -- the dude's old for a rookie. But most of the guys drafted before him will never, ever pan out.

[GSH]

How does his vertical compare to this year class?


His numbers are bizarre. His no-step vert is 34.5", which is decent. His max vert, strangely, is only 1 inch more. In Portsmouth, his no-step was 34". The really weird thing is that his standing reach was 8'5 1/2" at the combine, but only 8'2 1/2" in Portsmouth.


I understand having a bad day, and not jumping as high. But how in the hell does your standing reach measure that differently?

[Capt Bringdown]

Bring me some edibles, Derrick!

[NASpurs]

Is there a wide lens good enough to cover the kilometers of forehead for when the team photo is taken? The team photographer has his work cut out for him next season.

[Nathan89]

Apparently the Spurs have too much speed on their roster, and this pick will help sloooow things down.

He's not a terrible athlete.

[Ron Swanson]

Bring me some edibles, Derrick!


:lol

[GSH]

New Spurs always need a nickname. I'm going on record with "The Tongue". And while you're looking at the pic, stare at it a minute and tell me if it looks like his face got Photoshopped onto someone else's head. I swear, the front side of his head doesn't match the back side.


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[Spurs 4 The Win]

Screenshot this before he deletes it :lmao

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With no context on this tweet, I am guessing he predicted the Lakers would beat us and he was getting shit after we swept them

[NASpurs]

New Spurs always need a nickname. I'm going on record with "The Tongue". And while you're looking at the pic, stare at it a minute and tell me if it looks like his face got Photoshopped onto someone else's head. I swear, the front side of his head doesn't match the back side.


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Mini Fathead has been established.

[dabom]

Mini Fathead has been established.

[Russ]

He'd probably rather be called Fathead than SloMo.

[TheDoctor]

His numbers are bizarre. His no-step vert is 34.5", which is decent. His max vert, strangely, is only 1 inch more. In Portsmouth, his no-step was 34". The really weird thing is that his standing reach was 8'5 1/2" at the combine, but only 8'2 1/2" in Portsmouth.


I understand having a bad day, and not jumping as high. But how in the hell does your standing reach measure that differently?

How they processed his combine stats:
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[Dverde]

Be fun to see the player find out about Spurstalk. How there are churches or shrines for them and how much we shit on them. "What is a fathead?"

[ace3g]

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[Pavlov]

How they processed his combine stats:
https://workingwellresources.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/wwm-fwf-gc-side-view-cropped.gifBut how his vertical compare to this year class?

[Dverde]

New Spurs always need a nickname. I'm going on record with "The Tongue". And while you're looking at the pic, stare at it a minute and tell me if it looks like his face got Photoshopped onto someone else's head. I swear, the front side of his head doesn't match the back side.


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Going to need a new number

[Mr. Body]

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Looks like he wanted the call to be over so he could go back to Candy Crush.

[cd98]

Well given his age, he should play immediately. He's practically a veteran.

[Dverde]

New Spurs always need a nickname. I'm going on record with "The Tongue". And while you're looking at the pic, stare at it a minute and tell me if it looks like his face got Photoshopped onto someone else's head. I swear, the front side of his head doesn't match the back side.


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Going to need a new number

[Snaq O'Meal]

His numbers are bizarre. His no-step vert is 34.5", which is decent. His max vert, strangely, is only 1 inch more. In Portsmouth, his no-step was 34". The really weird thing is that his standing reach was 8'5 1/2" at the combine, but only 8'2 1/2" in Portsmouth.


I understand having a bad day, and not jumping as high. But how in the hell does your standing reach measure that differently?

Just don't stretch too much when reaching. By suppressing your reach, you immediately improve your vertical when they do the calculations.

[intlspurshk]

It really looks like he wants to end the call with Pop as soon as possible. I hope FO is right but he doesn't look like a Pop's player by all means

[TheDoctor]

Looks like he wanted the call to be over so he could go back to Candy Crush.
Agreed. Don't know if the tears came from listening to Pop say "Listen to me big boy, you made it. You're in the NBA now. But first, why is Pluto no longer a Planet?"

DW - :huh

:pop: - Doghouse.

[Chinook]

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But thanks to his tweets, we don't know why he was crying.

[dbestpro]

He is going to be groomed as a SG with some backup chops as PG aka Manu.

[Mnky]

I'm not gonna plump this guy up, but if he was 21 instead of going on 23 he'd be picked 10 spots earlier at least. Same with Murray last year -- I still don't get why Dejounte fell the way he did. With White it's clear -- the dude's old for a rookie. But most of the guys drafted before him will never, ever pan out.

Murray Had basically no shot, because he could walk to the rim at will and it never developed. He left early, with the now #1 pick coming in. He was a big question mark in body weight, shot, turnover issues etc. There wasn't enough tape on the kid to know if he was trending good or bad in a system that relied on running and lobs, there wasn't much evidence for setting up plays either.

[Solid D]

Maybe Pop started talking politics with him.

[palangi]

He is going to be groomed as a SG with some backup chops as PG aka Manu.

I was thinking this same thing

[cjw]

23 lol

He turns 23 in a few weeks. Let's not act like he's Brandon Weeden getting drafted in his late 20s

[Mr. Body]

Murray Had basically no shot, because he could walk to the rim at will and it never developed. He left early, with the now #1 pick coming in. He was a big question mark in body weight, shot, turnover issues etc. There wasn't enough tape on the kid to know if he was trending good or bad in a system that relied on running and lobs, there wasn't much evidence for setting up plays either.

You're not telling me anything I don't know. I still don't know why he dropped past players with similar glaring flaws.

[Nathan89]

Great pick. Some spurstalk posters were emotionally invested into a lesser prospect than Kyle Anderson though.

[Nathan89]

The rookie of the year last year was older than White.

[Snaq O'Meal]

But thanks to his tweets, we don't know why he was crying.

Poop probably got nasty with him on some of his older tweets.

[Ditty]

I really like the pick now reviewing his tape.

Seems like he fits in what the Spurs like to do offensively, especially in the pick n roll.

How he fades away sometimes on his jump shot kind of bothers me, but it is fixable.

He doesn't have gifted talent like Murray did last year, and some of the lottery prospects but he is a BASKETBALL player.

Murray seemed to force things in college, which White seems to do also. Murray in my opinion improved in that aspect this season a bit.

Yeah he is about to be 23 kind of sucks. Oh well, he's not a player that relies on a lot of athleticism anyways.

The thing that intrigues me is that he is late bloomer, and they think his body is still developing to get taller, and his athleticism keeps improving.

Yeah I preferred Bell, Bolden, or Jackson at that pick but I'm not very disappointed looking at him now.

[cjw]

Great pick. Some spurstalk posters were emotionally invested into a lesser prospect than Kyle Anderson though.

People forget that George Hill was less than a year younger than White when drafted. Played at a mid-major and not Pac 12 (the dude was first team all conference - other guards were the 1/2 picks in the draft plus the UCLA coach's son).

If he were a freak athlete he wouldn't have been available at 29. Many freak athletes at 29 never become anything.

Best part about this pick means it's unlikely they'll burn money on Mills this offseason. Let some other team pay him

To those who wanted Bell ... yes, would have been nice had someone other than GS grabbed him and their embarrassment of riches. But not sure if he contributes more than Dedmon did.

[DPG21920]

What's crazy is he's another major shot blocking guard - sound like someone who's leaving opens the door for that skillset ?

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[SnakeBoy]

Maybe Pop started talking politics with him.

He wasn't saying much, just uh huh & yes sir. It was probably drunk Pop bitching about the Senate healthcare plan.

[eDizzle20]

White has great size for a point guard and can also play off the ball. Despite being 23 he excelled in his only year of division 1 ball. He can shoot the 3 and seems to be a heady player. Not even close to Slowmo's lack of athleticism either.

[Nathan89]

What's crazy is he's another major shot blocking guard - sound like someone who's leaving opens the door for that skillset ?

878101901417435137:wow Steal of the draft.

[Nathan89]

Best part about this pick means it's unlikely they'll burn money on Mills this offseason. Let some other team pay him



I think he's great pick period but this makes the pick even better. Paying Patty would be a huge waste of money so anything that helps avoid that is great.

[TheGreatYacht]

He was saying much, just uh huh & yes sir. It was probably drunk Pop bitching about the Senate healthcare plan.
:lmao....

[Darius Bieber]

Yeah, I can see this become James Anderson 2.0 tbh. Yet another non-eventive Spurs draft.

[99 Problems]

Stats from online colleges don't mean as much.

:lol

[SAGirl]

The resemblance is uncanny. Our resident Kyle Anderson lover is flicking the bean as we speak.
No thanks.

[Ditty]

A few Mavs & Rockets fans who have seen him play, seemed pretty upset that we drafted him fwiw.

[SAGirl]

Well, just another hint Patty is gone.
He gone....
Forbes needs to do better too. He can't be shooting so poorly.

[rastaspur]

No thanks.

:lol

[SAGirl]

If we're all lucky Anderson will be dumped for a second rounder.

I don't like the thought of seeing him and White on the floor at the same time.

You just know they'll trap each other in an unstable orbit, circling ever faster until Anderson's tidally locked cranium crashes into White's.
:lol
He's about to play more next season TBH :rolleyes

[SAGirl]

Spurs are light years ahead of the rest of the league. Small ball? We're gonna resign Patty and roll out Micro Ball.
:lmao

[playbonner15]

Fathead 2.0 :lol

[SAGirl]

But gotta get rid of Green instead of Tony. You can't possibly tell me that an injured third PG is less important than a starting two-guard.
You have all the right to be sour...

[SAGirl]

I don't know about him enough to judge him as a player but Im just saying Spurs need bigs/wings and versatile defenders.
I really didn't prepare for this draft and was spectating this time. Not blown away, not one of the guys hyped up here ... everyone talked bigs so I didn't even know this guy. Everyone Saud it wasn't a great draft class for guards at Spurs slot, that bigs was where it was at etc... so I don't know him AT all

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I can see this become James Anderson 2.0 tbh. Yet another non-eventive Spurs draft.
james anderson was actually an exciting pick though, he just didn't pan out

[TheGreatYacht]

Buford knows he can do no wrong. If it doesn't pan out for White, his resident slurpers will tell us you can't always draft a gem with a late first round pick and the vanilla media will mention Parker (Presti's pick) & Leonard (wanted Valenciunas instead) to prop up his overrated drafting skills and will completely ignore the 10+ duds

[SAGirl]

Combo guard covers patty and possibly Danny trade absence most NBA ready combo guard left long decent athleticism solid shooter although not a quick release and nice floater in the paint against bigger defenders strong character buffer pick imo if we have to gut the roster for cap space for a top 3 guy... plays solid perimeter d w length and is fantastic jumping passing lanes ... watch a lot of U of A basketball and a lot of pac12 hoops just my take no guarantee just think speaks more to them saying patty is gone and hoping to trade Danny to free up space
Thanks for sharing honest opinion.
Roleplayer who bc of age and development will work hard and is mature for a rookie. Patty is most definitely gone and I think they aren't sure Forbes will translate his shooting to the NBA. Still a question mark despite his much hyped shooting. Increases competition among those guys too.

[SAGirl]

Sa girl might be having dirty thoughts with the fathead twins. Thoughts of being their Chinese fingercuff running in the head.

I'm kidding of course.
That's disgusting TBH lol

[tbdog]

My mate is a magic fan he was high on him.

[SAGirl]

Agreed. Don't know if the tears came from listening to Pop say "Listen to me big boy, you made it. You're in the NBA now. But first, why is Pluto no longer a Planet?"

DW - :huh

:pop: - Doghouse.
:lmao

[Uriel]

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[phxspurfan]

So he's our LDN replacement I see

[DrSteffo]

He is kind of what you expect from a late first rounder. Certainly not a great steal like Parker o Splitter. Should be better than Kyle Anderson though if he isn't totally lazy an only in for the money.

[100%duncan]

Meh, hard to get excited or disgusted with any draft picks tbh. I'll wait and see

[100%duncan]

Looks like an SG type of player tbh so it doesn't mess with Murray's growth and, yeah Green might really be gone.

[Nathan89]

Meh, hard to get excited or disgusted with any draft picks tbh. I'll wait and see

Hard for me not to get excited for a draft pick. As long as it's not a stash or just a slow big like Swanigan then it's exciting.

[100%duncan]

Hard for me not to get excited for a draft pick. As long as it's not a stash or just a slow big like Swanigan then it's exciting.

First impressions

Wright: Sweet stroke, long wingspan, will play the 2
Blossom: Athletic, can be a matchup advantage at the 3

Doubt either will be as bad as fathead tbh

[benefactor]

james anderson was actually an exciting pick though, he just didn't pan out
He's was on track to be a rotation player before the injury tbh

[szkorhetz]

He's was on track to be a rotation player before the injury tbh

[cutewizard]

Was Deonte Burton taken???

[Seventyniner]

I really didn't prepare for this draft and was spectating this time. Not blown away, not one of the guys hyped up here ... everyone talked bigs so I didn't even know this guy. Everyone Saud it wasn't a great draft class for guards at Spurs slot, that bigs was where it was at etc... so I don't know him AT all

what an autocorrect

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Ringer Jonathan Tjark's take and grade on White


29. San Antonio Spurs: Derrick White, PG, Colorado
The Spurs did it again. White is a 6-foot-5 combo guard without any holes in his game besides a lack of elite athleticism, and his basketball IQ and shooting ability will make him a perfect fit in San Antonio. His path to playing time next season will depend on what happens to Jonathon Simmons and Patty Mills in free agency, and how much their longtime vets Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker have left in the tank. In any case, he should be a nice long-term complement to Dejounte Murray on the perimeter. If there’s a Malcolm Brogdon in this year’s draft, it’s White.
Value: A
Fit: A

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Bleacher Report grade on White

Brace yourselves. This is shocking.

The San Antonio Spurs made a smart pick at the tail end of the first round. In other news: Grass is green, water is wet and the Golden State Warriors are probably going to be competitive in 2017-18.

Kudos to the NBA's model organization for hedging its bets as Tony Parker recovers from a season-ending quad injury, Manu Ginobili flirts with retirement and Patty Mills hits unrestricted free agency. They're not willing to rely on Dejounte Murray alone, nor are they content counting on a big free-agency signing. Instead, they're drafting a high-upside point guard in Derrick White who has enough shooting and passing skills to capably run an offense.

If White is a bust after just one season of top-level NCAA basketball, it won't hurt the Spurs too dramatically. But if he pans out? Well, he probably will, because Spurs.

Grade A-

[poop]

He kind of looks like Anderson and Mills got merged in the transporter during beam up.
Lmao

[Chinook]

The idea that White is still growing into his body at 23 and may have untapped athletic potential is crazy.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The guy is basically Marco Belinelli but not as much of a defensive liability. I don't see what y'all are complaining about.

[Mr. Body]

I like the pick. Especially how shitty this draft was overall, I could see him move up the ranks overall. I mean, this draft was trash and there were a lot of trash players selected.

[duncan2150]

I like the pick. Especially how shitty this draft was overall, I could see him move up the ranks overall. I mean, this draft was trash and there were a lot of trash players selected.

I agree, we'll see how he will develop. He's just a 29 pick, i don't understand people crying about this selection and saying Bell was a steal or we have to take Hart ( all have some flaws). They are projects now....

[LaMarcus Bryant]

My only issue is his size and athleticism.
I like Murray bc he's lanky and helps us against warriors, thunder, etc. Young Bogans types won't help

[BatManu20]

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[TheDoctor]

Stats from online colleges don't mean as much.
LMAOOOO :lmao

[duncan2150]

My only issue is his size and athleticism.
I like Murray bc he's lanky and helps us against warriors, thunder, etc. Young Bogans types won't help

i think you're right about athleticism, he is not unathletic but it could be a concern, his size is not bad at 6'5 but he needs to add some muscles.

[Dverde]

The only big we have on contract or not on the trading block is Bertrans...They pick two guards. This does not seem like an "A" level pick. It only might be good if it keeps Murray motivated. Pop will sign a vet to play while parker out. This kid only play d league and garbage time.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

i think you're right about athleticism, he is not unathletic but it could be a concern, his size is not bad as 6'5 but he needs to add some muscles.

In today's nba 6 foot 5 doesn't cut it for SG minutes imo

[BatManu20]

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[dbestpro]

RC said that White is not really a PG, and that they feel they can make him much better defensively. I don't think he is here so much as to replace Patty, but rather insurance against a Manu retirement and or as a future replacement for Green. The future could come as soon as this off season.

[BatManu20]

Good read. :tu

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[BatManu20]

Found this excerpt from the above article particularly interesting:

The most anomalous aspect of White’s defensive profile is his ability to block shots. He had the same block rate (4.9 percent) as Bam Adebayo, a power forward projected to go in the first round in this year’s draft, and he blocked more shots per-40 minutes than traditional center prospects like Tony Bradley and Ivan Rabb. Most of his blocks came on the ball, when he timed his contest perfectly and surprised the man he was guarding with his length. V.J. Beachem, a 6-foot-8 swingman from Notre Dame projected to go in the second round in this year’s draft, can rise up and shoot over the top of most NCAA defenders. When he tried that against White, he got his shot sent back at him: “Shot-blocking is all about timing. The key is just getting yourself in the right position,” White told me.

[raybies]

RC said that White is not really a PG, and that they feel they can make him much better defensively. I don't think he is here so much as to replace Patty, but rather insurance against a Manu retirement and or as a future replacement for Green. The future could come as soon as this off season.
Yup he was pretty much a swiss army knife guard... insurance for Patty, Manu, Green and Simmons..

[duncan2150]

Good read. :tu

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Thanks for sharing, good article.

[jyra]

Found this excerpt from the above article particularly interesting:

The most anomalous aspect of White’s defensive profile is his ability to block shots. He had the same block rate (4.9 percent) as Bam Adebayo, a power forward projected to go in the first round in this year’s draft, and he blocked more shots per-40 minutes than traditional center prospects like Tony Bradley and Ivan Rabb. Most of his blocks came on the ball, when he timed his contest perfectly and surprised the man he was guarding with his length. V.J. Beachem, a 6-foot-8 swingman from Notre Dame projected to go in the second round in this year’s draft, can rise up and shoot over the top of most NCAA defenders. When he tried that against White, he got his shot sent back at him: “Shot-blocking is all about timing. The key is just getting yourself in the right position,” White told me.

I'm not sure how well that kind of shot blocking can translate to the NBA level. His wingspan is quite a bit shorter compared to Danny Green, 6-7 1/2 vs. 6-10.

[Dverde]

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In Tad we trust

[BatManu20]

:lol

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[$pursDynasty]

I pray he pans out but I no zero about him and his write up isn't awe inspiring, I was hoping the Spurs might go with the South Carolina SG Sindarius Thornwell, I saw him a good bit last year, and saw him will his team that has never been much to the Final Four but ah well.

[BatManu20]

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[Chinook]

Sean's heading their domestic scouting department.

[duncan2150]

Something interesting from DX :

Colorado Guard Derrick White posted the second best three-quarter sprint time at 3.08 (97th percentile historically) and tied for the third best standing vertical leap at 35.5 (99th percentile historically). The D2 transfer combo guard was a rather unheralded prospect until this season. White measured 6'4.5 with shoes with a 6'7.5 wingspan which is very similar to the physical measurements of Chicago Bulls guard Jerian Grant, but his athletic testing results are very similar to those of Mike Conley's. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-combine-athletic-testing-analysis-5930/

[BatManu20]

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[still.focused]

Dont like this pick
Doesnt even make sense to me even though the kid can play
Unless however theyre dead set on moving Green & giving Simmons the 2
Then it makes sense even if I dont agree or like it
I preferred Ojeleye
Shit spoil me & trade Green to BOS for him

[sasaint]

I pray he pans out but I no zero about him and his write up isn't awe inspiring, I was hoping the Spurs might go with the South Carolina SG Sindarius Thornwell, I saw him a good bit last year, and saw him will his team that has never been much to the Final Four but ah well.

I loved Thornwell's heart, determination, grit, toughness and on-court leadership. He is exactly the kind of player every college coach loves. But I have doubts that those traits will get him very far in the NBA. He doesn't seem very quick or fast or have a great shot - kind of middling athleticism and no outstanding basketball skill. You hit the nail on the head - his game is one of will.

[Drom John]

Going to need a new number

Easy fix, just switch the digits.

[BatManu20]

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[rjv]

truthfully, i really can't evaluate this trade until free agency comes to an end.

[Uriel]

I'm starting to warm up to this pick. With Green and Simmons likely gone in free agency, this team needs to stockpile as many guards as it can and White certainly helps fill that void.

Moreover, the fact that this kid is said to have a high upside and that virtually every website grades this pick as an A or A- means there might be something to him that most of us missed.

[Nathan89]

I'm not sure how well that kind of shot blocking can translate to the NBA level. His wingspan is quite a bit shorter compared to Danny Green, 6-7 1/2 vs. 6-10.

His standing reach is only 1.5 inches less than Danny Green and he has a 6.5 inch greater not step vertical.

[cd021]

Like the pick a bit more now that I am more familiar with his game.

still hope that the Spurs move Green to the 76ers for Parsecniks, Bolden, and Lessort. three top 40 (according to DX) prospects in exchange for Green would be great return

[raybies]

Like the pick a bit more now that I am more familiar with his game.

still hope that the Spurs move Green to the 76ers for Parsecniks, Bolden, and Lessort. three top 40 (according to DX) prospects in exchange for Green would be great return
would love that deal man. They need a SG in the worst way and with playmakers like Simmons, Fultz, Saric, and Embiid they could use a 3 and D player

[TimDunkem]

Like the pick a bit more now that I am more familiar with his game.

still hope that the Spurs move Green to the 76ers for Parsecniks, Bolden, and Lessort. three top 40 (according to DX) prospects in exchange for Green would be great return
Would be robbery in the long run. All three of those guys have tons of potential.

Maybe Brown does us a solid. :lol

[Nathan89]

Something interesting from DX :

Colorado Guard Derrick White posted the second best three-quarter sprint time at 3.08 (97th percentile historically) and tied for the third best standing vertical leap at 35.5 (99th percentile historically). The D2 transfer combo guard was a rather unheralded prospect until this season. White measured 6'4.5 with shoes with a 6'7.5 wingspan which is very similar to the physical measurements of Chicago Bulls guard Jerian Grant, but his athletic testing results are very similar to those of Mike Conley's. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-combine-athletic-testing-analysis-5930/

"nonathletic" :lmao

Spurs did it again. :flag:

[DAF86]

Where? What did he say?


Screenshot this before he deletes it :lmao

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MY FAVORITE ONE.... :lmao....
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[ducks]

atleast he knows turnovers kill

[Solid D]

I just don't see what there is not to like about D White.

[benefactor]

Seems like a solid player overall the more I read about him, but I still would have rather seen them take a forward tbh

[Nathan89]

“This chip is going to stay on my shoulder,” White proclaimed. “If I lose it, I’m going to be out of the league quickly. I got plenty of work to do. I’m going to get back in the gym. I gotta get better.”

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/22/derrick-white-nba-draft-spurs/

[Nathan89]

The dude has grit. His journey to where he is now is impressive. I love the pick.

[BatManu20]

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[bic50]

:lol Dumb motherfucker. Same shit with Simmons a few years back. These dumbasses trying to make it to the league should restrain themselves from posting anything bad about any NBA team.
It didn't seem to hurt Simmons much.

[Yuixafun]

That instinct and timing is god given... paired with a great standing vertical, and his technique polished by the Spurs defensive system, seems like his shot blocking will carry over. Intelligence also helps on both sides of the ball. And he has also shown fron his career path, to be someone who overcomes odds, and will give everything he has to succeed. That sort of attitude is contagious and needed for championship teams.

I think Murray needs to be surrounded by those sorts of energies or he could easily get waylaid fron his promise.

I'm not sure, but also a part of Danny Green being jettisoned has been his inconsistent work ethic. I know where he gets his haircut, and that barber shop also has a lot questionable going ons about it.

This pick shows many layers, and gives interesting insight.

[bic50]

:lol

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:lmao

[Nathan89]

Derrick White stats: 68.1% at the rim, 16.7% assisted at the rim, 40% on 3's, 61.4% assisted 3's.

That rim % is phenomenal.

[rjv]

It didn't seem to hurt Simmons much. i don't get it, either. why does a player who hasn't played for the spurs before have to had been a spurs fan prior to coming here?

[rjv]

:lol

878085482802032640 KA and Derrick's first photo op will probably look something like this: https://redshirtdiaries.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/cage-21.jpg

[PingPong]

They drafted another fathead lol


you beat me. :(

[Maddog]

The more I see, the more I like.
29th pick so who knows.

But the shooting, passing, PNR potential with his size....
Allows you to play him with Mills (if he stays) or Forbes,
Or you can in the future have a fun 6-5-6-7 line up of Him, Murray, Simmons and KL...

I try not ot get too excited about draft picks- especially late first rounders...

[TD 21]

Looks like an SG type of player tbh so it doesn't mess with Murray's growth and, yeah Green might really be gone.

They can definitely play some together. White can play off the ball on offense and both have the height/length to defend most SG's, though they need to get stronger obviously.

After I got over the initial confusion and surprise (thought they'd go big), I was thinking this might be related to Green too. Could be that he was just the player they liked most available, of course. But I'd imagine they'll pursue a veteran starting PG and if successful, will be completely overloaded in the back court.

Maybe they just don't want to pay Green his worth on his next contract, especially considering half, if not more, will probably be for his decline years. If they can't land Paul, they'll continue to lack a dynamic guard, in which case they might try to make up for it by committee.

[cd98]

Spurs are trying to move in a direction where guys have multiple skills to play in multiple spots such that there are no positions, only players. In a hypo, Murray and White play together, but neither is a PG or a SG strictly. They are just players.

[Solid D]

I don't think the Spurs can go wrong with him...for a 29th pick in the draft. White scored an above-average 1.07 points per possession, and was the seventh-most-efficient scorer out of all high-major conferences.

[Raven]

meh

[TheDoctor]

:lmao
KA and Derrick's first photo op will probably look something like this: https://redshirtdiaries.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/cage-21.jpg

[testies]

I thought we couldn't do worst than SlowTard.. new low

[Nathan89]

You guys undervalue grit. Grit is what made Jimmy Butler. A player that some of you bring up frequently because Spurs passed on him. Jimmy doesn't even look as good on paper as White.

[raybies]

You guys undervalue grit. Grit is what made Jimmy Butler. A player that some of you bring up frequently because Spurs passed on him. Jimmy doesn't even look as good on paper as White.
Yup. It's what those Marquette players had for awhile... but yeah he's got a better all around game. He's very close to a complete player.

[KDKSpurs24]

You guys undervalue grit. Grit is what made Jimmy Butler. A player that some of you bring up frequently because Spurs passed on him. Jimmy doesn't even look as good on paper as White.
^

[Russ]

KA and Derrick's first photo op will probably look something like this: https://redshirtdiaries.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/cage-21.jpg

It ain't a beauty contest, folks.

[Lostwingman]

Not a bad pick the more I look at it. Hard to do much with the tail end of the first round, easy to piss it away. Hopefully we get to see him put some reps in since he's already 23.

[100%duncan]

They can definitely play some together. White can play off the ball on offense and both have the height/length to defend most SG's, though they need to get stronger obviously.

After I got over the initial confusion and surprise (thought they'd go big), I was thinking this might be related to Green too. Could be that he was just the player they liked most available, of course. But I'd imagine they'll pursue a veteran starting PG and if successful, will be completely overloaded in the back court.

Maybe they just don't want to pay Green his worth on his next contract, especially considering half, if not more, will probably be for his decline years. If they can't land Paul, they'll continue to lack a dynamic guard, in which case they might try to make up for it by committee.

Yeah Id be surprised if we kept danny at this point especially with the qo on jsimms

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpjUrXKw6U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJe7KAG2qvY

[Mikeanaro]

Oh my, the alien invasion is real.

[MaNu4Tres]

His weaknesses are pretty important aspects as a lead guard.

XagBrYioSrw

[SAGirl]

Going to have to get stronger to finish through contact and going to have to play team ball and leave those isos off the dribble in college....

Also not necessarily a lead guard for the Spurs. Kyle was a PG in college and has had to learn to play off the ball. This dude being a better shooter is probably better suited for off the ball play.

Not really comparable bc Kyle's 6'9 with really elite length and has gotten stronger. He can get contact and finish with his length .... I don't know about him.. we shall see I guess.

Also he's one ugly mofo. Big fronhead aside I guess... nothing like Kyle lol. That's for those who were pinning him on me.:lol

[Kurik]

His weaknesses are pretty important aspects as a lead guard.


And his strengths are pretty important aspects as well.

[MaNu4Tres]

And his strengths are pretty important aspects as well.

For a lead guard in the NBA? Disagree.

[GSH]

He's was on track to be a rotation player before the injury tbh


James Anderson was never the same after that injury. Before that, he was looking like a real draft bargain. Not a star, but like you say he was on track to get rotation minutes. Would have been life-changing for that young man, and I always felt sorry for how things turned on him.

But he's another example of the Spurs making a good late pick. The fact that it didn't pan out doesn't change the fact that it was a good pick.

[raybies]

James Anderson was never the same after that injury. Before that, he was looking like a real draft bargain. Not a star, but like you say he was on track to get rotation minutes. Would have been life-changing for that young man, and I always felt sorry for how things turned on him.

But he's another example of the Spurs making a good late pick. The fact that it didn't pan out doesn't change the fact that it was a good pick.
Yeah and if I remember correctly that was a very weak draft as far as depth goes.

[palangi]

Oh my, the alien invasion is real.

I bet you're an ugly mother fucked too.

[palangi]

For a lead guard in the NBA? Disagree.

I disagree with your disagree

[Mikeanaro]

I bet you're an ugly mother fucked too.
Not really, did I hit a nerve on you or something?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KhfiXZ1ktus/Ulq4HkkZtdI/AAAAAAAAaP4/OjxKY6iW6fU/s1600/Drac.png

[jehawk81]

I'm not sure how well that kind of shot blocking can translate to the NBA level. His wingspan is quite a bit shorter compared to Danny Green, 6-7 1/2 vs. 6-10.

I just noticed that.. we're used to seeing Kawhi's & DG's looooong arms disrupting all kinds of players out in the perimeter, but in the highlights his arms do seem rather short (compared to KL & DG's). Not sure I'm liking this

[Ice009]

That instinct and timing is god given... paired with a great standing vertical, and his technique polished by the Spurs defensive system, seems like his shot blocking will carry over. Intelligence also helps on both sides of the ball. And he has also shown fron his career path, to be someone who overcomes odds, and will give everything he has to succeed. That sort of attitude is contagious and needed for championship teams.

I think Murray needs to be surrounded by those sorts of energies or he could easily get waylaid fron his promise.

I'm not sure, but also a part of Danny Green being jettisoned has been his inconsistent work ethic. I know where he gets his haircut, and that barber shop also has a lot questionable going ons about it.

This pick shows many layers, and gives interesting insight.

I agree with his work ethic as a possible reason, but can you elaborate on the "questionable going on" at the barber shop that he hangs out in?

[Nathan89]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400915646

:lmao Wanting Shitbell over White.

Derrick White leading his team to defeat #10 Oregon. Much better stats than Shitbell tbh.

[ceperez]

I like Danny Green's defense even though he's a very limited player in so many other aspects.

He may have questionable work ethic, but clearly better work ethic than LaMarcus. The problem is that these two players are the next oldest players in the team and you have to expect that they show some level of leadership. Green is 30 and Aldridge is 31.

Everyone else is younger, Mills is 28, Simmons 27, Leonard 25 and gets younger with Bertans, Murray, Forbes and now White.

The old guys with work ethic, like Manu and Parker are likely not going to be playing.

Gasol is a slacker and isn't working harder at his age.

So really, Spurs have a big problem with Green and Aldridge being slackers.

[r0drig0lac]

Oh my, the alien invasion is real.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[Mr. Body]

I'm a believer. Not saying he'll pan out, but he's far craftier than most of the guys in this draft. The NBA is sliding into a shithole drafting all these freshman prospects that are 2-4 years away from knowing how to play. The NBA schedule doesn't allow teaching the craft of the game and most of these guys are just going to be shit. High ceiling for most of them is Marvin Williams. And then the second half of the draft was full of freshman big men.

If White was two or three years younger he'd be at least a lottery pick. Four years younger, top five.

I know that's a big jump, but GM's now are looking at 'guys who will improve', the upside thing. But what if that player is already at 23 what you hope the guy you're drafting at 20 will become?

[Yuixafun]

Lol nothing sinisiter, just you know, if you need some party favirs you can find it there out the back etc...

[palangi]

Not really, did I hit a nerve on you or something?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KhfiXZ1ktus/Ulq4HkkZtdI/AAAAAAAAaP4/OjxKY6iW6fU/s1600/Drac.png

Nah, I just find it funny you making fun of someone look on the Internet while hiding behind your computer.

[tbdog]

I like Danny Green's defense even though he's a very limited player in so many other aspects.

He may have questionable work ethic, but clearly better work ethic than LaMarcus. The problem is that these two players are the next oldest players in the team and you have to expect that they show some level of leadership. Green is 30 and Aldridge is 31.

Everyone else is younger, Mills is 28, Simmons 27, Leonard 25 and gets younger with Bertans, Murray, Forbes and now White.

The old guys with work ethic, like Manu and Parker are likely not going to be playing.

Gasol is a slacker and isn't working harder at his age.

So really, Spurs have a big problem with Green and Aldridge being slackers.

Pau has stayed in shape for better than LMA has. Including last year.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC-TIaFXUAAtwwl.jpg

https://twitter.com/VNdsgn/status/878082250834882560/photo/1

[ace3g]

878625558187433984

[CGD]

Kinda reminds me of a young Courtney Lee

[dbestpro]

The negative posts remind me of how everyone felt when we drafted George Hill. Almost identical. I expect he will become the starting SG in a few years unless if Simmons somehow sticks around.. Green's days are numbered. Green will not be dumped, but will be a sweetener to close a deal.

[Mikeanaro]

Nah, I just find it funny you making fun of someone look on the Internet while hiding behind your computer.
Is not what ST is for?

[rastaspur]

Is not what ST is for?

I think it is set forth somewhere in the bylaws.

[palangi]

Is not what ST is for?

Sure if you're an ugly mother fucker yourself

[Mikeanaro]

Sure if you're an ugly mother fucker yourself
Not necessarily, and that duo is ugly as fuck maybe you feel related to them who knows, I think they should be the ¨Galactic Brothers¨
One more of them next season and this is Ridley Scott material, it could be YOU!

[SPURt]

I have a feeling this has been posted somewhere in one of these threads but this is a pretty good read:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/For-Spurs-White-the-fairy-tale-is-just-11244692.php

[palangi]

Not necessarily, and that duo is ugly as fuck maybe you feel related to them who knows, I think they should be the ¨Galactic Brothers¨
One more of them next season and this is Ridley Scott material, it could be YOU!

Ugly guy on the Internet always worried about others looks.

[SAGirl]

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[Mikeanaro]

Ugly guy on the Internet always worried about others looks.
I defend my people, and you defend your kind, get the fuck out of our planet you have no business here.

[palangi]

I defend my people, and you defend your kind, get the fuck out of our planet you have no business here.

You are officially butthurt. Ha ha. You can dish but can't take it.

[Mikeanaro]

You are officially butthurt. Ha ha. You can dish but can't take it.
Why Im butthurted? You are the feminazi here, Kyle is ugly, this new kid is ugly and I bet my ass you are ugly as fuck thats why you want to punish me and I wont be able to change your looks or the other guys looks.
Everybody has been making jokes on Fathead but this was enough right?
I smell a demorat, and a very lame interweb police agent.
That kind of ChumpDumper gay cry doesnt work on me, sorry.

[palangi]

Why Im butthurted? You are the feminazi here, Kyle is ugly, this new kid is ugly and I bet my ass you are ugly as fuck thats why you want to punish me and I wont be able to change your looks or the other guys looks.
Everybody has been making jokes on Fathead but this was enough right?
I smell a demorat, and a very lame interweb police agent.
That kind of ChumpDumper gay cry doesnt work on me, sorry.

Can dish it but can't take it. Simpleton

[Mikeanaro]

Can dish it but can't take it. Simpleton
This proves you are an ugly mofo that got hit on a nerve.
There is nothing to take ChumpDump.

[palangi]

This proves you are an ugly mofo that got hit on a nerve.
There is nothing to take ChumpDump.

Internet guy rating other guys looks. .......hmmmmmm?

Pillow biter!

[Mikeanaro]

Internet guy rating other guys looks. .......hmmmmmm?

Pillow biter!
This says more about you than me, a guy that defends grown up men with tooth & nails is something fishy.
A typical ST comment makes you go bitch crazy like that? I dont event want to think what your personal may be, even classy posters make that kind of funny comments, BillMC once said Vince Carter has an ugly face, and he is as classy as they come, have you anything to say about that?
Maybe you should go to reddit or pound the cock and have fun with the other banana polishers.

[Ice009]

878110219309592576
878093857883398144

Great. So he can't play two guard against a regular 2 guard. Fucking RC and his friend's recommendations really don't help the Spurs that much.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Great. So he can't play two guard against a regular 2 guard. Fucking RC and his friend's recommendations really don't help the Spurs that much.

Hopefully he can play decently against regular point guards like Markelle Fultz.

[duncan2150]

Another take from the combine :

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/
DERRICK WHITE, SENIOR, POINT GUARD, COLORADO -

9 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 2 blocks, 3-5 2P, 1-3 3P, 26 minutes

Derrick White wrapped up a strong NBA Combine showing with a solid second game, particularly in an extended first half stretch in which he proved to be arguably the most talented guard prospect competing in the five on five portion of the event. White didn't post gaudy stats, but nevertheless impressed mightily with his outstanding combination of size, footwork, creativity and court vision, which allowed him to control the tempo of the game. White was particularly effective in the open floor, where he has an extra gear he can get to in conjunction with his natural ability to change speeds and keep defenders on their heels. He does a great job of using his body to create space and see over the top of the defense, and has excellent timing on his passes, which gets his teammates plenty of easy baskets. The fact that White can hit both pull-up and spot-up jumpers, with range out to the 3-point line, as well as finish with soft touch on his floaters layups, gives him a pretty complete arsenal of offensive skills for a 6'4 guard. He made some highlight plays on defense, finishing the Combine with four blocks in two games, but wasn't quite as effective on that end of the floor. White still lacks a degree of strength, toughness and urgency at times, as he was scored on a few times by bigger guards and wings like Tyler Dorsey (in the first game) and Dillon Brooks in the second. He's likely best suited defending point guards for that reason, and seemed to get lost in the shuffle a bit in the second half when asked to operate off the ball offensively as well. All in all, White is in the midst of a very strong pre-draft process, demonstrating his talent quite vividly at both the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament and the NBA Combine, and is in turn likely to start getting some looks at the end of the first round. -

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[turkish spurs fan]

next kevin martin ?

[kobyz]

Dion waiters type?

[raybies]

Much more complete than either

[Nathan89]

Kevin Martin has to the worst and most random player comp.:lol

[duncan2k5]

I love the pick if he is a PG...hate it if he is a SG...

He would be a great backup for Murray

[dbestpro]

I love the pick if he is a PG...hate it if he is a SG...

He would be a great backup for Murray

He is here to be a SG that will learn to play better defense. He will only plat PG as a last resort.

[palangi]

He is here to be a SG that will learn to play better defense. He will only plat PG as a last resort.

Did pop say that? Or is it opinion?

[SAGirl]

Another take from the combine :

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/
DERRICK WHITE, SENIOR, POINT GUARD, COLORADO -

9 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 2 blocks, 3-5 2P, 1-3 3P, 26 minutes

Derrick White wrapped up a strong NBA Combine showing with a solid second game, particularly in an extended first half stretch in which he proved to be arguably the most talented guard prospect competing in the five on five portion of the event. White didn't post gaudy stats, but nevertheless impressed mightily with his outstanding combination of size, footwork, creativity and court vision, which allowed him to control the tempo of the game. White was particularly effective in the open floor, where he has an extra gear he can get to in conjunction with his natural ability to change speeds and keep defenders on their heels. He does a great job of using his body to create space and see over the top of the defense, and has excellent timing on his passes, which gets his teammates plenty of easy baskets. The fact that White can hit both pull-up and spot-up jumpers, with range out to the 3-point line, as well as finish with soft touch on his floaters layups, gives him a pretty complete arsenal of offensive skills for a 6'4 guard. He made some highlight plays on defense, finishing the Combine with four blocks in two games, but wasn't quite as effective on that end of the floor. White still lacks a degree of strength, toughness and urgency at times, as he was scored on a few times by bigger guards and wings like Tyler Dorsey (in the first game) and Dillon Brooks in the second. He's likely best suited defending point guards for that reason, and seemed to get lost in the shuffle a bit in the second half when asked to operate off the ball offensively as well. All in all, White is in the midst of a very strong pre-draft process, demonstrating his talent quite vividly at both the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament and the NBA Combine, and is in turn likely to start getting some looks at the end of the first round. -
Thanks for sharing.
He's probably going to have to learn to play off the ball, bc that is the Spurs, outside of Kiwi no one is going to be exclusively ball dominant (not even Dijon, who needs to work on his shooting too). Anyways, I see a rookie season with a lot of learning. Really excited about him, although I don't expect much right away bc rookie/development, etc.

[SAGirl]

Dion waiters type?

Dion is a very strong and athletic guard. I don't see the comparison.

[MaNu4Tres]

Dion is a very strong and athletic guard. I don't see the comparison.

Greivis Vasquez is a pretty good comparison style and skillset wise, but White would have a ways to go to get there.

My problem with the pick is the PG position is the most saturated position across the league. If you need a back up serviceable PG, you can find one any off-season from multiple avenues. Especially one with a limited ceiling (like White). Murray I can understand because he has a rare skillset and has the tools that give him an All Star ceiling. I hate how they wasted the 29th pick on a PG that doesn't have the motor or athleticism to give him the type of ceiling you typically want with the 1st round pick.

Serviceable back up point guards are the easiest thing to find these days and Spurs just wasted their 1st on one that just has a ceiling of that. One may argue that he can shoot -- which he can, but even shooting is becoming saturated and not difficult to find. Plus, the already have Forbes. For those reasons, I'm disappointed with the pick. I wish they drafted a big or a wing with the pick. I personally think Frank Jackson was a better pick if they went point guard, and I also would have drafted Josh Hart, Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden, or Sterling Brown over White.

[TimDunkem]

^Agreed 100%.

White could be good. He might even turn out great, but there were other prospects the Spurs could've went after that you could easily argue have more potential, and/or are better right now that would've filled more pressing needs.

I'm rooting for White. I really hate the pick though.

[MaNu4Tres]

The negative posts remind me of how everyone felt when we drafted George Hill. Almost identical. I expect he will become the starting SG in a few years unless if Simmons somehow sticks around.. Green's days are numbered. Green will not be dumped, but will be a sweetener to close a deal.

He doesn't have the athleticism or size to be a good enough defender in the NBA at the SG position.He'll never be a starter, unless Spurs have another 1996-1997 type season.

There's a reason Roger Mason didn't last long in the league after teams started realizing how detrimental it is to start short defensive liabilities on the wing.

[picnroll]

Frank Mason's ceiling as a PG is Antonio Daniels.

[TimDunkem]

Really hope this wasn't like the CJ pick where he was only chosen because of relationships within the organization because all I keep hearing is that White's coach's recommendation was the biggest factor. :rolleyes

In Tad we trust, I guess?

[TimDunkem]

Frank Mason ceiling as a PG is Antonio Daniels.
Wouldn't have taken Mason myself but that's a shitty comparison, tbh. Bad take.

[picnroll]

Wouldn't have taken Mason myself but that's a shitty comparison, tbh. Bad take.
Really. Why? Please expand.

[TimDunkem]

They're not similar at all, for one. :lol Are you talking about career trajectory or ball skills? If it's the latter, you're way off.

[TimDunkem]

Tbh, White has more similarities to Daniels than Mason does.

Now the pick makes sense... :lmao

[picnroll]

They're not similar at all, for one. :lol Are you talking about career trajectory or ball skills? If it's the latter, you're way off.
Still waiting for a some specifics. Since you won't/can't give specifics I'll give some actual opinion not just PA shade. Both lack/lacked PG vision or passing skills. Both are/were athletic drive to the rim combo guards lacking adequate PG skills to pull off the PG half of the equation and too small for the SG part. Mason will be in and out of the league a few times then out imo

[tonight...you]

Tbh, White has more similarities to Daniels than Mason does.

Now the pick makes sense... :lmao
Nah... I watched AD and this guy. They don't play, or move alike.

[picnroll]

Nah... I watched AD and this guy. They don't play, or move alike.
White is the anti-Daniels. No idea where that comparison came from. Deep, deep left field, at the fence.

[TimDunkem]

Still waiting for a some specifics. Since you won't/can't give specifics I'll give some actual opinion not just PA shade. Both lack/lacked PG vision or passing skills. Both are/were athletic drive to the rim combo guards lacking adequate PG skills to pull off the PG half of the equationand too small for the SG part.
Lmao "Wont/Can't"... Didn't think I would need to describe the differences between an apple and orange to you. Then again, you also think LeBron to LA is a possibility. :lol

First of all, they're completely different physically; Daniels being bigger, stronger, while Mason is undersized yet has elite quickness. Second, Mason is a far better shooter and scorer than Daniels ever was, whereas Daniels was certainly a superior defender. Third, you're right about Daniels preferring to get to the rim. That's because Mason loves pulling up in transition or spotting up beyond the arc.

Now, is that enough or should I expect you to be a pedantic ass and start debating minute similarities? :rolleyes

[TimDunkem]

White is the anti-Daniels. No idea where that comparison came from. Deep, deep left field, at the fence.
Didn't claim they were spot on comparisons. All I said was the similarities are closer than Mason and Daniels. Especially physically.

Nice to know your reading comprehension is just as shit as your player analysis. :lol

[picnroll]

Seriously, did you really ever see Daniels play?

Why do you think a rookie PG name Parker, who could pretty much only dribble the ball up the court and pass off to Duncan, beat Daniels out of the starting PG spot 5 games into his NBA career?

[objective]

I've now watched all of the full games on YouTube I could find, though I did drift in and out of sleep during the second half of two of them. I've also watched I think what must be everything else there is, like every game highlight package from the official Colorado U channel.

I feel a little better about him for 2 reasons:

He really is a good enough shooter that Mills should be gone, and I like that. He can really deliver consistently on threes of every type. Off the dribble, dribble into pull-up, off screens, spot up, he has the size and shot to make it. I worry his lean back form might not work so well against NBA length, but it is what it is.

But if Mills is brought back then I don't see what the point was. I guess I'm more anti Mills returning than pro White.

Second, I am more hopeful about his body developing, even at his age, than has happened with Anderson. Anderson has a Mr. Burns body, and while he got a little more sturdy, he still remained embarrassingly slow which has hurt his NBA game. I always was annoyed with the Diaw comparisons; Diaw was an NBA athlete who played with pace, Anderson is a slow guy who plays slow.

Looking at White's frame, I can imagine a scenario where a lot of work on his body can result in a more useful top speed and better burst. Not by a lot, but years of training in the lamest gyms on d-ii campuses and the struggle of transferring and competing at a higher level I think leave him open to useful and meaningful improvement. He doesn't have a Mr. Burns body.

I'm still skeptical of much if his non shooting game translating, I saw a lot of problems at the rim despite the numbers, lazy turnovers even in crunch time, difficulty getting a step on college level players without a screen ...

Strength should help with a lot of that.

Still, the very obvious front court needs are getting even more glaring.

[TimDunkem]

What the hell does Tony clearly being better than that scrub Daniels have to do with Mason being a completely different player from Antonio Daniels in just about every way?

[TimDunkem]

Silly thing to argue about anyway. There were faaaar better comparisons you could've made to Mason.

[MaNu4Tres]

I've now watched all of the full games on YouTube I could find, though I did drift in and out of sleep during the second half of two of them. I've also watched I think what must be everything else there is, like every game highlight package from the official Colorado U channel.

I feel a little better about him for 2 reasons:

He really is a good enough shooter that Mills should be gone, and I like that. He can really deliver consistently on threes of every type. Off the dribble, dribble into pull-up, off screens, spot up, he has the size and shot to make it. I worry his lean back form might not work so well against NBA length, but it is what it is.

But if Mills is brought back then I don't see what the point was. I guess I'm more anti Mills returning than pro White.

Second, I am more hopeful about his body developing, even at his age, than has happened with Anderson. Anderson has a Mr. Burns body, and while he got a little more sturdy, he still remained embarrassingly slow which has hurt his NBA game. I always was annoyed with the Diaw comparisons; Diaw was an NBA athlete who played with pace, Anderson is a slow guy who plays slow.

Looking at White's frame, I can imagine a scenario where a lot of work on his body can result in a more useful top speed and better burst. Not by a lot, but years of training in the lamest gyms on d-ii campuses and the struggle of transferring and competing at a higher level I think leave him open to useful and meaningful improvement. He doesn't have a Mr. Burns body.

I'm still skeptical of much if his non shooting game translating, I saw a lot of problems at the rim despite the numbers, lazy turnovers even in crunch time, difficulty getting a step on college level players without a screen ...

Strength should help with a lot of that.

Still, the very obvious front court needs are getting even more glaring.

With the recent variables that got thrown into the equation with LA finally going to Stephen A to cry about how Pop made him worse, I imagine SA will target front court help this free agency period. Ibaka, Pat Patterson, Terrence Jones and D-Mo are names to watch. If they can get Ibaka to commit, I think LA is dumped to PHX for Chriss or MIA's 1st in 18 .. or maybe PHX has enough leverage in deal to get LA for free.

[TimDunkem]

I'd love Ibaka on this team. Wouldn't mind taking a flyer on TJ either if he comes cheap.

[tonight...you]

Didn't claim they were spot on comparisons. All I said was the similarities are closer than Mason and Daniels. Especially physically.

Nice to know your reading comprehension is just as shit as your player analysis. :lol
No... I'm starting to question yours.

[tonight...you]

Silly thing to argue about anyway. There were faaaar better comparisons you could've made to Mason.
Ah... you were talking about Mason. NVM, bud. Me thoopid.

[TimDunkem]

If you think Mason's best comparison is Antonio Daniels, you need your damn head checked.

[TimDunkem]

Ah... you were talking about Mason. NVM, bud. Me thoopid.
:smokin

[Nathan89]

Absolutely do not want a non dribbler like Ibaka on the team.

[MaNu4Tres]

Absolutely do not want a non dribbler like Ibaka on the team.

Never thought centers need to be dribblers.

[picnroll]

If you think Mason's best comparison is Antonio Daniels, you need your damn head checked.

Never mind. My apologies. I was responding to a post by MaNu4Tres saying that he preferred Frank Jackson to White as PG and confused Jackson with Mason . Mason is nothing like Jackson. He is a true PG, little like White though. Jackson is the combo guard with piss poor PG skills akin to Daniels I type when I should have typed.

[objective]

With the recent variables that got thrown into the equation with LA finally going to Stephen A to cry about how Pop made him worse, I imagine SA will target front court help this free agency period. Ibaka, Pat Patterson, Terrence Jones and D-Mo are names to watch. If they can get Ibaka to commit, I think LA is dumped to PHX for Chriss or MIA's 1st in 18 .. or maybe PHX has enough leverage in deal to get LA for free.

Jones, montiejunas are minimum garbage, with or without LMA. Jones couldn't even finish the year on a roster. I think they could be had even if LMA stays, like if Lee leaves they just take that minimum role.

Patterson might be trash as well, he played poorly for the raptors last year. I don't think I'd want him. He's like an MLE player getting ready to fade.

Ibaka is okay, a real ballhog though, he'll shoot instead of moving the ball way too often. I doubt he's any cheaper than LMA.

I'd wonder about a Brook Lopez for Aldridge straight up deal, and maybe a way to get Thaddeus Young.

[TimDunkem]

Never thought centers need to be dribblers.
:lmao No shit.

[TimDunkem]

Never mind. My apologies. I was responding to a post by MaNu4Tres saying that he preferred Frank Jackson to White as PG and confused Jackson with Mason . Mason is nothing like Jackson. He is a true PG, nothining like White. Jackson is the combo guard with piss poor PG skills akin to Daniels I type when I should have typed Jackson.No worries, buddy. :bobo
I take back the shade I threw as well. :lol

[keithington1]

Smarter more athletic Belinelli

[TimDunkem]

Jones, montiejunas are minimum garbage, with or without LMA. Jones couldn't even finish the year on a roster. I think they could be had even if LMA stays, like if Lee leaves they just take that minimum role.

Patterson might be trash as well, he played poorly for the raptors last year. I don't think I'd want him. He's like an MLE player getting ready to fade.

Ibaka is okay, a real ballhog though, he'll shoot instead of moving the ball way too often. I doubt he's any cheaper than LMA.

I'd wonder about a Brook Lopez for Aldridge straight up deal, and maybe a way to get Thaddeus Young.
All of those players probably perform better as a Spur, imo. They're better than Aldridge who doesn't want to be here. Not from a skills pov, but certainly from a chemistry pov.

I also like Ibaka. He has his flaws like anyone else, but he's become the perfect 4/5 in today's NBA. Shoots, defends, can switch, is athletic. I wouldn't mind him at all.

Thaddeus, admittedly, would be intriguing. Especially since his shot has seemingly started to come around finally.

[Nathan89]

Never thought centers need to be dribblers.

Didn't realize we were changing Ibaka position.

[TimDunkem]

Ibaka can play the five.

[MaNu4Tres]

Jones, montiejunas are minimum garbage, with or without LMA. Jones couldn't even finish the year on a roster. I think they could be had even if LMA stays, like if Lee leaves they just take that minimum role.

Patterson might be trash as well, he played poorly for the raptors last year. I don't think I'd want him. He's like an MLE player getting ready to fade.

Ibaka is okay, a real ballhog though, he'll shoot instead of moving the ball way too often. I doubt he's any cheaper than LMA.

I'd wonder about a Brook Lopez for Aldridge straight up deal, and maybe a way to get Thaddeus Young.

IMO Jones and Dmo are worth a small gamble ( like Dedmon was). I'm not saying they should be prioritized. Same w/ Patterson.

Spurs don't have much options to replace LA. Ibaka is probably the best they can realistically do. If SA is trading LA for salary ( player(s), the team he's going to isn't going to give up something better than LA.

One other option if SA whiffs in FA is to trade LA to POR for Ezeli, Harkless and pick.

[MaNu4Tres]

Didn't realize we were changing Ibaka position.

Watch more basketball lol.

[Nathan89]

Watch more basketball lol.

So I can fall in love with Jordan Bell?

Ibaka would be a waste of money regardless of the position he plays for the Spurs. We need more playmaking. Not an overpaid big that relies on others. Worse is he has no skills to take advantage of a switching defense. A terrible addition to the Spurs.

[100%duncan]

Why is everybody assuming he's going to play PG? He's 6'5 with a long wingspan, good shooter, not that good of a playmaker, good defender, everything points to a 3&D SG.

[objective]

IMO Jones and Dmo are worth a small gamble ( like Dedmon was). I'm not saying they should be prioritized. Same w/ Patterson.

Spurs don't have much options to replace LA. Ibaka is probably the best they can realistically do. If SA is trading LA for salary ( player(s), the team he's going to isn't going to give up something better than LA.

One other option if SA whiffs in FA is to trade LA to POR for Ezeli, Harkless and pick.

I doubt Portland wants him back, they had a few front office people talk on background about how they​ were relieved in a way when LMA left and they didn't have to baby him and put up with his crap anymore. They probably enjoy seeing him unhappy.

[SAGirl]

Greivis Vasquez is a pretty good comparison style and skillset wise, but White would have a ways to go to get there.

My problem with the pick is the PG position is the most saturated position across the league. If you need a back up serviceable PG, you can find one any off-season from multiple avenues. Especially one with a limited ceiling (like White). Murray I can understand because he has a rare skillset and has the tools that give him an All Star ceiling. I hate how they wasted the 29th pick on a PG that doesn't have the motor or athleticism to give him the type of ceiling you typically want with the 1st round pick.

Serviceable back up point guards are the easiest thing to find these days and Spurs just wasted their 1st on one that just has a ceiling of that. One may argue that he can shoot -- which he can, but even shooting is becoming saturated and not difficult to find. Plus, the already have Forbes. For those reasons, I'm disappointed with the pick. I wish they drafted a big or a wing with the pick. I personally think Frank Jackson was a better pick if they went point guard, and I also would have drafted Josh Hart, Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden, or Sterling Brown over White.
... fact of the matter is everyone who was interested in this draft in this board had looked at a variety of bigs, from you, Chinook raybies objective etc. I expected a stash ... foolish of me bc Spurs almost trade LMA and tried to get in the lottery... but anyways since I didn't expect anybody I am glad at least they didn't stash and at least got someone who bc of his shooting and versatility offensively looks like he may help fill that Mills role better than Mills would do it without Ginobili since Mills is so unidimensional. That's important for the future.... maybe even for next season already.

I like Forbes as much as anyone who still hopes for him. I think with chemistry with others and as he learns to spring himself free for a shot his shooting hopefully trends up. But so far he's been a project and he really needs to shoot better to stick in the league. Of anyone in the team right now, he's the biggest question mark.. He's not any more athletic than this rookie and this guy looks more versatile. But truly I don't know. I doubt summer league even tells me much...

Anyways, I think it's very likely Danny is gone... Mills is gone, Tony is injured + doubtful when he does return, hanga can't shoot, blossomgame can't shoot, Simmons frankly is a dynamic player but shooting is a notable weakness, etc. Considering the state of their guards I understand it. They are in a kind of dire situation with guard scoring... does he give you a vibe like he could replace Marco's scoring? Bc him is who I thought of.

But they also need a lot more athletic bigs than they have, specially with Gasol?! I see your points. I am hoping Bell washes out lol.. not bc if you but bc of tricking GSW. I am hoping that foot injury, or whatever it was, doesn't help much his career... I know the hip injuries have stunted growth for their pick from UCLA I forgot his name....

Aside from this, you also had good points going back to last season about Spurs preferably needing to go with a more versatile and younger group, develop, etc... I would have preferred the Spurs to start this path of retooling and going younger sooner too. It's like they waited for Kawhis prime to arise and everyone else around him to fall apart physically b4 going younger... they weren't that proactive. I thought soon as TD retires they would go for a retooling/rebuilding, which should have been last season and now they are forced into it by LMA drama, Tony injury and Manu possible retirement. (Many guys here argued for that too).

At this point I am hoping they aim to fix the bigs situation through a trade or FA... which would explain all these young guards. Maybe CP3 is a misdirection and they are trying to add a different player or once LMA decided to quit in the team they had to set different priorities.

[SAGirl]

Seriously, did you really ever see Daniels play?

Why do you think a rookie PG name Parker, who could pretty much only dribble the ball up the court and pass off to Duncan, beat Daniels out of the starting PG spot 5 games into his NBA career?
Why?
Legit question...long b4 my time.

[SPURt]

Larry Bird was a 23 yr old rookie, where do y'all think he'd of gone in this draft coming out as a 23 yr old rookie?

Note, Larry Bird is an all time great and in no way am I comparing White to Bird. I'm trying to see how much age matters with an all time great in these youth obsessed drafts.

[picnroll]

I've now watched all of the full games on YouTube I could find, though I did drift in and out of sleep during the second half of two of them. I've also watched I think what must be everything else there is, like every game highlight package from the official Colorado U channel.

I feel a little better about him for 2 reasons:

He really is a good enough shooter that Mills should be gone, and I like that. He can really deliver consistently on threes of every type. Off the dribble, dribble into pull-up, off screens, spot up, he has the size and shot to make it. I worry his lean back form might not work so well against NBA length, but it is what it is.

But if Mills is brought back then I don't see what the point was. I guess I'm more anti Mills returning than pro White.

Second, I am more hopeful about his body developing, even at his age, than has happened with Anderson. Anderson has a Mr. Burns body, and while he got a little more sturdy, he still remained embarrassingly slow which has hurt his NBA game. I always was annoyed with the Diaw comparisons; Diaw was an NBA athlete who played with pace, Anderson is a slow guy who plays slow.

Looking at White's frame, I can imagine a scenario where a lot of work on his body can result in a more useful top speed and better burst. Not by a lot, but years of training in the lamest gyms on d-ii campuses and the struggle of transferring and competing at a higher level I think leave him open to useful and meaningful improvement. He doesn't have a Mr. Burns body.

I'm still skeptical of much if his non shooting game translating, I saw a lot of problems at the rim despite the numbers, lazy turnovers even in crunch time, difficulty getting a step on college level players without a screen ...

Strength should help with a lot of that.

Still, the very obvious front court needs are getting even more glaring.
One additional above average skill I think he has for his position is passing. Better that our current PG/SGs including at this point Murray who is still too wild, turnover prone. I think the Spurs will him an adequate defender, certainly better than Mills or Parker. He has good defensive instincts for positioning.

[TimDunkem]

Looks like he might not have even been SA's preferred choice.

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[BackHome]

Man from the high getting drafted to the Lakers to the low they trading your ass to Utah. Lol

[TimDunkem]

Watch Bradley develop into one of the league's best young centers now. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Looks like he might not have even been SA's preferred choice.

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Thats probably why it took San Antonio a while to get the pick in. Plus in the post draft interview, RC didnt convey excitement as he usually does when SA gets the guy they wanted.

[SAGirl]

Watch Bradley develop into one of the league's best young centers now. :lol

I thought Jazz pulling another Rudy Gobert move on the Spurs...

WEren't years ago the Spurs rumored to want to draft BAtum and him going just a couple of spots earlier to Portland.... seems like Spurs historically have not been willing to pay/or do a small trade to move a couple of spots up for a guy they like...

(except with Kiwi and that was not a small trade.. of the nature this one would have been)...

[Snaq O'Meal]

I thought Jazz pulling another Rudy Gobert move on the Spurs...

WEren't years ago the Spurs rumored to want to draft BAtum and him going just a couple of spots earlier to Portland.... seems like Spurs historically have not been willing to pay/or do a small trade to move a couple of spots up for a guy they like...

(except with Kiwi and that was not a small trade.. of the nature this one would have been)...

Back in the 2011 draft, Klay was the guy the Spurs wanted. Instead, they settled for Kawhi after the Warriors selected Klay. Turned out to be a lucky move after all.

Historically, PATFO have not been really proactive in getting guys from the draft. They usually sit pat and pick whoever is available. And when the good undrafted guys have been signed, they'll start looking at the scraps that are left.

[palangi]

Looks like he might not have even been SA's preferred choice.

879439471711633409

Thank you Jazz. I don't like that kids game at all. Very poor in pic n roll defense. Slow feet and no lift

[objective]

For a guy with oodles of length he blocked the same # of shots per 40 as White

There's things to like about his game, good passing, plays within himself, great offensive rebounding ...

But I'm not that stressed about a guy whose minutes are hard capped by a great, young center for the rest of his career